[CTRL] New interviews with Noam Chomsky (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- NEW FROM SOUTH END PRESS! Propaganda and the Public Mind: Conversations with Noam Chomsky Interviews with David Barsamian In this new collection of interviews with David Barsamian, Noam Chomsky interrogates the institutions that shape the public mind in the service of power and profit. Whether discussing U.S. military escalation in Colombia, the attack on Social Security, the rise of HMOs, or growing inequality worldwide, Chomsky shows how ordinary citizens have the power to make meaningful change. Noam Chomsky, described in a 1998 New York Times profile as an exploder of received truths, is Institute Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. David Barsamian is the producer of the award-winning syndicated radio program Alternative Radio. He has published interview books with Eqbal Ahmad, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, and Noam Chomsky. For more information on this title, go to http://www.southendpress.org/books/PAPM.htm To order desk/exam copies, go to http://www.southendpress.org/examform.html To order review copies, go to http://www.southendpress.org/revform.html For more information on Alternative Radio, go to http://www.alternativeradio.org South End Press 7 Brookline Street #1 Cambridge, MA 02139-4146 617-547-4002 phone 617-547-1333 fax E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.southendpress.org A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US plans more troops for Ecuador drugs fight
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] FT: US plans more troops for Ecuador drugs fight To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Subj:FT: US plans more troops for Ecuador drugs fight Date: 6/6/01 8:27:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time From: xx738@prairienet.org (Colombian Labor Monitor) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [NOTE: Vietnamization in spades! Send more troops, send more hardware! -DG] === From Howard Airforce base in Panama, we could get down to Ecuador but not much further south. Now (that) we're in the area the entire time we can venture into Peru, Colombia and over the Pacific Ocean. _ === FINANCIAL TIMES [London] Wednesday, 6 June 2001 US plans more troops for Ecuador drugs fight By Nicholas Moss QUITO, Ecuador -- The US plans to triple the number of troops operating from a base in north-west Ecuador in its fight against the drugs trade in south America. At least 200 mostly air force and navy personnel will be temporarily stationed at the Ecuadorean airforce base in Manta from October after the US completes work to expand the runway. Up to 400 personnel may be stationed there under a ten-year accord with the Ecuadorean government. Until April, when construction work began, an average of 100 troops were flying up to three missions a day in P3 propeller aircraft similar to the spy aircraft at the centre of the recent US-China dispute. Once ABB Susa, a US-based engineering and construction management company, completes the Dollars 30m lengthening of the runway, the US will fly larger, more sophisticated aircraft on reconnaissance missions. Improvements to the airport, including the construction of a fire station, will benefit the fishing town's economy, allowing direct international tourist flights and bigger exports. Manta is one of four forward-operating locations - along with Curacao, Aruba and El Salvador - that form the US's network of anti-drugs bases in the region. The combined operating costs of the four are less than the cost of the base the US closed in Panama when it handed back the canal at the end of 1999. From Howard Airforce base in Panama, we could get down to Ecuador but not much further south. Now (that) we're in the area the entire time we can venture into Peru, Colombia and over the Pacific Ocean, said a US embassy official in Quito. The prospect of more US troops in Ecuador has alarmed some local analysts who said it represents a first step towards an armed US presence in the Andean nation to support Colombia's Dollars 7.5bn anti-drugs initiative, to which the US has promised Dollars 1.3bn in aid. The US refutes this claim. The Manta base would instead allow the US to observe the movements of narco-traffickers and feed the information, via its Joint Interagency Task Force headquarters in Key West, Florida, to relevant government and military authorities in the region, said one official. This isn't Plan Colombia although the flights have a similar goal. Plan Colombia is about trying to uproot drug trafficking and the planting and processing of coca for cocaine (poppies, and marijuana) in Colombia. The Manta base will help prevent the movement out of drugs via boat or small plane, said the embassy official. Ecuador has been approved for Dollars 12m of funding from the US, as part of Plan Colombia, for the police and army on the northern border with Colombia. A further Dollars 8m has been destined for development projects although the country's foreign minister, Heinz Moeller, has said that Ecuador needs more money to counter the impact of spillover problems from its neighbour and the possible settling of uprooted Colombian drug traffickers in Ecuador. Mr Moeller will travel to Washington next week with Udenor, the government's northern border development agency, to lobby for more money. The US has pledged Ecuador Dollars 40m a year during the next five years for development projects. Copyright 2001 The Financial Times Limited * CLM-NEWS is brought to you by the COLOMBIAN LABOR MONITOR at * *http://www.prairienet.org/clm * * and the CHICAGO COLOMBIA COMMITTEE * * Email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or * * Dennis Grammenos at [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To
[CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
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{{Not only has Al Gore Jr. been arrested for pot, he was
driving in North Carolina 90 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. The
Officer contacted the governor and a deal was made and the
Gov. instructed that young Gore was NOT to be tested for drugs
nor alcohol. Discussed on CSpan and various news shows
recently. This in addition to his alcohol episodes in other
areas being hushed up. At least one of the Gore girls has
been arrested for marijuana also but not a word in the
mainstream media. Now they go after these girls like sharks!
Amazing! So does this mean we can now openly discuss Tipper's
'nervous breakdown' and subsequent 'hospitalization'? AKE}}
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Friday, June 8, 2001 5:02 p.m. EDT
Jenna Booze Buster: 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big
Trouble'
With first daughter Jenna Bush in tears, the manager at an
Austin Tex-Mex restaurant who called 911 on her and her twin
sister Barbara told police who responded to the scene: I want
them to get into big trouble, according to a police report on
the incident.
Austin police were summoned to Chuy's Restaurant on the night
of May 29 after manager Mia Lawrence used the police emergency
line to report that the 19-year-old twins were drinking
maragaritas.
According to the police record obtained Friday by the Austin
American-Statesman, Officer Clifford Rogers confiscated the ID
Jenna Bush presented to Chuy's waitstaff before being served.
She handed it over and started crying, the report indicates.
She then stated that I do not have any idea what it is like
to be a college student and not to be able to do anything that
other students get to do, Rogers wrote in his report.
In a separate report, Sgt. Rodney Keene detailed his
conversation with manager Lawrence around the same time.
Lawrence insisted on police action.
She said, 'I want them to get into big trouble,' Sgt. Keene
wrote.
Keene responded that police would handle the situation the
same way we would for any person under those circumstances,
which was to confiscate the fake ID and turn them loose.
Lawrence told detectives investigating the incident that she
wasn't responsible for notifying the media about the Bush
booze bust. She told me that a regular customer named Owen
(no last name available) ... had called the [Austin
American-]Statesman, Detective Mark Gil wrote in his report.
On Friday, Barbara Bush pleaded no contest to charges of
underage drinking, though sister Jenna pleaded not guilty. Her
decision to contest charges that she used fake ID to purchase
alcohol could expose Chuy's management to further scrutiny as
evidence mounts that the Bush twins were singled out.
In another development, the office of Austin's City Attorney
has deferred a decision on whether to release a tape recording
of Lawrence's controversial 911 complaint.
On Thursday the city's Law Department faxed news organizations
around the country, apprising them of its decision to withold
the 911 tape pending the outcome of legal proceedings against
the Bush sisters.
The recording could shed further light on the question of
whether Ms. Lawrence targeted the Bush sisters unfairly.
John Steiner, Division Chief at the City Attorney's office
would not say Friday when a final decision on the 911 tape
would come.
It depends, he told NewsMax.com, suggesting that unless the
Austin prosecutors win criminal convictions in the case, the
tape could be sealed forever.
Jenna's case is scheduled to be heard July 31.
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[CTRL] [Fwd: TIME TO FORM A NEW NATION......]
-> SNETNEWS Mailing List Subj: Time to Form a New Nation Date: 6/8/01 1:38:31 AM Central Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pro Christo Libertate) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (President George W. Bush) Dear Mr. President, The subject of this article is a very grave matter. The paradigm has shifted; it's a new ballgame. Please be advised that many Americans will soon be seeking your support on related proposals, and we will do well to keep these matters in our daily prayers. Thank you, PCL - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23122 - Wednesday June 6, 2001 Consider it Said: Time to Form a New Nation - © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Jane Chastain and Linda Bowles, two of the smartest women and best columnists on the national scene these days, each wrote separate but equally alarming tomes on Tuesday, regarding the progression (or regression, depending on your point of view) of American government over the past several decades. Essentially, each said America today resembles little to nothing of the nation our ancestors founded, then fought and died for - to say nothing of the scores who died defending it since then. A more subtle point made in both articles was this: If we don't like the form modern America has taken, there is little time left for concerned citizens to change its direction, lest it become the kind of socialist, authoritarian hellhole we supposedly despise and - at least once - ideologically opposed. In her column, Chastain, citing data from a new study on the huge growth of federal outlays, spending and bureaucracy since the passage of the 16th Amendment (authorizing an income tax, in 1913), warned, "it is time this nation has a frank and open discussion about the size and cost of government before we reach the point of no return." Meanwhile, Bowles' column, which decried the rapid encroachment of federal control and regulatory authority over private property ownership and rights, mentioned that little debate about this dictatorial phenomenon had taken place, outside of the localized areas where some of the worst abuses were occurring. "One hopes this is due to a lack of coverage by the mainstream media, rather than a fatalistic American submission to state socialism. One fears that only in retrospect, when it is too late to resist, will it be understood that freedoms have been irretrievably forfeited and the Constitution irreversibly abandoned," Bowles wrote. On the 57th anniversary of D-Day, the allied invasion launched during World War II to exterminate the Nazi threat to the world, I think it is more than appropriate to explore the incredible usurpation of federal power in the past several decades and, perhaps most importantly, discuss what we ought to do about it. There are lots of "mini-issues" floating about, but they basically revolve around the general issues of whether our nation, our people, prefer the continued encroachment of state (meaning federal) control over every aspect of our lives, vs. those who don't. In the pro-big government camp are Americans who don't mind sacrificing most of their earnings to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and unresponsive elected officials. They don't mind relying on Washington for a host of taxpayer-funded benefits, and they are agreeable to the notion that personal responsibility and independence should be sacrificed to the power, arbitration and façade of "security" offered by most of our leaders. To them, there is no limit to Washington's power or reach, save for small, specific limits on just a handful of personal liberties. And they view people who oppose these ideals as anachronistic, pinhead extremists who are too dumb and unsophisticated to know what's good for them. On the other side is the small government camp, inhabited by people who believe in our Constitution, verbatim, and who hold personal liberty and responsibility so dear that they dare to expect others to hold similar views. They abhor all but the most limited, specific and narrowly defined forms of taxation because they believe their money belongs to them, and that the federal government only needs enough funding to perform its few, narrowly defined, constitutional duties. These folks hate waste, fraud and abuse, would rather seek a hand-up from a friend or church than a hand-out from the government, and believe Washington has proven it cannot solve our problems, try as it may. They hate regulations, unfunded mandates, interference in personal affairs and subjugation of constitutional liberties. They see the huge growth of the federal government as an impetus towards global imperialism, authoritarianism, and eventual dictatorship. In
[CTRL] URL for Time Warp
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[CTRL] Protestants? We Don't Need No Stinking Protestants
-Caveat Lector- http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/6/52001a.asp Persecution of Evangelicals Continues in Mexico By Allie Martin and Jim Brown June 5, 2001 (AgapePress) - Local authorities in three small towns in different Mexican states are telling evangelical Christians to change their religion to traditional Catholicism or suffer severe consequences. Evangelical Christians who do not renounce their faith are being threatened with jail time, expulsion, the removal of public services such as water and drainage, and even death. In one case, two recent converts were jailed for 36 hours and asked to deny their new evangelical Christian faith. Terry Madison is president of Open Doors, a ministry which tracks the persecution of Christians. He says this is not a new problem. This has been an ongoing challenge in Chiapas, where when people accept the Lord they choose not to participate in some of the local Catholic celebrations, many of which involve posh, which is a locally fermented drink, Madison says. They choose not to participate, which means theyre not buying the candles and the costumes and the fireworks, and some of the other products that some of the local authorities profit by, so theres an economic loss. Madison says things are particularly bad for evangelical Christians in the state of Chiapas. A particular community had 230 evangelicals. Were talking about a large body of Christ, he says. Another had forty Christian church members who were challenged to renounce their evangelical faith and return to Catholicism or they would face having their homes burned and their animals destroyed. In another example of intolerance, The Alabama Baptist newspaper reports Catholic leaders in San Nicolas, Mexico, a town of some 4,000 people, are telling 36 evangelical families they must leave town within 90 days or be kicked out. The paper says the families water and sewer services have been cut off. A San Nicolas spokesperson is quoted as saying, What the town wants is for the evangelicals to stop spreading their religion to more people and to stop having their meeting. Patrick Scully, a spokesman for the Catholic League, said he couldnt comment on the story because he was not aware of the details and also since the persecution is taking place outside the United States. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ...whose wide stripes and bright stars... (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Re: ...whose wide stripes and bright stars... http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2549 James A. Ross wrote: Friend, The title above refers, obviously, to our flag. For many years, in uniform and in civilian clothes, I have saluted its simple, yet elegantly impressive, red, white and blue stars and stripes; and I never fail to be moved by the reminder of the wonderful republic our forefathers created. However, of late I have been disturbed because I now see an imitation which has four colors: red, white, blue, and yellow. I saw this on the wall in The Bush transition room as I watched Linda Chavez withdraw her name from consideration for a cabinet position. When the CEO of a big company showed me his conference room, I asked him whose flag he was displaying; and he responded: My God! That's not our flag! I saw it in the news coverage of Memorial Day services, and I saw it in the news coverage of West Point Cadets passing in review. I wonder why our beloved flag has been treated this way. Has there been a law passed? Is there some presidential executive order? Or is this the result of a trick by someone who insults proud patriots because he KNOWS his design is better that the original? Can anyone explain what is happening? ** This material is intended for only those who have indicated an interest in our offerings. Our lists are composed of people who have requested information from us, and others who have been recommended by them. If you do not wish to receive our periodic emails, just send us a message requesting removal. Regards, Jim Ross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (http://www.rosseng.com) * Ross Engineering Associates, Inc., 8807 Sudley Rd. Ste.204, Manassas, VA 20110 Tel/Fax: 703-365-2200/0363 WE'RE # 1. In the ASIS survey of decision makers in the security profession, this company scored number one in the categories of: which company do you use and which company do you recommend in eavesdropping detection. === [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GET THAT GOLD FRINGE OFF MY FLAG! http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm Flag Code, Etiquette and Laws http://www.outlawslegal.com/organic/flag.htm = Dear Friends of the McGuckins - http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html When McVeigh Dies Will The Government Coverup Die Too? http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2545 Nicely done, Mr. Clinton. You've gotten away with it. Again. http://www.carolontheweb.com/links/jeepers.html American People Witness Judicial Actions of Treason http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2525 FBI Special Agent (SA) R. Wayne Smith Waco Report Dated 6/9/1993 - 6/15/1993 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fbiwaco_doc.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
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A big f*g SO WHAT?!! You are still stuck on Democrats vs.
Republicans. Can't we agree they both do things wrong at times, even as
far as *gasp* breaking the law!
Steve
On 9 Jun 01, at 1:42, Amelia wrote:
{{Not only has Al Gore Jr. been arrested for pot, he was
driving in North Carolina 90 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. The
Officer contacted the governor and a deal was made and the
Gov. instructed that young Gore was NOT to be tested for drugs
nor alcohol. Discussed on CSpan and various news shows
recently. This in addition to his alcohol episodes in other
areas being hushed up. At least one of the Gore girls has
been arrested for marijuana also but not a word in the
mainstream media. Now they go after these girls like sharks!
Amazing! So does this mean we can now openly discuss Tipper's
'nervous breakdown' and subsequent 'hospitalization'? AKE}}
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Friday, June 8, 2001 5:02 p.m. EDT
Jenna Booze Buster: 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big
Trouble'
With first daughter Jenna Bush in tears, the manager at an
Austin Tex-Mex restaurant who called 911 on her and her twin
sister Barbara told police who responded to the scene: I want
them to get into big trouble, according to a police report on
the incident.
Austin police were summoned to Chuy's Restaurant on the night
of May 29 after manager Mia Lawrence used the police emergency
line to report that the 19-year-old twins were drinking
maragaritas.
According to the police record obtained Friday by the Austin
American-Statesman, Officer Clifford Rogers confiscated the ID
Jenna Bush presented to Chuy's waitstaff before being served.
She handed it over and started crying, the report indicates.
She then stated that I do not have any idea what it is like
to be a college student and not to be able to do anything that
other students get to do, Rogers wrote in his report.
In a separate report, Sgt. Rodney Keene detailed his
conversation with manager Lawrence around the same time.
Lawrence insisted on police action.
She said, 'I want them to get into big trouble,' Sgt. Keene
wrote.
Keene responded that police would handle the situation the
same way we would for any person under those circumstances,
which was to confiscate the fake ID and turn them loose.
Lawrence told detectives investigating the incident that she
wasn't responsible for notifying the media about the Bush
booze bust. She told me that a regular customer named Owen
(no last name available) ... had called the [Austin
American-]Statesman, Detective Mark Gil wrote in his report.
On Friday, Barbara Bush pleaded no contest to charges of
underage drinking, though sister Jenna pleaded not guilty. Her
decision to contest charges that she used fake ID to purchase
alcohol could expose Chuy's management to further scrutiny as
evidence mounts that the Bush twins were singled out.
In another development, the office of Austin's City Attorney
has deferred a decision on whether to release a tape recording
of Lawrence's controversial 911 complaint.
On Thursday the city's Law Department faxed news organizations
around the country, apprising them of its decision to withold
the 911 tape pending the outcome of legal proceedings against
the Bush sisters.
The recording could shed further light on the question of
whether Ms. Lawrence targeted the Bush sisters unfairly.
John Steiner, Division Chief at the City Attorney's office
would not say Friday when a final decision on the 911 tape
would come.
It depends, he told NewsMax.com, suggesting that unless the
Austin prosecutors win criminal convictions in the case, the
tape could be sealed forever.
Jenna's case is scheduled to be heard July 31.
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[CTRL] Arthur C. Clarke Stands By His Belief in Life on Mars
-Caveat Lector- Arthur C. Clarke Stands By His Belief in Life on Mars By Leonard David Senior Space Writer posted: 12:25 pm ET 07 June 2001 WASHINGTON -- Noted space visionary and writer, Sir Arthur C. Clarke, believes that new images of Mars clearly show the red planet dotted with patches of vegetation, including trees. Such a find may help spark a far grander space program more aligned with the adventure and exploration portrayed in the epic film, 2001: A Space Odyssey - the collaborative work of both Clarke and director Stanley Kubrick. Clarke spoke last night, June 6, via phone from his home in Sri Lanka as key speaker in the Wernher von Braun Memorial Lecture series held here at the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum. Pouring over images on his home computer taken by the now-orbiting Mars Global Surveyor (MGS), Clarke said that there are signs of vegetation evident in the photos. I'm quite serious when I say have a really good look at these new Mars images, Clarke said. Something is actually moving and changing with the seasons that suggests, at least, vegetation, he said. Clarke repeated several times that he was serious about his observations, pointing out that he sees something akin to Banyan trees in some MGS photos. Science met its match Joining Clarke in last night's lecture was a panel of space authorities, Apollo 17 moonwalker, Eugene Cernan, science fiction writer, Ben Bova, and space historian Fred Ordway. Cernan said that he has concluded there's little difference between science fiction and science fact. He said that the only difference is time, a dimension we know so little about. Standing on the surface of the Moon in sunlight, you are surrounded by the blackest black that you can allow your mind to conceive. Not darkness, but blackness, Cernan said. That view affords a person a face-to-face look at the endlessness of time and the endlessness of space, with Earth moving through that blackness. What you see is infinity, he said. I have looked and focused as far as I can focus on infinity. I can tell you that it literally does exist, Cernan said. Awestruck by the vista from his trek to the Moon, now over a quarter of a century ago, Cernan said that he came to a point where science did not have an explanation for what he saw. It was just too beautiful to have happened by accident. Science met its match, he said. The other things Cernan decried the fact that the country's space exploration agenda today rings hollow compared to the past. What's it going to take to get people to dream again, to realize they can once again do the impossible? Cernan asked. John F. Kennedy said that we plan to go the Moon 'and do those other things' we haven't done the other things yet, he said. Ben Bova said that NASA's program is driven by politics. If there's no political push and no political will, then I think it's going to have to come from the private sector, he said. How to reactivate America's space program to do bold things is the $64 trillion question, Clarke responded by phone. Space tourism may act as a trigger, he said, as could some major discovery, such as new findings on Mars. Ordway said that 2001: A Space Odyssey, and the vision it portrays, came at a time when space was on everybody's agenda, he said. Old and new worlds I think there's a real possibility there may be a propulsion breakthrough, Clarke said. The rocket is going to play the same role in space as the balloon did in aviation. It will be superseded by something much better, he said. Cernan said he remains optimistic about the future of space exploration. In the future, people will not only be living on Mars, they are going to be coming back to see where their forefathers grew up, Cernan said. I think someday they will be talking about the Old World and the New World, and we're going to co-exist together. That's science fiction today, but give us time, he said. Clarke said however, that such a scenario has one problem. I'm afraid the great, great grandchildren won't be very happy back here on Earth at three times normal gravity, Clarke said. ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Fw: The Octopus Conspiracy: Spying on Bank Accounts
-Caveat Lector- The Octopus Conspiracy: Has The U.S. Been Spying On Your Bank Accounts? By Art Kunkin (Editor's Note: Following is an almost unbelievable and yet true story of evil forces in the U.S. government. In the article below, followed by linkages to many web sites where important parts of the story are documented, we have assembled an outline of a political-financial-murder conspiracy that includes a vast international spying operation by the U.S. on the banks and intelligence agencies of most of the other major governments of the world from 1983 to the present. The conspiracy also involves use of the protected legal status of an American Indian reservation in California to carry on illegal activities including chemical and biological weapons production, murders of journalists and attorneys investigating the situation, the development of a big brother computer program that can consolidate the financial records of everyone in the world into one database, and the attempted destruction by the U.S. Department of Justice of a private American computer company which developed this master program. The story involves persons whose names surfaced during the Irangate scandal, the unconstitutional activities of Oliver North and even the Kennedy assassination. The name Octopus has fittingly been given to this conspiracy by one of the murdered journalists. The story is so much like a fictional movie script that major journalists and the mass media, even knowing that there have already been court and congressional hearings about parts of the wrong-doings, have not been willing or capable of fitting the facts together. Nevertheless, there are growing rumors that political forces in the American intelligence community are preparing to publicize some parts of the Octopus conspiracy this Spring in order to influence the presidential elections of 1996 and destroy Clinton. However, partial revelations motivated by partisan political considerations will not educate the public to the fact that this is an Octopus which has the potential of strangling constitutional democracy. This is a story much bigger than Watergate or Irangate or Whitewater and it must be told in as full detail as possible. The World Wide Free Press was alerted to this story when we were sent the transcript of a December 7, 1995 radio interview of James Norman, formerly Senior Editor at Forbes Magazine (now with Media Bypass Magazine) and Jim Quinn of WRRK in Pittsburgh. However, we felt that this interview did not present this complex story in a clear step by step way that can be easily grasped by the general public. Therefore, we felt compelled to write our own account even though we know that what we have written is at best only a first draft that will have to be updated in the coming weeks and months as more facts become known to us. However, with our new ability to provide for the reader immediate Internet linkages to other source material, the limitations of our necessarily brief outline of this incredibly complex story are somewhat overcome. What follows has been assembled from a mass of documentation available on the Internet and stories that have appeared in New York's Village Voice, In These Times, The Napa Valley Sentinel and transcripts of over 30 radio interviews broadcast by courageous journalists on Pacifica radio. We emphasize that it is others who have done the basic research of this story and deserve the credit; we are latecomers who are only synthesizing and compiling and repeating the results of their research. We expect that people reading this story will not know what to do about it and will initially feel even more powerless than before. How can ordinary citizens influence a system of big government capable of allowing and participating in such secret crimes? It is obvious that just electing better people here and there will not stop a far flung conspiracy like this! However, we do believe that it is only by relentless exposure of the gruesome facts of such criminal activities that we will see a day when sufficient numbers of the American people will say that they have had enough and do everything necessary to institute the major changes and reforms needed. We have confidence that the American people will wake up. -- -- Our story begins as a peculiar but seemingly straightforward business conflict between a computer company and a branch of the U.S. government. But hang in there; hidden in the financial details is the Octopus! In the late 70's and the early 80's, a small computer company named the Institute For Law and Social Research (later to be known as INSLAW) developed a computer program called PROMIS (Prosecutors Management Information System). Originally financed by a government grant, this computer program has the ability to integrate many different databases produced by many different computer platforms and
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- Because people like you make asinine statements as you recently did that Chelsea Clinton had no such problems and continue to promote YOUR side of every issue in a totally subjective manner. Why don't you show me how to do this which you propose because I have never seen you budge an inch from your stance that the farther to the left, the better. Bet if I were promoting YOUR viewpoint, you wouldn't be flaming me. You are one of the most biased posters I have ever seen. I left SNET to get away from your intolerance of the opinions of others as did many , many other people and now you think you have a right to inflict that on this list, too. Go bash people on your own list at which you are all too quick at doing. No one is supposed to DARE disagree with L'il Stevie there. Whine, whine, whine. And such language from someone who sometimes makes statements purporting to speak for Christians. Mind your own business, Steve! If you do not like my posts, delete them or mark me as a blocked sender for I assure you that I am NOT posting them for YOUR benefit but rather for someone who might be interested or appreciate the information. Didn't go to the Grand Canyon this weekend?. I was wondering if you hike all the way there and back, wearing all -manmade shoes and eating the local flora along the way in honor of your environmentalist beliefs. Otherwise, it would be very hypocritical to bemoan the energy shortage in California while contributing to the problem. Robert Klein said on a talk show last week he was just there and the waste of energy is appalling. I would think that you would have better things to do with your time than flame other posters but then again, judging from your behavior on SNET, that is your favorite pastime~controlling what others post. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble' -Caveat Lector- A big f*g SO WHAT?!! You are still stuck on Democrats vs. Republicans. Can't we agree they both do things wrong at times, even as far as *gasp* breaking the law! Steve A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector-
My, My, Steve, such ANGER!!!
Kinda hard to express yourself without resorting to . *
No, YOU'RE stuck on the D v R theme - Sure we can agree that
most people do things wrong, the main point is that you folks that
take such glee in the recent mishaps, are FURIOUS when it's
pointed out the the former occupants had wayward children, and the
press buried it.
I guess it's appropriate for ME to ask so what? - why the BIG DEAL
over the 2 breaking the law girls.
How about agreeing the the latest miscreants are getting a lousy deal
from the press, national news, and list R haters, as compared with the
former miscreants? Can we agree on that?
Who called 911 when the D young'uns got into trouble?
Who then called the local newspaper to ENSURE that it would be
spread nationwide?
No one. They were exempt.
Calm down, take a deep breath, no need to go nasty on me, I never
was disrespectful to you. Sorry day when I cannot simply forward
a post without you going ballistic on me.
BB
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Steve Wingate wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
A big f*g SO WHAT?!! You are still stuck on Democrats vs.
Republicans. Can't we agree they both do things wrong at times, even as
far as *gasp* breaking the law!
Steve
On 9 Jun 01, at 1:42, Amelia wrote:
{{Not only has Al Gore Jr. been arrested for pot, he was
driving in North Carolina 90 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. The
Officer contacted the governor and a deal was made and the
Gov. instructed that young Gore was NOT to be tested for drugs
nor alcohol. Discussed on CSpan and various news shows
recently. This in addition to his alcohol episodes in other
areas being hushed up. At least one of the Gore girls has
been arrested for marijuana also but not a word in the
mainstream media. Now they go after these girls like sharks!
Amazing! So does this mean we can now openly discuss Tipper's
'nervous breakdown' and subsequent 'hospitalization'? AKE}}
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Friday, June 8, 2001 5:02 p.m. EDT
Jenna Booze Buster: 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big
Trouble'
With first daughter Jenna Bush in tears, the manager at an
Austin Tex-Mex restaurant who called 911 on her and her twin
sister Barbara told police who responded to the scene: I want
them to get into big trouble, according to a police report on
the incident.
Austin police were summoned to Chuy's Restaurant on the night
of May 29 after manager Mia Lawrence used the police emergency
line to report that the 19-year-old twins were drinking
maragaritas.
According to the police record obtained Friday by the Austin
American-Statesman, Officer Clifford Rogers confiscated the ID
Jenna Bush presented to Chuy's waitstaff before being served.
She handed it over and started crying, the report indicates.
She then stated that I do not have any idea what it is like
to be a college student and not to be able to do anything that
other students get to do, Rogers wrote in his report.
In a separate report, Sgt. Rodney Keene detailed his
conversation with manager Lawrence around the same time.
Lawrence insisted on police action.
She said, 'I want them to get into big trouble,' Sgt. Keene
wrote.
Keene responded that police would handle the situation the
same way we would for any person under those circumstances,
which was to confiscate the fake ID and turn them loose.
Lawrence told detectives investigating the incident that she
wasn't responsible for notifying the media about the Bush
booze bust. She told me that a regular customer named Owen
(no last name available) ... had called the [Austin
American-]Statesman, Detective Mark Gil wrote in his report.
On Friday, Barbara Bush pleaded no contest to charges of
underage drinking, though sister Jenna pleaded not guilty. Her
decision to contest charges that she used fake ID to purchase
alcohol could expose Chuy's management to further scrutiny as
evidence mounts that the Bush twins were singled out.
In another development, the office of Austin's City Attorney
has deferred a decision on whether to release a tape recording
of Lawrence's controversial 911 complaint.
On Thursday the city's Law Department faxed news organizations
around the country, apprising them of its decision to withold
the 911 tape pending the outcome of legal proceedings against
the Bush sisters.
The recording could shed further light on the question of
whether Ms. Lawrence targeted the Bush sisters unfairly.
John Steiner, Division Chief at the City Attorney's office
would not say Friday when a final decision on the 911 tape
would come.
It depends, he told NewsMax.com, suggesting that unless the
Austin prosecutors win criminal convictions in the case, the
tape could be sealed forever.
Jenna's case is scheduled to be
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- Amen, Amelia. Thanks for stating the obvious, and putting it clearly. Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Because people like you make asinine statements as you recently did that Chelsea Clinton had no such problems and continue to promote YOUR side of every issue in a totally subjective manner. Why don't you show me how to do this which you propose because I have never seen you budge an inch from your stance that the farther to the left, the better. Bet if I were promoting YOUR viewpoint, you wouldn't be flaming me. You are one of the most biased posters I have ever seen. I left SNET to get away from your intolerance of the opinions of others as did many , many other people and now you think you have a right to inflict that on this list, too. Go bash people on your own list at which you are all too quick at doing. No one is supposed to DARE disagree with L'il Stevie there. Whine, whine, whine. And such language from someone who sometimes makes statements purporting to speak for Christians. Mind your own business, Steve! If you do not like my posts, delete them or mark me as a blocked sender for I assure you that I am NOT posting them for YOUR benefit but rather for someone who might be interested or appreciate the information. Didn't go to the Grand Canyon this weekend?. I was wondering if you hike all the way there and back, wearing all -manmade shoes and eating the local flora along the way in honor of your environmentalist beliefs. Otherwise, it would be very hypocritical to bemoan the energy shortage in California while contributing to the problem. Robert Klein said on a talk show last week he was just there and the waste of energy is appalling. I would think that you would have better things to do with your time than flame other posters but then again, judging from your behavior on SNET, that is your favorite pastime~controlling what others post. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble' -Caveat Lector- A big f*g SO WHAT?!! You are still stuck on Democrats vs. Republicans. Can't we agree they both do things wrong at times, even as far as *gasp* breaking the law! Steve A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 01, at 3:16, Amelia wrote: Didn't go to the Grand Canyon this weekend?. I was wondering if you hike all the way there and back, wearing all -manmade shoes and eating the local flora along the way in honor of your environmentalist beliefs. That is a silly and meaningless statement to make. Otherwise, it would be very hypocritical to bemoan the energy shortage in California while contributing to the problem. I fart in your face and will do so again after lighting it. What more do you want! Robert Klein said on a talk show last week he was just there and the waste of energy is appalling. That is interesting since many of the stores here are surprisingly dark due to ambient lighting changes based on solar and highly efficient halide vs. fluorescent lights. etc. Most stores have make significant changes you might not realize not living here, Amelia. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 01, at 2:21, BB wrote: Sorry day when I cannot simply forward a post without you going ballistic on me. I was not replying to a post you forwarded, BB, whoever you really are. Get your disinformation straight. ;) Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 01, at 3:16, Amelia wrote: Robert Klein said on a talk show last week he was just there and the waste of energy is appalling. And I just bought some high efficiency fluorescent replacements for my incandescents with a government rebate (evil communist socialism in your opinion, no doubt). Yes we Californians are the top energy conservation state in the nation. Maybe your friend Klein (probably a closet neo-Nazi anyway ;) is like Bush and hates California for voting solidly Democrat. I feel an earthquake coming on better sign off, no it's just HAARP. Steve I would think that you would have better things to do with your time than flame other posters but then again, judging from your behavior on SNET, that is your favorite pastime~controlling what others post. ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] MH: Elián's family can sue the U.S.
-Caveat Lector- Miami Herald-June 8, 2001 Elián's family can sue the U.S. Judge: `Excessive force' a possibility BY JAY WEAVER A federal judge ruled Elián González's Miami relatives can pursue their lawsuit against the U.S. government solely on grounds that gun-wielding agents may have used ``excessive force'' during the April 22, 2000, raid to seize the Cuban boy. U.S. District Judge Shelby Highsmith, citing a Chicago Police case, said ``the Gonzálezes have alleged sufficient facts to support such a claim'' that the government may have violated their constitutional rights. The government was seeking to have the relatives' suit tossed out. Highsmith's ruling was an important tactical victory for Elián's great-uncle Lázaro González, his wife, Angela González, and daughter Marisleysis González. It could pave the way for a trial, though no date has been set. Even though the government obtained a legal warrant for the raid, ``that is not a license for the government to exercise excessive force in executing that warrant,'' the family's Miami attorney, Frank Quintero, said Thursday. ``I think it's a very good ruling for us.'' In his 29-page ruling, Highsmith also allowed Lázaro González to sue former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, former immigration chief Doris Meissner and former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder. Among those dropped from the suit: Betty Mills, the Immigration and Naturalization Service agent who grabbed Elián and carried him to a waiting van, former Miami Police Chief William O'Brien and ex-Assistant Chief John Brooks, who rode along on the raid. But Highsmith, in an order filed with the court late Tuesday, found that the government's arrest and search warrants used to enter the González family's Little Havana home were legal. The reason: The INS revoked the boy's immigration parole more than a week before the raid, and the arrest warrant was for him, not his relatives. The government wanted to reunite the boy with his Cuban father. The judge also found that Reno, Meissner and Holder did not conspire to violate the constitutional rights of Elián's Miami relatives in ordering the raid, as alleged in the lawsuit filed on Sept. 28, 2000. The Gonzálezes' attorney has roughly three weeks to file a new lawsuit that incorporates the judge's decision on the government's dismissal motion. The Gonzálezes are seeking unspecified damages. The U.S. Department of Justice could appeal Highsmith's ruling within two months, holding up any trial. ``We're reviewing the judge's decision and determining our options,'' department spokesman Charles Miller said. In his decision, Highsmith noted that he was ``liberally construing the complaint in favor of the plaintiffs'' on the government's dismissal motion. It did not require a full-blown hearing on the facts in dispute. On the question of alleged excessive force, the judge cited a Chicago appellate case that alleged a city police officer with a search warrant broke down the front door of a suspect's home without prior warning and pointed a gun at his head. Last year, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals concluded the allegations ``were sufficient to state a claim for excessive force under the Fourth Amendment,'' Highsmith wrote in his ruling. In the Gonzálezes' suit, the family claimed the following facts: ``At no time did the federal agents knock on the door, nor did they announce their presence. The federal agents merely approached the plaintiffs' residence with a battering ram and broke down the front door, thereby giving passage to the agents into the residence. ``Once inside the residence, the federal agents sprayed more gas; pointed guns at the occupants, which included children, threatening to shoot; shouted obscenities; and broke doors, furniture and religious artifacts. . . . ``As a federal agent held a large weapon of war pointed at one of the occupants and [6-year-old Elián], Betty A. Mills, an armed INS agent, entered the room with a blanket and seized the child. The agents backed their way out of the residence with the child to a waiting van, [with] federal agents still pointing guns at the occupants of the residence.'' Those statements will be challenged by the government, including allegations that the Gonzálezes locked the front door and placed a sofa behind it as the INS agents approached the home. At the time, Reno, federal authorities and others described the Miami raid as a textbook police tactical operation. Reno said she had received information ``there were guns -- perhaps in the crowd, perhaps in the house.'' === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION
Re: [CTRL] ongoing proGay Pressure
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] ongoing proGay Pressure the publications for that stuff is years old - and I don't intend to reresearch it. sorry- but the value of your information is zero if this is the case. and all this below is just guesswork and unsubstantiated innuendo. BUT If I could easily identify the government agency that oversees polls both at home and abroad - [I don't think its the electoral commission] - it would therefore be the chief executive of THAT organisation. Bear in mind that not only would it be easy for this chap to say yes to whitehall - he would probably do anything Mandelson - the gay architect of tonys labour - wanted however - the point is a moot one - tonnes of gays lined up to subvert the referendum, the referendum result - demonstrated that the majority of voters in scotland - ie. more people than would normally elect a legitimate government - voted to keep the clause well- we have the figures for this claim- so go and get them and post them if you are so sure of this! i managed to research Souter's figures for you, to back my claims up- so you do the same or admit you are making it up! a laugh. sounds fun, but having fantasies about Portillo is a bad idea - I'll bet he wouldn't have liked to get locked up in a tory refugee concentration camp - If I were you - I'd idolise someone else - Portillo doesn't sound like a family man. are you really stupid? no-one was idolising him. your interpretation of my words shows the level you are on- you doin't even understand my point, do you? I hope that the wonderful family life so blessed with children that you were describing to amelia will continue in peace there is no peace. - and don't worry too much about nasty homophobic scotsmen like myself - we never could cope with culloden and paul gascoigne scoring at wembley :) you are not the only scot in this conversation andrew and you don't need to be a lamer homophobe to hate those two moments in history. why if I explored my feminine side more often I would be more sensitive ;) probably- i mean you do macho so badly that feminity maybe your only hope. andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 01, at 3:16, Amelia wrote: And such language from someone who sometimes makes statements purporting to speak for Christians. I have Never purported to speak for Christians, or even claimed to be one! (Naturally you will attempt to use that 'against' me. HA!) I think it would be great if Christ died for my sins, but I am more concerned that he died at all considering he was supposedly the Son of God (whoever God is, based on your religion I guess). And if you consider the word f**k to be 'such language', well thenI am sorry I have offended you, Church Lady! All I care about is getting the punctuation right. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Regret to announce the passing of Fletcher Prouty June 5th 2001
-Caveat Lector- Sad news, indeed. BTW, the site has been taken down. I would think the archival value would still be there. Or maybe the feds are taking advantage. Tenorlove --- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.prouty.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ira Einhorn~~Rather Long Article
-Caveat Lector- The was a good one Amelia - by the way, obvious like Larry Flynt made all his money from pornography? He is and was a front for the drug regime for he has established routes, rght? After all who was to feed the rich and famous their daily habits - this Einhorn is and was one of the ugliest individuals ever to live - note, how he protests in his own interests for do you think he is worried about a veteran who could not grow his marijuana? But here is tries to pick up a following. Like Jesse Jackson's fight for the poor and Al Sharpton picking up publicity and ending in slammer. He lived in that house with this dead woman in the attic? He could find nobody to help him dispose of a very heavy trunk - he belongs in France for surely this man when he was discovered in Ireland, the IRA would have taken care of him. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SNET: Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Here we go again with the scare mongering! I say so what? In the past, the scientists tell us that the ice age ended on its without any evil free enterprise industry around, what caused that global warming? Does it take into account the 11 year sunspot cycle, which by the way the sun is at it's peak of solar activity this year? I say this report will be used by the eco-terrorists to scare you into giving up your civil liberties of all kinds of things stasrting by giving up your car, your freedom of choice when comes to where you will live, how much electricity will will be allowed to use. And of course the eco-terrorists will be the ones giving out the orders! And one last point, if warm weather is so terrible, why do most people who move because of climate choose warmer weather to move to?? visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:45:06 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SNET: Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse - SNETNEWS Mailing List I sure hope Bush does not fall for this baloney. On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 23:54:52 -0700 Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - SNETNEWS Mailing List Thursday June 07 08:31 AM EDT Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE with ANDREW C. REVKIN The New York Times In a conclusion that may change President Bush (news - web sites)'s environmental policy, a panel of scientists said that global warming was a real problem and getting worse. WASHINGTON, June 6 A panel of top American scientists declared today that global warming was a real problem and was getting worse, a conclusion that may lead President Bush to change his stand on the issue as he heads next week to Europe, where the United States is seen as a major source of the air pollution held responsible for climate change. In a much-anticipated report from the National Academy of Sciences (news - web sites), 11 leading atmospheric scientists, including previous skeptics about global warming, reaffirmed the mainstream scientific view that the earth's atmosphere was getting warmer and that human activity was largely responsible. Greenhouse gases are accumulating in earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise, the report said. Temperatures are, in fact, rising. The report was requested by the White House last month in anticipation of an international meeting on global warming in Bonn in July but arrived just before President Bush leaves next week for Europe, a trip that includes talks on global warming with leaders of the 15 European Union (news - web sites) countries in Goteborg, Sweden. European leaders expressed outrage in March when Mr. Bush rejected the global warming pact known as the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites), an international treaty negotiated in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, and the subject has been building as an important test of the administration's foreign policy. In the White House's first official acknowledgment of the academy's conclusions, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), Mr. Bush's national security adviser, told reporters today, This is a president who takes extremely seriously what we do know about climate change, which is essentially that there is warming taking place. Mr. Bush and many in his cabinet, who discussed the subject at length on Tuesday, have been trying to hammer out a proposal on limiting the pollutants that cause global warming. A cabinet-level working group is still working on what it wishes to say to the president before we go to Europe, Ms. Rice said. She said Mr. Bush would talk with the allies a little bit about what we've learned thus far. Without being specific, Ms. Rice said Mr. Bush was being guided by certain principles in formulating a proposal. One would want to be certain that developing countries were accounted for in some way, that technology and science really ought to be important parts of this answer, that we cannot do something that damages the American economy or other economies because growth is also important, she said. In response to critics who have suggested that Mr. Bush is ignoring an issue of mounting international concern, Ms. Rice portrayed the group as feverishly committed to educating itself and coming up with a proposal. It has been a matter of bringing up to speed some of the highest- ranking people in this government, she said. I would dare say dare challenge you to find a situation in which you've had so many high-ranking people sitting there week after week after week, understanding the challenge that we face in global climate
[CTRL] [Politics] [Fwd: A true American?!?! Best forward I've ever read!!!] (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:12:00 -0700 From: Sylvia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Politics] [Fwd: A true American?!?! Best forward I've ever read!!!] Feeling blue about the state of your email inbox? Then you'll be tickled pink to hear about our free email organization solution. Learn more at http://click.topica.com/caaabBybz8RyXa86V89a/register This pretty much says it all. Subject: A True American I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies. I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang. I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer. I believe it's called the Boy Scouts for a reason. I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you'd better do it in English. I don't use the excuse it's for the children as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions. I think fireworks should be legal on the 4th of July. I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster. In fact, if your parents are footing the bill to put your pansy ass through 4-7 years of college, you haven't begun to be enlightened. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God. Hillary Clinton is a carpet-munching lesbian. My heroes are John Wayne, the Simpsons, and whoever canceled Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman. I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it. I think global warming is a big lie. Where are all those experts now, when I am freezing my ass through a long winter? I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years in the desert after getting chased out of Egypt, I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you, so shut-the--up already. I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches. And where does he get his money. And why is he always part of the problem and not the solution. I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you're running from them. I also think they have the right to pull your ass over if you are breaking the law, regardless of what color you are. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation the world for the next four years. I hate those bastards standing in the intersections trying to sell me crap or trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. These people should be targets. I think if you are in the passing lane, and not passing, your license should be revoked, and you should be forced to ride the bus until you promise to never delay the rest of us again. I think beef jerky could quite possibly be the perfect food. I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents. I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. I think Dr. Seuss was a genius. I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. I believe if she has her lips on your willie, it is sex, and it is sex for both of you. This even applies when you are President of the United States. If that makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American. If you too are a BAD American please forward this to everyone you know. We need our country back! === LIST INFO Questions or problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~To unsubscribe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~To subscribe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Check out other Hot Topics lists at http://www.topica.com/hot ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8RyX.a86V89 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing
[CTRL] SNET: TIME TO FORM A NEW NATION...... (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 00:50:08 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: TIME TO FORM A NEW NATION.. - SNETNEWS Mailing List Subj: Time to Form a New Nation Date: 6/8/01 1:38:31 AM Central Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pro Christo Libertate) To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (President George W. Bush) Dear Mr. President, The subject of this article is a very grave matter. The paradigm has shifted; it's a new ballgame. Please be advised that many Americans will soon be seeking your support on related proposals, and we will do well to keep these matters in our daily prayers. Thank you, PCL - A HREF=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23122;http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23122/A - Wednesday June 6, 2001 Consider it Said: Time to Form a New Nation - © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Jane Chastain and Linda Bowles, two of the smartest women and best columnists on the national scene these days, each wrote separate but equally alarming tomes on Tuesday, regarding the progression (or regression, depending on your point of view) of American government over the past several decades. Essentially, each said America today resembles little to nothing of the nation our ancestors founded, then fought and died for - to say nothing of the scores who died defending it since then. A more subtle point made in both articles was this: If we don't like the form modern America has taken, there is little time left for concerned citizens to change its direction, lest it become the kind of socialist, authoritarian hellhole we supposedly despise and - at least once - ideologically opposed. In her column, Chastain, citing data from a new study on the huge growth of federal outlays, spending and bureaucracy since the passage of the 16th Amendment (authorizing an income tax, in 1913), warned, it is time this nation has a frank and open discussion about the size and cost of government before we reach the point of no return. Meanwhile, Bowles' column, which decried the rapid encroachment of federal control and regulatory authority over private property ownership and rights, mentioned that little debate about this dictatorial phenomenon had taken place, outside of the localized areas where some of the worst abuses were occurring. One hopes this is due to a lack of coverage by the mainstream media, rather than a fatalistic American submission to state socialism. One fears that only in retrospect, when it is too late to resist, will it be understood that freedoms have been irretrievably forfeited and the Constitution irreversibly abandoned, Bowles wrote. On the 57th anniversary of D-Day, the allied invasion launched during World War II to exterminate the Nazi threat to the world, I think it is more than appropriate to explore the incredible usurpation of federal power in the past several decades and, perhaps most importantly, discuss what we ought to do about it. There are lots of mini-issues floating about, but they basically revolve around the general issues of whether our nation, our people, prefer the continued encroachment of state (meaning federal) control over every aspect of our lives, vs. those who don't. In the pro-big government camp are Americans who don't mind sacrificing most of their earnings to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and unresponsive elected officials. They don't mind relying on Washington for a host of taxpayer-funded benefits, and they are agreeable to the notion that personal responsibility and independence should be sacrificed to the power, arbitration and façade of security offered by most of our leaders. To them, there is no limit to Washington's power or reach, save for small, specific limits on just a handful of personal liberties. And they view people who oppose these ideals as anachronistic, pinhead extremists who are too dumb and unsophisticated to know what's good for them. On the other side is the small government camp, inhabited by people who believe in our Constitution, verbatim, and who hold personal liberty and responsibility so dear that they dare to expect others to hold similar views. They abhor all but the most limited, specific and narrowly defined forms of taxation because they believe their money belongs to them, and that the federal government only needs enough funding to perform its few, narrowly defined, constitutional duties. These folks hate waste, fraud and abuse, would rather seek a hand-up from a friend or
Re: [CTRL] Regret to announce the passing of Fletcher Prouty June 5th 2001
-Caveat Lector- This is very sad news - what I liked at the end no flowers, send money to 'humane society. When my sister died, she had made the request that money be sent in lieu of flowers to Cat Welfare.her obituary covered in a few publications to do with commerce, etc., on the front page and I received many letters and phone calls from people she had helped over the yearsCat Welfare sent me letters in gratitude for being remembered . Now Mrs. Fletcher will not receive other calls as did I, condemning my sister for donating all that money after her death, to Cat Welfare.. Cat welfare was a refuge for unwanted cats, where they would not be killed at the local pound..the pound destroys cats daily often not holding them for the legal time period prescribed. A man's best friend when all is said and done, is his dog..loyal, true, who is always there in good and bad times. Seems the Colonel was a good judge of character. He probably took special note of little John John's dog at the airport, all alone - waiting for his master, who never returned - just a little mixed breed dog who was taken home by his sister. Truly nice people. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] MH: Elián's family can sue the U.S.
-Caveat Lector- Well maybe they should get out some of the old TV film showing little ditching a gun over the fence to unknown parties? The film was taken with some kind of long range camera - and oh so quiet. So the following day you could see someone pushing little Elian out of the door, with a play gun. Further, the whole thing was a set up unless you believe dolphins saved this little red herring from the sea.first Elian was an illegal entry seeking refugehe ran up some pretty expensive bills for this country. Now if those creeps pursue the lawsuits, perhaps it is time Uncle Sam sent the family a bill for their services in returning the short, dumpy father and his kid, who looks and will soon be short and dumpy like him - back to their native land, Cuba. Always wondered about the stash of cocaine they found buried on beaches... Two fishermen in the water saved a little boy who had been saved by Dolphins? Let them sue Clinton and Reno but if they sue the citizens of this country perhpas a few civil suits filed by interested parties would end the subject matter. This kid was given very lavish homes to use during his stay in America - while in Cuba the Secretary of the UN and Castro were plotting to send emmigrants to USA for jobs - and all must be non-white? What? Is America on a self destruct course like the English? I always thought they should have thrown that kid back to the dolphins - for without a doubt they would have directed him back to Cuba a lot cheaper. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 2001, at 1:51, Steve Wingate wrote: And I just bought some high efficiency fluorescent replacements for my incandescents with a government rebate (evil communist socialism in your opinion, no doubt). Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. I replaced all my incandescents with fluorescent bulbs a good 10 years ago, and I've paid for all of them without any help from the government. -- Best Wishes What is a left socialist but a Marxist without a gun? -Don Feder A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Doctors Flee Zimbabwe As AIDS Crisis Widens
Note: Cuba lends medical assistance to Zimbabwe? Seems these doctors flee from sheer greed for come to big rich USA and serve Hollywood movie stars? Or should they better serve in the ghettos of New York City and other cities in the USA.where the streets are still being made from gold? Tell me where were these doctors when the white farmers were being mutilated and butchered along with their black employees who remained loyal and on the job growing food for all - now the government responsible for stealing their land, are appealing for food for these morons could not grow a weed without instruction and professional help. Saba Doctors Flee Zimbabwe As AIDS Crisis Widens From Dr. Cary Savitch, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED]| 6-6-1 With over 30 percent of the pregnant women HIV-infected, and knowing the risks of transmission from blood splash injuries, docs and nurses are running off. CS By Henri E. Cauvin New York Times Fleeing the deepening hardships in Zimbabwe and following the lure of opportunities unimaginable there, medical professionals are leaving the country as never before. As a result, the health care system in Zimbabwe, a nation with one of the world's worst AIDS epidemics, is sinking into crisis. Over the last few years, as many as 100 doctors and hundreds -if not thousands -of nurses are estimated to have emigrated from the country of 11 million people. When asked what was luring away his staff, Dr. Zulu Mahlangu, acting medical superintendent of Mpilo Central Hospital in Bulawayo, said, It's money first and foremost. Doctors in government service typically earn $550 to $1,100 a month in Zimbabwe, and nurses from $350 to $500, according to the Health Ministry and the nurses' union. So countries experiencing critical health care staffing shortages have found legions of workers in Zimbabwe looking for something better. Currently in Zimbabwe, of the 600 posts for doctors in government hospitals, nearly 100 are vacant, as are 600 of the 5,000 positions for general nurses, said Davies G. Dhlamkama, the Health Ministry's director of technical support. Such shortages in medical staff mean that many treatable conditions remain untreated among Zimbabwe citizens. The sort of specialized treatment that was once available only in the capital city is increasingly not offered any more. Mpilo Central has only three staff obstetricians to deliver 11,000 babies a year, and two of those are on loan from Cuba, where they spend several weeks each year.
[CTRL] Fwd: Sex And Murder By AIDS In SF - Sex Clubs Go Unmonitored
I thought houses of prostitution and the like were illegal..but these gay pride bath houses are truly something of which Gay Pride can be proud. Wonder if PeeWee Herman has a membership or Rosie O'Donnell..well at least to date these sporting houses as they used to be called when illegan (??) keep them off the streets and out of our public parks (or do they). Look to South Africa and wonder - Saba Sex And Murder By AIDS In SF - Sex Clubs Go Unmonitored From Dr. Cary Savitch, MD6-6-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our job is to regulate the environments -- not behavior, says the city's health chief, Dr. Mitch Katz. No Mitch, you are a public health officer, in fact, the top dog in San Francisco, and your job is to save lives. When behavior includes spreading a deadly virus, then you have a responsibilty to intervene. -- Cary Savitch MD, President of Beyond AIDS Foundation Sex And The City The San Francisco Chronicle 6-6-1 Even amid new reports showing AIDS once again on the upswing, San Francisco has only one part-time health inspector to monitor the more than a dozen largely gay sex clubs thriving in the city. Not that it makes much difference, because the health inspector assigned to the clubs never actually goes into them when they're open. As a matter of fact, she hasn't gone into them at all lately. That's because the inspector is on maternity leave -- and the Health Department hasn't had anyone fill in for her while she's out. If you're getting the impression that keeping an eye on the new post- bathhouse sex clubs is a low priority with the city -- you're right. Our job is to regulate the environments -- not behavior, says the city's health chief, Dr. Mitch Katz. Five years ago, San Francisco became the first city in the nation to license group sex clubs. At the time, officials said their goal wasn't to sanction sexual promiscuity -- but rather to provide a safer environment for sex. The clubs were supposed to provide condoms, lubricants, proper lighting, AIDS-prevention literature and even safe-sex monitors. The idea being that if the clubs maintain high standards, . . . then they become useful venues for teaching safe sex, Katz told us. So is it working? Hard to say, but we can tell you that few citations have been issued for unsafe sex practices. In fact, according to Katz, the city has only issued six to eight citations -- and closed down just one club -- in the past five years. As for whether the city -- which is spending $60 million a year combatting AIDS -- should be doing more to regulate the clubs, Katz says he's frankly not convinced that it would make much difference. Why not? Every study we've done -- and we've done lots -- show that 95 percent of unsafe sex happens in people's homes, Katz says. In fact, he adds, I don't think there's anyone in the HIV field who thinks a lot of the infections are due to the sex clubs -- it's a small percentage. But Dr. Mervyn Silverman, the AIDS specialist and former San Francisco health director who led the charge to close the city's bathhouses 15 years ago after AIDS first hit, questions whether the sex clubs should remain open at all. As I mentioned back then, there is no way to monitor it unless you're willing to invade people's privacy, Silverman says. Because you're not going to separate people having sex to make sure they're doing it in a safe manner. Bottom line, as Silverman sees it: If the Health Department feels comfortable that those venues are really there to do the right thing, then that's fine. But I don't see how you can license facilities that might encourage unsafe behavior while trying to do your damnedest to stop the spread of this disease.
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- Amelia - Steve does all his grazing at the local super markets and it does not cost him a dime no doubt? Besides for a man who saw the face of Christ in his own dung - imagine he grazes only in the organic section of the produce. Understand he lives like wild animal when at Grand Canyon and twice been report of Monkey Man in Grand Canyon..taking pictures of his own dung? Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jenna, you could have a drink in a free country
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nypress.com/14/23/newscolumns/beans.cfm Hill of Beans Christopher Caldwell Pour, Little Rich Girl There are only two things Ive ever told foreigners about the United States that they simply refused to believe. The first is that partial-birth abortion is legal in this country. A few years ago, during a public debate on abortion that was then roiling all of Ireland, a Dublin taxi driver told me he didnt understand what all the fuss was over. I told him that the recent debate in the United States had been focused not so much on abortion in general as on certain late- term procedures. When I explained what partial-birth abortion was, the cabbie flat-out told me I was full of it. The more I tried to convince him that the procedure was actually legaland, whats more, actually performedthe more he thought I was one of those anti-American ideologues who dont realize what a good thing theyve got, and who invent propaganda to make their country sound like some kind of fascist slaughterhouse. In short, he thought I was lying. The second instance in which American customs have put me in the position of Ripleys Believe It or Not concerns our drinking laws. Last Bastille Day, I visited friends in a small town in Normandy. After the fireworks, the entire extended family wandered over to a cafe patio and we all ordered drinks. My friend Guillaume ordered a panaché for his 11-year-old son. I asked him what a panaché was, and that launched us on a 10-minute excursion into utter mutual incomprehension. Its half beer, half lemonade, he explained. You must have something like it in the United States. No, we prefer to drink just beer. I mean for kids. Well, kids cant drink in the United States. But, say, when they go out to a bar and their father orders a Kids dont go into bars. Of course not, but if a boys with his father and It doesnt matter, I said. Its against the law for a father to order a beer for his kid. This is where understanding broke down totally. No, you see, the child doesnt order the beer, Guillaume went on, his patience rapidly eroding. The father It doesnt matter, I repeated. Guillaume called over his older brother Maurice, who had a reputation as the town savant, and explained what wed been talking about. Maurice did an extraordinary thing: he told me that what I was saying could not possibly be true, and if I actually went back and checked the relevant U.S. laws, Id find In other words, he went all colonial on me. He treated me as if I were some savage who misunderstood the hard facts of his own country. It was as if I were a tribesman from Mbonkoland telling a couple of tourists that his countrys leading industry is tin mining, which confuses the tourists, who know the country mines nickel, not tin. The confusion would get resolved when some old Mbonkoland hand explained that, in the Mbonkolese languages, tin is the word used for any metal. But there was no old American hand around, and no possibility of mutual understanding. As the meaning of Barbara and Jenna Bushs alcohol troubles gets masticated in the press, the key point to bear in mind is the one that most easily gets lost. Its that there are no customs on Earth more bizarre than Americas alcohol laws. When you think of them, think of suttee, foot-binding, and ritual scarification. The 19-year-old Bush twins were arrested at an Austin saloon last week for underage drinking. Naturally, theres no evidence that either of them has an unnatural relationship with alcoholso the state of Texas has taken it upon itself to provide them with one. Owing partly to a jurisdictional accidentBarbara Bush attends Yale in semi-civilized Connecticut and Jenna attends UT in enforcement-mad TexasBarbara will probably get off with community service, but Jenna could be in a world of pain. You see, Jenna has a prior conviction for underage drinking. She was sentenced just three weeks ago to community service and alcohol education lessons. And it emerged at the end of last week that Jenna may actually have two prior convictions. There is a 1997 incident on police databases. Because Jenna was a juvenile at the time it has not been revealed whether that incident was an arrest or merely a warning. If Jenna does in fact have a third underage drinking offense on her record, then under Texas ridiculous three strikes law, she could face a jail term of up to six months. The horrid irony here is that Jennas own father not only signed that law but actually agitated for it. Almost anyone who thinks for a second about Jennas predicament will find himself pulled in opposite directions. The dual sympathies that result resemble those of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. At least they resemble mine. On the one hand, there was simply no way that the American people should have had their constitutional right to choose their president nullified because moralists objected to that presidents having had an affair. On the other
Re: [CTRL] HOW DAVID ASIMOV, THE BIGGEST CHILD PORN PROCESSOR IN CALIFORNIA SKATED AWAY FROM FEDERAL PRISON WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HIS FRIENDS
-Caveat Lector- U.S. Attorney Mueller See http://www.iwon.com/home/news/news_article/0,11746,132210|top|06-03-2001::07 :19|reuters,00.html White House Reportedly Narrows List for FBI Chief June 3, 2001 7:05 am EST Citing sources familiar with the search, the newspaper said the list of final candidates had been narrowed to U.S. District Court Sterling Johnson Jr. of Brooklyn, New York; Robert Mueller, who was acting deputy attorney general from January until last month; and George Terwilliger, a deputy attorney general under President Bush's father. === http://www.usaondca.com/txt/html/us_attorney_biography.html US Department of Justice, Northern District of California Robert S. Mueller, III On October 7, 1999 Mr. Mueller was confirmed by the Senate as the United States Attorney for the Northern District of California. From August 1998 until his confirmation, Mr. Mueller served in that position as the interim United States Attorney. In 1995 Mr. Mueller left private practice to serve as Senior Litigation Counsel in the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia in the Homicide Section. He assumed the position of Chief of that Section in 1997. From 1990-1993 Mr. Mueller served in the Bush Administration as Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice. Prior to that, Mr. Mueller was on the staff of Attorney General Richard Thornburgh (1989-1990). He has been an Assistant United States Attorney in San Francisco (1976-1982) and in Boston (1982-1988). In Boston he held positions as Chief of the Criminal Division, Deputy United States Attorney, and United States Attorney. Mr. Mueller has also practiced law in the private sector. He was a partner at Hale and Dorr in Boston and Washington (1993-1995), and a partner at Hill Barlow in Boston (1988-1989). Mr. Mueller started his legal career as an associate at Pillsbury, Madison Sutro in San Francisco (1973-1976). In 1991 Mr. Mueller was elected a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers. Mr. Mueller attended Princeton University and received a Masters Degree in International Relations from New York University. He then served in the United States Marine Corps where he was awarded the Bronze Star, two Navy Commendation Medals, the Purple Heart and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry during his tour of duty in Vietnam. Mr. Mueller attended the University of Virginia Law School. -Original Message- From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:52 PM Subject: [CTRL] HOW DAVID ASIMOV, THE BIGGEST CHILD PORN PROCESSOR IN CALIFORNIA SKATED AWAY FROM FEDERAL PRISON WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HIS FRIENDS -Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.newsmakingnews.com/asimov3,29,01.htm;http/A - HOW DAVID ASIMOV, THE BIGGEST CHILD PORN PROCESSOR IN CALIFORNIA SKATED AWAY FROM FEDERAL PRISON WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HIS FRIENDS by Kathryn Dixon © 2000 David Asimov, of Living Oak Court, Bennett Ridge, Santa Rosa, the son of the late science fiction writer Isaac Asimov, was sentenced on March 28, 2001 to six months' home detention with electronic monitoring and three years federal probation for possessing child pornography. U.S. District Court Judge Maxine M. Chesney sentenced Asimov after reviewing a series of sealed psychiatric reports, one of which was ordered by the court. Asimov who was charged with four federal counts of possession of child pornography with each count carrying a five year sentence, pled guilty to two counts in a plea bargain deal. There was no forfeiture of any of Asimov's assets in this case, despite his owning a home in Santa Rosa purchased in 1996 for $375,000, and despite his receiving $3,000 per month from his father's estate. How did Asimov, who possessed one of the largest stashes of pornography in California, skate away from federal prison? A look at the players yields the answer. Asimov's child porn stash was so big many child victims and perpetrators would have taken a fall, had Asimov been zealously prosecuted at trial. Asimov would probably have escaped detection, if he had not taken his personal computer to a store when its scanner and color printer malfunctioned. A technician working on the machine discovered images of children engaged in sexual acts with adults. A store supervisor contacted the police. Asimov's case is not the only case where tips about child porn were generated by store technicians. It seems either child pornographers are stupid about fixing their computers or they are unwitting framed. The police raided Asimov's four-bedroom home with a search warrant and discovered the largest child porn processing center ever discovered in California. There were thousands of disks, thousands of videos, said Sonoma County Deputy District Attorney Gary Medvigy, who personally referred to Asimov's home as a processing center for child pornography. Anything imaginable
[CTRL] Fwd: Anarchy and Community
-Caveat Lector- Anarchy and Community by P. Andrew Sandlin Stephen W. Carsons cogent essay on Lew Rockwell.com (Biblical Anarchism) defined anarchy as absence of rulers. He shows that the Biblical notion of civil law virtually excludes what we today know as the state. In the Bible, most civil disputes are settled privately, with local judges and an appellate system, and a system of restitution for aggrieved parties. Carson is entirely correct to note that there is simply no room for the state in such an arrangement. The law itself becomes the political ruler, and there is no need for politicians. I wish here simply to supplement Carsons excellent thesis. Absence of state coercion is not equivalent to political liberty. Political liberty is possible only when there is a series of independent social institutions that check each others authority. These institutions are communities. Man cannot live without community (Genesis 2:18). Aside from the Bible itself, perhaps no work has made that point more effectively than Robert Nisbets The Quest for Community. Nisbet, a communitarian-libertarian, argues that man is a communitarian being. He is made to live, laugh, work, play, love, suffer, cry, and die in a community. And he will always find communities in which to live. Communitarianism is an inescapable concept. Now in the Bible and the Christian faith, that community is manifested primarily in the family and church, and secondarily in vocation (business) and other private spheres. These are the multiple communities in which men live their lives. Men find their liberty in participation in various communities, each of which stands as a sentinel over its own prerogatives and provides a haven for individuals treated unjustly by other communities. If a husband is dictatorial, the wife can appeal to the church. If the church is abusive, the family can appeal to a higher church court or another church body. If a business is unjust, the individual or family can appeal to a private court system. In the case of injustice, a Biblically ordered society almost always offers recourse to another community. The problem with the modern state is that it professes to be a community. For this reason, as Nisbet shrewdly notes, the state is not opposed to individual freedom. Individual freedom, far from being the effect of emancipation from state power, is, in fact, the precondition of that power. Tyrannical states do not war against the individual; they war against those non-coercive, intermediate institutions which claim the individuals allegiance: the family, the church, the school, business, and so on. In fact, as Nisbet observes, the only freedom tyrannical societies permit is individual freedom. They desire an individual wedded exclusively to the state as an exclusive community, and offer him a certain limited sphere of freedom. It is not individual freedom that these tyrannies oppose, but competitors to their authority that they find unacceptable. They do not mind individual freedom; they only mind competitors to the allegiance they require of men. They are willing to give men a long leash, as long as they alone are grasping the other end. The modern state is never at war with the individual. The state needs the individual (and it wants only the individual) for its sordid, tyrannical purposes. The state is at war with other communities that vie for mans allegiance the family, church, business, and so on. The state wants to wipe out all communitarian competition so that it can remake man into a pliant agent for state purposes. Men are material to the modern state, particularly the secular humanist state. They exist, in Mikhail Hellers language, to be cogs in the wheel of a massive, utopian state enterprise. In other words, the state wants a monopoly on community. Libertarians err if they suppose that the center of the statist program is economic monopoly exclusive ownership and distribution of goods and services. Statist economic monopoly is easy once it is has seized a communitarian monopoly. When mens lives, hopes and aspirations are severed from family, church, and vocation, they are an easy prey for the state. The state will permit great latitude to these individuals, just as long as they do not create, or divert their allegiance to, other communities. The Bible supports anarchy (as Carson defines it) in the political sphere, but not in true communities: families, churches, vocations, and so on. There, men willingly exercise and live under authority. As rulers, they act as humble servants to (not dictators over) those for whom they are responsible (Mark 10:42-45). As subjects, they honor and obey those in authority (Hebrews 13:17). The Bible weds anarchy in the political sphere to community in the social sphere. June 8, 2001 http://www.lewrockwell.com/sandlin/sandlin13.html -- Best Wishes Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise
Re: [CTRL] MRC: Dan Rather; Onset of Senility, or Rather Reveals Truth on TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dan Rather is trying to be beloved by all and it just does not work. People will not forgive him for his sinister attack on the President of the United States as he waited for him to break. ___ Nakano comments: There are more important reasons for Dan Rather not to be forgiven. He was a part of a very different and darker sinister attack on a President. Dan Rather was the only news reporter who actually saw President John Kennedy's assassination. News reporters were riding in vehicles in the motorcade, but they did not see the shooting. Their vehicles had not turned the corner into Dealey Plaza. But Dan Rather wasn't in the motorcade. He was standing on the sidewalk on the north side of Elm street, just before the famous triple underpass. In a CBS Radio live interview, Rather said that he: had a clear and unobstructed view, that he was looking directly at President Kennedy when he was shot. Rather said he saw the President thrown violently forward...almost into the seat in front of him by the impact of the bullets. Rather's eye-witness report supported the Warren Commission's conclusion that the shots had been fired from behind the President's limousine; and from the Texas School Book Depository Building. Rather's eye-witness report, and his report on the killing of Lee Harvey Oswald, launched a meteoric rise in his career. Shortly after the Kennedy assassination, CBS promoted Dan Rather from an obscure network position in Houston, to become the CBS White House Correspondent. After covering Lyndon Johnson's White House, Rather went on to be one of the Program Hosts on CBS 60 Minutes. Then when Walter Cronkite retired, Rather was given the top job at CBS as Anchor of the CBS Evening News. But wait a minute. Dan Rather reported he saw John Kennedy thrown violently forward. That isn't what happened at all. The Zapruder film of the assassination clearly shows John Kennedy being thrown violently BACK AND TO THE LEFT! This is just the opposite of what Rather reported. The Zapruder film shows that Dan Rather LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! Of course the People didn't know it, because they were not allowed to see the Zapruder film until several years after the assassination. Rather wrote a book entitled: The Camera Doesn't Blink What grim irony in that title. Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- David Lindstedt wrote: John Kucek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Comrades: I plan to send the following letter to as many newspapers in NE PA as I can find Email addresses for and also send copies to the Gov, State Police Commissar and State Atty General. Can you get me newspaper addresses around Stroudsburg and names and addresses of govt officials? ASAP JLK P.S. I need the addresses and names, not advice on where to find the information. Dear Editor: Last month a worldwide Christian radio and mail ministry from Colorado scheduled a Family Bible Conference in northeastern Pennsylvania, a few miles north of Stroudsburg. The conference center, which they rented for their meeting, is at the end of a small country road two and one-half miles off the main road. On a Friday afternoon, just at the time the conference attendees began to arrive for the three day conference, ten Pennsylvania State Police Cars, a K-9 unit, twelve State Law Enforcers and a police helicopter decided to set up a welcoming committee for the Christian guests. The greeting sign on the side of the road said Safety Check, reminiscent of the old days in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. As each of the arriving vehicles was stopped, a Law Enforcer asked the driver for his travel papers (i.e. drivers license, insurance papers, registration papers, inspection sticker) and asked if seat belts were buckled. At the same time , a photographer came from the other side and started taking photographs. Then there were the routine Gestapo questions like Who are you and where are you going? In view of the gross violation of our rights to: peaceable assembly, freedom of religion, security from unreasonable searches, freedom to travel and right to privacy, it became apparent that the inquisitors were actually a gang of armed thugs masquerading as police officers. Evidence of this alarming fact is that lawful police officers must take and oath and abide by the United States Constitution and the Constitution of Pennsylvania. Although the thugs that intercepted us on that lonely country road had the insignia and equipment of police officers, their behavior revealed their true identity. As a veteran of WW2 and Korea, I sometimes wonder whatever happened to all the freedom we were told that we were fighting for. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Multiculturalism and the Ruling Elite
-Caveat Lector- Multiculturalism and the Ruling Elite -- by Daniel Brandt Opportunity is rapidly vanishing, poorly masked by an institutionalized preference for diversity. Leftist academics in ivory towers are hooked on designer victimology but fail to notice the real victims -- the entire next generation. Meanwhile the rich get richer. Have a nice New World Order. _ Anyone who follows today's academic debates on multiculturalism, and by happenstance is also familiar with the power-structure research that engaged students in the sixties and early seventies, is struck by that old truism: the only thing history teaches us is that no one learns from history. By now it's even embarrassing, perhaps because of our soundbite culture. Not only must each generation painstakingly relearn, by trial and error, everything learned by the previous generation, but it's beginning to appear that we have to relearn ourselves that which we knew a scant twenty years earlier. The debate over diversity is one example of this. Researchers in the sixties discovered that the ruling elites of the West mastered the techniques of multiculturalism at the onset of the Cold War, and employed them time and again to counter the perceived threat from communism. The Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF) was funded first by the CIA and then, after this was exposed in 1967, by the Ford Foundation. CCF created magazines, published books, and conducted conferences throughout the world, in an effort to wean intellectuals to democratic liberalism.[1] The CIA was also busy in Africa. In an article titled The CIA as an Equal Opportunity Employer that first appeared in 1969 in Ramparts and was reprinted in the Black Panther newspaper and elsewhere, members from the Africa Research Group presented convincing evidence that the CIA has promoted black cultural nationalism to reinforce neo-colonialism in Africa. In their introduction they added that activists in the black colony within the United States can easily see the relevance to their own situation; in many cases the same techniques and occasionally the same individuals are used to control the political implications of Afro-American culture.[2] But this is lost history, found today only on dusty library shelves or buried in obscure databases. None of it is mentioned in the current debate over diversity, not even in one of the most lucid essays, an opinion piece by David Rieff that appeared in a recent Harper's.[3] Rieff paints a picture of multiculturalism and shows, in broad strokes, how multiculturalism serves capitalism. To appreciate the significance of multiculturalism we must, as Rieff does, look at the academic arguments from someplace in the real world, or at least from off campus. But we must also be aware of our own historical legacy: psychological warfare and the secret state, the mass media and the culture of spectacle, the role of foundations, and above all, the interests and techniques of the elite globalists who won the Cold War. From the time that this war began in 1947, the Carnegie, Ford, and Rockefeller Foundations, in cooperation with the CIA, began funding programs at major U.S. universities such as Harvard, MIT, and Columbia. They began with an emphasis on Russian studies, but by the mid-1960s these three foundations and the CIA had a near-monopoly on all international studies in the U.S.[4] This phenomenon, a big-money, top-down affair born out of strategic considerations, is the precursor of today's academic multiculturalism. Some defenders of academic diversity pretend that the elitist shoe is on the other foot, and note that their critics are funded by certain conservative foundations. Sara Diamond tracks the Olin Foundation and Smith-Richardson money behind Dinesh D'Souza and the National Association of Scholars (NAS), two of the more vocal critics of multiculturalism.[5] Diamond points out that the Smith-Richardson Foundation has its own CIA connections, even though they pale in significance alongside the Carnegie - Ford - Rockefeller nexus. But Diamond's major error is in framing her arguments in terms of right and left. This allows the real dynamics to escape her field of vision. The ruling elite that finds diversity useful is an elite operating at a level which transcends right and left. While there is an ideological right that is battling the left, and while they do enjoy funding from other conservatives, these folks are not the problem because they do not have substantial power. Nothing shows this better than the fact that this ideological right has always been as concerned as the left over the real source of power, the elite globalists. This began with the Reece Committee on the role of foundations in 1954, continued through the 1960s with the John Birch Society's attacks on the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and later on the Trilateral Commission, and continues today with Pat Robertson,[6]
[CTRL] Why Bother to Think?
Why Bother to Think?Prometheus OnlineSimon Blackburn in defence of philosophy and the role of the philosopher When asked about the value of philosophy I am always reminded of a well-known Oxford story concerning The Dean of Christchurch, in the nineteenth century. Dean Gaisford was asked by a visiting lady what was the value of Classical Studies. 'Madam,' he is supposed to have replied 'it elevates above the common herd, it enables us to read the word of our Saviour in the original Greek, and it not infrequently leads to positions of considerable emolument, both in this life and in that which is to come'. Can we do better than this in defending the practice of philosophy and its place in the academic world? http://http://www.prometheus.demon.co.uk/04/04blackburn.htm Get Netgasm Get Daily Links that Hit all the Right Spots.Homepage Address: www.geocities.com/peatluke/netgasm.htmlZine Page Address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Netgasm~~
Re: [CTRL] SNET: Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I say this report will be used by the eco-terrorists to scare you into giving up your civil liberties of all kinds of things stasrting by giving up your car, your freedom of choice when comes to where you will live, how much electricity will will be allowed to use. How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is how much electricity you will be allowed to use but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of selfish, self centered, self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored? Or am I jumping to conclusions? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SNET: Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- no i think you may just be onto something there dude, even if it was an obviously rhetorical question ;) - Original Message - From: Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] SNET: Panel Tells Bush Global Warming Is Getting Worse (fwd) -Caveat Lector- I say this report will be used by the eco-terrorists to scare you into giving up your civil liberties of all kinds of things stasrting by giving up your car, your freedom of choice when comes to where you will live, how much electricity will will be allowed to use. How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is how much electricity you will be allowed to use but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of selfish, self centered, self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored? Or am I jumping to conclusions? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] fisherprice voting device
prolly seen this before but whatevcer your politics this is kinda sweet attachment: vote-device.JPG
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- lol nice one- the double takes i made when looking at your last two posts were worth the confusion hehe write another with *insert cause here* instead. oh well, just go ahead and do individual ones, nessie, but remember it might take you weeks with only 7 posts a day ;) - Original Message - From: Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disturbing -Caveat Lector- How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? A HREF=ttp://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ===CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlArchives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- did you get busted for a gram and they took your house and car away as criminal earnings or something recently? you got such awful damn laws regarding weed over there, i sympathise completely. - Original Message - From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disturbing -Caveat Lector- lol nice one- the double takes i made when looking at your last two posts were worth the confusion hehe write another with *insert cause here* instead. oh well, just go ahead and do individual ones, nessie, but remember it might take you weeks with only 7 posts a day ;) - Original Message - From: Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disturbing -Caveat Lector- How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? A HREF=ttp://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ===CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlArchives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Space News
-Caveat Lector- Thought I'd FWD this... --- I understand the unicorn's song, And my own is made of owls and flowers; I have made my voice of night and time; My shadow goes before me like a spear. -- from Taliesin and the Dark -Original Message- Subject: Space News NASA Science News for May 29, 2001 NASA's own 'Bionic Woman' is applying artificial intelligence to teach robots how to behave a little more like human explorers. FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast29may_1.htm?list447691 NASA Science News for May 30, 2001 NASA's Human Exploration and Development of Space (HEDS) enterprise tackles one of the toughest and most redeeming problems of all: sending humans into space. This feature story also includes lessons and activities for educators. FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast30may_1.htm?list447691 NASA Science News for June 1, 2001 Scientists are creating a new breed of glowing plants --part mustard and part jellyfish-- to help humans explore the Red Planet. FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast01jun_1.htm?list447691 Space Weather News for June 5, 2001 http://www.spaceweather.com The annual Arietid meteor shower peaks this week on Thursday, June 7th. The Arietids are unusual because they are daytime meteors -- most of them streak through the sky unnoticed while the bright Sun is overhead. Nevertheless, early risers on Thursday could spot some beautiful Earthgrazing Arietids during the dark hours before dawn. Later in the day, after the Sun rises, you can listen to the shower by tuning in to NASA's online meteor radar. For details and updates visit http://www.SpaceWeather.com NASA Science News for June 6, 2001 NASA's is improving its already-extraordinary traffic control system for interplanetary spacecraft, the Deep Space Network, in preparation for a flurry of activity in deep space. FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast06jun_1.htm?list447691 NASA Science News for June 7, 2001 Whenever astronomers see the sky for the first time in a new part of the electromagnetic spectrum, they inevitably spot something they didn't expect -- from black holes to pulsars to planet-forming disks, there's always a surprise. Now NASA astronomers have captured the first focused images of any astronomical object at hard x-ray wavelengths. The eye-opening advance will finally reveal what the hard x-ray sky looks like in crisp detail -- and perhaps uncover a new batch of astronomical wonders. FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast07jun_1.htm?list447691 To Unsub send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following in the message body. Unsubscribe [your address] Listname (ex. Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] earthclan). A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Environmental Alerts - Care2
-Caveat Lector- --- I understand the unicorn's song, And my own is made of owls and flowers; I have made my voice of night and time; My shadow goes before me like a spear. -- from Taliesin and the Dark -Original Message- Subject: Environmental Alerts - Care2 I. NEW ALERT: Help Clear the Air in America's National Parks! Many of the U.S. national parks are affected by regional haze -- caused by the emissions of sulfur dioxide from old, inefficient power plants -- that threatens park resources and values, as well as the health of park visitors. The air pollution problem is especially bad in cherished parks such as Grand Canyon in Arizona, Big Bend in Texas, Shenandoah in Virginia, and the Great Smoky Mountains in North Carolina/Tennessee. Right now, our best opportunity to clear the air comes from bipartisan legislation aimed at reducing polluting emissions from electric power plants. To help, please go to http://www.care2.com/go/redirect/2/1918. Coal-fired power plants have jeopardized parks such as Great Smoky Mountains National Park, the nation's most-visited park, with air pollution so heavy that historic mountain vistas are being fogged out of sight. At Great Smokies overlooks where visitors 40 years ago could see mountains 100 miles away, summer views are now reduced by haze to less than 15 miles. Wildlife suffers from this air pollution, too. Researchers at Great Smokies have documented damage from ground-level ozone to 30 different plant species and observed an additional 60 species with ozone-like damage. Encourage your member of Congress to support legislation to require polluting power plants to modernize and reduce emissions of nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide, and mercury. Click here: http://www.care2.com/go/redirect/2/1918 When you respond to this appeal about clearing the air in America's national parks, Care2's nonprofit partner, the National Parks Conservation Association, will send you periodic email alerts on this and other conservation issues. Please help by clicking here: http://www.care2.com/go/redirect/2/1918 II. ACTIVIST TIPS ** Save money on air conditioning by planting trees around your home. Trees provide shade in summer and can reduce home air conditionning needs by 10 to 50 percent. Well maintained trees will also filter out air pollution for as long as 60 years! ** Read your labels! If what you're throwing away is hazardous, dispose of it properly. Just one drop of oil can contaminate up to 25 litres of water. III. INSPIRATIONAL QUOTE Something will have gone out of us as a people if we ever let the remaining wilderness be destroyed...We need wilderness preserved...because it was the challenge against which our character as a people was formed. -- Wallace Stegner A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Amnesty International
-Caveat Lector- --- I understand the unicorn's song, And my own is made of owls and flowers; I have made my voice of night and time; My shadow goes before me like a spear. -- from Taliesin and the Dark -Original Message- Subject: Amnesty International www.amestyusa.org This week, Amnesty International celebrates its 40th Anniversary. It all started back in 1961 when Peter Benenson, a London lawyer, wrote an appeal in the Observer calling for amnesty for two Portuguese students who had been jailed for drinking a toast to freedom. More than 1,000 people responded with offers of support and Amnesty International was born. Now, Amnesty International is the world's largest human rights organization with more than one million members. For 40 years, men and women on the front lines fighting for human rights have turned to Amnesty International for support. And Amnesty International members like you have been there. Amnesty International has helped save thousands of lives, protected human rights defenders and held governments accountable for human rights abuses. Thanks to all of you for supporting Amnesty International. Your involvement and support help Amnesty International continue the fight to bring justice and freedom to countless numbers of people all over the world. This week, Amnesty International celebrates its 40th Anniversary. It all started back in 1961 when Peter Benenson, a London lawyer, wrote an appeal in the Observer calling for amnesty for two Portuguese students who had been jailed for drinking a toast to freedom. More than 1,000 people responded with offers of support and Amnesty International was born. Now, Amnesty International is the world's largest human rights organization with more than one million members. For 40 years, men and women on the front lines fighting for human rights have turned to Amnesty International for support. And Amnesty International members like you have been there. Amnesty International has helped save thousands of lives, protected human rights defenders and held governments accountable for human rights abuses. Thanks to all of you for supporting Amnesty International. Your involvement and support help Amnesty International continue the fight to bring justice and freedom to countless numbers of people all over the world. Amnesty International's 2001 Annual Report finds that for many people, human rights remain paper promises, endorsed by governments in rhetoric but neglected or ignored in practice. The report documents evidence of human rights violations perpetrated by governments, opposition groups and others in 149 countries last year. It shows that in 2000 torture was used in 125 of the 149 countries surveyed. In addition, political killings occurred in 61 countries - a 69% increase over the previous year and a return to the highest levels of the decade. It also shows a slight decline in disappearances and the detention of prisoners of conscience. Amnesty International also released a list of human rights heroes and scoundrels for the year 2000. Among the human rights heroes are: George Ryan, Governor of Illinois, for instigating a new national debate on capital punishment by declaring a moratorium on the death penalty. Mehrangiz Kar, an Iranian human rights advocate who has fought to gain recognition of women's rights and children's rights. Among the scoundrels are: Robert Mugabe, President of Zimbabwe, for his determination to hold on to power no matter what the cost to human rights and the rule of law. The Texas Board of Pardons and Parole, for operating a flawed capital punishment system, reviewing clemency petitions in secret and voting without due process procedures. Click here to read more about Amnesty International's 2001 Annual Report. Professor Mesfin Wolde-Mariam, aged 72, and Dr Berhanu Nega, President of the Ethiopian Economic Association, both leading human rights defenders, have been released. Professor Wolde-Mariam and Dr Nega were arrested on May 8 and were held incommunicado. According to their families, the two were charged with inciting a riot and forming an illegal clandestine political party. Although they have been released on bail, the charges against them remain. Amnesty International will continue to monitor the situation. Thank you to the thousands of FAST activists who sent emails on this case. Three young men, Luis Manuel HERNANDEZ, Jose Luis CASTELLANOS and Jose Luis de la TORRE, have reportedly been tortured in police custody. They are now in prison awaiting trial and Amnesty International fears that they will suffer further torture. There is also concern that they were forced to confess under torture, and so will face an unfair trial. The three, who are from Venustiano Carranza Municipality, Chiapas state, were reportedly arrested on 17 May by State Judicial Police (Policia Judicial Estatal) and Municipal Police (Policia Municipal), and taken to the Municipal Police detention center.
[CTRL] Fwd: In the end, McVeigh controls his fate
In the end, McVeigh contnrols his own fate? This is the most ignorant title to a story I have ever read, and only MSNBC would be capable of publishing same. So like a good little soldier, McVeigh will go to his death - his lips are sealed and there will be the writing of many more books. He is in a cage - a canary who would not sing - a pigeon, a jail bird .and maybe a programmed killer like little Sirhan or the Manson family or another Oswald. The poem he will recite or from which he will quote is as follows British Poetry. 1920. William Ernest Henley. 18491903 7. Invictus OUT of the night that covers me, Black as the Pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds, and shall find, me unafraid. It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul. Now why didn't this little creep just quote a verse from the Satanic Bible and be done with it; this kamakazi killer, who failed to get away. Even Kamakazi pilots were given drugs, like the old assassins before they murdered and made themselves living sacrifices to the head man. I would like to know one thing - the explosion was set for around 11 a.m., but it was changed to 9 a.m...was this because it was an FBI sting operation that back fired as some think? In his haste to get away, McVeigh loses a license plate and a young police officer, decided the fate of McVeigh not McVeigh becuse he was almost home free? So much for Captain of his soul and Master of his fate - sitting all alone - a canary would would not sing. So much for Gideon - the master of hit and run guerilla warfare - but who was his mentor? Did McVeigh ever have a girlfriend? He tried to get a job as a US Marshall? Think he really cared about Waco? Regardless that license plate sure had to be put on in a hurry, for it to fall off as it did - such sloppy work for a man who was allged to be so thorough and meticulous in everything he did as he was a good little soldier. He did exactly as he was told but - why did they change the time from 11:00 a.am to 9 a.m. - did somebody smell a sting operation going bad? Saba In the end, McVeigh controls his fate A security truck passes the watch towers at the U.S. Penitentiary in Terre Haute, Ind., where Timothy McVeigh is scheduled to die early Monday. By Jon Bonné MSNBC June 9 More than 6,500 people die each day in the United States. But early Monday morning, the nation's eyes will be focused on the extensively planned demise of just one. As convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh quietly prepares to meet his fate, even his victims remain divided over whether his execution will truly close one of the most painful chapters in American history. June 9 Father Ron Ashmore of the St. Margaret Mary Catholic Church in Terre Haute talks with NBC's David Bloom about his ministering to Timothy McVeigh. SOME WOULD LOVE to watch him die; a few even hoped to record the event. A federal appeals court Friday denied a request from defense lawyers in an unrelated case to videotape McVeigh's execution so it could be used as evidence to argue that the death penalty constitutes what the Constitution decries as cruel and unusual punishments. The lawyers appealed Saturday to the Supreme Court. It was not the first such request; an Internet broadcaster was shot down earlier this year, after asking to Webcast the execution. And Attorney General John Ashcroft, in announcing that victims in Oklahoma City would be able to watch the death via a secure digital transmission, expressed concerns that someone would try to steal the feed. Others, including many of those whose lives were shattered by McVeigh, have no desire to see him killed. Either way, thousands of reporters and media producers, technicans and runners will be camped out over the weekend in Terre Haute, Ind., where the federal government's death house, a squat building on a flat grass field outside the city, is located. Some two dozen people will watch from behind a pane of glass as McVeigh receives a fatal set of injections. Hundreds more will observe from a federal prison facility in Oklahoma, where 168 people died in the fatal blast McVeigh caused with a truck full of explosives. MCVEIGH CHOOSES HIS FATE Advertisement Strangely and perhaps painfully it was McVeigh who put his own death back on schedule. His lawyers on Thursday abandoned their appeals to delay his death so he could mentally prepare to die. Though they urged him to take his appeal to the Supreme Court, McVeigh declined.
[CTRL] Alex Constantine on Fritz Springmeier on Illuminati
Linda: He offers an alternate reality of mind control in which some basic information is accurate and verifiable, and he then veers into Birch-style fantasies. The uproar he brought about over at the Christian right concerning price codes at the supermarket, for instance. IMHO, the relative threat to privacy that this particular techno-trap may pose is meager compared to the incredible invasiveness of EM bio-technology, but a big stink was made in recent times, even to the extent of characterizing the codes as the mark of the beast. Such doggerel distracts from much more serious issues. Illuminati, in the early-mid 20th century, was a fascist catch-word for a supposed Jewish-Communist-Freemasonic conspiracy. That's how Hitler used the term. As found in neo-fascist literature, it is historically false (the origins of Communism are found in the Romantic Movement of early 19th century Europe, when many cultural and social leaders observed the atrocities of industrial expansion first-hand, eg. young mothers throwing their babies in the Thames because they couldn't afford to feed them, not in a supposed Illuminist conspiracy to undermine capitalism that culminates in Marx and the Russian Revolution). It is, in this context, an inflammatory term, one that belongs to the far-right and it's obvious that this is where Fritz is most comfortable. My original point was that most people mean overclass when they speak of illuminati so why not say overclass and avoid the historical tarnish that clings to the word. AC on 6/9/01 6:56 AM, Linda Minor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I brought up the name of Fritz Springmeier to Alex Constantine last week, he said (and I'm paraphrasing) it was his opinion that Fritz was a tool of a group of fascists who wanted to plant the idea that the Illuminati was Jewish. It's interesting from John Torrell's description of how Springmeier sort of appeared from nowhere and latched on to Cisco Wheeler aka Linda Johnson and publicized her description of the Monarch programming, which many victims of mind-control programming say has a strong ring of truth. It is difficult to know whether Fritz was being handled while he did this or whether he have been trying to escape from his own mind-controlled past and failed. Regardless, it's clear he was not telling the truth about himself. Linda -Original Message- Date: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: FRITZ SPRINGMEIER-- ANOTHER HUMAN TRAGEDY In a message dated 6/8/01 1:20:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.eaec.org/FritzSprinmeier.htm Ron Patton had written an article titled, Exposing the Exposers, in the Spring 1997 issue of his newsletter, Endure To The End. Essentially, Patton questioned why Springmeier aloud himself to be interviewed by the CIA front tabloid, CONTACT (December 17, 1996). Ron makes an interesting observation: during the interview, Fritz acknowledges his calling in life is to be a religious and social reformer. Coincidentally, in his book, The Illuminati Formula Used To Create A Total Mind_Controlled Slave, he states on page 14 that one of the occupations the programmers select and groom for a young child under mind control is a religious and social reformer. This presents the question: why would Fritz use such precise wording to describe himself and why would a Christian use such ambiguous terminology for his calling? Hmm. Om K
Re: [CTRL] SNET: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble' (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Steve Flew to the Grand Canyon.. Well airplanes use fossil fuels and he certainly had to travel by land to the Grand Canyon some how. I am waiting for the proposal from these nazis that make driving an automobile cheaper instead of ever more expensive like driving up the price of gasoline by their endless demands for more expensively refined gasoline, like driving up the price of crude oil by preventing the exploration of oil by use of these bogus and UNCONSTITUTIONAL withdrawal of oil rich locations of animal preserves, monuments etc.by the federal Government. I guess I shouldn't hold my breath??? visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 14:04:30 -0700 From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SNET: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble' (fwd) - SNETNEWS Mailing List On 9 Jun 01, at 9:06, William Bacon wrote: Yes, How does steve wingate travel to the Grand Canyon?? In an environmentally approved manner? Or is he a hypocrite by driving a vehicle of some kind and burning fossil fuels? I never claimed that people should give up their cars, so how does that make me a hypocrite? That is ridiculous! And BTW, I flew, not drove. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddDh.b2FmzU Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
In a message dated 6/9/01 1:12:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? Excellent questions!!! Will await answers... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
I think it has to do more with the fear of gestappoism than freedoms. - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disturbing In a message dated 6/9/01 1:12:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? Excellent questions!!! Will await answers... Bill.
[CTRL] Defense Chiefs Exempted From Conflict Of Interest Rules
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/06/09/MN115342.DTL Defense chiefs get exempted from rule Conflict-of-interest waived for former execs Patrick J. Sloyan, Newsday Saturday, June 9, 2001 Washington -- Former defense company executives who now head the Navy and Air Force will be exempted from a federal law that prohibits them from dealing with their former employers for one year, according to aides to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The aides said waivers of the federal conflict-of-interest statute will be issued for Navy Secretary Gordon England, who served as General Dynamics Corp. 's executive vice president, and Air Force Secretary James Roche, who was president of a Northrop-Grumman Corp. division that equips the service's B-2 Spirit stealth bombers and the new fighter-bomber, the F-22 Raptor. England and Roche will have a major say in U.S. weapons purchases from General Dynamics and Northrop-Grumman, as well as in the companies' defense research. The two contractors already get a combined $8 billion a year in Pentagon contracts. During their confirmation hearings, the nominees pledged to expand ship, aircraft and weapon programs that would benefit the two defense firms as well as employment in some of the states of members of the Senate's Armed Services Committee. Federal conflict-of-interest law calls for a "cooling off" period of one year for all new federal workers regarding contracts and other actions affecting previous employers. Fines, dismissal and other penalties could be imposed for federal employees who violate the law. Initially, Rumsfeld's aides said that England and Roche would not need a waiver from the law because it would not apply to them. In response to repeated questions, however, the aides said waivers would be necessary. Otherwise, the civilian leaders would be forced to recuse themselves from major Navy and Air Force programs, thus crippling their policy directions. The law allows a waiver to be granted only if the defense secretary finds an exemption is "in the best interest of the United States." A Rumsfeld spokeswoman, Air Force Lt. Col. Willete Carter, said the waivers will be part of the divestiture of defense industry investments required by the Senate Armed Services Committee. Both England and Roche are multimillionaires from salary and stock options from their companies. President Bush's nomination of former defense contractors to key Pentagon jobs has dismayed some career employees of the Defense Department who contend daily with substandard weapons and cost overruns by the defense industry. The Bush administration is considering tapping a Lockheed-Martin Corp. vice president, Albert Smith, as chief of acquisitions for the controversial missile defense program. Smith's company currently gets $19 billion a year from the Pentagon and is a leader in space technology. Last week, Bush named two other defense industry executives to Pentagon jobs. They are Michael Wynne, to be deputy undersecretary for acquisitions, and George Williams, to be assistant secretary of the Army for acquisitions. Wynne worked for General Dynamics and Lockheed-Martin before heading a software business that had Pentagon contracts. Williams was president of the Alabama defense contractor Colsa Corp.
[CTRL] A-Hole Ashcroft's Hard Line On Hardcore
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44398,00.html Ashcroft's Hard Line on Hardcore By Declan McCullagh 2:00 a.m. June 9, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- Look out, Internet sextrepreneurs: John Aschroft wants you to serve hard time. In explicit terms, the attorney general told Congress this week that hardcore sex sites would no longer be selling peeks at balloon-breasted babes. "I am concerned about obscenity and I'm concerned about obscenity as it relates to our children," Ashcroft said in his first appearance before the House Judiciary Committee. He said Justice Department prosecutors would help state officials imprison sex-site operators that feature obscene images: "We try to be especially accommodating to local law enforcement to assist them, and I would think that would be an objective of ours in this respect." A number of Republicans asked Ashcroft to pledge to prosecute raunch and ribaldry, but Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia -- who also, unbelievably, is co-chair of the Internet Caucus -- was the most persistent. "The failure of the (Clinton) administration to enforce those laws has led to a proliferation of obscenity, both online and off," Goodlatte said. "And I am particularly concerned about the safety of our children on the Internet, where they're subjected to child pornography and solicitation in a massive way." Asked Goodlatte: "I'd like to know to what extent the Justice Department will use its resources to assist state and local enforcement in combating this cyberattack on our nation's children." Goodlatte was also a big fan of the Communications Decency Act, which the Supreme Court tossed out in 1997 as an affront to free speech. Obscenity, which the Supreme Court ruled is not protected by the First Amendment, is textual or graphical material that appeals to someone's "prurient interest," runs afoul of local community standards, and lacks any literary, artistic, political or scientific value.
[CTRL] Bohemian Club
Sahttp://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=45802group=webcastn Francisco Bohemian Club: Power, Prestige and Globalism (english) by Peter Phillips 2:23am Sat Jun 9 '01 (Modified on 11:31am Sat Jun 9 '01) July 14th 2001 is the first day of summer camp for the world's business and political aristocracy and their invited guests at Bohemian Grove, 70 miles north of San Francisco in California's Sonoma County. MEN ONLY. 2,000 to 3,000 men will gather off-the-record with ex-presidents, corporate leaders and global financiers. Most Californian, several hundred are from 35 states and a dozen foreign countries. 1/5 are directors of Fortune1000 companies,CEOs, governmental officials (current and former) and/or members of policy councils or major foundations. San Francisco Bohemian Club: Power, Prestige and Globalism By Peter Phillips For much of the world, July 14th is celebrated as the end of a flagrantly out of touch French monarchy; the date in 1789 when the people of Paris rose up and marched on the Bastille, a state prison that symbolized the absolutism and arbitrariness of the Ancient Regime. July 14th 2001 is, ironically, also the first day of summer camp for the world's business and political aristocracy and their invited guests. Between 2,000 to 3,000 men will gather at Bohemian Grove, 70 miles north of San Francisco in California's Sonoma County-to sit around the campfire and chew the fat-off-the-record-with ex-presidents, corporate leaders and global financiers. One might imagine modern-day aristocrats like Henry Kissinger, George W. Bush, and Donald Rumsfeld amid a circle of friends sipping cognac and discussing how the "unqualified" masses cannot be trusted to carry out policy, and how elites must set values that can be translated into "standards of authority." Private men's clubs, like the San Francisco Bohemian Club, have historically represented institutionalized race, gender and class inequality. English gentlemen's clubs emerged during Great Britain's empire building period as an exclusive place free of troublesome women, under-classes, and non-whites. Men's clubs were the place where English elites could co-mingle in homogeneous harmony. Copied in the United States, elite private men's clubs served the same self-celebration purposes as their English counterparts. As metropolitan areas emerged, upper-crust white males created new clubs throughout the Americas. These private men's clubs continued the European traditions of elitism, race superiority and gender exclusion. The San Francisco Bohemian Club was formed in 1872 as a gathering place for newspaper reporters and men of the arts and literature. By the 1880s local businessmen joined the Club in large numbers, quickly making business elites the dominant group. More than 2,500 men are members today. Most are from California, while several hundred originate from some 35 states and a dozen foreign countries. About one-fifth of the members are either directors of one or more of the Fortune 1000 companies, corporate CEOs, top governmental officials (current and former) and/or members of important policy councils or major foundations. The remaining members are mostly regional business/legal elites with a small mix of academics, military officers, artists, or medical doctors. With a historically all white membership, the Bohemian Club became sensitive to civil rights issues in the 1960s and gradually admitted a few men of color. Today they remain 99% white. The Club does continue to maintain its exclusive gender practices. Other then allowing women to work in food service, the shooting range and the parking lot at the Grove-which was forced on them by the California Supreme Court-they have remained defiantly a male-only organization. Class discrimination continues as well. New Club applicants must be sponsored by two existing members before being considered for admittance. THEIR 2000+ ACRE FEUDAL ARISTOCRATIC ESTATE IN SONOMA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, NEAR MONTE RIO By the early 1880s, Bohemian Club members began conducting summer camping trips to the Sonoma County redwoods. The summer encampments proved so popular that the Club began purchasing land along the Russian River in 1899.*** By the 1960s the Bohemian Club owned 2,712 acres, including a 1,500-year-old grove of redwoods, adjacent to the small town of Monte Rio. The Bohemian Grove summer encampments have become one of the most famous private men's retreats in the world. Club members and several hundred world-class guests gather annually in the last weeks of July to recreate what has been called "the greatest men's party on earth." Spanning three weekends, the outdoor event includes lectures, entertainment, rituals, plays, theater, friendship re-affirmations, lots of hosted camp parties, political discussions, sideline business meetings and huge amounts of food and alcohol. Bohemian Grove offers daily lectures known as "lakeside chats." ***The Under-Secretary of the Navy may
[CTRL] Col. L. Fletcher Prouty Has Died
-Caveat Lector- Col. Prouty was a *true* patriot. He sided with the American people and against the secret government that rules this country. He will be greatly missed. Col. L. Fletcher Prouty -- Jan 24th 1917 - June 5th 2001 http://www.prouty.org/ Len Osanic Eulogizes Col. L. Fletcher Prouty I regret to announce the passing of Fletcher Prouty June 5th 2001. Fletch as most close friends called him was a man of rare qualities. I was lucky enough to become one of his good friends. I treasured every conversation we had. Fletcher was very hard working and to his wife's lament never knew the word Retirement. After his service in the Pentagon, by accident he stumbled into a writing career that will keep his wisdom and spirit alive for years to come. Fletcher wrote, lectured, spoke on Radio shows, and was on Television many times, often regarding political intrigue from Watergate to the JFK Assassination. Of course he worked with Oliver Stone, Jim Garrison, and Zachary Sklar on the film JFK Fletcher Prouty was one of the most warm and amiable men you could ever meet. Almost endlessly, people from around the world came to visit and interview him. All you had to do was ask and he would give of his time. It will be his selfless and dogged effort to educate and inform that I feel he will be remembered for. For there was much opposition to the ideas Fletcher wrote about. Whenever I was at his upstairs office at his home there was always a stack of letters that he would be replying to. Not a few, but a stack! He wrote two books and close to 100 articles for various publications. I know he was very proud of everything thing he had written, but especially his two books, The Secret Team, and JFK, Vietnam the CIA, and the plot to assassinate JFK. He had a wisdom that inspired many to look behind the story. This came out in his writing, the idea that things were so many times not what they were reported by news organizations. In response (or retaliation) he had suffered personal attacks in the press, but told me several times he was just trying to level the playing field. He was truly a man of his convictions. He will be remembered for his integrity and courage. Fletcher Prouty was the most intelligent man I knew. He was always up on current events, yet he had a strange habit these days. He never watched TV. And through a few phone calls to his network of associates and friends thoughout the world, he seemed to be better off and more informed than most which is a sad state for the news coverage today. The power or articulation was another of Fletcher's gifts. He could speak at great lengths without having to correct himself or backtracking, which made him very easy to listen to. He was very organized with his thoughts and those of us who sat through long conversations can attest to his attention to detail in describing events of the cold war period. I consider myself a better person for knowing Fletcher Prouty. I am indebted to him for all his time he shared so unselfishly. He will be sorely missed. His Funeral will be at the Arlington National Cemetary July 6th 2001 1pm In lieu of flowers the family has asked to make a donation to a local Humane society Leonard Osanic The Col. L Fletcher Prouty Reference Site is a focal point where researchers can locate and retrieve articles, books, videos, and tapes on a variety of subjects which Fletcher has written and participated in. Col. Prouty spent 9 of his 23 year military career in the Pentagon (1955-1964): 2 years with the Secretary of Defense, 2 years with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and 5 years with Headquarters, U.S. Air Force. In 1955 he was appointed the first Focal Point officer between the CIA and the Air Force for Clandestine Operations per National Security Council Directive 5412. He was Briefing Officer for the Secretary of Defense (1960-1961), and for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. At times he would be called to meet with Allen Dulles and John Foster Dulles at their home on highly classified business. He was assigned to attend MKULTRA meetings. In this capacity Col. Prouty would be at the nerve center of the Military-Industrial Complex at a time unequalled in American History. He has written on these subjects, about the JFK assassination, the Cold War period, and Vietnamese warfare, and the existence of a Secret Team. He backs up his his work with seldom seen or mentioned official documents - some never before released. Fletcher Prouty offers a rare glimpse of the Power Elite as described by Buckminster Fuller, or The High Cabal as Winston Churchill refered to them; and how they really operate. Those who have not been in a position to witness events such as these from the inside would not understand how invisible but ultimately effective they and their power structures are. Len Osanic Web site administrator MARtin F. ABErnathy -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] A
[CTRL] Croatia Secretly Sells Israel S-300 Anti-Aircraft System
http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2001/june/06_08_3.html CROATIA SECRETLY SELLS ISRAEL S-300 SYSTEM LONDON [MENL] -- Croatia has secretly sold Israel an advanced S-300 anti-aircraft system. The London-based A-Sharq Al Awsat said Croatia bought the S-300 system from Russia in 1995 for $19 million. Israel, the newspaper said, financed the deal and the system was then taken out of Croatia to the Jewish state. Israel turned to Croatia, the newspaper said, because it could not purchase the system directly from Moscow, a major supplier of weapons to Arab states. Russia has been offering the S-300 to such countries as Iran, Libya and Syria. Croatian authorities are now conducting an investigation into how the S-300 was smuggled out of the country. The newspaper said the sale and delivery of the system took place during the regime of the late President Franjo Tudjman.
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/9/01 6:37:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. I replaced all my incandescents with fluorescent bulbs a good 10 years ago, and I've paid for all of them without any help from the government. Socialists are incapable of doing anything without government direction and funding. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Sex And Murder By AIDS In SF - Sex Clubs Go Unmonitored
From: Aleisha Saba Wonder if PeeWee Herman has a membership or Rosie O'Donnell.. Paul Reubens aka "Pee Wee Herman" is not gay... Point of fact, he was arrested for masturbating in a public movie theater that was showing heterosexual XXX-rated movies... June Check out Alternative Kite radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] MRC: Dan Rather; Onset of Senility, or Rather Reveals Truth on TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Rather wants people to love him - Then I remember what he had done to Nixon with a personal vendetta when he said how much will it take to push this man over the edge People will not forgive him for his sinister attack on the President of the United States... Nakano comments: Dan Rather played a part in another sinister attack on a different President. According to his own report and his own book, Dan Rather was the only news reporter who was an eyewitness to the assassination of John Kennedy. The other reporters were riding several cars back in the motorcade. They had not turned the corner into Dealey Plaza in time to see the shooting. But Dan Rather wasn't in the motorcade. He was standing on the sidewalk on the north side of Elm street just before the triple underpass of Stemmons Freeway. Several hours after the assassination Dan Rather told his story to the nation on the CBS Radio Network. Rather said he had a direct and clear unobstructed view and that he was looking directly at President Kennedy when he was shot. Rather stated that the impact of the shots threw Kennedy violently forward, and almost into the seat in front of him. It's curious that Rather's report supported the official story (and the Warren Commission Report), that John Kennedy had been shot from behind. But Dan Rather did not tell it the way it was. The famous Zapruder film of the assassination very clearly shows that President Kennedy was thrown BACK AND TO HIS LEFT. At no time was he thrown forward as Rather reported. (Of course, the public was not allowed to see that film until several years later.) That false report launched Dan Rather's career on a meteoric rise. CBS promoted him from an obscure job in Houston to become the CBS White House Correspondent! He was the CBS man at Lyndon Johnson's White House until he became a co-host on the CBS Program 60 Minutes. Then when Walter Cronkite retired, CBS gave Rather the top job in the network. Dan Rather lied to America at a critical moment in our national life. The Zapruder film proves this. For this he should not be forgiven. Rather wrote a book about his career during those years. There is grim irony in the title of his book. The Camera Doesn't Blink. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/9/01 11:12:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? Personally, I don't want to have pay part of the medical for keeping you hooked up to machines when you are brain dead from ODing on recreational pharmaceuticals. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) FEAR: Postal Service Has Its Eye on You
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Postal Service Has Its Eye on You By John Berlau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since 1997, the U.S. Postal Service has been conducting a customer-surveillance program, 'Under the Eagle's Eye,' and reporting innocent activity to federal law enforcement. Remember Know Your Customer? Two years ago the federal government tried to require banks to profile every customer's normal and expected transactions and report the slightest deviation to the feds as a suspicious activity. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. withdrew the requirement in March 1999 after receiving 300,000 opposing comments and massive bipartisan opposition. But while your bank teller may not have been snooping and snitching on your every financial move, your local post office has been (and is) watching you closely, Insight has learned. That is, if you have bought money orders, made wire transfers or sought cash cards from a postal clerk. Since 1997, in fact, the window clerk may very well have reported you to the government as a suspicious customer. It doesn't matter that you are not a drug dealer, terrorist or other type of criminal or that the transaction itself was perfectly legal. The guiding principle of the new postal program to combat money laundering, according to a U.S. Postal Service training video obtained by Insight, is: It's better to report 10 legal transactions than to let one illegal transaction get by. Many privacy advocates see similarities in the post office's customer-surveillance program, called Under the Eagle's Eye, to the Know Your Customer rules. In fact, in a postal-service training manual also obtained by Insight, postal clerks are admonished to know your customers. Both the manual and the training video give a broad definition of suspicious in instructing clerks when to fill out a suspicious activity report after a customer has made a purchase. The rule of thumb is if it seems suspicious to you, then it is suspicious, says the manual. As we said before, and will say again, it is better to report many legitimate transactions that seem suspicious than let one illegal one slip through. It is statements such as these that raise the ire of leading privacy advocates on both the left and right, most of whom didn't know about the program until asked by Insight to comment. For example, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who led the charge on Capitol Hill against the Know Your Customer rules, expressed both surprise and concern about Under the Eagle's Eye. He says the video's instructions to report transactions as suspicious are the reverse of what the theory used to be: We were supposed to let guilty people go by if we were doing harm to innocent people when the methods of trying to apprehend criminals violated the rights of ordinary citizens. Paul says he may introduce legislation to stop Under the Eagle's Eye. The same sort of response came from another prominent critic of Know Your Customer, this time on the left, who was appalled by details of the training video. The postal service is training its employees to invade their customers' privacy, Greg Nojeim, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union Washington National Office, tells Insight. This training will result in the reporting to the government of tens of thousands of innocent transactions that are none of the government's business. I had thought the postal-service's eagle stood for freedom. Now I know it stands for, 'We're watching you!' But postal officials who run Under the Eagle's Eye say that flagging customers who do not follow normal patterns is essential if law enforcement is to catch criminals laundering money from illegal transactions. The postal service has a responsibility to know what their legitimate customers are doing with their instruments, Al Gillum, a former postal inspector who now is acting program manager, tells Insight. If people are buying instruments outside of a norm that the entity itself has to establish, then that's where you start with suspicious analysis, suspicious reporting. It literally is based on knowing what our legitimate customers do, what activities they're involved in. Gillum's boss, Henry Gibson, the postal-service's Bank Secrecy Act compliance officer, says the anti-money-laundering program started in 1997 already has helped catch some criminals. We've received acknowledgment from our chief postal inspector that information from our system was very helpful in the actual catching of some potential bad guys, Gibson says. Gillum and Gibson are proud that the postal service received a letter of commendation from then-attorney general Janet Reno in 2000 for this program. The database system the postal service developed with Information Builders, an information-technology consulting firm, received an award from Government Computer News in 2000 and was a finalist in the government/nonprofit category for the 2001 Computerworld Honors Program. An Information Builders
[CTRL] Benzodiazepines and anti-depressants
-Caveat Lector- http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.irelandonsunday.com/action.asp?id=2580news_id=ireland (login leviathan password leviathan) STRETCHED OUT on one side of his living room couch, bestselling author Paddy Doyle looks drained. He is paler, more tired and more subdued than those who have met him before would expect. Doctors continue to prescribe addictive tranquillisers. Nowit's claimed the new anti-depressants may be equally damaging A sufferer of Idiopathic Torsion Dystonia from the age of eight, his condition leaves his entire body in constant spasm and has been likened by neurologists to doing an eight-hour gym workout every day of his life. In recent weeks, however, he has begun a struggle which, he says, is worse than those he endured due to his disability or during his time in an horrific regime as an orphan in an industrial school - chronicled in his book, The God Squad. Paddy is trying to beat a 40-year drug dependency which has been legitimated by the medical profession. Given that his condition has no known cure and no certain cause, it is surprising that he has spent 42 years on benzodiazepines, highly addictive drugs which are supposed to be prescribed for only four weeks at a time. In recent weeks, he has broken down crying for no particular reason, a symptom he says is born of frustration and the effects of withdrawing from the drugs. He turned 50 a fortnight ago and, while his wife Eileen says he is not the sort of person interested in a big bash, he was not up to partying anyway. In use since the late 1950s, benzodiazepines are used as either tranquillisers or sleeping pills. Warning As long ago as 1988, the British medical authorities were warning GPs that, due to the addictive nature of the drugs, they were not to be prescribed for longer than four weeks. A number of circulars from Department of Health chief medical officer Dr Jim Kiely in recent years have similarly warned Irish doctors about the dangers of benzodiazepines. According to GMS Payments Board figures, however, the numbers of prescriptions written for benzodiazepines has only fallen slightly in recent years. In 1995, a whooping 848,000 prescriptions were handed to public patients by doctors, not taking into account prescriptions filled by those without medical cards. In 1999, the last year for which figures are available, over 805,000 similar prescriptions were dispensed. In fact, the number of prescriptions for the well known sleeping tablet, Valium (diazepam) increased over that four-year period from 306,000 to 336,000. In Britain, between one million and one-and-a-half million repeat prescriptions for benzodiazepines are written every year. Like Paddy Doyle, tens of thousands of Irish people face an addiction which is sanctioned by the medical profession. During all his 42 years on benzodiazepines, Doyle says he has never had a kidney or liver function test or had his heart checked for the effects. At one point, he was taking a cocktail of eight drugs three times a day, every day, three or four of which were benzodiazepines. No-one is supposed to be on more than one benzodiazepine at a time, he says. I was on three or four at the one time. Benzodiazepines can cause an awful lot of damage, including excess sweating, weight loss and mood swings. Some can even cause depression, it seems, while others aggravate spasticity (spasms). His decision to give up benzodiazepines came after his condition worsened and the medical profession were unable to help him. Having read up on the drugs, he decided enough was enough. Having begun to reduce his intake over a month ago, he says he is already feeling better and is less jumpy and jerky. It's not going to take me that long but I won't do anything reckless. I think I'll be far less prone to spasms and mood changes. A psychologist friend said to me: 'Paddy, one morning you're going to wake up and realise you have been asleep for 40 years.' It's important to stress that I never robbed a single pill from any hospital press or anything like that. This was medication handed to me by medical people, who told me it was going to fix me up. The brain is the most complicated computer known to man and yet we're dabbling with it every day of the week and know almost nothing about it. I think at this stage, having messed me around since the age of eight, it's time for the medical profession to put it right, or at least as right as they can. They turn people into drug addicts. It may even be worse then being on heroin or morphine. Magic When people are so vulnerable, they go to their doctors and say they are not feeling right and the doctors tell them they are depressed. They suggest taking these tablets for a month and tell you that if you're still feeling bad, you can try them for another month. But after four weeks, these things are useless, never mind for four months, four years or in my case, 40 years.
[CTRL] McVeigh on hunger strike?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_321613.html check out my website daily, http://leviathan.weblogs.com McVeigh starving to appear like martyr, say inmates Fellow death-row inmates claim Timothy McVeigh is starving himself so he will appear like a concentration camp victim when he is executed. They have told an internet site the bomber is on a vegetable diet and has slimmed down to appear like a martyr. McVeigh has decided against further appeals and is prepared to die on Monday for the Oklahoma City bombing. The bomber has given away his spare socks, T-shirts and pictures to fellow inmates and sent personal possessions home. David Hammer and Jeffrey Paul, who are on death-row with McVeigh at the federal jail in Terre Haute, Indiana, talk on the website Death Row Speaks. Hammer said of McVeigh: His face is pulled tight and his body is slim to the point of resembling a starved person. At 6ft 2ins he weighs 157lbs. All of this is by design, planned to the most minute detail. All for impression and purpose. Paul says an order has been given for all McVeigh's rubbish to shredded. He claimed: Apparently, a staff member was caught either smuggling things out of prison with McVeigh's name on it or trying to sell some things of his on the internet. McVeigh will be the first federal prisoner executed since 1963 when he is given a lethal injection on Monday, watched on CCTV by more than 200 witnesses and relatives of his 168 victims. _ Get your own FREE allofyourgodsaredead.com Email account at... http://www.evilemail.com http://allofyourgodsaredead.com - Someone had to tell you. _ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- Oh STEVE!! NOW YOU ARE GETTING DISGUSTING Is that the real you??? NO ONE SAYS THINGS LIKE THAT TO YOU!!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?? Sounds like it is time to take another LONG, LONG, LONG hike. And why didn't you like the first MEANINGFUL statement below??? I thought it was right on target. You believe all the environmental baloney. --- On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:35:09 -0700 Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 01, at 3:16, Amelia wrote: Didn't go to the Grand Canyon this weekend?. I was wondering if you hike all the way there and back, wearing all -manmade shoes and eating the local flora along the way in honor of your environmentalist beliefs. That is a silly and meaningless statement to make. Otherwise, it would be very hypocritical to bemoan the energy shortage in California while contributing to the problem. I fart in your face and will do so again after lighting it. What more do you want! Robert Klein said on a talk show last week he was just there and the waste of energy is appalling. That is interesting since many of the stores here are surprisingly dark due to ambient lighting changes based on solar and highly efficient halide vs. fluorescent lights. etc. Most stores have make significant changes you might not realize not living here, Amelia. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector-
Let them cry and let them go to jail!! I am TERRIBLY disappointed
in these immature kids who have not grown up enough to know that
you can have PLENTY of fun without drinking. SHAME on them!
And I am terribly disappointed that Laura Bush
did not raise them to know better than to embarrass their father like
this. I have NO sympathy. In my father's house WE KNEW that
we had better not do ANYTHING that would bring disgrace on
our name-and my father was just a little old coal miner!
All these kids, and those mentioned below are just undisciplined,
immature brats.
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:42:52 -0500 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-Caveat Lector-
{{Not only has Al Gore Jr. been arrested for pot, he was
driving in North Carolina 90 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. The
Officer contacted the governor and a deal was made and the
Gov. instructed that young Gore was NOT to be tested for drugs
nor alcohol. Discussed on CSpan and various news shows
recently. This in addition to his alcohol episodes in other
areas being hushed up. At least one of the Gore girls has
been arrested for marijuana also but not a word in the
mainstream media. Now they go after these girls like sharks!
Amazing! So does this mean we can now openly discuss Tipper's
'nervous breakdown' and subsequent 'hospitalization'? AKE}}
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Friday, June 8, 2001 5:02 p.m. EDT
Jenna Booze Buster: 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big
Trouble'
With first daughter Jenna Bush in tears, the manager at an
Austin Tex-Mex restaurant who called 911 on her and her twin
sister Barbara told police who responded to the scene: I want
them to get into big trouble, according to a police report on
the incident.
Austin police were summoned to Chuy's Restaurant on the night
of May 29 after manager Mia Lawrence used the police emergency
line to report that the 19-year-old twins were drinking
maragaritas.
According to the police record obtained Friday by the Austin
American-Statesman, Officer Clifford Rogers confiscated the ID
Jenna Bush presented to Chuy's waitstaff before being served.
She handed it over and started crying, the report indicates.
She then stated that I do not have any idea what it is like
to be a college student and not to be able to do anything that
other students get to do, Rogers wrote in his report.
In a separate report, Sgt. Rodney Keene detailed his
conversation with manager Lawrence around the same time.
Lawrence insisted on police action.
She said, 'I want them to get into big trouble,' Sgt. Keene
wrote.
Keene responded that police would handle the situation the
same way we would for any person under those circumstances,
which was to confiscate the fake ID and turn them loose.
Lawrence told detectives investigating the incident that she
wasn't responsible for notifying the media about the Bush
booze bust. She told me that a regular customer named Owen
(no last name available) ... had called the [Austin
American-]Statesman, Detective Mark Gil wrote in his report.
On Friday, Barbara Bush pleaded no contest to charges of
underage drinking, though sister Jenna pleaded not guilty. Her
decision to contest charges that she used fake ID to purchase
alcohol could expose Chuy's management to further scrutiny as
evidence mounts that the Bush twins were singled out.
In another development, the office of Austin's City Attorney
has deferred a decision on whether to release a tape recording
of Lawrence's controversial 911 complaint.
On Thursday the city's Law Department faxed news organizations
around the country, apprising them of its decision to withold
the 911 tape pending the outcome of legal proceedings against
the Bush sisters.
The recording could shed further light on the question of
whether Ms. Lawrence targeted the Bush sisters unfairly.
John Steiner, Division Chief at the City Attorney's office
would not say Friday when a final decision on the 911 tape
would come.
It depends, he told NewsMax.com, suggesting that unless the
Austin prosecutors win criminal convictions in the case, the
tape could be sealed forever.
Jenna's case is scheduled to be heard July 31.
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Re: [CTRL] Bohemian Club
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone have any knoledge of where this group has met before in other locations around the US? -thanks Dante A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
For a guy who claims Never to have name-called, and refuses to allow anyone on HIS list to do so, (especially when it is directed at him), your calling Amelia 'church lady' SURE sounds like an epithet. Let's get real juvenile, and start calling each other names now. Why care about punctuation when you don't care about your filthy language? Everyone here has heard those words, so your use of them is not all that impressive, but we DO NOT need to hear them here. Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 01, at 3:16, Amelia wrote: > And such language from someone who > sometimes makes statements purporting to speak for Christians. I have Never purported to speak for Christians, or even claimed to be one! (Naturally you will attempt to use that 'against' me. HA!) I think it would be great if Christ died for my sins, but I am more concerned that he died at all considering he was supposedly the Son of God (whoever God is, based on your religion I guess). And if you consider the word f**k to be 'such language', well thenI am sorry I have offended you, Church Lady! All I care about is getting the punctuation right. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org/A> DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl/A> To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector-
You have one fine nerve blaming Laura Bush.
I guess everyone in your household was perfect, and
did everything your parents expected.
However, some families simply do not work that way, and
some children simply do not do as expected, or instructed.
It's lamentable that you have no sympathy, I wish for you that
someday when you need it, there will be people there for you,
with some sympathy, and not say to you cry, and go to jail.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Let them cry and let them go to jail!! I am TERRIBLY disappointed
in these immature kids who have not grown up enough to know that
you can have PLENTY of fun without drinking. SHAME on them!
And I am terribly disappointed that Laura Bush
did not raise them to know better than to embarrass their father like
this. I have NO sympathy. In my father's house WE KNEW that
we had better not do ANYTHING that would bring disgrace on
our name-and my father was just a little old coal miner!
All these kids, and those mentioned below are just undisciplined,
immature brats.
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:42:52 -0500 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-Caveat Lector-
{{Not only has Al Gore Jr. been arrested for pot, he was
driving in North Carolina 90 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. The
Officer contacted the governor and a deal was made and the
Gov. instructed that young Gore was NOT to be tested for drugs
nor alcohol. Discussed on CSpan and various news shows
recently. This in addition to his alcohol episodes in other
areas being hushed up. At least one of the Gore girls has
been arrested for marijuana also but not a word in the
mainstream media. Now they go after these girls like sharks!
Amazing! So does this mean we can now openly discuss Tipper's
'nervous breakdown' and subsequent 'hospitalization'? AKE}}
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Friday, June 8, 2001 5:02 p.m. EDT
Jenna Booze Buster: 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big
Trouble'
With first daughter Jenna Bush in tears, the manager at an
Austin Tex-Mex restaurant who called 911 on her and her twin
sister Barbara told police who responded to the scene: I want
them to get into big trouble, according to a police report on
the incident.
Austin police were summoned to Chuy's Restaurant on the night
of May 29 after manager Mia Lawrence used the police emergency
line to report that the 19-year-old twins were drinking
maragaritas.
According to the police record obtained Friday by the Austin
American-Statesman, Officer Clifford Rogers confiscated the ID
Jenna Bush presented to Chuy's waitstaff before being served.
She handed it over and started crying, the report indicates.
She then stated that I do not have any idea what it is like
to be a college student and not to be able to do anything that
other students get to do, Rogers wrote in his report.
In a separate report, Sgt. Rodney Keene detailed his
conversation with manager Lawrence around the same time.
Lawrence insisted on police action.
She said, 'I want them to get into big trouble,' Sgt. Keene
wrote.
Keene responded that police would handle the situation the
same way we would for any person under those circumstances,
which was to confiscate the fake ID and turn them loose.
Lawrence told detectives investigating the incident that she
wasn't responsible for notifying the media about the Bush
booze bust. She told me that a regular customer named Owen
(no last name available) ... had called the [Austin
American-]Statesman, Detective Mark Gil wrote in his report.
On Friday, Barbara Bush pleaded no contest to charges of
underage drinking, though sister Jenna pleaded not guilty. Her
decision to contest charges that she used fake ID to purchase
alcohol could expose Chuy's management to further scrutiny as
evidence mounts that the Bush twins were singled out.
In another development, the office of Austin's City Attorney
has deferred a decision on whether to release a tape recording
of Lawrence's controversial 911 complaint.
On Thursday the city's Law Department faxed news organizations
around the country, apprising them of its decision to withold
the 911 tape pending the outcome of legal proceedings against
the Bush sisters.
The recording could shed further light on the question of
whether Ms. Lawrence targeted the Bush sisters unfairly.
John Steiner, Division Chief at the City Attorney's office
would not say Friday when a final decision on the 911 tape
would come.
It depends, he told NewsMax.com, suggesting that unless the
Austin prosecutors win criminal convictions in the case, the
tape could be sealed forever.
Jenna's case is scheduled to be heard July 31.
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[CTRL] More land of the free-[Fwd: Postal Service Has Its Eye on You]]
- SNETNEWS Mailing List Postal Service Has Its Eye on You By John Berlau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since 1997, the U.S. Postal Service has been conducting a customer-surveillance program, Under the Eagles Eye, and reporting innocent activity to federal law enforcement. Remember Know Your Customer? Two years ago the federal government tried to require banks to profile every customers normal and expected transactions and report the slightest deviation to the feds as a suspicious activity. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. withdrew the requirement in March 1999 after receiving 300,000 opposing comments and massive bipartisan opposition. But while your bank teller may not have been snooping and snitching on your every financial move, your local post office has been (and is) watching you closely, Insight has learned. That is, if you have bought money orders, made wire transfers or sought cash cards from a postal clerk. Since 1997, in fact, the window clerk may very well have reported you to the government as a suspicious customer. It doesnt matter that you are not a drug dealer, terrorist or other type of criminal or that the the transaction itself was perfectly legal. The guiding principle of the new postal program to combat money laundering, according to a U.S. Postal Service training video obtained by Insight, is: Its better to report 10 legal transactions than to let one illegal transaction get by. Many privacy advocates see similarities in the post offices customer-surveillance program, called Under the Eagles Eye, to the Know Your Customer rules. In fact, in a postal-service training manual also obtained by Insight, postal clerks are admonished to know your customers. Both the manual and the training video give a broad definition of suspicious in instructing clerks when to fill out a suspicious activity report after a customer has made a purchase. The rule of thumb is if it seems suspicious to you, then it is suspicious, says the manual. As we said before, and will say again, it is better to report many legitimate transactions that seem suspicious than let one illegal one slip through. It is statements such as these that raise the ire of leading privacy advocates on both the left and right, most of whom didnt know about the program until asked by Insight to comment. For example, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who led the charge on Capitol Hill against the Know Your Customer rules, expressed both surprise and concern about Under the Eagles Eye. He says the videos instructions to report transactions as suspicious are the reverse of what the theory used to be: We were supposed to let guilty people go by if we were doing harm to innocent people when the methods of trying to apprehend criminals violated the rights of ordinary citizens. Paul says he may introduce legislation to stop Under the Eagles Eye. The same sort of response came from another prominent critic of Know Your Customer, this time on the left, who was appalled by details of the training video. The postal service is training its employees to invade their customers privacy, Greg Nojeim, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union Washington National Office, tells Insight. This training will result in the reporting to the government of tens of thousands of innocent transactions that are none of the governments business. I had thought the postal-services eagle stood for freedom. Now I know it stands for, Were watching you! But postal officials who run Under the Eagles Eye say that flagging customers who do not follow normal patterns is essential if law enforcement is to catch criminals laundering money from illegal transactions. The postal service has a responsibility to know what their legitimate customers are doing with their instruments, Al Gillum, a former postal inspector who now is acting program manager, tells Insight. If people are buying instruments outside of a norm that the entity itself has to establish, then thats where you start with suspicious analysis, suspicious reporting. It literally is based on knowing what our legitimate customers do, what activities theyre involved in. Gillums boss, Henry Gibson, the postal-services Bank Secrecy Act compliance officer, says the anti-money-laundering program started in 1997 already has helped catch some criminals. Weve received acknowledgment from our chief postal inspector that information from our system was very helpful in the actual catching of some potential bad guys, Gibson says. Gillum and Gibson are proud that the postal service received a letter of commendation from then-attorney general Janet Reno in 2000 for this program. The database system the postal service developed with
Re: [CTRL] Troubles and makers
-Caveat Lector- OK Steve, whoever you really are. I guess some of my disinformation comes from YOU attempting to portray yourself as a gentleman, a reasonable person willing to discuss issues, and being intelligent. I was bamboozled by you on all 3 counts - your recent abusive behavior, nasty rudeness, far-left wing bias, and disruptive antics and the perversion of TWO post nets have painted a much more accurate picture of yourself. Time for you to move on and find some other sites to ruin, get the folks squabbling, and some new victims to abuse. Our country does need any more of your socialist, left wing propaganda. Your liberal ideas have gotten us EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY. You frequently tell people they are not informed, are mistaken, are not aware... etc. Try reading some books. Inform yourself. Find out what's going on. Wake up and Wise up. Your friend, BB Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 01, at 2:21, BB wrote: Sorry day when I cannot simply forward a post without you going ballistic on me. I was not replying to a post you forwarded, BB, whoever you really are. Get your disinformation straight. ;) Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- No, you are jumping to idiocy. This person documents an outrageous incident of violation of several Constitutional rights, and you BLAST him for it??? What side are you on, anyway? Maybe he should have thrown in a pro-drug plug just for you, and you would have applauded him for it. Why is it that when you complain, it is justifiable, but when some other citizen complains, he's 'whining?' hmm? What kind of person are you anyway?? Just want to stir things up? Get an argument going? Bust up the group? What? Hm??? I'll tell YOU who the self serving hypocrite appears to be.. ___ Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: CIA Director Casey and the Grove
Here is one item on Bohemian Club - and other data you can pull up re meetings, etc. I think it is just another masonic order essentially, and maybe like old Hells Fire Club - also believe they have the hearta of Paul Whitehead of this Club, code named Paul the Aged - the met in the caverns at High Wycombe in England and of course the famous 12 O'Clock High bomber pilots flew out of there over white cliffs of Dover singing Sky Lark and Blue Birds over White Cliffs of Dover? Caves were reopened by Dashwood descendets..but I do believe they have the heart of Paul Whitehead, who left his heart to the club when he died - and it was in an Urn which was stolen. Have the progoram from the caves and Hogarth prints showing these guys and they are a scream but also a front for intelligence work - made the place more like a brothel I believe to keep out enquiring mindssaid screams of ladies heard in the night... So this Bohemian Club - bunch of gypsies? Saba Other people probably have more on this but this item was a good oneinvolving our CIA but then, like Shriners - they need a playground too - right? http://www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/casey.html
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/10/2001 12:33:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, you are jumping to idiocy. This person documents an outrageous incident of violation of several Constitutional rights, and you BLAST him for it??? What side are you on, anyway? Maybe he should have thrown in a pro-drug plug just for you, and you would have applauded him for it. Why is it that when you complain, it is justifiable, but when some other citizen complains, he's 'whining?' hmm? What kind of person are you anyway?? Just want to stir things up? Get an argument going? Bust up the group? What? Hm??? I'll tell YOU who the self serving hypocrite appears to be.. Amen ! Bill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
Excellent questions? They are STUPID questions - posed for agitation only. You know they are not meant to be answered. If you lefty types have a gripe, act like men and post it, but don't try to look cute by talking big and abusing some soul who simply came to the group seeking information. I notice none of you heroes ever forwarded him the information he requested -- only abuse. I'll bet you were a bully in high school, also, weren't you? He didn't whine, he documented - he told you what happened. The issue was not religion, but abuse of power. Just remember something, when HIS freedom goes, so does YOURS. If you want to take more drugs, TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR GOVERNMENT, don't make an obnoxious nuisance of yourself in upsetting the list. Sounds to me that you are the self serving hypocrite, jumping on his issue, and bawling your own griefs on it. How do you know when he groans, or how many others he has helped? Jumping to conclusions? Appears more like Leaping to Lunacy. PS Have you sent him the info he requested yet? William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 6/9/01 1:12:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? Excellent questions!!! Will await answers... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
What in the world is the difference? Having gestapos means NO FREEDOM. Having FREEDOM means not having gestapos. Foxter wrote: I think it has to do more with the fear of gestappoism than freedoms. - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disturbing In a message dated 6/9/01 1:12:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? Excellent questions!!! Will await answers... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- kl, I did this about four years ago, too, totally without govt assistance for I am not a socialist. I also have 8 solar panels and a small windmill for a hybrid system which the local power company will NOT allow me to use without totally disconnecting from their system. There is a switch that would prevent and 'back up of current' through the main line connected to the utility but they are concerned that it would back up the utility line and 'possible injure a lineman who might be working on the line near my house.' In the three years I have lived here, I have never seen a single lineman. They do not understand solar/wind and do not want me to do this. I can only use it for totally free-standing (disconnected from utility) energy stored in a battery bank! Bummer! Hardly worth the effort but runs a small water pump and lighting for barn and kennel. I don't think people would mind selling electricity to California if the people there had not been lecturing the rest of the country on preserving the environment and boasting of their own superior efforts in this regard. It seems the height of arrogance to want their electricity to be produced elsewhere, in this case, Texas, and pollute where others live then DEMAND it be sold to them cheaply! I am going to write and ask that TVA not sell any to them because I do not want to be polluted so that Californians do not have to face the consequences of their actions. I know it has an impact nationally on the economy but I do not think it will have as much effect as Californians seem to think. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: kl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble' -Caveat Lector- On 9 Jun 2001, at 1:51, Steve Wingate wrote: And I just bought some high efficiency fluorescent replacements for my incandescents with a government rebate (evil communist socialism in your opinion, no doubt). Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. I replaced all my incandescents with fluorescent bulbs a good 10 years ago, and I've paid for all of them without any help from the government. -- Best Wishes What is a left socialist but a Marxist without a gun? -Don Feder A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Question for Techies
-Caveat Lector- The following is info back from my firewall. I think this is rather creepy sounding. Can anybody tell me anything about how to decode this or who/what this might be? I am assuming it is the name of some sort of program. At least I hope that is what it is. ~Amelia~ IP: 206.154.68.11 DNS: mail.bluefintech.net Node: OCTOPUS Group: BFT NetBIOS: OCTOPUSj MAC: 006097CECF72 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Audio Portion of Feeds to CNN Day Of Oklahoma City Bombing
-Caveat Lector- http:\\www.radiofreeomaha.com/oklahoma.mp3 Check out the documents too. http:\\www.radiofreeomaha.com Frog2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... http:\\www.radiofreeomaha.com/oklahoma.mp3 Email account furnished courtesy of AntiOnline - http://www.AntiOnline.com AntiOnline - The Internet's Information Security Super Center! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
-Caveat Lector- Hey, I know that is always the FIRST thought I have~~Now just how will this effect Nessie? Should I be concerned about this or is there some issue which effects Nessie about which I should be more concerned? That has got to be the most self-centered post I have ever seen! There are NO laws protecting the use nor right to use recreational drugs, other than alcohol within limits. We ARE supposed to have laws protecting freedom of religion. It was one of the bery basic tenets upon which this country was founded and so many have fought and died protecting. And THAT is why people are more concerned about this violation. There are no existing and in-place provisions for the use of drugs and I do not think many consider it a basic human right. I, too, think marijuana is probably less harmful than alcohol but that is NOT what the laws say. And I do not even recall seeing drug dealers treated as harshly as these people apparently attempting to engage in something that is supposedly protected by law. Or, if you prefer, everybody in the world is a misguided hypocrite except you and your equally charming, I am sure, friends of whom you often speak. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: BB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disturbing -Caveat Lector- No, you are jumping to idiocy. This person documents an outrageous incident of violation of several Constitutional rights, and you BLAST him for it??? What side are you on, anyway? Maybe he should have thrown in a pro-drug plug just for you, and you would have applauded him for it. Why is it that when you complain, it is justifiable, but when some other citizen complains, he's 'whining?' hmm? What kind of person are you anyway?? Just want to stir things up? Get an argument going? Bust up the group? What? Hm??? I'll tell YOU who the self serving hypocrite appears to be.. ___ Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- Sorry Mr. BB. I did not know that you too would be offended by the totally vulgar word f***. Maybe I should have said Pe G*d! I just love people being offended by asterisks. I would love to see your reaction to a real bad word actually spelled out, like goddamn. See you in church tomorrow. You will be there won't you?!! Steve On 9 Jun 01, at 21:52, BB wrote: Why care about punctuation when you don't care about your filthy language? Everyone here has heard those words, so your use of them is not all that impressive, but we DO NOT need to hear them here. ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'I Want Bush Girls to Get Into Big Trouble'
-Caveat Lector- On 10 Jun 01, at 0:43, Amelia wrote: I am going to write and ask that TVA not sell any to them because I do not want to be polluted so that Californians do not have to face the consequences of their actions. Please explain how dams operated by Tenessee Valley Authority cause pollution. Thanks. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
