[css-d] Bootstrap for big projects

2013-05-07 Thread trevor donahue
Hi list,
quick question:
Would you consider bootstrap for a big project? and for little ones?
Personally I like the idea of not having to care about creating new css
rules, instead just applying the already existent ones. I don't feel
very comfortable using rules like "span4", mainly I tend to think it's too
much of a burden to rely it on html. What do you guys think?

-- 
Thanks,
Donahue Trevor
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[css-d] List layout issue in loose HTML under IE8

2010-04-18 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

I have a problem with list formatting when list items contain named anchors,
but only under the "loose" doctype in IE (I am using IE8).

This is my minimal example:

 -
 test.html:
 -

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 One
 
 
 

 
 test.css:
 

 ol {
   padding: 0 0 0 2em;
   margin-top: 1em;
   margin-bottom: 1em;
 }
 
 li {
   margin-top: 1em;
   margin-bottom: 1em;
   margin-left: 0.35em;
   padding-left: 0;
   list-style-type: decimal;
 }
 
 li:first-child {
   margin-top: 0;
 }
 
 a.empty {
   font-size: 0;
   line-height: 0;
 }
 
 p {
   margin-top: 1em;
   margin-bottom: 1em;
 }

 --
 Output:
 --
 
 1. One


However if I add the following line to the html file:

 http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>

then the output (using IE8) is no longer what I want, but appears on a
broken line, viz.:

 --
 "Loose" output:
 --

 1.
One


Unfortunately I need the loose doctype because of other document content not
relevant to this example. Unfortunately I also have to use IE as the
browser.

Is there a way to style this HTML so as to see what I want when the HTML is
declared as conforming to the loose.dtd doctype?

Thanks
Trevor


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Re: [css-d] "Liquid" div

2009-06-23 Thread trevor bayliss


> Hi all
> > 
> > On the leftcontent div on this page http://tinyurl.com/nvco2a I want to 
> > make the div
> "liquid" ie it expands when the text is enlarged. At the
> moment the map image overlaps the header in FF (mac). How
> can I do this? Thank you
> > 
> >  
> 
> 
> Can you be a little more specific? The "leftcontent div" on
> that page has a height assigned to it. Consequently, I can
> destroy your layout in any browser, including:
> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US;
> rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090616 Firefox/3.5.
> 
> ~d
> 
> Thanks David I changed the height to %. What do you suggest is the best css 
> for the  leftcontent?-I have text there but it is not optimal? Thank you


  
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[css-d] "Liquid" div

2009-06-23 Thread trevor bayliss

Hi all

On the leftcontent div on this page http://tinyurl.com/nvco2a I want to make 
the div "liquid" ie it expands when the text is enlarged. At the moment the map 
image overlaps the header in FF (mac). How can I do this? Thank you

 


  

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Re: [css-d] Height 100%

2009-06-21 Thread trevor bayliss

> trevor bayliss wrote:
> > Thanks for the replies I did the following using
> conditional comments for IE6 directly in the css:
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> The CC goes in the head of the document not on the CSS
> file:
> 
> 
> 
>  src="js/photocindex.js">
> 
> 
> 
> Please bottom post.
> 
> 
> Thanks David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [css-d] Height 100%

2009-06-21 Thread trevor bayliss

Thanks for the replies I did the following using conditional comments for IE6 
directly in the css:
#insidecentre { 

min-height: 592px; display: block; border: 1px solid #ccc; width: 297px; 
float:left;}

it doesn't seem to alter the height in FF and IE8. Where am I going wrong?
Cheers



--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Paul Farnell  wrote:

> From: Paul Farnell 
> Subject: Re: [css-d] Height 100%
> To: "trevor bayliss" 
> Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org, "Divya Manian" 
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 4:26 AM
> On 21 Jun 2009, at 07:43, trevor
> bayliss wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Divya I used min-height and it works well for
> IE 8 and FF. What is the workaround for IE6 please? Thank
> you
> 
> 
> Hi Trevor. For IE6 you can simply specify the height as
> 535px. It'll auto-expand to be larger than that if the
> content requires it.
> 
> However, make sure you specify the height in a conditional
> comment (or using an IE hack), since other browsers *will*
> obey that rule and make it strictly 535px high and no more.
> 
> Paul
> 
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Re: [css-d] Height 100%

2009-06-20 Thread trevor bayliss

Thanks Divya I used min-height and it works well for IE 8 and FF. What is the 
workaround for IE6 please? Thank you 

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Divya Manian  wrote:

> From: Divya Manian 
> Subject: Re: [css-d] Height 100%
> To: "trevor bayliss" , css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 11:28 PM
> Hi Trevor
> 
> 
> On 6/20/09 11:18 PM, "trevor bayliss" 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > I changed the height of the div #insidecentre to 100%
> instead of 535px as the
> > fixed pixel height was making the text in the div
> overlap the footer.
> > 100% works fine to sort out that problem but now the
> div is only as high as
> > the text inside the div and when there is little text
> this means the div is
> > too small (I would like it to be 535px).
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/lch7u3
> > 
> > What is another css solution to this problem?
> Thank-you in advance
> > 
> 
> You can set the min-height of the div to be 535px this
> means it will be
> minimum 535px and expand if the div has more text.
> 
> For IE 6, you would have to set the div to be 535px as it
> does not
> understand min-height
> 
> Regards,
> Divya
>  
> 
> -- 
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[css-d] Height 100%

2009-06-20 Thread trevor bayliss

Hi all,
I changed the height of the div #insidecentre to 100% instead of 535px as the 
fixed pixel height was making the text in the div overlap the footer.
100% works fine to sort out that problem but now the div is only as high as the 
text inside the div and when there is little text this means the div is too 
small (I would like it to be 535px).  

http://tinyurl.com/lch7u3

What is another css solution to this problem? Thank-you in advance



  

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[css-d] How do you dynamically change the size of graphics on a page?

2009-05-11 Thread Trevor
Aloha!

This is my first post, so be kind...

Here's a site I've been playing around with:

<http://orangephile.com>


Right now the images are created at 150px square, but I list their  
height and width as 300px.

What I would like to know is how can you create CSS code to  
dynamically change the dimensions of the images, say 75px for  
thumbnails, 300px to get a good overview, 600px for examining the  
color palette closely.

Mahalo,

Trevor Avichènnya Zénaïde

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[css-d] simple margins not collapsing

2009-04-16 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hello

Can somebody please explain why the lower margin of my first para and the
upper margin of my "fragment" div are not collapsing? How could I fix this?

I've seen this gap in both IE7 and FF3. The target market is IE6+.

Thanks in advance
Trevor

Here's the html:

---
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>

Commands

body { font-family: "Arial",sans-serif; font-size: small; color: Black; }
h2 { color: Black; background: none; font-size: 130%; font-weight: bold;
  margin: 0 0 1em 0; padding: 0.5em 0 0.17em 0; border-bottom: 1px solid
#aa; }
p { margin: 0 0 1em 0; }
div.fragment { float: left; margin: 1em 0 1em 0; }
div.fragbody { font-family: "Courier New",monospace; font-size: 88%;
  background-color: #e0e0e0; border: 0.25mm solid black; padding: 3pt 6pt
3pt 6pt;
  float: left; margin: 0 0.75em 0 0.75em; white-space: nowrap; }
.fragclear { clear: both; }



Commands
Commands may be typed whenever the:

>>


prompt is displayed.


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Re: [css-d] Get rid of top space

2009-04-13 Thread trevor bayliss

Thanks Brian Elias and David

David it only had one error which obviously happened between the last time I 
validated it- I have now sorted out margin:  none instead of margin: 0px

There are however some warnings there-important? Thanks 


  

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Re: [css-d] Get rid of top space

2009-04-13 Thread trevor bayliss



--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Brian Hazelton  wrote:

> From: Brian Hazelton 
> Subject: Re: [css-d] Get rid of top space
> To: bayliss_tre...@yahoo.com
> Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 1:54 PM
> body margin and padding set to 0 and the first element set
> to margin-top  0



Thanks Brian,
I think that is is already:
body {
padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px; 
margin: 0px 0px 20px 0px;
color: #003300;
font: 80% "Arial, Helvetica", sans-serif; 
height: 100%;
text-align: center;
}

#wrapper {
  padding: 0px 0px 10px 10px; 
  margin: 0px auto; 
  width: 730px; 
  background-color: #fff; 
  text-align: left;
}

#wrapperLogoNavigation {
padding: 0px; 
margin: none; 
background: #fff; 
border-bottom: #fff 5px solid; 
height: 65px; 
text-align: right;
}

#wrapperLogoNavigation img{
float: left;
}
p{ 
padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px; 
font-size: 100%; 
margin: 0 0 1em; 
line-height: 1.25pc; 
}


  

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[css-d] Get rid of top space

2009-04-13 Thread trevor bayliss

I am trying to get rid of the space right at the top of the page but I can't 
seem to do it, what do I need to doo? Thank you
http://tinyurl.com/clg668



  

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Re: [css-d] Condensing BORDER-xxx-STYLE

2009-04-12 Thread trevor bayliss




--- On Sun, 4/12/09, David Laakso  wrote:

> From: David Laakso 
> Subject: Re: [css-d] Condensing BORDER-xxx-STYLE
> To: bayliss_tre...@yahoo.com
> Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 2:01 PM
> trevor bayliss wrote:
> > Thank you Brian, David, Marcio, Els and Val!
> > I got rid of the uppercase letters in the css
> >
> > How do I do the same for 
> > border-top-width
> > border-bottom-width
> >
> > would it be:
> > border-width: Top Right Bottom Left?
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Please read:
> <http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200502/efficient_css_with_shorthand_properties/>
> 

Really interesting link thanks. Last question on the subject, is it impossible 
to condense this code? (As the borders are different I imagine it is) Thanks:

BORDER-RIGHT: #333 0px solid; 
BORDER-TOP: #333 0px solid; 
BORDER-LEFT: #333 0px solid; 
BORDER-BOTTOM: #fff 5px solid; 





  

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Re: [css-d] Condensing BORDER-xxx-STYLE

2009-04-12 Thread trevor bayliss

Thank you Brian, David, Marcio, Els and Val!
I got rid of the uppercase letters in the css

How do I do the same for 
border-top-width
border-bottom-width

would it be:
border-width: Top Right Bottom Left?


  

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[css-d] Condensing BORDER-xxx-STYLE

2009-04-12 Thread trevor bayliss

How can I condense this CSS? Is it possible? thank you

BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; 
BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; 
BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; 
BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none;



  

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Re: [css-d] What can I do to improve this CSS?

2009-04-12 Thread trevor bayliss

Thanks Gunlaug, Val and David really appreciated



  

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[css-d] What can I do to improve this CSS?

2009-04-12 Thread trevor bayliss

Hi all,
This is my latest attempt at css, the xhtml validates, I feel though that 
although it works fine it could be made a lot cleaner and maybe I am missing 
some important concepts:   

http://tinyurl.com/clg668

I would be very greatful if someone could have a look and advise me what to do, 
Thank you, Regards, Trev


  

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[css-d] Shorten width

2009-03-10 Thread trevor bayliss

Hi all the green background on the right hand "head" is too wide as shown in 
this image:
www.copywritecolombia.com/ie.gif

The page is:
http://www.copywritecolombia.com/test.php


How can I make the green header on the right box less wide?
Also how can I make the height of the left box the same as the right? Thank you




  

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[css-d] Options in a select

2009-03-07 Thread trevor bayliss

Hi all, 
I have a select box that is 150px but the options are larger than that. For 
design purposes I need to keep the size as 150px but the options I need to be 
bigger. How can I do that? Thank you


  
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Re: [css-d] IE divs drops and Vertically align text

2009-02-24 Thread trevor bayliss
Thanks I added the class to the image and that seems to have vertically centred 
it, I think I am having a case of codeitis with this code!:
   
   


fish  fish 



--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Jack Timmons  wrote:

> From: Jack Timmons 
> Subject: Re: [css-d] IE divs drops and Vertically align text
> To: bayliss_tre...@yahoo.com, css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:51 AM
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:44 AM, trevor bayliss
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks that works great. How do I align the text next
> to the arrow gifs (at
> > the moment they are not verticallyt centred). Thanks
> again
> >
> >
> Add vertical-align:middle; to your styling for the anchor
> tags.
> 
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Re: [css-d] IE divs drops and Vertically align text

2009-02-24 Thread trevor bayliss
Thanks that works great. How do I align the text next to the arrow gifs (at the 
moment they are not verticallyt centred). Thanks again



---
> > In IE the right hand side where the text "Fish
> Info" and "Do you have an
> > account" is, drops down.
> >
> >  http://www.copywritecolombia.com/trial.html
> >
> > The text by the side of the arrows should be
> vertically aligned, how can I
> > do that? Thank you
> >
> 
> Seemed to work for me:
> 
> #main{float:left:width:auto}
> 
> Correct that in your styling (just remove the width set).
> 
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[css-d] IE divs drops and Vertically align text

2009-02-24 Thread trevor bayliss
In IE the right hand side where the text "Fish Info" and "Do you have an 
account" is, drops down. 

 http://www.copywritecolombia.com/trial.html

The text by the side of the arrows should be vertically aligned, how can I do 
that? Thank you


  

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Re: [css-d] nowrap and border issue in IE6 and/or IE7

2009-02-16 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi Brian, Alan, David

Thanks for your ideas.

The float idea looks promising; I'll have to see how it behaves when I add
in the other elements (the example is a considerable simplification of the
live case).

Unfortunately I cannot use "white-space: pre" and need the NBSP entities
because this HTML has to survive some Javascript processing: it's probably
off-topic for css-d but we have found that IE strips (some of) the
white-space out of document.body.innerHTML, so the non-breaking spaces are
essential.

Setting a min-width causes the scrollbar and code box to play nicely
together, though I think to do it properly condemns me to calculating exact
line lengths for all the content, which (in the live case) isn't as easy as
counting characters, if only :-)

"Overflow: auto" doesn't display nicely, I think I'll pursue the other
options first.

Cheers
T

-Original Message-
From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org
[mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Brian Funk
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 8:02 a.m.
To: tre...@castingthevoid.com
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] nowrap and border issue in IE6 and/or IE7

Trevor Nicholls wrote:

> Example found at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/csw5.html

> I have a (div) code fragment which has a text content (div) 'fragbody',
> styled with white-space:nowrap ...

You could use white-space: pre; which would give the same no-wrap effect 
but you could eliminate all the (21 in this case)   characters.


> ... if the browser window is narrowed the border and colored
> background "box" will not shrink to be smaller than the text, and the user
> can scroll right to see the end of the text and the edge of the box. This
is
> the desired behaviour.


Would floats be an option? I achieved what I /think/ you're after by 
floating both divs.
<http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/css/nowrap-01.html>

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Re: [css-d] nowrap and border issue in IE6 and/or IE7

2009-02-16 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi Sarah

I'm afraid that suggestion doesn't work. The browser shows a horizontal
scrollbar no matter how wide the window is stretched, and the RH edge of the
fragment box is never quite in view. Why can't the border simply follow the
width of the text?

Rather than "block" (as you suggested) I tried adding 'display: inline;' to
fragbody and found that the RH edge of the "box" then behaves just as I want
- but unfortunately as the window narrows the margins disappear from the
*LH* edge of the box - both the margin L of the border, and also the padding
between the border and the beginning of the text within the box.

The fragbody is double-divved because in the typical case there is a
preceding caption and a following hyperlink and I want to set some styles on
the whole construction - this is a highly simplified example to illustrate
the problem with the RH border of the fragment box.

Thanks for looking into it
T


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On 2/16/09 10:08 AM, "Trevor Nicholls"  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Example found at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/csw5.html
> 
> I have a (div) code fragment which has a text content (div) 'fragbody',
> styled with white-space:nowrap and displayed in a colored rectangle with a
> black border.
> 
> Apparently in IE6 if the browser window is narrowed the border and colored
> background "box" will not shrink to be smaller than the text, and the user
> can scroll right to see the end of the text and the edge of the box. This
is
> the desired behaviour.
> 
> However in IE7 the box shrinks, while the text does not. The user can
scroll
> right to see the rest of the text, but the "box" margin cuts through the
> text.
> 
> Having observed that Firefox 3 and Opera 9 behave similarly to IE7, I
guess
> that IE7 is probably doing the right thing and I am relying on an IE6
quirk.
> The question is, can I implement the same behaviour in IE7?
> 
> Cheers
> Trevor


Try adding to fragbody
display:block;
  width:100%;



Also why do you double div it?

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[css-d] nowrap and border issue in IE6 and/or IE7

2009-02-16 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

Example found at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/csw5.html

I have a (div) code fragment which has a text content (div) 'fragbody',
styled with white-space:nowrap and displayed in a colored rectangle with a
black border.

Apparently in IE6 if the browser window is narrowed the border and colored
background "box" will not shrink to be smaller than the text, and the user
can scroll right to see the end of the text and the edge of the box. This is
the desired behaviour.

However in IE7 the box shrinks, while the text does not. The user can scroll
right to see the rest of the text, but the "box" margin cuts through the
text.

Having observed that Firefox 3 and Opera 9 behave similarly to IE7, I guess
that IE7 is probably doing the right thing and I am relying on an IE6 quirk.
The question is, can I implement the same behaviour in IE7?

Cheers
Trevor


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Re: [css-d] wrapping woes - paras containing preformatted phrases - IE7

2008-04-15 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Following on from the previous post, I should probably put up an example to
show why I am not using pre-wrap instead of pre. These two examples
illustrate:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/prefprew.html
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/prefprew1.html

The prefprew version has
  div.fragment { white-space: pre-wrap; }
  .preformatted { white-space: pre; }

This lays the code example out properly (pre on both gives double spaced
lines), but shows the problem with the unwrapped note line.

The prefprew1 version has
  div.fragment { white-space: pre-wrap; }
  .preformatted { white-space: pre-wrap; }

This line-wraps the note correctly, at the expense of chopping all the
leading spaces out of the code example.
 
Cheers
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[css-d] wrapping woes - paras containing preformatted phrases - IE7

2008-04-15 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hello

Scattered liberally throughout my webpages one will find pieces of
application code which have been marked up as .
The preformatted class is used for code which may occupy a single word, or
may extend over several lines. For this reason carriage returns and
whitespace in these spans need to be honoured, so the CSS which is in force
defines

  .preformatted { white-space: pre; }

When these spans occur inside longer paragraphs we find that sometimes the
paragraph is not linewrapped at all (although "pre" applies only to the
short phrase and not to the entire paragraph).
 
For an example, have a look at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/pref.html
and http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/pref1.html

The first paragraph and following note use the preformatted span, while the
subsequent paragraph and note do not. You will notice that the first note
line is displayed on one line without line wrap. For some reason the first
paragraph is not similarly afflicted, although in the larger document from
which this sample was extracted this particular paragraph is also laid out
incorrectly: the first few lines wrap but after reaching the first
"preformatted" span the rest of the paragraph fails to wrap at all. In my
real documents some paragraphs do this and some are formatted OK; I can't
see any difference - but it's always the same paragraphs that misbehave.

The "pref1" page has "white-space: pre" commented out, and the problem goes
away.

Naturally Firefox behaves impeccably, but (as before) I am restricted to
using IE7. Is anyone able to explain what is going on, and how I could get
IE7 to linewrap these paragraphs correctly, please?

Cheers
T
 
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Re: [css-d] nested list troubles in IE

2008-04-11 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Georg>
> Post a link to a live example of your nested list
> constructions, so we can see what's bugging IE the most.

I haven't kept all the different versions of my attempted styles, and trying
to reconstruct them is getting beyond me at this hour of the night. So
instead I've put up a completely unstyled version of a test file, which you
can find here:

  http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tmjpbn/listnone.html

The text (i.e. "step x", "item x") is aligned as I want. All browsers seem
to do this, as one would hope that they would. The two adjustments which I
have been trying to make to this default layout are:

(a) to align the (unordered) list markers and the (ordered) list numbers
without disturbing the alignment of the (text) list items

(b) to align the level{n} list markers/numbers with the level{n-1} "text"
without disturbing the other alignments

And, as I mentioned in the original post, this is to be achieved in IE7.

Thanks

Cheers
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[css-d] nested list troubles in IE

2008-04-11 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Before posting any of my failures, am I trying to achieve the impossible
dream?

 *  list elements aligned
1. unordered lists
2. ordered lists
 1. list markers aligned
*  unordered list markers
*  ordered list numbers

This may go 5 or 6 levels deep, with any conformation of ordered/unordered.
By using "list-style-position: outside" I can achieve this in Firefox, but
unfortunately the required browser is IE7.

Cheers
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[css-d] bottom border vs padding in IE, retry

2008-01-11 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hmm. I see that putting my tiny HTML file on freehomepage.com has caused it
to be engulfed by an advertising monster. If it helps, the relevant bits of
the problem are this:

HTML -

 
  
   
  
  
   


 
 

   
  
 

CSS -

  body {
font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;
font-size: small;
color: black;
  }

  div.gloss {
border: 1px solid black;
  }

  div.head {
color: black;
background: #c0c0c0;
font-size: 133%;
margin: 0;
padding-left: 0.5em;
padding-right: 1em;
padding-top: 0.2em;
padding-bottom: 0.2em;
  }

  div.entry {
color: black;
background: #e0e0e0;
margin: 0;
padding-left: 0.665em;
padding-right: 1em;
padding-top: 0;
  /*  padding-bottom: 0.2em; */
  }

  p {
margin: 0;
padding-left: 0;
padding-right: 0;
padding-top: 0.25em;
padding-bottom: 0.25em;
  }


With the div.entry { padding-bottom: 0.2em; } line commented out Firefox
looks OK but IE7 drops the border.
With the padding restored the border appears in both browsers.

If I comment out the padding-bottom line again, but add a "border: 1px solid
red" to the div.entry block I see both a red and a black border.

I've tried Google, but it doesn't want to be my friend on this one.

Cheers
T
 
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Subject: [css-d] bottom border vs padding in IE

Hi

I'm coding up a simple glossary function and have found that IE loses the
bottom border of my display when the final div has no bottom padding.

A simple example:
http://trevor.freehomepage.com/glossary_documentation.html


The stylesheet is 
http://trevor.freehomepage.com/gloss.css

In Firefox this displays as expected, but in IE7 the bottom border is
missing. If I restore the line which is commented out in the "div.entry"
then IE displays the border.

Can somebody please explain why this is so?

Cheers
Trevor


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[css-d] bottom border vs padding in IE

2008-01-10 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

I'm coding up a simple glossary function and have found that IE loses the
bottom border of my display when the final div has no bottom padding.

A simple example:
http://trevor.freehomepage.com/glossary_documentation.html


The stylesheet is 
http://trevor.freehomepage.com/gloss.css

In Firefox this displays as expected, but in IE7 the bottom border is
missing. If I restore the line which is commented out in the "div.entry"
then IE displays the border.

Can somebody please explain why this is so?

Cheers
Trevor


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[css-d] external html content in popup on mouseover

2007-12-21 Thread Trevor Nicholls
I would like to create an effect where, when the user moves their mouse over
a certain object in the current webpage, a popup opens which displays some
variable content, e.g. a URL, and the popup automatically closes when they
move the mouse off the object. I think I can code this (rather crudely) with
CSS if the source of the popup content is part of the page, but I need the
content to be obtained from a remote URL.

The effect I am looking for may be seen if you have software like McAfee's
SiteAdvisor installed - search for something in Google (say) and every
result has a small icon attached (e.g. a green tick, or a red cross). Mouse
over the icon and a McAfee SiteAdvisor popup appears; and it disappears when
you mouse away.

Has anyone investigated how to code this effect, and maybe even succeeded
with it? I guess it will probably involve some Javascript as well as CSS,
and thus may be beyond scope for this list. But I hope that one of you can
point me in the right general direction for it.

A very happy holiday season to you all

Cheers
T
 
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Re: [css-d] Border troubles - Mea culpa

2007-12-20 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Apologies for this question appearing twice today; I carelessly submitted it
the first time in HTML and then when I realised my mistake I resent it in
plain text. And of course my coding problem was just a simple question of
carelessness, to boot.

As you were

Cheers
T
 
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[css-d] Border troubles

2007-12-20 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

 

I am having problems formatting a copyright footer on my pages. A minimal
page and CSS file may be seen at http://trevor.freehomepage.com/copy.html
and http://trevor.freehomepage.com/test.css

 

(sorry about the advertising).

 

The browser is IE as my pages are delivered through an IE component inside
another application.

 

What I want is to see a single pale line above the copyright block, but the
black border from a normal "table" appears to be trumping the colour setting
I have applied to a ".copyright table".

 

The "copyleft" block appears as I would expect; the border: 2px solid green
is applied correctly. The ordinary "table" border colour is not being
carried through in this case.

 

If I insert a "border: none;" in the ".copyright table" style ahead of the
border-top (hoping that this will kill the black border) I still see a black
top border.

 

What is going on? Can some kind person explain what I obviously don't
understand about inheritance here?

 

Thanks

 

Cheers

Trevor

 

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[css-d] A little border dispute

2007-12-20 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

I am having problems formatting a copyright footer on my pages. A minimal
page and CSS file may be seen at http://trevor.freehomepage.com/copy.html
and http://trevor.freehomepage.com/test.css

(sorry about the advertising).

The browser is IE as my pages are delivered through an IE component inside
another application.

What I want is to see a single pale line above the copyright block, but the
black border from a normal "table" appears to be trumping the colour setting
I have applied to a ".copyright table".

The "copyleft" block appears as I would expect; the border: 2px solid green
is applied correctly. The ordinary "table" border colour is not being
carried through in this case.

If I insert a "border: none;" in the ".copyright table" style ahead of the
border-top (hoping that this will kill the black border) I still see a black
top border.

What is going on? Can some kind person explain what I obviously don't
understand about inheritance here?

Thanks

Cheers
Trevor

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[css-d] Div not containing other divs

2007-09-27 Thread trevor bayliss
Maybe I`m tired but I can`t work this one out, I have a div called wrapimg (the 
one that has a tan border) which is meant to contain the divs: leftcontent, 
centrephoto and flashscroll stopping before the footer. I`m trying to set a 
containing div so that I can have a cross browser background image at the 
bottom of the div and create instead of unreliable bottom borders which don`t 
seem to line up horizontally cross browser. Thank you for any help on this one: 
 
  Here`s the page and relevant css:
  Page:
  http://tinyurl.com/2ywavl

  CSS:
  html, body {
color : #000;
margin : 0;
padding : 0;
}
body {
font : 100% tahoma, arial, sans-serif;
color : #4d4d4d;
text-align : center;
}
h1 {
font-size : 100%;
font-weight : normal;
margin : 0;
padding : 0;
}
a {
color : #7f99ae;
text-decoration : none;
}
a:hover {
text-decoration : underline;
}
br.both {
clear : both;
}
br.right {
clear : right;
}
br.left {clear : left;}
..clear {
height : 0;
clear : both;
}
#page {
width : 794px;
margin : 0 auto;
text-align : left;
}
#header {width: 794px;}
#header img { display: block;}
#topnav {
padding: 0 0 3px 0;
margin: 0 ;
background-color: #006600;
text-align: center;
border-bottom: 1px solid #ff;}

  /*index css*/
#wrapimg {border: 1px solid tan; }
#leftcontent {border: 1px solid #ccc; width: 178px;
  float:left; clear:left; } 
#centrephoto {border: 1px solid #ccc; 
width: 538px;  float:left; } 
  #flashscroll {
border: 1px solid #ccc;
width: 72px;
float: right;
text-align: center;
}
  /* footer */
#footer_home { clear : both; 
text-align : center;
padding: 10px 0;
width : 100%;
font-size: 75%;}
#footer_home p {
margin-top : 0;
margin-bottom : 0;}
#footer_home a {color: #a2a2a2; text-decoration: none;}

   
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Re: [css-d] Validation Failure

2007-09-24 Thread trevor bayliss

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> George L Smyth Wrote:
> 
> I have got the proper script tags surrounding the
> JavaScript,
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Is this how your doing it?
> 
> 
> //
> 
> 
> If not change it and see what happens.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> GM)
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Cut and paste the js to a new js file and call it on
your (x)html page like so:



yourfile.js example code:

// set the path to the qForms directory
qFormAPI.setLibraryPath("../../lib/");
// this loads all the default libraries
qFormAPI.include("*");
//-->


   

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[css-d] Div drops in firefox

2007-09-18 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all I get a problem with the flash scroll div where my flash is it falls for 
some reason. I have tried clear both, display inline, and displayed block but 
it stays there. In IE it looks fine:
  http://www.villa-corti.com/text.html
   
  What is happening? TIA

   
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Re: [css-d] IE7 - Jumping DIV when I mouse over navigation

2007-09-18 Thread trevor bayliss
This sounds like the peekaboo bug in IE but reading the bumpf it seems like is 
has been sorted out for IE7: 
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html
   
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Re: [css-d] Need help with alignment in IE (huge white spaces), Firefox looks ok

2007-09-18 Thread trevor bayliss


juliann wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I created this in tables for an 
HTML newsletter Does anyone know why I'm 
getting these large gaps of white space in my tables (left side column)?

I'm not a tables person usually so this is a real challenge for me.

It looks fine in Firefox to me, but I cant test in IE because I'm on a mac.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Here are the links:

http://www.pcg-advisors.com/Newsletter/pcgnewsletter9_07.html
http://www.pcg-advisors.com/Newsletter/pcgnewsletter9_07_p2.html


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  I would go pure css and forget the tables. In IE they look fine no space 
anyway!! Seems a really complicated way putting inline css in every tr or td 
try and seperate the css into  in the page code or put on a 
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[css-d] UL woes

2007-09-18 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all,
 I have a basic page that I am working on but I am not getting the list 
right. I have a big div called page id that wraps the whole page including the 
footer. The next div is called header which has a fixed width of 794px, where 
there is an image at the top of the page which is 794x110. Inside the header 
div is the ul topnav div which is the navigation.  There was a big white gap 
between the header image and the ul which I have partially got rid of using 
display: inline on the topnav id. The ul div has a fixed width of 794px and as 
there are 8 links I have put the width of the lis as 100% divided by 8 which is 
12.5%
As you can see the links are still a mess and there is a small white 
gap between the image and the topnav.
  So my questions: 
  1.What do I need to do to sort out the ul?
  2.Is using the page id as a wrapper containing the footer div a good method?
   
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Re: [css-d] will u help me any CSS issue?

2007-09-18 Thread trevor bayliss


Ann Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  >>> On 9/17/2007 at 7:48 PM, "Nay Myo 
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Re: [css-d] Floating problem?

2007-09-08 Thread trevor bayliss
Thanks a lot Georg that works a treat!
   
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Re: [css-d] Floating problem?

2007-09-08 Thread trevor bayliss

Hi all,
   Thanks a lot for those pointers  George and Alan, I have implemented the 
solutions which work with Firefox but with IE the #contentinright div is 
dropped down and doesn`t seem to clear the #contentinleft div.  I tried the 
right negative margin to try and allows the #contentinright to clear the 
contentinleft div but it doesn`t produce the desired effect. What is the 
solution? TIA
The page is here:
 http://216.219.94.105/about2.htm
A screengrab of what it shoud be is here:
  http://216.219.94.105/sc.jpg

> #wrapper {display: inline;}
> #contentinleft {display: inline;}
 to "kill" the 'margin-doubling on floats' bug in IE6.

and deleted
> #contentinright {clear: left;}
which provokes a 'float-clear' bug in all IE/win versions.

#contentinright {
margin-right:-145px;
margin-top : 6.5em;
width : 200px;
float: right;
}

The right negative margin allows the #contentinright to move far enough to the 
right of the #contentinleft to clear it, though IE strangely clears without the 
right negative margin (another bug).


   
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[css-d] Floating problem?

2007-09-07 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all, I want to put two columns inside the divs:   
  #wrapper {
float : left;
width : 100%;
margin-left : -180px;
padding-top : 15px;
}
#content {
margin-left : 180px;
width : 743px;
}

  which I have done with   and  
   
  #contentinleft {
margin-left : 180px;
width : 500px;
float: left;
}
#contentinright {
margin-left : 0;
width : 200px;
float: right;
clear: left;
}
   
  All the columns seem to have moved right for some reason. Why is this 
happening? How can I correct it? I am learning css so I would be interested to 
hear if I am approaching this from the right angle- two divs for example would 
it have been better as divs? TIA
   
  This can be seen on this page:
   http://216.219.94.105/about2.cfm
   

   
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Re: [css-d] line-height: 2;

2007-09-03 Thread trevor bayliss
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Re: [css-d] Sorry the subject is different-my last post was not site check please

2007-09-03 Thread trevor bayliss


Tom Molesworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hi Trevor,

On 03/09/07, trevor bayliss wrote:
> CSS guru David Laakso very kindly gave me some code:
>
> br.both {
> clear : both;
> }
> br.right {
> clear : right;
> }
> br.left {
> clear : left;
> }
> .clear {
> height : 0;
> clear : both;
> }

This effectively defines some helper classes for "clearing" - making
sure that any floats are placed and further content appears below
them.

For example, with the following HTML extract:

  Left

  Right

  Left again

  Not floated


try putting




at various points in between the lines. Then try 
, etc.

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html

Not quite sure about the "strict XHTML" part of your question though.
It applies to HTML4 just as well.

cheers,

Tom

Thanks for the reply Tom I checked out the different classes but it seems not 
to make any difference if there are or aren`t classes on the brs. Maybe it is 
because I checked it on IE? 
   
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Re: [css-d] different browsers

2007-09-03 Thread trevor bayliss


David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Terri Houston wrote:
> Is there a website where I can see my menu page with all the different 
> browsers? If not, can someone check 
> www.ttcollectiblegifts.com/dynamicdrive.html using IE6, and send me a 
> screenshot? I was told the menu was large, and I hope I've fixed it, but 
> can't see it with IE6. All help is appreciated.
>
> Terri
> 

It looks the same in ie6 as it does in ff, opera, and safari. As already 
mentioned there are markup errors-- validate [1].

If you are on a pc, multiple ie versions are easy to install [2].

If you are on a mac, you can run any windows version of ie with 
Parallels Desktop [3].


Best,
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[css-d] line-height: 2;

2007-09-02 Thread trevor bayliss
What is line-height: 2; what value is interpreted by the browser? An em value 
or px? Sorry about this newbie question, thanks for input
   
  #footer p {
font-size : 75%;
line-height: 2;
margin-top : 0;
margin-bottom : 0;
}

   
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[css-d] Sorry the subject is different-my last post was not site check please

2007-09-02 Thread trevor bayliss
CSS guru David Laakso very kindly gave me some code:

br.both {
clear : both;
}
br.right {
clear : right;
}
br.left {
clear : left;
}
.clear {
height : 0;
clear : both;
}

Can someone please explain to me what this does and why it is needed with 
strict xhtml. Thank-you in advance.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check, please

2007-09-02 Thread trevor bayliss
CSS guru David Laakso very kindly gave me some code:
  
br.both {
clear : both;
}
br.right {
clear : right;
}
br.left {
clear : left;
}
.clear {
height : 0;
clear : both;
}
   
  Can someone please explain to me what this does and why it is needed with 
strict xhtml. Thank-you in advance.

   
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Re: [css-d] Site Check, please

2007-09-02 Thread trevor bayliss


David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Lorraine Barte Nepomuceno wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm having problems with a design of mine. On some browsers (although not
> any of ours here at the office, but that may be because we're all
> widescreen), the right sidebars are pushed down below the main content area:
>
> Sample is at:
> http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/
> with CSS at:
> http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/wp-content/themes/geeks-blog/style.css
>
> Any help would be most appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Lorraine
>
> 

The floats drop as the window narrows. Have you tried setting the page 
as a fixed width layout?
div#container{
margin:0 auto 0 auto;
/*max-width: 920px;
width:90% !important;*/
width:920px;
}
Best,
~dL

Hi David -what`s the thinking behind /*max-width: 920px;
width:90% !important;*/ David? Thanks for explaining to us newbies


   
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Re: [css-d] color consistency, accuracy

2007-08-26 Thread trevor bayliss
sounds like a problem with photoshop or your pc -how are you and your clients 
calibrating your monitors?

Listsmem escribió: 
> Has anyone else noticed this problem before? Open a solid color jpeg  
> in photoshop and use a digital color meter to read its hex value.  
> Then drag and drop the same jpeg file into a web browser and then  
> meter it again. The color values aren't the same. I've found that the  
> browser tends to render it lighter, requiring adjustments to the jpeg  
> before posting to the web. Is this because of the browser, operating  
> system, monitor calibration (gamma) or some other factor? Clients are  
> frequently asking me why the color of the site I build is slightly  
> different than the color of the mockup they give me, even jpeg  
> mockups. Thanks for any help with this matter, especially a technical  
> discussion of why this occurs and any best practices to alleviate  
> this issue.
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Re: [css-d] mixed units for table padding

2007-08-09 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi fantasia, thanks for your suggestion.

Margin is ignored for captions.
But a white border-left seems to do the trick:

  table {
  /* NB */
  /* IE tables don't inherit font-size */
font-size: 1em;
border: thin solid black;
  }

  th, td {
padding: 0.25em;
  }

  table caption {
caption-side: top;
  /* NB *
  /* padding needs extra allowance for border */
border-left: thin solid white;
padding: 0.25em;
  }

Cheers
Trevor

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Subject: Re: [css-d] mixed units for table padding

Trevor Nicholls wrote:
> I hope this requirement is simple!
> 
> I am trying to align a table caption with a table cell.
> The table has a 2 pixel border.
> The table cell has 0.25em padding.
> This means that the table caption needs padding of 0.25em + 2px.
> The browser is IE.
> 
> Is this possible without making assumptions about font sizes?

Does your caption have a border or backgrounds? Because if not,
   margin: 2px;
   padding: 0.25em;
might work

~fantasai

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[css-d] mixed units for table padding

2007-08-08 Thread Trevor Nicholls
I hope this requirement is simple!

I am trying to align a table caption with a table cell.
The table has a 2 pixel border.
The table cell has 0.25em padding.
This means that the table caption needs padding of 0.25em + 2px.
The browser is IE.

Is this possible without making assumptions about font sizes?

Relevant lines from the current CSS file:

  body {
font-size: small;
  }

  table {
  /* NB */
  /* IE tables don't inherit font-size */
font-size: 1em;
border: thin solid black;
  }

  th, td {
padding: 0.25em;
  }

  table caption {
caption-side: top;
  /* NB *
  /* padding needs extra allowance for border */
padding: 0.25em;
  }
  
Cheers
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[css-d] Ways to create css pages

2007-08-02 Thread trevor bayliss

 Just a quick question to get some: when you design pages do you do it directly 
from notepad? I was thinking about the merits of using the dreamweaver tools to 
design the layout with divs and then get changing the code. Alternatively do 
people have a stock of templates that they use according to the situation? 
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[css-d] Border not shown in Firefox

2007-08-01 Thread trevor bayliss
  http://216.219.94.105/ajax.htm
  Hi all this is a small test page. The aTab has a border around it in IE but 
in Firefox it doesn´t appear:
.gw_aTab {
padding : 5px;
float : none;
width:auto;
border-top : 1px solid #e6e6e6;
border-right : 1px solid #e6e6e6;
border-left : 1px solid #e6e6e6;
border-bottom : 1px solid #e6e6e6;
min-height:195px;
}

  I tried changing the borders to border: 1px solid #e6e6e6; instead of 
defining for all of them like border-top, border-right etc. but it doesn´t make 
any difference.  
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-07-27 Thread trevor bayliss


David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
>
> Thanks as ever for the reply David. I have implemented those changes 
> http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm and will change the p´s and h´s to 
> make it look smarter. The Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore 
> font sizes" I have done-what a nightmare I feel like I´m back to 
> square one again now! I have no idea where to start to sort out the 
> problem the cl div (which is the offending one) is floated right. The 
> only tools I have knowledge of are clear for this case. I will try 
> clearing right and clearing left and clearing both and see what happens.
>
> 


The word Environment (under the 4th image) may be too wide, thus 
pushing out and dropping the float because there is not enough room for 
it. Clearing is not going to help. Reduce the font size slightly for all 
those h's under the images. And in the mark up the word Environment with 
soft hyphens, like so: En­vir­on­ment. This will cause the 
word to hyphenate when scaled in IE. See if the float still drops at 
text-size largest.
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  What an awesome bit of code the soft hyphens David! Shame it only works with 
IE as it could sort out some of my breaking issues in FF!! ;)
  Stupid question while trying to follow your advice how can I change the 
h´s under the images if the h´s size isn´t controlled by my style sheet anymore 
with The Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore font sizes" . I can change 
them fine for ff obviously but for IE how can I do that? Or do I need to use a 
default tag that will give me a default size?
   
  
 

   
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Re: [css-d] my CSS is often working offline but not online , why is that so?

2007-07-26 Thread trevor bayliss


"Zoe M. Gillenwater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  lavinia Ebert wrote:
> Hi, why is it that the behaviour from the browsers is offline different to 
> online? The browsers (testing on IE6, Opera, Fireforx2 and Netscape) are 
> interpretating my CSS often differently offline and online. 
> Can I do something about this? Its an annoying process to have to upload 
> everything again and again to see when the code is finally working 
> correctly...
> 

Lavinia,

Can you be more specific about how the browsers are "interpreting [your] 
CSS often differently offline and online"? Do they sometimes fail to 
show any styles? Do they sometimes fail to show just the updates you've 
made to the styles? Something else entirely? Etc.

Also, can you send us a link to a page we can look at?

Thanks,
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PC with explorer and then different when I looked at it online.  No idea why 
that happened, strange as there shouldn´t be any reason why this happens 
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-07-25 Thread trevor bayliss
David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   trevor bayliss wrote:
> Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very complicated 
> stuff and I nearly turned back to tables! 
> Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think and if 
> there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If I have 
> any errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can improve on 
> I would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am also 
> interested to hear also how it looks in computers with different 
> resolutions-it looks fine for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for all 
> your help along the way.
>
> http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm
>
>
> 


Trevor,

You are getting there.

You will know things are working relatively well cross-browser when in 
IE6.0 you do not drop the far right column float (as it does now) when 
she is in "accessibility" mode at text-size "/largest/" with the 
"/ignore font sizes specified on Web pages/" box checked [1].

Some /first steps/ toward that goal, might be:

1/ Re-set this:
body { font: /*0.9875em*/ 90% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; 
text-align: center; }
to (default):
body { font: 100% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; text-align: 
center; }

2/ Re-set this:
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
11px/20px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}
to (ditch the pixel font and pixel line-height):
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
76%/1.4 tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}

3/ Reduce the font-size of the headings (h2-h6) and content text (p) as 
necessary.

[1] To put IE6 in accessibiliy mode at text-size "largest:"
Go to:
Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore font 
sizes specified on Web pages"
Then go to: View>Text Size>Largest

Best,

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Thanks as ever for the reply David. I have implemented those changes 
http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm and will change the p´s and h´s to make it 
look smarter. The Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore font sizes" I 
have done-what a nightmare I feel like I´m back to square one again now! I have 
no idea where to start to sort out the problem the cl div (which is the 
offending one) is floated right. The only tools I have knowledge of are clear 
for this case. I will try clearing right and clearing left and clearing both 
and see what happens. 
   
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Re: [css-d] Site Check and Bughunting, Please

2007-07-25 Thread trevor bayliss
checking it on the w3.org validator it says it is Tentatively valid so it 
wouldn´t hurt to get that sorted out. 
  The css validator shows two errors:
  
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lostinxlation.net%2Fsandbox1%2Findex.html
   
  If you put padding: 0px; that should sort that one out I think
   
  HTHs I´m learning this too!
  

J Hodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Good afternoon!

It would be fabulous if I could get a site check on my
current project:

Test site -
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/index.html

Test CSS - 
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/primary.css
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/print.css
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/mobile.html

I'm looking specifically for issues in common Mac and
*nix browsers, IE6 (the standalone version I have
seems to be rendering worse than IE5.5, which doesn't
seem correct), and on handheld / mobile devices.

The only thing that should not be functioning is the
Submit button on the form page, and the photogallery
may not work as expected in Safari and Opera, due to
the handling of :hover (still need to tweak that).

Also, does anybody have any ideas on how to feed in
certain styles in a way that they will be rendered if,
and only if, javascript is not functioning? The
specific issue I have in mind is that I am using
Ruzee's RoundedCorners for the dropshadowed areas, and
implementing it requires removing background-color
from the applicable selectors and instead including it
in script-specific styles, leaving no background-color
for those areas when javascript is not working /
turned off.

Thank you in advance for the time and attention.

~~J.
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[css-d] Site check please

2007-07-25 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very complicated 
stuff and I nearly turned back to tables! 
  Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think and if 
there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If I have any 
errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can improve on I 
would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am also interested 
to hear also how it looks in computers with different resolutions-it looks fine 
for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for all your help along the way.

http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm

   
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Re: [css-d] Missing division in UL LI: This is Answer

2007-07-23 Thread trevor bayliss
The answer is to increase the width to 11% that sorts it out

trevor bayliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  This is a strange one I don´t have a 
clue why this is happening, for some reason a division is left out on a UL LI 
on this page 
http://216.219.94.105/divs.htm 

You can see the screen grabs:
Firefox(problem):
http://216.219.94.105/FF.jpg
IE (fine):
http://216.219.94.105/IE.jpg 

Thank you for any pointers, Regards, Trevor 


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[css-d] Layout question

2007-07-23 Thread trevor bayliss
  Hi all, I have cut out all unnecessary content and I´m trying to work out how 
to change the size of the content div (in grey) in the following page 
http://216.219.94.105/divs.htm 
  This is all because I want to get rid of any space between the content div 
and the right hand div called c1 (lime green) and eventually I will get rid of 
an li in the top navigation so I need to know how to change the layout. 
  I think that I have to  also change main-contents-wrapper (yellow), 
gw_tabView1 layer (purple).
   
  Thanks for any help really appreciated.

   
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[css-d] Missing division in UL LI

2007-07-23 Thread trevor bayliss
This is a strange one I don´t have a clue why this is happening, for some 
reason a division is left out on a UL LI on this page 
  http://216.219.94.105/divs.htm 
   
  You can see the screen grabs:
  Firefox(problem):
  http://216.219.94.105/FF.jpg
  IE (fine):
  http://216.219.94.105/IE.jpg 
   
  Thank you for any pointers, Regards, Trevor 

   
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[css-d] Layout question

2007-07-23 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all, I have cut out all unnecessary content and I´m trying to work out how 
to change the size of the content div (in grey) in the following page 
http://216.219.94.105/divs.htm 
  This is all because I want to get rid of any space between the content div 
and the right hand div called c1 (lime green) and eventually I will get rid of 
an li in the top navigation so I need to know how to change the layout. 
  I think that I have to  also change main-contents-wrapper (yellow), 
gw_tabView1 layer (purple).
   
  Thanks for any help really appreciated.
   
   
   
   
   
   
  trying to work out how to change the 
   
   
   

   
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Re: [css-d] selector for missing attribute?

2007-07-22 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Thank you Jukka & Joe for your answers

>>
The remaining problem is that on browsers that do not support attribute 
selectors, such as IE 6 and earlier, the style sheet would make _all_ th 
elements left-aligned. Thus, this might be one of (rare) cases where some 
trick for hiding the first rule from such browsers might be in order. I 
think it would be sufficient to use a "conditional comment"; see
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html for the techniques.
On the other hand, then IE 6 would obey the align attributes but follow
its own defaults, centering  elements that lack an align attribute.
>>

Rats. Almost all our tables have left aligned column headings, and I hoped
to make that the default so that alignment only needed specifying
occasionally.
On the other hand, if IE doesn't respect attribute selection, it's all a bit
pointless (the HTML is displayed by the end-user application in a browser
subcomponent which is - currently - IE).

Maybe the best solution is an XSL pass to fill in all the defaults...

Cheers
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[css-d] selector for missing attribute?

2007-07-21 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

I must be wrong, because it’s surely a basic feature, but it seems that it
is not possible to define a selector which matches elements which *don’t*
have a particular attribute.

I am taking HTML which contains alignment attributes on table cells where
the originating software considers this appropriate, e.g.

  
   This is a table
   
heading
heading
   
   
data
data
   
   
data
data
   
  

The alignment attributes are generated with the assumption that all table
cells and headings are left-aligned by default, but this leads to an issue
with the default behaviour of IE (which is to left-align  elements, but
center  elements).

So I want to style this with something like

  tr[^align], th[^align] {
text-align: left;
  }
  tr[align], th[align] {
text-align: attr(align);
  }

where the [^align] piece means select elements which do NOT have an align
attribute. There doesn't seem to be such a construct in CSS.

Two and a half questions:
1. Is there a construct which I can use for an undefined attribute?
2. Is it valid to define text-align: attr(align) as in the code above? All
the examples I have seen restrict the use of attr() to defining "content:".

The half question:
a. If the answer to both the foregoing is No, how would you recommend coding
this requirement in CSS?


Cheers
T
 
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Re: [css-d] Equivalent result of html "align left"

2007-07-13 Thread trevor bayliss


trevor bayliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   David Hucklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:   On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:01:20 -0700 (PDT), trevor bayliss wrote:
>> [...] You can see exactly what I am aiming for on
>> the page
>> http://216.219.94.105/index.cfm which was done with tables. TIA
>>
> ~~~
>
> You are so-o-o-o close, Trevor.
> Delete those "clear: both;" declarations from #block-col-2, #block-col-4
> and so on. Well, that does it in Opera 9. Did not try other browsers.
>
> Thanks for the reply David, I tried removing all the div block clears but 
> with no luck
> and it didn´t work for some reason. What I did instead is move the image tag 
> into the p
> and that sort things out a bit (national and international panels in the 
> middle of the
> page) http://216.219.94.105/t_embeded_js.htm so it is now 
As
> you can see this is nearly there but I still need to get the equivalent 
> effect of align
> left of the image (I don´t know how to express it any other way there must be 
> a more
> technical way of saying it).
>
~

Sorry. I only looked at your default page, and removing the
"clear: both;" declarations (not the "clear: left;") fixed it this end.

The problem really exists on the tabbed pages, no? Confusing
me still is the markup for the default tab now differs from the
remaining tabs. I'll just refer to the markup for "National" for
clarity (I hope).

Were you to move the IMG element before the H2 in each
"#block-col-?" DIV, dispensing with any surrounding DIV or
P, then I imagine that simply aligning / floating the image *right*
would give you what you seek, Try:

HTMLMember of the Medical Advisory Committee 

CSS
-
.gw_aTab img {float: right: border: 0 none; margin: 0 0 5px 5px;}

Adjust image margins to taste.


Cordially,
David
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  Hi David thank you for the pointers. I changed my css but I don´t get any 
luck at the moment, maybe I think that I haven´t understood exactly where to 
change the clear. Do you have your working example? Here is mine at present, I 
changed the img to go outside the p as suggested. My present markup for the 
block divs is below and the page where it can be seen is here 
http://216.219.94.105/t_embeded_js.htm TIA: /* 3 panels content css */
#block-col-1  { background-color: #ff; float: left; width: 315px; clear: 
left } 
#block-col-2  { background-color: #ff; float: right; width: 315px; }
#block-col-3  { background-color: #ff; float: left; width: 315px; clear: 
left } 
#block-col-4  { background-color: #ff; float: right; width: 315px; }
#block-col-5  { background-color: #ff; float: left; width: 315px; clear: 
left } 
#block-col-6  { background-color: #ff; float: right; width: 315px; }
#block-col-7  { background-color: #ff; float: right; width: 600px; clear: 
left }

  #block   p { margin: 6px;  padding:0;  }
#block-col-1   p {  margin: 6px;  padding:0; clear: left; }
#block-col-2   p {  margin: 6px;  padding:0;  }
#block-col-3   p {  margin: 6px;  padding:0; clear: left; }
#block-col-4   p {  margin: 6px;  padding:0;  }
#block-col-5   p {  margin: 6px;  padding:0; clear: left; }
#block-col-6   p {  margin: 6px;  padding:0;  }
#block-col-7   p {  margin: 6px;  padding:0; clear: left; }

   
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Re: [css-d] Equivalent result of html "align left"

2007-07-13 Thread trevor bayliss
> I have been trying to use clear: left;  or clear: both; or
 clear:right; but to no avail
> and I´ve hit a css brick wall but really wanting to understand why
 this doesn´t work
> and how I can solve it. You can see exactly what I am aiming for on
 the page
> http://216.219.94.105/index.cfm which was done with tables. TIA
>
~~~

You are so-o-o-o close, Trevor.
Delete those "clear: both;" declarations from #block-col-2,
 #block-col-4
and so on. Well, that does it in Opera 9. Did not try other browsers.

Cordially,
David
--
 
  Thanks for the reply David, I tried removing all the div block clears but 
with no luck and it didn´t work for some reason. What I did instead is move the 
image tag into the p and that sort things out a bit (national and international 
panels in the middle of the page) http://216.219.94.105/t_embeded_js.htm so it 
is now  As you can see this is nearly there but I still 
need to get the equivalent effect of align left of the image (I don´t know how 
to express it any other way there must be a more technical way of saying it).
  TIA

   
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[css-d] Equivalent result of html "align left"

2007-07-12 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all,
  In the webpage: http://216.219.94.105/t_embeded_js.htm I have been trying to 
organize the code that is in the International and National panels so that the 
images are aligned to the left of the  and  tags:
   
  
Pharmacia Upjohn(now Pfizer)
 Medico-Legal and political advice.
   
   
I have been trying to use clear: left;  or clear: both; or clear:right; 
  but to no avail and I´ve hit a css brick wall but really wanting to 
understand why this doesn´t work and how I can solve it. You can see exactly 
what I am aiming for on the page http://216.219.94.105/index.cfm which was done 
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[css-d] Table internal borders

2007-07-12 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

Sample table can be seen at
  http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bdf02c11e5.gif

My question relates to the junction between the black bottom border of the
table heading row and the grey side border of the two columns. It's partly
grey and partly black, and I'd like it to be wholly black.

The CSS rules which have produced this result are here:

  /* NB IE doesn't inherit font size into tables */
  table { font-size: 1em; }

  table {
border: thin solid black;
border-collapse: collapse;
margin-top: 0.5em;
margin-bottom: 0.5em;
  }

  th {
padding: 0.25em 0.5em;
border-bottom: thin solid black;
border-left: thin solid #C8C8C8;
border-right: thin solid #C8C8C8;
  }

  td {
padding: 0.25em 0.5em;
border: thin solid #C8C8C8;
  }

The browser from which I took the screen capture is IE6.

Is there something I have defined inaccurately?

Cheers
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-07-11 Thread trevor bayliss


Mark Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Gary 
Benson wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please? I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> may have.
>
> If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
>
> http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary
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Hi Gary,

It looks good in FF 2.0.0.4 (Mac) and Safari 2.0.4. Nice and clean.

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[css-d] Top nav-please ignore last navigation post

2007-07-11 Thread trevor bayliss
I am having a problem with my top nav http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm.
   
  The width of the ul that I have id="topnav" doesn´t fit accross the whole 
header div and is centred in firefox and aligned to the left in IE:
  The html without all the li tags:
  
  
  

Home

  
  

  I have tried changing the width if the #topnav a but it gets to a point where 
it goes onto two lines. I have tried changing the width of the #top nav ul to 
pixels to be the same size as the page div (at the moment in red to make it 
easy to see) but to no avail. I am stuck on this one. Thanks for any pointers.

 
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Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread trevor bayliss


tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  At 11:55 AM +0100 7/10/07, Ian Young wrote:
>Where in the code are you experiencing the problem? I have tried several
>examples of having "white" instead of "#fff" in various places in the menu
>code (based on yours). Doesn't matter if it is in li or li hover, still
works in IE6.

It doesn't fail in my regular drop-down menu (as described on my 
site), but rather something I am working on.

It's strange -- I just wanted to see if anyone else encountered the 
same problem.

Cheers,

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Hey tedd can you put up a page then which shows this problem. Even if you are 
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[css-d] Header navigation

2007-07-10 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi list,
  I am trying to get the navigation in my header: 
  http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm
   
  to look like it does in my earlier version pre-better layout:
  http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm
   
  Here is the css and html-it all validates but the tabs don´t "fill out" the 
header div and the border goes to the top of the div not the navigation. Maybe 
I should put a new id on the ul instead? 
  Thanks for any pointer greatly appreciated :
   
  /*top nav css*/
#header { border-top: #d8e1e9 4px solid; margin: 9px 0px 0px; width: auto
/*border-bottom: 1px solid #ddd;*/ }
#header ul { /*margin: 0; padding: 0; font-size: 90%;*/ }
#header li { list-style-type: none; padding-right: 15px; display: inline; 
background: #849eb3 no-repeat 
  left top; float: left; width: auto; height: auto}
#header a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; background: 
no-repeat left top; font: 
  11px/20px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; width: 84px; color: #fff; text-align: 
center }
#header a:hover {background: #fcda2e no-repeat left top; text-decoration: none}
#header a.selected {background: #fcda2e no-repeat left top; text-decoration: 
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Re: [css-d] How to put divs in a div not validating

2007-07-10 Thread trevor bayliss
Thanks George that works a treat- for some reason I didn´t get rid of it 
earlier as I thought it was an integral part of the whole structure. Validates 
a treat now.

"George S. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 12:28, 
trevor bayliss wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I have a problem that is maybe not fixable. I have a div with three divs 
> inside it which doesn´t validate. The divs are there for ajax reasons but 
> this is still a css question I believe as it is about the divs. The problem 
> can be seen at this webpage:
> http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm

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[css-d] How to put divs in a div not validating

2007-07-10 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi everyone,
  I have a problem that is maybe not fixable. I have a div with three divs 
inside it which doesn´t validate. The divs are there for ajax reasons but this 
is still a css question I believe as it is about the divs. The problem can be 
seen at this webpage:
  http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm
   
  The issue is with gw_aTabs divs-the error I get validating is on each of the 
gw_aTab(s) "document type does not allow element "div" here; missing one of 
"object", "ins", "del", "map", "button" start-tag.
   

  


  
   
   
  
  
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[css-d] Thanks David Laakso

2007-07-04 Thread trevor bayliss
I know that the moderators will not like the fact that I am sending an maybe 
off topic email but hey you only live once!(ok maybe twice but that is for 
another forum!) I think I speak for all the people who have come to the list 
looking for help that David Laakso is a constant excellent list member who has 
very kindly replied to hundreds of questions and I want to personally thank him.
   
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Re: [css-d] Trouble with footer on five column layout

2007-07-01 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi David
  Thanks I have done that and validated it http://216.219.94.105/stuff.htm


David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  trevor bayliss wrote:
> I am using David Laakso´s Chealseacreekstudio five column layout which 
> can be seen here: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/stuff.html 
> For some reason the footer in firefox doesn´t go to the bottom of the 
> page. Also I would like to move the c1 div (the h3 column) from the 
> left to the right. Any comments greatly accepted as to how I can 
> improve thie css on this page.
>
> The webpage:
> http://216.219.94.105/stuff.htm
>




Slow down. Let's take it one step at a time. Start by switching the 
columns first. Download this layout [1].

These two changes will switch the columns:

#wrapper { float: /*right*/left; width: 100%; margin-left: -188px; }

#c1 { float: /*left*/right; width: 186px; }

Do not change, add to, or otherwise modify the css or the markup of [1].

You have an image and h2 and a p for each of four sections. Add those items to 
each of the four sections. 

re-write these:

to read:



  Healthcare
  Hospitals, Personnel, Equipment, Pathology Services and Casualty Evacuation


When you've finished only that much, validate the file, and write back-- and 
we'll go from there.


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[css-d] Trouble with footer on five column layout

2007-07-01 Thread trevor bayliss
I am using David Laakso´s Chealseacreekstudio five column layout which can be 
seen here: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/stuff.html For some reason 
the footer in firefox doesn´t go to the bottom of the page. Also I would like 
to move the c1 div (the h3 column) from the left to the right. Any comments 
greatly accepted as to how I can improve thie css on this page.

The webpage:
 http://216.219.94.105/stuff.htm


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Re: [css-d] I want to make my nav bar look like the included image

2007-06-30 Thread trevor bayliss
Have a play around with this it may help
  http://www.w3c.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd";>



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html {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; 
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ul {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; 
  padding-top: 0px}
ol {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; 
  padding-top: 0px}
body {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background: #ff repeat-x 50% 
  top; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; 
font: 0.6875em tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; padding-top: 0px}
img {border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; 
  border-right-width: 0px}
a {color: #7f99ae; text-decoration: none}
a:hover {text-decoration: underline}
#width { margin-left: 10px; width: 850px; margin-right: auto; text-align: left; 
 
  min-height: 100%}
p.last{  font-size:0.8em; border-top:.1em solid #000; margin:0; width:100%; 
  padding:.1em 1em; color: #777; background: #ccc; } 
#topnav {border-top: #fcda2e 4px solid; margin: 9px 0px 0px; width: auto}
#topnav LI { display: inline; background: #849eb3 no-repeat left top; float: 
  left; width: auto; height: auto}
#topnav A {border-right: white 1px solid; display: block; background: no-repeat 
  left top; font: 11px/20px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; 
width: 84px; color: #fff; text-align: center}
li.empty{ background: black no-repeat left top; width: 1px; height: auto; }
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[css-d] Thread answered:What is the equivalent of font-size:11px?

2007-06-29 Thread trevor bayliss
Thank you all for your help, Mark and Confusion were on the spot. I am sorry if 
I annoyed you David I really appreciate your opinion and I am implementing your 
very VALUABLE solutions. 
   
  Mark Story <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I haven't read all the replies yet. But a really good way to get 
consistent fonts is to set
body {
font-size:62.5%
}

This along with other resets makes all your fonts equivalent to 10px. 
This not only allows you to make nice em sizes like 1.2em for 12 px 
etc. But also allows you do your entire layout in ems should you choose 
to do so. As for the specific issue you are having check your 
line-heights as well that is often a source of height discrepancies 
between browsers. Personally I think the difference on your pages is 
fine, and not shockingly different. Since you are allowing the user to 
resize text, there is the possibility for them to muck up the design no 
matter how hard you try to make it perfect. So a little varience is fine.

-Mark

trevor bayliss wrote:
> I am continuing my css journey and have been playing around with this and 
> can´t seem to get the right results using ems or font-size:small on my body 
> css: 
> body {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background: #ff repeat-x 50% 
> top; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; font: 11px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; 
> color: #4d4d4d; padding-top: 0px}
>
> I just want the text under the text under the headlines in these screengrabs 
> to look exactly the same but not using pixels. From a visual perspective all 
> my em and other attempts look damn ugly and the only thing that looks pro is 
> pixels (which I can´t use because they don´t resize in IE):
> 
> http://216.219.94.105/ie.jpg
> 
> http://216.219.94.105/firefox.jpg
> 
> TIA



   
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Re: [css-d] What is the equivalent of font-size:11px?

2007-06-29 Thread trevor bayliss
With respect David you are wrong and this is NOT the same question. This has 
nothing to do with any other question it is a simple font question and asking 
how to get the same effect as font size 11px with ems or percentages. Just 
because I haven´t implemented your 5 column layout doesn´t mean that I haven´t 
read the other answers and doesn´t mean that I am not implementing the ideas. 
   
  
David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  trevor bayliss wrote:
> I am continuing my css journey and have been playing around with this and 
> can´t seem to get the right results using ems or font-size:small on my body 
> css: 
> body {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background: #ff repeat-x 50% 
> top; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; font: 11px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; 
> color: #4d4d4d; padding-top: 0px}
>
> I just want the text under the text under the headlines in these screengrabs 
> to look exactly the same but not using pixels. From a visual perspective all 
> my em and other attempts look damn ugly and the only thing that looks pro is 
> pixels (which I can´t use because they don´t resize in IE):
> 
> http://216.219.94.105/ie.jpg
> 
> http://216.219.94.105/firefox.jpg
> 
> TIA
>
>
> 


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Your question(s) have been answered under different subject lines by 
several knowledgeable and talented list members over the past 10 or 12 
days. Some of us have answered your question(s) more than once. One of 
us provided an explanation and a layout that resolved the issues you 
have. Sooner or latter you have to bite the bullet and read the replies 
to your various posts. And do something different than re-writing the 
same question(s) over again under a different subject line.

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[css-d] What is the equivalent of font-size:11px?

2007-06-28 Thread trevor bayliss
I am continuing my css journey and have been playing around with this and can´t 
seem to get the right results using ems or font-size:small on my body css:   
  body {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background: #ff repeat-x 50% 
  top; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; font: 11px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; 
  color: #4d4d4d; padding-top: 0px}

  I just want the text under the text under the headlines in these screengrabs 
to look exactly the same but not using pixels. From a visual perspective all my 
em and other attempts look damn ugly and the only thing that looks pro is 
pixels (which I can´t use because they don´t resize in IE):
   
  http://216.219.94.105/ie.jpg
   
  http://216.219.94.105/firefox.jpg
   
  TIA

   
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Re: [css-d] Best way for text when enlarged

2007-06-27 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi David and all,
 Sorry I put up the wrong link
  http://216.219.94.105/indextest.cfm
   
  I am playing around with all the great pointers I have been given. There seem 
to be a lot fo different opinions on this one so I will always be doing it 
wrong in somebody´s eyes I suppose! 
  Re-writing: David I am going to have a crack at implementing your 5 col 
layout and see how I go with that. 
   
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Re: [css-d] Best way for text when enlarged

2007-06-25 Thread trevor bayliss
Thanks a lot for all your replies what a large topic but essential to 
understand. I have been playing around with various percentages, medium, em for 
sizes and I am still on the case and before I rewrite the design again,settling 
at present for 100% for body text. However, even though I have avoided ems in 
my present code it seems impossible to get IE to resize text. I know that IE 
has a bug but I was told it would work with anything other than px. Here´s the 
offending css and a link to the page http://216.219.94.105/ 
  Thanks for any pointers in advance everyone
   
  html {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 
0px; padding-top: 0px}
ul {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; 
padding-top: 0px}
ol {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; 
padding-top: 0px}
body {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background: #ff repeat-x 50% 
top; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; font: 100% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; 
color: #4d4d4d; padding-top: 0px}
img {border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; 
border-right-width: 0px}
h1 {font-size: 19%}
h2 {font-size: 15%}
h3 {font-size: medium; font:tahoma, arial, sans-serif}
a {color: #7f99ae; text-decoration: none}
a:hover {text-decoration: underline}
  


Ed Seedhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  On 6/21/07, Shark Attack Design wrote:
>
> I wonder what proportion of web users ever bother to adjust the default
> text size of their browser(s)? The preset default size is generally 16
> (I think Safari is different?) although I'm not sure what the units are
> for that default -- pixels? Points?
>
> I think that most people, if they were browsing a site that didn't
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> large. However, they never adjust their default setting because a) they
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I think the point is that for such people the default size at least does not
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with their default browser size at least won't offend them too badly, and
you don't know how they will react if you impose a size on them. In that
sense I argue that the browser default font size is the safest and least
likely to cause offense. And as we know if the page offends the user she is
likely to hit the home or back button and never return.

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[css-d] Table sizing - wide captions

2007-06-22 Thread Trevor Nicholls
This seems an awfully simple question yet I can't find a simple answer for
it.

My experience is that a browser will lay out a table - assuming there are no
width attributes - at a size that will fit all of the contents. Columns are
sized to fit the biggest "fixed" entry. Browsers generally do a pretty
reasonable job of it, but my problem is what happens when the caption is
much wider than the table rows. Here's an extreme example:

 
  A very long caption, longer than the table content
  
   A
   B
  
  
   C
   D
  
 

Is there a CSS solution (for IE, at least) which will prevent me seeing:

   A very
   long
   caption,
   longer
   than the
   table
   content
   
AB
CD
   

Or do I have to address this at the HTML level (ultimately this will be the
XML level, where various elements map onto tabular equivalents)?

Thanks for any pointers

Cheers
T


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Re: [css-d] Best way for text when enlarged

2007-06-20 Thread trevor bayliss
Thanks Luc!

Luc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Good afternoon trevor, 
It was foretold that on 20/6/2007 @ 12:09:17 GMT-0700 (PDT) (which was
16:09:17 where I live) trevor bayliss would write:



> On the body part of the css at the moment it is font 11px -what
> should I change it to some percent value?

I use a minimum of 76%.


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[css-d] Best way for text when enlarged

2007-06-20 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all,
  The text breaks up the page when I increase it´s size. 
On the body part of the css at the moment it is font 11px -what should I change 
it to some percent value? 
Thanks for any pointers 

body {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background: #ff repeat-x 50% 
top; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; font: 11px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; 
color: #4d4d4d; padding-top: 0px}

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Re: [css-d] Ideas for handling text with CSS

2007-06-20 Thread trevor bayliss
Have you tried   in your html?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has a link or information as how to best handle
text with CSS. By text I mean a line of text that may include 3 pieces of
information, like name, phone, and email address.

In the past, I always used tables for this, but want to handle this with
the use of CSS if possible.

I found a site that mentioned word-spacing, but that won't work because I
don't want a large amount of spacing between the first and last name.

Any suggestions or links are greatly appreciated.

Thanks! ;-)

Suzanne

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[css-d] Text-confused weak layout

2007-06-20 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all I am trying to initially sort out my text something I learned was wrong 
thanks to the help of the users of this list. I just need a few pointers 
because I am a bit confused: 
   
  On the body part of the css at the moment it is font 11px -I have seen that I 
should change it to 200% or something like that-what should I do? Thanks for 
pointers 
  
body {padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background: #ff repeat-x 50% 
top; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; font: 11px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; 
color: #4d4d4d; padding-top: 0px}
   
  http://216.219.94.105 
   
  Thanks for any ideas

   
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Re: [css-d] generated content "before" div

2007-06-16 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

Thanks for your helpful answers to this.

The "Q:" and "A:" prefixes were simply there as trivial examples of extra
content, I've been trying out a lot of different ways to present the Q&A
material and nothing which used before/after was working at all. I was
totally unaware that IE ignores these pseudo-elements so that is useful to
know, now!

The non-repeating image looks like a useful trick which I may use elsewhere,
thank you.

Cheers
T

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jukka K. Korpela
Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 3:39 a.m.
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] generated content "before" div

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

> The HTML I am styling uses classes to distinguish between questions and
> answers, like so:
>
>  ...
>  ...

For questions, it would be more suitable (for accessibility reasons and 
for logic) to make a question a heading (for the answer after it):

...

(You might not need a class if do things this way - perhaps there are no 
other  elements on the page.)

I mention this (in this list on CSS, despite its being a markup issue), 
because people often mistakenly assume that using  markup has 
undesired effects like too large and bold font size. You can, if you like, 
remove some or all of the default styling of  elements using CSS.
You would need to consider font-size, font-weight, and vertical margins.

>  div.question:before {
>display: block;
>content: "Q: ";
>  }

The :before pseudo-element and the content property are not supported by 
IE (even in IE 7), though they are rather well supported on other 
browsers.

You can simulate them, in this case, by setting a non-repeating background 
image, containing e.g. "Q:" in some appearance, and a suitable left 
padding for the question elements.

But maybe it's simplest to include the strings "Q: " and "A: " as document 
content. After all, they can be useful in all browsing situations, 
including non-CSS situations.

-- 
Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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[css-d] generated content "before" div

2007-06-16 Thread Trevor Nicholls
Hi

The HTML I am styling uses classes to distinguish between questions and
answers, like so:

  ...
  ...

where of course there may well be multiple paragraphs, tables, who knows
what elses, within any particular question or answer.

In my CSS
  div.question { ... }
  div.answer { ... }
are being applied correctly, but I am trying to generate some content at the
beginning of each question/answer, e.g. (a trivial example for test
purposes)

  div.question:before {
display: block;
content: "Q: ";
  }
  div.answer:before {
display: block;
content: "A: ";
  }

It's as though the before/after pseudo-elements and divs are incompatible,
although none of my CSS references (all the O'Reilly set, if it matters)
have anything to say about this. Is there some magic I'm missing?

Cheers
T


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[css-d] Netscape problems

2007-06-15 Thread trevor bayliss
My page is validated but I am having problems with the ajax divs for some 
reason they mess up with netscape:
  Netscape 4.78 (no Flash)  Windows 2000 Professional 
  Netscape 6.2.3 (No Flash)Windows XP 
  Netscape 6.2 (no Flash)   Windows 2000 Professional 
   
   
  How can I make them work in Netscape? Thank-you in advance
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[css-d] How to make bullet images "algin left"

2007-06-13 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all the list can be seen on this page it is the right navigation "list of 
clients".
  http://216.219.94.105/
   
  the list works fine in all browsers but when I have a client name that is two 
lines long e.g. Industrial Society (now Work Foundation) how do I make the 
bullet image start at the left of the first line and not inbetween the two as 
it is doing now? 
   
  #col2 {
 clear: right; padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; float: right; 
padding-bottom: 13px; padding-top: 20px; width: 150px}
#col2 ul {  list-style-type: none;
 margin-bottom: 13px;
 width: auto;
 border-right: #E6E6E6 1px solid;
 border-left: #E6E6E6 1px solid;
 border-top: #E6E6E6 1px solid;
 border-bottom: #E6E6E6 1px solid}
#col2 ul li {  background: url("images/menu.gif") 0 50% no-repeat; 
padding-left: 15px;  }
   
   
  Thank you for any advice
   
   
   
   

   
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[css-d] IE makes an extra border

2007-06-12 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all thanks for all your help I am really starting to understand the whole 
div/css thing. Now I design for opera and mozilla I have a small problem with 
the IE where it adds an extra border at the top of a div I have where the 
javascript tabs are gw_tabView1
which contains the tabs content in the various divs called : gw_aTab  
http://216.219.94.105/index.cfm
   
  It is fine in firefox and opera bvut in IE it adds an extra border at the 
top. 
   
  How can I sort this out?
   
  Thanks for any advice
   
   
  
 

   
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[css-d] How to make footers go to bottom of the page

2007-06-10 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all I am trying to work out hoe to put the following footer id : 
  #footer_home
   
  to the bottom of this page: http://216.219.94.105/index1.cfm
   
  IE is ok but as I know know is not standard compliant. Thanks

 
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[css-d] Firefox and Opera bug?

2007-06-10 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all, the .gw_aTab is not showing the same in size as in IE (the gain Gain a 
unique insight into your industry part with the border around it and the uk 
image).  http://216.219.94.105/index1.cfm
   
  The div .gw_aTab is not showing right in Opera and Firefox. In IE it is 
perfect and can be seen at this screen grab: 
http://216.219.94.105/lowres_grab_IE.jpg
  
At the moment it looks like this:
Firefox: http://216.219.94.105/lowres_grab_firefox.jpg 
Opera: http://216.219.94.105/lowres_grab_opera.jpg
  
..gw_aTab { border-right: #e5e5e5 1px solid; padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 
5px; padding-bottom: 0px; border-left: #e5e5e5 1px solid;
 padding-top: 0px;
 border-bottom: #e5e5e5 1px solid;
 font-size: 11px;
 font-family: tahoma, arial, sans-serif;
 float:none;
 height: auto
}
   
  How do I sort this display error out in firefox and opera? Thank you for any 
pointers

   
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