[CTRL] Know Your Customer ?!?

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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R >>

>From TheIndependent (UK)


> A TALE OF HOT MONEY AND 'MISS RUSSIA'
>
>
> HOLED UP in her Manhattan apartment with her young son and speaking only through
> her lawyer, Natasha Kagalovsky can do nothing now but wait. From Lucy Edwards,
> who has gone into hiding in London, there has been no word. She too is waiting.
> They are not alone in their suspense as investigators in several capitals strive
> to unravel an apparent Russian money-laundering scandal encompassing up to
> $15bn.
>
> Like the sums of money involved, the stakes are sky-high. Certainly, they are
> high for the two Russian-born women, both of whom were senior executives with
> the Bank of New York, where investigators think the main laundering accounts
> were held. The women, who are responsible for drumming up business with Russia,
> were both put on suspension by the bank last week. The stakes are high for their
> respective husbands, who have also come under scrutiny in the investigations.
> Serious embarrassment - and maybe federal sanctions - loom over the bank.
>
> But the fall-out from the affair could be spread far wider. If the allegations
> of massive laundering are proven, politicians in the US especially will demand
> reforms in a banking system that apparently is unable to control such illicit
> flows.
>
> Still more grave are new suggestions that some of the money has been skimmed
> from international loans to Russia, notably from the International Monetary
> Fund. Already voices in Washington are sayingIMF loans to Moscow should be
> suspended until the truth is fully uncovered.
>
> And the shadow of the affair is threatening the offices of political leaders on
> both continents. Anonymously, investigators have argued that senior officials in
> the Yeltsin administration may have been involved in money-laundering schemes,
> including his daughter and adviser, Tatyana Dyachenko.
>
> Some have said that President Yeltsin must have been aware of the transactions.
>
> In Washington, blame for the mess is being cast by some on Vice President Al
> Gore, who has taken a lead role in supervising President Clinton's policies of
> supporting Russian reform. Aides to Mr Gore have already rushed to try to
> insulate him from allegations that he was among those turning a blind eye to
> corruption in the new Russian capitalism.
>
> Leading the attack on the administration has been the Republican candidate,
> Steve Forbes. "It's long been in the papers that tens of millions of Russians
> are not being paid; it's long been known billions are being siphoned off," he
> declared. "And yet they keep shovelling billions of IMF money into a government
> that misuses it."
>
> Reaching the truth of what happened will not be easy. The claims that IMF money
> may have been involved are far from proven. Nor is it even clear that all of the
> money that apparently washed through some five accounts at the Bank of New York,
> held by a London-incorporated firm called Benex, were actually generated either
> from Russian mafia earnings or corruption and pilfering.
>
> Channelling profits through foreign accounts is a common and usually legitimate
> practice of Russian corporations seeking to evade often horrendous Russian
> currency regulations and to protect capital from the vagaries of the uncertain
> rouble economy.
>
> "This is going to take some considerable time. It will be more like months than
> weeks," a spokesman for Britain's National Crime Squad, which is leading the
> London end of the probe, admitted yesterday. Suggesting a deep well of
> mysterious dealings, one US official told USA Today newspaper: "The more we dig,
> the more we find."
>
> What investigators have to work with now are streams of transaction records
> seized from the Bank of New York and the slowly expanding cast of characters
> they believe may hold the key to the scandal's mystery. Nobody, it should be
> stressed, has yet been charged with wrongdoing. Nor has any institution. Top
> billing so far has been given to Mrs Kagalovsky.
>
> Employed by the Bank of New York in the mid-Nineties to drum up business in
> Moscow, her expertise on the Russian financial scene wasrevered. Mrs Kagalovsky
> is under the microscope in part because she was so close to the transactions now
> under suspicion at the Bank of New York. But the alarm bells were sounded also
> because of her marriage to Konstantin Kagalovsky. Press reports say Mr
> Kagalovsky, who was Russia's representative to the IMF in the early Nineties and
> who then moved to the once-powerful Menatep Bank in Moscow, has increasingly
> become the focus of the fast-expanding money-laundering probe.
>
> The Kagalovskys, who met in Washington in 1993, share a lawyer in New York who
> has denied that they have committed any wrong-doing. In a statement, Stanley
> Arkin insisted: "Konstantin and Natasha wish to state unequivocally that they
> have never been involved in money-laundering activities."
>
> M

Re: [CTRL] Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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got a 404 error...

bad URL, dude?

NO I checked the root or "home" page:
http://www.texasranger.org/
still nuthin'

Mebbe a little infowar ?

hmmm...  NOPE!

Got it-  here ya go:

http://texasranger.org/fbi.htm


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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Subject: Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege




 http://www.texasranger.org/FBI.htm

Sorry!

Overlooked including the URL in previous Post.

Bard

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1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine

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to all list subscribers,

  as you may have noticed, this list has been stagnant for sometime. THis happened
just after the australian government passed it's internet censorship laws, that come
into effect on jan 1st 2000. Not only do these laws cover the web, but mailing lists
as well.

Apart from the fact that my ISP is shutting down due to these laws, some of the
postings on this list would attract the attention of the authorities here in AU.

I am happy for this list to continue on, however, it would need to be hosted off-
shore and I have neither the time nor resources for this to happen (unless someone
wants to offer to host it?)

So, with these things in mind, this list will officially die as of midnight, january
1st (dec 31st) 2000. At the moment, it is stagnant (as you've probably noticed) but
will remain here incase I need to make any important postings.

it seems that the australian government has finally found a way to beat people like
myself, its a shame, they'll be burning books next. Also, if this legislation proves
itself effective, you may very well find it knocking on your door - if it does, make
a hell of a lot of noise to stop it. For info on exactly what it is I am talking
about see http://www.efa.org.au

At this point, I would like to thank all of the list subs, I hope you have enjoyed
the info I have sent out and hopefully learn't something along the way in the 3
years of this lists' existance.

regretfully,

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ps. I can't pass up this last chance. It seems far too coincidental that this
legislation has been passed with the olympics coming up in sydney next year. It is
well known that the australian government is removing the street people from sydney
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Re: [CTRL] How does mind control work?

1999-08-27 Thread Smart News

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Below please find information on mind control. IMO, the real trick is to see
when one is in a group fiting the criteria below.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

Excerpts from http://www.factnet.org/rancho1.htm

How does mind control work?:

A technical overview of mind control tactics
[This document, in substance, was presented to the U.S. Supreme Court as an
educational Appendix on coercive psychological systems in the case
Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology 89-1367 and 89-1361. The Wollersheim
case was being considered related to issues involving abuse in this area. In
this document coercive persuasion is the professional term being used to
describe the nature of coercive psychological systems. Wollersheim
case-specific details have been deleted.]

This traditional concept of coercion is far better understood than the
technological concepts of "coercive persuasion" which are effective
restraining, impairing, or compelling through the gradual application of
PSYCHOLOGICAL FORCES.

There are seven main tactic types found in various combinations in a coercive
persuasion program. A coercive persuasion program can still be quite
effective without the presence of ALL seven of these tactic types.

TACTIC 1. The individual is prepared for thought reform through increased
suggestibility and/or "softening up," specifically through hypnotic or other
suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: A. Extended audio, visual,
verbal, or tactile fixation drills; B. Excessive exact repetition of routine
activities; C. Decreased sleep; D. Nutritional restriction.

TACTIC 2. Using rewards and punishments, efforts are made to establish
considerable control over a person's social environment, time, and sources of
social support. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends
is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved
attitudes. Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered. (In the
forerunner to coercive persuasion, brainwashing, this was rather easy to
achieve through simple imprisonment.)

TACTIC 3. Disconfirming information and nonsupporting opinions are prohibited
in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with
outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An "in-group" language is
usually constructed.

TACTIC 4. Frequent and intense attempts are made to cause a person to
re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and
prior conduct in negative ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and
undermine the subject's basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view,
emotional control, and defense mechanisms as well as getting them to
reinterpret their life's history, and adopt a new version of causality.

TACTIC 5. Intense and frequent attempts are made to undermine a person's
confidence in himself and his judgment, creating a sense of powerlessness.

TACTIC 6. Nonphysical punishments are used such as intense humiliation, loss
of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt,
anxiety, manipulation and other techniques for creating strong aversive
emotional arousals, etc.

TACTIC 7. Certain secular psychological threats [force] are used or are
present: That failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief, or consequent
behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequence, (e.g. physical
or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug
dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration,
failure to find a mate, etc.).
Another set of criteria has to do with defining other common elements of mind
control systems. If most of Robert Jay Lifton's eight point model of thought
reform is being used in a cultic organization, it is most likely a dangerous
and destructive cult. These eight points follow:

Robert Jay Lifton's Eight Point Model of Thought Reform

1. ENVIRONMENT CONTROL. Limitation of many/all forms of
communication with those outside the group. Books, magazines,
letters and visits with friends and family are taboo. "Come out and be
separate!"

2. MYSTICAL MANIPULATION. The potential convert to the group
becomes convinced of the higher purpose and special calling of the
group through a profound encounter/experience, for example, through
an alleged miracle or prophetic word of those in the group.

3. DEMAND FOR PURITY. An explicit goal of the group is to bring
about some kind of change, whether it be on a global, social, or
personal level. "Perfection is possible if one stays with the group and
is committed."

4. CULT OF CONFESSION. The unhealthy practice of self disclosure
to members in the group. Often in the context of a public gathering in
the group, admitting past sins and imperfections, even doubts about
the group and critical thoughts about the integrity of the leaders.

5. SACRED SCIENCE. The group's perspective is absolutely true and
completely adequate to explain EVERYTHING. The doctrine is not
subject to amendments or question. AB

[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: new Waco evidence

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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As the Waco cover-up finally unravels,
is it time to put Janet Reno on trial?

WASHINGTON, DC -- Forget more Congressional hearings -- now
that the FBI has admitted it used "pyrotechnic devices" during the
massacre at Waco, it may be time to move directly to criminal trials
for Janet Reno and other law enforcement officials, the Libertarian
Party said today.

"It's time to send a message: Hate crimes and cover-ups won't be
tolerated in America," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national director.
"And the way to send that message is to start criminal proceedings against
the government officials responsible for the deaths of 86 people at the
Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.

"At this point, we're not saying that Janet Reno -- or any
other individual -- is guilty of premeditated mass murder, or guilty of a
criminal conspiracy to cover up the facts. But enough new evidence has
emerged that a jury should consider that question."

Yesterday, the FBI admitted it had been lying for six years
when it claimed never to have used incendiary devices during the siege at
Waco. In fact, a spokesman has now acknowledged, FBI agents had fired at
least two flammable 40mm tear-gas canisters into the compound.

Shortly after that military-style ordnance was deployed on
April 19, 1993, a blazing fire engulfed the Branch Davidian complex,
incinerating 86 people, including 24 children.

The FBI's abrupt about-face came after Texas Rangers
investigators uncovered new evidence, videotapes, and photographs that
called into question the government's account of the massacre. Other
evidence -- first publicized in the Academy Award-nominated documentary,
Waco: The Rules of Engagement -- also suggested that an FBI helicopter had
opened fire on the Branch Davidians with a machine gun, according to the
Washington Post.

Reaction to the new evidence was swift. Congressman Dan Burton
(R-IN) said that if federal officials "have been lying," their "testimony
on other matters should also be examined." And Congressman Bob Barr (R-GA)
suggested that "charges of perjury" could be filed, and that "serious
questions" have been raised about "who is responsible for the deaths of
over 80 American men, women, and children." Both called for new
Congressional hearings.

But hearings aren't enough, said Dasbach: It's time to strip
away the shield of "sovereign immunity" that protects government
officials, and treat them like any other person suspected of criminal
assault or mass murder.

"Buford O'Neil Furrow, for example, faces state and federal
charges for opening fire on a Jewish community center earlier this
month, wounding five people, including three children," noted Dasbach. "At
the very least, shouldn't Janet Reno face similar charges for the fiery
deaths of 24 children?

"Buford O'Neil Furrow launched his rampage because of
irrational religious prejudice, and federal investigators may charge
him with committing a hate crime. Part of the original explanation for the
federal government's assault on the Branch Davidian compound was that it
was a religious cult -- which is a prejudicial code word for any
non-traditional religion. So, shouldn't a hate crime investigation be
launched against Janet Reno, too?"

Dasbach stressed that until all the evidence is in, Janet Reno and
other high officials in the FBI and the BATF must be considered innocent.

"But 86 people are dead, and the cover-up is starting to
unravel," he said. "Fairness and justice demand that 12 ordinary
Americans -- a jury of her peers -- should examine the evidence against
Janet Reno in a court of law, and decide if she is criminally liable for
this tragedy.

"After all, a fair trial is the American way," said Dasbach.
"But, unfortunately, a fair trial is a courtesy that Janet Reno did not
extend to the 86 men, women, and children who, on her orders, were
subjected to a barrage of gunfire, a 51-day siege, psychological
harassment, toxic gas, and military-style pyrotechnic devices. It's time
to right that wrong."


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[CTRL] [Fwd: Important News]

1999-08-27 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Koenig's International News wrote:
>
> Note from Bill Koenig:
>
> Below are four very important news items. The first article and
> link is from the New York Times and has been at our web site. The
> article states there is a very bright light in the northern skies
> that is baffling scientists.
>
> The second news item quotes the well respected Intelligence Digest,
> who says Russia has agreed to cooperate with Iraq, Iran and Syria
> in an attack on Israel. This could be the fulfillment of Ezekiel
> 38. (thanks to Jim Bramlett for sending this out)
>
> In another article in the Telegraph,  President Yeltsin announced:
> "I am in fighting form, ready for battle, especially with
> Westerners," as he arrived for talks with President Jiang Zemin of
> China in Bishkek, capital of the former Soviet republic of
> Kyrgyzstan.
>
> Furthermore, there is concern that China might strike Taiwan in the
> next few weeks. That news item was in "Inside China Today."
>
> *
>
> AN ODDITY IN SPACE BAFFLES EXPERTS
> New York Times - 08/17/99
> Light Deep in the Northern Sky Appears to be Like Nothing Seen
> Before
> http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/081799sci-mystery-star.html
>
> Now astronomers have an unyielding mystery on their hands,
> something they have observed and
> pondered for three years, a point of light deep in the northern sky
> that appears to be like nothing seen before.
>
> WEEKEND NEWS TODAY
> By Kelly Pagatpatan
> Source: Randal from WeekEnd Discussion Group
>
> Friday Aug 27,1999 -- Joseph de Courcy, editor of the
> well-respected "Intelligence Digest," says in a mailing delivered
> to subscribers this week: "While NATO congratulates itself on
> bombing the Serbs into submission, Israel’s Mossad and other Middle
> Eastern intelligence sources have discovered that Kosovo was one
> humiliation too many for Russia. Now Moscow has agreed to back
> Saddam’s secret plan of revenge.
>
> With this all-important Russian backing, Saddam is joining with
> hated Iran and Syria to launch one final war against Israel.
> Amazingly, Saddam will allow Iranian troops to cross Iraqi
> territory to join the attack on Israel. And to keep America from
> interfering, Moscow has given Osama bin Laden and other terrorists
> the means to attack American population centers with weapons of
> mass destruction. The threat is real...and the implications
> terrifying..."
>
> REPORT CLAIMS CHINA PLANNING PUNITIVE ATTACKS AGAINST TAIWAN SOON
> Inside China Today  - 08/24/99
> http://www.insidechina.com/news.php3?id=87393
>
> China may launch punitive attacks on Taiwan in the next few weeks
> if Taiwan’s President Lee Teng-hui fails to withdraw claims to
> "state-to-state" relations, a Hong Kong newspaper said Tuesday.
> China was prepared to begin punitive military action such as a
> blockade of the Taiwan Strait, the independent Chinese-language
> newspaper Sing Tao reported, citing unidentified sources in
> Beijing.
>
> YELTSIN PRESSES FOR ANTI-NATO ALLIANCE WITH THE CHINESE
> Telegraph-London - 08/26/99
> 
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000163167039689&rtmo=lSAuAHHt&atmo=&pg=/et/99/8/26/wrus26.html
>
> FORMER bitter rivals Russia and China are working on an anti-Nato
> alliance because they fear the spreading influence of the West, and
> America in particular, in former Communist countries.
>
> President Yeltsin announced: "I am in fighting form, ready for
> battle, especially with Westerners," as he arrived for talks with
> President Jiang Zemin of China in Bishkek, capital of the former
> Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan.
>
> Koenig's International News - Bill Koenig - http://watch.org/
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[CTRL] (Fwd) Zet Commentary / Aug 28 / Diana Johnstone / Hitler Anal

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Diana Johnstone.

Here then is today's ZNet Commentary...

-

"Hitler" analogies betray both past and present
By Diana Johnstone

The war was launched to protect an oppressed ethnic minority, to
punish a
massacre, and to secure a New World Order. Which war was that?
Why,
Hitler's war of course, which came to be known as World War II.
The
ostensibly oppressed ethnic minority was the Germans in Slavic
countries,
the aggression was a fake Polish incursion into Germany
denounced as a
"massacre," and the "New World Order" was the declared goal of
Nazi
Germany. These pretexts or aims of Hitler's war of conquest are
largely
forgotten in the United States. They are never cited by
politicians or
media drawing parallels between then and now.

However, everyone remembers the Holocaust, Hitler and Munich. Reduced to
these three elements, the standard "lesson" of World War II goes like
this: There was an evil man, Hitler, who wanted to kill all the Jews. At
Munich, the West failed to stop him. The result was the Holocaust.
Therefore we must "stand up" to whatever "new Hitler" comes along. This
simplistic formula discredits diplomacy and justifies the use of military
force. To call out the hounds of war, all that is needed is to identify
the latest adversary as a new "Hitler" and to dismiss any attempt to find
a reasonable compromise as "Munich." >From the beginning of the Yugoslav
crisis in 1991, the media took the easy way of reporting on an extremely
complex and unfamiliar situation by resorting to analogy. The Washington
public relations firm, Ruder Finn, on contract to Croatia and the Kosovo
Albanians, took shrewd advantage of this tendency by likening Serb
relocation camps in Bosnia--horrific places such as exist in conflicts
around the world, and indeed existed in Bosnia under Muslim and Croat
control as well--to "Auschwitz." Suddenly, Milosevic was "the new Hitler."
A journalist who might challenge such exaggeration not only risked missing
the "big story" but could be accused of "revisionism" or "Auschwitz
denial." More recently, a number of American journalists have indeed
managed to produce excellent and balanced articles from Yugoslavia. Steven
Erlanger's reports from Kosovo for the New York Times reflect the
complexities and ambiguities of a province devastated by NATO bombing,
obscure combat, crime, intimidation and panic. Such serious reporting has
a long way to go to counteract years of simplified analogies, distorted
and inaccurate facts and outright propaganda by editorialists, columnists
and cartoonists echoing each other in endless variations on the "new
Hitler" theme.

The tragic-comic fate of mankind seems to be to fail to see the next trap
in the effort to avoid the last one. By constantly recalling Auschwitz,
the collective imagination has projected it onto much more ordinary human
disasters. At present, the truly successful "revisionism" is not denial of
Auschwitz but its relativization, by seeing it where it isn't.

The dangers of analogy construction Analogies should be employed with
care, especially with such emotion-laden subjects as Hitler and the
Holocaust. When applied to unfamiliar situations, they can create a
powerful semi-fictional version that actually masks reality. Faced with a
"new Hitler" and alleged "genocide," there can be no inquiry as to the
real motives and interests of the various parties. Instead, the issue is
reduced to identifying the "bad guy" and "standing up" to him. This
mindset virtually precludes serious efforts to grasp why people are acting
as they do. It has even helped to obscure the causes and motives of Nazi
aggression. In reality, Hitler's vicious anti-Semitism could not in itself
have led Germany into a war of conquest stretching from North Africa to
Norway to the Volga. The military, financial and industrial elites of
Germany were motivated by geo-strategic goals: a German-dominated Europe
known as the "New World Order."

The propaganda that incited Germans to fight told them that they were on a
mission to bring good German "Western" order to the world. To achieve such
order, elements of disorder had to be identified and eliminated. Here is
where Hitler's anti-Semitism came in: For Hitler, disorder in the form of
both communism and capitalism was caused primarily by Jews and secondarily
by Slavs (considered an incompetent sub-race), as well as by minor
trouble-makers such as Gypsies and homosexuals. If parallels are to be
drawn between the present NATO war and the Nazi blitzkreig, some of them
could be extremely embarrassing to the NATO allies. But American media
have never cared to dwell on the fact that the "New World Order" was a
Nazi slogan resurrected by President Bush once the Soviet Union collapsed,
nor on the fact that Hitler ordered the bombing of Belgrade to punish it
for opposing that "Order," while rewarding Croatian an

Re: [CTRL] Drugs, Human misery

1999-08-27 Thread Howard R. Davis III

 -Caveat Lector-

If this story is true, it certainly is a good example of why drugs should be
legal as they were before the turn of the century and when things such as
this never happened.

Howard Davis

--
>From: Bill Richer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] Drugs, Human misery
>Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999, 8:31 PM
>

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> My sister's coworker has a sister in Texas who with her husband was planning
> a weekend trip across the Mexican border for a shopping spree.
>
> At the last minute their baby sitter canceled, so they had to bring along
> their two year old son with them. They had been across the border for about
> an hour when the baby got free and ran around the corner. The mother went
> chasing, but the boy had disappeared.
>
> The mother found a police officer who told her to go to the gate and wait.
> Not really understanding the instructions, she did as she was instructed.
> About 45 minutes later, a man approached the border carrying the boy.
>
> The mother ran to him, grateful that he had been found. When the man realized
> it was the boy's mother, he dropped the boy and ran himself. The police were
> waiting for him and got him.
>
> The boy, was dead, in less than 45 minutes he was missing, and cut open, ALL
> of his insides removed and his body cavity stuffed with COCAINE.
>
> The man was going to carry him across the border as if he were asleep. A two
> year old boy, dead, discarded as if he were a piece of trash for somebody's
> cocaine.
>
> If this story can get out and change one person's mind about what drugs
> mean to them, We are helping.
>
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[CTRL] U.S. & other Agricultural BioTech companies

1999-08-27 Thread Dave
Title: 



Agricultural BioTech companies. 
Some create and market Genetically engineered 
products.
Some use Genetically engineered products from 
others in foodstuffs.
Probably ALL will be carefully watching as 
Monsanto and the whole industry appear to be RESOUNDINGLY rebuffed by public 
opinion - and now by investors & Deutsche Bank.
Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~davehart
Abbott 
LaboratoriesChemical and agricultural products 
division of this large pharmaceutical & health products company.
ADMArcher Daniels 
Midland is a large agri-business and commodity processing company. 
AgraQuestDiscovers 
and develops novel compounds based on screening a wide range of natural 
sources.
AgrEvoHoescht-Roussel 
Uclaf and Schering JV focused on the manufacture and global marketing of 
agrochemicals. AgrEvo 
USA | AgrEvo CanadaDirect to Liberty Link® 
herbicide tolerance
AgriBioTech Inc.Fast 
growing company in seed and turf area.
AgriOneProviding an 
on-line opportunity to buy/sell agricultural commodities, equipment, and 
services.
Agway Agricultural 
ProductsAAP is made up of regional enterprises that 
deliver Agway products to farmers in local markets. Seedway is a subsidiary of AAP and 
specializes in a broad range of vegetable seeds from the major 
breeders.
American CyanamidLarge international crop protection company. Parent company is American 
Home Products.
BASFLarge multinational 
chemical, plastics, and specialties company, including agrochemicals.
Bayer: German | EnglishLarge multinational chemical, materials, and health care company. 
Agrochemical sales are about 10% of the total revenues.Bayer-U.S. Crop 
ProtectionProduct information, MSDS, and labels, related 
to crop protection in the U.S.
CargillFounded by the 
son of a Scottish sea captain, Cargill is now the largest private company in the 
US: engaged in a range of activites related to trading, processing, shipping, 
and producing agricultural and bulk commodities.Direct to Cargill agribusinesses.Direct 
to Cargill Hybrid Seeds.
CaseLarge equipment manufacturer: site contains buyer's guide and local 
dealer locator.
CDMSCrop Data Management Systems offer PC-based software services for crop 
protection retailers throughout the US. Provide on-line access to crop 
protection product labels and MSDS's for over 1200 products from over 75 
manufacturers. Direct to list for 
MSDS/label searches.
ConAgraLarge 
integrated agribusiness. Slogan is "Across the food chain, around the 
world."
Crop Quest Agronomic 
ServicesEmployee owned crop consultancy, based in 
Kansas and serving over 1 million acres across KS, CO, OK, TX, and 
NB.
DA-SH Board.This 
company has developed an innovative calibration system for professional matching 
of flower colors, called the Nature Color Catalog. Online chart can also be used 
to view thousands of different color-flower combinations.
Deere & Co.Large 
equipment manufacturer with products for agriculture and grounds 
maintenance.
DeKalb GeneticsSeed 
and genetics company, with a focus on corn hybrids. Acquired by 
Monsanto.
Dow AgroSciencesFormerly DowElanco (changed 1/98), Dow AgroSciences is a division of Dow 
with a large crop protection portfolio and biotech operations.

  MycogenBiotechnology and seed company. Now wholly-owned by 
Dow.
E.I. du Pont de Nemours & 
Co.Large multinational chemical, fibers and 
materials company. Agricultural chemical sales are around 5% of total revenue. 
Developing a significant presence in agbiotechnology, especially in 
commercializing quality traits.Direct to DuPont Agricultural Products
ExSeed GeneticsGenetics/breeding company covering contract R&D and contract 
production for special traits in corn, soybeans, and wheat.
Farmland IndustriesFarmer-owned cooperative system with activities ranging from agricultural 
supply to consumer foods.
FMC CorporationMultinational chemical, specialties and equipment company. Agriculture 
related sales are around 13% of total revenue. Site includes product index 
search.
Golden HarvestLarge family-owned seed company producing hybrid corn, sorghum, soybeans, 
and alfalfa.
Great LakesSpecializing in proprietary hybrid corn and seed distribution.
Growmark OnlineFull-line agricultural supplier based in the US Midwest, and selling the 
"FS" brandname.
Helena Chemical Co.Distributor and marketer of a range of agchem and crop 
products.  Direct to the Helena California site dedicated to 
CA agricultural needs.
GarstSeed company 
with major activities in hybrid corn in the U.S. Parent company is Advanta which 
is a 50:50 JV between Zeneca and Cosun.
ISK BiosciencesISK 
Biosciences manufactures and markets agricultural and specialty chemical 
products. Parent company is Ishihara Sangyo Kaisha Ltd (Japan).
Kemira AgroInternational producer of fertilizers, plant nutrients and specialty 
biopesticides.
MonsantoMultinational chemical specialties and pharmaceutical company: operating 
under the new banner of Life Sciences. Create

[CTRL] FW: BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Barr, Press [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 4:05 PM
To: Barr, Press
Subject: BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO


BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO

WASHINGTON, DC -- U.S. Representative Bob Barr (GA-7) today posed a series
of questions to President Clinton regarding military involvement during a
1993 attack in Waco, Texas that left over 80 Americans dead.  The text of
Barr's letter follows:

"I am disturbed to learn your Department of Justice has apparently spent the
past six  years lying to Congress and the American people about whether
incendiary devices were used in the Waco attack.  However, this issue pales
in comparison to emerging evidence indicating the Administration may also
have lied about the involvement of military special operations forces in the
assault on April 19, 1993.

"The Texas Department of Public Safety, and a former C.I.A. official have
indicated military forces were deployed as forward elements of the assault.
Additionally, there is further evidence, such as videotapes and Defense
Department documents, that corroborate this evidence.

"As you know, using military forces for domestic law enforcement is
expressly  illegal under U.S. posse comitatus law.  For this reason, I urge
you to reveal all the facts regarding military involvement at Waco
immediately, so those responsible for any legal violations can be swiftly
disciplined and prosecuted.  To that end, I ask that you provide answers to
the following questions immediately:

1) Were any active duty or reserve armed forces personnel
present at, or in any other manner connected with, the planning, execution
or review of the Waco assault?

2) If such personnel were so utilized, how many soldiers
were used, what units were they drawn from, and what was their precise role
in the assault?

3) If military personnel were so utilized, did they
discharge any weapons or explosive devices, or assist law enforcement
personnel in doing so?

4) In addition to personnel, what equipment and ordnance did
the military utilize or make available during the siege and assault?

5) If military personnel were so utilized, who issued the
orders allowing their involvement and did those orders provide for explicit
rules of engagement?

6) As a matter of policy, who in your administration had the
authority on April 19, 1993 to order military involvement in domestic law
enforcement?

7) Given reports that military operations against the Branch
Davidians were predicated at least in part on allegations of U.S. drug law
violations, which might provide the only legal basis on which military
equipment -- not personnel -- could be used in Waco, why was there no hard
evidence before, during, or after the assault of drugs, drug paraphernalia,
and any other violations of U.S. drug law?

"One of the bedrock principles of our republic is a firm and inviolable
separation between the military, and domestic politics and law enforcement.
>From the beginnings of civilization, history is littered with the wreckage
of nations who failed to maintain this distinction.  In the wake of these
revelations, you have a responsibility to take every step in your power to
ensure Congress and a concerned public the firewall between the military and
domestic law enforcement is intact.  If it is not intact, it is imperative
we take steps to rebuild it."

Barr, a former federal prosecutor, serves on the House Judiciary and
Government Reform Committees, and served on the 1995 panel that investigated
the Waco incident.

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[CTRL] Consumer Policy Institute: require LABEL on GE foods !

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

August 25, 1999

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Reuters [BR] via NewsEdge Corporation :

A leading U.S. consumer group called Tuesday for the U.S. government to
require labels on food products containing ingredients made from genetically
modified crops.

Consumers Union said it was making the recommendation after a survey
published in the September issue of its Consumer Reports magazine found that
many common food products contain genetically modified ingredients.

Despite the group's recommendation, the article in Consumer Reports noted
that "there is no evidence that genetically engineered foods on market are
not safe to eat."

"The U.S. requires labeling orange juice 'from concentrate' and vegetables
as 'frozen,'" said Jean Halloran, director of the Consumer Policy Institute,
a division of Consumers Union. "Ignoring 'genetically engineered' threatens
to undermine public trust in a labeling system millions rely on every day."
==
Genetically engineered foods on US supermarket shelves

August 25, 1999

NEW YORK, Reuters [HD] via NewsEdge Corporation : Only a third of Americans
surveyed recently were aware that US supermarkets now carry a wide range of
foods containing genetically engineered ingredients, according to the
September issue of Consumer Reports magazine.

Unlike Europe, the United States does not require labeling for genetically
engineered foods and ingredients. And unlike Europeans, Americans generally
do not appear to be concerned by the foods. This lack of concern may be
justified -- Consumer Reports notes that there is no scientific evidence
that casts doubt on the safety of genetically engineered foods.

In genetic engineering, scientists add genetic material from one source --
such as a plant, animal, or virus -- to the DNA of another living organism.
Some crops, such as corn, have been genetically engineered to resist pests
and diseases. Proponents of genetically engineered crops argue that the
products could create higher quality crops, cut down on the use of chemical
herbicides and pesticides, and increase crop yields.

But the technology has caused some scientists to worry about possible
negative effects of this gene splicing on other plants and animals.
Opponents -- spearheaded by environmentalists and organic farmers -- caution
that some insects could become resistant to the natural pesticide Bacillus
thuringiensis, which organic farmers use on their crops.

In addition, some scientists have speculated that genetic engineering could
potentially increase natural toxins or decrease nutrients in some foods.
Among environmentalists' concerns are reports that genetically engineered
corn might imperil the monarch butterfly and harm other beneficial insects.

In their study, Consumer Reports' investigators purchased a variety of
products from supermarkets this past winter and spring and found that many
of them contained genetically engineered ingredients, although none of them
were labeled as genetically engineered. Among the products that they found
had genetically engineered ingredients were certain soy-based infant
formulas, soy burger products, Ovaltine Malt powdered beverage mix, Bac-Os
Bacon Flavor bits, Bravos Tortilla Chips Nacho Nacho!, Old El Paso 12 Taco
Shells, and Jiffy Corn Muffin Mix.

Consumer Reports also notes that genetically engineered crops are grown on
more than one quarter of US cropland, according to recent industry
estimates. More than 35% of all corn, 55% of all soybeans, and almost half
of all cotton are now genetically engineered.

"If US consumers want to avoid (genetically engineered) food, their only
option is to buy organic products," according to a press release issued by
the magazine.
...
Monsanto Is Trying To Move Out Of The Line Of Fire


But Keeping Quiet Doesn't Mean That It's Backing Off

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

July 25, 1999

A cartoon in a British magazine plays on lyrics of an old song. A
businessman says to a farmer: "You say tomato, I say Monsanto."

Combining a new, low profile with an aggressive legal strategy, St.
Louis-based [ Monsanto Co. ] hopes that its explosive dealings in Europe can
avoid the lyrics that follow: "Let's call the whole thing off."

The name Monsanto has become synonymous with genetic engineering across
Europe even though it is just one of a half-dozen corporations investing in
genetic engineering and acquiring seed companies.

Stung by Europe's rejection of genetic engineering, Monsanto has
orchestrated an about-face in its public relations strategy.

A year ago, the company carried out a multimillion-dollar advertising
campaign in Britain and France inviting a dialogue on genetic engineering.
These days, seldom do you hear a peep from Monsanto. Instead, company
spokespeople typically defer to trade associations and direct people to Web
sites.

"It doesn't do a lot of good to always be on the firing line," said one
company official, referring to the company's old role of acting as a glob

[CTRL] REGISTERED LARGE-SCALE GMM USERS IN THE UK

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

REGISTERED LARGE-SCALE GMM USERS IN THE UK

Centres registered as undertaking large scale work with GMMs and their reply
or comments in response to a letter and follow-up phone calls from GeneWatch
requesting further information about their activities and monitoring
arrangements.

CENTRE NAME AND ADDRESS   &  REPLY

BRF
Lyttel Hall, Nuffield, Redhill Surrey RH1 4HY   None

Carlsberg Tetley Brewing Ltd
107 Station Street, Burton upon Trent, Staffs, DE14 1BZ
 Used for testing GM yeast in beer production - not in commercial use.

Celltech
Therapeutics Ltd, 216 Bath Road, Slough, SL1 4EN
 Have sold their commercial production division using GMMs to Lonza
Biologics

Chiroscience Group Plc
Holmewood Hall, Holme, PE7 3PG
 Use large scale but claimed commercial confidentiality

Delta Biotechnology
Mabel Street, The Meadows, Nottingham NG2 3ED
 None

Delta Biotechnology
5 Crocus Street, The Meadows, Nottingham NG2 3DE
 None

Delta Biotechnology Ltd
Castle Court, 59 castle Boulevard, Nottingham NG7 1FD
 None

Eli Lily & Co Ltd
Fleming Road, Speke, Liverpool, L24 9LN
 None

Genzyme Biochemicals
50 Gibson Drive, King's Hill, West Malling, Kent ME19 6HG
 None

Hoechst Roussel Vet Ltd
Walton Manor, Milton Keynes MK7 7AJ
 None

Imperial Biotechnology Ltd
Southbank Technopark, 90 London Road, London SE1 6LN
 None - could not locate for follow-up call.

Lonza Biologics Plc
226/228 Bath Road, Slough, SL1 4DY
 None

Medeva Pharmecuticals Ltd
Gaskill Road, Speke, Liverpool, L24 9GR
 None

MRC Cell Mutation Unit
University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9RR
 No large scale IB use - small scale only, no commercial.

Murex Biotech Ltd
Central Road, Temple Hill, Dartford, Kent, DA1 5LR
 None

Pfizer Central Research Ltd
Ramsgate Road, Sandwich, Kent, CT13 9NJ
 None

Queen Mary & Westfield College
University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS
 Research only, no commercial.

Quest International
Menstrie, Clackmannanshire, FK11 7ES
 Research use only, no commercial.

Sigma Aldrich Co Ltd
Fancy Road, Poole, Dorset, BH12 4NZ
 None

Smithkline Beecham
Coldharbour Road, The Pinnacles, Harlow, Essex CM19 5AD.
 Research use, no commerical production*.

Smithkline Beecham
Shewalton Road, Irvine, Ayrshire, KA11 5AP
 None

Smithkline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
Great Burgh, Yew Tree Bottom Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 5XQ.
 Closed

Smithkline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
Clarendon Road, Worthing, West Sussex BN14 8QH.
 GMMs used to manufacture enzymes*

Tate and Lyle Citric Acid
Denison Road, Selby, North Yorkshire, YO8 8EF.
 No large scale use

Unilever Research
Colworth Laboratory Colworth House, Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire, MK44 1LQ.
 No large scale use

University of Cambridge
Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 2QL
 None

University of Cambridge
Tennis Court Road, Cambridge, CB2 1QT.
 None

University of Coventry
Biology Department, Priory Street, Coventry CV1 5FB
 None

University of Cranfield
Biotechnology Department, Cranfield, Bedfordshire, MK43 0AL
 No IB since 1989 and never commercial

University of Newcastle upon Tyne
School of Biological and Nutritional Sciences, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE1 7RU
 Not currently engaged in any large scale work

University of Westminster
115 Cavendish Street, London W1M 8JS
 No commercial use large scale pre 1992

Zeneca Agrochemicals Limited
Jealott’s Hill Research Station, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 6EY.
 None

Zeneca Bioproducts
PO Box 2, Belasis Avenue, Billingham Cleveland TS23 1YN
 None

Zeneca Pharmaceuticals
Alderley Park, Macclesfield, Cheshire, SK10 4TG
 None

Dave Hartley
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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread TenebrousT

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 8/27/99 12:40:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and
>  > > fucking little girls.  Nice religion.
>  >
>  > Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn
>  > them alive to prevent them from being abused".
>
>  Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
>  amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
>  amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
>  campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
>  actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.
>
>  This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially
>  evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce
>  productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage
>  in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering.
>
>  Is this a stretch?  Not at all.  The same people who're are Waco
>  conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.  The propaganda
>  campaigns are well-coordinated, eh?  Think about it.
>

You amaze me Ric!  Someone who so unashamedly claims to be the champion of
rationality choosing a "vast Byzantine conspiracy" involving China and
anti-science-ists over the much simpler (and according to Occams razor the
more likely) scenario that it is the government itself that is selling the
disinfo swill, because they fucked up and because they had no business there.
 I don't need to remind you that the government HAS, IS DOING, and WILL
CONTINUE to do these things do I?  Of course I can only go by what history
has already shown us and it isn't pretty as far as our government is
concerned.  Now how did evolution get into this thread?  Evolution and
science, whether fact or fiction, have nothing to do with the fascist police
state tactics that were employed in this "assault."  Of course for six years
the DOJ lied and said NO, I repeat NO incendiary devices were fired, BUT, lo
and behold they did use them after all.  Well, it makes me wonder what else
they are hiding and what the Texas Rangers have, but I guess you don't care
because they now admit it and you still believe it was the Davidians
themselves who started the fire.  Couldn't have been the government, because
they are always right, even if it takes six years to admit to doing something
that they "claim" could not have caused any harm in the first place.  Yeah
the good old government is always out for our best interests huh Ric.

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[CTRL] High Times

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

 -Caveat Lector-

"" Fully 80 percent of the heroin consumed in Europe comes via
the Balkans. ""  << But the KLA/UCK don't have nuthin' ta do wit
this ... and don't forget it!!  A<>E<>R >>

> World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org
>
> -
> WSWS : News & Analysis : Medicine & Health
>
> UN reports reveal global growth of drug abuse
>
> By Steve James
> 28 August 1999
>
> Back to screen version
>
> Two recent reports by the United Nations Drugs Control Programme
> (UNDCP) provide an insight into the global spread of drug abuse.
> "Global Illicit Drug Trends" was compiled from questionnaires
> sent to national governments requesting information on drug
> seizures by police and customs officials. "The Drug Nexus in
> Africa" was drawn out of information forwarded by drug control
> agencies in 10 African states. In the language of statistics,
> they provide an overview of the scale and depth of drug use
> internationally. The African report in particular sheds some
> light on the social, economic and political origins of drug
> taking.
>
> "Global Illicit Drug Trends" points out that the illicit drug
> trade is a complex and massive global industry, with markets in
> every country of the world. The growth in world commerce and the
> explosion in global finance markets have made it much easier for
> the drug cartels to move their money around and obscure the
> source of the immense profits being made by the criminal
> syndicates controlling the trade.
>
> Illegal drugs account for $400 billion of world trade, making it
> larger than the global iron and steel industries. The 1997 "World
> Drug Report" noted that there were at least 141 million drug
> abusers globally, including 8 million heroin addicts, 30 million
> amphetamine users and 13 million cocaine users.
>
> The two new reports provide more data. In 1986, world opium
> production was around 2,000 tonnes. By 1994 this had trebled to
> over 6,000 tonnes and in 1997 stood at 5,000 tonnes. Seizures of
> heroin follow a similar pattern, with 1,000 tonnes seized in
> 1984, rising to 3,000 in 1995. Ninety percent of the world's
> opium is grown in Afghanistan and Burma (called Myanmar by its
> military government). In 1998, 63,700 hectares were devoted to
> growing opium in Afghanistan alone. New areas are continually
> entering production. Iran and the central Asian republics of the
> former Soviet Union contain much prime growing land.
>
> Many of the world's opiate addicts can be found close to these
> producing areas, where half of all opium is consumed. In some
> producing areas in Iran, 4 to 6 percent of the population are
> opium addicts. The country has an estimated 1.2 million opiate
> addicts, including 150,000 using heroin. In the producing areas
> of Laos and Thailand the addiction rate is as high as 10 percent.
> Fully 80 percent of the heroin consumed in Europe comes via the
> Balkans. Of opium from South East Asia, up to 50 percent is sent
> to China.
>
> In 1986, two countries reported an increase in heroin abuse, 21
> did so in 1996. While use has supposedly stabilised in Western
> Europe, apart from the UK, Ireland and the Nordic states,
> increases in addiction were noted in the Confederation of
> Independent States, Eastern Europe and countries on the Balkan
> route, as well as in the producing areas. Pakistan, where opium
> use was negligible in the early 80s, now has 2 million addicts.
> One million heroin addicts are registered in India, and
> unofficially there are as many as five million. China now has
> 540,000 registered addicts, up from 150,000 in 1991.
>
> In the United States and Canada, where in 1991 there were 360,000
> heroin abusers, there are now 600,000. In the UK, Ireland,
> Denmark and Italy 2 percent of 16- and 17-year-olds have used
> heroin.
>
> Worldwide, 11 percent of AIDS cases are estimated to be due to
> drug users injecting with dirty needles—particularly heroin
> addicts. Countries reporting a rise in injection between 1996 and
> 1998 noted a 37 percent increase in HIV infection.
>
> Use and production of cocaine has also increased. World
> production is centred on Latin America: Colombia (56 percent),
> Peru (28 percent) and Bolivia (16 percent). Together, these
> countries produce nearly 180,000 tonnes of coca leaf. In 1998,
> eradication programmes destroyed 98,630 hectares of coca leaf
> crops, up from 3,446 hectares in 1986. About 420 tonnes of coca
> leaf are needed for one tonne of cocaine. Processing is done in
> the countries of origin. The street price of cocaine averages
> $110 a gram. Most Latin American cocaine is sent to the US,
> although some reaches Europe. Six percent of American young
> people have used cocaine, or its “crack” variant; in the Bahamas
> it is 6.4 percent, and 4.5 percent in Kenya. Many people in the
> growing areas use raw coca leaf itself, or other unrefined
> products.
>
> In 1985, 400 laboratories were detected mak

[CTRL] Boeing Workers Brace For Strike (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:51:04 -0500
Friday August 27 3:45 AM ET

Boeing Workers Brace For Strike

By Martin Wolk

EVERETT, Wash. (Reuters) - With tense contract talks entering their final
hours, Boeing Co. workers said Thursday they were bracing for a possible
strike even as they gushed with pride over the aerospace giant's latest
wide-body jet model.

As a gleaming 767-400 was towed out of Boeing's huge factory north of
Seattle in a carefully choreographed ceremony, a group of several hundred
unionized Machinists chanted slogans and turned their back in protest
against what they consider a lack of respect from management in talks
aimed at reaching a new contract before the current four-year deal
expires at midnight Wednesday.

``I think we're going to go on strike,'' said Todd Glenn, a mechanic at
the Everett plant. ``I hope we do -- I'm tired of working 10 hours a day
and seven days a week.''

The Machinists' protest was nearly drowned out by the strains of a
56-piece marching band, and after the ceremonial rollout many of the
workers drifted back to take a close look at the jet, a new version of
the twin-engine, twin-aisle 767 with increased passenger capacity.

Charles Grieser, a lead quality assurance inspector, said proudly that
federal aviation officials had found only one workmanship defect in 200
factory inspections of the 201-foot-long jet's fuselage.

``They crawled all over there, poking around with flashlights,'' he said.
``One mistorqued bolt -- I should have saved it.''

But he said he was ready to strike unless Boeing backs up its demands for
more flexible work schedules with an offer of premium pay.

``We're capitalists -- we're not socialists,'' he said.

Boeing commercial airplane group President Alan Mulally said he was
``cautiously optimistic'' the two sides would reach agreement without a
strike.

``We're making really good progress,'' he told reporters at the ceremony.
``Our focus now is getting an agreement that we all feel good about, and
then we can move forward.''

He also said the midsized 767 family, which seats from about 200 to 375
passengers depending on the exact model, had a 70 percent share in its
size category, making it a potent weapon in the company's battle against
European rival Airbus Industrie.

Mulally declined to discuss any strike contingency plans, but he
acknowledged that a work stoppage by the 48,000 Machinists, nearly a
quarter of the company's work force, would bring airplane production to a
halt, as it did in 1995 when the union struck for 69 days.

Bill Johnson, president of the union's biggest local and one of its main
negotiators, said he remained pessimistic about the prospects for an
agreement by Friday, when the union has asked for the company's ``best
and final'' offer.

A Boeing spokesman said the company was on track to present its final
offer Friday morning, giving union members several days to study it
before an expected vote Wednesday.

Unionized workers, who described the prevailing mood in the factory as
one of anger, said few people had been making major purchases as they
prepare for the possibility of living on $100-a-week strike pay.

``For most people, signing a new contract is when you start saving for
the next one,'' said one 20-year Boeing veteran, who declined to give his
name. ``It's like if you live in an earthquake zone. You prepare yourself
for an earthquake.''


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[CTRL] Fw: Another Bush-drug rumor (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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-Original Message-
From: CM
Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 7:47 AM
Subject: Another Bush-drug rumor


>For all you political junkies out there, here is the latest rumor posted by
>the Roadwomen (River Oaks Area Democratic Women) in Houston. I love it. Can
>anyone confirm?

>---
---
>--
>
>The info coming out now is that Bush did community service at a Martin
Luther
>King Community Center in exchange for getting a cocaine-related violation
>expunged.
>Some speculate that this might be why he got a new drivers license number
>a few years ago.
>
>George W. Bush was ordered by a Texas judge to perform community service
>in exchange for expunging his record showing illicit drug use. This
>occurred in the late 1960s/early 1970s. The community service was at the
>Martin Luther King, Jr. Community Center in Houston, Texas. Bush now
>uses this service as "proof" of his long involvement in and concern for
>minorities. The center was and still is run by Madgelean "Madge" Bush, no
>relation to George W. Bush.
>
>

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[CTRL] Waco: Barr

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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>From www.house.gov/barr/p_082799.html


> August 27, 1999
> -
> --- BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO
>
>
> WASHINGTON, DC -- U.S. Representative Bob Barr (GA-7) today posed
> a series of questions to President Clinton regarding military
> involvement during a 1993 attack in Waco, Texas that left over 80
> Americans dead.  The text of Barr's letter follows:
>
> "I am disturbed to learn your Department of Justice has
> apparently spent the past six  years lying to Congress and the
> American people about whether incendiary devices were used in the
> Waco attack.  However, this issue pales in comparison to emerging
> evidence indicating the Administration may also have lied about
> the involvement of military special operations forces in the
> assault on April 19, 1993.
>
> "The Texas Department of Public Safety, and a former C.I.A.
> official have indicated military forces were deployed as forward
> elements of the assault.  Additionally, there is further
> evidence, such as videotapes and Defense Department documents,
> that corroborate this evidence.
>
> "As you know, using military forces for domestic law enforcement
> is expressly  illegal under U.S. posse comitatus law.  For this
> reason, I urge you to reveal all the facts regarding military
> involvement at Waco immediately, so those responsible for any
> legal violations can be swiftly disciplined and prosecuted.  To
> that end, I ask that you provide answers to the following
> questions immediately:
>
>1) Were any active duty or reserve armed forces personnel
> present at, or in any other manner connected with, the planning,
> execution or review of the Waco assault?  2) If such
> personnel were so utilized, how many soldiers were used, what
> units were they drawn from, and what was their precise role in
> the assault?  3) If military personnel were so utilized,
> did they discharge any weapons or explosive devices, or assist
> law enforcement personnel in doing so?  4) In addition to
> personnel, what equipment and ordnance did the military utilize
> or make available during the siege and assault?  5) If
> military personnel were so utilized, who issued the orders
> allowing their involvement and did those orders provide for
> explicit rules of engagement?  6) As a matter of policy,
> who in your administration had the authority on April 19, 1993 to
> order military involvement in domestic law enforcement?
> 7) Given reports that military operations against the Branch
> Davidians were predicated at least in part on allegations of U.S.
> drug law violations, which might provide the only legal basis on
> which military equipment -- not personnel -- could be used in
> Waco, why was there no hard evidence before, during, or after the
> assault of drugs, drug paraphernalia, and any other violations of
> U.S. drug law?   "One of the bedrock principles of our republic
> is a firm and inviolable separation between the military, and
> domestic politics and law enforcement.  From the beginnings of
> civilization, history is littered with the wreckage of nations
> who failed to maintain this distinction.  In the wake of these
> revelations, you have a responsibility to take every step in your
> power to ensure Congress and a concerned public the firewall
> between the military and domestic law enforcement is intact.  If
> it is not intact, it is imperative we take steps to rebuild it."
>
> Barr, a former federal prosecutor, serves on the House Judiciary
> and Government Reform Committees, and served on the 1995 panel
> that investigated the Waco incident.


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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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--
>From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
snip
>
> Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
> amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
> amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
> campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
> actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.
>
> This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially
> evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce
> productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage
> in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering.
>
> Is this a stretch?  Not at all.  The same people who're are Waco
> conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.  The propaganda
> campaigns are well-coordinated, eh?  Think about it.
>

One of my friends had never owned a gun before Waco. Afterwards he joined am
militia, bought a bunch of guns and started handing out and selling (cheap)
patriot vidoes (many dealing with Waco). Anti-evolutionist? I doubt it. He
never mentioned his beliefs on that, though we lived in the same house for
over a year. Anti-science? He has a Phd in Chemistry and worked on a post
doc in quantum chemistry. Yes, you are making a stretch. But then I am sure
it isn't the first time.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 8/27/99 10:08:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> > > While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have to
>  > > keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was already in
>  > > place thanks to the Bush Administration...
>  >
>  > Yeah, right.  The "situation" of a bunch of "cult members" (defined
>  > as a religion without any political power) living together on a farm
>  > minding their own business.  If their leader was wanted for any
>  > crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily jog.
>
>  Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and
>  fucking little girls.  Nice religion.  The lessons are:
>
>   -- If you don't want gov't agencies to take too much interest in
>your religion, then don't deal weapons and don't take child brides;
>   -- If your religion necessitates that you deal weapons and fuck
>little girls, and you don't want gov't interference, then you
>should accumulate sufficient political/economic power to deflect
>said interference; and/or, move to a remote, sheltered location
>where surveillance/attack are difficult; and/or, be circumspect -
>don't let anyone know where you are or what you're doing.
>   -- If you MUST deal weapons AND screw kids AND be visible, be sure
>your funeral arrangements have been made.
>

Good analysis though very flawed.  There is no evidence that he was "dealing
weapons", which implies buying and selling in an unlawful way.  What he had
was a lot of guns.  So what?  He could have 10,000 guns, if he doesn't use
any of them for illegal activities no harm no foul in my book.  Give me a
source for his "gun dealing."  Next as to fucking little girls I know nothing
of any substantiated claims, that means proof, that any children were
molested in any way.  I think it was another sham story to justify murder by
the government.  They had to cook up something.  Incidentally I guess its
just okay by you if the government murders all the innocent children along
with the "evil" leaders huh?  Just like the inquisition you say kill them all
and let God sort them out.  I, for one, do not want my government taking it
upon themselves to murder and maim, for what?  We still don't know what it
was that was going on there and probably never will thanks t our vaunted
government and their shitty cover-up investigation.  No thanks.
If it weren't for these flaws you analysis is quite accurate as to what
happens when you don't have the power to be left unmolested.  That is why all
the underground pedophilia and snuff film, and satanic shit that makes its
rounds never comes to light, because all the perps got a LOT of money and a
LOT of power.  At Waco we had some deluded fools, who were murdered because
they had no political clout.  If that is a world where you are happy to live
in good for you, because you got it, as for me I want no parts of it.

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Re: [CTRL] BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO 8/27

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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Let us see here, Big splash in mainstrem media. One cia guy grilling the
prexy about the 'revelation' from another Cia guy. Gee, do you think that
they are just speaking up as citizens.

Patently shmudd.

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>
>August 27, 1999
>
>
>
>
>
>BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON
>
>MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO
>
>WASHINGTON, DC -- U.S. Representative Bob Barr (GA-7)

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 8/27/99 9:53:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> Yup, the same crew that engineered Ruby Ridge previously.  The same
>  Reagan/Bush Sr. teams effectively ran DoJ, FBI, CIA, et al, for some
>  months after Clinton took office - and may still run those agencies,
>  if Reno's claim of being kept in the dark is accurate.  Has Bush Sr.
>  maintained operative control ever since his stint as DCI?  Do these
>  agencies operate on their own, regardless of who occupies the White
>  House?  Who engineered 'NannyGate', which ensured that ineffective
>  Reno would be the figurehead at DoJ?  What'll be engineered to
>  ensure that Bush Jr. is the next figurehead in the White House?
>

Well, it is certain that the Bush administration had a grip on these
agencies, and it may also be true that they are run independent of the
Executive or the AG.  Reno is a putz and I refuse to let her off so easily
with a "she might have been left out of the loop".  She's in charge, whether
in name only or in fact, and because of that it is her responsibility and
frankly she couldn't go soon enough to suit me.  These organizations have a
limited autonomy to act at any rate and an agenda that does not necessarily
follow with that of the so-called administration.  BUT, WHEN Bush Jr. gets
into office he will be no figurehead.  He will be in control just like his
daddy and just like he was born and raised and pumped out of Skull and Bones
to do.  He will carry the torch of the NWO and the fascist police state with
all the pride any Lebensborn maybe could muster.  Let's make no mistake about
that.

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[CTRL] TWA 800: New Radar Data, New Questions (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Vol. 15, No. 35 -- September 20, 1999

Published Date August 27, 1999, in Washington, D.C.
 www.insightmag.com

New Radar Data, New Questions

By Kelly Patricia O'Meara


The National Transportation Safety Board has released radar data
from the night TWA Flight 800 crashed that reveal radar-blip
activity omitted from earlier reports.

New radar data relating to the July 17, 1996, explosion of TWA
Flight 800 that went down off the coast of Long Island, N.Y.,
inexplicably have just become available. The well-publicized
previous data focused narrowly on a 20-nautical-mile circle
centered on the crash site and was the basis of the FBI's
conclusion that there was little air or naval traffic in the
selected area at the time of the crash. But that restricted data
pattern, it turns out, is only a subset of a larger radar field.

The new data just obtained by Insight from sources at the
National Transportation Safety Board, or NTSB, show that between
the perimeters of a 22-nautical-mile circle and a
35-nautical-mile circle, a concentration of a large number of
radar blips appears to be moving into a well-known military
warning area closed to civilian and commercial traffic.

The anomaly presented by the additional data is as yet
unexplained. The Clinton administration previously has stated
that no concentration of military vessels was in the area that
night. Indeed, the Department of the Navy specified that the
closest naval vessel was the USS Normandy, 185 nautical miles to
the south.

The two radar charts accompanying this story are a representation
of official data supplied by the NTSB, one of the federal
agencies tasked with investigating the crash of TWA 800. The
original data, plotted by the NTSB, is from Exhibit 13A,
contained on a CD-ROM which included the entire Aircraft
Performance Group Chairman's Factual Report released to the
public at December 1997 hearings in Baltimore. But the additional
data are found on a floppy disk obtained by Insight from the NTSB
-- a disk which has the complete database of Exhibit 13A. Chart B
was plotted for Insight by independent radar technical experts.

Chart A focuses on the area within a circle of 20 nautical miles
centered on the crash site. NTSB identified only a Navy P-3 Orion
antisubmarine airplane, U.S. Airways Flight 217, TWA Flight 900
and four unidentified tracks moving at 30 knots, 15 knots, 12
knots and 20 knots as the only vehicles and/or objects noted
within a 10-nautical-mile radius of the crash site. The NTSB has
concluded that the unidentified tracks in Chart A all were
consistent with the speed of surface vessels.

The newly obtained data in Chart B include the same information
available in Exhibit 13A, but present additional data showing
that the level of surface vessels and aircraft activity increases
significantly outside the 20-nautical-mile boundary set by the
NTSB review.

Chart B shows the identical tracks of the aircraft and
unidentified surface vessels revealed in Chart A. But Chart B
also shows in excess of two dozen surface vessels and aircraft
detected by radar just beyond the 20-nautical-mile mark. Of
interest to experts who have reviewed the data plot is that most
of the surface vessels in Chart B appear to be heading in a
parallel movement toward Whiskey 105, or W-105 -- a military
warning area highly publicized to mariners and aviators, designed
to keep commercial aircraft and surface vessels out of harm's way
during military exercises. On the evening of the explosion, W-105
was activated for military exercises along with several other
warning areas along the Atlantic Coast.

Furthermore, Chart B reveals two aircraft just outside the NTSB's
20-nautical-mile boundary, one traveling at 475 knots in an
east-southeast direction heading toward W-105 and a second
aircraft that, in a span of approximately 30 minutes, appears to
fly into and out of W-105 on two separate occasions. When the
earlier data were released, both FBI and NTSB investigators said
that they were unable to identify all surface vessels and
aircraft within the area of the crash.

Radar technical experts who reviewed the data on Chart B for
Insight identify the tracks of approximately 30 surface vessels
and at least two aircraft that were outside the narrow perimeter
of the previously announced results and have not been made public
until now. When questioned about the newly released radar data,
Bernard Loeb, director of the Office of Aviation Safety at the
NTSB, said, "There are lots and lots of things out there, lots
and lots of surface vessels and airplanes. It's New York City."
However, when specifically asked whether the NTSB was aware of
any apparently synchronized parallel movement of vessels, Loeb
replied, "We don't see some large number of vessels running in a
parallel track in the same direction."

The FBI, which took the lead on the criminal investigation of the
downing of the Boeing 747 aircraft, was unaware at first that the
new radar data fro

[CTRL] Fwd: Spin-meisters, G.W. Bush Jr. And The New World Order

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan





8.27.99
Spin-meisters, G.W. Bush Jr. And The New World Order

We feel it necessary to address certain "rumors" now circulating which
have been generated by a "mill" of some renown.

The "mill" has recently put out an article in which they wax positively
ecstatic and giddy about their extensive elbow-rubbing with countless
"G-men" and other varieties of feds at the recent "Global Sciences
Congress" in Denver, Colorado.
 
These hordes of feds were cited by the "mill" as having provided same
with massive amounts of "information" (?) and play by plays on the ins
and outs of what's going on in the country right now; in terms
of which factions are vying with which other factions in the realms of
power politics and such, for control of the future direction of our nation.

Prominent among the claims made by these sources was that G. Dubya Bush,
handpicked by the lords of the New World Order to be our next President
(no, don't worry; no voting needed!), has in fact recently decided to
switch his allegiance to the cryptically-named "faction three."

OUR understanding of "faction three"--based on information from sources
OTHER than spooks or "G-men"--is that it pretty much represents the
'business as usual" crowd. In other words, the people who think that the
NWO's plans to exterminate and/or incarcerate hundreds of millions of
human beings are just a little extreme and what's much more important,
BAD FOR BUSINESS. They like things PRETTY MUCH as they are because they
MAKE A LOT OF MONEY THIS WAY.

We find it impossible to believe the gangsters and cutthroats of the
Bush empire have ANY genuine consideration or "benign" intentions at
heart for the PEOPLE in regard to their apparent conflict with the 'New
World Order". We see this conflict, if factual, as really nothing more
than squabbling and infighting for dominance among different factions of
gangsters and murderers.

There is no doubt George Bush Sr. and probably some or all of his sons
are MAJOR crooks, drug-runners and murderers. As in Iran-Contra, Panama,
 etc., etc., etc., etc. (though we can't be absolutely certain of this
in regard to his sons--only that Jeb and Dubya are BIGTIME drug-users
and dealers)

A good example of how the Bushes "do business" is the murderous rampage
waged against the innocent people of Panama by President George Bush;
all so he could topple from power and reel in his BUDDY Manuel Noriega;
before Noriega could go rogue on Bush and started spilling all kinds of
beans about just what kind of pies Georgy Porgy had his fingers in: make
that had his whole BODY in--up to the EYEBALLS.


Anyway, according to the line of "information" fed to the "mill" by
legions of spooky folks at Denver, Dubya and daddy (Heroin) Poppy Bush
have decided to bail on the New World Order and cast their lot with the
faction three crowd.

Corollary to this is the contention that Dubya, though a coke-fiend of
epic proportions and in addition an all-round cretin, is really not so
bad after all, and is probably responsible for the fact that the Texas
Department of Public Safety and the Texas Rangers have decided to
torpedo an already fast-sinking ship--the Clinton Administration/federal
government/NWO coverup about the Waco massacre.

Another corollary to this is that the reason anybody anywhere is hearing
ANYTHING about Dubya's coke habits and Poppy's coke/heroin importation
and distribution is for that very same reason: that the Bushes have
decided to throw their lot and their inestimably vast fortune behind
faction three as opposed to the New World Order. Therefore, in order to
bring Dubya and Poppy back into the New World Order fold, Dubya is
getting hell in the press over the cocaine issue, and if he doesn't come
back on board his presidential ambitions will be dust in the wind. In
fact this last aspect DOES make some sense and we made this EXACT point
in a recent article we published. AGAIN however, we CERTAINLY don't
believe that G. Dubya, Poppy or anyone associated with them in any way
has any genuinely benevolent agendas running at all.

Tangentially, we at NewsHawk have been getting prodded from various
quarters to "lay off' Dubya and Poppy on the "drug thing" for this very
reason--because they are better than they alternative.

Well, guess what. We don't agree. What's more, for the "rumor mill" or
anyone else to put such unqualified faith in the utterances of federal
spooks, spin-meisters and other weirdos on ANY issue seems to us the
absolute height of insanity--a common definition of insanity being 
repeating the same action over and over but expecting to get a different
result. In other words, no SANE person would expect to be getting
anything resembling "truth" from the mouths of these KINGS of lies and
disinformation who have utterly misled everyone in sight since the dawn
of time--or certainly since the dawn of color TV.

Trying to paint Dubya and/or Poppy as anything other than vicious,
vindictive, bloodthirsty murderers, pillagers and rapist

[CTRL] Fwd: The Globalization Horror Picture Show

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan





The Globalization Horror Picture Show
by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

A rebellion is brewing in Hollywood -- not on screen, but behind the
scenes.

The Screen Actors Guild, the Directors Guild of America and other
entertainment industry unions are protesting against "runaway" production
of film and television production.

Since 1990, the proportion of U.S.-developed films and television
productions produced outside of the United States has soared by nearly 100
percent, according to a study commissioned by the Directors Guild of
America and the Screen Actors Guild. According to the study, conducted by
the Monitor Company, a management consultant firm, the number of "economic
runaways" -- production located outside of the United States for
financial, not creative, reasons -- rose from 100 in 1990 to 285 in 1998.

The vast majority -- 85 percent -- of the out-of-U.S. productions located
to Canada, with most of the rest going to Australia or the UK. Productions
are migrating to Canada for a simple reason: lower costs. The Canadian
dollar has plummeted in value as against the U.S. dollar in 1990s. Wage
rates have risen at a slower pace than in the United States. And the
Canadian federal and provincial governments offer major tax subsidies to
film and TV productions. Overall costs are 25 percent less in Canada than
in the United States.

To many workers in Hollywood, especially camera people, grips and various
production workers, as well as lower tier actors and directors (supporting
actors, stunt people, associate directors and others) the Canadian shift
has become a serious jobs issue. If a film is shot in British Columbia
instead of Hollywood, Tom Cruise does not lose a job. But his stunt man
may find himself replaced.

>From the Canadian perspective, of course, things look quite different. To
those in the Canadian industry, the "runaway" productions are bringing
jobs, in a relatively high-paying, low-polluting industry.

What makes this point of view particularly compelling is the overrunning
of Canadian media in the last couple decades by the U.S.-based
multinational media giants.

Less than 1 percent of English-speaking screen time in Canada is devoted
to Canadian film productions, says Garry Neil, a Canadian consultant on
cultural policy issues. Pressure from the Motion Picture Association of
America has stymied Canadian attempts to adopt domestic movie distribution
regulations designed to build up Canadian counterparts to the Hollywood
studios, and thus to develop an institutional means of support for
Canadian productions.

When Canada tried to foster space for its domestic periodicals against
U.S. competitors, the United States took the issue to the World Trade
Organization and forced revocation of the Canadian magazine protections.
(Canada had sought to ban "split run" publications -- those produced for
the U.S. market and then sold in Canada with the same copy but
Canada-specific ads. The fear was that Canadian publications, sold in a
market approximately one-tenth the size of the United States, would be
unable to compete with U.S. publications that could cover editorial costs
from the much larger U.S. market.)

Efforts to promote Canadian cable channels, including a Canadian country
music station, have foundered in the face of the economic clout of U.S.
media companies.

In this context, it is hard to blame the Canadians for offering tax breaks
and aggressively courting the U.S. movie and TV show makers. If they
cannot nurture their own industry, why not lure the U.S. firms to locate
production in Canada?

But the rank-and-file U.S. film industry workers are also right to
perceive a threat to their livelihoods.

Right now, the U.S. unions are responding to the "runaway" problem by
campaigning for federal and California tax breaks designed to offset the
Canadian tax subsidies. They say these should be "wage-based" tax credits,
but there is no getting around the fact that the benefits will accrue to
the big production studios.

We are thus in the middle of a race to the bottom in tax giveaways, a
zero-sum game in which the only ultimate winner will be Warner Brothers,
Disney, Fox, Sony and the other giant media companies.

"The fact is," says Rafe Greenley of the Screen Actors Guild, "in a global
economy, the one thing that can move [most] easily is" TV and film
production. There are no factories to relocate, no heavy equipment to
move.

Even cultural production, supposedly one of the great strengths of the
U.S. economy, turns out to be prone to the destructive dynamics of
corporate-driven globalization.

Unless public outrage forces a rewrite of the script, this is story set to
have an unhappy ending, with the bad guys laughing all the way to the
bank.

Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime
Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based
Multinational Monitor. They are co-authors of Corporate Predators: The
Hunt for Megaprofits and the

Re: [CTRL] Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege

1999-08-27 Thread Howard R. Davis III

 -Caveat Lector-

I am glad they clarified this. I was beginning to think that they might have
some honest Americans working at the Texas DPS. I should have known.

Howard Davis

--
>From: Bard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege
>Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999, 8:29 PM
>

>
>
>  http://www.texasranger.org/FBI.htm
>
> Sorry!
>
> Overlooked including the URL in previous Post.
>
> Bard


August 27, 1999
  Statement regarding DPS Tear Gas Round Investigation.

As the DPS said shortly after the fire at the Branch Davidian
compound in 1993, the Ranger
inquiry, which was requested by the U.S. Department of Justice,
would be the most
complicated in the organization's history.

Nearly a third of the Texas Ranger Division, working with DPS crime
lab personnel, DPS
Special Crimes investigators and other DPS personnel, collected
thousands of pieces of
evidence at the scene. Though the fire occurred six years ago, the
DPS undertook the renewed
inquiry in June, at the direction of DPS Public Safety Commission
Chairman James B.
Francis Jr. in response to questions raised concerning some of the
evidence. We think it is
important to make this point:

The DPS is not investigating the FBI or the U.S. Department of
Justice. Once the Rangers
have completed their inquiry, the results will be sent to the U.S.
Attorney's Office in Waco,
which has jurisdiction in this matter. In response to other
frequently-asked questions:

1. The DPS must limit its public comments concerning this matter
because of a pending civil
suit since evidence collected by the DPS will be a factor in the
trial.

2. The current DPS inquiry started in June.

3. The findings of the current inquiry, which is nearly complete,
will be made available to the
U.S. Attorney's Office.

Any action taken after that point would be up to the Justice
Department.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: SNET: ALERT! TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST]

1999-08-27 Thread Nicola Molloy

 -Caveat Lector-

Christopher Goodheart wrote:
>
> RED ALERT!  Insider reveals plans by Feds to use neutron bombs in U.S,
> provoking terror, Martial Law and purges of Patriots and militia
> leaders who would defend the Constitution.
>
> "If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess
> the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its
> experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." --Samuel Adams
>
> CAUTION:  This information sounds fanatical to those who have not
> followed the on-going expose's on the Internet about the Waco
> Massacre, Oklahoma City Bombing, TWA 800 whack, China-gate,
> Mafia-gate, etc.  The numerous cover-ups of the corrupt Clintonistas
> (power elite minions) are unravelling like never before.  To keep
> CONTROL (the "currency" of the power elite), these power elite
> desperados appear to be planning terror on a much larger scale.
>
> Clinton has said we can expect terrorism soon, and indeed, like
> self-fulfilling prophecy, these desperate insiders may well wag the
> dog again, saying "I told you so" when it happens... conveniently
> grabbing some patriot, militia or Middle East scapegoats in the
> process.  [See background report on "WOLVES AMONG US" at
> www.TLCalliance.com/alert.htm]
>
> This is why the bankster/Clintonista collusion may choose to create
> and manage a crisis now that will put them in control even before Y2K
> chaos reigns. Something is clearly being planned along these lines.
> Pray for exposure and confounding of those involved.
>
> In the meantime, the best defense right now is a good offense.  Spread
> the word aggressively to preempt these plans.  It's well known that
> former sinister plans have been aborted when the element of surprise
> was lost.  SO GET THE WORD OUT!!!  Alert your neighbors, friends,
> acquaintances. Paul Revere had a horse and strong vocal cords. You've
> got e-mail and a phone. For God's sake, use them. If enough good
> people don't do enough to resist and reverse the plan and intent of a
> corrupt cadre of power elite insiders and their minions, the void will
> be filled by virtually Satanic forces that are on the move.  Invoke
> the power of Almighty God to "TAKE COMMAND" of this entire situation!
>
>  Get back to basics folks! God, Guns, Gold & Grub. Pray & Prepare like
> your life depends on it.  Stick to your guns.  And shoot straight!
> --C.G.
>
> "When the strong man fully armed guardeth his own court, his goods are
> in peace." --Jesus Christ [Luke 11:21.6]
>
> "I ask sir, what of the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm
> people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."  --George
> Mason, Founding Father who initiated and championed what became the
> Bill of Rights.
>
> "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained
> in arms, is the best most natural defense of a free country..."
> --James Madison
>
> EXCERPTS:
>
>  "Sometime during the dates of September 9th through 13th (these
> dates are tentative) at least ten Neutron bombs will be detonated in
> all major U.S. coastal cities. Cities named as targets include
> Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, New York, Boston and
> Miami.
>
>  "The bombs, according to the source, were brought into the U.S.
> "two weeks ago", or in mid-July, through Port Arthur in Texas. This
> operation is being facilitated by the Russians. However, factions of
> the U.S. and British governments are fully aware of it and will do
> nothing to stop it. In fact, in concert with the denotation of these
> nuclear weapons the named governments will plan for the "invasion" of
> a "peace-keeping" force in the U.S. These forces will also be used in
> Nazi-like fashion to seize dissidents and so-called "threats".
>
>  "...at least 50,000 U.S. citizens are to be "rounded up" and
> taken to "concentration camps" by the U.S. Government in collusion
> with foreign governments and bodies. This may take place sometime
> after or during September 9th through 13th,  1999.
>
>  "This mass culling of people will be conducted in raid-like
> fashion as "targets" are covertly taken from their homes, placed in
> unmarked vans, transport vehicles, and large Chinook helicopters.
> NATO, United Nations, and foreign troops will be used for this "round
> up". The people targeted will be sent to "concentration camps", in the
> words of the informant, where they will be killed.
>
>  "The informant mentions the "Red list", of which he and 50,000
> others are included, along with the 'Blue' and 'Green' lists. 'Those
> on the Red well be taken to FEMA concentration camps and immediately
> executed. The Blue will also be taken to FEMA camps and be given the
> choice between 're-education' or execution. The Green well be
> 're-educated' then returned to what is left of society', said the
> source."
>
> - introductory comments:
>
> Forwarded by Dr. Byron Weeks:
>
> As I try to convey th

Re: [CTRL] Drugs, Human misery

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

Drug Peace not War.

War always has 'collateral damage'.

May God Bless his soul.

Documentation? This should be in the news.
Om
K
-
In a message dated 8/27/99 8:19:28 PM, you wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
>My sister's coworker has a sister in Texas who with her husband was planning
>a weekend trip across the Mexican border for a shopping spree.
>
>At the last minute their baby sitter canceled, so they had to bring along
>their two year old son with them. They had been across the border for about
>an hour when the baby got free and ran around the corner. The mother went
>chasing, but the boy had disappeared.
>
>The mother found a police officer who told her to go to the gate and wait.
>Not really understanding the instructions, she did as she was instructed.
>About 45 minutes later, a man approached the border carrying the boy.
>
>The mother ran to him, grateful that he had been found. When the man realized
>it was the boy's mother, he dropped the boy and ran himself. The police were
>waiting for him and got him.
>
>The boy, was dead, in less than 45 minutes he was missing, and cut open, ALL
>of his insides removed and his body cavity stuffed with COCAINE.
>
>The man was going to carry him across the border as if he were asleep. A two
>year old boy, dead, discarded as if he were a piece of trash for somebody's
>cocaine.
>
>If this story can get out and change one person's mind about what drugs
>mean to them, We are helping.
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: "...he casually stuck my tooter up his nose...

1999-08-27 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 8/27/99 7:48:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> Oh well, political business as usual.  No wonder the establishment media
blew
>  the horn so loud about ancient cocaine use.  Much better everybody blather
> on
>  about that than about what Gov. Bush has been doing for his good friends
>  while serving the good folks of Texas.  Prudy
>

Snipped a lot there.  I had posted a while back much the same thing.  The
emphasis being on his supposed cocaine use is merely to turn down the lights
on all of his other shenanigans, which are MUCH worse.  The media loves to do
this, and because of that one must assume they are being controlled or are
willing conspirators.  They did the exact same thing with the Lewinsky
scandal.  While everyone was watching that dog and pony show Clinton was
double dealing with the Chinese, covering up the bribes he and Gore and the
DNC took to give China everything they wanted (the republicans in power were,
of course in on some of this cash as well or they wouldn't have stood for it
like they did), not to mention all of the other shit.  It is a diversion, and
now the next phase, they will now look more closely at Clinton so that Bush
will have a chance to pull some more fast ones while out of the spotlight.  I
think they are doing each other favors, just like Clinton and his daddy did
when they ran against each other in '92.

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[CTRL] Propaganda Strategy of Biotech Multinationals leaked out

1999-08-27 Thread Dave
Title: 



 Dave 
Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~davehart
 
from:
http://www.holisticmed.com/ge/propaganda.html

Propaganda Strategy of Biotech-Multinationals leaked outBack to GE Foods Dangers Page. Back to Health Page. 

The following article from the German magazine 'Raum und Zeit' 91 (Jan.98) 
(Ehlers Verlag).. was translated and posted by Franz Beck: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>on 
the newsgroup: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Propaganda Strategy of 
Biotech-Multinationals leaked 
out-by Ursel 
Fuchs, DusseldorfThe Gen-Multis (i.e. the biggest pharma groups) prepare 
for the gigantic brain-washing worth several billion US dollars using the media. 
It is probably the defusing and elimination of the instinctive fear of the 
Europeans of gene-altered food imported mainly from the USA.This 
enormous drive to manipulate the public opinion in Europe in favour of the 
gentech industry is the best proof of how false all claims of the harmlessness 
of gene-manipulated food have been - otherwise this propaganda battle would not 
be necessary.To counteract magazine 'Raum und Zeit' publishes in this 
issue (91, Jan/Feb 98) this strategy paper including an overview schema which 
shows the main directions of the propaganda. And we publish background 
information about the international public relations group Burson-Marsteller 
(B&M), which has a frightening influence on the politics in the 
world.Please copy the strategy paper, overview scheme and background 
information on B&M and distribute to food stores and retailers, because they 
are the main target of the strategy. Ursel Fuchs gives the overview of the 
attack on the public opinion.The image of the gentech industry is not at 
all blameless. The popularity of their products, specially the food sector, is 
questionable. This industry in trouble uses the old art of talking the products 
clean, because if arguments don't work, rhetoric must work. This is the task of 
Public Relations (PR), in this case experts like Burson-Marsteller, a Vermont 
based PR specialist. They manipulate the public opinion with information 
placement in media and campaigns. B&M is part of the Young & Rubicam PR 
conglomerate, third in the US advertising ranking.Their expertise: 
crisis communication for politics and industry. For example to pacify the 
frightened consumers in the case of BSE (mad cow disease), burst silicon breast 
implants, chemical accidents like Union Carbide in Bhopal, India. After heavy 
criticism of chemical giant Monsanto's soya beans, Monsanto founded the 
information bureau within Burson-Marsteller 'soya beans / biotechnology' to 
pacify the storm at the consumer front.A defensive and many times 
offensive reception by the consumer is the last thing the global conglomerates 
need to raise and establish gene-technology. This is why the consumer attitude 
has to be changed: the skeptic, critical attitude, well founded worry and open 
refusal against genetically manipulated food and the unrestricted use of 
genetically manipulated plants - we call it brain washing.A public 
relations (PR) strategy paper of Burson-Marsteller found its way into the 
offices of Greenpeace e.V., Hamburg. Ursel Fuchs reports: "It will be the main 
focus to change the public opinion about the Biotech industry - from simple 
acceptance to absolute enthusiasm!" (Lutz Mn ller-Kuhrt, Analyticon AG, Berlin 
in "Meeting the needs of the life science industry", Ernest & Young, 
business consultants)But the enthusiasm is mediocre in Germany, 
specially for genefood: about 80% of Germans find that gene technology should 
not be used; Austria voted in a referendum in spring 1997 against the free use 
of transgenic plants and no gentech food. In Bavaria a referendum has been 
started to label gene-tech free food as such. It is clear that the gentech 
industry has some image problem.Its not that they talk of crusades to 
establish gene technology, but rather of not to leave the consumer an option to 
choose. The big ones of the gentech industry feel encouraged from getting the 
Novel-food regulations so perfectly dished up by the politicians of the European 
Parliament, which gives them unrestricted chances to market genetically 
manipulated living beings.The 600 companies of the biotechnology and 
gene technology, amongst them all chemical and pharma enterprises of rank and 
name plus eleven national research groups, founded EuropaBio, the European 
association of biotech companies. The mission of this conglomerate which has a 
balance sheet total of over 500 billion US $ is, according to their internet 
home page, "to create a favourable climate for bio - and gene 
technology"."First, EuropaBio works with regional and national 
politicians and policy makers to create an environment of regulations and laws 
in which the bio industry of Europe can grow and expand" explain the biotech 
companies.They present very self confident EuropaBio a

[CTRL] Deutsche Bank report for investors: NO to Genetic Engineered food companies.

1999-08-27 Thread Dave
Title: 




Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~davehart
GUARDIAN (London) 
Wednesday August 25, 1999 

GM (Genetically Modified food) investors told to 
sell their shares

Paul Brown and John Vidal
Europe's biggest bank has advised the world's 
largest investors to sell their shares in leading companies involved in the 
development of genetically modified organisms because consumers do not want to 
buy their products.
In a report sent to several thousand of the 
world's large institutional investors, including British pension funds, Deutsche 
Bank says that "growing negative sentiment" is creating problems for the leading 
companies, including Monsanto and Novartis.
"We note that Monsanto has spent more than $1.5m 
(#1m) to persuade English consumers of the rectitude of their position, but 
alas, to no avail. Monsanto is little match for Prince Charles, an anti-GMO 
advocate, when it comes to sensitivity for the English people's desires," says 
the report.
"More broadly speaking, it appears the food 
companies, retailers, grain processors, and governments are sending a signal to 
the seed producers that 'we are not ready for GMOs'."
Since the report was circulated to investors, 
shares in companies named have fallen against a rising trend in stock markets 
generally and the frenzy to takeover seed companies has stopped. In the six 
months to yesterday Monsanto's stocks had fallen 11%, and Delta & Pine, a 
seed company that owns the terminator gene, which Monsanto is taking over, has 
lost 18% of its value.
The Deutsche Bank's Washington analysts, Frank 
Mitsch and Jennifer Mitchell, say it is nine months since they first voiced 
their concerns that the biotech industry was "going the way of the nuclear 
industry in this country, but we count ourselves surprised at how rapidly this 
forecast appears to be playing out.
"Domestic concerns regarding ag-biotechnology are 
clearly on the rise. For the most part, though, it has not gotten the attention 
of the ordinary US citizen, but when it does - look out."
Deutsche Bank's first research report, dated May 
21 and entitled GMOs Are Dead, said: "We predict that GMOs, once perceived as a 
bull case for this sector, will now be perceived as a pariah.
"The message is a scary one - increasingly, GMOs 
are, or in our opinion, becoming a liability to farmers," it adds. Non-GMO 
grains were already gaining a premium price which would, if the trend continued, 
far outweigh any economic benefit in growing GMOs.
The latest report, published last month under the 
heading Ag Biotech: Thanks, But No Thanks, says: "GMOs are being demonised by 
their opponents. What food manufacturer will 'take a bullet' for GMO corn in the 
face of such controversy?"
GM grains would have to be sold at a discount. 
"Farmers who planted (Monsanto's) Roundup Ready soya could end up regretting 
it." 
It could become an "earnings nightmare" for 
Pioneer Hi-Bred (a company due to be taken over by the chemicals giant DuPont) 
and for Monsanto which is buying Delta & Pine, a stock, the bank says, not 
worth holding on to.
The concerns of European consumers are real, 
concludes the report. "European consumers have recently been through the mad cow 
crisis, the French Aids-tainted blood crisis, the Dutch pig plague crisis, the 
Belgium chicken dioxin crisis, the Belgian Coca-Cola crisis, etc. Therefore 
hearing from unsophisticated Americans that their fears are unfounded may not be 
the best way of proceeding."
The report is a serious embarrassment to the 
Labour party because its pension fund has large investments in two leading GM 
companies, AstraZeneca and Novartis, both of which are reportedly considering 
selling their GM divisions after years of heavy investments but few 
returns.
Following European uproar over the crops, there 
has been a significant official cooling in the US. The US government and the 
biotech industry are preparing for a consumer and media backlash and the 
agriculture secretary, Dan Glickman, has told companies not to take consumers 
for granted.
The report coincides with growing official unease 
about claims made for GM crops. With the market for GM in Europe contracting as 
food processors turn their back on the products, Mr Glickman warned farmers they 
could be left with unwanted crops, and that small farmers could become "serfs on 
the land".
Recent US government research has shown that GM 
crops of maize, soya and cotton do not automatically produce greater yields or 
lower use of pesticides.
Sue Mayer of Genewatch said: "This shows the 
global impact of the concerns of pressure groups on this issue."
--
 
http://www.natural-law.ca/genetic/NewsJuly-Aug99/GEN8-25DeutscheCorn.html
GM INDUSTRY FACES COLLAPSE, SAYS 
BANK

August 25, 1999
Daily Mail via NewsEdge Corporation : THE City has turned against 
'Frankenstein Foods' with a warning from a leading investment bank that 
genetically modified cr

[CTRL] FCC wiretap rules delight FBI, disappoint critics (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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FCC wiretap rules delight FBI, disappoint critics

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Federal Communications Commission
Friday gave the FBI new authority to tap digital and wireless
phones, delighting the Justice Department and bitterly
disappointing privacy advocates and local phone companies.

FCC Chairman William Kennard declared his agency's actions "will
help ensure that law enforcement has the most up-to-date
technology to fight crime."

Traditional wiretap techniques do not work with digital
technology, which would be impenetrable without assistance from
the phone companies. The question has been how far phone
companies should go in assisting law enforcment.

The new rules force phone companies to turn over information so
that law enforcement authorities can determine the rough location
of cell phone callers and gather other kinds of detailed
information.

Attorney General Janet Reno said the new rules carry out a 1994
law preserving law enforcement's ability to wiretap in the
digital age, but privacy advocates said the decision expands
government surveillance into new areas.

Local phone companies said the new rules go beyond the
requirements of the law and would be expensive and technically
difficult to implement.

The new law permits law enforcement to use the power of digital
technology to locate cell phone callers and gather new kinds of
technical information from phone calls -- when a judge permits
it.

FBI Director Louis Freeh called the decision "an extremely
important and positive public safety ruling," adding that it
"goes a long way to balance public safety, privacy and the needs
of telecommunications carriers to remain competitive."

But the Center for Democracy and Technology, a high-tech civil
liberties group, said the decision was lopsided in favor of the
FBI and law enforcement, far from what the group had expected
when the 1994 law was passed.

"We thought that we had achieved a balanced statute when it
passed," said Jim Dempsey, senior staff counsel for the center.
"We took at face value the assurances of the FBI that this
statute would be used only to preserve and not enhance
surveillance power."

Dempsey said that did not happen. "The FBI violated the spirit of
that deal," he said.

A spokesman for the U.S. Telephone Association, representing
1,200 local phone companies including the Bell companies, agreed
the new rules were far too expansive.

"They go beyond what the law calls for," said David Bolger. He
said phone companies would seek an extension of a Sept. 30, 2001,
deadline to carry out the rules, because they imposed burdensome
costs and were technically difficult to meet.

The FCC decision gives police agencies with court permission the
right to obtain the locations of the cells, or local antennas,
that people use to make wireless phone calls.

Critics say that is the first step toward identifying the
location of cell phones, something they predict the government
will seek when that technology becomes cheap and available.

But an FCC official said in an interview that it was desirable to
know location.

"If a child were kidnapped, wouldn't you want (law enforcement)
to know the location where a (ransom) call was made?" said the
official.

The official added that police agencies have always known the
location of telephones, and said: "What we have done is provide
them the same capability in the wireless world," where people are
able to move around while making calls.

Under the order, police agencies may listen to all parties in a
conference call initiated by a court-ordered target of
surveillance, even when the person targeted is no longer part of
the conversation.

But in the past, such orders had never permitted agencies to
gather information during the call itself.

The new FCC order changes things so that any numbers punched into
a phone during a conversation are recorded. A person entering
credit card or other private codes would also have that
information recorded.

Government agencies that cannot get permission to wiretap, or do
not seek it, sometimes convince a judge to let them record
telephone numbers sent and received on an instrument.

The new FCC order expands that ability, so any numbers punched
into a phone during a conversation are recorded. A person
entering credit card or other private codes would have the
information recorded.

The FCC said law enforcement would ignore such information. But
Dempsey said: "The FBI has convinced the commission to give it
more information than it ever had before."

The FCC issued a press release summarizing the new rules, but the
rules themselves will not be be released until next week, an FCC
spokeswoman said.


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[CTRL] Case could shape future of gun control (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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08/27/99- Updated 12:35 AM ET



  Case could shape future of gun
  control

  The Second Amendment establishes a right to
  possess firearms. The question is: Is it an individual
  right or a military necessity?

  By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the
  security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
  and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. - Second
  Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, 1791
  Tucked inside this famous paragraph, amid the multiple
  clauses, odd punctuation and 18th-century syntax, lies
  the right that Americans both cherish and fear: the right
  to have a gun.

  But whose right is it anyway? Is there an individual right
  to own a gun, like the individual right to freedom of
  speech or religion? Or does the Second Amendment
  mean only that Americans can defend themselves
  collectively through state militias, like the modern-day
  National Guard?

  The debate over what the Second Amendment actually
  means has filled a forest of law review articles and
  scholarly papers over the past 10 years. Now it is about
  to spill out of the ivory tower and into the real world of
  guns and gun control.

  For the first time, a federal judge has ruled that the
  Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to
  own a gun. In the process, the judge invalidated a 1994
  federal law that denies guns to anyone who is under a
  restraining order to prevent him or her from harassing a
  spouse. The law was part of a measure aimed at
  reducing domestic violence by limiting access to guns.

  If the decision by a federal district court judge last April
  in Texas is upheld on appeal, it could be a huge setback
  for gun control advocates, placing perhaps hundreds of
  laws in danger of being struck down. And it would be a
  victory for gun control opponents such as the National
  Rifle Association, which has consistently argued that an
  individual's right to a gun is protected by the Second
  Amendment.

  An appeal of the case, U.S. v. Emerson, begins with the
  filing of briefs in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth
  Circuit in New Orleans Friday.

  The case, which is likely to be argued next January or
  February, is unfolding as liberal scholars such as
  Harvard's Laurence Tribe, who has long been hostile to
  the individual-rights argument, have begun to move
  toward the NRA's position.

  "The real-world consequences (of the Texas case) could
  be enormous," says Carl Bogus, a specialist on the
  Second Amendment at Roger Williams Law School in
  Bristol, R.I.

  If the lower-court ruling is upheld, "it would stand the
  law on its head," Bogus says. It would destroy Congress'
  ability to create gun control laws. Anyone arrested under
  current (gun control) laws could argue they're
  unconstitutional. This is not just an academic exercise."

  The renewed debate over the Second Amendment's
  meaning comes as recent shootings in Atlanta, Los
  Angeles and Littleton, Colo., have increased pressure
  for new gun control laws. This week, authorities in Los
  Angeles took the unprecedented step of banning sales of
  guns from the nation's largest gun show.

  The very fact that there is a debate is likely to surprise
  many Americans, many of whom assume that the Second
  Amendment already guarantees them the right to own a
  gun. A CBS News poll Aug. 15 found that 48% of adults
  believe there is an individual right to a gun, while 38%
  do not.

  Case began as domestic dispute

  The case began last August when Sacha Emerson, 26, a
  nurse from San Angelo, Texas, filed for divorce. The
  local court placed a restraining order on her husband,
  physician Timothy Joe Emerson, 41, after she
  complained that he had verbally threatened her
  boyfriend.

  Timothy Emerson owned a handgun, which
  automatically put him at odds with the federal law
  barring gun ownership by people under state restraining
  orders in domestic disputes. A federal grand jury
  in

[CTRL] "Shut This Man's Mouth!"

1999-08-27 Thread Linda Minor

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http://www.larouchepub.com/eir_talks/eir_talks_990810.html

August 10, 1999
EIR Talks
Host: Tony Papert

Guests: Jeffrey Steinberg, Debra Hanania Freeman





"EIR Talks" airs on Sundays on shortwave radio station WWCR at 5:00 p.m.
Eastern, on frequency 12.160 MHz. It also airs on many public access
television stations in the United States; see local listings.

Tony Papert: Welcome to "EIR Talks." It's Tuesday, August 10th, 1999.
Today's show is entitled "Death Threat to Presidential Candidate LaRouche,"
or alternately, "Off With His Head!" My name is Tony Papert, and with me in
the studio is EIR counterintelligence director Jeff Steinberg.

The August 5th issue of the mass-circulation British women's magazine Take a
Break, features a violent attack on Lyndon LaRouche under the inch-high
headline: "Shut This Man's Mouth!"

Four sentences which give the character of the article: It begins, "The
Queen is the target of a remarkable campaign being waged by a man who will
shortly stand for the Presidency of the United States. Although she's trying
to laugh it off, Buckingham Palace has grown increasingly alarmed at the way
the stories are being spread around the globe. They are being used to
seriously discredit Her Majesty's carefully nurtured reputation. This is the
biggest threat ever to the reputation of the Queen worldwide, especially
when combined with the stories about Princess Diana."

Speaking of LaRouche, it says, "This is the language of a dangerous man. In
the end, if the claims continue to gain currency, the matter will become
wholly political, and action will have to be taken by Prime Minister Tony
Blair. One commentator told Take a Break, "It is vital to protect the Queen
as a symbol of honesty and decency in a sometimes wicked world. She is a
figurehead who stands for all that is good about Britain. That must be
protected at all costs."

And the article ends with a single sentence: "Take a Break says it's time
that Lyndon LaRouche was told to shut his evil mouth, once and for all." So,
this is very threatening and violent language. But can it be taken
seriously? It's a semi-literate, semi-pornographic magazine for obviously
ill-educated or uneducated women.

Jeff Steinberg: Right. And for precisely that reason, it should be taken
extremely seriously. We've spoken to security specialists in Britain and
here in the United States, and they say there's a good reason why it was
initially floated in this Take a Break magazine, which goes out to about one
and a half million housewives, young teenage girls, and, you're right--it's
a semi-pornographic, women's kind of magazine.

But the fact is that it's going out to a certain constituency that does
represent the hard-core base of support for Queen Elizabeth and for the
British monarchy. The fact is that it was from the monarchy that this
message was delivered, and it was decided to deliver it through this kind of
boulevard publication.

Bear in mind, number one, that this crowd--the British Establishment, the
City of London, and their friends in the United States--have a previous
track record of both threatening and carrying out violent attacks against
Lyndon LaRouche.

Remember, it was Henry Kissinger, the self-confessed British agent, who
sought the persecution of LaRouche in the 1980s. And at one point, you had
400 federal, state, and local police, backed up by military units,
conducting a full-scale raid against LaRouche's residence in northern
Virginia.

This was before Waco, before Ruby Ridge. But there was an attempt to stage
the circumstances for a violent murder. So, it's in that context, for one
thing, that we've got to say, "Yes, any time this sort of blatant, murderous
threat to the life of Lyndon LaRouche comes forward, you've got to take it
seriously."

Tony Papert: Where does the threat come from?

Jeff Steinberg: Well, I think it's credible to say that it does come from
the British monarchy, but not as the royal household or Buckingham Palace
per se. It comes from the City of London and allied financial oligarchs, who
are increasingly becoming desperate over the fact that their system--this
globalized financial bubble--is rapidly reaching the point of explosion.

And under those circumstances, their concern is that, while they understand
and anticipate this explosion--in fact, they've been preparing for their own
political ascent in the post-crash world--it worries them that Lyndon
LaRouche, uniquely among statesmen and economists, is also looking at the
post-crash reality with a very different sense of what should be done.

His idea--LaRouche's concept--is: Bankrupt the financial oligarchy, once and
for all. Go back to a global system that represents the best elements of the
Bretton Woods System of 1944-57, but with the added feature of a
reinforcement of national sovereignty, national banking, the kinds of
policies that were instrumental i

[CTRL] Maryland will be first in fight for smart guns (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Maryland will be first in fight for
   smart guns
   Glendening pursues unproven technology for
   childproof arms

   By Michael Dresser
   Baltimore Sun Staff

   Gov. Parris N. Glendening says he believes the
   firearms industry needs a little push to make safer
   guns. He says Maryland's just the state to do it.

   Today, the governor will meet with the task force he
   named to draft legislation to require that all
   handguns sold in Maryland be fully childproof. He
   plans to tell the 21-member panel that he does not
   want a bill mandating trigger locks, but legislation
   that calls for sophisticated "smart gun" technology
   built into the weapon itself.

   Critics say Glendening's position is absurd -- that he
   wants to mandate use of a technology that does not
   exist and might never. But the governor plans to tell
   the task force that its job is not to debate whether to
   require safer guns but how to go about it.

   The panel's work could set off one of the bigger
   battles of the 2000 state legislative session.
   Advocates on both sides say the debate would draw
   national attention to Maryland -- and its governor --
   during a presidential election year.

   "Governor Glendening, of the 50 governors, appears
   to be the one who has taken the lead," says task
   force member Stephen P. Teret, director of the Johns
   Hopkins University's Center for Gun Policy and
   Research.

   If the governor prevails, Maryland would be the
   first state to adopt smart-gun legislation. National
   gun rights organizations and the firearms industry
   are determined to keep such legislation off the
   books. National gun control advocates believe if
   Maryland acts, other states will.

   A similar effort in New Jersey ran aground this
   year, but the political dynamic in Maryland is much
   different. New Jersey Republican Gov. Christine
   Todd Whitman offered tepid support to the concept
   in a state with a Republican-led legislature. Here, a
   powerful Democratic governor will be leading the
   charge in a General Assembly dominated by
   Democrats.

   Glendening promised such legislation during his
   1998 re-election campaign but put it off for a year,
   citing a lack of solid information. But in a speech
   last weekend to the Maryland Association of
   Counties, he vowed to make ground-breaking
   smart-gun legislation a top priority in the year
   ahead.

   In an interview this week, he reiterated his
   commitment, dismissing industry claims that the
   technology wasn't ready and couldn't be forced. He
   cited the federal government's role in pushing the
   adoption of new technologies from air bags to
   childproof safety caps on medicines.

   "Most of these companies do not develop the safe
   technologies until you tell them it must be done that
   way," Glendening said.

   Advocates can cite compelling reasons why smart
   guns that can be fired only by an authorized user are
   a worthy goal.

   There is Jordan Garris of Baltimore, dead at 3 after
   finding his father's Ruger handgun under a mattress
   in June. There's Baltimore Officer James E. Young,
   nearly killed and partially blinded after being
   wounded with his own gun in a 1992 arrest attempt.

   Teret, one of the nation's leading advocates of smart
   guns, says "the country is searching for solutions" in
   the wake of deadly school shootings in Arkansas,
   Colorado and elsewhere. "The solution that uses
   technology to change a product rather than looking at
   behavioral change is going to be very attractive," he
   said.

   The technology could be as elusive as it is
   attractive, however. Most of the nation's gun
   companies are skeptical, if not overtly hostile, to the
   entire concept.

   Beretta U.S.A. Corp. -- the branch of the Italian gun
   maker based in Accokeek in Prince George's County
   -- has attacked the notion of smart guns as expensive
   and potentially dangerous. Shortly

[CTRL] AF news 27 Aug 99

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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991596.  Faster rescues part of JEFX search

by Tech. Sgt. Mark Kinkade
Air Force Print News

HURLBURT FIELD, Fla. -- Air Force and Navy search-and-rescue experts here
are experimenting with a series of computer programs that could speed
recovery of downed pilots.

While participating in Joint Expeditionary Force Experiment '99,
representatives of the Navy's Third Fleet and the Air Force's Joint Combat
Search and Rescue Center are testing tools aimed at trimming coordination
time and narrowing search areas.

"We learned in Desert Storm that most successful rescues take place within
two hours of the initial downing report," said Tech. Sgt. Pete Ewing, a
search-and-rescue specialist with the JCSR at Shaw Air Force Base, S.C.
"After two hours, the odds start dropping dramatically."

The process of launching a search or rescue is streamlined compared to many
typical military operations, but still too slow to the people who go after
the downed pilots, said Navy Lt. Jack Schuler, a Third Fleet exercise
officer.

Using a manila folder with preprinted information blocks, a controller in a
crisis center or command post goes through a series of contacts to bring all
the forces needed to the search.  That means repeated briefings to senior
commanders, constant telephone or radio calls, cumbersome paperwork and a
long process of gathering all necessary information.

"They can do it quickly, and most people know how to react in the event of a
downed aircraft, but if we can do anything to speed that process, we're
going to save more lives," Schuler said.

At JEFX, the written checklist is computerized.  Using the same
collaborative virtual workspace that is the backbone of most experiments
here, the search and rescue people have instant contact with every element
involved in a search.

In the event of a downed aircraft, the computer flashes a message to every
person on the virtual network.  Those people then go to the electronic
version of the checklist and begin filling out the forms.

At the same time, the commander and the search and rescue units start
receiving intelligence background on the pilot, the weather, the area of the
downing, enemy activity and other information.

"The commander and the people involved have to be situationally aware at all
times," Ewing said.  "If this is successful, those people will have
real-time information, instead of waiting for someone to gather the
information and brief them."

While the software will speed the search effort, it may also reduce the
number of people deploying to forward locations, Schuler said.  Since the
collaborative workspace is based on the military Internet, commanders can
link with people worldwide.  In the past, they had to have those people with
them in the air operations center.

"Now we don't have to be there," Ewing said.  "We can link up with people
anywhere and accomplish this mission.  That means a smaller forward-based
footprint."

The idea of using the collaborative workspace in search and rescue came up
during JEFX '98.  Through that experiment and a series of smaller
evaluations, Ewing and others have been working on the program's
shortcomings.  The weakest link in the experiment so far is the ability to
maintain connection with the rescue units themselves.

"This information has to go to the guy in the cockpit, to the people doing
the search," Schuler said.  "Right now, it's still going over secure lines
to people who brief the pilots and crews before they fly.  We need to speed
that up some more."


991597.  AMC uses experiment to educate warfighters

by Tech. Sgt. Mark Kinkade
Air Force Print News

HURLBURT FIELD, Fla. -- For more than 3,000 people participating worldwide,
Joint Expeditionary Force Experiment '99 is a giant petri dish for growing a
new Air Force warfighting culture.

For the Air Mobility Command people here, it's a chance to remind the
warfighters that mobility forces will get the light, lean, lethal force of
the 21st century to where its going.

"One of our goals is to continue educating the rest of the Air Force that
the immediacy with which we do things is part of our everyday mission," said
Col. Steve Daniels, the JEFX '99 deputy director of mobility forces and
AMC's chief of exercise policy.  "We want to ensure AMC's
command-and-control system integrates with the rest of the Air Force's.  To
do that, people have to understand how we work and what we do."

Improving the Air Force's ability to command and control its forces is at
the heart of JEFX.  People here are evaluating how new technology, processes
and procedures can shorten response time and reduce the number of forces
going forward in battle.

For AMC, getting in on the ground floor of any changes is vital because the
command is constantly performing the same mission it will carry out during a
war or contingency.

"The whole future of command and control is being developed here," Daniels
said.  "AMC's daily job is command and control of its assets.

[CTRL] ESPFwd: Middle-Class Woes (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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Subject: ESPFwd: Middle-Class Woes

EVEN MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICANS HAVE SOME TROUBLE MEETING
BASIC NEEDS

 July 9, 1999  Web posted at: 7:14 AM EDT (1114 GMT)

 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Luanne Shirling didn't think of
herself as someone on the financial edge. She and her
husband had good jobs and not much debt and were
starting to fix up their house.

 But she didn't have health insurance, and she
unexpectedly became pregnant. She ended up with
complications, a Caesarean section and $20,000 in
medical bills. Before long, she had missed several
mortgage payments and even had to use food stamps for a
short while.

 She's not alone. Some 49 million Americans -- or 20
percent of the nation -- had trouble meeting basic needs
at least once in 1995. That includes paying rent,
mortgages, food and utility bills.

 The poorest, of course, were most likely to have
trouble. But many, like the Shirlings, are solidly
middle class. And 8.1 million were in families earning
more than $45,700 a year, the Census Bureau said in a
report being released Friday.

 "We were not really saving when all of a sudden -- bam!
-- this hit," said Shirling, of Warrenton, Virginia,
whose family income was about $35,000 -- putting them
near the national average. "I think a lot of people out
there think they're getting by and doing fine and don't
realize how devastating it can be."

 Nationwide, about 19.5 million of those who had trouble
meeting basic needs had household incomes in the bottom
20 percent of the nation, meaning less than $16,800 per
year. Another 12.2 million were below $30,400.

 Living on the financial edge

 But 5.2 million people had incomes above $45,700, and
another 2.9 million were above $68,700 -- in the
wealthiest fifth of the nation.

 Experts explain that many families with healthy incomes
are still living close to the financial edge, without
enough saved for an emergency. It's particularly
dangerous for families living in expensive cities or
carrying large mortgages or personal debt.

 That makes them vulnerable to unexpected financial hits
-- a layoff or large medical bill, for instance. Or
divorce can often push a family into financial crisis,
with the people who used to pay one rent or mortgage now
forced to pay two.

 The Census Bureau also asked Americans who would help
them if they had trouble. More than three in four said
they expected to get help if they needed it, mostly from
family and friends.

 But only 17 percent of those who ran into trouble
actually got help, mostly from family but also from
government.

 Not enough savings

 Part of the difference in who needs help may be family
stability, said Census demographer Kurt J. Bauman, who
wrote the report. He noted that the elderly, who often
live near the poverty line, were the age group least
likely to report trouble meeting basic needs. But the
elderly generally have fixed incomes and stable
expenses.

 The most vulnerable group was children, who are also
the poorest Americans. Nearly 30 percent of children
lived in a family that had trouble meeting basic needs.
Blacks and Hispanics were more likely to report trouble
than whites, as were female-headed families -- all
groups that are more likely to be poor, as well.

 But the report's more surprising findings dealt with
those who are not poor, but firmly in the middle class
or above.

 The problem is that many of these families do not save
enough money, said Joanne Kerstetter, president of the
Consumer Credit Counseling Service, which helps
consumers restructure their debt.

 "They haven't been taught how to handle their finances.
When any type of crisis hits, they don't have savings to
fall back on," she said.

 An estimated 55 percent to 60 percent of households
carry some credit card debt, said Stephen Brobeck,
executive director of the Consumer Federation of
America. Interest payments and fees quickly add up.

 "Even small differences can determine whether a
lifestyle is sustainable or not," he said. "Eventually
it catches up with you."

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[CTRL] GWB:``I support them all,'' [Congress'GunProposals]

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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Bush Backs Some Gun-Control Efforts
By James Pilcher
Associated Press Writer
Friday, August 27, 1999; 1:36 p.m. EDT

MARIETTA, Ga. (AP) -- Texas Gov. George W. Bush, bringing his GOP
presidential campaign to an area stung by episodes of wanton gun violence,
today endorsed efforts in Congress to raise the legal age for gun ownership
to 21 from 18.

Bush also backed proposals in Congress to outlaw certain large ammunition
clips and repeated his support for background checks on firearms sales at
gun shows.

``I support them all,'' Bush said when asked about the proposals. ``These
are all reasonable measures.''

Democrats have attacked Bush as being soft on gun control, noting he has
spoken against government-mandated gun registration, signed legislation
barring cities in Texas from suing gun makers for the costs of violence, and
deemed mandatory child safety locks on firearms impractical to enforce.

Bush today stressed his core belief in gun rights. ``I believe innocent
people, law-abiding citizens, ought to be allowed to own a gun,'' he told
reporters. ``I believe they ought to be allowed to hunt and protect
themselves.''

He said previously he would have voted for legislation defeated by the House
that would have required a 24-hour background check on weapons sales at gun
shows. Most Democrats pushed for a longer waiting period and argued a
24-hour mandate actually would have allowed some gun show sales to move
faster.

Bush was ending a three-day Southern campaign swing in the Atlanta area,
where several shootings this summer commanded national attention.

On July 29, Mark O. Barton shot and killed nine people at two day-trading
firms in Atlanta before committing suicide. Barely two weeks earlier, a
gunman killed two women and four children in their Atlanta home before
killing himself. In May, a 15-year-old boy opened fire at his high school in
suburban Conyers, wounding six classmates.

Bush started the day touring a church-run homeless shelter. He held it out
as an example of a religious organization that should be eligible for
government money.
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[CTRL] Mae Brussel interview--1978

1999-08-27 Thread Linda Minor

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from:
http://www.prouty.org/brussell/

One thing is certain about all these matters. The laws of nature are such
that certain truths are going to come out. It is only a matter of time.


There is no den in the wide world to hide a rogue. Commit a crime. You
cannot recall the spoken word, you cannot wipe out the foot track, you
cannot draw up the ladder as to leave no inlet or clue. SOME DAMNING
CIRCUMSTANCE ALWAYS TRANSPIRES. The laws and substances of nature become
penalties to the thief.



Ralph W. Emerson
"Compensation"

   My positive philosophy is very simple. I believe there is in each of us a
potential for peace and harmony. A few power-mad perverts dictate orders
that must be challenged. They are going against the laws of nature.
   A family and society that does not care for its infants with love and
affection will create and does produce mad bombers. The source of this peace
and harmony is within the family unit, not with Government agents or law
enforcement. Without love in the home there is never quiet in the community,
cities, or around the world.
   There are ways to counteract the evil being purposely planned. Study
history. Separate fears and prejudices from facts. Recognize facts from
propaganda. Invest energy in fighting for what you believe in. Analyze
harder where we are going and what you are doing about it. What do you
really believe in? How much do we care?

from The Mae Brussell Reference Site
Dedicated to preserving the work of the late political-researcher
and historian Mae Brussell.

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[CTRL] Russian thugs wash 15Billion of 20Billion IMF loans via 2 US banks

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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Laundered billions may fund election races
Updated 6:14 PM ET August 27, 1999

WASHINGTON, Aug. 26 (UPI) Billions of dollars laundered by Russian organized
crime figures through two New York banks were intended to finance Russian
President Boris Yeltsin's allies in the coming parliamentary and
presidential elections, United Press International has been told by U.S.
intelligence sources, Russian analysts and other experts.

The Washington-based newspaper USA Today reported from London Thursday that
Russian organized crime figures laundered at least $15 billion through the
Bank of New York and the Republic National Bank at the direction of
Yeltsin's government.

The paper cited senior U.S., British and Russian law enforcement officials
for its report.

The paper also reported that at least $10 billion of the $15 billion came
from the more than $20 billion the International Monetary Fund has loaned to
Russia since 1992.

Moscow-based Russian sources said the USA Today report appeared to be
accurate.

They said that Yeltsin and his supporters were widely believed to be
attempting to hinder the investigations into the scandal.

They also said that the huge sums may be intended to finance pro-Yeltsin
candidates in elections for the State Duma, the main house of the Russian
parliament, due to be held this December, and in the presidential elections
to choose a successor to Yeltsin next June.

Ariel Cohen of the conservative Heritage Foundation, a prominent U.S. expert
on Russian politics, said these claims appeared credible.

"Judging by the large amount of funds involved and the desperate need for
money that has been expressed privately by officials at the highest level of
the Yeltsin administration, this was the political 'war chest' of the
Yeltsin clan," he said. "It was the collection of funds that was being moved
out of Russia for safekeeping until it needed to be used in the
parliamentary and presidential elections."

"In the West, this money laundering scandal is being treated as a pure law
enforcement issue, but that is very misleading," Cohen said. "For Moscow,
this is primarily a political issue."

Yeltsin cannot run for a third term as president under the 1993 Russian
Constitution, which he himself designed. But he and his inner circle of
supporters are believed to be desperate to keep his former prime minister,
Yevgeny Primakov, and Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov out of power. In recent
weeks, Primakov has joined with Luzhkov and most of the regional governors
of Russia in the merged Fatherland and All Russia movements.

In the 1995 Duma elections and Yeltsin's successful 1996 election campaign,
he enjoyed the financial support of the enormous Moscow-based Gazprom oil
and gas corporation, the largest energy corporation in the world. Viktor
Chernomyrdin, Yeltsin's prime minister from 1993 to 1998, was previously the
chairman of Gazprom. And was reappointed to that position on Thursday.

But now Gazprom, under its current chairman Rem Vyakhirev, is supporting the
Primakov-Luzhkov alliance against the Yeltsin interests in the coming
elections. That means, experts said, that Yeltsin and his supporters have
been increasingly desperate to raise comparable sums to finance their
campaigns from other sources.

"Vyakhirev has committed himself to support the Primakov-Luzhkov team for
the 1999-2000 elections," said Cohen.

On Thursday, the Putin government pushed through a new board of directors to
control Gazprom at an extraordinary shareholders meeting in Moscow. The move
was seen as consolidating state control of the company.

USA Today named five prominent Russian individuals who, it said, were being
investigated by senior law enforcement bodies in both Russia and Britain in
connection with the money-laundering through the two New York banks.

Those named:

_Tatyana Dyachenko, Yeltsin's daughter and most influential political
adviser;

_Anatoly Chubais, former chief of staff and former finance minister, the
mastermind of Russia's' crash privatization program, who has extremely
strong personal links with top Clinton administration policy makers on
Russia;

_Oleg Soskovets, former deputy prime minister;

_Alexander Livshits, former finance minister;

_Vladimir Potanin, former deputy chairman of the Russian Federation and one
of the seven wealthiest and most powerful oligarch billionaires in Russia.

Janine Wedel of George Washington University, a leading U.S. expert on the
siphoning of Western aid by Russian organized crime, said Chubais had been
widely suspected in Russia for a long time of being involved in such
activities.

"Chubais has been under suspicion for years. Nevertheless, he has remained
the favorite son of individuals at the top levels of the United States
government," she said.

The Moscow Times, in an editorial Aug. 25, said that the investigation into
the money laundering appeared to have been hampered by leaks to the Western
press. The original story revealing the scandal ran la

[CTRL] Scholar's shift in thinking angers liberals (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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08/27/99- Updated 12:34 AM ET



  Scholar's shift in thinking angers
  liberals

  By Tony Mauro, USA TODAY

  Publication of the first volume of a revised edition of a
  legal treatise would not ordinarily make news.

  But even before it began arriving at law schools last
  week, Laurence Tribe's American Constitutional Law
  was causing a stir.

  Tribe, a Harvard law professor who is probably the
  most influential living American constitutional scholar,
  says he has already gotten hate mail about his new
  interpretation of the right to bear arms contained in the
  Second Amendment.

  Relegated to a footnote in the first edition of the book in
  1978, the right to bear arms earns Tribe's respect in the
  latest version.

  Tribe, well-known as a liberal scholar, concludes that
  the right to bear arms was conceived as an important
  political right that should not be dismissed as "wholly
  irrelevant." Rather, Tribe thinks the Second Amendment
  assures that "the federal government may not disarm
  individual citizens without some unusually strong
  justification."

  Tribe posits that it includes an individual right,
  "admittedly of uncertain scope," to "possess and use
  firearms in the defense of themselves and their homes."

  None of Tribe's new thinking changes his view that
  gun-control measures are "plainly constitutional," but his
  shift has been enough to anger gun-control advocates.

  "I've gotten an avalanche of angry mail from apparent
  liberals who said, 'How could you?'" Tribe says. "But
  as someone who takes the Constitution seriously, I
  thought I had a responsibility to see what the Second
  Amendment says, and how it fits."

  Tribe's views on the Constitution are of more than
  passing importance.

  Earlier editions of Tribe's treatise have been quoted
  more than 50 times in Supreme Court opinions - by
  liberal and conservative justices - and by the top courts
  of India, Germany, Russia and Canada, among others.

  The new edition also deals with the law on impeachment
  developed from President Clinton's trial, as well as the
  Supreme Court trend cutting back on congressional
  power.

  "He has an audience well beyond law students," says
  Drake University law professor Tom Baker, who
  assigns Tribe's book to students. "For Larry Tribe to say
  that there's more to the Second Amendment than
  originally thought is very important, and reflects an
  open-mindedness that some don't expect."

  Glenn Harlan Reynolds of the University of Tennessee
  adds: "He legitimizes this whole new body of
  scholarship, and it will force judges and others to face
  the issue on its merits."

  At the usually conservative law school at Pepperdine
  University, professor Douglas Kmiec recommends the
  book to "the very best students." On the Second
  Amendment, Kmiec says, Tribe's book offers "a fair and
  evenhanded appraisal of what is still an inconclusive
  right."




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[CTRL] FCC licks FBI boots

1999-08-27 Thread K

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Reuters · UPI


FCC wiretap rules delight FBI, disappoint critics
Updated 4:25 PM ET August 27, 1999
By David Lawsky
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Federal Communications
Commission Friday gave the FBI new authority to tap digital and
wireless phones, delighting the Justice Department and bitterly
disappointing privacy advocates and local phone companies.
FCC Chairman William Kennard declared his agency's actions "will
help ensure that law enforcement has the most up-to-date
technology to fight crime."
Traditional wiretap techniques do not work with digital technology,
which would be impenetrable without assistance from the phone
companies. The question has been how far phone companies
should go in assisting law enforcment.
The new rules force phone companies to turn over information so
that law enforcement authorities can determine the rough location
of cell phone callers and gather other kinds of detailed information.
Attorney General Janet Reno said the new rules carry out a 1994
law preserving law enforcement's ability to wiretap in the digital
age, but privacy advocates said the decision expands government
surveillance into new areas.
Local phone companies said the new rules go beyond the
requirements of the law and would be expensive and technically
difficult to implement.
The new law permits law enforcement to use the power of digital
technology to locate cell phone callers and gather new kinds of
technical information from phone calls -- when a judge permits it.
FBI Director Louis Freeh called the decision "an extremely
important and positive public safety ruling," adding that it "goes a
long way to balance public safety, privacy and the needs of
telecommunications carriers to remain competitive."
But the Center for Democracy and Technology, a high-tech civil
liberties group, said the decision was lopsided in favor of the FBI
and law enforcement, far from what the group had expected when
the 1994 law was passed.
"We thought that we had achieved a balanced statute when it
passed," said Jim Dempsey, senior staff counsel for the center.
"We took at face value the assurances of the FBI that this statute
would be used only to preserve and not enhance surveillance
power."
Dempsey said that did not happen. "The FBI violated the spirit of
that deal," he said.
A spokesman for the U.S. Telephone Association, representing
1,200 local phone companies including the Bell companies, agreed
the new rules were far too expansive.
"They go beyond what the law calls for," said David Bolger. He said
phone companies would seek an extension of a Sept. 30, 2001,
deadline to carry out the rules, because they imposed burdensome
costs and were technically difficult to meet.
The FCC decision gives police agencies with court permission the
right to obtain the locations of the cells, or local antennas, that
people use to make wireless phone calls.
Critics say that is the first step toward identifying the location of
cell phones, something they predict the government will seek when
that technology becomes cheap and available.
But an FCC official said in an interview that it was desirable to
know location.
"If a child were kidnapped, wouldn't you want (law enforcement) to
know the location where a (ransom) call was made?" said the
official.
The official added that police agencies have always known the
location of telephones, and said: "What we have done is provide
them the same capability in the wireless world," where people are
able to move around while making calls.
Under the order, police agencies may listen to all parties in a
conference call initiated by a court-ordered target of surveillance,
even when the person targeted is no longer part of the conversation.
But in the past, such orders had never permitted agencies to
gather information during the call itself.
The new FCC order changes things so that any numbers punched
into a phone during a conversation are recorded. A person entering
credit card or other private codes would also have that information
recorded.
Government agencies that cannot get permission to wiretap, or do
not seek it, sometimes convince a judge to let them record
telephone numbers sent and received on an instrument.
The new FCC order expands that ability, so any numbers punched
into a phone during a conversation are recorded. A person entering
credit card or other private codes would have the information
recorded.
The FCC said law enforcement would ignore such information. But
Dempsey said: "The FBI has convinced the commission to give it
more information than it ever had before."
The FCC issued a press release summarizing the new rules, but
the rules themselves will not be be released until next week, an
FCC spokeswoman said.


I feel your pain.  You better put some ice on that.

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[CTRL] New radar data revives missile theory in TWA Flight 800 crash: groups

1999-08-27 Thread Richard Sampson

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New radar data revives missile theory in TWA Flight 800 crash: groups

WASHINGTON, Aug 27 (AFP) - Two groups that claim a missile brought down
TWA Flight 800 in July 1996 said Friday that just-released radar data
showing an unidentified ship near the blast back their theory.

Officials have stated that mechanical failure, not a terrorist attack,
brought down the Paris-bound Boeing 747 off New York's Long Island,
killing all 230 people aboard.

The data, obtained in June from the National Transportation Safety Board
(NTSB), show many ships in the area, including one five kilometers (2.9
nautical miles) from where the plane went down.

"There were 30 surface vessels in the area. Only one, the closest, has
not been identified," Tom Stalcup, the director of the Flight 800
Independent Research Organization (FIRO), told a press conference.

"After the explosion that everyone could see 20 miles (30 kilometers)
around, the ship, about 2.9 nautical miles away, did not turn around,"
he said, showing an animated re-creation of ship and airplane travel
when the Boeing crashed.

Some 130 witnesses said they saw a glowing arc climb into the sky --
like a rocket or a missile -- seconds before the aircraft exploded, he
added.

NTSB investigators explained that phenomenon by saying that part of the
Boeing's fuselage had broken off and briefly climbed before slowing down
and falling.

But Stalcup said the radar data contradict the NTSB because they show
acceleration, which corresponds with a rapid fall towards the ocean,
adding "the plane did not climb after the explosion."

The aircraft went down near a military warning area, in which military
exercises such as missile and artillery fire are undertaken.

The radar data also show an unidentified airplane flying back and forth
over the warning area.

Commander William Donaldson, a former US Navy fighter pilot and crash
investigator who heads the Associated Retired Aviation Professionals
(ARAP), said he believed the US government was covering up the true
cause of the accident.

"The plane was shot down by a short-range shoulder-fired kind of Stinger
missile, from the surface," he said. "We've tried to get these radar
data for two years. It's a cover-up."

ARAP and FIRO called on the US Congress to open an inquiry into the
crash.

According to the NTSB, which has yet to render its final report,
kerosene fumes in the airplane's central fuel tank ignited, causing an
explosion.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation pulled out of the investigation in
November 1997, ending a probe into whether Flight 800 was brought down
by a terrorist.

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Re: [CTRL] Judge says he won't allow unrestricted access to Davidian evidence

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

Anyone have an idea on what j proposes?

Think maybe we should wait a few days and see
if the denial stands up.

Bard


does this look like a double standard to you? Maybe pressure on our elected
representatives would help open this bag of worms?





[CTRL] "It appears that President Clinton had signed a waiver of the Posse Comitatus Act, " [*hot*]

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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http://www.counterpunch.org/waco2.html

CounterPunch

edited by alexander cockburn and jeffrey st. clair


June 1, 1999
Waco Update:
The Delta Force Was There
Amid Nato military supremo Wesley Clark's onslaught on the civilians of
Serbia the question arose: did Clark hone his civilian-killing skills at
Waco, where the FBI oversaw the largest single spasm of slaughter of
civilians by law enforcement in US history, when nearly a hundred Branch
Davidians died amid an assault by tanks, flame-throwers and snipers.

The tanks were from Fort Hood, where Wesley Clark was, in early 1993,
commander of the Cavalry Division of the US Army's III Corps. In our last
issue we cited a congressional report commissioned in the aftermath of Waco
which described how Texas governor Anne Richards had consulted with Clark's
number two at Fort Hood. Then, on April 14, there was a summit at the
Justice Department in Washington, where Attorney General Janet Reno, top
Justice Department and FBI officials and two unnamed senior Army officers
reviewed the final assault plan scheduled for April 19.

The two Army officers at the Justice Department that day were Colonel Gerald
Boykin, and his superior, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the head of Special
Forces at Fort Bragg. Though Clark (who had served with Schoomaker) was not
directly involved in the onslaught on the Branch Davidians, the role of the
US Army in that affair throws into harsh relief the way prohibitions against
the use of the US military for civilian law enforcement can be swiftly
by-passed.

Boykin and Schoomacher were present because the Army's Fort Bragg-based
Combat Applications Group-popularly known as the Delta Force-had been
enlisted as part of the assault team on the Branch Davidian Compound. It
appears that President Clinton had signed a waiver of the Posse Comitatus
Act, with the precedent being Ronald Reagan's revocation of the Act in 1987,
allowing the Delta Force to be involved in suppressing the Atlanta prison
riot.

The role of the Delta Force, the identity of the two Army officers, the
revocation of Posse Comitatus all form part of the disclosures of a
forthcoming documentary film, Waco: A New Revelation, put together by part
of the team that produced an earlier, excellent film, Waco: Rules of
Engagement. Following our questions about Wesley Clark's possible
involvement at Waco, producer/researcher Mike McNulty called us with some
details of his new documentary-directed by Jason van Fleet and due to be
released in July.

After energetic use of Freedom of Information Act enquiries, plus research
in three repositories in Texas holding evidence from the Waco inferno, plus
other extensive investigations, McNulty and his team have put together an
explosive file:

· 28 video tapes from the repositories show that in the final onslaught on
the Waco compound were members of the US military in special assault gear
and with name tags obscured. As noted above, Clinton's revocation of the
Posse Comitatus Act made this presence legal. McNulty isolates Vince Foster
as the White House point man for the Waco operation.

McNulty cites Foster's widow as saying that the depression that prompted the
White House lawyer's death was fueled by horror at the carnage at Waco for
which the White House had given the ultimate green light. Foster was writing
a Waco report when he died. McNulty says that some documents about Foster
and Waco were among those removed from his office after his death, later to
surface in a White house store room sheltering archives of the First Lady.

The film, McNulty says, discloses how the federal assault team placed
explosives on top of a compound bunker whither the feds believed the Branch
Davidian leaders might flee. Material evidence collected by McNulty shows
that the FBI/Delta assault force bombarded the compound with pyrophoric -
i.e. fire-causing - projectiles.

Erosion of Posse Comitatus Act prohibitions on the involvement of the US
military in law enforcement here is particularly sinister. The congressional
report on Waco showed that some Army officers were extremely disturbed at
requests for military assistance by the FBI, and there were some acrimonious
exchanges at the time. The drug war, needless to say, has been a prime
solvent in this process of erosion. One factor is the malign
cross-fertilization occurring when these so-called "elite units" - the
Army's Combat Application Group, the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team, the Navy's
SEALs - all train together, along with SWAT teams from police forces across
the country. Thousands of law enforcement officers have now cut their teeth
on the homicidal commando techniques most flagrantly displayed by the
killers assembled in the British SAS, members of which were also present at
the Waco siege. The Rambo mindset now saturates law enforcement, and even
the rangers in Fish and Game Departments now pack heat. Both CounterPunch
editors have had the experience of being asked to down their fly rod

[CTRL] Let's hear it foi Rudy Guiliani

1999-08-27 Thread Sno0wl

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Many people seem to think of New York as a scary town. As a native-born
Manhattanite, I've never really found it that scarey, considering how many millions of
people live there. However, a recent event really made my hair stand on end.

I don't have the exact details, but it seems that in the early hours of one morning a
week or two ago, a group of six armed police broke into the apartment of a man on
NY's Upper East Side, woke him at gunpoint, dragged him out of his building in
handcuffs and shackles and hauled him off to jail.

His crime? His little dog--looked something like a cute little Shitzuh (a little tiny 
dog)--
didn't have a license.

This man had been ticketed and had failed to appear at a court hearing for having an
unlicensed dog. Can you imagine?

The story made the front pages of the Daily News.

That, and the fact that you can now get a $200 ticket for getting caught in a traffic
intersection (causing gridlock) have made NYC a very scarey town. Let's hear it for
Rudy Guiliani.
sno0wl

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[CTRL] China's WTO Membership

1999-08-27 Thread Bob Stokes

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We oppose Chinese accession to the World Trade Organization.  We oppose the
annual grant of "Most Favored Nation" (MFN) trade status to that corrupt and
arrogant regime.  We oppose a grant of permanent MFN to China, which the
U.S. government will be obliged to give if China is accepted into the WTO
(otherwise, we will be liable in the WTO for an unfair trade practice).
Therefore, we urge you to lobby your congressional delegation, while they
are still home on recess, to oppose Permanent MFN for China.  Further, your
Member should demand the public release of the report described below.
Meanwhile, our friends on the Hill are searching for a copy of this
apparently damning summary of the damage to the US economy if we give the
transnational corporate "free trade" lobby what they want on this important
issue.

*
White House to Keep Report on China's WTO Membership Out of the Public Eye
By Heidi Przybyla/Bloomberg

U.S. Administration to Keep China-WTO Report Secret (Update1)
(Adds comments from Dana Rohrabacher, paragraphs 10, 11.)

Washington, Aug. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The Clinton
administration will keep confidential a long-awaited report
exploring what impact China's membership in the World Trade
Organization would have on the U.S. economy.

That decision, coupled with the administration's moves to
delay the report, underscores White House concern about airing
any potential criticism of its push to get China into the
Geneva-based trade body, policy experts say.

The report may stoke criticism, since it will conclude
that at least one U.S. industry -- textiles -- would ``clearly
be hurt'' by China's WTO entry, according to an internal
document from the author, the independent International Trade
Commission, that was obtained by Bloomberg News.
``The administration is always very cautious that any
kind of skeptical or realistic policy analysis could stir up
opposition in Congress and undermine negotiations with the
Chinese,'' said Greg Mastel of the Center for National Policy,
a Washington think tank.

The administration has made WTO membership a cornerstone
of its ``constructive-engagement'' policy with China, saying
it would force the government to lower tariffs and investment
barriers and be a boon to U.S. companies. Yet relations
between the countries have been strained by NATO's bombing of
the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and allegations of Chinese
stealing nuclear secrets. As a result, the WTO talks have
collapsed, and the administration is eager to resume them.

Why Secret?

The U.S. Trade Representative's office wouldn't comment
on the details of the ITC report. ``It is confidential because
negotiations are ongoing,'' said Amy Stilwell, a USTR
spokeswoman.

That position has irritated critics. ``What is the point
of keeping it secret?'' said Alan Tonelson, a research fellow
at the U.S. Business and Industry Council, which represents
small businesses, many of which would be vulnerable to
competition from inexpensive Chinese imports.

Tonelson said the report -- which will be available to
Congress but not the press -- should be released because
China's WTO entry is ``a major public policy debate.''

The report by the ITC, an autonomous U.S. agency that
measures the impact of trade on domestic industry, is due to
be submitted to the administration next week. The study will
probably favor China's joining the WTO, yet those who oppose
the move -- ranging from textile makers to steelworkers to
human rights activists -- still say it should be made public.
`Amazing Contortions'

Representative Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican
and longtime critic of the administration's China policies,
blasted the administration for withholding the report.
President Bill Clinton ``jumps through hoops, does acrobatics
and amazing body contortions in order to prove to the American
people that the Chinese communist regime is friendly to the
U.S.,'' he said. ``Obviously, he doesn't even want Americans
to know what price they'll pay for China's (WTO) entry.''

While it's not unusual for such reports to be restricted
to congressional viewing, the internal ITC document, dated
Jan. 27, said the USTR delayed its request for the report for
almost two years, most likely out of concern it would affect
the WTO talks.
``In each instance, a request (from the USTR) seemed
likely, but died for reasons that are not entirely clear, but
probably were due to the reluctance to request a study that
might damage negotiations,'' the document said.
`Commercially Viable'

While U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky and
other administration officials say a ``commercially viable''
WTO agreement with China would bolster U.S. industry, the
report could undermine that position.

The report is independent, so it probably gives a ``more
realistic'' assessment of China's WTO membership than recent
private industry-funded studies, said Mastel. Some
congressional staff members said they expe

Re: [CTRL] CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bi7

1999-08-27 Thread Sno0wl

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On 8 Aug 99, , Kris wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> from alt.conspiracy
> -
> As always, Caveat Lector.
> Om
> K
> -
> CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder
> of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette
> -
> Subject: CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GroomWatch)
> Date: Fri, 06 August 1999 02:49 AM EDT
> Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> "CAMELOT KILLINGS"   The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette
>
> by Anthony J. Hilder
>
>  The Kennedy killing reeks with the stench of murder.  The smell of
> disinformation and misinformation laced with outright lies concerning the JFK
> crash rises from the "managed media" as if from a cauldron of crap.  Thousands
> of hours of hyperbole, stock footage of young Kennedy as a boy in Camelot,
> quotes of his murdered father, of Jackie Onassis, footage from the Kennedy
> compound, puff stories showing Junior's human side, and hours of the faithful
> dropping off flowers outside of his New York apartment inundated the airwaves
> -
> but not so much as a moment of time was devoted to airing "the truth" as to
> how
> the Prince of Camelot came to meet the Grim Reaper.

If JFK, Jr. was the victim of foul play--as many postings here seem to strongly 
support--
it is interesting to speculate on what kind of pressure could be brought to bear on the
remaining Kennedys and the Bissettes so that they would make not so much as a
peep about it.

The lack of noise from the larger public seems to imply a sort of exhaustion--which is
what the whole Clinton/:Lewinsky scandal and impeachment accomplished. That
exhaustion would seem to extend to interest in Bush's cocaine use (which certainly is,
at the very least, a case of double standards since Clinton's youthful indiscretions 
have
been done to death.).

Whatever has happened or whatever is going on, it does seem that anyone with major
public clout who has won public sympathy through a show of  genuine "humanity" and
"compassion"  has been very publiclly snuffed.



sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread flw

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- Original Message -
From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
> > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and
> > > fucking little girls.  Nice religion.
> >
> > Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn
> > them alive to prevent them from being abused".
>
> Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
> amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
> amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
> campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
> actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.

What silly pro government hate nonsense.

I watched the murder of the Waco Children on live TV.

I watched in shocked horror as the Feds smashed down the
building on top of the kids. It was clear that they were trying to
kill these people even before the fire started. But I guess
watching tanks intentionally knock down a building on top of kids
must be some kind of Chinese Mind Meld over my TV screen.

The Feds knew that the flimsy plywood building was filled with burning
kerosene lamps when they started their demolition derby. They didn't
need pyrotechnics to start the fire, just knock the place down and the
fire was preordained to start. But of course they had to smash and burn
the kids to protect them from "abuse". And shoot gas (CS) that was banned
by
the Geneva Convention (and that was well known to be fatal to children).

Interesting to see if the sequel to the Waco Documentary will include (as
is now
being mentioned) infra red tape of the Feds shooting the Davidians with
automatic
assault rifles as they fled from the rear of the burning building.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Pole-Oo-Shun]

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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I must admit the searches have come a long way since I did
this search...its been over a year now...thabnks for the
info...when I was doing it I was communicating with others
about it and there was a marked exasperation among a lot of
people which I guess has turned into a supply line.  This is
good.  Thanks Again.

Robert Tatman wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Shoot...I went online looking for a soil test kit
> > whereby one might determine the ph and nutrient levels in a
> > sample of soil...I could not find one except a home depots
> > website, but what I did find were literally HUNDREDS of soil
> > test kits for eco-companies to test for PETROLEUM residues
> > in the soil...its everywhere...we live in invisible
> > filth...all of us...can't clean it up its on everything we
> > touch we eat we breath we drinkits gross.  And this is
> > not counting the radioactive stuff
> > BG
> >
> FWIW, Bill, here are a few of the pages I turned up with an Internet search
> for soil test kits (but you are absolutely right about the crap that surrounds
> us...):
>
> http://www.acorn-group.com/p8279.htm
> COMPLETE SOIL TEST KIT. Includes all materials needed for rapid, accurate
> testing of soils, including laminated color charts used to measure
> concentrations of nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium (15 tests each) and soil pH
> (30 tests). Garden guide manual and the LaMotte Soil Handbook also included to
> help you interpret results and correct any deficiencies. If accuracy, speed,
> and ease of use are important considerations, this kit fits all three
> criteria. #TEST-6390. $37.95.
> Refill Kit (all materials needed to repeat above listed tests) #TEST-6391.
> $31.95.
>
> http://growit.com/BWI/Prd1231.htm
> NO WAIT™ SOIL pH TEST KIT
>
> Contains 2 pH tests. Basic test kit for pH determines alkaline, neutral or
> acidic nature of soil. Indicates need for lime or alum to balance soil pH
> level. Includes easy-to-use, one-step tablet reagents. Unique Floc-Ex tablets
> allow test to begin immediately. Tables included to interpret results, with
> ideal pH ranges for over 100 plants. Diagrammed instructions included.
> SD7405Pk/24
>
> http://www.crl.com/~mdscienc/md01035.htm
> CAT # MD5679PRICE US $ 30.95
>
> CAT # MD5679R (reagent refill)PRICE US $26.25
>
> This Garden Guide Kit is a simple, economical test kit for soil science
> education or garden analysis. Rapid test procedures, diagrammed instructions,
> and laminated color charts are used to measure concentrations of Nitrogen,
> Phosphorus, Potassium (15 test each), and soil pH (30 tests). The Garden Guide
> manual and LaMotte Soil Handbook are included to interpret test results and
> give lime and fertilizer recommendations.
>
> OTHER SOIL TEST KITS AND EQUIPMENT
>
> SOIL MACRONUTRIENTS: Includes Octet Comparator test for soil pH, color chart
> tests for nitrate and phosphorus, turbidity column test for potassium, soil
> texture unit (1067), sample bags and soil sampling tube. CAT # MD5928 PRICE US
> $239.00 CAT # MDR5928 (reagent refill) PRICE US $74.00
> SOIL MICRONUTRIENTS: Includes extraction and filtration materials and color
> chart tests for: Ammonia, Nitrite, Calcium, Chlorides, Magnesium, Manganese,
> Iron, Aluminum and Sulfate. CAT # MD5938 PRICE US-$257.00-CAT # MDR5938
>
> (reagent refill) PRICE US $107.00
> PLANT MACRONUTRIENT KIT: Includes colorimetric tests for nitrogen, phosphorus,
> and potassium which are performed on liquid extract prepared from plant
> tissue. CAT # MD5026 PRICE US $49.95CAT #MDR5026 (reagent refill) PRICE US
> $39.45
> PLANT MICRONUTRIENT KIT: Included in this kit are tests for Boron,Copper,
> Ferrous and Ferric iron, Manganese, and Zinc. These tests are performed using
> color spot tests on filter paper onto which sap has been expressed from
> freshly cut plant tissue. CAT # MD5261 PRICE US $53.95CAT # MDR5261
> (reagent refill) PRICE US $45.00.
> HYDROPONICS LAB: There are nine key tests for hydroponic solutions. Octet
> Comparator tests for pH, nitrate, ammonia, phosphorus, sulfate; Direct Reading
> Titrator tests for calcium, magnesium; Spot test for iron, and Turbidity test
> for potassium. CAT # MD5406 PRICE US $299.00CAT # MDR5406 (reagent refill)
> PRICE US $97.30
> HYDROPONICS KIT: This kit contains pH, nitrate, phosphorus, and potassium
> tests found in the Hydroponics Lab (5406) above. CAT # MD3561 PRICE US
> $173.25CAT # MDR3561 (reagent refill) PRICE US $54.15.
>
> =
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Re: [CTRL] CT Research?

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

 -Caveat Lector-

Is it is case of twisted knickers or is it wadded panties?

Kris Millegan wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> So what's got you all up in a bunch?
>
> Myself am busy, what's up?
>
> Om
> K
>
> In a message dated 8/27/99 12:43:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >If someone tries to punch holes in your pet-theory: Ignore
> >inconvenient questions and hope they'll go away.
> >
> 
>
> > end quote
> >
> >Are you scared of criticizing Fritz and running the risk of being
> >branded a "satanist" too? Does he hurt you when you criticize him?
> >Are you really living in a "Land of the free, home of the brave"?
> >
> >Be honest and remove the 'Research' from the name of the list.
> >
> >Goodnight kids, dream on...
> >
> >Natalie
> >
>
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[CTRL] 10 FOODS FOR LONGEVITY

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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10 FOODS FOR LONGEVITY

  1.) Tomatoes.  A major source of the antioxidant lycopene that reduces the
risk of cancer by 40% -- notably prostate, lung and stomach cancers -- and
increases cancer survival.  Tomato eaters function better mentally in old
age and suffer half as much heart disease.  Concentrated tomato sauces have 5
times more lycopene han fresh tomatoes, and canned tomatoes have three times
more than fresh.

  2.) Olive Oil.  Shown to help reduce death from heart disease and cancer.
Recent research shows that heart-attack survivors on a Mediterranean diet had
half the death rates of those on an ordinary low-fat diet.  Olive oil is also
high in antioxidant activity.

  3.) Red Grapes, including red grape juice and red wine.  Red grapes have
moderate antioxidant power, while purple grape juice has four times more
antioxidant activity than orange or tomato juice.  Red wine (not white) has
about the same antioxidant capacity as purple grape juice or tea.  French
research show that drinking red wine in moderation increases longevity, but
excessive drinking has the opposite effect, so limit to two glasses per day.
Drink grape juice.

  4.) Garlic.  German researchers have found that garlic is packed with
antioxidants know to help fend off cancer, heart disease and all-over aging,
and prolong cancer survival time.  Let crushed garlic "rest" about 10 minutes
before cooking to preserve disease-fighting agents.

  5.) Spinach.  Second among vegetables only to garlic in antioxidant
capacity and is also rich in folic acid, which helps fight cancer, heart
disease and mental disorders.  New University of Kentucky research shows
folic acid may help prevent Alzheimer's disease.  Eat both raw and steamed
for best benefit.

  6.) Whole grains.  A University of Minnesota study suggests the more whole
grains you eat, the lower your odds of death by 15%.  Whole grains contain
anticancer agents and help stabilize blood sugar and insulin, which may
promote longevity.  Whole-grain "dark" breads, cereals such as All Bran, and
"old fashioned" oatmeal are an excellent source.

  7.) Salmon, and other fatty fish.  Contains high amounts of omega-3 fat
that performs miracles throughout the body, fighting virtually every chronic
disease known.  Without it, your brain can't think, your heart can't beat,
your arteries clog, and joints become inflamed.  You need one ounce a day, or
two servings of salmon, sardines, mackerel, herring or tuna per week.

  8.) Nuts.  Eating more than 5 ounces a week can cut heart-attack deaths in
women by 40% and help prevent deadly irregular heart beats in men a Harvard
University study found.  Almonds and walnuts lower blood cholesterol.  Most
of the fat in nuts is the good-type monounsaturated and/or omega-3.  Unsalted
nuts are best.

  9.) Blueberries.  High in antioxidants, Tufts University researchers say a
half-cup of blueberries a day can retard aging and can block brain changes
leading to decline and even reverse failing memory.

  10.) Tea.  Green or black tea has equal antioxidant benefit.  One cup a day
can cut heart disease risk in half Harvard researchers found.  Make from
loose tea or tea bags, instant and bottled tea has little effect Tufts
University shows.

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[CTRL] BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO 8/27

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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August 27, 1999


BARR GRILLS CLINTON ON
MILITARY INVOLVEMENT AT WACO
WASHINGTON, DC -- U.S. Representative Bob Barr (GA-7) today posed a series
of questions to President Clinton regarding military involvement during a
1993 attack in Waco, Texas that left over 80 Americans dead.  The text of
Barr's letter follows:

"I am disturbed to learn your Department of Justice has apparently spent the
past six  years lying to Congress and the American people about whether
incendiary devices were used in the Waco attack.  However, this issue pales
in comparison to emerging evidence indicating the Administration may also
have lied about the involvement of military special operations forces in the
assault on April 19, 1993.

"The Texas Department of Public Safety, and a former C.I.A. official have
indicated military forces were deployed as forward elements of the assault.
Additionally, there is further evidence, such as videotapes and Defense
Department documents, that corroborate this evidence.

"As you know, using military forces for domestic law enforcement is
expressly  illegal under U.S. posse comitatus law.  For this reason, I urge
you to reveal all the facts regarding military involvement at Waco
immediately, so those responsible for any legal violations can be swiftly
disciplined and prosecuted.  To that end, I ask that you provide answers to
the following questions immediately:

   1) Were any active duty or reserve armed forces personnel present at,
or in any other manner connected with, the planning, execution or review of
the Waco assault?

   2) If such personnel were so utilized, how many soldiers were used,
what units were they drawn from, and what was their precise role in the
assault?

   3) If military personnel were so utilized, did they discharge any
weapons or explosive devices, or assist law enforcement personnel in doing
so?

   4) In addition to personnel, what equipment and ordnance did the
military utilize or make available during the siege and assault?

   5) If military personnel were so utilized, who issued the orders
allowing their involvement and did those orders provide for explicit rules
of engagement?

   6) As a matter of policy, who in your administration had the
authority on April 19, 1993 to order military involvement in domestic law
enforcement?

   7) Given reports that military operations against the Branch
Davidians were predicated at least in part on allegations of U.S. drug law
violations, which might provide the only legal basis on which military
equipment -- not personnel -- could be used in Waco, why was there no hard
evidence before, during, or after the assault of drugs, drug paraphernalia,
and any other violations of U.S. drug law?

"One of the bedrock principles of our republic is a firm and inviolable
separation between the military, and domestic politics and law enforcement.
>From the beginnings of civilization, history is littered with the wreckage
of nations who failed to maintain this distinction.  In the wake of these
revelations, you have a responsibility to take every step in your power to
ensure Congress and a concerned public the firewall between the military and
domestic law enforcement is intact.  If it is not intact, it is imperative
we take steps to rebuild it."

Barr, a former federal prosecutor, serves on the House Judiciary and
Government Reform Committees, and served on the 1995 panel that investigated
the Waco incident.

--30--
http://www.house.gov/barr/p_082799.html
Bard

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[CTRL] [BRIGADE] Bush Pushes Free Trade

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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Dear Brigade,

"Opponents say the deal has drained jobs from the United States by
encouraging companies to relocate to Mexico, hire low-paid workers and
ship the manufactured products back ...  Republican candidate Pat
Buchanan calls for a stop to NAFTA when he campaigns in South Carolina,
warning against the "deindustrialization of America.'' Most other candidates
in
both parties either support  the deal or have not made it an issue."

GO PAT  GO
Linda



Date sent:  Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:19:27 -0700
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Bush Pushes Free Trade in Region --
Worried About Jobs Heading South

San Antonio Express-News, AP Texas By Katie Fairbank
08/25/1999

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - Texas Gov. George W. Bush pitched open trade
Wednesday to a part of the country where many feel stung by it, declaring,
"We'll be prosperous if this nation does not retreat within its borders.''

Bush opened a three-day Southern swing with a series of events in South
Carolina, where his rivals for the Republican presidential nomination are
working hard for an early February primary. Next come campaign stops and
fund-raisers in North Carolina and Georgia.

Bush has been a strong advocate of the North American Free Trade
Agreement pioneered by his father when he was president and put into effect
in 1993 by President Clinton.

Texas exports to Mexico have jumped by more than 16 percent in two years
on the strength of NAFTA. But the results have been uneven by industry and
region, with critics citing a particular toll on textile mills and other
industries of
the Carolinas.

``The fearful build walls,'' Bush told the Charleston Rotary Club in a wide-
ranging stump speech that included his usual defense of liberalized trade.

He acknowledged harm done to the textile industry and said, without being
specific, that he supports ``anti-dumping'' laws to prevent some economic
sectors from being obliterated. But in the main, he said, the United States
must compete in the world.

``I say that free trade is healthy for our economy,'' he told reporters. ``We
want Mexico to succeed, not fail. After all, they are our friends.''

Later, Bush dropped the free trade segment when he spoke to a packed
crowd at a local country club.

In North Carolina, announcements of major plant closures have been made
three times just this year, eliminating jobs.

Supporters say NAFTA has been a success, citing increased exports and
improved relations with neighbors. Opponents say the deal has drained jobs
from the United States by encouraging companies to relocate to Mexico, hire
low-paid workers and ship the manufactured products back.

Republican candidate Pat Buchanan calls for a stop to NAFTA when he
campaigns in South Carolina, warning against the ``deindustrialization of
America.'' Most other candidates in both parties either support
   the deal or have not made it an issue.

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Re: [CTRL] British Intelligence and the internet

1999-08-27 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Hi all

Try to talk in a broad Aussie or Kiwi accent I don't think the word recognition
can get those 2 accents. IBM did that technology to get speech typed out..and the
companys in UK that do transactions over the phone can't grasp those 2 accents no
matter how hard they try to disguise it. They can get American and all the other
British dialects but not us!!! They usually start taping when certain words are
mentioned. Try saying ufo, you can hear whirring. I've done it and heard it. I
usually find that muttering with my teeth closed in pidgin english and saying half
the word with the radio on loud does the trick. Ideally  the recipient has heard
the word before.

The other thing I'd like to say about the internet. If you don't hear from me
again you'll know why. Last year about May I had a Telecom ISP called Xtra. It was
getting expensive so I changed to another one. I couldn't get the customised
Netscape Browser off that they gave us on CD. I did everything and then put the
normal one on you get from the ftp. It downloaded as normal and then all the Xtra
words appeared all over it even though I supposedly got a new one from Microsoft.
I put Explorer on Meridian, but it still kept popping up and dominating the
Explorer browser. After sitting for 2 days trying to do everything possible to get
rid of it, I rang the Xtra help line about 10 pm.

I very nicely said , excuse me could you help me get rid of your browser as I've
got another ISP? An Englishman answered and blew his top and got really annoyed
that I had changed and that I wouldn't get as good a service etc. Anyway I
couldn't hear him as my 8 yr old kid was yelling in the background and I kept
saying S every 2 mins etc.  I said that it wouldn't come off and I want
Netscape to go on my new ISP connection. Maybe he had a bad day but he said - Are
you a solo mother? I said yes. Then he said angrily - I'm not supposed to say this
but you can't get it off OK?  YOU CAN'T GET IT OFF ok ? YOU HAVE TO USE EXPLORER
from now on! OK then he slammed the phone down. As I am telepathic I picked up
he was panicking not long afterwards. They do have a list of your email as I asked
which ones were waiting before I cancelled the service and they read them out.

Being rather curious I rang Xtra the next day and spoke to a New Zealand engineer
at the help line and I said - Is that right that I can't get my Xtra Netscape
browser off? He said - yes that's right its burned into your computer. Once you
put it on you can't get it off. You could try but there's no guarantee your
computer would ever work again. So I said - Is this so they can look into your
computer while you are on the net.  He said - Something like that, rather quietly.
Then I asked him who owned Xtra and he said it was American and not connected with
Telecom. I put Teletec, the owner , through the search and there was 84 pages but
being a persistant type, I found what I was looking for -Teletec does CIA military
internet.

I rang my present ISP engineer and asked if other people had complained if they
couldn't get their Xtra  Netscape browser off when they went to their service. He
said Yes. So I said - Do they use it for looking into your computer? He said Yes.
I asked if their version of Netscape could be removed easily and was told yes. So
I said  -Was it just the Xtra version that is burned in ? and he said yes. Anyway
I got a computer friend of mine to do his best and managed to get the new Netscape
on without Xtra titles. But when I had a computer crash at the end of the year and
did a partial recovery my Netscape got munted and guess what came through Xtra's
dates  in the prog files. As I only got the new Netscape in May. They must have
made it so the top of it comes off and the original remains burned in.

May I recommend using Neoplanet kids version browser to send email?
Nicky






Dave wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Easy as pie, for them with unlimited power.
>
> Ever read Neuromancer or any of the CyberPunk sci-fi stuff?
>
> Some of it's PRE-internet   et voila- here is the 'net they were writing
> about...  the capability  of spoofing IP addresses & stuff is even within
> the reach of some hackers- let ALONE government covert-types with "powerful"
> access You DO know that the U.S. Department of Defense BUILT the
> original Internet.  ?
> No big news that project Echelon decodes EVERY bit of internet traffic and
> passes it through pattern/word recognition software every  bit.
> Telephone too, as far as I know...  even fax, 'tis said.
>
> Dave Hartley
> http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
> http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 10:57 PM
> To: Dave
> Subject: [Fwd: [CTRL] British Intelligence and the internet]
>
> THIS
>
> Andrew Hennessey wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > >Speaking from Paris, Mr Shayler said: "I have a computer on my desk and
> w

[CTRL] Drugs, Human misery

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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My sister's coworker has a sister in Texas who with her husband was planning
a weekend trip across the Mexican border for a shopping spree.

At the last minute their baby sitter canceled, so they had to bring along
their two year old son with them. They had been across the border for about
an hour when the baby got free and ran around the corner. The mother went
chasing, but the boy had disappeared.

The mother found a police officer who told her to go to the gate and wait.
Not really understanding the instructions, she did as she was instructed.
About 45 minutes later, a man approached the border carrying the boy.

The mother ran to him, grateful that he had been found. When the man realized
it was the boy's mother, he dropped the boy and ran himself. The police were
waiting for him and got him.

The boy, was dead, in less than 45 minutes he was missing, and cut open, ALL
of his insides removed and his body cavity stuffed with COCAINE.

The man was going to carry him across the border as if he were asleep. A two
year old boy, dead, discarded as if he were a piece of trash for somebody's
cocaine.

If this story can get out and change one person's mind about what drugs
mean to them, We are helping.

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[CTRL] Even This DOG Get's Her Day!

1999-08-27 Thread William Shannon

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Prosecutor Rejects Tripp Request for Evidence


Former White House staffer Linda Tripp (AP)


--
--
>From The Post

Tripp Challenges Indictment in Md. (Aug. 19)


Grand Jury Indicts Tripp (July 31)

On Our Site

Audio Excerpts from the Tripp Tapes
--
--

 By Raja Mishra
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 27, 1999; Page B2

Maryland State Prosecutor Stephen Montanarelli refused yesterday to turn over
any evidence to Linda R. Tripp's defense attorneys and declined to respond to
arguments that he would be unable to make the wiretapping case against her
without using evidence she provided under a federal grant of immunity.
Montanarelli's remarks were contained in three short responses he filed in
Howard County Circuit Court in answer to a flurry of requests filed last week
by Tripp's attorneys. Tripp's attorneys asked for all the evidence the state
prosecutor had obtained during his 13-month investigation.

"They are not entitled to all our evidence," Montanarelli said in a telephone
interview yesterday. "We think the indictment is understandable. It couldn't
be in any plainer language."

Montanarelli also said that before going to trial, he would not turn over
grand jury transcripts sought by a Tripp attorney, Joseph Murtha, unless a
judge ordered him to do so.

The state prosecutor also made requests of the Tripp legal team, asking that
they furnish him with speech and writing samples from Tripp, a list of
experts they intend to call and a list of other witnesses.

Tripp was indicted by a Howard County grand jury July 30. She is charged with
illegally taping a phone conversation with Monica S. Lewinsky on Dec. 22,
1997, and illegally directing her attorney to disclose its contents to
Newsweek magazine. Tapes that Tripp provided to a special prosecutor were the
basis for the investigation into President Clinton's relationship with
Lewinsky, a former White House intern.

No judge has been assigned to Tripp's case, and no trial date has been set.
If convicted, Tripp could be sentenced to a maximum of five years in prison
and a $10,000 fine for each charge.

"Grand jury transcripts do not actually have to be turned over until the
witness takes the stand," Montanarelli said. "They'll get them when the judge
orders us to turn them over."

Montanarelli did provide Murtha with a list of witnesses that he plans to
call at trial but didn't make the list public.

Sources close to the investigation said yesterday that Lewinsky is on the
witness list, a move Murtha said he would welcome as of possible help to his
client.

"I think she will have information that is relevant to our defense," Murtha
said.

Lewinsky has appeared before a grand jury investigating her relations with
Clinton and before the Senate, via videotape. But she has not been
cross-examined.

In his responses, Montanarelli disclosed that he interviewed Lewinsky on June
16 and that she identified her voice and that of Tripp on a tape.

Sources have said that Lewinsky also told Montanarelli that she did not give
Tripp permission to tape their phone talks. All three are elements essential
to proving the wiretapping charge.

But the documents filed by Montanarelli gave no information as to whether he
actually has a copy of the Dec. 22, 1997, conversation.

Murtha contends that any copy of the audio tape would have to come from tape
that Tripp herself turned over to independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr. Tripp
provided the tapes to Starr in exchange for federal immunity.



© 1999 The Washington Post Company

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Re: [CTRL] Release: new Waco evidence

1999-08-27 Thread K

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> NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
> 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
> Washington DC 20037
> World Wide Web: www.LP.org
> ===
> For release: August 27, 1999
> ===
> For additional information:
> George Getz, Press Secretary
> Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ===
>
> As the Waco cover-up finally unravels,
> is it time to put Janet Reno on trial?
>
> WASHINGTON, DC -- Forget more Congressional hearings -- now
> that the FBI has admitted it used "pyrotechnic devices" during the
> massacre at Waco, it may be time to move directly to criminal trials
> for Janet Reno and other law enforcement officials, the Libertarian
> Party said today.
>
> "It's time to send a message: Hate crimes and cover-ups won't
> be tolerated in America," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national
> director. "And the way to send that message is to start criminal
> proceedings against the government officials responsible for the
> deaths of 86 people at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.
>
> "At this point, we're not saying that Janet Reno -- or any
> other individual -- is guilty of premeditated mass murder, or guilty
> of a criminal conspiracy to cover up the facts. But enough new
> evidence has emerged that a jury should consider that question."
>
> Yesterday, the FBI admitted it had been lying for six years
> when it claimed never to have used incendiary devices during the siege
> at Waco. In fact, a spokesman has now acknowledged, FBI agents had
> fired at least two flammable 40mm tear-gas canisters into the
> compound.
>
> Shortly after that military-style ordnance was deployed on
> April 19, 1993, a blazing fire engulfed the Branch Davidian complex,
> incinerating 86 people, including 24 children.
>
> The FBI's abrupt about-face came after Texas Rangers
> investigators uncovered new evidence, videotapes, and photographs that
> called into question the government's account of the massacre. Other
> evidence -- first publicized in the Academy Award-nominated
> documentary, Waco: The Rules of Engagement -- also suggested that an
> FBI helicopter had opened fire on the Branch Davidians with a machine
> gun, according to the Washington Post.
>
> Reaction to the new evidence was swift. Congressman Dan Burton
> (R-IN) said that if federal officials "have been lying," their
> "testimony on other matters should also be examined." And Congressman
> Bob Barr (R-GA) suggested that "charges of perjury" could be filed,
> and that "serious questions" have been raised about "who is
> responsible for the deaths of over 80 American men, women, and
> children." Both called for new Congressional hearings.
>
> But hearings aren't enough, said Dasbach: It's time to strip
> away the shield of "sovereign immunity" that protects government
> officials, and treat them like any other person suspected of criminal
> assault or mass murder.
>
> "Buford O'Neil Furrow, for example, faces state and federal
> charges for opening fire on a Jewish community center earlier this
> month, wounding five people, including three children," noted Dasbach.
> "At the very least, shouldn't Janet Reno face similar charges for the
> fiery deaths of 24 children?
>
> "Buford O'Neil Furrow launched his rampage because of
> irrational religious prejudice, and federal investigators may charge
> him with committing a hate crime. Part of the original explanation for
> the federal government's assault on the Branch Davidian compound was
> that it was a religious cult -- which is a prejudicial code word for
> any non-traditional religion. So, shouldn't a hate crime investigation
> be launched against Janet Reno, too?"
>
> Dasbach stressed that until all the evidence is in, Janet Reno
> and other high officials in the FBI and the BATF must be considered
> innocent.
>
> "But 86 people are dead, and the cover-up is starting to
> unravel," he said. "Fairness and justice demand that 12 ordinary
> Americans -- a jury of her peers -- should examine the evidence
> against Janet Reno in a court of law, and decide if she is criminally
> liable for this tragedy.
>
> "After all, a fair trial is the American way," said Dasbach.
> "But, unfortunately, a fair trial is a courtesy that Janet Reno did
> not extend to the 86 men, women, and children who, on her orders, were
> subjected to a barrage of gunfire, a 51-day siege, psychological
> harassment, toxic gas, and military-style pyrotechnic devices. It's
> time to right that wrong."
>
>


Kathleen


"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. 
L. Mencken

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[CTRL] Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege

1999-08-27 Thread Bard



 http://www.texasranger.org/FBI.htm

Sorry!

Overlooked including the URL in previous Post.

Bard
 Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege.url


Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Ric Carter wrote:
What'll be engineered to
ensure that Bush Jr. is the next figurehead in the White
House?

Waco was immediately resurrected when the NWO's Boy George
became threatened by the cocaine issue didn't it?  Throwing
the dogs a bone

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread William Shannon

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As usual, Ric is SPOT ON here...Good work dude
Bill.

Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.

This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially
evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce
productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage
in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering.

Is this a stretch?  Not at all.  The same people who're are Waco
conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.  The propaganda
campaigns are well-coordinated, eh?  Think about it.

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[CTRL] Case could shape future of gun control

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovfri.htm
 http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovfri.htm">Case could shape future
of gun control

08/27/99- Updated 12:35 AM ET

 Case could shape future of gun control
The Second Amendment establishes a right to possess firearms. The question
is: Is it an individual right or a military necessity?

By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. -
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, 1791

Tucked inside this famous paragraph, amid the multiple clauses, odd
punctuation and 18th-century syntax, lies the right that Americans both
cherish and fear: the right to have a gun.

But whose right is it anyway? Is there an individual right to own a gun, like
the individual right to freedom of speech or religion? Or does the Second
Amendment mean only that Americans can defend themselves collectively through
state militias, like the modern-day National Guard?

The debate over what the Second Amendment actually means has filled a forest
of law review articles and scholarly papers over the past 10 years. Now it is
about to spill out of the ivory tower and into the real world of guns and gun
control.

For the first time, a federal judge has ruled that the Second Amendment
guarantees an individual's right to own a gun. In the process, the judge
invalidated a 1994 federal law that denies guns to anyone who is under a
restraining order to prevent him or her from harassing a spouse. The law was
part of a measure aimed at reducing domestic violence by limiting access to
guns.

If the decision by a federal district court judge last April in Texas is
upheld on appeal, it could be a huge setback for gun control advocates,
placing perhaps hundreds of laws in danger of being struck down. And it would
be a victory for gun control opponents such as the National Rifle
Association, which has consistently argued that an individual's right to a
gun is protected by the Second Amendment.

An appeal of the case, U.S. v. Emerson, begins with the filing of briefs in
the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans Friday.

The case, which is likely to be argued next January or February, is unfolding
as liberal scholars such as Harvard's Laurence Tribe, who has long been
hostile to the individual-rights argument, have begun to move toward the
NRA's position.

"The real-world consequences (of the Texas case) could be enormous," says
Carl Bogus, a specialist on the Second Amendment at Roger Williams Law School
in Bristol, R.I.

If the lower-court ruling is upheld, "it would stand the law on its head,"
Bogus says. It would destroy Congress' ability to create gun control laws.
Anyone arrested under current (gun control) laws could argue they're
unconstitutional. This is not just an academic exercise."

The renewed debate over the Second Amendment's meaning comes as recent
shootings in Atlanta, Los Angeles and Littleton, Colo., have increased
pressure for new gun control laws. This week, authorities in Los Angeles took
the unprecedented step of banning sales of guns from the nation's largest gun
show.

The very fact that there is a debate is likely to surprise many Americans,
many of whom assume that the Second Amendment already guarantees them the
right to own a gun. A CBS News poll Aug. 15 found that 48% of adults believe
there is an individual right to a gun, while 38% do not.

Case began as domestic dispute

The case began last August when Sacha Emerson, 26, a nurse from San Angelo,
Texas, filed for divorce. The local court placed a restraining order on her
husband, physician Timothy Joe Emerson, 41, after she complained that he had
verbally threatened her boyfriend.

Timothy Emerson owned a handgun, which automatically put him at odds with the
federal law barring gun ownership by people under state restraining orders in
domestic disputes. A federal grand jury indicted Emerson, who was "greatly
surprised" to learn that he may have violated any law, according to his
lawyer, David Guinn.

The case never got to trial. In April, U.S. District Court Judge Sam Cummings
found that the law denying guns to those under a restraining order was an
unconstitutional infringement of the "individual right to bear arms."

The federal law, Cummings wrote, "is unconstitutional because it allows a
state court divorce proceeding, without particularized findings of the threat
of future violence, to automatically deprive a citizen of his Second
Amendment rights."

The decision took gun control advocates and opponents by surprise. Cummings,
54, who was appointed to the federal bench by President Reagan, had a
reputation as a middle-of-the-road jurist who seldom set aside an indictment.
And Emerson's lawyer, assistant federal public defender David Guinn, had
raised the Second Amendment argument almost as an afterthought.

Both sides are taking the appeal very seriously. The Nati

[CTRL] FW: [CTRL] WACO: "Dam is cracking"

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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Bard

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 2:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] WACO: "Dam is cracking"


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Photo of Modesto Police "SWAT" team carrying the same NATO insignia seen by
TV viewers of original Columbine "live" coverage.
http://216.221.173.225/

same site, at URL:
http://216.221.173.225/24.htm
24 Children Murdered -
Hunt for Killers Continues
8-25-99

To anyone who prizes his or her freedom, Waco needs no introduction. But you
do need to know about recent developments in the investigation of the
matter. The need is especially clear since most of the national media have
been working hard to ignore the story--despite its listing on AP and UPI
wire services, and discussion in the Washington Times, the Washington Post,
and other sources.

First, there have been lawsuits filed by families of those killed at Waco
and by some of the survivors. The suits were transferred to Judge Smith, the
same judge who sentenced some of the Davidians to long prison terms, and is
generally thought of as a very pro-government, very anti-Davidian judge. The
government of course moved to dismiss the cases. To the surprise of many,
Judge Smith refused, leaving open such claims as the Davidians' assertion
that the government shot at people leaving the burning building. This, Smith
stated, had at least some evidence to support it, and if proven would "shock
the conscience of the court."

Judge Smith must have been startled at the next development. Without
warning, the Texas Department of Public Safety appeared in his court. TDPS
announced that the Texas Rangers (which are part of TDPS) had two large
rooms full of Waco evidence that had never seen the light of day. It
explained that members of the public--documentary producer Michael McNulty
and attorney David Hardy--had been asking for copies, but that when it
offered to make them, federal agencies forbade it. Yet when McNulty and
Hardy asked the federal agencies for copies, the same agencies claimed that
they couldn't give them because only the Rangers had control over the
evidence. TDPS added that it did not want to be responsible for withholding
the evidence, hinted that it did not trust the federal agencies to have it,
and offered to file the entire mass (estimated at twelve tons of material)
in court!

Things became more lively when TDPS explained just what was in the evidence.
TDPS commissioner Jim Francis said that it contained government fired
projectiles, which appeared to be pyrotechnic (that is, fire producing). It
appears to this author that may prove that FBI started the fire that killed
74 people, including two dozen children. He allowed he was no expert, but
said the evidence would be at least "problematic" for the FBI's position.
(The projectiles, fired from the FBI's M- 79 grenade launchers, including
pyrotechnic CS gas rounds. These expel the CS by burning a mixture similar
to black powder, and are stamped with warnings that they cause fires and may
not be used against buildings.) The evidence was so sensitive, Francis
explained, that he had instructed the Rangers to keep FBI out of the
evidence locker until it could be secured with the court, and he had ordered
the Rangers to commence their own investigation.

The revelation of hidden evidence must have shocked Judge Smith, hitherto
seen as very pro-government. He issued an order accepting the Ranger's
evidence. Then he issued a second order, which is utterly unprecedented. He
ordered all federal agencies to turn over to the court all evidence "in any
way relevant to the events at Mt. Carmel [the Davidian building]." No one
had even thought to ask for such an order; in a civil case, judges just
don't order all the evidence turned in, whether it has been subpoenaed or
not. An anonymous law enforcement authority was quoted in the Dallas Morning
News as predicting that "The Justice Department is going to have a fit!"

That's a safe prediction. Attorney Hardy's Freedom of Information Act suit
drove ATF to admit that it had three and maybe four video cameras filming
what happened at the Davidians' front door, and likely showing exactly what
had happened when the first shots were fired--but ATF claimed all copies had
vanished. So had an infrared tape of the building, which would conclusively
show if and when the Davidians fired. We may now know exactly where those
tapes are sitting, and exactly why they've had to be hidden for six years.

Now for the things we can't talk about--or, at least, things were we can
only reveal part of the story. Michael McNulty, producer of the documentary
"Waco: The Rules of Engagement," is producing a second documentary. If the
first one was stunning--it won an Academy Award nomination--the second one
makes it look mild. With solid evidence, most of it from the government's
own files, he shows that the FBI may be guilty of lying, perj

Re: [CTRL] URGENT!!!

1999-08-27 Thread Aol user

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YOU GOT IT.

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[CTRL] University of Illinois & ADL: "armed and dangerous" Christian militias

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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It looks like various portions of "Academia" are hotbeds of fascist thought
and training.
A group calling itself "Anti Defamation League" has somehow managed to
become involved with another calling itself "Office of International
Criminal Justice" who have worked together to spread and uphold government
fascism and to attempt to undermine any actual "JUSTICE" (which in the U.S.
would mean "CONSTITUTIONAL Justice") in favor of full support of Unjust NWO
efforts to kill the 2nd Amendment, and to otherwise politically manuever for
socialist-cum-NWO Big Brother will "protect" us from ourselves...

God protect us from those who would attempt to USURP all individual freedom
in the name of FEAR.

ADL compiling a list of "armed and dangerous" Christian militias ...  (next
page)

which is prominently featured on one of the servers of University of
Illinois at Chicago...
"The Office of International Criminal Justice was founded in 1984 as a
center for excellence in education, research, development, and training at
the University of Illinois at Chicago. OICJ's mission is to improve the
administration of criminal and juvenile justice both at home and abroad by
providing enhanced opportunities for communication and collaboration by both
academics and practitioners. In collaboration with individuals, governments,
and private corporations, OICJ's charter is to:
foster better understanding of the world's criminal justice systems
assist agencies seeking to establish more humane, effective, and efficient
criminal justice services
provide opportunities for international cooperation
These goals are pursued through research, visiting scholars programs,
management and professional development programs, conference and continuing
education programs, publications, consulting services and law enforcement
and security surveys."
http://oicj.acsp.uic.edu/spearmint/public/oicj/about.cfm

"Extremist" section:
For other information about militias on this Web, you may search our pages.
Use "militia or terrorism" for the keyword search.

OICJ has published EXTREMIST Groups, a 1,100 page+ compendium of extremist
organizations operating in the United States and throughout the world.
http://oicj.acsp.uic.edu/spearmint/public/books/xtremist.cfm

The following is from:
http://www.acsp.uic.edu/OICJ/other/adlmilit.htm

A new national survey by the Anti-Defamation League offers disturbing
evidence that the militia movement has continued to grow since the Oklahoma
City bombing. The pattern is not uniform, but militia gains plainly appear
to outweigh losses -- contrary to the widespread expectation that public
shock and revulsion at the bombing might prompt the militias to disband. The
ADL survey also found that many hard-core militiamen believe that the United
States Government itself conducted the bombing to create an excuse for
further depriving citizens of their constitutional rights.

In October 1994 the ADL issued a Fact-Finding Report titled Armed &
Dangerous: Militias Take Aim at the Federal Government, detailing militia
activity in 13 states. The report sought to alert the American public and
the law enforcement community to the danger posed by these extremists, many
of whom were engaging in paramilitary training while spreading an incendiary
anti- federal government message laced with conspiracy theories and, in some
places, anti-Semitism .

An Update of Armed & Dangerous
Anti-Defamation League - 1995
David H. Strassler, National Chairman
Abraham H. Foxman, National Director
Howard P. Berkowitz, Chair, National Executive Committee Peter T. Willner,
Chief Operating Officer Kenneth Jacobson, Assistant National Director Robert
G. Sugarman, Chair, Civil Rights Jeffery P. Sinensky Director, Civil Rights
This report has been made possible through a generous grant from the William
and Naomi Gorowitz Institute on Terrorism and Extremism
Copies of this report are in the Rita and Leo Greenland Human Relations
Library and Resource Center
This publication was prepared by:
Thomas Halpern, Acting Director, Fact Finding Department; David Rosenberg,
Assistant Director, Fact Finding Department; Irwin Suall, Director of
Special Projects; David Cantor, Research Analyst, Research & Evaluation
Department; Lori Linzer, Research Analyst, Research & Evaluation Department;
Rebecca Kaufman, Research Analyst, Research & Evaluation Department.
Copyright ©1995 Anti-Defamation League
INTRODUCTION
A new national survey by the Anti-Defamation League offers disturbing
evidence that the militia movement has continued to grow since the Oklahoma
City bombing. The pattern is not uniform, but militia gains plainly appear
to outweigh losses -- contrary to the widespread expectation that public
shock and revulsion at the bombing might prompt the militias to disband. The
ADL survey also found that many hard-core militiamen believe that the United
States Government itself conducted the bombing to create an excuse for
further depriving citizens of their constitut

Re: [CTRL] Misc-ing Links

1999-08-27 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 8/26/99 11:11:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< THE CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERTARIAN PRE-LAW READING LIST: >>

Beyond Bork I wasn't aware that these closed-minded youth read
H, go figure!

Bill

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[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] RUMOR MILL NEWS KNOCKED OFFLINE

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am sitting at a computer at our local public library. I am here because I have two 
computers at home that have been wiped clean of everything that was on them... all the 
programs as well as all the information I had stored on them.

One of the computers "died" while I was back in Colorado. It was the one that I use 
for writing books and keeping track of personal things. It is not hooked up to a 
telephone.

The other computer is the one that I do most of the Rumor Mill News articles on. It is 
the one I use to get on the Internet.

Last night, after I sent my letter to Vagabond Virgin, and to everyone else on my 
mailing list, the computer froze. I turned it off and went to bed thinking that I 
could reboot it this morning.

When I tried, it was just as dead as the other one. They both appear to have been 
wiped clean of everything that was on them. Of course I will not know for sure until I 
get someone in to look at them.

I can't help but think that someone is sending me a message. However, I am not "smart" 
enough to figure out what the message is.

Did someone get mad because I was releasing information about Waco?

FYI: Unless investigators want to open the huge mind-control can of worms, there will 
be no REAL investigation of Waco.

Could the representatives of the New World Order want to keep me from putting out my 
information on the new Faction that is causing them so much trouble?

Faction three has gained control of most of the world's hard assets. They have done 
this in two ways. The first started in 1983 when over 250,000 people who were fed up 
with the way things were going, joined their assets together in a trust. The trust is 
in gold, silver and other hard metals.

The second faction of Faction Three, the military side, started in late 1995 or early 
1996. They convinced banks and countries who had bought the pirated software known as 
Promis, to buy their new "fix_it" software which would keep the United States 
government from being able to use the Promis "back door" to spy on them.

The new software, called "Salman" supposedly blocked the Promis back door. But in 
acutality, it just blocked the United States and the New World Order from being able 
to use the back door. Faction Three now controls the back door to every Promis 
software holder on the planet.

Could the NEw World Order not want people to know that accounts are being siphoned off 
all around the world? Any account that does not have the proper documentation is being 
siphoned into a trust. The money is being held until ownership of the account can be 
proved. In the meantime, no interest loans aare being given to the people who live in 
the country from where the money was stolen.

In other words, all crooked politicians, drug dealers and other assorted crooks have 
lost their money.

Could someone have wanted to stope me from putting out that information?

Or could someone want to block me telling you that the Bush family is is heavy 
negotiation with Faction Three. If they jump ship and join faction three, you will see 
a court here in the United States which will be similar to the one that existed in 
South Africa. People will confess their crimes and be able to walk away.

Will this be bad? That is yet to be known. What will be true is that we will have 
defeated the souless creatures who make up the New World Order. They will have lost 
and we will have out constitution and our rights restored.

Is this what the people who destroyed my computers wanted to keep you from knowing?

I don't know, but what I can see right now on my television is Faction Three using 
Waco to force Janet Reno into rolling over on Bill Clinton. If she doesn't do it soon, 
I fear the worst for her. Someone should clue her in.

To all of the people who thought my reply to vagabond virgin was directed to them 
it was not read the top of the email and you will see that it was a letter to 
vagaabond virgin and only her I just sent copies of it to everyone on my email 
list.

My time on the computer is running out and people are breathing heavily over my 
shoulders.

If you need to reach me, call 831 462 3949...


At this moment I do not know when I will be back online. Don't email me I doubt if 
I will come back to the library and wait an hour to get online.

There are still Wilcher Reports left... I had more than I thought I had. Also, Hal 
Massey from the Human Right commission said he will print them up so they can stay at 
the lower price.

You can call Hal at 800 400 1999

I did not have the time to take the tapes to the duplicator today... I wonder why... 
so they will not be in the mail this evening like I wanted.

I have to go now before this cmputer kicks me off.

Rayelan
aka Ru Mills

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Re: [CTRL] A Flaw Worse Than Melissa

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

 -Caveat Lector-

Like the phone companys making all vox comm law enforcement
friendlywe have purchased our own chainsb

Das GOAT wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 99-08-27 02:57:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > WASHINGTON -- A team of computer scientists has discovered a
> > bug in many Microsoft Windows computers that lets an attacker take
> > control of a PC by sending an email message.
> > The security hole, present in most copies of Windows 95 and all
> >  versions of Windows 98, would allow a malcontent to conceal
> > malicious computer code in an email message or Web page that can
> > surreptitiously modify files, reformat a hard drive, or execute any command.
>
> Bug?  I think not.  Bill Gates has worked with (for?) the NSA for a LONG time,
> in order to assure himself further billions without fear of antitrust
> prosecution.
>
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Re: [CTRL] vietnam pictures

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Kill Your TV

"Taylor, John (JH)" wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Updated 8/26/99 7:20 PM
>
> "THERE ARE TEARS IN MY EYES."
>  CNN has a new program called Dying to Tell the Story. It's a show dedicated
> to the journalists who gave or risked their lives to get the story out. I
> haven't seen it, but they are running ads for it pretty steadily. You can
> get the feel for what they're doing right away. They are laying another
> layer of treacle and hagiography on the press corps. Protectors of the first
> amendment who are willing to give their lives in defense of your right to
> know, or some other comic book drivel. CNN is part of that whole Freedom
> Forum cult which is trying to make journalism some sort of secular
> priesthood.
>
>  Go out to the Freedom Forum's "Newseum" in Arlington, Virginia and you'll
> see a lot of very interesting stuff about the press - old headlines, big TVs
> (gotta love really big TVs) and some great photography - but you will also
> see a celebration of journalists as a special caste. The press is so
> self-serving that we do not need to make these people martyrs to a great
> cause. My guess is that more Peace Corps volunteers have died digging wells
> than journalists "dying to tell the story."
>
>  Since I haven't seen the program yet, I don't want to jump the gun. But, as
> I say, I have seen the commercial. There are some powerful images in it.
> There's a shot of a man on fire. I don't know the back story, but one
> wonders if it reminded anyone else of the cameramen who filmed a burning man
> until they were sure they got the shot before they put him out.
>
>  But the really disturbing image is of Nguyen Ngoc Loan shooting a man.
> Everybody has seen this picture or the film of the incident. A cruel and
> angry South Vietnamese General executes what appears to be a defenseless
> Vietcong prisoner. Eddie Williams, The AP photographer who snapped the
> photo, earned a Pulitzer Prize for the picture. That picture helped
> galvanize the anti-war effort in the United States. Hubert Humphrey, at the
> time the photo was taken, was on the verge of challenging President Johnson
> for the Democratic nomination for president. The photo (and subsequent NBC
> film) helped stir sentiment to the point that Johnson announced he would not
> seek a second term only two months later. It is one of the most powerful
> icons for everything that was supposedly wrong with that war. It is
> precisely the sort of professional coup that a reporter who's "Dying to Tell
> the Story" dreams of getting.
>
>  Except Eddie Adams wishes he never took the picture.
>
>  After the photo was seen around the world, the AP assigned Williams to hang
> out with General Loan. He discovered that Loan was a beloved hero in
> Vietnam, to his troops and the citizens. "He was fighting our war, not their
> war, our war, and every - all the blame is on this guy," Williams told NPR
> (in what may have been the most surprisingly courageous NPR interview I've
> ever heard). Williams learned that Loan fought for the construction of
> hospitals in South Vietnam and unlike the popular myths, demonstrated the
> fact that at least some South Vietnamese soldiers really did want to fight
> for their country and way of life.
>
>  Just moments before that photo had been taken, several of his men had been
> gunned down. One of his soldiers had been at home, along with the man's wife
> and children. The Vietcong had attacked during the holiday of Tet, which had
> been agreed upon as a time for a truce. As it turned out, many of the
> victims of the NC and North Vietnamese were defenseless. Some three thousand
> of them were discovered in a mass grave outside of Hue after the Americans
> reoccupied the area. The surprise invasion, turned out to be a military
> disaster for the Vietcong, but a huge strategic victory because of its
> effect on American resolve.
>
>  But at the time, all of this was irrelevant to people like Loan. It was an
> ugly, shocking assault. The execution of the prisoner was a reprisal. It was
> an ugly thing to be sure, but wars, civil wars especially, are profoundly
> ugly things.
>
>  Williams wrote in Time magazine, "The general killed the Viet Cong; I
> killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful
> weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even
> without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't
> say was, 'What would you do if you were the general at that time and place
> on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away
> one, two or three American soldiers?'"
>
>  The picture that Williams took, the picture that CNN thinks is such an
> atrocious and ignoble deed, ruined Loan's life. More to the point, it didn't
> expand on "our right to know." It didn't answer questions, or give us the
> story. It deceived. It gave no context. It confirmed the biases of the
> anti-war journalists, 

Re: [CTRL] Beware men with black bags (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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All this has been already going on for quite some time and
animal Clinton is just trying to legislate retroactively tyo
keep his pet fbi from looking any dumber than they already
do...they are desperately trying to convince people that
this is all new technology but it has been going on for 10
years heavyits called prophylactic law enforcement and
its pure control and highly illegal and very well developed
here in the Federal Reserve USSA.  Vote all republicrat
liars and thieves OUT of office election2000.  Kick the Fed
the HELL OUT of the United StatesAndrew Jackson was the
last American president.

Bill Gallagher

Zombie Cow wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/238/business/Beware_men_with_black_bags+.shtml
>
> Beware men with black bags
>
> By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Columnist, 08/26/99
>
> Soon, every well-dressed hoodlum may be carrying a laptop computer. It
> may be the only way to keep their criminal enterprises safe from the
> scrutiny of Uncle Sam.
>
> By now you've heard that the Clinton administration wants Congress to
> grant federal law enforcement agents the power to break into the homes
> and businesses of criminal suspects and plant digital bugs in their
> computers. These devices would bypass encryption programs that can be
> used to scramble data. As a result of such ''black-bag jobs,'' the
> Feds would be able to acquire all manner of useful evidence that is
> presently beyond their reach.
>
> Computer-industry officials, members of Congress, and Internet
> activists have denounced the idea. With good reason, they fret about
> privacy, free speech, unreasonable searches and seizures, and so on.
>
> My doubts were of a more technical nature. Can you really bug
> somebody's computer without the user noticing? I mean, a room can't
> tell you it's been bugged, but a computer will tell you quite a lot
> about what it's doing, if you run the right kind of diagnostic
> software.
>
> Say the government wants to read my encrypted e-mails. John McCown,
> technical director for network security at ICSA Inc. in Reston, Va.,
> says agents could subtly alter my encryption software to make messages
> much easier to crack. Suddenly, secret messages become easy prey.
>
> OK, but to do that, the spies would have to change at least one file
> on my computer. Couldn't I just run a search to see if any files have
> been modified? You can do that with the Find feature in Windows 95,
> and there are more sophisticated programs that will check every sector
> of the disk for alterations. Run such a check every day and I'm safe,
> right?
>
> Wrong, says Bruce Schneier, inventor of the Blowfish encryption
> algorithm and president of Counterpane Systems, a computer security
> firm in Minneapolis. If the FBI got hold of your computer, they could
> rig it so that none of these tests would work any more.
>
> For instance, snoops could alter the operating system so that it no
> longer displays evidence of a tampered file. And if you try to load a
> specialized disk-checking program, the tampered computer could be set
> up to load its own phony version of the software instead - a version
> that would tell you all is well. Because the computer's been
> compromised, you can't rely on any test results. ''The thing being
> modified can't check itself,'' Schneier said.
>
> The cops might not even need to enter your home. Richard Smith,
> security expert and president of Phar Lap Software in Cambridge, says
> some Internet software contains security holes that'll let skilled
> programmers install software on distant computers, without the user
> knowing. ''The feds can try that first,'' says Smith, ''and then in a
> couple of days, if that doesn't work, try a break-in.''
>
> And as long as the federal agents are in your house, why should they
> stop at altering your software? They've got the entire computer to
> play with. ''You could insert devices that would attach to the
> motherboard, that the software wouldn't even see,'' says Phil
> Zimmermann, inventor of the legendary Pretty Good Privacy encryption
> program.
>
> A spy could insert a gadget that would keep a record of every button
> you push on the keyboard. The data could be transmitted over a
> wiretap, or squirted over the Internet the next time you log on. Or
> the device could simply record your typing for later retrieval by the
> black-bag squad. ''It would work all too well,'' says Zimmermann.
>
> There is an upside to all this. The Clinton administration has
> previously sought to stop everybody from using high-quality encryption
> software. At least the new plan targets suspected criminals, and in
> theory leaves the rest of us alone. Federal judges would have to sign
> off on the break-ins, just as they do with phone wiretaps. The feds
> seem to have been fairly responsible in their use of phone-tapping, so
> there's reason to hope that they'd show the same restraint with our
> computers.
>
> But just in 

Re: [CTRL] Giuliani Just Another "Guido" Hypocrite!

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Yeah Guiliani thinks the right people in politics means the
privileged who are "Above" the law and don't need to answer
like the rest of us...there is an amazing parallel between
guiliani and tampa mayor dick the gecko greco (Who fronts
for another new yorker george steinbrenner)...they have sold
out to the bushes for promises of federal positions...this
illustrates that very well...now that the people are
starting to understand the bush crime family for what it
really is, The Bush CRIME Family, these measly little people
are squawking like ducks...off with their headsbg

William Shannon wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Bush Whackers Hit
> Rudy rips press
> over George W. drug issue
>
> By KENNETH R. BAZINET and FRANK LOMBARDI
> Daily News Staff Writers
>
> Mayor Giuliani yesterday launched a blazing defense of embattled Texas Gov.
> George W. Bush by denouncing the media as "voyeurs" for pressing the
> presidential candidate on whether he has used cocaine. "Pursuing people's
> personal lives has become a sickness, and it's going to hurt ultimately in
> getting the right people in politics," Giuliani admonished reporters at City
> Hall.
>
> Texas Gov. George W. Bush
>
> Bush, the Republican presidential front-runner, repeatedly has refused to
> flatly admit — or deny — having used cocaine. But under intensified media
> questioning last week, Bush indicated he hadn't used illegal drugs for at
> least 25 years.
>
> Giuliani — a former federal prosecutor who built his career on a tough
> law-and-order philosophy — accused reporters of digging into candidates'
> private lives "because it's fun and it makes news and it sells newspapers.
>
> "I think this is voyeurism, not legitimate pursuit of issues," the Republican
> mayor and probable U.S. Senate candidate fumed when asked about the Bush
> situation.
>
> The purpose of the media grilling, the mayor argued, is "hounding people who
> are in public office."
>
> Giuliani, who has praised, but not formally endorsed, Bush's candidacy,
> argued that the campaign should focus on the job Bush has done as governor of
> Texas and what Bush says he would do as President.
>
> "I respect the decisions that Gov. Bush has made about his own privacy,"
> Giuliani added.
>
> Asked if he had used pot or cocaine, the mayor noted that he has answered
> "no" to that question.
>
> But he said he now regrets having answered because, "it's really none of your
> business if I did or I didn't."
>
> President Clinton — who as a candidate said he tried marijuana but didn't
> inhale — also was drawn into the drug debate yesterday. At the President's
> vacation retreat on Martha's Vineyard, White House spokesman Joe Lockhart
> confirmed published reports that Clinton has denied ever using cocaine.
>
> With First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton nursing a cold, the First Family spent
> yesterday relaxing at their 20-acre oceanside Vineyard retreat.
>
> The Clintons have no public events scheduled for the remainder of their
> week-long stay on the Massachusetts resort island.
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Re: [CTRL] Beware swarms of 'smart dust'

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Driftglass.

Zombie Cow wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/ns-bso082499.html
>
> Beware swarms of 'smart dust'
>
> CLEANLINESS freaks have a new rationale for their pathological hatred
> of dust-it could soon be spying on them.
>
> Packed full of sensors, lasers and communications transceivers,
> particles of "smart dust" are being designed to communicate with one
> another. They could be used for a range of applications from weather
> monitoring to spying.
>
> The tiny "motes" are being developed at the University of California,
> Berkeley, as part of a programme to produce the smallest possible
> devices that have a viable way of communicating with each other.
>
> Each mote is made up of a number of microelectromechanical systems, or
> MEMS, wired up to form a very simple computer. At present each mote is
> 5 millimetres long, but Kris Pister, one of the developers, says that
> in future they could be small enough to remain suspended in air,
> buoyed by the currents, sensing and communicating for hours.
>
> The latest version not only has a thick-film battery powering it but
> also a solar cell to recharge it. "This remarkable package has the
> ability to sense and communicate, and is self-powered," says Randy
> Katz, a communications engineer on the project. He presented the
> latest work at last week's Mobicom99 mobile computing meeting in
> Seattle.
>
> MEMS are made using the same photolithographic techniques as
> integrated circuits, so once perfected they should be easy to
> mass-produce. Patterns are etched out of a silicon wafer to create
> structures such as optical mirrors or tiny engines.
>
> Each mote in a smart-dust system will need to survive on extremely low
> power, while being able to communicate kilobits of data per second. To
> this end, says Katz, the team has designed motes that shut down parts
> of themselves when they are not being used.
>
> The latest challenge has been to devise a system that enables the
> motes to communicate. Katz and his colleagues decided to use optical
> transceivers because of their low energy demand compared with radio
> communications. According to Pister they have already shown that they
> can monitor the dust 21 kilometres across San Francisco Bay. "There's
> no way you're going to get that kind of range except with optical
> devices," he says.
>
> "The base station may actually reside in a hand-held unit, much like a
> pair of binoculars," says Katz. This would allow for simultaneous
> viewing of the scene from afar while superimposing any measured data
> on the image. He adds that this approach could be especially useful
> for hazardous applications such as detecting chemical weapons or
> sending the dust into space.
>
> The next task is to build distributed intelligence into the dust to
> produce "swarm behaviour".
>
> ###
>
> Author: Duncan Graham-Rowe
>
> New Scientist issue 28th August 99
>
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[CTRL] Up against the wall civil liberties

1999-08-27 Thread K

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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Aug1999/082799/civilliberties082799.
htm

Up against the wall civil liberties
By Justin Torres
CNS Senior Staff Writer
(CNSNews.com) - Are civil liberties becoming the latest casualty in
the war on crime? One author says yes.
In Warrior Cops: The Ominous Growth of Paramilitarism in
American Police Departments, published recently by the Cato
Institute, Diane Cecilia Weber tracks the increasing use of
paramilitary SWAT units in criminal cases across the U.S.
According to Weber, political pressure to show victories in the war
on drugs and violent crime may be driving some police departments
to use paramilitary tactics and weaponry that confuses the natures
of the police and the military - and may violate civil liberties.
"Politicians talk about a war on drugs, but who is the enemy, and
where is the front?" Weber told CNSNews.com from her home in
Charlottesville, Va. "In the meantime, we increasingly run the risk
of having SWAT teams break into homes and hold people at
gunpoint over trivial matters."
Cases like the suppression of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Tex.,
or the use of a SWAT team against Samuel Heflin in Colorado (as
reported earlier this week by CNSNews.com) are occurring with
greater frequency as police departments share training and
weaponry with military units.
That trend is a dangerous one, says Weber, because it confuses
the nature of the police with that of the military.
"The sharing of training and technology is producing a shared
mindset," Weber observed. "The problem is that the mindset of the
soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer."
In fact, said Weber, police and military should have distinctly
different mindsets, because they serve different needs and function
in different ways.
"The job of a police officer is to keep the peace, but not just by any
means. Police officers are expected to apprehend suspected
lawbreakers while adhering to constitutional procedures. They are
expected to use minimum force and to deliver suspects to a court
of law," Weber told CNSNews.com.
"The soldier, on the other hand, is an instrument of war. In boot
camp, recruits are trained to inflict maximum damage on enemy
personnel. Confusing the police function with the military function
can have dangerous consequences."
Weber also notes that the Founding Fathers specifically warned
against giving the police military powers. "They knew that police
had to be different from the military, or they could become agents
for tyranny."
While Weber stresses that most police officers involved in SWAT
team activity are "good people," nonetheless the system is set up
in such a way that there is no "check on bad cops who abuse the
power of the SWAT team. . . . There's no nationwide standards on
when SWAT team should or should not be used."
In most cases, said Weber, there is little need for a police
department to have a SWAT team. However, the media has
consistently supported SWAT activities, while downplaying the
problems it causes.
However, A.N. Moser, executive director of the National Sheriff's
Association, told CNSNews.com that SWAT teams are necessary
to fight crime effectively.
"If they aren't available, what is a sheriff supposed to do if he's
faced with criminals who have overwhelming weaponry?" said
Moser.
Moser agrees that the possibility exists that a SWAT team could
be used illegally, but says that most SWAT teams have effective
training.
"Training is a state and local issue, but as long as [SWAT team
members] are trained in the proper use of weaponry, physical
fitness, and constitutional law, they shouldn't have a problem."


Kathleen


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every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson (1800)

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Re: [CTRL] (fwd) Results of Gun Control in Australia After One Year

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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Hi David,

My source (as I attributed it in my post) is third or fourth-hand at best...
the information was passed to me and attributed thusly:
> Orange County Register
> Letters to the Editor Section
> 8/4/99
and can be found verbatim on this site, which I located in response to your
request:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html
It appears that the NRA would be fully informed on this- if you should
manage to get in touch with anyone there who has an interest in the current
WORLDWIDE "gun control" ("gun control means being able to hit your target"
:)  portion of the NWO agenda, please keep me "in the loop."

In the process of researching this data for you, I've found some other
related information, all of which shows a disturbing PATTERN of government
sponsored GUN CONFISCATION, which is "justified" by the CONTROLLED media,
which we are seeing HERE in America presently engaged in whipping up the
kind of frenzy which preceded the Australian gun CONFISCATION LEGISLATION
utilizing incidents similar to the very SUSPICIOUS 1000%
over-emotionalized/overpublicized incidents conveniently grouped together
recently in the U.S.- in which covert government activity has been noted-
where "mass" public shooting incidents have occurred.

If you are not already aware of covert government involvement in recent
incidents at Columbine and Granada Hills (probably Atlanta as well) -feel
free to call on me to provide you with sources by which you may inform
yourself on "our" government's criminal covert operations which appear to be
at the root of the "anti-gun" and "anti-militia" terrorism against the
Citizens of the several united States.

I imagine you are aware of the gun control-related WACO mass murder in which
we have just seen publically admitted- the U.S. military's "secret" Delta
Force group (based in N.C.) partipated-  military incendiary devices were
found in the debris by Texas Rangers (who are HONEST and un-controlled by
NWO government factions, apparently) .. this is "in the news" at this
moment.

Back to Australia

Found a rather direct source indicating Australian Gov't funding was
circuitously provided to "Gun control" advocacy/activist group(s) in the
public sector:
http://www.ssaa.org.au/Senate1.html

More on gun control in OZ- this site mentions the following blurb:
STOP PRESS:  In early May 99, the Herald Sun published a table produced by
the Monash University's Accident Research Centre that said there were 628
deaths from the shooting sports in Victoria in the period 1989 - 1995.

The ARC later admitted that the true number of such deaths was *not 628, but
4.*   This is not a misprint. . 4. However the Herald Sun has since
published a letter to the editor identifying just how wrong the public
perception is about the shooting sports.
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~tonka/index.htm


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: David Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:54 AM
To: Dave
Cc: A Matt (Tribune) Mittan
Subject: Re: (fwd) Results of Gun Control in Australia After One Year


Could you send me the source for this data? It is very interesting, and I am
sure it is true. Thanks.
David


>forwarded...
>
>Dave Hartley
>http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
>http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
>
>
>From: "Solutions International" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:24:37 +
>
> Subject: Australia Gun Control 12 Months later Stats.
>
> Australia Crime Increases After Guns Are Confiscated
> Orange County Register
> Letters to the Editor Section
> 8/4/99:
>
> It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were
> forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a
> program costing the government more than $500 million dollars.
>
> And now the results are in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
> percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-
> wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent). In the
> state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.
> Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
> armed robbery with firearms (changed drastically in the past 12
> months). There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
> assaults of the elderly.
>
> Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how
> no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
> monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
> "ridding society of guns." Bet you wont see this data on the
> evening news or hear your governor or members of the state
> Assembly disseminating this information. It's time to state it
> plainly: Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and
> property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding
> citizens. Take note, Californians, before it's too late!
>
>-
> -- End of forwarded message
>

Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread K

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>  The same people who're are Waco
> conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.


Who are these "same people"?  I hope you're not accusing me of
being anti-evolution.

The problem I see with categorizing people into groups is that it
ignores the fact that groups are made up of individuals, each of
whom has his/her own particular point of view on any number of
issues.  There's bound to be some overlap between one group and
another, but just because Mary and Jeff in Group A share some
opinions with Joe in Group B, it doesn't prove that the people of
Group A are the same as those of Group B.

BTW, why does no one ever answer the simple question:  Why
didn't they arrest Koresh?  AFAIK, he is the only one who was
accused of any crimes.  Not only has the question not been
answered, it hasn't even been dealt with.  That particular question
is invariably ignored and not responded to.



I want .50 cal machine guns as a factory option.

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[CTRL] WACO: "Dam is cracking"

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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Photo of Modesto Police "SWAT" team carrying the same NATO insignia seen by
TV viewers of original Columbine "live" coverage.
http://216.221.173.225/

same site, at URL:
http://216.221.173.225/24.htm
24 Children Murdered -
Hunt for Killers Continues
8-25-99

To anyone who prizes his or her freedom, Waco needs no introduction. But you
do need to know about recent developments in the investigation of the
matter. The need is especially clear since most of the national media have
been working hard to ignore the story--despite its listing on AP and UPI
wire services, and discussion in the Washington Times, the Washington Post,
and other sources.

First, there have been lawsuits filed by families of those killed at Waco
and by some of the survivors. The suits were transferred to Judge Smith, the
same judge who sentenced some of the Davidians to long prison terms, and is
generally thought of as a very pro-government, very anti-Davidian judge. The
government of course moved to dismiss the cases. To the surprise of many,
Judge Smith refused, leaving open such claims as the Davidians' assertion
that the government shot at people leaving the burning building. This, Smith
stated, had at least some evidence to support it, and if proven would "shock
the conscience of the court."

Judge Smith must have been startled at the next development. Without
warning, the Texas Department of Public Safety appeared in his court. TDPS
announced that the Texas Rangers (which are part of TDPS) had two large
rooms full of Waco evidence that had never seen the light of day. It
explained that members of the public--documentary producer Michael McNulty
and attorney David Hardy--had been asking for copies, but that when it
offered to make them, federal agencies forbade it. Yet when McNulty and
Hardy asked the federal agencies for copies, the same agencies claimed that
they couldn't give them because only the Rangers had control over the
evidence. TDPS added that it did not want to be responsible for withholding
the evidence, hinted that it did not trust the federal agencies to have it,
and offered to file the entire mass (estimated at twelve tons of material)
in court!

Things became more lively when TDPS explained just what was in the evidence.
TDPS commissioner Jim Francis said that it contained government fired
projectiles, which appeared to be pyrotechnic (that is, fire producing). It
appears to this author that may prove that FBI started the fire that killed
74 people, including two dozen children. He allowed he was no expert, but
said the evidence would be at least "problematic" for the FBI's position.
(The projectiles, fired from the FBI's M- 79 grenade launchers, including
pyrotechnic CS gas rounds. These expel the CS by burning a mixture similar
to black powder, and are stamped with warnings that they cause fires and may
not be used against buildings.) The evidence was so sensitive, Francis
explained, that he had instructed the Rangers to keep FBI out of the
evidence locker until it could be secured with the court, and he had ordered
the Rangers to commence their own investigation.

The revelation of hidden evidence must have shocked Judge Smith, hitherto
seen as very pro-government. He issued an order accepting the Ranger's
evidence. Then he issued a second order, which is utterly unprecedented. He
ordered all federal agencies to turn over to the court all evidence "in any
way relevant to the events at Mt. Carmel [the Davidian building]." No one
had even thought to ask for such an order; in a civil case, judges just
don't order all the evidence turned in, whether it has been subpoenaed or
not. An anonymous law enforcement authority was quoted in the Dallas Morning
News as predicting that "The Justice Department is going to have a fit!"

That's a safe prediction. Attorney Hardy's Freedom of Information Act suit
drove ATF to admit that it had three and maybe four video cameras filming
what happened at the Davidians' front door, and likely showing exactly what
had happened when the first shots were fired--but ATF claimed all copies had
vanished. So had an infrared tape of the building, which would conclusively
show if and when the Davidians fired. We may now know exactly where those
tapes are sitting, and exactly why they've had to be hidden for six years.

Now for the things we can't talk about--or, at least, things were we can
only reveal part of the story. Michael McNulty, producer of the documentary
"Waco: The Rules of Engagement," is producing a second documentary. If the
first one was stunning--it won an Academy Award nomination--the second one
makes it look mild. With solid evidence, most of it from the government's
own files, he shows that the FBI may be guilty of lying, perjury, and
homicide. He found the 40 mm Pyrotechnic shells, and tied them to the fire.
Retired FBI and government sources agreed to talk. The picture that emerges
is even grimmer than we might have thought.

Some Davidians had claimed tha

[CTRL] Burnt Velveeta Sandwhich

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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If ya look at the players and the play, who's talking and squawking; this
whole 'new  revelations' about Waco are an ops play to get away from Dubba's
troubs and focus the wrath of the growing 'suspicious' populace's anger
towards the current administation.

Velveetasize the revolution,
Whip 'em up, move 'em on.
Will it work on you?
Well, it works on cows;
And how . . .
Cheeseburgers at eleven.

Om
k

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Re: [CTRL] Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told

1999-08-27 Thread Steve Wingate

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This unfolding story is a good example of deep dishonesty within the US
government, and how they only tell as much truth as required by the
evidence that they cannot destroy and the withnesses that they cannot kill.
It's called "a limited hangout." I suspect the government will be doing this
quite a bit in the next few weeks.

Another trick they are using is to have the same agency that deceived the
public in the past (the FBI in this case), conduct the investigation. The CIA
did this a while back with the CIA-Drugs investigation. It was a limited
hangout as well, naturally.

The American people are for the most part fools, preferring to believe that
replacing Clinton with George Bush, Jr., will put an end to this deception.

Steve


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
http://www.anomalous-images.com

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Re: [CTRL] CT Research?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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So what's got you all up in a bunch?

Myself am busy, what's up?

Om
K

In a message dated 8/27/99 12:43:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>If someone tries to punch holes in your pet-theory: Ignore
>inconvenient questions and hope they'll go away.
>


> end quote
>
>Are you scared of criticizing Fritz and running the risk of being
>branded a "satanist" too? Does he hurt you when you criticize him?
>Are you really living in a "Land of the free, home of the brave"?
>
>Be honest and remove the 'Research' from the name of the list.
>
>Goodnight kids, dream on...
>
>Natalie
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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread ASu2431426

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How long have you been around?

It COULD be Chinese disinformation, but I doubt it..  On the other hand the
Government does so many  stupid things its hard to avoid the idea of
conspriacy.

Example:  Washington built up the USSR with "trade" and technology.
Catalogued in my book BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY. in 1972.  Instead of thanks
for the work I got insults,harassment, threats  and finally kicked out of
Stanford.  Now Washington wants to build up China with technology,same policy
that was behind the Cold War.  You can call it greed,  conspiracy, stupidity
Or a mix of all these things...Most likely is corporate self interest
facilitated by access money.

To be sure one can take conspiracy too far...and Waco to me seems no more
than a police state gone crazy  I am moving to the conclusion-after 50 years
of research- that the system is corrupt and the most corrupt float to the top
 Simple as that...

It could be that Waco revival is deception.that means that Clinton and
Bush are in collusion.  If you know whats coming down the road in the
CIA/COCAINE/ MENA/BUSH  mess certainly it points to collusion...but only on
this one topic

The simple fact of greed and the need to cover past sins explains an awful
lot..

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[CTRL] Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told

1999-08-27 Thread Steve Wingate

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Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told

Pentagon won't discuss Army commando unit

08/27/99

By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News

© 1999, The Dallas Morning News

A former CIA officer said Thursday that he learned from Delta Force
commandos that members of the secret Army unit were "present, up front
and close" in helping the FBI in the final tear-gas assault on the Branch
Davidian compound.

The former officer, Gene Cullen, told The Dallas Morning News that he
heard the detailed accounts of the military's active involvement from "three
or four" anti-terrorist Delta commandos as he worked with them on an
overseas assignment in 1993.

"Whether it's the macho-bravo-type talk of guys in the field, I don't know," he
said, declining to identify the individuals involved. "I have no reason to
suspect that they lied. And it didn't just come from one of them. There were
three or four guys that confirmed that, who were from Delta."

In the months after the Waco tragedy, Mr. Cullen said, he heard from
associates in Delta Force that the secret unit's involvement there amounted
to far more than observation or tactical discussions.

While he was deployed overseas on an assignment, Mr. Cullen said, Delta
operators told him that the unit "had 10 operators down there, that they
were involved in the advanced forward stages of [the FBI's April 19]
operations."

"When they explained to me the depth to which they were involved down in
Waco, I was quite surprised. They said basically they were out there in the
vehicles, the Bradley [fighting vehicles], the CEV [tanks]," he said. "They
were active."

The chairman of the Texas Department of Public Safety told The News on
Thursday that evidence in the hands of Texas law enforcement personnel
may support the account given to Mr. Cullen.

"I'm advised there is some evidence that may corroborate" the allegation
that Delta Force participated in the assault, said James B. Francis Jr., the
DPS official.

A Pentagon spokesman who spoke on condition of anonymity denied
Thursday that any U.S. military units were involved in the assault, "as far as I
know."

Use of active-duty military personnel against civilians without a specific
presidential decree is a violation of federal law.

The spokesman confirmed that three Defense Department "observers"
whom he declined to identify were in the Waco area on April 19, 1993, the
day that an FBI tear-gas assault ended in a fire that consumed the
compound. Branch Davidian leader David Koresh and more than 80
followers died in the fire, which arson investigators ruled was deliberately
set by sect members.

The spokesman said Pentagon policy barred him from any public
discussion of Delta Force, even the possibility of its existence.

A once-classified memo written to the military's Special Forces Command,
which includes Delta Force, indicated that three of its members watched
the final tragedy unfold. The May 1993 memo stated that the observers did
not participate and were warned not to videotape anything that happened.

Mr. Francis said evidence in the hands of Texas law enforcement suggests
that more than three Delta Force members were at the compound on April
19 and involved in the assault.

"I have been advised that there are some police officers who have
developed some evidence that needs looking into with regard to what the
role of Delta Force was at the Branch Davidian compound," he said,
declining to elaborate.

"I think it's a subject that the FBI director and the attorney general need to
look into," Mr. Francis said. "The $64 question is whether they were
advisory or operational, and I think some of the evidence is problematical."

An FBI spokesman in Washington said he had been instructed by the
Department of Justice to refer all questions on the presence of Delta Force
to the Pentagon.

The spokesman, Tron Brekke, added that he could not say whether Delta
Force might have actively assisted the FBI in any way in Waco "because I
don't think anybody knows."

"That's part of the reason that the attorney general and the director are, in a
very expeditious manner, going to have 40 assistant inspectors and
whoever is chosen to lead them come down and find out definitively what
did happen," he said. "I don't know what was done or wasn't done down
there."

On Wednesday, the FBI announced that a full inquiry was being launched to
explain the possible use of pyrotechnic tear-gas canisters by the FBI
hostage rescue team during the final assault.

The bureau's admission that such devices "may have been used" marked
an abrupt reversal of a long-standing denial that its agents used anything
capable of sparking a fire at the compound.

Bureau and Justice Department officials have maintained that the devices
could not have played a role in the fire because they were used hours
before the blaze and were fired at an underground bunker adjacent to the
wooden compound.

A pending wrongful-death suit filed by surviving Br

Re: [CTRL] [SC] Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution

1999-08-27 Thread Ric Carter

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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > > And your characterizations about scientific paradigms are absurd and
> > >  totally inaccurate. Scientists make their reputations by squashing
> > >  old paradigms, not worshipping them - by establishing new paradigms,
> > >  not abjuring them. You've never read a scientific journal, have you?
> >
> > I don't know where you read science journals at but this is just plain
> > wrong. Reputable scientists with new theories are often ridiculed and
> > put down, without even a proper hearing, if their theories do not jibe
> > with those of the people in positions of power in the scientific
> > establishment.  When a person is prevented from publishing and getting
> > "peer review" then, in effect, their career is doomed.

Ever heard of the Internet?  Ever read a sci.* newsgroup?  Ever seen the
discussions on data and theories, the pre-publication collaboration that
goes on constantly, the sharing of results?  You're talking about a rigid
controlled environment that no longer exists.  Sure, establishments DID
exist, the most flagrant example being Soviet 'science' supporting Lysen-
koism - a doctrine so wrong that it's crippled Russian agriculture for
decades afterwards.  But in the New World Order of scattered, wired
researchers, a doctrinaire establishment is rapidly eclipsed.  Science
is about *testable*, *workable*, *usable* theories - explanations that
don't work, don't survive.  It's remarkably Darwinian.

> > This takes place regularly, and with conviction.  People are routinely
> > prevented from publishing when they have something to say which greatly
> > contradicts the current paradigm.

Give us some current examples, please.  Present some evidence to support
this contention.  WHO is prevented from presenting their ideas?  WHO is
so totally censored that they can't even publish on the Net?  C'mon,
name some names.

> > With that said, it is an entrenched system like most others and is not
> > likely to change any time soon.  Science is not bad, it is good and
> > has enabled us to understand the world around us like never before,
> > and I'm all for the further (well thought out) use of it in the
> > future, and for every possible advance.

Entrenched system?  Look at ANY field where there are rapid changes,
where anything published 5 years ago is obsolete, and try to say
"entrenched system" with a straight face.  Hint: physics, biology,
astronomy, cognition, archaeology...

> > Furthermore, I don't deny evolution I just think alternative view-
> > points should be allowed a hearing. JUST BECAUSE SOME SCIENTIST
> > SAYS SOMETHING IS SO, DOES NOT MEAN IT IS, EVEN IF A BUNCH OF OTHER
> > SCIENTISTS THINK IT IS TOO. Other theories, or speculations, or
> > notions, as you are wont to call them, should be examined and
> > allowed a fair airing.  If they are rubbish the rational will
> > reject them, covering them up, ignoring them, refusing them a
> > hearing, or ridiculing them just makes them seem more attractive
> > to some members of society, most particularly the fundamentalist
> > Christianity that is imbued in conspiracy theory today.

Ever been to a scientific conference?  For ever 3 scientists, there
are 5 theories.  Those theories supported by the most evidence make
it to the next round of conferences.  Alternative notions that aren't
supported by the evidence, that aren't predictive, that aren't test-
able, are dismissed.  That's the Darwinian process - your theory's
gotta work better than everyone else's, or it'll be shitcanned.

> > By thrusting it in a corner they unwittingly give it more weight.
> > Why do you think there has always been such interest in the Kennedy
> > assassination?  Let the record speak and present all views and let
> > the rational man (or woman) make their decision.  The rest, well
> > they'll think what they want to anyway.

Creationism and Lysenkoism and many other doctrines lost out many
decades ago, and only survive now in political realms.  One needn't
"fairly consider" a doctrine that's already been shown to be bogus.

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[CTRL] CT Research?

1999-08-27 Thread Mr Q

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Yeah, that's the spirit!

If someone tries to punch holes in your pet-theory: Ignore
inconvenient questions and hope they'll go away.

 quote from Skeptic News Thursday #2, August 26 1999

 @ Cult mind control - The 10 themes of cult membership:
   http://members.aol.com/SMARTNEWS/Sample-Issue-08.htm

 1) The Doctrine is Reality - The cult's beliefs allow no
interpretation, or opposing views to be valid.
 2) Reality is Black and White, Good Versus Evil - no outside group
is valid, "no room for interpretation or deviation".

 end quote

Are you scared of criticizing Fritz and running the risk of being
branded a "satanist" too? Does he hurt you when you criticize him?
Are you really living in a "Land of the free, home of the brave"?

Be honest and remove the 'Research' from the name of the list.

Goodnight kids, dream on...

Natalie


And, thank you ric carter, for quoting my quote.
[Skeptic News Thursday #1, August 26 1999]

A man must not swallow more beliefs than he can digest.

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Re: [CTRL] HAARP more...first media mention...I think.

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Mystery In Alaska   by Mark Farmer
Popular Science Magazine September 1995

At a remote facility ringed with barbed wire, a brand new
array of 36 antennas rises from the black spruce forest that
stretches hundreds of miles across Alaska.  Completed in
December 1994 and now undergoing testing, the antenna field
is the visible part of a powerful and sophisticated
high-frequency radio transmitter designed to transform areas
of the upper atmosphere into the equivalent of huge lenses,
mirrors, and antennas.
 This little known Pentagon sponsored radio physics
project, called the High Frequency Active Auroral Research
Program (HAARP) is officially intended to expand knowledge
about the nature of long range radio communications and
surveillance using the fluctuating ionosphere (See "Way up
in the Ionosphere"), the portion of the upper atmosphere
extending from 35 miles to 500 miles above the Earth's
surface.
 According to program manager John L Hecksher of the
Phillips Laboratory at Hanscom AFB, Massachusetts, potential
military applications of the HAARP research include
developing Department of Defense for detecting cruise
missiles and communicating with submarines.  "Although HAARP
is being managed by the Air Force and Navy, it is a purely
scientific research facility that poses no threat to
potential adversaries and has no value as a military
target," he says.
 But thats just the publicly announced part of the
program.  HAARP also has a secret agenda: pursuing more
exotic military goals, such as locating deeply buried
weapons factories thousands of miles away--AND EVEN ALTERING
THE LOCAL WEATHER ABOVE AN ENEMIES TERRITORY.
 A 1990 internal document obtained by Popular Science
says the programs overall goals is to "Control ionospheric
processes in such a way as to greatly improve performance of
military command, CONTROL, and communications systems."  It
provides a description of the following applications:

* Injecting high frequency radio energy into the ionosphere
to create huge, extremely low frequency (ELF) virtual
antennas used for earth penetrating topography--peering deep
beneath the surface of the ground by collecting an analyzing
reflected ELF waves beamed down from above.

* Heating Regions of the lower and upper ionosphere to form
virtual "Lenses" and "Mirrors" that can reflect a broad
range of radio frequencies far over the horizon to detect
stealthy cruise missiles and aircraft.

* Generating ELF radio waves in the ionosphere to
communicate across large distances with deeply submerged
submarines.

And, patent documents filed during an earlier research
effort that evolved into the HAARP program outline further
military applications of ionospheric-heating technology:

* Creating a "Full Global Shield" that would destroy
ballistic missiles by overheating their electronic guidance
systems as they fly through a powerful radio-energy field.

* Distinguishing nuclear warheads from decoys by sensing
their elemental composition.

* MANIPULATING LOCAL WEATHER.

When the HAARP facility is fully constructed, it will
include several sensing and analysis systems.  At its heart
is the antenna field, which now (1995) is a demonstration
version of a larger planned array named the Ionospheric
Research Instrument (IRI) which will include 360 antennas.
The IRI is designed to temporarily modify 30 mile diameter
patches of the upper atmosphere by exciting, or heating
their constituent electrons and ions with focused beans of
powerful radio energy.  A household analogy would be a
microwave oven, which heats food by exciting its water
molecules with microwave energy.
   (Snip)

 Virtual lenses and mirrors will be generated in the
ionosphere, if the IRI works as intended (1995).  By
precisely warming a patch of the lower ionosphere, the IRI
reduces its density relative to the surrounding atmosphere.
An "Ionospheric Lense" thus formed can in turn focus a radio
beam into the upper ionosphere.  Normally, most high
frequency radio waves broadcast from the ground are absorbed
or scattered in the lower ionosphere, and few of them reach
such high altitudes.
 Next the focused radio beam excites a patch of the
upper ionosphere to form a virtual mirror.  Finally, a radio
communication signal broadcast by the IRI, focused through
the lens and reflected from the mirror can be directed far
over the horizon.

 (Snip)

Proprietary phased-array (Local Arrays) transmitting,
steering, and pulsing techniques built into the IRI will
permit rapid aiming of the radio frequency beam in any
direction, and at angles as low as 30 degrees above the
horizon.  This "Oblique Heating" ability enables HAARP to
form virtual lenses and mirrors at distances of more than
1000 miles from the transmitter.

 (Snip)

The full Global Shield is an exotic proposal for an Earth
encompassing shell of high speed electrons and ions that
would be generated by a much more powerful version of
HAARP.  Any Missile or Warhead

Re: [CTRL] Was it a Paper Moon? Did we go to the Moon?

1999-08-27 Thread T Nohava

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> Speaking of
> which maybe I will try and run it by some people. Comments anyone?. Gavin.
>

An explanation for the "Moonrocks" brought back to Earth would be
interesting.

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Feds PRINT millions of meat & gas ration cards for Martial Law inSeptember?????]]

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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Nicola Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Alan DeWalton wrote:
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> > >  The shop owner said they were too busy doing 'Government work'.  He
> > >noticed
> > >pallets and pallets of different colored coupons that said GAS on them.
> > >Other areas in the shop where pallets were stacked had signs in front of
> > >them
> > >on the floor that said things like MEAT and PETROL.
> > >

"Petrol"? Are you SURE this was in New Jersey? Last time I looked, Americans
didn't call gasoline "petrol"...

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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-08-27 Thread Ric Carter

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> > # 'Scientists started Aids epidemic'. (BBC) A polio vaccine using
> > tissue from primates could have been behind the leap made by the
> > human immunodeficiency virus [HIV] from apes and moneys to humans,
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_431000/431167.stm
>
> To err is human.  To cause the destruction of the species is one bad
> hair day!

We're just more meat for the Reptilioids to harvest, eh?

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Pole-Oo-Shun]

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Shoot...I went online looking for a soil test kit
> whereby one might determine the ph and nutrient levels in a
> sample of soil...I could not find one except a home depots
> website, but what I did find were literally HUNDREDS of soil
> test kits for eco-companies to test for PETROLEUM residues
> in the soil...its everywhere...we live in invisible
> filth...all of us...can't clean it up its on everything we
> touch we eat we breath we drinkits gross.  And this is
> not counting the radioactive stuff
> BG
>
FWIW, Bill, here are a few of the pages I turned up with an Internet search
for soil test kits (but you are absolutely right about the crap that surrounds
us...):

http://www.acorn-group.com/p8279.htm
COMPLETE SOIL TEST KIT. Includes all materials needed for rapid, accurate
testing of soils, including laminated color charts used to measure
concentrations of nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium (15 tests each) and soil pH
(30 tests). Garden guide manual and the LaMotte Soil Handbook also included to
help you interpret results and correct any deficiencies. If accuracy, speed,
and ease of use are important considerations, this kit fits all three
criteria. #TEST-6390. $37.95.
Refill Kit (all materials needed to repeat above listed tests) #TEST-6391.
$31.95.

http://growit.com/BWI/Prd1231.htm
NO WAIT™ SOIL pH TEST KIT

Contains 2 pH tests. Basic test kit for pH determines alkaline, neutral or
acidic nature of soil. Indicates need for lime or alum to balance soil pH
level. Includes easy-to-use, one-step tablet reagents. Unique Floc-Ex tablets
allow test to begin immediately. Tables included to interpret results, with
ideal pH ranges for over 100 plants. Diagrammed instructions included.
SD7405Pk/24

http://www.crl.com/~mdscienc/md01035.htm
CAT # MD5679PRICE US $ 30.95

CAT # MD5679R (reagent refill)PRICE US $26.25

This Garden Guide Kit is a simple, economical test kit for soil science
education or garden analysis. Rapid test procedures, diagrammed instructions,
and laminated color charts are used to measure concentrations of Nitrogen,
Phosphorus, Potassium (15 test each), and soil pH (30 tests). The Garden Guide
manual and LaMotte Soil Handbook are included to interpret test results and
give lime and fertilizer recommendations.

OTHER SOIL TEST KITS AND EQUIPMENT

SOIL MACRONUTRIENTS: Includes Octet Comparator test for soil pH, color chart
tests for nitrate and phosphorus, turbidity column test for potassium, soil
texture unit (1067), sample bags and soil sampling tube. CAT # MD5928 PRICE US
$239.00 CAT # MDR5928 (reagent refill) PRICE US $74.00
SOIL MICRONUTRIENTS: Includes extraction and filtration materials and color
chart tests for: Ammonia, Nitrite, Calcium, Chlorides, Magnesium, Manganese,
Iron, Aluminum and Sulfate. CAT # MD5938 PRICE US-$257.00-CAT # MDR5938
(reagent refill) PRICE US $107.00
PLANT MACRONUTRIENT KIT: Includes colorimetric tests for nitrogen, phosphorus,
and potassium which are performed on liquid extract prepared from plant
tissue. CAT # MD5026 PRICE US $49.95CAT #MDR5026 (reagent refill) PRICE US
$39.45
PLANT MICRONUTRIENT KIT: Included in this kit are tests for Boron,Copper,
Ferrous and Ferric iron, Manganese, and Zinc. These tests are performed using
color spot tests on filter paper onto which sap has been expressed from
freshly cut plant tissue. CAT # MD5261 PRICE US $53.95CAT # MDR5261
(reagent refill) PRICE US $45.00.
HYDROPONICS LAB: There are nine key tests for hydroponic solutions. Octet
Comparator tests for pH, nitrate, ammonia, phosphorus, sulfate; Direct Reading
Titrator tests for calcium, magnesium; Spot test for iron, and Turbidity test
for potassium. CAT # MD5406 PRICE US $299.00CAT # MDR5406 (reagent refill)
PRICE US $97.30
HYDROPONICS KIT: This kit contains pH, nitrate, phosphorus, and potassium
tests found in the Hydroponics Lab (5406) above. CAT # MD3561 PRICE US
$173.25CAT # MDR3561 (reagent refill) PRICE US $54.15.





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[CTRL] A black hole ate my planet

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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>From New Scientist, 28 August 1999
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990828/ablackhole.html


A black hole ate my planet





Could physicists accidentally make killer black holes or lethal strange matter
that would swallow the Earth? At least there'd be no one left to say sorry to,
says Robert Matthews


UH-OH, the mad scientists are at it again. In their determination to extract
nature's secrets, physicists in America have built a machine so powerful it
has raised fears that it might cause The End of The World As We Know It.

"Big Bang machine could destroy Earth" ran the headline over a story in The
Sunday Times last month. It claimed that our planet was in peril from a vast
new American particle accelerator on Long Island, the Relativistic Heavy Ion
Collider (RHIC), which will collide pairs of gold nuclei at high energies.
According to the article, RHIC could trigger a catastrophic event: the
creation of a black hole or a ravenous "strangelet" that could swallow up our
entire planet.

Within 24 hours, the laboratory issued a rebuttal: the risk of such a
catastrophe was essentially zero. The Brookhaven National Laboratory that runs
the collider had set up an international committee of experts to check out
this terrifying possibility. But BNL director John Marburger, insisted that
the risks had already been worked out. He formed the committee simply to say
why they are so confident the Earth is safe, and put their arguments on the
Web to be read by a relieved public.

Even so, many people will be stunned to learn that physicists felt worried
enough even to mull over the possibility that a new machine might destroy us
all.

In fact, they've been fretting about it for over 50 years. The first physicist
to get the collywobbles was Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb. In
July 1942, he was one of a small group of theorists invited to a secret
meeting at the University of California, Berkeley, to sketch out the design of
a practical atomic bomb. Teller, who was studying the reactions that take
place in a nuclear explosion, stunned his colleagues by suggesting that the
colossal temperatures generated might ignite the Earth's atmosphere.

While some of his colleagues immediately dismissed the threat as nonsense, J.
Robert Oppenheimer, director of the Manhattan Project, set up to build the
atom bomb, took it seriously enough to demand a study. The report, codenamed
LA-602, was made public only in February 1973. It concentrated on the only
plausible reaction for destroying the Earth, fusion between nuclei of
nitrogen-14. The report confirmed what the sceptics had insisted all along:
the nuclear fireball cools down too far quickly to trigger a self-sustaining
fire in the atmosphere.

Yet in November 1975, The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists claimed that
Arthur Compton, a leading member of the Manhattan Project, had said that there
really was a risk of igniting the atmosphere. It turned out to be a case of
Chinese whispers: Compton had mentioned the calculation during an interview
with the American writer Pearl Buck, who had got the wrong end of the stick.

Even so, the Los Alamos study is a watershed in the history of science, for it
marks the first time scientists took seriously the risk that they might
accidentally blow us all up. The issue keeps raising its ugly head.

In recent years the main focus of fear has been the giant machines used by
particle physicists. Could the violent collisions inside such a machine create
something nasty? "Every time a new machine has been built at CERN," says
physicist Alvaro de Rujula, "the question has been posed and faced."

One of the most nightmarish scenarios is destruction by black hole. Black
holes are bottomless pits with an insatiable appetite for anything and
everything. If a tiny black hole popped into existence in RHIC, the story
goes, it would burrow down from Long Island to the centre of the Earth and eat
our planet--or blow it apart with all the energy released. So why are
physicists convinced that there's no chance of this happening?

Well, the smallest possible black hole is around 10-35 metres across (the
so-called Planck Length). Anything smaller just gets wiped out by the quantum
fluctuations in space-time around it. But even such a tiny black hole would
weigh around 10 micrograms--about the same as a speck of dust. To create
objects with so much mass by collisions in a particle accelerator demands
energies of 1019 giga-electronvolts, so the most powerful existing collider is
ten million billion times too feeble to make a black hole. Scaling up today's
technology, we would need an accelerator as big as the Galaxy to do it.

And even then, the resulting black hole wouldn't be big enough to swallow the
Earth. Such a tiny black hole would evaporate in 10-42 seconds in a blast of
Hawking radiation, a process discovered by Stephen Hawking in the 1970s. To
last long enough even to begin sucking in matt

[CTRL] Truth or Not the Truth

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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>From intellectualcapital.com
http://intellectualcapital.com/issues/issue284/item6183.asp

> Truth, Justice and the American Way
> by Pete du Pont
> Thursday, August 26, 1999
> Comments: 89 posts 
>
> For decades, the Chinese government has
> been lying about the weather. The China Youth Daily reports that
> the government does not want people to realize that hot weather
> and suffocating air pollution are deteriorating the quality of
> life in Chinese cities. So for more than 30 years -- until last
> month -- the government never has reported a temperature higher
> than 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit.
>
> One’s immediate reaction is smugness. How could those crazy
> communists think they could get away with something as
> transparent as lying about the weather? And if they lie about the
> temperature …
>
> Lying from the top down
>
> But in America we have liars in high places, too. The federal
> judge in Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit against President
> Clinton found that Clinton gave “false, misleading and evasive
> answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process,” and
> fined him $90,000 because he “deliberately violated this court’s
> discovery orders, thereby undermining the integrity of the
> judicial system.” (For which the American Bar Association
> rewarded him in the same week with an invitation to address its
> annual meeting. Nice timing, sort of a retrospective aiding and
> abetting of perjury by the organization supposedly dedicated to
> supporting the rule of law.)
>
>  things? > Could a government that lies about sex lie about other
> things? The president also lied to us when he said, “I did not
> have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.” Could it
> be that a government that lies about sex also could lie about
> other things as well? Sort of like the Chinese government does?
>
> Read on, and see for yourself.
>
> Item: The July 24 New York Times reported in a front-page story
> that at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, an arm of the Energy
> Department, scientific work tying cancer to electric power cables
> was fabricated in order to gain additional grants. You may recall
> that some years ago the power line/cancer link caused furor among
> the Luddites: The evil industrialists were at it at it again,
> inflicting cancer on unsuspecting citizens. More than a billion
> dollars was spent mitigating a non-existent threat created by
> falsifying data.
>
> Item: The Alar scare warned that America’s children were at risk
> every time they ate an apple because, according to CBS’ "60
> minutes," Alar was “the most cancer-causing agent in our food
> supply.” Former Surgeon General Dr. C. Everett Koop concluded
> after studying the data that “the truth is that Alar never did
> pose a health hazard” and that our food supply is safe “just
> because of chemicals like Alar.” The Environmental Protection
> Agency combined with CBS and the Natural Resources Defense
> Council to falsely use Alar as a scare tactic to increase
> government regulation of suspected carcinogens.
>
> Item: Remember the silicone breast-implant hoax. The Food and
> Drug Administration (FDA) banned these implants in 1992. With the
> help of Ralph Nader’s organizations, a gory-but-misleading NBC
> news report and the nation's trial lawyers, some 3,500 lawsuits
> were filed, Dow Corning declared bankruptcy, and the left had
> another science-gone-mad issue. Almost immediately, credible
> medical organizations, from the American Medical Association and
> Harvard University to the Mayo Clinic and the New England Journal
> of Medicine found no basis for silicone-gel breast implants
> causing cancer.
>
> On June 24 this year, the National Academy of Sciences Institute
> of Medicine issued its final congressionally requested report.
> What was the link between the implants and diseases such as lupus
> and cancer? There was none.
>
> Factual manipulation: an American tradition
>
> In the first example, the scientist in the government laboratory
> was lying for financial gain. (Does “it’s only about money” sound
> like a good defense?). In the second, an agency of the government
> combined with private organizations to present false data. In the
> third, the FDA lied about breast implants causing disease.
>
> Unfortunately, it does not stop there. Accepted prevarication at
> the top encourages misinterpretation further down the liberal
> food chain. Public broadcasting stations swearing they are
> unbiased presenters of information while as a matter of policy
> trading fund-raising lists with the Democratic Party, for
> example.
>
> Or the Death Penalty Information Center, a private advocacy
> group, releasing the conclusions of a study without the
> supporting data, purportedly showing that in Philadelphia black
> murderers are four times as likely as whites to receive the death
> penalty. In truth, blacks received a death-penalty sentence 18%
> of the time, whites 13% -- hardly four times --

[CTRL] [4a] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus & Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[4a]--
CHAPTER 17

REHEARSAL IN ANGOLA

Most of the Western histories of Israeli intelligence are quite negative. The
book Dangerous Liaison, for example, portrays the Mossad as a group of
gunrunning maniacs, shipping arms to Africa and Latin America for personal
profit. Israeli arms deals have been widely exposed and just as widely
criticized by the media.

Our sources in the Western intelligence community have a slightly different
perspective.[1] In their opinion, the Mossad's arms transfers were quite
small in scope, usually conducted at the behest of other Western nations, and
often were submerged by much larger arms deals by Western intelligence
services that have escaped public attention. Israel is a lightning rod for
the media. Over the years it has become a convenient scapegoat for other
countries' operations.

"The Jews get paid to take the blame for our screw-ups," one former Pentagon
official admitted candidly. "The American Government cannot be seen in public
as propping up violent dictators who torture their own citizens. The Mossad
trains the security teams for America's clients. That is the price of doing
business."[2] According to our sources, a small but significant portion of
U.S. military assistance to Israel is diverted to fund operations of which
Congress would never approve. It is a kickback that Israel must pay to the
Pentagon, State Department, and CIA in return for their support on Capitol
Hill.[3]

Our sources believe that Israel would not get a cent out of Congress were it
not for the support of the military, the defense industry, and the
intelligence community.[4] The myth of the powerful Jewish lobby is,
unfortunately, just a myth, as is the claim that Jews dominate the American
media. At 6 percent of the population, Jews are one of the tiniest minorities
in the United States. Half of all American Jews live in the New YorkNew
Jersey area and another group is concentrated on the southeast coast of
Florida. All the rest of the states have less than 3 percent of Jewish
voters. Jews account for less than 1 percent of the population in 80 percent
of the U.S. congressional districts. They just lack the votes to get a
foreign aid bill through on their own. They need help.[5]

Many Israelis privately fear that their country has become an eco- nomic
colony of the American "military industrial complex." Annually that complex
contributes $3.8 billion to Israel-almost ten times the amount raised by the
United Jewish Appeal in the United States. "When 20 percent. of our nation's
budget depends on American largesse, we do as the Americans ask," said one
retired Israeli officer. Whether it is training security forces for an
African dictator or running guns to the Contras, the Jews do what they are
told to do.[6]

In fairness, the Israeli involvement in under-the-table arms and covert
operations is relatively small. Jews are small-time players in the world of
international arms sales. When it comes to covert operations, the Mossad is
almost insignificant compared to the American intelligence community. When
compared to the British secret service, the Jews are Boy Scouts.

For the really dirty tricks, heavy-duty arms deals, and outrageously illegal
covert operations, the Americans turn to Britain, not Israel. The British
government has the most repressive combination of libel laws, press
censorship, and criminal sanctions against disclosing intelligence operations
of any country in the democratic world. It knows how to keep a secret from
its own press, public, and Parliament. More important, it knows how to shift
the blame to others when an operation is exposed.

While Israel has been roundly criticized for training Africans how to kill,
smuggling guns to the Contras, and shipping arms to Iran, the British secret
service was doing much worse, much earlier, and in complete secrecy. The
Western public has no idea that the Jews were set up to take the blame for a
series of British operations. To this day, the Israeli public believes that
its intelligence service originated the Iran-Contra affair in 1985. They have
never been told that the British secret service was running the arms pipeline
several years earlier, at the request of Vice President George Bush.

To understand just how thoroughly the Jews were conned into taking the blame
for recent covert intelligence scandals, we must examine how the British-Bush
back-channel evolved. According to our sources, we must look back to Bush's
largest covert operation as CIA director: the Angolan civil war.

In fact, the Angolan war was the beginning of a web of scandals that is known
by a number of names: Irangate, the Iran-Contra Affair, and the BCCI.
Compared to this, the CIA's phony oil estimates in 1976 were only a minor
fraud and had a very minor impact on Israel. In 

[CTRL] WHO Report on World Diseases 1999

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://www.who.org/infectious-disease-report/pages/textonly.html
World Health Organization Report on Infectious Diseases

REMOVING OBSTACLES TO HEALTHY DEVELOPMENT


CONTENTS

BURDEN OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES
The biggest killer of the young
Six diseases cause 90% of infectious disease deaths
Infectious diseases are also among the biggest disablers

AFFORDABLE TO PREVENT
Avoidable at a low cost
Controllable in any country
The end of the line for some infectious diseases?

INADEQUATE RESPONSE
Investing in healthy development
Many countries do not yet use WHO recommended policies
Many factors contribute to the spread of infectious diseases

UNCERTAIN FUTURE
Diseases continue to catch the world off guard
Near misses
Medicines are losing their effectiveness
The world is becoming a smaller place for microbes

STAYING PREPARED
Development of new drugs and vaccines
The need for intensified research

A CALL FOR HEALTHY DEVELOPMENT
By Dr Gro Harlem Brundtland

Table 1: Priority steps for overcoming the burden of infectious diseases

Notes: 1. Throughout this report, the term "infectious disease" is used to
refer to all communicable diseases, including parasitic and zoonotic diseases,
and some forms of respiratory infections and diarrhoeal diseases. 2 $ refers
to US dollars. 3. The term "billion" is used to mean a thousand million.



1.1 THE BIGGEST KILLER OF THE YOUNG

An infectious disease crisis of global proportions is today threatening
hard-won gains in health and life expectancy. Infectious diseases are now the
world's biggest killer of children and young adults. They account for more
than 13 million deaths a year - one in two deaths in developing countries.
Over the next hour alone, 1 500 people will die from an infectious disease -
over half of them children under five. Of the rest, most will be working-age
adults - many of them breadwinners and parents. Both are vital age groups that
countries can ill afford to lose.
Most deaths from infectious diseases occur in developing countries - the
countries with the least money to spend on health care. In developing
countries, about one third of the population - 1.3 billion people - live on
incomes of less than $1 a day. Almost one in three children are malnourished.
One in five are not fully immunized by their first birthday. And over one
third of the world's population lack access to essential drugs. Against this
backdrop of poverty and neglect it is little wonder that deadly infectious
diseases have been allowed to gain ground. Today some of the poorest countries
are paying a heavy price for the world's complacency and neglect.
All this has been made worse by the huge increase in mass population movements
over the past decade. In 1996, as many as 50 million people - 1% of the
world's population - had been uprooted from their homes. Not only are refugees
and displaced people especially vulnerable to infectious disease; their
movement can help spread infectious diseases into new areas.
Meanwhile, the growth of densely populated cities with unsafe water, poor
sanitation and widespread poverty has created the perfect breeding ground for
outbreaks of disease. In deprived inner-city areas children are less likely to
be immunized against killer diseases and parents are less likely to be able to
pay for health care when they get sick. Under these circumstances, diseases
that were once under control can rapidly gain a foothold and re-establish
themselves.
In addition, many diseases once thought unrelated to infectious diseases -
especially cancers - are now known to be the result of chronic infections.
Cervical cancer, for example - one of the most common cancers among women in
the developing world - is now known to be associated with human papillomavirus
infection. Meanwhile, chronic infectious hepatitis B and hepatitis C can both
cause liver cancer and it is estimated that over 6% of the world's population
is at risk. And bladder cancer can result from chronic infection with
schistosomiasis.
But infectious diseases are not just a developing country problem. Unless
checked, the crisis threatens the industrialized countries as well. Old
scourges such as tuberculosis and diphtheria have occurred in explosive
epidemics in Europe and other industrialized countries. And a 1996 outbreak of
polio in Albania, Greece and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia showed how
easily a disease can be reintroduced to countries once free of the disease if
immunization coverage is allowed to drop. A rapid increase in air travel has
meant that diseases can now be transported from one continent to another in a
matter of hours. Even today, no country is safe from the threat of infectious
diseases.
This is happening at a time when the arsenal of drugs available to treat
infectious diseases is being progressively depleted due to increasing
resistance of microbes to antimicrobial drugs.
Because the scale and complexity of the infectious disease crisis is so great,
and the causes link

[CTRL] [4b] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus & Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[4b]--

The British secret service had no choice other than to accept this situation.
Aspin and Banks had connections at the highest levels of American
intelligence. More established and "well connected" British security firms
were shouldered aside. Apparently, Aspin had told Bush too much. Aspin and
Banks had the CIA contract for Angola, and there was nothing the British
government could do about it.[54]

Banks enlisted the help of a friend in Special Branch, and at least four
members of the Aspin-Banks private army were members of the British secret
service.[55] But all in all, Aspin's mercenaries were a motley crew. The
first group of mercenaries were pulled out shortly after President Ford
terminated all CIA operations in Angola except for intelligence gathering.
Nothing, however, precluded a British citizen like Aspin from recruiting
replacements. By summertime, Aspin's forces would be the only Western army
left in Angola. The anti-Communist Angolans were getting nervous.

Despite the Congressional ban, there were continued promises of American
support. George Bush still had a few million dollars left in the CIA slush
fund for contingencies, some of which was promised to the Angolans. Henry
Kissinger told them to keep fighting no matter what Congress said and, within
days of the ban, gave promises of aid to Jonas Savimbi's UNITA.[56] It was
Leslie Aspin who stayed on the ground in Zaire, coordinating the war across
the border. Before the Americans pulled out, he made at least one close
friend from the American contingent, a young officer named Bill Buckley, who
had been detached to the CIA from Special Forces, the U.S. army's elite Green
Beret units, which specialize in psychological warfare and counterinsurgency.
The two men forged a link that led them to work together on other
under-the-table operations.[57]

As will be seen in Chapter 18, it was to be a fateful connection for the
secret espionage war against Israel. Aspin and Buckley were two of a kind:
ex-commandos, full of fun and energy, and willing to cut a few corners for
the sake of the mission. According to our sources, what endeared the pair to
the CIA was their disdain for bureaucratic niceties and their willingness to
bend the law a little to get the job done.[58]

Officially, George Bush was telling the regular staff of the CIA that they
had to obey the congressional ban and pull out of Angola. Unofficially, of
course, the CIA and Kissinger were telling the Angolans to keep on fighting.
Over the next year the mercenaries of the British secret service kept the
Angolan guerrillas afloat. By 1977, when Carter was sworn in as U.S.
president, Aspin's back-channel was well established. He had made the
under-the-table link between Bush and the British and South African
governments. Aspin's South African mercenary friends continued the major part
of the program, with the covert support of at least one oil company.[59]


It does not take a genius to figure out why an oil company was paying for
mercenaries after the CIA pulled out. Several U.S. oil companies had
multimillion-dollar investments in the oil-rich Cabinda region of Angola,
which they did not want to see in Communist hands. The irony is that the
Communist Angolan Government quickly pledged that the American oil companies
would be safe from nationalization and would continue to make healthy profits
in Angola. Obviously, no one believed this pledge.

That, say OUT intelligence sources, was what the war was really about: As in
the Middle East, the key was American oil rights.[60] Aspin's army eventually
achieved its victory at the negotiating table, and the British mercenary
troops eventually were called home, leaving the South Africans to launch
token resistance raids. Everybody at the CIA, including Buckley, got medals.
Aspin got a new job, as the unofficial British bagman for American covert
operations hidden from Congress.[61]

As we shall see, Aspin was one of the first arms traders to open an account
in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, which played such an
important part in the secret espionage war against the Jews in the twelve
years when George Bush was vice president and then president.[62] It is no
coincidence that Aspin went back to work on joint British-American money
laundering just as U.S. intelligence was closing down one of the wildest, and
most illegal, money-laundering schemes in American history: the Ed Wilson
Affair.

The following version of events was told to us by an extremely reliable CIA
official with in-depth knowledge of the Wilson case and then confirmed by
other sources.[63] In 1971 Ed Wilson had been fired from the CIA and promptly
hired by a Naval Intelligence-National Security Agency joint operation known
as Task Force 157. The NSA was involved in this operation 

Re: [CTRL] Nixon and Watergate Bibliography

1999-08-27 Thread ASu2431426

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K

has anyone checked S&B list against this biblio?

there is a link in the Kennedy assassination.

Why not include ASE on the list, ? it might spark some work.


Your package will go out tomorrow.. I got enough info for you to describe one
rig, owned by Bush in detail,  including names of CIA personnel.on board.


T

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[CTRL] [3] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus & Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -  first edition
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[3]--
CHAPTER 16

THE MEXICAN CONNECTION

The history books say that George Bush was a war hero, a Texas entrepreneur,
then a senior figure in several Republican administrations. As president, he
worked for a kinder, gentler nation. Our sources in the intelligence
community said that the American public knows more about Kurt Waldheim's
background than they do about President Bush's. George was himself one of the
"old spies."[1]

The American voters who read Bush's 1987 autobiography, Looking Forward,
certainly would have had no idea about many of the seamier sides to his
family background, his business and espionage activities, and his political
career. It was a thoroughly sanitized version of history. But does that make
him a bad man?

According to a recent history, Spider's Web, by Alan Friedman, George Bush
was certainly a devious man. The American arms sales to Egypt and Saudi
Arabia begun by Carter were illegally diverted to Iraq soon after Reagan and
Bush took office. Once American arms started going to the Arabs, only a few
regimes, such as Gadhafi's Libya, could not obtain shipments. It was Bush
himself who arranged the financing, established the policy, and created the
covert arms network that backed Saddam Hussein .[2]

As discussed in the last chapter, when Bush was director of the CIA in the
1970s, the Agency published false oil data to justify the arming of the Arab
nations. After Bush returned to office in the 1980s, his arms-for-oil agenda
became clear. According to Friedman's analysis of CIA files, U.S. purchases
of Iraqi oil increased twelvefold to over 1 million barrels a day, which
helped finance Iraq's war machine .[3]

>From the beginning, Bush's policy was clearly tilted toward the Arabs and
away from Israel. In 1981, when the Israelis destroyed Saddam Hussein's
nuclear reactor at Osirak, Bush was the first world leader to say that Israel
needed to be punished.[4] Even after Iraq turned American weapons against
Israel in the Gulf War in 1991, Bush refused to permit Israeli pilots to
defend their country for fear it would irritate the other Arab nations. The
Israeli intelligence officers we spoke to regard Bush as their most vicious
American opponent since Allen Dulles.[5]

 There is, however, no consensus among the Western intelligence com-munity.
Some of our sources agree with the Israelis that George Bush was the last,
and the worst, of the Dulles clique that brought the CIA into discredit.[6]
Others say that George Bush is a good man with bad friends. His only major
character flaw was an excessive personal loyalty to friends and family. Bush
himself was ignorant of the plotting that went on around him.[7]

Although it is true that your friends will do you more damage than your
enemies, at some point Bush's defense of ignorance wears a bit thin. A joke
going around during the Iran-Contra scandal said that "The two biggest lies
in Washington are that Ronald Reagan was in the loop and George Bush was out
of it." Because of the importance of Bush's role in the history of covert
operations against Israel, we discuss his background in some detail. It is a
history that has never been revealed fully before.

In this chapter we consider the following allegations:

o   Bush's father and grandfather worked with Allen Dulles to finance the
Third Reich and then, when war broke out, cloaked their activities under the
cover of intelligence operations.

o   George Bush established an oil leasing business in Texas, the biggest
client of which was Edwin Pauley, Dulles's confidant, Nixon's bagman, and a
front man for CIA money laundering. Bush himself played a minor role in CIA
covert operations from the early 1960s.

o   Through Pauley, Nixon recruited Bush to handle a variety of sensitive
assignments. Bush later asked Nixon to resign for fear that the Watergate
investigations might uncover further scandals.

o   While not anti-Semitic, Bush was definitely anti-Israeli and pro-Arab, a
bias that colored American oil and arms policy in the Middle East.

The real story of George Bush starts well before he launched his own career.
It goes back to the 1920s, when the Dulles brothers and the other pirates of
Wall Street were first making their deals with the Nazis. To understand
Bush's role as a senior official of the Republican party, as head of the CIA,
as U.S. vice president, and then, ultimately, in the White House, it is
important to trace the Bush family roots right back to the beginning of the
secret espionage war against the Jews.

Bush's family, say many of the former intelligence officers we interviewed
for this chapter, was nothing to be proud of. The family, and especially his
grandfather and father, dragged him into some dirty business, and he stayed
with it too long, trying to make a bad thing g

[CTRL] [2] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus & Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[2]--

PART III

The Age of Stupidity  -  1974-1992

Many readers will be surprised that there is a third section of this book.
They might believe that the secret war against the Jews petered out with the
Yom Kippur War in 1973 and ended with Angleton’s retirement in 1974. Any
reasonable person might expect that the peculiar combination of bigotry and
greed that gave momentum to previous anti-Semitic operations could never be
repeated in these modern times.

 We understand the argument that Westem civilization has progressed too
far to tolerate another devious bigot like Jack Philby. The courts and
legislatures would not perrnit another greedy manipulator like Allen DuLles
to arise. The press and public scrutiny would never again permit Israel to be
endangered for the sake of oil. Our nations have outgrown their fathers'
secret sins. The "old spies" belong to another age.

 After all, the old order has crumbled away Jimmy Carter, Menachim Begin,
and Anwar Sadat signed the Carnp David Accords, the Berlin Wall came down,
the Soviet Union has been overthrown from within, the United Nations smashed
Saddam Hussein, and peacekeepers are trying for the first time to intervene
in places such as Bosnia-Hercegovenia and Somalia. Even the Israelis and the
Palestine Liberation Organization are shaking hands and slowly learning to
live together. The wars are over everywhere. The world has changed. We have
learned that what is past is not always prologue. We have learned to let the
Jews live in peace.

 Our sources in the intelligence community say that we have learned
nothing and that nothing has changed except the levels of secrecy. Every evil
thing that happened behind the scenes in the Holocaust and the Cold War
happened again recently. The secret espionage war against the Jews continued.
It was just better concealed, that's all. Like a great stage shrouded in
darkness, the play went on with new characters playing the same parts, acting
out the same scenes. Only the names on the playbill are different.

 Thirty years later Jimmy Carter played the part of the naive but honest
President Truman. Neither man knew that he was not in control of his own
government, let alone the intelligence community. Just as the Vessel fraud
deceived Truman in the 1940s, the “disappearing oil scam” completely conned
the Carter White House in the 1970s. It was virtually the same trick, only
the victims had changed.

 Ronald Reagan recently revived the part of President Eisenhower. Both
were affable grandfathers, beloved by the general public. Both were elderly
men with serious health problems who took long naps and paid more attention
to outdoor recreation than the affairs of state. Both relied on unscrupulous
aides to make their policy for them. Both claimed ''plausible deniabiLity''
and shifted the blame when caught in a lie. Both were gifted liars, who paid
smiling lip service to Israel while aiding its Arab enemies.

 James Baker played the part of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles.
Both were anti-lsraeli; both secretly sent arms and money to appease
Jew-hating dictators; both were surprised when the dictators declared war on
Israel. Saddam Hussein of Iraq and President Hafe Assad of Syria alternately
played the part of Hitler.

 The part of CIA chief Allen Dulles, was played by his own protege, Bill
Casey, a genial crook witlh no sense of personal morality or national
principles. Both used the intelligence services for personal profit and for
the benefit of the oil companies. Both. used the British secret service to
hide illegal operations from Congress. Dulles put the Nazis on the payroll;
Casey hired Arab terrorists. Both had "useful idiots" who did their bidding.

 In Dulles's day, Frank Wisner played the part of loyal buffoon and
private spy. In Casey's day, it was Oliver North. Both were narrow-minded
patriots who hated bigotry but elevated stupidity to an art form. Both ran
secret offices outside the normal channels of govermnent, without any
supervision or screening of their agents. Wisner hired Nazis who turned out
to be Communist agents. North hired a PLO terrorist who tumed out to be a
Communist agent. Wisner killed himself when he realized what he had done.
North may be too unaware ever to understand how much harm he has caused to
the United States and Israel.

 Caspar Weinberger re-created the role of Secretary of DefenseJames
Forrestal. Both were anti-lsraeli, pro-Arab, hard-nosed businessmen,
determined to make the Middle East safe for American oil companies. The
Bechtel Corporation starred as the Bechtel Corporation. The corrupt British.
secret sernce played itself. Same things never change.

 Finally, George Bush played the part of Vice President Nixon, but with
different motivation. Nixon's t

[CTRL] Responding to Bioterrorism: the Role of the Microbiology Laboratory

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://www.asmusa.org/memonly/asmnews/aug99/forum.html

American Society for Microbiology (ASM)

James W. Snyder is Professor of Pathology and Director of Microbiology in the
Department of Pathology, Division of Laboratory Medicine, University of
Louisville School of Medicine and Hospital, Louisville, Ky. He serves on the
ASM Professional Affairs Committee.

Links to Other ASM Pages:

Table of Contents
ASM News Issues
 Responding to Bioterrorism: the Role of the Microbiology Laboratory

The Clinical Microbiology Laboratory will play a critical role in countering
bioterrorism; what is the level of preparedness required to respond to such an
event?

James W. Snyder

Bioterrorism poses a formidable new challenge to the clinical microbiology
laboratory. The detection and recognition of the agents predicted to be used
in acts of terrorism will, without a doubt, challenge the capacity and
capability of many clinical microbiology laboratories in obtaining as much
information as is possible in the shortest period of time. For example, the
detection of Bacillus anthracis, the agent of anthrax, is not complex and its
recovery in blood cultures during the active pneumonic form of the disease is
common. However, most laboratories, when encountering Bacillus spp. in blood
cultures, commonly regard such isolates as contaminants and do not pursue
further identification or consider the possibility of the isolate being B.
anthracis. Even greater problems would occur for viruses and toxins which are
not normally examined for in the clinical microbiology laboratory. There is a
significant need for reagents and rapid detection procedures for the detection
of such agents.

The role that the clinical microbiology laboratory will play is of great
importance to the frontline clinicians and emergency personnel who are
dependent upon this information for guiding therapy, assessing the need for
decontamination and isolation of patients, instituting preventive measures,
and maintaining a safe environment. Its major responsibility will be to
detect, recover, and identify the etiological agent.

Three scenarios have been identified that will require the involvement of the
clinical microbiology laboratory: 1) an overt act of bioterrorism in which the
Federal Bureau of Investigation would request the assistance of the local
microbiology laboratory to provide a preliminary analysis of an environmental
sample suspected of containing a biological agent; 2) a covert act leading to
a disease outbreak during the early stages of which the laboratory would
receive samples from patients exhibiting varying disease etiologies and apply
routine diagnostic procedures that are not targeted to the detection of
biothreat agents; 3) a confrmed outbreak (late stage), in which specimens
would be received from patients who are suspected of having been exposed to a
biological agent and the laboratory would be requested to identify the
specific agent.

Due to the disparity in expertise and levels of diagnostic capabilities that
exist among clinical microbiology laboratories throughout the United States,
strategies for dealing with biological agents must be identified and directed
to increasing the capacity of the laboratory in countering bioterrorism. Such
strategies should not be strictly focused on the laboratory but rather
developed and designed as part of a total plan to facilitate integration with
surveillance and epidemiology programs, and most importantly, communication
between laboratories. These and other related issues were addressed at the
recent Partnership Meeting on Responding to Bioterrorism convened by the
Center for Infectious Diseases and held at the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.

The current assessment is that most clinical microbiology laboratories do not
possess the capacity or the expertise to detect and accurately identify those
biological agents classified as high priority, namely the agents causing
anthrax, brucellosis, botulism, cholera, plague, and smallpox. Several reasons
can be identified to account for this lack of capacity and expertise: (1)
restriction of the level of service to the recovery and identification of
bacteria and not the detection of toxins and viruses; (2) the lack of a
biosafety level III facility for the handling of biological agents in many
laboratories; (3) the dilution of the pool of microbiologists who are trained
in classical microbiology; (4) the outsourcing of microbiology tests by some
facilities which thus are in no position to respond to a bioterrorist act; (5)
the lack of reliable and rapid diagnostic tests and culture media for the
detection and recovery of the targeted biological agents; (6) the lack of
communication between laboratories, resulting in failure to notify other
laboratories within the local or regional area that a bioterrorist act has
occurred or to supply information regarding the suspected agent; and (7) the
unwillingness of some 

[CTRL] [1] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus & Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps - first edition
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
-

 Whatsoever ye shall do
unto the least of men . . .
So shall ye do
also unto me

   —Jesus of Nazareth, called by the Romans
 "King of theJews," circa A.D. 32

  Fuck theJews . . .
   they won't
   vote for us anyway.

—The Honorable James Baker, Secretary of State,
 United States of America, circa A.D. 1992


 INTRODUCTION
THE SECRET WAR AGAINST THE JEWS

The major powers of the world have repeatedly planned covert operations to
bring about the partial or total destruction of Israel. Long before there
even was a Jewish state in Palestine, Western spies already were out to wreck
the Zionist dream. The savage extent of the secret wars against the Jews will
horrify the Western public. This chapter of espionage history, beginning in
the 1920s, and continuing to the present day, has never been revealed before.
Half a world away from Israel, a sleepy suburban community hides one of
the secret entrances to the underworld of espionage. Most, but not all, of
the classified archives of the U.S. government are in Suitland, Maryland,
just outside Washington,D.C. The Suitland complex contains several restricted
access buildings, including the one where Jonathan Pollard worked for Naval
Intelligence, before he was discovered to be an Israeli spy.
Across from the Naval Intelligence facility with its geodesic radar domes
is a one-story brick warehouse, built as a storage annex for the National
Archives. This is where the government's secrets are buried, literally. Only
the top floor shows above ground. It is a long, low building, about the
length of a football field, surrounded by wide, well-mowed grassy fields that
yield no clue of what lies beneath.
Anyone can visit the top floor of the facility. It is open to the public.
There is even a shuttle out to the Suitland annex from downtown Wash ington.
The gray government van stops halfway between the White House and the Capitol
on the corner of the imposing main Archives building on Pennsylvania Avenue,
in front of the motto carved in stone: "What is past is prologue."
It is chilling to be reminded that history really does repeat itself. The
National Archives hold the records of the Indian wars, the American
Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, World
War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. Most of these records are held in
storage at Suitland. The original documents lie in humble gray boxes, on row
after row of dark metal shelves. Here are the orders of generals and rosters
of immigrants. Here are the files of American diplomacy and foreign policy.
The Suitland vaults also contain the records of American espionage and
covert action, the kind of foreign policy that the history books are not
meant to mention. Beneath the public reading rooms on the first floor is
another world. It is entered from a locked elevator that can be operated only
with a coded security card.
In the underworld below, one-third of modern history is still classi
fied. Here are the captured files of the Third Reich, some of which are still
secret half a century later. Here are records of the British secret service,
which no unprivileged British or American citizens are allowed to see. There
are levels and levels of hidden nuances, layers of secrets. After the journey
down, the elevator doors open onto a long, wide underground street stretching
off into the distance, dimly lit by ceiling lights fifty feet overhead.
On either side of the cement street are tall, thick, blast-proof doors,
the kind you see in old-fashioned banks. Some of the heavy steel doors are
open. Small squares of bright light spill out onto the street from the
entrances to the vaults. There are about twenty of these enormous storage
caverns, each approximately an acre in size. It is like the last scene from
the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark.
The aisles of the vaults stretch hundreds of feet away into the darkness.
>From the aisles, rows and rows of shelves stacked with classified files reach
two stories up to the ceiling. The workers scurry about pushing giant
stepladders on wheels as they retrieve the old documents from their slumber.
As you come out of the elevator, the number-six vault on the left belongs
to the National Archives. Just inside the door to this top-secret room are
several plain wooden tables, a small office, and several rows of filing
cabinets. Only a few people from the National Archives staff work here. The
rest are teams of retired spies or reserve officers from one of the military
intelligence agencies on their annual tour of duty. They are reviewing the
old classified files, page by page, to see what can be handed over to the
Archives staff and passed upstairs into the public domain. It is a slow
process,

Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 99-08-27 12:40:55 EDT, Ric Carter writes:

<< Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
 amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
 amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
 campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
 actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.

 This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially
 evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce
 productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage
 in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering.

 Is this a stretch?  Not at all.  The same people who're are Waco
 conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.  The propaganda
 campaigns are well-coordinated, eh?  Think about it.  >>

 Interesting speculation!  My thoughts were that this media frenzy is to
take the heat off Bush Jr. and the cocaine thing.  Istead of a Wag the Dog
scenario it is a Wag the Media ploy.  Could be that the Bush Jr. and the
cocaine dirge will disappear after this.  I would think that Red China's
economy would depend on the US buying their products since nearly everything
for sale is made there except cars.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

1999-08-27 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990827b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No email imploded during the production of this bulletin. That I know of.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# IMPLODING MESSAGES: YOU *HAD* MAIL. Say hello to the newest in über-
  encrypted email. It's so secure it self-destructs after you read it.
  Oh, and there's a US$50k reward for anyone who can decipher the key.
  Fading ink: http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21452.html

# Bank Sent Investors Virus In E-Mail. TOKYO (Reuters) One of Japan's
  biggest banks said it accidentally e-mailed a computer virus to some
  global investors last week, but said no harm was done to the investors'
  or its own computer network systems. Not that they know of, anyway...

: Do you look forward to surprises in your email? Do you prefer email that
bites, explodes, burns, stinks, infects, rots, multiplies, disappears? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scared Ranchers Trade Cattle By Video. BOGOTA (Reuters) Colombian ranchers
  are using videos to trade cattle rather than travel to auctions in the
  countryside and run the risk of being kidnapped by Marxist guerrillas.
  Rational: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-colombia-cattle

# TV To Transmit War In Black And White. BOGOTA (Reuters) Colombian TV will
  stop airing color images of its long-running guerrilla war and instead
  broadcast scenes of political violence in black and white, industry chiefs
  said Thursday. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-media-colombia

: Would you rather kill ranchers, cattle or guerillas? Would you rather see
live or dead cattle, in black-and-white or color, in person or on tape? Can
the images be manipulated by mind-controllers, aliens, robots, me? What for?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 'A FLAW WORSE THAN MELISSA'. A Windows bug permits an attacker to take
  control of an entire PC, and all the owner has to do is open an email
  message. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21459.html

# Swatting Down the Win 98 Bug. A day after significant security issues in
  Windows and ActiveX were shown, companies scrambled to patch and spin.
  LogiEpoxy: http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21456.html

: What's your favorite WinBug? Is it a bug or a feature? Is Windoze a virus?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Tree-Eating Beetle Invades Manhattan. NEW YORK (Reuters) New York City
  seems to be getting hit with catastrophes of biblical proportions this
  summer. First sweltering heat, then drought, then floods that strand
  thousands of people and now a plague of locusts well, tree-eating Asian
  long-horned beetles to be exact. First-born sons are considered at risk
  next: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-beetle-manhattan

: What's your favorite catastrophe of biblical proportions? Have you gener-
ated any catastrophes lately? Who have you afflicted? Why? Is it fun? Where?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Lobster-Cam on the Web. PORTLAND, Maine (AP)  A new Web site is launching
  lobsters into cyberspace. It's based inside an underwater trap at Spruce
  Head, where a camera sends a new photo to http://www.midcoast.com/lobcam/
  every 2 minutes, sometimes showing a caged crustacean poking its antennae
  around or climbing across the lens. The pictures can only be seen during
  the day until a burnt-out light in the trap is fixed. Sounds fishy to me.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560882072-6f0

: What's your favorite crustacean? Do you like to spy on crustaceans? Would
you mind if crustaceans spied on you? Do they crawl around inside your head?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Hippo Hurts Census Official. NAIROBI (Reuters) A hippopotamus seriously
  injured a census official in Kenya's Hell's Gate national park, the latest
  in a spate of accidents hampering the population survey, newspapers
  reported Friday. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-hippo

: Have hippo-controllers teamed with conservatives to thwart census efforts?
How effectively will the US census be disrupted? What animals will be used?

# Killer Bees Kill One, Injure 12:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/990826/09/odd-mexico-bees
# Boy Attacked By Piranha In Canal:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/990826/09/odd-japan-piranha

: Have animals declared war on humans? Have humans declared war on animals?

# Woman Charged With Stomping Mice In Porn Video. LOS ANGELES (Reuters) A
  woman was ordered to stand trial on animal cruelty charges after a judge
  viewed part of a pornographic videotape that showed her apparently stomp-
  ing mice to death. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-crime-mice

: Would you rather stomp mice, attack a census official, or be maimed by
bees and fish? Is bee-squishing pornographic? Have you had sex with a hippo?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Y2K-a-Rama:

# Y2K - Major Pro

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-08-27 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990827c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No lonely cosmonauts were harmed during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Stress makes baby girls likelier. (BBC) People who suffer severe emotional
  stress around the time they conceive a baby are more likely to parent a
  girl: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_431000/431219.stm

: What are the implications of stress-makes-girls? Are population gender im-
balances signs of too much stress? Are you stressed by people, aliens, me?
Do ETs deliberately stress humanity to get the gender mix they prefer? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# GENE THERAPY - A REVOLUTION IN HEALING. In 1990, a 4-year-old girl with a
  form of severe combined immunodeficiency disease (SCID) became the first
  person to undergo gene therapy -- the transplantation of genes into cells
  to treat or even prevent disease in people. Fervor erupted over early gene
  therapy trials: http://cnn.com/HEALTH/mayo/9908/26/gene.therapy/index.html

# 'Scientists started Aids epidemic'. (BBC) A polio vaccine using tissue
  from primates could have been behind the leap made by the human immuno-
  deficiency virus [HIV] from apes and moneys to humans, a new book claims.
  Oops: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_431000/431167.stm

# Scientists develop plague vaccine. LONDON (AP) UK govt scientists have
  developed a vaccine against bubonic plague to help protect military
  troops from biological warfare. The vaccine is in a "particularly
  advanced stage" of development and is ready to be tested on humans.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560882925-6eb

: What's your favorite therapy? Have you developed any therapies lately? Are
there unforseen side-effects? Have you accidentally started a plague? Which?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Water found in meteorite. (BBC)  Scientists have made the first discovery
  of liquid water in a meteorite that fell to Earth over Texas in 1998. Ker-
  splash: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431496.stm

# Scientists examine meteorite water. WASHINGTON (AP) Scientists who cracked
  open a meteorite that fell to earth last year found tiny pockets of briny
  water, providing the first close look at water not originating on earth.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560887782-445

: Are you excited about the discovery of fossilized Reptilioid piss? Will a
superior beer or ale result from this discovery? Are Australians thrilled??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Impressive debut for Chandra. (BBC) The first stunning pictures from the
  new Chandra X-ray observatory are made public. Better eyes than Superman:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431168.st

@ Image: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9908/26/chandra.01/cassiopeia.large.jpg
@ Sites: Chandra X-ray telescope: http://www.xraytelescope.com/
@ Harvard-Smithsonian Chandra Center: http://chandra.harvard.edu/
@ NASA Chandra X-ray Observatory News: http://chandra.nasa.gov/

# FIRST CHANDRA IMAGES SHOW STELLAR EXPLOSION, X-RAY JET. A gigantic stellar
  explosion with maybe a neutron star or black hole at its center is one of
  the first crisp offerings of NASA's newest space telescope. Another image
  shows a powerful X-ray jet blasting 200,000 light years into intergalactic
  space from a distant quasar. The images prove NASA's $1.5 billion Chandra
  X-ray Observatory is in excellent health, its instruments and optics
  performing well.  http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9908/26/chandra.01/index.html

: What're your favorite XRays, black holes, neutron stars? Do you have pix?
Did you XRay a Reptilioid lately? What are they like inside? Are they hot??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Mir cosmonauts in final checks. (BBC) The crew of Russia's Mir space
  station are spending their last day on board the ageing craft before
  leaving it to fly unmanned around the Earth, engines sputtering.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431119.stm

# Farewell to Mir. (BBC) Looking back over 14 eventful years of the Mir:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431556.stm
# Sharman Reflects. Briton Helen Sharman recalls her flight to Mir in 1991.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431039.stm
# Mir: A timeline. Mir was supposed to remain in space for just five years.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_62000/62716.stm

: Will you miss Mir? Will Mir miss you? Where will it crash? Will it be hij-
acked? Who'll steal Mir? What will they do with it? D'ya wanna run Mir? Is
it a good platform for beaming mind-control rays at Earth? Is it cozy? Yah?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Waco-A-Rama:

# FBI/Waco: http://www.apbonline.com/911/1999/08/25/fbi0825_01.html
@ Waco Burns: http://www.kreative.net/carolmoo

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