Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[Marcio]

Yes but only Skype to Skype...for free.

Marcio


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>Don't forget that you can also get VOIP services like Skype at zero  
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[CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Jeffrey Myers]

I'm looking for a device that produces a background noise for sleeping at
night.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[John H. Davis]

Constance Warner wrote:
Well, if this is a "nonstory," I'll be happy.  Killing landlines would 
be a nuisance for most of us, a real hardship for some of us, and a 
bonanza for the phone companies.


But while we're at it, we might ask why the cellphone service in this 
country mostly sucks, why you can't use iPhones with any carrier, and 
why there are more sophisticated cellphone services (like cellphone 
banking) in the third world, than we have here in the U.S.


Computer Inquiry II,  Divestiture, and Equal Accesss, for starters.

ConstanceOn one hand you want the telcos to have to maintain old 
non profitable services and on the other, new innovative services that 
all work the same and have interchangeable terminal gear? 

I didn't realize that our phone service was so far behind the rest of 
the world.Lighten up.



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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[mike]

Target/walmart both sell radio/white noise devices.

I use a couple of fans, keeps cool and creates a nice hum.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Jeffrey Myers wrote:

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> night.  Any suggestions?
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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Jeffrey Myers wrote:

> I'm looking for a device that produces a background noise for sleeping at
> night.  Any suggestions?
>
> Do you know what kind of noise would you like?  I know people use fans,
white noise generators, sound tracks with nature sounds...  An iPod/mp3
player on a speaker system with something set in a continuous loop could
easily work to test out what sort noise works for you.

Brookstone usually has some stuff in the stores for both standard white
noise generators and iPod speakers.

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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[mike]

As far as I'm concerned the telcos can go away even though I have to use
one.  In my area Qwest has received tax incentives and done nothing to
either expand or improve existing tech, they have been at a standstill for
at least five years.  On the other side, Cox has not only expanded, but has
increased speed multiple times to existing customers and kept prices lower
than Qwest.  My only hope is wimax, but then you run into such problems as
packet shaping...do the recent laws regarding such things expand to cell
companies doing net access?

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:24 AM, John H. Davis
wrote:

> Constance Warner wrote:
>
>> Well, if this is a "nonstory," I'll be happy.  Killing landlines would be
>> a nuisance for most of us, a real hardship for some of us, and a bonanza for
>> the phone companies.
>>
>> But while we're at it, we might ask why the cellphone service in this
>> country mostly sucks, why you can't use iPhones with any carrier, and why
>> there are more sophisticated cellphone services (like cellphone banking) in
>> the third world, than we have here in the U.S.
>>
>
> Computer Inquiry II,  Divestiture, and Equal Accesss, for starters.
> ConstanceOn one hand you want the telcos to have to maintain old
> non profitable services and on the other, new innovative services that all
> work the same and have interchangeable terminal gear?
> I didn't realize that our phone service was so far behind the rest of the
> world.Lighten up.
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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Tony B]

I've seen clock radios with noise built in. I noticed something
recently - our Walmart humidifier, on a fan level of 2/3, hums along
nicely and covers up a lot of noise. Of course, it's only useful in
winter.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Fred Holmes]

At 12:57 AM 1/2/2010, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>  I believe the only real fear of change as per this discussion is the
>almost taken for granted thought that at&t, and probably other
>landline telephone providers, will find a way to stick it to the
>public.

That's what most change (e.g. healthcare reform) is all about. 


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Constance Warner]

Guess I kind of like maintaining the basics rather than the frills-- 
universal access is the most important goal, as far as I'm  
concerned.  If this means fewer profits (or a status as a government- 
regulated utility) for telephone and communications companies, then  
that's OK with me.  Last time I looked, "making more money for big  
corporations" isn't in the Constitution; "promote the general  
welfare" is.  So I'm all for an FCC that looks out for us, the  
public, instead of bowing to pressure from Big Telecom.


As for frills and new gadgetry: as long as they can be made available  
without losing basic telephone services, then I'm all for the latest  
bells and whistles.  Hey, it would be cool to have a smart phone with  
all those trendy apps.  I just don't like "innovation" used as an  
excuse to raise prices to the point that basic telephony is out of  
reach for a large percentage of the population.  (I don't even like  
the prospect of much higher telephone bills for people who CAN afford  
it.)   I also don't like the planned abandonment of large portions of  
the country where no corporation wants to put up cell towers.


This whole thing looks like the replacement of light rail with cars  
and GM-built buses in the 30's and 40's.  Right now, municipalities  
are trying to rebuild what was destroyed in the name of corporate  
profits.  Destroying low-cost public transit wasn't a good idea, and  
abolishing landlines isn't either.


--Constance Warner


On Jan 2, 2010, at 10:24 AM, John H. Davis wrote:


Constance Warner wrote:
Well, if this is a "nonstory," I'll be happy.  Killing landlines  
would be a nuisance for most of us, a real hardship for some of  
us, and a bonanza for the phone companies.


But while we're at it, we might ask why the cellphone service in  
this country mostly sucks, why you can't use iPhones with any  
carrier, and why there are more sophisticated cellphone services  
(like cellphone banking) in the third world, than we have here in  
the U.S.


Computer Inquiry II,  Divestiture, and Equal Accesss, for starters.
ConstanceOn one hand you want the telcos to have to  
maintain old non profitable services and on the other, new  
innovative services that all work the same and have interchangeable  
terminal gear?
I didn't realize that our phone service was so far behind the rest  
of the world.Lighten up.



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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Fred Holmes]

Haven't looked recently, but I've seen regular "music" CD discs for that 
purpose.  Just pop it into your CD player and set it on repeat.

Record or purchase an mp3 track with whatever sound you want and set it to 
repeat on your iPod or favorite mp3 player, sitting in a docking station that 
has speakers.

Google "white noise mp3 file" and you get lots of options.  Rain noise perhaps? 
 The mp3 option gives you the ability to change to a different background noise 
easily.

If you are really looking for a stand-alone noise box, Google "white noise box".

http://www.white-noise.us/

is the first hit.

I never have any trouble falling asleep, so I can't advise as to what is 
actually effective.  Exhaustion works for me.

Fred Holmes

At 09:47 AM 1/2/2010, Jeffrey Myers wrote:
>I'm looking for a device that produces a background noise for sleeping at
>night.  Any suggestions?
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>Thanks,
>Jeff Myers


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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Allen Firstenberg]

An ipod shuffle set on repeat and a white or pink noise audio file.
Has worked great for us for over a year now.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Jeffrey Myers wrote:

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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Robert Carroll]

Jeffrey Myers wrote:

I'm looking for a device that produces a background noise for sleeping at
night.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Jeff Myers
  
Depends on what kind of noise makes you sleep.  E.g., city dwellers who 
move to the country can't sleep because of the chirping of birds, the 
wind in the trees, or simply the silence.  Country dwellers who move to 
the city can't sleep because of the traffic noise, revelry, sirens, and 
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[CGUYS] bug

[Christopher Range]

When I am in Firefox and, I do a search on Google, when I click on one 
of the links in the search, it goes to an entirely different address 
than, the address shown with the link.  What could be the reason for 
this happening?


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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[John DeCarlo]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Christopher Range wrote:

> When I am in Firefox and, I do a search on Google, when I click on one of
> the links in the search, it goes to an entirely different address than, the
> address shown with the link.  What could be the reason for this happening?
>

We don't have enough information, really, to tell you.

Here are some possibilities:

1.  You don't understand how the links are displayed in Google.

2.  The link you go to is the same one, but it redirects you to another
link.

3.  There is some problem with your DNS.

4.  You aren't really at Google, but a phishing site.

5.  You have some malware on your system.

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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[Christopher Range]

On 1/2/2010 12:46 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Christopher Rangewrote:

   

When I am in Firefox and, I do a search on Google, when I click on one of
the links in the search, it goes to an entirely different address than, the
address shown with the link.  What could be the reason for this happening?

 

We don't have enough information, really, to tell you.

Here are some possibilities:

1.  You don't understand how the links are displayed in Google.

2.  The link you go to is the same one, but it redirects you to another
link.

3.  There is some problem with your DNS.

4.  You aren't really at Google, but a phishing site.

5.  You have some malware on your system.

   


1. I do understand how the links on Google are displayed

2. I tried that a couple times, to see if that was a possibility.  When 
I copied the link and tried it in IE, there was the same problem.


3. The DNS is fine.

4. I know how to get to Google.  As for a phishing site, that sounds 
plausible.


5. I sure hope not.

Christopher


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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Robert Carroll
 wrote:

> Country dwellers who move to the city can't
> sleep because of the traffic noise, revelry, sirens, and occasional gunfire.

  A little bit of correction may be in order here.  I have moved to
the country from the city, and I can tell you that while I did hear a
gunshot or two over my years in the city, I now hear maybe a gunshot
or two every minute or so on occasion out here in the country.  In
most country settings, the discharging of firearms is not only legal,
it is almost a religion.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

It depends on where and what time of the season it is.

In Wisconsin I expected to hear gunshots from the Saturday before 
Thanksgiving until the Sunday after Thanksgiving.


the 9 day rifle/shotgun deer hunting season.

Other than that it was only an occasional gunshot we heard.

10 years of living in the country.

Stewart


At 12:27 PM 1/2/2010, you wrote:

  A little bit of correction may be in order here.  I have moved to
the country from the city, and I can tell you that while I did hear a
gunshot or two over my years in the city, I now hear maybe a gunshot
or two every minute or so on occasion out here in the country.  In
most country settings, the discharging of firearms is not only legal,
it is almost a religion.

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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[Tony B]

Is it sending you to one site, random sites? Spam sites or what? When
you hover in your browser does the address displayed match the address
you go to when you click?

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Christopher Range  wrote:
> When I am in Firefox and, I do a search on Google, when I click on one of
> the links in the search, it goes to an entirely different address than, the
> address shown with the link.  What could be the reason for this happening?


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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Tony B]

You mean in the morning recently? Probably just deer season. Depending
on your state, chances are they can't hunt on Sunday. And the season
doesn't last long. Regardless, I'm sure it's illegal to shoot close to
houses, so don't get a noisemaker; call the police! They will talk to
them.

What bothers us woods dwellers more than shooting is the sound of
*construction*. Carries for miles, and means more forest is being
ripped up. Starts with the eerie subsonic sounds of the well drillers,
usually ends with the heavy equipment trying to cover all the plumbing
and make a yard.

>  A little bit of correction may be in order here.  I have moved to
> the country from the city, and I can tell you that while I did hear a
> gunshot or two over my years in the city, I now hear maybe a gunshot
> or two every minute or so on occasion out here in the country.  In
> most country settings, the discharging of firearms is not only legal,
> it is almost a religion.


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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Christopher Range wrote:
When I am in Firefox and, I do a search on Google, when I click on  
one of the links in the search, it goes to an entirely different  
address than, the address shown with the link.  What could be the  
reason for this happening?


When you click on a link on a Google search results page the link goes  
back to Google with the URL of the site you want to go to passed as a  
parameter. Google records your action and may do other processing  
based on your Google preference settings. It could be that something  
odd is happening there. But you really did not provide us with enough  
detail for us to make sense out of any of this.



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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Constance Warner wrote:
This whole thing looks like the replacement of light rail with cars  
and GM-built buses in the 30's and 40's.  Right now, municipalities  
are trying to rebuild what was destroyed in the name of corporate  
profits.  Destroying low-cost public transit wasn't a good idea, and  
abolishing landlines isn't either.


You have the right to live almost anywhere you like, but that does not  
give you the right to a subsidy from the rest of us. You get many  
benefits from living in the outback, both psychic and financial. It is  
not right for you happily take all the good and then demand that  
others pay to ameliorate the negative aspects. You need to decide what  
you value more, beautiful Internet or beautiful view. If you demand  
both, then you need to pony up the dough to get it.



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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[rocky lee]

http://www.tmsoft.com/iphone-whitenoise.html

http://www.purewhitenoise.com/


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> Date:    Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:47:16 -0500
> From:    Jeffrey Myers 
> Subject: sound machine advice
> 
> I'm looking for a device that produces a background noise
> for sleeping at
> night.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff Myers


  


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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Marcio wrote:

Yes but only Skype to Skype...for free.


You old folks may not have noticed, but a modern household is going to  
have a small computer sitting where the telephone used to sit. It will  
be running Skype 24/7.



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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

Well there, you have said it yourself.  An orderly plan.  That is
most assuredly what will be missing from the equation.  When, as you
say, the time comes, there will have been many vague promises and
assurances made by the telcos about ensuring coverage and service to
all that will not be met...guaranteed.


When we deny the inevitable and keep running with an unsupportable old  
technology it greatly increases the likelihood that when it finally  
goes it will go suddenly. Much better to face reality now and  
establish a long term plan. It took 10 years for TV to go digital and,  
while not perfect, it transitioned pretty well. Need to do the same  
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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> You mean in the morning recently? Probably just deer season. Depending
> on your state, chances are they can't hunt on Sunday. And the season
> doesn't last long. Regardless, I'm sure it's illegal to shoot close to
> houses, so don't get a noisemaker; call the police! They will talk to
> them.

  Where I live, Fauquier County, VA, it is legal, even almost
encouraged, to shoot just about any time.  Indeed, most of the
shooting that takes place out here is target practice or just shooting
for the fun of it if that is what one enjoys.  Saturdays and Sundays
are big shooting days.  Off from work, you know.  Sometimes it'll go
on for hours.  It'll get particularly chaotic when they have shooting
parties.  It'll subside for a while if there is a NASCAR race on TV,
but as soon as that has ended...

  Yep, between the roar of ATVs and the booming of large caliber guns,
it really ain't quite as peaceful at times as one might expect.  Would
that more of them had computers to play with instead.  A lot of those
good 'ole country boys do appear to like things that make a lot of
noise and mess up the environment.  Kinda dichotomous in a way if you
think about it.  It's no wonder that so many of 'em like to go off and
join the military as soon as they can.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

I have it.  I used it in Europe with an IBM x31 notebook with dsl speed
internet ...it is flawless!  No fone needed, used computer speakers and mic
...but, of course, you need to have the computer on and connected to a wifi
source to use it.  I also have phonepower.com device at home.  Computer can
be shut off as phone modem is behind router.  Works flawlessly.  If you buy
now at bestbuy stores, you also get a pocket travel device for it which was
not available when I got it.  Service very good, reliable, cheap (1yr=199,
2nd year free) and had 10% off when I got it (around $8/mo) ...of course
magic jack is cheaper but I wanted to be able to shut off computer...

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From: Robert Carroll [mailto:carrollcompu...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

For my earlier message, a P.S.


(1)  Is there a source for info about VoIP in general, not just related 
to MagicJack.  I am under the impression that only those who make many 
long-distance calls, especially international calls, can benefit from 
subscribing to VoIP since the cost of domestic long-distance calls is so 
cheap nowadays.  (The web and email makes the need for long-distance 
calls less frequent for me.)  What telephone number would someone use to 
call me on VoIP?

(1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated.  It seems from the CU 
description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find 
buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide 
to get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless.  Can MagicJack 
understand pulse dialing? 

> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Robert Carroll
wrote:
>
>   
>> In the 2010 February issue of Consumer Reports, there are tests of 15
items
>> sold on TV infomercials that use hard-sell language.  As one may suspect,
>> most items did not live up to the claims made therein.  But one got a
>> favorable review, the MagicJack for connecting to VoIP.  The review
follows
>> below.
>>
>> I have only a general knowledge of VoIP.  Can someone point me to a
source
>> that offers specific info so that I may decide if having VoIP is
>> advantageous for me?
>>
>> 
>>
>> The CU review:
>>
>> *The claim.* MagicJack, a VoIP (voice over Internet protocol) phone
device
>> and service,"makes your monthly phone bill disappear," an online ad says.
>> "Save hundreds, even thousands, of dollars" and get "no more poor
>> reception." You plug MagicJack into a computer's USB port, plug the line
>> cord of your own phone into the other end of the USB adapter, and
MagicJack
>> uses the Internet to make and receive calls. You need broadband Internet
access, and the computer has to be on
>> for you to make or receive a call. If it's off, messages go to voice
mail.
>> The charge: $39.95 for the device and one year of local and long-distance
>> calling; then $19.95 per year. Details are at www.magicjack.com.
>>
>> *The check.* One of our electronics experts made dozens of calls over
>> several days, sometimes while downloading files or playing online
computer
>> games.
>>
>> *Bottom line*. Shazam! Calls connected, and voice quality was clear,
though
>> not as clear as on a good corded phone on a regular line. When our tester
>> downloaded a big file while playing an online game and making a call,
there
>> was some interference. But if you can live with a few limitations, it's a
>> great deal. Vonage VoIP service can cost $216 a year; Skype, $95, and you
>> must buy a Skype phone.
>> 


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

Not so fast here.  None of us really can know what the eventual
outcome will be, and what that time frame will be.  At&t sez they want
out of the copper business...period.  They flat out do not want
"wires."


I don't see AT&T making the move to wireless anytime soon. It is  
Sprint and Clearwire that are out in front with WiMax, not AT&T. And  
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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:19 PM, rocky lee  wrote:

> http://www.tmsoft.com/iphone-whitenoise.html
>
> http://www.purewhitenoise.com/

  Or, recycle that old analog TV and turn it into a white noise
machine.  Tune it to just about any channel, set the volume to a
comfortable level and enjoy.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

If you plug in magic jack on computer, internal mic and spkr are all you
need (I have IBM Thinkpad).  Needs no fone.  Dial on screen with mouse or
via phonebook.

-Original Message-
From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a "corded handset".  I
suspect one could also use a cordless handset, if one were to plug the base
station into the MagicJack.  (just as the base station is plugged into the
RJ-11 wall outlet the same way that a corded handset is plugged into a wall
outlet.)  You just couldn't use a cordless handset by itself, without the
base station.  What the information is telling you is that the MagicJack
does _not_ include its own handset.  Nor does it use a "headset" (like Skype
does).  Nor does it use a USB speakerphone (like is available for Skype).
It uses a POTS telephone, connected by the customary cord with an RJ-11 plug
on the end.  Anything that electrically looks like a POTS telephone
connected with an RJ-11 plug should work.  Dunno if it would accept pulse
dialing, haven't tried it.  But so much calling requires DTMF signalling for
navigating "menus" that pulse dialing has limited use today anyway.

"Corded handset" and "rotary [pulsed] dial" are two completely different
concepts.

Fred Holmes

At 06:39 PM 1/1/2010, Robert Carroll wrote:
>(1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated.  It seems from the CU
description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find
buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to
get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless.  Can MagicJack
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

Messages from phonepower.com come as .wav file in email...also stored online on 
pwd protected site with usage, etc.

-Original Message-
From: Marcio [mailto:m...@ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

Yes, Fred I get the messages by e-mail and open them with Nero. I also cancall 
my number at MagicJack and listen to the messages and erase them.

Marcio


-Original Message-
>From: Fred Holmes 
>Sent: Jan 1, 2010 8:59 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
>
>Yes and no.  If you leave your VOIP (e.g. MagicJack) always at one specific 
>premises and register that premises with that telephone number at 911 (there 
>is a process for doing this), then you will have reliable 911 service, just as 
>landline numbers are registered with 911 (but the registration is done by the 
>telephone company).  But one of the advantages of MagicJack is that you can 
>connect it to your notebook computer wherever you may carry and use it.  There 
>is no way (except manually) to change the 911 registration at present.  There 
>may be some way to do a lookup on the i.p. address of your computer, to 
>determine where it is actually connected, but such a system hasn't yet (to my 
>knowledge) been set up.
>
>If you connect your MagicJack to your notebook computer that is connected to 
>the Internet anywhere (e.g., Iraq), calls that you place to the U.S. are 
>"free" (no call placement or connection time charges)  (unless for some reason 
>VOIP packets are somehow killed.)
>
>It's also nice that voice mail messages received on VOIP systems can be sent 
>to you by e-mail as .wav file attachments.  Nice to be able to keep and file 
>them, and not have the message memory fill up and overflow.
>
>Fred Holmes.
>
>At 06:13 PM 1/1/2010, Judy Cosler wrote:
>>does one have reliable 911 with VoIP?
>>thought one needed a landline for reliable, available 911.
>>Pls. help me with this issue!
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack

[rleesimon]

All that confirmed.

-Original Message-
From: Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow [mailto:noodni...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack

Stewart says:

"None of the major VOIP carriers offer a local number so it is of no 
use for incoming.  As I already bundle my phone service and have 
unlimited dialing plus all the calling features plus have an 
international plan it makes no financial sense to me.
Until a VOIP service offers local numbers I cannot look at any of them."

However with MagicJack you select the area code you want to use and the
company then assigns you a number
within that area code.  If you choose, for example, 202, that's very local.
You can travel with the MagicJack, and if you use it overseas,
you still have the USA connection with (for example) the 202 area code.
You can also change your phone number at the my.magicjack.com website.
I believe changing it once is free, and there's a charge for changing it
more than one time.
I have done that once (no charge).
(BTW, if most of your family is in CA you can choose a CA area code and then
their calls 
to you will be local.)




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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[Christopher Range]

On 1/2/2010 1:42 PM, Tony B wrote:

Is it sending you to one site, random sites? Spam sites or what? When
you hover in your browser does the address displayed match the address
you go to when you click?
   


The address shown with the link, after the search, is not the address 
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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

My position is that they must
FIRST be made to  provide an alternative and reliable telephone system
to every customer who would lose landline service BEFORE the wires are
cut.  No promises.  They MUST do that FIRST.


Why such rampant Socialism? If you live in a place that can be  
economically served you need to move. Do it now before property values  
crater.


 



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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

Phonepower.com works without computer and the 911 feature works.

-Original Message-
From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

Actually, that's two questions. First, you may use your existing
telephones with MJ, but you don't have to. It comes with an interface
that easily switches to "headset" so any headset (or mic and speakers)
can work.

No, pulse dialing is ancient history. You could not dial a number from
a rotary phone downstairs and connect. But again, using the provided
software, you can just punch numbers on the software keyboard and dial
while sitting at your computer.

My own experience with MJ has been spotty. I would vastly prefer a
unit that connects to my router, like I had with Vonage. Then it would
stay on 24/7 and wouldn't interrupt my gaming on my computer. However,
at discounted prices of something like $5 a year, it's all I can
reasonably afford. I just don't use a phone that much, and not at all
for international dialing.

I don't really know how reliable the 911 is; I mean, it's not like I
can test it or anything. But in my 55 years I've never called 911
(from home) so I'm not going to base my telephone decisions on that.
Besides, right now there are some 10 people on IMs (Facebook, Yahoo,
etc.) that I could gasp out a "Call 911!" and they'll do it. I could
also just send a text to the wife's cell phone, but she might not get
it for a few hours. Oh well, I've lived long enough. :)


On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Robert Carroll
 wrote:
> (1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated.  It seems from the CU
> description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find
> buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to
> get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless.  Can MagicJack
> understand pulse dialing?


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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[Christopher Range]

On 1/2/2010 2:05 PM, tjpa wrote:

On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Christopher Range wrote:
When I am in Firefox and, I do a search on Google, when I click on 
one of the links in the search, it goes to an entirely different 
address than, the address shown with the link.  What could be the 
reason for this happening?


When you click on a link on a Google search results page the link goes 
back to Google with the URL of the site you want to go to passed as a 
parameter. Google records your action and may do other processing 
based on your Google preference settings. It could be that something 
odd is happening there. But you really did not provide us with enough 
detail for us to make sense out of any of this.


What info did I not provide?

I said that the address listed with the link, did not end up being the 
address the link went to.


What I said, is not rocket science or, medical school terminology.  I 
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

I have uniden BT capable wireless fone and it is wired "backwards" via house 
wiring to phonepower.com modem ...gives me phone all over the house.  Have one 
"wired" fone on it in case of loss of power.  Phonepower.com will also work 
with old fashioned fax machine.  Phonepower.com also has a "cloned" 2nd line 
which lets you make/receive calls when one conversation is already in process 
...free!!

-Original Message-
From: Marcio [mailto:m...@ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

I have a Vtech cordless phone with two basis. Work fine.

Marcio


-Original Message-
>From: Fred Holmes 
>Sent: Jan 1, 2010 9:21 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
>
>The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a "corded handset".  I 
>suspect one could also use a cordless handset, if one were to plug the base 
>station into the MagicJack.  (just as the base station is plugged into the 
>RJ-11 wall outlet the same way that a corded handset is plugged into a wall 
>outlet.)  You just couldn't use a cordless handset by itself, without the base 
>station.  What the information is telling you is that the MagicJack does _not_ 
>include its own handset.  Nor does it use a "headset" (like Skype does).  Nor 
>does it use a USB speakerphone (like is available for Skype).  It uses a POTS 
>telephone, connected by the customary cord with an RJ-11 plug on the end.  
>Anything that electrically looks like a POTS telephone connected with an RJ-11 
>plug should work.  Dunno if it would accept pulse dialing, haven't tried it.  
>But so much calling requires DTMF signalling for navigating "menus" that pulse 
>dialing has limited use today anyway.
>
>"Corded handset" and "rotary [pulsed] dial" are two completely different 
>concepts.
>
>Fred Holmes
>
>At 06:39 PM 1/1/2010, Robert Carroll wrote:
>>(1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated.  It seems from the CU 
>>description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find buried 
>>in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to get same) 
>>since all my land-line phones are cordless.  Can MagicJack understand pulse 
>>dialing?
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

Skype only free when recipient also has skype ...

-Original Message-
From: t.piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

Don't forget that you can also get VOIP services like Skype at zero  
cost.


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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

They make skype fones.

Best solution is skype on your ifone or wm smartphone and pirate off
neighbors unsecured wifi .hehee! ...after all is said&done, when att and
others get permission to get ridda pots (& some eyesore poles/wires), there
may be a move afoot to make everyone who gets wifi for fone/computer/tv to
have an "open" channel so the coverage grows... hmmm!!

-Original Message-
From: tjpa [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Marcio wrote:
> Yes but only Skype to Skype...for free.

You old folks may not have noticed, but a modern household is going to  
have a small computer sitting where the telephone used to sit. It will  
be running Skype 24/7.


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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Tony B]

No, no, no. There are very strict laws against discharging firearms
within x feet of a dwelling. You're no farther in the woods than I am
in Jefferson County, West Virginia, and nobody around here would stand
for that. There are very valid reasons not to allow this behavior.

Jan. 1, 2010: Boy most likely shot by a rifle fired into the air
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/boy-most-likely-shot-264997.html


On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, phartz...@gmail.com  wrote:
>  Where I live, Fauquier County, VA, it is legal, even almost
> encouraged, to shoot just about any time.  Indeed, most of the
> shooting that takes place out here is target practice or just shooting
> for the fun of it if that is what one enjoys.  Saturdays and Sundays
> are big shooting days.  Off from work, you know.  Sometimes it'll go
> on for hours.  It'll get particularly chaotic when they have shooting
> parties.  It'll subside for a while if there is a NASCAR race on TV,
> but as soon as that has ended...


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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[John DeCarlo]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Christopher Range wrote:

>  The address shown with the link, after the search, is not the address that
> comes up in the URL Locator, when clicking on the link.
>
>
> You claimed this earlier, but provided no evidence.

Without any evidence, your answers to my questions are also suspect.

Try this Google search:

panjandrum continental


Click on the first result, described as

"a" Continental Army


And tell us where you end up.


-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Constance Warner]

As long as we're arguing from principle rather than technology--

It helps everyone if there isn't an underclass that's excluded from  
basic participation in society, because something that's essential-- 
like in this case a telephone--is no longer available.  Access to  
basic services with only modest means is particularly important in a  
period of turmoil (like right now), when no one can be sure of any  
kind of economic security.


Sooner or later, everyone pays for the disenfranchised, the  
economically unfit, the ones who have to go to the emergency room  
because they have no other access to medical care, etc.  That's why  
we try to fund public health, medicaid, the electric grid, water and  
sewer systems, etc., to try to maintain a basic level of public  
service available to most if not all citizens.  You no longer have to  
be rich to have electricity--by buying your own generator--or to have  
clean water (your own well and treatment plant).


I don't think this is the same as taking all the good and then  
demanding that others pay to ameliorate the negative aspects.  It's  
more like trying to maintain a basic level of civilization.  (I  
thought we had established this as a basic principle of government at  
least by the New Deal.)

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:20 PM, tjpa wrote:


On Jan 2, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Constance Warner wrote:
This whole thing looks like the replacement of light rail with  
cars and GM-built buses in the 30's and 40's.  Right now,  
municipalities are trying to rebuild what was destroyed in the  
name of corporate profits.  Destroying low-cost public transit  
wasn't a good idea, and abolishing landlines isn't either.


You have the right to live almost anywhere you like, but that does  
not give you the right to a subsidy from the rest of us. You get  
many benefits from living in the outback, both psychic and  
financial. It is not right for you happily take all the good and  
then demand that others pay to ameliorate the negative aspects. You  
need to decide what you value more, beautiful Internet or beautiful  
view. If you demand both, then you need to pony up the dough to get  
it.



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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:47 PM, rleesimon wrote:

They make skype fones.


I looked, but don't see the point. Computer has great mic and camera  
and big screen already built in. Why pay money for something that does  
so much less and still needs to be connected to a computer?



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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:40 PM, rleesimon wrote:

Skype only free when recipient also has skype ...


You think it takes a lot of arm twisting to get somebody to sign up  
for a service that is free and saves them money?



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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Tony B wrote:

No, no, no. There are very strict laws against discharging firearms
within x feet of a dwelling. You're no farther in the woods than I am
in Jefferson County, West Virginia, and nobody around here would stand
for that. There are very valid reasons not to allow this behavior.


Isn't the point of having a gun to flaunt one's lack of good sense and  
disrespect for law an order? We regularly see news stories of bullet  
shattered windows in homes, shopping centers, day care facilities,  
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[mike]

the idea is you can then take your free skype connection and walk around the
house instead of being tied to the kitchen...or wherever you are keeping
your computer.


On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:27 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:47 PM, rleesimon wrote:
>
>> They make skype fones.
>>
>
> I looked, but don't see the point. Computer has great mic and camera and
> big screen already built in. Why pay money for something that does so much
> less and still needs to be connected to a computer?
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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:48 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:

panjandrum continental


Interesting discussion there.


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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[Fred Holmes]

At 01:27 PM 1/2/2010, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>  A little bit of correction may be in order here.  I have moved to
>the country from the city, and I can tell you that while I did hear a
>gunshot or two over my years in the city, I now hear maybe a gunshot
>or two every minute or so on occasion out here in the country.  In
>most country settings, the discharging of firearms is not only legal,
>it is almost a religion.
>
>  Steve

Yeah, but the gunshots in the city are generally at night, when the "revelers" 
are out.  The gunshots in the country are generally in the daytime, when folks 
are hunting.  Most people sleep at night, not in the daytime. 


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Constance Warner wrote:
It helps everyone if there isn't an underclass that's excluded from  
basic participation in society, because something that's essential-- 
like in this case a telephone--is no longer available.  Access to  
basic services with only modest means is particularly important in a  
period of turmoil (like right now), when no one can be sure of any  
kind of economic security.


Except that you have disadvantaged yourself by your own personal  
choice and action. I would be with you 100% if they passed a law that  
females could not apply for an Internet connection. But your situation  
is very different. You made a free-will decision to live in a location  
that can not be economically served. There are consequences to that  
decision. I don't see any justification for your demand that somebody  
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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Constance Warner wrote:

It's more like trying to maintain a basic level of civilization.



Several questionable aspects here...

1) Does Internet = civilization?

2) Have you not made the choice to live away from civilization?


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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[mike]

In a word, no.  FBI just released recent crime stats...crime/murder
down...gun ownership up.  Gun ownership is the epitome of respect of law and
order and defense of ones own property.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:33 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> No, no, no. There are very strict laws against discharging firearms
>> within x feet of a dwelling. You're no farther in the woods than I am
>> in Jefferson County, West Virginia, and nobody around here would stand
>> for that. There are very valid reasons not to allow this behavior.
>>
>
> Isn't the point of having a gun to flaunt one's lack of good sense and
> disrespect for law an order? We regularly see news stories of bullet
> shattered windows in homes, shopping centers, day care facilities, etc. Last
> night somebody shot up a local church.
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Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

[Stephen Brownfield]

Continue to hold down the command key and you can tab through the bar.  
That requires only one hand.


t.piwowar wrote:

On Jan 1, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote:
Simply place the cursor over the icon of the program you want in the 
command-tab bar. It causes it to be selected without having to click. 
Then, release the command key, and that program is brought forward.


That requires 2 hands. You really think that's better?


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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[Fred Holmes]

I've been looking for a Skype phone that isn't cordless/wireless (has a wired 
handset, and connects to my router with an Ethernet Cat-5 cable).  Last time I 
looked (a couple of months ago), I couldn't find one.  Using Google.  Or the 
specs available on the web weren't such that I could tell what I would actually 
be getting if I ordered the item.

I have no real need for cordless / wireless, and if I don't use cordless / 
wireless I don't have to worry about whether the cordless / wireless link has 
been adequately secured.

Fred Holmes

At 02:24 PM 1/2/2010, tjpa wrote:
>You old folks may not have noticed, but a modern household is going to  
>have a small computer sitting where the telephone used to sit. It will  
>be running Skype 24/7.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Fred Holmes]

At 02:27 PM 1/2/2010, tjpa wrote:
>It took 10 years for TV to go digital and,  
>while not perfect, it transitioned pretty well.

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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Fred Holmes]

Gee, if people were allowed to do without telephone service, how would the bill 
collectors get their work done?

Fred Holmes

At 02:35 PM 1/2/2010, tjpa wrote:
>On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>My position is that they must
>>FIRST be made to  provide an alternative and reliable telephone system
>>to every customer who would lose landline service BEFORE the wires are
>>cut.  No promises.  They MUST do that FIRST.
>
>Why such rampant Socialism? If you live in a place that can be  
>economically served you need to move. Do it now before property values  
>crater.


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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[Christopher Range]

On 1/2/2010 2:48 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Christopher Rangewrote:

   

  The address shown with the link, after the search, is not the address that
comes up in the URL Locator, when clicking on the link.


You claimed this earlier, but provided no evidence.
 

Without any evidence, your answers to my questions are also suspect.

Try this Google search:

panjandrum continental


Click on the first result, described as

"a" Continental Army


And tell us where you end up.
   


It sent me to this link: 
http://free-video-dictionary.com/ads/?pid=14§ion_id=437700&partner_id=0&ver=11&autoplay=1&etfp=0&etap=0&pop=1&directpop=0&sub_id=257622527&src_id=10538&q=panjandrum%20continental&cat_id= 




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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[Judy Cosler]

secured?

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Fred Holmes  wrote:

> I've been looking for a Skype phone that isn't cordless/wireless (has a
> wired handset, and connects to my router with an Ethernet Cat-5 cable).
>  Last time I looked (a couple of months ago), I couldn't find one.  Using
> Google.  Or the specs available on the web weren't such that I could tell
> what I would actually be getting if I ordered the item.
>
> I have no real need for cordless / wireless, and if I don't use cordless /
> wireless I don't have to worry about whether the cordless / wireless link
> has been adequately secured.
>
> Fred Holmes
>
> At 02:24 PM 1/2/2010, tjpa wrote:
> >You old folks may not have noticed, but a modern household is going to
> >have a small computer sitting where the telephone used to sit. It will
> >be running Skype 24/7.
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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> No, no, no. There are very strict laws against discharging firearms
> within x feet of a dwelling. You're no farther in the woods than I am
> in Jefferson County, West Virginia, and nobody around here would stand
> for that. There are very valid reasons not to allow this behavior.

  We have gotten off the topic of the thread, which was initially
devices for helping with sleep by producing restful sounds.  Someone
mentioned gunfire, and so here we are.

  When I first moved out here to the country, I soon became acquainted
with gunfire in my vicinity and after perusing the county code, I
twice contacted the county sheriff seeking clarifications about what
is allowable.  Twice I tried to find out, and twice my queries were
never answered.  I took the resultant silence to either be my answer
or an expression on the part of the sheriff on the subject.

  FWIW, when it isn't hunting season in the county, the local farmers
have to be on serious lookout for those rednecks who will shoot their
cows and horses since they can't go after deer.  Seriously, this is a
big problem and the local "Crimesolver's" page on the county website
routinely seeks information about these frequent crimes.  As mentioned
earlier, some broadband service out here could really help matters by
offering something to do other than shootin' or tearin' things up in
ATVs.

  Anyway, and back to devices that generate sound to help with the
inducement of sleep, there are any number out there to be had.  I have
never used one, so I cannot add any personal experience to the mix,
but stand by my suggestion about using an old TV.

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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[rleesimon]

Self contained stand alone skype fones for people with cable tv and get a
bundled wifi or wired dsl or net and don't use the computer or want one or
only have one in the kids' room...

-Original Message-
From: tjpa [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:47 PM, rleesimon wrote:
> They make skype fones.

I looked, but don't see the point. Computer has great mic and camera  
and big screen already built in. Why pay money for something that does  
so much less and still needs to be connected to a computer?


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> When we deny the inevitable and keep running with an unsupportable old
> technology it greatly increases the likelihood that when it finally goes it
> will go suddenly. Much better to face reality now and establish a long term
> plan. It took 10 years for TV to go digital and, while not perfect, it
> transitioned pretty well. Need to do the same for telephony.

  As posted on this a bit earlier, at&t is said to have expounded to
the FCC in depth about their desire to end their participation in
wired telephony, but offered not a word about what steps they would
take to ensure that their wired customers would still be able to have
phone service in the aftermath.

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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:24 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> You old folks may not have noticed, but a modern household is going to have
> a small computer sitting where the telephone used to sit. It will be running
> Skype 24/7.

  Hey, what if that computer is a Windows machine?  Isn't it going to
be locking up, crashing or falling victim to viruses all the time?
How the heck could that thing possibly be up and running 24/7?

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote:
Continue to hold down the command key and you can tab through the  
bar.  That requires only one hand.


No doubt, but the point is getting the job done quickly. Tabbing  
through a list of a dozen icons, whose position constantly shuffles,  
is not better than clicking on or dragging a file to an icon that is  
always in the same location in the Dock. Selecting via Command-Tab is  
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey, what if that computer is a Windows machine?  Isn't it going to
be locking up, crashing or falling victim to viruses all the time?
How the heck could that thing possibly be up and running 24/7?


Gosh, I wasn't thinking about Windows. No, I have not seen any of  
those at all. I wasn't thinking about computers used by OLD PEOPLE! Do  
they Skype at all?



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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[tjpa]

On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Christopher Range wrote:

It sent me to this link: http://free-video-dictionary.com/ads/?


You are pwned.


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Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

[mike]

Not for any real reason...just because Tom hates windows...

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote:
>
>> Continue to hold down the command key and you can tab through the bar.
>>  That requires only one hand.
>>
>
> No doubt, but the point is getting the job done quickly. Tabbing through a
> list of a dozen icons, whose position constantly shuffles, is not better
> than clicking on or dragging a file to an icon that is always in the same
> location in the Dock. Selecting via Command-Tab is a Windows invention, not
> suitable for intensive computing.
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[mike]

My mom is old...she skypes the daughter to see her and her grandson.  Course
old is always relative.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:06 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey, what if that computer is a Windows machine?  Isn't it going to
>> be locking up, crashing or falling victim to viruses all the time?
>> How the heck could that thing possibly be up and running 24/7?
>>
>
> Gosh, I wasn't thinking about Windows. No, I have not seen any of those at
> all. I wasn't thinking about computers used by OLD PEOPLE! Do they Skype at
> all?
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[CGUYS] nexus one, the 'google' phone

[mike]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/02/exclusive-google-nexus-one-hands-on-video-and-first-impressio/

First hands on...seems like any other android phone.  I'm a little hazy on
why this phone is any different than any other android phone.  It's says
sold by google but it only runs on tmobile so...?  The phone was built by
HTC, doesn't seem to be a ground breaking design, a lot like other slab
phones...iphone etc.  The biggest draw is the snapdragon cpu, but I don't
think this is the first android phone running this cpu, so that seems not
exactly ground breaking.  So what is the big deal here?  If this phone had
been brought to the big four carriers at once I could see some point to
this...or if it was cdma and GSM and sold by google I could see this as a
big deal.  But this seems like any other android release.


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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[Ellen Rains Harris]

My 91 year old mother in law skypes with her grandson in Germany.

On both her Windows machine and her Macbook.

- Original Message - 
From: "mike" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question


My mom is old...she skypes the daughter to see her and her grandson. 
Course

old is always relative.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:06 PM, tjpa  wrote:


On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:


Hey, what if that computer is a Windows machine?  Isn't it going to
be locking up, crashing or falling victim to viruses all the time?
How the heck could that thing possibly be up and running 24/7?



Gosh, I wasn't thinking about Windows. No, I have not seen any of those 
at
all. I wasn't thinking about computers used by OLD PEOPLE! Do they Skype 
at

all?



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[CGUYS] Droid/Eris questions

[Andy Gallant]

Now looking at a Verizon Wireless promotion - buy a Droid and get a free 
Eris (naturally, Ts and Cs apply).  The primary requirements are for two 
phones for voice, text, email, and web in the MD/DC area - at least one 
phone with physical QWERTY keyboard - personal and light business use - 
Verizon network.  Some questions:


1. How is the Droid keyboard to use in practice?
2. Does this promotion make sense?
3. Are there compelling reasons to consider other phones that meet the 
requirements?


Does anyone on the list have experience or anecdotes to share about 
either of these phones?  As always, many thanks in advance.


-Andy


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Re: [CGUYS] Droid/Eris questions

[mike]

I have the sprint version of the eris and I find it extremely usable and
well made.  Everything I've wanted to do I've been able to, the soft
keyboard is good, but not quite iphone good.  The apps are plentiful, I
don't find myself missing anything in that department.

The droid I have zero experience with, I know it does not have a nice 'skin'
over it like many HTC and Samsung android phones, but the core OS is the
same as the other android phones so I imagine very usable and versatile.
There are about four million reviews of the hardware on the droid, find a
couple you trust (they are like movie reviewers) and read up.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Andy Gallant  wrote:

> Now looking at a Verizon Wireless promotion - buy a Droid and get a free
> Eris (naturally, Ts and Cs apply).  The primary requirements are for two
> phones for voice, text, email, and web in the MD/DC area - at least one
> phone with physical QWERTY keyboard - personal and light business use -
> Verizon network.  Some questions:
>
> 1. How is the Droid keyboard to use in practice?
> 2. Does this promotion make sense?
> 3. Are there compelling reasons to consider other phones that meet the
> requirements?
>
> Does anyone on the list have experience or anecdotes to share about either
> of these phones?  As always, many thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[b_s-wilk]

When we deny the inevitable and keep running with an unsupportable old 
technology it greatly increases the likelihood that when it finally goes it 
will go suddenly. Much better to face reality now and establish a long term 
plan. It took 10 years for TV to go digital and, while not perfect, it 
transitioned pretty well. Need to do the same for telephony.


Digital transmissions over existing copper lines can be nearly as fast 
for broadband as current FIOS capability [i.e. 50-80Mbps], and can also 
provide low power that works when the electric company isn't. Telcos 
aren't upgrading their hardware to do this. Instead they refuse to use 
existing lines for high speed in favor of FIOS, which may be easier to 
maintain, if they can ever get it installed. The fiber network isn't 
available in most of the country, and is not likely to be any time soon. 
Also FIOS shouldn't be installed without solar battery backup power.


When telcos upgrade their technology to serve everyone affordably and 
efficiently, then, and only then, will be the right time to get rid of 
old land lines.


Digital broadcast TV is a failure for most people in the US. It's a gift 
to cable, telcos and satellite companies that provide the same service 
for a charge, instead of free service over the air. Inexpensive land 
lines like ours could disappear and be replaced with cellular and/or 
VOIP, both of which cost significantly more, and are less reliable. Make 
it cheaper and reliable and I'll be happy to switch.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[mike]

Well if you want old twisted pair forever, move to qwest territory.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:32 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

>
>
> When telcos upgrade their technology to serve everyone affordably and
> efficiently, then, and only then, will be the right time to get rid of old
> land lines.
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Re: [CGUYS] Droid/Eris questions

[Andy Gallant]

Mike, thanks for the comments - much appreciated.  In fact, because I 
did read a number of the many reviews, I wanted to ask and hear from the 
folks on this list, including how it feels to use the Droid keyboard, 
which many reviewers did not like.  There's a lot of value here!  -Andy



On 1/2/2010 10:17 PM, mike wrote:

/snip/

There are about four million reviews of the hardware on the droid, find a
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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[b_s-wilk]

No, no, no. There are very strict laws against discharging firearms
within x feet of a dwelling. You're no farther in the woods than I am
in Jefferson County, West Virginia, and nobody around here would stand
for that. There are very valid reasons not to allow this behavior.

Jan. 1, 2010: Boy most likely shot by a rifle fired into the air
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/boy-most-likely-shot-264997.html



Yes, yes, yes!

Where I live people hunt all year around. Laws? What laws? They do 
target practice in their back yards. They use each other for target 
practice--really. BTW, most of these neighbors are from WV, VA, KY, but 
now live in MD. I was out for a stroll in the woods one day and a scary 
looking character jumped out from behind a tree, holding his rifle, 
yelling, "ya scarrd muh skwarrl"--luckily all he was shooting that day 
was squirrels and possums--in July.


Noise? There are at least 4 quarries around here, plus target practice 
at Aberdeen Proving Ground, noise that carries over the water about 20 
miles, and those low-flying Air Force planes practicing reconnaissance 
missions. I'm used to it. Doesn't bother me. Skunks don't smell so bad 
any more either. Almost forgot about the woodpeckers that hammer on the 
metal downspouts at dawn.


When things are too loud, I wear good quality earplugs or use noise 
canceling headphones with my iPod, or breathe deeply for about 5 
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Re: [CGUYS] Droid/Eris questions

[mike]

Go into a store and use it a little bit, probably the best way to find out.
I think verizon also had a deal, buy one eris get one free...and the eris is
much cheaper.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Andy Gallant  wrote:

> Mike, thanks for the comments - much appreciated.  In fact, because I did
> read a number of the many reviews, I wanted to ask and hear from the folks
> on this list, including how it feels to use the Droid keyboard, which many
> reviewers did not like.  There's a lot of value here!  -Andy
>
>
> On 1/2/2010 10:17 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> /snip/
>>
>>
>> There are about four million reviews of the hardware on the droid, find a
>> couple you trust (they are like movie reviewers) and read up.
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[Marcio]

For free?...

Marcio



-Original Message-
>From: tjpa 
>Sent: Jan 2, 2010 5:24 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
>
>On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Marcio wrote:
>> Yes but only Skype to Skype...for free.
>
>You old folks may not have noticed, but a modern household is going to  
>have a small computer sitting where the telephone used to sit. It will  
>be running Skype 24/7.
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Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question

[Marcio]

I am not sure how this can be done. In the Magic Jack devise there is an outlet 
for the phone line.

Marcio

-Original Message-
>From: rleesimon 
>Sent: Jan 2, 2010 5:30 PM
>To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
>
>If you plug in magic jack on computer, internal mic and spkr are all you
>need (I have IBM Thinkpad).  Needs no fone.  Dial on screen with mouse or
>via phonebook.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] 
>Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:21 PM
>Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question
>
>The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a "corded handset".  I
>suspect one could also use a cordless handset, if one were to plug the base
>station into the MagicJack.  (just as the base station is plugged into the
>RJ-11 wall outlet the same way that a corded handset is plugged into a wall
>outlet.)  You just couldn't use a cordless handset by itself, without the
>base station.  What the information is telling you is that the MagicJack
>does _not_ include its own handset.  Nor does it use a "headset" (like Skype
>does).  Nor does it use a USB speakerphone (like is available for Skype).
>It uses a POTS telephone, connected by the customary cord with an RJ-11 plug
>on the end.  Anything that electrically looks like a POTS telephone
>connected with an RJ-11 plug should work.  Dunno if it would accept pulse
>dialing, haven't tried it.  But so much calling requires DTMF signalling for
>navigating "menus" that pulse dialing has limited use today anyway.
>
>"Corded handset" and "rotary [pulsed] dial" are two completely different
>concepts.
>
>Fred Holmes
>
>At 06:39 PM 1/1/2010, Robert Carroll wrote:
>>(1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated.  It seems from the CU
>description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find
>buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to
>get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless.  Can MagicJack
>understand pulse dialing?
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Re: [CGUYS] Here we go again....

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:44 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:12 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:
>
>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:03 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently the FCC didn't test many if any digital VHF broadcasts when
>>> they
>>> were running both analog and digital.   VHF has some nice propagation
>>> properties with requard to longer ranges that they wanted to keep but
>>> significant downsides in the digital transmission. During the test period
>>> they were on a UHF frequency for the digital test signal which worked
>>> better
>>> close in.
>>>
>>
>> I found that placing an aluminum pie pan on top of my fancy indoor antenna
>> brought the signal strength for 9 from around 10 to around 80. Reception is
>> now okay.
>>
>>
>> An antenna with a tin foil hat.  I'll try that with the pie pan I got
> laying around.
>
> Ok that worked amazingly well.  I now get a solid signal on both 5 and 9
with numbers in the high eighties.  I had to put the pie pan on at a rakish
angle and made a ring of tinfoil to hold up the pan.  It did degrade the
signal on a bunch of the MHZ stations but I don't speak Japanese or any of
the other languages.  It is one of those UFO shaped round antennas that is
designed to be external but I never needed to have outside.
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Re: [CGUYS] sound machine advice

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:33 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> No, no, no. There are very strict laws against discharging firearms
>> within x feet of a dwelling. You're no farther in the woods than I am
>> in Jefferson County, West Virginia, and nobody around here would stand
>> for that. There are very valid reasons not to allow this behavior.
>>
>
> Isn't the point of having a gun to flaunt one's lack of good sense and
> disrespect for law an order? We regularly see news stories of bullet
> shattered windows in homes, shopping centers, day care facilities, etc. Last
> night somebody shot up a local church.


We used to get shot bounce off the siding a couple of times a year during
one hunting season or another when I was a kid.  It was from an open farm
field across the street.  Probably why I still like to wear orange just in
case.

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Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

[katan]

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:17:43 -0500, b_s-wilk wrote:

>YMMV. Try the locations and see which works best for you, but consider 
>how each program works. Does this help?

Yes. It does. Thanks.

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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:01 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Christopher Range wrote:
>
>> It sent me to this link: http://free-video-dictionary.com/ads/?
>>
>
> You are pwned.
>
>
Ok I got  as first up in googe
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=246912 and in bing I got
http://www.3ammagazine.com/litarchives/2002_jan/interview_scott_rice.htmlwhich
isn't awfully consistent with google but a participant used panjandrum
as signature on that discusion.

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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Constance Warner]

Hey, weren't YOU one of the people arguing FOR universal broadband  
access, as an essential qualification for participating in our modern  
economy?


I do have broadband access.  Lots of people don't, and, as you  
pointed out, it's getting harder to participate in economic and civic  
life without it.


I want for others to have the same goodies that I do.  What I don't  
want is a condition where you have to have all these goodies on an  
expensive smartphone in your pocket, with high monthly payments, or  
you're a second-class citizen.


On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:44 PM, tjpa wrote:


On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Constance Warner wrote:

It's more like trying to maintain a basic level of civilization.



Several questionable aspects here...

1) Does Internet = civilization?

2) Have you not made the choice to live away from civilization?


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Constance Warner]

Oh, come on.  I live in MONTGOMERY COUNTY--the middle of Montgomery  
County, Silver Spring to be exact, not the back of beyond.  If the  
telecoms can't service Montgomery County, we should all go after them  
with torches and pitchforks.


I'm mainly concerned for people who can't live in Montgomery County,  
but who must live in places where service is much poorer, is  
nonexistent, or is beyond the financial means of most inhabitants.


To be quite frank about it, I see no reason why the FCC should let  
the telecoms abolish landline service--which benefits the majority of  
people in this country--for the benefit of supposed "progress", which  
currently amounts to providing more toys--in the form of cellphone  
bells and whistles--for the technologically pampered few, who can  
certainly live quite well enough without such fripperies.


On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, tjpa wrote:


On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Constance Warner wrote:
It helps everyone if there isn't an underclass that's excluded  
from basic participation in society, because something that's  
essential--like in this case a telephone--is no longer available.   
Access to basic services with only modest means is particularly  
important in a period of turmoil (like right now), when no one can  
be sure of any kind of economic security.


Except that you have disadvantaged yourself by your own personal  
choice and action. I would be with you 100% if they passed a law  
that females could not apply for an Internet connection. But your  
situation is very different. You made a free-will decision to live  
in a location that can not be economically served. There are  
consequences to that decision. I don't see any justification for  
your demand that somebody else picks up the tab.



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Re: [CGUYS] bug

[Christopher Range]

On 1/2/2010 8:01 PM, tjpa wrote:

On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Christopher Range wrote:

It sent me to this link: http://free-video-dictionary.com/ads/?


You are pwned.


What?


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Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!

[Eric S. Sande]

Guys, don't freak out.  Local wired telephony is regulated at the state 
level.  It's a utility.  Regardless of what I WANT to do with the network,

you all vote for the politicians that make the rules.

The Telco is regulated, beyond belief.  It's not just the FCC, it's every 
local and state government down sometimes to city and county level.


I can't just decide that my ROI is unfavorable with POTS.  Although it 
frankly is.  I'm forced to provide it by regulation.  And to add insult to 
injury, I'm forced to sell unbundled, and bundled network elements to 
competing providers at bargain basement rates.


That's right, I built it and I maintain it and I have to give it away at a 
loss to CLECs.  I have one large customer that always orders from me to get 
the service delivered.  Thirty days later they port the lines out to a CLEC. 
They can do that, under FCC regulations.


I get NOTHING out of that in ROI.  And, I have to maintain it all at cut 
rate prices.


So it's easy to figure that if I don't want to die as a business, I'm going 
to have to get cracking on this optical network.  Those same FCC rules say I 
don't have to share access like I have to do with POTS.


So if you were in my position what would you do.

Probably you'd sell off as much of the network where you had low to negative 
returns as you could and concentrate on your core properties.


That isn't to say POTS is going away.  It isn't.  But get used to the idea 
that it isn't going to be twisted pair for much longer.




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