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Carbonite works with Apple so I expect you to be dropping apple of course. On Nov 3, 2009 11:48 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:47 PM, mike wrote: BTW, lemme know when you stop using Apple products sinc... Details please. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote: The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon politics. I will stay away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Who again? On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote: The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon politics. I will stay away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I just have one problem with this. It is under someone else's control. What is to say that they will not come back and say If you want this information you will have to pay us such and such $s. Secondly everyone claims paranoia about the government getting into your stuff (listening in to phone conversations, tracking our movements with GPS, etc. etc.) Yet we will put this stuff up on the cloud and trust that no one will get into it? One of the things that keeps getting stressed in Identity theft classes, and with youth on what NOT to do to get a job is putting stuff on line. The Cloud is not secure. Stewart At 10:43 AM 11/3/2009, you wrote: You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline access. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think the confusion is online storage does stink for lots of day to day uses if it is not stored locally as well. Online storage is great as a second or third string backup for when your house burns down and you are just happy to get to your photos at all. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I was only making a side point, not inviting a bash-fest of cell phone companies. But thanks for bringing us back on topic. In fact, I just got our bill for our company backups - it was $1.78 last month on Amazon S3 (you only pay for what you use). Mozy and others offer free limited storage, which may be enough for you. And of course, Yahoo mail, Windows Live mail, Gmail, and others all offer lots of free cloud email storage. The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline access. You claim that we can get our email and data anywhere and it's cheap but that's clearly not the case. Online storage sucked in 1978, 1988, 1998, 2008, and it's not practical for people on a budget now, only for businesses and those who can afford continuous connections and have continuous access to those networks. You're the one in the cloud fantasy, not us. You're the serious topic hijacker. Keep on topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
On Nov 3, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Tony B wrote: Yes, I suppose Google et al, could announce tomorrow that they'll be charging for gmail. But why live life based around what some company *might* do in the future? Especially Google. Google has been especially clever at finding opportunities that nobody else saw and turning them into big revenue streams while keeping everybody happy. They give away search for free and mix paid content into it in a way that is not only not objectionable, but actually welcome. When I want to buy things I go to Google, knowing that the paid content will lead me to sites that are eager to sell. As a seller I am happy to give Google money because they bring customers to me. They have an excellent system for managing my online advertising and for measuring the effectiveness of my advertising. So I think I'm quite safe assuming that Google is not going away and is not planning to pick my pocket. I think Amazon's service is probably a safe bet too. On the other hand I do have serious doubts about many of the other online storage services. For example I would not trust Apple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500 From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!! For example I would not trust Apple. Repeat after me: For example I would not trust Apple. For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple. I can't believe what I am reading that. What an epiphany or is it a revelation? Now I can die in peace knowing that TJP actually said this, Or is this the Identity thief that jumped in here and wrote that? Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm sure his account was hijacked. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.comwrote: At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500 From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!! For example I would not trust Apple. Repeat after me: For example I would not trust Apple. For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple. I can't believe what I am reading that. What an epiphany or is it a revelation? Now I can die in peace knowing that TJP actually said this, Or is this the Identity thief that jumped in here and wrote that? Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Clearly, you have not been reading Tom's posts very carefully. Rich Schinnell wrote: At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500 From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!! For example I would not trust Apple. Repeat after me: For example I would not trust Apple. For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Rich Schinnell wrote: For example I would not trust Apple. I can't believe what I am reading that. What an epiphany or is it a revelation? No it is the same consistent, honest observation of the industry that you get from me every day. You fan bois should not assume that everyone acts like you do. I'm not blindly rooting for a local team or political party. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why are you adding all that unrelated stuff together? Just to make a point with people that can't add??? If you're tired of hearing about cloud computing then you're on the wrong list. For those of us who are on the road a lot, all of the items are important to be connected well enough to remote servers. Otherwise it isn't feasible. Lots of places don't have WiFi or broadband or even reliable mobile networks. Often, I have to use my phone card from a landline, sometimes from a pay phone if I can find one. Do you stay home or mostly in your local area? Sounds like you do. What would you do to connect to your clouded data from central Wyoming, or Mexico? I've been to both and many other places that have spotty connections. I'd never be able to get my data if I had to rely on remote servers without a satellite phone. The only things I keep online in an encrypted vault are passport, prescriptions, hints to credit card numbers and logins [not full info]. Some of my email is online, but it's not practical to have all of it online since online isn't available in many places. Stay home. Stay local. Online might work. Leave home. Travel around. It's as bad a service as it's always been--unless you have a company paying for the necessary connections that you need on the road. The cloud name is new, but it's a revamped version of an old idea. I'm just waiting for the new, new name for it. Cloud is a bad name. Too nebulous. The name gives the impression of unreliability, but maybe that's deliberate--a warning. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The cloud name is new, but it's a revamped version of an old idea. I'm just waiting for the new, new name for it. Cloud is a bad name. Too nebulous. The name gives the impression of unreliability, but maybe that's deliberate--a warning. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Down south storm clouds are not a good omen and often portend very bad weather. Stewart At 01:02 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote: No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The cloud name is new, but it's a revamped version of an old idea. I'm just waiting for the new, new name for it. Cloud is a bad name. Too nebulous. The name gives the impression of unreliability, but maybe that's deliberate--a warning. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? Down south storm clouds are not a good omen and often portend very bad weather. Especially green clouds that warn us to take cover from tornadoes! Most clouds around here are not so good, especially since we've had floods, mold, and cloudy days most of the summer that have been hurting local farmers whose crops aren't growing as quickly as usual. Good clouds are the ones that end droughts without causing floods, then blow away to let the sun shine through to the ground. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Take it from me you often do not see green clouds before tornadoes. Especially if they happen at night. But whenever the scanner goes off, take cover. We lost a high school two years ago (plus 8 lives), no warning no green clouds. But again Clouds are not always friendly. Stewart At 01:49 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote: Especially green clouds that warn us to take cover from tornadoes! Most clouds around here are not so good, especially since we've had floods, mold, and cloudy days most of the summer that have been hurting local farmers whose crops aren't growing as quickly as usual. Good clouds are the ones that end droughts without causing floods, then blow away to let the sun shine through to the ground. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Being in the valley of the sun for so long...clouds are nothing but good here. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? Down south storm clouds are not a good omen and often portend very bad weather. Especially green clouds that warn us to take cover from tornadoes! Most clouds around here are not so good, especially since we've had floods, mold, and cloudy days most of the summer that have been hurting local farmers whose crops aren't growing as quickly as usual. Good clouds are the ones that end droughts without causing floods, then blow away to let the sun shine through to the ground. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tony B ton...@gmail.com escribió: Why don't you guys start your own thread to whine about cell phones? I started this thread to discuss online storage - the cloud. Serious topic hijacking. Tony, You hijacked this thread. Tony sez: ...But have you seen modern cell coverage maps of the country? What part are you in that you can't get your email anywhere you need it? Offline access just isn't a factor any longer... You claim that we can get our email and data anywhere and it's cheap but that's clearly not the case. Online storage sucked in 1978, 1988, 1998, 2008, and it's not practical for people on a budget now, only for businesses and those who can afford continuous connections and have continuous access to those networks. You're the one in the cloud fantasy, not us. You're the serious topic hijacker. Keep on topic. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I was only making a side point, not inviting a bash-fest of cell phone companies. But thanks for bringing us back on topic. In fact, I just got our bill for our company backups - it was $1.78 last month on Amazon S3 (you only pay for what you use). Mozy and others offer free limited storage, which may be enough for you. And of course, Yahoo mail, Windows Live mail, Gmail, and others all offer lots of free cloud email storage. The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline access. You claim that we can get our email and data anywhere and it's cheap but that's clearly not the case. Online storage sucked in 1978, 1988, 1998, 2008, and it's not practical for people on a budget now, only for businesses and those who can afford continuous connections and have continuous access to those networks. You're the one in the cloud fantasy, not us. You're the serious topic hijacker. Keep on topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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BTW, lemme know when you stop using Apple products since they support Carbonite. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote: The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon politics. I will stay away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Our backups in the cloud are certainly under OUR control. Well, mine anyway. I tell it what to backup online, and if I need to access it, I do. Yes, I suppose Google et al, could announce tomorrow that they'll be charging for gmail. But why live life based around what some company *might* do in the future? Your point about security is certainly a valid one. If you need HIPAA or DOD security, then you need to be careful, as many cloud apps aren't yet fully compliant. However, for day to day use, it really doesn't bother me. So what if someone manages to read my old email? There are no state secrets in there. Ditto on my computer backups. Note though that in no cases of identity theft has anyone anywhere ever accomplished the deed by breaking into someone's cloud storage. It's just not that difficult. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I just have one problem with this. It is under someone else's control. What is to say that they will not come back and say If you want this information you will have to pay us such and such $s. Secondly everyone claims paranoia about the government getting into your stuff (listening in to phone conversations, tracking our movements with GPS, etc. etc.) Yet we will put this stuff up on the cloud and trust that no one will get into it? One of the things that keeps getting stressed in Identity theft classes, and with youth on what NOT to do to get a job is putting stuff on line. The Cloud is not secure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Online backups: $1.78-$4.60 per month for backup service, PLUS the faster broadband service for home/office, PLUS the mobile data plan, PLUS the cellular modem plan for a notebook. These can easily add up to well over $100/mo., could be upwards of $150-$200/mo. EXPENSIVE, unless you stay home. This works for you. That doesn't mean it works for others. You ignore the total cost, concentrating on the backup service and ignoring the other costs for online access away from home. Please tell us what the next branding for online services will be after we get tired of hearing about clouds. OK we're tired of it now. But thanks for bringing us back on topic. In fact, I just got our bill for our company backups - it was $1.78 last month on Amazon S3 (you only pay for what you use). Mozy and others offer free limited storage, which may be enough for you. And of course, Yahoo mail, Windows Live mail, Gmail, and others all offer lots of free cloud email storage. The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline access. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why are you adding all that unrelated stuff together? Just to make a point with people that can't add??? If you're tired of hearing about cloud computing then you're on the wrong list. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Online backups: $1.78-$4.60 per month for backup service, PLUS the faster broadband service for home/office, PLUS the mobile data plan, PLUS the cellular modem plan for a notebook. These can easily add up to well over $100/mo., could be upwards of $150-$200/mo. EXPENSIVE, unless you stay home. This works for you. That doesn't mean it works for others. You ignore the total cost, concentrating on the backup service and ignoring the other costs for online access away from home. Please tell us what the next branding for online services will be after we get tired of hearing about clouds. OK we're tired of it now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't fall for this. The person claimed he needed to read his emails when he wasn't online. I pointed out the fallacy involved. Namely, that if he had a job that *really* required this, he could get cell coverage over most of the country. Of course, it turned out he really has no such need, and is just using that as yet another excuse to cling to his old email app. Unlimited emails are available with $50/mo cell plans. That's close to what most people pay, often for everyone in the family, including the kids! If you have a job that really requires the best, unlimited cell internet is about $150/mo, but your employer might pay for it. Limited internet is about $100/mo, or only $600 more per year - hardly out of the range of most people. But this is all topic hijacking anyway, as I really started the thread to discuss online storage. Some people seem convinced cloud storage is evil, and I just want them to know it's becoming darned convenient. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:18 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: But have you seen modern cell coverage maps of the country? What part are you in that you can't get your email anywhere you need it? Offline access just isn't a factor any longer. Have you seen how expensive cellular data plans are? Most people with mobile phones don't have them. Most people with notebook computers don't have them either. Doesn't matter what the coverage is, access cost is still extremely costly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Not sure where you are looking, but there are 70 dollar unlimited data cell data plans out there, and 100 dollar unlimited everything plans. These plans have various ways of tethering to a laptop if you are looking for that. This can be extra cost, or something simply not denied by the carrier and allowed to be done for free. Tmo is supposed to be coming out with some killer data plans also to fight what sprint is doing. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Unlimited emails are available with $50/mo cell plans. That's close to what most people pay, often for everyone in the family, including the kids! If you have a job that really requires the best, unlimited cell internet is about $150/mo, but your employer might pay for it. Limited internet is about $100/mo, or only $600 more per year - hardly out of the range of most people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 09:51 AM 11/2/2009 -0500, you wrote: Don't fall for this. The person claimed he needed to read his emails when he wasn't online. I pointed out the fallacy involved. Namely, that if he had a job that *really* required this, he could get cell coverage over most of the country. Of course, it turned out he really has no such need, and is just using that as yet another excuse to cling to his old email app. You have no idea what his needs are. I don't travel into areas with no internet coverage very often, but when I do, it can indeed be a dead zone, with poor cell coverage. I certainly don't travel there often enough to contract for cell coverage at _any_ monthly rate! I think the good Rev lives in the midwest, which is where I have family and go maybe a couple times per year. There is NO ISP available _at all_, unless you want to sign up with the local phone co for a year-long contract, or even a monthly contract. That is one of the reasons I stick with Earthlink, who has an 800 dialup available for an as-needed price, if all else fails. Why don't all of you just lay off those of us who have searched and found the best solutions to our individual situations? We're not trying to convince you to change your way of doing things. Just know that you are not in everyman's situation. Until you get outside of your privileged environments, you cannot speak for every situation. I have available every hi-tek thing known to man when I'm at home, but when I travel, it is entirely different. Maybe it all depends on where one travels? BTW--cell coverage in my home area is very spotty, due to the very hilly/treed terrain. Within a 6 mile trip, I regulary lose coverage at least twice. I have NO cell reception at my summer home. I'm not complaining--wouldn't trade that place for all the cell coverage in the world. I've simply found a workaround for the problems I encounter. Your system wouldn't work for me. Sue--upstate NY * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Sue, we are in the same boat. Eudora 7 and Earthlink. I am using Earthlink webmail from Belo Horizonte, Brazil. And I use Eudora with a Brazilian e-mail provider... Both work great form me. But let me say that I had to change this group to earthlink because for some reason the Brazilian Terra was skipping many messages.. I was in Baltimore recently and was in Earthlink web mail all the time... Terra also has a web mail: www.terra.com.br For me this is fine! Marcio -Original Message- From: Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net Sent: Nov 2, 2009 10:15 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] online storage At 09:51 AM 11/2/2009 -0500, you wrote: Don't fall for this. The person claimed he needed to read his emails when he wasn't online. I pointed out the fallacy involved. Namely, that if he had a job that *really* required this, he could get cell coverage over most of the country. Of course, it turned out he really has no such need, and is just using that as yet another excuse to cling to his old email app. You have no idea what his needs are. I don't travel into areas with no internet coverage very often, but when I do, it can indeed be a dead zone, with poor cell coverage. I certainly don't travel there often enough to contract for cell coverage at _any_ monthly rate! I think the good Rev lives in the midwest, which is where I have family and go maybe a couple times per year. There is NO ISP available _at all_, unless you want to sign up with the local phone co for a year-long contract, or even a monthly contract. That is one of the reasons I stick with Earthlink, who has an 800 dialup available for an as-needed price, if all else fails. Why don't all of you just lay off those of us who have searched and found the best solutions to our individual situations? We're not trying to convince you to change your way of doing things. Just know that you are not in everyman's situation. Until you get outside of your privileged environments, you cannot speak for every situation. I have available every hi-tek thing known to man when I'm at home, but when I travel, it is entirely different. Maybe it all depends on where one travels? BTW--cell coverage in my home area is very spotty, due to the very hilly/treed terrain. Within a 6 mile trip, I regulary lose coverage at least twice. I have NO cell reception at my summer home. I'm not complaining--wouldn't trade that place for all the cell coverage in the world. I've simply found a workaround for the problems I encounter. Your system wouldn't work for me. Sue--upstate NY * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't fall for this. The person claimed he needed to read his emails when he wasn't online. I pointed out the fallacy involved. Namely, that if he had a job that *really* required this, he could get cell coverage over most of the country. Of course, it turned out he really has no such need, and is just using that as yet another excuse to cling to his old email app. Unlimited emails are available with $50/mo cell plans. That's close to what most people pay, often for everyone in the family, including the kids! If you have a job that really requires the best, unlimited cell internet is about $150/mo, but your employer might pay for it. Limited internet is about $100/mo, or only $600 more per year - hardly out of the range of most people. That's REALLY expensive. Our Internet and landline and mobile combined are less than $70, plus my husband's PAYGO is about $50 a year. Nobody needs to pay $150 a month for one mobile account unless it's for business and it's tax deductible, or you have a lot of money to throw around. Most people I know don't. iPhone unlimited plans are $70 a month, which is bad, but if you don't have a land line and you're single with a good job like my son it's not prohibitive. Once you have a family with multiple plans, it gets too expensive just for convenience. *$150/mo is outrageous for one mobile account, so is $100/mo* So is charging for incoming calls, and 20 cents for text messages without a plan, and two year contracts... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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In WA state, unlimited calling and a data plan for an iPhone is $130/ mo. It's only $70 / mo where you are? db That's REALLY expensive. Our Internet and landline and mobile combined are less than $70, plus my husband's PAYGO is about $50 a year. Nobody needs to pay $150 a month for one mobile account unless it's for business and it's tax deductible, or you have a lot of money to throw around. Most people I know don't. iPhone unlimited plans are $70 a month, which is bad, but if you don't have a land line and you're single with a good job like my son it's not prohibitive. Once you have a family with multiple plans, it gets too expensive just for convenience. *$150/mo is outrageous for one mobile account, so is $100/mo* So is charging for incoming calls, and 20 cents for text messages without a plan, and two year contracts... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:13 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I do have email on my phone (no more smartphone) but when I do a local download at home, poof there goes those email messages, plus the attachments and such are not available. (I get important documents that way, plus info) Stop using POP! Or just change the settings not to erase off the servers. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But have you seen modern cell coverage maps of the country? What part are you in that you can't get your email anywhere you need it? Offline access just isn't a factor any longer. Have you seen how expensive cellular data plans are? Most people with mobile phones don't have them. Most people with notebook computers don't have them either. Doesn't matter what the coverage is, access cost is still extremely costly. How about a US map with open WiFi coverage? Not much. Can't get email everywhere. Not a factor, though, if you just stay home. We don't. We travel. Most of the country has little WiFi coverage, including here where I live, and the cellular coverage isn't much better. This is in Maryland. I'm sure it's much worse elsewhere in less populated areas. Carrying phones for 3 different providers there are many locations with no coverage, still. Does Kooskie, Idaho have good service yet? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] online storage
I think you're misunderstanding the concept. If you're the type of person that needs to read email when offline, then simply enable local saving. Nobody's forcing you to keep a single copy online. But have you seen modern cell coverage maps of the country? What part are you in that you can't get your email anywhere you need it? Offline access just isn't a factor any longer. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet connection (HORRORS? Yes Virginia there are still places like that) In that case I do not need the net because I have my email messages and can look one up if I need to. Cloud storage might be good and secure (?) But it is dependent on having a connection. Not real bright. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Depends on who you are and what you do. Offline access is very important top me as my emails contain data for work and home, and many of the auxiliaries I am involved in. Important information. I do have email on my phone (no more smartphone) but when I do a local download at home, poof there goes those email messages, plus the attachments and such are not available. (I get important documents that way, plus info) I do know about modern cell coverage (did you not read pour recent discussion of Verizon vs, ATT) but unless youa re willing to spend another $60.00 over and above what you already spend on your personal cell plan (family of 5-5 lines (to include my mother) with full coverage, I cant afford that. No one else pays my cell bills but me. I don't get reimbursed by my employer for all my personal expenses even if they are spent doing work. So a home connection paid by me, and a work connection paid by them is all I get. Maybe one of these days when I become personally wealthy I will look into it. But not till then. Stewart At 01:02 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: I think you're misunderstanding the concept. If you're the type of person that needs to read email when offline, then simply enable local saving. Nobody's forcing you to keep a single copy online. But have you seen modern cell coverage maps of the country? What part are you in that you can't get your email anywhere you need it? Offline access just isn't a factor any longer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I do have email on my phone (no more smartphone) but when I do a local download at home, poof there goes those email messages, plus the attachments and such are not available. (I get important documents that way, plus info) Stop using POP! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions?
You can hear a review for Jungledisk at http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm episode 123. I haven't tried it but the security on JD sounds really good. On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used this service? http://jungledisk.com/ I was just wondering if it was reliable for photo storage. I have so many external hard disks stacked on my desk for photo backup that I'm running out of space...and sweating from the heat. ;-) Thanks! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions? / Picasa
Most of the rights they want granted are necessary to permit them to operate their service. The only odd one is about letting Google use your content in its advertising. It is overly broad and could be a problem for someone selling photography as a business. But a business would not be using Picassa. I'm not sure but I think the Google rules that you refer to pertain mainly if you post your pictures as Public Albums. You can also make your Google album, albums or individual pictures private at the time of uploading and there-after only those you have have sent an invitation to that contains the URL key string will be able to view your material. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions? / Picasa
Most of the rights they want granted are necessary to permit them to operate their service. The only odd one is about letting Google use your content in its advertising. It is overly broad and could be a problem for someone selling photography as a business. But a business would not be using Picassa. I always interpret legal clauses as broadly as possible, since I know whoever wrote them will do that even more so. I'm not sure but I think the Google rules that you refer to pertain mainly if you post your pictures as Public Albums. You can also make your Google album, albums or individual pictures private at the time of uploading and there-after only those you have have sent an invitation to that contains the URL key string will be able to view your material. Flikr recently had an issue where albums marked as private were available to the public. http://www.thesecuretimes.com/2008/02/private_flickr_photos_made_pub.php Picasa has security issues as well, but then, so does most any software. http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Picture-theft-through-hole-in-Google- s-Picasa--/news/96554 Technology *will* fail; it's just a matter of when and how spectacularly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Maybe this? Your Rights Google claims no ownership or control over any Content submitted, posted or displayed by you on or through Picasa Web Albums. You or a third party licensor, as appropriate, retain all patent, trademark and copyright to any Content you submit, post or display on or through Picasa Web Albums and you are responsible for protecting those rights, as appropriate. By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through Picasa Web Albums, ***you grant Google a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, adapt, distribute and publish such Content through Picasa Web Albums, including RSS or other content feeds offered through Picasa Web Albums, and other Google services. In addition, by submitting, posting or displaying Content which is intended to be available to the general public, you grant Google a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, adapt, distribute and publish such Content for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting Google services.*** So, be careful what you post up there. If you don't want other people to see it, don't. 6. GENERAL PRACTICES REGARDING USE, STORAGE AND SERVICE You agree that Google has no responsibility or liability for the deletion or failure to store or make available any Content and other communications maintained or transmitted by Picasa Web Albums. You acknowledge that Google has the right, at its sole discretion, to limit the number of transmissions you may send or receive through Picasa Web Albums or the amount of storage space, bandwidth, or other resources you may use, and Google has the right to terminate or suspend your account based on usage that exceeds these limits.You may elect to purchase other services or resources such as additional storage space. Payments for such purchases are nonrefundable. And 13. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT: YOUR USE OF PICASA WEB ALBUMS IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. PICASA WEB ALBUMS ARE PROVIDED ON AN AS IS AND AS AVAILABLE BASIS. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, GOOGLE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IOW, if we delete your pictures and you have no backup, tough cookies. We don't owe you jack. http://picasa.google.com/web/tos.html This is also why I'm not using Team Apps. They want all the action, but none of the grown-up responsibility. -Original Message- Why not Google's Picasa? It is specifically designed for photo storage and has many useful features for sharing photos. Maintains and uses the EXIF metadata. Supports Mac, Linux, and even Windows. 1 GB is free, 10 GB is $20/year, 40 GB is $75/year... 400 GB is $500/year. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions? / Picasa
I'm not sure but I think the Google rules that you refer to pertain mainly if you post your pictures as Public Albums. You can also make your Google album, albums or individual pictures private at the time of uploading and there-after only those you have have sent an invitation to that contains the URL key string will be able to view your material. db (The invitation could theoretically be passed around by your friends however..) Jeff Wright wrote: Maybe this? Your Rights Google claims no ownership or control over any Content submitted, posted or displayed by you on or through Picasa Web Albums. You or a third party licensor, as appropriate, retain all patent, trademark and copyright to any Content you submit, post or display on or through Picasa Web Albums and you are responsible for protecting those rights, as appropriate. By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through Picasa Web Albums, ***you grant Google a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, adapt, distribute and publish such Content through Picasa Web Albums, including RSS or other content feeds offered through Picasa Web Albums, and other Google services. In addition, by submitting, posting or displaying Content which is intended to be available to the general public, you grant Google a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, adapt, distribute and publish such Content for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting Google services.*** So, be careful what you post up there. If you don't want other people to see it, don't. 6. GENERAL PRACTICES REGARDING USE, STORAGE AND SERVICE You agree that Google has no responsibility or liability for the deletion or failure to store or make available any Content and other communications maintained or transmitted by Picasa Web Albums. You acknowledge that Google has the right, at its sole discretion, to limit the number of transmissions you may send or receive through Picasa Web Albums or the amount of storage space, bandwidth, or other resources you may use, and Google has the right to terminate or suspend your account based on usage that exceeds these limits.You may elect to purchase other services or resources such as additional storage space. Payments for such purchases are nonrefundable. And 13. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT: YOUR USE OF PICASA WEB ALBUMS IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. PICASA WEB ALBUMS ARE PROVIDED ON AN AS IS AND AS AVAILABLE BASIS. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, GOOGLE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IOW, if we delete your pictures and you have no backup, tough cookies. We don't owe you jack. http://picasa.google.com/web/tos.html This is also why I'm not using Team Apps. They want all the action, but none of the grown-up responsibility. -Original Message- Why not Google's Picasa? It is specifically designed for photo storage and has many useful features for sharing photos. Maintains and uses the EXIF metadata. Supports Mac, Linux, and even Windows. 1 GB is free, 10 GB is $20/year, 40 GB is $75/year... 400 GB is $500/year. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions?
Yes but Mozy is basically a back up tool. Bandwidth limitations meant that it would take. some days to transfer that much data either way. Try out the free 2 GB to see if you like it. It doesn't take long to set up. I can't remember if it is Mac compliant but I think it may be.. db Paula Minor wrote: No, but Mozy is excellent depending on what you needs are. Mozy has a decent interface, free for 2 GBs, $4.95 for unlimited storage, Really? UNLIMITED storage? I'm talking maybe 600 gig of photos. Another 500 gig if I back up my iTunes folder. I don't need file sharing. Mozy.com??? Thanks Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions?
I was just wondering if it was reliable for photo storage. I have so many external hard disks stacked on my desk for photo backup that I'm running out of space...and sweating from the heat. ;-) Why not Google's Picasa? It is specifically designed for photo storage and has many useful features for sharing photos. Maintains and uses the EXIF metadata. Supports Mac, Linux, and even Windows. 1 GB is free, 10 GB is $20/year, 40 GB is $75/year... 400 GB is $500/year. If you really have 600 GB of photos then I don't think any online solution will be appropriate because upload times will be too slow. My rough guess is that uploading 600 GB would take you around 10,000 hours. It is easier to get a 1 TB external drive for around $225. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions?
No, but Mozy is excellent depending on what you needs are. Mozy has a decent interface, free for 2 GBs, $4.95 for unlimited storage, 30 day archiving of deleted files, no file sharing capability db Paula Minor wrote: Has anyone used this service? http://jungledisk.com/ I was just wondering if it was reliable for photo storage. I have so many external hard disks stacked on my desk for photo backup that I'm running out of space...and sweating from the heat. ;-) Thanks! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions?
Skydrive from MS looks promising, inludes 5 gigs free, public, private and shared folders. Not sure the of the url...believe it's http://skydrive.live.com Mike On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used this service? http://jungledisk.com/ I was just wondering if it was reliable for photo storage. I have so many external hard disks stacked on my desk for photo backup that I'm running out of space...and sweating from the heat. ;-) Thanks! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Online storage solutions?
No, but Mozy is excellent depending on what you needs are. Mozy has a decent interface, free for 2 GBs, $4.95 for unlimited storage, Really? UNLIMITED storage? I'm talking maybe 600 gig of photos. Another 500 gig if I back up my iTunes folder. I don't need file sharing. Mozy.com??? Thanks Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
