[CTRL] Here Comes Da Judge ...
-Caveat Lector- From SalonMagazine.CoM Here comes the judge Chief Justice William Rehnquist's writings on impeachment contain good news for President Clinton. BY JEFF STEIN | With the momentum for impeachment rolling like a freight train through the House of Representatives, few people seem to have noticed that the Democrats have the capacity to pull the emergency brake early in any Senate trial. If Chief Justice William Rehnquist doesn't beat them to it. It's clear that by voting along party lines, the Democrats have far more than enough votes to prevent the conviction of President Clinton, which would require 67 votes, or two-thirds of the Senate. The Republicans have only 55 votes, the Democrats 45 -- 11 more than they need to block the Republicans' every move. End of story. Or, as the lawyers put it, impeachment will be moot. "The Washington Post is not likely to see the wisdom of the arithmetic until after the House votes," a conservative federal judge noted wryly in a conversation over the weekend. One of a handful of votes on procedural issues in the Senate, he forecast, would demonstrate the Democrats' strength, at which point the Republicans might as well throw down their guns. "I'm quite astonished no one has pointed that out," said the judge, a Republican appointee who allowed -- strictly off the record -- that "I have an even more visceral dislike for Al Gore than I do Bill Clinton. Clinton wants to be my buddy, he'll do anything to be my friend. But Al Gore is a liberal who believes all those things." But a potentially more formidable obstacle awaiting the Republicans in the Senate, he suggested, lies in the person of Rehnquist, who would oversee a trial of Clinton by virtue of the rules laid out in the Constitution. Rehnquist, appointed to the court by President Nixon, revealed a disdain for impeachment in his little-noticed (until now) and out-of-print 1992 book, "Grand Inquests: The Historic Impeachments of Justice Samuel Chase and President Andrew Johnson." Chase was a Supreme Court judge who incurred the wrath of President Thomas Jefferson and the Federalists through some inflammatory court decisions and by openly campaigning for Jefferson's enemies in a Maryland Senate race. Rehnquist applauds the Senate's 1805 decision to acquit Chase because it helped insure the independence of the judiciary from political meddling. But the chief justice equally admires the Senate's acquittal of Johnson for not undermining the authority of future presidents. Johnson, of course, rose to the presidency upon the assassination of Abraham Lincoln in April 1865, just as the Confederacy was surrendering. He promptly set about blocking abolitionist Republicans' plans for "reconstructing" the South, however, earning their rage. When he fired a Cabinet member over the express forbiddance of Congress, the House moved to impeach him even before charges were drawn up. "Grand Inquests" makes clear that Rehnquist disapproves of such rushes to judgment, although the judge predictably couches his disapproval in judicious language. The impeachment of Johnson, especially, would have been all wrong, he signals. "To the traditional weapons of Congress in opposing presidential actions with which it disagrees -- refusing to confirm appointments, overriding vetoes, demanding information from the executive -- would have been added yet another one: the threat of impeachment," Rehnquist writes. As if to foreshadow Clinton's difficulties, Rehnquist explains that Johnson's conviction would have opened the door to frivolous impeachment attempts against subsequent presidents. "A specific violation of the law or breach of duty would ... not have to be a serious one involving moral culpability. And once such a dereliction had been found, other charges of a far more nebulous nature could be added [to an impeachment bill]." And that would chill any president's attempt at political risk taking. "Future presidents of one party facing a Congress controlled by the opposition party could well think twice about vetoing bills with which they disagreed, and about resisting the inevitable efforts by Congress to poach on the executive domain," Rehnquist observed. By acquitting Johnson and, 60 years earlier, Chase, the Senate ensured that "impeachment would not be a referendum on the public official's performance in office," Rehnquist adds approvingly. "Instead, it would be a judicial type of inquiry in which specific charges were made ... or ... were proven." And, by the way, the Republicans who acquitted Johnson made clear that it was not any "technical violation of the law that would suffice," Rehnquist writes. The House's slim Republican majority makes Clinton's impeachment this week nearly a foregone conclusion, putting the president's fate in the hands of Rehnquist and the Senate. There, the 55 Republicans and 45 Democrats will face immediate decisions on such pivotal questions as the standard of proof for conviction,
[CTRL] Iraniana: 12-16
-Caveat Lector- From SalonMagazine.CoM marriage among the Mullahs The directors of "Divorce Iranian Style" speak out about unhappy marriages, Islamic law and the rights of women. BY CYNTHIA JOYCE | The scene is a small courtroom in Tehran. The cast is a steady stream of veiled women who have come here in an attempt to change their lives. There's the 16-year-old girl who wants to leave her 38-year-old husband and go back to school; the mother of two grown children who wants to punish her husband of 30 years for beating her; the young mother who wants to leave her husband for another man but doesn't want to give up her children. Three very different circumstances, with seemingly one solution: divorce. Or maybe not. As the captivating documentary "Divorce Iranian Style" shows, Islamic law makes it almost impossible for women who want a divorce to get one without the consent of their husbands. And because men risk losing their financial security if they divorce, they often choose to stay married -- even if their wives make their lives a living hell. If, however, a woman can prove to the family courts that her husband is either impotent or insane, she stands a chance in the courts. It's this provision that makes "Divorce Iranian Style" a fascinating and often highly entertaining film, as we watch these women use a combination of histrionics and shrewd tactics to demand rights they don't have. One woman insists her husband is crazy because he won't let her use the phone, crying to the judge at one moment and cheekily grinning at the camera the next. Another whispers to the judge that her husband hasn't touched her since the wedding, and expresses her shame at having to admit this in public. There is a tragic dimension to each of their stories, though none of the women see themselves as victims. Nor do filmmakers Kim Longinotto and Ziba Mir-Hosseini see them as victims, but rather as pioneers in a legal system caught between religious tradition and modern reality. Salon recently spoke with Longinotto and Mir-Hosseini at New York's Film Forum, where "Divorce Iranian Style" made its East Coast premiere. Are most women aware, when they first marry, of their legal status and rights? Mir-Hosseini: It's really difficult to generalize. In 1979, when the revolution happened, something like 68 percent of the population lived in villages. Now somewhere around 70 percent live in the city. So Iranian society has changed a lot. But in my own marriage, my second marriage, I was 28, I had just finished my Ph.D. and I fell in love. I was very educated, and it was my choice to marry. But I wanted the right to divorce -- a woman can stipulate in the marriage contract to have the right to divorce. My husband said, "No, no, how can you think about divorce now when we are so much in love? If you want a divorce, do you think I am the kind of man to refuse you?" I trusted him. That's why I signed the marriage contract. So many women like me start their life on the assumption that there is total equality and harmony. I thought, this law will not apply to us, we have a different understanding. But when the relationship broke down, he refused to give me a divorce -- he just wanted to keep me in a state of limbo. At the time of marriage, I thought that it was based on equality. But when it came to the divorce, I realized it wasn't there. One of the most shocking moments in the film is when the judge orders a woman to win her husband back by making herself more attractive. It seems like such an absurd suggestion, and yet I'm sure her reply -- "Why should I make more compromises; I've been compromising for 30 years?" -- would resonate with plenty of Western women as well. Mir-Hosseini: It's always that way, everywhere in the world. The more women compromise, the more the other side expects. And yet women are very much valued in Iranian society. It might sound very strange and bizarre, but they are. Especially if they are professional women, they are very much treated with respect. Women are very much loved and valued as daughters -- that is where they get their strength. After my mother died, and everything collapsed, I realized that she was the one who was holding everyone together. In all the cases that we saw, the marriages broke down why? Because these men did not accept those strong women. They want to control them within the family. So these women [in the film] do not put up with that. When there is harmony and balance, I would say marriage in Iran is egalitarian in practice, though not in a legal sense. Women have different spheres of action, but they have a great deal of freedom within that. And that is where these women get their strength. There is a confidence, a soft and inner confidence, which comes from their religious belief, and from the way that the society sees them, and the way that they see their rights in Islam. N E X T_ P A G E: Why would a man want to stay in an unhappy marriage? MARRIAGE AMONG THE
[CTRL] Brits Told To Stockpile Food, US Govt Mistrusts and Hides Y2K Preparatioin
-Caveat Lector- I have been researching this issue for over a year. It is apparent that the US Govt has taken the position that The People cannot be trusted. The govt has a martial law plan in place, unfortunately the real remediation plan is F.O.F. (fix on failure), control the population through martial law, and discourage the population from planning ahead. It is the old P.A.N.G. (People Are No Good) syndrome at work. This is further proof that we are governed by Elitists, Manipulators, and Self Serving Politico - Sociopaths. flw BRITISH GOVERNMENT WARNS CITIZENS TO STOCKPILE FOOD Some Y2K leadership finally appears from a bureaucrat: Gwyneth Flower, the head of the British government's millennium bug Taskforce 2000, has now advised people to plan ahead. She's quoted in the story as saying, "We are talking about people having a judicious amount of surplus food in their kitchen cupboards." FLOWER CALLS PLANS 'SENSIBLE' "Anyone sensible would plan for this. Because we don't want to see panic buying in the weeks leading up to next Christmas, consumers should think about this in advance," Flower said. Detroit News link at: http://detnews.com/1998/technology/9812/14/12140186.htm Remember that in the United States, government officials are calling preparedness, "disruptive" and one person from the GartnerGroup calls preparations, "unnatural." There has been absolutely no government-sponsored call for the public to prepare here in the United States. And actions that are considered, "sensible" in the U.K. are considered "unnatural" in the United States. What's going on here? WE'VE ELECTED A BUNCH OF COWARDS An utter lack of leadership, that's what's going on here. Our government leaders are scared silly about acknowledging the Y2K problem is real. So instead of demonstrating real leadership, they'll wait until the problem gets *really* bad, when almost nobody has a realistic chance of actually being able to get prepared. Then they'll claim they had no way of knowing it was this bad. It's classic bureaucratic behavior: keep the information from the American people, then blame "radicals" for the panic. With the U.K. now calling on its citizens to hoard food, and with the Canadian government now pondering Martial Law (see story below), the United States government has done virtually nothing. Clinton is all but silent on the issue, and Congress is too busy Impeaching Clinton to look at Y2K. At the same time, John Koskinen, Clinton's Y2K czar, offers no reasonable preparation advice for American citizens, working instead to "alleviate fear" rather than tell people the truth about what they should be doing right now. THE GREATEST GOVERNMENTAL BLUNDER IN HISTORY Y2K is shaping up to be exactly that: the worst mistake the American government has ever made. While they squabble over impeachment and political power, the infrastructure of government threatens to collapse all around them. Only Senator Bennett has spoken loudly about what's going on here, and even he has recently tamed-down his rhetoric, likely out of concern of "scaring" people. Everybody is afraid of scaring people. But they're not afraid of leaving people in the dark. Why is that? PAPER SAYS, 'START HOARDING NOW' This Observer report says, "Britons have been warned to stock up with two weeks' emergency food rations in anticipation of millennium bug-related shortages." It goes on to mention that people should prepare for the worst-case scenario: "In an unprecedented statement indicating the level of panic in official circles, the Department of Trade and Industry-funded task force, charged with minimising potential damage caused by the bug, has said that contingency planning for a worst-case scenario should start as soon as possible." In this story, Flower is quoted as saying, "Because we don't want to see panic buying in the weeks leading up to next Christmas, consumers should think about this in advance." THIS IS PRECISELY THE POINT CLINTON DOESN'T UNDERSTAND Why can't U.S. officials get this? This quote from Flower hits the nail on the head: you have to warn people EARLY and encourage preparedness actions EARLY in order to avoid the panic. Clinton and Koskinen don't see it that way. They think that covering it up for as long as possible is the best strategy. Delay, delay, delay. They apparently hope the problem can be covered up indefinitely. WHY DID FLOWER ISSUE THE WARNING? According to the story, "...it has now emerged that large numbers of government, utilities and corporate computer systems that control every aspect of our lives will not be ready for the turn of the century." Again, that's one more Y2K fact that still is not being acknowledged here in the United States. The line from Koskinen: all government services will be just fine. There's no need to worry. Read the Observer story at: http://reports.guardian.co.uk/articles/1998/12/13/38148.html FLOWER GETS SILENCED! It seems that all government-employed Y2K-warners get
[CTRL] CIVIL RIGHTS FOR EVERY ONE
-Caveat Lector- If you have friends in the Columbus Ohio area, you might want to have them relay this letter to the concearned paties. (Copy and distribute to all Ohio news sources) (Fax to civil rights law firms in Columbus Ohio) Here in Columbus Ohio, the politicians just gave insurance benefits to homosexuals with out even a vote. (Some of the info below is crude) Public speaking is weird. Kind of like someone being able to kill cut some one's throat with out scorn, but blurting out the words describing they cut another's throat is wrong. It has become a sick society when it is wrong to describe what someone does, but there is nothing wrong in tha act they are engaged in. Take a look at some of the hot videos they buy. Homos can stick their penis up each other's rectum and then suck each other and that is a "right", but one who just describes exactly what they did is some kind of evil bigot? DOMESTIC PARTNERS Such insurance was established because men were usually the providers of the household and women stayed home with the children. While children may be an emotional asset, they are a finical burden. Even if a woman has a job, they still have to pay to keep the kids and a baby sitter. There is no way a government can track all male/female partners to know what is happening with kids. Companies began to offer these benefits because of the burden of A FAMILY KIDS ! Unlike hets, homos do not have kids, there is no reason why one of them must stay home ... HOMOS with the same jobs MAKE MORE MONEY then het couples, they do not have the same finical burdens. Insurance/benefits was not established because of any romance/love between people. If this were a fact every couple who claimed to "love" each other would be able to force employers to give them benefits. Will employers cease giving benefits to those who no longer love each or those who just got married for convenience? A domestic partner has nothing to do with love or sex. Everyone living in the same household, 2 or 10 is a domestic partner. DO HETS GET INSURANCE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THEIR SEX IN BED? Then will Columbus take away every married couple's insurance IF they are no longer having sex? Is Columbus going to give insurance to lesbians because they lick each other between the legs? Is Columbus going to give insurance to homos because they shove their penis up each other's rectum? IF the nature of sex or lack of it has nothing to do with Columbus granting insurance to homos, then what is it? DOMESTIC PARTNERS Everyone living in the same house is a domestic partner. If people are going to get insurance and benefits because they are domestic partners, then : * A daughter living with her mother * A man living with his brother * A daughter living with her sister* A couple of friends living together * Two people sharing the same home just to make ends meet? EVERY EMPLOYEE WORKING FOR COLUMBUS LIVING WITH ANYONE ELSE, MUST GET THE SAME EQUAL DOMESTIC PARTNER BENEFITS AS HOMOSEXUALS! Let's begin to put this issue in front of every lawyer in Columbus and begin class action suites to ensure that EVERY DOMESTIC PARTNER gets equal pay and equal benefits. To start this action have someone in the Columbus area put an ad in the paper for all domestic partners who want to be involved in a class action law suite to get equal benefits for their domestic partners. While you are gathering people to join the suite, begin to fax a letter similar to every civil rights law firm in Columbus... at least until you find an interested firm. After you get your body of people together, take them to ensure that they are compensated and gain the same equal benefits as homosexuals. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Brits Told To Stockpile Food, US Govt Mistrusts and Hides Y2K Preparatioin
-Caveat Lector- Gwyneth Paltrow I might have listened to. Dan -Original Message- From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 4:37 PM Subject: [CTRL] Brits Told To Stockpile Food, US Govt Mistrusts and Hides Y2K Preparatioin -Caveat Lector- I have been researching this issue for over a year. It is apparent that the US Govt has taken the position that The People cannot be trusted. The govt has a martial law plan in place, unfortunately the real remediation plan is F.O.F. (fix on failure), control the population through martial law, and discourage the population from planning ahead. It is the old P.A.N.G. (People Are No Good) syndrome at work. This is further proof that we are governed by Elitists, Manipulators, and Self Serving Politico - Sociopaths. flw BRITISH GOVERNMENT WARNS CITIZENS TO STOCKPILE FOOD Some Y2K leadership finally appears from a bureaucrat: Gwyneth Flower, the head of the British government's millennium bug Taskforce 2000, has now advised people to plan ahead. She's quoted in the story as saying, "We are talking about people having a judicious amount of surplus food in their kitchen cupboards." FLOWER CALLS PLANS 'SENSIBLE' "Anyone sensible would plan for this. Because we don't want to see panic buying in the weeks leading up to next Christmas, consumers should think about this in advance," Flower said. Detroit News link at: http://detnews.com/1998/technology/9812/14/12140186.htm Remember that in the United States, government officials are calling preparedness, "disruptive" and one person from the GartnerGroup calls preparations, "unnatural." There has been absolutely no government-sponsored call for the public to prepare here in the United States. And actions that are considered, "sensible" in the U.K. are considered "unnatural" in the United States. What's going on here? WE'VE ELECTED A BUNCH OF COWARDS An utter lack of leadership, that's what's going on here. Our government leaders are scared silly about acknowledging the Y2K problem is real. So instead of demonstrating real leadership, they'll wait until the problem gets *really* bad, when almost nobody has a realistic chance of actually being able to get prepared. Then they'll claim they had no way of knowing it was this bad. It's classic bureaucratic behavior: keep the information from the American people, then blame "radicals" for the panic. With the U.K. now calling on its citizens to hoard food, and with the Canadian government now pondering Martial Law (see story below), the United States government has done virtually nothing. Clinton is all but silent on the issue, and Congress is too busy Impeaching Clinton to look at Y2K. At the same time, John Koskinen, Clinton's Y2K czar, offers no reasonable preparation advice for American citizens, working instead to "alleviate fear" rather than tell people the truth about what they should be doing right now. THE GREATEST GOVERNMENTAL BLUNDER IN HISTORY Y2K is shaping up to be exactly that: the worst mistake the American government has ever made. While they squabble over impeachment and political power, the infrastructure of government threatens to collapse all around them. Only Senator Bennett has spoken loudly about what's going on here, and even he has recently tamed-down his rhetoric, likely out of concern of "scaring" people. Everybody is afraid of scaring people. But they're not afraid of leaving people in the dark. Why is that? PAPER SAYS, 'START HOARDING NOW' This Observer report says, "Britons have been warned to stock up with two weeks' emergency food rations in anticipation of millennium bug-related shortages." It goes on to mention that people should prepare for the worst-case scenario: "In an unprecedented statement indicating the level of panic in official circles, the Department of Trade and Industry-funded task force, charged with minimising potential damage caused by the bug, has said that contingency planning for a worst-case scenario should start as soon as possible." In this story, Flower is quoted as saying, "Because we don't want to see panic buying in the weeks leading up to next Christmas, consumers should think about this in advance." THIS IS PRECISELY THE POINT CLINTON DOESN'T UNDERSTAND Why can't U.S. officials get this? This quote from Flower hits the nail on the head: you have to warn people EARLY and encourage preparedness actions EARLY in order to avoid the panic. Clinton and Koskinen don't see it that way. They think that covering it up for as long as possible is the best strategy. Delay, delay, delay. They apparently hope the problem can be covered up indefinitely. WHY DID FLOWER ISSUE THE WARNING? According to the story, "...it has now emerged that large numbers of government, utilities and corporate computer systems that control every aspect of our lives will not be ready for the turn of the century." Again, that's one more Y2K fact that still is not being
[CTRL] Tripp Deposes
-Caveat Lector- Available at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/govdocs/19981216_govdoc_archive_g.shtml Archive of Government documents Deposition of LINDA R. TRIPP taken by Judicial Watch December 14, 1998 (it's long -- mostly because of the legalistic format) AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pres to be
-Caveat Lector- Thanks Jeff, Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas -Original Message- From: Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Pres to be -Caveat Lector- My fuzzy memory is at play again. Does anyone remember a Presidential candidate from the Natural Law Party (?) whose last name begins with an "H" and who is headquarted in a northwestern state? Pretty hazy, aye? that would be John Hagelin. http://www.natural-law.org Jeff Russo Hewlett-Packard ESSD RD (208)396-4872 "Truth is like sunlight. People used to think it was good for you." -- from "King of the Hill" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hate Speech and Canada
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 1:54:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the people that are trying to continually drag up the Holocaust in the way that they have (Harp and Duck) should have some thing done to them. Actually, i have merely responded to other's posts that insinuate that the Jews brought it all on themselves. Still, fry dr. quack quack if you must but what, choke, would you have done to us? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] MREs
-Caveat Lector- Has anyone been able to verify government stockpiling of MREs in West Virginia mountains or this just another hoax? Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Link
-Caveat Lector- Please post if you think appropriate. This is a convenient link to write to members of the Congress and Senate. http://www.in-search-of.com/frames/government/us-gov_nf.shtml Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Wag the Dog (Again)? (fwd.)
-Caveat Lector- Well, you might be right. As an example of the resources available to you, the following is provided from: http://www.cadre.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/hurley.html SADDAM HUSSEIN AND IRAQI AIR POWER: JUST HAVING AN AIR FORCE ISN'T ENOUGH 1st Lt Matthew M. Hurley, USAF BAGHDAD arose early on 17 January 1991, rudely awakened by the opening shots of an air campaign unparalleled in history for its scope, intensity, and overwhelming success. Surprisingly, despite the ferocity of Operation Desert Storm, effective Iraqi opposition never materialized. During the 43-day campaign, only 41 coalition aircraft were lost in combat, all to surface-to-air missile or antiaircraft artillery fire.1 For its part, the Iraqi air force (IQAF) offered only feeble resistance. The IQAF shot down no coalition aircraft in air-to-air combat, conducted no successful air strikes against coalition positions, and put only a handful of planes into the air at any given time. Where was the IQAF? Why didn't this air force, perhaps the largest in the region, put up a decent fight in defense of its homeland?2 The answer may be found in the policies of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. Since assuming power, Saddam--driven by a deep-rooted fear of military coups--has systematically undermined the IQAF's capability in order to maintain and maximize his personal rule; he therefore bears the responsibility for its failure. This article discusses the dangers Saddam perceived in a capable air force, his notions regarding the purpose and value of air power, and the subsequent measures he took to control the IQAF. It then shows that those policies led to the gross deficiencies in training, motivation, skill, and employment that lost the air war for Iraq. Saddam's Fear of the IQAF Saddam regards the IQAF with an extreme caution that is rooted in modern Iraqi history. Since Great Britain nominally granted Iraq its independence in 1932, no Iraqi regime has been fully secure from the threat of a military takeover, and no element of the armed forces has played as prominent a role in Iraqi politics as has the air force. During modern Iraq's first military coup in 1936, rebellious pilots established the pattern for IQAF involvement by bombing the office of the prime minister.3 Similarly, the air force inaugurated the short-lived Baathist regime of 1963 with an attack against the Defense Ministry in Baghdad.4 Key IQAF personnel or units led further attempts in 1965 and 1966, and two years later the air force backed the Baath party's second, successful bid to secure the reins of state.5 But the IQAF apparently grew dissatisfied with the government it helped to install. Following Saddam's ascension to power, coup attempts sponsored or supported by the air force continued, even at the height of the Iran-Iraq War.6 More recent attempts, including a scheme in 1988 to shoot down the presidential jetliner and a reported plot in 1989 to bomb Saddam's reviewing stand during a parade, highlight a danger that seemed unlikely to abate on its own.7 Besides corrupting the armed forces to the point that "political intrigue became more important to the officer corps than military professionalism,"8 constant military meddling in Iraqi politics has led to a fundamental characteristic of Saddam's rule. Frankly, he fears his own armed forces--especially the IQAF--and is determined to preclude their involvement in future coup attempts. This might explain why the Republican Guard and the Baath party militia, both established primarily to counterbalance the regular armed forces, are equipped with antiaircraft weapons (French Rolands and Crotales), which are generally considered superior to the Soviet-made weapons of the IQAF's Air Defense Command.9 Value of the IQAF Though troubled by the IQAF's rebellious tendencies, Saddam also recognized in air power a potentially powerful asset. Established in 1931 to subdue dissident tribesmen, the IQAF had proven useful to the British and pre-Baathist Iraqi governments in their quest to maintain central control over troublesome regions and disaffected groups.10 Despite his misgivings regarding the IQAF, Saddam relished the prospect of bombing wayward Iraqis into submission. In fact, during three major campaigns--in 1968-69, 1974-75, and 1987-88--the IQAF was employed against Iraq's independence-minded Kurdish minority, at times using chemical weapons to suppress the Kurds.11 When necessary, Saddam has also subjected other opposition groups to air attack, as demonstrated by an IQAF strike against militant Iraqi Shiites in 1987.12 As a potential asset as well as a threat, the IQAF warranted special treatment from Saddam's regime. He wanted an air force that he could employ or emasculate, as he saw fit, to preserve his rule--which meant that "most of the time it was effectively powerless."13 His efforts to that effect began even before he assumed the presidency in 1979. Control of the IQAF By 1973
Re: [CTRL] Here Comes Da Judge ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 4:10:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As if to foreshadow Clinton's difficulties, Rehnquist explains that Johnson's conviction would have opened the door to frivolous impeachment attempts against subsequent presidents. It's good to point out Rhenquist's "on the record" thinking but this is the guy who claimed a lawsuit against Clinton could proceed while Clinton was still in office because a lawsuit would not distract the President. He is also the guy who, before he was appointed to the Supreme Court used to hang out at election booth lines intimidating minority folks. Even the supposedly less rabid Republicans like Hyde take no notice of their past declarations. The Republicans smell blood and no constitutional principle is going to stop them. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- Distribute this post every place you know KILLING FISH IN THE BARREL Where are those Iraqis going to go? Are they going to move buildings? The Iraqis are like fish in the barrel, there is no where for them to go. The democrats are just going to kill a bunch of innocent people to take the heat off Clinton. They don't have to strike today, tomorrow or next month. The people have no where go . EXCEPT TO PUT UP A SMOKE SCREEN to cover up for a criminal politician, there is no reason why this must be done today, They can kill those innocent people any time they want. Abuse of power? Not only Clinton but now the whole democratic party is part of it. Murdering innocent people of another country to save their fellow crook. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Another Free Energy Cover-up: The Story of Dennis Lee
-Caveat Lector- Another Free Energy Cover-up The Story of Dennis Lee By Alison David Better World Technology P.O. Box 653 McAfee, NJ 07428, USA Published in Nexus Magazine, Australia June-July 1994 Issue Pages 46-49 and 69 In 1987 Dennis Lee discovered he could make free electricity a rather astounding discovery for the son of two migrant farm workers. The possibilities this discovery presented both elated him and frightened him. He was elated that there was a simple solution to the pollution and energy problems that were destroying the balance of nature on our planet, and shaken at the size of the discovery he had made. Free, independently produced energy meant people no longer had to be hooked up to the central power lines. It meant no more offshore drilling for oil, or oil spills that were killing the oceans. It meant no more dependence on foreign oil. It meant water could be pumped into desert lands dying of drought, and crops could be grown to eliminate famine. It meant no more electric line leakage that causes a general depletion in health as well as cancers; no more greenhouse effect, air pollution, toxic waste or water pollution. It meant the health of the planet and its people could be restored. It meant a boom for the economy and new jobs for millions of unemployed workers. Since everything runs on energy, the implications to the economies of the developing as well as industrialised nations, of clean and simple, 'no cost- to-produce' energy was overwhelming. The responsibility of such a discovery was frightening. But, what was even more frightening was the response that Dennis Lee would encounter when he attempted to bring the technology that could accomplish all this to the people. His story began in 1985 when Dennis Lee introduced his Super Heat Pump in his native state of Washington on a risk-free 'system-for-savings' program. The heat pump was so efficient it could save 70-80% of heat and hot water costs, and when his marketing program proved to be highly successful, the central utility was not pleased with the competition. They encouraged the Attorney General's Office to bring a suit against Lee's company. The baseless lawsuit was an attempt to discredit him and the technology. Subsequently, his factory was broken into virtually every night, The media splashed bad publicity across the papers regularly, his financial backers were encouraged to pull out, and the Attorney General's Office encouraged his customers to back out of the deal. Papers stolen from his factory turned up in the possession of the Deputy District Attorney. Although it was in no one's interest (except perhaps the utilities) to put his company out of business, the Attorney General's Office attempted to do just that. Dennis Lee's customers signed petitions asking the Attorney General's Office to stop 'protecting' them and dismiss the suit, or at the very least allow him to be able to perform on their contracts. Despite the ridiculous civil suit that required his company to do what it was already doing, and the overwhelming obstacles placed in his way, Lee's company overcame. When it was obvious that the company could not be destroyed using these tactics, other methods followed. A hired plant solicited enough unrest to get an involuntary bankruptcy filed, although the company was in good financial shape at the time. When Lee proved he could still turn things around, the harassers arranged a hostile takeover of the company. Lee, who once believed that fascist tactics belonged to other governments, discovered his first hard lesson in the 'just-us' system: that here in America, law enforcement agencies are often used to protect powerful money interests and not the interests of the citizens. He quietly left to pick up the pieces elsewhere. He moved to Boston to continue his efforts with a company associate. It was here, less than one year after the utilities first destroyed his efforts, that he discovered he could make 'free electricity' using the technology of the Super Heat Pump. How ironic, after they had forced him out of business, that he would discover a technology that could put them out of business. He substantiated the discovery with three scientists of tremendous experience. One was a professor at MIT, one was an ex-Department of Defense scientist and an inventor himself, and the other was an ex-Boeing plant supervisor who had been an electrical engineer for 40 years. They each independently confirmed that the concept was sound. A demonstration was put together to prove the concept worked. Dennis wrote letters to the Department of Energy and every Congressman in Washington to explain his discovery and invite them to a demonstration of 'free electricity'. He wrote a letter to President Carter, the
[CTRL] Y2K Fear May Trigger Early Panic
-Caveat Lector- Technology Headlines Monday December 14 10:18 AM ET Fear Of Year 2000 Computer Bug May Trigger Early Panic By Neil Winton, Science and Technology Correspondent LONDON (Reuters) - Even if the ``millennium bomb'' does not explode in the world's computers just over a year from now, 1999 is likely to see rising panic as people take precautions against computer failure triggered by the year 2000. Experts say the most vulnerable countries include Japan, France, Russia and Brazil and the most vulnerable sectors are utilities, especially power generation. ``Next year we will see periods of calm broken by occasional news stories predicting computer systems failures,'' said Ross Anderson of Cambridge University's Computer Security Research Center. ``My own feeling is that around August or September panic will start, with hoarding of food and bank notes. Then the whole thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.'' The time bomb has trivial origins. In the early days of computing, programs saved what was then precious space by abbreviating years to the last two digits. They knew this could cause problems at the turn of the century because computers would read ``00'' as ``1900'' rather than ``2000'' and crash or spew out flawed data. But they thought these programs would be history by then as technology raced ahead. They were wrong. Now the fear is that old data systems carrying the millennium bomb or bug could trigger disasters around the world in everything from defense, transport and telecommunications to energy and financial services. As 1999 progresses, early trigger dates are likely to provide sneak previews of the chaos that may hit as clocks strike midnight on Dec. 31. The first is Jan. 1, 1999. Programs used in some accounting systems operate a rolling year ahead as they set renewal dates for insurance premiums or bank loans and may crash when they reach out beyond Jan. 1, 2000. Margaret Joachim, Year 2000 coordinator at data processing services company Electronic Data Systems Corp. (NYSE:EDS - news), says there are other dates next year that might trigger computer failure. ``April 9, 1999, the 99th day of the year, and Sept. 9, 1999, which might be recorded as 9-9-99. This is because programmers often used nines as a cutoff for a program. A row of nines meant 'don't do this anymore,''' Joachim said. The world is in differing states of readiness. Information technology consultancy Gartner Group says the United States is best prepared, followed by Canada, Australia, South Africa, Israel and Britain. At the bottom of the list is Brazil, the world's eighth largest economy and a big producer of industrial components, commodities and grains. Brazil is unlikely to be able to confine problems within its borders, according to a recent report by Edward Yardeni, chief economist for Deutsche Morgan Grenfell in New York. Japan's lack of action is also causing concern. The Japanese government said last month that important industries like finance, transport, energy, telecommunications and medicine were lagging in year 2000 preparation. Hong Kong's government has said 80 percent of its critical computer systems were ready for 2000 as of Sept. 30, 1998, but it is worried about small and medium-sized businesses. India does not expect much damage because of its small number of computers -- only around 2.3 million in a nation of about 950 million. But India's ``brain trust'' of software makers have bagged orders worth $1.5 billion to fix year 2000 problems around the world, said Dewang Mehta, executive director of the National Association of Software and Service Companies. In China, authorities have decreed that all government computer systems must be fixed by March and tests completed by September 1999. Cambridge University's Anderson said France was most at risk in Western Europe, with computer failures most likely in the public sector and especially public utilities. Any problems could quickly become a problem for neighbors such as Britain, which receives electric power from France. ``There is still quite a question mark over whether France sees the scale of the problem,'' said Chris Webster, head of year 2000 services at Cap Gemini. ``There's a real chance that there may be some loss of service from utilities. Who, when, where or why? Impossible to say. Will it be a complete loss of power, voltage fluctuations? And there is a remarkable lack of information from utilities as to what they are expecting to happen.'' JP Morgan's Year 2000 expert Patrick Ward says Eastern Europe's and Russia's utilities are a big concern, not least because Russia provides 40 percent of Germany's power. If some systems crashes are triggered early by the arrival of Jan. 1, 1999, it might be a blessing in disguise. ``This will involve accounting, planning and budgeting systems rather than operational executing systems, which carry out day-to-day business. It will give you some experience in spotting the
[CTRL] God's Banker Exhumed
-Caveat Lector- AP Headlines Wednesday December 16 12:09 PM ET Italians Exhume Banker's Body COMO, Italy (AP) - While his son and a judge looked on, the body of a Vatican-connected financier was exhumed today to determine whether his 1982 death was murder or suicide. Prosecutors hope a new examination of the body will shed light on the death of Roberto Calvi, whose corpse was found hanging from Blackfriars Bridge in London following Italy's biggest postwar banking scandal. Calvi was known as ``God's banker'' for his close ties to the Vatican. Calvi's wooden coffin was taken from the family tomb in Drezzo, a town on the shores of Lake Como, sealed with lead and loaded onto a hearse for the trip to the morgue in nearby Milan. Despite the years since Calvi's death, Italian Judge Otello Lupacchini said he was certain that forensic science could determine the cause of death. Banco Ambrosiano, in which the Vatican bank held a significant stake, collapsed in 1982 when it could not collect $1.4 billion in loans to shell companies in Latin America. Calvi, the bank's chairman, was found dead days later. Roman businessman Flavio Carboni has been charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Prosecutors asked for the exhumation after Carboni's lawyers presented a report based on a preliminary examination of the body that indicated Calvi had hanged himself. ``What do I think of the exhumation? It was Carboni's right to seek it in his defense. For us, it's traumatic,'' said Carlo Calvi, who flew in from his home in Montreal. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Let's bomb Iraq to save Bubba and the dollar
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday December 16, 4:44 pm Eastern Time (Note: this article is ``in progress''; there will likely be an update soon.) Dollar ends U.S. firmer as Iraq crisis looms NEW YORK, Dec 16 (Reuters) - The dollar ended higher against major currencies Wednesday as the United States moved closer to military strikes against Iraq, which could delay impeachment proceedings against U.S. President Clinton. But the dollar's gains were less pronounced versus the Japanese yen, which rallied in overnight trading after Japan reported its trade surplus continued to swell in October. The threat of renewed military conflict in the Middle East triggered some dollar buying in a knee-jerk flight to safety. The greenback is traditionally viewed as a secure place to park investment capital in times of global crisis. ``People mostly think you buy dollars on the back of this. It's silly, but people still do it,'' said one currency dealer at a major U.S. investment bank. The dollar ended higher at 116.90/00 yen from 116.03/13 at the open and 116.50/60 at Tuesday's close. Dollar/mark rose to 1.6760/70 from 1.6630/40 at the open and 1.6600/10 on Tuesday. United Nations arms inspectors quickly exited Iraq as Clinton huddled with top foreign policy and defense advisers. Anonymous defense officials said they were ready to strike Iraq without warning. The commotion fueled speculation that the House of Representatives might delay debate on impeaching Clinton, the threat of which had caused dollar sales recently. ``The dollar had been down with the impeachment story. But with any delay, that could be bullish for the dollar,'' said one currency dealer at a U.S. bank. The dollar had fallen overnight against the yen after Japan reported the surplus in its current account--the widest measure of trade in goods and services--grew 21.5 percent to $11.6 billion in October from a year earlier. As Japan exports far more than it imports, currency markets experience a relative shortage of yen, boosting its value. Japan also announced a $5.15 billion three-year loan program to boost sagging Asian economies, which was seen helping Japan along with the rest of the region. Dealers said the dollar would continue to trade in narrow but volatile ranges in coming sessions as many market players had already ended trading activities for the year. ``The market was short dollars on impeachment. Once the market gets long again, it will go back down,'' said one dealer at a Japanese bank. Late in New York trade the dollar briefly pushed above 117 yen when air raid sirens were heard in Baghdad, though witnesses reported no unusual activity. The dollar rose to 1.3525/35 Swiss francs from 1.3438/48 at the open. The British pound fell to $1.6677/87 from $1.6780/90 at the open and $1.6838/48 at Tuesday's close. The dollar rose to Canadian $1.5392/02 from C$1.5378/88. The Australian dollar rose to $0.6230/35 from $0.6210/20 at the open. (Note: this article is ``in progress''; there will likely be an update soon.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Just curious
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- What with all the enthusiasm on this list for impeaching Clinton, I'm curious who you would prefer to see occupying the presidential office: Gore? Livingston? George Bush, Jr.? Trent Lott? Pataki? DeLay? Other? And why do you think your choice would be an improvement? sno0wl It's hardly important who replaces him. What is important is that the occupant of the White House know that he can be yanked. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Just curious
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:06:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- What with all the enthusiasm on this list for impeaching Clinton, I'm curious who you would prefer to see occupying the presidential office: Gore? Livingston? George Bush, Jr.? Trent Lott? Pataki? DeLay? Other? And why do you think your choice would be an improvement? sno0wl Is it too late to get Perot in there? That crazy sonofabitch would give everybody something to talk about, eh? Reverend S. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: DNA Sample with Every Arrest
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW YORK (AP) -- Angering civil libertarians who fear ``1984''-style tactics, Police Commissioner Howard Safir is suggesting that police take a DNA sample along with the fingerprints of everyone arrested. ``The innocent have nothing to fear,'' Safir said Monday. ``Only if you are guilty should you worry about DNA testing.'' Innocence, of course, being in the eye of the oppressor. Those who commit what have become known as "Consensual Crimes" (drug use, prostitution, gambling, ets...) are not guilty of harming others, or using others, or victimizing others in any way. They are quilty only of not conforming to the laws of the land, regardless of how unjust or unrealistic they are. Yes, the innocent have nothing to fear. But no one is truly innocent, and as is becoming increasingly apparent, no one is truly free. Reverend S. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 11:51:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is truly a pity that the American system is missing its most crucial link; an educated electorate. The electorate IS being educated at this time. Sex education comes first, and Ken Starr is providing that. The rest of the education comes later. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] We are at war
-Caveat Lector- For those of you who aren't listening to the news, we are at war again. Bombing of Iraq began about 2 hours ago. I've been watching for the past 2 hours. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Abuse of power? Not only Clinton but now the whole democratic party is part of it. Murdering innocent people of another country to save their fellow crook. musta got the idea from the murdering republicrats. is there a difference? just more shit to sell that no wants to buy. take it elsewhere. whatta scmuuck. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] We are at war
-Caveat Lector- Yep, just in time to delay the vote on impeachment. But of course they say that was not intended for that purpose, but look at all the other so called stories they have come up with...he'll try to stay in office at all costs no matter what has to be done...Rock Hilary Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- For those of you who aren't listening to the news, we are at war again. Bombing of Iraq began about 2 hours ago. I've been watching for the past 2 hours. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-16 18:42:10 EST, you write: The electorate IS being educated at this time. Sex education comes first, and Ken Starr is providing that. The rest of the education comes later. Prudy Yes, we see now that there is no difference between d's and r's. Bush had a War for his interests in oil, and Clinton is having a War to draw attention away from the impeachment. Seems the bombing of Sudan didn't do it, so he has resorted to bigger targets. Why not North Korea... they did fire a missle across Japan, aren't they more of a threat than Iraq which hasn't recovered from the Gulf War? So now, Clintonites does this make him eligible for impeachment? The timing of the "Kinder, Gentler" article could not have been better, or worse for the Clintonites. Not only that, but did you notice it was only anti- Republican propaganda, not a word about the "good work" of Clinton. Just what has Clinton done to deserve such an ardent following? Can anyone post ten "good" things Clinton has done since he has been in office? Regards, Bob Stokes P.S. ~ I see his program worked, they have put off the vote on impeachment till Monday. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: from website (ciajfk.com)
- SNETNEWS Mailing List from website (ciajfk.com) To Frank J. Klein, Esq. : While the U.S. media is focusing on President Clinton's impeachment a "U.S. espionage sweeps Europe." The CIA was also interested in Princess Diana's sexual habits and kept a 1100 page Dosier on her. They don't want anyone to see it according to the San Jose Mercury, Dec. 12, 1998 and the Star Dec. 22, 1998. Bill Clinton's sexual trap was not the only case the CIA/Pentagon was interested in. It is possible that the CIA was more interested in Princess Diana's stance for the Red Cross against the land mines. How much do you want to bet? About two years ago one may want to note: That Bill Clinton's Ambassador, Pamela Harriman (once married to Winston Churchill's son) died at Mohamed Al Fayed's Ritz Hotel swimming pool. Pamela's family says she was in great health. Sincerely, Bruce Campbell Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Low on funds get volumes for free? By visiting your local library and place a request for the entire set of The de Mohrenschildt Story and refer them to the Books in Print. "Everything that we are today exists today because of the past. If historians don't get the story right, then our lives today are based upon lies." Bruce Campbell Adamson Nov. 1997. Visit my web site (http://www.ciajfk.com). - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce C. Adamson)
Re: [CTRL] Hate Speech and Canada
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 10:54:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Clinton's grades were so good - why did he have to flee the Draft to Canada? Simple answer . . . he didn't. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Sacred Landscape Geometry of Rennes-le-Chteau
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.consciousevolution.com/ A HREF="http://www.consciousevolution.com/"Conscious Evolution Home Page /A - Ya got rumours of gold treasure, the 'holy grail', the visigoths, secret societies, templars, cathars and more. Now add a little geomacy. Hmm . . . somethin' 'bout the south of France. Well, here tis a whole book online. I haven't read it yet but shall try. Here tis a taste. Nice graphics at site. Om K - "Homo sapiens, the first truly free species, is about to decommission natural selection, the force that made us Soon we must look deep within ourselves and decide what we wish to become." -- Edward O. Wilson Consilience, The Unity of Knowledge Pythagoras' Fun House The newest addition to the Conscious Evolution family, Pythagoras' Fun House focuses on numerical and geometric insights into ancient and modern wisdom.Click here now! The Sacred Landscape Geometry of Rennes-le-Chateau. Simon Miles' original research into the origins of Sacred Geometry in the ancient grid-map of To-Mera, and its relationship to stellar formations and etheric formative forces. The Fleming-Roche Tarot Now complete! Click the image of the Tarot Fool to see a one-of-a-kind tarot deck created by your webmaster and a close friend, back in the dark ages. The CONSCIOUS EVOLUTION site is currently under construction. Please bear with us while we plan and grow. In the meantime. please stop by our discussion forum now! Thanks, and welcome. = from: http://www.consciousevolution.com/Rennes/Default.htm A HREF="http://www.consciousevolution.com/Rennes/Default.htm"Conscious Evolution Home Page /A - The Sacred Landscape Geometry of Rennes-le-Château by Simon M. Miles "In the manuscript, of course, there was also the map, or, rather, a precise description of the map, of the original. It's surprising; you can't imagine how simple the solution is. The map was within everyone's grasp, in full view; why thousands of people have passed it every day for centuries. And the method of orientation is so elementary that you just have to memorise the pattern and the map can be reproduced on the spot, anywhere. "So simple and so unexpectedImagine - this is just to give you an idea - it's as if the map were inscribed in the Pyramid of Cheops, its elements displayed for everyone to see, and for centuries people have read and reread and deciphered the pyramid, seeking other allusions, other calculations, completely overlooking its incredible splendid simplicity. A masterpiece of innocence. And fiendish cunning. The Templars of Provins were wizards." Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum Introduction Part One: The Zodiac Grid Map of Europe Recovering the Map of Mt Meru The Hieroglyph mer The Dimensions of To-Mera The Grid Map of Europe The Square Form of the Zodiac The Square Zodiac on the Grid Map of Europe Part Two: The Constellation of Crux and Its Use as a Meridian Calibrator The Meridian in the Mountains at Rennes-le-Chateau The Constellation of Crux as Calibration Standard The Square of Pegasus Crux at the Temple of Hathor at Denderah Crux as Metaphor for the Place of Testing Part Three: The Solution to the Geometry of Rennes-le-Chateau Part Four: The Earth Grid and the Etheric Formative Forces Appendices Links Selected Bibiography © 1997 by Simon M. Miles, all rights reserved Your comments are welcome: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Navigating footnotes: For your convenience, the footnotes in each section are hyperlinked. To read a footnote, just click on the footnote number in the text. To return to the place where the footnote appeared, click on the footnote number at the beginning of the note. ©Ignotum 1998 = from: http://www.consciousevolution.com/Rennes/Fwrd.htm A HREF="http://www.consciousevolution.com/Rennes/Fwrd.htm"Conscious Evolution Home Page /A - The Compass of the Wise Hand-coloured by Adam McLean The Alchemy Website Introduction: A century has passed since a poor and penitent parish priest in an obscure village in the south of France made the discovery which would bring him wealth and riches beyond imagining. What began as a minor local mystery has become over the years an enigma which has spawned a host of books. By this late date, the curious story of Rennes-le-Château and the plutonic priest, Berenger Sauniere, threatens to become a cliche. It would seem that little more could possibly remain to be said to throw light upon this dark and tangled web of tales. For those who have followed the mystery, it would perhaps appear that the trail has gone cold; that every avenue of Templars and treasures, bloodlines and blackmail, Poussin and the Priory of sion has been thoroughly exhausted, and all that remains is to go over the evidence ad nauseum, or move on to other topics of
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] M.Dagobert continued talk.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication has begun, slowly. Seems as Plantard discovered the archives of General Dagobert (1736-1794) and of the Masonic Lodge of Philadelphes of Narbonne. He elaborated a fake genealogy starting with St. Dagobert II. The gold and iron mines I spoke of, were reopened by a man named Dubosq, native of Normandy and mandated by the Royal Council of the Roussillon and by the Commissary of Mines and Forges of King Louis XVI, Jean Pierre Francois Duhamel, cousin of the General Dagobert. The gold involving the SS, seems to involve the area Oradour-sur-Glane. If there are any misspelled words, forgive the translation. More to follow. Peace..Dog To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 5:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KILLING FISH IN THE BARREL Where are those Iraqis going to go? Are they going to move buildings? The Iraqis are like fish in the barrel, there is no where for them to go. The democrats are just going to kill a bunch of innocent people to take the heat off Clinton. They don't have to strike today, tomorrow or next month. The people have no where go . EXCEPT TO PUT UP A SMOKE SCREEN to cover up for a criminal politician, there is no reason why this must be done today, They can kill those innocent people any time they want. Abuse of power? Not only Clinton but now the whole democratic party is part of it. Murdering innocent people of another country to save their fellow crook. Nobody has called to ask me, but I've got a suggestion. Reconvene the judiciary committee at first light tomorrow, draft the obvious 5th article of impeachment and hand it to the full house by, say, 10:00AM. The impeachment vote could be accomplished by noon and the Senate would have the rest of the afternoon to do what needs to be done. Enraged, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Council on Foreign Relations Special Group Declares War!
Council on Foreign Relations Special Group Declares War! Reuter's reported that early today Council on Foreign Relations Special Group members President William Jefferson Clinton, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, and Secretary of Defense William Cohen met to discuss attacking Iraq. The article quotes Ken Bacon, a Pentagon spokesman, as saying Clinton had full moral responsibility and authority to make any decision on Iraq policy, despite impeachment proceedings. "The president is the commander-in-chief (of the armed forces)," Bacon said. "I think that he has the full authority given under the Constitution to take any action he needs to take in protection of our national interest, whatever he decides that is." Someone should tell Pentagon Spokesman Bacon that Congress, not President Clinton is responsible for declaring war. The Constitution of the United States Article 1, Section 8, states, "the Congress shall have Power to declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water." If President Clinton thinks our national interests are in need of protection, shouldn't he put the matter before Congress? The Council on Foreign Relations has only 3000 members yet they control over three-quarters of the nations wealth. The Council on Foreign Relations runs the State Department and the CIA. The Council on Foreign Relations has placed 100 Council on Foreign Relations members in every Presidential Administration since Woodrow Wilson. They work together to misinform and disinform the President to act in the best interest of the Council on Foreign Relations not the best interest of the American People. At least five Presidents (Eisenhower, Ford, Bush and Clinton) have been members of the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations has packed every Supreme court with Council on Foreign Relations insiders. Two Council on Foreign Relations members (Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Sandra Day O'Connor) sit on the supreme court. The Council on Foreign Relations's British Counterpart is the Royal Institute of International Affairs. The members of these groups profit by creating tension and hate. Their targets include British and American citizens. The 100 Council on Foreign Relations members that surround the president are "the Secret Team." The "Secret Team" help carry out psycho-political operations scripted by Council on Foreign Relations members in the state department and the Intelligence Organizations. The psycho-political operations are coordinated by a group of Council on Foreign Relations members called the Special Group. The Special Group evolved from the Psychological Strategy Board. President Truman issued an executive order establishing the Psychological Strategy Board. The Board was run by Council on Foreign Relations members Gordon Gray and Henry Kissinger. The PSB has close ties to the State Department and Intelligence Organizations. The purpose of the PSB was to co-ordinate psycho-political operations. Many of those operations were focused at Americans. The people became wary of the Psychological Strategy Board. Eisenhower issued an executive order changing its name to the Operations Coordination Board. The OCB was a bigger more powerful PSB. Gray and Kissinger ran the OCB too. President Kennedy abolished the OCB. It became an ad hoc committee called the "Special Group," which exists today. The PSB/OCB/Special Group always has Council on Foreign Relations members running and sitting on it. Since the Special Group was not formed by Executive Order it cannot be abolished. A list of Council on Foreign Relations members in the Clinton administrations special group and secret team is posted on the RoundTable website at [http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/CFRClinton.html ]. The INQUIRY was America's first Central Intelligence Agency. Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, and Woodrow Wilson's close political advisor and friend, Edward Mandel House, suggested the idea to Wilson. House became the INQUIRY's first director, Lippmann was House's first recruit. The existence of the INQUIRY such a well kept secret, that to this day hardly any Americans have heard of the INQUIRY or are aware that it ever existed. Wilson paid for the INQUIRY from the President's Fund for National Safety and Defense. He directed that it not be housed in Washington. A remote room in the New York Public Library was its first office. Later it moved to offices in the American Geographical Society at West 155th Street and Broadway. James T. Shotwell, a Columbia University historian and an early recruit came up with the agency name the INQUIRY, which, he said, would be a "blind to the general public, but would serve to identify it among the initiated." 5 Shotwell probably chose the name because the word History is derived from the a Greek word meaning "a learning by inquiry." Ironically the INQUIRY would use psychological warfare techniques to warp
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Some very interesting answers from M.Dagobert.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will share all letters from M.Dagobert I recieve with this list. Here are some answers to a letter I sent: 1) Saunière has never been wealthy, he was manipulated by his brother, preceptor in the Chefdebien family and in relationship with the Habsbourg family. Those are the ones who sponsored Sauniere's works in the hope of recovering the treasure of the Jews and to rebuild the German Holy Empire with the Catholic Church of Rome. 2) Boudet was an original who made an imaginary work that the Scientific Society of the Aude, France, never took seriously. This is Plantard with the help of Philippe de Cerisey, bad comedian, friend of Pierre Dac (famous french comedian) who built all that story of rebus to justify the Priory of Sion. I will talked to you another time about Poussin who was native of Normandy, near Gisors and its famous castle (related to Plantard). 3) It is almost sure that the Priory of Sion really existed and that it has been founded by the first patriarch of Jerusalem, legate of the pope Urbain ll : Dagobert, arbishop of Pise, the 27th of December 1099, almost 8 centuries ago. 4) The Priory of Sion of Mr Plantard was founded in Annemasse in June 1956, a few weeks after the death of my father in, the 23rd of May 1956. My father was born in Nantes, the 27th of December 1899. 5) Dagobert ll was the little son of king Dagobert 1st. He had no successor. His brother Clovis ll ruled alone over the full kindom of the Francs. He had successors until Childéric lll who was discarded by Pépin le Bref in 751 and sent to the abbey of Sithiu. His son, Thierry about 18 years old was sent to the abbey of St Wandrille and the monks sent him later in a sister abbey in the Cotentin, in the area of St Lô (probably in Périers). This is where he married a wiking and founded a family to which he gave the name of Dagobert in memory of the most prestigious kings of the Francs, after Clovis. 6) A lot of french authors and journalists took very seriously my book about the story of the Dagobert family and I even received the second price of history from the jury of the Academical Society of Nantes and Loire- Atlantique. That price was given to me by M. de Cossé Brissac himself, president of the conseil général (department council) and senator of Loire- Atlantique. The reporter of the jury was an old general-magistrate who took care of the lawsuit of the criminals of Oradour in Bordeaux in 1953. Because of that fact, he was perfectly aware of the story of the gold of the SS in between the spanish boundary and the swiss boundary in 1943 and 1944 whose the heart was in the city of Limoges, where lived, with the Dumas family (Roland Dumas is a minister in the actual french government), an austrian jew named Felberbaum. 7) Mr Pierre Plantard whose family is from Britany in France knew very well the Dagobert family and its story. But, mythomaniac and ambitious, he joined the colaboration with some "cagoulards" among whom was Mr Francois Mitterrand (previous president of France during 14 years). This is because of these people that after the war the so-called austrian jew, in fact the son of a noble banker from Vienna followed the cause of the Habsbourg family, and became the financial sponsor of Mitterrand for his electoral campaign of 1974, 1981 and 1988. I think I said enough for tonight because it is late. Truly yours, Roger-René Dagobert To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob - Part II
-Caveat Lector- On 16 Dec 98 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to a long-time Republican friend, the Republicans are risking nothing. According to him, the American public are so stupid and have such short memories that by the time the next election comes around, they will have forgotten all about this matter. Makes you wonder. Prudy Actually, this has been the strategy with every cover-up, including the JFK assassination and Iran-Contra--this belief that the public is stupid and forgetful and in a few years, no one will care or remember. I also wonder about June, who thinks we'll be allowed a Ken Starr clone to go after each and every corrupt politico who comes after Clinton. Ho Ho Ho!!! What a laugh that is. You won't catch one of the Bush kids in a trap like that. When it comes to obstruction, they really know how to handle justice. Perhaps you have already forgotten Iran-Contra, Silverado, the SL debacle--now there were crimes. Real crimes. And the criminals laughed all the way to the bank. They're not only laughing. They're all running for national office. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- On 16 Dec 98 , M. wrote: MJ: Reading through this tripe, the consideration of a 'mirror' view regarding the Democratic desire to SAVE an accused perjurer who has abused his power and his office 'turned' on every word. This "accused perjurer" was accused of saying that he was never alone with a woman when, in fact, he was alone with her. Being alone with the woman was not, in itself, a crime. This "accused perjurer" is accused of saying that he never had "sexual relations" with a certain woman, when in fact he did have sexual relations of a sort. Having sexual relations with the woman was not a crime. He is accused of perjury in relation to matters which do not, in any way, relate to criminal acts. Many of the most educated people in our nation, including distinguished legal scholars and prosecutors who participated in the Iran-Contra hearings, cannot believe that Clinton is being impeached over these issues. Ken Starr's own ethical advisor has quit over these issues. However, all we hear on the news is what the ruthless, relentless, vengeful Republican members of the Judiciary Committee think, do, and say. It is this sort of thing that would make this impeachment laughable, if it were not a tragically unfortunate--not for Clinton, but for the nation. This is the kind of issue that combined with Y2k problems, could eventually split the nation, lead to civil war, and, finally, to martial law. Which is exactly where these radical Republicans may be leading us. Once you're under martial law, you'll be moral and read your Bible, all right!!! You won't have a choice. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Madeleine Brown interview
from: alt.conspiracy.jfk " FM - You told me you saw Lyndon on November 21, 1963. Is that right? MB - Perfectly. It was a surprise. I was invited to a party at Murchisons Dallas residence. The party was given in honor of Edgar Hoover, the FBIs chief. Richard Nixon was there. John McCloy, a future member of the Warren Commission was there also. Lyndon arrived late. I didnt even know he was there. He, Hunt and others immediately locked themselves in a room for a ten minute conference. When Lyndon came out he spotted me. He seemed so angry and had a dreadful look on his face. He came up to me and whispered: "After tomorrow, those damn Kennedys will never stand in my way again. Thats not a threat, its a promise". Ive never forgotten that. FM - What was your reaction? MB - I didnt really react. I couldnt imagine that his words would ever ring true. Lyndon was extremely angry with JFK. It was just one more time. The next morning, four hours before the assassination, I spoke to Lyndon on the phone at the hotel where he stayed with Kennedy. He told me the same thing again and I told him wed see each other again and I would make him forget whatever plagued him. FM - I hope you realize the impact of what you are implying. Youre implicating the vice-president in the crime of the century. MB - I dont know if Lyndon was the instigator of this crime. It could be. All I know is what he told me on the 21st and repeated on the 22nd. About a month after, I had wanted to know for sure so I asked him if he was involved in the Kennedy murder. He got so angry that I regretted ever bringing it up. Then he told me (You know my friends - they killed him.) He was talking of those millionaires. FM - He didnt say anything else? MB - No and I never brought it up again. But I would like to tell you this about Hunt. A few minutes after the assassination, he went to Washington to give Lyndon a hand. When he came back a little before Christmas, he was a totally different man. Like an incredible weight was lifted off his shoulders. One day, he told me, smiling, (Weve won the war) Im sure he was referring to Kennedy." JFK: Truth of a conspiracy Madeleine Brown is barely 23 when she falls for Lyndon Johnsons charm. This Texan romance, filled with improvised meetings, unkept promises and quick but intense embrace, spanned more than two decades. But Madeleine was more than just one of the 36th presidents many conquests. In fact, on December 27, 1950, she gives birth to Steven: one more career secret for this ambitious politician. Johnsons son died in 1990. Since, Madeleine Brown, liberated from her imposed discretion, decided to share her memories of her time spent with the president. Without anger or need for revenge, still deeply in love with her Lyndon but very aware of historical accuracy, she proves her relationship by presenting passionate love notes written by Johnson as well as the letter from a Texas lawyer confirming the continuing financial support for Stevens education after Lyndons death. But a powerful mans intimate portrait becomes a loaded testimonial when she refers to the relationship between LBJ and JFK and describes Johnsons role in the November 1963 Kennedy Assassination. Madeleine Brown - Its very moving for me to meet you here at the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas. Its here that, about 50 years ago, I met Lyndon for the first time. Figaro Magazine - I imagine that this evening is forever engraved in you. MB - Oh yes I was 23 and still had my baby face. At the time I was working for the Glenn advertising agency a few steps away from the Adolphus. At the end of September 1948, Jesse Kallen, director of KTNC Radio in Austin, a close friend of Lyndon Johnson, invited me to a party given in honor of all those who had contributed to his electoral campaign. He was running for senator against Coke Stevenson. FM - Its the ballot 13 election, right? The one that was rigged? MB - Yes that was the one. Ballot 13 gave Lyndon victory. It was rapidly noticed that even the dead had voted, but it was to late. Lyndon was already in Washington. Its funny that Johnson made it to Washington thanks to election fraud. FM - So you met Lyndon that night for the first time? MB - Yes. When LBJ walked in the room it was so intense. He was so charismatic. The whole room gravitated towards him. I noticed him right away and I was seduced. He was a typical Texan-both feet on the ground, smiling, warm and terribly sexy. Jesse introduced us and I danced with Lyndon. It was so overwhelming to be in his arms. There was so much in the way we looked at each other. He invited me to another party at the Driskill Hotel in Austin. FM - Do you remember the date? MB - Of course. It was October 29, 1948. After two dances, he asked me to go up and wait for him in his suite. He met up with me an hour later and its that night that I became his
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- MJ: Reading through this tripe, the consideration of a 'mirror' view regarding the Democratic desire to SAVE an accused perjurer who has abused his power and his office 'turned' on every word. Sno0wl wrote: This "accused perjurer" was accused of saying that he was never alone with a woman when, in fact, he was alone with her. Being alone with the woman was not, in itself, a crime. MJ: Correct, but LYING about this under oath in an effort to thwart culpability in a civil suit most certainly is ... as well as being in conflict with a President's oath of office. Sno0wl wrote: This "accused perjurer" is accused of saying that he never had "sexual relations" with a certain woman, when in fact he did have sexual relations of a sort. Having sexual relations with the woman was not a crime. MJ: Did you investigate the many laws regarding sodomy within the nation's capitol? LYING about this under oath in an effort to thwart culpability in a civil suit most certainly is ... as well as being in conflict with a President's oath of office. Sno0wl wrote: He is accused of perjury in relation to matters which do not, in any way, relate to criminal acts. MJ: The perjury itself is a criminal act. No mention of the abuses of office and power utilized to the goal of thwarting culpability in that civil manner? Afterall, Mr. Nixon was pursued for 'covering up' a crime he did not commit as compared to Clinton's desire to do the same for his OWN crimes. Sno0wl wrote: Many of the most educated people in our nation, including distinguished legal scholars and prosecutors who participated in the Iran-Contra hearings, cannot believe that Clinton is being impeached over these issues. Ken Starr's own ethical advisor has quit over these issues. However, all we hear on the news is what the ruthless, relentless, vengeful Republican members of the Judiciary Committee think, do, and say. MJ: Certainly one is learned enough to 'wade' through the BS and locate primary sourcing ... establishing an opinion for ones self of the FACTS. Hamilton, Federalist Number 65: A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt. I simply point to our current efforts in Iraq ... the questioning of Mr. Clinton's motives in itself demonstrates the 'violation of some public trust.' The same accusations occurred when Mr. Clinton destroyed a pharmaceutical plant in August. Regard$, --MJ Men in public trust will much oftener act in such a manner as to render them unworthy of being any longer trusted, than in such a manner as to make them obnoxious [subject] to legal punishment. -- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No 70 It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true. -- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hate Speech and Canada
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 10:54:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Clinton's grades were so good - why did he have to flee the Draft to Canada? Simple answer . . . he didn't. Om K this was a major issue during the time that he was campaigning for president the first time - how has it been forgotten now? Laura -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: In the Beginning was the Word -- TAXES
Were Egyptians the First Writers? CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Clay tablets uncovered in southern Egypt from the tomb of a king named Scorpion may represent the earliest known writing by humankind, an archaeologist said Tuesday. If confirmed, the discovery would rank among the greatest ever in the search for the origins of the written word. But the subject they mostly deal with may be of no surprise at all. It's taxes. Gunter Dreyer, head of the German Archaeological Institute, said the tablets record linen and oil deliveries made about 5,300 years ago as tithe to King Scorpion I. He said the tablets have been carbon-dated with certainty to between 3300 B.C. and 3200 B.C. The discovery throws open for debate a widely held belief among historians that the first people to write were the Sumerians of the Mesopotamian civilization sometime before 3000 B.C. The exact date of Sumerian writing remains in doubt. The Egyptian writings -- in the form of line drawings of animals, plants and mountains -- are the first evidence that hieroglyphics used by later-day Pharaonic dynasties did not ``rise as Phoenix from the ashes'' but developed gradually, Dreyer said. ``Linguists now have a larger history (of writing) to regard,'' he said. One American archaeologist called the tablets an ``exciting'' find. ``This would be one of the greatest discoveries in the history of writing and ancient Egyptian culture,'' Kent Weeks, professor of Egyptology at the American University in Cairo, told The Associated Press. But John Baines, a professor of Egyptology at Oxford University, was more cautious. ``Undoubtedly, (Dreyer's) findings are very important, but I have an open mind on this and would like to see'' more evidence on the comparative ages of the Egyptian and Mesopotamian samples, Baines said in a telephone interview. At this point, ``I would say it is likely that writing was invented in both places,'' he said. The bulk of Dreyer's discovery was from Scorpion's tomb in a cemetery in the Suhag province, 300 miles south of Cairo. Like many kings in pre-Pharaonic times, Scorpion took the name of an animal. Records have been found of chieftains named Mouse, Falcon, Double Falcon and Elephant before the first Pharaonic dynasty began in 2920 B.C. The Great Pyramid was not built until nearly 400 years later. Since 1985, Dreyer and his team have unearthed about 300 pieces of written material on clay tablets barely bigger than postage stamps and clay jars and vases with ink impressions. Dreyer said the writings were not a creative outpouring, but the result economic necessity: When chieftains expanded their areas of control they needed to keep a record of taxes, which were paid in commodities. Two-thirds of the tablets have been deciphered as accounts of linen and oil delivered to King Scorpion in taxes, short notes, numbers, lists of kings' names and names of institutions. Although the records are made up of symbols, they are considered true writing because each symbol stands for a consonant and makes up syllables. For example, the city named Ba-set was written by putting together a throne, known as Ba, and a stork, set. Similarly, Ju Gereh -- Mountain of Darkness, a reference to its location in the west where the sun set -- was designated with those symbols. Fish, the word for delivery, appears on many tablets against the names of settlements. Apart from the academic question of who came first, Dreyer said, the writings prove that the early Egyptian society was far more developed than previously thought. ``In principle, they were able to express themselves clearly,'' he said.
Re: [CTRL] JFK's last day
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 8:33:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, Steamshovel has JFK's last speech transcribed at: http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/jfktfx.htm Howdy, thanks for putting up with us 'rowdies'. I have always enjoyed your magazine and books. Do you know of a source for a transcript of a complete speech that JFK gave at Columbia in '63? There is a blip often quoted and I haven't come across the whole speech. Thanks. Om k DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're all against me
-Caveat Lector- I forgot how to withdraw my subscription. Please remind me. thank you DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ship] Re: Theseus.
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, M. A. Johnson wrote: From: "M. A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dick: Hmm. Our list/group is called the Ship of Theseus named in part for an old problem in philosophy. Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: Cool! My longest book is "Chronicle of the World". It says on page 107 "Theseus hailed as father of democracy". Democracy = DIRECT democracy. Comprende, Johnson? MJ: Yes, rule by the majority -- rule by a mob. Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: I will lead with the REALITY that BC is now a direct electronic democracy. And a question...what does that mean? MJ: Tyranny. Are you saying the Citizens of B.C. are tyrants, Johnson? Scum that you are, I'd like to see you look your neighbour right in the eye and call him or her a TYRANT on voting day...and just when I was thinking there was some virtue in you FWP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BGH News
-Caveat Lector- Grass roots efforts are slowly paying off! Now - to the news The FDA and Monsanto is under fire again!! Forwarded: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/wnt_bgh_981215.html http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/SecondOpinion/secondopinion_11.html What they do not say is that the USA is the only country in the world that uses BGH, veterinarians in other countries refuse to give it to the animals. Another thing that they didn't hit on in this article is that Monsanto also makes Aspartame - which will make you hyperactive, and has caused everything from facial breakouts, to death, and birth deformities. -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] Re: Comparisons with Switzerland, Re: Politics et al!
-Caveat Lector- MJ: Unfortunately 'what you think' and reality are two distinctly separate issues. Switzerland is a Federal Republic. Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: Nay, Johnson. Switzerland is in REALITY a direct democracy in which the eligible voting Citizens can vote on any issue at any time and it will be binding on the Legislature. PROVE me wrong instead of bs'ing. MJ: IF I YELL WILL YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN? I have offered *proof* by pointing at a reality several times now. Federal Republic of Switzerland -- Judicial branch: Federal Supreme Court, judges elected for six-year terms by the Federal Assembly Executive Branch: President and vice president elected by the Federal Assembly from among the members of the Federal Council for one-year terms that run concurrently; Legal system: Civil law system influenced by customary law; judicial review of legislative acts, except with respect to federal decrees of general obligatory character; accepts compulsory ICJ jurisdiction, with reservations Regard$, --MJ Tyranny and despotism can be exercised by many, more rigourously, more vigourously, and more severely, than by one. -- Andrew Johnson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Hillary's got my vote!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:33:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hillary Clinton has my vote. God knows she deserves it and she is more than qualified. OK, I've finally caught on. I've been responding to some of these posts in good faith, but now I get it. Some of you guys are just having a big ole time making sport of the naivety of some of the rest of us. You post absurdities like this just to see who'll bite. My my my DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] Re: Comparisons with Switzerland, Re: Politics et al!
-Caveat Lector- So what? Given that the CITIZENS can initiate a referendum any time, on any matter or any public servant (AS THEY CAN IN B.C. NOW + USING THE RECALL POWER) then the REAL Constitution and ultimate power rests with the one and only political party, which is a "Party of Citizens". FWP. (Self-proclaimed President, Party of Citizens). - On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, M. A. Johnson wrote: From: "M. A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] MJ: Unfortunately 'what you think' and reality are two distinctly separate issues. Switzerland is a Federal Republic. Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: Nay, Johnson. Switzerland is in REALITY a direct democracy in which the eligible voting Citizens can vote on any issue at any time and it will be binding on the Legislature. PROVE me wrong instead of bs'ing. MJ: IF I YELL WILL YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN? I have offered *proof* by pointing at a reality several times now. Federal Republic of Switzerland -- Judicial branch: Federal Supreme Court, judges elected for six-year terms by the Federal Assembly Executive Branch: President and vice president elected by the Federal Assembly from among the members of the Federal Council for one-year terms that run concurrently; Legal system: Civil law system influenced by customary law; judicial review of legislative acts, except with respect to federal decrees of general obligatory character; accepts compulsory ICJ jurisdiction, with reservations DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One world one company.
-Caveat Lector- Oh, Brilliant comment, Josh2 -- it's good to be able to agree with you for once. Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:27 PM, nurev [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Maybe this is the direction we're heading. One company for energy, one for food, one for housing etc... seems very Communistic to me, but if the companies are privately owned, that's another case. Reminds me of an old movie called "Rollerball" where corporations have taken over the world and the one dissident plays a game called rollerball... they change the rules to kill him, but he is too tough for them... wish they would have made a sequel for once. Good Post. Regards, Bob Stokes If you want to see what they want it to look like, see a working model. The best working model is SURPRISE in the good old USA. No, not one company. No one would stand for it. It looks too much like monopoly or totalitarian communism. That's too many people to try to convert. They will use the American method of Oligopoly. That's where 2, 3, or 4 giants control 80% or 90% of any given market. Except for computer operating systems, the most profitable industries are divided up this way. Think about it. a) Breakfast cereals b) Autos c) Soft drinks d) Beer f) Tobacco g) Candy h) Gasoline etc... This is the closest you can get to being a monopoly without being a monopoly. It is also the best way to control prices without being a monopoly. All these companies' products cost about the same in each product market. That means that Coke and pepsi and 7up cost about the same and have been that way for as long as they have dominated the market. Same for Kellogg's and Post. Same for gasoline, candy, and cigarettes. To prove this, go to a supermarket, go to several supermarkets. The Aerospace industry is the first obvious global model. In the whole world there are only two primary airliner manufacturers AirBus and the American monstrosity. This is the future of Capitalism. But don't wory it is already failing. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Just curious
-Caveat Lector- What with all the enthusiasm on this list for impeaching Clinton, I'm curious who you would prefer to see occupying the presidential office: Gore? Livingston? George Bush, Jr.? Trent Lott? Pataki? DeLay? Other? And why do you think your choice would be an improvement? == I didn't think this was about finding an improvement, I thought it was about removing a criminals from the office of the president. One need not be tried and convicted to be a criminal, thousands of robbers and murders have gotten away with out a trial, but that does not remove the fact that they are robbers and murders. A criminals (by any label) is one who transgress the laws on the books. If Clinton has done the same things others have been convicted as a criminals for, then Clinton is a criminal. The fact that high party mob bosses will not be tried for their criminals acts, does not change the fact that they are criminals. When any politician does the very same things others are convicted as felons for, that politician is a felon. No felon/criminals politician who does the same things others are sent to prison for, is fit for office. Powerful criminals holding office? Yes, the party mob families are in control of the government of America. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is the media turning on Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote: I keep hearing the media saying that as far as Clinton goes, it's all over. He's as good as impeached and politically dead. Any opinion that counters that view is given short shrift in passing. If the media IS doing this (and you seem to never give reference to specific media outlets, Marilyn), then it's something that's occurred since this weekend...what I've been hearing on NBC, CNN, FOX, is that Clinton is so popular, that all the polls prove how popular he is, so how can impeachment be seriously considered? It's only since the articles were actually passed by the Judiciary Committee and sent on to the House that, as was pointed out, there has been a subtle shift in the media's reporting...but what I've seen is a reaction akin to amazement that this is actually happening, and perhaps the rats are deciding to abandon a sinking ship... I think also that in the past, the WH wielded a lot of power in only 'allowing' certain reporters and media outlets access to the WH (this applies to past administrations, too, not just Clinton's)...and that now that impeachment seems imminent, those in the media realize they are in the position of Clinton now needing them more than they need him, and they are therefore taking advantage of the situation... This scenario would come about irregardless of the party and the politics of whomever was in the White House...the rats abandon the sinking ship and turn into a flock of vultures circling their dying victim... There's hardly any mention of what this trial would do to the country Not surprising, since the media's never discussed what Chinagate, Whitewater, Vince Foster and all the other murders, have done to this country, either... it's highly unlikely that the Senate would agree with an impeachment. Doesn't matter if the Senate 'agrees'...by the time it comes to the Senate for a trial, the president's already been impeached. Impeachment means only that a public official has been accused of misconduct in office...impeachment does NOT mean removal from office. If the House impeaches, then the Senate holds a trial...a trial which may or may not lead to Clinton's removal from office, but that's why the trial is held...to determine the validity of the charges... The national opinion may be 68-32 in favor of non-impeachment, but The 'national opinion' is as ignorant of what impeachment actually is (as your statement above displays you yourself to be), and therefore when asked about impeachment, 'the public' who equates the word with 'removal from office' answers in the negative... I'd hazard the guess that if the polls instead worded their questions more like: "Do you think the House of Representatives should adopt the charges against the President, and then have the Senate hold a trial based on those charges?", the answers would be very different... Tiresomebut essentially frightening. Not to mention the arm-twisting and career threats going on within Republican ranks to get the desired effect. And the anti-impeachment forces aren't doing the same thing? June ! _ _ _ _ _ _` __ _ _ _ |_ . _ _ _ | -~*~- _/_)(/_(_|/_)(_)| )/_) (_|| (/_(/_ | || )(_|/_) o /!\_| _| /%;@\ o/@,%\o /%;`@,\ o/@'%',\o '^^^M^^^` www.xs4all.nl/~klr *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
[CTRL] Benedict Arnold
-Caveat Lector- How many people know that Arnold was a great American hero? It seems he couldn't control his and that is what got him in trouble ... a woman who happen to have British connections. People talk a lot of patriot talk but of those of you who love your wives, how many love your country more than you love your wife? If a man will betray his own wife, what would keep him from betraying his country? Ask the guy who gave our missile secrets to the Chinese. Several months after Clinton signed the Brady bill to get evil guns off the streets, how many people know that Clinton made a deal with the Chinese and they sent plane loads of guns to the airport in Newark Ohio? Did you know that the guy who did the chinese bribe thingy could have gotten 37 years in prison, but instead he got 5 years probation? Clinton will betray his country for political bribes and he will betray his own wife for beautiful women... No, this slime ball will betray his own wife for women who have to sneak up on a glass of water. It is past time for congress to remove the bad marks from Benedict Arnold's records and correct all history books, for Benedict Arnold was a better man than Bill Clinton. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Taiwan Gets Smart Card National IDs
-Caveat Lector- Taiwan Gets Smart Cards http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/nextfiles981207.html Under a new $300 million program recently announced by Taiwan's deputy minister for economic affairs, every adult will be given two smart cards: one for identification and one for transactions. Deputy Minister Chang Chang-pang made the announcement to the Asia Pacific Smart Card Association in a keynote address. The system will feature both contact and contactless cards, and will be used for ID, medical and social security benefits. It could be the first card to combine all health insurance information, including prescription coverage, on one piece of plastic. One can expect public transportation uses as well, similar to the Octopus system now in use in Hong Kong. "This initiative on the part of the Taiwan government paves the way for the introduction of intelligent smart card solutions in the private and public sectors not just in Taiwan, but across Asia and the rest of the world," APSCA GM Greg Pote noted last week in an IT Daily release. I think he may be right. The ASEAN market, less sensitive to privacy issues that plague the West, is perfect for large-scale smart card development. Once these apps prove themselves in Taiwan, expect to see them in the U.S. and Europe soon. Mark Anderson is the president of Technology Alliance Partners, which provides consulting to telecom and computing firms. Next Files, excerpted from Anderson's Strategic News Service? newsletter, appears every Monday. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FindLaw News
-Caveat Lector- from: http://legalnews.findlaw.com/scripts/legalnews.pl?frame=topL=European_Union R=/news/19981215/bcgermanydeutsche.html 12/15] German bank says ``new'' Nazi proof is 50 yrs old FRANKFURT, Dec 15 (Reuters) - Deutsche Bank, Germany's biggest bank, on Tuesday fired back at a U.S. lawyer representing Holocaust victims, saying his claim to new proof of the bank's Nazi past stemmed from old papers that had been public for about 50 years. New York attorney Edward Fagan said on Monday he sent ``new evidence'' of Deutsche's involvement with the Nazi-era regime in the form of World War Two-era U.S. intelligence documents to U.S. banking and German government officials. A Deutsche Bank spokesman said, however, the evidence was hardly new but apparently came from papers that had been available since shortly after the war ended. ``Mr. Fagan has not yet made his documents available to us,'' a bank spokesman said. ``The details that have been made known to us so far indicate that they have been available for decades.'' The German bank's $10.1 billion purchase of Bankers Trust of the United States is pending approval from U.S. authorities. Fagan said the documents supported a suit he filed in June in federal court demanding $18 billion in reparations from Deutsche Bank and Dresdner Bank for accounts looted from Holocaust victims by the Nazis. ``With this new evidence I will work even harder to see to it that the survivors will finally get the justice they deserve,'' Fagan said. ``Regulators will now have ammunition as they decide on the proposed merger.'' One post-war document obtained by Reuters called for the bank's liquidation and for its officials to be indicted and tried as war criminals over its participation in Nazi war crimes. A November 1946 report by the U.S. Military Government for Germany details how Deutsche Bank carried out an ``aryanization'' program during the Nazi years by broking or buying properties or businesses taken from Jews held in Nazi custody. ``The Deutsche Bank indicated a very early interest in aryanization,'' the report said. It ``gained politically by its demonstrations of loyalty to the Nazi program'' and ``reaped immediate and tangible extra profits'' by keeping accounts. A Deutsche spokesman said he had not seen the documents yet, but added ``Deutsche Bank's involvement in aryanization is known and we have never denied it.'' A flood of lawsuits have been filed by Holocaust victims against German banks and manufacturers including DaimlerChrysler, Volkswagen and Siemens. New York City Comptroller Alan Hevesi has said he would block the merger unless Deutsche Bank first settles survivors' claims, the Times reported Monday. Last Updated: 12/15/98 09:44 EST http://legalnews.findlaw.com/scripts/legalnews.pl?frame=topL=AsiaR=/news/1 9981215/bcjapannationalisation.html 12/15] Tough times ahead for Japan's bank revival panel TOKYO, Dec 15 (Reuters) - Tough times lie ahead for Japan's Financial Revitalisation Commission, launched on Tuesday with the task of judging if banks are solvent and whether to nationalise or liquidate them. Under a nationalisation scheme adopted in October, the commission aims to dispose of problem loans at failed or failing banks without harming depositors or sound borrowers. Up to 18 trillion yen ($153 billion) in public money is available for temporarily nationalising banks and covering losses stemming from cleaning up their balance sheets. The scheme lasts until March 2001. Tokyo has quickened moves to clear up its banking system woes amid a rising chorus of international demands that Japan reform the financial system as a top priority in reviving its economy. Analysts say the commission's immediate tasks include setting the price for the government's acquisition of shares in two banks which have already been put under temporary state control. Nationalisation of Nippon Credit Bank (NCB) was announced on Sunday, and the Long-Term Credit Bank of Japan was placed under state control on October 23. But analysts warned of the possibility of lawsuits. ``The share prices of NCB and LTCB will be set at nil as they were regarded as being insolvent... It might upset shareholders and some may file a suit, particularly NCB's shareholders,'' said Akira Takai, a senior analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research. The commission can nationalise a bank by making a forced purchase of all of its common shares regardless of any protest from shareholders. But analysts said shareholders could file a suit if they disagreed about the price. Under a bank revitalisation law that took effect in October, a bank can request nationalisation, as LTCB did. But if there are concerns over its ability to repay depositors, it can be compulsorily put under temporary state control. NCB was nationalised despite its resistance. When the commission puts a bank under temporary state control, it appoints a new board of directors to approve a sound credit
Re: [CTRL] Benedict Arnold
-Caveat Lector- This particular quack from you was right on. DAN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:38 AM Subject: [CTRL] Benedict Arnold -Caveat Lector- How many people know that Arnold was a great American hero? It seems he couldn't control his and that is what got him in trouble ... a woman who happen to have British connections. People talk a lot of patriot talk but of those of you who love your wives, how many love your country more than you love your wife? If a man will betray his own wife, what would keep him from betraying his country? Ask the guy who gave our missile secrets to the Chinese. Several months after Clinton signed the Brady bill to get evil guns off the streets, how many people know that Clinton made a deal with the Chinese and they sent plane loads of guns to the airport in Newark Ohio? Did you know that the guy who did the chinese bribe thingy could have gotten 37 years in prison, but instead he got 5 years probation? Clinton will betray his country for political bribes and he will betray his own wife for beautiful women... No, this slime ball will betray his own wife for women who have to sneak up on a glass of water. It is past time for congress to remove the bad marks from Benedict Arnold's records and correct all history books, for Benedict Arnold was a better man than Bill Clinton. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: DNA Sample with Every Arrest
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: `The innocent have nothing to fear,'' Safir said Monday. ``Only if you are guilty should you worry about DNA testing.'' I can't tell you how sick I am of hearing this litany!!! I have nothing to fear if they come in and break down my door and smash my furniture looking for nonexistent illegal stuff too right!! I have nothing to fear when they confiscate my weapons, and my car and my money and house simply because some informant told them I was a drug dealer. I have nothing to fear right? I did nothing wrong, and have nothing to fear, I have so little to fear in fact that soon I will have nothing. . .period!!! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A kinder, gentler lynch mob - Part I
-Caveat Lector- A kinder, gentler lynch mob Salon, 12/15/98 THE 'PEACHY-KEEN GOP HAS SHOWN ITS TRUE COLORS -- AND THEY CONFIRM THE MOST BRAIN-DEAD RADICAL STEREOTYPES FROM THE '60S. BY GARY KAMIYA I grew up believing that Republicans were the incarnation of all evil. This was a harsh and unsophisticated judgment, but the political discourse of 1960s Berkeley, where I grew up, lacked a certain refinement. In fact, to be honest, it was pretty much taken straight from Saturday morning cartoons. In our righteous view, "the people," whoever they were, were always being "oppressed" by The Man, a bloated GOP plutocrat mouthing pious moral maxims. It went without saying that Republicans were self-righteous, mean-spirited rich white men who secretly napalmed Cambodian villages, turned loose the dogs against civil rights marchers and dug the Carpenters. They were Bad, and if we could somehow get rid of them -- meanwhile taking lots of acid and listening to Hendrix -- Good Things would happen. Later, like many of my co-religionists, I became embarrassed by these sentiments. Such crude beliefs were unseemly. Sophistication demanded a more nuanced view. Republicans, I now realized, could be decent men and women who were just parroting the country-club line. Even the Reagan Age -- that endless period I as a Californian was forced to spend under the Great Communicator's genially callous thumb, while the Woolly Mammoths died out and Ice Ages came and went across the globe -- couldn't make me return to the wooden Stalinist sloganeering of my youth. I even reevaluated the Carpenters. And then came the Starr referral and Henry Hyde and the House Judiciary Committee vote, and I realized I had gotten it right the first time. When the Republicans in the full House vote to remove President Clinton from office, as they will almost certainly do, they will prove that those brain- dead radical stereotypes about them really do apply. They will be revealed as mean-spirited, partisan hacks, hypocrites, moral absolutists hiding their craven desire for vengeance and power beneath a ridiculously transparent façade of pious "deliberation" and "respect for law." The GOP will stand exposed before all of America as the party of vicious, petty ideologues who, in their outrageous desire to undo the results of two lawful elections, seized upon a grotesquely acquired legalistic evasion that falls so far short of meeting the constitutional standard of high crimes and misdemeanors as to be laughable. Or, let's give them the benefit of the doubt, as the ever-generous New York Times did in a recent editorial. Let's assume that some of them are actually sincere in their belief that lying about sex -- in an obvious vendetta case brought by a biased and obsessed "independent" counsel who, after utterly failing to find any serious misdeeds, connived to lay a perjury trap -- constitutes an impeachable offense. But if they really believe that, then we must conclude that either their grasp of the Constitution is so weak that their fitness to sit in any elected office is highly questionable, or that they are so rigid in their moral purity as to be Torquemadas in power ties, quasi-theocratic inquisitors who would turn America into a frightening Bible Belt version of 15th century Spain or 20th century Iran. Why are the Republicans doing this? Why, defying the express wishes of the American people, are they trampling on the Constitution, weakening the presidency and inaugurating a hideous new political world of blood feuds and true hatred? And why are they ignoring the warnings from the business community -- to which they used to listen -- that impeachment is dangerous and destabilizing? The answer is simple: This is who they are. This action reflects the GOP's true nature. This is a party so desperate to burn a president they dislike at the stake that they'll incinerate the Constitution to get the fire started. All that hoo-hah a few weeks ago about how Robert Livingston was going to bring a new "moderation" to the party now that nutty professor Gingrich was gone stands revealed as empty verbiage. The truth is that this is now a party of zealots and ideologues, obsessed crusaders who have completely lost touch with the common sense, fairness and decency of the American people. Like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge, who declared a purifying "Year Zero" when history's slate was to be wiped clean (and all nonpeasants were to be killed), these high- minded crusaders want to restore America's sense of moral purpose -- and if they have to trash the country in order to do it, well, extremism in the defense of virtue is no vice! To the tumbrels with the parasites, citizens, while the Times and the Post knit their stern editorials! GOP "moderates"? What moderates? The few "moderates" who are trotted forth on TV to be shown to the mob, like condemned Chinese dissidents with signs hanging around their necks, seem barely sentient. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ==
[CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob - Part II
-Caveat Lector- A KINDER, GENTLER LYNCH MOB | PAGE 1, 2 - - - - - - - - - - The façade of "judiciousness" and "bipartisanship" that the pious media, ever cowed by the musty aura of Historic Constitutional Events, dark-wooded chambers, invocations of "our national honor" and other useful fig leafs for skullduggery, tried to sell us has vanished without a trace. Hyde, the Iran- contra apologist and wisecracking GOP attack dog who was elevated to Solomon- like heights of wisdom by the media before the disgraceful House Judicial proceedings began, has now taken up final residence in the trash can with unsavory American byproducts like our anal home-grown Robespierre, Kenneth Starr, and the maniacal Bob Barr, who apparently believes that Clinton should have been impeached at birth. There was Hyde this weekend on the talk shows, saying that Clinton should resign. This paragon of impartiality apparently modeled his jurisprudential approach on the Red Queen in "Alice in Wonderland," who, as a witness departs in the trial of the Knave of Hearts, says under her voice, "And just take off his head outside." But, gosh, he sure sounds courtly talking that parliamentary talk. In fact, Hyde may have been taking those groveling Times setup pieces a little too seriously, for this weekend he began to invoke no less a figure than Jesus Christ. Asked by Cokie Roberts why he advocated impeachment and didn't think censure should be an option despite popular opinion, he replied, "If Jesus Christ had taken a poll, he would never have preached the gospel." This is a wonderful addition to the great American tradition of reactionary invocations of Jesus, who after patriotism represents the best refuge for scoundrels. (The all-time winner remains that English-only advocate who declaimed, "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.") With all due respect to the pious motivations behind Chairman Hyde's religious parallel, however, it may not be a good strategy for him to go there. Somehow, when one looks at the faces of Clinton's judges -- the pig-eyed ex-exterminator Tom DeLay; the robotic, hate-filled Barr; the snidely, vitriolic David Schippers; the priggish choirboy-judge Bill McCollum -- the loving face of the Savior does not exactly rush into one's mind. In fact, these worthies recall somewhat less inspiring figures from the New Testament -- namely the Pharisees, those vengeful, legalistic Jews who denounced Jesus. (The "moderates," who will doubtless be washing their hands avidly in the days to come, conjure up that noted Northeastern GOP fence-sitter, Pontius Pilate.) Admittedly, the mushy- souled escape artist President Clinton makes a truly terrible Jesus, but the imagery still isn't good. The Republicans are zealots, but they're crafty zealots. Their attempt to take Clinton down may blow up in their faces, but they have reasons for thinking it won't. They think they can get away with this without being punished at the polls, even if they don't kill Clinton. But they cherish a secret hope that they will kill him -- that once impeachment is a fait accompli, with all the previously mentioned flag-waving, invocation of the Founders, gravity of the charges blah blah blah, public opinion will turn against Clinton, leading either to his resignation or to his conviction and removal by the Senate. And that hope is based on their belief that Clinton's support is inch-deep -- that once the American people realize he's in trouble, they'll desert him like rats abandoning a sinking ship. It's the self-fulfilling prophecy strategy, and it is astonishingly contemptuous. It presumes that the American people have no memory, no spiritual or moral consistency, that they are incapable of holding onto any position any longer than a jittery kid with a remote can watch one TV program. The GOP believes this for several reasons. First, they too are children of our Warholian society of the spectacle, in which everything that flickers across the screen has equal weight and nothing stays on the screen for more than a few seconds. As such, they too have been seduced by the belief that, in Marx's words, "all that is solid melts into air." Yesterday's Clinton supporter is today's impeachment supporter. The scary thing is, they just might be right. There have been very few tests of our national consistency in the channel-changing age. The public might be influenced by the media, which has begun running this-is-a-whole-new-ballgame- now stories. The Times, much of whose Clinton coverage continues to appall, splashed on its cover a thin reaction story (ominous headline: "Gravity of the issues sinking in for a public weary of scandal") that featured two or three people in that multicultural mirror of America, Tarrytown, N.Y., saying they were now leaning toward impeachment. (How odd, considering nothing in this story has changed in months except the vote to impeach.) But it would be bitterly ironic (although perfectly consistent,
Re: [CTRL] Bubba gets Contrite!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 4:58:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why does he still allow the news media inside the white House with their own room. Boot them out into the cold for God's sake. Jerry Harp Yeah, but look at what happened when he just booted out the guys in the Travel Office who were giving them all those perks. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 12/16/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Impeachment Watch Key Republicans Dessert Clinton Momentum for Impeachment Builds WASHINGTON - In an ominous development for President Bill Clinton, several key Republican moderates in the House of Representatives added their voices Tuesday to the mounting calls for his impeachment. ''Clearly, the momentum is in the direction of the House voting articles of impeachment,'' said Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, an influential Democrat. The White House has desperately sought to persuade some of the 20 to 24 undeclared Republicans to oppose impeachment in what is expected to be an extremely close vote in the House on Thursday or Friday. But in the last two days more than a dozen previously undeclared Republicans have come out in favor of impeachment. In a blow to White House hopes, Representative Nancy Johnson of Connecticut, co-leader of a group of moderate House Republicans, said Tuesday that she would vote to impeach President Clinton. ''The president does not have the right to commit perjury when it is convenient or when he thinks the charges against him are frivolous,'' Ms. Johnson said. Another Republican, Representative Jay Dickey, who represents Mr. Clinton's home district in Arkansas, criticized the White House for what he said were scare tactics to influence his vote. It is like a ''tidal wave'' against the president, said Harold Ickes, a Democratic consultant and Mr. Clinton's former deputy chief of staff. He said there was still a chance of stopping that tide, however. But the latest Republican declarations left prospects sharply higher that the full House would approve at least one of the four articles of impeachment before it, in effect indicting the president and sending the case to the Senate for trial. As representatives streamed back to Washington for party caucus meetings Wednesday and the historic debate to open Thursday, only a few were still undecided which lever they would pull. They were much on the mind of the president, who was returning late Tuesday from the Middle East. It was unclear whether there was time left for even a dramatic gesture - perhaps a statement to the House of Representatives - to tip the balance away from impeachment. White House aides said they were waiting to hear whether Mr. Clinton had decided to run the risks of such a gesture. His earlier comments have often fanned Republican anger because the president has not admitted that he lied under oath in the Paula Jones sexual harassment inquiry or before the grand jury of the independent counsel, Kenneth Starr. And while some House members have said they will oppose impeachment only if Mr. Clinton admits to having lied under oath about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, a former White House intern, others might use such an admission to justify a vote to impeach. Another jolt to White House prospects came from Representative Jack Quinn of New York, who had been one of the first Republicans to publicly oppose impeachment. He reversed himself Tuesday, saying he would vote for the four articles of impeachment. Representative John McHugh of New York was among the other Republicans who said they would support impeachment. Two of the four articles of impeachment, sent to the full House by the Judiciary Committee, assert that Mr. Clinton committed perjury in his sworn denials of having had an intimate relationship with Ms. Lewinsky, one holds that he obstructed justice in seeking to conceal the relationship, and one holds that he abused his power in his attempts to resist the investigation of his affair. If a simple majority of House members - 218 of the 435 - votes for even one article, then the Senate will hold a trial, presided over by the chief justice. With senators acting as a jury, 67 votes in the 100-seat chamber would be required to remove the president from office. Clinton loyalists and Democratic allies carried their anti-impeachment drive forward Tuesday on a variety of fronts, from radio ads to rallies and vigils. The White House, however, seemed shaken and unsure of what more it could do. ''The reality is there is less and less that can be done from here,'' Ann Lewis, the White House communications director, told the Los Angeles Times. ''This is a somber place. We've got a very difficult challenge.'' Pressure on still-undeclared legislators was intense. Some were receiving 250 telephone calls an hour. Representative Dickey of Arkansas likened the pressure to ''12 hours of surgery without anesthesia'' and lashed out at an unidentified White House aide for suggesting that it would be ''political suicide'' for him to oppose impeachment. Mr. Dickey said he would not decide how to vote until returning to Washington on Wednesday. The White House spokesman, Joe Lockhart, said
[CTRL] Cop Crimes
-Caveat Lector- from: http://members.aol.com/copcrimes/ A HREF="http://members.aol.com/copcrimes/"Cop Crimes - Police brutality, law enforcement /A - You are victim number to visit since 8/9/98 Bill of Rights Day - December 15, 1998 ( download your copy of the Bill of Rights ) Treasury Dept. obstructs Humanitarian Efforts If you're not yet a victim of police brutality, lying, harassment, theft, or abuse ... it's likely you soon will be. They carry guns, use military technology against civilians, are given special privileges, have extraordinary responsibility, and are entrusted with the protection of society as a whole - but do some Cops really break the Law? We know they do - and often. Some of the best criminals (best at being criminals) work in law enforcement, and your fate lies in their integrity. Police brutality law enforcement cop badge baton squad car patrol officer sheriff Police brutality is increasing at an alarming rate. Luckily, as Americans, we are guaranteed the freedom to engage in insurrection against those who would deny us our Rights. police brutality law enforcement Mind you - the broad brush does not apply here. Merely being a cop doesn't mean a person is all bad, however, the "blue wall of silence" tends to show the "good" cops supporting the "bad" cops so as not to betray their brethren. Nevertheless, the CopCrimes Homepage is not intended to "bash" cops - but rather to expose the dirty ones, the ones who seem to thrive on police brutality. police brutality law enforcement We have found that the honest cops are supportive of our effort to expose the corruption and abuse. If you're one of the cops who is named on this site, your rebuttal (if any) can be submitted by one of the following report forms, or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This site serves to affect public policy and is dedicated to informing the public about dirty Cops and police brutality in the Unites States, with an emphasis on (but not limited to) Sacramento County, California. police brutality law enforcement Know a dirty cop? There's an informational report form on the next page. There is also a link to our self-publishing / ready to publish posting site where you can publish your report directly to the Internet. If you know the e-mail address for the cop being reported, then please include it - the officer can be sent an email message or U.S.P.S. Postcard notification telling them they have "... been listed on CopCrimes," including a reference to the alleged offense(s). *See details at bottom* police brutality law enforcement NOTE: Favorable submissions on good, honest cops are also welcome. This site is an ongoing, expanding effort to educate. Only through education and prevention, will the public be better equipped to handle the increasing wave of criminal police activity. Being in " contempt of cop " should not be a crime. police brutality Over 1/3 of the U.S. is on the Internet and 90% of that third - VOTE Why is this important? Because this site is here to affect public policy. See what dirty cops have to say about the CopCrimes Homepage Case Law: Find out how to protect yourself against those law encroachment officers. Here you'll find explicit case law and court decisions on the right to self-protection against the unlawful acts of rogue police officers. The following table of cities is by no means complete ... look for cities in your general area, and be warned about suspect cops near you ( or contact us with information to add a new city, if it isn't there already). Police brutality law enforcement copcrimes murder police brutality law enforcement City or County police brutality law enforcement Alameda Azusa Bakersfield C.H.P. Citrus Heights El Dorado Fortuna Lakewood Los Angeles Marin County Ontario Sacramento San Bernadino San Francisco San Luis Obispo Santa Clara Santa Cruz Santa Monica Seaside Sunnyvale Ventura SUBMIT A REPORT for our review, and potential publication sheriff (This is the form used to submit CopCrimes Reports through us) sheriff police brutality Links to cop crimes in each state: police brutality Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Wash. D.C. Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming Departments of Corrections F.B.I. BATF Pepper Spray Canada Immigration Naturalization Services ( INS ) Child Protective Services (CPS) Judges
[CTRL] Cybercrime, Cyberterrorism, Cyberwarfare
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.jya.com/cyber-trip.htm A HREF="http://www.jya.com/cyber-trip.htm"Cybercrime, Cyberterrorism, Cyberwarfare/A - Many embedded links, at site. Om K - 15 December 1998 DoD News Briefing Tuesday, December 15, 1998 - 1:40 p.m. Mr. Kenneth H. Bacon, ASD PA [Excerpt] Q: Different subject. The Center for Strategic International Studies put out a report today warning about the threat of cyber-terrorism, and it's something new. The Defense Science Board put out one in '96. There have been other [words] in this building. The Center study, they said the main reason was to try to get the nation to pay attention to this thing -- a serious threat that nobody's concentrating enough on. What's the feeling here? Is the nation doing what it needs to to counter the possibility of an electronic Pearl Harbor? A: I haven't read the report so I can't comment specifically on that report. The threat of an electronic Pearl Harbor or the threat of cyber-terrorism -- which could be much less hyperbolic than an electronic Pearl Harbor -- is clearly one that's getting increasing attention in this building and throughout the government. There was, as you know, a critical infrastructure task force and report last year or early this year, that has led to some reorganization within the government, and a new focus on ways to protect our critical infrastructure -- whether it's the power system or whether it's the water systems or whether it's our computer systems. So increasing attention is being paid to that. I think it's an area in which it's very difficult to say that enough attention is being paid, in part because the question always arises, how much is enough? But clearly, it's one that's of growing concern to the military and growing concern to this Administration as well. So it's getting more attention in the building, and more attention outside the building. And I might add, I believe it's getting more attention from private industry as well. [End excerpt] Source: http://www.csis.org/pubs/newpubs.html Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) December 15, 1998 Cybercrime... Cyberterrorism... Cyberwarfare... Averting An Electronic Waterloo A Report of the CSIS Global Organized Crime Project William H. Webster, project chair Arnaud de Borchgrave, project director Patrick R. Gallagher, task force chair Frank J. Cilluffo, task force director editor Bruce D. Berkowitz, task force editor Stephanie Lanz, task force research assistant editor The United States today faces a new and unprecedented threat: strategic information warfare. There is now the potential for a dedicated, sophisticated adversary to conduct coordinated strikes against the computers, communications systems, and databases that underpin modern society. This is not mere hacking or computer crime; rather, the objectives are geopolitical and economic. And traditional national security solutions will be ineffective. U.S. leaders must prepare for this threat, unseen until it is unleashed, and work effectively with the private sector owners and operators of the information infrastructure-the primary targets-to thwart attacks on the foundation of U.S. prosperity and strength. This report assesses that threat and points the way toward practical responses. William H. Webster is a former director of the CIA and the FBI and serves as chair of the Global Organized Crime Project. Arnaud de Borchgrave is a senior adviser at CSIS and director of the Global Organized Crime Project. Contents Acknowledgments Project Membership Foreword Summary of Recommendations 1.Introduction 2.Key Judgments 3.The Challenge 4.What Would Strategic Information Warfare Look Like? 5.Addressing the Threat 6.Roles of Government and Industry 7.Criteria and Recommendations for Policy Response CSIS Panel Report 96 pp.November 1998ISBN 0-89206-295-9 $21.95 Order the Report Source: http://www.csis.org/pubs/cyberfor.html Foreword The United States is now exposed to a host of new threats to the economy, indeed to the whole of society. It has erected immensely complex information systems on insecure foundations. The ability to network has far outpaced the ability to protect networks. The economy is totally dependent on these systems. America's adversaries and enemies recognize this dependency and are developing weapons of mass disruption and destruction. In today's electronic environment, many haters can become a Saddam Hussein and take on the world's most technologically vulnerable nation. America's most wanted transnational terrorist Osama bin Laden uses laptops with satellite uplinks and heavily encrypted messages to liaise across national borders with his global underground network. There is no
[CTRL] Fwd: CnbsCL ACLU piece against DEA Forfeiture (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:53:34 -0600 From: Ewin H. Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Friend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ACLU piece against forfeiture One of the few times I can agree with an ACLU position! From the ACLU's email newsletter: ACLU Freedom Network Web Page: http://www.aclu.org. ACLU Op-Ed Advertisement Asks: "Did You Know the Money in Your Wallet Could Be Legally Confiscated?" FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, December 11, 1998 NEW YORK--Police agencies across the country are relieving innocent people of cash, cars and other property -- and it's all perfectly legal, the American Civil Liberties Union warned today. In the ninth installment of its public policy advertising campaign running on the op-ed page of The New York Times and The New Republic, the ACLU said that because 75 percent of American money is tainted with cocaine, police have the right to seize people's cash, as well as any other assets they can get their hands on. "In 1984, Congress gave police the right to keep and spend any 'drug-related' assets they seize," the advertisement says. "Police have since taken cars, homes, restaurants, and cash in epidemic proportions. And they can use these assets for anything from patrol cars to parties." The year-long advertising campaign, a first-ever effort for the 78-year-old organization, has run on The New York Times op-ed page once a month during 1998. Each ad contained a briefly worded message from ACLU Executive Director Ira Glasser on topical subjects ranging from the war on drugs to religious freedom to government intrusions in the bedroom. In the current ad, Glasser says that most of the victims of government forfeiture laws aren't criminals. "Like the 75-year-old grandmother who lost her home because her drug-dealing son had once lived there. Or the landscaper whose $9,000 was seized at the airport because Ôonly drug dealers carry that much cash.'" Those and other stories have landed the issue before Congress, prompting House Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde, R-IL, to introduce the bi-partisan "Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act" to overhaul the nation's laws on property seizures. In June 1997 Congressional testimony supporting the bill, ACLU President Nadine Strossen said that reforms are critically needed because "innocent property owners, or those who have committed only minor infractions are now subject to draconian punishments and property deprivations." The bill is expected to be re-introduced in the 106th Congress, and the ACLU is urging people to support the measure. One leading historian, today's ad notes, calls forfeiture laws nothing less than a government "license to steal." "The war on drugs has become a war on the Constitution," the ad concludes. "What kind of country rewards its police for shaking down its own citizens?" To further stimulate public discussion, the ad will have an interactive component through a "message board" on the ACLU's Freedom Network Website at http://www.aclu.org/features/nytimesad121198.html. Visitors to the website will be able to access background information on the subject of this month's ad, and will be invited to post their own thoughts to an interactive message board. Today's ad concludes the op-ed series for 1998. The ACLU said that it is contemplating continuing the popular feature in the coming year. The ACLU is a nationwide, non-partisan organization dedicated to defending and preserving the Bill of Rights for all individuals through litigation, legislation and public education. Headquartered in New York City, the ACLU has 53 staffed affiliates in major cities, more than 300 chapters nationwide, and a legislative office in Washington. The bulk of its $35 million annual budget is raised by contributions from members -- 275,000 strong -- and gifts and grants from other individuals and foundations. The ACLU does not accept government funds. The new ACLU advertisement can be found at: http://www.aclu.org/features/nytimesad121198.html
[CTRL] IBM's Secure Mailer
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.jya.com/ibm-secmail.htm A HREF="http://www.jya.com/ibm-secmail.htm"IBM's Secure Mailer/A - 14 December 1998 Source: http://www.ibm.com/Press/prnews.nsf/f2c9dfb4f2374775852565d2000eb728/f5f 689efafab1ca3852566da0054821d?OpenDocument IBM Releases Open Software to Improve Security, Performance Reliability of Internet E-mail Systems Free Secure Mailer Code Could Ensure Security of Systems Transferring Billions of E-mails Daily Yorktown Heights, NY, December 14, 1998: IBM today announced it is making available open source software designed to improve the security, reliability and performance of e-mail delivery services, a crucial component of the Internet's infrastructure. Called Secure Mailer, the new software could replace e-mail delivery software that processes more than three-quarters of the Internet's e-mail traffic today. Developed by IBM researcher Wietse Venema, Secure Mailer is far more robust and flexible than similar messaging components, called Mail Transfer Agents (MTA). According to Venema, the majority of e-mail -- more than a billion messages sent daily worldwide -- is processed by MTA technology that originated in the early eighties and was not designed with today's Internet traffic and security needs in mind. Secure Mailer is available for download beginning today from IBM's alphaWorks Web site at www.ibm.com/alphaworks. Secure Mailer is open-source software, so anyone can freely copy, use, modify and distribute it. "By offering Secure Mailer free without licensing restrictions, IBM is helping build a stronger base for secure e-business," said Jeff Jaffe, general manager for IBM's IT Security. "This is an important step because MTAs with poor security are one of the most common ways for intruders to invade a company's network." Secure Mailer Offers Security, Reliability, Speed Messaging systems are comprised of Mail User Agents (MUAs), which send and request mail from users to their designated mail server, and Mail Transfer Agents (MTAs), which deliver mail to and from the various servers on a network. These mail systems are some of the most heavily used pieces of software on the Internet and form the basic plumbing for direct information exchange. Historically, e-mail systems have been a security risk because they must maintain some degree of openness to accept and distribute information. Secure Mailer is built to be an industrial-strength, general purpose MTA. It is specifically designed to keep up with the daily delivery of millions of messages, while maintaining a performance level nearly three times that of existing MTAs. IBM Research employed "defensive programming" techniques when developing Secure Mailer so it avoids operations and assumptions that could make it vulnerable to intruders, system errors, and malformed or suspicious e-mail. If any irregularities occur, safety nets in the various Secure Mailer components prevent them from adversely affecting the system. "We designed Secure Mailer so it proactively combats possible threats by assuming there will be attacks and fortifying those potential points of entry," said Venema. "It also protects against inadvertent user or administration errors that could lead to service interruptions." Secure Mailer was also designed to behave rationally under stress. For example, most mail systems can be dramatically slowed and even frozen by heavy traffic or resource requests, making mission-critical business communications difficult. A malicious attack such as a mail bomb -- when huge amounts of mail are sent to one user or host -- are intended to cripple mail systems. Because these systems cannot differentiate between a mail bomb and legitimate mass mailings on company servers and ISPs, these types of ill-intentioned deeds are difficult to defend against. With Secure Mailer, extremely heavy e-mail traffic will gracefully degrade performance, rather than crash the system. Modular Structure Enhances Customization and Security Secure Mailer has a modular architecture, so that each component can focus on its task alone and any problems or irregularities remain isolated to that piece of the application. Most other MTAs are built as singular monolithic programs, making the entire system potentially vulnerable to any problems. "E-mail systems are like people -- if you gave one person too many responsibilities and too little time, they could suffer burnout," Venema explained. "But Secure Mailer's sturdy components do one task each and do it well." The modular structure of Secure Mailer makes it much easier to port, configure, maintain and test, as well. Available from IBM for the UNIX/AIX platform, this modular design allows for easy configuration, letting system administrators pick and choose which MTA capabilities they need. It is standards-compliant and is built to be interoperable with the more common standards-compliant MTAs in
Re: [CTRL] Just curious
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:06:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gore? Livingston? George Bush, Jr.? Trent Lott? Pataki? DeLay? Other? And why do you think your choice would be an improvement? Oh, let's make it Livingston. That way we won't have to worry about the military/industrial complex. We will have become the military/industrial complex. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or are we all expendable? We sure are. Actually they don't even think of us. And when they do, they consider us as rather sub-human. Did you notice that they thought we were so stupid we didn't know what oral sex was. They did everything but a comic book in their efforts to arouse our wrath. Maybe there's one coming out. It will be so good to have it in pictures. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 10:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Holocaust" literature also suggests that Christianity is inherently "anti-Semitic" and that the Catholic Church collaborated in the "Holocaust". Both of these statements are true and easily verifiable. Christianity has a long history of anti-Semitism. I believe that Christianity has now essentially shucked that evil, the exception in the US being the racism of the identity movement (there are, of course, parallel groups in Europe). The southern Klansmen and white Aryan groups have heavily infiltrated the militia groups. The militia groups was already imbedded with the identity movement. The southern racists found it was easy to add another brand of hate to these deeply suspicious men who had already been forced off farms and out of heavy industry as the economy began to seriously go global in the 1980s. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who had been tracking the movements of the most prominent racists were the first to detect this movement of leaders from the Klan and white citizen counsels to the militias. They have now set up a militia tracking unit. They report on both the traditional Klan type activity and the racist activity among the militia in their Intelligence Report, a quarterly. Of course racism is having a bit of a resurgence in Europe due to East European "wetbacks" swarming into West Europe. The Westerners resent the job competition much as the folks in California resented the "Okies" et al during the 1930s The Catholic Church did not collaborate in the Holocaust. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: ZNS: MONEY update.
Hi Guys: MONEY is printed and will be available for shipping in a few days, probably Friday. A last-minute problem (now solved) foil-stamping the hardcovers delayed the project. We've been asked if we think we will still be able to get books to U.S. customers before Christmas. The answer is YES! Orders are processed as they arrive, and when the books arrive we'll match them with invoices and the appropriate (addressed) shipping container. We plan to ship all orders the day we receive our initial inventory. But here's a nice holiday surprise for you: As you may already know, the regular per-copy price of MONEY is $39.95, an autograph (including the date and time I sign the book) is $20, and U.S. 3-day s/h is $10. Washington state residents pay 8.6% tax. However, in keeping with the season's spirit, we're offering a generous discount on orders we receive on or before Thursday, Dec 24. Washingtonians still have to pay the 8.6% tax, but, otherwise, here's the deal: Pay only $50: get one copy, with autograph and s/h, shipped anywhere in the U.S. Pay only $90: get two copies, with autographs and s/h, to one U.S. address. Pay only $125: get three copies, with autographs and s/h, to one U.S. address. Why should you buy copies of MONEY? Here are several reasons. 1. You'll enjoy its beauty. It's a stunningly attractive 8 1/2 x 11 1/2 inch casebound educational book, 347 pages, 1,200-entry index, with 48 pages of huge color photos of U.S. paper currencies; gold certificates, silver certificates, fractional currencies, etc., from as early as 1690; and color photos of all denominations of U.S. gold, silver, minor, Colonial, and privately-minted coins. MONEY's color photos also include the highest denomiminations of the four major U.S. paper currencies: $1,000 silver certificate, $10,000 U.S. Note, $10,000 Federal Reserve Note, and $100,000 gold certificate. 2. You'll enjoy its rarity. MONEY should become a collector's item because we believe it will be the world's first exposure to color photos of U.S. paper currency. Color reproduction of U.S. paper currency has always been a federal offense but about two years ago the law was changed. Shortly thereafter, we received our written permission from the U.S. Secret Service to publish MONEY with color photos. Copies of MONEY autographed at the earliest date and time should become the most valuable. I'll autograph the books sequentially, as we received the customer's orders. 3. You'll appreciate its educational value. MONEY cuts through the fog of confusion about fractional-reserve banking, federal deficit spending, the national debt, inflation, and the fact there is no precious metal backing for our paper currency today. Great for "home schoolers" of any age! 4. You'll be delighted with the credentials of its supporting materials. MONEY is loaded with facts, facts, facts: its 16 appendices include money-related U.S. laws, judicial quotations, law-dictionary definitions, encyclopedia articles, graphs, tables, and about 180 authoritative quotations on money (chronologically ordered from about 1750 B.C. to early 1998). Sources are: Encyclopaedia Britannica, Oxford English Dictionary, Black's Law Dictionary, Bouvier's Law Dictionary, West's "Words and Phrases," and even Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language. (Some material is quoted, other material is photographically reproduced.) 5. You'll feel very good about giving copies of MONEY to relatives and friends. MONEY, whose subtitle is "Ye shall have honest weights and measures," promotes "honest weights and measures" in today's society, a very worthy purpose. 6. You'll benefit by having your neighbors, friends, and associates fully understand the depth and breadth of today's monetary "hocus pocus." Even though it is crammed with facts and careful analysis, MONEY is written in layman's language to best communicate with the average voter. The bottom-line message in MONEY is that inflation and unbacked paper currency _may_ be evidence of the world's most powerful criminal syndicate perpetrating financial fraud on a colossal scale, possibly the largest crime in history. MONEY offers even relatively uninformed readers a friendly, sometimes humorous introduction to reality. MONEY's authoritative, credentialed sources, plus its patient, careful explanation of verbal manipulation tactics, should help most readers detect and avoid financial scams perpetrated by petty crooks AND scheming politicians. MONEY. There's never been another book like it. We accept e-gold(R)(account 100997), VISA, MasterCard, and U.S. or Canadian checks, money orders, and cash; in U.S. funds only. Ordering is easy: 1. Call me at 253-874-2704; or, 2. Fax me your order and credit card info (fax number 253-815-0265); or, 3. Email your order to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]; or, 4. Mail your order
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: In the Beginning was the Word -- TAXES
-Caveat Lector- Why does that surprise us. Right from the start, it was the poor supporting the rich.Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob - Part II
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 10:21:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe the go-for-the-jugular Republican strategy will work, and the American public will be won over to impeachment. But it probably won't. And there is reason to think that the day of the impeachment vote -- most likely Dec. 17 -- will be a day that will live in GOP infamy -- that it will be remembered as the day that the party lost its moral standing, became a marginal home for dogmatists and cranks and cynical political opportunists willing to ignore the wishes of the majority to satisfy the ravings of true believers. The Republicans thought they could get away with spitting in the face of the American people, but they may be spitting against the wind. SALON | Dec. 15, 1998 According to a long-time Republican friend, the Republicans are risking nothing. According to him, the American public are so stupid and have such short memories that by the time the next election comes around, they will have forgotten all about this matter. Makes you wonder. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone here know even one person who would be able to enter one of our underground facilities in case of such trouble? Apart from that place in Virginia (?) does anyone know where our underground facilities are? (Not talking about subways.) Are any of them designed to be "open to the public"? Or are we all expendable? No, i don't. My recollection is that by the 1970s, most people were mocking what feeble federal efforts had been made to carry on in case of a US/USSR nuclear war. For me, the most ludicrous was not even the "duck and cover" nonsense, but rather the Postal Service plan to continue delivering the mail. God forbid we should miss an issue of Readers Digest! Few believed in the efficacy of the few shelters that had been built or conversions of basements in governmental buildings completed. The government folks apparently agreed and the shelter notion was quietly abandoned except for the few DC elite. While i agree that we are unprepared for nuclear weapons hitting our cities, it is not probable that anything practical can be done. Those backward shelters of the 1950s would have been money wasted if an attack would have occurred. There was a controversial British animation film on this that was shown on PBS. There was also an American film with the woman who headed up the NEA for a time playing a major acting role. Made you wonder if survival was necessarily the best thing. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp forwarded: A KINDER, GENTLER LYNCH MOB SALON | Dec. 15, 1998 snip Instructions for myrmidons MJ: Reading through this tripe, the consideration of a 'mirror' view regarding the Democratic desire to SAVE an accused perjurer who has abused his power and his office 'turned' on every word. It is truly a pity that the American system is missing its most crucial link; an educated electorate. An EE would have prevented our system from degenerating to what we are currently faced today -- both within the problems of this nation (real and perceived) AND within the leadership ranks (both wings of the statist party -- Ds and Rs). I ponder the inevitable fertilization of the tree of Liberty, but am resigned to the general fear of freedom expressed by most. Regard$, --MJ The important thing is to stop lying to yourself. A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize the truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself as well as for others. When he has no respect for anyone, he can no longer love and, in order to divert himself, having no love in him, he yields to his impulses, indulges in the lowest forms of pleasure, and behaves in the end like an animal, in satisfying his vices. And it all comes from lying -- lying to others and to yourself. -- Feodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky 1880 _The Brothers Karamazov_ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Hillary's got my vote!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 6:55:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you really think she's unaware, let alone wasn't responsible for, many (if not all) of the things that have gone on during her husband's tenure? Yeah, she's responsible for all of it. For everyone's sake, seek help. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A kinder, gentler lynch mob - Part I
-Caveat Lector- I like the writing style of this article (at least at the beginning). I disagree with the content. The author has indeed reverted back to his original position that Republicans are Bad, Bad, Bad and Democrats are merely the victim of their cunning abuse of power and viciousness. Please. Clinton got caught with his pants down - quite literally. The Presidency of the United States is THE most powerful "official" position on this planet. The standards of conduct must be held high as the ramifications of indiscretions, even in his personal life, affect countless of millions of lives - not to mention millions of dollars unraveling these antics. There are expected behaviors for all the roles we each have in our lives. Only having sexual relations (as previously understood and not taking into account Clinton's new definition) with one's spouse is an expected behavior of marriage. If this restriction of behavior is unacceptable. Don't get married. On the same note, lying to the people he administers is unacceptable. If Clinton can not abide by this very simple rule of conduct then he needs to step down. Both the Democrats and the Republicans will sling mud to their advantage to garner more seats and consequently more sway in the House and Senate. That's the game. To imply that only the Republicans are playing this game is ridiculous. Btw: I am not a Republican and I am seriously reconsidering my designated "label" of Democrat. And NO, I did not vote for Clinton. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas -Original Message- From: Gerald Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 8:08 AM Subject: [CTRL] A kinder, gentler lynch mob - Part I -Caveat Lector- A kinder, gentler lynch mob Salon, 12/15/98 THE 'PEACHY-KEEN GOP HAS SHOWN ITS TRUE COLORS -- AND THEY CONFIRM THE MOST BRAIN-DEAD RADICAL STEREOTYPES FROM THE '60S. BY GARY KAMIYA I grew up believing that Republicans were the incarnation of all evil. This was a harsh and unsophisticated judgment, but the political discourse of 1960s Berkeley, where I grew up, lacked a certain refinement. In fact, to be honest, it was pretty much taken straight from Saturday morning cartoons. In our righteous view, "the people," whoever they were, were always being "oppressed" by The Man, a bloated GOP plutocrat mouthing pious moral maxims. It went without saying that Republicans were self-righteous, mean-spirited rich white men who secretly napalmed Cambodian villages, turned loose the dogs against civil rights marchers and dug the Carpenters. They were Bad, and if we could somehow get rid of them -- meanwhile taking lots of acid and listening to Hendrix -- Good Things would happen. Later, like many of my co-religionists, I became embarrassed by these sentiments. Such crude beliefs were unseemly. Sophistication demanded a more nuanced view. Republicans, I now realized, could be decent men and women who were just parroting the country-club line. Even the Reagan Age -- that endless period I as a Californian was forced to spend under the Great Communicator's genially callous thumb, while the Woolly Mammoths died out and Ice Ages came and went across the globe -- couldn't make me return to the wooden Stalinist sloganeering of my youth. I even reevaluated the Carpenters. And then came the Starr referral and Henry Hyde and the House Judiciary Committee vote, and I realized I had gotten it right the first time. When the Republicans in the full House vote to remove President Clinton from office, as they will almost certainly do, they will prove that those brain- dead radical stereotypes about them really do apply. They will be revealed as mean-spirited, partisan hacks, hypocrites, moral absolutists hiding their craven desire for vengeance and power beneath a ridiculously transparent façade of pious "deliberation" and "respect for law." The GOP will stand exposed before all of America as the party of vicious, petty ideologues who, in their outrageous desire to undo the results of two lawful elections, seized upon a grotesquely acquired legalistic evasion that falls so far short of meeting the constitutional standard of high crimes and misdemeanors as to be laughable. Or, let's give them the benefit of the doubt, as the ever-generous New York Times did in a recent editorial. Let's assume that some of them are actually sincere in their belief that lying about sex -- in an obvious vendetta case brought by a biased and obsessed "independent" counsel who,
[CTRL] Hate Speech and Canada
-Caveat Lector- If Clinton's grades were so good - why did he have to flee the Draft to Canada? If he was in school they would not have touched him, if he was out the would have make him a Officer stateside lawyer and that would have looked good on his political resume. Why did he run? Does he happen to own land in Canada? What would happen to Canada and Siberia if global warming continues? The new bread baskets of the world. Take your hate speech policys and your propoganda off the list and stop trying to push it on us. Who would come in and help once FEMA was inacted and the military incapacitated by a "bad" batch of immunizations? These are legitamite questions and the people that are trying to continually drag up the Holocaust in the way that they have (Harp and Duck) should have some thing done to them. Just impeach Clinton? Oh, yes then we get Dole or Bush. Between the Devils and the deep blue sea - Run in circles, scream and shout. Just my thoughts - Comments? Laura aka The Pied Piper -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Benedict Arnold
-Caveat Lector- turn down the tv and the stereo, you must have an incredibly high tolerance for noise. at this rate you will be deaf by the time you are 21. take care of yourself and for god's sake, turn it down. your ideas support criminals and drug dealers and those who profit from the death of many. don't you care that you are setting yourself up as a first class chump for them. don't be a schuuck and get your own life, they don't care if you live or die; no matter what they tell you. do you understand this; if so signify by using handspeak of the deaf. [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: How many people know that Arnold was a great American hero? It seems he couldn't control his and that is what got him in trouble ... a woman who happen to have British connections. People talk a lot of patriot talk but of those of you who love your wives, how many love your country more than you love your wife? If a man will betray his own wife, what would keep him from betraying his country? Ask the guy who gave our missile secrets to the Chinese. Several months after Clinton signed the Brady bill to get evil guns off the streets, how many people know that Clinton made a deal with the Chinese and they sent plane loads of guns to the airport in Newark Ohio? Did you know that the guy who did the chinese bribe thingy could have gotten 37 years in prison, but instead he got 5 years probation? Clinton will betray his country for political bribes and he will betray his own wife for beautiful women... No, this slime ball will betray his own wife for women who have to sneak up on a glass of water. It is past time for congress to remove the bad marks from Benedict Arnold's records and correct all history books, for Benedict Arnold was a better man than Bill Clinton. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Just curious
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I didn't think this was about finding an improvement, I thought it was about removing a criminals from the office of the president. *there are more innocent people in jail thasn there are guilty ones walking around free and these are the same people that want to impeach.* One need not be tried and convicted to be a criminal, thousands of robbers and murders have gotten away with out a trial, but that does not remove the fact that they are robbers and murders. *or that the ones doing the impeaching are bigger criminals than clinton.* A criminals (by any label) is one who transgress the laws on the books. If Clinton has done the same things others have been convicted as a criminals for, then Clinton is a criminal. The fact that high party mob bosses will not be tried for their criminals acts, does not change the fact that they are criminals. *i reiterate; turn that tv down or you will go deaf before you are 21.* When any politician does the very same things others are convicted as felons for, that politician is a felon. No felon/criminals politician who does the same things others are sent to prison for, is fit for office. Powerful criminals holding office? Yes, the party mob families are in control of the government of America. *and that is the whole problem, noisinator. it is these criminals who are giving up clinton for impeachment, as a sacrafical lamb to take the heat off from themselves. i say impeach the system, not the petty criminal they tell us to sacrafice. you can't find your way out from their agenda. get over it. sirhC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pres to be
-Caveat Lector- Hey all, My fuzzy memory is at play again. Does anyone remember a Presidential candidate from the Natural Law Party (?) whose last name begins with an "H" and who is headquarted in a northwestern state? Pretty hazy, aye? Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Koreans Clone Human
-Caveat Lector- How soon before Cloned Clintons are acknowledged? Sherman Skolnick had claimed, as I recall, that there is a Clinton clone already. (I'll look for the exact story.) Wednesday December 16 10:45 AM ET Korea Team Says Human Clone Test Succeeds SEOUL (Reuters) - A South Korean medical research team said Wednesday it has succeeded in cultivating a human embryo using human cells in one of the first cloning experiments of its kind. Researchers at the infertility clinic of Kyunghee University Hospital in Seoul said they had cultivated a human embryo in its early stages using an unfertilized egg and a somatic cell -- those that make up most of the body -- donated by a woman in her 30s. Lee Bo-yon, a researcher with the hospital's infertility clinic, said the human embryo in the Kyunghee University experiment was last seen dividing into four cells before the operation was aborted. ``If implanted into a uterine wall of a carrier, we can assume that a human child would be formed and that it would have the same gene characteristics as that of the donor,'' Lee told Reuters. Lee said the research team would not attempt to take the cloning experiment further until there was a social, legal and moral consensus to support it. Lee said the experiment was, to his knowledge, one of the first to use only human cells in a cloning experiment. ``To our knowledge the Roslin Institute has already succeeded in this experiment, making us the second,'' Lee said, but added that he had not been able to confirm that himself. Lee said the experiment he conducted with his supervisor, Kim Sung-bo, used the same technique as that of Teruhiko Wakayama of the University of Hawaii, which was conducted with mice. In July, Wakayama and his supervisor, Ryuzo Yanagimachi, said they had produced 50 cloned mice from several different adults. The so-called Honolulu Technique is different from the technology used to create the now famous Dolly in 1996. Dolly's makers at Scotland's Roslin Institute used an electric current to fuse a cell from a sheep's mammary gland with the egg from another sheep that had the nucleus removed. The Hawaiian researchers said they scraped the DNA material out of the nucleus from a mouse egg and injected the nucleus of another mouse into it. They then ``chemically activated,'' or tricked the egg, into acting like a newly fertilized egg and start growing. The embryo was transferred into a surrogate mother, who gave birth to what the researchers believed were cloned mice. They then cloned the clone, and cloned that clone, essentially making one mouse both grandmother and the identical twin of the other. South Korea, like other countries, is grappling with the issue. An official in the science ministry's research and development department said the ministry was waiting for the National Assembly to pass legislation on human cloning. Some Korean lawmakers have said they would support limiting the research and development budgets of state-supported researchers if they continued cloning experiments. _ _ ___ Tue Dec 15 | Mon Dec 14 | Fri Dec 11 | Thu Dec 10 | Wed Dec 09 Index | Top Stories | Business | Tech | Politics | World | Local | Entertainment | Sports | Science | Health _ Questions or Comments Copyright © 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sherman Skolnick: Clinton Has Been Cloned
-Caveat Lector-
Earlier story below, circa summer 1998, claims there's
a Clinton clone.
Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 11 Num. 90
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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THE ALLEGED CLINTON and THE KGB FILE
By Sherman H. Skolnick
Chairman, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts
(Office: 773-375-5741; Recorded message: 773-731-1100)
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Long whispered about, a file now has surfaced from the KGB, the
secret police of the former Soviet Union. Several commentators
have the file and are silent cowards. Some declare the death of
network broadcaster Brit Hume's son [1] is linked to this. Was
it murder or suicide?
The KGB file shows that the person identified as or calling
himself William Jefferson Clinton has an exact double, except for
a few details such as a recently removed mole and distinctive
private parts. Hey: Do Paula Corbin Jones and Monica Lewinsky
know the truth?
For some 70 years, Russian scientists have perfected ways to
create doubles. Mass media items about animal clones may be the
way the press fakers skirt around the truth. And who publicly
condemned the idea of manufacturing humans? Why, the alleged
Clinton. (Which "Clinton" made the public statement?)
Reporters traveling with the alleged Clinton talk among
themselves about the double or clone. Which is which? Is there
a "real" William Jefferson Clinton? Talkative reporters,
however, can lose their Secret Service press credentials.
Knowing about this was the Secret Service's top expert on
physical surveillance of the President. That specialist was
murdered with other presidential personnel through a sabotaged
plane crash, August, 1996, near Jackson Hole, Wyoming. A
projectile hit the plane, say military witnesses. (The alleged
Clinton had left, earlier, by helicopter, to go to his birthday
party.)
The KGB file details the relationship of the alleged Clinton --
actually the alleged CLINTONS, plural -- with the Czechoslovak
Communist Party Chief's son in Prague and at Oxford. The KGB
threw junior off a roof to his death (the file gives the grisly
details) because he discovered about the clone.
The file, step by step, gives the chronology of how the alleged
Clinton was groomed from an early age by both the CIA and the
KGB. Useful was his split personality syndrome which often makes
"Clinton" forget who he is and makes him not know murder from
love. With young "Clinton" supposedly under =his= wing, the CIA
Station Chief in London went along, hoping to unravel KGB
methods, the file asserts. The alleged Clinton was tracked as he
attended anti-war rallies in Europe -- set up by the American CIA
but actually by KGB. Sort of a series of Chinese trick boxes.
The CIA knew, the file shows, that the KGB paid for young
Clinton's trip to Moscow and his stay at an expensive hotel
there. To confuse matters, Clinton's pal Strobe Talbot was
described as a "Marxist," to divert attention. To nail down his
credibility with CIA, while KGB actually controlled the
situation, the Soviets gave the alleged Clinton a secret
transcript of Krushchev condemning Stalinists, the file shows.
Numerous dates, amounts, and details, show the KGB was keeping
track of the alleged Clinton's pal, Vincent W. Foster, Jr., and
his acts as a super courier of illicit funds and money laundry
operator, traveling great distances, including to the Soviet
Union, years prior to Foster's short time as a White House deputy
counsel in 1993. (National security is a reason for covering up
the murder of Foster disguised as a suicide -- the CIA-KGB-NSA
overlaps.)
To confirm its authenticity and trip-up spy-watchers, the file
has several Russian language code words.
The file's blackmail possibilities are obvious: the alleged
Clinton is a clone, part of a method perfected by Russian
scientists. The file is loaded with blockbuster revelations, for
example, that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the lone assassin of
President Kennedy. Widely revealing the file details could bring
down the American government.
Later developments confirm all this. Former Director of Central
Intelligence (DCIA) William Colby, early in 1996, joined in a
business venture with the former long-time KGB Chief to market an
electronic game on espionage. It was becoming obvious: Colby
was a KGB mole; his business partner was a CIA mole.
Just as Colby was about to devastate the U.S. government with the
KGB file, he was assassinated, disguised as a boating accident.
So far, FBI counter-intelligence thinks they have restrained the
Russian mafiya, largely now headquartered in Chicago,
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-15 18:21:39 EST, Che writes: I brought up Bu sh Rea gan to emphasize the similarities between the Republocrats Demicans. They all eat from the same dog dish. The purpose is not to distract but to point out that C1inton is part of a continuing pattern of abuse of pres idential power. Can't really argue with that. Che writes: Seems to me that he's somewhere to the right of Nixon. Right...Left... Both Statist for sure, the line between right and left is somewhat unclear to me. I say left because Clinton gave away parks and rivers to the United Nations and I consider them left. He sold/gave missle guidance systems to the Chinese which are Communist, the same for super computers and cryptographic know-how and equipment. Che writes: If you would just turn on your TV on a Sunday morning, or MSNBC just about any time (all Monica...all the time), you might change your tune. The few voices supportive of C1inton will be drowned out by those hurling bile invective at him. All I've heard about is the (all Monica...all the time) which has little to do with the serious crimes (treason) which Clinton is getting away with. Che writes: Did you ever read the "Pressgate" article in the 1st issue of Brill's Content? It was very critical of the trial by press leaks that Ken 5tarr has conducted. In an interview 5tarr virtually admits to the leaks (in violation of Rule 6E), giving the justification that they were necessary to counterspin information from the Wh1te H0use. Brill is also critical of the inability of the press to "bite the hand that feeds it" by questioning the legality of these leaks. He also criticized how the press replaced reportage of facts with speculation and conjecture by so-called "experts". In conclusion, the article is fairly damning of the press for failing to execute their duties as impartial reporters of fact. Even before the article was published, the media attacks began. Brill was painted as a C1inton stooge for a contribution he gave to the '92 campaign (none in '96). I did not see anyone in the mainstream media even address Brill's criticisms - they were too busy slurring him, questioning his accuracy, and deflecting the discussion to unrelated matters. It was all so consistent it seemed orchestrated. Very supportive of the articles you posted on the lack of an independent press. I haven't read the Brill report, but I did read about Starr leaking items to the press. I also read some articles about the White House leaking items to the press to make Starr look bad. Who did what? Probably both are true and as far as I'm concerned if Starr broke the law, then he should also be prosecuted, but I'm not sure that rule 6E is a law or a guide line... at the very least toss him as a special prosecuter and put someone in there that will investigate the more serious crimes... not that to lie under oath is not serious. Che writes: Now, you may see this as just sour grapes on their part, but there's more to it than that. The power elites definitely felt threatened by this article, and trained their media guns on Brill to discredit him. If the media was really "support[ing] C1inton all the time", then they would have fallen all over themselves to dig deeper into the questions Brill raised about 5tarr's office. By no stretch of the imagination can their attacks on Brill be construed as being supportive of C1inton. An important point to remember is that an attack on 5tarr does not necessarily indicate support of C1inton. Some of us who consider C1inton to be guilty of something think that the letter of the law should be followed, and that the O I C represents a threat to what little democracy we have left. The ends DO NOT justify the means. I really need to look close at this Brill report. You are right that the law should be followed in the impeachment proceedings, otherwise it will just be thrown out later on. As for Democracy... we are supposed to be a Republic. At 03:21 PM 12/13/98 -0800, nurev wrote: High crimes, treason, bribery. C1inton has committed all of these. The problem is that the rest of the more powerful politicians have done the same. What you are witnessing is an attempted coup by the right wing. They want to throw C1inton off the apple cart without tipping over the apple cart. Sit back with this in mind and watch how it's done. It's been done before. The 1ran/C0ntra hearings are the blueprint for what happens next. The real crimes will be avoided. The minor issues will be exagerated, and they will get C1inton out or cripple him severely enough to render him useless. UNLESS THINGS GET OUT OF CONTROL IN THE SEN ATE. This is the best we have to hope for as citizens. That they will hate each other enough to do each other real damage in the eyes of the voters, hopefully ending in some seriously needed reforms. This is essentially my take on the situation as well.
