[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: [prj] ForeignCorrespondent NO WAY TO TREAT A HERO
-Original Message- From: Lee Markland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 1:15 AM Subject: [prj] ForeignCorrespondent NO WAY TO TREAT A "HERO" Foreign Correspondent Inside Track On World News By International Syndicated Columnist Broadcaster Eric Margolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] NO WAY TO TREAT A "HERO" By Eric Margolis December 3, 1998 NEW YORK - Last Monday evening, press mogul Conrad Black gave the mother of all parties, a gala chock-ablock with ex-prime ministers, media bigwigs, literati, luminati, very important people, and your columnist. At one fascinating juncture, I found myself deep in conversation over the arrest of Chile's Gen. Pinochet with Margaret Thatcher, Henry Kissinger, and Lord Carrington, the former British Foreign Secretary. Britain's detention of the retired Chilean strongman, who was travelling on a diplomatic passport, was outrageous, disgraceful, an injustice, and a very dangerous precedent, we all agreed. Baroness Thatcher was particularly bitter - and with good reason. Britain's Home Secretary, Jack Straw, could have rejected the Spanish request for extradition out of hand - before it became a "cause celebre" for the international left. Instead, Tony Blair's socialist government, that has been moving sharply to the right, decided to go ahead with this show trial in order to play to Britain's disgruntled left, which accuses Blair of being a traitorous closet conservative. Talk about stunning ingratitude. Gen. Pinochet's security forces are accused of killing some 3,000 Marxists during Chile's dirty civil war in the early 1970's. But soon after, Pinochet saved many thousands of British lives in the Falklands War between Great Britain and Argentina. Britain owes Pinochet an enormous debt of thanks. The British invasion force seeking to retake the remote Falklands came under intense air attack by the Argentine Air Force and Navy, which inflicted heavy losses on the British fleet using deadly Exocet missiles. It seemed only a matter of time before the two vital British carriers were sunk, or put out of action, depriving the invasion fleet of vital air cover, thus exposing it to total destruction by Argentine warplanes. Gen. Pinochet saved Britain from imminent disaster. The full story has never been publicly revealed. Pinochet secretly allowed Britain's Special Air Service units to be flown into Chile, and operate from Punta Arenas. The elite SAS teams infiltrated Argentina, and assaulted Argentine air bases, destroying scores of attack aircraft on the ground. The commando raids by SAS saved the British Fleet just as the invasion appeared doomed, turning the tide against the Argentines. Without Pinochet, Britain would have lost the Falklands War and suffered a bloody, humiliating defeat. Public anger in Argentina over the Falklands debacle provoked the fall of the military junta in Buenos Aires. The generals who ruled Argentina were guilty of vicious repression and human rights violations that made Chile's war against its own Marxist revolutionaries appear a minor skirmish. But you will never hear leftists acknowledge Pinochet's role in ridding Argentina of its military junta. Britain now shows its gratitude to the former Chilean leader and wartime ally by allowing him to be arrested on spurious charges when he is old and ill. I say shame on the Blair government, which dishonors Britain and all the soldiers, sailors, and pilots who fought in the Falklands. Shame, too, on Europe's hypocritical left, that now bays for the blood of Great Satan Pinochet. The same Spanish court that charged Pinochet, refused a similar charge against Fidel Castro, who was being grandly received in Spain at the very same time. The numbers of Cubans executed, tortured, and imprisoned by Castro's regime make charges against Pinochet look trivial. Thanks to Pinochet, Chile is a thriving democracy today; Cuban remains a totalitarian Stalinist state. Kurdish Marxist chief, Abdullah Ocalan, whose PKK bands slaughtered more than 30,000 civilians in Turkey, has taken refuge in Italy. Turkey's demands Ocalan be extradited have been refused by Italy's new communist-led government - on "humanitarian" grounds. Clearly, if Pinochet had been named "Che" Pinochet, and he had overthrown a right-wing government instead of a Marxist regime, he would today be feted across socialist Europe as a hero and champion of human rights. Copyright Margolis, December 1998 *** * *** * --- To receive Foreign Correspondent via email send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message in the body: subscribe foreignc To get off the list, send to the same address but write: unsubscribe foreignc WWW:
[CTRL] SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY +
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www2.eridu.co.uk/eridu/news.html A HREF="http://www2.eridu.co.uk/eridu/news.html"Latest News/A - SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY - A PERSONAL COMMENT BY ALAN F. ALFORD During 1997-98, the 'new-age' gang of Robert Bauval, Graham Hancock and John A. West negotiated a peace treaty with the Egyptologists at Giza (Zawi Hawass, Mark Lehner et al), and everyone now appears to be on surprisingly good terms. An ongoing dialogue now exists between the two sides, with RB, GH JAW setting themselves up as a kind of unofficial 'Opposition Party'. The next phase of this dialogue will occur at the Mena House Hotel, Cairo, in January 1999, when both sides will debate the age of the Sphinx and the astronomical significance of the structures at Giza. There is, however, a potential downside to this outbreak of cordial relations, and this is well illustrated by the 'personal tours' of the Great Pyramid which Dr Hawass has been giving to RB, GH, JAW and, in some cases, to their wives too. In particular, Hawass has gone to great lengths to erect the necessary ladders and lighting to enable GH and JAW to personally inspect the so-called 'Construction Chambers' above the King's Chamber (this is where the graffiti containing Khufu's names is found). This is a rare privilege indeed, which precious few mortals have ever experienced. The outcome is intriguing - both JW and GH have now reversed their previous opinions and declared that the cartouches of Khufu's name are genuine. In other words, they are now certain that Khufu built the Great Pyramid. And yet it staggers belief to think that JAW and GH suddenly became experts on hieroglyphic writing and criminal detection the moment they set foot in those chambers. Did they lose their critical faculties? Or did they see some miraculous evidence that no-one has ever seen before? What could they possibly have seen or been told that was so persuasive? If it was (as is claimed) the masons' marks which can be seen between the joints in the stones, then this proves absolutely nothing about the Khufu cartouches on the face of the stones (these are entirely separate matters). So what on Earth has happened here? Sleeping with the enemy is a dangerous game. Hard and objective thinking has a tendency to go soft and fuzzy when it plays second fiddle to personal rapprochement. Compromise is only a win-win situation for the egos of those involved. Truth is always the loser. I therefore await with trepidation the outcome of the Giza debate in January 1999. I had previously thought that we could rely on Bauval, Hancock and West to kick butt against the Egyptologists, but now I question their objectivity. Personally I felt more comfortable when the two sides were spitting blood at each other. At least then we knew that the battle was real. But as soon as politics takes centre stage, no-one knows who or what to believe! ALAN F. ALFORD, 15th SEPTEMBER 1998 HANCOCK'S NEW BOOK TV SERIES - A PERSONAL COMMENT BY ALAN F. ALFORD The most significant part of Hancock's new book concerns the temples at Angkor Wat in Cambodia, and their possible alignment to the stars of the constellation Draco. Hancock claims an amazing correlation, which he further claims was exact at 10500 BC - the same date as deduced by Bauval Gilbert for the pyramids-Orion correlation at Giza. If true, this discovery is of profound importance. And as with all important new 'discoveries', it simply won't do for critics to ignore it or 'sit on the fence'. So let's kick off this debate with some salient observations. (1) One of the most distinctive features of Draco (the dragon) is its 'head' - a quadrilateral and irregular 'box'. On this most distinctive feature, Hancock's supposed correlation fails the test. There is no such head or box formed by the position of the temples at Angkor (see p.127 or p.130 or p.169 of his book). (2) One of the stars in the 'head' of the dragon is Nu - a double star which is easily separable with binoculars. If the site of Angkor was mapped out by a race with the astronomical abilities hypothesised by Hancock, we would expect to see evidence of this double-star on the ground. But we don't (as above, so NOT below, in this case). (3) The tail of Draco the dragon, as shown in Hancock's maps, turns away at an angle. This does not seem to match the temples which appear in what is virtually a straight line. (4) It is not at all clear which two stars are supposed to match the temples of Neak Pean and Ta Sohm. Hancock is not justified in including these in his 15 correspondences. (5) Of the 14 remaining 'correspondences', the 3 temples near Roluos stand separate from the others. Hancock matches these with 3 minor stars. These are three stars among numerous minor stars, and it is simply not scientific to claim a sky-ground match in this case. (6) Of the 11 remaining 'correspondences', one star stands alone supposedly matching Deneb (the brightest star of Cygnus).
[CTRL] Interview with Alan F Alford
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www2.eridu.co.uk/eridu/interview.html A HREF="http://www2.eridu.co.uk/eridu/interview.html"Interview with Alan F Alford/A - AN INTERVIEW WITH ALAN F ALFORD (Author of "Gods of the New Millennium" "The Phoenix Solution") By Jon East 20th July 1998 JE: "Firstly, I must say that this is a really excellent jacket design on your new book. Presumably the fire around the pyramid is evoking the Phoenix rising from the ashes?" AFA: "Yes, Hodders [Hodder Stoughton] have done a great job there, although I do take credit for the idea of the fire surrounding the pyramid. But it's not so much evoking the rise of the Phoenix, as the ascension of the Egyptian king to heaven, via a reversal of the catastrophic 'act of creation', when fiery fragments of the planet Osiris fell to the Earth. Hence the gate of fire which had to be passed through to get back to heaven. As for the Sun on the horizon, well that represents the Egyptian symbol of death and rebirth. Not of the Sun itself - that would be too obvious - but the more profound death and rebirth of a planet which exploded and then rose from its ashes by reincarnation in the Earth. That is the idea behind the Phoenix." JE: "OK, and that is the basic theme behind the book isn't it? That the Egyptian religion was an exploded planet cult." AFA: "Right. It sounds so mundane when you put it like that, but actually it happens to be an extremely controversial conclusion, because it overturns just about everything we thought we knew about ancient Egypt. For the last 170 years, Egyptologists have assured us that Egyptian religion was a confusing mixture of solar and stellar cults, whereas in reality the Sun and the stars were merely visible symbols for the invisible - a planet, or rather two planets, which exploded 250 and 65 million years ago." JE: "And what makes your theory so exciting, if I understand this right, is the long string of coincidences between Egyptian beliefs and modern astronomical research." AFA: "So much so that they are unlikely to be 'coincidences' at all. We have a clear description in Egyptian mythology of a confrontation between two planets - a watery planet and a red planet; and myths which describe their 'dismemberment' or explosion. And scientific data backs that up exactly - the encounter scenario, the explosions which formed the asteroid belts, and the evidence of water from one planet, and red asteroids from the other. In addition, the myths describe a 2:1 satellite exchange between the two planets, and that is in absolute accordance with the laws of celestial dynamics. And then we have several legends of moons exploding and one of them ravaging mankind, and that is backed up by evidence that a moon from one of these planets did explode as recently as 3 million years ago. Furthermore, we have a description of the Earth becoming an 'Island of Fire' as a result of the meteoric impacts, and that is almost exactly the terminology used by geologists to describe the Earth after the multiple impacts 65mya - when the dinosaurs were wiped out. We also have legends of a huge flood of cold water falling to the Earth, and this too is exactly what would happen following the explosion of a watery planet. Even the sequence of the two explosions was correctly recorded by the Egyptians, who named one planet Osiris and the other Isis. Hence Sirius, the star of Isis, rose on the horizon after Orion, the star of Osiris, whilst in mythology Isis came searching for Osiris inside the Earth after he had abandoned her." JE: "So you are suggesting that the Egyptians possessed a well-developed scientific knowledge of astronomy." AFA: "Absolutely. I think that anyone who denies this is being blinkered by prejudice and preconceptions. But one can understand their reluctance, because this level of science is something that we have only recently rediscovered by using telescopes and space probes." JE: "Hmmm. It's a real paradox. But as you point out in your book, so is the Great Pyramid, and no-one can deny the fantastic science that went into its construction - thousands of years ago." AFA: "Yes, until now the Great Pyramid has stood alone in Egypt as evidence of a 'lost civilisation' with a fantastic scientific knowledge. But what 'The Phoenix Solution' does is to completely corroborate this idea. It's the software alongside the hardware, as it were - and it now makes the case for a 'lost race' virtually irrefutable." JE: "I must say that you have countered all the objections to the lost civilisation in a brilliant and very academic style. You have also done a very thorough hatchet job on the idea that the Egyptians built the [Great] Pyramid." AFA: "Well I wouldn't call it a hatchet job. What I've done is to try and weigh up the evidence scientifically. I've shown on the one hand how the orthodox case rests entirely on a highly dubious, fraudulent set of inscriptions. And on the other hand, I've discovered
Re: [CTRL] [2] The Last Circle
-Caveat Lector- I did not receive Chapter 1 -The Last Circle--Would you please e-mail it to me? Thanks SHAYSA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [15] The Last Circle (last chapter)
-Caveat Lector- Can you send the following Chapter of the Last Circle in "DownLoad mode" instead of regular? Chapters: 1,2,3,4,5,8,14 Thanks in advance SHAYSA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CLINTON'S MOCKERY
-Caveat Lector- forwarded message From: The Progressive Review [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 Subj: UNDERNEWS Dec 2 The Progressive Review On-Line Report From Washington's Most Unofficial Source SAFIRE ON BILL What Clinton has done in his mocking answers to 81 questions is to fling down a gauntlet: Impeach me if you dare. If you dare not, then the only adjectives acceptable to me in a shame-on-you- resolution are "indefensible" and "wrong" about my initial behavior and "misled" about my subsequent denials under oath (not 'lied' and certainly never 'unlawful'). You have my permission to be cross, goes this message -- but not judgmental. -- William Safire 81 ANSWERS Mr. Clinton is asking members to decide whether lying and dissembling are a sufficient defense for a president accused of lying and dissembling. -- Washington Post editorial WHITEWATER RIPPLES "Someone close to the President" explained to the New York Post's Neal Travis, why the White House wants censure: "Censure means nothing. Why, the next time there's a Democratic-controlled Congress, they could have the censure expunged from the Congressional Record." Attorney Christopher Horner offered the Washington Times' John McCaslin this take on the warped logic of the Clintonistas: "Lie under oath - bad. Lie under oath about sex or to facilitate your sex life -- fine. Steal a car -- bad. Steal a car to have sex in, or get to your sex -- fine. Rob a bank -- bad. Rob a bank and use the proceeds to assist with sex -- fine. Do anything you want illegal; but ensure that at some point in the process you have some sex; you are then off the hook." . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New twist in O.J. saga (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19981203_xe
Title: New twist in O.J. saga | | | | THURSDAYDECEMBER 031998 New twist in O.J. saga More from 'hitman' who says Kardashian hired him to kill Nicole By David M. Bresnahan 1998 WorldNetDaily.com This is the first of an ongoing series of stories based on a seven-month WorldNetDaily investigation into the events surrounding the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. The investigation includes exclusive interviews, conducted in person and by telephone, with key witness Bill Wasz, now serving time in a high-security prison for other crimes. Law-enforcement officials ignored -- even covered up -- significant evidence that a gangster was hired to kill Nicole Brown Simpson, WorldNetDaily has learned. That evidence and testimony has been in the possession of the Los Angeles Police Department and the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office from the time of the murder and throughout the famous O.J. Simpson trial. As reported in WorldNetDaily last May, Bill Wasz claims he was hired by Robert Kardashian, O.J. Simpson's friend and attorney, to kill Nicole Brown Simpson. Wasz says he never intended to carry out the contract hit for which he received partial payment. He says Kardashian first paid him to follow Ms. Simpson and take pictures of her with other men. He was then offered $15,000 to kill her, Wasz charges. Instead, he says, he stole money from Kardashian and was soon arrested in another crime. Wasz claims he was replaced as the hired gun by someone else shortly after he was arrested. Police and prosecutors have apparently ignored Wasz's statements and corroborating evidence, even though Wasz says they knew about everything from the time of the murder. There have been several attempts on Wasz's life since his arrest. He has frequently expressed fear that he would be killed to silence him. It's the cops I'm afraid of, he said of concerns for his life. But now he believes his only protection is to become as public as he can. He believes the more people who know about him the more difficult it will be for officials to keep ignoring the case. He is hopeful people will write to him in prison, as well as to elected officials to demand that federal authorities investigate. What are his motivations? Why has he granted seven months of in-depth interviews about every detail of his life? He says he wants justice. He says Kardashian belongs behind bars, and the police and prosecutors who have purposely withheld the truth from the court should be held accountable. He has at least five more years before he is eligible for parole, and he is working hard to be a new man when he gets out. He is looking for religion, and says he knows he must change if he is to ever have a chance to make it without returning to a life of crime. In an interview from the Calipatria State Prison in California, Wasz made it very clear that he does not want anything in return for the evidence he has on Kardashian. That evidence not only implicates Kardashian in the Simpson murder, it also includes participation in organized-crime activities. He explains that there is a kind of honor among thieves, and he says Kardashian is without that honor. I just want to see him go down, says Wasz. That's all. All these guys playing golf in Beverly Hills laughing about me doing 20 freaking years when they have no concept of honor and dignity, where they could, at least, if they're going to let me do all this time, and if I have this knowledge, they could at least look out for me, which they didn't. You know what I mean? They have
[CTRL] How 'hitman' met Simpson (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19981204_
Title: How 'hitman' met Simpson | | | | FRIDAYDECEMBER 041998 THE O.J. COVER-UP -- Part 2 How 'hitman' met Simpson Wasz says he was first hired to supply cocaine to Nicole Editor's note: This is the second part of an ongoing series of stories based on a seven-month WorldNetDaily investigation into the events surrounding the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. The investigation includes exclusive interviews, conducted in person and by telephone, with key witness Bill Wasz, now serving time in a high-security prison for other crimes. By David M. Bresnahan 1998, WorldNetDaily.com It was in late October 1993 when Bill Wasz, 35, was introduced to Robert Kardashian and O.J. Simpson by a bouncer in the Roxbury Club in Los Angeles. Wasz remembers the bouncer's name as Steve, and claims he was once a professional hockey player. Wasz had a thriving cocaine business. He had various contacts in clubs, like Steve, who would introduce him to people who wanted drugs. That night he was introduced to Kardashian and O.J. because, he says, the young women who were with them wanted cocaine. Robert Kardashian struck up a conversation with me and informed me that he was with his friend O.J., who he went and retrieved for me to meet. I was introduced, then Kardashian gave me $350 for the eighth (of cocaine), explained Wasz. The meeting only lasted a few minutes. Wasz gave Kardashian his phone number and departed. Over the next several months he would be called upon many times by both Kardashian and O.J. Evidence obtained by WorldNetDaily shows that Kardashian and O.J. did frequent the Roxbury, and charge card receipts show they were there during the time Wasz claims they met. A witness has also verified the meeting. Kardashian at one time denied being there. Within days of the initial meeting, Wasz says, Kardashian personally phoned and asked him to deliver cocaine to the home of O.J. He stated that O.J. was in need of some coke and that I should drive to his home and ring the intercom box. I asked how much O.J. needed and was told an eighth. I stated the price would be $350 and asked for directions to his home, described Wasz of the first of many purchases. He was given O.J.'s private number in case he needed to call for better directions. Wasz rang the bell, spoke to O.J. and waited in his car to make the sale. He says O.J. joined him in the car where they made the exchange. It was at that time that O.J. mentioned he was with a young woman and how excited she was to be with him. He wanted an ego injection of some sort from me and that's simply not me. My ego alone is enough for me to handle, let alone his, said Wasz, who is 190 pounds, 6'6 and blond. He describes himself as extremely attractive to women. That was the first of many transactions which took place outside the Rockingham home, according to Wasz. On two of those occasions Wasz says O.J. sent Nicole out to make the purchase. She struck me as somewhat of a talker, and self-confident to the extreme, remembered Wasz. He said she liked talking about antiques, but she also made no secret about the fact that she and O.J. would personally make use of the cocaine she was buying. When no mention of it (use of cocaine) came out in the trial, I was sort of shocked that they would disregard such an important factor, commented Wasz of the trial of the century. Important because in order to understand what was going on you have to equate the reality of the situation and not glorify the cause of battered women. Granted, it is a problem in America, but one cannot exclude what
Re: [CTRL] Time complot 2000
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/98 11:14:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The traditional chronology of early Jewish history fundamentally quotes or cites the genealogy of the Bible. The Egyptian chronology cites the kings list of Manethos and the available hieroglyphics. The first archaeological date taken as absolutely defined was until now the destruction of Thebes by Assurbanipal in 664 BC (common era). Before that is a vast gaping discrepancy as Egyptian and Jewish chronology dont have a consistent synchronised connection. The Hyksos invasion in Egypt dated 1759 BC and the exodus of the Israelites with Moses from Egypt to 1210 BC Not such a new idea. Immanuel Velikovsky explored this in his "Ages In Chaos." Had establishment science not been totally dedicated to eradicating Velikovsky's ideas, things could have been set straight long ago, but validating Velikovsky would not do anyone's career any good. Stealing his ideas as one's own is permissable, however, since everyone in academia knows the man never existed. Anything he spoke about can still be considered original work. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A cockroach remedy for Snow Owl
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/5/98 5:15:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You may be above the flea line. They can't survive (or the eggs can't survive) above 5000 feet. I'm at 7000 ft and not a flea in sight all summer long anywhere. Additionally, rattle snakes don't usually go above 5000 ft either unless it is particularly dry and they go in search of water from the mountain springs/streams I'm not above the flea line here. I live on the shores of Lake Erie. No fleas in my house. My girlfriend no longer has fleas in her house. She lives in the country and has two dogs. The only expert on this sort of thing I ever met, says the fleas are killed by a kind of dehydration that the borax fumes cause. Whatever it is, it works and it is cheap. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A COCKROACH REMEDY FOR SNOW OWL
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 5 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But beware, pennyroyal is a strong abortificant, so pregnant women should handle it or be exposed to it. I've heard some warnings from vets too. It seems that it can cause similar troubles to animals. Prudy I perhaps should have been more clear in my statement...no breeding female of ANY species should be exposed to pennyroyal if there is a chance she is pregnant, as the abortificant properties apply to all species. As for fleas, diatomaceous earth works, too...just sprinkle the garden-grade variety on the animal (make sure it's garden-grade, which is ground fine enough as to not harm the animal if it licks it off)... This stuff works for garden slugs, too...it's basically like little knives slicing into the bugs' bodies, so they go elsewhere... This could also be the reason you didn't have fleas where you lived... if the soil was comprised of enough silica, it would have been mighty uncomfortable to most bugs... But not, I believe, to roaches...they are so 'armored' that the glass particles wouldn't effect them...and apparantly they can digest the stuff with no problems... June *===* HAPPY SINTERKLAAS DAY! (may you only find treats in your shoe!) .-'-, ___`\/!/_=.'_ \`' `-x/_.'x-~ \ \` |\ hjw_`./_ `--"---' Wanna jazz up your mail? Try Flump's Ascii - www.xs4all.nl/~klr *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A COCKROACH REMEDY FOR SNOW OWL
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, E Mael wrote: But beware, pennyroyal is a strong abortificant, so pregnant women should handle it or be exposed to it. I've heard some warnings from vets too. It seems that it can cause similar troubles to animals. Prudy what is pennyroyal and where can it be obtained? It's a plant (herb?), and it's oil can be bought wherever essential oils are sold...try your local healthfood stores... June *===* HAPPY SINTERKLAAS DAY! (may you only find treats in your shoe!) .-'-, ___`\/!/_=.'_ \`' `-x/_.'x-~ \ \` |\ hjw_`./_ `--"---' Wanna jazz up your mail? Try Flump's Ascii - www.xs4all.nl/~klr *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Possible Santa Conspiracy Uncovered
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Dan S wrote: (CNNS, 12/05/98) -- Sherman Skolnick III, grandson of Chicago-area researcher Sherman Skolnick, has issued a press release in which the 7-year-old investigator insists that there is no Santa Claus. "It's all a plot by adults. They are all lying to us. There is no Santa Claus," said the young Skolnick. This is propaganda from the same labs that suggested the Easter Bunny isn't real. Santa continues to bring me toys and partake of the snacks I leave for him. And SOMEONE left treats in my shoes last night...if not Sinterklaas (Santa's original name, before Immigration anglicized it at Ellis Island), then WHO? Brian Redman is Santa Claus, and he's sick of bringing us gifts. Not so much sick of bringing us gifts, just in desperate need of vacationMrs. Claus has made arrangements for the both of them to get away to Cancun after the first of the year... June *===* HAPPY SINTERKLAAS DAY! (may you only find treats in your shoe!) .-'-, ___`\/!/_=.'_ \`' `-x/_.'x-~ \ \` |\ hjw_`./_ `--"---' Wanna jazz up your mail? Try Flump's Ascii - www.xs4all.nl/~klr *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds And FDIC To Monitor All Your Personal Financial Activities
-Caveat Lector- Feds And FDIC To Monitor All Your Personal Financial Activities 12-1-98 The following is direct quote from the first page of FDIC document (6174-01) (12 CFR Part 326) Notice of proposed rulemaking. "SUMMARY: The FDIC is proposing to issue a regulation requiring insured nonmember banks to adopt and maintain "Know Your Customer" programs. As proposed, the regulation would require each nonmember bank to develop a program designed to determine the identity of its customers; determine its customers' sources of funds; determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers; monitor account activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and expected transactions; and report any transactions of its customers that are determined to be suspicious, in accordance with the FDIC's existing suspicious activity reporting regulation. ---" The things to be very concerned about in this case are the PROFILE PARAMETERS that in turn define the various limits that when exceed, qualify as an exception to the norm and thus must be reported to another federal agency, as a suspicious transaction. There is virtually no limit to the number or type of profile parameters that can be established. For example, is the customer an 8 foot tall white male weighing in excess of 400 pounds or is the customer a four foot tall black female weighing less than 90 pounds. The question or questions (and there are many questions) then becomes, who will be responsible for establishing, defining and controlling the limitless number of possible profile parameters? Who will be responsible for adding, changing and deleting established profile parameters? Who will be responsible for insuring that this awesome and massive capability will not be misused and abused by the various departments of the Federal Government. In other words, is the 8 foot tall white male an exception to the norm or is the 4 foot tall black female the exception or, are both the upper limit and the lower limit considered as an exception to the norm. How about all those in between? As noted in the quoted SUMMARY of the document identified above, the "key operative statements" are as follows; 1. Identify its customers. 2. Determine its customers' source of funds. 3. Determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers. 4. Monitor account activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and expected transactions. 5. Report any transactions of its customers that are determined to be suspicious ---. Before we briefly examine the five individual requirements noted above, and so that you will understand where"I" am coming from, please be aware of the fact that, in addition to being a Baptist Preacher, I have been a Data Processing Systems Analyst for some 48+ years. At least half of that time was spent working for the Federal Government, designing and installing total Data Processing Facilities, from the Presidents Battle Staff, to the Congress, to the Department of defense, to the local Church name and address data base. I have written and taught several college courses: (a) Management of Data Processing Facilities and (b) Systems Analysis. One of the first things that I always tell the new students in my Systems Analysis class is "In the field of electronic data processing, your only limitation is you own imagination. If you can rationalize it in your mind, 'electronic' data processing can do it." Now, given that background and qualifications let me tell you, in no uncertain terms, -- I know exactly what the Federal Government is up to. I know exactly what information they are looking for; I know exactly how to get that information and I know exactly how they plan to eventually use that information. Requirement # 1: Identify its customers. I have no problem with this requirement so long as that identifying information is limited to name, mailing address and an account number generated by the "local" financial institution and assigned to a particular account to provide unique identification, but absolutely nothing more. Requirement # 2: Determine its customers' source of funds. This I have a BIG problem with. Even though the government would like for you to believe that this requirement is related to identifying "possible" illegal money laundering by drug traffickers, that is not the only reason they want to know the source of your finances. Remember now, the ultimate objective of the vast majority of government regulations and programs are directed at controlling the "individual." This item required that you advise the bank of all the sources that you will be receiving money from that you will be depositing in this particular account. We will expand this item in more detail below. Requirement # 3. Determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers. For purposed of this discussion we will consider only four primary parameters related to deposits and withdrawals against this particular
[CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] Action Alert: Creative Letter Editing at the New YorkTimes
-Caveat Lector- AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust -- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: [FAIR-L] Action Alert: Creative Letter Editing at the New YorkTimes : Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 3:46 AM : : :-- : FAIR-L : Fairness Accuracy in Reporting :Media analysis, critiques and news reports :-- : : : : FAIR Action Alert: Creative Letter Editing at the New York Times : : When the New York Times editorialized in support of threatening the use : of military force against Iraq (11/3/98), Seattle reader Jeff Gustafson : thought that some important facts were left out: namely, the toll on the : Iraqi population exacted by the current sanctions. : : Gustafson wrote a letter to the Times, citing a 1997 UNICEF report that : found that 90,000 people were dying each year as a result of the : sanctions. : : The Times letters department called Gustafson back, asking for a : citation for his figures. He pointed them to a UNICEF website : ( ftp://www2.unicef.org/pub/iraqsa , requires Adobe Acrobat Reader), as : well as references to the same reports in various issues of the New York : Times itself. : : But when Gustafson's letter appeared in the Times on November 5, it : included words that Gustafson never wrote: "According to Iraqi : officials, half a million children have died since the Persian Gulf war : in 1991 for reasons that are related to the economic sanctions." : : Why did the Times alter his letter, changing the source to one that most : readers will find far less credible? Gustafson says one explanation the : New York Times gave was that the "Iraqi official" numbers were more : readily supported by other Times reporting. One might argue that the : Times' letters page should be open to information that the Times hasn't : chosen to report, but in fact the paper has cited UNICEF reports on Iraq : on a number of occasions (10/29/96, 12/10/96,10/20/98, 2/19/98, 1/4/98, : etc.). : : Norma Sosa, the editor of the Times' letters section, was unwilling to : discuss the issue with FAIR. Sosa explained that the editing process was : not open to "outside inspection," and said of the letters: "This is a : dead issue." : : But the New York Times' letters page is an important forum for public : discussion. If the paper is substantively altering the content of : letters without the permission of writers, that's a matter of concern to : all with a stake in the national debate. : : The manipulation of letters has been condemned when it's occurred at : less prestigious news outlets than the New York Times. In fact, in : February, an editor at the New York Post was fired after making : unapproved changes to a writer's letter. : : If you'd like to let the Times know your views on whether letters to the : editor should be rewritten, you can write to the letters section at: : === : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. : Fax: (212) 556-3622 : Letters to the Editor, New York Times : 229 West 43rd St. : New York, NY 10036-3959 : : And if you'd like to see the letters yourself, read them at : http://www.eatthestate.org/03-10/Backtalk.htm . : : :-- : : : Feel free to respond to FAIR([EMAIL PROTECTED]). We can't reply to : everything, but we will look at each message. We especially appreciate : documented example of media bias or censorship. All messages to the : 'FAIR-L' list will be forwarded to the editor of the list. : : Also, feel free to spread this message around. Put it on conferences : where it is appropriate. We depend on word of mouth to get our message : out, so please let others know about FAIR and this mailing list. : : Don't miss a single e-mail from FAIR-L. : To subscribe to FAIR-L send a "subscribe FAIR-L enter your full name" : command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : The subscriber list is kept confidential, so no need to worry about : spammers. : : : You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF FAIR-L" : command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Please support FAIR by becoming a member. : You will receive FAIR's magazine, EXTRA! and its newsletter, EXTRA! : Update. You can become a member by calling 1-800-847-3993 from 9 to : 5 Eastern Time (be sure to tell them you got the information : on-line) or by sending $19 with your name and address to: : : FAIR/EXTRA! Subscription Service : P.O. Box 170 : Congers, NY 10920-9930 : : : FAIR : (212) 633-6700 : http://www.fair.org/ : E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : list administrators: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION
[CTRL] Bigger Biggest
-Caveat Lector- From SalonMagazine.CoM [ T H E_.R E L U C T A N T_.C A P I T A L I S T ] Exxon-Mobil: Bigger than Monica? Picture: Money image WHILE THE MEDIA AND CONGRESS BLATHER ABOUT THE CLINTON SEX SCANDAL, THESE FORMER COMPETITORS JUST CREATED THE BIGGEST CORPORATION IN THE WORLD. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BY HEATHER CHAPLIN For anyone still wondering why the American public wishes Congress and the media would stop obsessing about the Clinton sex scandal, the answer lies in the $80 billion Exxon-Mobil merger story. While newspapers, network anchors, talk shows and Congress endlessly blather about Monica Lewinsky, they are underplaying one of the biggest stories of the century: An incredible year of merger mania, culminating in this week's Exxon-Mobil deal, creating the largest corporation in the world. Something similar happened 100 years ago, when the country was poised on the brink of industrialization and a select few were becoming richer than God. The titans prowled the land like great dinosaurs, devouring everything in their path, molding the country into its 20th century form and becoming so powerful that the government had to rein them in. On the verge of the 21st century, the big boys are once again getting bigger, but so far there's little response from government or the media. With combined revenues last year of $203 billion, Exxon and Mobil will become the world's biggest corporation, booting General Motors -- with its paltry $166.4 billion annually -- into a forlorn second place. It's the biggest merger in history and it comes at the end of a year of big mergers. There was Traveler's Group and Citicorp's $70 billion deal, BankAmerica and NationsBank's $60 billion arrangement, Daimler-Benz and Chrysler's $40 billion plan and Worldcom and MCI Communications' $34 billion engagement, not to mention the AOL-Netscape deal, which is shaking up the Web. And those are only a few of the more prominent corporate marriages. The Federal Trade Commission, which must grant approval for all mergers above a certain size, says there were 4,575 merger proposals to be reviewed this year, valued at a total of $1.44 trillion. Fifteen years ago, those numbers were 903 and $80.6 billion respectively. Even if you go back to the last merger peak in 1987, the numbers are 2,170 and $577.9 billion, about half of what they were this year. (It's worth noting that the FTC's budget for handling merger reviews has remained essentially flat since 1991.) When a corporation becomes as big and as rich as these new Goliaths, it garners an extraordinary amount of influence in terms of determining consumer prices in its industry, squashing smaller competition, setting a political agenda and even influencing the direction in which the culture moves. But while that chain of influence is common knowledge, it's not sufficiently part of the common discourse. Most reporting on merger mania focuses on business culture (if I read one more story speculating on how two CEOs' personal management styles will gel, I may vomit) not the public interest. I would think, as a nation, we'd resist big, faceless entities having such enormous power. Isn't that why socialist countries, with their centralized systems and lifetime leaders, have such a bad rap? Isn't that why our politicians keep declaring war on big government? But mega-corporations don't seem to inspire the same distaste. I guess all those cute logos and catchy tunes really work. Or maybe it's the fact that many Americans have hooked their fortunes to these corporations through individual stocks, 401K plans and retirement funds. Flush with virtual wealth, we're willing to see a friendly face instead of a ruthless business venture, forgetting the good times may not always last. Or maybe it's the millions corporations are pumping into the political arena. It's a crude measurement, but according to the Federal Election Commission, businesses gave a total of $84 million in soft money to politicians last year. The New York Times has put that number at $115 million in the last 18 months. For comparison's sake, individuals gave $29.5 million and labor unions gave $3.5 million, according to the FEC. Then there's lobbying. Mobil and Exxon together spent $10.5 million on lobbying efforts last year. But that's a drop in the ocean considering the total amount spent influencing legislation last year was estimated at $1.2 billion, according to the Times. Fourteen of the 25 most influential lobbying groups on Capitol Hill represent business interests, according to Fortune magazine. (Some others are the Christian Coalition, the NRA, the National Right to Life Coalition, the AFL-CIO, the Association of Trial Lawyers and, sitting on top of the heap, the American Association of Retired Persons.) Add to the picture that voter turnout has essentially been on the decline since the 1960s -- turnout for the last presidential election was the lowest since 1924 -- and you
[CTRL] Y2K news links
-Caveat Lector- Y2K Czar has no real power to get U.S. to take seriously a potential crisis http://www.startext.net/news/doc/1047/1:COMP75/1:COMP75120598.html British navy unprepared for Y2K - 90% of systems unprotected http://www.cbcnews.cbc.ca:80/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/1998/12/05/computer981205 Navy all at see over millennium bug http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_228000/228868.stm The man who's trying to overcome time http://www.phillynews.com:80/inquirer/98/Dec/06/business/CZAR06.htm Y2K affects more than computers http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ctd833.htm NATO looks into Russian Nukes, Y2K bug http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/world/120398/y2knato.sml Y2K will arrive ahead of schedule http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/98/1203/icbusiness2.asp European Commission sounds Y2K alarm http://cnn.com:80/TECH/computing/9812/04/europe.y2k.idg/ Y2L spawns new breed of survivalist http://insidedenver.com/news/1206yk1.shtml Millennium bug takes flying fear to new height http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=001036222020742rtmo=lwwnFHQtatmo=Q5ebP4_FOLLOW_ON=/98/12/5/nmil05.htmlpg=/et/98/12/5/nmil05.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Promoting Extraterrestrial Contact Stories?
-Caveat Lector- wasn't a similar story shown to be a hoax, not that long ago? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CIA Role In Satellite Case Leads To Probe - Report
-Caveat Lector- Could this be a move to try and lessen the impact of a full disclosure of the treason of many in the government towards China? I don't think the CIA would be trying to cover up for Clinton, though he is guilty as hell on this issue, but they would try and cover up guilt for some of their bed mates, congressional supporters and the like. They have had limited hangouts many times to cover up for the truth and have taken the blame before. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Orwell's 1984. Glasgow's 1994?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.spunk.org/library/groups/sfa/sp000973.txt" http://www.spunk.org/.../groups/sfa/sp000973.txt/A - Orwell's 1984. Glasgow's 1994? Closed Circuit Television in Glasgow What is it? By the end of this summer four square miles of the city centre will be under constant 24 hour surveillance. An area from Glasgow Cross to Charing Cross will be dotted with 32 cameras. These will produce over 5000 hours of footage each week of Glaswegians going about their everyday lives. The cameras will be monitored by specially trained disabled civilians from a bank of screens at Steward Street Police Station. What will it cost? The estimated cost of the project for installation and the first three years of running costs is 1 million pounds. Who is funding it? Half of the money is coming from private businesses in the city centre through voluntary donations. The rest is coming from the public sector - Strathclyde Regional Council and Glasgow District Council. What is it for? "The Cameras have been installed to protect valuable businesses" Glasgow Chief SuperIntendent Gordon Carmicheal. Daily Record 14/1/94 "The Cameras are not there to spy on people but to protect people" Strathclyde Regional Councillor James Jennings Scotsman 16/7/93 "The Cameras do not just make sense. It makes business sense." Caroline Durkan Glasgow Development Agency (GDA). Herald 9/12/93 Although there is confusion whether the cameras are to protect property or people, the main stated aim of the project is to deter crime in the city centre and to make it "a safer place for shoppers and shop owners, families, women and other law abiding citizens" Strathclyde Chief Constable Leslie Sharp Herald 22/10/93 It will also be used to deter soliciting and to film kerb crawlers (Glaswegian 19/8/93). It is clear that the police have complete power to use and abuse the technology as they wish. The films could be used for any purpose whatsoever, from filming public leafleting to filming people on marches and demonstrations. Once the technology is in place it can be used for whatever the police want. How long will video footage be kept? According to Caroline Durkan of the Glasgow Development Agency, "footage will be retained for one month then wiped unless required for evidence of information" Herald 9/12/93 This is obviously vague and open to interpretation and abuse by the police. Who will have access to and control of video footage? "Recorded tapes will be the property of the chief constable and will be used only be Strathclyde Police to deter and detect criminals" Caroline Durkan (GDA) Herald 9/12/93 The above statement was enough to convince doubting Strathclyde Regional Councillors that the video cameras would not be an abuse of civil liberties. Such unlimited powers should obviously because for concern, not confidence, in the system. A U.S. Lawyer quoted in the Scotsman 31/8/93 states "the person who controls the technology controls the use made of it" Background Since the mid 1980's there has been a rapid growth in English towns and cities installing closed circuit television systems. In 1986 Bournemouth installed video cameras along its seafront and claimed that in its first year of use the bill for vandalism dropped from 220 000 to 36 000 pounds (Scotsman 31/8/93). Newcastle installed a 400 000 system and claimed there was a 13% reduction in crime in the first two months of operation (Guardian 13/5/93). Hexham installed a video system and claimed there was a "significant reduction in crime by 97% in areas covered by cameras (Scotsman 30/11/93). Kings Lynn in the Midlands (of England) installed cameras and claimed that thefts from cars dropped by 97% and car crimes in general by 91% (Guardian 31/8/93). These statistics appear impressive and have led to many Scottish towns installing or planning to install camera systems. The most publicised case is Airdrie where it is claimed crime fell by 75% in its first six months of operation (Scotsman 31/8/93). Other Scottish towns such as East Kilbride, Bathgate and Kirkcaldy have installed cameras and more schemes are being planned from Dumfries to Inverness. It is against this backdrop of a growing "camera culture" that Glasgow is planning the biggest, most sophisticated and most expensive system yet to be put into operation in any "British" town or city. The British Security Industry Association (BSIA) say there are around 200 000 closed circuit television systems in the country and that the BSIA firms that supplied them did business worth 57 million in 1992 (Guardian, 13/5/93). It is now Big Business protecting Big Business in "Britain". It is hardly surprising so much effort is being put into convincing us video cameras are a cure all for crime. But are they really? Arguments for and against Closed Circuit Television Deterrent The major argument used in favour of the cameras is that they deter crime. They may deter certain categories of crime but
[CTRL] FLUSHING OUT THE SCOTTISH FINANCIAL MAFIA: The shady Case of the Glasgow Development Agency
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.spunk.org/library/groups/sfa/sp000503.txt" http://www.spunk.org/.../groups/sfa/sp000503.txt/A - FLUSHING OUT THE SCOTTISH FINANCIAL MAFIA: The shady Case of the Glasgow Development Agency by Billy Clark The aim here is to examine in some detail an organisation called Scottish Enterprise (SE) which was invented in 1988 by Bill Hughes, at the time a CBI boss and advisor to the Thatcher government, now the director of Grampian Holdings. SE is the parent body of 14 local Enterprise Companies (LECs) and by looking in detail at one of these, the Glasgow Development Agency (GDA), we shall see that it represents a gathering of powerful business/financial alliances. The information provided here aims to inform our understanding of the forces in operation here, how they function and in whose interest. When Hughes proposed the SE system, he bypassed the then Secretary of State for Scotland, Malcolm Rifkind, going straight to Mrs. Thatcher. This unusual tactic was adopted because after the disastrous fall in the Scottish Tory vote in the '87 elections, the Scottish Office was blamed for resisting the new economic culture through the Scottish Development Agency (SDA). Unable to conceive that her policies alienated the Scottish electorate, Thatcher was already mulling over plans to scapegoat and abolish the SDA when Hughes opportunistically knocked on her door. We cannot fully reconstruct their conversation, but perhaps Hughes promised to set things to rights by transforming the SDA (created in '75 by Willie Ross) from a child of Wilsonian Corporatism, into a vehicle for promoting Thatcherism . Perhaps too, he would have said something about the deal being squeezed past the Treasury via the promise of selling off, what could be sold of the SDA's property portfolio (they managed to raise 100m pounds before the slump set in), and privitising anything else the SDA had a share in. In any case something made Thatcher's eyes light up and two years later the project was launched at the Dunblane Hydro. It has hardly met with a word of praise since. OBVIOUS CONNECTIONS Its initial hierarchy was established as follows: at the head of SE Sir David Nickson of the Clydesdale Bank, General Accident, Hambros Bank and Scottish Newcastle Breweries. This choice alone represented a sizable percentage of Scottish Capital and was further enlarged with the two leaders of the main LECs in Glasgow and Edinburgh: Lord McFarlane and Sir Charles Annand Fraser respectively. Having the more obvious connections to Nickson, McFarlane is the director of some fifty or so companies, the main ones being The Clydesdale Bank, General Accident, The American Trust, Clansman, Edinburgh Fund Managers and United Distillers/Guiness plc. His other companies concentrate on the construction and fitting out of offices from their painting right down to the packaging the furniture comes in, its transportation, and adhesive labels, the lot basically : if you work in an office, go the bank then go for a drink, McFarlane's interests are well served. Politically we can locate him on the Authoritarian Right, he funds British United Industries (a somewhat secretive channel for funding right-wing political projects), and of course the Conservative Party, General Accident alone donates around 50,000 pounds a year. In the light of this it is clear that McFarlane would readily be attracted by a steering role in an organisation devoted to manipulating the political climate of Glasgow towards the right, and that he would have identified this agenda as one which would in due course enhance his own empire. McFarlane also seemed to have been highly aware of the opportunity the creation of the Glasgow LEC offered in openly manipulating the Labour controlled District Council: and it looks like he achieved everything he set out to do in this respect, but we will return to this subject later. Sir Charles Annand Fraser's interests are similar to McFarlane's, and they have been similarly financially enhanced through the hype of local enterprise. He is the director of about sixty companies including Scottish Television, Scottish Widows, Stakis plc and United Biscuits. Fraser's main activities are inextricably linked to Edinburgh tourism, with Stakis and United Biscuits, and are augmented with other interests concerning property development and "Heritage" projects; further interests being offshore tax-exempted trusts ( British Assets Trust, Fidelity, Investors Capital Trust etc) dealing mostly in cash deposits in various currencies . These are all very large companies if not monopolising their fields, certainly dominating them, Scottish Widows alone makes profits of 1,000m and is the second biggest Company in Scotland. So here we have two rich, highly important and influential men, who would feel insulted if we did not describe them as motivated solely by personal gain
[CTRL] From an Egoist Window Pane
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.spunk.org/library/groups/sfa/sp000507.txt" http://www.spunk.org/.../groups/sfa/sp000507.txt/A - From an Egoist Window Pane by Iconoclast Shakespeare once said, "nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so". You may say; some things are bad and some good independently of my thinking. This is to say; food is good or bad independent of my stomach. The policeman's baton is good or bad independent of its exercise on my body. The knife is good or bad independent of me, you may say. Does my thought of the use of the knife not determine for me whether it is good or bad? Does my thought of the use of the knife not determine whether the knife is lethal or of use value. In the hands of an assailant the knife is lethal to my thinking. In the hands of a soldier on the battlefield it has good value. The knife in itself is neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so. The soldier by his passion for patriotism regards the knife, bayonet or bullet indispensable. What does "for patriotism" derive from if not from thinking "rightly or wrongly"; predicates which again are derived from thought. The knife in the hand of a surgeon could be propitious in my way of thinking. Thought of course is merely one of my qualities. I also have flesh and blood and in consequence I feel pain when a blow is administered. If I am incarcerated for the violation of a law, violence may be exercised upon my person by the lickspittles of the law, in order to get me to reveal the identity of my accomplices. I may feel pain, then my thought comes to my aid. My thought like flesh and blood is mine. The thoughts of the lickspittles are not theirs; they are possessed by them; they are victims of their own creation. So I put my thought to use and bring my obduracy into play or I steer them wrongly. Yes, I tell them a lie. If I was possessed by truth I would have to be disloyal to my friends and pander to my enemies. The truth is not above me. If I was a lover of truth I would be infatuated by an abstraction. If some truths exist, what do I care? Must I genuflect before them in reverence. A truth which is unpalatable to me will be subdued if I have the power to do so. A truth which is favourable to me I will accept. Economists have convinced me that the capitalist system prevails. I accept that this is a truth but a truth which I want to make an untruth. If I had the power to annihilate this chimerical monster I would not hesitate. For the present I can only gnaw at it like excavating at a mountain with a pick and shovel until I muster sufficient dynamite to blow it out of existence and reach my destination. You, you, and a several thousand times you are the dynamite and detonator which I seek. It is self-interest but a mutual self-interest. Do you think the powers that be will listen to your moralistic platitudes? They gave you the vote as a red herring. They gave you free speech. But if they can give you it, then they can take it from you. What use is free speech to sheep? They only bleat. You have to take it and not grovel for it. You have to assert yourself by action. You fireside philosophers are of no danger to them. You can ramble on about your theories in pub and club and the powers that be only treat you for what you are : Armchair philosophers who speak like predatory eagles but are in fact barnyard fouls divested of their claws. Poets, subversive music, art, subversive song and ideals are treated with some tolerance as long as they remain idealistic expressions. But when the ideal becomes real it is no longer the ideal. This is what offends the sensitivities of the powers that be. They know the person of action intends to make the ideal real. Serve an ideal if you will so long as you will not transform it into the corporeal. To serve an ideal is to serve not yourself but another outside yourself. I may have an ideal but it is not I and I am not it. Can the ideal be anything but my possession if I am to remain my own master? If the ideal gets above for me to serve then I become a creature of my own creation. I an a possessed man. Let me ask the question. Are you a singer before you sing? Are you a dancer before you dance? Are you a speaker before you speak? Are you a thinker before you think? If I sing, if I dance, if I speak, if I think, where do these attributes stem from? I pinch myself and feel it, confirming that I'm still alive. Of course they stem from me. Your ideals, your truths are static without your activity. Can they move as you do? For some, truth is eternal or they seek eternal truth. They cannot see the wood for the trees. They have an optical illusion, they approach truth like approaching the horizon; the more they approach it the further it recedes. Their mission can be fulfilled without travelling afar. It is on their own doorstep, symbolically speaking. I am not truth, I am more than truth. In modern parlance with a twist of wit I have truth plus "vat". I do not
[CTRL] The National Security Archive Homepage
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/ A HREF="http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/"The National Security Archive Homepage/A - Lotsa reports. Om K - Secret CIA Report Admits: "Honduran Military Committed Hundreds of Human Rights Abuses" and "Inaccurate" Reporting to Congress Visit Our Companion Website for the Newly Released Book Israel and the Bomb The National Security Archive is proud to present an educational component site including the full text of interviews and primary source documents for the landmark CNN series Cold War (Sundays at 8:00 p.m. ET) Interviews Documents How did John F. Kennedy and other U.S. policy experts respond to the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961? View thousands of declassified documents on-line in The Berlin Crisis Tlatelolco Massacre: Declassified U.S. Documents on Mexico and the Events of 1968 Chile: Declassified U.S. Documents on Pinochet and the 1973 Coup The Archive Archive Publications Archive News and Documents Online Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Nuclear History at the Archive NSArchive Electronic Briefing Books The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962 U.S.-Japan Project White House E-Mail Nixon-Presley Meeting: The Documentation Related Projects: Cold War International History Project The National Security Archive is an independent non-governmental research institute and library located at The George Washington University in Washington, D.C. The Archive collects and publishes declassified documents acquired through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Publication royalties and foundation grants through the Fund for Peace, Inc. underwrite the Archive's budget. This site is hosted by the School of Engineering and Applied Science at the George Washington University. Special thanks to the C.S. Fund, HKH Foundation, and W. Alton Jones Foundation for their support of this WWW site. The National Security Archive, The Gelman Library, George Washington University 2130 H Street, NW, Suite 701, Washington, DC 20037 Phone: 202-994-7000 / Fax: 202-994-7005 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] White men traded as 'sex slaves' of black prisoners (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Below, from London Telegraph, relates to conspiracy in that it shows how the State (USA) is using "cruel and unusual punishment" while at the same time distancing itself from the actual brutality -- "plausible denial." For those with weak nerves, it's suggested you skip reading the story below. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." The Electronic Telegraph International News ISSUE 1290 Sunday 6 December 1998 White men traded as 'sex slaves' of black prisoners By Fergal Keane, in Illinois WHITE male prisoners in American jails are being "sold as sex slaves" by black fellow inmates for money, tobacco, drugs and alcohol, according to campaigners who are urging action to end widespread homosexual rape behind bars. Damaging claims of complicity by prison guards are also emerging. Five wardens at a Californian maximum security jail are facing charges relating to the rape of an inmate by a notorious sexual predator. The wardens allegedly forced a troublesome prisoner to share a cell with a black gang leader, who was rewarded with extra food and clothes for imposing "discipline" on the man. According to the campaigners, the sex attacks often carry ugly racial overtones, with many white prisoners claiming that they were sexually abused after being placed in cells with black inmates. Most victims are too scared to complain, it is claimed, and those that do say they have been ignored by the authorities. The scale of the scandal has been uncovered by the pressure group Human Rights Watch, which next year will publish a report documenting the "staggering prevalence" of prison rape. The situation is not just provoking concern among civil liberties groups. In the state of Illinois, a prominent conservative figure, Republican legislator Cal Skinner, is also pushing for tougher government action. He claims that many of the rape victims have been infected with the HIV virus and that American prisons are becoming a breeding ground for Aids. Mr Skinner said: "There are sexual slaves in too many prisons. People are being given a death sentence." He wants to see the mandatory Aids testing of all prisoners with the segregation of those found to be HIV positive. He believes it is one of the few ways of protecting vulnerable inmates from the potentially fatal effect of prison rape. The renewed concern over rape in prisons has come too late for Michael Blucker, 29, a white man from Crystal Lake in Illinois, who was repeatedly gang-raped while serving a sentence for burglary. Blucker's ordeal is almost too horrific to contemplate: he was forced to become a sex slave to black prisoners at Menard State Penitentiary in Illinois. Prison rape is not confined to white victims but they are particularly vulnerable as black gang members make up such a large part of the American prison population. Blucker said: "I was the only white man in a gallery [wing] of more than 100 prisoners. Most of the guys were in for very serious crimes; they were people who weren't going to be getting out of there any time in the next 30 years." The first attack came when Blucker had been in jail just two weeks. He was set upon by three black prisoners, stripped, beaten and raped. "They would have killed me if I had refused. Killing means nothing to these people," he said. Once it became known that he had been raped, Blucker's life became even more of a nightmare. In the violent world of American prisons, an inmate who "allows" himself to be raped is regarded as fair game for every other inmate and is used as a sex slave, normally under the direction of a senior gang leader. In Blucker's case, one of the black prisoners sold him to other inmates on a daily basis. "He would physically threaten me and threaten to have harm done to my wife outside prison. Every day, I would be sold as a sex object while he was given money and cigarettes and marijuana and alcohol in return." When the threats of violence did not cow Blucker, his tormentor would beat him into submission. While filming in Butner prison in North Carolina, I met Ivory Rhodes, a black prisoner, who was attacked within days of being placed in the cell of a known rapist. The pattern he described was almost exactly the same as that experienced by Blucker. A violent attack and the threat of death followed by brutal rape. Rhodes's solution was to try to spend long periods in solitary confinement, a deprivation he preferred to risking his life in the main cells. Rhodes managed to avoid being raped again, but whenever he was transferred from one prison to another, the stigma of "rape victim" went with him.
[CTRL] The National Security Archive / Overview
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/nsa/arc_overview.html A HREF="http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/nsa/arc_overview.html"The National Security Archive / Overview /A - Documents, also. Om K - Overview The National Security Archive combines a unique range of functions in one non-governmental, non-profit institution. The Archive is simultaneously a research institute on international affairs, a library and archive of declassified U.S. documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, a public interest law firm defending and expanding public access to government information through the FOIA, and an indexer and publisher of the documents in books, microfiche, and electronic formats. The Archive's approximately $1.5 million per year budget comes from publication revenues and from private philanthropists such as the Carnegie Corporation, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and the Ford Foundation. The National Security Archive was founded in 1985 by a group of journalists and scholars who had obtained documentation from the U.S. government under the Freedom of Information Act and sought a centralized repository for these materials. Over the past eleven years, the Archive has become the world's largest non-governmental library of declassified documents. Located on the seventh floor of the George Washington University's Gelman Library in Washington, D.C., the Archive is designed to apply the latest in computerized indexing technology to the massive amount of material already released by the U.S. government on international affairs, make them accessible to researchers and the public, and go beyond that base to build comprehensive collections of documents on specific topics of greatest interest to scholars and the public. Supporting some 30 terminals, the Archive's mainframe computer system hosts major databases of released documents (over 90,000 records), authority files of individuals and organizations in international affairs (over 15,000 records), and FOIA requests filed by Archive staff and outside requesters on international affairs (over 17,000 records). Despite the Archive's non-traditional role (since the originals remain inside the government -- hopefully), Archive staff have developed extensive expertise with all levels of archival recordkeeping, ranging from basic collection description to box- and file-level inventories to individual document cataloging. The Archive reading room is open to the public without charge, and has welcomed visitors from 32 foreign countries and across the United States--some of whom stay for weeks. The Archive fields more than 2,500 public service requests for documents and information every year. Archive staff are frequently called on to testify before Congress, lecture at universities, and appear on national broadcasts and in media interviews on the subject of the Freedom of Information Act and various topics in international affairs for which the Archive's collections provide documentation. The Archive's financial affairs are administered by The Fund for Peace, Inc, a New York-based tax-exempt corporation established in 1957 to encourage research and public education on international affairs. The Fund is an active federation of programmatically autonomous project, each of which raises its own funds, utilizes its own advisory committees, and runs its own activities. Administrative and fiscal responsibility for the Archive is vested in The Fund for Peace; program guidance for the Archive is provided by the Archive's Advisory Board, chaired by Russell Hemenway (President of The National Committee for an Effective Congress).The Fund's accounts have been audited annually by outside CPA firms, Deloitte Touche from 1972-1991 and Keller Bruner Company in 1992-97. As an operating division of the Fund, the Archive receives tax-deductible funding from foundations, and approximately 20% of the Archive's annual budget from publication royalties. The first major publication of the Archive was a 678-page mass market paperback published by Warner Books in 1987, The Chronology, on the Iran-contra affair. Time magazine called the book "must reading," and Ted Koppel of ABC News Nightline praised it for including "every known fact about the Iran-contra scandal." The second Archive publication project has produced a series of large microform collections of documents on U.S. foreign policy as well as a CD-ROM index to the entire series co-published by the scholarly micropublisher Chadwyck-Healey, Inc. These collections include an average of 16,000 pages of documents released through the FOIA and other governmental processes, accompanied by finding aids which average over 1,700 pages for each collection--indices, catalogs, chronologies, glossaries, bibliographies and introductory essays. More than 500 copies of these microfiche collections have been
[CTRL] Chile and the United States / Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm A HREF="http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm" Declassified Documents Relating to the Military /A - Awesome site. Here tis a sample. Om K - National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 8 Chile and the United States Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973 by Peter Kornbluh Photograph: From the film The Battle of Chile(First Run/Icarus Films) September 11, 1998 marks the twenty-fifth anniversary of the military coup led by General Augusto Pinochet. The violent overthrow of the democratically-elected Popular Unity government of Salvador Allende changed the course of the country that Chilean poet Pablo Neruda described as "a long petal of sea, wine and snow"; because of CIA covert intervention in Chile, and the repressive character of General Pinochet's rule, the coup became the most notorious military takeover in the annals of Latin American history. Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to "make the economy scream" in Chile to "prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him," prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate. Since the coup, however, few U.S. documents relating to Chile have been actually declassified- -until recently. Through Freedom of Information Act requests, and other avenues of declassification, the National Security Archive has been able to compile a collection of declassified records that shed light on events in Chile between 1970 and 1976. These documents include: ** Cables written by U.S. Ambassador Edward Korry after Allende's election, detailing conversations with President Eduardo Frei on how to block the president-elect from being inaugurated. The cables contain detailed descriptions and opinions on the various political forces in Chile, including the Chilean military, the Christian Democrat Party, and the U.S. business community. ** CIA memoranda and reports on "Project FUBELT"--the codename for covert operations to promote a military coup and undermine Allende's government. The documents, including minutes of meetings between Henry Kissinger and CIA officials, CIA cables to its Santiago station, and summaries of covert action in 1970, provide a clear paper trail to the decisions and operations against Allende's government ** National Security Council strategy papers which record efforts to "destabilize" Chile economically, and isolate Allende's government diplomatically, between 1970 and 1973. ** State Department and NSC memoranda and cables after the coup, providing evidence of human rights atrocities under the new military regime led by General Pinochet. ** FBI documents on Operation Condor--the state-sponsored terrorism of the Chilean secret police, DINA. The documents, including summaries of prison letters written by DINA agent Michael Townley, provide evidence on the carbombing assassination of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt in Washington D.C., and the murder of Chilean General Carlos Prats and his wife in Buenos Aires, among other operations. These documents, and many thousands of other CIA, NSC, and Defense Department records that are still classified secret, remain relevant to ongoing human rights investigations in Chile, Spain and other countries, and unresolved acts of international terrorism conducted by the Chilean secret police. Eventually, international pressure, and concerted use of the U.S. laws on declassification will force more of the still-buried record into the public domain--providing evidence for future judicial, and historical accountability. Go to the documents - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 12/6/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Impeachment Watch Busy Week for Judiciary Committee Impeaching Der Fuhrer and stuff WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House Judiciary Committee, dominated by Republicans determined to punish President Clinton, is racing toward a likely recommendation to remove the president from office, as the nation's third presidential impeachment inquiry enters its final climactic stages. Clinton's lawyers demanded three or four days to call panels of expert witnesses -- but not any of the key players in the Monica Lewinsky affair. Committee Chairman Henry Hyde, R-Ill., said in a statement Saturday that he's considering whether to slightly alter the schedule to accommodate the White House, but he still insisted on an impeachment vote by Saturday. Three witnesses on the White House list, for a proposed panel on the standards of impeachment, are Johnson administration Attorney General Nicholas deB. Katzenbach; Bruce Ackerman, professor of constitutional law at Yale University, and Sean Wilentz, a professor of history at Princeton. The committee already has heard from 30 witnesses on impeachment standards and perjury, and Hyde said he didn't want witnesses who would ``duplicate testimony ... already received.'' If witnesses testify, the Clinton lawyers would follow with their conclusions in the same room where three impeachment articles were approved against Richard M. Nixon in July 1974. Right after the Clinton team will come summations by two veteran lawyer-investigators, certain to clash over perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power evidence submitted by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr. David Schippers, a one-time prosecutor who made his reputation fighting organized crime in Chicago, is speaking for the Republican majority. Abbe Lowell, an ex-prosecutor who specializes in government ethics, represents the Democrats. Committee Republicans, who have shunned polls and calls for censure, want a vote on impeachment articles Friday or Saturday. They are virtually certain to recommend that Clinton's efforts to conceal his sexual affair in the White House with Ms. Lewinsky, a former intern half his age, is misconduct serious enough for removal from office. When the issue comes before the full House, the public could see a much different political dynamic. Lawmakers not on the committee ``have to look at the polls, at the next election'' and face constituents who ask, 'What are you turkeys doing?''' said retired Rep. William Clinger, a Republican who investigated Clinton as chairman of the Government Reform and Oversight Committee. Nobody knows the outcome of an impeachment vote in the full House, but a liberal Judiciary Committee member, Rep. Charles Schumer of New York, said, ``I am afraid it's a neck-and-neck vote. ... The simple arithmetic is this will be decided by one or two votes, and that's frightening to me.'' Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind., retiring after 34 years in Congress, said, ``The politicians on the Judiciary Committee have very visible hard-core backers, and contributors and activists in their campaigns want them to support or oppose impeachment. Politics is driving them very strongly as well as conviction.'' But once impeachment leaves the committee, Hamilton said, ``Everybody recognizes the dynamics. The president will not be convicted in the Senate (where a two-thirds vote is needed). It's not quite as rigid as it might appear from just sitting in on committee hearings. There are a lot of back-room, back-channel negotiations going forward with a variety of people, most of whom are trying to be constructive and find an exit strategy.'' For many Democrats and White House officials, that strategy might be a censure that could include a financial penalty for Clinton. But a censure would have to clear considerable parliamentary hurdles to even be considered in the full House the same day as impeachment. In their appearance this week, Clinton's legal team of private attorney David Kendall and White House lawyers Charles Ruff and Gregory Craig will certainly try to make Starr the villain. Their audience won't really be the 21 Republican conservatives and 16 liberal Democrats in the committee room but millions of Americans watching on television. In this gravest of constitutionally mandated inquiries, there is no expectation that this politically polarized committee, led by Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., will suddenly become a forum for lofty constitutional debate. To the contrary, the sight of lawmakers constantly interrupting each other at hearings has left the discourse ``at the gutter level, and both parties are responsible,'' said senior U.S. Circuit Judge Charles Wiggins, a Republican member of the Judiciary Committee during the Nixon Watergate investigation. Julian Epstein, chief counsel for committee Democrats, looked at the coming momentous week this way: ``The stakes
[CTRL] Al Gore Proclaims World Soap Day
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 2 Issue 41/A The Laissez Faire City Times December 7, 1998 - Volume 2, Issue 41 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Al Gore Proclaims World Soap Day by Wolf De Voon Five years ago I examined and refuted Garrett Hardin's "The Tragedy of the Commons" [Science 162 (1968) :1243-1248] in a private communication that was subsequently lost, and I no longer have the wit to reproduce it with similar energy or eloquence. Yesterday I suffered a complete mental breakdown while listening to Al Gore. Contact with other human beings is extremely difficult for me now. The most I seem able to do is listen to vapid radio broadcasts or read in silence. Today I picked up The Limits to Growth, published in 1972 by the Club of Rome, a group of scientists organized by MIT to study "the world problematique." If you are unfamiliar with this French expression, it refers to apparently real constraints on exponential increase of world population, industrial output, energy consumption, and pollution. The Club of Rome used their best efforts to devise a model of the global economic system in 1970 and predicted: "The behavior of the system is clearly that of overshoot and collapse. The industrial capital stock grows to a level that requires an enormous input of resources. In the very process of that growth it depletes a large fraction of the resource reserves available. As resource prices rise and mines are depleted, more and more capital must be used for obtaining resources, leaving less to be invested for future growth. Finally investment cannot keep up with depreciation, and the industrial base collapses, which have become dependent on industrial inputs such as fertilizers, pesticides, hospital laboratories, computers, and especially energy for mechanization. For a short time the situation is especially serious because population, with the delays inherent in the age structure and the process of social adjustment, keeps rising. Population finally decreases when the death rate is driven upward by lack of food and health services." Fearing an avalanche of skepticism, the Club of Rome reconfigured their global economic model with ideal assumptions: unlimited natural resources, stringent pollution controls (cut emissions to one-quarter of 1970 levels), increased agricultural productivity, and "perfect" birth control. Global starvation is delayed from 2010 to 2050, but the long-run forecast remains unchanged: "The basic behavior mode of the world system is exponential growth of population and capital, followed by collapse... [T]his behavior mode occurs if we assume no change in the present system or if we assume any number of technological changes in the system... [W]e have not been able to find a set of policies that avoids the collapse mode of behavior." Hmm. Pretty bleak forecast. Population will increase, along with consumption and pollution, until the planet can no longer sustain economic growth. Whatever shall we do? The Club of Rome offered a solution: "If there is cause for deep concern, there is also cause for hope. Deliberately limiting growth would be difficult, but not impossible. The way to proceed is clear, and the necessary steps, although they are new ones for human society, are well within human capabilities. Man possesses, for a small moment in his history, the most powerful combination of knowledge, tools, and resources the world has ever known. He has all that is physically necessary to create a totally new form of human society... [E]quilibrium would require trading certain human freedoms, such as producing unlimited numbers of children or cunsuming uncontrolled amounts of resources, for other freedoms, such as relief from pollution and crowding and the threat of collapse of the world system. It is possible that new freedoms might also arise -- universal and unlimited education, leisure for creativity and inventiveness, and, most importantly of all, the freedom from hunger and poverty..." It is not my purpose to debunk this theory or to quibble about growth variables used by the Club of Rome almost 30 years ago. It is not important to me that Al Gore adopted an insane economic model: less growth, tougher pollution controls, more spending for education and leisure (rather than "wasteful" industrial output). America got the Club of Rome message, loud and clear. Steel production is bad, bread and circuses are good. I don't care. Let's pretend that the Club of Rome and presumptive President Gore are right. The world is headed for global chaos in 2050, unless every American citizen takes up environmentally-friendly badminton as a career choice. I want you to agree with this scenario: that there is an ultimate, fundamental, inherent and permanent conflict between the general welfare (i.e., the greatest good of the greatest number) and your personal
[CTRL] Who's in Charge of This Here Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 2 Issue 41/A The Laissez Faire City Times December 7, 1998 - Volume 2, Issue 41 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Who's in Charge of This Here Conspiracy? by Jack Ryan I had a heated political discussion with my brother recently. He confirmed to me what I had always secretly known: He's not the most polished apple on the family tree--at least as it applies to politics. He, like almost 70 percent of the American people, could care less what happens in Washington. Sadly, he belongs to a growing segment of Americans who believe that Mr. Clinton's troubles are all the work of a half-assed, right wing conspiracy. It's all the work of Ken Starr, a sex-obsessed inquisitor who is out to nail the prez simply for behaving like any other depraved imbecile who believes that women were placed on this earth to serve as roving humidors. Above all, he, like most, really believes it is all the work of a Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy (VRWC). My cover's been blown. Now I'm really mad. I've had it with the inept manner in which the entire L'affaire Lewinsky scandal has been handled by the VRWC. It's not Judge Starr's fault--nor is it necessarily the fault of your average, everyday Republican. As a matter of fact, the fault here lies solely on one entity: Yep, you've guessed it--it's the inept leaders in the VRWC. In trying to nail Mr. Clinton, the Messier Bigs of the VRWC has shown all the cunning and ability of Inspector Clouseau, combined with the luck of Willey E. Coyote. They could not conspiracy their ways out of a wet paper bag. By August of 1998, they had Mr. Clinton by his literal knickers. Today, Mr. Clinton looks as if he'll sail though impeachment hearings. Mike Espy was acquitted and Joan of Arkansas (Susan McDougal) has been elevated to deity status by the national press. Before Ms. McDougal finally succumbs to her crucifixion wounds, she'll no doubt reserve coffin space next to Lenin's tomb. Unlike other countries, we tend to bury our martyrs six feet under. Still, to listen to representatives such as Peter King (R-NY), one would think that a "yes" vote for impeachment would signal the start of the next American Civil war. Many Republicans saw the November elections as some sort of national neutering of the GOP. Well I, for one, refuse to capitulate to that notion. Let there be no castration without representation. My kingdom for a Republican representative with more testosterone than no less a man herself than Janet Reno. Somehow, I think that Nelson Mandela would join the KKK before Republicans tire of having their balls swatted down by racket-wielding Democrats. Mrs. Clinton, as stated on the Today Show, confirmed to millions of Americans what a slim few already knew-- that there was indeed a VRWC after her husband. I have since canceled my membership in my regional chapter of the Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy. I've positively had it with "our" side's responses to the press, to the Democrat spinners and to the high-brow intellectuals who appear on MSNBC 24 hours a day. If I've learned one thing about intellectuals, it is that Hungarian novelist Stephen Vizinczey was right: No amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. The VRWC, in attempting to play to public opinion--in mistakenly thinking that Mr. Clinton's admission to an "improper" relationship would shift public opinion--have grievously wounded their cause. The slow and cautious approach to L'affaire Lewinsky did not make the Republicans seem less partisan. It merely made them seem spineless. For the GOP and their VRWC hacks, the safest road to hell has been the gradual one. Now they're self-basting in their own juices, while shrill shills such as Barney Frank and Maxine Waters cry foul for the cameras , only to rub their hands in glee behind closed doors. This is a helluva way to run a conspiracy railroad. The VRWC has become a veritable Barney Fife--without the one bullet in the pocket. Moreover, what sort of half-descent, half-vast, right- wing conspiracy would let these stooges trash great, past presidents night after night? If there ever was a real tragedy here, it has been the constant bashing and false comparisons between what Mr. Clinton is said to have done with the alleged activities of Washington, Jefferson and Roosevelt. It's the "everyone does it" comparison. Even a vegetative coma victim could figure out what the Democrats are attempting. They have cozied up to Oscar Wilde's observation that the one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. The membership of VRWC have supplied the pencil and paper. The Democrats have supplied the chutzpah. Lost opportunities abound. Consider these (from my VRWC handbook) Filegate, Whitewater, Travelgate, Chinagate, Campaign finance, Mena, Ron Brown, Vince Foster, McDougal's death, the wag-the-dog attack on
[CTRL] Long-Neck Women
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 2 Issue 41/A The Laissez Faire City Times December 7, 1998 - Volume 2, Issue 41 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Long-Neck Women by Richard S. Ehrlich Asia Correspondent NA SOI, Thailand -- Tribal "long-neck women" suffer a lifetime shackled in a heavy neck brace of coiled brass, which deforms bones so severely that their throat appears stretched. Now, as if touched by an alchemist, the burdensome brass which gives them an exotic, elongated image is turning into valuable gold. Known also as "giraffe-neck women," these Padaung tribe females have been put on display for tourists to gawk at, alongside kitsch long-neck souvenirs including dolls, keychains, T-shirts, pen sets, portraits and postcards. Ironically, now that they have become a money-making attraction, long-neck mothers and their unmanacled husbands have a new financial reason to cast their daughters into suffering this stilted existence. The tradition of encasing a female's neck in metal reportedly began years ago to stop rivals from kidnapping them. By making Padaung tribe females too freakish to be desired by others, the coils also allowed them to be easily identified if they were captured. Some outsiders, however, suspect the neck braces were invented by Padaung men simply to subjugate their womenfolk. Whatever the origin, a glistening long-neck wife has since become a sign of status and wealth. Thanks to slick marketing, the long-neck females' worth has recently increased. The Padaung tribe is eagerly working alongside Thailand's tourism industry, the military, local businessmen, ethnic Karenni tribal insurgents, and international tour groups from North America, Europe and elsewhere. Critics denounce the display of females as a "human zoo." Some officials, investors and guides, however, praise the displays as a way for an impoverished tribe of refugees to sustain itself through handicrafts and other tourism-related businesses. Parents perpetuate the neck braces onto their daughters, while insisting they want to maintain "tradition" and create an elegant, feminine look. Ringing a Daughter's Neck When a family voluntarily chooses to conform to the Padaung tribe's custom, an experienced village woman will ring their daughter's neck. "We begin putting coils on our daughters when the girl is five years old," long-necked Mah Nang told The City Times. "I'm the best person in the village to put the coils on a girl. "A five-year-old wears one kilogram (2.2 pounds) of coiled brass. Then, when she is about seven years old, she'll wear one-and-a-half kilograms (3.3 pounds). This will slowly be increased over the years to five kilograms (11 pounds)." The rising spiral of brass is borne by a female's collarbone and shoulders. One coil is long enough to encircle her throat several times with a polished, industrial-strength solid brass rod, about one-third-inch in diameter. The girl will remain coiled for the rest of her life, looking somewhat like a traffic accident victim wearing a brace at an insurance trial -- albeit a brace of attractive, glistening, yellow metal. Sealed in the neck brace, the females appear to have their heads perpetually craning over the uppermost ring. They are also limited in how far they look down or sideways, because their jaw bone is kept upturned, rigid and extended. To alleviate the metal's eternal, painful rubbing against their skin and bones, most Padaung females insert a thick, handkerchief-sized cloth under their chin's jaw bone. But endlessly irritated skin rubs raw, producing scabs and darkened, chaffed rings on the throat and shoulders. A mature woman sports a brass rod spiraling 20 times around her throat and collarbone. Despite the appearance of possessing a long neck, X-rays from Burma's General Hospital in Rangoon show the shoulder bones have been forced down by the weight of the coils. The collarbone and upper ribs have also been pushed diagonally downward. The bone crunching ultimately forces their previously horizontal shoulders into a slanting A-frame. By wrapping it all in brass, part of the shoulder bones appear as a lengthened lower neck. Polishing the Coils Polishing the coils, while wearing them, requires as much effort as polishing chrome on a car. "To make the coils shiny, we use this brown fruit from the trees here," an eight-month pregnant Padaung woman told The City Times, while she squeezed dark brown tamarind in her fingers until it became paste. "We rub it on the coils, and then use straw to polish it off," she added, squishing the tamarind paste into the coils and vigorously rubbing the brass. Eventually she bent over, splashed some water from a plastic pail onto her coils and upper torso, and picked up a handful of straw to wipe away tamarind residue. Cleaning her entire neck brace took about 20 minutes,
[CTRL] Defending the Undefendable: Walter Block, Twenty Years Later
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 2 Issue 41/A The Laissez Faire City Times December 7, 1998 - Volume 2, Issue 41 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Defending the Undefendable: Walter Block, Twenty Years Later an interview by Alberto Mingardi If someone asks a libertarian to indicate a sparkling classic of laissez-faire thought, the answer might be: Defending the Undefendable. When Defending the Undefendable was first smuggled off the presses in 1976, it hit libertarians and others. Walter Block's original book rose to defend "the pimp, prostitute, scab, slumlord, and other scapegoats in the rogue's gallery of American society." But that was not all: twenty-eight other groups and activities came before Block's liberating gaze. The drug addict, drug pusher, blackmailer, slanderer, libeler, "person who yells 'Fire!' in a crowded theater," dishonest cop, (non-governmental) counterfeiter, non-contributor to charity, speculator, ghetto merchant, litterer . . . well, the list goes on and on. About this book, Murray Rothbard said that: "Until this book, no economist has had the courage of Professor Block in tackling head-on the moral and economic status of dozens of reviled, scorned, and grievously misunderstood professions and occupations in our society: those whom he rightly calls the 'economic scapegoats.'" But because Block's own personal libertarian ethic did not extend beyond the prohibition of the initiation of force, the "non-aggression principle," Block essentially saw no difference between his heroes and those of Atlas Shrugged. The commotion! More ink was spilt over Defending than over any other libertarian work up to that time, save Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged and Robert Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia. It wasn't only reviewed but reviled, debated and denounced, again and again. Everyone recommended reading it, but practically no one would stand shoulder to shoulder with it. The reason wasn't so much Block's argument that these people and their illicit activities should be legal, but rather his wider contention that they were positively heroic in the first place! Upholders of everything from traditional morality to the Objectivist ethics began to gag. Looking at Defending the Undefendable twenty years later, it holds up well, and it's no wonder why intellectuals as broadly diverse as F.A. Hayek, who said "Defending the Undefendable made me feel that I was once more exposed to the shock therapy by which, more than fifty years ago, the late Ludwig von Mises converted me to a consistent free market position. Some may find it too strong a medicine, but it will still do them good even if they hate it," and Robert Nozick, who endorsed it at the time as challenging and liberating. Ayn Rand once said--in her attack on the censorship of pornography--that it was important to defend the least attractive instance of a principle, and that is what Block did. The fact that he seemed to warm to the task once he got started made his book seem somewhat comical. The Laissez Faire City Times interviewed Professor Block, now Chairman of the Department of Economics and Finance at The University of Central Arkansas, twenty-two years after the publication of Defending the Undefendable. How has your thought changed these past 22 years, if it has changed? In particular, regarding your "defense" of prostitution and pornography? No, I have been stuck in a rut for the past few decades. I have broadened my knowledge, and come across many more arguments, but I still hold to the libertarian view that the law should only prohibit invasive violence or the threat thereof. Since pornography and prostitution are not physically aggressive, they should be legalized. I don't think too much of them on moral grounds, but that is an entirely different issue. On moral grounds . . .? I take no position on the moral aspects of these characters [in Defending]. I am only defending them as a libertarian. They should not be put in jail since they do not initiate violence. I know the book, but why did you include that Afterword (1991 edition) in which you said your moral position had changed? In fact, your book aroused a lot of controversy and argument when it was first published in the '70s. Is there any major contention or claim you would want to modify or withdraw in light of the criticisms? The book Defending took absolutely no view of the morality of these actions (e.g., prostitution). The Afterword did. Thus, there is no "change" involved in my views. I do wish I had more clearly clarified this distinction in the original work, though. Then, what is the reason for your conservatism in "cultural" issues? Just a matter of taste, I guess. About libertarianism and entertainment. I was fascinated by yours and David Friedman's books when I
[CTRL] Point of View: From the Nose of a Dog
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.41/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 2 Issue 41/A The Laissez Faire City Times December 7, 1998 - Volume 2, Issue 41 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Point of View From the Nose of a Dog by Nina von Altendorf Every year 5 million lovable pooches are murdered because we just don't give a damn. This is the story of how you came to be such a competent, talkative and evolved human being. It may surprise you, but I think that by the end of this tale, you will say "I knew that all along". About 100,000 years ago we all were wandering over the face of the earth, nibbling here and there. Some of us, members of Homo Erectus, evolved with a smaller, flatter face, but essentially our brain size was the same as our Neanderthal cousins. Although we differed in mild respects physically, both types of humans behaved similarly. We buried our dead, used fire and tools, cared for the old ones and raised kids. We hunted and gathered together on the planet and lived side by side from 120,000 years ago till about 30,000 years past. Then came a crucial moment in our evolution. Homo Sapiens survived and the Neanderthal did not. This fact is rather curious since they were bigger and stronger than us, with huge noses and large muscles. It would seem that they had an advantage to ensure their survival over us. So why did we survive and they didn't? The Homo Sapiens, having a smaller flatter face with a narrower nose subsequently lost the accurate sense of smell that had allowed us to smell danger. Our olfactory bulb (nerve for smell) is the smallest among all human species, and when it went, about 14,000 years ago, we were ready to gain speech. This was due to the fact that we could now lift our lighter heads upward and forward giving us an advantage in seeing our prey, and free up the voice box to reverberate sounds. Roaming around in the forest one day, this hard working human (Homo Sapien) was busy gathering whatever the missus needed back at camp. Twigs, roots and the occasional lizard for lunch. These trusty dads had already spotted the rather large and scary four-legged wolf. The noise of the howling in the moonlight was quite a familiar sound to any village gathering. As food was cooked the smell was a powerful temptation to these mysterious animals and they would inch their way towards the camp, nibbling and scavenging the remains of the day. Presenting no apparent threat to the villages, who determined they were not about to be wolf lunch, wolves just sort of moved in on the happy campers and became a familiar part of the commune. They got to eat without too much effort of hunting and humans got their first pets. Wolves share a crucial similarity to humans. They are both social animals with complex communication. The wolf is highly skilled visually and reads information via body language. They watch each other's faces and movements and interpret gestures with a high degree of accuracy. They teach their young by complex movements and gestures just like us. Humans are nearly identical in this skill of reading the body language of other humans since so much is nonverbal in the way we move and gesticulate. So it's not surprising to discover that the human brain has 25 percent of its area devoted to visual ability. We are all aware that oftimes language is saying one thing and that movements and fine gestures are communicating something else. Life in and around the camp adjusted to the presence of the wolf. But an added boon became apparent very quickly. Since the sense of smell in humans had reduced their ability to detect oncoming prey, the noisy wolves sounded the alert when danger was immanent, because they could smell for miles. This interdependence was a cozy situation for both. Each understood the other in an easy symbiosis. For the wolf this was a good deal and they knew it. They chose us and in time man's best friend was the result. Despite our thinking that our favorite Benji understands the words we use, he still only recognizes the gestures, movements and the tonal sound of emotion, as any one who yells at a dog will know. They refuse to cooperate with irrational humans. All mammalian mothers are nurturing and, as new little wolf puppies arrived, human mothers and fathers took great pleasure in fussing and playing with them. Like human babies, wolf pups have big eyes and large heads, are playful and highly sociable. This nurturing behavior flooded us with gentling chemicals that assisted in developing our humanity and compassion for little things, and contributed to our domestication. Wild animals stay playful for a very short time after birth. One moment they are tumbling and silly, the next their fangs are bared and lunch becomes their focus. This is a result of chemicals in the brain which are solely for the flight or fight response. Fear ensures alertness to seek safety from prey, and
[CTRL] xxx Jesse Ventura
-Caveat Lector- Subject: xxx Jesse Ventura If there are any people who live in the same state as Ventura, please send me a post. This is a golden opportunity to launch the priority vote bill. They have so much power, most people think of the democrats as being part of our government. The fact is that they are just private organizations which have been created to control our government. These private organizations even have funneled government taxes to give them the power to hold control over the American people. With Ventura holding the governor's office, people of his state should begin to bombard his office with the priority vote bill. While masses of people are sickened by the party controllers they do not vote for the independent candidate they prefer because "they are afraid to waste their vote". Ventura now has to put the priority vote bill on the ballots and let the people of his state decide. With this voting system, the voter selects a candidate by preference 1 Ike Independent 2 xxx 3 yyy If he chose I first and xxx 2nd and Ike lost, he would not have "lost his vote". His 2nd choice would have the same effect as though it was his first. If the priority vote bill is put in place, people will no longer be forced to chose the lessor of the evils and the party mobs will lose their control over the American people. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please relay this post through out the internet and the state of Ventura. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New twist in O.J. saga
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote: Does this explain the murder of Ron Goldman and five of his friends, all connected to that restuarant--Mezaluna, or whatever? I've always thought there was more to the story, and no, I'm not talking about whether OJ did it or not, or whether there was organized crime (of whatever flavor) involvement... Namely, there were a fair amount of 'little things' which were easily ignored by the public, the media, the prosecution... Like, the whole reason for Goldman ostensibly going to Nicole Simpson's was to return a pair of sunglasses...either Nicole's or her mother's, I'm not sure...but it was reported that when the sunglasses were noticed to be missing, that Nicole called Mezzaluna's and told them they'd find the sunglasses in the gutter out in front of restaurant -- and that's supposedly where they were found... Now, these were supposed to be very expensive sunglasses...so it sounds strange that they'd just lie there in front of the restaurant without someone seeing them, and either stealing them, or turning them into the restaurant staff... So I always thought that the sunglasses story sounded like a convenient cover to explain Goldman's presence at Nicole's The time span for Goldman getting off work that night, going home and taking a shower to ostensibly go nightclubbing after stopping at Nicole's, getting dressed, and then arriving at Nicole's, has always seemed a little too short... The neighbors' explanations of being disturbed by a barking dog, and then their actions afterwards, always seemed to me to be that of people who for some reason were 'leaving something out'... And no one's ever explained to me why the people who took in the dog which was covered in blood, didn't think such a thing was unusual... from their description, they didn't even check to see if the dog was injured... And it seems that everyone connected with OJ -- his kids, and that 'hanger on', Kato...well, it seems that they all have crystal clear memories, and can account for every single second of that evening...something which most people can't do under normal circumstances, let alone traumatic ones... June *===* HAPPY SINTERKLAAS DAY! (may you only find treats in your shoe!) .-'-, ___`\/!/_=.'_ \`' `-x/_.'x-~ \ \` |\ hjw_`./_ `--"---' Wanna jazz up your mail? Try Flump's Ascii - www.xs4all.nl/~klr *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Twists Turns
-Caveat Lector- From Associated Press Netanyahu Angrily Accuses Arafat By NICOLAS B. TATRO Associated Press Writer JERUSALEM (AP) -- Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Sunday accused Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat of ``making a farce'' of the Wye River peace accords and said he would not agree to further troop withdrawals until there was a halt to anti-Israel violence. Netanyahu, in an interview with The Associated Press, said the Palestinians were encouraged to foment street riots and threaten to declare statehood. ``The Palestinians are making a farce out of the Wye River accord. They think they have the United States in their back pocket,'' said the Israeli leader. ``As long as that is the case, they will not change their behavior.'' Netanyahu said he did not believe the United States was siding with the Palestinians, but his remarks sent a strong signal that he would like President Clinton to intervene and lower Palestinian expectations prior to his Dec. 12-15 trip. Palestinians claim Israel has violated the summit agreement reached in October by not freeing jailed political activists, confiscating West Bank land for roads and allowing Jewish settlers to seize hilltops for expansion. Ahmed Qureia, speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council and the head of the peace team that negotiated the Oslo accords, told reporters Sunday ``all means of resistance'' was justified in opposing settler activity. Netanyahu, who rejected claims of settlement expansion as ``bunk,'' was interviewed in the Cabinet room after a meeting of his unruly coalition government, which rallied behind him on his tough stance. But officials said Science Minister Silvan Shalom attacked him for being too generous to the Palestinians by agreeing to the Clinton visit next week to Gaza and the West Bank. ``We are not going to give up territory when there are violations of the agreement and attempts to get things that weren't achieved at Wye using violence,'' Netanyahu said. Israel has threatened to scrap the next Israeli troop pullback, scheduled for Dec. 18, three days after Clinton's departure. The United States has said the pullback should go ahead as scheduled. Palestinians see the Clinton trip as implicit recognition of their struggle for statehood, even though Clinton has specifically said in an interview aired on Israel's Channel 2 television that it should not be read that way. There have been reports that Clinton's plane would fly from Jerusalem to the newly opened Palestinian airport in Gaza. Netanyahu made clear he would be annoyed if Air Force One landed at the airport, which aides said would be viewed as a strong symbol of support for Palestinian demands for sovereignty. ``We will be very disappointed if that is the case. We've said to the United States that we don't think that is necessary,'' Netanyahu said. He said traveling by motorcade would be quicker and more politically considerate. ``Unless somebody wants to put a thumb in our eye, I think there are better ways to travel,'' Netanyahu said. Netanyahu stressed that he opposed Palestinian statehood and demanded that Arafat stop threatening to declare independence on May 4, 1999, when the Palestinians maintain the Oslo accords expire. ``What must be is that Yasser Arafat retracts this open and incipient violation of the Oslo and Wye River accords and recommits himself to negotiating until we get white smoke, until we get a solution. That's the only way we'll get a real peace between Israel and the Palestinians,'' Netanyahu said. In a conciliatory speech over the weekend in Sweden, Arafat stressed that he sought a negotiated settlement and did not mention May 4 as a deadline. He also said any Palestinian state would not make alliances with states hostile to Israel, one of Netanyahu's key concerns. The Israeli leader also is demanding that Arafat drop claims that Netanyahu promised at Wye to release 750 Palestinians jailed for anti-Israel attacks that resulted in bloodshed, rather than freeing car thieves and petty criminals. Each side has a different interpretation of the understanding regarding the prisoners. Netanyahu maintains he never agreed to free those with ``blood on their hands.'' ``It's high time that Yasser Arafat admits this was agreed upon and that he's not going to make demands on Israel, including the incitement of violence ... on a trumped-up charge,'' he said. ``Israel never promised to release murders at Wye, and it won't release them.'' The issue has been the focal point for a new wave of violent protests and demonstrations in the West Bank and a hunger strike by 1,700 Palestinian inmates that began Saturday. Israel also is upset by statements that the nearly 600-member Palestinian National Council will not reaffirm in a vote that anti-Israel clauses in the Palestinian charter have been deleted. Netanyahu maintained that only 25 members out of hundreds who live abroad had been invited so far. Netanyahu quoted Clinton as
Re: [CTRL] Long-Neck Women
-Caveat Lector- Cleaning her entire neck brace took about 20 minutes, including time out to gossip with Mah Nang and other long-neck women nearby who were trying to sell souvenirs to some European tourists. And how long does it take western females to 'attend to their toilet'? As she spoke, a long-neck teenager displayed how itchiness under the coils is a problem, especially in Thailand's humidity. And let me tell you about itchiness under bras, especially underwired ones, and especially in humid weather... The teenage girl, sitting on a wooden bench in front of her hut, tugged at the coils to lift them slightly from underneath near her collar, and scratched herself under the lowest coils. Sounds like how one sneaks a scratch under an underwired bra It was impossible to determine if the tribe purposely stressed the positive aspects of the tradition in an effort to attract tourists. I doubt it...they don't view the neck coils as unusual or cruel, just like we don't view underwired bras that way... Or pantihose... Or hotrollers... Or starving oneself to achieve an artificial image of 'beauty' which is arbitrarily contrived by one's society... At Na Soi, meanwhile, the mood appeared relaxed and sometimes carefree as young long-neck girls teased each other, rode a bicycle, and gleefully admired themselves in postcards for sale. If they can ride bicycles, it sounds like the neck rings neither restrict nor constrict the wearer... June *===* HAPPY SINTERKLAAS DAY! (may you only find treats in your shoe!) .-'-, ___`\/!/_=.'_ \`' `-x/_.'x-~ \ \` |\ hjw_`./_ `--"---' Wanna jazz up your mail? Try Flump's Ascii - www.xs4all.nl/~klr *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- MJ wrote: A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words 'democracy', 'hate' and 'racism' immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell This, I believe to be true, but I also think that Facism, hate and racism also go together. Laissez faire capitalism means the complete separation of economy and state, just like the separation of church and state. Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled and unregulated economy where all land is privately owned. But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary, it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. Our country would be better off if we had a capatalist system such as this, but as you stated before... words change through constant association. Capitalism now is the subjugation of the poor by the rich in reality, mostly through the granting of charters to corporations. Corporations are not formed for the public good as they were supposed to be, but are formed to make the rich even richer through manipulating government laws. The essential nature of capitalism is social harmony through the pursuit of self-interest. Under capitalism, the individual's pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing each individual to act unhampered by government regulations, capitalism causes wealth to be created in the most efficient manner possible which ultimately raises the standard of living, increases the economic opportunities, and makes available an ever growing supply of products for everyone. From what I have seen in my lifetime, capitalism mostly raises the standard of living for those who already have a high standard of living, and there is very little "trickle down" to the common person who does the labor in the rich man's factory. An "ever growing" supply of products does no good for someone who cannot afford to buy them. If the business owners did share the wealth with the workers, that would be equitable, but I think, unrealistic by what I've seen so far. The free-market operates in such a way so that as one man creates more wealth for himself, he simultaneously creates more wealth for everyone, which means that as the rich become richer, the poor become richer too. It must be understood that capitalism serves the economic self-interests of all, including the non-capitalists. Could you explain in more detail how a man who creates more wealth for himself will simultaneously create more wealth for everyone? (Not trying to be sarcastic, just interested in your theory) Contrary to widely held beliefs, capitalism is not a system which exploits a large portion of society for the sake of a small minority of wealthy capitalists. Unfortunately that is just what this system is doing right now. I see that it is also not a pure capitalist system, an element of socialism is there... in a big way. Ironically, it is actually socialism that causes the systematic exploitation of labor. Since the socialist state holds a universal monopoly on labor and production, no economic incentive exists for the socialist state to provide anything more than minimum physical subsistence for the workers except to perhaps prevent riots or revolutions. This may depend on the leaders of such a system. If they/he/she want to be popular and stay in office (provided it is an elected office) it would be in their/her/his best interest to increase production, make the business more productive, pay more wages to the workers. Actually I can see no reason why the leader would not want everyone to be well off finacially, nothing to lose and everything to gain. Exploitation is inherent to the nature of socialism because individuals cannot exist for their own sake, rather, they exist merely as means to whatever ends the socialist rulers -- the self-proclaimed spokesman of "society," may have in mind. This could very well be the case if the rulers were not elected. Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but has it as many as government? Has it as many as marriage? Has it as many as religion? I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man that shows any genuine health and vigor. -- H. L. Menken Government
[CTRL] Universe Larger And Older Than Thought
-Caveat Lector- Through a Cosmic Lens - Universe Larger And Older Than Thought Dr David Whitehouse Science Editor BBC News Sci/Tech 12-1-98 An international team of astronomers have measured how fast the Universe is expanding and from that its age. They have found it to be larger and older than previously thought. The rate at which the Universe is expanding is measured by a number called the Hubble Constant. It can also be used to calculate how big and how old the Universe is. The researchers used a method that avoids the built-in uncertainties in other techniques and calculated the age to be about 15 billion years old. Astronomers have been arguing over the Hubble Constant for decades. Measuring it accurately was one of the reasons why the Hubble Space Telescope was built. American astronomer The Hubble Constant is named after American astronomer Edwin Hubble, who in the 1920s found that other galaxies were moving away from ours. "The Universe as a whole is expanding, like a lump of bread dough rising," said Dr Jim Lovell, leader of the team that made the measurement. "Like currants in the dough, the galaxies are all moving away from each other." "The further away a galaxy is, the faster it is moving away from us. The Hubble Constant links the galaxy's distance with its speed." To measure the Hubble constant, Dr Lovell looked at distant objects in space. Distant quasar "We have been looking at light from a very distant quasar - a galaxy with an extremely bright centre," he said. "Quasars usually look like small spots but this one looks like a ring. Its image has been distorted by the gravity of a galaxy lying between us and the quasar. We're seeing a sort of mirage of the distant quasar." The process that makes the mirage is called gravitational lensing, and was predicted by Einstein. Light that ends up on one side of the ring has travelled along a different path to the light on the other side, he said. "These paths are different lengths. When the quasar puts out more radiation, one side of the ring varies before the other. We put that time-lag together with other information we know about the system - redshifts and angles - and out pops the Hubble Constant." Gravity lens The technique sounds simple but it has taken until now to use it successfully. This "gravity lens" is called PKS 1830-211 and was discovered in 1991 by astronomers from the Australia Telescope National Facility (ATNF), the University of Tasmania and Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. It is the strongest gravitational lens ever found - 10 times brighter than any other known lens. It is 14 billion light-years away, while the galaxy distorting its image is 8 billion light-years away. "As more good lens systems become known, more groups are trying to measure the Hubble Constant in this way," said Dr Lovell. Our value of the Hubble constant is about 20% lower than the one got with the Hubble Space Telescope in 1994." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Plus or Minus ??
-Caveat Lector- From The Times (UK) December 5 1998 EUROPEPicture: Line EU talks 'doomed to failure' Blair clashes with Chirac in cashback row BY JILL SHERMAN, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, IN ST MALO A NEW row over Europe cast a shadow over Anglo-French relations last night when Tony Blair clashed openly with President Chirac over Britain's rebate from the European Union. M Chirac said critical talks on the future of the EU were "doomed to failure" unless Britain was prepared to negotiate over its annual £2 billion rebate. But Mr Blair, sitting just feet away from his host at the Anglo-French summit in St Malo, insisted he would not budge. Their sharp exchange left the Prime Minister evidently furious. Their two-day summit was designed to be a landmark meeting, highlighting new levels of cross-Channel co-operation and the signing of a historic defence deal. But the two leaders parted on a sour note. It also opened up a second front in the Government's current stand-off with some of its EU partners, shifting the focus away from the disagreements over tax harmonisation. In his introductory remarks at the closing summit press conference, M Chirac insisted everything should be discussed during the present talks over financial agreements for enlargement of the EU. "We need to put everything on the table and each should make a contribution to the overall agreement ... but it is not going to be easy for anyone," he said. Mr Blair made it clear, however, that the EU rebate was not up for negotiation. "We have made our position clear ... the British rebate is there for a particular reason and that reason remains." But M Chirac immediately hit back: "If we start with the principle that everything that is mine is mine and that everything that is everyone else's is negotiable then we are doomed to failure." He added, with Mr Blair glaring at his side: "We have just agreed with the Germans, French and the Italians that we must accept to put everything on the table and discuss everything. I don't mean that we give any undertakings about the outcome. But it is a methodology of approach - everything with an open mind." Pressed by journalists, a frosty Mr Blair said: "I stand by the British rebate. What is important is that we have full and positive discussions and every other country does the same." The argument overshadowed a declaration on European defence which was billed as the key achievement of the Anglo-French summit. Mr Blair and M Chirac signed up to an agreement of principle that the EU should develop its own military power. The French also agreed with Britain to try to secure a reprieve for duty free shopping, due to end next June. But despite what seemed to be a largely successful summit President Chirac appeared determined to put Tony Blair on the spot over Britain's EU rebate. Margaret Thatcher initially negotiated the rebate in 1984 at Fontainebleau. Currently Britain pays in about £8 billion and gets roughly £5.7 billion back in subsidies and grants, leaving a net contribution of about £2.3 billion. Britain then receives a rebate of about £2 billion, which is expected to fall next year to £1.4 billion. Germany contributes about £15.8 billion and France £9.8 billion but both countries receive no rebate. Today eight member states pay in more than they take out . In descending order, they are: Germany, Holland, Sweden, Austria, Britain, France, Italy and Finland. The rest still take out more than they put in. ~~~ December 5 1998 EUROPEPicture: Line Britain and France sign up to defend Europe BY MICHAEL EVANS DEFENCE EDITOR THE European Union must be able to call on "credible military forces" to deal with crises, the British and French Governments declared yesterday at the end of a two-day summit in St Malo. Both Governments agreed that the highest priority should now be given to providing the EU with a defence policy that has forces to match, although they were adamant this development would strengthen Nato, not weaken it. When George Robertson, the Defence Secretary, was asked yesterday whether the aim was to strengthen the EU at the expense of Nato, he said the alliance would remain the cornerstone of European defence. Alain Richard, his French counterpart, agreed. But, with Britain enthusing about the Union taking on a defence role, M Richard indicated that there was little need for France to rejoin Nato's integrated structure. France, he said, was fully engaged in alliance operations: in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Nato troops led by a French general are to be sent as an "extraction force" to rescue the peace verification team in neighbouring Kosovo in an emergency. The new defence pact between Britain and France, drawing the two countries' military capabilities closer together, was signed aboard the Royal Navy destroyer, HMS Birmingham, at St Malo. The joint declaration said that the EU "must have the capacity for autonomous action, backed up by
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Faulted For Not Opening Archives (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/98 1:08:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just telling you--and Jim--what has been previously discussed on this list and that documents were provided to support the fact that prior to entering the priesthood, this man was a salesman and poison gas was what he sold. OK, I hear you, SnowOwl. However, don't believe all the documents that are posted in a place like this list. Yes, i enjoy the list and some of the folks on it including you. I also appreciate receiving information not otherwise available. But when some of the various sources on this list feed you slander against the pope, "documented" all over the place, be more than a bit wary. For one thing, some members of this list are haters by their nature. They don't really hate the pope or Catholics generally, or Jews, or foreigners. By particularizing their rage, these haters are able to intellectualize their venom and spin fantastic webs of pseudo history to make themselves appear sane. There are some perfectly fine people on this list and there are some ravenous wolves. Take care Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Aristocracy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/98 1:08:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What with the British Parliament embroiled in affairs of peerage and heredity, and the US Congress embroiled in impeachment efforts and the world economy collapsing... Yes, it is incredible, SnowOwl. Especially when one considers the chasm between our founding fathers; Washington, Jefferson (no double meaning intended), Franklin, etc. and, later, Lincoln, and later, FDR, Truman, DDE. It is as though God's hand was on America and has now been withdrawn. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New twist in O.J. saga
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/98 1:08:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this explain the murder of Ron Goldman and five of his friends, all connected to that restuarant--Mezaluna, or whatever? Let us not forget the trail of blood and DNA from the murder scene right into OJ's bedroom and bath. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Justice Department Probes CIA For Possible Leaks
-Caveat Lector- Justice Department Probes CIA For Possible Leaks Copyright © 1998 Nando Media Copyright © 1998 The Associated Press WASHINGTON (December 5, 1998 7:39 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -- The Justice Department is conducting an obstruction-of-justice probe of CIA officials who passed along to a satellite contractor sensitive information about a Senate investigation into technology transfers to China. Government officials reached late Friday said the criminal investigation centers on information passed by the intelligence agency to Hughes Electronics Corp., maker of both commercial and spy satellite systems. At issue is whether that information compromised a Senate Intelligence Committee investigation into allegations that Hughes and other U.S. companies violated federal export laws by sharing restricted technology with China as part of commercial satellite export deals. There is no dispute that the CIA passed information on to Hughes -- the CIA has acknowledged as much to both the Senate committee and the Justice Department. The question being examined by the department is whether the CIA broke the law in doing so. "The CIA is cooperating fully with the investigation," said an agency spokesman. The probe was first reported in today's editions of The Washington Post and the New York Times . U.S. officials familiar with the investigation said it focused on two incidents in which information connected with the Senate investigation was passed by CIA officials to counterparts at Hughes. The CIA told Hughes officials that one of the agency's analysts, Ronald Pandolfi, had told Senate investigators that he had concluded as early as 1995 that Hughes had become too aggressive in marketing technology to China. CIA officials also advised Hughes that some company officials might be called before the Senate panel. The agency further sought to make available to Senate investigators the names of Hughes executives who were familiar with the technology transfers to China and could give their version of the disagreements with Pandolfi. When the CIA informed the panel it had told Hughes that company officials might have to testify, committee staffers and some senators were furious, according to officials familiar with the case. Several CIA officials, including general counsel Robert McNamara, are scheduled to testify before a federal grand jury investigating the CIA's role in the Hughes case. The potential case against the CIA appears to boil down to one of interpretation. Some on the intelligence committee argue that the CIA may have obstructed justice by revealing to Hughes information about the committee investigation. The CIA, according to U.S. officials familiar with the case, argues that the information passed on to Hughes was shared in the normal course of business and that the committee was informed of the information sharing. "At worst, this could be viewed as a miscommunication among government agencies," said one U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity. Several investigations -- both by the Justice Department and Congress -- have focused on concerns that China received valuable information useful in improving ballistic missiles from U.S. contractors who were ostensibly working with China on commercial satellite projects. By JOHN DIAMOND, Associated Press Writer Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's Midi: http://www.anomalous-images.com/Black_Friday.mid Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How 'hitman' met Simpson (htt
-Caveat Lector- Is it possible to have the first part of the "Simpson" story reposted. I got cut off and lost the story before I could download it. Thanks! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Perot Conspiracy to Delay Direct Democracy?
-Caveat Lector- This question is relevant, especially considering that some folks believe Gov.-elect Jesse Ventura's campaign was financed by none other than Perot. Today, campaigns need huge amounts of money. Regardless of party. Reform, Dem or GOP. Bottom line, you need cash. And if you win, most likely you had big 'n solid financial backing. And many believe that Ventura won, in part, to WWW help. His core audience, age group 20-30, voted and supported him more than any other group and helped him win the governorship. And these folks use the Net the most. So, if Perot's man won, and used the WWW, and won, due in part to the Net, why would someone like Perot or any Reformist candidate not support the Net? Is there more to this? Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- What do you think? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 11:38:45 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] Is Ross Perot a Liar like Preston Manning? From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] For forwarding to Ross Perot directly and personally via [EMAIL PROTECTED]. On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The great thing about internet voting is that is HAS TO LEAD to a more comprehensive review of the issues and candidates. I expect so. It is all too easy for politicians to evade issues when they are presented by conventional media. However, the evasiveness is very obvious when it stays on the computer screens of the world. I discussed with other CITIZENS at a political meeting yesterday the prospect that both Preston Manning in Canada, Federal Reform and Official Opposition Leader in the Canadian Parliament and Ross Perot are just establishment shills disguised as reformers. In other words, their purpose is the delay and frustrating of direct democracy, not its implementation. Manning, I would say is one of the most dishonest political leaders in the last few decades of Canadian politics. Nothing has stopped him from honouring the signed commitment all of his MP's make to direct democracy. It can be done using one of many systems for an electronic infrastructure. A thing like the ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL first discussed by Ross Perot would turn our world around. Internet voting is a step in the right direction. Sure it would. And what is stopping Ross Perot, computer tycoon, from lending 40 computers to Ted White, MP for a trial of direct electronic democracy in his riding of North Vancouver? The 40 internet connected computers would go in shopping centres, libraries etc. Recall and referendum proposals would go directly to the constituency office of the MP. Presently there is great public interest in a referendum on the Nisga'a Treaty which is a Nisga'a Nation-Federal-Provincial contract. Polls are running 2:1 in favour of a referendum in BC. The BC Reform Caucus holds most of the seats in BC. Starting with the Ted White riding they could implement a province-wide system of internet kiosks which would first see use for the Nisga'a Treaty. That would send a strong signal to the government of Canada about the kind of democracy this entire country should have to honour its Constitutional/Charter of Rights and Freedoms commitment to a "democractic society". If Perot were to design the electronic system for such a trial of direct electronic democracy and lend the equipment to Ted White he would prove his own sincerity and reap great political benefits. But the big question is whether Perot is being any more honest with the public than Manning. FWP. Thanks, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL
Re: [CTRL] Long-Neck Women -So This Isn't A Myth??
-Caveat Lector- The only other time I heard of these women was in The Sun, a cheap supermarket tabloid. I thought that their staff had fabricated this story. So I guess these women really do exist! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why Waco? Patriots Respond!
-Caveat Lector- This message has been posted APFN MESSAGE BOARD: APFN MESSAGE BOARD IS AN OPEN FORUM - POST DIRECTLY http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb77532 "We can secure other people's approval if we do right and try hard. But our own is worth a hundred of it, and no way has been found out of securing that."-- Mark Twain Subject: Re: Why Waco? Patriots Respond! Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 08:24:30 -0500 From: Carol Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Real-To: Carol Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please allow me to respond to Ms. Valentine's factually flawed response to criticism of her work: Subject: Re: Why Waco? Patriots Respond! Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:48:40 -0500 From: "Carol A. Valentine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip non-valentine comments Gary apparently has not read the US government's Treasury Report. On pg. 92 it describes "former cult members" (note the plural use of the word) who were in the "Compound" at the time of the raid. http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/doc/w_doc16.gif These agents were apparently deployed throughout the building, studying and later reporting the reaction of the Davidians to the news of the impending ATF raid. **What the Treasury reports as "former members in the Compound at the time" who later gave the feds information are three people who were members on February 28 and left the building after the raid. One was Victoria Hollingsworth, an elderly lady who lost faith in David Koresh after the raid. One was Kathryn Schroeder who was sent to a federal prison and there seriously intimidated with lies that Hollingsworth's testimony would put her in prison for life and she'd never see her kids again. Both testified at trial against Davidian defendants. And 19 year old Oliver Gyarfas evidently was bullied into giving the feds some information, but but he was allowed to return to Australia and did not testify at trial. When you bother to look at details you see no evidence to support Ms. Valentine's irresponsible and libelous accusations that these people were "government agents." There is other evidence, though. For example, go to: http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/page/w_d.html and read "Smart Diagram of the Mt. Carmel Center " and "Dumb Diagram of the Mt. Carmel Center." You will see evidence that a deep cover agent/agents were living amongst the Davidians, informing the govt. on the location of the living quarters and offices of the Davidians before the raid. **I have heard that this map was made with information given by Kathryn Schroeder after she was bullied. Some of it may have been supplied by Donald Bunds who was arrested on 2/28 trying to return to Mount Carmel, held during the siege, bullied into giving information, but not called at trial. Neither were government agents before the raid, as Ms. Valentine might infer. Deep cover agents also took down the ham radio tower before the ATF raid . . . and set up a virtual test laboratory of surveillance devices within the Mt. Carmel Center (see London Times article of March 21, 1993 at: http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/fig/w_fig01.jpg **This article says nothing of the sort. It merely talks about the kind of surveillance that supposedly was being used *after* the raid happened. Since all residents of Mount Carmel are known, and most are now dead, it would lend some credibility if Ms. Valentine would name these (assumedly still alive) deep cover agents. But she has no evidence and cannot do so. non valentine material deleted C.Moore fails to mention, among other things, that the USHMM helped President Clinton hide the murders of the Davidians from the US public. How? The inferno at Mt. Carmel had hardly gone out when the USHMM presented Clinton as guest of honor at the dedication of the USHMM held on *April 19, 1993.* While *affirming* the holocaust of the Jews during WWII, Clinton used the backdrop of the USHMM dedication to *deny* the Davidian holocaust, and to make the false claim that the Davidians had committed suicide! As usual, Ms. Valentine gets her facts wrong. If you go to http://www.pub.whitehouse.gov/retrieve-documents.html you can do a search of press briefings that include Clinton's doings. On 4-19-93 evening he did have a private tour of the Museum. But the actual (long planned) dedication was April 22, 1993. At the time I was disgusted by Clinton's words of outrage vs. Nazi deeds, considering his deeds at Waco. However, I have not seen a transcript of all of his words and would appreciate Ms. Valentine's supplying one to prove that he explicitly mentioned Waco. Also there have been various rumors Clinton met with the Chinese and with Bosnia serbs on April 19. If so, it wasn't a publiclly announced event. And not one of the "Never Again" crowd opened his mouth or uttered a word of condemnation or comment on the public slaughter of the Davidian innocents just
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- MJ wrote: A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words 'democracy', 'hate' and 'racism' immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, I believe to be true, but I also think that Facism, hate and racism also go together. MJ: Hmmm ... fascism (fàsh´îz´em) noun A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. racism (râ´sîz´em) noun The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. hate (hât) verb To feel hostility or animosity toward, To detest. MJ: Laissez faire capitalism means the complete separation of economy and state, just like the separation of church and state. Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled and unregulated economy where all land is privately owned. But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary, it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our country would be better off if we had a capatalist system such as this, but as you stated before... words change through constant association. Capitalism now is the subjugation of the poor by the rich in reality, mostly through the granting of charters to corporations. Corporations are not formed for the public good as they were supposed to be, but are formed to make the rich even richer through manipulating government laws. MJ: My POINT was that what *you* identify (but more pertinent -- what the 'indictor' of Capitalism was positing) is NOT capitalism, but something else. America -- though not explicitly stated -- is idealically to be as identified above, but the Government has usurped additional powers not so granted AND utilized its ability for the 'legalized' use of FORCE to wield havoc. MJ: The essential nature of capitalism is social harmony through the pursuit of self-interest. Under capitalism, the individual's pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing each individual to act unhampered by government regulations, capitalism causes wealth to be created in the most efficient manner possible which ultimately raises the standard of living, increases the economic opportunities, and makes available an ever growing supply of products for everyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I have seen in my lifetime, capitalism mostly raises the standard of living for those who already have a high standard of living, and there is very little "trickle down" to the common person who does the labor in the rich man's factory. An "ever growing" supply of products does no good for someone who cannot afford to buy them. If the business owners did share the wealth with the workers, that would be equitable, but I think, unrealistic by what I've seen so far. MJ: America has NOT a capitalist economy, but a mixed economy. As to your concerns ... look at the 'imaginary' poverty figures and notice how many 'poor' persons have automobiles, air conditiong, televisions, etc. :) MJ: The free-market operates in such a way so that as one man creates more wealth for himself, he simultaneously creates more wealth for everyone, which means that as the rich become richer, the poor become richer too. It must be understood that capitalism serves the economic self-interests of all, including the non-capitalists. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you explain in more detail how a man who creates more wealth for himself will simultaneously create more wealth for everyone? (Not trying to be sarcastic, just interested in your theory) MJ: Look at Bill Gates. How many persons did/does *he* employ in his 'quest'? How many have become 'millionaires'? How many people now have home computers? ... for instance. Look at Rockefeller who CONTRARY to myth, made great strides in oil refining, lowered oil prices, created a 'boom' in
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- We tried "pure capitalism" once it was called the 1900s and the industrial revolution. Every one seems to forget about how nice it was. Try reading about how great it worked how every time a robber baron made more money his workers got nothing.Not to mention the depressions that are inherent to "pure capitalism". DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We tried "pure capitalism" once it was called the 1900s and the industrial revolution. Every one seems to forget about how nice it was. Try reading about how great it worked how every time a robber baron made more money his workers got nothing.Not to mention the depressions that are inherent to "pure capitalism". MJ: America was never 'purely capitalist'. The 'ignorance' (no disrespect intended) of your statement above sheds light on how well a government in need of power has succeeded in spreading their mythology -- Big Bad Freedom needing a Politician to ensure his whimsical policies provide the illusion of benefit. For so-called 'Robber Barons' ... begin with Folsom's _MYTH of the Robber Baron_. For so-called 'inherent depressions' ... A depression is a large-scale decline in production and trade; it is characterized by a sharp drop in productive output, in investment, in employment and in the value of capital assets (plants, machinery, etc.) Normal business fluctuations, or a temporary decline in the rate of industrial expansion, do not constitute a depression. A depression is a nation-wide contraction of business activity -- and a general decline in the value of capital assets -- of major proportions. There is NOTHING in the nature of a free-market economy to cause such an event. The popular explanations of depression as caused by 'over-production', 'under-consumption', monopolies, labor-saving devices, maldistribution, excessive accumulations of wealth, etc., have been exploded as fallacies many times. (refer to _Capitalism the Creator_ by Carl Snyder, The Macmillan Company 1940) Regard$, --MJ The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -- Thomas Jefferson to M. L'Hommande, 1787 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Prisoners Early Reactors To Perceived Y2K Threat?
-Caveat Lector- PRISONERS EARLY REACTORS TO PERCEIVED Y2K THREAT? - (CNNS, 12/06/98) -- Much panic is already evident over a perceived threat to "The System" due to possible glitches coming from the "Y2K" "millenium bug." This news service (Conspiracy Nation News Service; CNNS) is wary of widespread hysteria associated with the perceived Y2K problem. Many are putting their hopes into Y2K, that it will destroy the UNFATHOMABLE EVIL emanating from THE HIVE OF REGULATORS in Washington, D.C., themselves acting under orders from their CORPORATE OVERSEERS. Nonetheless, this editor studied and gained a degree in computer science, in 1985, and can state from his own experience that THE Y2K PROBLEM WAS KNOWN AND DISCUSSED AS FAR BACK AS 1985. Hence, Y2K may well be a very real problem and not just the latest hysteria. Recently, information has been obtained by this news service that members of the U.S. prison population, now totaling over 1 MILLION AMERICANS, are generally a lot more savvy about potential consequences of the perceived Y2K problem than is the average American. In a communication received from source "Roland Rocket" (pseudonym), an insider connected to the U.S. "correctional" system, this INDEPENDENT NEWS SERVICE (CNNS) has learned that dire situations may soon be expected amongst the U.S. prison populace. According to "Mr. Rocket," in the 1950s, the late J. Edgar Hoover, decades-long MAJOR-DOMO of the FBI, instituted a policy commonly known as THE HOOVER AMENDMENT. The licentious FBI Director, concerned that the prison population would be likely survivors of a nuclear war, caused the Board of Prisons (BOP) to enact a policy whereby, in such an event, prisoners were to be locked down then SHOTGUNNED TO DEATH in their prison cells. After providing this background, "Roland Rocket" updates the situation, pointing out that, "All new cell blocks have central heating and cooling ducts that allow for the mass introduction of lethal gases." Several potential scenarios emerge. Suppose Y2K disrupts the distribution of prison personnel's payroll checks. Says "Mr. Rocket": "Many have said that they will walk off the job if the checks stop coming." Or suppose these prison personnel, in the event of an actual Y2K crisis, are given orders, per the "Hoover Amendment", to exterminate prisoners? "Many of the administration and custody officers say that they didn't sign on to become Nazis," writes "Roland Rocket". Also ominous in this scenario is whether the prisoners, through the prison "grapevine", have already intuited the danger to themselves and will react accordingly. "Mr. Rocket" claims the inmates already know about at least the disruptive potential, and even the possiblity of "Hoover Amendment" executions, related to Y2K and he foresees the following: "Inmates know about it. The new ones have learned about it from the old ones. Inmates are survivors in the strictest sense and they are remorseless. Expect to see an increase in violence and escapes in the prisons of America within the next two years. I expect a major prison problem with the first hint that Y2K may have some validity. The inmates won't wait to the last minute as will many of the others in this country. Even if Y2K is a fizzle, perception is reality to most of these people. They will act if their perception is one that includes the POSSIBILITY of their deaths." + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the
Re: [CTRL] Killing unwanted people
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Dec 98 , Laura wrote: -Caveat Lector- Legalized Drugs? The main one that I see right now is Marajana. Monsanto sells most if not all the rape seed to grow Canola Oil. Who sells the Marajana seed, and wants to sell it in America? Laura The Pied Piper Just to let you know that Grapeseed oil reappeared this past week at the Grand Union. Bought two big bottles just incase it disappears again. $4.99 for 1 quart +. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Did You Know 8
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for the suggestion. When I think of the CIA, I think of the old song parody "They're everywhere!" "They're everywhere!" Lady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- The December 2l, l998 issue of THE NATION has a marvelous article by Peter Kornbluh about Pinochet and our part in making his governmental policies. It appears the British are not all fond of him either. There is one spot in the article where a British columnist for THE INDEPENDENT responds to Chileans lobbying for Pinochet's release by writing: "Your beloved general is safe from us. He will not be tortured, stabbed or shot, or have electrodes attached to his genitals. We will not drop him from a helicopter into the sea, kidnap his grandchildren, break his hands or gouge his eyes. Our most vengeful hope is that he and his family may feel--if only for a second--one billionth part of the terrible pain and mental agony that he so pompously and callously visited on others." And our CIA could always chime in just like the kid in the commercials with, "And I helped." There's one observation that the CIA's Santiago station chief, Stuart Burton, maintained "a close relationship: with DINA commander Col. Manuel Contreras. They used to go on SUnday picnics together with their families. It's a humdinger of an article, and I recommend it highly. The Calvin Trillin poem alone is worth the price of the magazine. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Killing unwanted people
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/1998 7:25:28 PM, you wrote: Ugenics ... don't know how to spell it, but look it up and give America the credit it is due. It's spelled "eugenics." Best, HA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Weekly Analysis -- December 7, 1998
_ Try the Asia Intelligence Update http://www.stratfor.com/services/aiu/ _ Global Intelligence Update Red Alert December 7, 1998 Weekend Revelation of CIA Leaks to Hughes Electronics Baffling and Explosive On Saturday morning, December 5, both the New York Times and the Washington Post ran stories claiming that officials of Hughes Electronics had been warned by agents of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency that they would be called to testify before Congress on the sale of satellite technology to China. This report is explosive because, if true, these agents would be guilty of a massive security breach. Since the story appeared simultaneously in both the Times and the Post, this was a deliberate decision on somebody's part to plant explosives beneath someone in the CIA. Now, although we only know what we read in the newspapers, it is more than enough to make us wonder what in the world is going on. The unofficial official explanation from the Agency was bizarre. It acknowledged that CIA officials had informed Hughes people that they were going to be summoned by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) to testify on technology transfers to China. Moreover, it was acknowledged that the leak had been approved by the Agency. They did not claim that this was some unauthorized accident by a junior employee. The official counter-leaks went on to assert that, whoever approved it, it was not CIA Director George Tenet. The Associated Press cited an anonymous CIA official as asserting, "This was not the kind of thing that reached Tenet's desk." So the party line is that CIA employees did warn Hughes officials, that they were authorized to do so by someone with enough clout to authorize such a thing, but that the authorization didn't come from the top because DCI had no knowledge of the SSCI proceeding. That's a little hard to believe. The DCI, we would think, normally likes to stay on top of anything having to do with the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Given that this is an already highly sensitive matter that has directly affected the President himself, it is more than a little hard to believe that Tenet doesn't keep himself informed of every detail. But let's assume that he did not authorize the leak. Let's also accept that the people who did the leaking were authorized to do so. Who did the authorizing? Hughes is a major contractor for the intelligence community. Hundreds or even thousands of intelligence employees for all sorts of agencies have daily contact with Hughes employees. But few of these are senior enough to authorize a leak of this sort. And, more important, none of these GS-12s have access to sensitive SSCI papers. We would expect that anything involving the SSCI, the President, campaign contributions, and possible criminality is handled at stratospheric levels in the Agency. If not Tenet, then who in the CIA has access to SSCI-sensitized information? Who has the ability to authorize lower level officials with daily contact with Hughes to pass on information? Who can access Agency's command and control mechanism to pass on such an authorization? Who has that much clout AND a reason to issue such a risky authorization? We give up too. So let's try to approach this from a different direction. What would be the reason for the leak? The obvious answer is to warn Hughes that it is coming. Well, when you think about it, that's a pretty feeble reason. Hughes officials were not about to be kidnapped off the street to testify. A nice letter would be sent on Senate stationary and a date, several days or weeks away would be arranged. The Hughes people would have plenty of time to prepare their testimony. Why risk all of this just to give the Hughes people some extra time to prepare? Besides, the Hughes folks had to know that all sorts of investigations were going on. They read the papers. According to the Post story, there is an innocent explanation being leaked by the CIA. This explanation revolves around a CIA analyst called Ronald Pandolfi, who testified to the SSCI in the Fall of 1998 that Hughes had been "too aggressive" in marketing technology to China. Pandolfi's testimony originated in a study he did in 1995. Back then, Hughes executives had complained to CIA officials about Pandolfi's research. The office that deals with Hughes reprimanded Pandolfi. After Pandolfi's testimony this year, this office informed Hughes of Pandolfi's views. It also offered Hughes that it would give the SSCI a list of Hughes officials that could refute Pandolfi's views. So, it was only in this sense that Hughes was told that they would be called to testify. Only in this sense??!! What this unofficial explanation implies is that it was not the fact that they were going to be called before the SSCI that was being conveyed to Hughes, but rather that the issue before the SSCI was
[CTRL] Analysis of The Pelican Brief: Literary Threat Targeting The U.S. Supreme Court.
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5811/pelican.html A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5811/pelican.html" http://www.geocities.com/.../5811/pelican.html/A - Analysis of The Pelican Brief: Literary Threat Targeting The U.S. Supreme Court. The Pelican brief is a literary threat targeting the U.S. Supreme Court concerning a real case that was in the federal circuit in 1992; one that has the potential of eventually being reviewed by the Supreme Court. The case is the engineering student's federal civil rights action, cv-92-3553 (NHP) Newark, NJ. How can a book which appears to be about an illegal oil business(oil drilling on federally protected land), and a smart law student from Tulane University, be compared or associated with a real federal civil rights action that was pending in the courts at the time? A very good question. Federal Courthouse, Newark, NJ Where cv-92-3553 was filed Not only are there names in the Pelican Brief that are either defendant names in cv-92-3553 or associated with the case in some way, but the basic elements of the story coincide with that of the federal civil rights case. People who are "inside" the system are familar with this technique of targeting___and understood the threat that it conveyed to the law community and the U.S. Supreme Court. The character names in the Pelican Brief that are used to link the book to the case are: The senior law clerk - ? Kline, and the FBI Director's name ? Lewis. Coincidence? There is a defendant in cv-92-3553 with the name Teresa Kline; and defendant Kline worked at the (NASA)Lewis Research Center. These are the literary links to the case. A smart law student from Tulane might say that at this point there still is the possibility of coincidence. Okay, lets continue with the analysis. The Premise of the Pelican Brief The Pelican brief, broken down into its basic elements, is about an illegal business(billion dollar oil company that wanted to drill on federally protected land). The land was protected by federal statute because it was the habitat of the Brown Pelican, an endangered species. The federal court being the guardian of the Brown Pelican's right to exist/survive. The case supportive the Brown Pelican's right to exist was working its way through the federal court system___final destination: the U.S. Supreme Court. So, the Billion dollar company decided to fix the deck! They began assasinating Supreme Court judges in order to insure a favorable Supreme Court ruling. So, we have a helpless animal and the federal court system vs. an illegal (because of federal law) billion dollar industryand the business men murdering Supreme Court Justices to obtain a favorable ruling. This is the scandal that Darby Shaw(Julia Robert's character) exposed in the Pelican Brief. The Elements of the Engineering Student's Civil Rights Action On the surface, the student's federal civil rights action addresses government retaliation by a federal employer___but case(cv-92-3553) exposes more than that! The federal complaint exposes the conspiracy that manipulated the student into the situation with the U.S. Army Propulsion Directorate(the student was a hard worker___he didn't do anything to provoke them), and it exposes the federally illegal(un-Constitutional) business that the defendants are involved in__a billion dollar industry of illegal gambling(RICO), exploitation, and worse! A smart Tulane law student would probably ask what if the case is litigated until it reaches the U.S. Supreme Court? What then? In that case we are left with a helpless animal, the student, (those inside the system consider the student as such) and the federal court system vs. an illegal (because of federal law) billion dollar industry. The student's right to survive, exist, protected by Constitutional law and federal statute. The illegal billion dollar business destroys people__and when the people are of no use, they are exterminated(i.e. murdered) or locked up(set-up!) This is the reason the student was chased across the country and imprisoned in Nevada for 360 days after he filed cv-92-3553, Newark. The federal complaint exposed the illegal billion dollar enterprise__ i.e. it exposed the system. The Real Meaning of the "Pelican Brief" The Pelican Brief was a literary threat against the federal court system and constitutional democracy___the people involved in the billion dollar illegal business were targeting the federal court system (The U.S. Supreme Court). A smart Tulane law student would at this point say that the probability of coincidence is extremely slight and the book was utilized to target the federal court. This page is under construction. WEM 9/1/97 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
Re: [CTRL] [15] The Last Circle (last chapter)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/5/98 11:40:49 PM, you wrote: Can you send the following Chapter of the Last Circle in "DownLoad mode" instead of regular? Chapters: 1,2,3,4,5,8,14 Thanks in advance SHAYSA Howdy, They can be found at http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/ Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Dec 98 , M. wrote: Contrary to widely held beliefs, capitalism is not a system which exploits a large portion of society for the sake of a small minority of wealthy capitalists. Ironically, it is actually socialism that causes the systematic exploitation of labor. Since the socialist state holds a universal monopoly on labor and production, no economic incentive exists for the socialist state to provide anything more than minimum physical subsistence for the workers except to perhaps prevent riots or revolutions. Exploitation is inherent to the nature of socialism because individuals cannot exist for their own sake, rather, they exist merely as means to whatever ends the socialist rulers -- the self-proclaimed spokesman of "society," may have in mind. Which goes a long way to explain why millions of ordinary citizens are now prospering under Russia's new capitalist regine. Not to mention all the various regions of the Asian world.and South America, too. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A COCKROACH REMEDY FOR SNOW OWL
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Dec 98 , KA wrote: .-'-, ___`\/!/_=.'_ \`' `-x/_.'x-~ \ \` |\ hjw_`./_ `--"---' Wanna jazz up your mail? Try Flump's Ascii - www.xs4all.nl/~klr Something wrong with this URL? I tried it and couldn't get there. Happy flying! sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Faulted For Not Opening Archives (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Dec 98 , Gerald wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/3/98 4:07:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the archives where you will find some documentation to support the fact that the present pope, prior to his election, supplied gas to the Nazis which was used in the concentration camps. This is so off the wall that i can only assume that you are finding pleasure in feeding "Jim's" thirst for cockamamie. The current pope is well hated by many merely because he is such a powerful model and spokesman for Christianity. He has nothing to fear from slander. Jerry, I'm not trying to "slander" the Pope. Just telling you--and Jim--what has been previously discussed on this list and that documents were provided to support the fact that prior to entering the priesthood, this man was a salesman and poison gas was what he sold. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Aristocracy
-Caveat Lector- Does make you wonder What with the British Parliament embroiled in affairs of peerage and heredity, and the US Congress embroiled in impeachment efforts and the world economy collapsing... Who's at the wheel? Who's minding the store? And What happens next? Is someone trying to tell us that how these two great governmental bodies spend their time matters not a whit? Very, very strange sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New twist in O.J. saga
-Caveat Lector- Does this explain the murder of Ron Goldman and five of his friends, all connected to that restuarant--Mezaluna, or whatever? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
