Re: [Cooker] KDE 3.2 beta1 - KDM Session Type Selection

2003-11-16 Thread Frank Griffin
Michael Lothian wrote:

I'm suffering the same problem.

I just installed KDE 3.2 beta 1 from Cooker (kdebase-kdm 3.1.93 
-23mdk) and I have found a problem with KDM session type selection. 
It just doesn't work. It always starts IceWM even if I select 
something else.

Is this a known problem? Is there any fix available for it?


It goes further.  If you select GNOME during the first-time wizard, then 
logout and login, you get a default of KDE.  It is after that that 
everything goes to IceWM.




Re: [Cooker] KDE 3.2 beta1 - KDM Session Type Selection

2003-11-16 Thread Frank Griffin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

For me it works fine if I choose Default.
 

Well, it depends on what you want to get for Default.  If I go through 
the drakfw wizard and choose GNOME, that's what I expect to get the next 
time.

But that aside, the problem is that no matter what WM you choose 
explicitly from the (I assume) MDKKDM submenu, all you get is ICEWm.  
Maybe this doesn't happen if all you ever try to use is KDE.




[Cooker] No KDE app menu entries in GNOME ?

2003-11-12 Thread Frank Griffin
I've just done a new installation from a Monday (Nov. 10) refresh of 
cooker, and I'm finding that the launcher in GNOME no longer contains 
any entries for KDE apps, such as Kate, KCalc, etc.  I'm sure these were 
there in the 9.2 RCs, since I always add them to my panel.

Have these disappeared by design, or is this something that needs to be 
corrected ?




[Cooker] Orphan files ?

2003-11-12 Thread Frank Griffin
I'm looking for some guidance on trying to find the package which owns a 
file.

Several times now when I've had a problem with a particular executable 
or one of the initialization script files, I've tried to find the owning 
package for purposes of filing a bug report by using rpmdrake's seach on 
filename feature, only to get no hits from the search.

The latest example is /usr/bin/update-menus.

Should this technique work, or should I be doing something else ?




Re: [Cooker] Orphan files ?

2003-11-12 Thread Frank Griffin
James Sparenberg wrote:

urpmf /usr/bin/update-menus 

will give you the package that includes that file.

 

Michael Altizer wrote:

It seems as though this should work.  Using urpmf --files update-menus 
returns the following results:
menu:/usr/bin/update-menus
menu:/usr/share/man/man1/update-menus.1.bz2


Hmm. 

It appears that I have a /usr/bin/update-menus without having the menus 
package installed.  I've also got the man page.  However

If I do what you suggested, I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmf --files update-menus
majesty-demo:/usr/local/games/maj_demo/.manifest/scripts/update-menus.sh
mindrover-demo:/usr/games/mindrover_demo/.manifest/scripts/update-menus.sh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmf /usr/bin/update-menus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi menu
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]#
In addition, if I look in my cooker tree, I have
  menu-2.1.5-124mdk.i586.rpm
but neither rpmdrake install nor rpmdrake remove lists the package when 
I select list all packages, alphabetical.

A urpmi.update -a made absolutely no difference in these results.

Is there some lower-level query I can do to discern why urpmi thinks the 
package is installed and I can see that the files are present, but 
rpmdrake thinks it is neither here nor there ?






Re: [Cooker] Orphan files ?

2003-11-12 Thread Frank Griffin
James Sparenberg wrote:

An alternative.

rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/update-menus

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/update-menus
menu-2.1.5-124mdk





Re: [Cooker] Orphan files ?

2003-11-12 Thread Frank Griffin
Leon Brooks wrote:

$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/update-menus
menu-2.1.5-123mdk
 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# rpm -qf /usr/bin/update-menus
menu-2.1.5-124mdk



Re: [Cooker] Orphan files ?

2003-11-12 Thread Frank Griffin
Leon Brooks wrote:

Try this:

   rm -vf /var/lib/rpm/__db.00*
   rpm --rebuilddb
 

I'll be happy to, but one of the reasons to post this was to see if 
anybody wanted a snapshot of the existing files that seem to cause urpmi 
to recognize that the package is installed but neither urpmf nor 
rpmdrake to recognize the files included in it, or in the case of 
rpmdrake, that the package even exists (since it isn't recognized as 
being either installed or not).

If somebody can tell me which files to copy off to the side for 
inclusion with a bug report, I'll be happy to move on.  If the 
responsible parties aren't interested, then please just say so, and I'll 
abandon trying to preserve evidence




Re: [Cooker] Test - please ignore

2003-11-01 Thread Frank
I have just done a Reply and not a Reply All so you can see that 
something is getting through.

--
Regards
Frank

Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve.
Registered Linux User # 324213


Quel Qun wrote:

I got two successive delivery failure :(
 






Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check

2003-10-31 Thread Frank Griffin
FACORAT Fabrice wrote:

I suffer from this too. But normally this has been corrected. If you
launch filesystem check, the system should reboot automatically after.
 

There are two interpretations for misleading here. 

The original complaint was that the message gave the impression you had 
to fsck an ext3 system.

But the message is misleading even for ext2, since it doesn't accurately 
convey what happens if you do or do not press Y.  As far as I can tell, 
if you don't press Y when the message appears during the first boot 
after an unclean shutdown, it runs e2fsck and reboots anyway. 

On the reboot, you'll get the same message.  But this time, if you don't 
press Y, it will find that the partition is now clean and continue the 
boot.  If you do, I think it redoes the e2fsck and reboots again (this 
is from memory, I'm not sure of it).

I'm guessing that the old code drove the message solely from whether the 
partition was marked unclean or not, so that if it ran fsck and 
rebooted, you wouldn't get the message at all during the reboot.  It 
looks like the new code separates the state of the partition from how 
you respond to the message, and will only consider the state of the 
partition if you don't press Y.

If this is the case, then on the reboot a better message would be Your 
system appears to have shut down uncleanly, and it has not yet 
successfully rebooted although the root filesystem has been checked and 
now appears clean.  Press Y within 5 seconds to force another 
check/reboot cycle, otherwise this boot will continue.

Is there any point to even showing the message on the reboot if the root 
partition now shows as clean ?




Re: [Cooker] Boot-up speed

2003-10-30 Thread Frank Griffin
Buchan Milne wrote:

Only load services when they're needed (or after gui is up)

I think that's what WinXP does.

It's not that simple.

For me to be able to log in (on my desktop in a LAN), I need at least
NFS (ie portmap, nfslock) and autofs up and running. For a disconnected
LDAP setup (see the article on mandrakesecure.net), I need LDAP up and
running too (otherwise is is not possible to login, or show user lists
if using user lists on the dm).


I'm guessing here, but when booting Mandrake on a reasonably fast 
machine (2.4GHz), the major delays I see are the depmod and activities 
which are looking for things which aren't there, such as NFS mounts from 
other machines which aren't up, or LAN adapters which aren't in use 
(e.g. a laptop NIC which is only used in-home or in-office).

When these things ARE there, startup proceeds quickly.  The problem may 
be the timeouts involved in looking for things you're not going to find.

This is *definitely* a problem in shutdown.  If, for example, my desktop 
mounts an NFS directory from my laptop, and I then shut the laptop down, 
shutting down the desktop will retry umount for the mount 3 times while 
shutting down NFS, and another 3 times during the final unmounting file 
systems phase.  Each retry takes something like 90-120 seconds.

Granted, on the particular issue of NFS, it's probably possible to tweak 
things to make this better, but that doesn't hold in every case.  My 
laptop, when used in-house, often has its on-board NIC plugged into my 
internal LAN.  If it doesn't (when on the road), there is a delay of at 
least a minute trying to bring up eth0.

Part of the solution may simply be to revisit these timeouts, and adopt 
the philosophy that in today's networks, if you don't find it in a few 
seconds, it's probably not there, and you should either abandon the 
attempt or else background it.

Another part of the solution would be a way to let particular components 
block on the availability of others, so that one component's 
initialization can proceed asynchronously, and a second component only 
blocks from the time it decides it requires the service until the time 
it is ready.  A partial solution would be to create a few parallel 
initialization streams each of which serially runs components which 
depend upon one another.




Re: [Cooker] Boot-up speed

2003-10-29 Thread Frank Griffin
Jos wrote:

I did some testing myself, working on something similar, though I still don't 
know what people prefer: that I hack init, or replace /etc/rc.d/rc by a 
binary...
 

Is the problem that the necessary initializations take too long, or that 
they take too long when run serially under a single thread ?




[Cooker] No kernels on uninett ?

2003-10-20 Thread Frank Griffin
I resync'd cooker with ftp.uninett.no about an hour ago, and found that 
all of my .15 kernels were deleted with no replacements.  Sure enough, 
all of the cooker kernel files (except for the docs) are gone from the 
mirror.

I've continued to check over the past hour, so this isn't a case of an 
update in-flight.




Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.

2003-10-18 Thread Frank Griffin
Randy Welch wrote:

Only problem is that it will only find the first installed linux on 
your disk.  My test installs are always in later partitions.  The 
rescue image tends to find the first one it sees.  (so on my system it 
would see my 9.1 install instead of the 9.2...


I almost never tell rescue to mount partitions for me.  Just go to 
console, and mount the correct partition on /mnt directly.




Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.

2003-10-17 Thread Frank Griffin
Ron Stodden wrote:

Buchan Milne wrote:

Rescue is available for network and hd installs. Have you tried it? I
have used it a few times on a network install.


That´s news to me.

Pray tell us how rescue is initiated from an hd or network install, 
and where that is so unmissably documented that I must have missed it ...

AFAIK, all of the boot paths (floppy images, ISOs) give you the F1/Enter 
option when they start.




[Cooker] Isolinux broken

2003-10-13 Thread Frank Griffin
In current cooker (and for several days now), booting isolinux to do a 
hard drive install fails on my notebook.  You go through specifying the 
drive location, get second stage and probing serial ports, several 
lines of stuff that flies by too fast to read, and the a dead black screen.

A hard drive install using hd.img from the same cooker tree doesn't have 
this problem.




[Cooker] Incomplete 22.12 kernel move

2003-10-13 Thread Frank Griffin
I updated cooker this morning from uninett.no several times until I got 
no activity, and have been updating with no activity for several hours 
now, so I believe I have everything available. 

The rsync update deleted the .10 kernel and downloaded the .12 kernels, 
but when I copy hd.img to a floppy and try an install, I get

There was an error installing packages: kernel-2.4.22.10mdk-1-1mdk.i586

Somebody is still looking for the old one.




[Cooker] MakeCD creating 9 ISOs ?

2003-09-29 Thread Frank Griffin
Apologies if I somehow missed this thread, but how come

./MakeCD -t /data -a /data/cooker/i586

which used to produce 4 650MB ISO images is now producing 9 ?  Is mkcd 
including all of contrib now ?




Re: [Cooker] MakeCD creating 9 ISOs ?

2003-09-29 Thread Frank Griffin
Greg Meyer wrote:

use -c switch to control number of iso's.
 

Yes, but without knowing how the content has changed from the days when 
the same command produced 3 full CDs and one partially full CD, it's 
hard to pick the correct number.




Re: [Cooker] resigning pending

2003-09-08 Thread Frank Griffin
Warly wrote:

For rc2, but there should not be many packages unsigned.
 

You might want to spell that re-signing to avoid scaring the hell out 
of us




Re: [Cooker] Expert install from isoliunx ?

2003-09-04 Thread Frank Griffin
Buchan Milne wrote:

Hmmm, you should have given us this info before ... since you can't use
both isolinux and lilo (they are both bootloaders, isolinux is for
booting from CDs), I assume you are bootstrapping your install from
lilo? If so, you need to provide the parameters isolinux would normally
provide to the kernel (look in the syslinux.cfg) via the append line of
your lilo.conf
Thanks, I added expert to the append line, and that did the trick.




Re: [Cooker] about shorewall update

2003-09-04 Thread Frank Griffin
J.A. Magallon wrote:

I think shorewall does something strange on update. I had shorewall installed
on a box, but not active. After an update with urpmi, the updated package
auto activated itself
Shorewall has become a major pain since sometime in the 8.2 - 9.0 
timeframe when somebody decided to make the default setting pass 
absolutely nothing.  Before that, I used to install and enable it just 
to see whether my firewall was doing a good job.  Since then, I install 
it, but disable it, because I'm not willing to do the work to 
re-research which ports ought to be open and which oughtn't.

It's interesting that when you use the MDK configuration tool for 
Shorewall and select pass everything, MDK disables Shorewall 
completely.  You can see this by selecting Shorewall during install and 
then selecting pass everything during Summary configuration.  When you 
get back to Summary, you'll see Firewall  disabled, and the 
drakservices menu will show Shorewall with the Start on Boot checkbox 
unchecked.

Frankly, if I want a firewall, then I want it configured with some 
intelligent choices which I can use as a base from which to work.  I 
don't want to have to redo the research the authors did just to figure 
out what can be safely re-enabled.

Just FYI, I've always used Standard security level, both before and 
after Shorewall became unusable out-of-the-box.




Re: [Cooker] about shorewall update

2003-09-04 Thread Frank Griffin
Adam Williamson wrote:

Block everything is just about the most sensible default I can think of,
given that there's no port that all or even most users will want open.
 

I guess it depends upon what you're doing.  In my case, the default 
settings blocked traffic to my gateway, both in and out, and effectively 
shut down the network.




Re: [Cooker] Expert install from isoliunx ?

2003-09-03 Thread Frank Griffin
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

Frank Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there any way to do an
expert install from an isolinux boot ?  I can't seem to find
anyplace to request it
   

F1 then linux expert?

 

That's how I'm used to doing it from floppy image boots, but I tried 
twice and couldn't find anyplace in the isolinux sequence which 
mentioned the possibility of hitting F1.  Where do I do that ?




Re: [Cooker] Expert install from isoliunx ?

2003-09-03 Thread Frank Griffin
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

That's how I'm used to doing it from floppy image boots, but I
tried twice and couldn't find anyplace in the isolinux sequence
which mentioned the possibility of hitting F1.  Where do I do
that ?
   

In the bootloader stage. Very first graphical image of mandrake.
When you computer boots.
 

I've tried leaning on F1 at every possible place, with no effect.  Can I 
put something in the LILO entry for booting isolinux ?






Re: [Cooker] urpmi --auto-select asks too many questions

2003-09-03 Thread Frank Griffin
Paul Dorman wrote:

On Thursday 04 September 2003 10:19, Liam Quin wrote:
 

However, if I'm asked, say,
   package has bad signature, continue anyway?
I might be asked that question 10 times.
The problem is that I want to leave a urpmi --auto-select
running, not having to check up on it every few minutes.
   

You can add the missing keys yourself with two commands:
 

There are also several packages currently which have either invalid 
signatures (not the entire directory as before the new keys were brought 
into urpmi) or no signatures at all.

You can bypass signature prompts with the --no-verify-rpm switch.




Re: [Cooker] mirrors ? cannot rsync with ftp.sunet.se

2003-09-02 Thread Frank Griffin
Adam Williamson wrote:

On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 13:14, Dave Cotton wrote:
 

On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 12:31, Adam Williamson wrote:

   

Well, it was a Sunday yesterday...
 

And so should have given mirrors a chance to catch up if they could.
   

I mean, there's not necessarily going to be any new packages on a
Sunday.
 

That wasn't the pattern.  ftp.sunet.se had been updating fine on Friday 
and Saturday.  On Sunday, about 200MB of packages disappeared with no 
replacements, and they're only coming back now as I write this.  This is 
not normal mirror activity.  I just wish someone would explain what is 
going on.




[Cooker] Expert install from isoliunx ?

2003-09-02 Thread Frank Griffin
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there any way to do an expert 
install from an isolinux boot ?  I can't seem to find anyplace to 
request it




Re: [Cooker] Whole Day Shot Trying HD Network Installation

2003-08-30 Thread Frank Griffin
Felix Miata wrote:

Eventually I got set up for NFS install, and that won't even get out of
text mode. Each time, right after entering server IP and directory it
just sits there, and on tty3, last line I see is 'preparing nfsmount for
[IP]:[dir]', and no evidence that SCSI ever loaded. Has SCSI support
been deleted from the boot floppies? I can't remember when the previous
versions asked for SCSI support confirmation.
The network installs (actually, all installs) support SCSI.  I recently 
did one to an aic79xx SCSI system, and that driver was only included 
during this cycle.  It should probe your system and put up popups saying 
which driver it's trying. 

It sounds like your NFS setup is somehow wrong; check the syslog of the 
system which owns the exported drive.

Is ftp or CD install the only way that works for rc1? I really don't
like burning CD's for betas, and I've never figured out how to select a
ftp or http source for installation. Where do I point the installer for
ftp or http?
 

The easiest way for all these installs, as explained to me previously 
here, is to boot the isolinux/alt0 image.  Then you can pick the install 
you want (HD, NFS, HTTP, etc.) and get prompted for the needed info.

Put the following entry in lilo.conf, where /data/cooker is the root 
of your cooker tree:

image=/data/cooker/i586/isolinux/alt0/vmlinuz
   label=isolinux
   root=/dev/ram3
   initrd=/data/cooker/i586/isolinux/alt0/all.rdz
   append=ramdisk_size=32000
   read-only
You don't need to have a cooker tree; you can just retrieve vmlinuz and 
all.rdz from i586/isolinux/alt0 at a cooker site, put them somewhere, 
and point lilo to them.  You need to rerun LILO each time these get 
refreshed or moved.




Re: [Cooker] Re: Main mirror BROKEN AGAIN!!!!!

2003-08-30 Thread Frank Griffin
David Walser wrote:

Did sunet ever fix their timestamps?  Last I checked (it wasn't recently) all of sunet's timestamps were off by an hour.
 

I don't know.  When I switched to it, it downloaded quite a bit, and 
that may be why.




Re: [Cooker] Main mirror BROKEN AGAIN!!!!!

2003-08-29 Thread Frank Griffin
Austin wrote:

Is uninett.no the only server with rsync ?
No, ftp.sunet.se uses it as well, and at the moment appears to be in 
much better shape than uninett.  My sync hasn't finished yet, so I don't 
know how good much better actually is...




Re: [Cooker] More mirror madness

2003-08-28 Thread Frank Griffin
Adam Williamson wrote:

I see about five people posting to the list moaning about the mirrors,
so I don't post to the list moaning about the mirrors. Why would I? 

I think the point is that what you *don't* see is a single post saying 
this is what's going on, and this is when we think it will be fixed.  
Or even this is what's going on (draw your own conclusions). 

So the rest of us sit here and repeatedly hit the servers every 
half-hour or so, hoping to scrape up the RPMs that bugzilla tells us 
have fixed the bugs we've reported or that are needed by the other half 
of the RPMs that actually made it through but have dependencies on those 
that didn't. 

The alternative is to wait for the next set of ISOs to be released, and 
figure that maybe any mirror which has them has actually stabilized.  In 
which case, why bother to try to maintain local cooker mirrors and test 
all the stuff that's already happened by the time an ISO is cut ?

Paul Dorman has a valid point.  I work in a development environment 
where development (and not IT management) is the priority.  But if I 
pulled something like this, they wouldn't find enough of me left to 
fire, and it wouldn't be management with blood dripping down its chin. 

I just wish I understood enough about the architecture behind the layer 
of the primary mirror to be able to offer constructive criticism.




Re: [Cooker] resigning some packages

2003-08-26 Thread Frank Griffin
Warly wrote:

Some mirroring traffic may be generated.
 

I guess that explains why about 400MB of RPMs disappeared in the last 
hour from uninett with no replacements !  :-)




[Cooker] Missing gmp, klips packages in contrib

2003-08-20 Thread Frank Griffin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] i586]# urpmi super-freeswan
installing /data/contrib/i586/super-freeswan-1.99_kb2c-1mdk.i586.rpm
Installation failed:
   gmp is needed by super-freeswan-1.99_kb2c-1mdk
   klips = 1.99_kb2c is needed by super-freeswan-1.99_kb2c-1mdk
   klips-alg = 1.99_kb2c is needed by super-freeswan-1.99_kb2c-1mdk
   klips-natt = 1.99_kb2c is needed by super-freeswan-1.99_kb2c-1mdk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] i586]#
There are no gmp* or klips* packages in either cooker or contrib...




Re: [Cooker] Missing gmp, klips packages in contrib

2003-08-20 Thread Frank Griffin
Luca Berra wrote:

the subject should have read: broken super-freeswan package in contrib.
super-freeswan isn't broken unless it doesn't really need those 
packages.  If it needs them and they aren't there, then the problem is 
that they aren't there.

Are there guidelines/rules for coding subject lines here ?  If so, 
where, please ?




Re: [Cooker] Software submission for the Mandrake distribution

2003-08-20 Thread Frank Griffin
Pierre Jarillon wrote:

I agree too.
But I have another reason : such a software on the same computer is a 
fantastic SECURITY HOLE !

It allows to write on protected files. I remember such a software for 
windows95 which allows to acces to ext2. Please don't spread this 
software ... and use reiserfs or better the new reiser4.

 

Sorry, but I disagree. 

Until it broke, I used a driver InstalledFileSystem on OS/2 to access 
ext2 partitions and exchange files.  I still use such an IFS to access 
FAT32 partitions from OS/2.  Back when OS/2 was my primary OS, this made 
Linux MUCH more usable for me (especially before the HPFS write support 
was stable).

Nobody in their right mind sets up a multi-boot machine if it is really 
going to be multi-user on more than one of the OS's *AND* if users are 
going to be able to reboot it.  Anybody who can reboot a multiboot 
machine is pretty much guaranteed to be the sysadmin for most (if not 
all) of the system images.  For this reason, I'm not too concerned about 
cross-filesystem access ignoring permissions.

I would echo the opinion of another poster that if the author has time 
to spare and the necessary expertise, it would be real nice to get the 
NTFS writable code working.  However, I would not disparage or denigrate 
the work that he has done so far.  For a Windows user looking to 
incorporate Linux, the ability to work initially in Windows using 
familiar tools will be perceived as a distinct advantage, even if he 
will have to rely heavily on dos2unix on the Linux side for text files.








[Cooker] Today's urpmi woes

2003-08-15 Thread Frank Griffin
Autoconf 2.13-18 isn't being recognized as 2.13:

The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
kdevelop-2.1.5-10mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied autoconf == 2.13)
libkdevelop2-2.1.5-10mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kdevelop == 
3:2.1.5-10mdk) (y/N)

but...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]$ cd /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] RPMS]$ ls autoconf*
autoconf-2.13-18mdk.noarch.rpm  autoconf2.5-2.57-5mdk.noarch.rpm
and

[EMAIL PROTECTED] man]# rpm -q -f /usr/bin/autoconf
autoconf-2.13-17mdk
Apparently I have -17 installed, but -18 isn't seen as satisfying 
KDevelop's requirement.




[Cooker] Old cooker packages not being deleted ?

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
This could be my imagination, but it seems like starting either this 
morning or last night, rsync --delete updates from ftp.uninett.no aren't 
deleting any files in my local tree.  Within 24 hours, my cooker RPMS 
directory (as reported by rsync) has gone from about 2.5 GB to 2.9GB, 
and I haven't been seeing any messages about older versions being 
deleted (and some of the updates involved most of KDE, which should have 
bumped a version number).

Am I dreaming or is something amiss ?




Re: [Cooker] Gnome splash takes a LONG time to disappear

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Robert Fox wrote:

Fresh Cooker install - tried Gnome and it works but the initial splash
screen stays up for a long time (like two minutes) then disappears. 
What causes this?
 

I've seen this as well.  It's OK the first time (after the firsttime 
wizard), but on subsequent logins it not only hangs around but covers 
anything else on the screen.

I had a similar problem with post-9.1 2.2 GNOME (circa May 18) where 
logging in and out of different userids would eventually cause a hang 
when you requested logout.  Well, not a true hang, but the logout 
dialog box would take about 5 minutes to come up.

In both cases, the blockage seems to break if you initiate enough 
other GNOME-related activity.  In the older logout case, opening a GNOME 
terminal would trigger it.  I haven't noticed a pattern in the new case.

It's like something is holding a lock and then decides to release it, or 
maybe a socket listener isn't listening closely enough...




[Cooker] Error in cooker tree links

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
When I updated cooker this morning, I noticed that two new links were 
created in cooker/i586/Mandrake: RPMS3 and RPMS4.

However, they were created as
../../contrib/jpackage.org/generic/RPMS/
and
../../contrib/jpackage.org/mandrake/RPMS/
whereas the RPMS2 link which points to contrib is created as
../../../contrib/i586//
Looks to me as though the new links should have an additional ../ 
prepended to them, and may need a i586/ added at the end.  Also, the 
double slash at the ends of the RPMS2 link looks like an error (even 
though it doesn't seem to cause problems).

The mirror involved was ftp.uninett.no.




[Cooker] rpmdrake vs. urpmi weirdness

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
I just tried to install the MandrakeClub Commercial FlashPlayer package 
on today's cooker with rpmdrake, and got the error:

FlashPlayer-6.0-3mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied 
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1

I then went to command line and tried:

urpmi --no-verify-rpm --allow-force FlashPlayer

and it installed cleanly without a single complaint.

I use --no-verify-rpm because of the current key incompatibilities in 
Cooker, and I know that urpmi has complained about unsatisfied 
conditions (see an earlier bug report today about printer-utils) even 
with this switch.

So is rpmdrake imagining unsatisfied dependencies or is urpmi ignoring 
them ?  Or am I just doing something dumb without realizing it ?




Re: [Cooker] How to dump current rpm db for install ?

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Ben Reser wrote:

Not really.  However you could do:
rpm -qa --qf '%{NAME}\n'  package.list
Then run urpmi for each package name after the install:
for package in `cat package.list`; do
urpmi $package
done
You'll have some that won't exist anymore (libraries for example with
changing major names).  But it ought to work for anything else.
Can't say I've done this myself...
 

I gave this a try importing rpm databases from various cooker systems 
to my current one, and it seems to work fine.  I did write some local 
code to compare the package.list to a reference one resulting from a 
vanilla install with all boxes checked and no individual packages 
selected, because invoking urpmi for all of the already-installed guys 
ate up considerable time, even on a fast machine.

Thanks !




Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake vs. urpmi weirdness

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Charles A Edwards wrote:

Had you not used --allow-force urpmi would have given you the same error
as did rpmdrake.
 

That's not what I would expect.  From the man page:

  --allow-force
 Allow urpmi to ask user to continue installation using no 
depen-
 dencies checking or forced installation due to error. By 
default
 urpmi exit immediately in such case.

Previously, I've had it display the errors and then prompt me as to 
whether I want to continue.




[Cooker] hd.img without floppy ?

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Just an idle, uninformed question, but is there any way to tell a 
Mandrake install boot (whether from CD or floppy with maybe old hd.img 
on it) to reboot-in-place using the hd.img from a local disk cooker 
mirror ?  The object being not to have to create new hd.img boot 
floppies all of the time...




Re: [Cooker] 9.2 MEDIAS - MEDIA

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Pierre Jarillon wrote:

IMHO, won't be fixed... for another reason:
In latin, media is a plural. But we don't speak latin anymore. 
This word is imported in several langages.
Then the word follows usual rules of its new langage.

 

Sorry, but media is considered plural in English as well, with the 
singular being medium.  Even if there are languages which have 
imported media as a singular, the complaint concerned only the English 
translation, and thus is valid (whether or not anyone intends to fix it).




Re: [Cooker] MDKKDM fails dependencies/ GDM mis-installed

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Frank Griffin wrote:

In this morning's cooker, MDKKDM fails install with the following error:

mdkkdm-9.1-28mdk.i586 due to missing 
kdebase-kdm-config-file-3.1.3-4mdk.i586

An expert install installs GDM without indicating that MDKKDM had an 
error, and on reboot the resulting GDM initializes with an error popup 
saying Session directory is missing.

The only indication of the MDKKDM error is if you open MCC and try to 
switch the DM to MDKKDM, at which point you're told that it isn't 
installed.  If you run rpmdrake to install it, you'll get the 
dependency error.



Looks like this was fixed in the time it took me to reboot and refresh 
cooker...




Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake vs. urpmi weirdness

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

Is it reproducable with another package? Here I can see no
problems..
 

I did a fresh install this morning, went to a root command line, added 
the Club Commercial site as a media, and did

  urpmi FlashPlayer

This got the same error that I reported for rpmdrake.  When I added 
--allow-force, it worked as before.  So, the problem appears to be in 
the FlashPlayer RPM, which wouldn't be so annoying if swfdec actually 
worked on most of the swf's out there :-)




Re: [Cooker] 9.2 MEDIAS - MEDIA

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Robert L martin wrote:

And to bring it to point since RED HAT wouldn't dare attempt to sell a 
distro with some french word misspelled
i think Mandrake should extend the same curtesy. 
I'm sure you've got a point here, but I obviously missed whatever it 
referred to...

(and as requested in 4/4 time no accents and all ows same (sort of 
slur into the N on browN) 
Well, no, actually, they seem to pronounce most *ow* words as *aye*, 
as in hye nye bryene cye (with the ye pronounced as the English word 
high).

Just a kind of inside joke; I host Northern Irish kids for several weeks 
in the summer (they just left), and I was feeling nostalgic...





Re: [Cooker] Flash plugin

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Adam Williamson wrote:

You can't do that without nuking most of your installation, as it
uninstalls the other version of libstdc++, which tons of packages depend
on.
 

Actually, I was able to do it on current cooker, but not my stable 
cooker from May 18.  On current cooker, you can force it on, and 
libstdc++5 doesn't get uninstalled.  On the older cooker it did (and 
everything broke).  Reinstalling libstdc++5 again left libstdc++2 in 
place, fixed the problems, and left a working Flash plugin.

Someday I may actually understand this stuff.




[Cooker] Packaging errors as of today

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
The following occur in today's cooker:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm squid
Some package requested cannot be installed:
squid-2.5.STABLE3-2mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied perl(Authen::Smb)) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm mon
Some package requested cannot be installed:
mon-0.99.2-3mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied perl(Filesys::DiskSpace)) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm SnortSnarf
Some package requested cannot be installed:
SnortSnarf-020516.1-2mdk.noarch (due to unsatisfied perl(BasicSorters)) 
(Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm naat-backend
Some package requested cannot be installed:
naat-backend-0.8-30mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied perl(rpmtools)) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm gnome-db
Some package requested cannot be installed:
gnome-db-0.2.96-8mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied perl-base[== 2:5.8.0]) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm latex2html
Some package requested cannot be installed:
latex2html-2002-4mdk.noarch (due to unsatisfied perl(Win32)) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm MySQL-Max
The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
MySQL-4.0.14-1mdk.i586 (due to conflicts with MySQL-Max[ 4.0.11]) (y/N)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm perl-Magick
Some package requested cannot be installed:
perl-Magick-5.5.7.10-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied perl-base[= 5.801]) 
(Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm libkdeutils1
Some package requested cannot be installed:
libkdeutils1-3.1.3-6mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kdeutils[*][== 
3.1.3-6mdk]) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm libkdegraphics0
Some package requested cannot be installed:
libkdegraphics0-3.1.3-8mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kdegraphics[*][== 
1:3.1.3-8mdk]) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]#






Re: [Cooker] 9.2 MEDIAS - MEDIA

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Adam Williamson wrote:

If you were really trying to Anglify it you'd say
mediums
But that's already taken. 

Medium has several meanings in English.  One is that of an underlying 
transport for information, in which case the plural is media.  That's 
the one we're talking about here.

Medium can also mean a person with psychic abilities who serves as an 
underlying  transport between dead and living people.  In that case, the 
plural is mediums.  The difference here presumably comes from the 
latin medium/media being a neuter-gender noun (i.e. dealing with 
inanimate objects), and this usage actually dealing with people.  In the 
case of the last paragraph, the medium is an object.  In the case of 
this paragraph, it's a person, and since the latin term didn't refer to 
a person, the later English rules for pluralization were used for the 
new usage.

And then again, it can be an adjective, as in I'll have a medium 
(-sized) coffee.

Now, if some kind Northern Irish person would care to discourse on the 
pronunciation of How now, brown cow, we can put this thread to bed...





Re: [Cooker] hd.img without floppy ?

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:

Could all of that be put into a tarball with every update, or maybe in a rpm?

It is easier and faster to just do everything on the harddisk, in stead
of writing floppies or even burning cd's. And in the case of floppies, a
had disk install can be from a bigger initrd disk than what can be on a
floppy.
 

Pixel had an even better solution, which is to use isolinux/alt0 all.rdz 
and vmlinuz.  Just take the LILO example from the Wiki page for using 
hd.img, substitute all.rdz for hd.rdz and vmlinuz for vmlinuz-hdimg 
(using their actual locations in your cooker tree), and append a 
/sbin/lilo to your cooker update script (in case the update changes one 
of these files).

Booting this gives you a panel from which you can choose HD install.




Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake vs. urpmi weirdness

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

So, the problem
appears to be in the FlashPlayer RPM,
   

Maybe you could report that to the author of the RPM then?
Thanks!
 

Happy to, but the maximum info display in rpmdrake Changelog just lists

* Thu Dec 12 2002 Mandrake Linux Team http://www.mandrakeexpert.com 
6.0-3mdk

as the maintainer.  Can you tell me to whom to send this request ?




Re: [Cooker] Old cooker packages not being deleted ?

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Rolf Pedersen wrote:

I thought rsync was stating this was due to RPMS3 and RPMS4 on the 
mirrors: 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=106027621928253w=2 
also reported here: 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=106033173610904w=2 
and here: 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=106018467231079w=2

I saw the comments, but I guess it didn't register.  I'm not seeing any 
messages from rsync though about I/O errors or skipping deleting.  My 
only difference from your case is that I'm using -avl (not -avL) and 
ftp.uninett.no.




Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake vs. urpmi weirdness

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Griffin
Frank Griffin wrote:

I'll try it on a fresh cooker install.  The one I did it on was up to 
date for today, but the install was from a few days ago and I had been 
keeping it current with urpmi.
Well. I will as soon as the install gets fixed so that X (and therefore 
rpmdrake) can be run




Re: [Cooker] Packaging errors as of today

2003-08-12 Thread Frank Griffin
One more...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi --no-verify-rpm super-freeswan
Some package requested cannot be installed:
super-freeswan-1.99_kb2c-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied klips-alg[= 
1.99_kb2c]) (Y/n)
Everything already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]# urpmi klips-alg
no package named klips-alg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftg]#





Re: [Cooker] Old cooker packages not being deleted ?

2003-08-11 Thread Frank Griffin
Rolf Pedersen wrote:

Well, I added --exclude= options for RPMS3 and RPMS4 and my command 
(which had worked for two years) seems to be working again.
Maybe whoever added these links could just fix them ?  I mean, it's only 
been about four days since I first reported this (and others verified it).




Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake vs. urpmi weirdness

2003-08-10 Thread Frank Griffin
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

Is it reproducable with another package? Here I can see no
problems..
 

I'll try it on a fresh cooker install.  The one I did it on was up to 
date for today, but the install was from a few days ago and I had been 
keeping it current with urpmi.




Re: [Cooker] hdlist.cz asnd synthesis

2003-08-10 Thread Frank Griffin
Charles A Edwards wrote:

Neither the hdlist or the synthesis has been updated on any of the
mirrors since 2003.08.09.
6:00 PM for Main somewhat latter for the other mirrors.
 

I was going to reply that I saw one today, but upon investigating it 
seems that a synthesis.hdlist.cz appeared today in RPMS rather than base ??




Re: [Cooker] hd.img without floppy ?

2003-08-09 Thread Frank Griffin
Thanks everyone, the loopback solution on the Wiki page seems like just 
the thing I was looking for.




[Cooker] How to dump current rpm db for install ?

2003-08-08 Thread Frank Griffin
The current install gives you a way to save your package selections to a 
floppy which can then be used in later installs to avoid having to 
manually re-select everything.

Is there any way to generate such a floppy from a running system ?  In 
other words, once I get a particular cooker stocked with various 
packages added over time (many post-install), can I create a floppy that 
can be fed to another install which will select all of the packages in 
the first system, whether they were selected during installation or 
after installation ?




[Cooker] MDKKDM fails dependencies/ GDM mis-installed

2003-08-08 Thread Frank Griffin
In this morning's cooker, MDKKDM fails install with the following error:

mdkkdm-9.1-28mdk.i586 due to missing kdebase-kdm-config-file-3.1.3-4mdk.i586

An expert install installs GDM without indicating that MDKKDM had an 
error, and on reboot the resulting GDM initializes with an error popup 
saying Session directory is missing.

The only indication of the MDKKDM error is if you open MCC and try to 
switch the DM to MDKKDM, at which point you're told that it isn't 
installed.  If you run rpmdrake to install it, you'll get the dependency 
error.




[Cooker] User Management suggestion/question

2003-08-07 Thread Frank Griffin
I try to keep all user data on non-release-sensitive partitions (e.g. 
/data/user/xxx) and then have scripts to create links within /home/user 
to the real files.  The idea is that I can create new systems or cooker 
systems at will, run the scripts, mount the partitions (or copies 
thereof), and test.

Something I find frustrating from release to release is the creation of 
userids.  If I do a true install, there doesn't seem to be any way to 
point MDK to another system partition and say go copy the usernames, 
UIDs, groupnames, and GIDs from here in order to seed the new 
system's directory.  Moreover, even if I re-enter the IDs in the same 
order, the UIDs change slightly from release to release.

This happens because several of the user management GUI tools 
automatically assign the UID or GID and do not allow overrides.  Thus, 
if any 500 automatically cretaed UIDs change from release to release, 
you can't easily force IDs you define to have the same UIDs they had in 
the previous system, e.g. the addition of admin in 9.1 (and its 
removal now in Cooker).

Is there a sensible way to import user/group data from an existing 
install ?  If not, should there be ?  If there can't be, can we at least 
establish a UID and GID range that belongs to the sysadmin and doesn't 
get messed with ?




[Cooker] Something today broke install printer/X

2003-08-07 Thread Frank Griffin
Something moved to cooker today has seriously broken the install 
process.  I've been updating continuously throughout the day, and in the 
morning (US/EST - GMT-5:00) installs were fine.  After about 3:00PM, 
printer configuration during install wouldn't recognize any printers, 
and the X configuration during install failed because it couldn't find 
the X modules.

All of this was noticed through hd.img installs done throughout the day 
with continually updated hd.img boot diskettes.  The failed installs 
were both expert and non-expert (all of the installs I've done over the 
past few days were expert, so I tried both).




[Cooker] Today breakage w/splash and shutdown

2003-08-07 Thread Frank Griffin
Sometime during today a cooker update caused the following behavior change:

1) vga=788 no longer has a splashscreen and boots in character mode.  It 
had a valid splash this morning.

2) selecting reboot in a GNOME logout actually reboots rather than 
going back to the DM (yay !!)

3) for some reason, (2) switches you to vc 1 (as it should), but all of 
the shutdown messages are coming out in text mode on vc 7 (where DM was)

This is using MDKKDM and GNOME.




Re: [Cooker] New Bootsplash

2003-08-06 Thread Frank Griffin
Warly wrote:

Yes, I think that I will likely add one static image for the very
first part of the boot with some message in the image such as
Booting, please wait and switch to the translated version whenever
the / is available.
 

I'd also vote for retaining the progress bar even after F2 is pressed.  
Also, the verbose display reacts to keystrokes by producing garbage 
(e.g. ]]A]]B) in the display even though (one hopes) the keystrokes will 
never take effect.




Re: [Cooker] urpmi --auto-select - how to get around it?

2003-08-06 Thread Frank Griffin
Kim Schulz wrote:

[snip]
 

Use --keep
   

not an option for my version of urpmi. and when I try to upgrade urpmi,
then I get alot of other deps (especially alot of kde and mozilla
stuff).
 

I had similar problems on another thread, and the suggestion was to use
--allow-nodeps --allow-force
I had to respond to some scary prompts, but urpmi urpmi eventually 
installed the latest urpmi.

BTW, I'm happy to see that as of yesterday an hd.img install with all 
categories but games checked completes correctly with only 3 (I think) 
package install errors.  So I can revert to testing installed systems 
and have less dependence on incrementally upgraded systems.




[Cooker] Bugzilla New Bug error today

2003-08-05 Thread Frank Griffin
This morning, I bring up Bugzilla's main page, log in, select Enter New 
Bug, and get an Internal Server Error.  Got the same bug trying to get 
to New Bug from other pages as well.  Error occurred at about 09:17 AM 
EST (GMT - 5:00).




[Cooker] New Bootsplash

2003-08-05 Thread Frank Griffin
I like the look of the new bootsplash, but there's a slight glitch. 

If you use a SCSI disk driver which takes a while to initialize (both 
aic7xxx and aic79xx fall into this category, taking 15-30 seconds), 
you're left looking at a blank bootsplash with what looks like an empty 
textfield at the bottom right of the screen.

At the least, there ought to be a loading driver xx, please wait 
message somewhere so that the user doesn't think the boot is hung.

With the old one, at least you had the Mandrake logo and the textarea.  
The new one just looks incompletely drawn, contributing to the 
appearance of a hang.  Of course, the proposed message would have been 
an improvement to the old one too.




Re: [Cooker] urpmi --auto-select - how to get around it?

2003-08-05 Thread Frank Griffin
Kim Schulz wrote:

just tried this and it wanted to install around 300 rpm's but ended up
with this:
Installation failed:
arts = 3001:1.1.3-1mdk is needed by libarts-devel-1.1.3-1mdk
arts = 3001:1.1.3-1mdk is needed by libarts-1.1.3-1mdk
libxml2.so is needed by (installed) libcroco0-devel-0.1.0-2mdk
kdelibs = 3000:3.1.2-20mdk is needed by (installed)
kdelibs-devel-3.1.2-20mdk
libstdc++.so is needed by (installed) octave-2.1.50-1mdk
kdegraphics = 1:3.1.2-6mdk is needed by (installed)
kdegraphics-devel-3.1.2-6mdk
libgcc_s.so is needed by (installed) octave-2.1.50-1mdk
libreadline.so.4.2 is needed by (installed) ghc-5.00.2-2mdk
libm.so is needed by (installed) libcroco0-devel-0.1.0-2mdk
libm.so is needed by (installed) libgtop1-devel-1.0.13-5mdk
libm.so is needed by (installed) octave-2.1.50-1mdk
libglib-1.2.so is needed by (installed) libgtop1-devel-1.0.13-5mdk
libz.so is needed by (installed) libcroco0-devel-0.1.0-2mdk
perl-base = 5.8.0 is needed by (installed) gnome-db-0.2.96-6mdk
perl-base = 2:5.8.0 is needed by (installed) gaim-0.64-3mdk
perl-base = 2:5.8.0 is needed by (installed) gaim-0.64-3mdk
Try installation without checking dependencies? (y/N)
what now 

 

I'm not sure what you're upgrading from.  I did it from base 9.1, and 
I'd say that it involved at least 300 packages.  And, like I said, you 
get some scary prompts.  I don't recall the components you list being in 
them, but the feeling I got from the list was that the packages were OK, 
it was just the dependencies that were incorrect.  So I just answered 
YES to everything.




[Cooker] MakeCD broken again

2003-08-04 Thread Frank Griffin
As of last night's cooker,
 
  cd /data/cooker/i586/misc
  ./MakeCD -t /data -a /data/cooker/i586 ~/tmp/MakeCDOut 2~/tmp/MakeCDErr

gives

  ..//Mandrake/mdkinst/usr/bin/perl: error while loading shared 
libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
directory

It also happens after refreshing this morning...




Re: [Cooker] dm - prefer kdm or gdm

2003-08-02 Thread Frank Griffin
Gary L. Greene wrote:

The problem is Frédéric, is that when use the shut down option in 
GNOME when
I have GDM as the login manager, it won't shut the system down, whereas
when I used GNOME with KDM, it would. What it does now is it only 
drops me
back at GDM, then I have to select the shutdown from the system options.
According to fcrozat, this is supposed to be fixed.  See bug 3584.




Re: [Cooker] dm - prefer kdm or gdm

2003-08-02 Thread Frank Griffin
Frederic Crozat wrote:

Yes, I saw that yesterday on my test system (it is not related to gdm)..
I'll investigate monday.
You can fill a bug against gnome-session so I won't forget about it..

 

Actually, I've seen this happen with mdkkdm as well lately.  I was 
waiting to get a stable cooker (with an installable KDE :-) ) to report 
it, though.  The symptom is the same: you choose either shutdown or 
reboot from GNOME, and mdkkdm comes back up with the login prompt.

I pointed out bug 3584 because the visual symptom is the same if you 
don't actually CTRL-ALT-F1 to the console screen and notice that 
shutdown is in progress, and a shutdown usually takes longer than it 
take people (me, anyway) to decide that my shutdown request didn't work 
and redo it from mdkkdm or gdm.






Re: [Cooker] troubles with cooker mirror

2003-07-30 Thread Frank Griffin
parag shah wrote:

Since early morning 30th july i am unable to successully update cooker 
urpmi source i.e, sunsite.uio.no. 

I'm using that site with no problem, but I'm using the alias recommended 
by the Welcome message, i.e. ftp.uninett.no.






Re: [Cooker] problems with main mirror - ftp.uninett.no

2003-07-30 Thread Frank Griffin
Robert Fox wrote:

Just recently when I Rsync with this mirror - it's deleting files
locally but not downloading new ones - is there something wrong with the
sync?
 

That happens to me occasionally, but I've always assumed that I just 
caught it in the middle of an rsync update from Mandrake, since the 
deletes appear to happen first.




Re: [Cooker] Building Cooker

2003-07-18 Thread Frank Griffin
Per Lindström wrote:

Try to run urpmi.update to update the package lists for specified 
medias. urpmi.update -a updates package lists for all medias except 
those on removable devices.
I tried a urpmi.update -a.  Either that or intervening updates to cooker 
did make a change in what I saw (both urpmi urpmi and urpmi 
--auto-select now get to the install phase), but the upgrades still fail.

Here are the errors for urpmi urpmi:
Installation failed:
   librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-13mdk
   librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-13mdk
   librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-13mdk
...and here are the errors for urpmi --auto-select
Installation failed:
   perl(Bit::Vector) is needed by perl-Date-Calc-5.3-2mdk
   perl(Authen::Smb::Smb) is needed by squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk
   librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-13mdk
   librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-13mdk
   librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-13mdk
   xemacs == 21.4.12 is needed by xemacs-tramp-20020411-7mdk
   libMrm.so.2 is needed by lesstif-clients-0.93.41-3mdk
   devel(libnoatunarts) is needed by kdemultimedia-devel-3.1.2-10mdk
   perl-BSD-Resource is needed by mod_perl-common-1.3.27_1.27-9mdk
   perl(BSD::Resource) is needed by mod_perl-common-1.3.27_1.27-9mdk
   libcap.so.1 is needed by zsh-4.1.1-2mdk
   libAiksaurus.so.0 is needed by lyx-1.3.2-2mdk
   perl(LWP::Parallel::UserAgent) is needed by squidGuard-1.2.0-6mdk




Re: [Cooker] Building Cooker

2003-07-18 Thread Frank Griffin
Buchan Milne wrote:

(snip)

Thanks very much for taking the time to write this.  You have 
drastically improved my urpmi expertise (not particularly difficult, 
considering my level, but thanks anyway !).




[Cooker] Building Cooker

2003-07-17 Thread Frank Griffin
Yeah, sorry, it's me again.

I've waited awhile through a large flood of cooker updates, and I am 
still unable to install a cooker system.

The ISOs produced by mkcd still loop in available packages, but I 
gather from the TODO page that Warly knows about that.

If I install 9.1, define my local cooker directory images as a urpmi 
source, and try urpmi --auto-select, I get errors I will include below 
(they're long and I wouldn't want you to lose interest).

Someone had suggested previously that urpmi itself needed to be updated, 
so I tried urpmi urpmi.  That also got errors I'll include below.

I had no problems at all through the 9.0 and 9.1 alpha/beta cycles, 
until mkcd broke sometime after June 3.  I've already tried completely 
re-downloading my cooker directories, and it hasn't helped.

Could those of you who are managing to build cooker please share your 
secrets ?  I'd like to be able to test again

Output from urpmi urpmi:
*
The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
mkcd-3.4.7-1mdk (due to missing perl-RPM)
perl-RPM-0.40-4mdk (due to missing librpmio-4.0.4.so, due to missing 
librpmdb-4.0.4.so, due to missing librpm-4.0.4.so)
do you agree ? (Y/n)

To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be 
installed (108 MB):
drakconf-9.2-0.5mdk.i586
drakxtools-9.2-0.12mdk.i586
drakxtools-http-9.2-0.12mdk.i586
drakxtools-newt-9.2-0.12mdk.i586
elfutils-0.80-1mdk.i586
ethereal-0.9.13-1mdk.i586
glibc-2.3.2-5mdk.i586
glibc-devel-2.3.2-5mdk.i586
glibc-static-devel-2.3.2-5mdk.i586
gnorpm-0.96-13mdk.i586
gurpmi-4.4-8mdk.noarch
harddrake-9.2-0.12mdk.i586
harddrake-ui-9.2-0.12mdk.i586
libbzip2_1-devel-1.0.2-16mdk.i586
libelfutils1-0.80-1mdk.i586
libelfutils1-devel-0.80-1mdk.i586
libnet-snmp50-5.0.8-5mdk.i586
libuser1-0.51.7-2mdk.i586
locales-2.3.2-3mdk.i586
locales-en-2.3.2-3mdk.i586
locales-pt-2.3.2-3mdk.i586
net-snmp-mibs-5.0.8-5mdk.i586
net-snmp-utils-5.0.8-5mdk.i586
perl-5.8.0-27mdk.i586
perl-Authen-PAM-0.14-2mdk.i586
perl-GTK-0.7008-30mdk.i586
perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.04.07.1-2mdk.i586
perl-HTML-Parser-3.28-3mdk.i586
perl-Locale-gettext-1.01-8mdk.i586
perl-MDK-Common-1.1.4-2mdk.i586
perl-Net_SSLeay-1.22-2mdk.i586
perl-URI-1.23-3mdk.noarch
perl-URPM-0.91-11mdk.i586
perl-XML-Writer-0.4-7mdk.noarch
perl-base-5.8.0-27mdk.i586
perl-devel-5.8.0-27mdk.i586
perl-doc-5.8.0-27mdk.i586
perl-libwww-perl-5.69-2mdk.noarch
popt-1.8-12mdk.i586
popt-devel-1.8-12mdk.i586
rpm-4.2-12mdk.i586
rpm-build-4.2-12mdk.i586
rpm-devel-4.2-12mdk.i586
rpm-python-4.2-12mdk.i586
rpmdrake-2.1-24mdk.i586
rpmstats-0.4-1mdk.i586
rpmtools-4.5-11mdk.i586
tcp_wrappers-7.6-22mdk.i586
urpmi-4.4-8mdk.noarch
userdrake-0.92-9mdk.i586
Is this OK? (Y/n)

Installation failed, some files are missing:
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-devel-5.8.0-27mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-http-9.2-0.12mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libelfutils1-0.80-1mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/elfutils-0.80-1mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libuser1-0.51.7-2mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libnet-snmp50-5.0.8-5mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-URPM-0.91-11mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-base-5.8.0-27mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-doc-5.8.0-27mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libelfutils1-devel-0.80-1mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/userdrake-0.92-9mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-9.2-0.12mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-5.8.0-27mdk.i586.rpm
   
/data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.04.07.1-2mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-newt-9.2-0.12mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/gurpmi-4.4-8mdk.noarch.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/drakconf-9.2-0.5mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/urpmi-4.4-8mdk.noarch.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/rpmdrake-2.1-24mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/net-snmp-mibs-5.0.8-5mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-ui-9.2-0.12mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-9.2-0.12mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/net-snmp-utils-5.0.8-5mdk.i586.rpm
You may want to update your urpmi database


Output from urpmi --auto-select:
***
The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
MySQL-Max-4.0.11a-5mdk (due to conflicts with MySQL[ 4.0.11])
fax4CUPS-hylafax-1.22-2mdk (due to missing hylafax)
hylafax-4.1.5-1mdk (due to conflicts with mgetty-sendfax)
mad-0.14.2b-4mdk (due to missing libid3tag.so.0, due to unsatisfied 
libmad0 == 0.14.2b)
mod_ssl-2.8.12-8mdk (due to unsatisfied mm == 1.2.2)
mod_sxnet-1.2.4-22mdk (due to unsatisfied mod_ssl *)
perl-RPM-0.40-4mdk (due to 

[Cooker] gendistrib without SRPMS ?

2003-07-10 Thread Frank Griffin
In trying to upgrade 9.1 to Cooker from a local file mirror, I was 
running gendistrib and getting the message unable to find a valid root 
directory which contains SRPMS.  I didn't realize that this was 
actually causing gendistrib to abort before updating the lists.

My local cooker mirror only contains the i586 directory, since I didn't 
think I needed source RPMs for anything.

Is there a way to run gendistrib without SRPMS ?  Is it correct that 
gendistrib run against --distrib /xxx/cooker/i586 should be requiring 
SRPMS ?




[Cooker] MakeCD has taken a step backwards

2003-07-10 Thread Frank Griffin
We're back to this again:

URPM object version 0.91 does not match bootstrap parameter 0.90 at 
..//Mandrake/mdkinst/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0//i386-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm 
line 249.
Compilation failed in require at 
..//misc/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/Mkcd/Tools.pm line 12.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
..//misc/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/Mkcd/Tools.pm line 12.
Compilation failed in require at ..//misc/mkcd line 11.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ..//misc/mkcd line 11.





Re: [Cooker] urpmi woes

2003-07-10 Thread Frank Griffin
François Pons wrote:

If you mirror directly packages on your machine, you may want to use --virtual
of newer urpmi in order to avoid using urpmi.update, because the medium will
*always* be up-to-date, but it works only for local medium (ie file://
protocol).
 

The 9.1 urpmi doesn't support --virtual, and it doesn't even show up in 
the May 18 cooker (which was the last one I was able to build).

As of today's cooker updates, things have changed.  Both urpmi urpmi 
and urpmi --auto-select still fail, but now they get to the stage of 
actually printing out all of the things that are going to be installed, 
and then find things that are missing.

So, I'm assuming that this wasn't something wrong with my setup, and 
that after the current torrent of cooker updates dies down, I'll be able 
to try again with better luck.




Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-09 Thread Frank Griffin
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

There are two categories of bugs:

1- bugs on install, or hardware support. We are burried under
  such bugs, with the following problems:
- many duplicates
- many poorly qualified bugs (and reporting accurate
  hardware information is non trivial)
- the install changes much during beta stabilization
- we have little resource to investigate hardware problems
  hence, many of them stay open forever.
 

Maybe I don't understand the categories correctly, but I have submitted 
many install bugs with reproducible cases which seem to stay UNCONFIRMED 
forever.  I'm assuming that UNCONFIRMED means that nobody has had time 
to try the reproducible case, and that if they had, the bug would have 
changed status to either ASSIGNED, WORKSFORME, or NEEDSINFO.

So not all install bugs which stay open forever do so because they are 
poor bug reports.  The indication is that many of them simply don't get 
looked at because of resource issues.




[Cooker] urpmi woes

2003-07-09 Thread Frank Griffin
Following advice from the ML to install 9.1 and use urpmi --auto-select 
to upgrade packages to cooker level using a urpmi source of the local 
cooker directory image, I have been getting the same results for about a 
week, except the the list of packages in the final Installation failed 
message just seems to keep increasing.

I had also seen a post which intimated that you needed to urpmi urpmi 
before trying to upgrade everything else.  That failed too.

Here's the output from urpmi urpmi:

***
The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
mkcd-3.4.7-1mdk (due to missing perl-RPM)
perl-RPM-0.40-4mdk (due to missing librpmio-4.0.4.so, due to missing 
librpmdb-4.0.4.so, due to missing librpm-4.0.4.so)
do you agree ? (Y/n) To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are 
going to be installed (101 MB):
drakconf-9.2-0.3mdk.i586
drakxtools-9.2-0.8mdk.i586
drakxtools-http-9.2-0.8mdk.i586
drakxtools-newt-9.2-0.8mdk.i586
elfutils-0.79-1mdk.i586
ethereal-0.9.13-1mdk.i586
gnorpm-0.96-13mdk.i586
gurpmi-4.4-8mdk.noarch
harddrake-9.2-0.8mdk.i586
harddrake-ui-9.2-0.8mdk.i586
libelfutils1-0.79-1mdk.i586
libnet-snmp50-5.0.8-5mdk.i586
net-snmp-mibs-5.0.8-5mdk.i586
net-snmp-utils-5.0.8-5mdk.i586
perl-5.8.0-25mdk.i586
perl-Authen-PAM-0.14-2mdk.i586
perl-GTK-0.7008-30mdk.i586
perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.04.07.1-2mdk.i586
perl-HTML-Parser-3.28-3mdk.i586
perl-Locale-gettext-1.01-8mdk.i586
perl-MDK-Common-1.1.4-2mdk.i586
perl-Net_SSLeay-1.22-2mdk.i586
perl-URI-1.23-3mdk.noarch
perl-URPM-0.91-7mdk.i586
perl-XML-Writer-0.4-7mdk.noarch
perl-base-5.8.0-25mdk.i586
perl-devel-5.8.0-25mdk.i586
perl-doc-5.8.0-25mdk.i586
perl-libwww-perl-5.69-2mdk.noarch
popt-1.8-8mdk.i586
popt-devel-1.8-8mdk.i586
rpm-4.2-8mdk.i586
rpm-build-4.2-8mdk.i586
rpm-devel-4.2-8mdk.i586
rpm-python-4.2-8mdk.i586
rpmdrake-2.1-24mdk.i586
rpmstats-0.4-1mdk.i586
rpmtools-4.5-11mdk.i586
tcp_wrappers-7.6-22mdk.i586
urpmi-4.4-8mdk.noarch
Is this OK? (Y/n) Installation failed, some files are missing:
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-doc-5.8.0-25mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-devel-5.8.0-25mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-ui-9.2-0.8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/rpm-devel-4.2-8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-URPM-0.91-7mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-newt-9.2-0.8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-http-9.2-0.8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/rpm-python-4.2-8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-5.8.0-25mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/elfutils-0.79-1mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/libelfutils1-0.79-1mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/popt-devel-1.8-8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-9.2-0.8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/rpm-build-4.2-8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/perl-base-5.8.0-25mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-9.2-0.8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/rpm-4.2-8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/popt-1.8-8mdk.i586.rpm
   /data/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/drakconf-9.2-0.3mdk.i586.rpm
You may want to update your urpmi database
*

Here's the output from urpmi --auto-select:

**
The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
MySQL-Max-4.0.11a-5mdk (due to conflicts with MySQL[ 4.0.11])
fax4CUPS-hylafax-1.22-2mdk (due to missing hylafax)
hylafax-4.1.5-1mdk (due to conflicts with mgetty-sendfax)
mad-0.14.2b-4mdk (due to missing libid3tag.so.0, due to unsatisfied 
libmad0 == 0.14.2b)
mod_ssl-2.8.12-8mdk (due to unsatisfied mm == 1.2.2)
mod_sxnet-1.2.4-22mdk (due to unsatisfied mm == 1.2.2, due to 
unsatisfied mod_ssl *)
perl-RPM-0.40-4mdk (due to missing librpmdb-4.0.4.so, due to missing 
librpm-4.0.4.so, due to missing librpmio-4.0.4.so)
smalltalk-1.95.12-2mdk (due to missing libtk8.3.so)
xemacs-extras-21.4.12-1mdk (due to conflicts with xemacs-extras)
do you agree ? (Y/n) To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are 
going to be installed (2612 MB):
ADVX-build-9.2-1mdk.noarch
BitchX-1.0-0.c19.7mdk.i586
Borges-0.9.0-2mdk.noarch
Borges-DocBook-0.9.0-2mdk.noarch
Borges-doc-0.9.0-2mdk.noarch
Eterm-0.9.2-3mdk.i586
FaxMail-2.3-9mdk.i586
GConf-1.0.9-7mdk.i586
GConf2-2.3.3-1mdk.i586
Guppi-0.40.3-6mdk.i586
ImageMagick-5.5.4.4-8mdk.i586
Mesa-5.0.1-4mdk.i586
Mesa-demos-5.0.1-4mdk.i586
MySQL-4.0.13-2mdk.i586
MySQL-client-4.0.13-2mdk.i586
MySQL-common-4.0.13-2mdk.i586
ORBit-0.5.17-4mdk.i586
ORBit2-2.7.2-2mdk.i586
OpenOffice.org-1.0.3-2mdk.i586
OpenOffice.org-help-en-1.0.3-2mdk.i586
OpenOffice.org-l10n-en-1.0.3-2mdk.i586
OpenOffice.org-libs-1.0.3-2mdk.i586
OpenSP-1.5-4mdk.i586
SysVinit-2.85-1mdk.i586
X11R6-contrib-4.3-10mdk.i586
XFree86-4.3-10mdk.i586

Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-08 Thread Frank Griffin
Buchan Milne wrote:

Aren't people
supposed to be searching Bugzilla first ?
   

The bugzilla mails to the list are not mainly for people who would
otherwise post bugs, it is mainly for people who can help fix bugs. It
allows distributed bug resolution. Before the bugzilla list, bugzilla
traffic was much lower.
Sorry if I'm being dense (I'm pretty new to the undocumented Cooker 
social protocols and I'm not about to try searching the ML for 
bugzilla), but if someone is interested in working on bugs in one or 
several product areas, wouldn't it just be simpler to run a Bugzilla 
query every day/week/month/whatever for all bugs in those areas since 
the last time you queried ?  That would avoid wading through all of the 
bug reports for those areas that don't interest you.

Of course, every time I try to run complex bugzilla searches, I get 500 
Internal Server Errors

If they run into something,
searching Bugzilla seems a lot more straightforward than hoping that you
remember some mail that flew by a month or so ago.
   

For me, it is much quicker to search through my 3-6-month archive of the
bugzilla mails, than to even get to the bugzilla search page.
Again, I ask from ignorance, but would it be possible to register with 
Bugzilla for a product category (rather than a specific bug) so that you 
would get mails for any activity in that product category ?

Also, one of the problems with Bugzilla is that certain categories (like
Installation) bypass sending mail to anybody at Mandrake *except* the
Cooker ML.
   

File a bug on Bugzilla (not bugzilla ... IIRC).

I'll be happy to, but since it was only the Installation category where 
I noticed this (you get told that mail will *not* be sent to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]), I sort of figured it was intentional :-)

Thanks,
Frank




Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-08 Thread Frank Griffin
Ben Reser wrote:

Back when Bugzilla was put in place I suggested that bugs only be sent
to the list for the first bug report (so people see the reports) and
then the rest would happen off the list.  If you cared about a bug you
subscribed to it.  If you didn't then you wouldn't see it after the
first entry.  We really aren't taking full advantage of the power of
Bugzilla... Why shove every bug report and comment down everyone's email
pipe?  It's entirely wasteful of our time to delete stuff we just don't
care about.
I agree, but I'd question even sending the first report.  Aren't people 
supposed to be searching Bugzilla first ?  If they run into something, 
searching Bugzilla seems a lot more straightforward than hoping that you 
remember some mail that flew by a month or so ago.

Also, one of the problems with Bugzilla is that certain categories (like 
Installation) bypass sending mail to anybody at Mandrake *except* the 
Cooker ML.





Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-08 Thread Frank Griffin
Buchan Milne wrote:

I agree, but I'd question even sending the first report.
   

Well, if it were a seperate list, you wouldn't have to question it.

I should have pointed out that if the Bugzilla stuff went to a separate 
list, then my query about other ways to do this through Bugzilla would 
be moot...





Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-08 Thread Frank Griffin
Levi Ramsey wrote:

On Tue Jul 08 17:26 -0400, Frank Griffin wrote:
 

I agree, but I'd question even sending the first report.  Aren't people 
supposed to be searching Bugzilla first ?  If they run into something, 
searching Bugzilla seems a lot more straightforward than hoping that you 
remember some mail that flew by a month or so ago.
   

I think the logic wasn't to prevent duplicate bug reports but to help
get more testing of specific bugs (and votes for bugs).
 

Umm, Ok, here's another obvious newbie question.  Is there a link that 
describes the voting process for Cooker (Bugzilla) bugs.  I've just been 
submitting bug reports in the (probably naive) belief that they would be 
routed to the category owners and acted upon according to whatever 
priority scheme is dictated by Mandrake's internal business practices.  
However, comments on those bugs have hinted at some sort of voting 
practice.  As far as I knew, the only voting was on Club packages.  How 
do you vote for bugs (and what is the protocol of doing so) ?




Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-08 Thread Frank Griffin
Ben Reser wrote:

Also, one of the problems with Bugzilla is that certain categories (like 
Installation) bypass sending mail to anybody at Mandrake *except* the 
Cooker ML.
   

If you mean that bugs have to be voted on before they get seen by the
developers then that is good and useful.  Otherwise, I'm not sure what
you're talking about here.
 

Somehow I missed the description of bugs having to be voted upon to be 
seen by developers.  I've just been submitting them.   Can you provide a 
link that describes this practice ?




Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-08 Thread Frank Griffin
Ben Reser wrote:

Of course, every time I try to run complex bugzilla searches, I get 500 
Internal Server Errors
   

If that's the case then those problems should be filed as bug reports
against Bugzilla itself so Warly can fix them.
 

If we were making full use of Bugzilla there would be a way to either
watch categories of bugs or at least specific packages bugs.
Maintainers already basically get this.  I don't see why other people
who are interested in a package shouldn't get this benefit too.  It
helps pull the signal from the noise.  Should increase contributions and
would hopefully cause more bugs to be fixed without the
maintainer/employee of having to do the foot work of figuring the issue
out.
But I've made these suggestions in the past and nobody seemed all that
interested in them.
I didn't report them because I assumed they were Bugzilla bugs (and thus 
outside of Mandrake's province).  If Warly maintains Bugzilla, then I will.





Re: [Cooker] split lists?

2003-07-07 Thread Frank Griffin
Rather than split by product, I would suggest splitting out the Bugzilla 
mails.  By definition, anybody interested in changes to bugs ought to be 
watching the bug (and therefore be mailed) anyway.




Re: [Cooker] Can not install Cooker

2003-07-07 Thread Frank Griffin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Then it checks the partition and displays the message Looking for 
available packages... and it is completely frozen.  CTRL-ALT-F1 shows the 
last message was Entering step Choose Packages to Install. 

The cooker has been broken in this way for several weeks.  Am I just not 
building it properly?  This used to work just fine.
 

Check out bug 4057.




Re: [Cooker] Unable to install Cooker (fresh from mirrors)

2003-07-06 Thread Frank Griffin
Mark Draheim wrote:

 

When I try, the install freezes at looking for available packages -
no apparent errors in the other consoles and the CPU gets pegged to
100%.
   

same here
 

Check out bug 4057.  Warly says this is an fpons bug which has not yet 
been fixed.




Re: [Cooker] PLEASE address build/install problems

2003-07-03 Thread Frank Griffin
Warly wrote:

Yes and I replied that I tried to fix it.

Have you tried again?

 

The bug you replied about was a different one, where MakeCD would 
immediately error out without creating images.  That one was fixed, and 
I closed the Bugzilla report for it.

4057 is different, in that the ISO images are built without error, but 
either stuff is missing or the dependencies are screwed, because the 
install hangs or loops at looking for available packages.  I have 
re-tried this every day or every other day since you fixed the first bug.

Thanks,
Frank



Re: [Cooker] PLEASE address build/install problems

2003-07-02 Thread Frank Griffin
Thanks, I'll make a note of the urpmi --auto-select technique, but most 
of the bugs I report are with the install itself, not just with this 
package or that.  Without being able to do an install, those aren't 
going to get reported, and I can't tell if the old ones have been fixed 
(when bugzilla asks me every month).

I fully understand that it is the nature of cooker than things break.  
But some things are more critical to the intended goals of cooker than 
others.  If you want people to test a system install, the install has to 
work at least to the point of completing and producing a bootable system. 

Have I got this backwards ?  Is it really the intention to address only 
application package issues in the early part of the release cycle, and 
leave install issues until the betas/RCs ? 




[Cooker] PLEASE address build/install problems

2003-07-01 Thread Frank Griffin
I've been building and testing cooker systems for over a year, primarily 
by creating ISOs with MakeCD and burning them.  I've tried harddrive and 
network installs, but they don't work for me (as documented in bug 3295).

Recently, as documented in bug 4057, burning ISOs stopped working as 
well, and a previous comment in this list drew a response that indicates 
that at least one other person is having the same problem with MakeCD.

There's been a lot of traffic on this list about telling people that 
they'd better report certain problems by a certain point in the 
development cycle if they want to see the bug addressed in the final 
release.  That's quite reasonable, but it falls apart if the 
build/install process itself is broken and just stays that way. 

I entered bug 3295 on March 14 (hd/network installs giving package 
errors that ISO installs from ISOs burned from the exact same 
directories do NOT give), and nobody's commented on it but me.

After finding bug 4057 (installs from ISOs hang at looking for 
available packages), I no longer have any way to build or install a 
Cooker system.  This bug showed up sometime between the beginning of 
June and mid-June.  There was another mkcd bug which Warly addressed 
around mid-June that had made it impossible to build ISO images at all 
from about June 3 to June 12, so I can't tell when in that timeframe bug 
4057 surfaced.

I would very much like to continue testing Cooker for you, and I realize 
that you are short-staffed.  If I had never gotten a build to work, I 
could understand a certain amount of skepticism about bug reports saying 
my cooker won't work.  But that's not the case here.  If I can 
build/burn ISOs which install without problems, yet the exact same 
directories won't install without problems if I do an hd or network 
install, then I don't think the problem is in the directories.  
Likewise, if I have been building/installing burned ISO systems all 
along, and they suddenly stop installing when I haven't changed my 
mirroring code, AND someone else is seeing the same problem, the problem 
isn't in my copy of Cooker.

Recent posts to this list indicate that we're coming close to a beta 
milepost for 9.2, and it is really annoying to not be able to test 
anything, since I will no doubt hear later on that I should have 
reported that bug back in whenever.

Please take a look at these bug reports and provide some feedback.




[Cooker] Can't install Cooker ISOs since Jun 3

2003-06-26 Thread Frank Griffin
I've entered bug 4057 about this, but I wanted to ask here just to see 
if I'm the only one experiencing this.

I've been building and installing Cooker ISOs for over a year without 
problems.  The installs are always full installs, with Custom Disk 
Assignment of just a root ext2 partition and a full format of same.  
Nothing fancy.

Somewhere on or after June 3, the ISOs stopped installing.  The install 
formats the root partition, goes to looking for available packages, 
and hangs or loops there (I can't tell which) until you reboot.  I've 
left it for several hours on some occasions.

I've tried running gendistrib, with no effect.  I've even re-downloaded 
a fresh Cooker tree, still with no effect. 

I've included report.bug as well as the stdout/stderr from MakeCD in the 
bug report, but MakeCD puts out so much stuff that I never know what's 
significant and what's not.

Has anyone else been able to install from CDs burned from Cooker since 
June 3 ?




[Cooker] Re: Rsync Mirrors

2003-06-23 Thread Frank Griffin
Just what I needed, thanks.




[Cooker] Rsync Mirrors

2003-06-21 Thread Frank Griffin
Is there a list of rsync cooker mirrors along with the module names ?  
I've tried several of the regular mirrors at random, but those that 
respond to an rsync connect attempt seem to have inconsistent module 
structures.

So far the ones I got to work are sunsite.uio.no and ftp.sunet.se, but 
as I'm in the USA I'd rather use one closer to home




[Cooker] MakeCD fails due to perl mismatch ?

2003-06-06 Thread Frank Griffin




Trying to build ISO images from today's cooker, I'm getting:

URPM object version 0.90 does not match bootstrap parameter 0.81 at
..//Mandrake/mdkinst/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0//i386-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm
line 249.
Compilation failed in require at
..//misc/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/Mkcd/Tools.pm line 12.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at
..//misc/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/Mkcd/Tools.pm line 12.
Compilation failed in require at ..//misc/mkcd line 11.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ..//misc/mkcd line 11.


I tried selectively deleting and re-fetching control directories like
mdkinst, base, and misc, but got the same result.






Re: [Cooker] [Bug 427] [drakxtools] Drakfont freezes the whole partition

2003-02-23 Thread Frank Griffin
Szakacsits Szabolcs wrote:

Hi,

Somebody who can reproduce the problem (I couldn't) would please
'strace' drakfont and send the last 50-100 lines or put all output to
some downloadable place to see where the NTFS driver hangs? You can
try by starting drakfont like
	strace -f -e trace=file drakfont

or after it's started but before importing Windows font, what makes
the driver hang, attaching to drakfont like
	strace -f -e trace=file -p pid_of_drakfont
 

The last lines using the latter technique are:

open(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/GARAIT.TTF, 
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/GARAIT.TTF, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=188916, ...}) = 0
chmod(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/GARAIT.TTF, 0100555) = 0
stat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp, 
{st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=8192, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgia.ttf, 
0x804b678) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgia.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=142964, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgia.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=142964, ...}) = 0
open(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgia.ttf, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, st_size=142964, ...}) = 0
open(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgia.ttf, 
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgia.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=142964, ...}) = 0
chmod(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgia.ttf, 0100555) = 0
stat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp, 
{st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=8192, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiab.ttf, 
0x804b678) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiab.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=139584, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiab.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=139584, ...}) = 0
open(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiab.ttf, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, st_size=139584, ...}) = 0
open(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiab.ttf, 
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiab.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=139584, ...}) = 0
chmod(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiab.ttf, 0100555) = 0
stat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp, 
{st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=8192, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiai.ttf, 
0x804b678) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiai.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=156668, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiai.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=156668, ...}) = 0
open(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiai.ttf, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, st_size=156668, ...}) = 0
open(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiai.ttf, 
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiai.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=156668, ...}) = 0
chmod(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiai.ttf, 0100555) = 0
stat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp, 
{st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=8192, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiaz.ttf, 
0x804b678) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiaz.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=158796, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiaz.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=158796, ...}) = 0
open(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiaz.ttf, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, st_size=158796, ...}) = 0
open(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiaz.ttf, 
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/georgiaz.ttf, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=158796, ...}) = 0
chmod(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/georgiaz.ttf, 0100555) = 0
stat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp, 
{st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=8192, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/GOTHIC.TTF, 
0x804b678) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/GOTHIC.TTF, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=137568, ...}) = 0
lstat64(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/GOTHIC.TTF, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, 
st_size=137568, ...}) = 0
open(/mnt/win_d/winnt/fonts/GOTHIC.TTF, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, st_size=137568, ...}) = 0
open(/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/tmp/tmp/GOTHIC.TTF, 
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0

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