Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I am on the town council in a historic Virginia town of about 700. We provide water and sewer services to in-town residents. In the 1970's, the town built its sewer using state and federal grants to defray almost all of the cost. Connection and availability fees were too low. When we realized we needed to replace it several years ago, all hell broke out because the state and federal grants had disappeared. We have an impressive business base in town, but, as the council member leading the utility, the debt spread over about 500 customers was daunting, about $5m (state of the art membrane technology). We were lucky to get the builder of the inn agree to pay for the new plant in exchange for allowing them to build a 168 room inn, as their availability fee. It is now under construction. Now, we are trying hard to make sure the availability fees will actually cover the cost of the infrastructure that new development consumes. But I must wonder how towns that are not as lucky as us will make do. Will they build cheap plants that are bound to fail? Or will the US start supporting its infrastructure again? We are replacing old water mains and spending more to repair old sewer lines. People still complain loudly that we should cut rates, but that would be ruinous. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- False distinction. By definition excessive taxation would not be good governance. Then we clearly do not have good governance today, and throwing more money at it won't create it. Case closed. That's right we don't have good governance today. Due to the excessive influence of the cons/noecons the public sector is starved. This morning NPR reported that 20 years ago the US spent 7 percent of GNP on infrastructure, now it is just 4 percent. That's why roads and bridges are crumbling and water main breaks are a daily occurance. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I lived in a small town in WI. (350) that also had a sewer system and water system. The state came in and forced them to raise their rates to prevent what you are talking about. They dictated what type of reserve they had to keep and the minimum they could charge to make sure they were getting rebuilding costs along the way. Not bad management on the States part I think. Stewart At 06:50 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: I am on the town council in a historic Virginia town of about 700. We provide water and sewer services to in-town residents. In the 1970's, the town built its sewer using state and federal grants to defray almost all of the cost. Connection and availability fees were too low. When we realized we needed to replace it several years ago, all hell broke out because the state and federal grants had disappeared. We have an impressive business base in town, but, as the council member leading the utility, the debt spread over about 500 customers was daunting, about $5m (state of the art membrane technology). We were lucky to get the builder of the inn agree to pay for the new plant in exchange for allowing them to build a 168 room inn, as their availability fee. It is now under construction. Now, we are trying hard to make sure the availability fees will actually cover the cost of the infrastructure that new development consumes. But I must wonder how towns that are not as lucky as us will make do. Will they build cheap plants that are bound to fail? Or will the US start supporting its infrastructure again? We are replacing old water mains and spending more to repair old sewer lines. People still complain loudly that we should cut rates, but that would be ruinous. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And I agree with the sentiment expressed (though not the supernatural part). I just don't agree that we should use the force of government to compel others to provide what should be voluntary charity. There are things government does best (national defense, protection against predation) and things that faith communities and civic associations do best (basically charity work) and we should not task one with the other. I don't want church militias patrolling the streets, and I don't want government run hospitals. Matthew On Feb 2, 2009, at 8:50 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: ...when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? ...When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? ...When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'...The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'...'whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'...'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.' Or do the neocons prefer Cain who whined, Am I my brother’s keeper? [Yes, we Unitarians also study Biblical history. Stewart - your turn!] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It reads to me that the problem was as you identified it: Connection and availability fees were too low. If you charge what it actually costs then polities have a greater incentive to build only what they need, and users have an incentive to be much more frugal in their use. If you subsidize costs, you get predictable waste. Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) wrote: I am on the town council in a historic Virginia town of about 700. We provide water and sewer services to in-town residents. In the 1970's, the town built its sewer using state and federal grants to defray almost all of the cost. Connection and availability fees were too low. When we realized we needed to replace it several years ago, all hell broke out because the state and federal grants had disappeared. We have an impressive business base in town, but, as the council member leading the utility, the debt spread over about 500 customers was daunting, about $5m (state of the art membrane technology). We were lucky to get the builder of the inn agree to pay for the new plant in exchange for allowing them to build a 168 room inn, as their availability fee. It is now under construction. Now, we are trying hard to make sure the availability fees will actually cover the cost of the infrastructure that new development consumes. But I must wonder how towns that are not as lucky as us will make do. Will they build cheap plants that are bound to fail? Or will the US start supporting its infrastructure again? We are replacing old water mains and spending more to repair old sewer lines. People still complain loudly that we should cut rates, but that would be ruinous. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
There should not be any church militias!!! (Separation of church and state or in theological language kingdom of the left and kingdom of the right.) However Canada's hospital systems belie your comments they are efficiently run and well run. Though they are owned by the government. One of the biggest problems we have here in the states is the profit motive in health care. It has done all sorts of nasty things to our insurance rates and actually lessened health care. Doctors offices and hospitals are only waiting three months before sending accounts out to collection, and that is after collecting the insurance fees. It has all come down to profit, and not care. Stewart At 08:42 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: And I agree with the sentiment expressed (though not the supernatural part). I just don't agree that we should use the force of government to compel others to provide what should be voluntary charity. There are things government does best (national defense, protection against predation) and things that faith communities and civic associations do best (basically charity work) and we should not task one with the other. I don't want church militias patrolling the streets, and I don't want government run hospitals. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I have heard they are well run for emergency services. I have also read that they are severely underfunded with resulting long waits for operations that are not absolutely emergent. I also seem to recall having read that at least one province is fighting hard to make it illegal for anyone to offer supplemental insurance that would allow for out of system health care - do you know anything about this? I do not think the profit motive is the problem. The problem is that we think that society has an absolute obligation to pay whatever it takes to extend life for the last few months / years. An amazingly large amount of our healthcare spending is going towards the last few months from what I have read (but no, I don't have the stats to hand). We also have an absurd government system for the poor that will pay emergency room costs or part of chronic care costs, but not preventative care which is always cheaper in the long run. The real philosophical problem with government paid health care is that if the government (that is civil society at large) pays for it, then the government should be expected to be able to mandate against any personal lifestyle choices that increase costs if they can not pass those costs on to those making the cost increasing choices. Then the question becomes do you have a license for that burger? I don't want to go there. What I would not mind seeing is government mandated insurance pools and the end of employer based health care coverage. Let folks buy their own coverage from regional pools (county level would probably be best) served by competing plans. The key is the plans have to accept everyone, and everyone has to participate, at least at the catastrophic care level of coverage. Yes, it is a diminution of liberty, but a modest one that is a trade off for the fact that society as a whole clearly will not throw the sick and injured to the wolves, so we are at some level going to pay anyway - might as well get some efficiencies then. Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There should not be any church militias!!! (Separation of church and state or in theological language kingdom of the left and kingdom of the right.) However Canada's hospital systems belie your comments they are efficiently run and well run. Though they are owned by the government. One of the biggest problems we have here in the states is the profit motive in health care. It has done all sorts of nasty things to our insurance rates and actually lessened health care. Doctors offices and hospitals are only waiting three months before sending accounts out to collection, and that is after collecting the insurance fees. It has all come down to profit, and not care. Stewart At 08:42 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: And I agree with the sentiment expressed (though not the supernatural part). I just don't agree that we should use the force of government to compel others to provide what should be voluntary charity. There are things government does best (national defense, protection against predation) and things that faith communities and civic associations do best (basically charity work) and we should not task one with the other. I don't want church militias patrolling the streets, and I don't want government run hospitals. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It is more complicated than that. Funding must be identified for future capacity as well as current or new users will be shut out. So we added a modest increase in the new capacity of the new plant. Also, when the state and federal government shut down those grant funds, they left municipal systems hanging out there, most of them not even aware of it. This is a recipe for public health disasters. If those municipal systems fail while the operators chase funding/financing sources, many people will be at risk of some serious diseases. Finally, what predictable waste did I report? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It reads to me that the problem was as you identified it: Connection and availability fees were too low. If you charge what it actually costs then polities have a greater incentive to build only what they need, and users have an incentive to be much more frugal in their use. If you subsidize costs, you get predictable waste. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I can tell you how it works as I have lived there and have experienced it first hand. One thing we know is that they are flat funded. In other words they only get so many bucks a year, and do not collect from the patient any money. Not all hospitals have MRI or CTScan machines or other high buck devices. You have to schedule those and if they are only schedule for 5 a day that is all they will perform. If a high need patient comes in they have first priority. They ration their health care, thereby limiting the amount they spend. Now before you think patients do not get the need or care they should have, every Hospital I went into in Canada was well run and staff was very pleasant and very much there for the patients. My first child was born with heat abnormalities and receive the very best of care in a Canadian hospital. His doctors were mostly Americans. His Resident was from Washington University. I never saw a doctors bill or hospital bill for his three stay in ten hospital and for his surgeries and care. In America nit would have bankrupted me. I was just starting out at my first placement. Making less than 14K a year. Some provinces have tried to prevent dual tier medical systems from happening by limiting and outlawing extra charges by Doctors and Insurance plans to pay such. You have to buy supplemental insurance if you want semi private or other things that the provincial health plan does not cover. (Prescription plan, needed crutches etc.) Provincial plan only covers ward stay (4-8 beds per ward) These hospitals also had Chronic care wings in which chronic folks (elderly, medically disabled) would stay and get needed medical care, but not extraordinary care. Their nursing homes were also a joy to visit and work in. Most were locally run or community run. Canada does run their medical system but has not gotten into lifestyle dictates. They have a higher percentage than we do of smoking, plus they drink more than we do. Plus it is an insurance plan, at least the medical part. The biggest draw back is that they do ration health care. No one is left out of the insurance pool, and everyone at least gets a minimum of care at no charge. Does that lead to some abuse, yes it does. I think again it is a fine balancing act. We have not tried balancing it yet. Stewart At 09:37 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: I have heard they are well run for emergency services. I have also read that they are severely underfunded with resulting long waits for operations that are not absolutely emergent. I also seem to recall having read that at least one province is fighting hard to make it illegal for anyone to offer supplemental insurance that would allow for out of system health care - do you know anything about this? I do not think the profit motive is the problem. The problem is that we think that society has an absolute obligation to pay whatever it takes to extend life for the last few months / years. An amazingly large amount of our healthcare spending is going towards the last few months from what I have read (but no, I don't have the stats to hand). We also have an absurd government system for the poor that will pay emergency room costs or part of chronic care costs, but not preventative care which is always cheaper in the long run. The real philosophical problem with government paid health care is that if the government (that is civil society at large) pays for it, then the government should be expected to be able to mandate against any personal lifestyle choices that increase costs if they can not pass those costs on to those making the cost increasing choices. Then the question becomes do you have a license for that burger? I don't want to go there. What I would not mind seeing is government mandated insurance pools and the end of employer based health care coverage. Let folks buy their own coverage from regional pools (county level would probably be best) served by competing plans. The key is the plans have to accept everyone, and everyone has to participate, at least at the catastrophic care level of coverage. Yes, it is a diminution of liberty, but a modest one that is a trade off for the fact that society as a whole clearly will not throw the sick and injured to the wolves, so we are at some level going to pay anyway - might as well get some efficiencies then. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
That is normally done in most areas. My mother has septic, but is surrounded by the city. They have no intent on running lines into my mothers subdivision but if they choose to sign on with the city they will charge them a large hook up fee, and then the customer will have to pay to run the line from the house to the street, WHEN THE LINE IS PUT IN. (No guarantee on when) Oh all this must be paid up front. Nice way for a city to cash in and then procrastinate. Our church is on septic although we are well within the city limits. We have been told that if we want to hook up, we must put in a grinder pump system of City Approved pumps and pay the city a yearly fee to service the pumps. Oh plus a hook up fee for commercial properties. Guess that is why we have kept our septic system. Stewart At 10:07 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: That is actually a simple problem to solve. You charge new customers the cost of extending service / capacity to them. If a developer wants to put in 50 houses a couple miles out from the current termination point of the service, you charge the developer the full cost of bringing in the services. They in turn will fold that into the resale cost of the houses. If folks won't buy at that price, smart developers won't build. The waste is folks using utilities inefficiently because there is no economic incentive to do otherwise. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
That is a vastly over-simplified account. I never recoup the cost of my water or sewer plants in your scenario. You also ignore the disruption when the state or federal government suddenly ignores these infrastructures. Life sounds very simple in your world. Probably too simple. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- That is actually a simple problem to solve. You charge new customers the cost of extending service / capacity to them. If a developer wants to put in 50 houses a couple miles out from the current termination point of the service, you charge the developer the full cost of bringing in the services. They in turn will fold that into the resale cost of the houses. If folks won't buy at that price, smart developers won't build. The waste is folks using utilities inefficiently because there is no economic incentive to do otherwise. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
How do you not recoup your costs if you charge appropriately for the cost of service? Part of the cost is a reserve for predictable maintenance and growth. Why is a town relying on state funds to provide service to the town? Why should the town not be providing all strictly local service? If the town / municipal district / county runs the water system then the residents of that jurisdiction should bear the costs. If you don't suck at a higher government teat, then there are no worries about the flow being cut off. I hear this quandary quite frequently in MD (and from VA as well). A developer wants to build a new mega housing development somewhere on the fringe. The existence of these new households will impose additional up front costs on the jurisdiction, usually in the form of roads, water, sewer, schools, power, emergency services, etc. There is much wailing about how can we afford this vs. we need growth. I have yet to see a government say - Go right a head mega-builder corp. Our estimates show a cost to us of $N per unit constructed. Payment is due before you break ground. Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) wrote: That is a vastly over-simplified account. I never recoup the cost of my water or sewer plants in your scenario. You also ignore the disruption when the state or federal government suddenly ignores these infrastructures. Life sounds very simple in your world. Probably too simple. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- That is actually a simple problem to solve. You charge new customers the cost of extending service / capacity to them. If a developer wants to put in 50 houses a couple miles out from the current termination point of the service, you charge the developer the full cost of bringing in the services. They in turn will fold that into the resale cost of the houses. If folks won't buy at that price, smart developers won't build. The waste is folks using utilities inefficiently because there is no economic incentive to do otherwise. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
For someone with so many criticisms of government, you know curiously little about actually running one! If I don't charge an amount proportional to the customer's use of the system, when it comes time to replace those parts of that system, where will the money come from? (Developers hate me for charging this, but eventually I will go bust if we don't.) We have water and sewer treatment plants, water towers, etc. I need to plan for end of life of all of these. Where do you think water and sewer systems came from? The Indians did not leave them behind! The federal government set requirements for the states in the previous century, who required municipal governments to have these facilities. The state and the federal governments provided much of the funding so we could meet their requirements. (We perform testing every day so we can report to the state, who would yank our license if we do not.) The higher government-teat is the group that tells us exactly what all of our requirements are. So, how do we play the big-shot you describe? You play tough-guy with mega-bucks developers with so little planning and see how fast they drag You into court (and they would clean you out with that kind of planning)! You need to learn a lot before any of your positions will make any sense or could be implemented in the real world. Your ideas are about as practical as telling your doctor how to diagnose, prescribe for and operate on you. You describe a fantasy world, not reality. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How do you not recoup your costs if you charge appropriately for the cost of service? Part of the cost is a reserve for predictable maintenance and growth. Why is a town relying on state funds to provide service to the town? Why should the town not be providing all strictly local service? If the town / municipal district / county runs the water system then the residents of that jurisdiction should bear the costs. If you don't suck at a higher government teat, then there are no worries about the flow being cut off. I hear this quandary quite frequently in MD (and from VA as well). A developer wants to build a new mega housing development somewhere on the fringe. The existence of these new households will impose additional up front costs on the jurisdiction, usually in the form of roads, water, sewer, schools, power, emergency services, etc. There is much wailing about how can we afford this vs. we need growth. I have yet to see a government say - Go right a head mega-builder corp. Our estimates show a cost to us of $N per unit constructed. Payment is due before you break ground. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
On Feb 3, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) wrote: If I don't charge an amount proportional to the customer's use of the system, when it comes time to replace those parts of that system, where will the money come from? (Developers hate me for charging this, but eventually I will go bust if we don't.) We have water and sewer treatment plants, water towers, etc. I need to plan for end of life of all of these. Where did you get that I thought that? I am saying you have to charge for all the costs, and should have done so from the get go. Where do you think water and sewer systems came from? The Indians did not leave them behind! The federal government set requirements for the states in the previous century, who required municipal governments to have these facilities. The state and the federal governments provided much of the funding so we could meet their requirements. (We perform testing every day so we can report to the state, who would yank our license if we do not.) And your charges should include the cost of that testing and meeting those requirements. The higher government-teat is the group that tells us exactly what all of our requirements are. So, how do we play the big-shot you describe? By charging your customers the costs associated with meeting those requirements of course. You play tough-guy with mega-bucks developers with so little planning and see how fast they drag You into court (and they would clean you out with that kind of planning)! Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? You describe a fantasy world, not reality. I am describing how it ought to be done, not how it is presently being done. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Um, not all of us have lived our entire lives in the US, and some of us even have non region one dvds and non region one dvd players that we've purchased in other countries. So? Since when has personal necessity trumped the Law? Tell it to Jean Valjean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Opening jpeg files
Somehow, my WinXP has lost its pointer to which program is supposed to open jpeg files - which is a pain because I don't know what I was using. Any suggestions? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Opening jpeg files
Locate the file in an Explorer window (My Computer), right-click it and select Open with, and be sure to select the checkbox to always open with the app you choose. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Ralph rs9...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow, my WinXP has lost its pointer to which program is supposed to open jpeg files - which is a pain because I don't know what I was using. Any suggestions? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Opening jpeg files
go to a document. right clik. choose open with. should be a box somewhere to check to say always open this type program with wp() what's wp? come back if wp does not show up in the open with column. At 02:00 PM 2/3/2009, you wrote: I'm having the same problem with OS X since the update, except that they are pc docs now opening in textedit rather than wp. Can you help? With thanks in advance. --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Opening jpeg files To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:30 PM Locate the file in an Explorer window (My Computer), right-click it and select Open with, and be sure to select the checkbox to always open with the app you choose. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Ralph rs9...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow, my WinXP has lost its pointer to which program is supposed to open jpeg files - which is a pain because I don't know what I was using. Any suggestions? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009 - Special issue (#2009-138)
To change the application for a single file, it's very similar to the windows situation. Right-click on the file and in the popup menu select the application from the Open With… menu item. Or, open the application and drop the file icon onto the application icon in the dock. To permanently change the application that opens all files of a given type, select a file of that type and Get Info on it (using the File menu or command-I or by right-clicking on it). Expand the Open With: section of the Info window if it is not already expanded (click on the right-pointing triangle), select the application you want to use from the menu there, then use the Change All… button. If you do this to use Preview to open PDFs instead of Acrobat Reader, PDFs will open much more quickly, and as a recent thread pointed out, you can do copy/paste from some PDFs with Preview but not with Reader. On Feb 3, 2009, at 2:00 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Subject: Re: Opening jpeg files I'm having the same problem with OS X since the update, except that they are pc docs now opening in textedit rather than wp. Can you help? With thanks in advance. --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Opening jpeg files To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:30 PM Locate the file in an Explorer window (My Computer), right-click it and select Open with, and be sure to select the checkbox to always open with the app you choose. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Ralph rs9...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow, my WinXP has lost its pointer to which program is supposed to open jpeg files - which is a pain because I don't know what I was using. Any suggestions? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:55:15 -0500, Tony B wrote: Is this true? Is there a shortage of forums for political discussions these days? I wouldn't know, as I rarely indulge. Perhaps we need a new forum - PGUYS (Political Guys). On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: No, I'm fond of political discussion, when not out of control. This is one of the few groups I've found that allows it. At least to a certain extent. We used to have an off-topic list (a separate Linux list, too). Whatever happened to that? -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Yes, this was a common solution for mailing lists in their heyday - a companion 'OT' list. A good idea to help keep the noise level down. But I don't think the AOL software allows a group moderator to move threads. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: We used to have an off-topic list (a separate Linux list, too). Whatever happened to that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Opening jpeg files
go to a document. right clik. choose open with. should be a box somewhere to check to say always open this type program with wp() Right click and select Get Info. One of the panels there will let you set it for the document. A button there lets you make it general. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...
Good answer. Terrible subject line. Especially now, as the thread that ate the CGUYS list continues, it is important to have the correct subject line on replies. To change the application for a single file, it's very similar to the windows situation. Right-click on the file and in the popup menu select the application from the Open WithÖ menu item. Or, open the application and drop the file icon onto the application icon in the dock. To permanently change the application that opens all files of a given type, select a file of that type and Get Info on it (using the File menu or command-I or by right-clicking on it). Expand the Open With: section of the Info window if it is not already expanded (click on the right-pointing triangle), select the application you want to use from the menu there, then use the Change AllÖ button. If you do this to use Preview to open PDFs instead of Acrobat Reader, PDFs will open much more quickly, and as a recent thread pointed out, you can do copy/paste from some PDFs with Preview but not with Reader. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
We used to have an off-topic list (a separate Linux list, too). Whatever happened to that? These got very little use and are now gone. I bet our politics thread will be gone soon too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Yes, this was a common solution for mailing lists in their heyday - a companion 'OT' list. A good idea to help keep the noise level down. But I don't think the AOL software allows a group moderator to move threads. I think AOL management has forgotten that this server even exists. How many times have they been reorganized, merged, unmerged, and remerged since we started. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Obviously Mathew, you are a neocon. Just like Barney Frank had nothing to do with the fall of fannie/freddie...even though you can read NYT stories about it...all a neocon plot. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Matthew S. Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.comwrote: Tom, Did you ever notice that most of the big urban areas, with the big breaking water mains and such (and troubling schools, and pot hole filled roads) are not run by your pet bogeymen, the cons/neocons, but mostly by liberals / political machine Democrats? Could it be that pandering to unions and appeasing every interest group in site has not worked? Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
The point is, there are tons of places that you can go to for a fix on needlepoint, and a ton of political discussion forums as well. Not too many mind the occasional OT comment on a list, but I too have felt that impulse to stop the flood of politics in my inbox with an unsub. Or at least a nomail if it's available. Ya, we can make a filter, but why should we have to? On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Matthew S. Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all - I might learn some interesting stuff. My daughter has gotten into crocheting, and cross stitch, and I can see embroidery on the way. Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: At 03:57 PM 02/03/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote These got very little use and are now gone. I bet our politics thread will be gone soon too. I hope so. I'm about ready to unsub. The subject of politics is not why I joined this list. I'd rather discuss needlework on here--would anyone mind? Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
At 05:18 PM 02/03/2009 -0500, Matthew S. Taylor wrote Not at all - I might learn some interesting stuff. My daughter has gotten into crocheting, and cross stitch, and I can see embroidery on the way. Matthew OK, I'm just finishing my 7th Teresa Wentzler cross stitch project and looking forward to starting the 8th. I also have the senior citizens in town cutting plastic grocery bags into strips and crocheting sturdy grocery totes out of them. They're all happy about trying to be green, and it keeps them busy and outta bars. :) Now I will tell you that you're all supposed to be impressed, since y'all probably understand/care as much about this as I do about politics. :) At least I'm producing something, which is more than you guys are doing! Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I don't know where you live, but here on the West Coast that's just wrong. Many of those so called liberals do run some of the larger cities. But as the neocons enjoy saying, most of the land in this country is controlled by smaller cities and towns usually run by mostly neocons. Here is Washington state it's been a long call for the splitting of the state, mostly by the cons/neocons who feel their voice isn't being heard. The Seattle/Tacoma area does maintain the majority of the people of my state. And that majority does control most policy here. But city by city and town by town this is far from the truth. The problems many of us face here are a direct result of con/neocon local policy. It totally amazes me here that many of our local people will complain and moan about being ripped off by the more affluent in our area, and then turn around and vote them in after hearing a few of the neocon scare tactics. What a bunch of morons. They get what they deserve. Jeff M On Feb 3, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Matthew S. Taylor wrote: Tom, Did you ever notice that most of the big urban areas, with the big breaking water mains and such (and troubling schools, and pot hole filled roads) are not run by your pet bogeymen, the cons/neocons, but mostly by liberals / political machine Democrats? Could it be that pandering to unions and appeasing every interest group in site has not worked? Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Fedora and a Mac home network
Samba appears to be the answer. I will read the manual. Will using it create any problems with my current Mac network? Thanks Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...
As I've said before (but not recently), I get the list in digest form and have to paste in the subject line manually. Sometimes I forget. I apologize for doing it again (as I have apologized for doing it previously). It would be horribly distracting for me to get each posting as it comes in, particularly with the current discussion raging on spouting bad economic arguments that are painful for me to read. Hence, the digest. Anyone else feeling the same way about that discussion may want to consider switching to digest for a while, and just scroll past the nonsense at their own convenience. There are so many postings, the digest is arriving quite frequently, so using it won't put you very much out of sync. Good answer. Terrible subject line. Especially now, as the thread that ate the CGUYS list continues, it is important to have the correct subject line on replies. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
At 03:57 PM 02/03/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote These got very little use and are now gone. I bet our politics thread will be gone soon too. I hope so. I'm about ready to unsub. The subject of politics is not why I joined this list. I'd rather discuss needlework on here--would anyone mind? Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Tom, Did you ever notice that most of the big urban areas, with the big breaking water mains and such (and troubling schools, and pot hole filled roads) are not run by your pet bogeymen, the cons/neocons, but mostly by liberals / political machine Democrats? Could it be that pandering to unions and appeasing every interest group in site has not worked? Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] most likely an easy itunes question...
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:27:28 -0700, mike wrote: I'm wondering if this is simply a preference in coding by the itunes guys...figuring that the same album name might crop up enough as to not let it be an album unless expressly noted if there are different artists. I'm thinking though that there are more albums with multiple artists then albums with the same names and years. I think it has more to do with if you let iTunes to keep your music folder organized. If a sound track album (or any other album with multiple artists on it) is marked as a compilation, iTunes puts that album in the compilations folder. Otherwise, it'll spread it out into the folders of whatever artists are on it. -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] most likely an easy itunes question...
I've never let itunes manage the music...can't help but think that would be a mess. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:00 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:27:28 -0700, mike wrote: I'm wondering if this is simply a preference in coding by the itunes guys...figuring that the same album name might crop up enough as to not let it be an album unless expressly noted if there are different artists. I'm thinking though that there are more albums with multiple artists then albums with the same names and years. I think it has more to do with if you let iTunes to keep your music folder organized. If a sound track album (or any other album with multiple artists on it) is marked as a compilation, iTunes puts that album in the compilations folder. Otherwise, it'll spread it out into the folders of whatever artists are on it. -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It's too bad those bridges fell down under lefties/socialists who were running the city into the ground before they were led off to jail. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Fedora and a Mac home network
Not really but it will come with its own occasional issues... one of which is the anomalies involved with bringing together different file systems that use different systems of measuremen/ reportage etc. It's a great piece of software that has been around a long time but it's still another layer and complexity of software you are depending on so there will be overhead. Understanding it's setup, maintainance and usage is the first step. db Stephen Brownfield wrote: Samba appears to be the answer. I will read the manual. Will using it create any problems with my current Mac network? Thanks Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 F
Anyone else feeling the same way about that discussion may want to consider switching to digest for a while, and just scroll past the nonsense at their own convenience. As many of us have said before. Set up email rules to sort [CGUYS] into its own folder. This is far better than digest. While many of us object to someone telling us what to do with money, everybody believes it is perfectly fine to tell you how to run your computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
I agree. This thread will die soon. But joining this group was in direct response to an absolute hate of the Kartel, another group of list owners I and others used to term the Kartel Nazi's. One word or subject out of bounds would cause suspension or banning... And Jeff is proof of that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Your suggestions are as practical to me as an instruction on driving elephants that I might write for you. Sure, I've seen elephants at the circus, zoo and on TV. Perhaps more than you've seen about actual government budgeting, legislation and operations? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Feb 3, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) wrote: If I don't charge an amount proportional to the customer's use of the system, when it comes time to replace those parts of that system, where will the money come from? (Developers hate me for charging this, but eventually I will go bust if we don't.) We have water and sewer treatment plants, water towers, etc. I need to plan for end of life of all of these. Where did you get that I thought that? I am saying you have to charge for all the costs, and should have done so from the get go. Where do you think water and sewer systems came from? The Indians did not leave them behind! The federal government set requirements for the states in the previous century, who required municipal governments to have these facilities. The state and the federal governments provided much of the funding so we could meet their requirements. (We perform testing every day so we can report to the state, who would yank our license if we do not.) And your charges should include the cost of that testing and meeting those requirements. The higher government-teat is the group that tells us exactly what all of our requirements are. So, how do we play the big-shot you describe? By charging your customers the costs associated with meeting those requirements of course. You play tough-guy with mega-bucks developers with so little planning and see how fast they drag You into court (and they would clean you out with that kind of planning)! Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? You describe a fantasy world, not reality. I am describing how it ought to be done, not how it is presently being done. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Ah, wry wit . . . leaves me in stitches! BTW, in Arabic the powers that control are described as those who loosen and bind (ahl al hal w'al `aqd) so your stitches and your politics are not always pulling on separate strands. Cheers! Sue Cubic wrote: At 05:18 PM 02/03/2009 -0500, Matthew S. Taylor wrote Not at all - I might learn some interesting stuff. My daughter has gotten into crocheting, and cross stitch, and I can see embroidery on the way. Matthew OK, I'm just finishing my 7th Teresa Wentzler cross stitch project and looking forward to starting the 8th. I also have the senior citizens in town cutting plastic grocery bags into strips and crocheting sturdy grocery totes out of them. They're all happy about trying to be green, and it keeps them busy and outta bars. :) Now I will tell you that you're all supposed to be impressed, since y'all probably understand/care as much about this as I do about politics. :) At least I'm producing something, which is more than you guys are doing! Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Opening jpeg files
I'm having the same problem with OS X since the update, except that they are pc docs now opening in textedit rather than wp. Can you help? With thanks in advance. --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Opening jpeg files To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:30 PM Locate the file in an Explorer window (My Computer), right-click it and select Open with, and be sure to select the checkbox to always open with the app you choose. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Ralph rs9...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow, my WinXP has lost its pointer to which program is supposed to open jpeg files - which is a pain because I don't know what I was using. Any suggestions? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Not at all - I might learn some interesting stuff. My daughter has gotten into crocheting, and cross stitch, and I can see embroidery on the way. Matthew On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: At 03:57 PM 02/03/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote These got very little use and are now gone. I bet our politics thread will be gone soon too. I hope so. I'm about ready to unsub. The subject of politics is not why I joined this list. I'd rather discuss needlework on here-- would anyone mind? Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
You need to learn a lot before any of your positions will make any sense or could be implemented in the real world. Your ideas are about as practical as telling your doctor how to diagnose, prescribe for and operate on you. You describe a fantasy world, not reality. But they do tell doctors how to diagnose, prescribe and operate. Results * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Did you ever notice that most of the big urban areas, with the big breaking water mains and such (and troubling schools, and pot hole filled roads) are not run by your pet bogeymen, the cons/neocons, but mostly by liberals / political machine Democrats? Could it be that pandering to unions and appeasing every interest group in site has not worked? Hardly true, the union guys want the work. Who built Central Park? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
And Jeff is proof of that. Both of them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
--- I hope so. I'm about ready to unsub. The subject of politics is not why I joined this list. I'd rather discuss needlework on here--would anyone mind? So post something about computers, will you. Whining is prohibited. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
Count me in, Sue! I'm just getting over a really bad cold. I took to my bed for about a week, and I've almost completed a needlepoint pillow (really complicated design) while resting in bed. It kept me from going completely crazy during the week. If you know of any sites with good stitch guides, or good patterns, that would be great! I'd especially be interested in any iron on patterns, if they exist, as the canvases I've been buying are embarrassingly expensive. Mical Wimoth Carton chrper...@aol.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! blah, blah
I agree. That's the advantage of the digest for me as well. I can quickly scroll past those messages that annoy me to find the few gems at times like this. YMMV It would be horribly distracting for me to get each posting as it comes in, particularly with the current discussion raging on spouting bad economic arguments that are painful for me to read. Hence, the digest. Anyone else feeling the same way about that discussion may want to consider switching to digest for a while, and just scroll past the nonsense at their own convenience. There are so many postings, the digest is arriving quite frequently, so using it won't put you very much out of sync. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
At 08:54 PM 02/03/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote --- I hope so. I'm about ready to unsub. The subject of politics is not why I joined this list. I'd rather discuss needlework on here--would anyone mind? So post something about computers, will you. Whining is prohibited. I do, when I have a question. I know just enough about computers to recognize a problem, and that's why I'm here! Overall, what I've learned on lists like this is being passed along... I have started teaching computer use at our local senior center. I have a little 4-machine lab and a whole bunch of people who are curious, yet afraid of new technology. One by one they are starting to come in to try their hand at it. I have browsers set to open with Google and 2 people now have Gmail accounts. It's only been 2 weeks, and some of them are becoming fairly confident with the machines. Anyone who wants a bit of more advanced help can ask for it. It's very rewarding to watch them walk out with big smiles on their faces. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
