Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: In a message dated 1/4/99 10:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I will tell you one thing I am NEVER going to call the Art Bell show! Because if I do then the whole list will erupt into a flame war like WWIII! Teo1000 And IF you do we're coming to your house and rip your damned phone out!! I'm already expecting the riot police to show up here at any time with their tear gas canisters and rubber bullets, which means that someone is going to get hurt. Then how will you feel, Teo?!! Don't ever, EVER call the Bell show! All the best, Jim as long as we are on the subject; i think that the problems erupted because you did not call the art bell show, so hurry up and call, so we can clear all this up. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Howard: Read this post.///
-Caveat Lector- Howard: All true, but can you imagine wrapping a thesis around any of these postulations? I'm not long out of college, so the very idea makes me cringe! Edward It seems to me that the greatest con of all times has got to be the fractional reserve system of banking and its evil off-springs: central banking and the IMF. This has caused and continues to cause more hard ship then any other con that I can think of. Through this scheme vast amounts of money have been transferred and continue to be transferred from producers to parasites. []===[] "Go for goats, Bill. They don't talk." Yasser Arafat http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet. Subscribe to Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 []===[] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 10:23:03 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip This is the total corruption of journalism and does not relate to "news." It is the very core of character assassination--whether it has to do with Richard Jewel or Bill Clinton or whoever. And this group is suspect for being titillated by this kind of garbage. Let Drudge wait until the DNA test comes through. Only then is there a story.or no story at all. SnoOwl, I agree with your thought, unfortunatly that is the way the media has worked since the founding of the country. You may recall the one President in the 1800s (Warren Harding?) who had an son out of wed lock. The newspapers and political oposition hounded the President who was up for reelection as I recall from my history with a number of things any of which was equivilant to the current political climate. One of the more humorous was the newspaper cartoons which showed a boy chanting: "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa? After the President won reelection, it was leaked out from the White House "He went to the White House Ha, Ha, Ha. Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victi
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Ladies and gentleman I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? Thanks for your times and considerations. how about the buying (ultimately) of this whole country for a few beads and trinkets. spare me the stupid indian posts. juda's betrayal of jesus is up there in religious terms but i think that j. would agree that his one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed and self-interest. the gop is right up there. for those of you restless spirits who would disagree; this is not a poll of your opinion of my opinion, so keep yours to yourselves, as this is only in response to the question. thank you chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Chinese Expect Interesting Times
-Caveat Lector- 1999 to be an "interesting" year for China. Chinese Warlords anticipate the economic slowdown will get drastically worse. Already millions of recent unemployed and millions of poor angry farmers. flw South China Morning Post Tuesday January 5 1999 Big push to avoid unrest in 'key' year WILLY WO-LAP LAM Beijing is poised to hire up to 150,000 more paramilitary People's Armed Police officers to maintain order throughout 1999, deemed by some cadres as a make-or-break year for the Communist Party. A security source in Beijing said that in internal meetings, President Jiang Zemin and his colleagues had given more details on how to prevent unrest and promote stability. Mr Jiang was issuing his instructions in his capacity as head of the new Temporary Leading Group on Rectifying National Affairs. Mr Jiang said: "The party's political fortune in the 21st century may well depend on whether we can maintain stability in 1999". Most of the extra paramilitary officers would be recruited from demobilised soldiers from the regular army. Apart from pro-democracy activists, the leading group had identified three groups of "dangerous people", the source said. They were underground religious groups, illegal, wildcat trade unions and "social volunteers". The last group, deemed "destabilising" by Mr Jiang, were considered troublemakers who posed as volunteers. They were active in areas such as fighting for workers' and consumers' rights and environmental causes. Mr Jiang and other leading group members had urged that maximum attention be paid to preventing activists from forming national networks. Instructions have been given to the police, the Ministry of State Security and other relevant organs to detain dangerous elements "in good time" and to speed up the judicial procedures for their subsequent imprisonment. For example, dissidents who might stage demonstrations close to the 10th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square crackdown in June could be locked up well beforehand. Meanwhile, diplomatic sources have identified the other members of the leading group, which is empowered to use resources under the party, Government or army. It comprises: alternate member of the politburo Zeng Qinghong ; Minister of State Security Xu Yongyue ; Procurator-General Han Zhubin ; and Mr Jiang's adviser on ideology and propaganda Xing Bensi . Other experts sitting in on the meetings include scholars from the Chinese Academy of Science and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Howard: Read this post.///
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howard: All true, but can you imagine wrapping a thesis around any of these postulations? I'm not long out of college, so the very idea makes me cringe! Edward It seems to me that the greatest con of all times has got to be the fractional reserve system of banking and its evil off-springs: central banking and the IMF. This has caused and continues to cause more hard ship then any other con that I can think of. Through this scheme vast amounts of money have been transferred and continue to be transferred from producers to parasites. Oh, I forgot. Some people try to graduate from college. Its been so long, I forgot. In fact, I guess I really didn't understand the concept when I was going to college. I thought you were supposed to be there to learn. My major was musical composition. My senior year I tried to get an orchestra composition I had written performed called "Pilgrims Progress". It was a piece which illustrated in sound the movement of humanity towards freedom. You can imagine how that set with my homosexual, athiest, marxist composition teacher. He said: "your music will be performed over my dead body". Fortunately, I was able to restrain myself. I left school without the piece being performed and without a degree, but in less then a year it was performed before 4,000 people by a professional orchestra and I recieved a standing ovation. Not long afterwards I recieved a letter from the school saying that I would be graduated at the end of the month. The degree hasn't done me nearly the good that the experience did. Even if I had never gotten a degree, I would be glad I chose the path I did. You can bet if I were in school and had to do that thesis I'd be using fractional reserve banking as my example! best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response to Gates - WARNING!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 12:22:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: header snip *Please see my responses to Gates e-mail. I am wondering if he is related to the famous Daryl Gates - ex-LAPD chief. Not to my knowledge snip *Lt. Manny Garza refused to give me a form to fill out. If when I go to court on January 25th, the charge of NOT having produced a valid I.D. upon request - and yes, that was the one and only charge, I will not pursue the matter. It sounds like their is an actual local ordinance put in by the local city council, or something in the Calif code, which would have been passed by the state legislature) on this not carrying an ID. Most people probably may not realize they are violating some code/ordinance especially in California where I understand it is volumes (thousands of pages of fine print) thick. The reality check is the courts have essentially said that ignorance is no excuse for violating the law. Kind of like traveling down a road that had been posted 75 mph, and the state or local people lowered the posted speed limit to 55. The cops will still write the ticket. snip *You mean that the Campus Police officer and Lt. Manny Garza were just trying to "scare" me? That they have no intention of forwarding the "F1" card? What the hell is an "F1" card anyway? Personally I have never heard of an F1 card. Ask, and when you find out, let us know. Perhaps you should file a FOIA request and get a copy of any files FBI, or DOJ may or may not be keeping on you. That way you can see if a file was generated on you. *You know I am an advocate for TIs (and a targeted individual of electronic harassment). This is always in the back of my mind with a simple situation can escalate so easily. And, when it blows, it just blows. There seems to be nothing that I can do about it. You can still file a FOIA request with FBI and DOJ and see if in fact they have a file on you. You can generally view all the contents of your FBI files, with names and addresses being deleted for privacy reasons. Should the FBI have some kind of "National Security" issue with a file, you can also see that by seeing deleted pages and such. snip snip * 21456b VC - AUTH VC 40302a VC (California) It is claimed by both the officer and Lt. Manny Garza that I was cited for having no I.D. - period. This is because I was arrested and put into a cell. They needed to justify the reason for the "blotter." If you weren't carrying an ID, and the law requires people in Calif to carry on ID, then you justified yourself. snip *Let's see what happens at the West Los Angeles Court at 1645 W. Cornith, West Los Angeles on January 25th. If Lt. Manny Garza is willing to own up to the mistake his department made or not. However, I learned that there is a system for reporting citizens who do not travel with their "papers." This system which you recently discovered due to your own ill luck may have been in place for 35 years. It would be curious to see when the law was put into effect. Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Howard: Read this post.///
-Caveat Lector- Howard: Touche' oh windmill tilting one! But yours would seem to be an argument for my point in the long run. Two things must be accomplished through higher education: learning foremost and graduation second. Some do not have your demonstrated--and admirable--fortitude when it comes to bucking the system. BTW, if your piece, "Pilgrim's Progress" is the same one I'm thinknig about, you are a genius!! Respectfully, Edward Oh, I forgot. Some people try to graduate from college. Its been so long, I forgot. In fact, I guess I really didn't understand the concept when I was going to college. I thought you were supposed to be there to learn. My major was musical composition. My senior year I tried to get an orchestra composition I had written performed called "Pilgrims Progress". It was a piece which illustrated in sound the movement of humanity towards freedom. You can imagine how that set with my homosexual, athiest, marxist composition teacher. He said: "your music will be performed over my dead body". []===[] "Go for goats, Bill. They don't talk." Yasser Arafat http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet. Subscribe to Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 []===[] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may recall the one President in the 1800s (Warren Harding?) who had an son out of wed lock. The newspapers and political oposition hounded the President who was up for reelection as I recall from my history with a number of things any of which was equivilant to the current political climate. One of the more humorous was the newspaper cartoons which showed a boy chanting: "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa? After the President won reelection, it was leaked out from the White House "He went to the White House Ha, Ha, Ha. Warren Harding does not fit with the rest of the story, though it was claimed that he had a child out of wedlock. Harding was president in 1921-3 and died in office. I consider him one of the best presidents of the 20th century. The president you seem to be referring to was Grover Cleveland 1885-1889 and 1893-1897. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Howard: Read this post.///
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howard: Touche' oh windmill tilting one! But yours would seem to be an argument for my point in the long run. Two things must be accomplished through higher education: learning foremost and graduation second. Some do not have your demonstrated--and admirable--fortitude when it comes to bucking the system. *** You're right about that, I guess. I never set out to be a rebel. I really just wanted to get along. But, I am sorry to say, there is only so far I can bend. BTW, if your piece, "Pilgrim's Progress" is the same one I'm thinknig about, you are a genius!! I wish that were true. I doubt that you have heard it unless you live or lived in Atlanta. It was performed at the Fox Theater at a "Star Wars" concert in 1978 and again at Georgia State University in 1983. It was played on the radio a couple times in Atlanta. Those are the only performances I know of. However, I did send a copy of the score and all parts to the St.Petersburg Symphony (Russia) and never heard from them. It could be floating around and I have never heard about it. Wouldn't that be wild. Where did you hear "Pilgrim's Progress"? It may be Ralph Vaughn Williams'. He wrote an opera based on the story in the thirties. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless victi
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: but i think that j. would agree that his one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed and self-interest. the gop is right up there. for those of you restless spirits who would disagree; this is not a poll of your opinion of my opinion, so keep yours to yourselves, as this is only in response to the question. Thank you, but I choose to express my opinion, regardless of your approval or disapproval. To your list that includes "capitalism," you might also add, "communism, socialism, facism, witchcraft, imperialism, sickness, disease, famine, and pestilence." Compared to any of those, "capitalism" pales in significance. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
Curious, Environmental groups do not say that you have to quit eating meat. Think of Coustou. All they say is that we should take care of our food supply. They do not say that you can not train and ride a horse or train and show or shoot over a dog. They do think that you should do it without starving a animal. Compare the life of a show horse or a show dog OR heaven forbid even a chinchilla that was bred for it's fur. Let's take the horse or dog first well fed, well groomed, cared for in many ways. Overall on average they are taken care of much better that the normal family dog. Granted there is the risk of injury, that is true in human athletes as well. The other thing that I have heard of, at times is a great accumulation of animals (puppy mill), these are taken out - how many family pets have had puppies and those puppies dropped off at the human society or worse at the side of the road - these are not heard of as the animals slowly starve or join into packs and hunt through the city or country until they have to be killed. The show animal - worth a lot. The family dog many times ends up at the pound when they are no longer cute babies or when the family can not keep them due to economics or moving. The chinchilla and along with it chickens and any other animal bred for use are covered in the next section. Why would people want to protest the use these animals are put to? The farmer, the (previous) chinchilla breeder, the horse breeder, the dog breeder, the person showing in 4H and anyone else that looks for health will see things happening in animals faster than humans. Getting people mad at ecologists - so does the farmer notice the fact that there does not seem to be the diversity of animals (pests) around the farm, do people notice that there are less road kills, does the homeowner notice that there seems to be fewer songbirds. Not until the pesticides, herbicides and the other chemicals start effecting the people that use them, or pay for others to use these pesticides or herbicides (on their land) and then have a reaction. Male fish are producing eggs in their testes in the UK, the reptiles in the everglades have smaller male genitalia and there is a lot of mutations in the frogs that do manage to make it past the tadpole stage. (SPECULATION) What do (some of) the (human) males that know about this do? They eat well, stay away from these chemicals (as much as possible) and see if they can get some female pregnant to see if they have sperm or eggs in their testes and fuss if she gets a abortion before they can be sure that they will actually have a viable child. One last thing. Do you know what a set of ovaries look like that have just released a egg? The egg actually bursts out of the ovary and leaves a place which will scar in it's wake. Food for thought. That egg is much larger than a sperm. So which of you out there are already producing eggs in your testes? What would happen if a egg were to try to get out of a testes? Or maybe you have other things that are happening to your bodies? So why get rid of the American Farmer that keeps animals for food and try to only have mass produced, assembly line chickens, pigs, cattle and dairy herds? Because the American Farmer just might wake up and start saying something! Good Day To All, Laura AKA The Pied Piper http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store.(anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com Get links to over 30 sites on aspartameVISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs CasesVISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business!
Re: [CTRL] Still Unsolved: The Brown/Goldman Murders
-Caveat Lector- I have just finished reading the book; "Killing Time", about this very case. The information within it causes me to look with much doubt upon the idea that OJ committed the murders. Interestingly it does cause me to believe that he knows a lot more about who did it and why, but is not saying anything for some reason, probably fear. I think the evidence points to DRUGS, and both Nicole and Ron were involved. The MAFIA is probably present in some form, and where they are the INTELLIGENCE SERVICES are not far behind. In my mind there is a LOT MORE to this whole issue than we are being asked to believe. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 10:54:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, Teo, why'd you call that damn Art Bell show? kt 'Cause I knew it would cause so much disruption around here!!! WOW! Seriously it was NOT me calling Art Bell, but I am still waiting for someone to tell me what was discussed and why they thought it was me who was calling. Teo1000 FRUSTRATED DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rachel's Enviroment Health WEEKLY #631
===Electronic Edition . RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT HEALTH WEEKLY #631 . ---December 31, 1998--- . HEADLINES: . CHANGES THAT HURT . == . Environmental Research Foundation . P.O. Box 5036, Annapolis, MD 21403 . Fax (410) 263-8944; E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . == . Back issues available by E-mail; to get instructions, send . E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the single word HELP . in the message; back issues also available from . http://www.rachel.org . To start your free subscriprion, . send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words . SUBSCRIBE RACHEL-WEEKLY YOUR NAME in the message. .=CHANGES THAT HURTPoliticians in Washington say the economy did well in 1998,citing such facts as these:** The stock market continues to return phenomenal profits toinvestors. As 1998 came to a close, the SP 500 (an average of500 large firms) had returned an average of 29% per year toinvestors for the fourth year in a row.[1]** Executive salaries have never been higher. The NEW YORK TIMESreported recently that Michael Eisner, chairman of the WaltDisney Company, was paid $471.5 million for his work in 1998;Sanford Weill, chairman of Citigroup, received $227.3 millionfor his year's effort; Eugene Isenberg, chairman of NaborsIndustries, received a paycheck of $209.7 million in 1998;Eckhard Peiffer, chairman of Compaq Computer, was paid $192.5million in 1998; Mark Ruben, chairman of Colgate-Palmolivereceived $170.6 million; Eli Broad, chairman of Sun America,$149.8 million; Charles Heimbold, chairman of Bristol-MyersSquibb, $146.6 million; General Electric's chairman, John Welch,made do with $138.6 million in 1998. For his efforts (notablyunsuccessful) to expand the sale of sugar water worldwide,Summerfield Johnston, Jr., chairman of Coca Cola, received$132.4 million in 1998... so life is good in the executivesuites.[2]For real people doing real work, on the other hand, thesituation in 1998 was somewhat different, according to the NEWYORK TIMES:[3]** Despite strong hiring since 1993 and record-setting lowunemployment rates, the number of Americans living in poverty isnow just where it was in 1990. People have jobs, but many ofthose jobs pay poverty wages.** The middle class has not gained either. Despite a steadyexpansion of the economy for 8 years, says the TIMES, Whilewealthier families enjoyed big gains, particularly from thebooming stock market, most households find that their incomes,adjusted for inflation, are no higher today than they were in1989, when the last expansion ended. Americans, for the mostpart, have been running in place for 25 years, says the TIMES.** As the Federal budget deficit has turned into a surplus,private indebtedness, particularly for consumers, has risen torecord levels, giving the economy the sort of boost thatGovernment deficits did in the 1980's.But that debt accumulation has come at a cost, says the TIMES.By one estimate, 5 percent of all the nation's households havefiled for bankruptcy protection [during] the last five years.** In 1990, 16.1% of the non-elderly lacked health insurancecoverage. Today the figure has risen to 18.3% -- a 14% increasein the medically uninsured in the past 8 years.** After adjusting for inflation, the median family income (halfearn more, half earn less) was $37,005 in 1997, just about whereit was in 1989, and only $1260 higher than it was in 1973. Inother words, purchasing power grew 0.14% per year, 1973-1997.The NEW YORK TIMES says, Many households in the 1960's addedmore to their incomes in a single year than their counterpartstoday have added in 25 years. And they did it with one wageearner, not two or three, working fewer hours than the averagejobholder does today. Such changes hurt. Even in good times, thelong working hours strain family life.[3]Even conservative, market-oriented economists are now sayingthat the performance of the '90s economy demonstrates thatgovernment action is needed to alleviate poverty and inequality.Robert Lucas, the Nobel prize winning economist at theUniversity of Chicago, told the TIMES, We are living through aperiod of sustained economic growth without inflation, and theunemployment rate has come down to levels I never thought Iwould see again in the United States. But there are obviouslyplenty of problems. Poverty and income inequality are two. Theseare problems that cannot be addressed by the markets. They haveto be addressed by specific government programs offeringspecific solutions, Lucas said.Unfortunately the so-called conservatives (of both parties)who control this Congress have their minds elsewhere.A VAST DELUSION OF DENIALThe National Cancer Institute (NCI) announced in March[4] thatthe incidence of cancer (all types combined) decreased duringthe period 1990-1997 at an annual rate of 0.7%. The cancer
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Xtians and Khazars.]
-Caveat Lector- So what? If they keep Torah, whether Jews by heritage or conversion, then they have become children of Abraham. If, in addition, they come to embrace Yeshua HaMoshiach (Jesus the Messiah) as Messiah God, as more and more Jews are doing, then they have become completed Jews. And Christians who take the trouble to study and understand Torah enough to incorporate it into their lives have become *firmly* grafted into the vine. Yeshua / Jesus said He came to fulfill (satisfy) the Law, not destroy it. He repealed none of God's Law. Human embellishments and detail in carrying out God's Law may be optional in light of modern advances in hygiene, sanitation and health, but God's Law remains perfect and unchanged. And is *not* optional! IMHO DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE CURRENT UNPLEASANTNESS
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:37:52 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] THE CURRENT UNPLEASANTNESS [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The Progressive Review [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 6:53 PM Subject: UNDERNEWS Jan 4 UNDERNEWS The Progressive Review On-Line Report From Washington's Most Unofficial Source January 4, 1998 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Editor: Sam Smith Fax: 202-234-6222 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Progressive Review On-Line can be found at: http://prorev.com with over 100 articles and archives. For a free trial subscription to our hard copy edition and e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code(Sorry, foreign addresses will receive e-mail edition only). To unsubscribe, send message with the word 'unsubscribe.' Copyright 1998, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided you pay TPR your normal reprint fees, if any, and give proper credit. Because of its volume, we can't answer all the mail we get but post some of the most interesting comments at http://dejanews.com/~prorev. You can post comments directly here as well by signing up as a forum member. = THE CURRENT UNPLEASANTNESS DEADBEAT DAD? Is Bill Clinton a deadbeat dad? The question has arisen again because of the availability (thanks to the Starr report) of stats on the First Molecule. The issue was first raised during the 1992 New Hampshire primary in an article in the Globe, but was quickly buried by the rest of the media even though the woman involved had passed a lie detector test. The story was that Clinton had a child by an Arkansas prostitute with whom he had engaged in both group and more intimate sex. The campaign staff refused to comment on the matter and advance folk literally ran ahead of Hillary Clinton removing all copies of the paper that might fall into her field of vision. (One of those who would have been expected to know about the story was Newsweek's Joe Klein, but he denies having heard about it or using it as the inspiration for the plot of "Primary Colors.") The story lay fairly dormant until the matter of the blue dress arose, with its subsequent examination for DNA residue. Now purported son Danny Williams has taken a DNA test at the urging of the Star's Richard Gooding, the same reporter who uncovered Dick Morris' interesting relationship with a prostitute and her feet. The results will soon be known. This has been reported by the Star, Matt Drudge, the New York Post, and even the BBC (which leads with the item at its on-line site) but our leading news nannies, the New York Times and Washington Post, are still keeping the matter from their readers. RAPE STORY: In the establishment media, at least, the lid is also still on evidence concerning an alleged rape by Clinton in 1978 -- contained in the censored portion of the Starr report -- that continues to play a big role in the behind-the-scenes struggle over how the Senate will respond to impeachment. Journalists know about the situation, know it affected the House vote on impeachment, yet won't let readers and viewers in on the secret. As a result they prattle on about constitutional issues that are of tertiary concern to the real politics of the situation. The true struggle is not over constitutional principles but over exactly how much of Clinton's past is going to be exposed to public view. For example, Henry Hyde reportedly would like to call as witnesses five Jane Does who signed false affidavits in the Jones case. The Clintonistas desperately want to avoid this. MORE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE? If there is a Senate trial, among the witnesses should be those shamuses who have fanned out around the country trying to find dirt on Republican legislators, such as the ones reported rummaging around in Trent Lott's home town. There is at least circumstantial evidence that Clinton's obstruction of justice continues right to the present as the White House pursues its scorched earth policy. THE BUSH QUESTION: One ex-president has been unusually quiet during this time of national trouble. Initially, we wrote off Big George's behavior as that of a thoughtful dad, since the last thing little George needed was pops popping off with another misplaced sound bite. But several things hint that more may be afoot. For example: why did Clinton release an important portion of the CIA Drugs report right in the middle of his impeachment crisis? Was the CIA report a shot across the bow -- a reminder to Big George of how much the agency and Clinton know about Bush's role in
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Thank you, but I choose to express my opinion, regardless of your approval or disapproval. To your list that includes "capitalism," you might also add, "communism, socialism, facism, witchcraft, imperialism, sickness, disease, famine, and pestilence." Compared to any of those, "capitalism" pales in significance. Hawk don't forget the wild animal attacks, so prevalent in the old testiment. you know what they say about opinions. there must be something to write to this group? smilin' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless vi
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: E Mael wrote: how about the buying (ultimately) of this whole country for a few beads and trinkets. spare me the stupid indian posts. juda's betrayal of jesus is up there in religious terms but i think that j. would agree that his one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed and self-interest. the gop is right up there. My understanding is that during the period before colonization native-americans numbered less then five million in the are we now call the United States. Since that time, the population of this same area has expanded to over 270 million. This expansion was all under a form of capitalism. If so many millions lost their lives because of capitalism and the previous system was preferable in terms of preserving the lives of the inhabitants then it would seem to me that these figures should be reversed. What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? best wishes, Howard Davis a reasonable and thoughtful response. i cannot disagree with you, except to include that it needs to take into account the methods used. it was the lack of ethic on the white man's part that i part with. but then, how could it have ever been anything other than what it was, given the same factors. the crimes still live though, and until we address them; we will, as a nation, continue to stack crime on top of crime until we criminalize ourselves and are forced to. maybe we need to have an armeggeddon. i am beginning to think that social justice is a popular delusion. no rhyme or reason, just force. best, chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- lol E Mael wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: In a message dated 1/4/99 10:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I will tell you one thing I am NEVER going to call the Art Bell show! Because if I do then the whole list will erupt into a flame war like WWIII! Teo1000 And IF you do we're coming to your house and rip your damned phone out!! I'm already expecting the riot police to show up here at any time with their tear gas canisters and rubber bullets, which means that someone is going to get hurt. Then how will you feel, Teo?!! Don't ever, EVER call the Bell show! All the best, Jim as long as we are on the subject; i think that the problems erupted because you did not call the art bell show, so hurry up and call, so we can clear all this up. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA252 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 04:57:34 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 0:09:25 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 20847471 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:09:24 -0500 Received: from sfbayguardian.com ([207.44.198.140]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA27253 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:02:02 -0500 (EST) X-UID: 008666b3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:57:42 -0800 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: E Mael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) Comments: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Taking Communism Seriously
-Caveat Lector- 1-3-1999, you wrote: Nazi's, Socialists, Communists - One and the same Center for the American Founding January 20, 1998 Balint Vazsonyi TAKING COMMUNISM SERIOUSLY By Balint Vazsonyi [First published January 20, 1998 in The Washington Times] The publication in France of "The Black Book of Communism" (reviewed in the Washington Times by Ben and Daniel Wattenberg, January 8) is setting off shock waves in French political circles. But the book's real impact could be in America. At long last, we will have the tools to confront "Communism The Idea." from: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a66914.htm "http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a63342.htm Topic: Communist Conspiracy Teflon Communism --- The Wall Street Journal January 16, 1998 By ANNE APPLEBAUM It began in November, became passionate in December, and trickled out again in January. While it lasted, the debate in Paris about the crimes of communism was as fierce as only a French intellectual debate can be: there were headlines in Le Monde, questions in parliament, and no doubt more than one furious discussion on the Left Bank as well. But now the issues have faded away once again, as they always do. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, this is a debate that has never quite got off the ground -- and it is worth asking why. This time, the argument was set off by a book put together by a collection of respected analysts and historians: Le Livre Noir du Communism (The Black Book of Communism). One wouldn't expect that over 800 pages of history, photographs and statistics would stir political fury and journalistic interest, but this tome was different. While there are histories of communism's toll in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, and in China and Cambodia, this is reportedly the first time that anyone has made a comprehensive study, complete with an estimated body count of 85 to 100 million. Also unusual, the introduction, written by Stephane Courtois of the National Center for Scientific Research in Paris, argues that these deaths deserve the appellation "crimes against humanity" -- the term most closely associated with Nazi genocide. Why the Controversy? Those numbers and that phrase triggered the reactions that took Paris by surprise. Intellectuals, including some of the Black Book's co-authors, objected to the implied comparison of Nazism to communism. Some politicians began to question the presence of the French Communist party in the governing coalition. One parliamentary deputy demanded to know how Prime Minister Lionel Jospin intended to "recognize the crimes of communism" and to "establish the responsibility" of those -- including those in France -- who supported the criminals. Mr. Jospin's response was that he was "proud" of the presence of Communists in his government and shocked by the comparison of communism to Nazism; a group of right-wing deputies marched out of parliament as a result. What seems extraordinary, in retrospect, is not that the French worked themselves up into a lather over a few numbers quoted in a book, but that any aspect of this subject should still be controversial anywhere at all. At the end of the 20th century, it is no longer possible to say of Marxism, as many once did, that "the ideas were right, but the people failed." Whether you think the death toll comes to 100 million or a mere 10 million, whether you count man-made famines as well as mass terror, whether you include Latin American insurgencies or stick simply to Eastern Europe -- in 1998 there really should be no doubt in anybody's mind that the ideas behind Communist regimes were wrong too. In order to understand this, there is no need to compare Communist crimes to Nazi crimes. It is pointless to argue over which philosophy, communism or fascism, is "worse": both are evil, both should be condemned, those who perpetrated either should be punished, those who sympathized with either should be ashamed. Of course, the degree of punishment has not been the same. As Mr. Courtois points out in the introduction, there has been no Nuremberg for criminals who perpetrated terror and murder under Communist regimes. In most of Central and Eastern Europe, Stalinist prosecutors, jailers and torturers are living out a peaceful retirement on government pensions. In Russia, the crimes of the past are rarely discussed in public. In China, the camps and torture continue, if not at the same intensity. While deplorable, and in some cases dangerous to the stability of fragile new democracies, this absence of punishment in the former Communist world can be explained. The transformation of Communist regimes happened gradually; often former Communists remained in power; newly democratic countries found it too difficult to deal with the past when facing immediate economic and political challenges.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: FC: More on AOL silences Irish forum sites
-Caveat Lector- If a group of pedophiles pretended that they were merely interested in discussing human sexuality, but in fact their group sponsored discussions on the best way to seduce children, I wouldn't expect it to last long on AOL. Likewise, we shouldn't expect AOL to tolerate a bunch of people who pretend that they merely want to discuss general political issues relating to Ireland, but in fact are dedicated to promoting terrorist tactics against people whose religion happens to differ from their own. Bull. Remember, this is the company that got into trouble for shutting down the breast cancer survivors chat areas and bulletin boards, since the members couldn't avoid using the word 'breast', which was on AOHell's long list of verboten words and phrases...the recipe exchange forums had a problem discussing dishes containing chicken breasts, too...as did the forums dedicated to prostate cancer, or any forum dedicated to discussing medical issues involving 'those parts' of the body... As someone who was on AOHell a couple of years ago, I know first hand their draconian tactics in trying to surpress free speech, as well as their intimate relationship with various spook agencies...I belonged to a forum dedicated to alternative medicine, discussion was mostly devoted to herbs and vitamins -- but for some reason AOHell's TOS Gods considered us of particular interest, and constantly disrupted the forum, to the point of actually not delivering posts...a group of us got online every Sunday afternoon for a live, PRIVATE chatroom, and yet we were still disrupted...it got to the point that we were able to determine a good number of the 'keywords' which seemed to trigger an automatic capture program, we'd actually joke about it in our Sunday afternoon chat, warn the others that we were about to shut down the system, and then someone would type in one of the keywords -- and sure enough, the system always froze for a good 2 or 3 minutes after one of these words were used... The novelty quickly wore thin, tho, as did AOHell's poor service...within a few months we all jumped ship to find REAL ISP accounts... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tom DeLay
-Caveat Lector- But reports didn't state he even TRIED to get into those rooms, but found them locked...reports had him running directly down the hall and turning the corner -- in the PROPER direction -- to reach Delay's office... On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, A.C. Szul wrote: The offices are usually open, whereas rooms not necessarily so. YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Not according to the schematics of the area which were shown in newpapers and on TV...the gunman had to run around the corner, and yes, to be perfectly honest, DeLay's was the first OFFICE available...but there were a number of other ROOMS the gunman could have chosen along the way...so it does SUGGEST that perhaps he was deliberately choosing a Senator's office... On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, A.C. Szul wrote: Maybe cause his office is closest to the entrance used by the nut Sno0wl wrote: Remember the Capitol shooting just awhile back? That gunman ran into Tom Delay's (sp?) office. At the time, I had never heard of Tom Delay. Well, we have now. Kinda makes you wonder...? June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: FC: More on AOL silences Irish forum sites
-Caveat Lector- This is REALLY interesting and really bloody scary. Since the internet/world wide web is most likely the future of communication and media, and with AOL swallowing Netscape to become a world force, it becomes a large 'WARNING' signpost for the future. Br shiver YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- If a group of pedophiles pretended that they were merely interested in discussing human sexuality, but in fact their group sponsored discussions on the best way to seduce children, I wouldn't expect it to last long on AOL. Likewise, we shouldn't expect AOL to tolerate a bunch of people who pretend that they merely want to discuss general political issues relating to Ireland, but in fact are dedicated to promoting terrorist tactics against people whose religion happens to differ from their own. Bull. Remember, this is the company that got into trouble for shutting down the breast cancer survivors chat areas and bulletin boards, since the members couldn't avoid using the word 'breast', which was on AOHell's long list of verboten words and phrases...the recipe exchange forums had a problem discussing dishes containing chicken breasts, too...as did the forums dedicated to prostate cancer, or any forum dedicated to discussing medical issues involving 'those parts' of the body... As someone who was on AOHell a couple of years ago, I know first hand their draconian tactics in trying to surpress free speech, as well as their intimate relationship with various spook agencies...I belonged to a forum dedicated to alternative medicine, discussion was mostly devoted to herbs and vitamins -- but for some reason AOHell's TOS Gods considered us of particular interest, and constantly disrupted the forum, to the point of actually not delivering posts...a group of us got online every Sunday afternoon for a live, PRIVATE chatroom, and yet we were still disrupted...it got to the point that we were able to determine a good number of the 'keywords' which seemed to trigger an automatic capture program, we'd actually joke about it in our Sunday afternoon chat, warn the others that we were about to shut down the system, and then someone would type in one of the keywords -- and sure enough, the system always froze for a good 2 or 3 minutes after one of these words were used... The novelty quickly wore thin, tho, as did AOHell's poor service...within a few months we all jumped ship to find REAL ISP accounts... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA286 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:19:48 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue,
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Whether Native Americans corraled bison or drove them off cliffs, the FACT of the matter is that at the time the Europeans showed up, bison numbered in the MILLIONS, and their accounts relate migrations where bison herds filled the land from horizon to horizon FOR DAYS... And yet within a few years of the railroad coming thru, the bison had been almost exterminated... So whatever hunting methods Indians used, even if they 'wasted' half a bison when butchering it, the FACT of the matter is that their methods did NOT wipe out the herds, but in fact seem to have made the herds more vigorous...while the European hunting methods did just the opposite... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote: Then I thought of something else... Let's compare the American Bison with the elephant. In Africa, elephants are owned by "the people," which everyone with any sense should know by now, means "the government." There is no private ownership of elephants. Vast resources are spent (read, "taxpayer money") to protect the elephant for extinction due to poachers, disease, and general mis-management of the herds. On the other hand, in Burma, Thailand, and other countries, "people" -- without "the" in front of it -- meaning "individuals" -- own the elephants. The elephants are used as beasts of burden in private enterprise. Maybe because you are talking about two different speciecies of elephant...the Indian elephant is semi-tame and is trainable, while the African elephant -- a totally different species of elephant -- is not, at least not without an extensive amount of time and money to do so, and even then it will not be as tame as it's Indian cousin They are run over with elephants... elephants are thriving and multiplying. Bullshit. The Indian elephant's in trouble due to loss of it's natural habitat... There is no danger of their becoming extinct. Again, bullshit. An elephant is extremely expensive, to buy, to train (takes years), and to house and feed adequately...therefore most areas of the east where the elephant was once used have replaced the elephant with gasoline-driven vehicles to do the same work, as the gas vehicles are ultimately cheaper... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Millennium
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I remember from years ago was it was *possible* that the millenium began in the early 70s, or early 90s...and it was even possible that the millenium actually begins in what we know as the years 2004 or in that area...or 2001 could be the correct date. It's ALL an artificial construct GOD is not operating on the Western calendar...nor on any other calendar developed by man... Whenever 'the millenium' ends or begins is based solely on a subjective decision made by a body of men...doesn't matter a whit about 'corrections', etc. In the west, we've set up an artificial construct where every 1000 years, people 'lose it' and expect the world to end... The problem is (and it doesn't matter whether it's a 'corrected' calendar or not) is that people forget that there was never a year zero, that centuries (and hence, 'millenium') start with a year '1' (or ending in '1'), which means it ends in a year ending in 'zero')... The same argument went on 100 years ago, where those 'in the know' unsuccessfully tried to stop 'Fin de Siecle' parties being held on Dec. 31, 1899, accurately pointing out that the 19th century didn't really end until a year later, and the 20th century start on Jan. 1, 1901 It's a losing argument...now, just like then...so my suggestion is that the party last a year and two days, start on Dec. 31, 1999, and end at midnight on Jan. 1, 2001 ;-) June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with your thought, unfortunatly that is the way the media has worked since the founding of the country. You may recall the one President in the 1800s (Warren Harding?) Harding was elected in 1920, I believe...but your correct in your statement that there was discussion of an illegitimate child...along with a lot of OTHER shenanigans... The 19th century political scene was pretty wild and woolly, makes what we see today look pretty tame... The really bitter battle that took place in the 1800's, which may be the one you're thinking of, involved I believe Tyler (but don't hold me to it, it could have been some other president) who was accused of being married to two women at the same time, with two sets of children... I don't think it was ever proven that the allegations were untrue... cartoons which showed a boy chanting: "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa? After the President won reelection, it was leaked out from the White House "He went to the White House Ha, Ha, Ha. Yeah, that cartoon was drawn regarding the supposedly bigamous president...it was run by the opposition during the reelection campaign, and showed the kid asking "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?" with the answer shown "He's gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha!"... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Howard: atlanta in '78
-Caveat Lector- Howard: I wish that were true. I doubt that you have heard it unless you live or lived in Atlanta. It was performed at the Fox Theater at a "Star Wars" concert in 1978 and again at Georgia State University in 1983. I live(d) in Atlanta, and frequented the Fox in '78 just after having graduated high school (I lived in the Howell House Apts. next door), and just before moving to Tucson to go to college. Repeat: you are a genius. Edward []===[] "Go for goats, Bill. They don't talk." Yasser Arafat http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet. Subscribe to Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 []===[] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- I agree with the statement of the greatest con being the fractional reserve system of banking! And if any of you good people want to help out please go to http://www.norfed.org/. An excellent site and we need all the help we can get. -Original Message- From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims -Caveat Lector- ArijJan Verboon wrote: I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? It seems to me that the greatest con of all times has got to be the fractional reserve system of banking and its evil off-springs: central banking and the IMF. This has caused and continues to cause more hard ship then any other con that I can think of. Through this scheme vast amounts of money have been transferred and continue to be transferred from producers to parasites. Some might argue that an even greater scam is the social security system, but most do not have a great enough understanding of its ramifications to realize the enormity of its harm. As for the most despicable business transaction, it is hard to find anything to compare with government actions as to their ultimate negative effect. However, there are certainly many transactions which have had negative effects throughout history. Many believe that the stock market was purposely crashed in 1929. If this was so, that may be considered the most dispicable transaction. But even there it would have had to be a series of transactions. It is hard to really cause a lot of problems with one transaction, even between major corporations. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Octopus, Inslaw, PROMIS, Systematics and The Tentacles of Corruption - The Links
THE OCTOPUS - THE TENTACLES OF CORRUPTION http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3691e2526c13.htm . Title: The Octopus, Inslaw, PROMIS, Systematics and The Tentacles of Corruption - The Links Topic: White Water The Octopus, Inslaw, PROMIS, Systematics and The Tentacles of Corruption - The Links Various Authors, Publications and MediaJanuary 4, 1999 Various Authors Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.THE OCTOPUS - THE TENTACLES OF CORRUPTION MURDER IN THE MARTINSBURG SHERATON? By Joel Bleifuss For more than a year, Danny Casolaro, a Washington D.C. - based freelance investigator, had been sorting through a web of intrigue--the S & L debacle, BCCI, Iran-Contra, the contra-connected Wackenhut Corp., the Wackenhut-connected Inslaw case, and the Inslaw-connected "October Surprise." According to one of his close friends, who asked not to be named, Casolaro began receiving death threats eight or nine months ago. "Brother, just make it quick," Casolaro is reported to have told one of these midnight callers. The last threat came on Monday, August 5, according to his brother, Anthony. How quick death came we may never know. On Saturday, August 10, Casolaro was found dead in Room 517 of the Martinsburg, W. Va., Sheraton. His body was discovered with 12 incisions in his arms in a bathtub of bloody water 17 hours after he had called his mother's house at 6 p.m. Friday to say he was heading home but that he would not make it to his niece's birthday party. On the following Monday Martinsburg authorities notified the family of Casolaro's death, but by then the body had been embalmed and the motel room had been sanitized by a cleaning contractor. Officials are calling the incident an "unattended death" while they continue their investigation. Family and friends say that suicide is out of the question. They maintain that Casolaro was not a depressive type, and that while he did have financial problems, he did not dwell on them. According to family and friends, before leaving for Martinsburg, Casolaro had been ecstatic. The pieces of the puzzle were finally fitting together. He had told them he was going to West Virginia to meet a source who was to help him nail down a last piece of evidence in his investigation into the Inslaw software-theft case. Those close to Casolaro want many questions answered. Where is his ever-present briefcase? It was not in the motel room. Where is his tape deck? It is missing. Where were his notes and the outline of his proposed book, "Behold a Pale Horse," which he had shown to friends days before his death? The documents were not found in the Sheraton motel room or in the four boxes of his papers that the family turned over to ABC News. Why did authorities wait so long to notify the family of his death? His driver's license said he lived in Falls Church, Va., and all the Casolaros listed in the 703 area code are his relatives. Why was his body embalmed before the family was notified? West Virginia law requires family approval prior to embalming. Who was the man who telephoned Casolaro's house on Saturday evening? When a housekeeper picked up the phone, a voice said, "You're dead, you bastard." MOTIVE FOR MURDER? What was Casolaro investigating that could have put his life in such danger? David MacMichael is a former CIA analyst who now directs the Washington office of the Association of National Security Alumni, a watchdog group. MacMichael had talked to Casolaro on the phone on Thursday, the day he left for Martinsburg. Casolaro had made an appointment to meet with him. Says MacMichael, "providing the death was not a suicide, one can examine three scenarios. First, Casolaro was developing a theory that a group of former intelligence officers were members of a for-profit cabal that Casolaro called "The Octopus." According to his theory, over the past 25 years the Octopus had its tentacles in a number of international scandals." MacMichael doesn't think such a far-fetched sounding theory would get Casolaro killed. "If you published their names, pictures and documents, what kind of book would you have?" asks MacMichael. It would be dismissed, according to Macmichael, like "a UFO crank book." Second, Casolaro was looking into the October Surprise, the alleged deal between the 1980 Reagan presidential campaign and Iranians. That his death would be connected to this investigation is "nonsense" says MacMichael, who explains that many journalists are now investigating the 1980 deal, making it unlikely that Casolaro had information significant enough to endanger his life. Which leads to the third scenario, that Casolaro was on his way to collect the final evidence needed to wrap up his investigation of a scandal that, as MacMichael put it, involves "real crimes, real people and real money"--the Inslaw case. INSLAW MEETS THE LAW: For eight years, Inslaw Inc, has been battling the
[CTRL] New Stamp New Price
-Caveat Lector- The USPS will kick off the increase in first class stamps from 32 cents to 33 cents with a stamp that features the Chinese Year of the Hare. Happy New year is written in Chinese and English. Food for thought: 1) Did the Slickster give more than technology to the Chinese for campaign funds and this stamp a forewarnig, a clue? 2) Does the Grand Orient Branch of Masonry have a 32nd and 33rd degereeand this is somehow symbolic of that. Perhaps a cultural transitionor a sign that a move is going to be made? 3) Etc. Ricardo DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Koestler actually said
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 9:47:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that it's main premise that modern Jews are really not Jews is completely wrong. But this has never stopped Christians before and won't stop the really desperate now. All too true. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: DRUDGE-REPORT-WORLD-EXCLUSIVE 01/05/99
X DRUDGE REPORT X 01/05/99 06:52 UTC X WHITE HOUSE DNA CHASE: TEST RESULTS EXPECTED TUESDAY **World Exclusive** "I know it is his!" mother Bobbie Ann Williams told the STAR magazine during a preliminary interview. "He's the only white man I slept with that month." And now the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, preliminary DNA test results in the Danny Williams/Bill Clinton paternity showdown are expected as early as today! He's been told all of his life that Bill Clinton is his father, and late last month, 13-year old Danny Williams of Arkansas underwent a DNA test to find out the truth. The STAR magazine and ace investigative reporter Richard Gooding hope to determine Danny Williams' true paternity by matching the teen's DNA with information made public in the Starr report -- information that traced the president to Monica Lewinsky's dirty dress. Phil Bunton, editor of the STAR magazine, said late Monday: "It could be a 13 year-old hoax, we don't know yet." But the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal that lab runs on DNA samples provided by Williams and his mother have now been analyzed and are being compared to Bill Clinton's genetic code outlined in information publicly released by the United States Congress. It is not known if and when the STAR will make the results known. There is also tremendous intriguing surrounding tuition payments made to a private school in Arkansas that Williams has been attending. But details on what information Star and Gooding may have regarding those payments were sketchy Monday night. STAR and Gooding have arranged for Williams and his mother to hold an all-media press conference blowout if DNA results show a link. Elsewhere, White House staffers of all ranks have been warned to "avoid direct denials" regarding the paternity challenge, at least until results are in, it has been learned. "It is obviously just a final push to embarrass the president," one insider told the DRUDGE REPORT. "But if there is one thing that we've learned from the past twelve months, nothing is gained by going with absolutes." Press secretary Joe Lockhart followed the script during a Monday briefing at the White House where he was pressed for official comment: Q: Joe, I'm not here to defend the STAR tabloid, but it seems to me they broke the story of Gennifer Flowers and the Dick Morris sex scandal. Now, when both of those stories broke, defenders of the President said, oh, it's just the Star, it's just a tabloid, we're not going to dignify that with a response. And that was sort of the way to discredit the story. It seems to me that both those stories turned out to be true -- the Dick Morris story certainly turned out to be true; the Gennifer Flowers story, at least a portion of it, the President has admitted that he had at least one sexual liaison with Gennifer Flowers. And my question is, how can you use that same defense to just dismiss out of hand the story? I'm not asking whether the story is true, but wouldn't it be more instructive to just deny or acknowledge the facts that are in question here, rather than try to smear that tabloid? MR. LOCKHART: I'm not trying to smear, I'm just telling you that unless you have some independent reporting that you want to bring to this room and ask me about, I'm just not going to comment. Q: The picture on the Internet he looks exactly like the President. MR. LOCKHART: That's good. And I'm an alien space baby. [Laughter] And we're probably related -- so, next. Q Do we have some of your DNA? MR. LOCKHART: Sam, that's personal and we'll talk afterwards. [Laughter] Okay, I think we're done here, guys. Thank you. END --- The STAR signed Williams and his immediate family to a retainer valued in the low six-figures. In exchange, the family agreed to be tested, interviewed and will sit for an exclusive photo spread. [Reports that Danny Williams has already posed for a photo in front of the White house appear to be erroneous.] Williams' mother told a tabloid in 1992 that she approached Clinton after she allegedly got pregnant with his child during a paid sex session. She said: "He just laughed. He was rubbing my big belly and said: 'Girl, this can't be my baby.' But I knew it was... And the older he got, the more he started looking like his daddy, Bill." The current thinking inside of the Star magazine, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, is to not go with the story if the lab tests do not show a DNA link to the president. "If there is no match, there simply is no story," a magazine source explained late Monday. Developing... Filed by Matt Drudge Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for steaks and breaks (c)DRUDGE REPORT 1999 Not for reproduction without permission of the author
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- You need to do some research on the subject, H. (with all due respect). The Canadian government is subsidizing their producers. Your remarks about agricultural subsidies demonstrates your basic lack of knowledge about conditions in the agricultural sector. The reason why you should "buy American" is quite simple. Your dollars are going to insure the continued productivity of our domestic economy. The wheat farmers are Americans who pay taxes, send their kids off to war to protect the country. If the wheat farmers do well economically, rural America does well... The agricultural sector supports thousands of small businesses throughout the American Midwest. Each dollar that is spent in a rural community is "rolled over" several times through that community. When you buy American products, you are supporting your country. It's that simple. You are indirectly the beneficiary of the economic wellbeing of your fellow citizens. The farmers pay taxes that support basic services like schools, highways, medical services... If your fellow citizens go under economically, eventually, YOU will be asked to pay for their welfare. Their economic distress undermines your own economic security. How so? Re-read your American history. Take a look at the American Depression. When money is taken out of an economy, out of the pockets of ordinary working people, the system eventually collapses. Re: Your "tribal mentality" remarks. They are fundamentally racist and absurd. First of all, Native Americans did not have a "money" economy. Their technological expertise could not rival the Europeans (who, as you must know) were the heirs and technological beneficiaries of several advanced civilizations (Rome, Greece, Egypt, the cultures of the Levant).. The European expansion was based on CENTURIES of cultural trials and errors... Also, look at the role that geography,a temperate climate, and proximity to the "civilized" Near East played in the development of Europe. Re: "God made animals for us" comments. They're made for the plate? An interesting argument. I would only point out that we might consider some healthier, "kinder and gentler" (borrowing a phrase) ways of taking care of our protein needs. Just a thought. But of course we could follow PJ O'Rourke's advice and eat the rich. Regards, Wm On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Thank you for the excellent post. Here in North Dakota, the agricultural community is hurting thanks to a number of stupid government policies... NAFTA and the Republican "Freedom to Farm" bill... The wheat growers are particularly angry at Canadian dumping of wheat on this side of the border... The wheat consumers -- such as I -- are particularly angry at the US Govm't for subsidizing farmers and paying them NOT to grow wheat... However, I hasten point out that I disbelieve you when you say that Canadians are "dumping" wheat in the United States... Why would they do that? Seems like they would sell it to Americans. And if Amercians are buying Canadian wheat rather than American wheat, doesn't it make you wonder why? Could it be that they are selling it at a price MOST Americans would rather pay? Why should I subsidize a North Dakota farmer who's trying to rip me off by charging higher prices than the Canadians? Out in the western half of the state ( posse comitatus-militia country), the beef industry still holds sway The cattle industry plays hell with the environment... There's an interesting idea Who's "environment?" Chances are it is land owned by the United States government, and leased to the cattle rancher. If the govm't would sell all the land it owns, it could wipe out the national debt. Did you know that the U.S. govm't owns MORE LAND west of the Mississippi than there IS LAND east of that mighty river? Why should the govm't own all that land in the first place? As the family farms go under, many of the farm people find themselves targeted by white supremacist groups If they are "going under," what are they being targeted for? Family farms are "going under" primarily because of govm't programs that encourage stupid economics, which has little to do with white supremacist groups, which don't know any economics. Re: American Indian hunting practices. Native Americans were smart enough to realize that it wasn't a good idea to exhaust the resources of the environment. They were also stupid enough not to realize the value of personal ownership of wealth, and the productive power of capitalism... After all, that's why they were living in tents and barely subsisting... "Hunters and gatherers" don't have any capital to carry them over in hard times (such as a bad hunting season). "Tribal mentality" is the same as "slave mentality," which isn't known to result in creation of wealth and prosperity. The buffalo was the
[CTRL] The BIG Picture..part 1
-Caveat Lector- THE URANTIA BOOK PART II - THE LOCAL UNIVERSE -- -- Page 589 -- -- PAPER 52 - PLANETARY MORTAL EPOCHS From the inception of life on an evolutionary planet to the time of its final flowering in the era of light and life, there appear upon the stage of world action at least seven epochs of human life. These successive ages are determined by the planetary missions of the divine Sons, and on an average inhabited world these epochs appear in the following order: 1. Pre-Planetary Prince Man. 2. Post-Planetary Prince Man. 3. Post-Adamic Man. 4. Post-Magisterial Son Man. 5. Post-Bestowal Son Man. 6. Post-Teacher Son Man. 7. The Era of Light and Life. The worlds of space, as soon as they are physically suitable for life, are placed on the registry of the Life Carriers, and in due time these Sons are dispatched to such planets for the purpose of initiating life. The entire period from life initiation to the appearance of man is designated the prehuman era and precedes the successive mortal epochs considered in this narrative. 1. PRIMITIVE MAN From the time of man's emergence from the animal level--when he can choose to worship the Creator--to the arrival of the Planetary Prince, mortal will creatures are called primitive men. There are six basic types or races of primitive men, and these early peoples successively appear in the order of the spectrum colors, beginning with the red. The length of time consumed in this early life evolution varies greatly on the different worlds, ranging from one hundred and fifty thousand years to over one million years of Urantia time. The evolutionary races of color--red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and indigo--begin to appear about the time that primitive man is developing a simple language and is beginning to exercise the creative imagination. By this time man is well accustomed to standing erect. Primitive men are mighty hunters and fierce fighters. The law of this age is the physical survival of the fittest; the government of these times is wholly tribal. During the early racial struggles on many worlds some of the evolutionary races are obliterated, as occurred on Urantia. Those who survive are usually subsequently blended with the later imported violet race, the Adamic peoples. In the light of subsequent civilization, this era of primitive man is a long, dark, and bloody chapter. The ethics of the jungle and the morals of the primeval -- -- Page 590 -- -- forests are not in keeping with the standards of later dispensations of revealed religion and higher spiritual development. On normal and nonexperimental worlds this epoch is very different from the prolonged and extraordinarily brutal struggles which characterized this age on Urantia. When you have emerged from your first world experience, you will begin to see why this long and painful struggle on the evolutionary worlds occurs, and as you go forward in the Paradise path, you will increasingly understand the wisdom of these apparently strange doings. But notwithstanding all the vicissitudes of the early ages of human emergence, the performances of primitive man represent a splendid, even a heroic, chapter in the annals of an evolutionary world of time and space. Early evolutionary man is not a colorful creature. In general, these primitive mortals are cave dwellers or cliff residents. They also build crude huts in the large trees. Before they acquire a high order of intelligence, the planets are sometimes overrun with the larger types of animals. But early in this era mortals learn to kindle and maintain fire, and with the increase of inventive imagination and the improvement in tools, evolving man soon vanquishes the larger and more unwieldy animals. The early races also make extensive use of the larger flying animals. These enormous birds are able to carry one or two average-sized men for a nonstop flight of over five hundred miles. On some planets these birds are of great service since they possess a high order of intelligence, often being able to speak many words of the languages of the realm. These birds are most intelligent, very obedient, and unbelievably affectionate. Such passenger birds have been long extinct on Urantia, but your early ancestors enjoyed their services. Man's acquirement of ethical judgment, moral will, is usually coincident with the appearance of early language. Upon attaining the human level, after this emergence of mortal will, these beings become receptive to the temporary indwelling of the divine Adjusters, and upon death many are duly elected as survivors and sealed by the archangels for subsequent resurrection and Spirit fusion. The archangels
[CTRL] Grossed-Out Surgeon Vomits Inside Patient! - An InsiderÕs Look at Supermarket Tabloids [repost]
-Caveat Lector- Grossed-Out Surgeon Vomits Inside Patient! - An Insiders Look at Supermarket Tabloids Jim Hogshire(C) 1997 - All Rights Reserved Feral House 2532 Lincoln Blvd. Suite 359 Venice, California, 90291 ISBN 0-922915-42-3 - An EXCELLANT book, highly recommended. Lotsa pix of the tabs. Om K - 4 Domestic Tranquility How Tabs Support the Status Quo In the long run only he will achieve basic results in influencing public opinion who is able to reduce problems to the simplest terms. Joseph Goebbels, 1942 As chapter 2 suggests, the use of supermarket tabloids as tools for espionage and the dissemination of propaganda seems exceedingly natural. Although they are widely read, they remain invisible to the mainstream media. In a time when subliminal advertising and the subtle effects of violence on TV warrant serious debate, tabloid content remains unexamined and ignored. Millions of people claim to never pick up a tabloid, yet the y are exposed to the headlines as they pass through checkout counters. As outlined earlier, merely reading a headline has its effects. Once again, the tabloids' anonymity is key. Even people who look for signs of media conspiracy to shape public opinion do not address tabloids. This publishing realm has the perfect camouflageit's right in front of our noses. In 1984 a reporter visited the offices of the National Examiner to try to expose its unethical practices. Editor Billy Burt allowed her full run of the office. She could speak to anyone at all and look at whatever she wanted as long as she didn't interfere with people doing their work. On a hunch, she decided that a recent story about a boy born on a rollercoaster was a fake. She researched the story but could find no trace of it in any other newspaper. She called Burt on it, and he quickly told her that the story had been taken from a stringer in Brazil. She doggedly used the resources of her paper to try to track down the story, but came up with nothing. When she presented this to Burt he asked her to come into his office, where he shut the door. "Look, I'll tell you a secret," he said in a sheepish tone. "That story's about 30 years old." Aha! There was her answer. She couldn't find the incident because it was too old to show up on any of her databases. She swallowed Burt's ploy completely. A good reporter, she thought she had run her quarry to ground. There are few more gullible than a journalist. The Not so-Harmless Side of Tabs Some of the tabloids' activities parallel those of Readers Digest, which has been linked to the CIA. In 1988, Covert Action Information Bulletin No.29 documented the magazine's connections to propaganda efforts, starting when copies of the Digest were air-dropped behind enemy lines during World War II. The article explains the links between the wholesome Reader's Digest and various American "psychological warfare" agents. Like the Digest, tabloids are considered harmless. Nobody questions why tabloids and the Digest expend large sums of money on stories they lever print, or which could have been written after making a few phone calls. Why Reader's Digesta magazine supposedly devoted to reprintswould maintain a well-staffed Hong Kong office makes little sense. Its maintenance of other offices around the world is suspicious, specially its former Havana offices, which served as the focal point for its Central American editions. In fact, the more innocuous the format, the more insidious the proaganda. Readers Digest has the largest circulation of any publication in he world. It is pro-American and pro-Christian. Its editors and pubishers are notoriously jingoistic. At one time American flag decals were dispensed to every employee. The Digest has been a useful outlet for disinformation, especially about the supposed Communist threat. Ronald Reagan even cited it as a source of information about the Sandinista government in Nicaragua! As if the man in charge of the Contras needed bolstering from reading material normally associated with musty dentist offices. Tabloidsespecially the Enquire~spend tons of money on foreign stories, sending reporters all over the world for no discernible reason other than to gather information. They may claim to be looking for lost dinosaurs in the jungles of Zaire or for ancient astronauts in Peru. But none of these stories require on-the-ground reporting. Curiously, many of the sites are close to hard-to-monitor war zones or areas controlled by guerrilla movements. The people who run and staff the tabs are anything but stupid. Many are former editors and reporters for the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time and Newsweek. American Media co-owner Michael Boylan is a former photo editor for the New York Times. Eddie Clontz, editor of the outrageous Weekly World News, used to be an articles editor at the Pulitzer-Prize-winning St. Petersburg Times. Many tabloid reporters are bright, accomplished investigators and writers. Glen
[CTRL] OEN 1/5/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - There are some embed links to reports. If ya haven't read them, HIGHLY reccomended. At Mr. Grabbe's page. Om K - Impeached POTUS Clinton May Miss State of the Union Speech Jury Tampering PRESIDENT CLINTON may be forced to shelve his State of the Union Address, the showpiece in the American political calendar, because of his impeachment trial. Democrats and Republicans agree that he cannot stand at the podium in Congress on Jan 19 if he is still, figuratively, in the dock of the Senate facing perjury and witness-tampering charges being prosecuted by the House of Representatives. Senators of both parties say it would be improper for the President to deliver an oration to his accusers and, in the Senate's case more importantly, to his jurors. Mr Clinton desperately wants to go ahead with the speech, which offers an unparalleled set-piece opportunity for a president to present himself as in charge and purposeful. Last year he seized the chance to repair his credibility eight days after the Monica Lewinsky sex-and-cover-up scandal erupted. It would not be a constitutional problem were the President to fail to deliver the speech in person. Although the constitution requires presidents to give Congress an annual report, before the advent of television many sent it in writing rather than turning up on Capitol Hill to bask in applause. Mr Clinton's trial is due to open next Monday. If a censure compromise cannot be agreed, and a full trial goes ahead, it would take weeks, perhaps months, some Senators fear. The London Telegraph, Jan. 5, 1999 Information SuperSpyWay Reno Appointed Web Hubbell to Oversee Clipper Chip by Charles R. Smith See the FBI documents here: http://www.software.net/fbi.html A newly de-classified document from the FBI confirms that Attorney General Reno appointed Webster Hubbell to a secret computer chip project intended to bug America. The document, a 1993 letter from FBI Director William Sessions to Janet Reno, was obtained from the Department of Justice using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The FBI letter to Reno states "During the June 30, 1993 meeting with the National Security Council staff to discuss the status of the Presidential Decision and Review Directives concerning key-escrow encryption technology and telecommunications trends, which was attended by Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, the issue of a recommended solution to the law enforcement access problem, or the digital telephony issue, was discussed." The Department of Justice withheld many of the documents seen by Hubbell, including a SECRET report from the FBI on "Requirements For the Surveillance of Electronic Communications." The June 30, 1993 letter from Sessions to Reno states that the Whitewater figure attended a secret White House briefing on U.S. computer chip policy. In 1993, President Clinton considered mandatory legislation for a special computer chip called CLIPPER to be manufactured into all U.S. computers. According to a SECRET FBI report from 1992, the CLIPPER chip contained a "exploitable feature" which allowed the Federal Government to intercept and decode computer communications. The letter proves Ms. Reno appointed her trusted Assistant Attorney General Webster Hubbell to over-see the secret National Security Agency (NSA) encryption chip project in 1993. According to documents obtained using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Hubbell attended at least one other meeting at the National Security Agency (NSA) Headquarters in May 1993, along with White House lawyers Vince Foster and Bernard Nussbaum. Ms. Reno has been heavily involved in the making of computer security policy of interest to China since 1993. She has also supported a view to monopolize the computer security industry under the Federal government. One 1996 CIA report noted that Ms. Reno wanted to monitor all American domestic computer communications such as e-mail, using a technique to secretly intercept and decode any messages. According to CIA Director John Deutch, the government would mandate all computers be equipped with a special "back-door" system called "key recovery". Federal agents would use a secret "key" to secretly enter a back door and read any computer communication. According to the 1996 report to V.P. Gore by CIA Director Deutch, Ms. Reno proposed an all out Federal take-over of the computer industry. The Justice Department, proposed "legislation that would ... ban the import and domestic manufacture, sale or distribution of encryption that does not have key recovery." Prime targets for monitoring would be foreign governments, banks, corporations, and individuals opposing the Clinton administration. The keys were to be held by "key recovery agents" licensed by the Commerce Department.
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- I'm all for your right to own an elephant, Hawk. Go for it. However, I think your argument that private owners make better caretakers because they are interested in protecting their investment might be a little weak. It resembles the arguments used by white slaveowners during the Abolitionist debates... "We love our slaves...after all, they're investments.. We have to take care of them or they lose their value.." Regards, Wm On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Re: American Indian hunting practices. Native Americans were smart enough to realize that it wasn't a good idea to exhaust the resources of the environment. Hawk said: They were also stupid enough not to realize the value of personal ownership of wealth, and the productive power of capitalism... Then I thought of something else... Let's compare the American Bison with the elephant. In Africa, elephants are owned by "the people," which everyone with any sense should know by now, means "the government." There is no private ownership of elephants. Vast resources are spent (read, "taxpayer money") to protect the elephant for extinction due to poachers, disease, and general mis-management of the herds. On the other hand, in Burma, Thailand, and other countries, "people" -- without "the" in front of it -- meaning "individuals" -- own the elephants. The elephants are used as beasts of burden in private enterprise. They are run over with elephants... elephants are thriving and multiplying. There is no danger of their becoming extinct. The reason is this: When elephants belong to individuals, and represent "wealth" to that person, he takes care of them, nurtures them, and promotes their well-being AT NO COST TO "SOCIETY." He pays all this out of his own pocket, for his own welfare and to produce his own wealth. It is the same with almost any "natural resource." When the govm't owns it, there is a burden on the taxpayer, and the resource is almost certain to be mis-managed, costly, and in danger of depletion. When individuals own resources, they foot the bill for preservation and management of the resource. While an individual may needlessly and foolishly exploit or squander his little portion of the resource, it is unlikely that all owners of similar resources would be so foolish. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men an...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? There are "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were at Vicksburg. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and sabotaged when possible. There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some shred of fairness considering the relationship. The real point is that every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 5:45:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the statement of the greatest con being the fractional reserve system of banking! And if any of you good people want to help out please go to http://www.norfed.org/. An excellent site and we need all the help we can get. Well, I'd have to go with the great 'con' - education. Then the media, then the fed and associated 'private centrals' and their spawn. MHO Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Howard: Read this post.///
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for the inspiring story. Although I am a little bit curious why exactly a "homosexual, atheist, marxist composition teacher" would object to your musical composition, presumably, a work that expresses humanity's movement towards "freedom." I would imagine that an individual who holds heterodox views would be interested in "freedom." But come to think of it, how would you differentiate music that is "free" from the "unfree" variety? Isn't music just music? Regards, Wm On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howard: All true, but can you imagine wrapping a thesis around any of these postulations? I'm not long out of college, so the very idea makes me cringe! Edward It seems to me that the greatest con of all times has got to be the fractional reserve system of banking and its evil off-springs: central banking and the IMF. This has caused and continues to cause more hard ship then any other con that I can think of. Through this scheme vast amounts of money have been transferred and continue to be transferred from producers to parasites. Oh, I forgot. Some people try to graduate from college. Its been so long, I forgot. In fact, I guess I really didn't understand the concept when I was going to college. I thought you were supposed to be there to learn. My major was musical composition. My senior year I tried to get an orchestra composition I had written performed called "Pilgrims Progress". It was a piece which illustrated in sound the movement of humanity towards freedom. You can imagine how that set with my homosexual, athiest, marxist composition teacher. He said: "your music will be performed over my dead body". Fortunately, I was able to restrain myself. I left school without the piece being performed and without a degree, but in less then a year it was performed before 4,000 people by a professional orchestra and I recieved a standing ovation. Not long afterwards I recieved a letter from the school saying that I would be graduated at the end of the month. The degree hasn't done me nearly the good that the experience did. Even if I had never gotten a degree, I would be glad I chose the path I did. You can bet if I were in school and had to do that thesis I'd be using fractional reserve banking as my example! best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] PoS future agenda
From: "Donato Ranzato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] While re-reading 'Holy Blood Holy Grail' I thought about how the PoS will react to the bad press it has had the last couple of years. In Holy Blood Holy Grail the authors state that Pierre Plantard may actually be a direct descendant of the Merovingian Bloodline. They conclude/proof this after done some very thorough research. When the book came out it got some international publicity and shocked a lot of people with their "revelation". If there ever was a time that the Priory could have come forward with their "Priest-King" it was in this period. But the Priory remained silent and elusive. In the years after the publication people have proofed that Pierre Plantard is a con-man and not a Merovingian and that the most important members of the Priory are almost all con-men and possibly engaged in fraude, blackmail and the spread of disinformation (remember the story with the Prieure documents). It is stated on this mailinglist that the Priory has possible links with the Mafia, Opus Dei, OTO, P2 and a couple of other shadowy and/or criminal organizations. Not something to be proud of. So, the question is how and when will the Priory try to refute these accusations. IMHO the longer they wait to emerge with the "truth" the more they will damage their long-term goals. God Speed, Donato Ranzato, KT General Representative DFOKT "Rerum Cognoscere Causas" Please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Official Website of the Dutch Fraternal Order of Knights Templar: http://welcome.to/tempeliers + Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nominis Tuo Da Gloriam + To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites to unsubscribe, contact list-managers [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: They are run over with elephants... elephants are thriving and multiplying. Bullshit. The Indian elephant's in trouble due to loss of it's natural habitat... Maybe I should have said "Domesticated Indian elephants." You're back to talking about "wild" elephants that "belong to the people." There is no danger of their becoming extinct. Again, bullshit. An elephant is extremely expensive, to buy, to train (takes years), and to house and feed adequately...therefore most areas of the east where the elephant was once used have replaced the elephant with gasoline-driven vehicles to do the same work, as the gas vehicles are ultimately cheaper... Proves my point As long as there was a "use" for elephants, and people were allowed to own them for their personal use, there was no danger of them becoming extinct. As for the rest of the world, I must say that not having ever seen a "do-do bird" doesn't seem to have had a detrimental effect on me... And since I can no longer buy elephant-hide boots, and never had a desire to own any ivory, the extinction of elephants would not effect me much either. I don't think they were "put here" for entertainment purposes (i.e. vacation trips to Africa, or even to the zoo, to "see the elephants.") Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FREE Holiday to Disney World
-Caveat Lector- Can anyone PLEASE tell me why people start these things up (like, sure, Disney and Bill Gates are really gonna' fly everyone to Disney World. Duh). What does anyone have to gain from doing it?read further down Sue Podell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Shirley Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ShawnHall [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rex Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike Dempsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mevlut Dinc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marlon DosSantos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Paulik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Debra Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05 January 1999 08:07 Subject: Fw: this is real, please do it!! - Original Message - From: Anita Gunnufson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Carol and Gary Archer' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Diane Schwartzman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kent Gunnufson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Laurie Miller' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Louise Crawford' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Paul Shreiter' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Sherman Cohen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: FW: this is real, please do it!! -- From: Jackie Rose Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 10:21 AM To: Christie Rose Cc: Gary Wayne Rose; teri and Madonna Leong; Steve Debbie Hsu; Staci and Glen Vescio; SharonDi Meglio; Sara Henderson; RoseWorden; ron's office; PattiPeters; Lisa and Jon Strong; KayMarko; jennifer leong; ila/donatherton; Ginger Simons; GARYKipling; Dennis Clark; ChristianWegener; cathy wolfe; beckybuehrle greenwald; Ann Scherm Baldwin Subject: Fw: this is real, please do it!! Be sure to double click on all the enevelopes to get to the original message, this shows you how much this has been passed around. Good Luck -Original Message- From: Lisa Welter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:00 PM Subject: Fw: this is real, please do it!! -Original Message- From: Cervo, Shelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Urbanik, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]; McKern, Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Munyon, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Vigil, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Love, Dessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Devine, Myra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Denault, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Christopher, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Allen, Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Allen, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Oltrogge, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Schreiber, Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:57 PM Subject: FW: this is real, please do it!! Guys its true I too called Disney myself... they are standing behind it 100% So send, send, send, send, okay? Folks, I called Disney my damn self. It's no lie. GET IT DONE! Disney message $5,000.00 If you read below you will see the note from Walt Disney Jr. Management at Disney World. Basically if this messages reaches 13,000 people, everyone will receive $5,000.00 or a free, all expenses paid, trip to Disney World in anytime during the summer of 1999. See the note below - its worth it Everyone is to resend to 15 individuals. Please read and forward to as many friends as possible...we've checked up on this and this is no joke of a chain letter or something if this reaches 13,000 people...duplicate entries don't count, though...So, please help pass on... thank you, and here you go!!! WALT DISNEY JR. GREETING Hello Disney fans, And thank you for signing up for Bill Gates' Beta Email Tracking. My name is Walt Disney Jr. Here at Disney we are working with Microsoft which has just compiled an e-mail tracing program that tracks everyone to whom this message is forwarded. It does this through an unique IP (Internet Protocol) address log book database. We are experimenting with this and need your help. Forward this to everyone you know and if it reaches 13,000 people, 1,300 of the people on the list will receive $5,000, and the rest will receive a free trip for two to Disney World for one week during the summer of 1999 at our expense. Enjoy. Note: Duplicate entries will not be counted. You will be notified by email with further instructions once this email has reached 13,000 people. Your friends, Walt Disney Jr., Disney, Bill Gates, The Microsoft Development Team. _ _ _ To: Steve Carriveau/National/Hewitt Associates@Hewitt Associates NA David Repke/National/Hewitt Associates@Hewitt Associates NA Hamid Shahid/National/Hewitt Associates@Hewitt Associates NA
[CTRL] Orangutans Suffer from too Much TV
Orangutans Suffer From Too Much TV Tuesday, January 5, 1999; 7:10 a.m. EST MOSCOW (AP) -- A plan to educate a group of orangutans on the joys of family life by watching television backfired after the apes became more interested in the tube than each other, The Moscow Times reported today. The newspaper said keepers at the St. Petersburg Zoo rigged up a TV outside the cage of orangutans Monika and Rabu to show them videos on being good parents. They took the step after the apes had a baby, Ramon, in November, but then started to neglect their offspring. Rabu, the male orangutan, became so engrossed in watching TV that he started to ignore his mate, Monika, who became upset over his neglect, the paper said. ``We'll reduce the time of TV watching in order to keep the family together,'' zoo director Ivan Korneyev was quoted as saying. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press Come join InTheShadows (formally known as exploration). This is a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date with new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories', politics, and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] New Stamp New Price
-Caveat Lector- Thanks, Hmm . . . Auspicious, suspicious, malicious, delicious . . .? Can anyone comment on the symbolism of the year of the hare? Where is the hare in that cycle? . . . What is the date of the change? Is the change happening directly on Chinese New Year? USPS is a semi-private? Is the USPS CEO a mason? Om K In a message dated 1/5/99 6:47:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The USPS will kick off the increase in first class stamps from 32 cents to 33 cents with a stamp that features the Chinese Year of the Hare. Happy New year is written in Chinese and English. Food for thought: 1) Did the Slickster give more than technology to the Chinese for campaign funds and this stamp a forewarnig, a clue? 2) Does the Grand Orient Branch of Masonry have a 32nd and 33rd degereeand this is somehow symbolic of that. Perhaps a cultural transitionor a sign that a move is going to be made? 3) Etc. Ricardo - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 12:50:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? Have all the other people of the earth agreed upon a goal without telling me? Is there really some game whose winner is determined by what country sustains the most people per square mile of land? Is Bangladesh the winner? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: Mr. Crowley?
From: "Jeffery E Marshall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings I have a paper I wrote and presented to the Maryland Masonic Research Society, entitled "The Hermetic and Alchemical Roots of Masoninc Symbol and Allegory" available for download at http://members.tripod.com/~graalquest/files.html The file is a zipped Word97 document. If you don't have Word97, I have a link to a free reader you can download. AOI Jeff Marshall http://members.tripod.com/~graalquest ICQ 5504005 -Original Message- From: Alvin Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [priory-of-sion] Re: Mr. Crowley? From: "Alvin Morris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am interested in finding out more about all of our discussions, but I need to speak with a masonic brother who has travelled and is familiar with our discussions. If you are a brother please email me and verify it. Thanks Serious replies only and no easy statements or questions from brothers. -Original Message- From: Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 8:04 AM Subject: [priory-of-sion] Re: Mr. Crowley? From: "Byrne" [EMAIL PROTECTED] david rupp wrote Mackey's "History of Freemasonry" discusses myths tying Masons to Hermes Trismegistus and to the Gnostics. i dont think that anyone questions the origin of freemasonry through hermetic, gnostic, pythagorean, qabalistic etc lines of philosophy the difficult thing is to tie down when and by whom regards patrick To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites to unsubscribe, contact list-managers [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites to unsubscribe, contact list-managers [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites to unsubscribe, contact list-managers [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Midwife who delivered Clinton adds fuel to row over his ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 10:43:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr Clinton was brought up to believe he was sired by Bill Blythe, an accused bigamist Sired? How many posts on this thread will it take for someone to declare that Clinton, being the Antichrist, was fathered by you know who? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tom DeLay
-Caveat Lector- Tom DeLay is rather interesting. It seems that he and our new speaker, Hastert, have been working together for a long time. The Feb 7 issue of "In These TImes" says "they have been deploying their good cop/bad cop routine in tandem for years." They claim that this has put DeLay in the catbird's seat on the new team. They also say "Hastert is steeped in the dour and puritanical traditions of German Protestantism, and his surface geniality and reputation as a man of his word will serve as the perfect cover for DeLay's draconian exigencies." They discuss DeLay's various tactics, etc., and then say: "Those menaces were backed by the shock troops of the Christian right and their feldkommandurs--Paul Weyrich, Gary Bauer, James Dobson and Randy Tate--with whom Delay works hand in glove. We'll all soon know who DeLay is if this article is correct. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hundreds protest police killing of black teen in California
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 10:49:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Officers called to the scene by relatives at about 2 a.m. said they found her sitting in the car at a gas station parking lot, a gun in her lap. The car had a flat tire. Its doors were locked, the windows rolled up and the engine was running. Police said she didn't respond until officers broke a window to get her gun. She was shot when she grabbed the weapon, according to officers. I don't quite understand what about the situation described would have brought the attention of the police. No one could have seen any possible gun in the girl's lap by casual glance, so I'm curious to know if sitting in a car with a flat tire and the motor running is against the law in some way. It get's harder and harder to know just what the police expect of American citizens. Jaywalking without ID, sitting in a car with a flat--I wish there was some list we could get that would warn us of these new crimes. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Octopus, Inslaw, PROMIS, Systematics and The Tentacles of Corruption -reformatted
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3691e2526c13.htm A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3691e2526c13.htm"The Octopus, Inslaw, PROMIS, Systematics and Th /A - Links galore at end of article at site. Thanks, Bill. Om K - Topic: White Water The Octopus, Inslaw, PROMIS, Systematics and The Tentacles of Corruption - The Links Various Authors, Publications and Media January 4, 1999 Various Authors Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. THE OCTOPUS - THE TENTACLES OF CORRUPTION MURDER IN THE MARTINSBURG SHERATON? By Joel Bleifuss For more than a year, Danny Casolaro, a Washington D.C. - based freelance investigator, had been sorting through a web of intrigue--the S L debacle, BCCI, Iran-Contra, the contra-connected Wackenhut Corp., the Wackenhut-connected Inslaw case, and the Inslaw-connected "October Surprise." According to one of his close friends, who asked not to be named, Casolaro began receiving death threats eight or nine months ago. "Brother, just make it quick," Casolaro is reported to have told one of these midnight callers. The last threat came on Monday, August 5, according to his brother, Anthony. How quick death came we may never know. On Saturday, August 10, Casolaro was found dead in Room 517 of the Martinsburg, W. Va., Sheraton. His body was discovered with 12 incisions in his arms in a bathtub of bloody water 17 hours after he had called his mother's house at 6 p.m. Friday to say he was heading home but that he would not make it to his niece's birthday party. On the following Monday Martinsburg authorities notified by a cleaning contractor. Officials are calling the incident an "unattended death" while they continue their investigation. Family and friends say that suicide is out of the question. They maintain that Casolaro was not a depressive type, and that while he did have financial problems, he did not dwell on them. According to family and friends, before leaving for Martinsburg, Casolaro had been ecstatic. The pieces of the puzzle were finally fitting together. He had told them he was going to West Virginia to meet a source who was to help him nail down a last piece of evidence in his investigation into the Inslaw software-theft case. Those close to Casolaro want many questions answered. Where is his ever-present briefcase? It was not in the motel room. Where is his tape deck? It is missing. Where were his notes and the outline of his proposed book, "Behold a Pale Horse," which he had shown to friends days before his death? The documents were not found in the Sheraton motel room or in the four boxes of his papers that the family turned over to ABC News. Why did authorities wait so long to notify the family of his death? His driver's license said he lived in Falls Church, Va., and all the Casolaros listed in the 703 area code are his relatives. Why was his body embalmed before the family was notified? West Virginia law requires family approval prior to embalming. Who was the man who telephoned Casolaro's house on Saturday evening? When a housekeeper picked up the phone, a voice said, "You're dead, you bastard." MOTIVE FOR MURDER? What was Casolaro investigating that could have put his life in such danger? David MacMichael is a former CIA analyst who now directs the Washington office of the Association of National Security Alumni, a watchdog group. MacMichael had talked to Casolaro on the phone on Thursday, the day he left for Martinsburg. Casolaro had made an appointment to meet with him. Says MacMichael, "providing the death was not a suicide, one can examine three scenarios. First, Casolaro was developing a theory that a group of former intelligence officers were members of a for-profit cabal that Casolaro called "The Octopus." According to his theory, over the past 25 years the Octopus had its tentacles in a number of international scandals." MacMichael doesn't think such a far-fetched sounding theory would get Casolaro killed. "If you published their names, pictures and documents, what kind of book would you have?" asks MacMichael. It would be dismissed, according to Macmichael, like "a UFO crank book." Second, Casolaro was looking into the October Surprise, the alleged deal between the 1980 Reagan presidential campaign and Iranians. That his death would be connected to this investigation is "nonsense" says MacMichael, who explains that many journalists are now investigating the 1980 deal, making it unlikely that Casolaro had information significant enough to endanger his life. Which leads to the third scenario, that Casolaro was on his way to collect the final evidence needed to wrap up his investigation of a scandal that, as MacMichael put it, involves "real crimes, real people and real money"--the Inslaw case. INSLAW MEETS THE LAW: For eight years, Inslaw Inc, has been battling the Justice Department for possession of Promis, an innovative
[CTRL] Pesticide Exposure Affects Male Fertility
Thursday December 31 3:57 PM ET Pesticide exposure affects male fertility NEW YORK, Dec 31 (Reuters Health) -- A class of pesticides widely used in the developing world may disrupt men's reproductive hormone levels and contribute to fertility problems, according to a study in the December issue of the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. Previous research findings have suggested that exposure to organophosphate pesticides -- such as methyl- and ethylparathion -- can disrupt fertility. In experiments with mice, researchers found that exposure to methylparathion was associated with abnormal sperm production. In the new study, Dr. Xiping Xu of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, and colleagues measured pesticide byproducts and reproductive hormone levels in urine, blood, and semen samples from 34 Chinese men working in a factory producing organophosphate pesticides, and 44 Chinese men working in a textile factory. After controlling for the men's ages, smoking habits and other factors that can affect hormonal levels, the researchers found that men who had relatively high levels of exposure to the pesticides showed small but significant sex hormone abnormalities. Among other things, these men produced decreased levels of testosterone. The greater the exposure, the greater the abnormalities. ``We conclude that organophosphate pesticides have a small effect on male reproductive hormones,'' Xu and colleagues write. To the best of their knowledge, this is the first study that examines the effects of organophosphate pesticide exposure on the reproductive hormones of pesticide factory workers. Further study, with a larger group of men, is warranted to clarify the pesticides' effects on both hormone levels and reproductive function, they conclude. SOURCE: Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine 1998;40:1038-1047. Come join InTheShadows (formally known as exploration). This is a discussionlist dedicated to keeping up-to-date with new technologies, advancements inmedicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories', politics, and, ofcourse, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will getyou bounced off the list.To subscribe, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:56:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were also stupid enough not to realize the value of personal ownership of wealth, and the productive power of capitalism... After all, that's why they were living in tents and barely subsisting... "Hunters and gatherers" don't have any capital to carry them over in hard times (such as a bad hunting season). "Tribal mentality" is the same as "slave mentality," which isn't known to result in creation of wealth and prosperity. The Native Americans should have been ashamed of themselves not to realize the commercial value of property. Of coure they were doing beautifully before the colonists started killing them, but they just should have understood that grabbing the most of everything is the mark of true civilization. Maybe they already understood the words I saw on an announcement board outside a local church. "When we die, we leave what we have and take what we are." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- You need to do some research on the subject, H. (with all due respect). The Canadian government is subsidizing their producers. I don't care at all what the Canadian govm't subsidizes or doesn't subsidize. I would be delighted if they bought every grain of Canadian wheat and gave it to me free. Your remarks about agricultural subsidies demonstrates your basic lack of knowledge about conditions in the agricultural sector. I freely admit to "lack of knowledge" about conditions in the agricultural sector. However, I don't have to have a great deal of knowledge to know that it is wrong for the govm't to take MY money, against my will, and give it to farmers. Anything beyond that knowledge on the subject of subsidies is immaterial. By the way, I just read in this morning's Dallas Morning News that the U.S. Agriculture Dept (which has more employees than there are farmers in the U.S.) has "settled a lawsuit" with Negro farmers, in which the "farmers" will get a $50,000 cash award, plus all debts to the govm't will be canceled, which are estimated to be between $75,000 and $100,000 each. Do I have to be more knowlegable than that to know that I'm being screwed? The reason why you should "buy American" is quite simple. Your dollars are going to insure the continued productivity of our domestic economy. You've taken the bait, I see. You're telling me that I have some obligation to support people who otherwise cannot make a living at their chosen profession. Sir, I am not responsible for their inept farming or business practices, nor for their choice of how to make a living. They aren't responsible for mine either, by the way. The wheat farmers are Americans who pay taxes, send their kids off to war to protect the country. I pay my taxes, too... But I don't get a subsidy from farmers so I can be self-employed... And as for sending their kids off to war, then they are stupid to boot. I am not responsible for other peoples' stupidity. If the wheat farmers do well economically, rural America does well... So, I should pay higher prices than the free market will bear is that right? So "rural America will do well"??? And, by the same token, I should pay higher prices for automobiles so the United Autoworkers will do well? And exhorbitant taxes to support inferior schools so the teachers "will do well?" Give me a break! The agricultural sector supports thousands of small businesses throughout the American Midwest. Each dollar that is spent in a rural community is "rolled over" several times through that community. Good... Spend your own dollars, and stop taking mine... If that's your objective, go right ahead... But don't force me support people who don't give a damn whether or not I have to pay too much for what I buy. When you buy American products, you are supporting your country. It's that simple. Yep... That's one of the most "simple" things a person could say You are indirectly the beneficiary of the economic wellbeing of your fellow citizens. Maybe so, but I am DIRECTLY the victim of having my money extorted from me. Anytime someone starts talking about how I will benefit from someone else's govm't support, I automatically reach for my wallet. The farmers pay taxes that support basic services like schools, highways, medical services... Then they're being conned, too... Welcome to the club. If your fellow citizens go under economically, eventually, YOU will be asked to pay for their welfare. "Eventually, my ass!" I'm already being FORCED to pay for their welfare. I don't recall being "asked." Their economic distress undermines your own economic security. How so? They need to get a job that pays a living without extorting my money to subsidize their lifestyle... Re-read your American history. Take a look at the American Depression. When money is taken out of an economy, out of the pockets of ordinary working people, the system eventually collapses. That's my point... "MONEY IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF MY POCKET" and, you're right, the system will indeed collapse. Re: Your "tribal mentality" remarks. They are fundamentally racist and absurd. Yeah, yeah... You haven't a clue about who I am or what my ideas about "race" are. As for the results, which is what I commented on, do you deny it? First of all, Native Americans did not have a "money" economy. That's because they didn't have any money Everything is "the property of the tribe." That's why they were living in tents, and why they now live in hovels. The point is, they created no wealth, and having no one the tax, they were destitute. Re: "God made animals for us" comments. They're made for the plate? An interesting argument. I would only point out that we might consider some healthier, "kinder and gentler" (borrowing a phrase) ways of taking care of our protein needs. Just a thought.
Re: [CTRL] Chinese Expect Interesting Times
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 12:27:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1999 to be an "interesting" year for China. Chinese Warlords anticipate the economic slowdown will get drastically worse. Already millions of recent unemployed and millions of poor angry farmers. Odd. The Year of the Rabbit starts on February l6th, and it is considered a placid year in which we can recoverer from the ferocious Year of the Tiger. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- I'm all for your right to own an elephant, Hawk. Go for it. However, I think your argument that private owners make better caretakers because they are interested in protecting their investment might be a little weak. I don't think its weak at all... Most people don't take care of "other peoples' stuff" as well as they care for their own... I'll bet you use more generous portions of toilet paper in a motel than you do when you're directly paying for it. Ever heard the old saying, "I'll beat you like a government mule"??? The basis for that little phrase is that people just don't take care of government stuff as well as they do their own. There are a zillion examples to support it. It resembles the arguments used by white slaveowners during the Abolitionist debates... "We love our slaves...after all, they're investments.. We have to take care of them or they lose their value.." It was, I might add, a valid argument. I've done a bit of research in that aspect of economics and history. For your information, the typical Negro slave received back, over the period of his life, about 90% of the wealth he produced... He had a longer life expectency than white Europeans of the time, and was better off in practically every measurable aspect of economic life and physical health than was any "peasant class" worker in the world (specifically factory workers in the industrial north and Europe). Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- You're too right. Isn't it sad? Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] It's only fiction. Right. The Blood Trail
-Original Message-From: Martha /or James [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:13 PMSubject: [exploration] It's only fiction. Right.Written in Blood (An Interview with Michael Sullivan) http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3640a55a6b89.htm Topic: White Water Written in Blood (An Interview with Michael Sullivan) JANUARY Magazine (literary) October, 1998 Linda Richards January Magazine Written In Blood Interview with Michael Sullivan, by Linda Richards He doesn't look like a lunatic. Crisply dressed and coifed, his blue eyes smile quickly -- though not for our cameras -- and his graying-blond hair stays neatly placed. He is, he tells me, a son of the south and this is verified by his voice: as close to clipped as a southern accent gets. An educated voice, certainly. But one that is, nonetheless, punctuated by the region that spawned him. He does not wear a white suit, but if he did it wouldn't look strange. In short, he doesn't look or sound at all like someone hatching a plot or grinding an ax, though looks can be deceiving. If half of the things Michael Sullivan is saying are true, the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal starts to look like a children's sandbox creation. Interesting for a while, but more crumble than substance. If it's not true, it still seems likely that Sullivan is going to sell a lot of books. I want to go on record as saying I am not planning on committing suicide, Sullivan says earnestly. I plan to live a long, long time. My interview with Sullivan did not go at all as planned. I arrived expecting to speak with the author of an interesting new suspense novel. I planned to talk to him about his writing process and perhaps his life, interests and favorite pets. The last thing I'd anticipated was being led down a dark path of conspiracy featuring some of the largest characters in international politics: especially some of those who (ahem) have been getting a lot of press in recent months. I had, of course, noticed some more than fleeting similarities between one of Blood Trail's major characters and a certain former governor from Arkansas. This I put down to the richness of fiction and the fact that Sullivan is a native of that state. However, it would seem that Sullivan's interest runs less to literature than it does to high level machinations: at least in this instance. With some passion Sullivan spoke at length about what led him to write Blood Trail. The fictional work focuses on two men from Arkansas. Robert Davis Prescott has been groomed almost from birth to take a place in American history. David Farr is the Vietnam Vet whose son is stricken with AIDS from a blood transfusion given to him in Canada. Farr wants to find out who is responsible, and is somewhat surprised when the trail -- the Blood Trail, if you will -- leads back to his home state and eventually to the White House and Prescott. Sullivan -- though it's not the writer's real name, and he's not talking -- is a doctor who says he was a medical practitioner for the Arkansas prison system between 1982 and, off and on, to the present time. He says that he knew that blood was being drawn from sick and infected Arkansas prisoners but he didn't know where the blood was being sold and distributed. In 1995, says Sullivan, he learned about infections and death in Canada, where the Arkansas blood had ended up. Sullivan says he became determined to find out more. The result of that research, says Sullivan, is in the novel Blood Trail. A story that while it's almost unbelievable, Sullivan says only begins to scratch the surface of the truth. Linda Richards: So is Bob Prescott's resemblance to Bill Clinton unintentional? Michael Sullivan: I had certain information when I started the book. Actually, not very much. I worked in the system. I knew they were taking blood from very sick people. I knew the group was basically corrupt. And it wasn't until years later that I realized that they didn't have a way to clean up. It was not until 1995 and the initial Krever investigation was kicked off that one article appeared in the Associated Press that said that tainted blood in Canada had been taken from Arkansas prisoners. And I said, 'God Almighty!' because I'd forgotten about it. I was in it. I knew certain things. You know, it was like this huge guilt rush hit me because I hadn't investigated it. That's not my specialty. I just assumed mistakenly that they had a way to manufacture some kind of clean product. Suddenly I remembered how Clinton had stood in and protected the HMA [Health Management Associates] through everything. Because they'd come under fire not because of plasma but because they hired drug addicts and they hired guys that had lost their medical licenses and several other things, especially dealing with narcotics. They'd come under fire from the media. Clinton had protected and in fact ensured
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel menan...
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? It may be as you describe, if you are as ignorant as your statement suggests. There are "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were at Vicksburg. Are you suggesting that the citizens and soldiers Vicksburg was not treated rather cruelly? They were at war, and it makes sense that their attackers would blow things up and kill people... Vicksburg isn't, however, a good example to illustrate cruelty. There are far better ones. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. You learned this in public school, no doubt. I will challenge you to share your evidence, and will in like manner share mine... Your choice of words indicates that you prefer emotionalism to objective discussion, however.. For instance, the elected government of the South was no more a "gang of slavers" than was the north a "gang of slave traders." Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and sabotaged when possible. You mean the traitors? There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some shred of fairness considering the relationship. A few? I believe the documentation of the era supports that such was the norm. Unless, of course, your study of history is mainly pulp such as "Uncle Tom's Cabin." The real point is that every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. Absurd... The war was never intended to free the slave, but to enslave the master... and its objective was accomplished. And I, for one, will not "thank God" for having my country over-run by the imperial United States, and making my state a mere administrative extension of an over-bearing and increasingly intolerable Central Govm't... Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Midwife who delivered Clinton adds fuel to row over his...
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 10:43:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr Clinton was brought up to believe he was sired by Bill Blythe, an accused bigamist Sired? How many posts on this thread will it take for someone to declare that Clinton, being the Antichrist, was fathered by you know who? Jerry The Pope? J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apocalypse 2000
-Caveat Lector- No, he was predicting that his record sales would eventually be zero zero by 1999. Stopforth, Jamie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I always wondered what "Prince" or "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" meant in his song "1999" when he said... "Two-thousand, zero, zero party's over, it's out of time." I guess I know now... Wonder if he was knowingly referring to the Y2K computer glitch or if it's just a weird coincidence... Jamie The usual breathtaking insights from Michael Hoffman. -Original Message- From: Michael A. Hoffman II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 12:32 PM Subject: Michael A. Hoffman II on: Apocalypse 2000 Apocalypse 2000 Copyright©1999 by Michael A. Hoffman II http://www.hoffman-info.com As we approach the Year 2000 and millennial madness begins to manifest in all its amusing pagan frenzy, I am not so much interested in the claims made for what shall or shall not transpire after the great chronological divide has been crossed, but rather in what people believe about those claims. There may be little of consequence in the claim of industrial and technological collapse on Jan. 1, 2000 but if people believe a catastrophe will occur, they will by their own volition and credulity, make it come to pass. The widespread belief in and resulting panic associated with the Y2K doom scenario indicates an enormous fatigue. The denizens of the technological imperium are weary of their gadgets and believe they should be punished for using them, so they conceive of a world reduced to the Neolithic. I do not believe that a population of superior people would have any significant difficulties with ³Y2K² since the history of the West is the history of surmounting technological difficulties. I have seen some hint that a technological remedy to the Y2K computer glitch has been at hand since last summer but is being withheld. But aside from that, I am fascinating by the emergence of the cult of limitation which accompanies the mob reaction to Y2K. Suddenly man is paralyzed by two zeros. Two zeros in a Unix system will collapse western civilization. What a complete reversal of the spirit of OE69, which saw German scientists Arthur Rudolf and Werner Von Braun place men on the moon. Yet this new sense of limitation is not all bad. It signifies a profound anxiety over the direction of our technological imperium as it grows increasingly alien and artificial, particularly in the pharmaceutical usurpation of agriculture and the growth of gene-manipulated modern ³foods.² But these appropriate concerns are being manipulated and diverted into mob panic. Monsanto and the other corporations who are at present the equivalent of the city-states of Medici Italy--that is to say, nations unto themselves on the British East India model--will emerge stronger after the Y2K millennial panic is in full swing, as will FEMA and the other departments of the Federal leviathan. The rulers of the age require chiefly one form of energy from the masses: fear. The chief agent of these rulers in our time is the American right wing, the greatest repository of fear and fear-mongering rumors, which almost always concern the alleged enormous power of our rulers and the dark fate they have in store for us. Being cowans and dupes, these rightists have no ³knowledge of the equilibrium,² no knowledge that fear is the glue that holds the Evil Empire together. More than an adhesive, fear is a magnet, attracting precisely that which is most feared and bringing it into materialization as reality. It is for this reason that the Bible states, ³Fear God and you need fear no other.² But the American right wing is a cesspool of fear--fear of the U.N., the FBI, Bill Clinton, the ³Jews,² and the media. They have woven these disparate forces into an invincible web of power over themselves and constantly imagine impending doom and gloom. Without even knowing it, the Right is practicing pagan sorcery by just such means. I have just described the mechanics of primitive witchcraft, or perhaps we should call this self-fulfilling prophecy, ³wishcraft.² It has been used by harlequin hucksters at market stands of the Middle Ages and in our day by Gallup pollsters, Madison Avenue advertisers and a legion of agents planted deep in the right wing as well as in the pulpits of Judeo-Churchianity, both Catholic and Protestant. To the historian this ³End Time² situation is so familiar as to be humorous. On December 31 of the year 999, at the steps of the old basilica of St. Peter¹s in Rome, a throng of weeping, cowering and trembling peasants awaited the end of the world. They fought with one another and tore at each others garments. Some had purchased various amulets and ³relics² at great cost to ward off the impending ³doom.² Others had abandoned their homes in the towns and joined
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Re: government subsidies. I don't disagree with you on this point. Why should the government subsidize a particular economic sector (or special interest group) and not others? But that is how the game of power is played. The government is particularly generous to business interests of various sorts: Savings and Loan bailouts, bailouts to Mexican investors, bailouts to Wall Street junk bond investors, subsidies to defense contractors not to mention billions of dollars in armaments to oppressive dictators in central America, South America and wherever else peasants are seeking to overthrow their rulers. So, the subject of tax dollars going to finance any number of dubious schemes/boondoggles/etc. is a complex one. My tax dollars have supported the murder of millions of peasants around the world... in order to help some greedy corporate elites to make money off of the misery of poor people... I had no vote on the matter. Why should my tax dollars go to support United Fruit in Guatemala and El Salvador? Re: NAFTA American workers have seen their businesses sent to Mexico...thanks to NAFTA. Are you aware of the fact that government agencies work with private businesses to help them close down their American operations to move to slave labor markets overseas? Re: "sending kids off to war." Your caustic comment notwithstanding, you nor I wouldn't be enjoying the freedoms we do have, if it wasn't for the sacrifice of others... Perhaps, they were "stupid" to fight for this country. I don't think so. Re: "paying bills." People have been paying YOUR bill for a long time. They paid at Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Omaha, and a helluva lot of other places.. so you OWE something to this country... A lot of Americans have paid the price so that you can have your miserable little life. You should be proud to be a citizen...greatful to have the money to pay. Or maybe it's time for you to move to the Cayman Islands or some taxhaven with others of your ilk. Regards, Wm On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- You need to do some research on the subject, H. (with all due respect). The Canadian government is subsidizing their producers. I don't care at all what the Canadian govm't subsidizes or doesn't subsidize. I would be delighted if they bought every grain of Canadian wheat and gave it to me free. Your remarks about agricultural subsidies demonstrates your basic lack of knowledge about conditions in the agricultural sector. I freely admit to "lack of knowledge" about conditions in the agricultural sector. However, I don't have to have a great deal of knowledge to know that it is wrong for the govm't to take MY money, against my will, and give it to farmers. Anything beyond that knowledge on the subject of subsidies is immaterial. By the way, I just read in this morning's Dallas Morning News that the U.S. Agriculture Dept (which has more employees than there are farmers in the U.S.) has "settled a lawsuit" with Negro farmers, in which the "farmers" will get a $50,000 cash award, plus all debts to the govm't will be canceled, which are estimated to be between $75,000 and $100,000 each. Do I have to be more knowlegable than that to know that I'm being screwed? The reason why you should "buy American" is quite simple. Your dollars are going to insure the continued productivity of our domestic economy. You've taken the bait, I see. You're telling me that I have some obligation to support people who otherwise cannot make a living at their chosen profession. Sir, I am not responsible for their inept farming or business practices, nor for their choice of how to make a living. They aren't responsible for mine either, by the way. The wheat farmers are Americans who pay taxes, send their kids off to war to protect the country. I pay my taxes, too... But I don't get a subsidy from farmers so I can be self-employed... And as for sending their kids off to war, then they are stupid to boot. I am not responsible for other peoples' stupidity. If the wheat farmers do well economically, rural America does well... So, I should pay higher prices than the free market will bear is that right? So "rural America will do well"??? And, by the same token, I should pay higher prices for automobiles so the United Autoworkers will do well? And exhorbitant taxes to support inferior schools so the teachers "will do well?" Give me a break! The agricultural sector supports thousands of small businesses throughout the American Midwest. Each dollar that is spent in a rural community is "rolled over" several times through that community. Good... Spend your own dollars, and stop taking mine... If that's your objective, go right ahead... But don't force me support people who don't give a damn whether or not I have to pay too much for what I buy. When you buy American
[CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk. PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need. BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by exchicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need. FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk. PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk. RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you. SINGAPOREAN DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment. MILITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you. PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk. REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk. AMERICAN DEMOCRACY: The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate". BRITISH DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad. The government doesn't do anything. BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.. ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows. CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. HONG KONG CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother in law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows. The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company. The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shiu is bad. ENVIRONMENTALISM: You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them. FEMINISM: You have two cows. They get married and adopt a veal calf. TOTALITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned. COUNTER CULTURE: Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man. You got to have some of this milk. SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. LIBERTARIANISM: You have two cows. One has actually read the constitution, believes in it, and has some really good ideas about government. The cow runs for office, and while most people agree that the cow is the best candidate, nobody except the other cow votes for her because they think it would be "throwing their vote away." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Cain and Abel: True Model For Progressive Thought]
-Caveat Lector- Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The true nature of revolution is revealed in a recent book by Frank J. Sulloway, "Born To Rebel." (New York: Random House, 1996. ISBN: 0-679-44232-4.) Sullowayargues that rebelliousness is statistically discernable by Darwinian niche. snip Statistical evidence that the true revolutionaries tend to be the later borns; that the first-borns tend to identify with authority. snip With all due respect, this is so much hogwash. I have Sulloway's book; I've read part of it, but didn't finish it. I am a first-born. My wife is a first-born. In each of our families, we were the rebels, the ones who resisted the established order; it was our younger siblings who succeeded academically and moved into positions of authority in society. "Success," as the world measures success, has been a long time coming for us...but we have accumulated lots of scars in the struggle against the Oligarchy and its minions. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Midwife who delivered Clinton adds fuel to row over his birt
-Caveat Lector- Dig up Bill Blythe! Order a DNA test! Best, Harry Allen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- At 03:15 PM 1/5/99 -0500, Howard Davis wrote: -Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: it takes a white man to make a wasteland Well, I don't think that is completely accurate, even if perhaps it is true that "white men" are the masters of this ability and could, in fact, turn the whole earth into a waste land. However, I believe that men of other ethnicity have been able to do this (although to a limited extent). For instance, Lebenon was once known for its forests. I understand that has greatly changed. Many other areas of the earth have also been depleted. I believe this was the case in many parts of the "New World" even before the arrival of the "white man". So, I would not wish to appear racist by saying "white men" are the only ones who have been able to demonstrate this ability. best wishes, Howard Davis Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [FTC] Dangerous NAFTA Trucks Invade US
Dear Friends, "The report said that a "direct correlation" exists between the condition of Mexican trucks entering U.S. commercial zones and the amount of inspection resources at the border. With the best inspection practices, the condition of trucks entering California are "much better" than those entering other border states...Mexican trucks entering through Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas are unlikely to face inspection since those states do not have enough inspectors on duty during all commercial hours..." Not only are these trucks dangerous to innocent American drivers, but who knows what these massive boxcars have hidden inside them? FTC-Linda -- Daily Report For Executives Tuesday, January 05, 1999 Few Mexican Trucks Face Inspection, DOT Inspector General Report Charges A Department of Transportation Office of Inspector General report has found that "far too few trucks" are being inspected at the U.S.-Mexico border, with the exception of California. "At one crossing in El Paso, Texas, which receives an average of 1,300 trucks daily, only one inspector is on duty and he can inspect only 10 to 14 trucks daily. At other crossings, there are times when there is no inspector at all," according to a memorandum accompanying the report. Of the trucks inspected, almost half do not comply with U.S. safety standards, the report, released on DOT's web site Jan. 4, found. The report said that 44 percent of inspected trucks from Mexico were turned away because of safety violations. The report addressed the Federal Highway Administration's programs to ensure the safety of commercial trucks entering the United States from Mexico and Canada. It focused on plans to implement North American Free Trade Agreement provisions on cross-border trucking with Mexico. Mexican trucks are currently limited to operate in designated commercial zones, which generally encompass areas extending up to 20 miles north of U.S. border cities. In December 1995, the United States put on hold trucking applications from Mexican carriers seeking to operate freely in U.S. border states pursuant to NAFTA provisions. The United States has conducted discussions with Mexico on highway safety rules but the dispute remains unresolved. Under NAFTA, commercial trucks should be able to travel the interiors of the three NAFTA countries by Jan. 1, 2000. More Inspectors Urged Actions being undertaken to prepare for the opening of the U.S.-Mexico border to Mexican long-haul trucks do not provide "reasonable assurance" that the trucks will comply with U.S. safety standards, the report stated. "With the exception of California, neither FHWA's nor the States' plans provide for an adequate presence of inspectors at border crossings for trucks currently operating in the commercial zones ... A more robust border inspection presence is needed, at least in the near term, to both encourage and reinforce the importance of Mexican efforts to establish its own safety oversight program," the report said. FMWA, the report continued, was looking to the states to provide needed inspectors rather than providing federal resources. The border states, except for California, failed to provide enough inspectors at border crossings but looked to the federal government to provide inspectors, it added. The report said that a "direct correlation" exists between the condition of Mexican trucks entering U.S. commercial zones and the amount of inspection resources at the border. With the best inspection practices, the condition of trucks entering California are "much better" than those entering other border states, the report said. Mexican trucks entering through Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas are unlikely to face inspection since those states do not have enough inspectors on duty during all commercial hours. The report recommended several alternatives for increasing the number of inspectors at the border, with costs ranging from about $3 million to about $7 million. Because of inconsistencies in approaches, FHWA needs a NAFTA program director to oversee an effective cross-border traffic management program, the report urged. Better coordination is also called for among the federal entities monitoring border activities, the report urged. "Visits to a border crossing clearly show considerable vehicle congestion. Multiple Federal and State agencies have jurisdiction over a variety of border-crossing issues and differing inspection responsibilities, which need to be balanced with the expeditious movement of traffic," the report said. Another recommendation made by the report was the establishment of a federal interagency group to coordinate border issues. "Although views differ about whether a 44 percent out-of-service rate for Mexican trucks is statistically representative of the universe of Mexican trucks that are noncompliant, there currently is no other measure to use as a frame of reference;
[CTRL] U.S. Fighter Jets Fire on Iraq Planes
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="aol://4344:3167.nofly.21051279.600018242"A Look at the 'No-Fly' Zones/A U.S. Fighter Jets Fire on Iraq Planes By ROBERT BURNS .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (Jan. 5) - Four U.S. fighter jets fired missiles at Iraqi planes today in the ''no-fly'' zone over southern Iraq, a senior U.S. administration official said. It was the first American-Iraqi air-to-air confrontation in more than six years. The U.S. missiles apparently failed to hit the Iraqi planes, although one Iraqi plane was believed to have crashed, apparently after running out of fuel, the official said. The official Iraqi News Agency said Iraqi planes ''confronted and clashed with the aggressive British and American aircraft'' before ''the aggressive aircraft withdrew. All of our air force planes returned to base safely.'' The American planes - two Air Force F-15 strike aircraft and two Navy F-14 fighters - returned safely after the confrontation, the U.S. official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. The Navy planes were from the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson. The incident, which happened at about 2:30 a.m. EST, marked an escalation of tensions between Iraq and the United States and Britain over enforcing the ''no-fly'' zones in northern and southern Iraq. Iraq considers the restrictions illegal and has vowed to defy them. President Clinton has said U.S. and British forces will continue banning Iraqi flights in the restricted zones, arguing that Saddam Hussein's military still represents a threat to minority Kurds in the north and Shiite Muslims in the south. David Leavy, spokesman for the White House National Security Council, said today, ''The president has made it clear we will enforce the no-fly zones vigorously. The Iraqi violations are at their own peril.'' A senior Pentagon official said the air-to-air altercation was the first in Iraq since Dec. 27, 1992, when a U.S. F-16 shot down an Iraqi MiG-25. Pentagon spokesman Ken Bacon said there were two separate incidents 15 minutes apart, one involving U.S. F-15s and Iraqi MiG-25s, the other U.S. F-14s and MiG-25s. U.S. warplanes fired a total of six missiles during the two incidents. All told, military officials counted eight separate violations of the no-fly zone today involving 13 to 15 Iraqi aircraft. The Iraqi planes turned quickly after being fired upon, Bacon said. ''They escaped without being shot down.'' At a Pentagon briefing, Bacon defended the accuracy of the missiles. ''Air-to-air combat is an extremely engaging and demanding type of war,'' he said, adding there were still several unknowns, including the distance between the aircraft when the missiles were fired. Bacon said there were reports that a MiG crashed because it ran out of gas. ''We believe that to be the case but we do not have certainty on that right now,'' he said. Prior to today, there had been two incidents in the no-fly zones - neither involving air-to-air combat - since the U.S. and British airstrikes of Dec. 16-19. On Dec. 28, U.S. warplanes fired on an Iraqi surface-to-air missile battery in the northern zone after being fired on from the ground. Iraq said four Iraqi soldiers were killed and seven wounded. On Dec. 30, U.S. warplanes hit an anti-aircraft battery in the south. Iraq says a farmer was killed and two other civilians wounded. Saddam announced earlier in a statement read on state-run Iraq television that the no-fly zones imposed on his country have no basis in international law and vowed that Iraq will fight violations of its airspace ''with all its courage and bravery.'' Meantime, the State Department said one of Saddam's sons directed the murder of hundreds of Iraqi dissidents last November in the Shiite region of southern Iraq. Spokesman James P. Rubin said Monday that tensions in the south, a stronghold of anti-Saddam sentiment, rose after the assassinations of two senior Islamic clerics this summer. He said there have been reports of mass arrests throughout the southern region and in the Shiite areas outside Baghdad over the past six weeks - in addition to hundreds of summary executions of dissidents at two prisons. ''The repression reportedly reached a peak in November, with hundreds killed in actions directed personally by Qusai Hussein,'' Rubin said. ''Regime military action against the Shiites is an intrinsic and continuing part of this campaign of repression. Since 1991 the regime has been carrying out the widespread and brutal repression of the Shiite population of southern Iraq.'' Rubin said opposition sources from the Shiite areas reported that seven villages were recently destroyed or turned into military outposts. He added that more than 2,000 civilians who were unable to flee were reportedly taken hostage by regime forces and possibly sent to Baghdad. They were made up largely of the old, the infirm, women and children, he said. AP-NY-01-05-99 1445EST Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. The information contained in
Re: [CTRL] Pesticide Exposure Affects Male Fertility
-Caveat Lector- So who markets and uses these pesticides? That would seem to be the meat of the matter. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Update on London Shell Office occupation
Update on yesterday's Ogoni Day Occupation of Shell's London offices. Contents: 1. News Release from London Activists 2. Article from Environmental News Services 3. Update from NoMoreShell UK webpage - 1. News Release from London Activists - UKOOA News release Tuesday, January 5, 1999 Shell protest activists pledge to step up campaigns through 1999 Yesterday's protest at Shell-Mex House in the Strand, London, ended with the environmental and human rights activists released without charge and pledging to continue challenging corporate hegemony. Police ejected the protesters from the building for a second time today as they leafleted Shell workers in the building's foyer. The action on January 4 involved a dozen smartly dressed anti-corporate executives breaching security to enter the building. They then barricaded themselves into top management offices including those of the new Shell-UK boss Malcolm Brinded and outgoing boss Chris Fay. From the offices the protesters used a lap-top computer and mobile phone to relay live pictures and updates of the protest to a Shell-style website at http://www.kemptown.org/shell After 6 hours, riot police smashed through the office walls and arrested all the protesters. The activists described the protest as an act of solidarity with indigenous resistance to Shell in Nigeria. The protesters in London demanded compliance with the demands of the Ijaw ethnic group for Shell to leave their traditional lands and for an end to corporate-backed military repression. Chris Fay refused to negotiate with the activists and called the Ijaw demands 'irrational.' Killings of Niger Delta activists by soldiers were reported yesterday by Nigerian based groups Environmental Rights Action and ND-HERO as having reached 240 since the New Year. The killings follow an increase of direct action in the Niger Delta over the last 2 years by youths angry at the continuing poverty of the oil-rich areas and the pollution caused by oil companies's outdated equipment and negligent performance. 500 Ijaw communities from across the Niger Delta had issued the Kaiama Declaration on 11 December 1998 giving Shell, Chevron and other transnationals until 30 December 1998 to leave their land - or face eviction. Military Administrator of Bayelsa State, Lt. Col Paul Obi, declared a State of Emergency, suspending all civil liberties and imposing a dusk-to-dawn curfew on the entire state, the first such declaration since the Biafra-Nigeria civil war. They Ijaws launched Operation Climate Change on January 1, 1999, saying that activists would shut down oil flow stations and their polluting gas flares between January 1 and 10. Thousands of troops have now been sent to smash occupations of oil installations, disperse rallies and provide a military shield for continued oil production across the Delta. The activists in London chose the first day of work in the last year before the new Millenium to send a message to corporations that 1999 will be a year of increased globalisation of protest. Activists said that the Shell protest gave a foretaste of direct action to come. A spokesperson said yesterday, "We mean business. This is the turning point that will see the end of corporate dominance." For further information, contact (+44) (0) 958 795198, or DELTA on (+44) (0) 116 270 9616 or (+44) (0) 181 806 2253. Visit http://www.kemptown.org/shellwww.kemptown.org/shell for more details and images of the protest. ends Update on yesterday's Ogoni Day Occupation of Shell's London offices. Contents: 1. News Release from London Activists 2. Article from Environmental News Services 3. Update from NoMoreShell UK webpage - 1. News Release from London Activists - UKOOA News release Tuesday, January 5, 1999 Shell protest activists pledge to step up campaigns through 1999 Yesterday's protest at Shell-Mex House in the Strand, London, ended with the environmental and human rights activists released without charge and pledging to continue challenging corporate hegemony. Police ejected the protesters from the building for a second time today as they leafleted Shell workers in the building's foyer. The action on January 4 involved a dozen smartly dressed anti-corporate executives breaching security to enter the building. They then barricaded themselves into top management offices including those of the new Shell-UK boss Malcolm Brinded and outgoing boss Chris Fay. From the offices the protesters used a lap-top computer and mobile phone to relay live pictures and updates of the protest to a Shell-style website at http://www.kemptown.org/shell After 6 hours, riot police smashed through the office walls and arrested all
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Barb glad to see you back on your medication barb. the putrifaction of your acidic parambulations are almost legible. give my best to the m.h. workers at the home and a hearty "well done". grinnin' chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The BIG Picture..part 2
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each new dispensation extends the horizon of revealed religion, and the Magisterial Sons extend the revelation of truth to portray the affairs of the local universe and all its tributaries. I thought you said that "Uranchia" is not a religion? best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] ALERT - NO CIA DRUG HEARINGS IN JANUARY! - Calculus Unchanged
From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIA-DRUGS ALERT! THERE WILL BE NO HEARINGS ON VOLUME II IN THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE IN FEBRUARY 11:53 AM - Tues, Jan, 5, 1998 Los Angeles - Just minutes ago I hung up after speaking with a source on the House Permanent Select committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). The source stated that, contrary to previously published reports in The San Jose Mercury News, it would not be possible for HPSCI to hold hearings on Volume II any sooner than February. The cited reasons for this are telling. The Committee is not yet constituted and there are several key vacancies. Ranking Democrat Norman Dicks (D), Washington has rotated out of the Committee after eight years. This was mandatory. Jane Harman (R) CA, left the House to run for Governor and Congressman David Skaggs (D), CO has retired. These vacancies leave open the possibility for serious and important developments. The Ranking Democratic member will wield enormous influence and will, next to the Chairman (retired CIA operative Porter Goss), have a lot to say about the scope and nature of the hearings on Vol. II. The new ranking member will be chosen by House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt who will, no doubt, consult with President Clinton beforehand. Wish List: Maxine Waters as a new member of the Committee. Better yet - as ranking member! Given the pressure already placed on the Committee by public pressure to hold well publicized hearings with a reasonable witness list I now think it unlikely that HPSCI will hold hearings at all before the planned April 29th demonstration at Florence and Normandie. My story on the Calculus of Impeachment including CIA drug dealing has been picked up by the Progressive Review www.prorev.com and apparently the Drudge report as well. I had four visitors to my web site, www.copvcia.com, this AM from the drudge page. The progressive review has added additional material making my scenario even more likely and credible. That story is producing the biggest "AHA!" I have ever heard from both the left and the right. A lot of people are now actually reading Vol. II. Remember that the Bully Pulpit can, at any time, draw attention to Volume II. So can the people if they put their mind to it. Mike Ruppert From The Wilderness www.copvcia.com To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Cain and Abel: True Model For Progressive Thought]
-Caveat Lector- Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The true nature of revolution is revealed in a recent book by Frank J. Sulloway, "Born To Rebel." (New York: Random House, 1996. ISBN: 0-679-44232-4.) Sullowayargues that rebelliousness is statistically discernable by Darwinian niche. snip Statistical evidence that the true revolutionaries tend to be the later borns; that the first-borns tend to identify with authority. snip With all due respect, this is so much hogwash. I have Sulloway's book; I've read part of it, but didn't finish it. I am a first-born. My wife is a first-born. In each of our families, we were the rebels, the ones who resisted the established order; it was our younger siblings who succeeded academically and moved into positions of authority in society. "Success," as the world measures success, has been a long time coming for us...but we have accumulated lots of scars in the struggle against the Oligarchy and its minions. Bob I also question the first born/later born theory. In my family I am the oldest of three males. In terms of "radicalness" I would say that my youngest brother is most radical, my younger brother least, and I am some where in the middle closest to my youngest brother. In some ways, though, I may be more radical then he. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Sorry, I'll be more careful next time. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Message from RMNews Sources to RMNews Readers URGENT
FYI --not an endorsement--Omk Kris, I'm curious by this statement. Do you find RuMills not a reliable source of information? Hilary
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES]
-Caveat Lector- Carl Amedio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES snip Here is a brief profile of its interests: o It wants the U.S. to nationalize health care, start a nuclear freeze, adopt national energy policies and pass more gun-control laws. o At its 1998 convention, the NEA passed resolutions denouncing school vouchers and opposing home schooling -- and it has taken stands against testing of teachers. o It believes environmental education should encourage "protection of the Earth's finite resources" and raise awareness of overpopulation, "global warming, ozone depletion and acid precipitation." o It claims that all people have a right to housing and health insurance at taxpayers' expense, and would use money saved from any reductions in the defense budget for "alternative civilian uses, including education" -- rather than for tax cuts. snip Sounds good to me... Honestly, I'd vote for any candidate who ran on these points as a platform! If that makes me a Socialist or Communist or something, so be it...but these points make a *hell* of a lot more sense than the crap spewed forth by the Republicrats and Demipublicans. And if the NEA has the funds to pay to elect people who will actually do something *for* the citizens of this country instead of *to* us, then more power to them... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Thank you, Hawk, for the documentation. I apologize for any ad hominem remarks I might have made.. I have read Vogel. (I have a degree in American history.) Vogel argued that the majority of slaves were not inhumanely or cruelly treated.. I would agree (if we define inhumane treatment in terms of whippings, beatings, and being malnourished.) Yes, the slaveowners did take care of their property. But even the pampered "house niggers" could be bought and sold at the whim of their masters.. Re: Biblical support for slavery. Of course. "Slaves obey your masters," etc... Sure. Slavery was a respected institution in the ancient world... no doubt about it. As well as the Biblical injunction to not tolerate witches, etc. The Bible condoned a number of questionable practices.. I haven't read Dabney...but I have read the pro-slavery tracts of the period and I'm familiar with the arguments. On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote: William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- If you are going to spew forth such absolute bullshit, please document it. What academic sources are you using in your "research" on the conditions of blacks in the American South during the days of slavery? Not that I think you will bother to check it out, but one primary source is "Time On the Cross - The Economics of American Negro Slavery," by Pulitzer Prize-winning economist Robert W. Fogel. This is an extremely well-documented book by a man who's initial purpose was to debunk the idea that slavery as practiced in the South was inhumane and cruel. The facts didn't substantiate his thesis, but he was principled enough to publish the book anyway. He wrote a later book in which he expressed his disapproval of slavery on "moral" grounds... But the facts I mentioned were accurate non-the-less. You might also want to read "A Defense of Virginia and the South," by R.L. Dabney. Regarding the "moral" aspect, I suggest a reading of the Bible and its teachings on the institution of slavery. Hawk ps... I sent this to the list as well as to you personally, since I received a note from the list that I had exceeded my daily limit of seven postings. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES]
-Caveat Lector- Robert Tatman wrote: THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES snip Here is a brief profile of its interests: snip Sounds good to me... Honestly, I'd vote for any candidate who ran on these points as a platform! If that makes me a Socialist or Communist or something, so be it... Well, Sir, you sure did identify yourself properly Each of the proposals is increased "people control" by a central government. You'd have loved Russia under Stalin. but these points make a *hell* of a lot more sense than the crap spewed forth by the Republicrats and Demipublicans. Actually, its the same "crap." And if the NEA has the funds to pay to elect people who will actually do something *for* the citizens of this country instead of *to* us, then more power to them... They cannot do something FOR "us" without first doing something TO "us." Just keep that in mind when you're begging them to do it "to others" in favor of your crowd.. There's always a different crowd begging them to do something "to you" for their benefit Its really pretty simple. It boils down to "There ain't no free lunch." Somebody has to pay for all the "goodies" other people get. Whenever ANYONE gets "something for nothing," someone else got "Nothing for something." Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Jan 99 , nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- SnoOwl: On this one, I am in total agreement with you. This feces is getting sickening! If this turns out to be a farce, as so many of Drudge's "reports" have proven to be, here's hoping Clinton sues this man a new bung-hole. No one is served by this kind of tripe. Edward The absolute nastiness of this sort of stuff is that Drudge and his like know that it doesn't matter if the story is true or not. The story will stick in the public mind and no one will pay much attention to the refutation--if and when it comes. This is the total corruption of journalism and does not relate to "news." It is the very core of character assassination--whether it has to do with Richard Jewel or Bill Clinton or whoever. And this group is suspect for being titillated by this kind of garbage. Let Drudge wait until the DNA test comes through. Only then is there a story.or no story at all. The name of Drudge's story is "The Humiliation of the U.S. President." No one deserves to be treated this way in the press. Even Larry Flynt knows better. sno0wl Why are youassuming it's not true? J2 I'm assuming nothing. I just think that stories like this should not be printed unless the facts are in and they ARE true. That someone thinks they might be true, does not make such stories newsworthy. And in the process, much personal damage is done all round. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Doomsday Cult
-Caveat Lector- On 3 Jan 99 , Boogie wrote: EIGHT members of an American doomsday cult were arrested in Jerusalem yesterday, suspected of planning a shoot-out with police which, they believe, would hasten the end of the world and take them to heaven. According to Israeli police, the cultists, who had six children with them, planned "extremists acts" on Jerusalem streets in the final days of 1999 to hasten the second coming of the Messiah. A police source said the cult members believed that being killed by police "would lead them to heaven and start the process of bringing Jesus back to life". Violence was planned for Jerusalem's Old City, possibly the Temple Mount, site of the Jewish temple destroyed in AD 70 and now occupied by the Muslim shrine of the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosque. The group is an advance guard of 78 members of the Concerned Christians cult who sold their property and disappeared from Denver last October and were believed to be heading to Jerusalem. Their leader, Monte Kim Miller, Okay--so they're rounding up these folks because there is a possibility that they are a danger to themselves and others. Now...where do they put them until after the Millenium event? Will they be contained somewhere? Monitored? Let free but with limited freedom to move or travel? Have they done anything illegal YET, other than leave their homes and move to Jerusalem? Seems like a double-bind here. And an interesting ethical and human rights issue. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men an...
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? There are "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were at Vicksburg. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and sabotaged when possible. There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some shred of fairness considering the relationship. The real point is that every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. I was born and raised in Michigan. Most of my ancestors were in Europe at the time, though I believe one was an doctor in the Union army. However, I have lived in Atlanta since I was 15 so it may be charged that I am not neutral on this. (Interestingly, many of my friends who are the descendents of slave owners and Confederate soldiers probably believe as you). After many years of study (especially through input from a black friend of mine and observation of southerners of both races over the past thirty plus years) I have come to the conclusion that the nation and the south and even the black population of the south would probably have been better off if Lincoln had not forced the south through military means back into the union. (And, I believe that slavery probably would have ended within 20 years and subsequent relations between the races would have been much better). I believe now that the "Civil War" was mainly caused by the tariff question and only exasperated by the slave issue. (Lincoln in his first inaugural address invites the south back into the union with slavery, but paying tariffs). These tariffs were designed to benefit the northern manufacturers and helped to create the "robber barrons". The post "Civil War" result was great hardship on both the white and black races in the south. To say that the "every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner" shows a complete lack of knowledge about the war and its effects. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Last word on AOL and Irish forums
[I have attached a long note from AOL followed by a number of responses. Although I have my own opinions on the Irish conflict, I will stay out of this debate. --Declan] * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:21:49 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Irish Forum I saw some of the traffic regarding the Irish Heritage message boards and wanted to provide you with some additional information. The Ireland message boards in the International Channel of the US service were taken down on December 11, after repeated postings that violated our Terms of Service. The boards were cleaned up and reopened on December 28th. The TOS violations included profanity, vulgarity and personal threats. TOS and other policies for the boards are clearly posted in the area. Below I'm including the posting announcing the reopening of the boards as well as the "Content of Posts" language that spells out the policies for the Boards. I hope this is helpful. Let me know if you need more information or give me a call at 703/265-2896. Thanks. Jim Whitney _ Subject: Ireland Reopening Date: 12/28/98 1:26 PM Eastern Standard Time From: A HREF="aol://3548:Intf Ravon"Intf Ravon/A Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear members, You'll note a new politics folder has been opened. We encourage you to make this a more amiable place where any person, regardless of faction, can openly discuss political issues and current events. So many of you have a wealth of knowledge from past personal history, family connections or just being well abreast of the relevant issues. We welcome you back to the International Channel boards and invite you to share that information with your fellow posters. We encourage and remind you to debate issues only, and not resort to personal attacks or member harassment. If you believe a post is in violation of AOL's Terms of Service or Channel Policy, the following steps should now be taken to report that violation. Go to: A HREF="aol://1391:43-25107"Keyword: Notify AOL/A A HREF="aol://1391:43-25107"Message Boards/A You will need the complete path to the post. For the politics folder, that path would be: Keyword: Ireland Message Boards Economy Politics Politics post name You must include all of the above. Copy the entire post and paste it in the appropriate area and if possible, include the violation that is being reported. Example: Violation: Vulgarity Additionally, as quoted at A HREF="aol://1391:43-25107"Keyword: Notify AOL /A... Please remember, in cases where you feel threatened or believe that someone else is in danger, you should contact your local law enforcement agency immediately. To report cases of suspected child exploitation, please go to the National Center for Missing Exploited Children's CyberTipline at A HREF="http://www.missingkids.com/cybertip/"http://www.missingkids.com/cybe rtip//A Again, welcome back and may you all find peace in 1999. Sincerely, Intf Ravon Department Manager International Channel Message Boards ___ Content of Posts ** Please remember that these are public A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:89768" message boards/A, and even though sometimes they appear to be "private" (in that the same several members maintain a continous dialogue), they are not. All AOL members, including children, have access to these areas. 4 ** Irish Heritage message board monitors are here to insure smooth operation of the Forum, not to play dictator or babysitter. When required, posts will be removed. INTF volunteers are also AOL members, and will not submit to harassment, any more than would any AOL member. ** AOL's Terms of Service agreement is always in effect, and will be enforced. TOS rules can be read at Keyword: A HREF="aol://1391:41-4688"TOS /A. Profanity, vulgarity and member harassment will not be tolerated. INTF volunteers are not Terms of Service staff; they report violations in the same manner as members. ** Posts inappropriate to the area will be deleted. ** Chronic offenders may find posts removed without notification, and recurring problems will be reported to TOS. ** Get involved as much as you like in the discussions! The folders in our areas are open to all members. ** As well as you can, format your posts to look like the print in a respectable newspaper. That means employing capital and lowercase letters in a traditional manner. . . neither all caps, nor all lowercase. ;) Capital letters look like SOUTING on a board, making a message written entirely in capital letters an eyesore. ** Feel free to suggest new folders if you think your message warrants one, but please don't be offended if we change the name slightly. ** If you would ever like a post deleted or reviewed, send e-mail to the board monitor, noting the date of the post, and the subject line. ** Our message boards are here for the purpose of discussing various topics. They are not
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: DM in OTO?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack I was the New England Head Of the OTO then after my leaving I was ordained a priest, followed by arch-priest,then consecration as a bishop in the Independent Catholic Church which later evolved into the Independent Gnostic Catholic Church under the Patriarchy of our beloved Carl LaFleur, who made me the Cardinal/Arch-bishop of the NWP2. The IGCC has absolutely no ties to the OTO Daemon. To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites to unsubscribe, contact list-managers [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] nurev: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: I'm assuming nothing. I just think that stories like this should not be printed unless the facts are in and they ARE true. Let's examine your position here Did Druge say that Slick was the father of the boy? No, not to my knowledge. Did he say that a certain woman claimed that he impregnated her? Yes. Did she make that claim? Yes. Did she support her claim with some kind of evidence? Yes (lie detector test). So, based on these things, the story as printed WAS factual. What the readers infered may or may not be. That remains to be seen. That someone thinks they might be true, does not make such stories newsworthy. There are reports every day where someone claims to have been robbed, or beaten, or tricked, or whatever. The news report should be "So and so CLAIMED that thus and so happened to them." Should we wait until after the trial to report the incident? And in the process, much personal damage is done all round. If one sleeps with the dogs, he should expect to have fleas. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Cain and Abel: True Model For Progressive Thought]
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The true nature of revolution is revealed in a recent book by Frank J. Sulloway, "Born To Rebel." (New York: Random House, 1996. ISBN: 0-679-44232-4.) Sullowayargues that rebelliousness is statistically discernable by Darwinian niche. snip Statistical evidence that the true revolutionaries tend to be the later borns; that the first-borns tend to identify with authority. snip With all due respect, this is so much hogwash. I have Sulloway's book; I've read part of it, but didn't finish it. I am a first-born. My wife is a first-born. In each of our families, we were the rebels, the ones who resisted the established order; it was our younger siblings who succeeded academically and moved into positions of authority in society. "Success," as the world measures success, has been a long time coming for us...but we have accumulated lots of scars in the struggle against the Oligarchy and its minions. Since you've read some of Sulloway's book, you must know that Sulloway does not claim there are no exceptions to his firstborn/later-born findings. You'll probably remember that Sulloway analyzes biographical information via statistics, and that his statistics always show correlation but never 100 percent correlation. "Rhea Fortean", a key contributor to CNNS also happens to be a firstborn yet in her case, as well as yours, she proves the exception to the rule. That doesn't negate Sulloway's "rule of thumb," since he never claims it's always true. Brian Redman Editor, Conspiracy Nation News Service DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Readiness
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org ""US military spending has declined steadily since the end of the Cold War, with the exception of 1991, when there was a brief upswing to pay for the Persian Gulf war. (Most of the costs of this military operation were subsidized by Japan, Germany and other nations heavily dependent on oil imports from the region.)"" This is Bushie's watch ""Senator James Imhofe of Oklahoma, chairman of the Senate subcommittee on military preparedness and a close ally of the Christian Coalition, attacked Clinton's budget proposal, saying, "He's personally responsible for the defamation of our defense system and our hollow forces. The president is going to try to make it look like he's a pro-defense president. It's an outrage." "" This fellow's only been around since 1994 due to a special election. He needs to go back and read his history, spreadsheets, and analyze the policies set by Bushie for the redistirbution of $$$ following the "Cold War". Clinton, to his credit or discredit, has followed much of the path paved for him by his predecessor -- including Iraq. Now he's got the Soviets to be concerned about given the recent turn of events in the Persian Gulf. Then read the last paragraph or two of the article. This guy makes even less sense. It's finally hit home for the Puzzle Palace that our forces are 'hollow' due to the 'world's policeman' role the U.S. has taken -- BEGINNING with Desert Shield/Storm or Grenada or Haiti or Somalia, I forget which came first, but it was pre-1993. WSWS : News Analysis : North America $110 billion more for Pentagon over six years Clinton to propose biggest military spending boost since Reagan By Martin McLaughlin 5 January, 1999 The Clinton administration will propose the biggest increase in Pentagon spending since 1984, at the height of the Reagan military buildup, in the budget it submits to Congress next month. Clinton announced the huge rise in military spending in his weekly radio speech January 2. The rise of $12 billion this year and $110 billion over six years comes out of discussions between the White House and the Joint Chiefs of Staff over the last four months. The budget will provide for a 4.4 percent across-the-board raise in military pay, the biggest since 1984 and well above the inflation rate, with additional raises targeted towards mid-level officers, noncommissioned officers and skilled technicians. The bulk of the increased spending will provide expensive new hardware for each of the three services: new F-22 fighter jets for the Air Force, new Comanche attack helicopters for the Army, new missile-firing warships for the Navy. The result will be the first sustained long-term increase in military spending since the accession of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in 1985. US military spending has declined steadily since the end of the Cold War, with the exception of 1991, when there was a brief upswing to pay for the Persian Gulf war. (Most of the costs of this military operation were subsidized by Japan, Germany and other nations heavily dependent on oil imports from the region.) The scale of the US military budget is already staggering, especially since the Cold War arms race with the Soviet Union ended a decade ago, and the resources of the Pentagon dwarf those of potential rivals. The increase alone, $110 billion over six years, is larger than the combined total budgets of the next two largest military powers, Russia and China, which spend about $50 billion each. The total Pentagon budget will top $276 billion next year, and rise steadily to $296 billion annually by 2005, an amount which exceeds the total spending of all the other NATO countries, Russia, China and Japan combined. Yet even these proposed spending levels have been criticized by the military brass and denounced by congressional Republicans as inadequate. Senator James Imhofe of Oklahoma, chairman of the Senate subcommittee on military preparedness and a close ally of the Christian Coalition, attacked Clinton's budget proposal, saying, "He's personally responsible for the defamation of our defense system and our hollow forces. The president is going to try to make it look like he's a pro-defense president. It's an outrage." A major factor in the Pentagon buildup is the increasing turn by the US to unilateral military interventions, as in Iraq, and the deployment of US forces in regional trouble spots like Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia. Some $2 billion out of the $12 billion in additional spending for the coming fiscal year is for the US forces in Bosnia. Coming on the eve of the Senate consideration of Clinton's impeachment and removal from office, the shift of policy on the military budget represents yet another olive branch to the president's congressional opponents. It follows the four-day bombing of Iraq and the White House embrace of proposals for partial privatization of Social Security, each step a concession to the far-right elements which are
Re: [CTRL] Y2K--Why Not Buy New Software?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 7:07:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: At 09:16 PM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question for me. Why don't folks just purchase new y2K compliant software. Export the old data from the old softwareAutomatically alter all the old dates in the old data to a compliant format and then up-load the data into the new softwarethis would seem to be the best investment of time and money. Good point. Maybe the central conspirators are running the bug-fixing racket and planned the bug crisis. They'll cash in to the tune of billions and then sit back in their remote estates while Y2K culls the herd. Several people have told me they've read or heard accounts of programmers who warned people years ago about Y2K, and they were just ignored. Could be psychology, or maybe it was the plan. My understanding of things is like this: There is no easy answer software that will automatically convert the data and store it. Many of the non-compliant computers are very old and run their own proprietary systems, which software was written by one or two independant programmers say 25 years ago. A large part of the problem is that the code for many of these systems is either lost or was never documented. Many of these programs were rush jobs, and the code is very sloppy and hard to figure. In some cases, the original programmers are dead. In order to export the data, new programmers must be hired to first figure out _how_ to export the data. They have to reverse engineer the original code in order to figure things out and then convert the data into something a compliant program can understand. The only other solution is to print out ALL of the original data and hire people to input it all by hand into a new program. That could take a long time as well, but may be the only solution for some ailing organizations who are having no luck with their original code. But then, you run the risk of human error in the data entry process, so go figure. That's all I know about that. -Crimm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FREE Holiday to Disney World
-Caveat Lector- Can anyone PLEASE tell me why people start these things up (like, sure, Disney and Bill Gates are really gonna' fly everyone to Disney World. Duh). A more important question to ask is why you would spam it to a Conspiracy Research List, replete with a mile-long list of past recipients, wasting 13+K worth of bandwidth... BTW, it's a well-known Internet Urban Legend... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] Y2K--Why Not Buy New Software?
-Caveat Lector- How will that help when there is no electricity, no water and no access to banks? How will you operate your computer with your new software when you have no electricity and no telephone service? Are you really relying upon "I didn't do it" Willie for reassurance? The scope and seriousness of losing our power, communications and banking systems simultaneously will immediately shatter the functioning of everything, including federal and state government. It is my understanding that the coming Y2k disaster has the potential to be brutally destructive and a direct threat to individual survival. Sherry. aka Tapshoe When everyone else is walking out the door, the true friend walks in http://www.angelfire.com/wy/seekGOVinvestigation/ Lloyd Miller wrote: Buy Music CD's On-Line at Music Boulevard http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/32653_0_bb/bb200.txt END -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Pro-panic (fwd)--Y2K At 09:16 PM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question for me. Why don't folks just purchase new y2K compliant software. Export the old data from the old softwareAutomatically alter all the old dates in the old data to a compliant format and then up-load the data into the new softwarethis would seem to be the best investment of time and money. Good point. Maybe the central conspirators are running the bug-fixing racket and planned the bug crisis. They'll cash in to the tune of billions and then sit back in their remote estates while Y2K culls the herd. Several people have told me they've read or heard accounts of programmers who warned people years ago about Y2K, and they were just ignored. Could be psychology, or maybe it was the plan. Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy!END DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote: Bullshit. The Indian elephant's in trouble due to loss of it's natural habitat... Maybe I should have said "Domesticated Indian elephants." You're back to talking about "wild" elephants that "belong to the people." And just WHERE do you think those 'domesticated Indian elephants' get PARKED? Do you really think that privately owned Indian elephants in the increasingly urbanized southeast Asia get put into garages, complete with automatic dooropeners, every night? I stand by my statement...the DOMESTICATED Indian elephant is also in trouble, due to the loss of its natural habitat. Proves my point As long as there was a "use" for elephants, and people were allowed to own them for their personal use, there was no danger of them becoming extinct. Proves absolutely nothing of what you claim...your contention was that AFRICAN elephants should be privately owned like some Indian elephants are...ignoring the FACT that African elephants are basically untrainable. You also ignore the fact of the USES the Indian elephant was put to, and therefore fail to recognize WHY the Indian elephant, privately owned tho many of them may be, is becoming increasingly rare... It would make as much sense to argue that Saudis and Kuwaitis should go back to using camels instead of driving cars... I don't think they were "put here" for entertainment purposes (i.e. vacation trips to Africa, or even to the zoo, to "see the elephants.") I would not presume to second-guess God's mind in WHY elephants...or any other species...was put on Earth...neither would I presume to state that eliminating any species would have little, or no, effect on the greater whole... But my guess is that God will treat each one of us by the way we treated the lesser species in our care/dominion... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 12:54:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and history. For your information, the typical Negro slave received back, over the period of his life, about 90% of the wealth he produced... He had a longer life expectency than white Europeans of the time, and was better off in practically every measurable aspect of economic life and physical health than was any "peasant class" worker in the world ( specifically factory workers in the industrial north and Europe). You must be living in a dream world, have you been shooting something into your arm? If you learned very little in school, it is not too late. I suggest you read Bullwhip Days to unburden yourself of the scales that cover your eyes. Jerry PS the notion that privately held property is taken better care of is certainly pure crap where the corporations are concerned. Consider Hurwitz and his tender treatment of the resources of MAXXAM. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: NEW FBI Document Links Chinagate To Whitewater Figure Webster Hubbell
-Caveat Lector- Original Message- From: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nils Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 9:21 AM Subject: Fw: NEW FBI Document Links Chinagate To Whitewater Figure Webster Hubbell Behold the real crimes of the Clinton Administration. Still, what goes around comes around. China bankrolls American politicians who would impose a Singapore style police state on the US. Its reasons are to stop American support for Chinese dissidents. This is exactly what the US has done for years in Latin America in particular. Now we know how it feels to be on the recieving end. Clinton collaborates with China the same way Pinochet collaborated with the US. And our much vaunted ruling class turns out to be vulnerable to corruption from outside, just as Mexico's is. Dear Al: -Original Message- From: CharlesSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 2:23 AM Subject: CAS: NEW FBI Document Links Chinagate To Whitewater Figure Webster Hubbell http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990105_xcsof_administra.shtml A newly de-classified document from the FBI confirms that Attorney General Reno appointed Webster Hubbell to a secret computer chip project intended to bug America. The document, a 1993 letter from FBI Director William Sessions to Janet Reno, was obtained from the Department of Justice using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The FBI letter to Reno states "During the June 30, 1993 meeting with the National Security Council staff to discuss the status of the Presidential Decision and Review Directives concerning key-escrow encryption technology and telecommunications trends, which was attended by Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, the issue of a recommended solution to the law enforcement access problem, or the digital telephony issue, was discussed." The Department of Justice withheld many of the documents seen by Hubbell, including a SECRET report from the FBI on "Requirements For the Surveillance of Electronic Communications." The June 30, 1993 letter from Sessions to Reno states that the Whitewater figure attended a secret White House briefing on U.S. computer chip policy. In 1993, President Clinton considered mandatory legislation for a special computer chip called CLIPPER to be manufactured into all U.S. computers. According to a SECRET FBI report from 1992, the CLIPPER chip contained a "exploitable feature" which allowed the Federal Government to intercept and decode computer communications. The letter proves Ms. Reno appointed her trusted Assistant Attorney General Webster Hubbell to over-see the secret National Security Agency (NSA) encryption chip project in 1993. According to documents obtained using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Hubbell attended at least one other meeting at the National Security Agency (NSA) Headquarters in May 1993, along with White House lawyers Vince Foster and Bernard Nussbaum. Ms. Reno has been heavily involved in the making of computer security policy of interest to China since 1993. She has also supported a view to monopolize the computer security industry under the Federal government. One 1996 CIA report noted that Ms. Reno wanted to monitor all American domestic computer communications such as e-mail, using a technique to secretly intercept and decode any messages. According to CIA Director John Deutch, the government would mandate all computers be equipped with a special "back-door" system called "key recovery". Federal agents would use a secret "key" to secretly enter a back door and read any computer communication. According to the 1996 report to V.P. Gore by CIA Director Deutch, Ms. Reno proposed an all out Federal take-over of the computer industry. The Justice Department, proposed "legislation that would ... ban the import and domestic manufacture, sale or distribution of encryption that does not have key recovery." Prime targets for monitoring would be foreign governments, banks, corporations, and individuals opposing the Clinton administration. The keys were to be held by "key recovery agents" licensed by the Commerce Department. According to Congressional investigators, documents from Hubbell's personal schedule for 1993 show that the Whitewater figure met multiple times at the White House on a top secret computer chip project called CLIPPER. Hubbell met with the then National Security Council (NSC) advisor George Tenet. Tenet is currently the Director of the CIA. According to George Tenet's SECRET White House email, Ron Brown insisted that the Commerce Department be one of the key holders or be in charge of licensing key holders. Hubbell resigned from the Justice Department in April of 1994. In late June 1994, Lippo boss James Riady met with John Huang and Bill Clinton during five days of White House visits. Early the next week, a Lippo unit paid Hubbell about $100,000. In December 1994, Hubbell pled
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 2:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. This single line for capitalism which makes it sound like a right smart system while the alternatives are described with multiple sentences and none too flatteringly is not well balanced. I don't know what the right add-on should be but as it is, it doesn't account for the ruthless quality of capitalism which leaves 41 million Americans below the poverty line. It is also silent about the harsher tone of American capitalism that developed after the fall of the Soviet Union. For the sake of the Russian people and the American people, we need Gorbachev back. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Y2K--Why Not Buy New Software?
-Caveat Lector- Lloyd Miller wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Pro-panic (fwd)--Y2K At 09:16 PM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question for me. Why don't folks just purchase new y2K compliant software. Export the old data from the old softwareAutomatically alter all the old dates in the old data to a compliant format and then up-load the data into the new softwarethis would seem to be the best investment of time and money. Good point. Maybe the central conspirators are running the bug-fixing racket and planned the bug crisis. They'll cash in to the tune of billions and then sit back in their remote estates while Y2K culls the herd. Several people have told me they've read or heard accounts of programmers who warned people years ago about Y2K, and they were just ignored. Could be psychology, or maybe it was the plan. First, I think that is basically what they are doing. However, it isn't as automatic as you might think. Also, there seem to be some inbedded systems that may run into a problem with this and they have to be removed from the equipment and then reinstalled. Plus there is the problem of testing all this once you have fixed it. Have you ever gotten any software that had a bug? Supposedly the company ran it through its paces and did not find it. Now there is a problem and they have to spend money sending you a fix. Well, they probably tested it, but there were so many variables that they could not test them all. So they sent it out and after a while they fixed all the problems that cropped up. That's basically the situation now. They will probably fix most everything, but there will still be problems that won't turn up until 1/1/2000. Unfortunately, it is not just one program that is going to have problems. Its going to be a whole lot of programs having little problems (or maybe big ones). That's what the problem is. And it is very difficult to figure out just how bad those problems will be and how easily they will be fixed. I just talked to a fellow who was one of the top techies for Bell. He said that the phones would not go down because of any software problem with dates. However, he did say that the maintenance software had to be fixed (when to change batteries, etc). He said that he told his boss back in 1976 when they were doing an upgrade on the software that they were using then that they would have a problem with the software in 2000. His supervisor said that she would be retired by then so it wasn't a problem for her. And that was it. I also know a fellow who is working on y2k for nuclear power plant computers. He told me "expect weeks without electricity". best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Joshua #13 pt3
Vol I THE JOSHUA REPORT No. #13 "...We can't be so fixated on our desire to Preserve the Rights of ORDINARY Americans..." - President Bill Clinton USA TODAY 3/11/93 PART III of 4 WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON ... ELECTED Official or CFR APPOINTEE? [GAMES THEY NEVER TAUGHT US IN SCHOOL!] If PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON can't be bothered with upholding the CONSTITUTION, and preserving OUR RIGHTS as "ORDINARY AMERICANS," just exactly who IS he working for??? [You gotta admit this would certainly explain how he got in the position he's in today!] CLINTON - (1) a working member of the MOB [international organized crime], and (2) a 33rd-degree MASON - has sworn his allegiance to the (3) UNITED NATIONS. He sits on the (4) COUNCIL OF 300, belongs to the (5) TRILATERAL COMMISSION, the (6) BILDERBERGERS, and, of course, the (7) COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS [CFR]. The important thing to remember about all of these organizations - besides the obvious point that they are all incorporated BUSINESSES - is that EVERY ONE OF THESE HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO DESTROY AMERICA! If we examine these organizations one by one, maybe we can figure out WHY - and [with Billy Boy's help] just how far they have progressed to that deadline of 2000: (1) "...[When Chicago-area CONGRESSMAN HENRY HYDE] was a State Legislator, he corrupted other state and federal officials to instrumentally protect a GANGSTER- OWNED gambling casino on Paradise Island in the Bahamas. The toll bridge linking the place with Nassau was owned by then-PRESIDENT RICHARD M. NIXON, now by Nixon's Estate. ...Like Nixon, HYDE has been part of NAVAL INTELLIGENCE assigned to the CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY [retiring with the rank of Commander]... "Hyde became part of the spy agency's worldwide covert funding and political assassination apparatus, masquerading as the NUGAN HAND BANK...Upon the collapse of NUGAN HAND BANK in 1980 and the supposed destruction of their records, their worldwide espionage and dirty tricks funding, disguised as banking...was taken over by their successor, HOUSEHOLD INTERNATIONAL and HOUSEHOLD BANK...now headquartered in a Chicago suburb near a convenient suburb airport...HENRY HYDE has a large financial stake in HOUSEHOLD... "Upon the collapse of the Chicago suburban American Heritage Savings Loan Association, the Federal Home Loan Bank, acting as a midwife, arranged its take-over by HOUSEHOLD. The cover-up included sending some of American Heritage's officials to federal prison to shut them up. Keeping the criminal matter from getting into HENRY HYDE's complicity in the affair was Assistant Federal Prosecutor Susan Bogart, now part of a special Chicago team on Hyde"s CLINTON IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. After being accused in a published decision by the Federal Appeals Court in Chicago of Jury-tampering, which favored some of the S L defendants in the criminal case, Susan Bogart left federal employment. "To arrange the take-over of the S L, the HOME LOAN BANK parked $58.4 MILLION with HOUSEHOLD to make good the pending claims of Chicago-area caulking contractor, Joseph Andreuccetti, who contends the S L helped swindle him of sums close to that amount. In 1988, $50 MILLION of those parked funds were secretly transferred from HOUSEHOLD to LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS, in an attempt to cover up the embezzlement there of $47 MILLION from MADISON GUARANTY SAVINGS LOAN, for which BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON are subject to being prosecuted and sent to federal prison. [This is what the WHITEWATER scandal was REALLY about!] (The $3 MILLION difference was used by RAHM EMANUEL to start Clinton's first campaign for President.) When a senior investigator of the S L bail-out agency, RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION, Jon Parnell Walker, discovered the details, he demanded a full inquiry by his federal agency. His insistance was cut short when HE WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THROWN TO HIS DEATH from a building in Arlington, Virginia. "The secret transfer of the $50 MILLION was arranged by HYDE with the aid of John E. Gierum, a lawyer in the same suburb of Chicago, PARK RIDGE, that HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON's family is from. A close crony of the RODHAMS, Gierum grew up with that family and went to law school with one of HILLARY's brothers. In January, 1994, Gierum confessed...in the presence of Joseph Andreuccetti (who was once Gierum's law client), that the CLINTON WHITE HOUSE is attempting to send Gierum to prison on a frame- up...Later, when confronted in Court...with his confession, Gierum DID NOT DISPUTE the same. [1] "Chicago US District Judge George M. Marovich put the case out of Court claiming he could not hear it because IT HAD TOO MANY DETAILS [!]...A simple explanation of why HYDE arranged the $50 MILLION transfer is that HYDE is protecting two CIA OPERATIVES with the agency since an early age,
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: But my guess is that God will treat each one of us by the way we treated the lesser species in our care/dominion... Oh no, I killed a rat in my house the other day. Am I going to go to hell? best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- What's wrong with adopting a national energy policy? I think it's a sane thing to do, especially since the end of the world's oil supply is looming on the millennial horizon. What a crock! The world is awash with oil! Seems like some folks once said the same thing about the demise of the world's whale-oil supply. Central controls isn't the answer... FREEDOM to get rich by taking big chances is the answer, just as it was then. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
