Re: [CGUYS] cell phone recommendations
On 4/8/2010 2:12 AM, One Man wrote: Any recommendations for a new cell? Requirements are: att service and free. From the customer reviews on their website they all sound like crap. But I guess poor sound quality is endemic to the industry. With thanks ... Get one with a low SAR rating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cell phone recommendations
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Chris Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: On 4/8/2010 2:12 AM, One Man wrote: Any recommendations for a new cell? Requirements are: att service and free. From the customer reviews on their website they all sound like crap. But I guess poor sound quality is endemic to the industry. With thanks ... Get one with a low SAR rating. Which would mean not getting a smart phone. For whatever reason, smart phones radiate much more RF than do non-smart phones. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cell phone recommendations
Any recommendations for a new cell? Requirements are: att service and free. From the customer reviews on their website they all sound like crap. But I guess poor sound quality is endemic to the industry. With thanks ... Get one with a low SAR rating. Which would mean not getting a smart phone. For whatever reason, smart phones radiate much more RF than do non-smart phones. Free phones aren't free. Their cost is included in your monthly fee. If you don't plan to use your phone a lot, buy a phone outright and use PAYGO, maybe ATT network [ATT is expensive], but with another provider like O2, or use T-Mobile network [best deal]. My dad [now over 90 yrs. old] recently got a cheap Nokia 2600--speaker phone, puny camera, bluetooth, excellent reception, cost $30. He likes it, it's easy, but we did have to do the text for inserting address book entries. Speaker is clear, reception awesome. Buy either an unlocked phone or ATT phone. Unlocked is best, so you can choose network instead of being stuck with one. Nokia phones have best reception. My husband is still using [infrequently] my old Nokia 6010. I got rid of Samsung, Moto, and S-E phones because their reception quality is awful, Moto sounds terrible. Some newer Samsung phones and HTC phones are better than older ones. Consider a gently used unlocked phone. I bought my last one on eBay and saved around $300. When my new Nokia 3220 was stolen, I bought another one, barely used, online for less than half the retail price. You'll probably want a speakerphone, maybe bluetooth and a low-res camera. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cell phone recommendations
On 4/8/2010 10:28 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Which would mean not getting a smart phone. For whatever reason, smart phones radiate much more RF than do non-smart phones. Steve BOTH, smart phones AND Iphones Because, I bought two LG KG-800's via E-bay auctions, since the SAR rating is below 1Mhz. Since they are GSM phones, I can't use them with Verizon. But when I move, I will find a GSM carrier so I can use the phones. At present, I have a Verizon phone that is over 1Mhz n' I hate it for that reason. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
For those who are Google-impaired and will no doubt complain: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/cell-phone-exposure-reverses-alzheimers-and-boosts-memory-mice On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:02 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: There was a lengthy (for Popular Science) article on this this month. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Oh no! Here we go again. Microwave RF can most certainly damage human cells. If you can defeat the safety switch, stick your hand into a microwave oven and turn it on if you think this is but an urban myth. Of course, cell phones produce such RF at far lower power, but the FCC decided to limit the amount of RF absorption levels in the interest of public safety. Would cell phone providers like to be able to radiate at higher power levels? Probably so, because they could then get by with fewer cell tower sites if for no other reason. However, the FCC, in conjunction with the FDA, determined what was perceived to be a safe level and mandated that it not be exceeded by cell phone handsets. No one here on this list has said, to the best of my knowledge, that cell phone use has been proven to cause any health problems other than by killing and injuring folks when they crash their cars while using one or hurt themselves by falling over or running into things as they walk about talking or playing games on them. There is more than enough danger right there. The facts of the matter are as originally stated. Make you own decisions. If you want aluminum foil, be my guest. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John DeCarlo johndeca...@gmail.com wrote: For those who are Google-impaired and will no doubt complain: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/cell-phone-exposure-reverses-alzheimers-and-boosts-memory-mice It is funny how so many folks who have dismissed, out of hand, any suggestion that the radiation from a cell phone has any effect upon the brain or other bodily tissues have fully embraced this finding. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
It is funny how so many folks who have dismissed, out of hand, any suggestion that the radiation from a cell phone has any effect upon the brain or other bodily tissues have fully embraced this finding. As Bob Park likes to say, Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize in 1905 for showing that cell phones can't cause cancer. It seems to me that cell phone-related cancer is what's mostly rejected out of hand. Saying that they can't cause cancer isn't the same thing as saying that they can't have any effects at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
Here you go .you should all get this thing .it's gonna cook yer brainz !! http://www.ismashphone.com/2009/01/cellmate-headset-keeps-cell-phone-at-your -ear-if-it-really-exists-that-is.html You are guaranteed to be a veritable yoyo in as little as a week (depending on how much brain you still have before you start) ...now this is a class action lawsuit in the works if I've ever seen one ...is this thing the newest offering from Johns Manville? -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Cell phone radiated power There was a lengthy (for Popular Science) article on this this month. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Oh no! Here we go again. Microwave RF can most certainly damage human cells. If you can defeat the safety switch, stick your hand into a microwave oven and turn it on if you think this is but an urban myth. Of course, cell phones produce such RF at far lower power, but the FCC decided to limit the amount of RF absorption levels in the interest of public safety. Would cell phone providers like to be able to radiate at higher power levels? Probably so, because they could then get by with fewer cell tower sites if for no other reason. However, the FCC, in conjunction with the FDA, determined what was perceived to be a safe level and mandated that it not be exceeded by cell phone handsets. No one here on this list has said, to the best of my knowledge, that cell phone use has been proven to cause any health problems other than by killing and injuring folks when they crash their cars while using one or hurt themselves by falling over or running into things as they walk about talking or playing games on them. There is more than enough danger right there. The facts of the matter are as originally stated. Make you own decisions. If you want aluminum foil, be my guest. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: As Bob Park likes to say, Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize in 1905 for showing that cell phones can't cause cancer. It seems to me that cell phone-related cancer is what's mostly rejected out of hand. Mostly that is what was said, but countless others said and adhered to the mantra that there was no effect at all. But, to now be seeming to rejoice in the claims of tremendous medical benefits of cell phone radiation seems like grasping at straws to me. I never once ever heard anyone suggest that radiation from phones would eventually be shown to be beneficial. Indeed, this is but one sole study that already has many debunkers. It does, however, appear to compound the evidence that suggests that cell phone emissions of RF are likely to generate changes at the molecular level in brain tissue. I'm kinda happy with my brain as it is, but thanks anyway. The point of my initial post was not to stir up the debate about cancer, but just to point out that smart phones are designed to emit a lot more microwave RF than do regular cell phones. Can anyone explain why that is the case? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ together with http://www.cell-mateus.com/aboutcell-mate.html ...let's start an investment fund!! -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Cell phone radiated power There was a lengthy (for Popular Science) article on this this month. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Oh no! Here we go again. Microwave RF can most certainly damage human cells. If you can defeat the safety switch, stick your hand into a microwave oven and turn it on if you think this is but an urban myth. Of course, cell phones produce such RF at far lower power, but the FCC decided to limit the amount of RF absorption levels in the interest of public safety. Would cell phone providers like to be able to radiate at higher power levels? Probably so, because they could then get by with fewer cell tower sites if for no other reason. However, the FCC, in conjunction with the FDA, determined what was perceived to be a safe level and mandated that it not be exceeded by cell phone handsets. No one here on this list has said, to the best of my knowledge, that cell phone use has been proven to cause any health problems other than by killing and injuring folks when they crash their cars while using one or hurt themselves by falling over or running into things as they walk about talking or playing games on them. There is more than enough danger right there. The facts of the matter are as originally stated. Make you own decisions. If you want aluminum foil, be my guest. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
...you mean the name should be dumbphones ?? -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Cell phone radiated power On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: As Bob Park likes to say, Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize in 1905 for showing that cell phones can't cause cancer. It seems to me that cell phone-related cancer is what's mostly rejected out of hand. Mostly that is what was said, but countless others said and adhered to the mantra that there was no effect at all. But, to now be seeming to rejoice in the claims of tremendous medical benefits of cell phone radiation seems like grasping at straws to me. I never once ever heard anyone suggest that radiation from phones would eventually be shown to be beneficial. Indeed, this is but one sole study that already has many debunkers. It does, however, appear to compound the evidence that suggests that cell phone emissions of RF are likely to generate changes at the molecular level in brain tissue. I'm kinda happy with my brain as it is, but thanks anyway. The point of my initial post was not to stir up the debate about cancer, but just to point out that smart phones are designed to emit a lot more microwave RF than do regular cell phones. Can anyone explain why that is the case? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:31 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: the RF signals used by these phones are microwaves that are known to be able to damage human cells. Oh no! Here we go again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
Break out the aluminium helmets. I find a good metal strainer works well. Stewart At 10:21 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:31 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: the RF signals used by these phones are microwaves that are known to be able to damage human cells. Oh no! Here we go again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Oh no! Here we go again. Microwave RF can most certainly damage human cells. If you can defeat the safety switch, stick your hand into a microwave oven and turn it on if you think this is but an urban myth. Of course, cell phones produce such RF at far lower power, but the FCC decided to limit the amount of RF absorption levels in the interest of public safety. Would cell phone providers like to be able to radiate at higher power levels? Probably so, because they could then get by with fewer cell tower sites if for no other reason. However, the FCC, in conjunction with the FDA, determined what was perceived to be a safe level and mandated that it not be exceeded by cell phone handsets. No one here on this list has said, to the best of my knowledge, that cell phone use has been proven to cause any health problems other than by killing and injuring folks when they crash their cars while using one or hurt themselves by falling over or running into things as they walk about talking or playing games on them. There is more than enough danger right there. The facts of the matter are as originally stated. Make you own decisions. If you want aluminum foil, be my guest. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
There was a lengthy (for Popular Science) article on this this month. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Oh no! Here we go again. Microwave RF can most certainly damage human cells. If you can defeat the safety switch, stick your hand into a microwave oven and turn it on if you think this is but an urban myth. Of course, cell phones produce such RF at far lower power, but the FCC decided to limit the amount of RF absorption levels in the interest of public safety. Would cell phone providers like to be able to radiate at higher power levels? Probably so, because they could then get by with fewer cell tower sites if for no other reason. However, the FCC, in conjunction with the FDA, determined what was perceived to be a safe level and mandated that it not be exceeded by cell phone handsets. No one here on this list has said, to the best of my knowledge, that cell phone use has been proven to cause any health problems other than by killing and injuring folks when they crash their cars while using one or hurt themselves by falling over or running into things as they walk about talking or playing games on them. There is more than enough danger right there. The facts of the matter are as originally stated. Make you own decisions. If you want aluminum foil, be my guest. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone nos.
Did you ask them? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:23 PM, One Man one911...@yahoo.com wrote: Having sent my motorola razor through the wash and dry, I can't get it to work. Now att wants to replace my cell no. as well as the phone. what gives? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone nos.
Having sent my motorola razor through the wash and dry, I can't get it to work. Now att wants to replace my cell no. as well as the phone. what gives? They probably want to replace the SIM card in the phone or use that card in your new phone. I don't think they can legally change your phone number without your permission. ATT wants to be sure that you aren't asking for a new phone when the old one is still working. Show them the broken phone. And if you have a choice, do you really want another Razr? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone nos.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:44 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Did you ask them? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:23 PM, One Man one911...@yahoo.com wrote: Having sent my motorola razor through the wash and dry, I can't get it to work. Now att wants to replace my cell no. as well as the phone. what gives? Put the phone in a bag of crystal style kitty litter and ignore it for a week or so. As for the number tell them no thank you, Verizon would let me keep the old one and see what they say. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone numbers to be made public?
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: *I suppose the emails could even be a scam to get you to call the number to remain unlisted, thereby unwittingly giving the number to some unscrupulous party. Just hope the people who were sending these emails around, including to me, didn't call that number! You might want to check that number against http://whocalled.us/ to see if it has anything. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone numbers to be made public?
*I suppose the emails could even be a scam to get you to call the number to remain unlisted, thereby unwittingly giving the number to some unscrupulous party. Just hope the people who were sending these emails around, including to me, didn't call that number! Randall * On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Not unless you want yours to be public. I wouldn't mind so much if I didn't have to pay for incoming calls, as in other countries. We get too many spam calls as it is--and have to pay for some of them too! Had to change phone numbers twice to stop getting junk calls. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone numbers to be made public?
I've received a few emails stating that starting next month cell phone companies will be given access to personal cell phone numbers and that one must call a special number to request that your number not be given out. Can anyone verify whether this is correct or just another rumor? If the former, why am I not hearing it on the news or public service announcements? You aren't hearing this on the news because it's a myth. snopes.com is your friend: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone numbers to be made public?
Your belief that cell phone numbers are now, or have ever been, private, is mistaken. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: I've received a few emails stating that starting next month cell phone companies will be given access to personal cell phone numbers and that one must call a special number to request that your number not be given out. Can anyone verify whether this is correct or just another rumor? If the former, why am I not hearing it on the news or public service announcements? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone numbers to be made public?
I've received a few emails stating that starting next month cell phone companies will be given access to personal cell phone numbers and that one must call a special number to request that your number not be given out. Can anyone verify whether this is correct or just another rumor? If the former, why am I not hearing it on the news or public service announcements? This rumor has been going around repeatedly for a really long period of time. It's just that a rumor with no factual basis! http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/business/a/cell_directory.htm http://www2.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone numbers to be made public?
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: I've received a few emails stating that starting next month cell phone companies will be given access to personal cell phone numbers and that one must call a special number to request that your number not be given out. Can anyone verify whether this is correct or just another rumor? If the former, why am I not hearing it on the news or public service announcements? This is not true. What is true is that cell phone carriers will provide various governmental agencies with your calling records even when those requests are illegal and the cell phone carrier is fully aware that providing those records is against the law. Moral: Do not trust your cell phone company. Nothing that they say they will or will not do can be taken as truth. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone numbers to be made public?
Not unless you want yours to be public. I wouldn't mind so much if I didn't have to pay for incoming calls, as in other countries. We get too many spam calls as it is--and have to pay for some of them too! Had to change phone numbers twice to stop getting junk calls. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Could Your Cell Phone Help Shield You From Alzheimer's? - BusinessWeek http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/634709.html exposure to electromagnetic field prevented and even reversed brain impairment I can see cellphone service providers raising their rates already, touting the health benefits of their services. Maybe they can find a link between guys keeping their cell phones in their pants pockets and the benefit that offers in terms of another problem related to aging. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
Personal testimony. NO effect. Stewart At 08:47 AM 1/7/2010, you wrote: I can see cellphone service providers raising their rates already, touting the health benefits of their services. Maybe they can find a link between guys keeping their cell phones in their pants pockets and the benefit that offers in terms of another problem related to aging. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Personal testimony. NO effect. Try setting your phone to vibrate mode. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
This is a foul plot launched by the global warmists to demonstrate that scientists really do report what they find, even when it doesn't agree with expectations. Fred Holmes At 01:14 AM 1/7/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Could Your Cell Phone Help Shield You From Alzheimer's? - BusinessWeek http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/634709.html exposure to electromagnetic field prevented and even reversed brain impairment * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
Smiling Bob? Stewart At 10:01 AM 1/7/2010, you wrote: This is a foul plot launched by the global warmists to demonstrate that scientists really do report what they find, even when it doesn't agree with expectations. Fred Holmes At 01:14 AM 1/7/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Could Your Cell Phone Help Shield You From Alzheimer's? - BusinessWeek http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/634709.html exposure to electromagnetic field prevented and even reversed brain impairment * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
I have (it is always set to ring and vibrate as I cant hear that well.) I am a lost cause. Stewart At 10:02 AM 1/7/2010, you wrote: Try setting your phone to vibrate mode. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
Now I understand why I have a good memory... like a rodent!! -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain This is a foul plot launched by the global warmists to demonstrate that scientists really do report what they find, even when it doesn't agree with expectations. Fred Holmes At 01:14 AM 1/7/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Could Your Cell Phone Help Shield You From Alzheimer's? - BusinessWeek http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/634709.html exposure to electromagnetic field prevented and even reversed brain impairment * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
On Jan 7, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Where as I do not try and use it that much, keep my conversations short etc. and I remember stuff going way back. (Like an elephant) Or you think you are remembering stuff, but are actually just hallucinating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone
Wal-mart has a selection also. I have seen the greatest variety of pay-go phone options at WalMart. Phones typically come with 10-15 minutes of air time included. I would expect the best thing to do is buy the phone in Montana because the phones sold in the store will probably have reasonable coverage in the area. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone
Another thing is to go to these companies websites and look over their coverage map. They will usually show you where they cover or allow you to put in a zip code and determine coverage. Not all cell phones offer the same coverage. What works in your neck of the woods might not work so well in another. Stewart At 12:04 PM 6/14/2008, you wrote: Wal-mart has a selection also. I have seen the greatest variety of pay-go phone options at WalMart. Phones typically come with 10-15 minutes of air time included. I would expect the best thing to do is buy the phone in Montana because the phones sold in the store will probably have reasonable coverage in the area. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I doubt large parts of Montana actually have any cell coverage. If they're going camping, they'll need a satellite phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Agreed. You can also search for coverage. Here's one interesting example: http://cellphones.lovetoknow.com/Cell_Phone_Service_Area_Comparison Richard P. I doubt large parts of Montana actually have any cell coverage. If they're going camping, they'll need a satellite phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes, I checked coverage for a bunch of carriers. Some have no coverage, and some cover the towns and highways pretty well. Tony B wrote: I doubt large parts of Montana actually have any cell coverage. If they're going camping, they'll need a satellite phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Grocery stores here sell ATT phones or go phones etc for 15 bux and then you can buy a card for 20-100 bux for minutessome phones you can buy for 30 and they come with minutes. Wal-mart has a selection also. Mike On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Friend of mine has asked my advise on renting a cell phone when they go on a trip to Montana in September. I don't really know much about the ins and outs of cell phone deals, but my guess would be the a prepaid one like they used to have at Radio Shack would be the best bet. But I don't think Radio Shack has them any more, or maybe just some don't. Any advice on which prepays are good and how good the coverage might be would be appreciated. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]
No. Don't replace the 6010. It's the best basic phone you'll find. It's almost indestructible--except when you drop it into a Big Gulp like Cavan did. It has very good reception, is very reliable. The only thing missing is speaker-phone feature, but the headphone is also very good. The only reason I replaced my 6010 is that I needed an international phone, and Cavan needed to replace his fizzy wet phone. Mine is tri-band Nokia 3220, and I really should have a quad-band. I don't see any quad-band candy bar phones in the US I like that are reasonably priced, so I'll wait until I can get a small quad/wifi candy bar phone for around $200. I've decided to buy a rock-bottom basic phone in Europe. The Nokia 1100 costs around 10 euro, and I can get a free SIM with cheap international rates from United Mobile. Betty Correction: Last year I bought a $50 card that was good for a year and rolled over my unused minutes. So the current year cost me just $50. I will probably renew with a $100 card since my annual usage seems to be about 700 minutes. So shoudl I replace my Nokia 6010 candy-bar with something better? I looked at some newer phones with color screens and the screens lacked contrast so were harder to read. They also wanted to sell me ringtones while my 6010 came with a nice assortment of sound effects that work just fine. Short of getting an iPhone, is a better phone worth the freight? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]
I use the T-Mobile plan. While the T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days the unused minutes roll over when you buy another 1000 minute card before it expires. The 1000 minute card costs $100. Plus after you buy your first $100 you get golden rewards extra minutes added to the 1000 minutes. Correction: Last year I bought a $50 card that was good for a year and rolled over my unused minutes. So the current year cost me just $50. I will probably renew with a $100 card since my annual usage seems to be about 700 minutes. So shoudl I replace my Nokia 6010 candy-bar with something better? I looked at some newer phones with color screens and the screens lacked contrast so were harder to read. They also wanted to sell me ringtones while my 6010 came with a nice assortment of sound effects that work just fine. Short of getting an iPhone, is a better phone worth the freight? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]
They're owned by Tracfone, and yes, they're still around. Phone/plan choice depends on how much you will use the phone. Net10 is 10 cents a minute, so is T-Mobile. Net10 and Tracfone minutes expire after 60-90 days; T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days. There's lots of prepaid choices, but few good ones. I use the T-Mobile plan. While the T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days the unused minutes roll over when you buy another 1000 minute card before it expires. The 1000 minute card costs $100. Plus after you buy your first $100 you get golden rewards extra minutes added to the 1000 minutes. Cell phone plans are too complicated and expensive I agree with the 1st part, not the 2nd part. The above T-Mobile 1000 minute card provides a year of service for $100. Not bad! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]
There used to be NET10 phones not sure if they are still around. Stewart At 08:54 AM 4/17/2008, you wrote: Cell phone doesn't have to be large, just simple to use and easy to read. My dad got his first cell phone a couple of years ago. He's 88, but he's also an engineer. He went to K-Mart and picked up a PAYGO phone by Tracfone--Nokia candy bar phone, very loud but not a speaker phone. I added the numbers he needs to his phone book. He uses it a few times a month, likes the convenience, and can read both numbers and screen. My husband has a 7-11 SpeakOut Nokia 1100 that I set up for him. Screen is small, keys are white and easy to read, but screen isn't. He likes my old Nokia 6010 better and uses that now. Compare PAYGO plans: http://www.cellguru.net/prepaid_compare.htm and http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/usa.html. Find accounts with 90-365 day expiration. Consider phone plus network for the area before buying; I like 7-11 SpeakOut, T-Mobile prepaid, Virgin Mobile, Alltel U, but coverage is most important. Be sure to add an ICE [in case of emergency] number to the phone book. Read the fine print. Verizon prepaid has good coverage but TCO of prepaid is more expensive than some monthly plans--find other prepaid using their network. Jitterbug is expensive. There are better phones that people with limited vision can use. What network does Jitterbug use? For landline, we also have Economy service with Verizon, but our local calls are 9 cents each. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]
Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: There used to be NET10 phones not sure if they are still around. They're owned by Tracfone, and yes, they're still around. Phone/plan choice depends on how much you will use the phone. Net10 is 10 cents a minute, so is T-Mobile. Net10 and Tracfone minutes expire after 60-90 days; T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days. There's lots of prepaid choices, but few good ones. If you only use 20 minutes a month and buy 100 minutes, they'll expire before you use them. So 15 cents a minute for 7-11 SpeakOut $25 card, expiring in 365 days, is a good deal for people who use the phone infrequently and don't want to lose minutes that expire too soon. Talk a lot? Get a plan with cheaper minutes. Compare at links in my last message. Cell phone plans are too complicated and expensive. It took us a long time to compare and get what we need at a fair price. It's not so bad in Europe, the choice of phones is better and the plans are much cheaper. Sigh...some day it will be better here too--maybe when Google gets into the mobile phone biz. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]
At one time you could buy a $100 card or similar with Tracfone and get a years activation. Stewart At 11:57 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: There used to be NET10 phones not sure if they are still around. They're owned by Tracfone, and yes, they're still around. Phone/plan choice depends on how much you will use the phone. Net10 is 10 cents a minute, so is T-Mobile. Net10 and Tracfone minutes expire after 60-90 days; T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days. There's lots of prepaid choices, but few good ones. If you only use 20 minutes a month and buy 100 minutes, they'll expire before you use them. So 15 cents a minute for 7-11 SpeakOut $25 card, expiring in 365 days, is a good deal for people who use the phone infrequently and don't want to lose minutes that expire too soon. Talk a lot? Get a plan with cheaper minutes. Compare at links in my last message. Cell phone plans are too complicated and expensive. It took us a long time to compare and get what we need at a fair price. It's not so bad in Europe, the choice of phones is better and the plans are much cheaper. Sigh...some day it will be better here too--maybe when Google gets into the mobile phone biz. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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By the way, I just found an add for that cell phone I mentioned in another thread. It is in a Shell time share magazine. It's called the Jitterbug. The cheapest price listed in the add is $10/mo. But it also says call for their lowest price. 1-866-540-0297. I have no affiliation with them. And it has a 30 day return policy. On Apr 15, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: There are a whole bunch of logs, any clues as to which one to check? Nope * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone problems
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: We have talked over cell phone companies before and I have always been happy with mine up until yesterday. I have a family plan with Verizon, which I have had a few years. Earlier this year I upgraded both my wife's and mine cell phones, which required a new two year contract. We also have two other phones part of this family plan. Over the past few months my one son has monopolized the plan and caused me to pay overages, so I put it to him, either shape up or get your own plan. He and his friend did just that. (he is in college) So now I have this extra phone and line I do not need. I called Verizon and they want to charge me $175.00 to drop this line. His line is a secondary line on my plan and not one I had purchased a phone on (He supplied his own phone). Turns out they want $175 for each line if I wanted to cancel with them. (I talked with the local outfit who I signed up with and the little girl there was awfully snooty about it.) Anyone know any tricks or special ways to get around this? I do not want to keep an extra line for the next year and a half, neither do I want to spend $175. to cancel a line that is not going to be used. I am pretty mad at them right now, and they will no longer get recommendations from me to any local people. Thanks. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 Stewart, While I only got a Verizon cell plan a couple of months ago, I remember having to go through a situation similar to yours, with anothe company. They wanted to penalize my (ex)fiance n' I for leaving the company when, we had already had the plan two years which is what the original agreement stated. I told them, I was prepared to take them to court for lying on the original agreement. That is when they backed down and, did not charge my (ex)fiance n' I for switching. Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Well that is partly the problem. It seems that Verizon assumes all phones when you sign an agreement on the main line. I thought it was only on the main line not the subsidiary lines. (My number holds the contract, not the subsidiary numbers.) Not only that usually there is a penalty if you have bought a phone with them as they sell the phones at a loss hoping to get the money back out of you in the plan. But the phone I want to disconnect is not one I bought from them. I do not think they will want me bad mouthing them, but they were pretty snotty when I talked with them. Like to use legalese. I wonder what the initials FCC would say to them. Stewart At 08:03 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote: Stewart, While I only got a Verizon cell plan a couple of months ago, I remember having to go through a situation similar to yours, with anothe company. They wanted to penalize my (ex)fiance n' I for leaving the company when, we had already had the plan two years which is what the original agreement stated. I told them, I was prepared to take them to court for lying on the original agreement. That is when they backed down and, did not charge my (ex)fiance n' I for switching. Christopher Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Rev. Stewart Marshall We have talked over cell phone companies before and I have always been happy with mine up until yesterday. snip I understand that a bunch (hundreds? thousands?) of people got letters from Sprint/Nextel(??) saying Gee, thanks for your business. But your business has been costing us to much money in tech support fees so please go somewhere else. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Mercy, Buckets! (As they say in France) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Well that is partly the problem. It seems that Verizon assumes all phones when you sign an agreement on the main line. I thought it was only on the main line not the subsidiary lines. (My number holds the contract, not the subsidiary numbers.) Not only that usually there is a penalty if you have bought a phone with them as they sell the phones at a loss hoping to get the money back out of you in the plan. But the phone I want to disconnect is not one I bought from them. I do not think they will want me bad mouthing them, but they were pretty snotty when I talked with them. Like to use legalese. I wonder what the initials FCC would say to them. Stewart I wonder if, the telecommunications industry does business, the same way, the hospitality n' travel industrys' do business where, the rules always change, from day-to-day and, not for the benefit of the customer. Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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If you got a second or third phone etc 6 months into the contract, you'd probably suddenly have a two year contract upon adding the new phone. Good luck. Telcos, cellular as well as land line are able to write laws by themselves knowing our reps will just pass them along. Like Tom says, write your rep, vote them out. Justice department just told FCC it should in essence allow AT$T to write any laws dealing with net neutrality. One rep from justice described the net neutrality debate analogous to the PO having higher rates for faster service showing they either have no clue what the debate is about or don't care. Probably both. I've seen people get out of contracts by roaming and making helluva lot of calls...when roaming is free of course. Verizon will still have to pay the third party. Start costing them money, probably the only way to get them to notice you. Mike On 9/13/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that is partly the problem. It seems that Verizon assumes all phones when you sign an agreement on the main line. I thought it was only on the main line not the subsidiary lines. (My number holds the contract, not the subsidiary numbers.) Not only that usually there is a penalty if you have bought a phone with them as they sell the phones at a loss hoping to get the money back out of you in the plan. But the phone I want to disconnect is not one I bought from them. I do not think they will want me bad mouthing them, but they were pretty snotty when I talked with them. Like to use legalese. I wonder what the initials FCC would say to them. Stewart At 08:03 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote: Stewart, While I only got a Verizon cell plan a couple of months ago, I remember having to go through a situation similar to yours, with anothe company. They wanted to penalize my (ex)fiance n' I for leaving the company when, we had already had the plan two years which is what the original agreement stated. I told them, I was prepared to take them to court for lying on the original agreement. That is when they backed down and, did not charge my (ex)fiance n' I for switching. Christopher Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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In America partially. In Europe you do not have plans, nor contrasts, nor buy phones from the cell company. As I understand it incoming calls are also free. They are used to a whole different system that seems to work better than ours, but then again it does not need to cover as much territory. and their population density is much higher. Stewart At 08:37 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote: I wonder if, the telecommunications industry does business, the same way, the hospitality n' travel industrys' do business where, the rules always change, from day-to-day and, not for the benefit of the customer. Christopher Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Only way I have ever heard of is if you can find someone else to take the line Verizon will transfer and if I remember rightly you will no longer be responsible. There are some websites which can help you look, celltradeusa.com is one if I am remembering the name correctly. on Thursday 09/13/2007 Christopher Range([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: We have talked over cell phone companies before and I have always been happy with mine up until yesterday. I have a family plan with Verizon, which I have had a few years. Earlier this year I upgraded both my wife's and mine cell phones, which required a new two year contract. We also have two other phones part of this family plan. Over the past few months my one son has monopolized the plan and caused me to pay overages, so I put it to him, either shape up or get your own plan. He and his friend did just that. (he is in college) So now I have this extra phone and line I do not need. I called Verizon and they want to charge me $175.00 to drop this line. His line is a secondary line on my plan and not one I had purchased a phone on (He supplied his own phone). Turns out they want $175 for each line if I wanted to cancel with them. (I talked with the local outfit who I signed up with and the little girl there was awfully snooty about it.) Anyone know any tricks or special ways to get around this? I do not want to keep an extra line for the next year and a half, neither do I want to spend $175. to cancel a line that is not going to be used. I am pretty mad at them right now, and they will no longer get recommendations from me to any local people. Thanks. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 Stewart, While I only got a Verizon cell plan a couple of months ago, I remember having to go through a situation similar to yours, with anothe company. They wanted to penalize my (ex)fiance n' I for leaving the company when, we had already had the plan two years which is what the original agreement stated. I told them, I was prepared to take them to court for lying on the original agreement. That is when they backed down and, did not charge my (ex)fiance n' I for switching. Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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At 08:22 PM 09/13/2007 -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote I do not think they will want me bad mouthing them, but they were pretty snotty when I talked with them. Like to use legalese. I wonder what the initials FCC would say to them. Or Attorney General's Office? Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
