Stus-List Re: Galley sink drain C 30 Mk1

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

On my 30 MK I (hull #79, 1972), the galley sink drain Ys into the starboard 
cockpit drain, but upstream from the seacock (which is actually a gate valve - 
bad, I know).  The Y is high enough that I don’t think it’s below waterline.

I’ll want to redo the drain someday because the seal from the sink to the pipe 
drips a bit.  But given how little I use the galley sink - mostly to catch 
empty beer cans thrown below from the cockpit - it’s not an urgent high 
priority project for me.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Feb 8, 2024, at 3:38 PM, Alexander Netherton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello All 
> I have a C 30 Mk 1, a fine old boat that has a history of different owners. 
>  Recently, we had a very cold snap with temperatures hitting the – 12to – 16 
> range. A good stress test for the boat’s plumbing for sure.  To make a long 
> story short, I need to know how the galley sink drainage ought to be 
> configured on this boat.  You can read more for detail, or simply respond.  
> All information will be appreciated.
> 
> ….  In the aftermath of the cold snap, I found that there was some seepage 
> from the galley sink.  And there I found an odd configuration. The 1.5-inch 
> drain was stepped down to a 1-inch diameter hose that ran into the drainage 
> for the cockpit.  There a Y fitting was screwed into the seacock (a 1.5-inch 
> diameter) that allowed the 1-inch drainage from the sink to drain into that 
> seacock.  The lip onto which the 1-inch sink drain line attached itself was 
> pitifully short—about 1 inch, and below the water line. Not very safe and a 
> configuration that can not fully drain the sink. 
> 
> 
> 
> The upshot is that I have to change the galley sink drainage system. The C 
> 30 Mk 1 owners manual gives no details on this—but it does show that the 
> cockpit and galley sink drainage are separate systems.  The local chandlery 
> folk advise me to install a new  drainage thru-hull (with a gate valve) 
> between the bottom of the sink and the waterline, to ensure that it drains 
> properly.   But this is a wide margin leaving me without a precise idea of 
> where to put the thru-hull. And I am not sure whether I need an elbow under 
> the sink--or how that ought to be configured.
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me how the gally sink drainage was handled by C at the 
> outset. Are there any specs or design principles that I could use to help me 
> pinpoint these positions or design the new system? 
> 
> Your help will be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,  Alex Netherton
> 
> Dulcibella, Nanaimo BC
> 
>   
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Stus-List Re: Galley sink drain C 30 Mk1

[Matthew Wolford via CnC-List]

The sink drain in my galley (C 42 Custom) discharges through a thru-hull 
directly below the sink.  The sink in the head is configured the same way.  If 
I were to do it over, I might offset the thru-hulls a bit so the hoses wouldn’t 
interfere with storage as they do now.  

 

From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 7:16 AM
To: Alexander Netherton via CnC-List 
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Galley sink drain C 30 Mk1

 

Mine runs to a through hull just slightly right (looking into the locker) of 
directly below the sink.
The downside to this, is that it is in the way when accessing the dip stick for 
the 2QM engine and
the exhaust drain for winterizing.  I re-routed the down route a bit to give me 
more space.

I wouldn't really see an issue in routing to the cockpit drain, it is nearby 
and handy, and likely
resolves some of the access issues above.



Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2024-02-08 18:38, Alexander Netherton via CnC-List wrote:

Hello All  

I have a C 30 Mk 1, a fine old boat that has a history of different owners.  
Recently, we had a very cold snap with temperatures hitting the – 12to – 16 
range. A good stress test for the boat’s plumbing for sure.  To make a long 
story short, I need to know how the galley sink drainage ought to be configured 
on this boat.  You can read more for detail, or simply respond.  All 
information will be appreciated. 

….  In the aftermath of the cold snap, I found that there was some seepage from 
the galley sink.  And there I found an odd configuration. The 1.5-inch drain 
was stepped down to a 1-inch diameter hose that ran into the drainage for the 
cockpit.  There a Y fitting was screwed into the seacock (a 1.5-inch diameter) 
that allowed the 1-inch drainage from the sink to drain into that seacock.  The 
lip onto which the 1-inch sink drain line attached itself was pitifully 
short—about 1 inch, and below the water line. Not very safe and a configuration 
that can not fully drain the sink. 

 

The upshot is that I have to change the galley sink drainage system. The C 30 
Mk 1 owners manual gives no details on this—but it does show that the cockpit 
and galley sink drainage are separate systems.  The local chandlery folk advise 
me to install a new  drainage thru-hull (with a gate valve) between the bottom 
of the sink and the waterline, to ensure that it drains properly.   But this is 
a wide margin leaving me without a precise idea of where to put the thru-hull. 
And I am not sure whether I need an elbow under the sink--or how that ought to 
be configured.

 

Can anyone tell me how the gally sink drainage was handled by C at the 
outset. Are there any specs or design principles that I could use to help me 
pinpoint these positions or design the new system?  

Your help will be appreciated. 

 

Best,  Alex Netherton

Dulcibella, Nanaimo BC

  





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Stus-List Re: Galley sink drain C 30 Mk1

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

Mine runs to a through hull just slightly right (looking into the 
locker) of directly below the sink.
The downside to this, is that it is in the way when accessing the dip 
stick for the 2QM engine and
the exhaust drain for winterizing.  I re-routed the down route a bit to 
give me more space.


I wouldn't really see an issue in routing to the cockpit drain, it is 
nearby and handy, and likely

resolves some of the access issues above.

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2024-02-08 18:38, Alexander Netherton via CnC-List wrote:

Hello All

I have a C 30 Mk 1, a fine old boat that has a history of different 
owners.  Recently, we had a very cold snap with temperatures hitting 
the – 12to – 16 range. A good stress test for the boat’s plumbing for 
sure.  To make a long story short, I need to know how the galley sink 
drainage ought to be configured on this boat.  You can read more for 
detail, or simply respond.  All information will be appreciated.


….  In the aftermath of the cold snap, I found that there was some 
seepage from the galley sink.  And there I found an odd configuration. 
The 1.5-inch drain was stepped down to a 1-inch diameter hose that ran 
into the drainage for the cockpit. There a Y fitting was screwed into 
the seacock (a 1.5-inch diameter) that allowed the 1-inch drainage 
from the sink to drain into that seacock.  The lip onto which the 
1-inch sink drain line attached itself was pitifully short—about 1 
inch, and below the water line. Not very safe and a configuration that 
can not fully drain the sink.



The upshot is that I have to change the galley sink drainage system. 
The C 30 Mk 1 owners manual gives no details on this—but it does 
show that the cockpit and galley sink drainage are separate systems.  
The local chandlery folk advise me to install a new  drainage 
thru-hull (with a gate valve) between the bottom of the sink and the 
waterline, to ensure that it drains properly. But this is a wide 
margin leaving me without a precise idea of where to put the 
thru-hull. And I am not sure whether I need an elbow under the 
sink--or how that ought to be configured.



Can anyone tell me how the gally sink drainage was handled by C at 
the outset. Are there any specs or design principles that I could use 
to help me pinpoint these positions or design the new system?


Your help will be appreciated.


Best,  Alex Netherton

Dulcibella, Nanaimo BC


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Stus-List Re: Galley sink drain C 30 Mk1

[andrew_m--- via CnC-List]

Hi Neil,

Our (1974 C 30-1) sink and starboard cockpit rain was run exactly as you 
describe yours. 

While our boat was out last winter we had thru-hulls and seacocks replaced. The 
company doing that work informed me the shared arrangement would not pass 
survey and is no longer permitted by ABYC. So, we separated sink and cockpit 
drains and now have an additional thru-hull. 

Ours was installed without an elbow but with a slight sideways S bend to create 
a bit of a p-trap with drain running to a new thru-hull at the aft port side of 
the cabinet below the sink. This is better for storage in the cabinet but worse 
for accessing the seacock. Overall I’m very happy with the install, feeling 
slightly safer knowing that some very unlikely freak accident will not cause 
cockpit to drain into cabin via galley sink.

Happy to send a photo of new drain, seacock, thru-hull under galley counter 
next time I’m at the boat.

Andrew

1974 30mk1

Gulf Islands, BC
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Stus-List Re: Galley sink drain C 30 Mk1

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

My 35-1, probably the same time frame, has that same arrangement, galley 
sink drains to the starboard cockpit drain.  I have replaced the hoses 
and thru hull fittings but used the same arrangement 10 years ago, so 
far so good.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 2/8/2024 5:38 PM, Alexander Netherton via CnC-List wrote:

Hello All

I have a C 30 Mk 1, a fine old boat that has a history of different 
owners.  Recently, we had a very cold snap with temperatures hitting 
the – 12to – 16 range. A good stress test for the boat’s plumbing for 
sure.  To make a long story short, I need to know how the galley sink 
drainage ought to be configured on this boat.  You can read more for 
detail, or simply respond.  All information will be appreciated.


….  In the aftermath of the cold snap, I found that there was some 
seepage from the galley sink.  And there I found an odd configuration. 
The 1.5-inch drain was stepped down to a 1-inch diameter hose that ran 
into the drainage for the cockpit. There a Y fitting was screwed into 
the seacock (a 1.5-inch diameter) that allowed the 1-inch drainage 
from the sink to drain into that seacock.  The lip onto which the 
1-inch sink drain line attached itself was pitifully short—about 1 
inch, and below the water line. Not very safe and a configuration that 
can not fully drain the sink.



The upshot is that I have to change the galley sink drainage system. 
The C 30 Mk 1 owners manual gives no details on this—but it does 
show that the cockpit and galley sink drainage are separate systems.  
The local chandlery folk advise me to install a new  drainage 
thru-hull (with a gate valve) between the bottom of the sink and the 
waterline, to ensure that it drains properly. But this is a wide 
margin leaving me without a precise idea of where to put the 
thru-hull. And I am not sure whether I need an elbow under the 
sink--or how that ought to be configured.



Can anyone tell me how the gally sink drainage was handled by C at 
the outset. Are there any specs or design principles that I could use 
to help me pinpoint these positions or design the new system?


Your help will be appreciated.


Best,  Alex Netherton

Dulcibella, Nanaimo BC


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Stus-List Re: Parting out a C 41 in Dartmouth Nova Scotia

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Rod,  what happened to the 41?

Richard
1985 C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 08:30:11 PM EST, Rod via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
Hey Fellow C owners,

  

Parting out a 1984 C 41 in Dartmouth Nova Scotia.  Everything must go and 
will likely go quickly.  If interested contact Jeff at 902-499-9952 or email at 
jeffpritchar...@hotmail.com .  I owned one great boats, unfortunately this one 
has to go quickly.

  

Best of Luck.

  

Rod Stright

C 99 

Halifax, NS

  

  
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Stus-List Re: Parting out a C 41 in Dartmouth Nova Scotia

[Dan via CnC-List]

Hi Rod, I am in Dartmouth!
Hi Rod, how much for Stantion bases?
I may want a couple sections of toe rail if they are in good shape?

Dan
Breakaweigh
C




On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 9:15 PM Rod via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hey Fellow C owners,
>
>
>
> Parting out a 1984 C 41 in Dartmouth Nova Scotia.  Everything must go
> and will likely go quickly.  If interested contact Jeff at 902-499-9952 or
> email at jeffpritchar...@hotmail.com .  I owned one great boats,
> unfortunately this one has to go quickly.
>
>
>
> Best of Luck.
>
>
>
> Rod Stright
>
> C 99
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Parting out a C 41 in Dartmouth Nova Scotia

[Dean McNeill via CnC-List]

Those would be great JKC! I’d certainly be interested in a few.

Dean

> On Jan 4, 2024, at 9:14 PM, Rod via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I stay away from just slapping the C logo on anything.  I’m trying to 
> reproduce actual C promotional items
> 
> Here is the Rugby shirts I plan to reproduce
> 
> https://www.ghcarchives.com/the-chandlery?store-page=C%26C-Rugby-Shirt-p446047026
> 
> JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
> 
> www.ghcarchives.com
> www.candcyachts.com
> Motion Designs Limited
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Or foredeck cows if you have bee, on the list long enough

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From: David Risch via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 6:10:39 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C


Wow…mucho emails about winch servicing.   Almost as popular as what anchor is 
best?





From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:13 PM
To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease, 
pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.



Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease 
(from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as 
new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are careful not to 
lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the other is there for a 
guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to 
do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any 
special tools.



Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom



On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





Mike and others who have provided valuable input,



This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.



I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.



After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.



Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?



Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.



Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony

Ludington, MI





From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C



Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!



ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)



This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric winch 
can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one.  We 
always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  Secondly these 
were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has to be dropped 
from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, 
pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath to 
do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly.  When running 
the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more 
problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing).



In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set 
of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of the ease 
of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took away a LOT 
of unnecessary weight



Just a story I thought I would share



We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net<mailto:nausetbe...@optonline.net>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Some other thoughts: For w

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Another data point. We replaced the original winches with Lewmar 48ST 16
years ago, and they are barely up to the task in my aging hands. A 12"
winch handle would help a lot...

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 15:11, David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Wow…mucho emails about winch servicing.   Almost as popular as what anchor
> is best?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cenelson--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:13 PM
> *To:* Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
> *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C
>
>
>
> You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with
> grease, pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls,
> grease (from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely
> as good as new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are
> careful not to lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the
> other is there for a guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty
> jobs but simple enough to do. Once you have done one, the next is much
> faster plus you don't need any special tools.
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> Water Phantom
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via
> CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike and others who have provided valuable input,
>
>
>
> This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to
> purchase electric in any case due to cost.
>
>
>
> I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what
> size the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely
> original to boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from
> everyone, a Lewmar 42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in
> 12 knts wind it takes the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet
> in.  I was sensing that the winch handle was about to break.
>
>
>
> After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due
> for servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part,
> if not all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and
> greased about 10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.
>
>
>
> Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing,
> and reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What
> parts of the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts
> be obtained for such an old winch?
>
>
>
> Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.
>
>
>
> Jeff Laman
>
> 1981 C Harmony
>
> Ludington, MI
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C
>
>
>
> Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the
> primaries.  There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had
> been located where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations
> for the original primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of
> manual Lewmar 43ST winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard
> winches.  THIS WAS WAY OVERKILL!
>
>
>
> ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing
> backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin
> top Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin
> top halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)
>
>
>
> This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric
> winch can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using
> one.  We always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.
> Secondly these were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor
> has to be dropped from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and
> lubricate the gears, pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of
> accessibility from beneath to do this these winches were rarely serviced
> and never properly.  When running the spinnaker on these secondaries they
> were stiff and made spin handling more problematic than it should be (due
> to the lack of east servicing).
>
>
>
> In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a
> set of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of
> the ease of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors
> took away a LOT of unnecess

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Wow...mucho emails about winch servicing.   Almost as popular as what anchor is 
best?


From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:13 PM
To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease, 
pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.

Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease 
(from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as 
new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are careful not to 
lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the other is there for a 
guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to 
do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any 
special tools.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Mike and others who have provided valuable input,

This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.

I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.

After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.

Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?

Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C


Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!



ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)



This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric winch 
can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one.  We 
always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  Secondly these 
were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has to be dropped 
from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, 
pawls, etc ...  Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath 
to do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly.  When running 
the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more 
problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing).



In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set 
of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of the ease 
of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took away a LOT 
of unnecessary weight



Just a story I thought I would share



We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net<mailto:nausetbe...@optonline.net>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have 
BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. 
Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good things 
about

Some other thoughts:



For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winche

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Thanks Jim for the C winch size reference point.  I am becoming convinced 
that the Lewmar 42STs on the boat are in the normal range of other similar or 
same boats.  My poor maintenance is likely the issue, which I will remedy as 
soon as I get a Lemwar service kit.

Winch drum has sufficient roughness.  Two wraps and the sheets do not slip.  
Never have had an issue with this.  Biggest problem is to get crew to not put 3 
or 4 wraps on the drum!

I have 1/2" dia sheets that are nicely worn in -- not so new they are slippery 
but not so old they are needing to be replaced.  Winch handles are new Harken 
OneTouch which I really like.  Fast in and out of the winch and the grips run 
free.

Jeff

From: jim aridas via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 7:46 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter McMinn ; jim aridas 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Two points to make.
Winch drum surface does wear out as in gets smooth and looses it's grip on the 
line causing the line to slip.
Second, winch size for racing a 34. I campaigned a 34 for 12 yrs. Put Lewmar 
44s on when I 1st got the boat. Also make sure you have good handles and big 
enough diameter sheets.
Jim
Former C 34 1982


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From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter McMinn 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Over the winter, I rebuilt the Barient 2-sp 28s that were original on my ‘85 
37. Only had to replace the springs. Pawls appeared to have been replaced a few 
years ago but showed minimal wear; the gears and bearings were well greased by 
previous owners and in good shape. I’d say maintenance matters if the winch is 
serving your needs. Definitely worth a rebuild, considering the replacement 
cost.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:13 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease, 
pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.

Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease 
(from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as 
new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are careful not to 
lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the other is there for a 
guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to 
do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any 
special tools.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Mike and others who have provided valuable input,

This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.

I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.

After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.

Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?

Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C


Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!



ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)



This still l

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[jim aridas via CnC-List]

Two points to make.
Winch drum surface does wear out as in gets smooth and looses it's grip on the 
line causing the line to slip.
Second, winch size for racing a 34. I campaigned a 34 for 12 yrs. Put Lewmar 
44s on when I 1st got the boat. Also make sure you have good handles and big 
enough diameter sheets.
Jim
Former C 34 1982


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From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter McMinn 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Over the winter, I rebuilt the Barient 2-sp 28s that were original on my ‘85 
37. Only had to replace the springs. Pawls appeared to have been replaced a few 
years ago but showed minimal wear; the gears and bearings were well greased by 
previous owners and in good shape. I’d say maintenance matters if the winch is 
serving your needs. Definitely worth a rebuild, considering the replacement 
cost.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:13 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease, 
pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.

Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease 
(from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as 
new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are careful not to 
lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the other is there for a 
guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to 
do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any 
special tools.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Mike and others who have provided valuable input,

This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.

I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.

After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.

Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?

Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C


Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!



ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)



This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric winch 
can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one.  We 
always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  Secondly these 
were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has to be dropped 
from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, 
pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath to 
do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly.  When running 
the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more 
problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing).



In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set 
of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of the ease 
of servicing and better sizing for the boat

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

Over the winter, I rebuilt the Barient 2-sp 28s that were original on my
‘85 37. Only had to replace the springs. Pawls appeared to have been
replaced a few years ago but showed minimal wear; the gears and bearings
were well greased by previous owners and in good shape. I’d say maintenance
matters if the winch is serving your needs. Definitely worth a rebuild,
considering the replacement cost.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:13 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with
> grease, pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.
>
> Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls,
> grease (from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely
> as good as new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are
> careful not to lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the
> other is there for a guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty
> jobs but simple enough to do. Once you have done one, the next is much
> faster plus you don't need any special tools.
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via
> CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
> Mike and others who have provided valuable input,
>
> This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to
> purchase electric in any case due to cost.
>
> I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what
> size the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely
> original to boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from
> everyone, a Lewmar 42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in
> 12 knts wind it takes the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet
> in.  I was sensing that the winch handle was about to break.
>
> After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due
> for servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part,
> if not all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and
> greased about 10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.
>
> Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing,
> and reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What
> parts of the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts
> be obtained for such an old winch?
>
> Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.
>
> Jeff Laman
> 1981 C Harmony
> Ludington, MI
>
> --
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C
>
>
> Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the
> primaries.  There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had
> been located where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations
> for the original primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of
> manual Lewmar 43ST winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard
> winches.  THIS WAS WAY OVERKILL!
>
>
>
> ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing
> backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin
> top Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin
> top halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)
>
>
>
> This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric
> winch can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using
> one.  We always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.
> Secondly these were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor
> has to be dropped from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and
> lubricate the gears, pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of
> accessibility from beneath to do this these winches were rarely serviced
> and never properly.  When running the spinnaker on these secondaries they
> were stiff and made spin handling more problematic than it should be (due
> to the lack of east servicing).
>
>
>
> In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a
> set of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of
> the ease of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors
> took away a LOT of unnecessary weight
>
>
>
> Just a story I thought I would share
>
>
>
> We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
> *From:* nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[John Read via CnC-List]

I race and cruise our 34 - love the boat and have owned for 24 years.  Came
with Barient 28 as primary mounted aft and 22 as secondary mounted forward.
Under powered for the 155 genoa and symmetrical spin.  Got some used Barient
32 about 20 years ago.  Mounted aft for genoa.  Moved 28 to secondary for
spin and 22 to cabin top for main sheet.  Perfect!!  If there is a breeze a
slow tack is essential to let the crew trim the genoa on the new tack.
Release as sail starts to luff.  Skirting is always an issue.  Often a crew
will be at the new leeward turning block to help gather line and then lift
clew up and back for the final feet which usually solves the skirting
problem.  Also have a crew stationed at mast to help genoa get around the
baby stay and handle the skirt.  It takes practice but is definitely fast 

 

All winches are serviced annually and work just fine.  All have aluminum
drum and the 32 were losing their grip on the line.  Took the drums to a
machine shop to get them lightly knurled.  Now they grip like new but also
can slip when you want to.

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:46 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

 

Hello all,

I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If
there has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar,
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a
moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their
strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting
younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of
gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I
have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat,
owners have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I
would be grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue
for another 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that
in the decision.  Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual
removal and installation would be great too!  Thanks.

 

Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony

Ludington, MI

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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

 You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease, 
pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks. 
Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease 
(from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as 
new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are careful not to 
lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the other is there for a 
guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to 
do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any 
special tools. 
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 Mike and others who have provided valuable input,
This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.
I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.

After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.

Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?
Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.
Jeff Laman1981 C HarmonyLudington, MI

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C 
Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!

 

ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)

 

This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric winch 
can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one.  We 
always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  Secondly these 
were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has to be dropped 
from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, 
pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath to 
do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly.  When running 
the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more 
problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing).

 

In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set 
of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of the ease 
of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took away a LOT 
of unnecessary weight

 

Just a story I thought I would share

 

We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

 

From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

 

Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have 
BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. 
Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good things 
about 



Some other thoughts: 

 

For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winches 
during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain.

 

Electric winches are more than a little $ more.  Have heard / read good things 
about the “eWincher” as a viable alternative for people who do not want to make 
the investment in electric winches. 

 

Brian
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If you open the winches in the water (and even on the hard), I suggest using a 
shoebox method. Pawls have strange affinity to water.

As Chuck said: “If done every two years they will last forever”.

Marek

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 7:52 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Servicing winches is very worthwhile.  Can't believe you race and don't service 
your winches at least annually.  A skipper must take steps to ensure the boat 
is properly prepared for the crew.  You will learn on the first one, and kick 
yourself after, because of how easy it is to do.  Take your time.  Clean the 
old grease using diesle fuel or mineral spirits, lightly oil the pawls, and 
lightly grease the gears with a brush.  If done every two years they will last 
forever.  Skipping for 12 years?  I don't know.

Chuck S
On 09/12/2023 7:20 PM EDT Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Mike and others who have provided valuable input,

This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.

I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.

After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.

Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?

Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI



From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C


Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!



ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)



This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric winch 
can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one.  We 
always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  Secondly these 
were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has to be dropped 
from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, 
pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath to 
do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly.  When running 
the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more 
problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing).



In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set 
of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of the ease 
of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took away a LOT 
of unnecessary weight



Just a story I thought I would share



We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net<mailto:nausetbe...@optonline.net>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have 
BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. 
Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good things 
about



Some other thoughts:



For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winche

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Servicing winches is very worthwhile.  Can't believe you race and don't service 
your winches at least annually.  A skipper must take steps to ensure the boat 
is properly prepared for the crew.  You will learn on the first one, and kick 
yourself after, because of how easy it is to do.  Take your time.  Clean the 
old grease using diesle fuel or mineral spirits, lightly oil the pawls, and 
lightly grease the gears with a brush.  If done every two years they will last 
forever.  Skipping for 12 years?  I don't know.
 
Chuck S 

> On 09/12/2023 7:20 PM EDT Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> Mike and others who have provided valuable input,
>  
> This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
> electric in any case due to cost.
>  
> I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
> the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
> boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
> 42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
> the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
> the winch handle was about to break.
>  
> After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
> servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if 
> not all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased 
> about 10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.
>  
> Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
> reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
> the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be 
> obtained for such an old winch?
>  
> Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.
>  
> Jeff Laman
> 1981 C Harmony
> Ludington, MI
>  
>  
> 
> -
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C
>  
> Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
> There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
> where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the 
> original primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual 
> Lewmar 43ST winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches. 
>  THIS WAS WAY OVERKILL!
>  
> ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
> backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin 
> top Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
> halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)
>  
> This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric 
> winch can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using 
> one.  We always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  
> Secondly these were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has 
> to be dropped from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and 
> lubricate the gears, pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of 
> accessibility from beneath to do this these winches were rarely serviced and 
> never properly.  When running the spinnaker on these secondaries they were 
> stiff and made spin handling more problematic than it should be (due to the 
> lack of east servicing).
>  
> In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a 
> set of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of 
> the ease of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took 
> away a LOT of unnecessary weight
>  
> Just a story I thought I would share
>  
> We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW
>  
> Mike Hoyt
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
>  
> From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C
>  
> Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender 
> have BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet 
> pain. Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good 
> things about
>  
> Some other thoughts:
>  
> For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on 
> winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain.
>  
> Electric winches are more than a little $ more.  Have heard / read good 
> things about 

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Nathan,
Nice winches!  Thanks for the input.  A power ratio of 50 would certainly ease 
the effort.  As I mentioned in my other response, it seems a good cleaning, 
greasing, and inspection of wear might be in order first.
Jeff

From: Nathan Post via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Hi Jeff,

I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches in 2000. They seem 
sized correctly to me - I certainly wouldn't go smaller. They work fine for 
hauling in my 135 Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a typical crew can 
handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I would pay the extra for Lewmar 
Ocean winches of equivalent size or maybe even one size up instead.

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA (currently in Rockport ME)
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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Brian,
Thanks for the note about the "ewincher".  Makes a lot of sense for cost and 
maintenance reasons.  But, having lost a couple winch handles overboard, I 
doubt the $1650 ewincher floats.  Could be something to consider for the future 
when my arms are just too old.  Not there yet!

https://www.ewincher.com/en/

Jeff

From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:23 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C


Some other thoughts:



For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winches 
during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain.



Electric winches are more than a little $ more.  Have heard / read good things 
about the “eWincher” as a viable alternative for people who do not want to make 
the investment in electric winches.



Brian



From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:25 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Mike,

Thanks for the data point.  The two boats are very similar.  I don't think 
Lewmar makes a 43 anymore.  I am seeing a 40 and a 45.  According to the Lewmar 
charts a 40 is correctly sized for the C  But, I am thinking about the 45 
-- either Lewmar or other manufacturer -- to include the aging muscles factor...

Jeff



From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:48 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Hi Jeff



We have a Frers 33.  The foretriangle dimensions are similar.  On F33 I=45.0, 
J=13.33 . On C I=44, J=14



We have Lewmar 43 ST for primaries and they are adequately sized



On a side note we purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabintop halyard winches in 2014.  
I think they have doubled in price since then so be prepared for sticker shock



Mike  Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com/>



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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman mailto:jlam...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Hello all, I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions 
on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion. If 
there has been, my apologies. It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
self-tailing,

Hello all,

I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new 
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If there 
has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a 
moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their 
strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting 
younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of 
gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I 
have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat, owners 
have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I would be 
grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue for another 
10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that in the decision. 
 Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual removal and 
installation would be great too!  Thanks.



Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony

Ludington, MI
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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Mike and others who have provided valuable input,

This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.

I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.

After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.

Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?

Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C


Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!



ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)



This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric winch 
can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one.  We 
always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  Secondly these 
were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has to be dropped 
from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, 
pawls, etc …  Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath to 
do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly.  When running 
the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more 
problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing).



In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set 
of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of the ease 
of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took away a LOT 
of unnecessary weight



Just a story I thought I would share



We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have 
BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. 
Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good things 
about

Some other thoughts:



For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winches 
during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain.



Electric winches are more than a little $ more.  Have heard / read good things 
about the “eWincher” as a viable alternative for people who do not want to make 
the investment in electric winches.



Brian
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[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

I replaced the primaries on my previous boat, 35 MKII, with Lewmar 48 3 
speeds. A friend upgraded to self-tailers and I got a deal on them.


I used to yell 'grind, grind, grind' to the crew. Once I put these on, I 
started yelling 'stop, stop, stop'.


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uqDnJUbVfKxQKqFSaUwPLWP_AOjEqQax?usp=sharing

Oldies, but goodies. Never any issues. Maybe some could be found.

Mark Baldridge
~~~_/)
'89 C 37+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 9/12/2023 6:30 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:

Yep.
A pair of Barient 32 ST, look like SS. $2,500.  I think that is a 
sweet deal.
I paid 2K over 10 years ago for a pair of those, and was thrilled to 
get them.

Currently spoiled to death with Harken Electric 66 3 speed Primaries

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie PA

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 6:11 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Always have a look for used winches on eBay. If they were
used Lewmars, these are mostly indestructible so used is fine.
That is how I got my ST Lewmar 44s at $500 each. Compared to ~
$2000 each new.

Charlie Nelson
Water phantom


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On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 1:36 PM, Jeffrey A. Laman via
CnC-List  wrote:

Nathan,
Thanks for this data point!  I wish it were possible to test
run some winches before buying -- hah!  ST50 seems large, but
better a little large than two small.
Jeff

*From:* Nathan Post via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Nathan Post 
    *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C
Hi Jeff,

I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches
in 2000. They seem sized correctly to me - I certainly
wouldn't go smaller. They work fine for hauling in my 135
Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a typical crew
can handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I would pay
the extra for Lewmar Ocean winches of equivalent size or maybe
even one size up instead.

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA (currently in Rockport ME)
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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Yep.
A pair of Barient 32 ST, look like SS. $2,500.  I think that is a sweet
deal.
I paid 2K over 10 years ago for a pair of those, and was thrilled to get
them.
Currently spoiled to death with Harken Electric 66 3 speed Primaries

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie PA

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 6:11 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Always have a look for used winches on eBay. If they were used Lewmars,
> these are mostly indestructible so used is fine. That is how I got my ST
> Lewmar 44s at $500 each. Compared to ~ $2000 each new.
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water phantom
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 1:36 PM, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Nathan,
> Thanks for this data point!  I wish it were possible to test run some
> winches before buying -- hah!  ST50 seems large, but better a little large
> than two small.
> Jeff
> --
> *From:* Nathan Post via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Nathan Post 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches in 2000. They
> seem sized correctly to me - I certainly wouldn't go smaller. They work
> fine for hauling in my 135 Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a
> typical crew can handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I would pay
> the extra for Lewmar Ocean winches of equivalent size or maybe even one
> size up instead.
>
> Nathan
>
> ~~~
> Nathan Post
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA (currently in Rockport ME)
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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>
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> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
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[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Caution on a late release of a genoa.  The boat has a 155% North 3Di, 
which has been raced 13 times.  The last race, on the last tack, leeward 
crew did a late release, resulting in the spreader punching a hole just 
above the spreader patch.  Yes, North is going to add a little more 
height to the spreader patch.


Don Kern
/Fireball,/ C 35 Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 9/12/2023 5:46 PM, Bob Mann via CnC-List wrote:
On my C mark I, I replaced the primary winches with Lewmar 42's.  
I used to sail/race with a 170 but now our class has limited the 
largest sail to 155.  62 yo and still occasionally single-hand in races.
Letting the jib/genoa backwind so the wind is pushing the bow into the 
turn before releasing the sheet helps, as well as then slowing the 
turn so the jib can be brought in quickly while not under as much 
pressure. Not much boat speed should be lost doing this.

Bob Mann
Mystic

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[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

Always have a look for used winches on eBay. If they were used Lewmars, these 
are mostly indestructible so used is fine. That is how I got my ST Lewmar 44s 
at $500 each. Compared to ~ $2000 each new.
Charlie NelsonWater phantom


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On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 1:36 PM, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
 wrote:

#yiv6925550827 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Nathan,Thanks for this data 
point!  I wish it were possible to test run some winches before buying -- hah!  
ST50 seems large, but better a little large than two small.Jeff
From: Nathan Post via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C Hi Jeff,
I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches in 2000. They seem 
sized correctly to me - I certainly wouldn't go smaller. They work fine for 
hauling in my 135 Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a typical crew can 
handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I would pay the extra for Lewmar 
Ocean winches of equivalent size or maybe even one size up instead.
Nathan
~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C/now speed of tack turn

[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

On my C mark I, I replaced the primary winches with Lewmar 42's.  I used to 
sail/race with a 170 but now our class has limited the largest sail to 155.  62 
yo and still occasionally single-hand in races.
 
Letting the jib/genoa backwind so the wind is pushing the bow into the turn 
before releasing the sheet helps, as well as then slowing the turn so the jib 
can be brought in quickly while not under as much pressure. Not much boat speed 
should be lost doing this.
 
Bob Mann
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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Tacking advice:  Always remove any slack from the lazy sheet after each tack.  
When you turn the boat, the release is more important than the sheeting in.  
Start your tack, turning the boat ready to release, then wait till about a 
third of the genoa is backwinded, release that side and slow your turn so the 
sail is blown across the deck but the crew has little more time to sheet the 
genoa home.  If you are solo and using Autotack, it's still possible, it's all 
timing and practice.  
 
Chuck S 

> On 09/12/2023 2:28 PM EDT David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> I am glad the subject of tacking a large genoa came up.  I have a great deal 
> of trouble with my 145 genoa trying to get it so it does not require 
> extensive winching.  What tends to happen is that the clew of the genoa folds 
> back on itself at the mast as you come head to wind and then gets trapped 
> against the new leeward shrouds with the clew on the inside of the fold 
> (between the rest of the sail and the shrouds).  There is no way to pull it 
> by hand to unfold it and we have to wait until the wind unfolds it once there 
> is pressure and by then, the sheet is out too far, so I have to head up to 
> take some pressure off to bring it in.  SLO!!  Turning slower seems to 
> exacerbate the problem, and the only thing that has helped is to wait until 
> the sail is fully backwinded before releasing, as it comes across faster that 
> way and is less likely to be trapped.  Anyone have a hint as to what (if 
> anything) we are doing wrong?  Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 12, 2023, at 12:59 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I second Charlie's points about the timing; it took my a while to learn to 
> > turn the wheel more slowly to allow the trimmers to get the line in!
> >  
> > 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
> > Richard
> > Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> > Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> > (502) 584-7255
> >  
> >  
> > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:39:43 AM EDT, cenelson--- via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > I still have the original headsail winches on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb--Lewmar 
> > 50s self-tailing 2 speed IIRC--although I moved them forward for my local 
> > racing needs.  I also added a set of Lewmar 44s to make kite handling more 
> > reasonable. If this combination of 'power' is not enough, I need to get 
> > drop my sails and get into port somewhere!!
> >  
> > However, even these winches for the genoa can seem to be underpowered if 
> > the helm is not in tune with the headsail as it crosses the boat. I find it 
> > especially important to not turn the boat too fast during the tack. The 
> > helm needs to turn the wheel slowly, especially within say +/- 10-15 
> > degrees of head to wind, before the genoa begins to fill on the new tack. 
> >  
> > This will allow most of the new active sheet to be brought in hand over 
> > hand with very little pressure on it so that when it fills, there is only a 
> > few feet to winch in with a handle. 
> >  
> > I have found that with a 155% headsail, a 'quick' tack is usually a bad one 
> > since the grinders have to seriously grind in too much line with the genoa 
> > filled. This is a good example of using better 'timing' during the tack to 
> > reduce the serious winching required otherwise. If you are racing, climbing 
> > back to close-hauled from a tack that was too fast with the genoa too far 
> > out loses a lot of ground to windward to your competitors on every 'fast' 
> > tack.
> >  
> > BTW, if you add/replace any winches be mindful of where you mount them. My 
> > cockpit was originally set up more for cruising so the headsail winches 
> > were aft in the cockpit. As I did more club racing, in order to have room 
> > in the cockpit for flying a masthead symmetrical kite, I had to move them 
> > forward and add a set (44s) to handle the kite. I think the original 
> > thought was to fly the kite from winches on the cockpit bulkhead either 
> > side of the companionway which were Lewmar 30s. This turned out to be 
> > totally underpowered for my kite AND it concentrated too many bodies 
> > together at the companionway in each other's way most of the time. Further, 
> > even when I moved the 30s to the cockpit coaming aft of the headsail 
> > winches, I found the 30s to be underpowered for my kite--thus I replaced 
> > them with the 44s. 
> >  
> > Until I added the 44s, we tried to use the headsail winches for the kite 
> > which had plenty of power--however, moving the kite and genoa sheets during 
> > racing was much too confusing and time consuming.
> >  
> > FWIW
> >  
> > Charlie Nelson
> > Water Phantom
> > 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and 
> > help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Richard Arper via CnC-List]

We had a C 34 that we bought new in 1981, and had the boat until 2018.

The first thing that we did was to replace the primaries with Barient 28
self-tailing winches.

I'm not sure what size that equates to with other brands now that Barient is
no longer around.

We flew a 153% jib, raced a lot,  and it was an  adequate size.

I know that cost is always a consideration, but as someone else said, it
never hurts to oversize, especially as we get older.

FYI, there's a couple Barient 28 self-tailing winches on eBay right now, and
parts are still available to rebuild if needed.

 

Richard Arper

C 34+ Xanax

rtar...@wavecable.com

Bremerton, WA

 

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 7:46 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

 

Hello all,

I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If
there has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar,
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a
moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their
strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting
younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of
gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I
have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat,
owners have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I
would be grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue
for another 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that
in the decision.  Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual
removal and installation would be great too!  Thanks.

 

Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony

Ludington, MI

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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C/now speed of tack turn

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I am glad the subject of tacking a large genoa came up.  I have a great deal of 
trouble with my 145 genoa trying to get it so it does not require extensive 
winching.  What tends to happen is that the clew of the genoa folds back on 
itself at the mast as you come head to wind and then gets trapped against the 
new leeward shrouds with the clew on the inside of the fold (between the rest 
of the sail and the shrouds).  There is no way to pull it by hand to unfold it 
and we have to wait until the wind unfolds it once there is pressure and by 
then, the sheet is out too far, so I have to head up to take some pressure off 
to bring it in.  SLO!!  Turning slower seems to exacerbate the problem, and 
the only thing that has helped is to wait until the sail is fully backwinded 
before releasing, as it comes across faster that way and is less likely to be 
trapped.  Anyone have a hint as to what (if anything) we are doing wrong?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Sep 12, 2023, at 12:59 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I second Charlie's points about the timing; it took my a while to learn to 
> turn the wheel more slowly to allow the trimmers to get the line in!
> 
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
> Richard
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:39:43 AM EDT, cenelson--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I still have the original headsail winches on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb--Lewmar 
> 50s self-tailing 2 speed IIRC--although I moved them forward for my local 
> racing needs.  I also added a set of Lewmar 44s to make kite handling more 
> reasonable. If this combination of 'power' is not enough, I need to get drop 
> my sails and get into port somewhere!!
> 
> However, even these winches for the genoa can seem to be underpowered if the 
> helm is not in tune with the headsail as it crosses the boat. I find it 
> especially important to not turn the boat too fast during the tack. The helm 
> needs to turn the wheel slowly, especially within say +/- 10-15 degrees of 
> head to wind, before the genoa begins to fill on the new tack. 
> 
> This will allow most of the new active sheet to be brought in hand over hand 
> with very little pressure on it so that when it fills, there is only a few 
> feet to winch in with a handle. 
> 
> I have found that with a 155% headsail, a 'quick' tack is usually a bad one 
> since the grinders have to seriously grind in too much line with the genoa 
> filled. This is a good example of using better 'timing' during the tack to 
> reduce the serious winching required otherwise. If you are racing, climbing 
> back to close-hauled from a tack that was too fast with the genoa too far out 
> loses a lot of ground to windward to your competitors on every 'fast' tack.
> 
> BTW, if you add/replace any winches be mindful of where you mount them. My 
> cockpit was originally set up more for cruising so the headsail winches were 
> aft in the cockpit. As I did more club racing, in order to have room in the 
> cockpit for flying a masthead symmetrical kite, I had to move them forward 
> and add a set (44s) to handle the kite. I think the original thought was to 
> fly the kite from winches on the cockpit bulkhead either side of the 
> companionway which were Lewmar 30s. This turned out to be totally 
> underpowered for my kite AND it concentrated too many bodies together at the 
> companionway in each other's way most of the time. Further, even when I moved 
> the 30s to the cockpit coaming aft of the headsail winches, I found the 30s 
> to be underpowered for my kite--thus I replaced them with the 44s. 
> 
> Until I added the 44s, we tried to use the headsail winches for the kite 
> which had plenty of power--however, moving the kite and genoa sheets during 
> racing was much too confusing and time consuming.
> 
> FWIW
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu

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[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

Some other thoughts: 

 

For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on
winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. 

 

Electric winches are more than a little $ more.  Have heard / read good
things about the "eWincher" as a viable alternative for people who do not
want to make the investment in electric winches.  

 

Brian

 

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:25 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Jeffrey A. Laman

Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

 

Mike,

Thanks for the data point.  The two boats are very similar.  I don't think
Lewmar makes a 43 anymore.  I am seeing a 40 and a 45.  According to the
Lewmar charts a 40 is correctly sized for the C  But, I am thinking
about the 45 -- either Lewmar or other manufacturer -- to include the aging
muscles factor...

Jeff

  _  

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:48 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C 

 

Hi Jeff

 

We have a Frers 33.  The foretriangle dimensions are similar.  On F33
I=45.0, J=13.33 . On C I=44, J=14

 

We have Lewmar 43 ST for primaries and they are adequately sized

 

On a side note we purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabintop halyard winches in
2014.  I think they have doubled in price since then so be prepared for
sticker shock

 

Mike  Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com <http://www.hoytsailing.com> 

 

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman mailto:jlam...@outlook.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

 

Hello all, I have attempted to search the archives for information and
opinions on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a
discussion. If there has been, my apologies. It has become apparent that the
old, Lewmar, self-tailing, 

Hello all,

I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If
there has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar,
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a
moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their
strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting
younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of
gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I
have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat,
owners have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I
would be grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue
for another 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that
in the decision.  Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual
removal and installation would be great too!  Thanks.

 

Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony

Ludington, MI

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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Nathan,
Thanks for this data point!  I wish it were possible to test run some winches 
before buying -- hah!  ST50 seems large, but better a little large than two 
small.
Jeff

From: Nathan Post via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Hi Jeff,

I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches in 2000. They seem 
sized correctly to me - I certainly wouldn't go smaller. They work fine for 
hauling in my 135 Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a typical crew can 
handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I would pay the extra for Lewmar 
Ocean winches of equivalent size or maybe even one size up instead.

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA (currently in Rockport ME)
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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Mike,
Thanks for the data point.  The two boats are very similar.  I don't think 
Lewmar makes a 43 anymore.  I am seeing a 40 and a 45.  According to the Lewmar 
charts a 40 is correctly sized for the C  But, I am thinking about the 45 
-- either Lewmar or other manufacturer -- to include the aging muscles factor...
Jeff

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:48 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C


Hi Jeff



We have a Frers 33.  The foretriangle dimensions are similar.  On F33 I=45.0, 
J=13.33 . On C I=44, J=14



We have Lewmar 43 ST for primaries and they are adequately sized



On a side note we purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabintop halyard winches in 2014.  
I think they have doubled in price since then so be prepared for sticker shock



Mike  Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com



From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Hello all, I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions 
on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion. If 
there has been, my apologies. It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
self-tailing,

Hello all,

I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new 
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If there 
has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a 
moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their 
strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting 
younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of 
gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I 
have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat, owners 
have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I would be 
grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue for another 
10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that in the decision. 
 Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual removal and 
installation would be great too!  Thanks.



Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony

Ludington, MI
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Yes, point well taken on slowing the turn.  I have gotten fairly good at 
keeping an eye on the competition, chart plotter, headsail, and the trimmers 
while tacking.  Overall it's much better to take the turn a little slower and 
limit the grinding.  But, even minimal grinding with current winches is very 
difficult.  I need to look into new winches for sure.

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:59 PM
To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

I second Charlie's points about the timing; it took my a while to learn to turn 
the wheel more slowly to allow the trimmers to get the line in!

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:39:43 AM EDT, cenelson--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I still have the original headsail winches on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb--Lewmar 50s 
self-tailing 2 speed IIRC--although I moved them forward for my local racing 
needs.  I also added a set of Lewmar 44s to make kite handling more reasonable. 
If this combination of 'power' is not enough, I need to get drop my sails and 
get into port somewhere!!

However, even these winches for the genoa can seem to be underpowered if the 
helm is not in tune with the headsail as it crosses the boat. I find it 
especially important to not turn the boat too fast during the tack. The helm 
needs to turn the wheel slowly, especially within say +/- 10-15 degrees of head 
to wind, before the genoa begins to fill on the new tack.

This will allow most of the new active sheet to be brought in hand over hand 
with very little pressure on it so that when it fills, there is only a few feet 
to winch in with a handle.

I have found that with a 155% headsail, a 'quick' tack is usually a bad one 
since the grinders have to seriously grind in too much line with the genoa 
filled. This is a good example of using better 'timing' during the tack to 
reduce the serious winching required otherwise. If you are racing, climbing 
back to close-hauled from a tack that was too fast with the genoa too far out 
loses a lot of ground to windward to your competitors on every 'fast' tack.

BTW, if you add/replace any winches be mindful of where you mount them. My 
cockpit was originally set up more for cruising so the headsail winches were 
aft in the cockpit. As I did more club racing, in order to have room in the 
cockpit for flying a masthead symmetrical kite, I had to move them forward and 
add a set (44s) to handle the kite. I think the original thought was to fly the 
kite from winches on the cockpit bulkhead either side of the companionway which 
were Lewmar 30s. This turned out to be totally underpowered for my kite AND it 
concentrated too many bodies together at the companionway in each other's way 
most of the time. Further, even when I moved the 30s to the cockpit coaming aft 
of the headsail winches, I found the 30s to be underpowered for my kite--thus I 
replaced them with the 44s.

Until I added the 44s, we tried to use the headsail winches for the kite which 
had plenty of power--however, moving the kite and genoa sheets during racing 
was much too confusing and time consuming.

FWIW

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb





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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Hi Jeff,

I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches in 2000. They
seem sized correctly to me - I certainly wouldn't go smaller. They work
fine for hauling in my 135 Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a
typical crew can handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I would pay
the extra for Lewmar Ocean winches of equivalent size or maybe even one
size up instead.

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA (currently in Rockport ME)
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

I second Charlie's points about the timing; it took my a while to learn to turn 
the wheel more slowly to allow the trimmers to get the line in!

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:39:43 AM EDT, cenelson--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
  I still have the original headsail winches on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb--Lewmar 
50s self-tailing 2 speed IIRC--although I moved them forward for my local 
racing needs.  I also added a set of Lewmar 44s to make kite handling more 
reasonable. If this combination of 'power' is not enough, I need to get drop my 
sails and get into port somewhere!!
However, even these winches for the genoa can seem to be underpowered if the 
helm is not in tune with the headsail as it crosses the boat. I find it 
especially important to not turn the boat too fast during the tack. The helm 
needs to turn the wheel slowly, especially within say +/- 10-15 degrees of head 
to wind, before the genoa begins to fill on the new tack. 
This will allow most of the new active sheet to be brought in hand over hand 
with very little pressure on it so that when it fills, there is only a few feet 
to winch in with a handle. 
I have found that with a 155% headsail, a 'quick' tack is usually a bad one 
since the grinders have to seriously grind in too much line with the genoa 
filled. This is a good example of using better 'timing' during the tack to 
reduce the serious winching required otherwise. If you are racing, climbing 
back to close-hauled from a tack that was too fast with the genoa too far out 
loses a lot of ground to windward to your competitors on every 'fast' tack.
BTW, if you add/replace any winches be mindful of where you mount them. My 
cockpit was originally set up more for cruising so the headsail winches were 
aft in the cockpit. As I did more club racing, in order to have room in the 
cockpit for flying a masthead symmetrical kite, I had to move them forward and 
add a set (44s) to handle the kite. I think the original thought was to fly the 
kite from winches on the cockpit bulkhead either side of the companionway which 
were Lewmar 30s. This turned out to be totally underpowered for my kite AND it 
concentrated too many bodies together at the companionway in each other's way 
most of the time. Further, even when I moved the 30s to the cockpit coaming aft 
of the headsail winches, I found the 30s to be underpowered for my kite--thus I 
replaced them with the 44s. 
Until I added the 44s, we tried to use the headsail winches for the kite which 
had plenty of power--however, moving the kite and genoa sheets during racing 
was much too confusing and time consuming.
FWIW
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36XL/kcb
 


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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Jeff

We have a Frers 33.  The foretriangle dimensions are similar.  On F33 I=45.0, 
J=13.33 . On C I=44, J=14

We have Lewmar 43 ST for primaries and they are adequately sized

On a side note we purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabintop halyard winches in 2014.  
I think they have doubled in price since then so be prepared for sticker shock

Mike  Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Hello all, I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions 
on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion. If 
there has been, my apologies. It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
self-tailing,

Hello all,
I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new 
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If there 
has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a 
moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their 
strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting 
younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of 
gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I 
have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat, owners 
have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I would be 
grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue for another 
10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that in the decision. 
 Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual removal and 
installation would be great too!  Thanks.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

 I still have the original headsail winches on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb--Lewmar 
50s self-tailing 2 speed IIRC--although I moved them forward for my local 
racing needs.  I also added a set of Lewmar 44s to make kite handling more 
reasonable. If this combination of 'power' is not enough, I need to get drop my 
sails and get into port somewhere!!
However, even these winches for the genoa can seem to be underpowered if the 
helm is not in tune with the headsail as it crosses the boat. I find it 
especially important to not turn the boat too fast during the tack. The helm 
needs to turn the wheel slowly, especially within say +/- 10-15 degrees of head 
to wind, before the genoa begins to fill on the new tack. 
This will allow most of the new active sheet to be brought in hand over hand 
with very little pressure on it so that when it fills, there is only a few feet 
to winch in with a handle. 
I have found that with a 155% headsail, a 'quick' tack is usually a bad one 
since the grinders have to seriously grind in too much line with the genoa 
filled. This is a good example of using better 'timing' during the tack to 
reduce the serious winching required otherwise. If you are racing, climbing 
back to close-hauled from a tack that was too fast with the genoa too far out 
loses a lot of ground to windward to your competitors on every 'fast' tack.
BTW, if you add/replace any winches be mindful of where you mount them. My 
cockpit was originally set up more for cruising so the headsail winches were 
aft in the cockpit. As I did more club racing, in order to have room in the 
cockpit for flying a masthead symmetrical kite, I had to move them forward and 
add a set (44s) to handle the kite. I think the original thought was to fly the 
kite from winches on the cockpit bulkhead either side of the companionway which 
were Lewmar 30s. This turned out to be totally underpowered for my kite AND it 
concentrated too many bodies together at the companionway in each other's way 
most of the time. Further, even when I moved the 30s to the cockpit coaming aft 
of the headsail winches, I found the 30s to be underpowered for my kite--thus I 
replaced them with the 44s. 
Until I added the 44s, we tried to use the headsail winches for the kite which 
had plenty of power--however, moving the kite and genoa sheets during racing 
was much too confusing and time consuming.
FWIW
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36XL/kcb
 


On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 10:46:36 AM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
  Hello all,I have attempted to search the archives for information and 
opinions on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a 
discussion.  If there has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the 
old, Lewmar, self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate 
-- in a moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all 
their strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not 
getting younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the 
details of gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am 
investigating so I have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar 
sized boat, owners have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing 
winches, I would be grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to 
continue for another 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor 
that in the decision.  Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual 
removal and installation would be great too!  Thanks.
Jeff Laman1981 C HarmonyLudington, MI
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Jeff,

The second Enterprise was a 1978 C 34 and I believe she had Barient 24s. We 
added some Lewmars when we raced spinnaker. 

I like Richard’s electric idea, but I’m not sure you’d have room below the deck 
for the motors. Suggest you talk to Lewmar, they may have bigger winches that 
will us the same mounting holes. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-C
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

> On Sep 12, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jeffrey, I feel your pain...I have a 37, and it has gi-normous winches, I 
> downsized from a 155 to a 135 just to ease the energy load needed...(75 this 
> month)
> If I were getting new winches, I would go electric! They will increase the 
> sale price of the boat some day too! 
> 
> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584* (hauled out for repairs)
> 
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:46:16 AM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via 
> CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new 
> primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If there 
> has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
> self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a 
> moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their 
> strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting 
> younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of 
> gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I 
> have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat, owners 
> have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I would be 
> grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue for another 
> 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that in the 
> decision.  Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual removal 
> and installation would be great too!  Thanks.
> 
> Jeff Laman
> 1981 C Harmony
> Ludington, MI
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> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Jeff; We solved this issue on my 38MKIIC several years ago.I replaced mine with 4 speed Pontos and we've never looked back.I think that Karver purchased the Pontos technology. They have very convincing videos and these winches work just like they say.There are no buttons to push for gear changing, just reverse the grinding when there's tension and reverse back for the next gear.The initial gear is so fast that, in a pinch, my 155 genoa trimmer can release and get to the opposite winch and complete the tack singlehanded.On Sep 12, 2023 10:45 AM, "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List"  wrote:
Hello all,
I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new primary winches
 for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If there has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking
 with all their strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I have that as
 a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat, owners have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I would be grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue for another 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!),
 so I need to factor that in the decision.  Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual removal and installation would be great too!  Thanks.




Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI

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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Previous owner replaced with Anderson 52’s.  IMO Oversized. If that helps. 
I kinda like’m though. 
Jon Pratt
35-3
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Jeffrey, I feel your pain...I have a 37, and it has gi-normous winches, I 
downsized from a 155 to a 135 just to ease the energy load needed...(75 this 
month)
If I were getting new winches, I would go electric! They will increase the sale 
price of the boat some day too! 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584* (hauled out for repairs)


Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:46:16 AM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
  Hello all,I have attempted to search the archives for information and 
opinions on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a 
discussion.  If there has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the 
old, Lewmar, self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate 
-- in a moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all 
their strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not 
getting younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the 
details of gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am 
investigating so I have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar 
sized boat, owners have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing 
winches, I would be grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to 
continue for another 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor 
that in the decision.  Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual 
removal and installation would be great too!  Thanks.
Jeff Laman1981 C HarmonyLudington, MI
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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Hello all,
I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new 
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion.  If there 
has been, my apologies.  It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, 
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a 
moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their 
strength to bring the sheet in far enough.  I and the crew are not getting 
younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70.  I don't know the details of 
gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I 
have that as a reference.  If any of you C, or similar sized boat, owners 
have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I would be 
grateful.  I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue for another 
10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that in the decision. 
 Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual removal and 
installation would be great too!  Thanks.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Input on C designed Harpoon 4.6?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I haven’t sailed one, but from what I have heard they are not the fastest 
dinghies around but pretty indestructible.
Joe

From: Wyatt via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:39 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Wyatt 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Input on C designed Harpoon 4.6?

Hi there, I'm strongly considering picking one of these C, but 
Boston Whaler produced Harpoon 4.6s:

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/designs/harpoon/harp461.htm
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/harpoon-46

Anyone have any input on these? I had an O'Day DSII (17') which I loved for 
lake sailing...but a small C dinghy sounds like a lot of fun too.

Thanks!
Wyatt

Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Hang in there, Ken.

 

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 7:49 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

 

Loads of trees down all over town.  Lots of power poles snapped off too.  No 
damage to our house or to our boat.  We lost one smaller tree in our front 
yard, it uprooted, and lots of smaller limbs (and a few big ones) are down off 
our other trees.  Still no power on at home yet, not since Friday midnight.  No 
landline, internet or tv either.  Radio works...  The little Honda EU2200i 
generator is presently running our deep freezer, refrigerator, boiler & pumps, 
Annes’s sewing machine, and a few lights.  Glad I bought extra gas, we’re going 
to need it.  Something like 19,200 customers without power in town still, 
100,000 out across Nova Scotia.

 

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin

N46°07.682’ W060°11.241’

kenhea...@gmail.com <mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com> 

S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

 

 <https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.ca/p/salazar.html> C 37/40 XL Salazar

 

 

On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 09:01, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Good to hear. It seems it was much worse further North (Cape Breton and NL).

 

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:21 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: dwight veinot mailto:dwight...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

 

OK here for us in St. Margaret's Bay communities.  A mess of limbs and downed 
trees to clean up but people all good near by. Lost power for a few hours here 
and some nearby neighbours still no power.  Many people in NS still no 
electricity and some gas stations in Halifax ran out of fuel and lineups at Tim 
Hortons pretty long. I have a little Honda 2000i generator which allowed us to 
serve coffee and muffins to neighbours morning after the storm. 

 

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:32 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Dwight,

 

How did you survive the visit from Fiona? I hope you and your close ones are ok.

 

Marek

Ottawa ON 

 

 

Sent from my Android-based can on a string

 

 

 

 Original message 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 2022-09-25 17:21 (GMT-05:00) 

To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Cc: dwight veinot mailto:dwight...@gmail.com> > 

Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts 

 

I think if you had water ingress and sloved the issue by tightening the nuts on 
your keel bolts then getting good effect from the bedding compound used was the 
problem. Anybody know what bedding compound was used on build. 

 

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 3:32 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I hadn’t thought of that! The keel is slowly getting shorter. If I keep the 
boat another 50 years I won’t be aground at extra-low tide!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Leeward Rail via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Leeward Rail mailto:leeward_r...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

The keel bolts are in lead. Lead is soft and eventually they would pull upwards 
slightly.  I would assume that is why.   I have been planning to contact 
MARSKEEL and get some pro info. 

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Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Loads of trees down all over town.  Lots of power poles snapped off too.
No damage to our house or to our boat.  We lost one smaller tree in our
front yard, it uprooted, and lots of smaller limbs (and a few big ones) are
down off our other trees.  Still no power on at home yet, not since Friday
midnight.  No landline, internet or tv either.  Radio works...  The little
Honda EU2200i generator is presently running our deep freezer,
refrigerator, boiler & pumps, Annes’s sewing machine, and a few lights.
Glad I bought extra gas, we’re going to need it.  Something like 19,200
customers without power in town still, 100,000 out across Nova Scotia.

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin

N46°07.682’ W060°11.241’

kenhea...@gmail.com

S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

C 37/40 XL Salazar <https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.ca/p/salazar.html>


On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 09:01, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good to hear. It seems it was much worse further North (Cape Breton and
> NL).
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dwight veinot via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2022 6:21 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* dwight veinot 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)
>
>
>
> OK here for us in St. Margaret's Bay communities.  A mess of limbs and
> downed trees to clean up but people all good near by. Lost power for a few
> hours here and some nearby neighbours still no power.  Many people in NS
> still no electricity and some gas stations in Halifax ran out of fuel and
> lineups at Tim Hortons pretty long. I have a little Honda 2000i generator
> which allowed us to serve coffee and muffins to neighbours morning after
> the storm.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:32 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dwight,
>
>
>
> How did you survive the visit from Fiona? I hope you and your close ones
> are ok.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
> Ottawa ON
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Android-based can on a string
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>
> Date: 2022-09-25 17:21 (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Stus-List 
>
> Cc: dwight veinot 
>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
>
>
> I think if you had water ingress and sloved the issue by tightening the
> nuts on your keel bolts then getting good effect from the bedding compound
> used was the problem. Anybody know what bedding compound was used on build.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 3:32 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I hadn’t thought of that! The keel is slowly getting shorter. If I keep
> the boat another 50 years I won’t be aground at extra-low tide!
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Leeward Rail via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:24 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Leeward Rail 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
>
>
> The keel bolts are in lead. Lead is soft and eventually they would pull
> upwards slightly.  I would assume that is why.   I have been planning to
> contact MARSKEEL and get some pro info.
>
> --
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
> --
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>

Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Good to hear. It seems it was much worse further North (Cape Breton and NL).


From: dwight veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:21 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

OK here for us in St. Margaret's Bay communities.  A mess of limbs and downed 
trees to clean up but people all good near by. Lost power for a few hours here 
and some nearby neighbours still no power.  Many people in NS still no 
electricity and some gas stations in Halifax ran out of fuel and lineups at Tim 
Hortons pretty long. I have a little Honda 2000i generator which allowed us to 
serve coffee and muffins to neighbours morning after the storm.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:32 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Dwight,

How did you survive the visit from Fiona? I hope you and your close ones are ok.

Marek
Ottawa ON


Sent from my Android-based can on a string



 Original message 
From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 2022-09-25 17:21 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: dwight veinot mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

I think if you had water ingress and sloved the issue by tightening the nuts on 
your keel bolts then getting good effect from the bedding compound used was the 
problem. Anybody know what bedding compound was used on build.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 3:32 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I hadn’t thought of that! The keel is slowly getting shorter. If I keep the 
boat another 50 years I won’t be aground at extra-low tide!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Leeward Rail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Leeward Rail mailto:leeward_r...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

The keel bolts are in lead. Lead is soft and eventually they would pull upwards 
slightly.  I would assume that is why.   I have been planning to contact 
MARSKEEL and get some pro info.
--
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Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

OK here for us in St. Margaret's Bay communities.  A mess of limbs and
downed trees to clean up but people all good near by. Lost power for a few
hours here and some nearby neighbours still no power.  Many people in NS
still no electricity and some gas stations in Halifax ran out of fuel and
lineups at Tim Hortons pretty long. I have a little Honda 2000i generator
which allowed us to serve coffee and muffins to neighbours morning after
the storm.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:32 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Dwight,
>
> How did you survive the visit from Fiona? I hope you and your close ones
> are ok.
>
> Marek
> Ottawa ON
>
>
> Sent from my Android-based can on a string
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
> Date: 2022-09-25 17:21 (GMT-05:00)
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: dwight veinot 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
> I think if you had water ingress and sloved the issue by tightening the
> nuts on your keel bolts then getting good effect from the bedding compound
> used was the problem. Anybody know what bedding compound was used on build.
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 3:32 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I hadn’t thought of that! The keel is slowly getting shorter. If I keep
>> the boat another 50 years I won’t be aground at extra-low tide!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Leeward Rail via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:24 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Leeward Rail 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> The keel bolts are in lead. Lead is soft and eventually they would pull
>> upwards slightly.  I would assume that is why.   I have been planning to
>> contact MARSKEEL and get some pro info.
>>
> --
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
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Stus-List Re: Fiona (was Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Dwight,

How did you survive the visit from Fiona? I hope you and your close ones are ok.

Marek
Ottawa ON


Sent from my Android-based can on a string



 Original message 
From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Date: 2022-09-25 17:21 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

I think if you had water ingress and sloved the issue by tightening the nuts on 
your keel bolts then getting good effect from the bedding compound used was the 
problem. Anybody know what bedding compound was used on build.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 3:32 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I hadn’t thought of that! The keel is slowly getting shorter. If I keep the 
boat another 50 years I won’t be aground at extra-low tide!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Leeward Rail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Leeward Rail mailto:leeward_r...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

The keel bolts are in lead. Lead is soft and eventually they would pull upwards 
slightly.  I would assume that is why.   I have been planning to contact 
MARSKEEL and get some pro info.
--
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Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[schiller via CnC-List]

My 1970 Rewing 35 (Hull #7) ha the cove strip with the boat name space 
but no swords or daggers.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, $028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan

On 8/26/2022 8:03 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote:

My 1974 35 had cove stripes but no swords or daggers fore and aft.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 4:48 PM Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List 
 wrote:


That doesn’t always hold true, early 35s didn’t have the cove strip

JKC

www.candcyachts.com 
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752


On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Doug Robinson via CnC-List
 wrote:


No cove strip...


On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:21 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List
 wrote:

Sheerline, bow overhang, and keel shape don’t look like a C
30’s.

Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO


On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
 wrote:


https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked
like???
Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



--
Sent from Gmail Mobile

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

My 1974 35 had cove stripes but no swords or daggers fore and aft.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 4:48 PM Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That doesn’t always hold true, early 35s didn’t have the cove strip
>
> JKC
>
> www.candcyachts.com
> Motion Designs Limited
> 647 990 7752
>
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Doug Robinson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> No cove strip...
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:21 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Sheerline, bow overhang, and keel shape don’t look like a C 30’s.
>>
>> Randy Stafford
>> SV Grenadine
>> C 30 MK I #79
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>>
>> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
>> --
Sent from Gmail Mobile

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Alexander Netherton via CnC-List]

Don't think so
1-keel and rudder do not have fin design, and bow line on mt cnc30 mk 1 is more 
curved.
2 position of hand rails is more centred than on mlne--which are angled and on 
edge of deck.  No dorad, etc...
3 cockpit configuration missing traveller and seems to have extra lockers.  Too 
narrow
Galley configuration is different, as is table configuration,
Could not see chain plates in standard location.
Defiantly a  boat of the same generations, but not a C 30 MK 1.
Alex N
Dulicibella


Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 10:35:02 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

It has to be a c
The mast is in the middle of the table. 

Doug Mountjoy
C Landfall 39 1988
Sabre 34 1983


On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 06:33 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html



The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???





Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List]

That doesn’t always hold true, early 35s didn’t have the cove strip

JKC

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> No cove strip...
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:21 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Sheerline, bow overhang, and keel shape don’t look like a C 30’s.
>> 
>> Randy Stafford
>> SV Grenadine
>> C 30 MK I #79
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>>>  
>>> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Joe Della Barba
>>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>> Kent Island MD USA
>>>  
>> 

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

No cove strip...


On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:21 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sheerline, bow overhang, and keel shape don’t look like a C 30’s.
>
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Sheerline, bow overhang, and keel shape don’t look like a C 30’s.

Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>  
> 
>  
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

It has to be a c
The mast is in the middle of the table. 

Doug Mountjoy
C Landfall 39 1988
Sabre 34 1983


On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 06:33 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>
>
>
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 That looks like my friends boat except for the keel.  Note the position of the 
head on the starboard side.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022, 10:54:12 AM CDT, Motion Designs Limited via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/lancer-30-4
Probably 
JKC

www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752




   
  

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List]

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/lancer-30-4

Probably 

JKC

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks a lot like a friends Lancer 30 except for the head placement.
> His was a C design.
> Not like any of the C 30s I've been on.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022, 09:49:24 AM CDT, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sailboat data has this note for the Lancer 30: "Origins with the original C 
> 30. C often sold off the molds for retired models"
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 584.4;
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 10:02 am
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
> 
> That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30.  The exterior, windows, 
> keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 and 30-4 
> so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the Viking 33 
> offered where the interior was custom …
>  
> From: Barry McKee via CnC-List  
> Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
>  
> Don’t think this is a C 30.  Interior is all wrong.
>  
> Barry McKee
> C 29 “Discovery II”
>  
> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
> To: 'Stus-List'
> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
> Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?
>  
>  
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>  
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 Looks a lot like a friends Lancer 30 except for the head placement.His was a 
C design.Not like any of the C 30s I've been on.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022, 09:49:24 AM CDT, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
  Sailboat data has this note for the Lancer 30: "Origins with the original C 
30. C often sold off the molds for retired models" 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 584.4;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 10:02 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30.  The exterior, windows, 
keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 and 30-4 
so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the Viking 33 
offered where the interior was custom …    From: Barry McKee via CnC-List 

Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?    Don’t think this is a C 30.  
Interior is all wrong.    Barry McKee C 29 “Discovery II”    From: Joe Della 
Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?       
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
    The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???       
Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA      

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Sailboat data has this note for the Lancer 30: "Origins with the original C 
30. C often sold off the molds for retired models" 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 584.4;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 10:02 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

That looks quite a bit like a C designed 
Lancer 30.  The exterior, windows, keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite 
different than the 30-3 and 30-4 so I am wondering if it was an earlier model 
or a kit boat like the Viking 33 offered where the interior was custom …    
From: Barry McKee via CnC-List 
Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?    Don’t think this is a C 30.  
Interior is all wrong.    Barry McKee C 29 “Discovery II”    From: Joe Della 
Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?       
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
    The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???       
Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA    

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Mike Macdonald via CnC-List]

No dorado boxes. Big tell

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a 74 30 mk1 it looks pretty much the same on the deck except the hatch 
> under boom
> And upgraded steering 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 7:15 AM Joel Delamirande 
>>  wrote:
>> Look like a mk2 interior mixed with mk1
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 6:34 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Joe Della Barba
>>> 
>>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>> 
>>> Kent Island MD USA
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Joel Delamirande
>> 
>> www.jdroofing.ca
>> 
> -- 
> Joel Delamirande
> 
> www.jdroofing.ca
> 

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

I have a 74 30 mk1 it looks pretty much the same on the deck except the
hatch under boom
And upgraded steering

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 7:15 AM Joel Delamirande 
wrote:

> Look like a mk2 interior mixed with mk1
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 6:34 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Joel Delamirande
> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>
> --
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Agree.  Saw Lancer from the exterior.  Maybe C designedbut not typical C 
build.

C



> On 08/24/2022 10:09 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The interior looks like the 1976 Lancer 30 as well.  Hard to find images 
> though
> 
>  
> 
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> Sent: August 24, 2022 11:02 AM
> To: Stus-List 
>     Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
> 
> 
> That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30.  The exterior, 
> windows, keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 
> and 30-4 so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the 
> Viking 33 offered where the interior was custom …
> 
>  
> 
> From: Barry McKee via CnC-List 
> Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
> 
> 
> Don’t think this is a C 30.  Interior is all wrong.
> 
>  
> 
> Barry McKee
> 
> C 29 “Discovery II”
> 
>  
> 
> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
> To: 'Stus-List'
> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
> Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
> 
> 
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> 
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> 
> Kent Island MD USA
> 
> 

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Mike Macdonald via CnC-List]

Deck is all wrong for a 30 both mk1 & 2

Mike Macdonald 
C 29
Ten Penny 
Toronto

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 10:03 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30.  The exterior, windows, 
> keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 and 30-4 
> so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the Viking 33 
> offered where the interior was custom …
>  
> From: Barry McKee via CnC-List  
> Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
>  
> Don’t think this is a C 30.  Interior is all wrong.
>  
> Barry McKee
> C 29 “Discovery II”
>  
> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
> To: 'Stus-List'
> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
> Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?
>  
>  
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>  
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Look like a mk2 interior mixed with mk1


On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 6:34 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>
>
>
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

The interior looks like the 1976 Lancer 30 as well.  Hard to find images though

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: August 24, 2022 11:02 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30.  The exterior, windows, 
keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 and 30-4 
so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the Viking 33 
offered where the interior was custom …

From: Barry McKee via CnC-List 
Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

Don’t think this is a C 30.  Interior is all wrong.

Barry McKee
C 29 “Discovery II”

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?


https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html

The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30.  The exterior, windows, 
keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 and 30-4 
so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the Viking 33 
offered where the interior was custom …

From: Barry McKee via CnC-List 
Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

Don’t think this is a C 30.  Interior is all wrong.

Barry McKee
C 29 “Discovery II”

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?


https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html

The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

[Barry McKee via CnC-List]

Don’t think this is a C 30.  Interior is all wrong.

 

Barry McKee

C 29 “Discovery II”

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?

 

 

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html

 

The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

And if you have radar those cables can be quite large o.d. also.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 10:30 AM Leeward Rail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Correct.
>
> In this case the LMR400U is 1/2" dia and has connectors already installed
> which are bigger. 2 runs of ultra low loss coax could end up being 1"
> alone.. Then all the other wiring on top of that.
>
> Aug. 19, 2022 8:01:12 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  >:
>
> > The larger the conduit the more chance the cables will slap around
> inside it, which will annoy you all night long.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >Jeff Nelson
> >Muir Caileag
> >C 30 - 549
> >Armdale Y.C.
> >
> > On 2022-08-19 09:32, Leeward Rail via CnC-List wrote:
> >> Vhf coax LMR400UF
> >> Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some
> other large low loss cable like LMR400
> >> Steaming light
> >> Anchor light
> >> Decklight.
> >>
> >> One day may have wind instruments
> >>
> >> Bigger is easier when fishing wire.
> >>
> >> Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same
> effort?
> >>
> >>
> >> Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>:
> >>
> >>> I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches
> seems pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
> >>> what all you got going on up there?
> >>>
> >>> -- Cheers,
> >>>Jeff Nelson
> >>>Muir Caileag
> >>>C 30 - 549
> >>>Armdale Y.C.
> >>>
> >>> On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
>  Hello All,
> 
>  I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
> 
>  Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the
> conduit
> 
>  Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all
> the way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would
> get in the way ?
> 
>  I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
> 
>  Thanks !
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >Jeff Nelson
> >Muir Caileag
> >C 30 - 549
> >Armdale Y.C.
>
-- 
Sent from Gmail Mobile

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Good point.

-Original Message-
From: leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 11:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: leewardrail hotmail 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

The problem with that trick is the wires are now a bundle and would need to be 
removed together if you wanted to add another wire or replace one of the 
existing ones. Best to do it right, like modern masts are done.

On 2022-08-19 10:00 a.m., Matthew via CnC-List wrote:
> Another trick I have seen for noise reduction is to zip tie the wires 
> together at various intervals with zip ties that are too long and going in 
> various directions.  The zip tie "tails" fend the wires off the inside of the 
> mast.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 9:18 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Leeward Rail ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?
>
> FWIW, I believe the conduit size in our mast is 1" ID.  I pulled all new 
> 16gage wires in when I replaced the lights with LED style.
> Windex (2 wires)
> Tricolor (2 wires)
> Steaming/deck light combo (3 wires)
> VHF cable
> Removed the wind instrument cable because I have TickTick wireless.  Pulled 
> in a better VHF cable, which turned out thinner than the 1989 one.  There is 
> room for another cable for TV or WiFi booster or FLIR or something, but I 
> prefer to keep the rig light.
>
> Marinebeam.com has some reasonably priced fixtures.  I got their two 
> wire masttop Tricolor/anchor/strobe light.  
> https://store.marinebeam.com/smart-led-tri-color-anchor-light-and-stro
> be/
>
> My only regret is I didn't pull in a pull string for future.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R
>
>
>
>> On 08/19/2022 8:32 AM Leeward Rail via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>
>>   
>> Vhf coax LMR400UF
>> Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some 
>> other large low loss cable like LMR400 Steaming light Anchor light 
>> Decklight.
>>
>> One day may have wind instruments
>>
>> Bigger is easier when fishing wire.
>>
>> Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same effort?
>>
>>
>> Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :
>>
>>> I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems 
>>> pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
>>> what all you got going on up there?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff Nelson
>>> Muir Caileag
>>> C 30 - 549
>>> Armdale Y.C.
>>>
>>> On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the 
>>>> conduit
>>>>
>>>> Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the 
>>>> way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would get 
>>>> in the way ?
>>>>
>>>> I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List]

The problem with that trick is the wires are now a bundle and would need 
to be removed together if you wanted to add another wire or replace one 
of the existing ones. Best to do it right, like modern masts are done.


On 2022-08-19 10:00 a.m., Matthew via CnC-List wrote:

Another trick I have seen for noise reduction is to zip tie the wires together at various 
intervals with zip ties that are too long and going in various directions.  The zip tie 
"tails" fend the wires off the inside of the mast.

-Original Message-
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 9:18 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Leeward Rail ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

FWIW, I believe the conduit size in our mast is 1" ID.  I pulled all new 16gage 
wires in when I replaced the lights with LED style.
Windex (2 wires)
Tricolor (2 wires)
Steaming/deck light combo (3 wires)
VHF cable
Removed the wind instrument cable because I have TickTick wireless.  Pulled in 
a better VHF cable, which turned out thinner than the 1989 one.  There is room 
for another cable for TV or WiFi booster or FLIR or something, but I prefer to 
keep the rig light.

Marinebeam.com has some reasonably priced fixtures.  I got their two wire 
masttop Tricolor/anchor/strobe light.  
https://store.marinebeam.com/smart-led-tri-color-anchor-light-and-strobe/

My only regret is I didn't pull in a pull string for future.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R




On 08/19/2022 8:32 AM Leeward Rail via CnC-List  wrote:

  
Vhf coax LMR400UF

Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some
other large low loss cable like LMR400 Steaming light Anchor light
Decklight.

One day may have wind instruments

Bigger is easier when fishing wire.

Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same effort?


Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :


I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems pretty 
big for 5 - 7 wires...
what all you got going on up there?

--
Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C 30 - 549
Armdale Y.C.

On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:

Hello All,

I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.

Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the
conduit

Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the way to 
the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would get in the way ?

I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.

Thanks!

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Another trick I have seen for noise reduction is to zip tie the wires together 
at various intervals with zip ties that are too long and going in various 
directions.  The zip tie "tails" fend the wires off the inside of the mast.

-Original Message-
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 9:18 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Leeward Rail ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

FWIW, I believe the conduit size in our mast is 1" ID.  I pulled all new 16gage 
wires in when I replaced the lights with LED style.
Windex (2 wires)
Tricolor (2 wires)
Steaming/deck light combo (3 wires)
VHF cable
Removed the wind instrument cable because I have TickTick wireless.  Pulled in 
a better VHF cable, which turned out thinner than the 1989 one.  There is room 
for another cable for TV or WiFi booster or FLIR or something, but I prefer to 
keep the rig light. 

Marinebeam.com has some reasonably priced fixtures.  I got their two wire 
masttop Tricolor/anchor/strobe light.  
https://store.marinebeam.com/smart-led-tri-color-anchor-light-and-strobe/

My only regret is I didn't pull in a pull string for future.  

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R



> On 08/19/2022 8:32 AM Leeward Rail via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
>  
> Vhf coax LMR400UF
> Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some 
> other large low loss cable like LMR400 Steaming light Anchor light 
> Decklight.
> 
> One day may have wind instruments
> 
> Bigger is easier when fishing wire.
> 
> Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same effort?
> 
> 
> Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :
> 
> > I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems 
> > pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
> > what all you got going on up there?
> > 
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >Jeff Nelson
> >Muir Caileag
> >C 30 - 549
> >Armdale Y.C.
> > 
> > On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >> 
> >> I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the 
> >> conduit
> >> 
> >> Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the 
> >> way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would get 
> >> in the way ?
> >> 
> >> I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
> >> 
> >> Thanks!

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

When I rewired my mast I used 2 1inch conduits. One only went to the
spreaders, the other was full length. One mistake I did was to use duplex
wire for the lights. The sheathing took up too much room. But I don't have
any slapping.

Doug Mountjoy
C Landfall 39 1988
Sabre 34 1983


On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 06:00 Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The larger the conduit the more chance the cables will slap around
> inside it, which will annoy you all night long.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jeff Nelson
> Muir Caileag
> C 30 - 549
> Armdale Y.C.
>
> On 2022-08-19 09:32, Leeward Rail via CnC-List wrote:
> > Vhf coax LMR400UF
> > Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some other
> large low loss cable like LMR400
> > Steaming light
> > Anchor light
> > Decklight.
> >
> > One day may have wind instruments
> >
> > Bigger is easier when fishing wire.
> >
> > Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same
> effort?
> >
> >
> > Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>:
> >
> >> I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches
> seems pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
> >> what all you got going on up there?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jeff Nelson
> >> Muir Caileag
> >> C 30 - 549
> >> Armdale Y.C.
> >>
> >> On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the
> conduit
> >>>
> >>> Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all
> the way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would
> get in the way ?
> >>>
> >>> I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks !
>
> --
> Cheers,
>Jeff Nelson
>Muir Caileag
>C 30 - 549
>Armdale Y.C.
>

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

You have to cut that VHF cable to length anyway, so I pulled mine from the top 
down (no connector) and cut the cable inside the boat where I crimped on a new 
Shakespear connector.

C  


> On 08/19/2022 9:29 AM Leeward Rail via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
>  
> Correct.
> 
> In this case the LMR400U is 1/2" dia and has connectors already installed 
> which are bigger. 2 runs of ultra low loss coax could end up being 1" alone.. 
> Then all the other wiring on top of that.
> 
> Aug. 19, 2022 8:01:12 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :
> 
> > The larger the conduit the more chance the cables will slap around inside 
> > it, which will annoy you all night long.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Cheers,
> >    Jeff Nelson
> >    Muir Caileag
> >    C 30 - 549
> >    Armdale Y.C.
> > 
> > On 2022-08-19 09:32, Leeward Rail via CnC-List wrote:
> >> Vhf coax LMR400UF
> >> Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some other 
> >> large low loss cable like LMR400
> >> Steaming light
> >> Anchor light
> >> Decklight.
> >> 
> >> One day may have wind instruments
> >> 
> >> Bigger is easier when fishing wire.
> >> 
> >> Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same 
> >> effort?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
> >> :
> >> 
> >>> I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems 
> >>> pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
> >>> what all you got going on up there?
> >>> 
> >>> -- Cheers,
> >>>    Jeff Nelson
> >>>    Muir Caileag
> >>>    C 30 - 549
> >>>    Armdale Y.C.
> >>> 
> >>> On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
>  Hello All,
>  
>  I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
>  
>  Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the conduit
>  
>  Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the 
>  way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would 
>  get in the way ?
>  
>  I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
>  
>  Thanks !
> > 
> > -- 
> > Cheers,
> >    Jeff Nelson
> >    Muir Caileag
> >    C 30 - 549
> >    Armdale Y.C.

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

You're right.  That's a better method.  Self-drilling screws.  The kind with 
their own drill bit tip.  Just set the drill clutch really low.

C

> On 08/19/2022 9:24 AM Leeward Rail via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yup. That is the usual way.  Using a self tapping screw is similar.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Aug. 19, 2022 8:21:18 a.m. CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> :
> 
> > > Video of mast conduit install:
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avZHRIb7sJk
> > 
> > C
> > 
> > > > > On 08/19/2022 9:02 AM Nathan Post via 
> > CnC-List  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you have internal halyards then you will need to leave 
> > > clearance at the halyard exits (and near the top of the mast to make sure 
> > > the halyards will not chafe on the end of the conduit (good idea to 
> > > smooth/round the top of the conduit before you stick it in.  Also the 
> > > conduit has to fit past the compression tubes where the stays attach.  I 
> > > think I used 1-1/2 in the back to the top of the mast and 1-1/4 in the 
> > > front to the spreaders when I did my mast on my 34'  With larger size 
> > > coax and conductors it does fill up pretty quick and the pop rivets I 
> > > used leave a pin sticking into the conduit space so it is a good idea to 
> > > go larger if you can within reason.  I am pretty sure that more than 
> > > 1-1/2 wouldn't have worked well with my internal halyards as some of them 
> > > exit toward the back of the mast. It can be a real challenge to rivet it 
> > > in place.  I ended up having to drill two holes a few inches apart along 
> > > the mast next to each other and used a self tapping screw to tem
 porarily pull the conduit to the side of the mast before riveting the other.  
Then remove the screw and put in a second rivet.
> > > 
> > > Nathan
> > > S/V Wisper
> > > C 34
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Leeward Rail via CnC-List]

Correct.

In this case the LMR400U is 1/2" dia and has connectors already installed which 
are bigger. 2 runs of ultra low loss coax could end up being 1" alone.. Then 
all the other wiring on top of that.

Aug. 19, 2022 8:01:12 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :

> The larger the conduit the more chance the cables will slap around inside it, 
> which will annoy you all night long.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
>    Jeff Nelson
>    Muir Caileag
>    C 30 - 549
>    Armdale Y.C.
> 
> On 2022-08-19 09:32, Leeward Rail via CnC-List wrote:
>> Vhf coax LMR400UF
>> Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some other 
>> large low loss cable like LMR400
>> Steaming light
>> Anchor light
>> Decklight.
>> 
>> One day may have wind instruments
>> 
>> Bigger is easier when fishing wire.
>> 
>> Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same effort?
>> 
>> 
>> Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :
>> 
>>> I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems 
>>> pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
>>> what all you got going on up there?
>>> 
>>> -- Cheers,
>>>    Jeff Nelson
>>>    Muir Caileag
>>>    C 30 - 549
>>>    Armdale Y.C.
>>> 
>>> On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
 Hello All,
 
 I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
 
 Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the conduit
 
 Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the 
 way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would get 
 in the way ?
 
 I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
 
 Thanks !
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
>    Jeff Nelson
>    Muir Caileag
>    C 30 - 549
>    Armdale Y.C.

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Leeward Rail via CnC-List]

Yup. That is the usual way.  Using a self tapping screw is similar.

Thanks!

Aug. 19, 2022 8:21:18 a.m. CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
:

> Video of mast conduit install:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avZHRIb7sJk
> 
> C
> On 08/19/2022 9:02 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you have internal halyards then you will need to leave clearance at the 
> halyard exits (and near the top of the mast to make sure the halyards will 
> not chafe on the end of the conduit (good idea to smooth/round the top of the 
> conduit before you stick it in.  Also the conduit has to fit past the 
> compression tubes where the stays attach.  I think I used 1-1/2 in the back 
> to the top of the mast and 1-1/4 in the front to the spreaders when I did my 
> mast on my 34'  With larger size coax and conductors it does fill up pretty 
> quick and the pop rivets I used leave a pin sticking into the conduit space 
> so it is a good idea to go larger if you can within reason.  I am pretty sure 
> that more than 1-1/2 wouldn't have worked well with my internal halyards as 
> some of them exit toward the back of the mast. It can be a real challenge to 
> rivet it in place.  I ended up having to drill two holes a few inches apart 
> along the mast next to each other and used a self tapping screw to 
> temporarily pull the conduit to the side of the mast before riveting the 
> other.  Then remove the screw and put in a second rivet.
> 
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> C 34

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Leeward Rail via CnC-List]

Awesome info Nathan.

Yeah. 2 runs of coax with the connectors already installed will make it tight. 
LMR400 is already 1/2"  I had not considered running 2 conduit up the mast. Hmm.

I was hoping  to run a single one at the front and drill holes into the conduit 
where the Steaming and deck light wiring holes are.

Compression tubes are what I saw then!  I vague remember seeing something up 
there when I was removing 8.5 feet of spray foam that some previous owner had 
put in from goose neck to maststep.  (2 inch pipe with the end   cut like a 
hole saw and a lot of struggle got it out)

I am heading to  marina today to see what is what and I figure I will just get 
the conduit on the next trip.

Your method of conduit install should work better then making a hook and  like 
riggers do. We shall see.

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Video of mast conduit install:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avZHRIb7sJk

C

> On 08/19/2022 9:02 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If you have internal halyards then you will need to leave clearance at 
> the halyard exits (and near the top of the mast to make sure the halyards 
> will not chafe on the end of the conduit (good idea to smooth/round the top 
> of the conduit before you stick it in.  Also the conduit has to fit past the 
> compression tubes where the stays attach.  I think I used 1-1/2 in the back 
> to the top of the mast and 1-1/4 in the front to the spreaders when I did my 
> mast on my 34'  With larger size coax and conductors it does fill up pretty 
> quick and the pop rivets I used leave a pin sticking into the conduit space 
> so it is a good idea to go larger if you can within reason.  I am pretty sure 
> that more than 1-1/2 wouldn't have worked well with my internal halyards as 
> some of them exit toward the back of the mast. It can be a real challenge to 
> rivet it in place.  I ended up having to drill two holes a few inches apart 
> along the mast next to each other and used a self tapping screw to 
> temporarily pul
 l the conduit to the side of the mast before riveting the other.  Then remove 
the screw and put in a second rivet.
> 
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> C 34
> 

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

FWIW, I believe the conduit size in our mast is 1" ID.  I pulled all new 16gage 
wires in when I replaced the lights with LED style.
Windex (2 wires)
Tricolor (2 wires)
Steaming/deck light combo (3 wires)
VHF cable
Removed the wind instrument cable because I have TickTick wireless.  Pulled in 
a better VHF cable, which turned out thinner than the 1989 one.  There is room 
for another cable for TV or WiFi booster or FLIR or something, but I prefer to 
keep the rig light. 

Marinebeam.com has some reasonably priced fixtures.  I got their two wire 
masttop Tricolor/anchor/strobe light.  
https://store.marinebeam.com/smart-led-tri-color-anchor-light-and-strobe/

My only regret is I didn't pull in a pull string for future.  

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R



> On 08/19/2022 8:32 AM Leeward Rail via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
>  
> Vhf coax LMR400UF
> Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some other 
> large low loss cable like LMR400
> Steaming light
> Anchor light
> Decklight.
> 
> One day may have wind instruments
> 
> Bigger is easier when fishing wire.
> 
> Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same effort?
> 
> 
> Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :
> 
> > I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems 
> > pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
> > what all you got going on up there?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Cheers,
> >    Jeff Nelson
> >    Muir Caileag
> >    C 30 - 549
> >    Armdale Y.C.
> > 
> > On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >> 
> >> I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the conduit
> >> 
> >> Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the 
> >> way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would get 
> >> in the way ?
> >> 
> >> I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
> >> 
> >> Thanks !

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

If you have internal halyards then you will need to leave clearance at the
halyard exits (and near the top of the mast to make sure the halyards will
not chafe on the end of the conduit (good idea to smooth/round the top of
the conduit before you stick it in.  Also the conduit has to fit past the
compression tubes where the stays attach.  I think I used 1-1/2 in the back
to the top of the mast and 1-1/4 in the front to the spreaders when I did
my mast on my 34'  With larger size coax and conductors it does fill up
pretty quick and the pop rivets I used leave a pin sticking into the
conduit space so it is a good idea to go larger if you can within reason.
I am pretty sure that more than 1-1/2 wouldn't have worked well with my
internal halyards as some of them exit toward the back of the mast. It can
be a real challenge to rivet it in place.  I ended up having to drill two
holes a few inches apart along the mast next to each other and used a self
tapping screw to temporarily pull the conduit to the side of the mast
before riveting the other.  Then remove the screw and put in a second rivet.

Nathan
S/V Wisper
C 34

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

The larger the conduit the more chance the cables will slap around 
inside it, which will annoy you all night long.


--
Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   C 30 - 549
   Armdale Y.C.

On 2022-08-19 09:32, Leeward Rail via CnC-List wrote:

Vhf coax LMR400UF
Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some other large 
low loss cable like LMR400
Steaming light
Anchor light
Decklight.

One day may have wind instruments

Bigger is easier when fishing wire.

Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same effort?


Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :


I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems pretty 
big for 5 - 7 wires...
what all you got going on up there?

--
Cheers,
    Jeff Nelson
    Muir Caileag
    C 30 - 549
    Armdale Y.C.

On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:

Hello All,

I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.

Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the conduit

Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the way to 
the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would get in the way ?

I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.

Thanks !


--
Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Leeward Rail via CnC-List]

Vhf coax LMR400UF
Cell booster antenna with coax of some unknown size... Likely some other large 
low loss cable like LMR400
Steaming light
Anchor light
Decklight.

One day may have wind instruments

Bigger is easier when fishing wire.

Why undersize it when it costs virtually the same and takes the same effort?


Aug. 19, 2022 7:14:47 a.m. Jeff Nelson via CnC-List :

> I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems 
> pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...
> what all you got going on up there?
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
>    Jeff Nelson
>    Muir Caileag
>    C 30 - 549
>    Armdale Y.C.
> 
> On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.
>> 
>> Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the conduit
>> 
>> Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all the way 
>> to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that would get in the 
>> way ?
>> 
>> I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.
>> 
>> Thanks !

Stus-List Re: Conduit Size for C 30 Mark 1 ?

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

I do not believe there are any obstructions.  That said 1.5 inches seems 
pretty big for 5 - 7 wires...

what all you got going on up there?

--
Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2022-08-18 14:17, leewardrail hotmail via CnC-List wrote:

Hello All,

I am planning to install conduit in the mast of our 30 Mark 1.

Unfortunately I am hours away from the boat, and need to buy the conduit

Would 1.5" PVC Conduit fit ?  Would 1.5" run without obstruction all 
the way to the masthead, or is there something at the spreader that 
would get in the way ?


I prefer 1 1/2"   1 1/4" is about the minimum I would want to use.

Thanks !

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Unusual C for sale

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Wow – that isn’t a typo, that is a real C!

This vessel was designed by the Canadian Navy to assist in the moving the 
Admiral and the crew to and from warships and transport goods and services.  
Yacht builder C from Canada did a heavy layup of fiberglass to make this 
vessel super stable and strong for it's mission.

Joe

From: Doug via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:50 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Doug 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Unusual C for sale

How about this Captains launch?

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1982-c$c-admiral's-launch-7632142/



Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C & C Landfall 39
Port Orchard Yacht Club
+1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp
+52 669-267-4740 phone


 Original message 
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 5/11/22 07:33 (GMT-07:00)
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
Subject: Stus-List Unusual C for sale

I had no idea they made holding tank pumpout boats, but apparently they did or 
someone made a typo:

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2002-c$c-pumpout-boat-7322319/

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List Re: found on eBay - C logo'd mainsail cover

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

I could use that

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 12:26 PM andrew macLean via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> C WHITE BOOM SAIL COVER 32" x 16 FEET
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/373893214268?hash=item570dc5b03c:g:BgcAAOSwmyNhPOZE
>
>
>
> I saw this on eBay and thought I'd repost it here. Wondered if a lister
> may be interested?
>
>
>
> Andrew MacLean
>
> C 30-1
>
> Gulf Islands BC Canada
>
-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
Impress your crew and dock mates with a personalized C galley cutting board:
cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards

Stus-List Re: Long shot: replacement C 36-1 anchor locker hatch/cover

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

What Bill said, except "wax the shit out of it" instead of grease. Apply 
gelcoat, then fiberglass and resin (polystyrene) to make the mold. Then 
do the same thing with the mold to make the part.  I don't know if this 
process works for epoxy resins or not but that is how they used to do it 
at a local company that made classic car replicas here in the late 
1970s.


Steve Thomas
C MKIII 1978
C MKI   1980
PS There are lots of specific products for mold making and mold release 
on the market now. I am no expert. Here is one article on making molds 
for boat building which may contain some useful pointers.

https://www.bottompaintstore.com/blog/gelcoat/how-to-make-a-fiberglass-mold/
-- Original Message --
   From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: colt...@gmail.com
   Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 10:58 AM
   Subject: Stus-List Re: Long shot: replacement C 36-1 anchor locker 
hatch/cover





Back around 1970, I damaged my left front fender (’61 MKII Jag) and as 
there were not many spare fenders sitting around, I used my brothers 58 
for a pattern. I think I wiped some grease on his, and laid several 
layers of fiberglass, then peeled it off and buffed his fender off. And 
Bob was my uncle, and brother too.


Find another 36 to borrow the lid, you could make a female pattern and 
make your final off that.


Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA



From: Wyatt via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
 Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 8:30 AM
 To: Stus-List
 Cc: Wyatt
 Subject: Stus-List Long shot: replacement C 36-1 anchor locker 
hatch/cover



Hi all, so the hinges on my anchor locker failed in a rough sea state 
and I lost it unfortunately (1979 C 36-1)…anyone have a lead on 
where I could find a replacement? Otherwise looking at crafting one out 
of marine plywood and fiberglass.





Thanks!


Wyatt

Stus-List Re: Long shot: replacement C 36-1 anchor locker hatch/cover

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Back around 1970, I damaged my left front fender (’61 MKII Jag) and as there 
were not many spare fenders sitting around, I used my brothers 58 for a 
pattern. I think I wiped some grease on his, and laid several layers of 
fiberglass, then peeled it off and buffed his fender off. And Bob was my uncle, 
and brother too.

 

Find another 36 to borrow the lid, you could make a female pattern and make 
your final off that.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

From: Wyatt via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 8:30 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Wyatt
Subject: Stus-List Long shot: replacement C 36-1 anchor locker hatch/cover

 

Hi all, so the hinges on my anchor locker failed in a rough sea state and I 
lost it unfortunately (1979 C 36-1)…anyone have a lead on where I could 
find a replacement? Otherwise looking at crafting one out of marine plywood and 
fiberglass.

 

Thanks!

Wyatt

Stus-List Re: Long shot: replacement C 36-1 anchor locker hatch/cover

[John Read via CnC-List]

C custom logoed kitchen/galley cutting boards are now available at:
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards/index.htm

Wyatt

Your question is how to replace the lost anchor locker hatch on your 36-1?

Where are you located?  A marine salvage yard would be a good place to start
looking.  Have had good experience with Mass Maritime in Quincy,MA.  Google
search discloses a bunch of others all over the country.

John Read
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

Stus-List Re: Sails for 1978 C 29

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

I’m interested in the Main/#5; if for a MK II. 
Tom
Therapy 
Annapolis 

> On 12/23/21 2:37 PM, onno boswinkel via CnC-List wrote:
>>  They haven't been used since 1991 and they're free, except you pay the 
>> actual shipping cost.
>> 1. 150% mylar, North, 1984
>> 2. 150% dacron, Shore, 1977
>> 3. 130% dacron, Thurston, 1985
>> 4. 90% dacron, Shore, 1977
>> 5. Main dacron, North, 1984
>> 6. Main dacron, Shore, 1977
>> 
>> Onno Boswinkel
>> ANTIDOTE
>> C mk II
>> Wickford, RI
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Sails for 1978 C 29

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Those for a C 29 MkI?  If so I am interested.

On 12/23/21 2:37 PM, onno boswinkel via CnC-List wrote:
 They haven't been used since 1991 and they're free, except you pay 
the actual shipping cost.

1. 150% mylar, North, 1984
2. 150% dacron, Shore, 1977
3. 130% dacron, Thurston, 1985
4. 90% dacron, Shore, 1977
5. Main dacron, North, 1984
6. Main dacron, Shore, 1977

Onno Boswinkel
ANTIDOTE
C mk II
Wickford, RI


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Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

When and where can I get the strut

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 10:08 AM colin binkley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes  Andrew!!  That would be very kind of you. No rushwinter fast
> approaching.
> colinbink...@yahoo.com would be best for photos.
>   Perhaps you could lay a tape measure beside it for photos when you get
> to it.
>   I really appreciate the offer!
> Fair Winds, Colin
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 7:36 AM, andrew macLean via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Do you have any photos that you could link to?
>
> Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch
> handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> On Sep 27, 2021, at 9:45 am, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any
> guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?
>
> Boat is in Ontario Canada!
> Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.
> Boom and Spin pole
> Harken RF for 36 ft vessel
> All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny
> Lead keel 4000lbs
> Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.
> Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass
> Steel Rudder
> Plus all rigging and blocks.
>
> Appreciate your feedback.
>
>
> CHEERS
> Jim Lockhart
> Regional Sales Manager Central Canada
> 
> 519-697-8567
> j.lockh...@saltosystems.com
> http://www.saltosystems.com
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Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

[colin binkley via CnC-List]

Thank you very much Andrew.. Kind of you. colinbink...@yahoo.com for photos 
when you have a chance.   No rush. Winter fast approaching me. Fair Winds, Colin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 10:08 AM, colin binkley 
 wrote:

Yes  Andrew!!  That would be very kind of you. No rushwinter fast 
approaching. colinbink...@yahoo.com would be best for photos.   Perhaps you 
could lay a tape measure beside it for photos when you get to it.   I really 
appreciate the offer!Fair Winds, Colin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 7:36 AM, andrew macLean via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Jim, 
Do you have any photos that you could link to?
Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch 
handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.
Thanks,Andrew


On Sep 27, 2021, at 9:45 am, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List  
wrote:

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parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any guidance or 
suggestions best way to do through your group? 
Boat is in Ontario Canada!Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.Boom 
and Spin poleHarken RF for 36 ft vesselAll sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, 
second hank on)  one gennyLead keel 4000lbsBarlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) 
all in good working order.Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle 
compassSteel RudderPlus all rigging and blocks. 
Appreciate your feedback. 
 
CHEERSJim LockhartRegional Sales Manager Central 
Canada519-697-8567j.lockhart@saltosystems.comhttp://www.saltosystems.comSALTO
 is a Commander in the 2021 Access Control Index Read the report here 
.   
 

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Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

[colin binkley via CnC-List]

Yes  Andrew!!  That would be very kind of you. No rushwinter fast 
approaching. colinbink...@yahoo.com would be best for photos.   Perhaps you 
could lay a tape measure beside it for photos when you get to it.   I really 
appreciate the offer!Fair Winds, Colin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 7:36 AM, andrew macLean via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Jim, 
Do you have any photos that you could link to?
Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch 
handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.
Thanks,Andrew


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parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any guidance or 
suggestions best way to do through your group? 
Boat is in Ontario Canada!Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.Boom 
and Spin poleHarken RF for 36 ft vesselAll sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, 
second hank on)  one gennyLead keel 4000lbsBarlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) 
all in good working order.Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle 
compassSteel RudderPlus all rigging and blocks. 
Appreciate your feedback. 
 
CHEERSJim LockhartRegional Sales Manager Central 
Canada519-697-8567j.lockhart@saltosystems.comhttp://www.saltosystems.comSALTO
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[andrew macLean via CnC-List]

Hi Colin, 

I have the horseshoe shaped device for the vang on my boat. I’m not wanting to 
sell mine, but can, next time I have the sails up, see if I can get some photos 
and maybe measurements you could take to a fabricator. Would that be helpful?

Andrew

> On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:12 pm, colin binkley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does it have a rolling boom? If so do you have the horseshoe looking device 
> that used with boom bang? Thank You 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
> 
> On Monday, September 27, 2021, 7:31 PM, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yes I believe so on Dia, yes is in good shape. Will double check and send 
> some photos later. Still has two blade prop. 
> 
> IS just more work than I bargained on when I bought her. Thought I could do 
> it! I want to be sailing not rebuilding.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> JIm
> 
>  
> From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
> Sent: September 27, 2021 1:22 PM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Joel Delamirande  <mailto:joel.delamira...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate
> 
>  
> Is the strut and propeller shaft 1” and is it good condition 
> 
> What happened to your boat
> 
>  
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 1:19 PM Matthew via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> I am interested in teak molding.  Will that be parted out as well?
> 
>  
> From: Jim Lockhart via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 12:46 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Jim Lockhart  <mailto:j.lockh...@saltosystems.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List parting out 1972 C frigate
> 
>  
> Hello 
> 
> I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any 
> guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?
> 
>  
> Boat is in Ontario Canada!
> 
> Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.
> 
> Boom and Spin pole
> 
> Harken RF for 36 ft vessel
> 
> All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny
> 
> Lead keel 4000lbs
> 
> Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.
> 
> Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass
> 
> Steel Rudder
> 
> Plus all rigging and blocks.
> 
>  
> Appreciate your feedback.
> 
>  
>  
> CHEERS
> 
> Jim Lockhart
> 
> Regional Sales Manager Central Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 519-697-8567
> 
> j.lockh...@saltosystems.com <mailto:j.lockh...@saltosystems.com>
> http://www.saltosystems.com <http://www.saltosystems.com/>
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[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

E-Bay for smaller / shippable stuff...

Graham Collins
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On 2021-09-27 1:45 p.m., Jim Lockhart via CnC-List wrote:


Hello

I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any 
guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?


Boat is in Ontario Canada!

Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.

Boom and Spin pole

Harken RF for 36 ft vessel

All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny

Lead keel 4000lbs

Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.

Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass

Steel Rudder

Plus all rigging and blocks.

Appreciate your feedback.

CHEERS

Jim Lockhart

Regional Sales Manager Central Canada

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519-697-8567

j.lockh...@saltosystems.com 

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[colin binkley via CnC-List]

Does it have a rolling boom? If so do you have the horseshoe looking device 
that used with boom bang? Thank You 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, September 27, 2021, 7:31 PM, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Yes I believe so on Dia, yes is in good shape. Will double check and send some 
photos later. Still has two blade prop. 

IS just more work than I bargained on when I bought her. Thought I could do it! 
I want to be sailing not rebuilding.

Cheers

JIm

 

From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List  
Sent: September 27, 2021 1:22 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

 

Is the strut and propeller shaft 1” and is it good condition 

What happened to your boat

 

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 1:19 PM Matthew via CnC-List  
wrote:


I am interested in teak molding.  Will that be parted out as well?

 

From: Jim Lockhart via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 12:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jim Lockhart 
Subject: Stus-List parting out 1972 C frigate

 

Hello 

I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any guidance 
or suggestions best way to do through your group?

 

Boat is in Ontario Canada!

Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.

Boom and Spin pole

Harken RF for 36 ft vessel

All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny

Lead keel 4000lbs

Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.

Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass

Steel Rudder

Plus all rigging and blocks.

 

Appreciate your feedback.

 

 

CHEERS

Jim Lockhart

Regional Sales Manager Central Canada



519-697-8567

j.lockh...@saltosystems.com

http://www.saltosystems.com

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Read the report here

 

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[Jim Lockhart via CnC-List]

Well Set up some photos shortly.

No she did not have an in boom furler.

Cheers

Jim



*From:* andrew macLean 
*Sent:* September 27, 2021 2:00 PM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Jim Lockhart 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List parting out 1972 C frigate



Hi Jim,



Do you have any photos that you could link to?



Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch
handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.



Thanks,

Andrew



On Sep 27, 2021, at 9:45 am, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Hello

I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any
guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?



Boat is in Ontario Canada!

Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.

Boom and Spin pole

Harken RF for 36 ft vessel

All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny

Lead keel 4000lbs

Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.

Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass

Steel Rudder

Plus all rigging and blocks.



Appreciate your feedback.





CHEERS

Jim Lockhart

Regional Sales Manager Central Canada



519-697-8567

j.lockh...@saltosystems.com

http://www.saltosystems.com

SALTO is a Commander in the 2021 Access Control Index

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[andrew macLean via CnC-List]

Hi Jim, 

Do you have any photos that you could link to?

Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch 
handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.

Thanks,
Andrew

> On Sep 27, 2021, at 9:45 am, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any 
> guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?
>  
> Boat is in Ontario Canada!
> Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.
> Boom and Spin pole
> Harken RF for 36 ft vessel
> All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny
> Lead keel 4000lbs
> Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.
> Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass
> Steel Rudder
> Plus all rigging and blocks.
>  
> Appreciate your feedback.
>  
>  
> CHEERS
> Jim Lockhart
> Regional Sales Manager Central Canada
> 
> 519-697-8567
> j.lockh...@saltosystems.com 
> http://www.saltosystems.com 
> SALTO is a Commander in the 2021 Access Control Index 
> Read the report here 
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> . 
>  
>  
> 
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[Jim Lockhart via CnC-List]

Yes I believe so on Dia, yes is in good shape. Will double check and send
some photos later. Still has two blade prop.

IS just more work than I bargained on when I bought her. Thought I could do
it! I want to be sailing not rebuilding.

Cheers

JIm



*From:* Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
*Sent:* September 27, 2021 1:22 PM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Joel Delamirande 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate



Is the strut and propeller shaft 1” and is it good condition

What happened to your boat



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 1:19 PM Matthew via CnC-List 
wrote:

I am interested in teak molding.  Will that be parted out as well?



*From:* Jim Lockhart via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2021 12:46 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Jim Lockhart 
*Subject:* Stus-List parting out 1972 C frigate



Hello

I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any
guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?



Boat is in Ontario Canada!

Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.

Boom and Spin pole

Harken RF for 36 ft vessel

All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny

Lead keel 4000lbs

Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.

Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass

Steel Rudder

Plus all rigging and blocks.



Appreciate your feedback.





CHEERS

Jim Lockhart

Regional Sales Manager Central Canada

[image: salto logo fondo blanco]

519-697-8567

j.lockh...@saltosystems.com

http://www.saltosystems.com

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Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

[Jim Lockhart via CnC-List]

Yes just going to tear her apart. The toe rails have some rot. All interior
pieces (above floorboards) are in good shape will send you pictures.

IS there something in particular you are hoping for?



Cheers



Jim



*From:* Matthew via CnC-List 
*Sent:* September 27, 2021 1:19 PM
*To:* 'Stus-List' 
*Cc:* Matthew 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate



I am interested in teak molding.  Will that be parted out as well?



*From:* Jim Lockhart via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2021 12:46 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Jim Lockhart 
*Subject:* Stus-List parting out 1972 C frigate



Hello

I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any
guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?



Boat is in Ontario Canada!

Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.

Boom and Spin pole

Harken RF for 36 ft vessel

All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny

Lead keel 4000lbs

Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.

Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass

Steel Rudder

Plus all rigging and blocks.



Appreciate your feedback.





CHEERS

Jim Lockhart

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