Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X
Tom Piwowar That's why I prefer to use a limited user for everything on a regular basis, it limits my exposure. (I picked up this habit years ago when I was a system manager for a PDP VAX systems. That is correct, except when installing software or making changes to the system. That is what the admin account is for. And that is what I was trying to do - install the flight simulator... Except that it's not a general app, it's special. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X
And that is what I was trying to do - install the flight simulator... Except that it's not a general app, it's special. The idea of general app vs. special app is totally foreign to me. All apps can do potentially harmful things to a computer so I worry about all apps. If there are no safeguards about any random app running I am concerned. A while back Flash was able to update itself without getting intercepted by OS X. I was very unhappy about that and am glad this is no longer the case. We really do need to have the OS able to protect itself. One reason I like hardware applicances is because all their code is in firmware. While it can be updated, it is a special process. It sometimes even requires that hardware buttons get pressed a certain way, so the hardware protects the firmware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
Once again, nobody said that. This is a very irritating habit you have. It happens so routinely that I have to wonder if it's intentional. Then what was this? I've read about this estimate and this number was derived from looking at results in the worm's code itself, making this calculation dubious. I'd place that number somewhere between WAG and spot-on. What's odd about the percentages of OS versions in the article I linked to is how much of it is Windows XP SP2, which turned on the firewall and auto-updates by default. That tells me that the users of these machines received them either very poorly configured or they themselves intentionally disabled these security components. I don't think reports of this fast-spreading worm were dubious. I don't think it spreads because people intentionally disabled these security components. There are multiple routes of attack. Yes, truth telling can be irritating, but spreading misinformation is both irritating and dangerous. The fact is that we have another major Windows infection in the wild. It does not hit all Windows machines, but it does hit a lot of them. Attack via autolaunch is particularly troubling to me. This happened to Apple back in the days of floppy disks and it was the only virus infection ever to hit my office. Apple promptly removed autolaunch and it hasn't been back since. Autolaunch trades a small benefit for a big risk. Computers should not do this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] * IMPORTANT DMCA REMINDER *
We may consider DMCA to be a terrible law, but it is still a law. Speaking about circumvention is prohibited speech and we do not do it here. If you don't like it, write your Congress creatures and start a petition. Thanks to all for observing the law of the land. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
The most irritating part is that it could have been completely avoided since the fix has been out for some time. This is what is happening with Vista and UAC, you can argue that UAC is annoying but facts are facts, UAC keeps Vista from getting hit by a lot of infections, and reportedly by all rootkits. People turn off UAC because it's 'annoying' and then whine about poor security. Hopefully MS with W7 will find a happy medium with UAC. Mike On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Once again, nobody said that. This is a very irritating habit you have. It happens so routinely that I have to wonder if it's intentional. Then what was this? I've read about this estimate and this number was derived from looking at results in the worm's code itself, making this calculation dubious. I'd place that number somewhere between WAG and spot-on. What's odd about the percentages of OS versions in the article I linked to is how much of it is Windows XP SP2, which turned on the firewall and auto-updates by default. That tells me that the users of these machines received them either very poorly configured or they themselves intentionally disabled these security components. I don't think reports of this fast-spreading worm were dubious. I don't think it spreads because people intentionally disabled these security components. There are multiple routes of attack. Yes, truth telling can be irritating, but spreading misinformation is both irritating and dangerous. The fact is that we have another major Windows infection in the wild. It does not hit all Windows machines, but it does hit a lot of them. Attack via autolaunch is particularly troubling to me. This happened to Apple back in the days of floppy disks and it was the only virus infection ever to hit my office. Apple promptly removed autolaunch and it hasn't been back since. Autolaunch trades a small benefit for a big risk. Computers should not do this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Microsoft profit declines, software maker to cut 5,000 jobs
This from Marketwatch: http://tinyurl.com/cph5r2 Microsoft profit declines, software maker to cut 5,000 jobs By Jeffry Bartash Last update: 9:13 a.m. EST Jan. 22, 2009 MSFT 19.38, +0.90, +4.9%) on Thursday reported an 11% drop in fiscal second-quarter profit and said it will cut 5,000 jobs as demand weakened for its Windows software. The Redmond, Wash.-based company also said it would cease giving per-share forecasts for the rest of 2009 because of the uncertainty caused by a slumping U.S. and global economy. In the final three months of 2008, meanwhile, Microsoft said earnings fell to $4.17 billion, or 47 cents a share, from $4.71 billion, or 50 cents a share, in the year-earlier quarter. Revenue edged up slightly to $16.63 billion from $16.4 billion from a year ago. Microsoft was expected to earn 48 cents a share on revenue of $17.1 billion, according to the consensus of analysts surveyed by FactSet Research. In premarket trades, shares of Microsoft sank as much as 7%. End of Story Richard P. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Another article about DMCA myths. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:16 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Only if it is a copyrighted piece. If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the copyright holder it is legal. Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Stewart At 08:56 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X
Tom Piwowar And that is what I was trying to do - install the flight simulator... Except that it's not a general app, it's special. The idea of general app vs. special app is totally foreign to me. All apps can do potentially harmful things to a computer so I worry about all apps. If there are no safeguards about any random app running I am concerned. I'm not sure how else to describe the application. The flight sim (X-plane) needs to read/write the prefs (different from Mac OSX prefs, this is the starting location, aircraft, etc.) Standard trouble shooting practice is to delete the prefs directory (file?). A while back Flash was able to update itself without getting intercepted by OS X. I was very unhappy about that and am glad this is no longer the case. We really do need to have the OS able to protect itself. I'd be uneasy with that. I have little snitch running in an attempt to prevent that kind of behavior. One reason I like hardware applicances is because all their code is in firmware. While it can be updated, it is a special process. It sometimes even requires that hardware buttons get pressed a certain way, so the hardware protects the firmware. Yes -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Common sense ain't... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them from us than go to the hassle. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830 support page for the malicious software tool On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Alright, having looked into this further I see that anyone with auto updates ON is protected. Apparently all the new infections are coming from corporate systems that have not yet implemented the fix manually. Additionally, the Microsoft Malicious Software Tool detects all variants of this threat. I'm not real clear on what this tool is and how it runs, but when I went to Windows Update this morning it was sitting there waiting as the only available update. If I'm supposed to run it manually I'm not sure how, because I don't see it in any menu. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] GPS [was: Windows Active X]
I recently say an car integrated GPS that had a display that looked to be about 8 x 10 inches in size. This looks much more useful than the tiny screens I've seen on the add-on models. While not denying the appeal of those large, built-in screens, I've found that by putting the GPS windshield mount to the upper-left of the steering wheel (as opposed to the right-center, where I initially put it), the screen ends up about 6-8 inches from my eyes and ears, thereby giving me a good view, and within easy reach for touch-screen functions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
I don't think reports of this fast-spreading worm were dubious. You paste in a quote and then insist that it says something that it doesn't say. It said that the calculation of the number of infections is dubious. That is NOT the same as saying that the worm doesn't exist. It is a huge step from anything you quote to Didn't our WFBs already inform us last week that this was nothing to worry about and the 9,000,000 infected PCs I mentioned were just a hallucination generated by my intolerance of defective operating systems? I don't think it spreads because people intentionally disabled these security components. There are multiple routes of attack. In the case of Vista, that is exactly how it spreads. Vista out of the box is not vulnerable to this attack. You have to turn stuff off. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
If I understand it correctly. The copyright law has changes so that anything you produce is automatically afforded copyright protection. If you so choose you can then give folks the right to copy anything you have produced. However if they do not ask your permission first and it is granted it is automatically considered a violation of the DMCA. How you want to enforce it is then your call. Stewart At 10:57 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them from us than go to the hassle. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
I found this explanation from MS at: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830 It looks like the tool only runs once a month when it downloads the new definitions. It runs in the background which is why I've never seen it. It can be run manually: Q13: After I run the tool from Microsoft Update, Windows Update, or Automatic Updates, where are the tool files stored? Can I rerun the tool? A13: When it is downloaded from Microsoft Update or from Windows Update, the tool runs only one time each month. To manually run the tool multiple times a month, download the tool from the Download Center or by visiting the following Microsoft Web site: http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx) For an online scan of your system by using the Windows Live OneCare safety scanner, visit the following Microsoft Web site: http://safety.live.com It is a less than obvious tool which apparently does provide some protection. Richard P. Alright, having looked into this further I see that anyone with auto updates ON is protected. Apparently all the new infections are coming from corporate systems that have not yet implemented the fix manually. Additionally, the Microsoft Malicious Software Tool detects all variants of this threat. I'm not real clear on what this tool is and how it runs, but when I went to Windows Update this morning it was sitting there waiting as the only available update. If I'm supposed to run it manually I'm not sure how, because I don't see it in any menu. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the content is illegal. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: If I understand it correctly. The copyright law has changes so that anything you produce is automatically afforded copyright protection. If you so choose you can then give folks the right to copy anything you have produced. However if they do not ask your permission first and it is granted it is automatically considered a violation of the DMCA. How you want to enforce it is then your call. Stewart At 10:57 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them from us than go to the hassle. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
So if I disable AutoRun in Windows, will that create any problems synching iTunes or downloading pictures from a camera? Each program is launched and transfer started upon connection to their individual device. Richard P. Attack via autolaunch is particularly troubling to me. This happened to Apple back in the days of floppy disks and it was the only virus infection ever to hit my office. Apple promptly removed autolaunch and it hasn't been back since. Autolaunch trades a small benefit for a big risk. Computers should not do this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness
If we're taking a vote, I see no rudeness in _this_ response. It was the first message - the one assuming some sort of criminal activity - that was rude. Besides, what he says is true. There's nothing illegal about discussing a law. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court. How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must first post a $2,000,000 bond to cover all consequent expenses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of the software. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Only if it is a copyrighted piece. If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the copyright holder it is legal. Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Stewart At 08:56 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Top rated software as reviewed in the UNITED STATES by Macworld mag Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://www.macworld.com/article/59605/2006/12/handbrake.html Fantastic program, came to windows not long ago. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Call Thank you, Mark Snyder 7575 Colshire Drive McLean, Virginia 22101 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:55 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc] I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
You are unreal. LOL. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court. How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must first post a $2,000,000 bond to cover all consequent expenses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Calling it fair is irrelevant. Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum standard of basic courtesy. Please raise that standard of behavior. Many on this list tire of blatant disrespect of list members. Please show basic respect; this is not a list for brats. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Cheers. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Calling it fair is irrelevant. Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum standard of basic courtesy. Please raise that standard of behavior. Many on this list tire of blatant disrespect of list members. Please show basic respect; this is not a list for brats. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Judy Cosler jcos...@starpower.net wrote: i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of the software. Roxio sells a package that is called Roxio Easy DVD Copy. As to what it does who can tell from that description. I've never looked, bought or otherwise tried the produce. This is probably a case where google is your friend. Tom is hypersensitive to lawyers but the DMCA is written in a way to attempt to stifle free speech. If there was someone to sue for money attmepting to sue someone talking about this topic it would be a prime target for lawsuits and probably overturned in short order. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
You're going to make me fisk you...so much for change. I've read about this estimate and this number was derived from looking at results in the worm's code itself, making this calculation dubious. I'd place that number somewhere between WAG and spot-on. What's odd about the percentages of OS versions in the article I linked to is how much of it is Windows XP SP2, which turned on the firewall and auto-updates by default. That tells me that the users of these machines received them either very poorly configured or they themselves intentionally disabled these security components. I don't think reports of this fast-spreading worm were dubious. The worm is fast spreading alright; I never said otherwise. I only questioned the veracity of taking the worm's author at his word that X number of computers have been infected. That's where the 9,000,000 number came from. It may very well be that number, it may be much smaller or even greater. I'd be interested in seeing the final number from a reliable source when the dust settles. I don't think it spreads because people intentionally disabled these security components. There are multiple routes of attack. There are 3 routes, all of which I have already posted: 1. Via the unpatched exploit -- Windows Update would have needed to have been turned off for it not to be patched on XP SP2/SP3 systems, of which there are a good number of, as would have been the firewall as well, since the worm communicates over inbound ports commonly blocked. 2. Via running with admin rights on a patched system. 3. Via a brutish-ish force admin password attack on ADMIN$ shares. I say ish as there is a preset list of passwords it tries. That's it. If you've read of others, let us know. Yes, truth telling can be irritating, but spreading misinformation is both irritating and dangerous. The fact is that we have another major Windows infection in the wild. It does not hit all Windows machines, but it does hit a lot of them. Don't get me started on irritations. Feel free to show us anything of what I've posted is misinformation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the movies now too. Mike On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro wefp...@terra.com.brwrote: Of course it is braking the law. Besides this is highly unfair for the people who worked and made the movie. Marcio At 01:34 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote: We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law really such a problem for you? As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft profit declines, software maker to cut 5,
Microsoft profit declines, software maker to cut 5,000 jobs You heard it here first... Vista main culprit in Microsoft layoffs http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/01/22/Windows_culprit_in_microsoft_layo ffs_1.html And in completely unrelated news... Apple rises 7 percent following strong results http://uk.reuters.com/article/pressReleases/idUKTRE50L3YD20090122 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an authority on law or computers. Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified (emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the assertion. Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are much more in favor of the prosecution. http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace else? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
I hope I'm not being too irritating... US-CERT: Microsoft issued faulty fix for Downadup virus http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41140/108/ Clearly Obama has re-staffed CERT with a bunch of ideological lefties. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
Forgot one path: 4. USB thumb drives -- which is still dependent on 1-3. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X
I'm not sure how else to describe the application. The flight sim (X-plane) needs to read/write the prefs (different from Mac OSX prefs, this is the starting location, aircraft, etc.) Standard trouble shooting practice is to delete the prefs directory (file?). I don't know. I do know that what you describe makes me nervous. Apps need to be kept under control to prevent bad things from happening. I'd be uneasy with that. I have little snitch running in an attempt to prevent that kind of behavior. Little Snitch, while good protection, is for something else. It traps applications that try to phone home. If you run a rogue app on your computer it could disable Little Snitch first and you will never know what happend. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the movies now too. I believe there is a substantial reward for turning Mike in. Does anyone know his address? Shall we agree to split the reward so we can avoid any rude pushing to be first? $65,000 x 200 = 13 Mega Dollars x .25 = $3.25M / 475 = $6842 each more or less * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ain't no MAC virus/trojans, Sure and I have a bridg
ZDNet's Ryan Naraine is reporting that pirated copies of Apple's iWork 09 circulating on BitTorrent and elsewhere are infected with Mac malware. Ironically, Apple recently removed product activation from iWork. So stealing a pirated copy would be especially dumb. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the content is illegal. If you do go over to the doom9 site and read his Revisited story about the DMCA you will see the site owner jummping up and down about how stupid and unconstitutional the judge's decision was. The good guys lost. In that kind of environment it is massively inappropriate to skirt the law and test the fates. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ain't no MAC virus/trojans, Sure and I have a bridge..
Good news...means I don't have to worry about my mac or windows machines :) On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.comwrote: Just to keep the scorecard up to date: G Even though we all know that most pirated software contains some added benefits.. So I guess we might have some Mac bots out there also.. Rich http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/01/mac_malware_found_in_pirated_i.php ZDNet's Ryan Naraine is reporting that pirated copies of Apple's iWork 09 circulating on BitTorrent and elsewhere are infected with Mac malware. According to Mac AV vendor Intego the malware is known as OSX.Trojan.iServices.A. The pirated software is complete and functional but the installer has an additional package, named iWorkServices, that contains the attack. It may ask the user for an administrator password, depending on the version of OS X. After it installs it phones home to a remote server to report that it is installed and awaits remote commands, including the installation of additional software. It loads at boot time and has root access. Sounds very much like a conventional Windows bot. Naraine quotes Intego as saying that at least 20,000 Macs had already downloaded the infected installer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of the software. Answering that question is a crime. Sorry. You should also refrain from asking us how to manufacture nerve gas in your bath tub. Mike will want to show off and tell you, but we won't let him. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? If the file were not protected there would be no need to ask the question. It would be easy to copy by normal means. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] openmeta
GAH! I'm completely down with Tom on this one, I hate the fact I've got this system that can churn out 3d graphics in FPS that look completely real but *I* still have to manually manage where my files are. OS X is definitely the winner over windows on this one, I do like the way it handles files more. Ah, such is life. Maybe windows 8...or 9... On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://code.google.com/p/openmeta/ A while back we were discussing an alternative system for organizing files using tags instead of a folder hierarchy. I gave GMail as a well-executed example and mentioned that OS X has this under the hood, but it is hard to get at. Taking us one step closer is this API (for OS X of course). See ironicsoftware.com for some application of this. Maybe they will FTFF since Apple can't manage! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
I'm poor, you would have better luck turning in rich geeks like Kevin Rose or Leo Laporte...how about windows lover Paul Thurrott? Tom should get his teeth into turning that guy in...hmmm. How about the entire staff at Macworld...or PCMAG? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the movies now too. I believe there is a substantial reward for turning Mike in. Does anyone know his address? Shall we agree to split the reward so we can avoid any rude pushing to be first? $65,000 x 200 = 13 Mega Dollars x .25 = $3.25M / 475 = $6842 each more or less * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ain't no MAC virus/trojans, Sure and I have a bridg
So steal a non-pirated copy? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: ZDNet's Ryan Naraine is reporting that pirated copies of Apple's iWork 09 circulating on BitTorrent and elsewhere are infected with Mac malware. Ironically, Apple recently removed product activation from iWork. So stealing a pirated copy would be especially dumb. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about it. It feels a like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk. Tom is the top act at the floor show. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
It goes for both sides, I suppose the end point is Tom gets to be whatever he wants since he controls the +k/b. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about it. It feels a like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk. Tom is the top act at the floor show. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
What will you rage against of Microsoft did the unthinkable and actually created a secure OS? Is John Stewart upset that George Bush is no longer in the White House? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Tom, While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue. You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution. A lot of people believe they don't have the money to fight such a fight. You don't need money, just backing. And there's plenty of that. So if the DMCA wants to take this all the way to the supreme court, I say go for it! We'll whomp their ass. On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an authority on law or computers. Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified (emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the assertion. Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are much more in favor of the prosecution. http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace else? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. I
Is John Stewart upset that George Bush is no longer in the White House? Let's see how funny he he'll be now that he has to actually work for a living. Besides, I'm more worried about Olberman. That rightous indignation isn't going to raise itself, ya know. Besides, Messoparedmond just doesn't have the same ring to it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue. You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution. Most smart lawyers will advise you to do everything possible to avoid litigation. Litigation against scared people with deep pockets is especially to be avoided. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Hey Tom ...why donna you tella dem all it's OK to copy all dem movies so long as they send you a copy!! ...hehee! -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc] It goes for both sides, I suppose the end point is Tom gets to be whatever he wants since he controls the +k/b. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about it. It feels a like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk. Tom is the top act at the floor show. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] openmeta
Have you seen this alternative to Finder? http://cocoatech.com/ I guess it's been around for a while. Tom Piwowar wrote: http://code.google.com/p/openmeta/ A while back we were discussing an alternative system for organizing files using tags instead of a folder hierarchy. I gave GMail as a well-executed example and mentioned that OS X has this under the hood, but it is hard to get at. Taking us one step closer is this API (for OS X of course). See ironicsoftware.com for some application of this. Maybe they will FTFF since Apple can't manage! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. INFO
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:50:02 -0500, Tony B wrote: What's not really clear is: Since I have auto updates on, am I safe? How can I tell for sure? I really don't want to turn off autorun. Really? I always hated autorun and was looking for a way to kill it off globally (and thank you Rich for that link! :-). I never thought of it as a virus issue, I just don't want Windows trying to be smarter than me. *I* know what I want to do when I plug an external/thumb drive into my computer, or drop a CD into the drive. It's annoying to have an Explorer window (or the autorun dialog) pop up all the time. I speak, of course, only for myself. -- Katan Welcome to ObamaNation! Our long national nightmare is over. Gerald Ford * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review
A long, thorough, and clear-eyed review of Windows 7 worth reading... Microsoft's goal with Windows 7 is to lift Vista's derailed train and put it back on the tracks. Windows 7 itself is internally called Windows 6.1, essentially Vista Service Pack 2 (Microsoft is also preparing a scaled down Vista SP2 for delivery shortly before Windows 7 is released). Microsoft's executives have made no secret of the fact that Windows 7 is an incremental improvement to Windows Vista, with CEO Steve Ballmer calling it Windows Vista, a lot better, and saying, Windows 7 is Windows Vista with cleanup in user interface [and] improvements in performance. Unlike what we were recently told here... Previous features associated with Windows 7, including a componentized new architecture and the new MinWin kernel that Microsoft began talking about back in 2003, are now being pushed off into the distant future along with the relational database WinFS concept from Vista. Instead, Windows 7 will simply repackage today's Vista so that people will buy it without complaining. That means an interface refresh, reduced layers of nagging message popups, and basic performance enhancements. Windows 7 vs. Snow Leopard: Microsoft's comeback plan http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/22/windows_7_vs_snow_leopard_mic rosofts_comeback_plan.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
Obama official said (during transition) they want a delay in converting to HD tv because of various problems, including lack of funding for the coupons. However FCC said (during transition) that delay would cause more problems and the Feb 17 date should remain. Anyone hear if Obama is planning or likely to delay this? I'm hoping so, as don't have a converter or coupon and coupon wait list is months, at least. BTW, if anyone here has any converter coupons they don't need I'd be most appreciative. Or an extra converter box they'd sell cheap, if you live fairly close by (I'm in Chevy Chase). Thanks Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
I've heard rumblings from both directions. One thing to keep in mind...we are talking about just *television*. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: Obama official said (during transition) they want a delay in converting to HD tv because of various problems, including lack of funding for the coupons. However FCC said (during transition) that delay would cause more problems and the Feb 17 date should remain. Anyone hear if Obama is planning or likely to delay this? I'm hoping so, as don't have a converter or coupon and coupon wait list is months, at least. BTW, if anyone here has any converter coupons they don't need I'd be most appreciative. Or an extra converter box they'd sell cheap, if you live fairly close by (I'm in Chevy Chase). Thanks Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
Let's get this over with already. There was no shortage of coupons at all this time LAST year, or before that when we first started talking about it. No matter how far you move the deadline, some people are always going to wait until the last minute. In our neck of the woods it basically means people are going to lose 90% of their channels, as the digital signals just won't penetrate up here. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: Obama official said (during transition) they want a delay in converting to HD tv because of various problems, including lack of funding for the coupons. However FCC said (during transition) that delay would cause more problems and the Feb 17 date should remain. Anyone hear if Obama is planning or likely to delay this? I'm hoping so, as don't have a converter or coupon and coupon wait list is months, at least. BTW, if anyone here has any converter coupons they don't need I'd be most appreciative. Or an extra converter box they'd sell cheap, if you live fairly close by (I'm in Chevy Chase). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review
Microsoft's executives have made no secret of the fact that Windows 7 is an incremental improvement to Windows Vista, with CEO Steve Ballmer calling it Windows Vista, a lot better, and saying, Windows 7 is Windows Vista with cleanup in user interface [and] improvements in performance. To that, I would reply, so what? Previous features associated with Windows 7, including a componentized new architecture and the new MinWin kernel that Microsoft began talking about back in 2003, are now being pushed off into the distant future along with the relational database WinFS concept from Vista. This is why you shouldn't get reviews of MS products from people who don't actually use the product. Minwin is not being pushed off. It's part of the Windows 7 code base. When you use 9 month old sources in your articles, you tend to look uninformed. Here's something from November. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1690 If you have some time to kill, you can hear about Minwin straight from the Russinovich's mouth. http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/mark-russinovich-explains-minwin-onc e-and-for-all.aspx That means an interface refresh, reduced layers of nagging message popups, and basic performance enhancements. And this is bad because * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Let's get this over with already. There was no shortage of coupons at all this time LAST year, or before that when we first started talking about it. No matter how far you move the deadline, some people are always going to wait until the last minute. This time last year the converter boxes were unavailable. I had to settle for what I could find when my ninety days was almost up. From what I hear the selection is better now. It is hard to find someone who carries the ones you want. Most places have one or two. I wouldn't recommend the Magnavox I got at WalMart the Zenith I got a Circuit City was better. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
Look, I admit to procrastinating on this (as I typically do, admittedly) but it seems like they are not really ready for this, for various reasons (see the Post article in, I believe, yesterday's business section). Running out of funding for the coupons is not the fault of those who waited. As always, those who will be most adversely affected are the poor, disabled and maybe throw in those living in rural areas. Those better off disproportionately have Cable or HD tv, so no need for coupons and converter boxes. Randall On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Let's get this over with already. There was no shortage of coupons at all this time LAST year, or before that when we first started talking about it. No matter how far you move the deadline, some people are always going to wait until the last minute. In our neck of the woods it basically means people are going to lose 90% of their channels, as the digital signals just won't penetrate up here. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: Obama official said (during transition) they want a delay in converting to HD tv because of various problems, including lack of funding for the coupons. However FCC said (during transition) that delay would cause more problems and the Feb 17 date should remain. Anyone hear if Obama is planning or likely to delay this? I'm hoping so, as don't have a converter or coupon and coupon wait list is months, at least. BTW, if anyone here has any converter coupons they don't need I'd be most appreciative. Or an extra converter box they'd sell cheap, if you live fairly close by (I'm in Chevy Chase). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
That is in a nutshell what the problem is. However there is also another problem: Delaying the mandatory switch is going to cost TV stations millions of dollars as they will continue to have to double transmit. (many have been ramping up for this and have had two transmitters running, expensive) Also the bandwidth that the police and emergency departments have been waiting for will not be freed up. So they enter in to realm many of us find ourselves in all the time. Damned if we do, and damned if we don't. Stewart At 09:55 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote: Look, I admit to procrastinating on this (as I typically do, admittedly) but it seems like they are not really ready for this, for various reasons (see the Post article in, I believe, yesterday's business section). Running out of funding for the coupons is not the fault of those who waited. As always, those who will be most adversely affected are the poor, disabled and maybe throw in those living in rural areas. Those better off disproportionately have Cable or HD tv, so no need for coupons and converter boxes. Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
I keep wondering why they used tax money for coupons in the first place. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: Look, I admit to procrastinating on this (as I typically do, admittedly) but it seems like they are not really ready for this, for various reasons (see the Post article in, I believe, yesterday's business section). Running out of funding for the coupons is not the fault of those who waited. As always, those who will be most adversely affected are the poor, disabled and maybe throw in those living in rural areas. Those better off disproportionately have Cable or HD tv, so no need for coupons and converter boxes. Randall On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Let's get this over with already. There was no shortage of coupons at all this time LAST year, or before that when we first started talking about it. No matter how far you move the deadline, some people are always going to wait until the last minute. In our neck of the woods it basically means people are going to lose 90% of their channels, as the digital signals just won't penetrate up here. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: Obama official said (during transition) they want a delay in converting to HD tv because of various problems, including lack of funding for the coupons. However FCC said (during transition) that delay would cause more problems and the Feb 17 date should remain. Anyone hear if Obama is planning or likely to delay this? I'm hoping so, as don't have a converter or coupon and coupon wait list is months, at least. BTW, if anyone here has any converter coupons they don't need I'd be most appreciative. Or an extra converter box they'd sell cheap, if you live fairly close by (I'm in Chevy Chase). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
Could it be that they had to find a way to spend all those dollars they accumulated by fining networks and TV stations for many a sundry reasons. Stewart At 10:24 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote: I keep wondering why they used tax money for coupons in the first place. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
Well, we seem intent on subsidizing everyone else these days; maybe they could throw in the TV stations as well. Sure someone could justify it as an economic stimulus or needed subsidy. Millions of dollars - chump change! Randall On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: That is in a nutshell what the problem is. However there is also another problem: Delaying the mandatory switch is going to cost TV stations millions of dollars as they will continue to have to double transmit. (many have been ramping up for this and have had two transmitters running, expensive) Also the bandwidth that the police and emergency departments have been waiting for will not be freed up. So they enter in to realm many of us find ourselves in all the time. Damned if we do, and damned if we don't. Stewart At 09:55 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote: Look, I admit to procrastinating on this (as I typically do, admittedly) but it seems like they are not really ready for this, for various reasons (see the Post article in, I believe, yesterday's business section). Running out of funding for the coupons is not the fault of those who waited. As always, those who will be most adversely affected are the poor, disabled and maybe throw in those living in rural areas. Those better off disproportionately have Cable or HD tv, so no need for coupons and converter boxes. Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:30:18 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: A long, thorough, and clear-eyed review of Windows 7 worth reading... Microsoft's goal with Windows 7 is to lift Vista's derailed train and put it back on the tracks. Windows 7 itself is internally called Windows 6.1, essentially Vista Service Pack 2 (Microsoft is also preparing a Wow! I'll bet Apple paid more than $.67 for *that* review. Hmm. AplleInsider trashing a Microsoft OS. Whodda thunk? -- Katan Welcome to ObamaNation! Our long national nightmare is over. Gerald Ford * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will Obama delay switch to HD?
I got mine last year... went to the store all sold out. Later, I found one, with no remote control. I decided to wait. Finally found one I wanted, pulled out the coupon, discovered it had expired. Went to coupon website... Filled out forms again... told I already had my coupons (BUT THEY HAVE EXPIRED!). Website said I could appeal, but there is no more money to reissue me a coupon now. I have appealed, no response yet. I think this is the issue that Obama is addressing... The program should have been properly funded (or not offered at all). The governemt forced the issue, so I suppose that they should cover the consumer costs for screwing with the free market system. - Brian - Original Message - From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Let's get this over with already. There was no shortage of coupons at all this time LAST year, or before that when we first started talking about it. No matter how far you move the deadline, some people are always going to wait until the last minute. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
