date:20010911


-Caveat Lector-

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/anti_grav_010909.html

U.S. Has Heavily Researched Anti-Gravity, Book Says

By Bradley Perrett
Reuters
posted: 02:00 pm ET
09 September 2001


LONDON (Reuters) - The U.S. military may have conducted serious research into
anti-gravity based on Nazi studies, a top defense journalist suggests in a
new book.

In ``The Hunt for Zero Point,'' journalist Nick Cook says, based on a
decade's research, he believes by the 1950s the U.S. was seriously working on
anti-gravity ``electrogravitics'' technology, which would lift and propel
vehicles without wings or thrust.

``I feel intuitively that some vehicle has been developed, particularly given
that there is this wealth of scientific data out there, and the Americans
have never been slow to pick up on this sort of science,'' Cook, the
aerospace consultant for Jane's Defense Weekly, told Reuters in an interview.

Cook uncovered reports and sightings of a Nazi research device that had been
hidden in a remote part of Poland, where it had apparently been supplied with
great quantities of electricity -- which an electrogravitic experiment would
require.

Curiously, barely a hint of such Nazi research appeared after the war,
suggesting that whoever captured it -- probably the United States --
immediately stamped it ``secret,'' he said.

Cook noted that, as a respected expert, he is risking his reputation by
writing seriously about a technology associated with UFOs, which most
scientists dismiss as science fiction embraced by ``hocus-pocus'' believers.

The United States is known to have a huge budget for so called ``black
projects,'' because it spends more on defense than can be accounted for by
adding up the value of public programs.

Cook admitted he cannot produce a conclusive case. But that is the nature of
black projects, in which even the workers usually have no idea what they are
working on.

In 1947, amid the early craze of UFO reports, an air force general reported
on the possibility of the United States building disc-shaped objects with
extreme rates of climb and maneuverability but without noise or evident
propulsion.

In the mid 1950s electrogravitics was the subject of a few press reports,
including one that described work by most of the United States' major defense
contractors, Cook reported.

And then it all went quiet -- just as stealth technology suddenly disappeared
from view in the mid 1970s, only to re-emerge as operational aircraft in the
late 1980s.

Academic papers on the subject have mysteriously disappeared from libraries.

There is still no firm evidence that electrogravitics is more than science
fiction. Civilian scientists and amateurs have experimented with it, and
while some have reported success, no one seems to have reproduced their
results to prove that it works.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] north and co banned from costa rica


-Caveat Lector-

http://www.fair.org/issues-news/contra-crack.html



http://www.fair.org/extra/8910/north-banned.html

EXTRA! October/November 1989
Censored News: Oliver North  Co. Banned from Costa Rica
Few individuals fascinate the US media like Ollie North. Few subjects grab
more media attention than drugs. Few democracies win more media praise than
Costa Rica. Put these three into a single scandal and it spells Front Page
News, right? Wrong. What it spells is C-E-N-S-O-R-S-H-I-P.
In July, North and other major contragate figures were barred from Costa
Rica. The order was issued by none other than Costa Rican President Oscar
Arias. President Arias was acting on recommendations from a Costa Rican
congressional commission investigating drug trafficking.
The commission concluded that the contra re-supply network in Costa Rica
which North coordinated from the White House doubled as a drug smuggling
operation.
The narcotics commission started probing the contra network centered around
the northern Costa Rican ranch of US-born John Hull because of the quantity
and frequency of the shipment of drugs that passed through the zone.
North's personal notebook mentioned the necessity of giving Mr. Hull
protection. (San Juan Star, Puerto Rico, 7/22/89).
Investigators held North responsible for Gen. Manuel Noriega's participation
in the contra supply network, which opened the door to at least seven pilots
who trafficked in drugs while supplying arms to the contras. These requests
for contra help were initiated by Colonel North to General Noriega, the
commission reported. They opened a gate so their henchmen could utilize
[Costa Rican] territory for trafficking in arms and drugs. (Tico Times,
Costa Rica, 7/28/89).
Barred from Costa Rica along with North were Maj. Gen. Richard Secord,
former National Security Advisor John Poindexter, former US Ambassador to
Costa Rica, Lewis Tambs, and former CIA station chief in Costa Rica, Joseph
Fernandez. This winter Costa Rica's congress will vote on the permanent
implementation of the bannings. In an interview with Extra!, Costa Rican
Minister of Information, Jorge Urbina, stated: I can assure you that the
recommendations will pass nearly unanimously.
The Costa Rican government inquiry confirmed information aboutcontra/drug
links developed by independent journalists, lawyers,and a US Senate
subcommittee. Ollie North's notebooks contain dozens of references to
contra-related drug trafficking, includinga July 12, 1985 entry: $14
million to finance [arms] came from drugs. When high-ranking officials of
the Just Say No administration are banned-due to drug links-from the
country US editorial writers hail as Central America's leading democracy,
one might have expected major coverage. One would have been wrong. Although
a lengthy Associated Press wire report (7/22/89) carried the story into
virtually every newsroom in the US, major media largely ignored the story
or, like the Washington Post and Miami Herald, relegated it to in Brief
sections. The New York Time sand the three major TV networks failed to
mention it at all.
During a period when drug coverage reached hysterical proportions, when
Oliver North made news by lecturing campus audiences on the evils of drugs
and pledging to do anti-drug work in serving out his criminal sentence of
1500 hours of community service, most media could not find space to mention
the Costa Rica bannings. Even when President Bush, 17 other heads of state,
and many dozens of US reporters journeyed to Costa Rica in October to
celebrate 100 years of democracy, the story failed to attract interest.
It wasn't for lack of knowledge; FAIR provided information about
developments in the case to many national media (who'd already received the
original AP story). FAIR's Steve Rendall later contacted the three TV
networks, New York Times, and Washington Post to ask why the story had been
buried or ignored. Journalists offered no real answers.
Typical was the response from Walter Pincus of the Washington Post, who
stated, Just because a congressional commission in Costa Rica says
something, doesn't mean it's true. Ironically, through all the years that
wildly false statements by US officials on Central America have received
prominent uncritical coverage, these same media have responded to FAIR's
complaints thusly: When leaders of a democracy make statements, it's news
and we have to cover it. We aren't ruling on whether it's true or not.
If, as a media consumer, you would like your own explanations as to why the
following national media have buried the story, you could contact their
foreign desks. You might also ask your local media. (Final action on the
bannings by Costa Rica's congress is expected in February.)

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy

[CTRL] Suspected case of mad-cow disease found in Japan


-Caveat Lector-

Suspected case of mad-cow disease found in Japan

By ERIC PRIDEAUX, Associated Press

TOKYO (September 10, 2001 11:19 a.m. EDT) - Japan may have Asia's first
case of mad-cow disease, the government said Monday.

The government cited tainted feed from Europe as a possible cause.

Initial tests on the brain of a cow in Chiba prefecture east of Tokyo revealed
signs of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, better known as mad-cow
disease, the Ministry of Agriculture said.

Scientists believe the disease causes a similar fatal brain-wasting ailment in
humans.

More tests are needed to determine conclusively whether the cow was
infected with BSE, officials said. Earlier testing in August had come up
negative. The cow was slaughtered after mysteriously losing the ability to
stand in early August, the ministry said.

The Holstein probably was contaminated after eating feed that contained
animal parts, said Katsuaki Sugiura, another official at the Ministry of
Agriculture's animal health division.

Most imported feed used in Japan comes from the United States, Canada
and Australia - all believed to be free of mad-cow disease. However, some
feed was imported from European countries, including Denmark and Italy,
before a Japanese ban on European feed took effect this year, Sugiura said.


Milk produced by the 5-year-old Holstein already had been sold on the
market before the slaughter, but there was no danger to consumers, said
Norio Tsuruoka, an official at the Chiba prefectural office's stockbreeding
sanitation section.

He said it was not immediately clear where the milk had been marketed.
Chiba is a main supplier of agricultural products to Tokyo, which borders the
state on the west.

There are a total of about 100 cattle in Shiroi, the town where the cow was
found, including some 30 other cows at the same farm. Many have been
quarantined but none are thought to carry the disease, Tsuruoka said.
Officials have yet to decide whether to slaughter the other cattle.

Scientists believe humans can contract variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease,
the human equivalent of mad cow disease, by eating beef infected with BSE.
CJD kills its carrier by tearing holes in brain tissue.

Mad-cow disease is believed to be spread by recycling meat and bones
from infected animals back into cattle feed.

The first diagnosis of mad-cow disease in Britain in 1986 resulted in
wholesale herd slaughtering, mandatory testing and a European Union ban
on British beef exports. The EU ban on British beef has since been lifted.

As a precaution, Japan last year banned beef from the European Union and
food made from processed beef and bull sperm.

Health experts here had boasted that high standards of cleanliness at
Japanese cattle ranches would protect the country from exposure to the brain-
eating disease.

Japan also restricted donations of blood from people who lived in Britain,
where more than 100 people have been diagnosed with variant CJD since
1980.

We must now ask ourselves if our previous way of thinking was wrong, if
there were factors we hadn't foreseen, said Kiyoshi Onodera, deputy
division chief at the Ministry of Agriculture's animal health division.

No cases of variant CJD have turned up in the United States.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] WWII Losses

2001-09-11 Thread inri


-Caveat Lector-

 FWIW, according to R.E. and T.N. Dupuy's _Encyclopedia of Military
 History_, 2nd Revised ed., p. 1198, the number of WWII *military dead*

well, of course, i was speaking of military  civilian. goddamn you making
me actually check my sources...

the encarta encyclopedia, some kind of digital version done in 97 by, yes,
microsoft, says:

The human cost of the war fell heaviest on the USSR, for which the official
total, military and civilian, is given as more than 20 million killed. The
Allied military and civilian losses were 44 million; those of the Axis, 11
million. The military deaths on both sides in Europe numbered 19 million and
in the war against Japan, 6 million. The U.S., which had no significant
civilian losses, sustained 292,131 battle deaths and 115,187 deaths from
other causes. The highest numbers of deaths, military and civilian, were as
follows: USSR more than 13,000,000 military and 7,000,000 civilian; China
3,500,000 and 10,000,000; Germany 3,500,000 and 3,800,000; Poland 120,000
and 5,300,000; Japan 1,700,000 and 380,000; Yugoslavia 300,000 and
1,300,000; Romania 200,000 and 465,000; France 250,000 and 360,000; British
Empire and Commonwealth 452,000 and 60,000; Italy 330,000 and 80,000;
Hungary 120,000 and 280,000; and Czechoslovakia 10,000 and 330,000.

 USA--292,100

yes, it seems my memory was off quite a bit here..

 Britain--397,762 (less than half their WWI loss)

i could've sworn i read somewhere that it was close to 10 million including
the commonwealth, but, i can't prove it so i must concede an error here as
well.

 USSR--7,500,000 (includes @ 2,000,000 POWs died in captivity)

i refuse to concede this or

 China--500,000 (undoubtedly higher but most Chinese dead were civilians)

[although i was a bit off] or

the japanese attack on china was just brutal - perhaps that book only
measured from the traditional beginning of the war in '39? the war in the
east actually started in '31, i believe, and perhaps that is the source of
the rather larger discrepancy. or maybe you just missed the 3 :) russia,
also, was just completely mangled in every which way for the first chunk, my
own personal belief being that 13 million military is a lower end estimate.
remember who those numbers came from and their motives - it was essential to
stalinism to keep the people under the belief that they lived in the
greatest country in the world. defeat was impossible, statistics routinely
skewed to show superiority, etc.if [if]*stalin* said 13 million, it was
probably closer to 130.

 Germany--2,850,000

again, slightly off once you add in civilians.

 Italy--77,500
 Italy--1,506,000

why italy twice?

 I've seen somewhat different figures for many of the above.  Calculations
 can vary depending on whether or which categories of non-combat deaths
 (disease, death in captivity) or missing are included or excluded.

fair enough.

inri
np:

http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/

I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family. - george w. bush

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit


-Caveat Lector-

thew wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 jews arent white

 if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european ruling
 culture

This is not true anymore. Jews were allowed to become White Guys with the
civil rights movement in the 60's. Only after that did they get into elite
positions in government and Big Biz.

J2


 race is all bullshit anyway
 -- -- --  -- --
 Planet spins - so do I
neo-sufi wisdom

 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew

  From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:43:11 -0700
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  At 11:52 PM 9/8/01 -0400, thew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  ive' known blond jews - plenty of them
  -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --
   -- - -- -
 
 
 
  Nonetheless, the fact remains that blond, nordic, scandanavian, etc.
  are racial code words that the left uses to impute whiteness and it's
  political attributes  (white skin privilege, white racism, white
  supremacists) to those of European origin identified as enemies of the left.
 
  Blond Jews are never identified as white, unless the left is seeking to
  undermine or discredit them.
 
  Hillary's onetime political guru, Michael Lerner, published an essay in his
  magazine, Tikkun, entitled Jews are not White.  Get it?
 
  He wrote that for your education.
 
  DBC

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] a core Commie belief


-Caveat Lector-

Damian B. Cooper wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 At 06:55 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

 
 It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof.
 But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER
 STRUCTURE
 and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous,
 unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed
 to do.
 
 So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it
 serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a
 monopoly.
 

 This idiotic proposition seems to be the foundation for a lot of the hard
 left's belief system:

 Only the majority can be racists
 Only minorities can be victims

I'm not talking about racism. I'm talking about power. And considering that the
power structure has always been white, and has always exploited non whites as
slaves and cheap labor ( yes, and poor whites too,) then my argument stands.


 I would like to know what is historical origin of this notion?

The US Constitution.


 It seems to me that it at least mirrors Lenin's dichotomizing of the
 Russian revolutionists into
 Bolsheviks (majority) and Mensheviks (minority), but in a paradoxically
 reversed way.

I don't know nor care about what Lenin says. Majorities always have at least
the potential of mass power.

J2


 I doubt that Lenin thought it up himself.  Whose idea was he spouting?

 DBC

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Video Suicide Note Ends Calif. Murder Spree


-Caveat Lector-

Monday September 10 8:16 PM ET

Video Suicide Note Ends Calif. Murder Spree

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - A disgruntled California security guard
suspected of murdering five people in a weekend rampage killed himself
early on Monday after a wild shoot-out with police that injured two others,
officials said.

Joseph Ferguson, 20, was found slumped over the wheel of a car stolen from
his final two victims -- a couple he terrorized and forced to make a video of
his final angry words to the world before shooting the husband to death. He
released the wife with instructions to hand the video over to police.

``I giveth and I taketh,'' a grim-looking Ferguson said in the video, portions of
which were released by police on Monday. ''And that's how it goes in
this...life.''

Sacramento County Sheriff Lou Blanas said Ferguson -- described by police
as a troubled man with possible links to white supremacist groups -- had
looked ready to launch an even more horrific bloodbath.

``The guy's a nut. He was bent on killing more people, and thank God that we
were able to stop him,'' Blanas told reporters. ``He had all kinds of weapons --
 AK-47s, handguns, shotguns, you name it,'' Blanas said.

The violent end to Ferguson's crime spree came just 11 days after the
capture of another Sacramento-area man, 27-year-old Nikolay Soltys, who
had sparked a nationwide manhunt after allegedly stabbing six family
members to death, including his pregnant wife and three-year-old son.

Police said Ferguson was suspended from his job at Burns International
Security last week for apparently vandalizing the car of his former girlfriend,
another Burns employee, who had recently broken off their relationship.

On Saturday, Ferguson made threatening phone calls to former co-workers --
marking the start of what police say was a 24-hour trail of terror that wound
through some of the same neighborhoods still reeling from the Soltys case.

Late on Saturday, police were alerted to gunfire at a city equipment yard,
where two female Burns Security employees, including the former girlfriend,
were found shot and killed inside a guard booth.

SHOOTING AT MARINA

Shortly after that more shooting was reported at a nearby marina, where two
other people, including one Burns Security guard and a man later identified
as a city employee, were killed, police said.

``These victims as well received multiple wounds, also it appeared that an
automatic assault weapon was used,'' Sacramento Police Chief Arturo
Venegas said on Monday.

In a stolen security truck, Ferguson then apparently drove to the city zoo,
where he cornered yet another Burns Security employee. Instead of killing
her, Ferguson is said to have left her handcuffed to a tree and drove off in her
car.

Police say Ferguson then drove to the home of a Burns supervisor and took
the man and his wife hostage, holding them for some 12 hours.

After tying up and gagging the man, Ferguson forced the woman to make a
video tape in which he outlined his plans to kill police officers and Burns
employees and vowed to commit suicide to avoid capture.

``For all the victims I apologize to your families,'' Ferguson said in the video.

``Obviously it don't mean ... to you ... You'd just as soon see I die so I'm gonna
see fit that that happens ... either a bullet to my brain or ... cops will kill me.''

After releasing the woman with instructions to give the video to police,
Ferguson then took off in the couple's car and was eventually sighted late on
Sunday evening by a motorist who called police.

The shoot-out Ferguson had apparently prepared for came quickly.

California Highway Patrol units, responding to the motorist's alert, launched a
high-speed chase and eventually cornered Ferguson in a restaurant parking
lot, engaging in a gunbattle in which one CHP officer and a passing motorist
were wounded, police said.

Police said on Monday that Ferguson had compared himself to Soltys and
Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites), and that police
had found white supremacist literature and a cache of weapons in a search
of his home.

``We recovered at that time an extensive amount of weaponry, including
some very disturbing literature ... that provided us with a good idea of his
state of mind,'' Venegas said, adding that Ferguson had vowed he was
``going to go out in a bigger way than Soltys and McVeigh.''

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no

Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit


-Caveat Lector-

Damian B. Cooper wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 At 06:29 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-
 
 thew wrote:
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  ive' known blond jews - plenty of them
 
 In case you haven't noticed, Cooper is racist.

 No. I haven't noticed that Cooper is a racist.  I have noticed that
 Nurev Ind. is a libeler, a name-caller, and a defamer.

Ouch! That hurts coming from a racist.

 Hence the notion that
 insulting blonds is equal to insulting white christians. I am a blond
 Jew. I wasn't insulted by the reference to blond-ism,
 but that isn't really the same.
 

 You weren't insulted because you're not white.
 Jews are not white.

Of course Jews are White. They are as  caucasian  as any other White group.
Only Christian bigots considered them non-white.

 I didn't say that.  Adolf Hitler didn't say that.  David Duke didn't say that.

 Hillary's guru and Jewish supremacist Michael Lerner said that in his
 publication Tikkun.

So? Who the hell is Lerner?

 Poor White Guys. The erosion of their power is scary. Life is sure
 tough these days.

 True. True. True.
 And us Poor White Guys know that our disempowerment is premeditated and
 intended.

Perpetrated by Rich White Guys.

 And we know that people like you rejoice in our disempowerment.

Oh the joy.

 And we know that you rejoice in our disempowerment because you are a bigot.

You poor white guys don't have any power. Never did. You're just afraid to
lose your illusions of power.

 Next thing you know someone will try to give blond
 blue eyed Aryans a bad name.
 

 You are suggesting that blond blue eyed people have a bad name?
 How long have you harbored this negative racist stereotype of blond blue
 eyed people?

Some of my best friends are blond blue eyed people. Including my kid, and
myself.

 Have you sought counseling to overcome this inexplicable and ignorant bigotry.

Nah.

J2

 DBC

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit

2001-09-11 Thread Amelia

-Caveat Lector-

~Amelia~

- Original Message -
From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit

-Caveat Lector-

thew wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 jews arent white

 if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european
ruling
 culture

This is not true anymore. Jews were allowed to become White Guys
with the
civil rights movement in the 60's. Only after that did they get
into elite
positions in government and Big Biz.

J2

Except. of course. for the Rothschilds.

Amelia

Be dissing Mo Dees and he put ya on da list!  Be dissing Mo Dees
and he put ya on da list!   Be dissing Abbie Foxman and you know he
gonna write!  Amelia

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] FC: Private firm helps jails post inmate listings, info on the Net (fwd)


-Caveat Lector-

The private firm is called Eagle Law Enforcement Systems. It describes
itself on its website (www.eagle-us.com) as an industry leader in
providing comprehensive jail and records management software to the police,
sheriff and corrections industries... With the addition of comprehensive
mugshot imaging, document imaging, signature capture, fingerprint capture,
and barcode scanner import modules, the Golden Eagle Inmate Management
System has become a force to be reckoned with in the correctional software
solutions market.

Here's an Eagle-ware-created list of the people currently in the McCracken
County Jail in Paducah, KY (which also, oddly sells T-shirts via the Net):
http://www.mcccj.com/inmate/ICURRENT.HTM

And here's the info on the Tehama County Detention Center in Red Bluff, CA:
http://www.tehamaso.org/inmates/ICURRENT.HTM

Also see:
http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=jailcam

-Declan



Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:56:12 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Rick Prelinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: inmate listings and info online

Declan,

Please forgive and ignore if you know of this or have already reported on
it, but I was rather surprised and shocked to encounter this product -- a
website creation module for local jails, correctional facilities and other
agencies seeking to put their records online.

The URL will link you to a number of current prison rosters, chock-full of
criminal history info and pictures of inmates, many of whom are awaiting
trial and unsentenced.

http://www.eagle-us.com/customer.htm

You are free to repost this if you like.

Best,

Rick Prelinger

--

Rick Prelinger
Prelinger Archives   http://www.prelinger.com
P.O. Box 590622, San Francisco, Calif. 94159-0622
+1 415 750-0445  Fax: +1 415 750-0607
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Internet Moving Images Archive: http://www.moviearchive.org




-
POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list
You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice.
Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/
To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html
This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/
-

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Guns to be banned from public housing (fwd)


-Caveat Lector-

Who said the Clinton-Cuomo administration was gone?

http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw0910gun.html

Suffolk may ban guns from public housing
  By SUSIE STOUGHTON, The Virginian-Pilot
  © September 10, 2001


  SUFFOLK -- Hundreds of city residents could soon face a choice: 
Forfeit
  their constitutional right to keep and bear arms, or find another 
place to live.

  In a crackdown on gun violence, housing officials are considering 
banning
  firearms from the city's five public housing complexes. Suffolk
  Redevelopment and Housing Authority could review a draft policy by
  November, after input from residents of the 466 apartment units, said
  Clarissa E. McAdoo, executive director.

  Thelma Hinton, the housing residents'
  non-voting representative on the SRHA
  board, says such a ban would violate the
  residents' rights. Living in public housing
  shouldn't prevent them from being able to
  protect themselves, she said.

  ``I've got to fight for my residents' rights 
if
  they want a gun,'' Hinton said.

  SRHA officials last week also launched a
  drive to eliminate illegal guns from public
  housing and Section 8, privately owned
  rental properties whose rents are
  subsidized through the housing authority.
  Both efforts come in response to last
  month's accidental shooting of a 4-year-old
  whose 5-year-old brother found a loaded
  gun in their mother's bedroom at Hoffler
  Apartments.

  The younger child, who was struck in the
  finger when the gun discharged, was not seriously injured, McAdoo 
said.
  Police did not charge the mother, she said.

  The incident, however, sparked interest in gun safety.

  A newsletter distributed to public housing residents a week later 
included
  this warning: ``Guns are not allowed in or on SRHA property under any
  circumstances.''

  The item said a resident's lease would be terminated and criminal 
charges
  could be lodged if a resident or guest had a gun on the premises.

  Hinton, however, brought her lease to the August board meeting. She 
said
  the document does not address possession of guns.

  ``We should have a policy,'' said Helivi L. Holland, a housing 
commissioner
  and an assistant commonwealth's attorney.

  What about security guards whose jobs require them to be armed? 
Hinton
  asked. ``They can't leave the gun in the car.''

  The weapon could be stored in a locker at work, Holland said.

  SRHA attorney Jeffrey L. Gardy said any landlord can place 
restrictions --
  such as no animals -- on tenants.

  ``It's your option whether you lease it or not,'' he said. ``It's 
not infringing on
  anybody's rights.''

  Leroy Reynolds, who works for Portsmouth Redevelopment and Housing
  Authority, disagrees.

  ``They're stepping on some dangerous ground there,'' said Reynolds,
  PRHA's security and risk management program director.

  ``The Constitution doesn't give you the right to bear animals,'' he 
said. ``It
  does give you the right to bear arms.''

  Neither PRHA nor the Norfolk Redevelopment and Housing Authority
  prohibits residents from having guns, officials of those agencies 
said.
  Reynolds said he would be surprised if Suffolk adopted such a ban.

  The proposal is ``in the very early, formative stages,'' Gardy said. 
He has not
  received anything to review, he said.

  Trying to protect residents without infringing on their rights is 
difficult, he
  said. ``It's hard to hit a happy medium.''

  SRHA chairwoman Mary V. Richardson said the board wants to hear how
  the residents

[CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire?


-Caveat Lector-

Breaking news as of 9:45am EDT:

1.  both towers of the World Trade Center in NYC in flames due to 2
separate planes seemingly deliberately flown into it; the first plane to
hit is reportedly a highjacked plane out of Logan Airport in Boston

2.  it was just reported that a plane was crashed into the Pentagon, and
live video is showing it in flames

3.  it is also being reported that there is 'a fire on the Washington
Mall'...

4.  all federal offices, monuments, parks, etc. are on full alert


I'm watching the one local station out of NYC that is still operational,
as most of the networks use the WTC as a booster to send out their signal
to the metropolitan area


June

===
Check out Alternative Kite Radio at
http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com

Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere)
Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday)
===

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire?

2001-09-11 Thread Saba


-Caveat Lector-

Towers at World Trade hold federal officesrecently Govenor of
New York moved from the Tower now I wonder why?

As Congressman Kascich did here - when Oklahoma blew - that guy moved
his office out of FEderal Buildigs to Dublin, quietly.he was pal to
Gary Condit.

I wonder who did not show up for work today?   At least in New York they
know their Govenor is safe - World Trade Offices holds many federal and
state offices so why did Pataky move out?


Maybe same reason Kascich moved out.

Pentagon - the symbol of security for the USA...

The last guy who rammed a building in Washington with a plane they said
was a truck driver.so the big meeting for which they prepared,
making Washington the target and now a war zone as well as New York City
no doubt will be closed.

Keep thinking about Govenor Pataky moving out of World Trade Offices and
why?   Like Oklahoma - FBI and BATF stayed home and left the babies in
the tower?

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] SNET: Is UN using environmentalism to end property rights forever? (fwd)

2001-09-11 Thread William Bacon


-Caveat Lector-

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904
for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto:
http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:41:45 +1200
From: Misty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AltWritersFiles [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Armageddon or New Age? [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SNET: Is UN using environmentalism to end property rights forever?

-  SNETNEWS  Mailing List

http://www.conspiracyworld.com/

Under Environmentalism link.

Is there a hidden United Nations agenda behind the clamor to protect our
environment and to save Mother Earth?  Was the Report From Iron Mountain the
catalyst for todays massive environmentalist propaganda campaign?  Is Big
Brother using environmentalism as a socialist, Marxist pretext to eventually
seize all of the nations private lands and end property rights forever?
What does the Biodiversity Treaty demand? Must Americans turn over their
national parks, farms, forest, wildlands, and more to elite controllers for
whom the deceived masses toil?  Click on now and check out our books,
audiotapes, and videos.  Discover the eye-popping truth behind the assault
by todays insane, land-grabbing Green Barbarians!

1-  Behind the Green Curtain

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



2-  Birds of a FeatherHow Wallstreet Uses the Environmental Movement to
Promote Its New World Order

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



3-  Do They Intend to Kill Us? The Bloody Plan of the Environmental Elite to
Wipe Six Billion People Off the Face of Planet Earth

75 min-Audiotape
$10.00
QTY



4-  Environmentalist Plot of the Elitist Controllers (The)

75 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



5-  Free Land for EverybodyThe Free Land Lobby

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



6-  Green Man (The)The New Age Occulting of Al Gore

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



7-  How the Elite are Using Environmentalism to Destroy Our Freedoms and
Control Our Lives

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



8-  Religious Environmentalists are Mentally Ill

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



9-  Report From Iron Mountain (The)The Secret Plan to Depopulate the Earth
and Control the Masses

60 min-Audiotape
$10.00
QTY



10-  Rewilding of America (The)Hitler's Murderous Lebensraum Doctrine Lives
Again

60 min-Audiotape
$10.00
QTY



11-  Treaty from Hell (The)The United Nations Biodiversity Treaty Exposed

60 min-Audiotape
$10.00
QTY



12-  Unconstitutional War on Our Property Rights (The)

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



13-  United Nations Luciferian Plan to Depopulate the Earth (The)

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



14-  United Nations ObjectiveTo Make Nature Worship the State Religion

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



15-  United Nations Takeover of Our National Parks and Wilderness Areas
(The)

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



16-  Wildlands Project (The)An Exposé of the Plan to Drive Americans Off
Their Land

60 min-Audiotape
$7.00
QTY



17-  Saviors of the Earth with SupplementThe Politics and Religion of the
Environmental Movement

282 pages-Book
$15.00
QTY



18-  Who is Leading the Attack on American Liberty?The People Behind the
Global Biodiversity Treaty, the Wildlands Project, and the President's
Council on Sustainable Development

113 pages-Book
$12.00
QTY



19-  Behind the Green Curtain

41 min-Video
$20.00
QTY



20-  Green Barbarians (The)The Environmentalist Plot to Destroy the Earth
and Launch a New Age Holocaust

60 min-Video
$20.00
QTY



Go Top


- To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

==^
EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddDh.b2FRTm
Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail!
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register
==^

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Re: [CTRL] fwd: REPUBLICAN SEXUAL PERVERSITY GETS IGNORED BY THE MEDIA


-Caveat Lector-

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Samantha L. wrote:
BUZZFLASH IS WONDERING WHY THERE IS ONE STANDARD OF SEXUAL CONDUCT FOR
DEMOCRATS AND ANOTHER FOR REPUBLICANS?  IN SHORT, WHY DOESN'T THE MEDIA FOCUS
IN ON A REPUBLICAN PERVERT WHO RAN AGAINST JOE LIEBERMAN FOR SENATOR?

Well, it's a major story here in Connecticut...

Keep in mind that Giordano is just a mayor of a relatively minor city, so
he's hardly a national figure...

But more important aspect is the fact that the feds still have the
information against Giordano sealed and won't reveal the extent of the
charges and allegations against him...the only thing that is known is
that the sexual perversion thing was uncovered as part of the probe into
the extensive corruption of the city government...

I can tell you that the local black community is totally outraged over
this, and isn't happy that it's not being reported more widely...


Giordano, a married father of three, has been in federal custody since his
arrest July 26

And held incommunicado since then...the feds won't allow anyone except
his attorney to have contact with him...


June

===
Check out Alternative Kite Radio at
http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com

Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere)
Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday)
===

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire?

2001-09-11 Thread thew


-Caveat Lector-

both towers have collapsed
there are secondary explosions
a bomb threat in the biggest high school by the WTC

and i just got a call from a relative in Israel, who told me they are
dancing in the streets in east Jerusalem, giving candy to the children

my city is shut down

thankfully ive heard from just about every one I needed to hear from
-- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --
 -- - -- -

Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when
the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally
alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest
dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal,
well-meaning but without understanding.
Justice Louis D. Brandeis





NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew

 From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:52:06 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire?

 -Caveat Lector-

 Breaking news as of 9:45am EDT:

 1.  both towers of the World Trade Center in NYC in flames due to 2
 separate planes seemingly deliberately flown into it; the first plane to
 hit is reportedly a highjacked plane out of Logan Airport in Boston

 2.  it was just reported that a plane was crashed into the Pentagon, and
 live video is showing it in flames

 3.  it is also being reported that there is 'a fire on the Washington
 Mall'...

 4.  all federal offices, monuments, parks, etc. are on full alert


 I'm watching the one local station out of NYC that is still operational,
 as most of the networks use the WTC as a booster to send out their signal
 to the metropolitan area


 June

 ===
 Check out Alternative Kite Radio at
 http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com

 Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)
 Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth)
 Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere)
 Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday)
 ===

 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
 DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
 ==
 CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
 screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please!  These are
 sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis-
 directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with
 major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
 That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
 always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
 credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

 Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
 
 Archives Available at:
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
 
 To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
 SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
 SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Om

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] WWII Losses

2001-09-11 Thread Richard Spence


-Caveat Lector-

My typo,

1,506,000 is Dupuy's figure for Japanese military deaths.

RBS

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire?


-Caveat Lector-

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Saba wrote:
Towers at World Trade hold federal officesrecently Govenor of
New York moved from the Tower now I wonder why?

The WTC is huge and holds many types of offices -- international
businesses, major banks, Tower Two had attennas for almost all major
networks on its roof (hence only one local NYC station is now available
here in southern CT)...

It also included NYC's Emergency Management offices -- they recently
moved there (just prior to Y2K) because it was thought the 'safest' place
to be in Manhattan...


I wonder who did not show up for work today?   At least in New York they
know their Govenor is safe - World Trade Offices holds many federal and
state offices so why did Pataky move out?

It would have been doubtful that Pataky would have been in the Manhattan
office anyway, because obviously state business is conducted out of
Albany, not NYC


June

===
Check out Alternative Kite Radio at
http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com

Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere)
Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday)
===

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit

2001-09-11 Thread thew


-Caveat Lector-

allowed?
thats like the people who keep telling me its ok if i celbrate christmas

as if id want to


no thanks


-- -- --  -- --
Planet spins - so do I
   neo-sufi wisdom



NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew

 From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Organization: Nurev Independent Research
 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:01:28 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit

 You weren't insulted because you're not white.
 Jews are not white.

 Of course Jews are White. They are as  caucasian  as any other White group.
 Only Christian bigots considered them non-white.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Prayers and Thoughts


-Caveat Lector-

Prayers to those, and theirs, that are involved directly in the tragic
events.



The aftershocks shall reverberate throughout our lives.

Newt was just on FOX calling it worse than Pearl Harbor and calling for war.

Trauma effects.

Watch the massage.

Peace
Om
K
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: Martial Law Near?






I am at this time taking a great risk in hopes that I am very wrong...

But in order to serve the maximum good and save as many as possible if I
am right...

and would rather take the embarassment of being wrong than the guilt of
failing to act if right...  and thus:

I am sending this alert to warn those who may, for whatever reason, be
on the RED list.

In my opinion the unprecedented events of the last few hours imply to me
that the End Game Scenario is now in play.

It may only be a matter of hours before martial law is declared, the
Constitution suspended, and FEMA put in control.
The National Gaurd would be mobilized, and likely, be sent to
NEIGHBORING states where they would be more willing to fire on citizens.

Anyone in the military should be especially concerned if this comes
about - for it is an indication of INTERNALLY caused terrorism.

READ ABOUT OPERATION NORTHWOOD if you doubt this is possible:
http://www.proparanoid.com/ok1.htm

FYI, it is ironic to me, personally, that in my fictional movie script
which I had posted on my Web site some months back...
in the end game scenario presented there, a civilian passenger jet was
involved to bring down the WTC and initiate secondary events -
while TV cameras were already in place to broadcast the entire event (a
New Year's celebration)

RSA victims who are getting this should prepare for attempts to activate
them and apply them towards fueling the fear.
And they just happened to have a news team in front ot the school in New
York with the bomb threat as I type.

So if you are a MC victim or are a political dissident on the Red List,
do not go home, do not go to work.
Prepare for the possibility of a long-term evasive posture.  Move about
with caution.
Be prepared to assume a new identity and liquidate assets.

And before I finished typing this, Tom Brokaw was calling for us to
'reexamine our personal freedoms'
as part of steps to prevent these kinds of terrorist acts.  The Fascist
solution is always repression.
Meanwhile, reporters on NBC streets are making unfounded commentary on
car bombs and bombs in the sewers.
NYC will never be the same, their hearts siezed in terror forever more.

Please pray.  Not just for the obvious.  But also, remember that God has
fortold the end times.
No matter how difficult it becomes, our salvation will be at hand.
Put your faith in him, not the government.

Good luck
Harry Michael Sweeney

[CTRL] Fwd: Martial Law Near?


Off-Topic I know,

Om
K
-



I am at this time taking a great risk in hopes that I am very wrong...

But in order to serve the maximum good and save as many as possible if I
am right...

and would rather take the embarassment of being wrong than the guilt of
failing to act if right...  and thus:

I am sending this alert to warn those who may, for whatever reason, be
on the RED list.

In my opinion the unprecedented events of the last few hours imply to me
that the End Game Scenario is now in play.

It may only be a matter of hours before martial law is declared, the
Constitution suspended, and FEMA put in control.
The National Gaurd would be mobilized, and likely, be sent to
NEIGHBORING states where they would be more willing to fire on citizens.

Anyone in the military should be especially concerned if this comes
about - for it is an indication of INTERNALLY caused terrorism.

READ ABOUT OPERATION NORTHWOOD if you doubt this is possible:
http://www.proparanoid.com/ok1.htm

FYI, it is ironic to me, personally, that in my fictional movie script
which I had posted on my Web site some months back...
in the end game scenario presented there, a civilian passenger jet was
involved to bring down the WTC and initiate secondary events -
while TV cameras were already in place to broadcast the entire event (a
New Year's celebration)

RSA victims who are getting this should prepare for attempts to activate
them and apply them towards fueling the fear.
And they just happened to have a news team in front ot the school in New
York with the bomb threat as I type.

So if you are a MC victim or are a political dissident on the Red List,
do not go home, do not go to work.
Prepare for the possibility of a long-term evasive posture.  Move about
with caution.
Be prepared to assume a new identity and liquidate assets.

And before I finished typing this, Tom Brokaw was calling for us to
'reexamine our personal freedoms'
as part of steps to prevent these kinds of terrorist acts.  The Fascist
solution is always repression.
Meanwhile, reporters on NBC streets are making unfounded commentary on
car bombs and bombs in the sewers.
NYC will never be the same, their hearts siezed in terror forever more.

Please pray.  Not just for the obvious.  But also, remember that God has
fortold the end times.
No matter how difficult it becomes, our salvation will be at hand.
Put your faith in him, not the government.

Good luck
Harry Michael Sweeney

[CTRL] Another possibility


-Caveat Lector-

A guy on another list I read just suggested:


but there is a possibility that this is an Israeli diversion to avert
the attention from genocide in Palestine, and to go in the direction of
final solution for Palestinian problem. 

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
=CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
===Archives 
Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
===To subscribe to 
Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] FEMA






According to http://www.rumormillnews.com/

FEMA Has Been Put in Charge of 26 Government Agencies
  FEMA Is Coordinating Disaster Response!

...geminiwalker



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--
FONT COLOR=#99Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck
Monitoring Service trial
/FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick 
Here!/B/A
-~-

Please let us stay on topic and be civil.
To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs
-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org
OM

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] CNBC Dollar sinks after attacks






http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Articles/Dispatches/P6258.asp

 CNBC Market Dispatches  09/11/01  10:51 AM ET
Dollar sinks after attacks

Both of the World Trade Center towers now have collapsed. The dollar is
sharply lower, gold is rising and oil prices are soaring. One likely
corporate casualty: insurers.

Powerful explosions have now toppled both of the twin towers of New York's
World Trade Center, home to thousands of workers and dozens of financial
companies. Blasts also hit the Pentagon. Markets are closed and the
financial district is engulfed in smoke.
It is pitch black, CNBC's Maria Bartiromo said of the scene on Wall
Street. You are basically surrounded by smoke and debris coming at you.
Earlier, we actually saw bodies coming out of the top of the World Trade
Center.

Bartiromo is reporting from inside the New York Stock Exchange, which she
says has suffered no internal damage.

The dollar has fallen against other major currencies, and the price of gold
-- historically a shelter in uncertain times -- is rising. Oil prices are
surging. European stock indexes have plunged.

Dollar loses ground as investors seek safety

The dollar continues to lose ground against other currencies, falling
particularly sharply against the euro as investors seek safer ground. The
Swiss franc, a traditional safe haven for world investors, has risen
sharply after the series of explosions.

Currency strategists interviewed by news services continue to assert the
dollar will bounce back after the knee-jerk selling.

European stock indexes slide

The pan-European FTSE Eurotop 300 has lost 4.5% of its value, and indexes
in major European capitals were lower. Some European markets closed
temporarily, while others remained open.

Insurance burden will be huge

The human and political damage of today's attack is impossible to
calculate, but one corporate casualty is sure to be the insurance industry.
Claims will easily reach into the billions of dollars, according to
industry experts quoted by the news services.

It is safe to assume claims will be in the billions, Robert Hartwig,
chief economist for the Insurance Information Institute, told Reuters. He
says losses from intentional attacks generally would be covered.

Among the largest property/casualty insurers are AIG (AIG, news, msgs),
Allianz (AZ, news, msgs) and Allstate (ALL, news, msgs).

-- Scott Gerlach

  Indexes


Dow  9,605.5   Unch

Nasdaq  1,695.4   Unch

SP  1,092.5   Unch


Details


Price 74.260

Change unch

Research Wizard

Add to MSN Stock List

Message Board






Price 34.080

Change unch

Research Wizard

Add to MSN Stock List

Message Board





Resources
Read/Post comments on your message board

Find a problem in this article? Send us e-mail

Search MSN Money tips


MSN Money's editorial goal is to provide a forum for personal finance and
investment ideas. Our articles, columns, message board posts and other
features should not be construed as investment advice, nor does their
appearance imply an endorsement by Microsoft of any specific security or
trading strategy. An investor's best course of action must be based on
individual circumstances.   Print-friendly version
Send this to a friend



===
If you don't have time for the preservation of Freedom,
how can you possibly imagine you are free?
===


   SheWhoRemembers
 Freedom Justice Peace
  http://geocities.com/sheremembers

Audio Feed for Thought:
  http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/swr.ram

Join List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

SWR sponsor: http://rovin.net/?SWR
Rovin'Net delivers superb internet access
with personal attention, privacy, and integrity.
===

---
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107,
this material is posted withthout profit or payment
for non-profit research and educational purposes only.
--


Abusing drugs is not a crime, abusing drug users is.

~~~

After 30 years of daily use, the most irresponsible thing
drugs ever caused me to do is call for their legalization.

~~~

The prestige of government has undoubtedly been
lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more
destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land
than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret
that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely
connected with this. ~~ Albert Einstein on Prohibition, 1921





 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--
FONT COLOR=#99FREE COLLEGE MONEY
CLICK HERE to search
600,000 scholarships!
/FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick 
Here!/B/A
-~-

Please let us stay on topic and be civil.
To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs
-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org
OM

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[CTRL] FW: Martial Law Near?

-Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From:   H. Michael Sweeney
Sent:   Sat 8/11/2001 8:50 AM
To:
Cc:
Subject:Martial Law Near?

I am at this time taking a great risk in hopes that I am very wrong...

But in order to serve the maximum good and save as many as possible if I
am right...

and would rather take the embarassment of being wrong than the guilt of
failing to act if right...  and thus:

I am sending this alert to warn those who may, for whatever reason, be
on the RED list.

In my opinion the unprecedented events of the last few hours imply to me
that the End Game Scenario is now in play.

It may only be a matter of hours before martial law is declared, the
Constitution suspended, and FEMA put in control.
The National Gaurd would be mobilized, and likely, be sent to
NEIGHBORING states where they would be more willing to fire on citizens.

Anyone in the military should be especially concerned if this comes
about - for it is an indication of INTERNALLY caused terrorism.

READ ABOUT OPERATION NORTHWOOD if you doubt this is possible:
http://www.proparanoid.com/ok1.htm

FYI, it is ironic to me, personally, that in my fictional movie script
which I had posted on my Web site some months back...
in the end game scenario presented there, a civilian passenger jet was
involved to bring down the WTC and initiate secondary events -
while TV cameras were already in place to broadcast the entire event (a
New Year's celebration)

RSA victims who are getting this should prepare for attempts to activate
them and apply them towards fueling the fear.
And they just happened to have a news team in front ot the school in New
York with the bomb threat as I type.

So if you are a MC victim or are a political dissident on the Red List,
do not go home, do not go to work.
Prepare for the possibility of a long-term evasive posture.  Move about
with caution.
Be prepared to assume a new identity and liquidate assets.

And before I finished typing this, Tom Brokaw was calling for us to
'reexamine our personal freedoms'
as part of steps to prevent these kinds of terrorist acts.  The Fascist
solution is always repression.
Meanwhile, reporters on NBC streets are making unfounded commentary on
car bombs and bombs in the sewers.
NYC will never be the same, their hearts siezed in terror forever more.

Please pray.  Not just for the obvious.  But also, remember that God has
fortold the end times.
No matter how difficult it becomes, our salvation will be at hand.
Put your faith in him, not the government.

Good luck
Harry Michael Sweeney

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Another possibility


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/11/01 8:57:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

-Caveat Lector-

A guy on another list I read just suggested:


but there is a possibility that this is an Israeli diversion to avert
the attention from genocide in Palestine, and to go in the direction of
final solution for Palestinian problem.

 Expect exploitation on all and any fronts.

Om
K

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: ACT OF WAR - European Union Leadership






EUROPEAN UNION DECLARES THIS TERRORISM AS ACT OF WAR

WIRES REPORTING: RADICAL ISLAM JIHAD MOVEMENT - Attacks are because of US
policy in the Middle East...

UNCONFIRMED: ANOTHER PLANE HIJACKED - HEADING TO PENTAGON - MILITARY JET
CIRCLES PENTAGON

AMERICAN AIRLINES CONFIRMS LOSS OF 2 PLANES - FLIGHTS 11, BOSTON TO LA -
FLIGHT 77, DULLES TO LA

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93 CRASHED, NEWARK TO SAN FRANCISCO

CDC PREPARING FOR BIO-TERRORISM JUST IN CASE

ISRAEL EVACUATES WORLD WIDE OFFICES

UNITED NATIONS EVACUATED

2 PLANES HIT WORLD TRADE CENTER!

BOTH TOWERS COLLAPSE

50,000 WORK IN BUILDINGS - MOST PRESUMED DEAD --- 150,000 VISIT DAILY

1 PLANE HITS PENTAGON - ON FIRE!

CAPITAL BUILDING TREASURY WHITE HOUSE EVACUATED!

WASHINGTON MALL ON FIRE!

FAA GROUNDS ALL FLIGHTS IN USA

COLLAPSE OF PART OF THE PENTAGON

CAR BOMB EXPLODES OUTSIDE STATE BUILDING


--
To unsubscribe, send ANY message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[CTRL] D. C. Area

2001-09-11 Thread Amelia


-Caveat Lector-

I heard from my son is D. C. and he is OK, allowed to go home with
all federal buildings evacuated.  Other than the news on major
media, he said there had been a car bomb at the State Department.
He and his wife have gone for food as they anticipate martial law
being declared soon and in effect until the danger appears to have
passed.  Thanks for all the inquiries and kind words.  I know we
are all saddened by these events.
~Amelia~

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] FW: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

-Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From:   Matthew Gaylor
Sent:   Tue 9/11/2001 9:01 AM
To: Matthew Gaylor
Cc:
Subject:L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

From: L. Neil Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:41:57 -0600
Subject:MORNING OF HORROR

MORNING OF HORROR

By L. Neil Smith mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Special to _The Libertarian Enterpise_
http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil

 First of all, expect never to learn the truth about what happened
at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and elsewhere this morning of
September 11, 2001, any more than we did with regard to the murders of
Jack and Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, at Ruby Ridge, Waco, or
Oklahoma City. Ambiguity and uncertainty serve far too many political
interests.

 Another certainty is that, although I'm told 50,000 people worked
in the World Trade Center, more innocent individuals will die as a
result of what the Old Media are lovingly referring to as a lockdown
of Manhattan and other places, than any acts of terrorism that may have
occurred. The military has just said they'll shoot down any plane they
see flying. Only one civilian plane is in the air this morning, Air
Force One; that's as grim a warning of things to come as I can think
of.

 Collateral deaths won't just happen as a consequence, say, of
somebody with a heart attack being unable to get to a hospital, but
whenever and wherever some dumb kid in an army uniform gets startled
by a car backfiring and starts spraying everybody and his pet poodle
with automatic rifle fire. Or to whomever the martial lawyers decide
it's safe to liquidate using this foul mess as a cover. Or, vastly
more ominously, to people in the not-so-distant future who decide they
must resist the police state that will inevitably result from these
events.

 It's extremely difficult to think coherently about long term
effects, let alone to get it all down in writing, when you learn that,
not only were hijacked commercial aircraft used to commit these
unspeakably evil acts, but that 90 passengers died helplessly in the
first plane, and others yet unnumbered may have died in subsequent
attacks. _Somebody_ has to think about it, though, or this situation
will be used to turn the Bill of Rights off forever. Depending on the
planning behind it, or who did the planning, it may already be too
late.

 All airports have been shut down today, and I shudder to think
about what flying will be like from now on. The Clintons, Schumers,
and Waxmans will try to shut down the Internet, calling it a breeding
ground for terrorism. The Bushes and Cheneys will reluctantly go
along.

 Rush Limbaugh will cheer them on.

 What should those who value their freedom do? Every chance you
have, from this moment on, whether it's on talk radio, or on the
letters to the editor page, on the Internet while it's still possible,
or in communication with everyone you know -- it's time for even the
most apolitical to write to senators and congressmen -- emphasize two
points:

 First, inform them that closing down the First or Second or any
other Amendment is not an appropriate response to what's happened, and
that any politician or bureaucrat in office who attempts to capitalize
on today's horrors is committing the same sort of blatantly criminal
act I've always insisted must be punished under Bill of Rights
enforcement.

 Second, these things happen to nations with imperial ambitions.
There has never been a major act of terrorism I know of that hasn't
resulted from an act of government that violated somebody's rights. The
way to keep this sort of thing from  happening again is to stop those
violations.

 Hideously enough, my new novel _The American Zone_, scheduled to
be published next November by Tor Books, begins with an act very
similar to this one, carried out to force the creation of a strong
central government in the governmentless North American Confederacy
that figures in so many of my books. As anybody who knows my work can
safely predict, the evil scheme doesn't work and the villains are
defeated.

 Life isn't as predictably pleasant as fiction. Happy endings are
few and far between. But it's important to act swiftly if we're to
preserve anything resembling the freedom that made this civilization
great.

 Pass the word.

**
Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues
Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA
on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per
week)
Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722  ICQ: 106212065   Archived at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/

**

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed.

[CTRL] D. C. Area

2001-09-11 Thread Amelia


-Caveat Lector-

I meant martial law in the D. C. area only as that is pretty much a
certainty at this point.  I am also thankful that he was able to
get through as the phone circuits are jammed. We should expect
phone disruptions if close enough to major operations or switching
of circuits to re-route calls.
~Amelia~

- Original Message -
From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:21 AM
Subject: [CTRL] D. C. Area


-Caveat Lector-

I heard from my son is D. C. and he is OK, allowed to go home with
all federal buildings evacuated.  Other than the news on major
media, he said there had been a car bomb at the State Department.
He and his wife have gone for food as they anticipate martial law
being declared soon and in effect until the danger appears to have
passed.  Thanks for all the inquiries and kind words.  I know we
are all saddened by these events.
~Amelia~

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Bin Laden

2001-09-11 Thread Fernando Sobral


-Caveat Lector-

http://www.reuters.com/

Bin Laden, a Saudi millionaire and Islamic militant, believed to be in exile in 
Afghanistan, was blamed for the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and 
Tanzania in which 224 people died.

An Arab journalist with access to bin Laden told Reuters in London that the renegade 
Saudi three weeks ago had warned of an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests. 

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: [BIOWAR] LISTEES: NYC TV/Radio Feed Arranged Online






PRE
Join memolink.com and get FREE gift certificates to
Wal*Mart, Target, Best Buy, Olive Garden and more!
A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaac5Rbz8Q0WbAgsdRa/Memolink 
http://click.topica.com/caaac5Rbz8Q0WbAgsdRa/Memolink/A
/PRE

Dear Listees:

One of my friends who runs an online progressive rock radio station has
arranged for us to receive continual newsfeeds.

This is a PK2 radio stream to simulcast one of NYC's TV/Radio stations.

Winamp should open this or just paste the URL into Realplayer

Cable/T1
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/play.pls?addr=64.152.82.196:9896file=filenam
e.pls

56k
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/play.pls?addr=64.152.82.194:8824/file=filena
me.pls

28.8
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/play.pls?addr=64.152.82.199:25296/file=filen
ame.pls

God bless you all!  We remain vigilant in prayer.

Michele

PRE
Explore the jungle in your backyard -- FREE! eNature has
bird sounds, Animal Finder, Field Guides, experts, activities
and more for a suburban safari youll never forget.
A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaac1Nbz8Q0WbAgsdRf/eNature 
http://click.topica.com/caaac1Nbz8Q0WbAgsdRf/eNature/A

/PRE

PREPost to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List 
info: www.topica.com/lists/biowar
/PRE

PRE==^
EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: A HREF= http://topica.com/u/?bz8Q0W.bAgsdR 
http://topica.com/u/?bz8Q0W.bAgsdR/A
Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail!
A HREF= http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register 
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register/A
==^/PRE

[CTRL] Fwd: Steve: Re: [BIOWAR] LISTEES: NYC TV/Radio Feed Arranged Online






PRE
Join memolink.com and get FREE gift certificates to
Wal*Mart, Target, Best Buy, Olive Garden and more!
A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaac5Rbz8Q0WbAgsdRa/Memolink 
http://click.topica.com/caaac5Rbz8Q0WbAgsdRa/Memolink/A
/PRE

Dear Steve:

Regarding:
--
Thanks Michele,
I plugged into the 28k feed and got a brief
live365.com announcement, and now nothing but
dead air (empty bytes).
--

Stand by.  There are technical difficulties.  I don't know if this can be
restored or not, but the techy is working on it.  Understandably, there are
bandwidth shortages, overloaded 'net lines, intermittent phone service and
'net connections in NYC at this time.

Alternatively:

Shortwave radio:

7.415mhz starting at 11:30 CDT and continuing all day.

God bless!

Michele

PRE
Explore the jungle in your backyard -- FREE! eNature has
bird sounds, Animal Finder, Field Guides, experts, activities
and more for a suburban safari youll never forget.
A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaac1Ubz8Q0WbAgsdRf/eNature 
http://click.topica.com/caaac1Ubz8Q0WbAgsdRf/eNature/A

/PRE

PREPost to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List 
info: www.topica.com/lists/biowar
/PRE

PRE==^
EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: A HREF= http://topica.com/u/?bz8Q0W.bAgsdR 
http://topica.com/u/?bz8Q0W.bAgsdR/A
Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail!
A HREF= http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register 
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register/A
==^/PRE

[CTRL] America Under Attack


-Caveat Lector-

Amazing Spinning.  Even trying to blame Billy Clinton.

Where there's spin there's fire?

Om
K

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] offlist [CTRL] America Under Attack

2001-09-11 Thread Samantha L.


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/11/01 11:46:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
Hi Kris,

  Looks our civil liberties will vanish for a long time.  I made a post to
the list about an hour ago and still don't see it.  Hopefully it's just a
normal delay under the circumstances.

Samantha



[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 -Caveat Lector-

  Amazing Spinning.  Even trying to blame Billy Clinton.

  Where there's spin there's fire?

  Om
  K

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] hello

2001-09-11 Thread Tenorlove


-Caveat Lector-

Thanks, I'll take it as a compliment. Maybe I should have posted the
full headers after all.. :-D

--- Mattingly Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

 : This is one of the regular posters using a new alias and playing
 the
 : newbie. The writing style raised my hackles. I thought it was
 : someone who has been pestering me on another list.
 :
 : Tenorlove
 :


 This is insulting and absolutely untrue.  I have never posted to this
 list.
 But I will certainly unsub.

 Before I go: anyone interested in Masonry and its history should look
 at the
 articles in the Eighteenth-Century Studies Journal vol 33 number 2 ,
 Johns
 Hopkins Univ Press.  To paint all masonry as diabolical etc. is
 absurd. The
 US Constitution is essentially a Masonic document. Separation of
 religion
 and state (the original wording) was the very core of Masonry in that
 age.

 The CNP -- if you want to study conspiracy, please look there first.
 Good
 place to start : http://www.ifas.org/cnp/

 Truly, I am amazed at your pomposity Tenorlove.   You pass judgment
 on the
 basis of nothing.  Maybe you see your own reflection too often, I
 don't
 know.  But if this is your approach to truth -- please.  Try a little
 more
 empiricism and a little less ego. Unless you are here to be
 counterproductive?

 Cheers,
 Deborah

 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
 DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
 ==
 CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing
 propagandic
 screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
 sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths,
 mis-
 directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different
 groups with
 major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and
 thought.
 That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts,
 and
 always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
 credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

 Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.


 Archives Available at:
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
  A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
  A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A


 To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
 SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
 SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Om


=
I find television very educating. Every time somebody
turns on the set, I go into the other room
and read a book. Groucho Marx,

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email alerts  NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger
http://im.yahoo.com

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes






Now is the time that all of us need to be the best investigators that we can
possibly be. I suggest that, in the earliest moments, some of us take
responsibility for monitoring CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and MS-NBC to log
reports as they come in. As with previous stories of lesser magnitude our
strengths lay in keeping side by side evaluations and watching for
discrepancies and alterations.

Effective response and evaluation will be based upon fact and careful
analysis. These first minutes and hours are critical and we will never have
them again. Please try to avoid speculation as you what will happen or who
did what. We only waste the precious minutes that we have that will never be
here again.

Whatever is going to happen is now beyond our control. It is already too
late to change these immediate events. I have the same fears as all of you.
I strongly suspect that martial law will be imposed fairly quickly.

Avoid speculation, please and become information vampires.

Prayers and peace to all.

Mike Ruppert
www.copvcia.com




 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--
FONT COLOR=#99Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck
Monitoring Service trial
/FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick 
Here!/B/A
-~-

Please let us stay on topic and be civil.
To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs
-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org
OM

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [CTRL] offlist [CTRL] America Under Attack


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/11/01 9:53:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In a message dated 9/11/01 11:46:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
Hi Kris,

  Looks our civil liberties will vanish for a long time.  I made a post
to
the list about an hour ago and still don't see it.  Hopefully it's just
a
normal delay under the circumstances.

Samantha

Yes,  there did seem that there was a suspension/slowing of traffic, this
could a come from many differing sources, including the increase of traffic
and routing. I am sure that the monitoring would increase.

Om
K

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] [Fwd: Jerusalem Arabs celebrate attacks in USA]

-Caveat Lector-

 Original Message 
Subject: Jerusalem Arabs celebrate attacks in USA
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:27:54 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jerusalem Arabs celebrate attacks in USA
Aaron Lerner  Date: 11 September 2001

Israel Radio reported this afternoon that the Arabs of eastern Jerusalem are
celebrating the attacks against America.  They are handing out candy to the
children on Sultan Suleiman Street and celebrating.

Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director
IMRA (Independent Media Review  Analysis)
(mail POB 982 Kfar Sava)
Tel 972-9-7604719/Fax 972-3-5480092
INTERNET ADDRESS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pager  03-610666 subscriber 4811

IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
Website: www.imra.org.il

For free regular subscription:
Subscribe at no charge: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

For free daily digest subscription:
Subscribe at no charge: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

For a copy of all reports distributed for a given day please send a
message to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes

-Caveat Lector-

Kris Millegan wrote:

 Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes
 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:49:33 -0700
 From: Mike Ruppert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CIA Drugs list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Now is the time that all of us need to be the best investigators that we can
 possibly be. I suggest that, in the earliest moments, some of us take
 responsibility for monitoring CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and MS-NBC to log
 reports as they come in. As with previous stories of lesser magnitude our
 strengths lay in keeping side by side evaluations and watching for
 discrepancies and alterations.

Nurev is on it.
J2

 Effective response and evaluation will be based upon fact and careful
 analysis. These first minutes and hours are critical and we will never have
 them again. Please try to avoid speculation as you what will happen or who
 did what. We only waste the precious minutes that we have that will never be
 here again.

 Whatever is going to happen is now beyond our control. It is already too
 late to change these immediate events. I have the same fears as all of you.
 I strongly suspect that martial law will be imposed fairly quickly.

 Avoid speculation, please and become information vampires.

 Prayers and peace to all.

 Mike Ruppert
 www.copvcia.com

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire?

2001-09-11 Thread Tenorlove


-Caveat Lector-

We're OK here in rural New Jersey. Rockaway Mall is shut down,
Picatinny Arsenal is closed, the grocery store is out of bottled water,
toilet paper, bread and milk. Fortunately, my sister and brother-in-law
both took the day off work, else they would have been in Manhattan.
Praying that all of you are OK.

My co-workers can't figure out how they could steal 8 airplanes. They
didn't want to hear any conspiracy theories, though.

Tenorlove

=
I find television very educating. Every time somebody
turns on the set, I go into the other room
and read a book. Groucho Marx,

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email alerts  NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger
http://im.yahoo.com

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] MP warns against Afghanistan be terrorists' stronghold

2001-09-11 Thread radtimes


-Caveat Lector-

MP warns against Afghanistan be terrorists' stronghold

By Ivan Novikov
September 11, 2001

MOSCOW, Sep 10, 2001 (Itar-Tass via COMTEX) via NewsEdge Corporation  - -

The struggle against international terrorism demands that the whole world
community
should pool and coordinate their efforts, leader of the Russian Regions
bloc of the
State Duma Oleg Morozov told Itar-Tass on Monday, commenting on the death of
the leader of the Afghan Northern alliance Ahmad Shah Masood.

The terrorist act against Masood was directly aimed at turning Afghanistan into
a permanent stronghold of international terrorism, Morozov said. Terrorists
need neither normalization in Afghanistan, nor Afghanistan being a full-fledged
member of the world community. On the contrary, the terrorists are doing
everything possible so as to traffic drugs from its territory in future,
Morozov said.

We should bring it home to the people that if someone gets killed in
Afghanistan, Northern Ireland or Chechnya, this is not an event of local
importance. In a contemporary world under conditions of globalization the
local
mentality becomes ineffective and therefore, international efforts are needed
to rebuff international terrorism, Morozov said.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Attack-Palestinian-Reax.html

2001-09-11 Thread Mattingly Conner


-Caveat Lector-

(aside and this is the end of it on my part:. Sorry Tenor. Didn't understand
your last post, but off list people asked me to stay.)

This from NYTimes. My family in DC in state of shock.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Attack-Palestinian-Reax.html
September 11, 2001

Arafat Horrified by Attacks
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 11:49 a.m. ET

NABLUS, West Bank (AP) -- Thousands of Palestinians celebrated Tuesday's
terror attacks in the United States, chanting ``God is Great'' and
distributing candy to passers-by, even as their leader, Yasser Arafat, said
he was horrified.

The U.S. government has become increasingly unpopular in the West Bank and
Gaza Strip in the past year of Israeli-Palestinian fighting, with many
Palestinians accusing Washington of siding with Israel.

In the West Bank town of Nablus, about 3,000 people poured into the street
shortly after the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and
government targets in Washington.

Demonstrators distributed candy in a traditional gesture of celebration.
Several Palestinian gunmen shot in the air, while other marchers carried
Palestinian flags. Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, wearing a long, black dress, threw
sweets in the air, saying she was happy because ``America is the head of the
snake, America always stands by Israel in its war against us.''

Her daughter Maysoon, 22, said she hoped the next attack would be launched
against Tel Aviv.

In traditionally Arab east Jerusalem, there was a smaller gathering of about
two dozen people, many of them young children led in chants by adults. Some
drivers passing the scene honked their horns and flashed victory signs from
their windows.

Arafat and his top advisers huddled at his seaside office in Gaza City,
watching the events unfold on television. Arafat later emerged to speak to
reporters.

``We are completely shocked. It's unbelievable,'' he said. ``We completely
condemn this very dangerous attack, and I convey my condolences to the
American people, to the American president and to the American
administration, not only in my name but on behalf of the Palestinian
people.''

In the West Bank, meanwhile, the leader the Democratic Front for the
Liberation of Palestine denied his group was involved in the attacks.

Qais Abdel Rahim was reacting to reports that two Arab satellite stations in
the Gulf had received anonymous claims of responsibility on behalf of the
DFLP, a radical PLO faction. Abdel Rahim said his group condemned the
attacks.



Home | Back to A.P. | Search | Help Back to Top

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Good source for news


-Caveat Lector-

www.journaliststoolbox.com

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Martial Law Near?


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/11/01 8:54:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In my opinion the unprecedented events of the last few hours imply to me
that the End Game Scenario is now in play. 

Hopefully, you are incorrect.

BHoward

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Gold up $13.50


-Caveat Lector-

http://www.eurogoldline.nl/

Om
K

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Gold up $13.50

2001-09-11 Thread Fernando Sobral


-Caveat Lector-

13.50 % . not $

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/09/01 15:23 
-Caveat Lector-

http://www.eurogoldline.nl/

Om
K

A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] 3rd try re one of yesterday's posts

2001-09-11 Thread Samantha L.


-Caveat Lector-

  Yesterday, Bill (Wes676767) posted an article that said many government
officials (80 person task force) raided InfoCom Corp in TX last Wednesday.
They copied hard drives, etc., in an investigation.

  500 websites, many of them with an Arab or Muslim connection crashed as a
result.  It occurred to me that perhaps there was some forewarning, or
fore-suspicion of events.

  Bill's article was posted at

Date:   9/10/01 5:50:01 PM Central Daylight Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Shannon)

  if anyone is interested in rereading it.  This is all I was trying to
convey, by forwarding yesterday's post, but it isn't going through.

Samantha

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] FW: Anonymous remailer operators start to take remailers offline

-Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From:   Declan McCullagh
Sent:   Tue 9/11/2001 9:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject:FC: Anonymous remailer operators start to take remailers
offline

[From a remailer operators mailing list. The discussion arose in
response
to the attacks. --Declan]

From: Len Sassaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: status of randseed
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT)

Randseed's been taken offline, as a precautionary measure. All mail
currently destined for randseed will be bounced.

We'll be back online at sometime in the future

From: J.Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Opinions on Operations due to bombings.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:46:37 -0700
Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate

I no longer run an anon remailer but I still operate a public proxy.

By now everyone is aware of the bombings here in the USA.

So, do we suspend anon communications channels during the crises or do
we stay
operational.

Opinions?
--
Jean Francois - JLF Sends...
Once at a social gathering, Gladstone said to Disraeli,
I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some
vile disease. Disraeli replied, That all depends, Sir, upon
whether I embrace your principles or your mistress.

From: Len Sassaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Opinions on Operations due to bombings.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT)

I'm not concerned that the remailer network is, was, or will be used by
the actual terrorists. What concerns me is the assholes who will
inevitably send bogus threats, tips, and other noise to various news
groups, federal offices, and officials.

I don't want to get caught in the middle of this. I'm sorry. I'm
currently
unemployed and don't have the resources to defend myself. At this point
in time, a free-speech argument will not gain much sympathy with the
feds,
judges, and general public.

And investigators don't need more noise to sort through. They'll have
enough as it is.

I'd like to see remailers continue operating. But this needs to settle.
I may put mine into middle, mix only mode if I feel up to it..

-
POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list
You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice.
Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/
To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html
This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/

-

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] BIN LADEN COMES HOME TO ROOST


-Caveat Lector-

from:
http://alexconstantine.50megs.com/the_cia_osama.html


BIN LADEN COMES HOME TO ROOST

His CIA ties are only the beginning of a woeful story

By Michael Moran

MSNBC



   NEW YORK, Aug. 24 At the CIA, it happens often enough to

   have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the

   term that describes an agent, an operative or an operation

   that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new

   public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback.

   And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the

   Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you

   sow.

BEFORE YOU CLICK on my face and call

me naive, let me concede some points. Yes,

the West needed Josef Stalin to defeat

Hitler. Yes, there were times during the Cold

War when supporting one villain (Cambodia's

Lon Nol, for instance) would have been better

than the alternative (Pol Pot). So yes, there

are times when any nation must hold its nose

and shake hands with the devil for the

long-term good of the planet.

But just as surely, there are times

when the United States, faced with such moral

dilemmas, should have resisted the temptation

to act. Arming a multi-national coalition of

Islamic extremists in Afghanistan during the

1980s well after the destruction of the

Marine barracks in Beirut or the hijacking of

TWA Flight 847 was one of those times.



BIN LADEN'S BEGINNINGS



  Terrorist backer?

  Bin Laden is the heir to Saudi construction fortune who,

  at least since the early 1990s, has used that

  money to finance countless attacks on U.S.

  interests and those of its Arab allies around

  the world.



  Osama bin Laden's network

... By 1984, he was running a front organization

   known as Maktab al-Khidamar the MAK which

   funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside

   world into the Afghan war.

   What the CIA bio conveniently fails to

specify (in its unclassified form, at least)

is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's

state security services, the Inter-Services

Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA's

primary conduit for conducting the covert war

against Moscow's occupation.



By no means was Osama bin Laden the

leader of Afghanistan's mujahedeen. His money

gave him undue prominence in the Afghan

struggle, but the vast majority of those who

fought and died for Afghanistan's freedom

like the Taliban regime that now holds sway

over most of that tortured nation were

Afghan nationals.

Yet the CIA, concerned about the

factionalism of Afghanistan made famous by

Rudyard Kipling, found that Arab zealots who

flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to

'read' than the rivalry-ridden natives. While

the Arab volunteers might well prove

troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they

at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet

for now. So bin Laden, along with a small

group of Islamic militants from Egypt,

Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian

refugee camps all over the Middle East,

became the 'reliable' partners of the CIA in

its war against Moscow.



WHAT'S 'INTELLIGENT' ABOUT THIS?

Though he has come to represent all

that went wrong with the CIA's reckless

strategy there, by the end of the Afghan war

in 1989, bin Laden was still viewed by the

agency as something of a dilettante a rich

Saudi boy gone to war and welcomed home by

the

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Real fear of market collapse tomorrow






Market Collapse Feared Imminent Following Manhattan  Washington Attacks.

David Guyatt - 11th September 2001


Senior executives in the Insurance industry predict that both the NY and
London stock markets will collapse following todays extraordinary events in
Manhattan  New York.

They privately estimate that losses could be as high as US$50 billion just
for the structural damage in downtown Manhattan.  The Subway system that
lies beneath the World Trade Centre together with numerous buildings and
other structures in the vicinity of the collapsed World Trade Centre are
also damaged, some apparently beyond repair.

Speaking in private, executives talk of a worst case scenario and predict
that the Dow Jones and England's stock market index, the Footsie, will
collapse tomorrow.  Reccomendations to sell from people in the know are
spreading throughout market-land.

ENDS


 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--
FONT COLOR=#99FREE COLLEGE MONEY
CLICK HERE to search
600,000 scholarships!
/FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick 
Here!/B/A
-~-

Please let us stay on topic and be civil.
To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs
-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org
OM

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[CTRL] Another Apologist

2001-09-11 Thread radtimes


-Caveat Lector-

I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar soaked
fingers
out of the business of these [Third World] nations so full of depressed,
exploited people,
they will arrive at a solution of their own. And if unfortunately their
revolution must be of
the violent type because the haves refuse to share with the have-nots
by any peaceful
method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American
style, which they don't
want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans.

   General David Sharp
(former United States Marine Commandant - 1966)

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] The 4th Passenger Jet Shot Down by Fighter jets

2001-09-11 Thread Jei


-Caveat Lector-

I was told that the 4th highjacked passenger jet was shot down
by US fighter planes in a sparsely populated area before it could
reach it's destination, but that news reports about it are being
censored.

Also, that the 3rd plane that hit Pentagon was shot down with
White House Missile defence systems.

Anyone have available any news material or comments on these?

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] FW: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01


-Caveat Lector-

 Another certainty is that, although I'm told 50,000 people worked
in the World Trade Center, more innocent individuals will die as a
result of what the Old Media are lovingly referring to as a lockdown
of Manhattan and other places, than any acts of terrorism that may have
occurred.

Point of fact, NYC has 170 hospitals, all of which are being utilized for
the disaster...

All roads and tunnels into Manhattan are closed for INBOUND traffic,
except for emergency personnel; both New Jersey and Connecticut
ambulances and EMT vehicles and personnel are being allowed in to assist
with the disaster.

No outbound traffic of any sort is being hindered...

Less seriously injured people have already arrived at the hospital in
Stamford, Connecticut, so there isn't a problem at this time with getting
the sick and injured necessary medical treatment...


The military has just said they'll shoot down any plane they
see flying. Only one civilian plane is in the air this morning, Air
Force One;

Actually Airforce One is military, not civilian...it is outfitted to
survive an EMP from a nuclear blast and act as an emergency operations
center for the Commander In Chief of the armed forces, aka The
President

It was just announced that two warships are heading to Manhattan to take
up posts; when asked why this was being done, the answer that was
reported was that 'it would make people feel secure'...


 All airports have been shut down today, and I shudder to think
about what flying will be like from now on.

A big question is why, with all the draconian measures already in place,
that not just 1 but 4 (and possibly a 5th) airplane was able to be
highjackedit may be impossible to ever determine just what weapon the
highjackers used to be able to take over the plane they highjacked...if
they used guns, how did they get thru security?



June

===
Check out Alternative Kite Radio at
http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com

Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere)
Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday)
===

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Missing aircraft?


-Caveat Lector-

There was just an interview with the FAA and management at LAX on the Telly.
If I heard correctly, the man from the FAA said that they couldn't account
for 5 aircraft. Has anyone else heard this? I don't expect this to be
repeated.

BHoward

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] The 4th Passenger Jet Shot Down by Fighter jets


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/11/01 12:25:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Also, that the 3rd plane that hit Pentagon was shot down with
White House Missile defence systems.

Anyone have available any news material or comments on these? 

A pilet whose apartment overlooks the pentagon saw the AA 757 go into the
pentagon. He did not make mention of any anti-aircraft fire.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: FTW Special Alert - Terrorism in America - Markets May Collapse

FTW SPECIAL ALERT

U.S. ECONOMY MAY BE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AS A RESULT OF ATTACKS. ALL PRECIOUS METAL
EXCHANGES DESTROYED WITH THE COMEX AT WORLD TRADE CENTER.

The most immediate results of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon may be felt throughout the U.S. economy within the next 3-5 days and
certainly in the next three weeks. As FTW has been noting in special subscriber
bulletins within the last week, the eve of the terrorist attacks was marked by
incredible instability in U.S. financial markets including the DOW. FTW had clearly
predicted a highly unstable economic situation marked by long-term artificially
suppressed gold prices and a $30 trillion derivatives bubble on the verge of exploding
as the DOW was poised for a simultaneous epochal implosion.

Initial indicators show that the London gold price rose by more than 5% in just the
first two hours after the bombings before the London markets closed. FTW predicts that
trading will be suspended on the NYSE for the immediate future and that a run on US
banks is a distinct possibility. Limited martial law is virtually a certainty and, if
coupled with a run on the banks, might produce even more severe restrictions of civil
liberties.

It is important to avoid speculation at present but one of the least understood
immediate effects of these attacks will be on the U.S. economy. The COMEX, the
centralized trading floor for all precious metals -- along with NY representative
offices for every major foreign national bank -- was destroyed as the World trade
center collapsed. So were all the records of gold pricing and sales.

Investor confidence and world confidence in US markets and the U.S. economy will
inevitably be impacted negatively. We must leave aside speculation about motive for
the moment. But if Osama bin Laden is officially named as the culprit, a host of
unpleasant questions will dog the U.S. government. Not the least of these is how the
CIA will explain that bin Laden was and is a CIA creation from the Afghan conflict of
the 1980s. FTW reported major holes in the government's official position vis a vis
bin Laden in 1998.

The logistical and financial infrastructure required for this attack was, in my
opinion, far beyond any known capability of any known terrorist organization. I
immediately rule out the Palestinians as suspects because it would be a suicidal move
on their part. As politicians like Kissinger and McCain call this an act of war one
glaring inconsistency jumps out: Who is the enemy and where are they? Henry Kissinger
was talking about retaliatory attacks even before there is ANY idea of where or whom
to attack.

With such a mentality the only place to attack is against the American people by
restricting civil liberties.

At this point FTW advises against panic and against a run on banks or food stores. The
most important thing we can do is to sit down with paper, pen and computers and
document every news report on every news agency, especially those overseas. We already
know that the major media cannot be relied upon to tell us the whole truth.
Perspectives from both the left and the right have given us a multitude of past
stories where the truth has been hidden rather than told.

The most important thing to watch now is the world economy and to rely on our own
ability to research, document, record and think for ourselves.

Mike Ruppert
Publisher/Editor
From The Wilderness
www.copvcia.com

___
Powered by List Builder
To unsubscribe follow the link:
http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=13190subid=3C010596E27118F1msgnum=6

[CTRL] Hegemony's Price


-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j091101.html

}}}Begin
September 11, 2001
SPECIAL EDITION
TERROR
The price of hegemony

{{{By Justin Raimondo}}}

The
  World Trade Center  monument of the New York
  business community, towering over downtown
Manhattan
  like twin silver phalli pointed at heaven 
  is but a pile of smoldering rubble. Crashing down
  along with this symbol of capitalism, modernity,
  and civilization is the overweening hubris of a
  government  and a people  who thought
  themselves immune. It is the doctrine of American
exceptionalism, the theory that the US 
  blessed by Providence and released from the travails
  faced by other nations  is exempt not only
  from the rules that govern and limit the powers
  of other nations, but also from history itself.
  For history  and not only history but physics
   tells us that for every action there is an
  equal and opposite reaction. No one is immune, and
  this is the meaning of the horrific events unfolding
  before our eyes.
Let's
reiterate what has happened: in a coordinated operation that
involved hijacking a plane from Boston, two aircraft dove into
the World Trade Center, leveling both buildings and (probably)
killing and injuring thousands. Not only that, but in
Washington,
D.C., the Pentagon itself was reportedly under attack, with
at least one explosion in the area: also the US State
Department
is the scene of yet more high drama, as it too is rocked by
explosions in the area and evacuated. It was a strange sight
indeed to see an F-16 jet fighter plane patrolling the skies
above New York City and the announcer's voice intoning in
a sepulchral voice that the primary election scheduled for
this morning in New York has been canceled.
Suddenly,
Americans wake up one day to find that they are living in
a Third World country. Would anybody be surprised to learn
that all civil liberties have been suspended, and martial
law declared? What is going on?
What's
going on is this: the war is coming home. The war fought by
America and its chief
Middle East ally against the Palestinian uprising has
moved from the streets of Gaza to the boulevards of the
imperial
metropolis. What Americans are facing, now, is what the
Israelis
face on a daily basis. For us, these attacks are a horror
of monumental proportions, something so out of the ordinary
that to call it unusual would be something of
an understatement: for the Israelis, this is a way of life.
The
Israelis recently had an election in which they made a
decision:
they would rather live this way than give in to the Palestinians'
demands. They elected Ariel
Sharon, an Israeli hawk, who vowed to take a tough line
against the Intifada.
The Palestinian response has been relentless: a vicious all-out
war fought by suicide-bombers targeting civilians. They voted
for it, they knew what they were getting into, and they have
steeled themselves to endure it. The question that poses itself
almost automatically is: when did we vote for it?
This
is the second Pearl Harbor. I don't think that I overstate
it, said Sen. Chuck
Hagel, R-Neb., a major congressional war hawk. The
reappearance
of kamikaze planes diving into American targets just a few
days after V-J (Victory over Japan) Day should
give us pause: the last time we faced down and beat such
fanaticism
was the occasion for a world war in which the entire nation
was mobilized and militarized, and there was talk of canceling
a presidential election. Are we willing to do that
again? And here is a sobering thought.
The
US mainland was completely unaffected by the last world war:

Re: [CTRL] 3rd try re one of yesterday's posts


-Caveat Lector-

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Samantha L. wrote:
  500 websites, many of them with an Arab or Muslim connection crashed as a
result.  It occurred to me that perhaps there was some forewarning, or
fore-suspicion of events.

The feds claimed that there were more than just 'an Arab or Muslim
connection', they trashed Constitutional rights because they claimed that
some of the sites hosted by the ISP were 'terrorist' sites...

Obviously the raid did a lot of good regarding forwarning of today's
events   :-7


June

===
Check out Alternative Kite Radio at
http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com

Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth)
Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere)
Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday)
===

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] It's offical FEMA implemented


-Caveat Lector-

Karen Hughes from Omaha.

Om
K

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Jospin ... (Pt 2)


-Caveat Lector-

From

www.wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : World Economy
Globalisation, Jospin and the political program of Attac
Part Two
By Nick Beams
11 September 2001
Back to screen version| Send this link by email | Email the author
The Tobin taxthe basis of Attacs programwas first advanced in 1972 in
the aftermath of President Nixons removal of the gold backing from the US
dollar in August 1971 and the collapse of fixed currency exchange rates.
Tobin was a follower of the English economist John Maynard Keynes, one of
the architects of the Bretton Woods monetary system. During the post-war
period, Keynes theories of regulated capitalism were the guiding ideology of
capitalist governments. Tobin recognised that unless some mechanism
could be found to slow down the international movement of capital, then the
policies of national governments would be undermined whenever they
conflicted with the demands of international financial markets. Accordingly,
he proposed that a taxrated at between 0.1 percent and 1 percentbe
charged on all international currency transactions. The tax would have little
impact on long-term investment because it would represent only a marginal
increase in the cost of capital for these purposes. However, in the case of
speculative movements of capital, taking place in many instances over a
matter of a few days, even a relatively small tax rate would represent a
significant impost. This would throw sand in the gears of international
finance, slow down the movement of hot money and allow national
governments more room to manoeuvre.
Since the tax was first proposed, the international financial market has
expanded exponentially. According to studies by the Bank for International
Settlements, the amount of money passing through international currency
markets has grown from around $18 billion per day in the 1970s to more than
$1,500 billion by the end of the 1990s.
The first point to note is that the imposition of a transaction tax would be
completely ineffective in the face of such global capital flows.
Notwithstanding the claims of its proponents, a Tobin tax could not have
prevented any of the major financial crises of the past decadethe collapse
of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism in 1992, the crisis of the
Mexican peso in 1994-95 or the Asian financial crisis of 1997-98.
This is because even if the tax had been set at the relatively high rate of 1
percent, it would have been completely outweighed by the scope of
subsequent currency devaluations. Such was the disequilibrium in financial
markets that the banks, financial institutions and global investment funds
would still have found it profitable to move their funds.
In other words, even assuming that agreement were able to be reached
among the rival capitalist powers about the need for such a taxand the
existence of conflicting interests virtually rules this outit would only be able
to operate in periods of relative stability on international markets. In the face
of vast movements of capital it would be powerlessunable to halt the
eruption of the very crisis it had been introduced to prevent.
Aside from the fact that it cannot meet its stated aim, there is a more
fundamental flaw in the Tobin tax program. This derives from its attempt to
separate the operations of the financial markets and the monetary system
from the capitalist economy as a whole. Such a method has a long history.
More than 150 years ago, in his polemic against the petty-bourgeois
anarchist Proudhon, Marx exposed the latters attempt to divide the relations
and economic mechanisms of capitalist society into two partsthe bad
and the good. As Marx demonstrated, a program based on the removal of
the bad, while retaining the good, was fundamentally flawed because the
two were, in fact, inseparable.
Proudhon, Marx wrote, does what all good bourgeois do. They all tell you
that in principle, that is, considered as abstract ideas, competition,
monopoly, etc., are the only basis of life, but that in practice they leave
much to be desired. They all want competition without the lethal effects of
competition. They all want the impossible, namely, the conditions of
bourgeois existence without the necessary consequences of those
conditions [Marx, Letter to P. V. Annenkov in The Poverty of Philosophy,
page 190].
The proponents of the Tobin tax follow in Proudhons footsteps. They are not
for the overthrow of capitalist social relations, but only for the regulation of
the bad side of the capitalist systemspeculative finance capitalallowing
the good side, productive capital, to flourish, thereby increasing the wealth
of all and restoring democracy.
However, an examination of the historical evolution of capitalism shows that
the emergence and dominance of finance capital is not some kind of
excrescence on an otherwise healthy body, but the expression of deep-
seated contradictions within the system as a whole.
When these contradictions erupt to

[CTRL] BSE Times ?


-Caveat Lector-

From

www.wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : Medicine  Health : BSE/CJD
Britain: Big increase in human form of Mad Cow Disease
By Paul Mitchell
11 September 2001
Back to screen version| Send this link by email | Email the author
The incidence of variant Creutzfeldt Jacobs Disease (vCJD)the human form
of Mad Cow Diseasehas increased 20 percent in the UK since last year.
In his announcement last week, Professor James Ironside, head of the CJD
Surveillance Unit in Edinburgh, said that instead of a flat line, we are now
seeing an upward trend that has been sustained for the past four quarters.
The total number of cases could vary between several hundred and 150,000,
he added. Professor Ironsides unit has released figures showing there are
now 106 confirmed or probable cases of vCJD, the fatal and incurable brain
wasting disorder in the UK. Most scientific opinion now accepts that the
disease is probably related to eating beef infected with BSE (Bovine
Spongiform Encephalopathy), or Mad Cow Disease.
Ironside also revealed that people in the north of Britain are twice as likely to
get the disease as those living in the south. He thought this could be due to
differences in genetic make-up, but was more likely to be the result of
differences in diet.
Professor Tim Laing, from the Centre for Food Policy, told the BBC that
differences in diet were a class issue. Cheaper meat products such as
pies, sausages and burgers often contained the most infective tissues such
as brain and spinal cord, before their use in the human food chain was
banned. Lower-quality meat products tend to be eaten by people on lower
incomes, so in the north-south gap we might be seeing the beginnings of a
class element to vCJD, Professor Laing said.
Other scientists are sceptical that regional differences in diet are the cause
of a north-south gap in the distribution of vCJD. But the resolution of this
scientific question has been hampered by the actions of the food
manufacturers, who for several years have refused to give statistics to
epidemiologists about the use and distribution of mechanically recovered
meat (MRM), a product widely used in meat pies, sausages and so-called
economy burgers and which has also been included in soups and prepared
meals. The MRM slurry is obtained by blasting cow carcasses with high-
pressure water jets after removal of the prime cuts. Members of the
governments Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee (SEAC)
complained last month that they had tried for five years to get the meat
industry to provide the information.
The British Meat Manufacturers Association (BMMA) has said the
information is difficult to obtain or is non-existent, although it seems only
twelve premises processed MRM. A report in the Independentnewspaper
said the BMMA did carry out its own confidential survey in 1997, but the data
was lost during an office move. The BMMA also says it raised the need for
an official survey in 1997-98 after Labour came to power, but it wasnt done.
The MRM information is vital for scientists such as epidemiologists trying to
understand its role in the spread of vCJD. After a two-year investigation, the
official BSE Inquiry, set up by Labour shortly after coming to office in 1997,
said, it is now clear is that this was the route by which infectious material
was most likely to enter the human food chain.
In 1989, the Conservative government banned the most highly infective
tissuebrain and spinal cordfrom human consumption. However, it still
allowed the backbone to be used to obtain MRM, provided the
slaughterhouses could guarantee 100 percent removal of the spinal cord. The
BSE Inquiry pointed out that a Ministry of Agriculture report in 1990 on
slaughterhouse practices might have led one to expect such failures [of that
guarantee]. Even if the spinal cord had been removed, other infective nervous
tissue such as the dorsal root ganglia would be left behind.
The government was reluctant to ban the use of MRM, arguing that meat
industry profits would be affected. At that time, over 5,000 tons of MRM were
produced each year, worth about £3 million.
According to the BSE Inquiry, at its meeting in August 1994, SEAC agreed
not to ban the use of backbones in MRM when Ministry of Agriculture
officials gave assurances that the spinal cord was being removed. At its
meeting in June 1995, a ban was considered again but was postponed; one
reason given was that the impact of prohibiting the use of spinal columns on
the meat industry would be enormous. The BSE Inquiry also notes that
despite assurances, some officials already realised there were potentially
serious failings in the ability of slaughterhouses to completely remove the
spinal column.
At its November 1995 meeting, SEAC learned that checks had found spinal
cord contaminations on 17 separate occasions in 16 slaughterhouses, and
recommended a ban on the use of cattle backbone in MRM, which the
government finally

[CTRL] information and tenant data for the World Trade Center Towers to help officials and media


-Caveat Lector-

   Group

   CoStar Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: CSGP), the Internet based,
leading provider of information services to the U.S.
   commercial real estate industry, is releasing building
specific information and tenant data for the World Trade
   Center Towers to help officials and media to adequately
assess and identify the tenants leasing space on the
   affected floors.

   At full occupancy, the two towers combined have approximately
45,000 people occupying space based on the
   typical ratio of employees per square foot. Each tower is a
total of 4.7 million square feet.

   North Tower Building Information
   North Tower Tenants
   North Tower Typical Floor Plate
   South Tower Building Information
   South Tower Tenants
   South Tower Typical Floor Plan

   For more information contact:

   Richard Ellis
   Phone: 301-280-7692

   Pamela Silberman
   Phone: 301-280-3808

   Craig Beckjord
   Phone: 301-280-7679

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Worthwhile ?


-Caveat Lector-

This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows.
To view this item online, visit
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?24420

Tuesday, September 11, 2001
DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Who's responsible
for this bloodbath?
Bin Laden linked with Arafat, Palestinians glorify suicide attacks
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
Before the dust and debris even settles in the worst attack on American soil
since Pearl Harbor, the question of responsibility is on everyone's mind.

Some analysts suggest the flamboyant attack involving the commandeering
of multiple U.S. airliners and suicide crashes into strategic targets has the
signature of Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden.

Bin Laden is known to have pilots on his payroll and has been fond of airliner
hijackings in the past.

But Bin Laden hardly operates in a vacuum. In fact, he has close ties with
many other terror groups and leaders -- including Hamas and Yasser Arafat.

WorldNetDaily reported last April that Bin Laden was set to join Arafats
uprising against Israel.
According to the intelligence report, the U.S. tipped off Israel that Bin
Ladens al Qaeda cells and networks in Lebanon were complete and ready to
launch strikes in Israel. They operate under the command of Imad
Mughniyeh, terrorism and intelligence consultant to Iranian spiritual leader
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the report. As former head of the Lebanese
militant Hezbollahs security apparatus in the 1980s, Mughniyeh was
responsible for the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy and Marine barracks
in Beirut and the blasting of Israeli locations in Argentina.

The Bin Laden-Mughniyeh alliance for terrorizing the West is long-standing. It
was forged in the early 1990s by the Egyptian-born former U.S. army
sergeant Ali Mohamed, who, on Oct. 20, 2000, became the first of bin
Ladens associates to plead guilty in a U.S. court to conspiring with the
Saudi terrorist.

Mohameds confession is the key to convicting the five suspects (of a list of
22) who are currently on trial before the Manhattan federal court for the 1998
bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 223 people
including 12 Americans. The U.S. indictment against him cites Mohamed as
revealing that Bin Laden and Mughniyeh carried out joint operations in the
past with direct support from Iran.

Furthermore, Arafat's organization has experience and history in hijackings.
In September 1970, the Fedayeen hijacked four aircraft in one day.

Even today in the Palestine Authority's official newspapers, suicide bombers
were once again glorified.

In Al Hayat Al Jadida, the man responsible for a suicide bombing two days ago was 
characterized as a hero.

The suicide bombers of today are the noble successors of their noble predecessors  
the Lebanese suicide bombers, who taught the U.S. Marines a tough lesson in (Lebanon) 
 and then, with no preconditions, they threw the
last of the remaining enemy (Israeli) soldiers out of the (security) zone, reported 
Al Hayat Al Jadida today. These suicide bombers are the salt of the earth, the 
engines of history  They are the most honorable (people
) among us.



According to today's Jerusalem Post, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of 
Palestine is claiming responsibility for the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, although 
some DFLP sources deny any involvement.

According to that report, Eli Carmon, in the counter-terrorism department of Israel's 
Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center, said the Palestinian group, if responsible, has a 
lot to lose because America would react very hars
hly against the Palestinians, however it is not impossible that a radical group was 
involved.

Carmon also noted that the World Trade Center has been targeted once before in 1993, 
when a bombing killed six people and injured more than 1,000. He said that there have 
been threats by unidentified Islamic groups to tar
get the World Trade Center again if Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, the militant Egyptian 
cleric, who is serving a life sentence in the US after his conviction in a plot to 
bomb the United Nations and New York landmarks, was no
t released.

Agreeing that terrorist mastermind Osama Bin-Laden may well be involved, Carmon 
characterized the alleged terrorist attack as a declaration of war on the U.S. and 
advised the U.S. to react in an extremely harsh manner.





If you'd like to sound off on this issue, please take part in the WorldNetDaily
poll.
Related stories:

U.S. at war with terror
Hundreds treated for injuries
~~~
Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material
is distributed without charge or profit to those who have
expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information
for non-profit research and educational purposes only.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of

[CTRL] Sound off


-Caveat Lector-

Go to World Net Daily and post your questions
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

 Copyright 2001, WorldNetDaily
 What would you like to ask President George W. Bush about today's tragic terror
 attack on the United States?

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Gold and the Euro


-Caveat Lector-

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials/gold_euro.html
Gold and the Euro


The European Monetary Union (EMU) is scheduled to start by January 1, 1999.
So far Luxembourg is the only country to fulfill the tight Maastricht
criteria for joining the Euro, but it is nevertheless likely that most of the
European Nations will be allowed to join the common currency. This will be
made possible through higher taxes and creative accounting during 1997, and a
somewhat permissive re-examination of the nations' good will in maintaining a
tendency towards achievement of the two main criteria of the Maastricht
treaty: (1) annual deficit at less than 3% of GNP, and (2) outstanding
national debt at less than 60% of GNP. If necessary, an ultimate adaptation
of the debt criteria could be adopted during the Amsterdam Conference of
Governments scheduled in June '97.

Recent polls in Germany and France show that the man in the street is not yet
convinced by the Euro. The French are afraid of loosing decision power in
their national economic policy, whereas the Germans who have faced two major
inflations in 1923 and 1947 fear that it will be all over for the mighty
Deutsche Mark. The rulers have therefore scheduled a continentwide
advertisement campaign in order to explain the advantages of the new currency
to the masses.
There is no doubt
that something is
brewing in Europe:
Rumors of Euro
backing by gold, and
of politicians buying
physical gold










At present, the German and French governments' main concern is preventing
capital flight to save heavens like Switzerland, Liechtenstein, or Monaco. On
the French side, a projected law for lowering the tax ceiling (which still
stands at a staggering 85% of total income) was rejected in December, leading
tens of Billions. of French Francs to Geneva. On the German side, a rather
benign question by a Swiss opposition deputy regarding the usefulness of 40%
backing of Swiss Franc by gold during recession times has been largely
promoted by the press, so as to let the masses believe that gold backing of
Swiss Franc is a matter of the past. There's literally no chance of success
in the outcome of the referendum necessary for such a move.

There is no doubt that something is brewing in Europe: Rumors of Euro backing
by gold, and of politicians buying physical gold, have been circulating in
Germany since a few years. It is a well established fact that corporations
and private investors in Europe have taken significant positions in Canadian
and Australian gold exploration companies. The 1993 gold sales of the Central
Banks of the Netherlands and Belgium have been seen as a move to level out
gold reserves to approximately one ounce per capita throughout the future
European Monetary Union. So far this officious target has not been seriously
questioned, but still it should be stressed that if we take into account the
quite likely future opening of EMU to eastern countries, this target would
definitely be missed.

This led a few politicians, among those eager to fulfill Maastricht criteria
ahead of their colleagues, to propose gold sales by their central banks in
order to ease their debt burden. The logical conclusion of this kind of
standpoint is that these politicians simply ignore how much money they owe,
since not one European country has enough gold for paying a mere three months
of interest alone on its public debt. It therefore appears very unlikely that
any central bank gold sales will take place in order to achieve EMU criteria.
It therefore appears very
unlikely that any central bank
gold sales will take place in
order to achieve EMU criteria.







In the present state of the art of European central banking, gold is an asset
of monetary reserve and the property of the individual nation's people.
Handing over 14,400 metric tons of gold to the monetary reserves of the
soon-to-be European central bank would require constitutional amendments in
many countries. Which politician in any given country will take the
responsibility for doing this? Furthermore, gold's potential role as a
monetary reserve for trading goods may seem outdated to many European voters
since Richard Nixon closed the gold window. The US is riding astronomically
high trade and balance deficits without giving away its gold reserves. Europe
would do the same if this situation occurred within its borders. Therefore,
the use of European gold as a per capita reserve asset or as a monetary
reserve for trade can reasonably be questioned in the present geopolitical
and economic European environment.

However, European gold's potential role for backing the Euro as a new
currency would have several political advantages which could prove to be
decisive in the upcoming competition between US$, Euro, and Yen as reserve
currencies:
1.  Establishing confidence by the Europeans during the difficult start up
phase
2.  Prevention of flight of capital from present hard currency nations to
Switzerland
3.  Providing some

[CTRL] Unusual Suspects


-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.middleeastwire.com/newswire/stories/20010911_3_meno.shtml

}}Begin
Middle East Newswire
Japan's Red Army Claims Responsibility for US Attacks: Al Jazeerah
Middle East News Online
By Middle East News Online Reporter
Posted Tuesday September 11, 2001 - 01:38:29 PM EDT
Amman (MENO) - In an unconfirmed report, sources from the Amman offices
of Al Jazeerahsatellite news channel indicated that a call came in from a
caller who was speakingArabic with an accent claimed that the Japanese
Red Army is claiming responsibility for today's attacks against U.S. targets
in New York and Washington D.C.
Middle East News Online has been unable to verify these claims.
The communist group said that the attacks came in retaliation for US atomic
bombs thatkilled thousands of Japanese in the World War II in Hiroshima
and Nagasaki.
The Japanese Red Army is an international militant group formed around
1970 afterbreaking away from Japanese Communist League-Red Army
Faction. The JRA was led by Fusako
Shigenobu until her arrest in Japan in
November 2000. The JRA's historical goal has been
to overthrow the
Japanese Government and monarchy and to help foment world revolution.
Earlier today, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine initially
took
responsibility, but later an official from the organization denied any
involvement.
Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat condemned the attacks.
© 2001 Middle East News Online. This news itemis distributed via Middle
East News Online (MiddleEastWire.com).

End{{




From
http://www.middleeastwire.com/newswire/stories/20010911_7_meno.shtml

}}Begin
Middle East Newswire
US Muslims Shocked: Condemn Attacks
Middle East News Online
By Middle East News Online Reporter
Posted Tuesday September 11, 2001 - 02:39:50 PM EDT
Durham, NC (MENO) - Muslims and Arabs all over the United States are
expressing shock at the attacks that have occurred in New York and
Washington. We condemn these cowardly attacks against American
citizens and we call on Muslims and Arabs in the united States to provide
any assistance possible in this tragic incident. Said Fadi Chahine,
executive editor for Middle East News Wire, a North Carolina based news
service company.
In the past, when attacks against the U.S. occurred many Americans and
Middle East Specialist have been quick in blaming American Muslims and
Arab-Americans, and we hope this will not be repeated. Chahine added.
The spokesman for a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, Ibrahim
Hooper, says he is devastated  by the tragic events. Of course, all Muslims
anywhere would condemn utterly these apparently vicious and  cowardly
acts of terrorism against innocent civilians, he  said. And we would join
with everyone in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the
perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral
acts.
Mr. Hooper is national communications director of the  Council on American
Islamic Relations. He says it is too early to know if the attacks are in
reaction to American foreign policy.
The American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC), today also
condemned the apparent terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and
offered condolences to the families of those who were killed or injured.
American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and
cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. The statement said
1) We feel that our country, the United States, is under attack
2) All Americans should stand together to bring the perpetrators to justice
3) We warn against any generalizations that will only serve to help the
criminals and incriminate the innocent
4) We offer our resources and resolve to help the victims of these intolerable
acts, and we pray to God to protect and bless America
© 2001 Middle East News Online. This news item is distributed via Middle
East News Online (MiddleEastWire.com).

End{{
~~~
Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material
is distributed without charge or profit to those who have
expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information
for non-profit research and educational purposes only.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe
simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not
believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do
not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not
believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men.
Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it
agrees with

[CTRL] FC: Anonymous remailer operators start to take remailers offline (fwd)

-Caveat Lector-

[From a remailer operators mailing list. The discussion arose in response
to the attacks. --Declan]

From: Len Sassaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: status of randseed
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT)

Randseed's been taken offline, as a precautionary measure. All mail
currently destined for randseed will be bounced.

We'll be back online at sometime in the future

From: J.Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Opinions on Operations due to bombings.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:46:37 -0700
Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate

I no longer run an anon remailer but I still operate a public proxy.

By now everyone is aware of the bombings here in the USA.

So, do we suspend anon communications channels during the crises or do we stay
operational.

Opinions?
--
Jean Francois - JLF Sends...
Once at a social gathering, Gladstone said to Disraeli,
I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some
vile disease. Disraeli replied, That all depends, Sir, upon
whether I embrace your principles or your mistress.

From: Len Sassaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Opinions on Operations due to bombings.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT)

I'm not concerned that the remailer network is, was, or will be used by
the actual terrorists. What concerns me is the assholes who will
inevitably send bogus threats, tips, and other noise to various news
groups, federal offices, and officials.

I don't want to get caught in the middle of this. I'm sorry. I'm currently
unemployed and don't have the resources to defend myself. At this point
in time, a free-speech argument will not gain much sympathy with the feds,
judges, and general public.

And investigators don't need more noise to sort through. They'll have
enough as it is.

I'd like to see remailers continue operating. But this needs to settle.
I may put mine into middle, mix only mode if I feel up to it..

-
POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list
You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice.
Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/
To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html
This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/
-

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Now Is The Time for Americans to Defend America (fwd)


-Caveat Lector-

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
(Subscribe/UnSubscribe instructions near the end of the message)

September 11, 2001

ALERT: Now Is The Time for Americans to Defend America

Everybody in America now knows that on Tuesday, September 11,
three aircraft were crashed into the World Trade Center and
the Pentagon. These crashes appeared timed and were part of a
planned terrorist action. The death toll will likely exceed
that caused by the Imperial Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
that started World War II. This coordinated attack was an act
of war.

Some years ago Israel bombed a nuclear plant in Iraq. World
opinion largely condemned Israel's actions, but Israel warned
that if the world does not get rid of Iraq's terror threat,
then that threat will get worse.

Welcome to worse.

We don't now know whether the terrorist attack on the U.S.
came from Iraq. We don't know whether more attacks will come,
or how or where.

We know that terrorists have repeatedly promised to attack U.S.
population centers, and that:

1. The World Trade Center was undefended against any air attack.

2. The Pentagon was undefended against unexpected air attack.

3. The airliners carried nothing but unarmed and undefended
   people.

The common factor: undefended.

What renders Americans undefended? The idea that we don't need
to defend ourselves -- the culture of disarmament -- delivered
to the terrorists many thousands of potential aircraft full of
people who had *no* means to stop an onboard terrorist. Even
the pilots and crew were federally guaranteed to be unable to
resist hijackers by force.

What rendered the Pentagon, an obvious military target,
undefended? The belief that it didn't need defending against
air attack. The people inside were victims of government
decisions not to provide defense against relatively easy
attacks from the air.

All of the air attack victims are victims of government
decisions not to expose, disrupt or wipe out aggressors who
have announced their intentions to attack America.

As a nation, we have put all of our safety eggs into the basket
of government and military. That's a mistake.

You will soon hear proposals to impose heightened domestic
security. Some will call for martial law. Many more will
urge complete disarmament of Americans, just to make sure
that the terrorist threat is reduced.

We can expect to hear calls to curtail citizens' rights because
of the threat. We will hear this event changes our ideas about
how free a free society can be.

Wrong. Now is the time to *defend* a free society, not destroy
it in fear. Now is the time to *protect our civilization*, not
to collapse it because of acts of war.

Now is the time, not to disarm ourselves and resign to
government protection, but to arm Americans against terrorist
attacks. More Americans have to take active part in defending
our nation, our communities, our families, ourselves.

America must again become the nation with whom no one tangles --
because our citizens are armed and determined to fight
aggression to the death.

Terrorists must learn: Americans don't get terrorized --
Americans get prepared to fight back.

The Liberty Crew
JPFO


We shall defend our [nation], whatever the cost may be, we
shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing
grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we
shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Winston Churchill, June 4, 1940.



Original Material in JPFO ALERTS is Copyright 2001 JPFO, Inc.
Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long
as the following JPFO contact information is included:

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
PO Box 270143
Hartford, Wisconsin 53027

  Phone: 1-262-673-9745
Orders only: 1-800-869-1884 (toll-free!)
Fax: 1-262-673-9746
Web: http://www.jpfo.org/

JPFO ALERTS is provided as a free service to the Internet
Community. If you wish to help support this service, consider
joining JPFO! $20/year (no, you don't have to be Jewish!)
Join for 2 years and receive a free JPFO lapel pin!
Life Membership: $500 or $41.67/month for 12 months.

To SUBSCRIBE to JPFO Alerts: send a blank e-mail to:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UN-SUBSCRIBE to JPFO Alerts: send a blank e-mail to:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To CHANGE your subscription address:

send an message to the UN-SUBSCRIBE address from your
OLD e-mail address,

and send a SUBSCRIBE message from the NEW e-mail address.

For SUBSCRIBE messages, respond to the confirmation message you
will get back from Topica.com.

JPFO has no control over which ads are attached by Topica.com!


-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

[CTRL] Dya of terror casts shadow over Middle East



http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550265,00.html

Day of terror casts shadow over Middle East

Today's terrorist attacks in the US could have disastrous consequences for
the Middle East, says Derek Brown

Tuesday September 11, 2001

Following today's terrorist attacks in the US, the finger of suspicion will
inevitably point at the Middle East, at Palestinian groups and at the wider
Islamist militant movement.

Even if that suspicion proves unjustified - as it was in the aftermath of
the
1995 Oklahoma bombing by Timothy McVeigh - the calamities which engulfed
America today are certain to send shockwaves through a region already in
turmoil.

It is, on the face of it, wildly unlikely that any of the known Palestinian
militant groups were involved. They may have the will to commit such
atrocities, but almost certainly lack the capacity or the organising ability
to do so.

The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) was said in an
early news report to have claimed responsibility, in a telephone call to a
television station in Qatar. That report was followed by a flood of denials
from the group's headquarters in Damascus, and from spokesmen in the West
Bank.

Indeed, the idea of the DFLP carrying out such a series of attacks would be
risible, were it not for the tragic context. The group has been around for
some 30 years, and undoubtedly has a paramilitary apparatus. But it is tiny,
and for years the leadership has been more interested in political struggle.

Much more compelling is the case for implicating Osama bin Laden, the
renegade Saudi-born billionaire and Islamist zealot, who last month boasted
that he would launch an unprecedented attack on the US.

Bin Laden is based in Afghanistan, where he has the protection of the
Taliban
regime in Kabul. Significantly, the Taliban ambassador in the Pakistan
capital, Islamabad, called a hurried press conference this afternoon at
which
he unequivocally condemned the New York and Washington attacks.

The condemnation could have been an attempt to pre-empt punitive attacks on
Kabul by US cruise missiles, as happened after the bombings of the American
embassies in Kenya and Tanzania just over three years ago.

If Bin Laden is identified as the mastermind behind today's carnage, the US
may be expected to go to any lengths to eliminate him. And if Palestinians
turn out to have been involved, even peripherally, there could be alarming
implications for the Middle East.

The Palestinians are already besieged in the occupied territories. An
undeclared low-intensity war is raging between militants and the Israeli
army, bringing almost daily fatalities.

The Middle East peace process is dead in the water. Relations between
America
and Israel are cool - between America and the Arab world they are icy.

Arab leaders were furious with Washington for siding with Israel at the UN
racism conference in Durban last week. Both countries walked out rather than
accept even a watered down version of a resolution equating Zionism with
racism.

At street level throughout the Arab world, America has never been so
despised. There were reports from Jerusalem this afternoon of spontaneous
celebrations breaking out in the West Bank. In the fraught aftermath of the
spectacular attacks, that appalling imagery could spark a violent reaction.

The most powerful nation on earth has been shocked to its roots. It has been
shown to be humiliatingly vulnerable. In the fraught aftermath of the most
spectacular act of terrorism on record, the temptation to lash out must be
tremendous.

It will be tempting too for the hawks in the Israeli government to press the
case for a once-and-for-all military solution to the year-long Palestinian
intifada.

Should Israel unleash its full military might against the occupied
territories, it could do so without any serious fear of US disapproval, let
alone interference.

There is, of course, just a chance that the shocking events in America could
jolt the political leaders into a new push for a peace settlement. Precedent
points in quite another direction.

The dark skies over the Middle East have never been so menacing.

[CTRL] ADC suggests Mossad involvement


-Caveat Lector-

Assalamu'alaikum,

Statement from the American Anti Discrimination Committee:

Tuesday, September 11, 2001

Subject: Attacks on Washington, N.Y.

Dear ADCers and Friends,

As we woke up today to the tragic news of three plane crashes into N.Y.C
and Washington, please allow me to share with you the following points
that are an early statement of ADC Fresno:

1. We have been, for a long time, trying as Arab-Americans to bring to the
attention of the American people the atrocities being committed around the
world, using American weapons subsidized by our tax money, as is the case
with Israel. Israel has been receiving in excess of $10 Million a DAY in
aid, mostly in the form of guns and warplanes being used to terrorize the
civilian population of Palestine. We have repeatedly warned that such
policy will eventually bring the U.S. into this conflict as a direct
party. The decision by successive U.S. administrations to ignore such
atrocities, and the arrogance with which this administration has dealt
with the issue only expedited this eventual confrontation. We have said it
before, the children of Palestine are are left with no hope other than war
against those gunning them down, and those supplying them with the means
to do so. Violence begets violence! What do you expect when you wage war
against a people that have done you no harm..?!

2. Regardless of early indications of responsibility, this has the
appearance of a well-orchestrated attack on a global level. Whereas I
would like to believe that Ben Laden (mentioned as a possible suspect
already) is capable of logistically masterminding such an operation, I
would not discount the prospect of the Mossad having a hand in this.
Worldwide, public opinion has been steadily moving away from support of
Israel, and has started seeing the Palestinians as the victims they are,
in spite of substantial P.R. campaigns waged by Israel. This could very
well be (another) attempt by Israel to demonize Arabs and Muslims, and to
bringing them to a direct military confrontation with the U.S. The hope
would be to turn public opinion around, enabling the current vicious
Israeli government to quench Sharon's thirst for blood with a free hand
and even more overt U.S. support. This should quiet down the criticism of
the American people towards their governments collusion with Israel
against Palestinian civilians..., so goes the theory. The Mossad has
performed similar acts in the past, as has been documented by its own
(Victor Ostrovsky- By Way of Deception), and I wouldn't be surprised if
they had a hand in this one as well!

Arab-Americans, in general, and Fresno area ADC members express their
deepest sympathies and condolences to the victims of this attack and their
families. Blood shed, on either side, is not something we stomach, and we
condemn this attack, as well as the daily attacks against Palestinians in
the occupied territories. We take this opportunity to call on all parties,
again, to stop the cycle of violence that has spread beyond the immediate
borders, as has been expected. We call upon the United States government
to exercise its global responsibility by playing the role of moderator and
bringing the parties to the negotiation table.

Ghassan AbulGhanam
President
See: http://www.adc.org/



ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin

TO SUBSCRIBE:
To subscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the body type: subscribe inin-net

TO UNSUBSCRIBE:
To unsubscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the body type in: unsubscribe inin-net

   ISLAMIC NEWS AND INFORMATION NETWORK: HTTP://WWW.ININ.NET

 VISIT: HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET

  WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE


 DEFINING APARTHEID

Article 2 of the International Convention of the Suppression and
Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973 clearly defined the
term crime of apartheid. This includes similar policies and practices
of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and
which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the
establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over
another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions
calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other
measures preventing a racial group from full development of their
political, social, economic and cultural life.  This is an accurate
description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people
with the full support of the USA.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing

[CTRL] 9-11-XX


-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.eskimo.com/~recall/bleed/0911.htm

}}Begin
Our Daily Bleed...
--
In summer's mellow midnight,
A cloudless moon shown through
Our open parlour window
And rosetrees wet with dew.
   Charlotte Bronte, The Night-Wind, September 11, 1840
--
SEPTEMBER 11
FITZ HUGH LUDLOW
The Hashish Eater, an American Thomas De Quincy.
ETHIOPIAN NEW YEAR: (Diocletian era) Celebrated by giving bunches of
flowers  picnicking in fields of daffodils.
Hungary: HARVEST FESTIVAL.
Diocletian New Year, 1711

-- WRENCH IN THE WORKS DAY.
1227 -- Plague strikes the 5th Crusade, of Fredrick II, ending it. (F)Red is
shocked. He was advised by Beloved  Respected Comrade Leader Pat
Robertson the plague would hit Orlando.

1589 -- Barbara Huebmeyer, Appela Huebmeyer  Anna Schnelling burned as witches.
1762 -- Writer Joanna Baillie lives.

1773 -- Benjamin Franklin writes,
There never was a good war or bad peace.

1812 -- Luddite Potato riot in Nottingham, England.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6576/
http://www.fun1st.com/
http://www.mshamash.com/spud/spudgun1.html
1841 -- All members of Beloved  Respected Comrade Leader President John Tyler's 
cabinet resigns, with the
exception of Daniel Webster, who stayed on to finish negotiating a treaty.  The
resignations came after Tyler vetoed a banking bill sponsored by Beloved  Respected 
Comrade Whig Leader
Henry Clay, an affront for which he was literally read out of his own party.
1861 -- Juhani Aho lives (1861-1921). Journalist  the first Finnish professional 
writer, best known Finnish author in Scandinavia in his own time, who specialized in 
short stories called lastuja (splinters).
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/jaho.htm
1862 -- O. Henry (William Sydney Porter) lives, Greensboro, North Carolina. American 
author, jailbird, master of the short story  surprise ending.
Started a humorous weekly The Rolling Stone in 1894.
After release from prison for embezzlement as a bank teller, he writes such stories as 
The Gift of the Magi  The Last Leaf. Vachel Lindsay compliments him:
He always worked a triple-hinged surprise / To end the scene  make one rub his eyes.
Published 10 collections  over 600 short stories during his life time. Despite the 
popularity his last years were shadowed by alcoholism, ill health  financial problems.
http://www.dcr.state.nc.us/nc/ncsites/greensbo/O_henry.htm

1862 --
1862
Joshua Norton I, Dei Gratia Emperor of the United States  Protector of Mexico, He 
Demands Suitable Attire
WHEREAS, avaricious persons  others are conspiring against our person, right  
dignity by refusing to supply us with suitable clothing, although repeatedly requested 
to do so;  WHEREAS, the national dignity  rights are
 thereby injured; NOW, THEREFORE, we command that you proceed on receipt of this our 
decree forthwith to the tailors, Walter  Tompkins, on Montgomery Street of this city, 
 then  there proceed to take the rivets out of
their shears  prohibit any person from repairing them or furnish them with new ones 
until they shall furnish us with our clothing, which they have long ago been requested 
to do.
Given under our hand this 11th day of September, 1862.
http://www.zpub.com/sf/history/nort.html
http://www.notfrisco.com/nortoniana/
1885 -- Novelist, poet, essayist D. H. Lawrence lives, Nottingham, England.
D. H. LAWRENCE
1998 Saint. Passionate  explicit moralist of religious, sexual rebirth.
...Lawrence really was the educated son of  a coal miner, sitting under a tree that 
was rapidly becoming part of a world-wide, disemboweled hell, writing hard, painful 
poems, to girls who carefully had been taught the ar
t of unlove...
  Kenneth Rexroth, Bird in the Bush
Best known for his book Lady Chatterly's Lover, wherein the Lady takes up an interest 
in pruning. The book was banned for a time in both the UK  the U.S. as pornographic. 
In the UK it was published in unexpurgated form i
n 1960 after a obscenity trial.
http://users.aol.com/mikeb1/rexroth/classicsall.html
http://www.bibliomania.com/Fiction/dhl/index.html
1893 -- 443 Hoh Indians move to new reservation established on coast of Olympic 
Peninsula, Washington state.
1895 -- India: Vinoba Bhave, land reformer, lives.
1901 -- Katri Vala lives (1901-1944). Finnish poet, critic, school teacher, central 
member of the literary group Tulenkantajat (The Fire Bearers). Vala also wrote poems 
that were radical in the social views  attacked war
  Fascism.
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/jaho.htm
1903 -- Frankfort School theorist Theodor Adorno lives.
Rather than subject, nature became object, made alien. Men pay for the increase of 
their power with alienation from that over which they exercised their power. The quest 
for knowledge  power becomes war against nature, m
an declares war upon himself.
The body becomes both machine (a tool in the process of production  advancement)  
the animal body the subject of experiment, control, vivisection. In the process of 
turning nature into substance  matter,

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes

2001-09-11 Thread foxter




I have taped NBC 
coverage live since l0 am.
People are welcome to 
a copy of the videotapes,I am soon to start #3, but I have no 
facility to reproduce it.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nurev Ind. 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The 
  Bombings -- Start Taking Notes
  -Caveat Lector-Kris Millegan 
  wrote: 
   
  Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes Date: Tue, 11 
  Sep 2001 09:49:33 -0700 From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: "CIA Drugs list" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Now is the time that all of us need to be the best investigators that we 
  can possibly be. I suggest that, in the earliest moments, some of us 
  take responsibility for monitoring CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and MS-NBC 
  to log reports as they come in. As with previous stories of lesser 
  magnitude our strengths lay in keeping side by side evaluations and 
  watching for discrepancies and alterations.Nurev is on 
  it.J2 Effective response and evaluation will be 
  based upon fact and careful analysis. These first minutes and hours 
  are critical and we will never have them again. Please try to avoid 
  speculation as you what will happen or who did what. We only waste the 
  precious minutes that we have that will never be here 
  again. Whatever is going to happen is now beyond our control. 
  It is already too late to change these immediate events. I have the 
  same fears as all of you. I strongly suspect that martial law will be 
  imposed fairly quickly. Avoid speculation, please and become 
  information vampires. Prayers and peace to 
  all. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.comA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
  exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. 
  Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 
  'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright 
  frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects 
  spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, 
  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
  Caveat 
  Lector.Archives 
  Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA 
  HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives 
  of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A 
  HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo 
  subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE 
  CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To 
  UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF 
  CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om

[CTRL] Hijacked Planes Destroy Twin Towers, Burn Pentagon


-Caveat Lector-

Tuesday September 11 4:35 PM ET

Hijacked Planes Destroy Twin Towers, Burn Pentagon

By Alan Elsner and Arthur Spiegelman

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the worst attack on American soil
since Pearl Harbor, three hijacked planes slammed into the Pentagon (news -
 web sites) and New York's landmark World Trade Center on Tuesday,
demolishing the two 110-story towers that symbolize U.S. financial might.

Horrific scenes of terrified people fleeing the mayhem flashed across TV
screens as the mighty twin towers located near the tip of Manhattan imploded
one at a time, sending a massive plume of dust and smoke billowing over the
city.

No death toll was immediately available but officials feared the number could
climb into the thousands, as 40,000 people alone worked in the steel and
glass Trade Center.

New York officials said hundreds of firefighters and police may have
perished trying to save others.

World leaders condemned the attack and vowed to stand together against
international terrorism. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder called the
strikes a ``declaration of war against the civilized world.''

The attacks presented President Bush (news - web sites) with the sternest
test of his eight-month presidency. He cut short a trip to Florida and flew to a
Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska, after stopping briefly in Louisiana where
he vowed to bring those responsible to justice.

The attacks, which involved the hijacking of four commercial planes -- two
from Boston, one each from Newark and Dulles, outside Washington --
brought normal life across the United States to a standstill, turning the major
cities of the nation into eerie ghost towns.

All financial markets were closed, millions of workers sent home early, all
flights around the nation were canceled and all airports shut in an
unprecedented move. Markets were to remain closed on Wednesday.

KAMIKAZE ATTACK ON PENTAGON

It began shortly before 9:00 a.m. (1300 GMT) when the first plane slammed
into the north tower in the heart of New York's financial district, opening a
massive hole near the top. With TV stations showing the scene live, a second
plane followed 15 minutes later, scoring a direct hit on the south tower.

Minutes later came the report of a third kamikaze attack on the Pentagon,
home of the Defense Department in North Virginia, across the Potomac
River from Washington. That building, too, burst into flames.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was in the building and tried to assist
the victims before being evacuated.

Then came the deadliest blow of all as first one and then the second of New
York's twin towers collapsed in a burst of smoke, fire and metal and a mighty
roar.

Not knowing if more was on the way, authorities evacuated key landmarks
like the White House, the fire-damaged Pentagon, the Sears Tower in
Chicago, the CIA (news - web sites) building and the Walt Disney theme
parks. All baseball games were canceled.

It was the worst attack on American soil since Japanese war planes bombed
the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, killing 2,280 soldiers and 68
civilians and forcing the United States into World War Two.

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told CNN, ``This is comparable to
Pearl Harbor and we must have the same response and the people who did
it must have the same end as the people who attacked Pearl Harbor.''

Lawmakers called it an act of war which the United States must avenge. No
group took immediate responsibility for the attack but suspicions centered on
an implacable U.S. enemy -- exiled Saudi Osama bin Laden (news - web
sites), whose followers were held responsible for murderous attacks on U.S.
embassies in Africa.

266 ABOARD FOUR HIJACKED PLANES

There were a total of 266 people on board the day's four hijacked planes --
two that crashed into the twin towers, one that slammed into the Pentagon
and a fourth that crashed in a wooded area near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

But it could be days or weeks before the total death toll becomes clear.

``I wouldn't want to say what the death toll could be. It will be a horrible
number. I saw people dropping out of windows,'' a shaken New York City
Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites) told ABC News, adding that 200
firefighters were missing.

``I looked outside and saw a big chunk of the World Trade Center missing,''
said Verizon employee Ellen Leon. ``Fifteen minutes later I saw people
jumping out of the building. Bodies were flying out. I don't know if they were
already dead or if they were just going to die.''

Tuesday's attacks triggered scenes of panic, disbelief and heroism in the
largest U.S. city, where police and firefighters risked their lives to save
people from the 110-story twin towers before its 200,000 tons of steel frame
came smashing down, covering lower Manhattan in a shower of soot.

``It's nuts, there is debris and dust everywhere, and it looks as though a
volcano erupted down there,'' said Michael DeVita, who was

[CTRL] I smell a rat here. (fwd)

-Caveat Lector-

I smell a rat here.  Mike Rivero, Tue Sep 11 15:51
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

===

Subject: [APFN] Re: Glued to TV
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:30:43 -0700
From: American Patriot Friends Network [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: http://www.apfn.org/old/apfncont.htm

Keep checking APFN message board for Intel updates:
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

Pass the word!
==
Lorraine DiFelice wrote:

 Ken,

 I'm glued to the tv today - making charts on the events, etc. I'll watch tv
 and listen about the bombings -- but I will wait to hear from you before I
 believe what's really happening. Keep me up to date on this. I'll post to
 the web.

 Lorraine
=

Flight 11 on Sept 11
American Airlines
They play games with names and numberslet's connect the dots.

From: D
===
NATIONAL EMERGENCY / FEMA  EXECUTIVE ORDERS, Tue Sep 11 13:29
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=8699
==
Just recieved this from World Action.

 -Original Message-
 From: spiritsinthenight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 11 September 2001 18:25
 To: michael

 [Yahoo! Clubs: Chem Trail Tracking USA]
 I know someone in the world trade center and they called on cell
 phone... They were warned 45 minutes before first hit to leave building.
 Return to Chem Trail Tracking USA:
 http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=8708
==
==
SHOWTIME
KNOW that the building had to be loaded with bombs. Those building came down
like a Disney production. There will be no evidence. We have seen this
BEFORE!!!
===

America is at War! Hold All postings!  APFN, Tue Sep 11 14:54
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

American Patriot Friends Network (APFN)
http://www.apfn.org
APFN EMAIL LIST SUBSCRIBE/UNSCBSCRIBE IN SUBJECT LINE TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
APFN YahooGroups:
Subscribe:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn/join
Unsubscribe:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
APFN CONTENTS: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/apfncont.htm
APFN MSG BOARD: http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

APFN SITE MAP:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/sitemap.htm

Public Education System vs Christian Home Schooling
Home School News, Info.  Links
http://www.ordination.org/homeschool.htm

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask
not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those
who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget
that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: Chickens Come Home To Roost : We Should Not Be Dying For Israel ; Bill W...






Chickens Come Home To Roost
We Should Not Be Dying For Israel

9/11/01 10:03:26 AM
Bill White

Statement -- Brief statement:

The New York World Trade Center and the DC Pentagon have beeen bombed,
likely
by Muslims angry at our involvement in Israel and Iraq.  We have killed
more
than two million in Iraq, and have allowed the Israelis to kill thousands.
Now
we die.

In the words of Malcolm X:

The chickens are coming home to roost.

End US aid to Israel.  End Us involvement in Iraq.  No war with the Muslim
World.

Libertarian Socialist News
Post Office Box 12244
Silver Spring, MD 20908

http://www.overthrow.com
(check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!)

(Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com)

[CTRL] U.S. Attacks May Signal Global Recession


-Caveat Lector-

Tuesday September 11 4:41 PM ET

U.S. Attacks May Signal Global Recession

By Mark Egan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New York's World Trade Center, an icon of global
capitalism, crumbled on Tuesday after a series of attacks, leaving Wall
Street in clouds of smoke and rubble and raising the specter of a global
recession.

As global stock markets plunged and oil prices soared after terror attacks on
landmarks in New York and Washington, economists said a global recession
was almost certain.

Analysts speculated the events could prove a death knell to U.S. confidence
and could send already wary investors fleeing to gold and other assets which
benefit in uncertain times.

For years the United States has been seen by investors everywhere as a
safe haven -- a place where trillions of dollars could be invested, offering
returns typically better than those available in Europe and elsewhere.

But terrorist attacks that caused both towers of the World Trade Center to
collapse and left the U.S. Pentagon (news - web sites) in flames will have a
devastating effect on confidence in the U.S. economy, which was already
teetering on the precipice of recession, economists said.

Markets were shut across the United States, which attracts almost two-thirds
of all global capital flows, in the wake of the attacks. This added to the
uncertainty about how American markets would react to the tragedy.

``A full-blown global recession is highly likely,' said Sung Won Sohn, chief
economist at Wells Fargo  Co. in Minneapolis.

``Recently, the economy has been on a high wire act straddling between a
recession and an anemic growth; (this) damage to confidence will push us
into a recession,'' he said.

The U.S. Federal Reserve (news - web sites) confirmed it was open and
operating and that its discount window would provide liquidity as necessary.
Federal Reserve Bank of New York President William McDonough, speaking
in Switzerland, said the U.S. central bank would, ``provide that liquidity which
is needed.''

Later, the European Central Bank said it also stood ready to provide liquidity
to keep financial markets functioning.

UNTOLD DAMAGE

Economists said there could be untold damage to the U.S. financial system,
noting many key stock market players in the World Trade Center building
were likely killed.

Sohn said he expects a ``stampede'' of sell orders once American stock
markets reopen, and a run on insurance companies, possibly crippling the
financial system and forcing the U.S. Fed to cut interest rates even further.

The Fed has already cut rates seven times this year by total of three full
percentage points to try to reignite sputtering economic growth.

The unprecedented assault on key symbols of U.S. military and financial
power came as growth around the globe slows to a crawl. The U.S. economy
is barely growing, Europe's is slowing rapidly and Japan's actually contracted
in the second quarter.

``This could really trigger a global recession,'' said Frank Holmes, chief
executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc.

Kevin Logan, an economist at Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein in New York
summed up the feelings of many, saying Tuesday's events meant, ``it won't
be business as usual'' anymore.

``People will begin to invest and spend less as they try to determine what the
future will bring. I can only imagine the stock market is very vulnerable,'' he
said.

Before the attacks, the International Monetary Fund (news - web sites) had
expected global growth of just 2.7 percent this year, down from almost 5
percent last year, with the risk of a global recession rising -- the top item on
the agenda at the upcoming meeting of leading industrial nations in
Washington later this month.

Against that backdrop, economists said the worst-case scenario could be a
massive capital flight out of U.S. assets -- something that could crush already
weak U.S. stock prices and banish the American economy into its first
recession in more than a decade.

RISK OF PANIC

``The major risk is panic in the financial markets,'' said Kathryn Kobe, an
economist at Joel Popkin  Co. in Washington. ''If for some reason the
United States is no longer seen as a safe haven for capital...there could be
some very large capital movements.''

Soaring oil prices in 1999 are widely blamed as a key reason the world
economy began to slow late last year. Tuesday's spike of more than 10
percent in world crude prices to over $31 a barrel was eyed nervously by
analysts, who said higher oil prices would also hamper economic growth.

Parts of the U.S. economy, notably the manufacturing sector, are already in
recession. But American consumers have remained confident, helping prop
up the broader economy. Economists said that confidence will most likely be
rocked by Tuesday's events.

And the tumble in stock prices -- if sustained when the New York stock
market eventually reopens -- could deal a hammer blow to consumer
confidence and spending, which in the U.S. has proved

[CTRL] Nostradamus Prediction


-Caveat Lector-

 The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
 Fire approaches the great new city.

 By fire he will destroy their city,
 A cold and cruel heart,
 Blood will pour,
 Mercy to none.  (Guentte)

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Who is bombing Kabul?


-Caveat Lector-

CNN is reporting live that cruse missiles are incoming at Kabul? This is
faster response that I antisipated.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: What To Do In Response To The Anti-Israeli Suicide Bombings In The US : ...






What To Do In Response To The Anti-Israeli Suicide Bombings In The US
And Some More Info On Why The World Trade Center Was Targeted

9/11/01 4:44:40 PM
Bill White

Commentary -- People have been calling me today and asking me about this
bombing, what to do
and what to say.  Here are my recommendations and talking points.

1)  The reason the World Trade Center was targeted, I am told, is because
it
housed one of the US government's secret anti-terrorism courts, and that a
follower of Osama bin Laden was to be tried there tomorrow.  Recognize
that as
long as the US, under pressure from the Israeli lobby, denies terrorists
their civil rights and civil liberties, and subjects them to abuses, there
will
be retaliation against the forces involved.

2)  The reason for the attack was not innate hostility to the West by
Islam.
The reason for the attack was the US subsidy of the Israeli murder of
Palestinian and Arab people in the name of Jewish national socialism and
the
Jewish theocratic state.  As long as the US maintains support for Israel,
there
will continue to be attacks on US citizens.

3)  The Israeli lobby, which has been a champion of the denial of civil
liberties in this nation, particularly the First and Second Amendment, is
working through the media to campaign for taking away the rights of
Americans
in the name of security.  We should know that we would not be insecure
if our
government stuck to the principles of our Founding Fathers and ignored the
foreign entanglements in which the Israeli lobby has placed us.  The
Israelis
lobby creates the situation that leads to our endangement, and then uses
that
endangerment to demand the revocation of our liberties.  What will save us
is
not taking away our civil rights, but taking away the Israeli lobby.

4)  We have murdered more than two million in Iraq.  More than ten
thousand
Muslims died in the Sudan from disease after we bombed their
pharmaceutical
factory.  We have bombed Afghanistan.  We bombed buildings in downtown
Serbia
with the same irrational hatred that these buildings of ours have been
bombed.
We have gotten what we deserve.  The chickens have come home to roost.

5)  The solution to this problem is not the continuing disintegration of
our
society in the name of imperialism and totalitarianism, but a return of
our
society to simpler times and honest government, and to do that, we must
start
by purging international capitalism, international social democracy,
internationalism period, and the internationalist desire for imperial
domination of foreign nations, from our power structures.

Let me also note that I have been touring the area today, and I have seen
that
US military personell (Marines) have been deployed to guard the County
Executive building (not the one near the courthouse, but the one on Shady
Grove
Road -- I haven't been near the courthouse), and that there is heavy
police
presence at all Islamic cultural centers in the area.  I saw Arab
businessmen
installing American flags outside their businesses in several places in
this
country, and even 7-11 is keeping their Arab employees out of sight.  In
my
opinion, it is not Arabs we should be angry at, but Jews -- and not all
Jews,
but only the small, elite, hyper-nationalist sect which has taken control
of so
much influence in our government.

There have also been regular flights of military jets overhead as far
North as
Southern Frederick County all day in the area.

I would encourage all LSN readers to call their local radio and television
stations, try to get on the air, and let people knoe that the only rogue
terrorist nation responsible for this attack is Israel and the traitors in
the
United States that have gotten us entangled in their foreign, alien,
religious
wars.

Libertarian Socialist News
Post Office Box 12244
Silver Spring, MD 20908

http://www.overthrow.com
(check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!)

(Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com)

[CTRL] The Fall of the World Trade Center

2001-09-11 Thread Damaeus


-Caveat Lector-

Watch the fall of the buildings carefully.  It looks like it's exploding
from the top down.  It looks very similar to how it looks when buildings
are demolished.  I think it's likely the top half of the building could
have been rigged with explosives.

Damaeus
--
..
| AIM:Damaeus   |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| ICQ:18405845  |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings |
|---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv |
| YahooMessenger:Damaeus |  http://www.web-recon.com |
''---'

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: Palestinian Authority (Yassir Arafat) Statement On Attacks : Minister Ab...






Palestinian Authority (Yassir Arafat) Statement On Attacks
Minister Abed Rabbo Condemns Attacks Against the United States

9/11/01 4:50:42 PM
PA Press Release

Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine -- Minister Abed Rabbo Condemns Attacks
Against the United States

11 September 2001

Palestine Media Center  PMC

http://www.palestine-pmc.com

On behalf of the Palestine National Authority, Mr. Yasser Abed Rabbo,
Minister
of Culture and Information issued the following statement:

This is an international catastrophe. The culprits and reasons of this
most
horrific crime must be tackled. Those who stand behind these terrorist
actions
must be found and punished most harshly. The Palestinian People stand
united in
expressing their sincere grief to the American People. Our hearts are
filled
with sorrow, grief, pain, and utter shock and our prayers go out to the
People
of the United States at these horrific moments. 


Libertarian Socialist News
Post Office Box 12244
Silver Spring, MD 20908

http://www.overthrow.com
(check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!)

(Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com)

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: WORLD TRADE CENTER





  In 1991, a blind Muslim cleric named Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman was on the
State Dept's list of the Top 200 Known and/or Suspected Terrorists. That same
year, the Sheik applied for and was given a B-2, Non-immigrant
"Visitor-for-Pleasure" visa, to enter the US for a 6-month visit, at the US
Embassy (run by the State Dept) in Khartoum, Sudan, with the help of a CIA
agent.
 Once here, the Sheik began preaching his incendiary gospel of hatred of
the West, in mosques in Brooklyn, Queens, and Newark. One of his followers,
Ramsi Yousef, engineered the first World Trade Center (WTC) bombing. A man
named Salem had the Sheik's trust and confidence, but was informing on Yousef
and the Sheik, to the FBI. He reported, in December 1992 (just weeks before
the Feb. 23, 1993, bombing), that Yousef's group was going to engage in a
Jihad (holy war), targeting certain landmarks in NYC, including the WTC,
Holland Tunnel, UN Building, and Statue of Liberty, and that the attack would
take place in late winter or early spring of '93. What was done to avert the
bombing? Nothing.
 But wait, there's much more. In the mid-'80s, the CIA paid US Marine
Recon Rangers, and US Army Green Berets, to train a bunch of Arab guerillas
in Pakistan. Their paychecks were drawn on a CIA account at BCCI. The
"Spiritual Leader" of the guerillas, who prayed with them each morning, was
 Omar Abdel Rahman!
 If you think for one minute that the CIA and/or the FBI had no clue
whatsoever as to what was going to happen this morning, you're a fool.
Somebody knew something, but, just as was the case in '93, nothing was done.
The question is ... Why? My guess is, as it has been since before I wrote
about these things in my book "Circle of Death" (Huntington House, 1995),
that we're being set up to become subject to some form of martial law.

 Richmond Odom



Please let us stay on topic and be civil.
To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs
-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org 
OM



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [CTRL] 9-11-XX

How about 9-11-78
Signing of Camp David Accords...

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] 9-11-XX

2001-09-11 Thread foxter




Does it for me, 
thanks Bill


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  William Shannon 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] 9-11-XX
  How about 9-11-78 Signing of Camp David Accords... 
  Bill.

[CTRL] Crash at the Pentagon

2001-09-11 Thread Damaeus


-Caveat Lector-

I find it interesting that the plane crashed right at the HELipad.
HELLipad?  I wonder if it was a message that either (a) they say America
is going to Hell, or (b) they think America is Hell.  They do think
America is The Great Satan.

Damaeus
--
..
| AIM:Damaeus   |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| ICQ:18405845  |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings |
|---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv |
| YahooMessenger:Damaeus |  http://www.web-recon.com |
''---'

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] U.S. Attacks May Signal Global Recession


-Caveat Lector-

Gee, this just might scoot CIA-Drugs off the little bit of face time is was
receiving. And they problem blame the failure of intel on some misgivings
about working with the drug trade. The stamp from oversight shall soon have
a new hoodwink and on the way to unlimited approval and funds.

W know has one of his stated reasons to raid the piggy bank. War. 

Om
K

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Who is bombing Kabul?

2001-09-11 Thread Damaeus


-Caveat Lector-

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:09:28 EDT, Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said:

 CNN is reporting live that cruse missiles are incoming at Kabul? This is
 faster response that I antisipated.

Russia is on alert and Putin has expressed his support for the USA.  The
attack could be from Russia, but I've heard nothing on the news
proclaiming that this is so.

Damaeus
--
..
| AIM:Damaeus   |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| ICQ:18405845  |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings |
|---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv |
| YahooMessenger:Damaeus |  http://www.web-recon.com |
''---'

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Who is bombing Kabul?

2001-09-11 Thread RobG


-Caveat Lector-

Saber rattling or direct knowledge of who's behind it?
Rob



 CNN is reporting live that cruse missiles are incoming at Kabul? This is
 faster response that I antisipated.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Report shows EPA 'greatly underestimated' cancer risk of arsenic in drinking water


-Caveat Lector-

Report shows EPA 'greatly underestimated' cancer risk of arsenic in drinking
water

By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (September 11, 2001 11:52 a.m. EDT) - A National
Academy of Sciences report indicates the Environmental Protection Agency
has greatly underestimated the cancer risks of arsenic in drinking water,
according to EPA officials and other environmental experts familiar with the
report.

The report being issued to EPA Administrator Christie Whitman this week,
which has been kept under wraps, says the cancer risks are much higher
than the agency had previously acknowledged under the Clinton and Bush
administrations, the officials said Monday.

For the first time, the Bush EPA is conceding it will be hard-pressed not to
accept arsenic standards for drinking water at least as stringent as those
adopted by the Clinton administration but put on hold by the Bush
administration.

This makes it more difficult, Whitman spokeswoman Tina Kreisher said
Monday. Their study reinforces the cancer risks. ... If anything, they believe
that there is more risk than the EPA thought previously.

In particular, the 189-page report reinforces that the cancer risks are high
even for low levels of arsenic in tap water. The current standard of 50 parts
per billion of arsenic in drinking water has been in place since 1942.

Arsenic is both a naturally occurring substance and industrial byproduct,
entering the water supply from natural deposits and pollution. It is found at
high concentrations in Western mining states and other areas heavy with
coal-burning and copper smelting.

One of former President Clinton's last actions, three days before leaving
office in January, was to adopt a tougher standard of 10 ppb, but the Bush
administration suspended that, citing the high costs to local communities of
implementing that standard and calling for additional study while questioning
the scientific basis for the Clinton rule.

The standard was suspended until next February, leaving in place at least for
the time being the 50 ppb arsenic standard. The Bush administration had
said the EPA lacked evidence to justify the $200 million annual cost to
municipalities, states and industry of meeting the Clinton standard by 2006.
Whitman also had convened an EPA working group to study costs to local
communities.

Now, however, the academy report says that even at 3 ppb, the risk of
bladder and lung cancer is between four and 10 cancer deaths per 10,000
people, according to one person who's seen the report. The EPA's maximum
acceptable level of risk for the past two decades for all drinking water
contaminants has been one in 10,000.

It really is a bombshell because it says EPA severely underestimated the
cancer threat by several fold, said Erik D. Olson, a senior lawyer for the
Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group whose lawsuits
forced the Clinton administration to propose a new standard. The bottom
line is that they clearly should be going below 10 parts per billion in the new
standard.

While the report makes no recommendations more specific than that the
standard should be set lower than 50 ppb, its authors studied the health
effects of establishing a standard of 3, 5, 10 or 20 ppb - as was requested by
Whitman. At each level, the study found, the cancer risks were much higher
than the EPA had estimated.

The report points to health effects other than cancer that should be
considered, including heart disease, high blood pressure and diabetes. It
also rejects arguments by industry and some local water utilities that there is
a clear, safe threshold below which arsenic does not cause cancer.

Lawsuits by NRDC since last year initially prompted the Clinton
administration to propose a standard of 5 ppb, but after industry protests it
was set at 10 ppb. NRDC is now suing the Bush EPA over its decision to
suspend the Clinton arsenic rule and for ignoring a June 22 congressional
deadline for having a new plan to reduce arsenic levels.

Congress amended the 1974 Safe Water Drinking Act last fall and ordered
the EPA to adopt a new arsenic standard by this summer.

Six Democratic senators have publicly announced they would file papers in
support of NRDC's lawsuit, but the court has not yet set a timetable for those
papers to be filed.

The lawsuit alleges the administration violated provisions of the Safe
Drinking Water Act and the Administrative Procedures Act by suspending
the Clinton standard. It is being taken up in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the
District of Columbia Circuit.

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the

Re: [CTRL] Gold up $13.50


-Caveat Lector-

No, it is dollars, not percent.

Steve

On 11 Sep 01, at 15:27, Fernando Sobral wrote:

 13.50 % . not $

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/09/01 15:23 
 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.eurogoldline.nl/

 Om
 K


A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] (unconfirmed) fwd Barbara Olson in Pentagon Plane Crash

2001-09-11 Thread Samantha L.

-Caveat Lector-

Subj:RE: [the_octopus] Barbara Olson in Pentagon Plane Crash
Date:   9/11/01 3:13:51 PM Central Daylight Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas, Kenneth F.)

I've heard that Barbara Olson died on the plane that crashed at the
Pentagon. Olson was the wife of the Solicitor General and was part of the
Blondes for Bush--right wing (blonde) women seen in abundance in the media
defending Bush. She wrote an anti-Hilary Clinton book.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Another Republican Sex Fiend/Pedophile

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/politics/article/0,1299,DRMN_35_818035,0

0.html



Republican will plead not guilty to child sex
GOP activist is accused of session with 13-year-old


By Lynn Bartels, News Capitol Bureau
He named his dogs after Presidents Reagan and Nixon. He tirelessly campaigned
for Republican candidates. He signed on as one of Gov. Bill Owens'
re-election coordinators.

Randy Ankeney, 30, was a fixture in El Paso County Republican politics until
his arrest in July in a sex scandal involving a young girl.

"I think Randy worked on just about every campaign down here," said Sen. Andy
McElhany, R-Colorado Springs.

The Colorado Springs attorney and former state employee is accused of giving
alcohol and marijuana to a 13-year-old Fountain girl he met through the
Internet, using the moniker "coloradofella."

She told police she allowed him to photograph her topless, but became
frightened when he tried to take off her pants and asked her to touch him.

"She began to cry, begging him to leave her alone," an arrest affidavit
states.

Ankeney's lawyer, Kevin Donovan, said Wednesday the affidavit contains a
"number of misstatements" made to police.

"I'm confident that we're going to win this once all the facts are out,"
Donovan said. "There are things that will show that he's not guilty."

Ankeney, who declined to comment, is scheduled to appear in El Paso County
District Court today.

Donovan said Ankeney will waive his right to a preliminary hearing and plead
not guilty to a variety of charges, including sexual assault on a child,
contributing to the delinquency of a minor and possession of drug
paraphernalia.

A trial date will be set today.

Ankeney had worked since November as one of the governor's economic
development representatives. He resigned his $63,000-a-year state job after
the arrest.

Owens' spokesman, Dick Wadmans, said he had no idea that Ankeney was listed
on Owens' 2002 re-election Web site as the El Paso County coordinator until
after the arrest.

McElhany said he was surprised to learn his colleagues considered him
Ankeney's "mentor."

"Really?" he said. "I knew him, of course, but that's because he was involved
in a lot of campaigns around here."

By all accounts, Ankeney is closest to Rep. Bill Cadman, R-Colorado Springs,
a freshman lawmaker. Cadman said he was reluctant to comment.

Ankeney had once worked as an intern for U.S. Rep. Joel Hefley. His wife,
state Rep. Lynn Hefley, said she cried when she heard about the arrest, both
for Ankeney and for the girl.

"Randy is such a talented young man," she said. "If the charges are true, he
threw his life and his career away."

The 13-year-old told police that she and her friend were chatting via the
Internet on July 21. The friend asked her to message a man with the screen
name "coloradofella" and tell him to leave her alone.

The 13-year-old said she messaged "coloradofella" and they chatted. She told
him she was "around 14" and he said he was 25, according to the arrest
affidavit. He then got her phone number, called her at home and asked about
her sexual preferences, she told police.

"He thought they would be good in bed," the affidavit states.

"Coloradofella" arranged to pick up the teen-ager several houses away from
her home, police said. The girl said she then told him she was 13 and planned
to run away. They drove to his house in the 600 block of East Vrain Street,
where she said she saw numerous pictures of President Bush, according to the
affidavit.

The girl said she and the man, who called himself "Ron," watched television,
drank and smoked marijuana. He photographed her topless and she fell asleep,
according to the affidavit.

The girl told police she awoke to find "Ron" rubbing her back with lotion.
When he tried to undress her, she became upset and he apologized.

She said he told her if she told anyone "he would ruin her life."

Re: [CTRL] (unconfirmed) fwd Barbara Olson in Pentagon Plane Crash


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/11/01 3:44:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've heard that Barbara Olson died on the plane that crashed at the
Pentagon. Olson was the wife of the Solicitor General and was part of the
Blondes for Bush--right wing (blonde) women seen in abundance in the media
defending Bush. She wrote an anti-Hilary Clinton book. 

Do you think THEY had anything to do with it?

A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Italian Serial Killer,Satanic Sects Italian Secret Service

http://ads.guardian.co.uk/html.ng/Params.richmedia=yeslocation=bottom
spacedesc=03site=Observernavsection=1362section=102275rand=4705254



Italian mass killer 'was servant of Satanic sect' 

Rory Carroll in Rome
Sunday September 9, 2001
The Observer 

The blood has long dried and corpses no longer turn up among the cypresses, 
but Tuscany's horror story has acquired a sensational twist. The Monster of 
Florence may have been a Satanic sect bankrolled by the secret service. 

The murder and mutilation of courting couples over nearly two decades was a 
saga that was thought to have ended with the fatal heart attack of Pietro 
Pacciani, the farm labourer convicted of the crimes. 

He would disappear into a landscape of woods and vineyards on moonless nights 
to collect gruesome trophies with a .22 Beretta revolver and a knife. 

The first to die, in August 1968, were Antonio Lo Bianco, 29, and Barbara 
Locci, 32, who were shot in a car at point-blank range on an isolated lane on 
a week end. A pattern was set. Another seven couples were to die, the last in 
September 1985. 

Pacciani, stocky and tough, was convicted of the crimes in 1994 and died four 
years later. Italy consigned the case to history. Except that last week 
evidence surfaced suggesting Pacciani was not the Monster. He was merely the 
delivery-man to a Satanic sect, which commissioned the murders to obtain 
human body parts for ceremonies, said investigators. 

The real monsters were allegedly the wealthy and respected members of Tuscan 
society - including a doctor, ambassador and an artist - who to this day have 
remained undetected. A cover-up involving secret service agents and missing 
money is now said to be unravelling. 

Last week detectives from Florence raided the homes and offices of Aurelio 
Mattei, a psychologist with the secret service, Sisde, and of Francesco 
Bruno, Italy's leading criminal psychologist. 

Computer disks, books and notes about the killings were confiscated and both 
men were questioned for up to nine hours. 

Neither is a murder suspect and they have not been charged, but detectives 
believe they may have withheld evidence from the original investigation into 
Pacciani, for which they were retained as consultants. 

In 1992 Mattei wrote a book, Rabbit on Tuesday, which anticipated evidence 
uncovered only since the investigation was reopened earlier this year. 

Bruno, a regular guest on chat shows, outlined the theory of an occult sect 
in a report commissioned by the secret service in 1985 - before the final 
killing. He sent it to Vincenzo Parisi, who has since risen to head the 
service, but the report was never forwarded to police. 

The head of Florence's detective force, Michele Giuttari, discovered its 
existence only recently, after groping towards the same theory. 

The report suggested the mutilations - the women's left breast and pubic area 
were removed - could have been used in occult ceremonies and even told of a 
remote villa where they could have taken place. 

Pacciani worked as a gardener in Villa Verde, a former nursing home, which 
police belatedly searched in 1997. 

Giuttari wants to know why the secret service buried the report during a 
parallel investigation, which spent hundreds of thousands of pounds from a 
'black fund', of which no records were kept. 

Giuttari hopes that following the money trail could lead to a breakthrough by 
revealing suspects who were protected by Sisde. 'We will clarify everthing 
and in good time,' he said. Two members of the secret service have been 
questioned. 

Detectives never closed the investigation, even after Pacciani died and two 
of his friends, Mario Vanni and Giancarlo Lotti, were convicted for helping 
him. There were too many loose ends. 

Pacciani's conviction was overturned and he was facing retrial when he died. 
The original verdict of a heart attack has been discredited and his death is 
now being treated as murder. The investigating magistrate, Paolo Canessa, 
believed Pacciani's heart attack in February 1998 was triggered by drugs to 
silence him lest he reveal the real monster, or monsters. 

Giuttari thinks the illiterate labourer's unexplained wealth - two houses and 
£50,000 in the bank - were payments from the sect. The leader is thought to 
be a doctor. 

The novelist Thomas Harris, sitting in on the hearings, appeared to share the 
suspicions and set Hannibal, his follow-up to Silence of the Lambs, in 
Florence.

[CTRL] Fwd: ALERT: Now Is The Time for Americans to Defend America

2001-09-11 Thread Tenorlove


-Caveat Lector-

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
 America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
 (Subscribe/UnSubscribe instructions near the end of the message)

 September 11, 2001

 ALERT: Now Is The Time for Americans to Defend America

 Everybody in America now knows that on Tuesday, September 11,
 three aircraft were crashed into the World Trade Center and
 the Pentagon. These crashes appeared timed and were part of a
 planned terrorist action. The death toll will likely exceed
 that caused by the Imperial Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
 that started World War II. This coordinated attack was an act
 of war.

 Some years ago Israel bombed a nuclear plant in Iraq. World
 opinion largely condemned Israel's actions, but Israel warned
 that if the world does not get rid of Iraq's terror threat,
 then that threat will get worse.

 Welcome to worse.

 We don't now know whether the terrorist attack on the U.S.
 came from Iraq. We don't know whether more attacks will come,
 or how or where.

 We know that terrorists have repeatedly promised to attack U.S.
 population centers, and that:

 1. The World Trade Center was undefended against any air attack.

 2. The Pentagon was undefended against unexpected air attack.

 3. The airliners carried nothing but unarmed and undefended
people.

 The common factor: undefended.

 What renders Americans undefended? The idea that we don't need
 to defend ourselves -- the culture of disarmament -- delivered
 to the terrorists many thousands of potential aircraft full of
 people who had *no* means to stop an onboard terrorist. Even
 the pilots and crew were federally guaranteed to be unable to
 resist hijackers by force.

 What rendered the Pentagon, an obvious military target,
 undefended? The belief that it didn't need defending against
 air attack. The people inside were victims of government
 decisions not to provide defense against relatively easy
 attacks from the air.

 All of the air attack victims are victims of government
 decisions not to expose, disrupt or wipe out aggressors who
 have announced their intentions to attack America.

 As a nation, we have put all of our safety eggs into the basket
 of government and military. That's a mistake.

 You will soon hear proposals to impose heightened domestic
 security. Some will call for martial law. Many more will
 urge complete disarmament of Americans, just to make sure
 that the terrorist threat is reduced.

 We can expect to hear calls to curtail citizens' rights because
 of the threat. We will hear this event changes our ideas about
 how free a free society can be.

 Wrong. Now is the time to *defend* a free society, not destroy
 it in fear. Now is the time to *protect our civilization*, not
 to collapse it because of acts of war.

 Now is the time, not to disarm ourselves and resign to
 government protection, but to arm Americans against terrorist
 attacks. More Americans have to take active part in defending
 our nation, our communities, our families, ourselves.

 America must again become the nation with whom no one tangles --
 because our citizens are armed and determined to fight
 aggression to the death.

 Terrorists must learn: Americans don't get terrorized --
 Americans get prepared to fight back.

 The Liberty Crew
 JPFO


 We shall defend our [nation], whatever the cost may be, we
 shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing
 grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we
 shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
 Winston Churchill, June 4, 1940.


 
 Original Material in JPFO ALERTS is Copyright 2001 JPFO, Inc.
 Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long
 as the following JPFO contact information is included:

 Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
 PO Box 270143
 Hartford, Wisconsin 53027

   Phone: 1-262-673-9745
 Orders only: 1-800-869-1884 (toll-free!)
 Fax: 1-262-673-9746
 Web: http://www.jpfo.org/
 
 JPFO ALERTS is provided as a free service to the Internet
 Community. If you wish to help support this service, consider
 joining JPFO! $20/year (no, you don't have to be Jewish!)
 Join for 2 years and receive a free JPFO lapel pin!
 Life Membership: $500 or $41.67/month for 12 months.

 To SUBSCRIBE to JPFO Alerts: send a blank e-mail to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To UN-SUBSCRIBE to JPFO Alerts: send a blank e-mail to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To CHANGE your subscription address:

 send an message to the UN-SUBSCRIBE address from your
 OLD e-mail address,

 and send a SUBSCRIBE message from the NEW e-mail address.

 For SUBSCRIBE messages, respond to the confirmation message you
 will get back from Topica.com.
 
 JPFO has no

[CTRL] Fwd: new newsgroups had appeared relating to today's events