Stus-List Re: Question and info

[Jonathan Tebbens via CnC-List]

Hi Matt, I've found these spiral clips at local bearing and seal shop. Took
in one of the old (non-stainless) and they ordered in what I wanted within
a couple days. Since the manufacturer order min was some silly number, they
ordered me 3 "samples".
Jon Tebbens
78 Mega 30
Katherine

On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, 20:24 Matthew Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers:
>
>
>
> Hope everyone is doing well.
>
>
>
> I have a question and a small project some of you may find
> of interest.  First, the question: does anyone know of a good source for
> stainless spiral retaining clips for winches (to hold the drum down)?  I
> have some Merriman Holbrook winches with missing retaining clips that have
> a 1.25 inch ID and 1.5 inch OD.  McMaster Carr sells them, but not the
> right size.  I have also seen some of the other style clips (that use a
> spanner wrench), but I like the spiral style better.  Please advise if you
> are aware of a good source for these.
>
>
>
> Second, I am in the middle of a relatively minor
> maintenance project some of you may find of interest.  Although I usually
> leave my mast up while the boat is winter-stored on the hard, this year I
> took it down to get access under the mast step for a keel-related issue
> this spring.  My mast is little over 60 feet long and weighs about 700
> pounds, and I had the crane lay it on four saw horses (rated at about 1250
> lbs per pair) for winter storage.  Last week we had a wind storm, and I
> checked on the mast to make sure everything was okay.  It was not okay.
> Either the wind pushed the mast over (including the saw horses) or someone
> hit one or more of the saw horses with a car.  I believe it was the former,
> as all four saw horses were laying on their sides, and the mast was on the
> ground.  I haven’t had the time to comprehensively inspect for damage, but
> on cursory review the mast appears to be no worse for the wear.  In
> hindsight, and assuming the wind pushed it over, I wish I would have used
> only two saw horses.  Distributing the 700 or so pounds over four saw
> horses likely made it easier for the wind to knock it over.
>
>
>
> I do not usually store the mast on saw horses and plan to
> never do so again.  Instead, the yacht club where I keep the boat has large
> styrofoam blocks for winter mast storage.  However, I came out of the water
> late this year, and all the blocks were taken.  After the recent saw horse
> incident, I decided to buy my own styrofoam blocks.  There is a place in
> Erie that sells them (expanded polystyrene, or EPS), and the sales rep
> asked what density I wanted.  I explained what I am using them for, and he
> said the lightest density (1 lb. per cubic foot) should work fine.  I
> wanted to order three blocks but was required to order a minimum of four
> (around $30 apiece).  When I got them down to the yacht club, it was
> obvious that the ones owned by the club are of a higher density.  (I’m
> guessing 2 lbs. pcf.)  Nevertheless, the ones I bought should work fine.  I
> also noticed, however, that my lighter density blocks damage much more
> easily than the heavier ones.  For example, while moving a block in place,
> a stay from the mast next to mine cut into the block like a hot knife
> through butter.  This was not good, and I can’t exchange my foam blocks for
> blocks with higher density, so I decided to paint my new blocks with that
> lobster buoy paint that was the topic of an e-mail string a little while
> back.  I ordered a gallon of yellow buoy paint so my blocks will be
> distinguishable and clearly visible.  While placing the order, I called the
> retailer (Hamilton Marine) and asked about coverage.  The rep didn’t know.
> (As it turns out, it’s a little less than a half-gallon to put two coats on
> one of my foam blocks.)  Curiously, when I asked about coverage, the rep
> said they get the paint from True Value (a hardware chain).  I don’t know
> what product True Value sells that is the same as lobster buoy paint, but
> it would be helpful to figure this out and buy locally.  In any event, I
> have now covered two blocks with two coats of paint and will be using them
> later this week for mast storage.  I’m hoping the yellow buoy paint will
> help them stand up to abuse.  I’ll let you know how it goes.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
> C 42 Custom
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[Frank Hrycin via CnC-List]

I need a new tank for my 38 the label on the tank was still on it from the 
manufacturer. 
I called them and they still had the blueprint for it I just ordered a new one.
I converted from gas to diesel so I had them install a return line as well.

Here is the link to the company https://miraxfuelproducts.com


> I think Aluminum is OK for diesel, I would also check industrial or 
> automotive metal tank fabricators.   
> I had a custom aluminum fuel tank made for a Lotus Europa years back and it 
> was easy to source and buy.  
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 10:42, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Here are a few I can think of
> 
> http://www.moellermarine.com/product-category/fuel-containment/permanent-fuel-tanks/
>  
> 
> https://www.virginiatank.com/ 
> https://www.plastic-mart.com/category/159/marine-holding-tanks 
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 11:31 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Listers:
> 
>  
> 
> Hope all is well.
> 
>  
> 
> First, I have a question.  A friend of mine who owns a C 41 
> (probably ‘80s vintage) discovered that his aluminum diesel tank is leaking.  
> He plans to pull it tomorrow to confirm.  I talked briefly with Bill Coleman 
> on this list, and he suggested replacing the aluminum tank with a plastic 
> tank.  Does anyone know a source for a plastic replacement diesel tank that 
> will fit this boat?  (I assume it’s about 20 gallons.)  Please advise.  
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> 
> Second, I thought I’d report on a recent discovery you may 
> find interesting.  As most of you know, my boat is a C 42 Custom, “Custom” 
> meaning that it was not a production run boat and was built in the Bruckmann 
> shop.  Six of these  “stick boats” were built in the mid ‘70s.  Every year 
> about this time of year, I get annoyed by a stubborn crack that appears near 
> the top of the forward edge of the keel, near the top where it meets the 
> hull.  As most of you understand, this is the front of the so-called C 
> smile.  On my boat, the C smile crack runs along the bottom of the hull 
> where the keel is mated, more or less parallel to the bottom of the hull (the 
> “main smile”).  However, I have a second C smile that starts at the forward 
> edge of the keel about four of five inches below the forward edge of the main 
> smile, then tapers up toward the bottom of the hull, eventually meeting the 
> main smile about 2/3 of the way back to the aft edge of the keel.  I never 
> understood why I get this “second smile.”
> 
>  
> 
> A few weeks ago some water was seeping out of the stubborn crack at the front 
> edge of the main smile, and I asked my guru to find out what the heck is 
> going on.  After some grinding and drilling, he informed me that my keel was 
> probably not made to fit my boat.  Instead, the keel from another boat was 
> adapted to fit my boat by creating a lead “wedge” piece (sort of like a big 
> shim) that is widest at the forward edge of the keel and tapers going aft.  
> This wedge fits between the top of the original keel and the hull, giving me 
> two mating seams and thus two C smiles.  Apparently, my boat is very happy.
> 
>  
> 
> Matt
> 
>  
> 
> Matt Wolford
> 
> C 42 Custom
> 
> Erie, PA   
> 
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[Dave S via CnC-List]

I think Aluminum is OK for diesel, I would also check industrial or
automotive metal tank fabricators.
I had a custom aluminum fuel tank made for a Lotus Europa years back and it
was easy to source and buy.

Dave




On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 10:42, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here are a few I can think of
>
>
> http://www.moellermarine.com/product-category/fuel-containment/permanent-fuel-tanks/
> https://www.virginiatank.com/ 
> https://www.plastic-mart.com/category/159/marine-holding-tanks
> Bill
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 11:31 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope all is well.
>>
>>
>>
>> First, I have a question.  A friend of mine who owns a
>> C 41 (probably ‘80s vintage) discovered that his aluminum diesel tank is
>> leaking.  He plans to pull it tomorrow to confirm.  I talked briefly with
>> Bill Coleman on this list, and he suggested replacing the aluminum tank
>> with a plastic tank.  Does anyone know a source for a plastic replacement
>> diesel tank that will fit this boat?  (I assume it’s about 20 gallons.)
>> Please advise.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Second, I thought I’d report on a recent discovery you
>> may find interesting.  As most of you know, my boat is a C 42 Custom,
>> “Custom” meaning that it was not a production run boat and was built in the
>> Bruckmann shop.  Six of these  “stick boats” were built in the mid ‘70s.
>> Every year about this time of year, I get annoyed by a stubborn crack that
>> appears near the top of the forward edge of the keel, near the top where it
>> meets the hull.  As most of you understand, this is the front of the
>> so-called C smile.  On my boat, the C smile crack runs along the bottom
>> of the hull where the keel is mated, more or less parallel to the bottom of
>> the hull (the “main smile”).  However, I have a second C smile that
>> starts at the forward edge of the keel about four of five inches below the
>> forward edge of the main smile, then tapers up toward the bottom of the
>> hull, eventually meeting the main smile about 2/3 of the way back to the
>> aft edge of the keel.  I never understood why I get this “second smile.”
>>
>>
>>
>> A few weeks ago some water was seeping out of the stubborn crack at the
>> front edge of the main smile, and I asked my guru to find out what the heck
>> is going on.  After some grinding and drilling, he informed me that my keel
>> was probably not made to fit my boat.  Instead, the keel from another boat
>> was adapted to fit my boat by creating a lead “wedge” piece (sort of like a
>> big shim) that is widest at the forward edge of the keel and tapers going
>> aft.  This wedge fits between the top of the original keel and the hull,
>> giving me two mating seams and thus two C smiles.  Apparently, my boat is
>> very happy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt Wolford
>>
>> C 42 Custom
>>
>> Erie, PA
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Stu
>>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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Stus-List Re: Question and Report

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Here are a few I can think of

http://www.moellermarine.com/product-category/fuel-containment/permanent-fuel-tanks/
https://www.virginiatank.com/ 
https://www.plastic-mart.com/category/159/marine-holding-tanks
Bill

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 11:31 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers:
>
>
>
> Hope all is well.
>
>
>
> First, I have a question.  A friend of mine who owns a C
> 41 (probably ‘80s vintage) discovered that his aluminum diesel tank is
> leaking.  He plans to pull it tomorrow to confirm.  I talked briefly with
> Bill Coleman on this list, and he suggested replacing the aluminum tank
> with a plastic tank.  Does anyone know a source for a plastic replacement
> diesel tank that will fit this boat?  (I assume it’s about 20 gallons.)
> Please advise.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Second, I thought I’d report on a recent discovery you may
> find interesting.  As most of you know, my boat is a C 42 Custom,
> “Custom” meaning that it was not a production run boat and was built in the
> Bruckmann shop.  Six of these  “stick boats” were built in the mid ‘70s.
> Every year about this time of year, I get annoyed by a stubborn crack that
> appears near the top of the forward edge of the keel, near the top where it
> meets the hull.  As most of you understand, this is the front of the
> so-called C smile.  On my boat, the C smile crack runs along the bottom
> of the hull where the keel is mated, more or less parallel to the bottom of
> the hull (the “main smile”).  However, I have a second C smile that
> starts at the forward edge of the keel about four of five inches below the
> forward edge of the main smile, then tapers up toward the bottom of the
> hull, eventually meeting the main smile about 2/3 of the way back to the
> aft edge of the keel.  I never understood why I get this “second smile.”
>
>
>
> A few weeks ago some water was seeping out of the stubborn crack at the
> front edge of the main smile, and I asked my guru to find out what the heck
> is going on.  After some grinding and drilling, he informed me that my keel
> was probably not made to fit my boat.  Instead, the keel from another boat
> was adapted to fit my boat by creating a lead “wedge” piece (sort of like a
> big shim) that is widest at the forward edge of the keel and tapers going
> aft.  This wedge fits between the top of the original keel and the hull,
> giving me two mating seams and thus two C smiles.  Apparently, my boat is
> very happy.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> Matt Wolford
>
> C 42 Custom
>
> Erie, PA
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: Question and Report

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Aging and leaking aluminum fuel tanks is an excellent topic!  Boats, even fresh 
water, that are 40 or more years old are very likely to experience aluminum 
fuel tank leaks.  In my case, the leak started over winter and about 7 gallons 
of fuel went out my garboard drain onto the ground.  Really bad.  Marina 
solution was to plug my drain, so diesel fuel started accumulating in the 
bilge.  I lived hundreds of miles from boat so a difficult situation.  I 
alerted marina that my bilge pump would soon start spewing diesel fuel out the 
side if they didn't drain my tank.  Long story short, don't let this disaster 
happen to you.

I ordered a Moeller plastic tank through West Marine, the lowest price by far 
at the time.  The old aluminum tank was 20 gallons and had no visible holes.  
The new Moeller, off the shelf tank is 19 gallons and almost exactly the same 
dimensions.  Slid the old aluminum tank out, slid the new tank in, replaced all 
fuel hoses, including fill hose, and no problems.

There are some, I believe, unsubstantiated concerns about plastic fuel tanks.  
In my opinion, plastic is superior -- doesn't corrode and the fuel level is 
visible through the wall of the tank.  Many boats, mine among them, have a 
problematic fuel gage.  Tried to fix when replacing tank, but decided it wasn't 
worth more time.  Just look at the tank.  Foolproof.

Jeff Laman
81 C Harmony
Ludington, MI

From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 8:15 AM
To: 'Stus-List' ; wolf...@erie.net 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question and Report


I replaced my fuel tank a few years ago as a precautionary measure to avoid pin 
hole leaks in mid-summer.  After much discussion was advised to have a new 
aluminum tank fabricated of aircraft grade material to match the old.  Main 
reasons to not use a plastic tank are they are supposedly designed for an open 
air situation, not permanently installed in the interior and are susceptible to 
rupture in a fire spilling fuel on the fire.  Yes cost more but peace of mind 
is priceless.



John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT



From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 11:31 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: wolf...@erie.net
Subject: Stus-List Question and Report



Listers:



Hope all is well.



First, I have a question.  A friend of mine who owns a C 41 
(probably ‘80s vintage) discovered that his aluminum diesel tank is leaking.  
He plans to pull it tomorrow to confirm.  I talked briefly with Bill Coleman on 
this list, and he suggested replacing the aluminum tank with a plastic tank.  
Does anyone know a source for a plastic replacement diesel tank that will fit 
this boat?  (I assume it’s about 20 gallons.)  Please advise.  Thanks.



Second, I thought I’d report on a recent discovery you may find 
interesting.  As most of you know, my boat is a C 42 Custom, “Custom” meaning 
that it was not a production run boat and was built in the Bruckmann shop.  Six 
of these  “stick boats” were built in the mid ‘70s.  Every year about this time 
of year, I get annoyed by a stubborn crack that appears near the top of the 
forward edge of the keel, near the top where it meets the hull.  As most of you 
understand, this is the front of the so-called C smile.  On my boat, the C 
smile crack runs along the bottom of the hull where the keel is mated, more or 
less parallel to the bottom of the hull (the “main smile”).  However, I have a 
second C smile that starts at the forward edge of the keel about four of five 
inches below the forward edge of the main smile, then tapers up toward the 
bottom of the hull, eventually meeting the main smile about 2/3 of the way back 
to the aft edge of the keel.  I never understood why I get this “second smile.”



A few weeks ago some water was seeping out of the stubborn crack at the front 
edge of the main smile, and I asked my guru to find out what the heck is going 
on.  After some grinding and drilling, he informed me that my keel was probably 
not made to fit my boat.  Instead, the keel from another boat was adapted to 
fit my boat by creating a lead “wedge” piece (sort of like a big shim) that is 
widest at the forward edge of the keel and tapers going aft.  This wedge fits 
between the top of the original keel and the hull, giving me two mating seams 
and thus two C smiles.  Apparently, my boat is very happy.



Matt



Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom

Erie, PA
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Stus-List Re: Question and Report

[John Read via CnC-List]

I replaced my fuel tank a few years ago as a precautionary measure to avoid pin 
hole leaks in mid-summer.  After much discussion was advised to have a new 
aluminum tank fabricated of aircraft grade material to match the old.  Main 
reasons to not use a plastic tank are they are supposedly designed for an open 
air situation, not permanently installed in the interior and are susceptible to 
rupture in a fire spilling fuel on the fire.  Yes cost more but peace of mind 
is priceless.

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 11:31 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: wolf...@erie.net
Subject: Stus-List Question and Report

 

Listers:

 

Hope all is well.

 

First, I have a question.  A friend of mine who owns a C 41 
(probably ‘80s vintage) discovered that his aluminum diesel tank is leaking.  
He plans to pull it tomorrow to confirm.  I talked briefly with Bill Coleman on 
this list, and he suggested replacing the aluminum tank with a plastic tank.  
Does anyone know a source for a plastic replacement diesel tank that will fit 
this boat?  (I assume it’s about 20 gallons.)  Please advise.  Thanks.

 

Second, I thought I’d report on a recent discovery you may find 
interesting.  As most of you know, my boat is a C 42 Custom, “Custom” meaning 
that it was not a production run boat and was built in the Bruckmann shop.  Six 
of these  “stick boats” were built in the mid ‘70s.  Every year about this time 
of year, I get annoyed by a stubborn crack that appears near the top of the 
forward edge of the keel, near the top where it meets the hull.  As most of you 
understand, this is the front of the so-called C smile.  On my boat, the C 
smile crack runs along the bottom of the hull where the keel is mated, more or 
less parallel to the bottom of the hull (the “main smile”).  However, I have a 
second C smile that starts at the forward edge of the keel about four of five 
inches below the forward edge of the main smile, then tapers up toward the 
bottom of the hull, eventually meeting the main smile about 2/3 of the way back 
to the aft edge of the keel.  I never understood why I get this “second smile.”

 

A few weeks ago some water was seeping out of the stubborn crack at the front 
edge of the main smile, and I asked my guru to find out what the heck is going 
on.  After some grinding and drilling, he informed me that my keel was probably 
not made to fit my boat.  Instead, the keel from another boat was adapted to 
fit my boat by creating a lead “wedge” piece (sort of like a big shim) that is 
widest at the forward edge of the keel and tapers going aft.  This wedge fits 
between the top of the original keel and the hull, giving me two mating seams 
and thus two C smiles.  Apparently, my boat is very happy.

 

Matt

 

Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom

Erie, PA   

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Stus-List Re: Question and Report

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Moeller Marine makes many different sized fuel tanks.  I would measure the area 
in the boat and pick a tank model that fits and then research the web for the 
best price.  All the marine suppliers sell them, West Marine, Defender, 
Go2Marine, etc.  
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=moeller+marine+plastic+permanent+fuel+tank=newext=v316-1=images=images=images
 
Chuck S
 
 

> On 05/08/2023 11:30 PM EDT Matt Wolford via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Listers:
> 
>  
> 
> Hope all is well.
> 
>  
> 
> First, I have a question.  A friend of mine who owns a C 41 
> (probably ‘80s vintage) discovered that his aluminum diesel tank is leaking.  
> He plans to pull it tomorrow to confirm.  I talked briefly with Bill Coleman 
> on this list, and he suggested replacing the aluminum tank with a plastic 
> tank.  Does anyone know a source for a plastic replacement diesel tank that 
> will fit this boat?  (I assume it’s about 20 gallons.)  Please advise.  
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> 
> Second, I thought I’d report on a recent discovery you may 
> find interesting.  As most of you know, my boat is a C 42 Custom, “Custom” 
> meaning that it was not a production run boat and was built in the Bruckmann 
> shop.  Six of these  “stick boats” were built in the mid ‘70s.  Every year 
> about this time of year, I get annoyed by a stubborn crack that appears near 
> the top of the forward edge of the keel, near the top where it meets the 
> hull.  As most of you understand, this is the front of the so-called C 
> smile.  On my boat, the C smile crack runs along the bottom of the hull 
> where the keel is mated, more or less parallel to the bottom of the hull (the 
> “main smile”).  However, I have a second C smile that starts at the forward 
> edge of the keel about four of five inches below the forward edge of the main 
> smile, then tapers up toward the bottom of the hull, eventually meeting the 
> main smile about 2/3 of the way back to the aft edge of the keel.  I never 
> understood why I get this “second smile.”
> 
>  
> 
> A few weeks ago some water was seeping out of the stubborn crack at the front 
> edge of the main smile, and I asked my guru to find out what the heck is 
> going on.  After some grinding and drilling, he informed me that my keel was 
> probably not made to fit my boat.  Instead, the keel from another boat was 
> adapted to fit my boat by creating a lead “wedge” piece (sort of like a big 
> shim) that is widest at the forward edge of the keel and tapers going aft.  
> This wedge fits between the top of the original keel and the hull, giving me 
> two mating seams and thus two C smiles.  Apparently, my boat is very happy.
> 
>  
> 
> Matt
> 
>  
> 
> Matt Wolford
> 
> C 42 Custom
> 
> Erie, PA   
> 
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
> 
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Stus-List Re: Question

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

The Main is the chute on a Nonsuch it’s huge! and always does well downwind in 
our sat. Phrf races 

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon 
S/V Heartbeat

> On Mar 2, 2023, at 5:11 PM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have also heard of this mythical creature but I have never seen one. 
> 
>  I also raced on a nonsuch once.  In all seriousness I knew it was over when 
> the captain took out his lawn chair after crossing the starting line.  
> 
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[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

I have also heard of this mythical creature but I have never seen one.

 I also raced on a nonsuch once.  In all seriousness I knew it was over when 
the captain took out his lawn chair after crossing the starting line.

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I understand it is quite doable and I have yet to see it happen,
however, has anyone heard of a Nonsuch sailor using an asymmetrical chute?


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[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

On 2021-06-16 6:40 p.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
Rob   I know someone in Mahone bay that may need a new engine.  What 
is the make and model again


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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Robert Abbott 
*Subject:* Stus-List Question??
To anyone who might be interested, all others delete:

On the Tartan 37 with failed transmissionowner has now replaced 
with new Yanmar and transmission...apparently I did not get the 
correct info from the owner but I did talk to the mechanic todayit 
actually wasn't the transmission.   The mechanic says it was a 
coupling failure and he could not find a replacement part...Yanmar in 
the USA said it would take a longtime to get one manufacturedthe 
mechanic says he can machine one but how long would it last he could 
not guarantee. and again my misunderstandingthe current second 
owner put 200 hours on the engine/tranni...they now have 1,900 
hoursagain, my misunderstanding.


Nevertheless, the Yanmar 3 cylinder engine and tranni are for sale if 
anyone is interestedthe mechanic has them in his garage.  I did 
not discuss me broadcasting his contact info here on the C site but 
he did say if anyone wanted to discuss with him for me to provide them 
with his contact info in Nova Scotia, Canada.


If anyone wants it, let me know here and I will send to your email.

RTob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.


On 2021-06-15 3:07 p.m., Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote:

"who would want to buy an engine with no available transmission?"
Someone with a blown engine and good transmission that is the same. 
So far I have not seen the model number of the engine or the 
transmission.

Why did the tranny fail after 200 hours?


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[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Rob   I know someone in Mahone bay that may need a new engine.   What is the 
make and model again

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Question??

To anyone who might be interested, all others delete:

On the Tartan 37 with failed transmissionowner has now replaced with new 
Yanmar and transmission...apparently I did not get the correct info from the 
owner but I did talk to the mechanic todayit actually wasn't the 
transmission.   The mechanic says it was a coupling failure and he could not 
find a replacement part...Yanmar in the USA said it would take a longtime to 
get one manufacturedthe mechanic says he can machine one but how long would 
it last he could not guarantee. and again my misunderstandingthe current 
second owner put 200 hours on the engine/tranni...they now have 1,900 
hoursagain, my misunderstanding.

Nevertheless, the Yanmar 3 cylinder engine and tranni are for sale if anyone is 
interestedthe mechanic has them in his garage.  I did not discuss me 
broadcasting his contact info here on the C site but he did say if anyone 
wanted to discuss with him for me to provide them with his contact info in Nova 
Scotia, Canada.

If anyone wants it, let me know here and I will send to your email.

RTob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.


On 2021-06-15 3:07 p.m., Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote:
"who would want to buy an engine with no available transmission?"
Someone with a blown engine and good transmission that is the same. So far I 
have not seen the model number of the engine or the transmission.
Why did the tranny fail after 200 hours?




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[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

I recommend contacting this outfit
https://schoonerbaymarinallc.com/site/ in Bayfield WI
They are a Yanmar dealer.
They rebuilt theHurth Kanzaki  transmission I use with my Yanmar.
They are a little colorful, but competent.

Nate

1980 30-1
1994 T31

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:31 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A club member has a 2012 Tartan 37 with a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel I
> don't know the transmission typehe bought it in 2014 got a good
> deal then on pricethe engine now has 200 hours but just after he
> launched 6 weeks ago, his transmission failedmarine diesel
> contractors (3 of them) said transmission could not be repaired.so
> he needs a new transmission.
>
> Wrong, he is informed by all 3 diesel mechanics and Yanmar, that there
> is not a transmission available to match his Yanmar engine. So guess
> what, he has to buy a new engine and transmission.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of this where there is no transmission to fit a
> Yanmar?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S.
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[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Bob

 

Please advise engine model (3GM??) and transmission make and model and ratio – 
should be on a plate.  My mechanic may have a rebuilt Kanzaki available

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:52 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Della Barba, Joe; Robert Abbott
Subject: Stus-List Question??

 

Joe,
Yes, he bought a new Yanmar engine and new transmission and had it 
installedhe got back in the water a few days ago.

The old Yanmar (3 cylinder with 200 engine hours and broken transmission) is 
sitting in a mechanic's garage and if anyone wants to buy it, they can talk to 
the mechanic (Evert Powell).

I have his phone # on my IPhone if anyone wants to talk to him.  One or both 
can be purchased but I have no idea what is the pricebut given the 
situation with the tranni, i think the engine could be had for a good price. As 
the owner said to me when I asked "who would want to buy an engine with no 
available transmission?"  And the owner lives three houses down the street from 
me so I can contact him any time.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2021-06-15 10:28 a.m., Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:

Did the person with the Tartan  already get a new engine installed? If so, it 
seems like anyone wanting a Yanmar might give him a call 

Normally I would say it is nuts to not just fix the tranny, but given current 
COVID shortages of everything maybe the parts are not in stock in North 
America???

 

Joe

Coquina





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[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Gary:

I don't have the model #'s of the engine or transmission but I can get 
them from the mechanic in whose garage they now sit.  No idea how the 
tranni failed but it did is all I know.  Not my boat and not my problem 
but I am aware of what transpired.


If you wish, I can contact the mechanic and get them.  If you are really 
interested, I can get his contact info and you can discuss directly.  I 
am pretty sure it/they are for sale.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2021-06-15 3:07 p.m., Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote:

"who would want to buy an engine with no available transmission?"
Someone with a blown engine and good transmission that is the same. So 
far I have not seen the model number of the engine or the transmission.

Why did the tranny fail after 200 hours?


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Stus-List Re: Question??

[Hans Reinhardt via CnC-List]

Hello John,
You might check the ZFs.  My 2year old Yanmar 3YM30AE has one, albeit with  an 
8 degree angle. My mechanic had strongly urged me to lower the slope of the 
engine beds in my 37 to promote better oil distribution and therefore engine 
life. I can discuss this further if there’s interest. 

Hans R
S/V Ete’
Seattle 

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[Garry Cross via CnC-List]

 "who would want to buy an engine with no available transmission?"
Someone with a blown engine and good transmission that is the same. So far
I have not seen the model number of the engine or the transmission.
Why did the tranny fail after 200 hours?
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Did the person with the Tartan  already get a new engine installed? If so, it 
seems like anyone wanting a Yanmar might give him a call 
Normally I would say it is nuts to not just fix the tranny, but given current 
COVID shortages of everything maybe the parts are not in stock in North 
America???

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Question??

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

The question needs to be presented to Mack Boring, the Yanmar distributor and 
OEM interface with most boat builders east of the Mississippi River.  They know 
what can and can not be replaced or serviced. Good folks work there.

https://mackboring.com/
Chuck Gilchrest 
Half Magic
1983 LF 35
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Steve Mallett via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Has he tried CME in Burnside? I had my transmission rebuilt there 2 years ago 
> with good results. CME is Yanmar parts dealer as well.
> 
> Steve Mallett 
> Second Lady C
> Dartmouth, NS
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 8:33 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List, 
>>  wrote:
>> I know! that's ridiculous!  If this is true, why would anyone want a Yanmar 
>> engine?  He should have contacted Tartan directly.  I've had so much help 
>> from them over the last 5 years owning my Tartan 40 and it's 36 years old.  
>> I can't imagine that they would not have had a reasonable solution for him.  
>> Maybe a connection to a local Mech that would have taken on the repair? 
>>  
>> They've actually helped a situation when the local yard was doing their best 
>> chicken little impression saying "this is NEVER going to work, it will 
>> jeopardize your safety..."  Tartan stepped in and cooled all heads. They 
>> wrote a letter on company letterhead to confirm that not only was the 
>> condition safe but they had numerous boat out on the water with the exact 
>> same setup and were still using the same setup on new boats!
>>  
>> Sometimes, I think, locally, all the guys in the trade know each other and 
>> they all speak to one another and they all back each other up.  I've been on 
>> the receiving end of that situation too.  You have to go outside your local 
>> environment for a true 2nd opinion.  I'm lucky enough to have a company 
>> still in business and more than willing to keep their older boats up of to 
>> snuff!  I would imagine with such a new model, they'd have been more than 
>> willing to help out.  The last thing they want is that type of story getting 
>> out that their putting in engines that can't be repaired...
>>  
>> Or, maybe your friend just didn't want to wait for a repair and the engine 
>> swap was faster?  I bet he could still reach out to tartan and get that 
>> thing fixed right up.  Worst case scenario, he could ship it to them and 
>> have it repaired by them.  Imagine having a spare engine laying around for a 
>> swap out if another repair is needed (if they are identical).  I know a guy 
>> with a Viking 33 that has a completely rebuilt and pristine atomic 4 in his 
>> garage for that very purpose!  He says he can swap out the engine and dial 
>> it in within a day.
>>  
>> Danny
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: "Dennis C." 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Question??
>> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:53:15 -0500
>> 
>> There are 68 Kanzaki transmissions listed on eBay right now.  Perhaps one 
>> will work.  There are also sites that sell used and rebuilt trannies.  I 
>> find it hard to believe he needs a new tranny AND engine.
>>  
>>   -- 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:32 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> A club member has a 2012 Tartan 37 with a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel I 
>>> don't know the transmission typehe bought it in 2014 got a good 
>>> deal then on pricethe engine now has 200 hours but just after he 
>>> launched 6 weeks ago, his transmission failedmarine diesel 
>>> contractors (3 of them) said transmission could not be repaired.so 
>>> he needs a new transmission.
>>> 
>>> Wrong, he is informed by all 3 diesel mechanics and Yanmar, that there 
>>> is not a transmission available to match his Yanmar engine. So guess 
>>> what, he has to buy a new engine and transmission.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone ever heard of this where there is no transmission to fit a 
>>> Yanmar?
>>> 
>>> Rob Abbott
>>> AZURA
>>> C 32 -#277
>>> Halifax, N.S.
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>>  
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Stus-List Re: Question??

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

What transmission model?  Should be a name plate on it.  Had my Kanzaki
transmission rebuilt in 2016 as was slipping.  Mechanic was in New Jersey
and provided great service at reasonable pricing.  Getting parts easy then
but entire transmissions were not available.  I want to say they went out of
production of my model but not sure.  Trick was the mechanic must be
experienced with these transmissions as it is easy to get parts mixed up.
Mine did the rebuilding for Yanmar's east coast distributor (Mack Boring)
before they got out of that business.


John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT



-Original Message-
From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 7:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott
Subject: Stus-List Question??

A club member has a 2012 Tartan 37 with a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel I 
don't know the transmission typehe bought it in 2014 got a good 
deal then on pricethe engine now has 200 hours but just after he 
launched 6 weeks ago, his transmission failedmarine diesel 
contractors (3 of them) said transmission could not be repaired.so 
he needs a new transmission.

Wrong, he is informed by all 3 diesel mechanics and Yanmar, that there 
is not a transmission available to match his Yanmar engine. So guess 
what, he has to buy a new engine and transmission.

Has anyone ever heard of this where there is no transmission to fit a 
Yanmar?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 -#277
Halifax, N.S.
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[Steve Mallett via CnC-List]

Has he tried CME in Burnside? I had my transmission rebuilt there 2 years
ago with good results. CME is Yanmar parts dealer as well.

Steve Mallett
Second Lady C
Dartmouth, NS

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 8:33 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I know! that's ridiculous!  If this is true, why would anyone want a
> Yanmar engine?  He should have contacted Tartan directly.  I've had so much
> help from them over the last 5 years owning my Tartan 40 and it's 36 years
> old.  I can't imagine that they would not have had a reasonable solution
> for him.  Maybe a connection to a local Mech that would have taken on the
> repair?
>
> They've actually helped a situation when the local yard was doing their
> best chicken little impression saying "this is NEVER going to work, it will
> jeopardize your safety..."  Tartan stepped in and cooled all heads. They
> wrote a letter on company letterhead to confirm that not only was the
> condition safe but they had numerous boat out on the water with the exact
> same setup and were still using the same setup on new boats!
>
> Sometimes, I think, locally, all the guys in the trade know each other and
> they all speak to one another and they all back each other up.  I've been
> on the receiving end of that situation too.  You have to go outside your
> local environment for a true 2nd opinion.  I'm lucky enough to have a
> company still in business and more than willing to keep their older boats
> up of to snuff!  I would imagine with such a new model, they'd have been
> more than willing to help out.  The last thing they want is that type of
> story getting out that their putting in engines that can't be repaired...
>
> Or, maybe your friend just didn't want to wait for a repair and the engine
> swap was faster?  I bet he could still reach out to tartan and get that
> thing fixed right up.  Worst case scenario, he could ship it to them and
> have it repaired by them.  Imagine having a spare engine laying around for
> a swap out if another repair is needed (if they are identical).  I know a
> guy with a Viking 33 that has a completely rebuilt and pristine atomic 4 in
> his garage for that very purpose!  He says he can swap out the engine and
> dial it in within a day.
>
> Danny
>
> ------ Original Message --
> From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: "Dennis C." 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Question??
> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:53:15 -0500
>
> There are 68 Kanzaki transmissions listed on eBay right now.  Perhaps one
> will work.  There are also sites that sell used and rebuilt trannies.  I
> find it hard to believe he needs a new tranny AND engine.
>
>   --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:32 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A club member has a 2012 Tartan 37 with a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel I
>> don't know the transmission typehe bought it in 2014 got a good
>> deal then on pricethe engine now has 200 hours but just after he
>> launched 6 weeks ago, his transmission failedmarine diesel
>> contractors (3 of them) said transmission could not be repaired.so
>> he needs a new transmission.
>>
>> Wrong, he is informed by all 3 diesel mechanics and Yanmar, that there
>> is not a transmission available to match his Yanmar engine. So guess
>> what, he has to buy a new engine and transmission.
>>
>> Has anyone ever heard of this where there is no transmission to fit a
>> Yanmar?
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 -#277
>> Halifax, N.S.
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>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
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>
>
>
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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I know! that's ridiculous!  If this is true, why would anyone want a Yanmar 
engine?  He should have contacted Tartan directly.  I've had so much help from 
them over the last 5 years owning my Tartan 40 and it's 36 years old.  I can't 
imagine that they would not have had a reasonable solution for him.  Maybe a 
connection to a local Mech that would have taken on the repair?  They've 
actually helped a situation when the local yard was doing their best chicken 
little impression saying "this is NEVER going to work, it will jeopardize your 
safety..."  Tartan stepped in and cooled all heads. They wrote a letter on 
company letterhead to confirm that not only was the condition safe but they had 
numerous boat out on the water with the exact same setup and were still using 
the same setup on new boats! Sometimes, I think, locally, all the guys in the 
trade know each other and they all speak to one another and they all back each 
other up.  I've been on the receiving end of that situation too.  You have to 
go outside your local environment for a true 2nd opinion.  I'm lucky enough to 
have a company still in business and more than willing to keep their older 
boats up of to snuff!  I would imagine with such a new model, they'd have been 
more than willing to help out.  The last thing they want is that type of story 
getting out that their putting in engines that can't be repaired... Or, maybe 
your friend just didn't want to wait for a repair and the engine swap was 
faster?  I bet he could still reach out to tartan and get that thing fixed 
right up.  Worst case scenario, he could ship it to them and have it repaired 
by them.  Imagine having a spare engine laying around for a swap out if another 
repair is needed (if they are identical).  I know a guy with a Viking 33 that 
has a completely rebuilt and pristine atomic 4 in his garage for that very 
purpose!  He says he can swap out the engine and dial it in within a day. Danny

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: "Dennis C." 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question??
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:53:15 -0500


There are 68 Kanzaki transmissions listed on eBay right now.  Perhaps one will 
work.  There are also sites that sell used and rebuilt trannies.  I find it 
hard to believe he needs a new tranny AND engine.   -- 
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:32 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
 wrote:A club member has a 2012 Tartan 37 with a 3 
cylinder Yanmar diesel I 
 don't know the transmission typehe bought it in 2014 got a good 
 deal then on pricethe engine now has 200 hours but just after he 
 launched 6 weeks ago, his transmission failedmarine diesel 
 contractors (3 of them) said transmission could not be repaired.so 
 he needs a new transmission.
 
 Wrong, he is informed by all 3 diesel mechanics and Yanmar, that there 
 is not a transmission available to match his Yanmar engine. So guess 
 what, he has to buy a new engine and transmission.
 
 Has anyone ever heard of this where there is no transmission to fit a 
 Yanmar?
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 C 32 -#277
 Halifax, N.S.
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Stus-List Re: Question??

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

There are 68 Kanzaki transmissions listed on eBay right now.  Perhaps one
will work.  There are also sites that sell used and rebuilt trannies.  I
find it hard to believe he needs a new tranny AND engine.

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:32 PM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A club member has a 2012 Tartan 37 with a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel I
> don't know the transmission typehe bought it in 2014 got a good
> deal then on pricethe engine now has 200 hours but just after he
> launched 6 weeks ago, his transmission failedmarine diesel
> contractors (3 of them) said transmission could not be repaired.so
> he needs a new transmission.
>
> Wrong, he is informed by all 3 diesel mechanics and Yanmar, that there
> is not a transmission available to match his Yanmar engine. So guess
> what, he has to buy a new engine and transmission.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of this where there is no transmission to fit a
> Yanmar?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S.
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Stus-List Re: Question??

[Ian Tubby via CnC-List]

Rob,

Others will probably want more details on the engine or transmission before
they can answer your question with accuracy, but I will say having been an
(aircraft) mechanic, might be worth looking at a newer transmission from
the same series and having an adaptor plate made to fit the new
transmission to the existing engine, if what the mechanics are saying is
true. However with the popularity of yanmars, its hard for me to imagine
that the failing transmission couldn't be fixed somehow especially if the
problem doesn't require a complete rebuild. Sounds like a job the mechanics
may just not want to take on. My .02. Perhaps others have more direction.

Ian Tubby
C 25 "Icicle"
St. Pete, FL

ma 14. kesäk. 2021 klo 18.32 Robert Abbott via CnC-List (
cnc-list@cnc-list.com) kirjoitti:

> A club member has a 2012 Tartan 37 with a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel I
> don't know the transmission typehe bought it in 2014 got a good
> deal then on pricethe engine now has 200 hours but just after he
> launched 6 weeks ago, his transmission failedmarine diesel
> contractors (3 of them) said transmission could not be repaired.so
> he needs a new transmission.
>
> Wrong, he is informed by all 3 diesel mechanics and Yanmar, that there
> is not a transmission available to match his Yanmar engine. So guess
> what, he has to buy a new engine and transmission.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of this where there is no transmission to fit a
> Yanmar?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S.
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

If it is mounted on the hull under the reverse transom then one wouldn't 
be able to run the unit while sailing / motoring or even anchored in any 
chop, due to the risk of submerging the outlet and choking the unit.  
Espar instructions specifically recommend mounting on the transom.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-05-06 9:31 a.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


Thanks Josh

That is where Persistence Engine exhaust comes out as well.  I believe 
the concern for a diesel heater exhaust is water ingress from a 
following sea so it is generally advised to have it a specific 
distance above water level.  That could work though with a high 
exhaust loop in the boat but would be a bitch to access from the 
outside for installation with the boat in the water!


Mike

*From:*Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
*Sent:* May 5, 2021 11:24 PM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Josh Muckley 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

Mike, I don't know if it changes anything but ALL of my discharge and 
exhaust ports come out under the reverse transom.  You can see it in 
the video linked below.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yb1hNSENwOHRaZ1k/view?usp=drivesdk 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yb1hNSENwOHRaZ1k/view?usp=drivesdk>


Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 15:19 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater
with the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?

The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the
exhaust hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there
is potential for water to build up at this elbow joint.

Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax NS

www.hoytsailing.com <http://www.hoytsailing.com>

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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis

These are all double walled to protect the hull.  Just google heater exhaust 
thru hull or heater exhaust transom thru hull and you will find plenty of 
examples to look at.  Typical installation has approx. ¼ inch of space between 
the pipe portion that travels thru the hull and the hull itself.  On top of 
that as is standard practice the balsa is dug out in the opening and replaced 
with thickened epoxy to prevent water intrusion into the hull.

Very good question though.

FWIW this entire project presents interesting challenges all along the 
progression of installation.


  1.  Where do I locate the heater unit?
  2.  What do I mount the heater to?
  3.  How do I route the ducting to the cabin?
  4.  How do I route the exhaust?
  5.  The Chinese versions are reputed to have lesser quality exhaust 
components and no thru hull so these must be sourced and replaced.  (the fresh 
air to heat is in cockpit locker same as where exhaust components live – vs 
when installed in truck or camper)
  6.  Once all of the above is complete electrical gets looked at.  I suspect a 
boat has longer electrical runs than a camper due to location of heater in 
cockpit locker

All of this in very cramped locations inside the nether regions of a sailboat.  
If all comes together then hopefully will have a  cozy boat to overnight on 
earlier and later in the season.  Especially important when there is nothing 
else and nowhere else to go these days

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: May 6, 2021 10:03 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull


Being from the south where we're more concerned about air conditioners, I'm not 
familiar with heater exhausts at all.  If one goes through a balsa cored 
portion of the hull or deck, is there concern about heat and the balsa?  Or is 
a heater exhaust fitting designed to protect the core from excessive heat?  
Just curious.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Being from the south where we're more concerned about air conditioners, I'm
not familiar with heater exhausts at all.  If one goes through a balsa
cored portion of the hull or deck, is there concern about heat and the
balsa?  Or is a heater exhaust fitting designed to protect the core from
excessive heat?  Just curious.

-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh

That is where Persistence Engine exhaust comes out as well.  I believe the 
concern for a diesel heater exhaust is water ingress from a following sea so it 
is generally advised to have it a specific distance above water level.  That 
could work though with a high exhaust loop in the boat but would be a bitch to 
access from the outside for installation with the boat in the water!

Mike

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: May 5, 2021 11:24 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

Mike, I don't know if it changes anything but ALL of my discharge and exhaust 
ports come out under the reverse transom.  You can see it in the video linked 
below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yb1hNSENwOHRaZ1k/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 15:19 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with the 
exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?

The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust hose 
into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for water to 
build up at this elbow joint.

Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax NS
www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com>



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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Mike, I don't know if it changes anything but ALL of my discharge and
exhaust ports come out under the reverse transom.  You can see it in the
video linked below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yb1hNSENwOHRaZ1k/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 15:19 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with
> the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?
>
>
>
> The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust
> hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for
> water to build up at this elbow joint.
>
>
>
> Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

A picture is the easiest way to show how mine is installed. I didn't do the
work, so I don't know if that ovalized trim ring is standard.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3dOGxyHGeiFDqOIEGkz5-tkRcjJ-PBQkJ-sXT-N76L8uiaKwQmYEFbODh1tUwmi_0ZPutRsUE4uf6BTNR3zN6yoJbSOhsUeOkzTA7PaFsXE9tCh6ZmUnd_bfcMWAVPka5CbP7x6ga9jDAEq9NNLB4eR=w1444-h929-no?authuser=0

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 12:19, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with
> the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?
>
>
>
> The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust
> hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for
> water to build up at this elbow joint.
>
>
>
> Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thank you Graham

I just found a similar one on ebay 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/194046570203?hash=item2d2e13aedb:g:2J0AAOSw22FfpZ7f 
which comes to $83 CAD.  I ordered it.  Anyone want a spare 24mm Wabasto 
Eberspacher 24mm exhaust thru-hull?  I will now have an extra one.

On this page http://www.hoytsailing.com/baddeck_regatta_week_2015.htm if you 
look at second photo from bottom you can see why it would not work on the side 
of the hull.  The angled thru hull that Graham suggested resolves my problem 
properly.

Gotta love this list!

Mike

From: Graham Collins via CnC-List 
Sent: May 4, 2021 7:45 PM
To: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Cc: Graham Collins 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull


Hi Mike!  Haven't seen you in over a year, hope all is well.

Secret Plans has an Espar with the exhaust out the transom, it is angled 
sufficiently that I have absolutely no concerns about drainage, it has worked 
flawlessly since 2010.  I've got it tucked up high as I could and still get a 
12" upward hump in the exhaust hose (and maintain clearance from the hull).  
Boat is at BBYC on the hard for another 10 days if you want a look, you've got 
my OK to climb up.  Don't steal the rum.

My fitting doesn't have an elbow, it is welded up on an angle.  Like this one:  
https://www.nwmarineair.com/thru-hull-fitting-angled/

best,

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2021-05-04 4:18 p.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with the 
exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?

The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust hose 
into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for water to 
build up at this elbow joint.

Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax NS
www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com>






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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Mike!  Haven't seen you in over a year, hope all is well.

Secret Plans has an Espar with the exhaust out the transom, it is angled 
sufficiently that I have absolutely no concerns about drainage, it has 
worked flawlessly since 2010.  I've got it tucked up high as I could and 
still get a 12" upward hump in the exhaust hose (and maintain clearance 
from the hull).  Boat is at BBYC on the hard for another 10 days if you 
want a look, you've got my OK to climb up.  Don't steal the rum.


My fitting doesn't have an elbow, it is welded up on an angle. Like this 
one: https://www.nwmarineair.com/thru-hull-fitting-angled/ 



best,

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-05-04 4:18 p.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater 
with the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?


The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the 
exhaust hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is 
potential for water to build up at this elbow joint.


Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax NS

www.hoytsailing.com


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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Our 35-2 has a modest reverse transom, and the through-hull I got would
have just allowed for drainage, but I decided to put on the aft quarter,
about 12" forward of the transom edge. The heater is just below the deck,
so it's all downhill to the outlet, and I've had no issues so far. Many
newer boats (Dufour, Beneteau, Island Packet) use a similar location also,
so I figured it's probably ok.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 1:37 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We have a reverse transom too but our Espar exhaust doesn't go through the
> transom. It goes through the side of the hull back close to the transom.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 16:19, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with
>> the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?
>>
>>
>>
>> The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust
>> hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for
>> water to build up at this elbow joint.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hoyt
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax NS
>>
>> www.hoytsailing.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

We have a reverse transom too but our Espar exhaust doesn't go through the
transom. It goes through the side of the hull back close to the transom.

Ken H.

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 16:19, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with
> the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?
>
>
>
> The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust
> hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for
> water to build up at this elbow joint.
>
>
>
> Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

I've sailed a Hobie, Tornado, and a 26 and 30 foot Wharram designed cats 
(no bridge accommodations).
All of them were fast boats, and to some extent fun boats.  They all 
tacked well, the Hobie being the worst of
them all, and they all felt like sailing the clubhouse.  No need for cup 
holders, no feel of gusts powering up
the boat (except they went faster), absolutely no rudder feel, except a 
slight vibration on the big cat doing

20 knots on a reach.

My Cat friend and I have argued the points of cats vs monohulls, here's 
a summary:

Me:
  - Cats give no feedback to sailing they just go or don't go.
  - Cats are very stable until they are not, then they are not very 
comfortable upside down.

  - Like driving a clubhouse (and many are the same size).

Him:
  - Who wants to live life at 20 deg heel angle.
  - Cat's provide lots of feedback, it's just different than monohulls 
and you need to get used to it.
  - Cats are equally stable upside down as they are right side up so I 
can survive until rescued.
  - If I hole a hull I have an extra, monohulls have an excessive 
weight to ensure they go to the bottom.
  - Who wants to live down in a cave when you could live up and see the 
beautiful world.


So, for me I'll stick to my C 30 maybe future I'll be fortunate to 
have a 35 but likely that's as far as I'll
get and both the 30 or 35 would suit my needs.  I'm happy to have a 
friend with a Cat, he's the 1st person

I call when planning a raft up.  He brings the patio.

Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549



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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I totally lost interest in owning a cruising cat once I saw them picked up by 
hurricanes*. I have enough to worry about in storms without the added 
possibility of becoming a very poor aircraft that is about to suffer a likely 
fatal crash landing. Also it seems every year the cats mutate away from 
sailboats toward houseboats with sails.
The A-Cats that sometimes sail out of our club – THOSE I want. Imagine a Hobie 
Cat but much much faster. On a windy day I can’t always keep up with them in my 
dinghy which does 18-19 knots flat out.
For charter – sure if I can find one that looks like it might at least sort-of 
sail. Last we were in the BVIs our cat was fast enough so that we always got 
where we were going before lunch, which really worked out for 2 poor girls 
aboard that were very prone to seasickness. They didn’t miss a meal, they 
recovered by lunchtime  

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA

* total thread creep, but the one hurricane we actually were underway in we had 
a girl aboard on her first sail EVER. She loved it and had no idea this wasn’t 
what happened every time we went out LOL




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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Keep the 40 in here in the NE.  Buy a condomaran in the south and move it about.

There is an old joke...what is fun to ride but you don't want your friends to 
see you on?   A moped and a condomaran.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 9:10:08 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

I love my C but if I had enough money, and my wife was into it, we'd have a 
really good time with a catamaran.

Catamarans;  Check out a couple of world travellers who have logged thousands 
of miles on multihulls before trading up to catamarans;

Checkout YouTube.com
"sailing la vagabonde" is an Australian couple who have crossed the Atlantic 
three times in their 45 footer.  Presently in the Azores.

"sailing Zatara" is a Texas family of five presently sailing the Pacific 
islands on a 58 footer. They are in Figi.

There are episodes of stormy weather but you have to hunt to find them between 
all the hiking, sightseeing,  kiteboarding and SUP and surfing and diving 
episodes.

A big catamaran is like two monhulls with a bridgedeck so it's gonna cost twice 
what a monohull would cost.  But there's no lead ballast, so they don't need as 
much sail area to get going.  I would think it is easier to find dockage for a 
50 ft cat, than for an 80 ft monohull, and one person can reef the smaller 
mainsail.


Chuck S



On 01/04/2021 4:41 PM David Knecht via CnC-List  wrote:


I agree with everything Joe said.  We chartered a cat once in the Caribbean and 
never again.  It was great for accommodations and deck space for toys, but 
completely removed the “sailing” aspect of the trip.  It was like I imagine 
driving an RV would be.  Yuck!  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT
[cid:4073BE72-4704-4EA7-8EBA-B73B833F502B]

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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I love my C but if I had enough money, and my wife was into it, we'd have a 
really good time with a catamaran.

Catamarans;  Check out a couple of world travellers who have logged thousands 
of miles on multihulls before trading up to catamarans;

Checkout YouTube.com
"sailing la vagabonde" is an Australian couple who have crossed the Atlantic 
three times in their 45 footer.  Presently in the Azores.

"sailing Zatara" is a Texas family of five presently sailing the Pacific 
islands on a 58 footer. They are in Figi.

There are episodes of stormy weather but you have to hunt to find them between 
all the hiking, sightseeing,  kiteboarding and SUP and surfing and diving 
episodes.

A big catamaran is like two monhulls with a bridgedeck so it's gonna cost twice 
what a monohull would cost.  But there's no lead ballast, so they don't need as 
much sail area to get going.  I would think it is easier to find dockage for a 
50 ft cat, than for an 80 ft monohull, and one person can reef the smaller 
mainsail.


Chuck S




> On 01/04/2021 4:41 PM David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> I agree with everything Joe said.  We chartered a cat once in the 
> Caribbean and never again.  It was great for accommodations and deck space 
> for toys, but completely removed the “sailing” aspect of the trip.  It was 
> like I imagine driving an RV would be.  Yuck!  Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>  
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> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I agree with everything Joe said.  We chartered a cat once in the Caribbean and 
never again.  It was great for accommodations and deck space for toys, but 
completely removed the “sailing” aspect of the trip.  It was like I imagine 
driving an RV would be.  Yuck!  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT




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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Richard,

I’ve never chartered a sailboat but I’ve worked at a bazillion boat shows and 
the vast majority of new boat buyers are looking more towards interior space 
rather than sail ability.  Perhaps the perception of owning a sailboat that 
doesn’t heel over is a confidence builder.  I guess to the uninitiated they 
appear to be less “claustrophobic” with wide open spaces everywhere on the boat 
(ok, the berths can be rather tight on the smaller models, but no less so than 
a quarter berth on a C 35).  Looking too at how the cats are laid out, 
there’s push button EVERYTHING from sail trim to halyards, hydraulic steering 
with no feedback.  Basically it’s a powerboat with a stick in the middle and a 
large living room.  The further south you go, the greater the percentage of 
Catamarans at the show, probably because it is hard to find slips up north that 
are wide enough to accommodate a cat.

One of the best stories I have regarding folks checking out a catamaran at the 
boat show went as follows: I was down below in one of the staterooms when a 
couple looking at the boat came across one of the round escape ports on the 
inboard side of one of the  hulls.  If you haven’t seen one, they’re designed 
so if the boat capsizes and overturns while you’re in the hull, you can get out 
through one of these waterproof hatches.   So the lady looking at the boat 
asked her husband what the round window with the handles was for and the yacht 
broker’s response was “It’s the washing machine…”..

 

That about says it all.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padnaram, MA

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 3:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

 

I'll start with an apology; it's not specifically C related; and I have no 
wish to start a general debate; my question...I see lots and lots of catamaran 
ads and apparently Sail Magazine thinks monohulls have been mothballed...: what 
is the appeal of these boats I recognize their added space as appealing to 
first-time group charter types; but heard that these boats are difficult sail; 
hard to get them moving and even more difficult to tack; perhaps not an issue 
in crossing a big lake or ocean, but could be a deal breaker in close quarters; 

When I look at the boats featured in the ads all see is a big 1970s Station 
wagon...(how's that for a frame of reference);

So, someone enlighten me on this; why are they so popular even with prices of 
half a million? 

(I have not sailed on one and not planning on getting one-it's winter and I'm 
just curious)

Many thanks...;

 

PS: I understand that C actually did make a few Cats in the 790s...so it is 
C related after all!

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

 

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

FANTASTIC charter boats! We had a Privilege 39 that had 4 double-berth cabins 
at 4 corners of the boat. Everyone gets their own cabin without it being a 
passage between one part of the boat and another. HUGE amount of room on deck 
and in the cockpit. We had 6 aboard and felt like we had plenty of space for 
all and could have taken 8 no problem. They are stable at anchor, which is nice 
too. The shallow draft is another fun thing, we would come into an anchorage 
and get past all the anchored monohulls and anchor between them and the beach. 
Twin engines is another cool thing, the boat can spin in place in her own 
length – which is a good thing, the turning circle with just rudders is huge!

Well how did she sail? THAT is the C question and definitely a mixed bag. 
First off, no steering feel whatsoever with the hydraulic steering. Absent the 
rudder angle indicator I would have had no idea what was going on. “Feel” 
overall is missing, we got a sheet with wind speed vs. amount to reef. We 
thought it a Band-Aid for n00bs until we noticed the total lack of feel. The 
other thing we learned besides the piece of paper was to reef whenever rudder 
angle hit 20 degrees. Compared to a C it was like going from a Ferrari to 
dump truck. The dump truck is a fast truck though, we were usually in the 9-12 
knot range. THAT was nice   We could beat the charter monos we found, even to 
windward. They sail like pigs too and we at least were a fast pig close 
reaching at almost twice their speed to make up for wide tacks.

Downsides:

Expensive

Good luck finding a slip for a boat 20 feet wide

Can capsize

Some will then sink, other not so much

Did I mention expensive?

Totally lacking in C feel

Hurricane winds can pick them up! I was glad sailing through hurricane Charlie 
that other issues aside, the boat was going to stay in the water no matter what.

Did I say they cost a lot?

Now here is a big one for me – when the weather goes to crap. Our last day was 
a big storm blowing up to 50 and we had a ways to get back to the charter base. 
We had to head straight upwind and it was twin diesels, no way was sailing 
going to work. SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM basically like driving your car off a cliff 
every 45 seconds for several hours.

Note our boat was much more of a sailor than the gross sort-of-maybe-a-sailboat 
charter pigs I have seen out lately and also note VERY much faster cats and 
tris exist that will never see a charter fleet*. I personally have been on a 
Condor 40 trimaran sailing at 25 knots in armchair comfort.

*iron law of cat physics – a fast one is a dangerous one, idiot proof ones by 
design are slower. Ours would have sucked in light air, but we didn’t really 
have much light air. 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 3:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

 

I'll start with an apology; it's not specifically C related; and I have no 
wish to start a general debate; my question...I see lots and lots of catamaran 
ads and apparently Sail Magazine thinks monohulls have been mothballed...: what 
is the appeal of these boats I recognize their added space as appealing to 
first-time group charter types; but heard that these boats are difficult sail; 
hard to get them moving and even more difficult to tack; perhaps not an issue 
in crossing a big lake or ocean, but could be a deal breaker in close quarters; 

When I look at the boats featured in the ads all see is a big 1970s Station 
wagon...(how's that for a frame of reference);

So, someone enlighten me on this; why are they so popular even with prices of 
half a million? 

(I have not sailed on one and not planning on getting one-it's winter and I'm 
just curious)

Many thanks...;

 

PS: I understand that C actually did make a few Cats in the 790s...so it is 
C related after all!

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

 

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 I'll start with an apology; it's not specifically C related; and I have no 
wish to start a general debate; my question...I see lots and lots of catamaran 
ads and apparently Sail Magazine thinks monohulls have been mothballed...: what 
is the appeal of these boats I recognize their added space as appealing to 
first-time group charter types; but heard that these boats are difficult sail; 
hard to get them moving and even more difficult to tack; perhaps not an issue 
in crossing a big lake or ocean, but could be a deal breaker in close quarters; 
When I look at the boats featured in the ads all see is a big 1970s Station 
wagon...(how's that for a frame of reference);So, someone enlighten me on this; 
why are they so popular even with prices of half a million? 
(I have not sailed on one and not planning on getting one-it's winter and I'm 
just curious)Many thanks...;

PS: I understand that C actually did make a few Cats in the 790s...so it is 
C related after all!

Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255
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