from:"K"

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From: "National Organization for Women" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 4:35 AM
Subject: now-action-list Women Will Benefit from Ergonomic Standards

 Please feel free to forward the following to activists:

 From the National Organization for Women Action Center:

 Action Alert
 Women Will Benefit from Ergonomic Standards

 ACTION NEEDED BY FEB. 1ST:

 Please send a short letter  in support of a proposed ergonomics program
 standard (ergonomics is the science of fitting the job to the worker) to
 the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) of the U.S.
 Department of Labor no later than February 1st.  The address is below, or
 you can email your message via their website at http://www.osha.gov or fax
 comments of 10 pages or less to the Docket Office at 202-693-1648.

 Adoption of the standard will reduce the risk of injury and illness to
 workers who must do repetitive tasks or lift heavy weights. Work-related
 musculoskeletal disorders (MSDs) such as back injuries and carpal tunnel
 syndrome are the most prevalent, expensive and preventable workplace
 injuries in the U.S.

 The majority of affected workers are women -- many of them in
 manufacturing, nursing homes or other physically-stressing positions.

 Some business and industry sources have opposed adoption of the standard
 and have conducted an extensive letter-writing and grassroots campaign
 against it.

 Letters from employers who support reasonable standards, and letters from
 employees at risk of MSDs, would be effective.  Please stress the
 importance of reducing the risk of MSDs for women workers.

 BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

 In announcing the proposed standard on Nov. 22nd, Secretary of Labor
Alexis
 M. Herman noted that A300,000 workers could be spared from painful,
 potentially disabling, injuries, and $9 billion can be saved each year.@
 OSHA has studied the problem of work-related MSDs for a number of years
and
 has concluded that a set of practical and flexible standards be adopted.
 (Details on various studies and research reports can be found on the OSHA
 (address at end of message.)

 About one-third of general industry worksites (approximately 1.9 million)
 would be affected and 27 million workers.  Many large employers have
 ergonomics programs in place, but numerous smaller employers do not. The
 department has concluded that each year about 1.8 million workers sustain
 work-related musculoskeletal disorders, such as injuries from
over-exertion
 or repetitive motion. Other types of MSDs are sciatica, herniated disc and
 low back pain; however, MSDs do not include injuries from slips, trips,
 falls or other accidents. About a third of MSDs are serious enough to
 require time off and some injuries often need a lengthy recovery period. A
 third of workers= compensation payments are due to MSDs.

 Women suffer 70 percent of the carpal tunnel syndrome cases and 62 percent
 of the tendinitis cases that are serious enough to require employees to
 take time off work.  Annually, more than 100,000 women have work-related
 back injuries.

 The program, if adopted, would mean that workers who experience covered
 musculoskeletal disorders receive a prompt response, evaluation of their
 injury and follow-up by a health care professional, if needed.  Most
 workers who must take time off to recover from such an injury would get 90
 percent of their pay and 100 percent of benefits during that time.
 Experience has shown that employees are often reluctant to report symptoms
 if this might result in missed work that causes lost income.  Costs to
 employers to correct problems are estimated at an annual average of $150
 per work station fixed. That total annual cost is less than half that
 incurred in paying medical costs, lost productivity and other expenses
when
 injuries occur.

 THE MESSAGE:

 Your letter urging adoption of the ergonomics program standard can be
short
 and merely state your support; it need not be technical and you do not
need
 to be an expert of any sort to comment on the proposed standard.
Obviously,
 letters from employers and business owners in support of the standard will
 be important, as many employers have opposed this standard in the past.
But
 workers who have been injured on the job where an ergonomics standard
could
 have prevented the injury or reduced the severity need to write OSHA as
well.

 If you believe that adoption of an ergonomics program standard could
 improve the safety and productivity at your workplace, explain this in
your
 letter or email message.  It will be important to stress the special
 benefits to women workers who sustain a majority of MSDs.  Note that
 on-the-job MSDs should be prevented or minimized and that numerous studies
 have shown that sound ergonomics programs have demonstrated effectiveness
 in reducing risk.

 Written comments should be

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] US Soldiers Disgrace The Uniform.


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Nessie,
I think you are correct concerning the civilian police being more out of
control than the military. I recently had the personal experience of a
retired State Trooper who acts as a process server try to convince me he had
a search warrant to search my home!!  He was a thug paid by my EvilX to ry
to see the scope of a security camera I have and determine if I did in fact
posess video of EvilX stalking!  Talk about Illegal Search!  Fortunately, I
knew there are no such warrants in civil cases.
Amelia


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From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] US Soldiers Disgrace The Uniform.


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
  Most of our military men are good human beings and good

 citizens, but there's always those few bad apples.  You'll notice our
 police

 force in the United States is the same way.




 They're worse, much worse. The people in the military behave in a far more
 honorable fashion than any American police force. The military forces the
 few bad eggs to keep a lid on it. Nobody forces the police to keep a lid
 on their bad eggs, and there are a lot of bad eggs. The War On (Some)
 Drugs has made police work a magnet for thieves and extortionists.
 Corruption stretches from the cop on the corner to the Attorney General
 and beyond. Murder and torture goes unpunished if the perp was a cop.
 Ordinary citizens are spied upon for no other reason than their physical
 appearance or their choice of words on the internet. Ordinary people have
 to lock their doors at night and find themselves not routinely taken at
 their word for information as basic as their own name. The police are out
 control. I myself have been beaten, robbed and imprisoned for something I
 didn't do, solely because I was an active political dissident. And I was
 lucky. I'm white. My contemporary, Fred Hampton, didn't do anything that I
 didn't do and they shot him through the damn wall. That was thirty years
 ago. It's way worse now. You just hear about because the cops and the
 media are owned by the same guys.

 If you believe TV, you believe that America is overrun with drug crazed,
 psycho rapists and cop killers, it's not safe to go out of your house, and
 the only reason they haven't broken into your house yet to rape you and
 kill you and steal your TV is because some young, good looking cop
 somewhere was willing to "bend the rules" a little.

 Don't believe it. We live in a police state here. If you have any doubts
 about this, put on your funkiest clothes, leave your money and ID at home,
 and go for a walk in a rich neighborhood at night. Break no laws. See what
 happens.

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Re: [CTRL] Ben Partin and Waco Suits for Waco Suckers

2000-02-01 Thread Mary K. Gemmato


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 Former CIA director William Colby said that it was a "suitcase
nuke" and two weeks after to going to the BUTCHer of waco Janet Reno with
the information he was swimming with the fishes  The other man privy to
these documents is Gordon Novel is so far back in the federal prison system
that they have to pump him air  water. There is a tape that gets played on
WWCR alot to back this up. It is tape # 828 from Newswatch magazine with
David J. Smith.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 10:52 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Ben Partin and Waco Suits for Waco Suckers


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 Subject: Ben Partin and Waco Suits for Waco Suckers
 From: "Carol A. Valentine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:48:54 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I had a recent exchange with a person who read "Waco Suits for Waco
Suckers"
 in the Burial Gallery of the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum.  The direct
 URL is:


http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_wsws.html
 (See sections 4c, "the Fireball and the Hole"
 and 4d, "General Partin Goes Down in Flames.")

 This person responded to my treatment of Partin as follows:

 Interesting reading, Carol.
 
 I think you're too harsh on Partin, however. *Something* made the
hole
  in the roof of the concrete room. It's probable that he hasn't seen the
  autopsies, and so is only making a reasonable assumption that an
explosion
  on the roof of the room would subject the interior to a spray of
concrete
  rock shrapnel, killing anyone inside who might be alive. In any event,
it
  makes little sense to have him lie about Waco if he's telling the truth
  about OKC.


 Here is my response:

 

 Of course we know SOMETHING caused the hole in the roof of the concrete
room.
 But there is a reason Ramsey Clark and Gordon Novel asked Partin to write
an
 affidavit, and not you or me.  Partin is a munitions expert.  We are not.

 Partin was not asked for a "reasonable assumption." He was asked for
expert
 opinion.

 In his affidavit, Partin gave his *expert* opinion about the hole in the
roof
 of the concrete room and the fireball.  As an *expert,* he said the
fireball
 appeared over the roof and was part of the phenomenon that caused the
hole.

 As an *expert* we might expect Partin to base his opinion on the evidence.
But
 the evidence contradicts Partin.  The fireball did not appear over the
roof of
 the concrete room.  Therefore the fireball was not part of the phenomenon
that
 caused the hole in the roof as Partin inferred.

 Partin got the location of the fireball wrong, despite easy availability
of
 photographic evidence and layouts of the Mt.Carmel Center.

 Partin also said the fireball was caused by a breaching charge. So Partin
also
 got the cause of the fireball wrong.

 Are we supposed to believe Partin wrote and signed an affidavit on the
 fireball and the hole in the roof without looking at the photographic
evidence
 and layout diagrams, and Partin pontificated about the deaths of the
mothers
 and children without looking at the autopsies?

 What WAS Partin basing his analysis on, if not the evidence?  Ian Goddard
 e-mails?  Or does the same military intelligence unit write the scripts
for
 Partin and Goddard?

 Twice during the last several years I have confronted Partin at public
 meetings and interrupted him as he was spooning out Waco
 disinformation--disinformation about the concrete room and the bodies of
the
 women and children.

 The first confrontation occurred before dozens of people at the 1997
 Surveillance Expo (organized by Jim Ross of Ross Engineering in N.
Virginia).
 When I spoke up, Partin just tried to shut me up.  On one occasion Partin
 addressed the critical issues I raised with these words:

 "Details, details, details."

 If details are beyond an explosives expert, I'd hate to be around when one
of
 his bombs go off.  They'd probably go off an hour early, in his back
pocket.

 I had a second confrontation with Partin at a meeting of the Sarah
McClendon
 Study Group in Washington DC.  The results were pretty much the same.  He
just
 ignored my questions and went on with his script.  On neither occasions
did
 Partin seem to be even remotely embarrassed.

 After both events I approached Partin and spoke to him amicably.  Because
we
 have known each other slightly over a number of years and because we both
live
 in the N. Virginia area, I invited Partin to my office to have a look at
ALL
 the relevant evidence on my very own computer. Despite my repeated
invitations
 and his knowledge of my phone number, Partin never called me to take me up
on
 the offer.

 That is, he did not call me until the evening of January 5, 2000.  Someone
had
 faxed him a copy of "Waco Suits for Waco

[CTRL] Fw: The Page of Anxiety


Just when you think it's safe to relax, this site has all those troublesome
concerns listed.
One could spend endless hours delving into worrisome issues:)  It really is
an interesting and comprehensive list!
Amelia



  The Page of Anxiety.url

  http://www.concentric.net/~Kottca/


 The Page of Anxiety.url

[CTRL] Fw: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement





This is the site for all of those with nagging 
concerns about overpopulation. Here, you can actually DO something about 
it. And of course, it begs the question "Is one permitted to sign someone else 
up for this?" I am assuming it is a joke but if so, someone went to a tremendous 
amount of trouble.
Amelia


http://www.vhemt.org./ 
 VHEMT.url

Re: [CTRL] MANNA FROM HEAVEN

2000-01-31 Thread Mary K. Gemmato


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Prudy,
   Please read "Worlds in Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky. He covers
the subject on Manna thoroughly.

magnetic field
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From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] "MANNA FROM HEAVEN"


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 In a message dated 01/30/2000 12:51:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  In the next passage, the Bible describes manna as having light tan color
  and texture like a wafer, certainly an accurate description of the color
  and texture of a dried psilocybe mushroom. We also learn that the taste
of
  manna is no longer that of fresh oil but rather that of honey. According
to
  McKenna's research', honey has long been used in Mexico as a preserve
  medium for psilocybin containing mushrooms. Perhaps the children of
Israel
  had begun to mix honey with the manna to preserve its potency. We find
that
  Moses announced that manna must be kept for future generations: 

 There are other descriptions of manna.  In commemoration of the Deucalion
 flood, the people of Athens observed a feast in th month of Anthesterion,
 which is a spring month; the feast ws called Anthesteria.  On the
thirteenth
 of the month, the main day of the feast, honey and flour were poured into
a
 fissure in the earth as a sacrifice.

 The date of this ceremony--the thirteenth day of Anthesterion in the
 spring--is revealing if we remember what was said in the section entitled
 "13".  It was on the thirteenth day of the spring month (Aviv) that the
great
 planetary contact occurred which preceded by a few hours the Exodus of the
 Israelites from Egypt.

 The offering of honey and flour as the main ceremony of the feast is also
 revealing if we recollect that manna, or heavenly corn, tasting like
honey,
 fell on the earth after the contact of the earth with a celestial body. "

 Something falling from heaven is entirely different than something
springing
 from the earth.  The Israelites just couldn't have been so stupid they
could
 not tell that difference.   Prudy

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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] TIMES: One in seven fathers 'not the real parent'

2000-01-25 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Yes, June, this does sound like the latest excuse of some sort of
philanderers.  There was a TV series on The Learning Channel or Discovery
that covered a great deal of this but certainly not the one-in-seven figure.
One of the segments was entitled "The Sperm Wars" and although it was fairly
well produced, much of it was theory. I would have to see a great deal of
documentation on that to believe so many children are conceived in such a
manner.  Guess the mothers' "need to have DNA spread around" would explain
it.  This "need" would certainly work both ways, with women constantly on
the outlook for superior DNA to father their children.  Talk about chaos!
Amelia


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From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] TIMES: One in seven fathers 'not the real parent'


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 From: "name AOL USER" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Human sexuality and its place in modern society is a fascinating field.
I
  suggest you read up on it more, to understand the bigger picture.

 I have.  Which is why I consider this 'need to spread DNA' bullshit.


 June

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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Armed Dangerous

2000-01-25 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Prudy,
Where I live, helicopters fly over checking for marijuana.  They use the
infra-red cameras that can detect a  single plant.  They fly as low as they
want, anytime they want and anywhere they care to look.  How in heavens
could they not have that many plants pinpointed completely?  These cameras
will pick up one plant even if it is under larger trees, mixed in with other
plants and even through conventional greenhouse material.  There is just no
way they did not have this information as this is not new technology.  I
have watched them flying over scanning for this for over two years now.
Amelia (who seems to know too much about the camera's abilities :)

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Armed  Dangerous


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 In a message dated 01/24/2000 1:18:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Although well-liked and generous to friends, Scott drank heavily, could
be
  cantankerous and deeply mistrusted the government, which he suspected of
  having designs on this ranch, a remote and nearly inaccessible parcel
with
  high rocky bluffs on three sides and a 75-foot spring-fed waterfall out
  back.

  "You know what he used to say," his third wife, Frances Plante, told
writer
  Michael Fessier Jr. in a 1993 article for the Los Angeles Times magazine,
  "He'd say, 'Frances, every day they pass a new law and the day after that
  they pass 40 more.'"

  To Los Angeles County officials, the fact that Don Scott got killed in
his
  own house during a futile raid to seize a non-existent 4,000-plant
marijuana
  farm is just one of the unfortunate facts of life in the narcotics
  enforcement business. It doesn't mean that sheriff's deputies did
anything
  wrong.

  "Sometimes people get warned and we don't find anything," Gary Spencer,
the
  lead deputy on the raid and the one who shot Scott, told an L.A. Times
  reporter in 1997, "so I don't consider it botched. I wouldn't call it
  botched
  because that would say that it was a mistake to have gone there in the
first
  place, and I don't believe that."

  Someone who did believe that was Ventura County District Attorney Michael
  Bradbury. Although Scott's ranch was in Ventura County, none of the 31
  people
  participating in the massive early morning raid, which included officers
  from
  the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, the DEA, the National Park Service,
  the
  California National Guard and the Border Patrol bothered to invite any
  Ventura County officers to come along. Furthermore, once Scott was shot,
Los
  Angeles County tried to claim jurisdiction over the investigation of
Scott's
  death, even though the shooting occured in Ventura County.

  To Bradbury, it was easy to see why. L.A. County wanted jurisdiction. In
a
  64-page report issued by Bradbury's office in March of 1993, Bradbury
  concluded that the search warrant contained numerous misstatements,
evasions
  and omissions. The purpose of the raid, he wrote, was never to find some
  evanescent marijuana plantation. It was to seize Scott's ranch under
asset
  forfeiture laws and then divide the proceeds with participating agencies,
  such as the National Park Service, which had put Scott's ranch on a list
of
  property it would one day like to acquire, and the Los Angeles Sheriff's
  Department, which heavily relied on assets seized in drug raids to
  supplement
  its otherwise inadequate budget. 

 I don't really approve of heavy drinking, but it's never been a capital
 offense.  I'm wondering here about the supposed 4,000 pot plant words.
When
 I read and heard about this, the wild-eyed raid by all the government
 agencies that could grab a gun, was because some helicopter pilot said he
saw
 fifty pot plants hanging in a tree.  Such vision.  As for Scott's not
 trusting the government, is someone out there saying he should have?
Don't
 forget, the raiders had already talked with a real estate developer who
 wanted the land, and apparently they were already negotiating a price.
Kind
 of sounds like tax farming to me.

 And did they return the millionaire's assets and the land along with the
five
 million?  I'm sure the estate was worth ten times the settlement figure.
 People were taking up collections for the poor widow, because the
government
 grabbed everything and she had no money for the lawyers.  They should give
a
 new name to that area--Nottingham.

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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate

2000-01-21 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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pennie hammons,
Thank you for corroborating my statement that this is not the first list on
which you have attempted to cause trouble with personal attacks.  I also
wonder why you are under the impression that anyone wants your respect.  All
I asked of you was that you take your personal attacks off-list and spare
the list this waste of time.  We also usually allow others to express their
own beliefs and do not do it for them as we cannot know what another person
believes.  Being on a particular list does not mean endorsement of
everything that everybody on that list believes.  For example, I would doubt
that you are even aware of the beliefs of many people on this list.  If so,
do you endorse them all by being here?  Impossible!  I just would like for
everybody to take all personal attacks and cuteness lengthy discussions of a
strictly personal nature off list.  It there is academic value to the
discussion it is always welcomed by all but if it is just personal bashing
it wastes the time of a large number of busy people.  Some even have to pay
long-distance rates to have Internet access.  It would be nice to have the
list stay informative and full of the wonderful information we have all come
to love and expect.  Who pennie doesn't like does not fall into that
category.  The guidelines are there for all, not just pennie.

Some of us "oldsters" were alive and remember many things that happened in
the last 50 years that are  not in history books.  This information could be
lost forever if it is not passed on.  Also, those of you younger ones might
learn a great deal by reading/hearing this.  It is not to say believe
everything you read but absorb it as that persons view of history in the
making.  This list is not about Nazis nor religion.  It is about conspiracy
theories.  I hope that it remains so.  A great deal of data is exchanged
here much to my delight.  Those seeking a soapbox or grand stand for their
personal beliefs have come to the wrong list.
Amelia
Amelia
 I have heard nothing from Collen about any holocaust denier beliefs. What
her
 beliefs are I don't know. BUT at least she respects the message of the
 declaration  disclaimer and has been civil. And while her messages may be
 perceived by some as "strange" at times,  I am sure that we all get
 mis-perceived and those that can hear might hear and those that don't
won't.
 And as always, Caveat Lector.

 MHO
 Om
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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate

2000-01-20 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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/A -Cui Bono?-

pennie hammons,
For your information, Colleen was on this list YEARS before you.  You are
the one who has come from somewhere else.  I believe Kris is still the
listowner even though you seem to think you are now in charge.  Again, this
is personal, off-topic and not nearly as cute as you think it is.  Please
take personal messages off list. A review of the rules will advise you to
always be civil.  This falls very short of that.  You are wasting a lot of
people's time in these lame attempts to get attention.  And not for the
first time and not on the first list, is it?
Amelia


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate


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 /A -Cui Bono?-

 This is a pretty good psychological profile of Madeline
 Albright...the reluctant Zionist.
 
 What do you think of this one Nicky?
 
 Colleen

 Dear Colleen:
 Everything that you babble is sheer lunacy. Take your Jew-hating ass back
to
 the Sons Of Losers list you came from. Love Pennie

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[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #6

2000-01-11 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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=_Ric,
Is your "good riddance to 'em" directed at the entire South, eh?  Or, are
you referring to this particular ousted Preacher?  I can guess, but let's
clarify just for the record.
Amelia

 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

 # Judge ousts rebel preacher. YORK, Alabama. (AP)  New faces started
showing
   up at sleepy York Presbyterian Church when pastor Martin Murphy joined a
   group that few members of the gray-haired congregation knew much about:
   The League of the South. Suddenly, the little church was drawing younger
   people from miles around. The cracked asphalt parking lot - once nearly
   empty on Sundays - was brimming with cars plastered with Confederate
flags
   and slogans like "Southern Independence Now!" Today, both Murphy and his
   followers are gone. Not with the wind, but by court order. Acting on a
   lawsuit by old-line leaders of the 120-year-old church, a court evicted
   Murphy and his people from York Presbyterian, where they had gained a
   voting majority. A judge ruled that Murphy and a band of rebels covertly
   took over the church to promote the League, which wants the South to
   secede from the Union again. And good riddance to'em, eh? See
   http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563179267-e98

 : Does your belief system subvert authority, property, morality? D'ya
care?
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[CTRL] 1Re: [CTRL] Y2K~The HARD Facts...

2000-01-07 Thread Mary K. Gemmato


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William,
  I have heard that many companies did nothing more that roll back
their computers to a different year. If this is true all they did was stall
the problems until another time in the future.
  Personally, the electronic time clock at the nursing home where I
work is all screwed up. The atm machines in northwest Indiana have been
acting strange for the last four months, sometimes allowing withdrawals and
other times giving error messages such as wrong pin number, no such account,
or insufficient funds when the money is there. Often the atm will turn you
down on credit card withdrawals (which could be the fault of Cirrus or the
credit card companies computers). It is not just one bank or systems atms
but seem to be across the board.
- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:33 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Y2K~The HARD Facts...


 -Caveat Lector-

 The hard facts

 By Mitch Ratcliffe, ZDY2K

 Opinion - January 3, 2000 -- Why didn't it happen? See my column of
Thursday
 to understand why Y2K wasn't a hoax, and why there a lot of people who
 deserve thanks There's not much more to say, when I called Y2K almost to a
 tee: No one died as a result of Y2K problems; Power stayed on, despite
widely
 dispersed and localized problems with computers; Embedded systems did not
 fail on a large scale, and those that did were non-critical; If anything,
 less developed countries proved they are less reliant on technology and,
so,
 avoided many problems that would have occurred in the U.S. if Americans
had
 ignored Y2K; Critical infrastructures operated normally, despite problems
(at
 this writing, the FAA's few problems have not resulted in a threat to
public
 safety, nor have any of the markets around the world that are open,
including
 the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and Chicago Board of Trade, experienced
any
 major problems).

 After all the abuse and threats ladled out toward me and my family for the
 past 18 months, let me just take one moment to gloat.

 Gloat.

 There was a moment on Saturday that brought the whole Y2K situation into
 crystal clarity, when Cathy Hotka of the National Retail Federation was
asked
 by the press whether survivalists could return supplies they hadn't used.

 "Retailers are in the business of selling things and not lending them,"
she
 said, with remarkable credulity, considering how foolish the question
 sounded.

 In a nutshell, the Y2K problem has proved a non-event because business
(and
 government) stuck to their strengths: business as usual, with a note of
 urgency in IT efforts. Overall, the two percent to seven percent of IT
 budgets dedicated to Y2K repairs by corporations and government agencies
was
 a responsible and rational response.

 The cost shouldered by large organizations was much larger, as percentage
of
 revenue, than what a household should have spent, because each company
 shouldered a small part of the expense of removing risk from their
customers'
 lives. Now that the danger has passed, the survivalist who did over-spend
has
 to live with the mistake while the rest of us will benefit from having
 calculated correctly. A little preparation went a long way.

 This is not a paean to the beauty of capitalism, just to good sense. As an
 investor, you take risks. As a human being, you take risks. Some folks
 over-react to risk and some thrive.

 From the very beginning of this Y2K odyssey, especially since I became
 convinced there was no reason to fear an apocalyptic failure or anything
 approaching that, I've been enraged by the opportunists who have
exaggerated
 the risks of Y2K for their own profit.

 Now that the realities of Y2K are plain - I needn't rehash them here,
other
 than to point to these stories I did for United Press International - we
need
 to be sure to call to account those who abused so many people, costing
them
 hundreds or thousands of dollars.

 First, the stories about the Y2K rollover:

 World prepares for Y2K

 When Will Y2K Actually Strike?

 Y2K off to bug-less start

 Networks Pass Biggest Test; Europe Joins The Party

 Asia Glides easily into 2000

 Y2K: What Exactly Happened?

 Y2K still silent as business begins around the world

 Y2K survivalists struggle with reality

 What is especially troubling is that the doomer prophets who led people
 astray are already in the midst of reinventing themselves.

 Gary North's Web site has been altered, and many of the loonier statements
he
 made there disappeared almost immediately after the rollover. North claims
 his site has been hacked, but the "damage" doesn't make sense - why would
 hackers wait until after the New Year and then remove only part of the
 content on the site? Fortunately, there are people with accurate back-ups
of
 the North site to preserve the record.

 Mike Adams, who has threatened to sue me again for my recent article, has
 morphed Y2KNewswire from a

Re: [CTRL] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to expect?

2000-01-05 Thread Mary K. Gemmato


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True,
Am I to understand that you are disappointed that the crap didn't
hit the fan on January 1, 2000 ??? This gives us more time to prepare (thank
God for that). Mark Koernke said that dates are only important to the ring
knockers not to us. Don't sweat the details. Heads ups. Pray Until Something
Happens.

magnetic field
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@@@
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 12:55 PM
Subject: [CTRL] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to
expect?


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 Well I gave it a few days.
 I even thought I saw a UN blue helmet. Turned out my neighbor got a new
 hat.
 But there was no NWO takeover.
 No FEMA command.
 No Executive Order declaring martial law.
 No foreign troops marching in the streets.
 Nothing.
 Nada.
 So you paranoid wack jobs, where are you apologizes for crying wolf?

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Re: [CTRL] Bill Z. Bubb

1999-12-30 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Bubba seems to be one of those words that has been given a new meaning over
time.  I think it was Piper who said Clinton could not be a Bubba as he
attended Yale and J2's friends call him Bubba, etc.  The word Bubba used to
mean brother, specifically older brother.  It is the younger child trying to
call the older child his brother or "Bubba" as it usually came out.  Now it
seems to mean some beer-swilling, redneck fool particularly of southern
origins.  Just as southerners never say "ya'll" for singular as in movies
and on TV (it is sort of a contraction for all of you) there used to be some
meaning to many of these quaint expressions.  By this definition, Clinton is
most certainly a Bubba.  J2 probably is not--suspect he is an only
child--and Mr Shannon thinks all southerners are Bubbas.  Interesting word.
Amelia

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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Status of the United States Navy

1999-12-25 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Well, there you have it Andrew!  Just don't breathe (INhale anyway) and
everything will be fine! grimace! Why in the world would they have to use
this stuff for practice?  It seems that using it in war would be illegal
even but for practice???  I do not understand this  Is it old and they want
to use it up and get rid of it?  Is this now standard operating procedure?
I do not blame the Scottish people for being angry and think this should be
stopped.  But then, no one consulted me and our govt doesn't really care
what we the tiny people think.  They just work all this out among
themselves.
Amelia
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Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Status of the United States Navy


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 In a message dated 12/24/1999 4:58:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Andrew,
  Do you know why they are there?  Is their presence routine or is this a
  first?  In any case, I cannot imagine why they should be "firing"
anything!
  Some of the large vessels are capable of generating huge amounts of
  electricity, enough for a small city.  Could their presence be related to
  this with the date change approaching?  That still does not address the
DU
  activity but might explain what they are doing there in the first place.
Of
  course with the huge popularity that this country enjoys (ha!)  as
evidenced
  by the ever increasing terrorists threats, maybe it is "any port in a
  storm."  All clustered in a group, they make an inviting target for
enemies,
  a la Pearl Harbor.  Maybe you could go to the press for some coverage and
  get this DU activity stopped!
  Amelia 

 The odd habits of the US Navy came up on another listing.  Someone came on
as
 very angry with the Puerto Ricans because they didn't want the Navy to
 practice their shooting there, and even angrier because President Clinton
had
 awarded them a rather small cash settlement for the damage done.  I posted
 the following:


 I am not an expert on Vieques either, but I remembered reading a column
about
 it, and I have found it.  I won't try to give all the info, but this
matrial
 was written by Anthony  M. Stevens-Arroyo, formerly vice chairman of the
NY
 State Committee for the US Commission on Civil Rights.  He is professor
of
 Puerto Rican and Latino Studies at Brooklyn College.

 In it he describes an incident on l8 April in which an F-l8 Navy jet from
the
 USS John F. Kennedy missed its target and launched a bomb that killed one
 Puerto Rican civilian and seriously injured four others.  Vieques is less
 than 2l miles long and five miles wide.  Its population is fewer than
l0,000
 and the Navy occupies 75% of its 33,000 acres, pushing the natives into a
 six-mile strip at one corner.

 Since l94l when it took the land, the US has engaged in shooting live
 ammunition at targets on an inhabited island.  Not only are the local
people
 at risk from mistakes, but the practice of warplane strafing destroys the
 livelihood of the local fishermen.

 Vieques has experienced fatal accidents before, and the Navy has practiced
 landings on its beaches.  The Navy refuses to declare whether nuclear
weapons
 are stored on Viequest, but in a public statement issued May 27, the Navy
 admitted it used radiation-dangerous bullets in maneuvers.  It has now
 acknowledged that on Feb l9, it fired 263 armor-piercing shells with
depleted
 uranium.  The Navy claims there is no danger of radiation poisoning unless
 the depleted uranium is inhaled.

 The Puerto Rico Health Department found that between l985 and l989, the
 population of Vieques had an incidence of throat and pharynx cancer much
 greater than the rest of Puerto Rico.  Before the l980's, Vieques rsidents
 suffered fewer cancer cases than the rest of Puerto Rico.

 One environmentalist said that a particle one-quarter the diameter of a
human
 hair--small enough to be lodged in a lung--emits 800 times the amount of
 radiation that could be tolerated during an entire year.  Each of the 25mm
 shells fired by the Navy over Vieques contain a third of a pound of
depleted
 uranium--meaning almost 90 pounds of the material was used.  End of
material
 taken from the article.

 In a 4 December article in the New York Times, it was announced that the
Navy
 would stop bombing practice on Vieques and move its operations to
Scotland.
 I wonder how the Scots feel about that.  I'm sure Mr. Blair must have
decided
 it was just fine, but then he doesn't live in Scotland.

 Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Status of the United States Navy

1999-12-24 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Andrew,
Do you know why they are there?  Is their presence routine or is this a
first?  In any case, I cannot imagine why they should be "firing" anything!
Some of the large vessels are capable of generating huge amounts of
electricity, enough for a small city.  Could their presence be related to
this with the date change approaching?  That still does not address the DU
activity but might explain what they are doing there in the first place.  Of
course with the huge popularity that this country enjoys (ha!)  as evidenced
by the ever increasing terrorists threats, maybe it is "any port in a
storm."  All clustered in a group, they make an inviting target for enemies,
a la Pearl Harbor.  Maybe you could go to the press for some coverage and
get this DU activity stopped!
Amelia

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[CTRL] Fwd: A site... my opinion not offered... Lots of profanity

1999-12-06 Thread K


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http://www.onetime.simplenet.com/whycopsh8u.html




--
Kathleen

The Treasury Department says it plans to significantly
increase investigations of the Internal Revenue Service
and IRS agents.  You know, kind of like the Justice
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[CTRL] Fw: Shame in Seattle

1999-12-04 Thread K


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- Forwarded message --
Here is the latest shocking letter I have received. The Seattle police
actions against law-abiding citizens looks to me like something that
should
not be allowed to just fade away. What I am receiving sounds like
more than
just the actions of an incompetent mayor and a rambo police chief.
Someone
let me know if I am overreacting.


Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:59:08 -0700
From: Jim and Jenni Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]


We just received this forwarded post (originated in US) from a friend in
Australia.  It's the worst we have heard yet! Jim and Jenni Muir


 *** Begin of forwarded message ***

 -- Forwarded message --
 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:59:37 EST
 From: Free Student Press Project [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 snip
 Subject: More from Seattle -- 12/3/99
 
 The following is written by me, Damon Krane, a 20 year-old college
 student
 who rode a bus two and a half days from Pittsburgh, PA to join the
 protests
 against anti-democratic corporate domination and the exploitation of
 human
 and animal life and the natuaral resources of this planet for the
sake
 of
 profit, as represented by the WTO, which seeks to worsen the
situation
 and
 take decision further and further away from the people whose lives
are
 affected by them.  The oligopolistic interests of corporate
domination
 fought back, the Constitution was suspended, and seattle became a
 police
 state.  But yesterday we prevailed, winning several important
 victories
 and
 raising public awareness.
 
 Permission is given to reprint this piece or excerpts from it to all
 who
 recieve this message.  Please forward it to others.
 
 
 Much more has happened since I wrote Tuesday's story.  Wednesday
night
 my
 friend and I were hit with a concusion grenade and a tear gas
 cannister
 fired from an armored personnel carrier.  We were in our house on
 10th.
 Ave.
 on Capitol Hill when we heard teargas being shot off outside.
Capitol
 Hill
 is a residential area and the part we are in is blocks and blocks
away
 from
 the curfew zone where martial law had been established, yet police
 were
 pursuing protesters and gassing bystanders.  We rushed outside, and
 standing
 in the front yard we saw the armored vehicle traveling down the
street
 toward us.  My friend was outraged.  This was his house, his
 neighborhood.
 People were allowed to be outside their houses and on the streets.
 But
 when
 we didn't run back inside and showed our objection to the police's
 tactics
 (I raised both middle fingers and my friend shouted "Go Home!  We
 don't
 want
 you here!"), an officer in full riot gear and gas mask raised his
 gas-gun
 and aimed it directly at us.  As he was doing that, another officer
 fired
 a
 concussion grenade at us.  It exploded and a few of the rubber
pellets
 hit
 me in the arm.  As we turned to run back inside, the first officer
 fired
 the
 tear gas cannister.  It hit the house inches from a window and just
as
 close
 to our heads.  It exploded in a bright flash and began spewing gas
as
 we
 ran
 to the door.  We got inside, yelling and grasping our friends.  We
 realized
 we were right in front of a window that faced out onto the street.
We
 turned to see the armored vehicle passing as the officers aimed
their
 weapons in at us.  I yelled, "Get down!!" and everyone dropped to
the
 floor.
   As the vehicle passed we began stuffing clothes underneath the
door
 to
 keep out as much of the tear gas as we could.
   Their was no crowd to disperse in that instance; no unruly mob
 threatening to destroy property.  My friend and I were standing in
 front
 of
 his house, and after identifying ourselves as protesters (this time
of
 a
 police state and not the WTO) the police attacked us.  They attacked
 many
 other Capitol Hill residents that evening, gassing, beating and
 pepper-spraying them.  We watched on the news as one resident
 approached
 police yelling, "There are no protesters here.  We're all residents!
 What
 are you doing here!?"  Three officers then sprayed the man
 simultaneously
 with pepper spray.  We watched a woman be tackled and held to the
 pavement
 as one officer hit her repeatedly in the head with a club and
another
 sprayed her face.  The scenes we witnessed were worse than any
footage
 I've
 seen of police brutality during the Civil Rights Movement of the
 1960's.
 It
 became very clear that the police posed an incredible threat to the
 safety
 of the people of Seattle that night.  As paranoid as this may sound,
 we
 devised an escape plan if police raided our house.  But with that
 vision
 of
 a man in uniform raising a gun and firing it at my head -an image I
 don't
 think I'll ever forget- it seemed better to be safe than sorry.
   Another friend said that evening that we weren't unique in our
 situation, and she wasn't just talking about Seattle.  Throughout
the
 history of this country similar violence has been aimed at people
 struggling
 for social justice.

[CTRL] Fwd: NSA patent 5937422

1999-12-03 Thread K


 -Caveat Lector-

 By Suelette Dreyfus
 Special Correspondent
 CyberWire Dispatch

 "Semantic Forests" doesn't mean much to the average person. But if
 you say it in concert with the words "automatic voice telephone
 interception" and "U.S. National Security Agency" to a computational
 linguist, you might just witness the physical manifestations of the word
 "fear."

 Words are funny things, often so imprecise. Two people can have a
 telephone conversation about sex, without ever mentioning the word.
 And when the artist formerly known as Prince sang a song about
 "cream," he wasn't talking about a dairy product.

 All this linguistic imprecision has largely protected our voice
 conversations from the prying ears of governments. Until now.

 Or, more particularly, it protected us until 15 April, 1997 - the
 date the NSA lodged a secret patent application at the US Patent
 Office. Of course, the content of the NSA patent was not made public for
 two years, since the Patent Office keeps patent applications secret until
 they are approved, which in this case was August 10, 1999.

 What is so worrying about patent number 5,937,422? The NSA is
 believed to be the largest and by far most well-funded spy agency in the
 world, a Microsoft of Spookdom. This document provides the first hard
 evidence that the NSA appears to be well on its way to creating
 eavesdropping software capable of listening to millions of international
 telephone calls a day. Automatically.

 Patents are sometimes simply ambit claims, legal handcuffs on what
 often amounts to little more than theory. Not in this case. This is
 real. The U.S. Department of Defense has developed the NSA's patent
 ideas into a real software program, called "Semantic Forests," which it
 has been lab testing for at least two years.

 Two important reports to the European Parliament, in 1998 and 1999,
 and Nicky Hager's 1996 book "Secret Power" reveal that the NSA
 intercepts international faxes and emails. At the time, this
 revelation upset a great number of people, no doubt including the
 European companies which lost competitive tenders to American
 corporations not long after the NSA found its post-Cold War "new
 economy" calling: economic espionage.

 Voice telephone calls, however, well, that is another story. Not
 even the world's most technically advanced spy agency has the
 ability to do massive telephone interception and automatically
 massage the content looking for particular words, and presumably
 topics. Or so said a comprehensive recent report to the European
 Parliament.

 In April 1999, a report commissioned by the Parliament's Office of
 Scientific and Technological Options Assessment (STOA), concluded
 that "effective voice 'wordspotting' systems do not exist" and "are
 not in use".

 The tricky bit there is "do not exist". Maybe these systems haven't
 been deployed en masse, but it is looking increasingly like they do
 actually exist, probably in some form which may be closer to the
 more powerful topic spotting.

 Do The Math
 

 There are two new pieces of evidence to support this, and added
 together, they raise some fairly explosive questions about exactly
 what the NSA is doing with the millions of international phone calls it
 intercepts every day in its electronic eavesdropping web commonly known
 as Echelon.

 First. The NSA's shiny new patent describes a method of
 "automatically generating a topic description for text and sorting
 text by topic." Sound like a sophisticated web search engine? That's
 because it is.

 This is a search engine designed to trawl through "machine
 transcribed speech," in the words of the patent application. Think
 computers automatically typing up words falling from human lips. Now
 think of a powerful search engine trawling through those words.

 Now sweat...

 Maybe the spy agency only wants to transcribe the BBC Radio World
 News, but I don't think so. The patent contains a few more
 linguistic clues about the NSA's intent - little golden Easter eggs
 buried in the legal long grass. The "Background to the Invention"
 section of every patent application is the place where the
 intellectual property lawyers desperately try to waive away everyone
 else's right to claim anything even remotely touching on the patent.


 In this section, the NSA attorneys observed there has been "growing
 Interest" in automatically identifying topics in "unconstrained
 speech."

 Only a lawyer could make talking sound so painful. "Unconstrained
 speech" means human conversation. Maybe it's been "unconstrained" by the
 likelihood of being automatically transcribed for real time topic
 searching.

 Here's the part where the imprecision of words - particularly spoken
 words - comes in. Machine transcribed conversations are raw, and very
 hard to analyze automatically with software. Many experts thought the NSA
 couldn't go driftnet fishing in the content of everyone's international
 phone calls because the

[CTRL] The Homophobe Thread That Wouldn't Die

1999-11-30 Thread K


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;(
--
Kathleen

"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing."
Thomas Jefferson

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[CTRL] Fwd: Lest We Forget

1999-11-30 Thread K


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 Lest we forget...

  I was embarrassed to read that President Clinton and his
  advisors have said, "The older generation must learn to
  sacrifice as other generations have done."  That's my
  generation.  I knew eventually someone would ferret out
  the dirty secret: we've lived the "lifestyle of the rich and
  famous" all our lives.  Now, I know I must bare the truth about
  my generation and let the country condemn us for our selfishness.
 
  During the Depression we had a hilarious time dancing
  to the tune of  "Brother Can You Spare A Dime?"  We
  could choose to dine at any of  the country's fabulous
  soup kitchens, often joined by our parents and  siblings...
  those were the heady days of carefree self-indulgence.
 
  Then, with World War II, the cup filled to overflowing.
  We had the  chance to bask on the exotic beaches of
  Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima and  Okinawa; to see the capitols
  of Europe and travel to such scenic spots  as Bastogne,
  Malmedy and Monte Cassino. Of course, one of the most
   exhilarating adventures was the stroll from Bataan to the
  local Japanese  hotels, laughingly known as death camps.
 
  But the good times really rolled for those lucky enough
  to be on the  beaches of Normandy for the swimming and
  boating that pleasant June day in'44.  Unforgettable.
  Even luckier were those that drew the prized  holiday
  tickets for cruises on sleek, gray ships to fun-filled
  spots like  Midway, The Solomons and Murmansk.
 
  Instead of asking "what can we do for our country," an
  indulgent  government let us fritter away our youth
  wandering idly through the  lush and lovely jungles of
  Burma and New Guinea.  Yes, it's all true: we were
  pampered, we were spoiled rotten, we never  did
  realize what sacrifice meant.  We envy you, Mr. Clinton,
  the harsh  lessons you learned in London, Moscow and
  Little Rock.  My generation  is old, Mr. President...and
  guilty; but we are repentant.  Punish us for  our failings,
  sir, that we may learn the true meaning of Duty, Honor,
  Country.
 
   Robert J. Grady, Lt. Col., USAF (Ret), Colorado Springs
 
 
--
Kathleen

The Treasury Department says it plans to significantly
increase investigations of the Internal Revenue Service
and IRS agents.  You know, kind of like the Justice
Department investigating the FBI.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Your freedom, or lack thereof

1999-11-29 Thread K


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 http://www.splcenter.org/intelligenceproject/ip-index.html

 They *admit* to "monitoring communications."




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Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours?

1999-11-16 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


 -Caveat Lector-

Please add my question to the mix--Why does my Outlook Express lock up or
freeze several times a day?  Then suddenly, it dumps all my e mail  I have
zilch in my inbox even if I had lots unread the day before.  Bother!
Amelia



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From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours?


 -Caveat Lector-

 I realize this is late, but I have not received any posts for the
following
 dates:10-25;
 10-26; I got 2 on 10-27; and 2 on 11-2.
 I too would like to know what gives?!
 JOHN

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: taxing cash

1999-11-03 Thread K

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--- Forwarded message follows ---
Date sent:  Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:24:17 -0700
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Release: taxing cash
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Libertarian Party announcements list)
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For release: November 1, 1999
===
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E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Federal Reserve official proposes
plan to tax the cash in your pocket

WASHINGTON, DC -- A Federal Reserve official wants to add
"tracking devices" to U.S. currency so the government can tax your
cash -- a bizarre scheme that could cause your money to plummet in
value and tighten the government's noose around the economy, the
Libertarian Party warned today.

"If the politicians gain the power to track and tax currency,
then financial privacy will be dead, your money will grow more
worthless every day, and the government's power over the economy will
be virtually unlimited," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national
director. "This idea deserves a swift kick in the cash."

According to Wired.com -- the online version of Wired
magazine -- Marvin Goodfriend, a senior vice president at the Federal
Reserve Bank of Richmond, wants the government to tax private
possession of cash via a high-tech tracking device on currency notes.

In a 34-page paper presented at a Federal Reserve System
conference in Vermont, Goodfriend wrote: "[A] magnetic strip could
visibly record when a bill was last withdrawn from the banking system. A
carry tax could be deducted from each bill upon deposit according to how
long the bill was in circulation."

Or, banks could mark bills with a visible "date issued" stamp
when distributed via tellers or an ATM, he said. Either way, the longer you
hold currency without depositing it in a bank account, the less that cash
would be worth.

Such a cash tax could discourage people from "hoarding"
currency and deter black market and criminal activities, Goodfriend
argued.

Besides its longstanding opposition to any new tax, the
Libertarian Party rejects Goodfriend's scheme for several reasons, said
Dasbach.

"The intent of this plan is to drive all commercial
transactions through the banking system, so the government could snoop on
-- and tax -- every aspect of the economy," he charged. "In the guise of
monitoring cash, the government wants more power to monitor and control the
economy.

"But this plan wouldn't just punish businesses that operate in the
cash economy: It's also a huge burden on people who don't trust banks or
who prefer the security or convenience of cash. Every American would suffer
from this proposal, as the government nibbled away, termite-like, at the
value of their cash."

Besides, said Dasbach, the government already has a "carry tax"
that decreases the value of your money: It's called inflation.

"Thanks to politicians' fiscal irresponsibility and the Federal
Reserve's ability to print more money at will, the value of your cash
already decreases every day because of government-caused inflation. To add
another tax to the inflation that's already eroding the value of a dollar
bill would add insult to injury."

The Libertarian Party isn't sure if Goodfriend's proposal is a
"trial balloon" from the government or a fanciful scheme from one renegade
Federal Reserve official, said Dasbach -- but it doesn't matter.

"Here's our two cents (which would probably be worth a cent and a
half under this proposal): If this is a trial balloon, it deserves to be
shot down immediately. The government needs to be told, in no uncertain
terms, that Americans will not stand for such an intrusive, costly scheme,"
he said.

"If it isn't a trial balloon, then Mr. Goodfriend should be
fired immediately, because this kind of totalitarian scheme has no
place in a free country. Mr. Goodfriend may deserve a job in North
Korea or Cuba -- but the Federal Reserve shouldn't employ people who
advocate such un-American, constitutionally bankrupt proposals."

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[CTRL] Asset Forfeiture

1999-11-01 Thread K


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 http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/1031dea5.shtml

November 1, 1999

Golden doctor fights
   drug agency for return
   of his luxury car

   By John Accola
   Denver Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer


   Federal agents say James R. Metzger, a
   Golden physician, was on a drug run for
   himself when he drove to a Safeway
   pharmacy in April and picked up a
   prescription of 60 codeine-laced pills.

   Sensing something was amiss with
   Metzger's explanation that the
   prescription was for a patient, the
   pharmacist promptly notified the Drug
   Enforcement Administration.

   Now the 38-year-old doctor is fighting
   the DEA in Denver federal court for the
   return of his 1999 Lexus RX300. The
   $40,000 sport utility vehicle was seized
   from Metzger's home earlier this month
   under civil forfeiture rules that allow
   law enforcement agencies to confiscate
   property that may have been used to
   commit a crime.

   Metzger has yet to be charged with
   breaking any law.

   But the DEA says he has confessed to
   prescribing narcotic medications "in the
   names of friends, neighbors and family"
   then using the drugs for himself.

   According to court forfeiture documents,
   Metzger told DEA agents that he had
   been ingesting an average of four
   Vicodin tablets a day for the past two
   years. He also admitted to calling in
   other bogus prescriptions for narcotics
   and driving to various pharmacies to
   have them filled, says a Sept. 29
   affidavit signed by Denver DEA agent
   Paul Jaster.

   Last week in U.S. District Court,
   Metzger filed a claim of ownership for
   the Lexus, denying it was used "in any
   manner to facilitate the transportation,
   sale, (or) concealment of forfeitable
   drugs."

   Metzger, who the Colorado Board of
   Medical Examiners says is no longer
   practicing medicine but still holds a
   valid Colorado medical license,
   declined to comment on the forfeiture
   case.

   Peter Metzger, the doctor's father, said
   his son had recently finished several
   months of treatment at a drug
   rehabilitation center and is trying to pull
   his life back together.

   "He was away for three months ... and
   they (DEA) wait till now to seize his
   car," Peter Metzger said. "We thought it
   was strange. I can't see any reason
   behind this."

   Defense attorney calls seizure
   excessive

   Criminal defense attorneys say the case
   is one of the most extreme applications
   of asset-forfeiture laws they've seen in
   Colo rado in years.

   "It's legalized thievery," said Denver
   attorney Larry Pozner, past president of
   the National Association of Criminal
   Defense Lawyers.

   "The government stole that car, and it's
   disgusting. You have what appears to be
   a citizen with a drug problem hurting no
   one but himself and cooperating with
   police. But instead of just trusting this
   case to the criminal justice system, they
   take away his car, which has virtually no
   relationship to writing out a false
   prescription."

   Assistant U.S. Attorney James Russel
   said the Lexus will remain with the DEA
   unless Metzger can prove in court that
   the luxury import was "innocent."

   DEA spokesman Dennis Follett said the
   absence of criminal charges against
   Metzger is irrelevant. Forfeiture rules
   require only that the DEA establish
   "probable cause" that the Lexus was
   used to obtain drugs illegally.

   "At this point in time, the DEA has no
   comment on the investigation," Follett
   said.

   Dick Weatherbee, spokesman for the
   U.S. attorney's office in Denver,
   defended the DEA's actions.

   "The law permits seizure and forfeiture
   independent of criminal charges or a
   conviction," he said.

   Even

[CTRL] Here we go again: 'Rockets' Fired in Area of Downed Jet?

1999-11-01 Thread K


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Source:  News Max
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/11/1/101212

Monday November 1, 11:07 AM

"Rockets" Fired in Area of Downed Jet?

Already the tragic flight of an EgyptAir jet is making news on the
conspiracy mill.

Perhaps even more so because of the seeming snap judgment of federal
authorities who have downplayed any idea of a terrorist attack -- or
worse.

There is "no indication that any criminal act took place," Coast Guard
Read
Adm. Larabee was quoted yesterday as saying.

How about holding an investigation before federal officials like Larabee

make any presumptive judgment?

And there is good reason to have an investigation.

EgyptAir's Boeing 767 fell from the sky sometime early Sunday morning -- at
about 2 a.m. Later Sunday morning, NewsMax.com editor Christopher Ruddy was
on United flight #976, which departed JFK at 9:15 a.m. headed for London.

At about 10 a.m., Ruddy put on his headset. He clicked through the music

channels and tuned in to transmissions between his United plane and air
traffic control in the United States.

"Air traffic control was advising planes to change their flight paths,
giving out new coordinates and altitudes for planes on the flight paths
over the Atlantic," Ruddy recalled the conversation he overheard.

"At one point, a crew member of one of the planes radioed air traffic
control to ask why the change. Air traffic control responded that 'there

are rockets being fired in the area.'"

"I heard early that morning before boarding my plane that there was a
missing EgyptAir plane," Ruddy said, "the conversation I heard on the
plane
really struck me, as did the controllers' use of the word 'rockets.'"

There is no indication yet of any U.S. military activities in the area.
Still, the suggestion that there was some military activity near the
plane's flight path raises the specter of TWA 800. Critics of the
government investigation have alleged U.S. naval vessels were in the
area
and may have accidentally fired a missile at the civilian jet.




--
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lowest bidder.

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Re: [CTRL] World Wide Web

1999-10-29 Thread K


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On 29 Oct 99, at 18:50, earthman wrote:

 At the time that I was using the TRACERT utility I was quite
 curious about that 207.76.37.77 address which is shown on line #2.



Sam Spade search for your mystery number returns the following
results:

IP block lookup for 207.76.37.77
whois -h whois.arin.net 207.76.37
UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-UUNET1996A) UUNET1996A
 207.76.0.0 - 207.79.255.0
UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-UU-DIALUP-1996) UU-DIALUP-1996
  207.76.0.0 - 207.76.63.0

To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the
handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.


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[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: Buchanan switch

1999-10-28 Thread K


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2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
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World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/
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For release: October 26, 1999
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Buchanan: Good news for 3rd parties,
but Reform Party's death sentence?

WASHINGTON, DC -- The announcement by Pat Buchanan that
he will
seek the Reform Party's presidential nomination is good news for third
parties in general -- but will be disastrous news for the Reform Party,
the Libertarian Party predicted today.

"Libertarians welcome Mr. Buchanan because a rising tide of
well-known candidates lifts all third-party boats," said Steve Dasbach,
the party's national director. "But Buchanan's controversial candidacy
will probably be the U-boat torpedo that sinks the Reform Party's ship.

"With Buchanan in the race, Reform Party members face a stark
choice: Whether to support their party's traditional fuzzy
libertarianism and generic reform impulses, or take a hard right turn
towards Mr. Buchanan's scary xenophobic, authoritarian nationalism,"
he
said.

"The fuse has been lit. We're now going to see a struggle for
the Reform Party's soul -- and it's going to be an ugly battle that may
shatter the fledgling party to pieces."

On Monday, Buchanan formally announced that he was leaving the
Republican Party to go the Reform Party route. The pugnacious TV
commentator may now face off against Donald Trump -- the billionaire
New York developer famous for his out-sized ego, gaudy buildings, and
beautiful girlfriends -- for the Reform's presidential nomination.

And that high-profile nomination battle will be good for the
Libertarian Party because it will direct attention away from the two
older parties, said Dasbach.

"The celebrity death-match between Trump and Buchanan will be
catnip for journalists -- and guarantees that the spotlight will shine
more brightly on all third parties," he said. "America could be
entering a new era of politics, where the traditional two-party
chokehold may be broken once and for all.

"In such an environment, the Libertarian Party will thrive,
because we're the only third party that is nationally organized, has
elected hundreds of members to public office, and has a proven track
record of getting our candidates on all 50 state ballots."

Interestingly, it probably won't matter to the success of the
Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 2000 whether Buchanan or
Trump gets the Reform Party nomination, said Dasbach.

"Both Buchanan and Trump are big-government politicians, albeit
slightly unorthodox ones," he noted. "Buchanan wants to restrict free
trade, declare a government war on abortion, close the borders, impose
traditional cultural values -- and has said Adolf Hitler was a
'genius.' Trump wants to restrict free trade, close the borders, keep
Social Security from being privatized -- and said he might declare war
on North Korea.

"Then, look at who the Republicans and Democrats will run in
2000: George W. Bush, a big-government 'compassionate conservative.'
Al
Gore, a big-government New Democrat-style liberal, who will offer an
endless barrage of micro-initiatives. Or Bill Bradley, a
big-government, old-style liberal who's running to the left of Warren
Beatty.

"The bottom line: Whoever the Libertarian Party nominates for
president, he will be the only candidate genuinely in favor of a
smaller, less expensive, less intrusive federal government. There's a
demand for that kind of positive, principled position -- which won't be
met by the two older parties, or by Pat Buchanan and his politics of
protectionism and fear."

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[CTRL] Fwd) LOOP: Regional Planning

1999-10-25 Thread K


 -Caveat Lector-

The following article to some extent is of only local interest, having been
sent to a local action coalition, "Control the Loop", pulled together to
save a rural area from a new highway.  Other parts will be seen to be
pertinent to the purposes of this list.

I have posted it in its entirety because the original poster stipulated that
I could share it with as many people as I wished, but that it had to be
uncut and unchanged.

Kathleen

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Date sent:  Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:39:56 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:LOOP: Regional Planning

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FORWARDED BY CTL:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:35:49 EDT
Subject: Regional planning

Has anyone ever wondered why the "Loop" plan was based on a
"2020"
plan? Was that year just picked at random or is there a true plan?
Look up 'Local Agenda 21 Initiative' on one of your web searchers.

--
RESPONSE:
--

We did explore this situation on the list about seven months ago.  For
those interested in reviewing the previously posted material, the
following is a re-post from March 30, 1999.

Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:19:21 -0600
Subject: LOOP:  Try to Understand This
From: REDACTED BY REQUEST

Dear List Members--

While reading through the CGA post, I took note of this from the
minutes highlights:

- Another purpose of CGA is to provide funds for McClain County,
GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES AND PRIVATE ENTERPRISES, AGENCIES AND CITIZENS
to go towards low- to moderate -income housing.  (Page 4, (6).)

It made me think of many things.  I'll try to explain my concerns.

Oklahoma may be about to change its traditional roadbuilding tune.
Politically, the tide is turning rapidly against road building in
rural areas ... all the anti-urban sprawl stuff.  All of these things
seem to weigh favorably in terms of protecting our properties... OR DO
THEY??

There is a political trap here, and one to be considered carefully.
The problems are so huge and the plan so big that it will take divine
intervention to circumvent it.

This whole thing all goes back to the Biodiversity Treaty hacked out
at the Rio Earth Summit in 1992.  The overall big objective ultimately
(according to their own documents) was to have areas populated by
humans and areas populated by animals and vegetation -- with human
areas connected by arterial roads where travel could be monitored and
controlled, surrounded by what are called "biodiversity corridors,"
which are the natural areas into which humankind cannot venture -- at
least, not without permission -- so that the flora and fauna are
"protected".  All for a very good reason, of course.

The main implementation plans for the objectives of the Biodiversity
Treaty are contained in a document called United Nations Agenda 21.
And throughout all of the civilized world, you will now find cities
and countries (particularly in Europe and South America) implementing
the plan under what is called "Local Agenda 21."  Do a search engine
look at just "Agenda 21" and about 150,000 links will be checkable,
many in foreign languages, putting the objectives in place around the
world.  It really is an amazing thing to see the same words, the same
plan, the same "good reasons" being touted everywhere... everyone
mindlessly reading from the same script.  Truly freaky!

In the United States, some communities are actually using the term
"Local Agenda 21," but more often you will hear their plans referred
to as an "anti-urban sprawl" program, or "green belt development."
And it is going to be the big dividing issue politically very quickly.


The green belt advocates want the parameters of existing cities to be
established by new zoning ordinances (based on federal zoning
"suggestions") so that no new commercial, residential or industrial
development can occur outside a certain boundary. This would mean that
revitalization of crumbling inner cities and so forth would have to
occur, new housing would have to be "figured out" within those city
boundaries, and space now "wrongly" used would be given new
"opportunities" to serve the public.

There are BOTH good and bad things about such planning.  But anything
that abbrogates personal liberty and freedom of choice is going to be
on my "no way" list.

The way these objectives are publicly motivated is first by inspiring
a fear of the death of the planet from pollution and species
extinction, etc.; and second, by worship of the planet (Gaianism) to
be used as a means of unifying diverse groups in a like effort.  In
some parts of the world (such as Nicaragua), some biodiversity
corridors are already in place, being guarded and "protected" from the
big bad humans.  It is a process already being tested.  Australia is
also a huge

[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: cross ban

1999-10-24 Thread K

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policeman at the corner of the street; but the danger at
present is that of finding the policeman half-way down
the chimney or even under the bed." - G. K. Chesterton,
What I Saw In America, 1922

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[CTRL] Fwd: Honor the Memory (Long)

1999-10-24 Thread K


 -Caveat Lector-

 This made my eyeballs moisten a bit, especially when I recall a faint
 childhood memory (I was 4) of watching TV news and seeing Soviet tanks
 rolling through Hungary...

 Regards,
 Olga

 HONOR THE MEMORY
 Hungary: October 22, 1956
  By Bela Liptak

 There must have been a couple of thousand students in the aula that day,

 but
 none of us were really paying much attention to what was going on.  One
 could hear a constant murmur in the hall.  It was like any other meeting
 in
 the communist world.  They talked at us and our only defense was not to
 listen.
 Below our gallery, on the main floor of the aula, the two Rectors of the

 dual university, László Gillemot and Tibor Cholnoky were at the
 microphone.
 With them were some professors, the Communist Party Secretary, lesser
 Party
 officials, and the leaders of the Communist Youth Organization, the
 DISZ.
 It was the DISZ that convened the meeting.  In their uniform of blue
 jackets, white shirts, and red neckties, the leaders of DISZ appeared
 like
 a
 special breed of penguins or booby birds.  They called the meeting to
 preempt the spread of MEFESZ3, the new, non-communist student
 association.
 MEFESZ had just been formed in Szeged and possibly because of that,
 suddenly
 the DISZ seemed to care a lot about us.  They talked about special train

 passes for students, cheaper textbooks, better food and housing.  They
 did
 all the talking; we did not speak up.  We never did.   It was their
 show,
 so
 they could do all the talking.
 And talk they did.  I was scraping the rust off my "gold" ring, which
 cost
 me thirty-six forints and must have had some copper in its heritage,
 because
 it was turning green.  I was spitting, rubbing, and was just beginning
 to
 make some progress when I felt Attila's elbow in my side.  He was
 pointing
 down to the speakers' platform, where there was some commotion. The
 murmur
 in the aula stopped. There was total silence.  In startled curiosity the

 dozing students were waking up, sitting up and starting to pay
 attention.
 You could hear a pin drop.  Then, from the middle of the tumult at the
 microphone, a voice rose: "I represent the MEFESZ of Szeged!  I want to
 speak!"
 It was unprecedented!  Extraordinary!  The air was thick with tension.
 We
 didn't know who spoke, didn't understand what was happen-ing.  All we
 could
 see was that the DISZ-penguins were shoving a small fellow away from the

 microphone.  He was a student, like us, and he was talking,
 gesticulating,
 but we heard nothing as the blue-jacketed DISZ people had pushed him all

 the
 way to the wall.
 Then the Party Secretary, Mrs. Orbán, admonished us, "You have only one
 duty! Your duty is to study!"  She was almost screaming.  "You don't
 want
 the MEFESZ of Szeged!  You don't want any ideas from Szeged!" I could
 not
 imagine why Szeged was suddenly such a bad place.  I didn't particularly

 care what she was saying but was hypnotized by this mini-hero, this
 crazy
 little guy from Szeged.
 I don't understand him.  I don't understand what he wants.  Is he out of

 his
 mind? Does he not know that he will be kicked out of the university?
 Not
 only that! He will also be thrown in jail, that is, right after they
 beat
 the shit out of him!?  Does he not understand that we are nobodies, that

 our
 collective name is "Shut Up?"  Does he not under-stand that he is
 nothing,
 that I am nothing, that we have no say in anything?  Does he not
 understand
 that the microphone is only for the Party collaborators and nobody, but
 nobody else talks into it?  Does he not know that even the penguins dare

 only to read their prepared statements?  And even then they don't dare
 to
 just speak but they wait until they are told that it is their turn.
 Attila muttered my own thoughts, when he said: "I just don't get it!"
 Then
 we saw the members of the military department, the only people who
 possessed
 arms at the university, marching onto the speaker's platform and we got
 very
 quiet. You could have cut the tension with a knife.  My throat was dry,
 my
 breath bated.  All eyes were on the officers.  Then suddenly, from a
 distance, we heard a voice.  It was that of a fifth-year architecture
 student, a blond, very tall young man by the name of Jancsi Danner, he
 yelled: "Let him speak!"
 My heart stopped.  Nothing like this had ever happened since the Red
 Army
 had occupied Hungary.  I stared at Jancsi.  His ears were red, his mouth

 was
 trembling, but he did not blink, he faced the bewildered and frightened
 stares of two thousand students.
 "God, he has lost his marbles!"  I said.
 In the meantime, a new and angry sort of murmur building, it was
 replacing
 the previously astonished silence and now, a few rows in front of us,
 Laci
 Zsindely, a classmate of mine, hesitantly started to clap.  It was then
 that
 the miracle occurred!
 First one, then two, then four or five students joined in and suddenly
 this
 sparse

[CTRL] (Fwd)End of free Speech on Chemical Site Data

1999-10-23 Thread K

 -Caveat Lector-
--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
From:   "D. Scott Secor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Reposted in part from c.s.y2k.

Internet speech on the details of chemical sites and Y2K is now a Federal Crime.
The law is called: The Chemical Safety Information, Site Security and
Fuels Regulatory Relief Act (PL 106-40). An FAQ for laymen is located here:
http://www.epa.gov/swercepp/pubs/newlawqa.html

Are you a duly recognized "covered person" or "covered researcher"?
Whether you are or not, you better keep your mouth shut about chemical
plants. You can be fined $5000 per facility per mouth off, up to a total
of $1 million/year.

Speech restrictions will be in effect until Aug. 5, 2000, at which time
a decision will be made on the restoration of democracy.

Legislative data on the Act:
>Approved Aug. 5, 1999.
>
>LEGISLATIVE HISTORY--S. 880:
>---
>
>SENATE REPORTS: No. 106-70 (Comm. on Environment and Public Works).
>CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 145 (1999):
>June 23, considered and passed Senate.
>July 21, considered and passed House, amended.
>Aug. 2, Senate concurred in House amendments.

The Act itself can be found here:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/useftp.cgi?IPaddress=162.140.64.21f
ilename=publ040.106directory=/diskb/wais/data/106_cong_public_laws

The EPA "FAQ" is here (please note that the EPA will fill in the blanks as
they always do (oppressive unelected bureaucrats being the budding dictators
that they really are).

http://www.epa.gov/swercepp/pubs/newlawqa.html

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fiehrer (one people, one empire, one master)

Ciao,

D. Scott Secor, Year 2000 Institute  Board of Inquiry, Mpls., MN USA
Only a few weeks before many PCs are converted from "Productivity
Centers" to "Permanently Catatonic".  URL:  http://y2k.board.org/


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Of all the tests by which the good citizen and strong
reformer can be distinguished from the vague faddist or
the inhuman sceptic, I know no better test than this --
that the unreal reformer sees in front of him one
certain future, the future of his fad; while the real
reformer sees before him ten or twenty futures among
which his country must choose, and may in some dreadful
hour choose the wrong one. The true patriot is always
doubtful of victory; because he knows that he is dealing
with a living thing; a thing with free will. To be
certain of free will is to be uncertain of success.
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[CTRL] CTBT Debate

1999-10-22 Thread K


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 In the "do we laugh or cry" department


 In case you missed the CTBT debate, it did have its lighter moments.
 For example, on three (3) occasions, Mr. Edward "Fly Me" Kennedy
 referred to the "Stockpile Stewardship Program" as the "Stockpile
 Stewardess Program."  We are not making this stuff up! Not to be
 outdone by Teddy, Majority "Leader" Chester Lott added, "Sometimes you
 just have to fulfill your constitutional duty." Sometimes?

 We suggest Mr. Lott not utter another sentence this week unless it
 includes the word "interventionists."




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[CTRL] (Fwd) Fw: Propaganda War on Guns - The Strategy Unveiled

1999-10-22 Thread K


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My military background consists of 12 years 3 months 18 days and
one breakfast in the US Army.  I served in the Korean War in 1952
and later in Europe in 1962 in a branch of law enforcement. I am
presently retired from Hewlett-Packard in Vancouver, WA.

History has always been a key interest to me and during my travels
throughout Germany and Poland I looked up a very good friend who
was a Sgt. Major stationed at Dachau who took me on a tour of the
Nazi "Death Camp."  He was a surviving member of Merrill's Marauders
who fought their way through Burma during the war and later became
my combat trainer prior to going to Korea.  He did not escape being
badly shot up in Burma but recovered enough to become a trainer. My
next visit was to Auschwitz in Poland and some neighboring police
stations.  Most of the people who lived close by these camps still
deny knowing what was going on at the time they were in use. I asked
myself how could they not know?  The answer was, they had to know.
Denial, denial, doesn't that sound like a familiar echo in today's
government?  No one deserved what those people suffered at the hands
of a tyrannical out of control government.  Is history raising it's
ugly head today?  You can count on it!  Speaking of Hitler,  please
bear with me in reading the following observations.

As you probably know, Handgun Control, Inc., (HCI) is waging a major
propaganda war against the United States, with the help of the socialist

media elite, and some powerful politicians. Their lies were once totally

disregarded by most people, but today, the majority of the people seem
to believe the anti-gunners.  Why is this?

In 1925 Adolf Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, and gave the world an
opportunity to see into his mind.  I have read it many times. Hitler
wrote about the Nazi movement from its infancy, and gave us insights
as to his intentions. In 1939, Mein Kampf was translated into English
and distributed in America.  But few people took the time to read Mein
Kampf.  After all, the predictions being made about Hitler's intentions
were crazy, and few people could comprehend them, much less believe
them.

Today we must deal with people, even fellow gun owners, who do not
believe that the present gun control attempts are leading to total
gun confiscation and a police state.  They, like the "unbelievers"
in 1939, will not take the time to research this movement. If they
did, they would see that these warnings are indeed accurate and
timely.

Mein Kampf contains two chapters on propaganda (War Propaganda,
and Propaganda and Organization), and Hitler laid out an extensive
propaganda plan in his book, a plan that would change the history of
the world.  After reading these two chapters, I learned that Hitler
was an expert on psychology, psychological warfare, and brainwashing.
Hitler probably knew more about the human mind and behavior -- and
how to control both -- than almost anyone else of his time.

I do not think that we need to argue his knowledge or success in
this area.  History quite clearly shows us the powerful effect that
Hitler had on people and what he motivated them to do.  Doubt it?
Look at the influence one man recently had on forty people in
California, resulting in mass suicide,  not to mention Manson, Jones
and a few others before them, and today, in America, Hitler's techniques

are being used again, to destroy the United States and personal
liberties.

The anti-gun movement's main propaganda themes seem to be that

(1) guns and gun owners are the root of all evil, and

(2) that they (the socialist anti-gunners) are our only hope against
the spreading plague of crime.  In Mein Kampf, Hitler's main propaganda
themes seem to be that

(1) Jews and Jewry are the root of all evil, and (2) that Hitler was
Germany's best hope against the spreading communist revolution. I fought

in the Korean war which was propagated by our Government to stop the
spread of communism.  (so we were told over and over)  We lost that
war at the

Re: [CTRL] Hanoi Jane ...100 Women of the Century

1999-10-19 Thread K


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On 19 Oct 99, at 10:31, Gavin Phillips wrote:


 Looks like Hanoi Jane will be honored as one of the "100
Women of the Century".


Who's list is this?  When  will the "honor" be announced?

K

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[CTRL] FW: Can Internet curb Clinton power?

1999-10-15 Thread K


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FRIDAY
OCTOBER 15
1999

THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY
Can Internet
curb Clinton power?
'We're not surrendering, we're
fighting back,' congressman vows

By Sarah Foster
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
Inspired in part by the successful use of the Internet in derailing the
"Know Your Customer" regulation promulgated by the Federal Deposit
Insurance Agency, a group of 14 congressmen and eight constitutional
attorneys plan to take the fight for American liberties and national
sovereignty to cyberspace.
The Liberty Study Committee, organized by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas,
will focus on three interrelated issues: privacy, including efforts to
require Americans to have a national ID; presidential executive orders;
and the United Nations.
"I am sorry and dismayed that our liberty is indeed being taken," Paul
says, explaining the mission of the committee. "However, regret and
disappointment are not the same as surrender. We are not
surrendering, we are fighting back."
And they are doing so with determination. According to Kent Snyder,
the group's executive director, the Liberty Study Committee is not a
think tank or research foundation, but an "action-oriented organization"
that will enable Americans to make their voices heard in Congress.
"Everything we do is to advance the legislative remedy to a problem,"
Snyder told WorldNetDaily. "That's priority one for the Liberty Study
Committee. There are plenty of organizations that do research, and we
encourage that, but our primary focus is not education but the legislative
solution. Everything we do must advance the solution -- a specific piece
of legislation. And we will use the Internet to do it."
Although it's a new group, the Liberty Study Committee has already
made its presence felt on Capitol Hill. Earlier this year they set up a
website, NoNationalID.com. With a click of a mouse, people could write
what they thought about national IDs and e-mail the message directly to
their representative and the two senators from their state.
On Oct. 1, the House passed the Omnibus Transportation Bill, which
included a rider by Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., repealing a section of a
statute passed in 1996 requiring that, as of Oct. 1, 2000, Americans
would be forced to carry a national ID. Under provisions of the Illegal
Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act, without an ID no one would
be allowed to board a commercial flight, purchase a handgun, receive
federal benefits or take a new, private sector job.
Although the repeal language survived the House Appropriations
Committee, there was concern that it might be deleted on the floors of
the House and possibly the Senate.
That didn't happen. The repeal language was kept by both houses --
thanks in large part to public response flooding congressional offices
with e-mails, faxes and letters.
"This is a great moment for all Americans," said Paul, who led the fight
in the House. "We have succeeded in defeating a program that would
have deprived Americans of constitutional liberties, while imposing a
massive federal bureaucracy to monitor their every step from cradle to
grave."
Snyder detailed the victory to WorldNetDaily.
"We had a lot of people going to the site, a lot of people sending
messages at the very last minute," Snyder said. "Sources who were
involved in the process admitted that our presence was definitely felt."
Although elated, Snyder cautioned that "the issue isn't going to go
away."
"The committee must remain alert for any push for any form of a
national ID card," he said. "We know that the forces that want a national
ID will continue to work for it, and we'll continue to fight it."
With one victory to their credit, the Liberty Study Committee is turning
attention to other areas of concern.
"The 72-hour effort was a practice run for a much larger effort," said
Snyder.
"The effort to stop the national ID within a 72-hour period was a success
... so we are taking that success and using it as a first step towards a
similar effort on executive orders, the United Nations, and the other
issues related to a national ID. We have the model, we have activists
nationwide who have used it, we are becoming better known by liberty-
minded individuals throughout the country."
At present, the Committee is focusing on the president's practice of
issuing executive orders to expand presidential power and set policy
agendas, something Paul and his colleagues find particularly egregious.
"By using executive orders and declarations of emergency, President
Clinton is vastly increasing the power of the national government over
us," says Paul. "He is also concentrating more power in his hands
alone by taking the legislative power that rightfully belongs to the 535
men and women of the United States Congress. With each stroke of his
pen, he is effectively rewriting our Constitution."
Paul cites as examples: Presidential Decision Directive 25 enables the
U.S. military to be moved under U.N. command without congressional
approval. Executive

[CTRL] Fw: 13 Ways to Protect Your Privacy...

1999-10-13 Thread K


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From the Sovereign Society.

===
  13 WAYS TO PROTECT WHAT'S LEFT OF YOUR
   PRIVACY AND PROPERTY RIGHTS
===

Can you still obtain virtually complete privacy or asset
protection without leaving your country? Yes, but the effort
may be extremely costly -- not to mention illegal.

In the United States, you would have to:

  *  Sell all US real estate and convert it to cash without
 losing it for "Bank Secrecy Act" or money laundering
 violations -- or having it stolen.

  *  Sell your motor vehicles and convert them to cash,
 again without committing a "privacy crime."

  *  Sell your business(es) and convert the proceeds to cash,
 without authorities questioning you as to your
 "motives."

  *  Close all US bank and securities accounts and convert
 the proceeds to cash, again assuming the same risks.

  *  When your driver's license expires, don't renew it. This
 is illegal if you continue to operate a motor vehicle.

  *  Resign from all organizations that might have your
 name on a list.

  *  Cancel all subscriptions in your real name.

  *  Cancel all your credit card accounts.

  *  Allow all your professional affiliations to lapse.

  *  Move to another state and find somewhere to live with
 all utilities -- including the telephone -- listed in
 another person's name. Pay rent in cash, of course.

  *  Don't register to vote.

  *  If you work, do odd jobs that can be performed without
 identifying yourself. Accept cash only-no checks. If you
 must accept checks, cash them at a check-cashing
 service, not a bank. Go to a different cash-checking
 service each time. It's more expensive this way, but the
 IRS may monitor regular customers of these services to
 see if they file tax returns. In following this procedure,
 you are likely to violate several federal laws.

  *  Use a series of mail receiving services to receive all
 your mail. Pay others to complete the necessary
 paperwork, then give you the keys. This violates the
 written contract at most mail receiving services and
 may also violate state or federal law. Pick up your mail
 late at night when no one else is in the mail receiving
 service that might recognize you.

  *  Assume a new identity using techniques in books such
 as The Paper Trip and The Paper Trip II. Eden Press, P.O.
 Box 8410, Fountain Valley, CA 92728; Tel: (800) 338-8484;
 Fax: (714) 556-8410). Some of these techniques are illegal.

  *  Stop filing income tax returns. This is illegal if you
 have income above the filing threshold.

  *  Use your new identity to obtain a driver's license in
 another state, using a hotel or mail receiving service in
 that state as your address. This is a federal crime if you
 obtained your new identity illegally.

  *  Apply for a passport using your new name. This too is a
 federal felony if you obtained your new identity
 illegally. Be sure to leave the section asking for a Social
 Security number blank. Have the passport mailed to
 your most secure mail receiving service. When you
 receive it, keep it in a safe place, but not in a safety
 deposit box.

These actions will make it very difficult for an investigator or
anyone else to find you. If you are discovered, take your
passport and your cash and leave the country. At the border,
don't declare your cash to Customs. This is a federal crime if
you're carrying more than $10,000.

Are you willing to go to these lengths to achieve virtual
anonymity? Fortunately, unless you're fleeing from gangsters,
terrorists or the government, there's no need to take these
extreme measures. You can still lower your profile to theft,
lawsuits and government bureaucrats by using common-sense,
remarkably simple, inexpensive, and perfectly legal techniques.

Mark Nestmann's report, "97 Ways to Protect What's Left of
Your Privacy and Property," describes 97 strategies you may
pursue. Here are a few of his ideas that you can implement
immediately:

 1.  Disclose your SSN only to companies and agencies that
 are legally obligated to ask for it or to obtain a benefit
 you cannot otherwise obtain. While non-governmental
 use of SSNs for identification purposes is essentially
 unregulated, the only companies that are legally
 obligated to ask for it are banks, brokerages, and
 employers, to report income to the IRS. Anyone who
 pays you more than $600/year as an independent
 contractor must also ask for your SSN. Organizations
 not legally obligated to ask for your SSN, but that
 routinely do so, include insurance companies, credit
 bureaus, and utility companies. You may be denied
 credit, service or employment if you refuse to provide
 your SSN to

[CTRL] (Fwd) Fw: Paint Suits

1999-10-13 Thread K


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--- Forwarded message follows ---

Oh brother! First tobacco, then guns, now *paint*.


Goaded by a law firm that reaped hundreds of millions of dollars
from state lawsuits against tobacco companies, Rhode Island is
suing eight paint manufacturers who years ago used lead in their
products.

The South Carolina-based law firm of Ness, Motley, Loadholt,
Richardson  Poole has also approached four states and three
major cities to explore filing similar suits on their behalf.
This suggests the start of a new wave of actions against paint
companies.

   o   The Rhode Island suit seeks to recover public costs of
   providing health care and special education to children
   supposedly harmed by lead poisoning -- as well as
   requiring the industry to strip all lead paint from public
   and private buildings accessible to children in the state.

   o   The law firm is financing Rhode Island's suit in return
   for a 17 percent share of any recovery it wins for the
   state.

   o   The suit alleges that eight companies that either made
   lead paint, or acquired companies that did, conspired to
   promote their products while failing to disclose the
   danger it posed to children.

   o   Yet paint makers stopped using lead in interior paints in
   the 1950s -- while the federal government banned lead in
   paint in 1978.

Lead Industries Association Inc., the industry's trade
association which was also named in the suit, claims that similar
conspiracy charges have been rejected by courts in the past --
most notably in a 1997 decision in Maryland that found the
hazards of lead paint had been widely publicized with warning
labels and industry campaigns to discourage its use inside homes.

Similar suits against paint makers are in the works in Baltimore,
Cleveland, New York and Buffalo, N.Y.

Source: Milo Geyelin, "Former Makers of Lead Paint Are Sued by
Rhode Island for Child Health Costs," Wall Street Journal,"
October 13, 1999.

For text (requires WSJ Interactive subscription)
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB939770266795100483.htm

For more on Product Liability
http://www.ncpa.org/pd/law/tcr/index5g.html



--- End of forwarded message ---

--
Kathleen

"Government governed least is government governed best." --Thomas Jefferson

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[CTRL] What's wrong with today's liberals and conservatives?

1999-10-05 Thread k


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By Steve Green

Too often, voters' choice is limited to moral theocrats or economic
statists

   There was a time when "liberal" meant a respect for civil liberties
such as free speech, restrictions on government searches, the
principle of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, etc.  Some
1960s liberals even went so far as to support drug decriminalization
and other reforms of victimless crime laws.  Of course, they were
always, and continue to be, hostile to private property rights,
advocates of high taxes and income redistribution, and regulation.
They have always been economic statists.
 Today's Democrat doesn't even have respect for civil liberties.
They are totally committed to government regulating every aspect
of the human condition.
 Not wanting to appear soft on crime, they support warrantless
searches.  Free speech is okay if politically correct - but not
otherwise.  Commercial speech is subject to great regulation,
especially if you sell tobacco.  Pornography can be censored since
it "demeans" women.  Guns should only be possessed by the
police.  If you appear suspicious, you forfeit your property - even if
not found guilty of a crime.  Schools need not teach reading,
writing and arithmetic as long as they issue condoms and teach
liberal social ideas.
 Nothing is subject to private ownership.  If you own a bar, the
government tells you that your patrons must not smoke.  If you
own rural property, you must not be allowed to develop it.

 Run your business
 If you make an honest living, you must pay 40% of your
earnings to the government.  You must be told who to hire and
when you can fire.  The government specifies the proper wage and
how to run your business.
 So today's Democrat is like yesterday's authoritarian.
Everything you do should be subject to governmental approval.
You are considered incompetent to conduct either your economic
or your personal life without the government's express consent.
 By contrast, sometimes the Republicans can be given credit for
supporting at least some form of economic freedom.  Of course,
there are numerous exceptions.  But by and large, there is still
some respect for private property and some belief in limits on taxes
by today's ultra-conservative who dominates the Republican Party.
Unfortunately, they are all too often willing to compromise with the
Democrats on economic freedoms.
 But there is a big price for this limited economic freedom offered
by the Republicans.  Conservatives have always been hostile to
certain non-economic civil liberties - but today they are much
worse.
 On the one hand, a conservative will support technological
development such as the internet by attempting to limit taxes and
business regulation.  On the other hand, conservatives want to
censor the entire World Wide Web to protect children, since
parents are considered incompetent.
 Of course, the end result will be destruction of a new
technology along with new, selectively prosecuted, unenforceable
laws.
 The conservatives rightfully oppose the liberal school
curriculum.  However, in its place, they offer their own social
programming.  While we have a diverse society of many religions,
including individuals who choose no religion at all, the social
conservative wishes to teach us creationism and some form of
state-mandated prayer.
 To their credit, these same conservatives generally support
school choice, but until such time as vouchers become law, we are
held hostage to a choice of a liberal school curriculum or a state
specified religious one.
 To the social conservative, there is no difference between
religion and politics.  The dominant religion can be codified into
law.  Theocracy is their goal.
 The drug war must be accelerated, even if not successful,
because it is the "moral" thing to do.  Tax benefits should be
targeted only to those in state-defined family structures.

 Tough on crime
 Always "tough on crime," the conservatives support warrantless
searches, telephone taps, limits to jury trials, etc.  If was the
Republicans, not the Democrats, who authored the country's first
asset forfeiture laws.
 And what of economic freedoms?  Well, in San Diego, where I
live, it is the Republicans who push for corporate welfare projects -
sports subsidies to overpaid athletes in the form of new stadiums;
free convention centers for the tourist industry; and so on.
 I was never a Democrat, and for the above reasons I left the
Republican Party some years ago.  Only the Libertarian Party
offers freedom.

About the Author:  Steve Green is Chairman of the San Diego
County Libertarian Party

The Democrats are the ones who will give you a loan. The
Republicans are the ones who will guarantee you a loan.
The Libertarians are the ones who will leave you alone.
-- Cal Ludeman

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Re: [CTRL] Going Postal (With Style!)

1999-10-02 Thread k


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Better watch it.  If Sarah Brady sees this she might think it's
true and go after everybodys butter knives.

Kathleen

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Art Dealer Is Arrested for Exhibition of Live Ammunition

1999-10-01 Thread K


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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---


Subject:Art Dealer Is Arrested for Exhibition of Live Ammunition

Please remember, friends, that this is in the same city where a
dung-
adorned Virgin Mary is defended as "freedom of expression," and
the Mayor
(whom I generally do not admire) is under attack for withholding tax
dollars from the exhibiting museum.

Regards,
Olga

http://www.nytimes.com/library/arts/093099boone-gallery.html

September 30, 1999

Art Dealer Is Arrested for Exhibition of Live Ammunition

By ANDY NEWMAN

A prominent Manhattan art dealer was arrested on Wednesday
night at her
Fifth Avenue gallery, where an exhibition included a vase full of live
9-millimeter cartridges for visitors to take home as souvenirs, the
police
said.

 The dealer, Mary Boone, was charged with unlawful distribution of
ammunition and with resisting arrest, said Detective Joseph
Pentangelo, a
police spokesman.

 She was also charged with possession of unlawful weapons and
possession
of stolen property for another piece in the one-man show by the
sculptor
Tom Sachs, which featured homemade guns, Detective Pentangelo
said. Ms.
Boone was being held at the Midtown North precinct house early
this
morning and was expected to be taken to Manhattan Central
Booking to spend
the night in jail, the detective said. All of the charges are
misdemeanors.

 The arrest of Ms. Boone, 48, a flamboyant, sharply dressed art-
world
celebrity who came to prominence in the 1980's, comes in the
midst of
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's battle with the Brooklyn Museum of
Art over a
painting of the Virgin Mary partly obscured by pieces of elephant
dung.

 The Police Department's chief spokeswoman, Marilyn Mode, said
that the
two events were unrelated.

 "It is irresponsible, at the very least, to be distributing live
ammunition to the public," Ms. Mode said. "This has nothing to do
with the
Brooklyn Museum." Joseph J. Lhota, a deputy mayor, declined to
comment on
Ms. Boone's arrest, saying he did not know enough about the case.

 Sachs, whose work deals with consumer culture, packaging and
violence,
placed the cartridges in an Alvar Aalto glass vase on the reception
desk
of the gallery at 745 Fifth Avenue, just north of 58th Street. Visitors
were invited to take the cartridges home in orange air-sickness
bags that
were decorated to look like bags from Hermès.

 Ms. Mode said the police had received a complaint about the
show, which

opened on Sept. 10, on Wednesday and had gone to the fourth-floor
gallery
around 5 P.M.

 "We were told that this ammunition was available for anyone to
pick up at
this art gallery and we just looked into it," she said. "We wanted to
see
if it was bullets or foil-wrapped chocolates, and they're definitely not

chocolate bullets."

 While detectives were waiting to speak to Ms. Boone, they
wandered into

the main part of the gallery and noticed a cabinet on the wall
holding
homemade guns -- Sachs's signature object -- and what appeared
to be more
live cartridges, Ms. Mode said.

 They decided to take all the suspect objects, as well as an
unwilling Ms.
Boone, into custody until they could determine which things were
potentially explosive and which were works of art, Ms. Mode said.

 After technicians from the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms
determined that the bullets were live, Ms. Boone was charged with
unlawful
possession and disposal of ammunition.

 Later in the evening, when Sachs's homemade guns were deemed
functional,
the police added charges of criminal possession of a weapon and
criminal

possession of a shotgun, Detective Pentangelo said. The stolen-
property
charge was added because the container that the guns were in
was made of

stolen materials, the detective said, but would not give details.

 Ms. Boone's lawyer, Ted Poretz, who was at the station house
with her,
declined to comment for the record.

 Norman Siegel, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties
Union,
said that Ms. Boone had a potential claim under the free-speech
clause of
the First Amendment if the exhibit was reasonably understood as
artistic

expression. Unlike a bank robbery, which the bank robber cannot
retroactively define as performance art, the exhibit in Ms. Boone's
gallery
would probably meet this standard, he said.

 But, Siegel added: "There is a second legal standard, known as a
countervailing interest, that would appear to be a problem. The
argument

would be that people shouldn't be handing out live bullets."

 Ms. Mode said that claims to artistic expression were
meaningless in the
face of actions that posed a threat to public safety.

 "If this were simply someone handing bullets out on the street, you
would
criticize us greatly for not doing something about it," she said.
"This is
an unsupervised exhibit with a glass vase filled with bullets, live
ammunition."

 Ms. Boone, who was called the "Queen of the Art World" on the
cover of
New York magazine in the

Counting down
Fred Pearce
THIS MONTH, somewhere in the world--it could be in a London maternity ward, but more likely in a São Paolo favela or a Calcutta slum--the 6-billionth member of the human race will be born. The UN will officially recognise his or her birthday on 12 October.
Only 12 years have passed since we hit the 5-billion mark, so the event has been greeted with portentous warnings of a "population time bomb" and a "demographic disaster". But delve behind the words of the doom-mongers, say some demographers, and you'll find evidence that in the not-too-distant future, the world population may actually start to shrink.
According to this very different picture, the world's population will peak some time in the 21st century, then start falling. So while today's youth are exhorted to have fewer children, their grandchildren may be actively encouraged to go forth and multiply.
"Over the past five years, fertility has declined in all major parts of the world," says one of the heretics, Wolfgang Lutz, head of population research at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenburg, Austria. "All changes point to lower population forecasts." And on his most recent forecasts, the upward path of population growth, which has been accelerating ever since the Black Death killed as much as a third of Europe's population in the 14th century, will stall and go into reverse in about 70 years.
The signs of a possible decline in the human population have been building for several years now. In the 1950s, women around the world had 5 children on average. Now women have just 2.7 children each. During the past decade, the annual increase in the head count has fallen from 90 million to 78 million. And in one sector of the population, absolute numbers are falling. In 1990, there were 623 million under-fives. By 1995, there were only 614 million under- fives. It could be the start of a trend that will spread right across the age spectrum.
Demographers had predicted a downturn. But it is happening much faster and more widely than they anticipated. Twice in the past three years, the UN's statisticians have lowered their projections of future populations. On the second occasion, late last year, they postponed by four months the "six-billion day" and reduced their forecast of the world population in 2050 by half a billion, from 9.4 billion to 8.9 billion.
The main reason for these changes is the dramatic fall in fertility rates, particularly in the developing world. Across Africa and Asia, hundreds of millions of people are confounding predictions by reducing family sizes. It used to be said that, without the Draconian imposition of birth control, only countries with rising prosperity and increasingly literate and urban populations could go through what demographers call the demographic transition--the switch to smaller families and stable populations.
But in the 1990s, a number of countries have disproved this. Bangladesh, once in the world's demographic doghouse, has cut its fertility rate from 6.2 children per woman to 3.4 in a decade, thanks to contraception, and despite extreme poverty and illiteracy. Fertility rates in many African countries, though still very high, are falling fast as contraceptive use grows there as well.
Lester Brown, director of the Worldwatch Institute in Washington DC and author of a new study on world population, Beyond Malthus, is well known for his apocalyptic visions of an overpopulated future. But even he concedes: "Demographers have been surprised again and again by the rapid decline in the number of children couples choose to bear throughout the world."
But there is also a dark side to the population slow-down. In sub- Saharan Africa death rates are rising due to the spread of HIV. In some countries, a quarter of the adult population is infected. Last year, the US Census Bureau calculated life expectancy in Botswana had fallen from 62 years to 40 years, and in Zimbabwe from 61 to 39 (New Scientist, 17 October 1998, p 12). In one of the most eloquent testimonies to the social impact of AIDS in Africa, the UN population agency in Zimbabwe this year limited the number of funerals its staff can attend in work time to one a week.
Says Brown: "Tragically, the world is divided into two parts: one where population growth is slowing as fertility falls, and one where population growth is slowing as mortality rises."
The prognosis for the AIDS pandemic is unclear: in the next twenty years much will depend on how quickly science can supply affordable and effective vaccines to the developing world. However, fertility rates may be more predictable. According to the UN's population division in New York, fertility rates are now below the long-term replacement level of 2.1 in 61 countries, including most of Europe, the Caribbean and eastern Asia, including China. American women have 2 children on average, British women 1.7 and in Catholic countries such as Italy and

[CTRL] (Fwd) Individual Liberties

1999-09-29 Thread K

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
Date sent:  29 Sep 1999 06:09:10 -
To: List Member [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:   "Privacy Concerns" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Individual Liberties

Privacy Concerns -
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/privacyconcerns/index.html

To All Concerned With Individual Liberties,

 It should be clear by now that one waives their Constitutional
"Protections" whenever they "voluntarily" utilize government
services for
"Privileges" or "Benefits" in which participation IS NOT mandatory
under
government's Constitutionally granted authority.  This pretty much
explains how government can operate in areas OUTSIDE of its
Constitutional
authority.  There is nothing Unconstitutional about offering you a
program
which you may opt NOT to participate in.

 This also partly explains the income tax issue.  If having a SSN is NOT
mandatory, but voluntary, (Leaving the issue of disclosure aside for now)
then the mere existence of a SSN in your name is evidence of your
agreement to accept the "Privileges" and "Benefits" associated with this
elective program.  Having "volunteered" to participate, you become
obligated to abide by every rule and regulation promulgated by the
involved agencies, i.e. SSA  IRS.  (Don't you suppose that this is how
the IRS can maintain that filing an income tax return is "Voluntary"?)
More importantly, because you are participating "voluntarily" in a NON
Mandatory program, there is no obligation on the agencies part to provide
you with any Constitutional "Protections".  You will find these legal
concepts firmly etched in the LAW when you look in the right places!

 The real problem facing us is that the legal profession has been trained
almost exclusively in administrative law which is 99.% of the law that
is practiced today.  The Constitution is NOT "Dead","Dormant", "Asleep",
or anything else.  It is simply a "tool" that is not being used because no
one has the instruction manual anymore.  What better way to eliminate the
most troublesome freedom document the world has ever known; just don't
show anyone in Law School how to use it while telling your students that
there is no money in Constitutional Law.

Find us an open-minded attorney with an interest in personal liberties and
a desire to set things right, and we can obsolete groups like the NRA
whose officers have apparently fallen victim to the same human frailties
that are plaguing the entire "Patriot" Movement (or more accurately, Lack
of Movement).  It seems that many Publishers who, with good intentions
worked hard to create an "Informative" product, have settled into the
comfort of a "Revenue Stream" from a "Marketable" product and have
forgotten why they got into the Patriot battle to begin with. These
publishers seem to closed-mindedly and steadfastly protect their false or
incomplete notions because the truth will obsolete their products and
their low effort existence.  I call this "The Entity Syndrome".  It occurs
whenever a group of people comes together for a purpose and grows to
become a large unwieldy "Organization".  Like all entities or life forms,
its purpose becomes SURVIVAL and it forgets the original founders purpose
(especially when the organization has employees making six digit incomes.)
 Just like the old adage, "When you're up to your ass in alligators, its
hard to remember your original purpose was to drain the swamp."

 The problem with big organizations is exacerbated by that basic side of
human nature that wants to survive by expending the least amount of
energy.  Thus, the officers settle into the comfort of the organization's
revenue stream instead of solving the problem as the organization's
entrepreneurial founder would have done!!!  It is much easier to argue
about why you are right than it is to go out and do the work required to
rethink, research, and regain a correct conclusion that will actually
solve the problem and MOVE the Movement in a "Forward" direction!!!

 While this is an op-ed of sorts, we are dead serious about possessing the
understanding of the FUNDAMENTALS OF LAW that can actually solve the
Constitutionally based problems that are Dividing those concerned with
"Personal Liberties" instead of Uniting them.  We also do not want to
create any more martyrs than the movement already has created.  No one has
to go to jail or lose all of their property, fighting from an unwinable
position.  But, be aware, this battle can not be fought on a one-on-one
personal basis.  The Constitutional "Cases and Controversies" are there,
just waiting, and believe it or not, so are the Courts. "Waiting for
what?" you ask.  Consider this quotation from the Courts concerning the
"Function of the People" in our system of government.

 "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from
falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the
government from falling into error."

[CTRL] Fw: Smokers Away

1999-09-29 Thread K


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 http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=303FS=+Smokers+
Away+   By Gregory Bresiger[Posted September 27, 1999]
The hypocrisy of the federal government appears limitless. Now its suing the big
  tobacco companies for $25 billion. Mind you, theyre not
going after the cigar companies, which, of course, dont have
deep pockets. Just cigarettes smokers and makersAmericas
most embattled minority.
  How can the government sue these companies? It
sanctioned the sale of cigarettes for years. It collected billions of dollars in 
taxes. It gave free butts to its military for decades. It
knew for years that smokes are dangerous. But it waits until now
to say anything about illegality?
  Moreover, the government is headed by a man who
smokes cigars, and the number two man in the government used
to brag that he farmed tobacco (that is until he found out that he
could exploit his sisters death from lung cancer to win re-election
in 1996).
  On what legal or moral basis can the government sue? Its
one thing for an individual to sue big tobacco--although how
someone could say he or she didnt know that too much smoking
causes health problems is a great mystery. But the government
has all the legal authority to do this as a bunch of shakedown
artists.
  The government has gotten rich off the profits of big
tobacco. Now, apparently, it wants a lot more. If theres any
crime here, the government is virtually a co-conspirator. The
government was delighted to collect huge taxes. If smoking was
wrong---and apparently only smoking cigs is evil, not, for the
moment, cigars or pipes---why did the government accept the
billions of dollars in taxes? Why did it push these products with its military?
  By the way, the government, with its vast resources at both the federal and 
state levels, can sue you, me or any industry. It
can destroy a persons life (see the Sedition Act period of World
War I, FDRs political prosecutions, and recent  targeted audits).
It can destroy an industry (private railroads, housing in New York
City that was ruined by idiotic, politically motivated rent control
laws, etc), but what practical recourse does the individual have
when a government blunders?
  Meanwhile, Janet Reno will never have to worry about the
consequences of any ridiculous lawsuits shes filed.
  Even if you dont care about the fate of tobacco companies
per se, you should care about private property. If the government
can arrogate the private property of tobacco execs, then it can
take the property of anyone and everyone.
  I am reminded of the Robert Caro biography of Robert
Moses (Power Broker). In the 20s, the New York public
seemed to cheer when Moses ran roughshod over the rights of
the rich who owned estates on Long Island so he could start
building the state park system. That was ok. Who doesnt hate the
rich? Along with obese people in 1999, these are minorities who
one can rip and suffer no consequences.
  However, later in his career, when Moses moved against
working-class neighborhoods in the Bronx and Brooklyn, then---
and only then---did Moses finally run into some opposition,
although the Cross-Bronx Expressway (a monument to the
stupidity and arrogance of government planners) was still built.
Every time my car goes over this nightmare of a road I think of
the poltroon pols who were happy to allow Moses to have
unlimited power as long as he trampled on the rights of
politically impotent groups.
  Where will this all end? Today, the tobacco industry.
Tomorrow the liquor industry.
  Whats after that? Who knows? But remember hooligans
dont stop after one or two  successes. They become emboldened
and will go after anyone and everyone that the pc police
momentarily decides has run afoul of their standards. Careers are
wrecked. Businesses destroyed. Liberty is endangered.
  Woodrow Wilson, the great hero of todays liberals (who
really are more socialists than liberals) should read up on history.
Wilson illegally jailed tens of thousands of Americans whose
crime was they opposed World War I. FDR not only jailed loyal
Japanese-Americans, he connived in the theft of their property.
Wilsons actions, of course, encouraged government and private
patriotic groups to outlaw the teaching of German and the
playing of Beethoven.
  That this same government sets itself up as a moral
authority; that it implicitly claims the right to persecute people for ex-posto facto 
crimes, is why I believe the only way for liberty to
be safe in any country is to have a weak, de-centralized, limited
government. Wasnt that the promise of the original constitution,
which, unsurprisingly, is scorned by todays pc types?
  The rule of law---especially the concept of the Der
Rechtsstaat, a German philosophical legal tradition holding that
governments must be subject to

[CTRL] The Seedy Side of the FCC

1999-09-28 Thread K

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http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/21985.html
The Seedy Side of the FCC by {HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"}Declan McCullagh
12:15 p.m. 28.Sep.99.PDT
GRAND TETON NATIONAL PARK, Wyoming -- Americans often seem to view the US Federal Communications Commission as something between a benign nuisance and an antediluvian bureaucracy.
But is the FCC really a group of modern-day Don Corleones who run a protection racket complete with threats to kowtow to government demands or else?
That's how one FCC commissioner views his colleagues. "They are engaged in shakedowns, extortions, and things that fall outside the formal regulatory process," {HYPERLINK "http://www.fcc.gov/commishfurchtgott.html"}Harold Furchtgott-Roth said Tuesday at a {HYPERLINK "http://www.hudson.org/"}Hudson Institute {HYPERLINK "http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21972.html"} in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
"The commission has been very effective in shaking down companies [and deciding] which communities get served first, which communities get served last, [and] who the assets get spun off to," he said.
Furchtgott-Roth, a Clinton appointee who is the sole economist among the agency's four other lawyers-turned-commissioners, is frequently the lone dissenting voice when the FCC considers new regulations. Under US law, the FCC has broad regulatory authority over telecommunications companies.
He criticized the conditions the FCC required before {HYPERLINK "http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/21936.html"} the SBC- Ameritech merger, and pointed at "the conditions which SBC has 'voluntarily' submitted with a gun pointed at its head.
"Somehow, all the conditions have nothing to do with wireless licenses, but a lot of other things."
Furchtgott-Roth also slammed the so-called "Gore tax," or {HYPERLINK "http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21042.html"}e-rate fee that the FCC devised to wire schools and libraries to the Net. "There we have a situation where the commission has invented a tax to fund programs at schools and libraries across America purportedly to bring broadband. At first blush this seems like a good thing."
But, he said, Department of Education statistics published in January 1998 - - before the e-rate checks began to flow -- showed about 70 percent of schools already had access.
"This is just preposterous. Most schools and libraries were hooked up to the Internet before a nickel of this multibillion dollar tax was imposed on Americans. There's hardly a politician who's willing to stand up and say this is an incredible fraud," Furchtgott-Roth said.
Martin Irvine, a Georgetown University professor who spoke Monday, said his experience suggested otherwise. "I can't believe that so many schools are connected," he said.
Irvine also said that the FCC should not refrain from regulation of the Net and telecommunications businesses, saying that some forms of control over what companies and individuals can do are better than others. "Regulation does not equal regulation does not equal regulation," he said.
Glenn Woroch, a research economist at GTE Laboratories, said he believed that the FCC needed to intervene in the telecom industry -- and the Internet business too. "I also think there's room for agencies like the FCC to help the industry move out of certain conventions. There are a lot of pricing conventions in the industry that are distortionary and do not contain good incentives for investment," Woroch said.
He pointed to Internet peering arrangements as one area where the FCC could intervene with regulations or standards-setting. "There's something that cannot continue. But there's great difficulty in coordinating the industry from that pricing system to one that's based on cost," he said.
Furchtgott-Roth predicted that differences in regulation between the Internet and more tightly controlled media like cable and broadcast will make for some nasty fights. "It's going to be a very slow process and it's going to create a lot of problems," he said.

My favourite mythical creature? The honest politician.

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Re: [CTRL] Waco post

1999-09-27 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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And since when would these agencies be the proper ones to be dealing with
child abuse in the first place!  I do not think that would fall under the
jurisdiction of BATF and Delta Force even IF it had been occurring.
Amelia

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 From alt.conspiracy, WACO and the Child abuse allegations.
 Enjoy, or not.


 Subject: Post of FINAL evidence against WACO Child Abuse, End of Premise
 From: "James Perkins" A
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 Subject: No more crap about child abuse - End of argument for Fed
supporters
 Date: 1999/09/19
 Author: James Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 From the St. Louis "Post Dispatch"
 Full article at:
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 "The nation already knows that there was some poor judgment. Officials of
 the FBI and Justice Department have acknowledged as much. The FBI has
 admitted that some of its tactics, like broadcasting loud noises, were
 ill-conceived. It has admitted that it did not have new evidence of child
 abuse at the time it used child-abuse allegations to persuade Attorney
 General Janet Reno to authorize the assault on the compound. And the FBI
has
 belatedly admitted that it fired pyrotechnic tear gas at a bunker on the
 morning of the assault, even though Reno had denied for years that
flammable
 tear gas was used."

 So, the next time anyone (especially familyvalues) wants to throw this
 argument up as a shield for the Fed, "Just Say NO".

 James Perkins

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Re: [CTRL] Zap the Bastards

1999-09-27 Thread Amelia K Edgeman

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Sorry, but this begs for the old saw "Well, it certainly deters ONE person
!"
Amelia

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 So what if the death penalty deters?
 Steven Goldberg
 National Review, June 30, 1989 v41 n12 p42(2)

 --
--

 Opponents of the death penalty have many reasons for their opposition that
 innocent people may be executed, that the death penalty is 'uncivilized',-
 that the state should not take lives. But what these arguments come down
to
 is.

 DOES THE THREAT of the death penalty deter people from murderous behavior
 more than the threat of imprisonment for life? We do not yet know with
 anything even approaching certainty whether the death penalty does or does
 not deter. The question is clearly empirical; and it is likely that
 sophisticated statistical techniques will eventually permit us an answer.

 Professor Isaac Ehrlich and his colleagues, utilizing his statistical
 techniques, argue that there can be little doubt about the ability of the
 death penalty to deter. Ehrlich concludes that each additional execution
 prevents about seven or eight people from committing murder. All
statistical
 arguments on the death penalty are, however, excruciatingly complex. Some
 critics, for example, have argued that increased likelihood of execution
 leads juries to convict fewer people, thereby offsetting the deterrent
 effect. If anything, the empirical evidence is that the death penalty does
 deter. But this is inevitably open to dispute. As a result, firm
conclusions
 that the death penalty either does or does not deter are unwarranted and
 usually determined by one's psychological and moral leanings.

 In academic and media circles, psychological and moral resistance to the
 idea of the death penalty usually leads to the assertion that it does not
 deter. These people's conclusion may or may not be correct, but it does
not
 follow from the arguments they deploy. Since many murders result from
 emotional impulse (e.g., the angry husband who kills his wife), the death
 penalty could have, at best only the slightest deterrent effect, If the
 death penalty deters, it is likely that it does so through society's
saying
 that certain acts are so unacceptable that society will kill someone who
 commits them. The individual internalizes the association of the act and
the
 penalty throughout his life, constantly increasing his resistance to
 committing the act. Note that there is no implication here that the
 potential murderer consciously weighs the alternatives and decides that
the
 crime is worth life in prison, but not death. No serious theory of
 deterrence claims that such rational calculation of punishment (as opposed
 to no rational calculation, or calculation only of the probability of
 getting caught) plays a role.

 There is no a priori reason for assuming that this process is less
relevant
 to emotional acts than rational acts; most husbands, when angry, slam
doors,
 shout, or sulk. Neither the death penalty nor anything else deterred the
 husband who did murder his wife, so the question is not what deterred the
 person who did murder (nothing did), but what deterred the person who
 didn't. If the death penalty deters, it is, in all likelihood, primarily
 because it instills a psychological resistance to the act, not because it
 offers a rational argument against committing the act at the time that the
 decision is being made. In short, it is only legislators who calculate (or
 at least should calculate) the deterrent effect of the death penalty.
 Potential murderers simply act; the deterrent effect of the death penalty,
 if there is one, acts upon them. If it acts with sufficient strength, it
 prevents their becoming murderers. The legislator is the physicist
studying
 the forces that move particles; the potential murderers are the moving
 particles.

 There is no evidence that the death penalty deters. This is simply untrue.
 Ehrlich's complex statistical techniques establish a real case that the
 death penalty deters. But here let us assume, for argument's sake, that
 there was no such evidence. The more important point is that there is a
 crucial difference between there being no evidence that two things are
 correlated and there being evidence that two things are not correlated.
The
 latter means that we have good evidence that the two things are not
related;
 the former means simply that we have no evidence on either side of the
case.

 Now, it is quite true that we must have some sort of evidence in order to
 even entertain the idea that two things are related. Our reason for not
 believing that tall Italian men are smarter than short Italian men is not
 simply that we have no direct evidence, but also because we have no

[CTRL] (Fwd) Fw: What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army?

1999-09-25 Thread K

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http://www.doubleought.com/1pistol.html
WHAT GOOD CAN A HANDGUN DO AGAINST AN ARMY.?
By Mike Vanderboegh
5 December 1998

 A friend of mine recently forwarded me a question a friend of his
had
posed:

 "If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder
our
property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do
against an army
with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else
they
might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals? (I'm
not
being facetious: I accept the possibility that what happened in
Germany,
or similar, could happen here; I'm just not sure that the potential
good
from an armed citizenry in such a situation outweighs the day-to-
day
problems

caused by masses of idiots who own guns.)"

 If I may, I'd like to try to answer that question. I certainly do not
think the writer facetious for asking it. The subject is a serious one
that I have given much research and considerable thought to. I
believe
that upon the answer to this question depends the future of our
Constitutional republic, our liberty and perhaps our lives. My friend
Aaron Zelman, one of the founders of Jews for the Preservation of
Firearms
Ownership, once told me:

 "If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a
Mauser
rifle
and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT
(emphasis
supplied,
MV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of
the

Weimar Republic."

 Note well that phrase: "and the will to use it," for the simply-stated
question, "What good can a handgun do against an army?", is in
fact a
complex one and must be answered at length and carefully. It is a
military
question. It is also a political question. But above all it is a moral
question which strikes to the heart of what makes men free, and
what makes
them slaves. First, let's answer the military question.

 Most military questions have both a strategic and a tactical component.

Let's consider the tactical.

 A friend of mine owns an instructive piece of history. It is a small,
crude pistol, made out of sheet-metal stampings by the U.S. during World

War II. While it fits in the palm of your hand and is a slowly-operated,

single-shot arm, it's powerful .45 caliber projectile will kill a man with
brutal efficiency. With a short, smooth-bore barrel it can reliably kill

only at point blank ranges, so its use requires the will (brave or
foolhardy) to get in close before firing. It is less a soldier's weapon
than an assassin's tool. The U.S. manufactured them by the million during
the war, not for our own forces but rather to be air-dropped behind German
lines to resistance units in occupied Europe. Crude and slow (the fired
case had to be knocked out of the breech by means of a little wooden
dowel, a fresh round procured from the storage area in the grip and then
manually reloaded and cocked) and so wildly innaccurate it couldn't hit
the broad

side of a French barn at 50 meters, to the Resistance man or woman who had
no firearm it still looked pretty darn good.

 The theory and practice of it was this: First, you approach a German
sentry with your little pistol hidden in your coat pocket and, with
Academy-award sincerity, ask him for a light for your cigarette (or the
time the train leaves for Paris, or if he wants to buy some non-army-issue
food or a perhaps half-hour with your "sister"). When he smiles and casts
a nervous glance down the street to see where his Sergeant is at, you blow

his brains out with your first and only shot, then take his rifle and
ammunition. Your next few minutes are occupied with "getting out of
Dodge," for such critters generally go around in packs. After that
(assuming you

evade your late benefactor's friends) you keep the rifle and hand your
little pistol to a fellow Resistance fighter so they can go get their own
rifle.

 Or maybe you then use your rifle to get a submachine gun from the
Sergeant
when he comes running. Perhaps you get very lucky and pickup a light
machine gun, two boxes of ammunition and a haversack of hand grenades.
With two of the grenades and the expenditure of a half-a-box of ammunition
at a hasty roadblock the next night, you and your friends get a truck full
of

arms and ammunition. (Some of the cargo is sticky with "Boche" blood, but
you don't mind terribly.)

 Pretty soon you've got the best armed little maquis unit in your part of
France, all from that cheap little pistol and the guts to use it. (One
wonders if the current political elite's opposition to so-called "Saturday
Night Specials" doesn't come from some adopted racial memory of previous

failed tyrants. Even cheap little pistols are a threat to oppressive
regimes.)

 They called the pistol the "Liberator." Not a

[CTRL] Fwd: Tagged Students Defy Big Brother, Part 2

1999-09-24 Thread K

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Tagged Students Defy Big Brother, Part 2
By David M. Bresnahan © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
Students at Louisiana's Ruston High School continue to protest the use of ID badges displaying their Social Security numbers, one parent is threatening a federal criminal complaint, and the man who programmed the computers involved has given advice to the students -- become an administrative headache. (See part one, {HYPERLINK "http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990923_xex_tagged_stude.shtml"}Tagged students defy Big Brother in yesterday's WND.)
Each student in Louisiana, whether they know it or not, has a state student ID number. That number by default is also their Social Security number. Parents can object and require the school to use a different number.
"Students' parents can request a new state identification number if they object to use of the Social Security number," advised Eric L. Green, who was formerly contracted to install and administer the computers at Ruston High School
"The school is required to issue such a number if requested. This is by both state law and school district policy," he explained to WorldNetDaily. "This is the best form of civil disobedience. It causes a serious administrative headache and gives them great incentive to change the policy. It also directly involves district personnel, who, when inconvenienced, are likely to go to the superintendent's office and say 'This policy must be changed.'"
Students who have been protesting the new requirement to wear an ID badge displaying their Social Security number have refused to wear the controversial badges. Jonathan Washington was made to wear a temporary red badge on Thursday.
"I wore it for five minutes, then took it off," said Washington, 15. He said he did not wear a badge for the rest of the day. Others have begun to follow Washington's lead. Indeed, he has obtained hundreds of signatures of students supporting a petition to remove the Social Security numbers from the badges.
The school computers contain each student's Social Security number as well as a specially created student identification number. That number was created to avoid problems with the use of Social Security numbers.
"I am mystified why they put the Social Security numbers on the card, rather than the district-assigned seven-digit student identification number," Green told WorldNetDaily. "The district- assigned number was specifically created over seven years ago due to concerns about widespread use of the Social Security numbers, concerns expressed both by Lincoln Parish School Board district officials and by other school officials state-wide.
"The student identification number can be queried out of the Student Information Systems database just as easily as the Social Security number. The only thing that I can think of is that the placard-generating software they used had a nine-digit space for student ID number, and they were too stupid to figure out how to put a seven-digit number into that space," he explained from Arizona where he now lives.
Green was paid as a consultant to install the current computer system at Ruston High School, and spent two years supervising the transfer of data from those computers to the school district and to the state computers in Baton Rouge. Green also transferred data from the school lunch program computers to the federal government.
"The only system I know of that must use the federal Social Security number is the lunch system, where various anti-fraud laws require them to submit the data to the feds and the feds then match it against the food stamp rosters," Green explained.
The computers do not print out Social Security numbers on any reports, except for reports required by state and federal agencies. Reports used by the school system default to the student identification number, which is seven digits instead of the nine used by the Social Security number.
"I have no idea why other software vendors did not adopt such a solution to privacy concerns with the Social Security number, just as I have no idea why the administration at Ruston High School chose to use a number that their administrative software vendor had been specifically told (by the school district) not to use as a publicly reported piece of data, due to privacy concerns," Green stated.
"At this point, I have discussed the legal ramifications of this with the principal and an assistant superintendent who has gotten a legal opinion, albeit I think flawed, from a lawyer that represents them," said Paul Washington, father of Jonathan, in a phone interview with WorldNetDaily. "My feeling is that my next move is to either contact the federal authorities, or institute a lawsuit on my own. Either way, I am getting very close to instituting legal action one way or the other."
Washington said he hopes the school officials will change the ID cards before he is forced to take legal action to intervene. He has asked the principal to have the barcodes

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Louisiana high school tags students


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You are quoting from the article I forwarded.  I did not write this.
The author of the article was clearly identified.

Kathleen

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 On 22 Sep 99, , Kathleen wrote:

  On a campus such as ours that is fairly open from all
  sides, we want to be able to identify our students. It would be very
  possible for students (from other schools) to come on campus and get
  among our students, and we would not be able to identify them until some
  time later. But with the badge, at a glance, we can see if they are ours
  or if they are not ours."

 Privacy issues aside, it seems to me that anyone who was serious about
 getting onto the "campus" could find a way to come up with a badge. Just
 as those who are determined can find ways to get illegal weapons. There's
 really no way to lock up the henhouse...unless, of course, all the places
 where people work, study, and gather are fortified--like prisons, with
 every single person checked at the sentry gate, coming and going. And even
 then




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[CTRL] Fwd: Tagged Students Defy Big Broter

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Tagged Students Defy Big Brother
Reject being forced to wear social security numbers
By David M. Bresnahan © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
RUSTON, Louisiana -- Hundreds of students in this little town don't want to wear their Social Security numbers around their necks for all to see. Their school administrators have ignored their complaints even though their numbers are growing.
When the school year began a few weeks ago, the students at Ruston High School, like many students across the nation, were required to wear an ID badge as part of added security precautions. The badges in Ruston include each student's Social Security number, a violation of federal law according to two students.
The badges are worn on a lanyard with the Pepsi logo on it. The badge has a photo of the student, the school name, the student's name, and a barcode which represents the Social Security number. Although administrators claim the number is protected from unauthorized use through encryption in the barcode, the students know that is not true.
To prove how easy it is to read the barcodes, Jonathan Washington, 16, reads any barcode in about 15 seconds. He tells other students their Social Security number and then asks them to sign his petition to have the cards changed.
His methods are convincing. Over 350 students have signed in just the first few days. Rachel Winchel, 16, another Ruston student, is helping to spread the protest and circulate the petition.
"We just aren't taught code 39 barcode encryption in school. It's just another system that is easily learned. It's not that hard," explained Washington to WorldNetDaily. He has created an {HYPERLINK "http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bridge/1086/School/barcodes.html"}Internet web page to teach others how to read the cards.
Washington and Winchel are also concerned that a student from the school did the work to enter all the Social Security numbers into the computer that was used to make the cards. They said little or no security was used to protect the numbers from unauthorized use.
"Parents should have some concern because their children's Social Security numbers are linked directly to theirs in all financial records. If you have a child's you can get the parents'. It's a financial jeopardy to just about everyone in school," complained Washington.
He said his concern is a philosophical one, not religious. Winchel is of a different opinion.
"I have religious and moral convictions behind what they're doing as it being wrong. It's totally appalling," she said in a phone interview.
"I'm a person that's made by God and I'm not a number. I'm more special than that. I do believe that it's religiously wrong. I don't want to be branded and labeled as livestock. We're more special than that," said Winchel.
Washington is opposed to ID cards in general and does not want his Social Security number displayed for all to see, nor does he want it to be in school computers. His parents are seeking legal counsel and have not ruled out a lawsuit.
The parents of both Washington and Winchel expressed complete support for what their children are doing.
Dr. Charles Scriber is principal of the school. Although he met with Washington and his parents, he has ignored a written complaint from Winchel and her mother. He has not granted a written request for an appointment to discuss her concerns.
In an {HYPERLINK "http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990922_xex_louisiana_hi.shtml"}interview with WorldNetDaily he defended the practice and claims the cards are legal. He said he has no plans to change the cards.
Since the faculty and administration also wear the cards, students are busy taking down their Social Security numbers with plans to publish the results on the Internet if the cards are not discontinued.
"Actually, it's not difficult to look at it and know what it means," explained Winchel. "There's narrow bars and there's wide bars. Each number zero through nine has a code. By memorizing the code for the number zero through nine, you can just glance at someone's card and the numbers just pop out.
"Many kids at school can do it, and it doesn't take very long to even learn. That's why it concerned me because it's very easy to learn," she explained.
Winchel and Washington have cut the barcode from their cards. Amanda Winchel, Rachel's younger sister, changed her card. She painted over the barcode then created a new one which represents the number 911.
Winchel and Washington have now stopped wearing their cards, but they have not been disciplined for doing so. Their actions could lead to expulsion from school, but that is a risk they are willing to take to stand up for what they believe is right.
{HYPERLINK "http://www.cab.latech.edu/ruston/rhs/hand2.htm"}The Ruston High School Student Handbook detail the rules regarding the cards and spells out the possible penalties for infractions.
Washington's complaints to Dr. Scriber produced a sudden change in policy in the past few days.

[CTRL] Fwd: Identity, Privacy and Personal Freedom

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{Commentary"}Identity, Privacy and Personal Freedom © 1999 Claire Wolfe
The attack on privacy by Big Brother and his Little Brother corporations is more than mere theft. It's murder. It's the murder of individuality. Once-free people are becoming mere resources to be {HYPERLINK "http://www.privacyinternational.org/survey/"}tracked, cataloged and manipulated.
More people are waking up to the harm being done to their freedom by universal ID, surveillance and personal data- tracking. They're looking around, sleepy-eyed, and asking, "But what do I do about it?"
I've said before and I'll say again: There is no one answer. And there are no easy answers. The onslaught against privacy is such a blitzkrieg that humanity in general may be as helpless as the Poles were against Hitler 60 years ago this month.
But even if that pessimistic view is accurate (and I hope it's not) individuals can be privacy partisans -- if we're willing to make the effort and take the risks.
I have no silver bullet to offer in this fight against evil. (And beware of anyone who claims to.) You are going to need to examine a lot of options, weigh them against your own lifestyle and personality -- and run them through your own BS filter, besides (as there's a lot of nonsense out there, or a lot of techniques that may work for a short time, only to bring trouble down on you later).
But there are good techniques for those gutsy or determined enough to use them. Let me introduce you to a man who's got a lot of them.
Sheldon Charrett is a private detective -- a professional snoop. He's also "... an individual who's experienced a lifetime of injustice and finally got sick of it." He has written several books including {HYPERLINK "http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/087364946X/wolfeslodge"}The Modern Identity Changer and his newest, {HYPERLINK "http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1581600429/wolfeslodge"}Identity, Privacy, and Personal Freedom: Big Brother vs. The New Resistance. Both books are published by {HYPERLINK "http://www.paladin-press.com"}Paladin Press.
New Resistance is a 225-page compendium of privacy how- tos. Some chapters -- like those on Internet and telephone privacy -- focus on commonsense advice anyone can use (like how to make sure your browser doesn't automatically give your name to every website operator). Other chapters are more hardcore -- like the one on how to obtain real government documents with an unreal identity (easiest if you're young), and the one that contains very detailed instructions on how to make your own ID, complete with homemade faux hologram.
The book is pricey -- $40 (Ouch!) -- and no, it doesn't contain any silver bullets. But it does hold a wealth of useful info -- info that's as up-to-date as any can be in this time of mega- encroachment.
I asked Sheldon about New Resistance and privacy:
Can you give me your pocket opinion on why privacy protection is increasingly important?
Privacy has been evanescing since the dawn of the industrial age. But with the recent quantum leaps of what I'll call the computer age, privacy is now violently boiling away -- evaporating before our very eyes. It's a classic case of technology far outpacing sociology. If we don't vigilantly protect our privacy today, our children will be born into a world where privacy can only be read about in history books -- if such books will still be allowed - - and ultimately be inured to further attempts to crush the spirit of the individual.
For example, can you imagine a congressman 200 years ago proposing to the House a numbering scheme for social security purposes? He wouldn't have gotten off the floor in one piece. But today, descendants of those congressmen routinely propose ways of using the Social Security number to more efficiently control the masses. Why? Because when they were born, the number already existed. For them, the number is a fact of life to be accepted. There is no longer a question of whether we should have such a number to begin with. Rather the question is, "How do we use it?" I think this is very unfortunate.
SSN issues are becoming more difficult every day. Do you have some recommendations for ordinary working people to avoid universal numbering in their lives?
To begin, I'd recommend not working for any large outfits unless you're willing to put up a large fight to keep yourself unnumbered. Work for small businesses and ask to be paid as an independent contractor. Many small businesses will actually prefer this arrangement. Medium-sized businesses will want to give you a 1099-MISC at the end of the year, at which point you'll have to provide a {HYPERLINK "http://www.irs.gov/prod/forms_pubs/pubs/p3340101.htm"}taxpayer identification number. Just tell them it has been "applied for." If you meet resistance, use the tactics from Chapter 10, "Banking Privacy." Many of those techniques will apply here.
What are the three most important actions (or attitudes) for guarding privacy?
One: Question

[CTRL] Fwd: Total Corruption

ere cops shot and killed a frail mentally ill Margaret
Mitchell, holding nothing more than a screwdriver; a broomstick
waving Efrain Lopez; and a ballpoint pen wielding Daniel
Zarraga, felled by nine bullets. An officer from the same
Rampart precinct cost the city $250,000 when it settled a case
on the use of excessive force several years ago.
But it is not only LAPD. It is happening in Chicago where
officers have used excessive force and shooting at inappropriate
targets. In New York City the incidents keep occurring. In
Manhattan it's the case of Amadou Diallo shot to death in a hail
of 41 bullets; in the Bronx where an unarmed Kareem
McDonald, 20, was killed in another hail of nine bullets and the
officers involved were only reprimanded after an "internal
review"; and in a Brooklyn Orthodox Jewish neighborhood that
Gidone Busch with a hammer in his hand was shot by police in a
hail of 12 bullets.
In Houston a drug raid without a warrant that left Pedro Oregon
dead in a hail of 33 bullets, a grand jury indicted the two officers
who failed to get the warrant, while not addressing the officers
who killed Mr. Oregon. All six officers were fired by the
Houston Police Department after the raid. But this military attack
mindset is costing the lives of police officers as well. In Atlanta
last month a SWAT team burst into a home only to have two
officers fatally wounded by the man they were seeking. A
military mindset that leads to a tragic waste of life.
Is it any wonder that more and more Americans are eyeing
someone in a uniform with a measure of distrust? It's not the
officer we personally know or who lives next door; it's the cop
who drives up behind you with blue lights flashing, who knocks
on your door at night, or who officiously directs you onto a
detour. When you read the stories in the newspapers about the
wrong house being assaulted, an innocent person being in the
wrong place at the wrong time, an arrogant rogue cop, or the
lies and cover-ups by the FBI; it's a travesty on the concept of
innocent until proven guilty. It's very sad that we are becoming
more and more conditioned to think: there but for the grace of
God, go I.


Tanya K. Metaksa is the former executive director of the
National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action.
She is the author of "Safe, Not Sorry," a self-protection
manual, published in 1997. She has appeared on numerous
talk and interview shows such as "Crossfire," the "Today"
show, "Nightline," "This Week with David Brinkley" and
the "McNeil-Lehrer Hour," among others.


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[CTRL] Congress must investigate political audit, says senator

1999-09-19 Thread K


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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990917_xex_cong
ress_mus.shtml

On a related note, not mentioned in the article is the fact that the
Chief Medical Examiner of the State of Oklahoma has requested a
protective audit as a pre-emptive measure, as he fears he will be
targeted for an IRS "audit" because of his attempts to get at the
truth of the Kenneth Trentadu murder.  Trentadu was beaten to
death in his cell at the Federal transfer center in OKC. He had
bruises over every inch of his body, the cell was spattered with
blood, but the DOJ maintains he committed suicide.  As usual
when dealing with this bunch of thugs, key evidence has turned up
inexplicably missing.

Kathleen




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[CTRL] FBI caught in FIB

1999-09-19 Thread K


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http://www.ar-chronicle.com/

This is a must read

Kathleen


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[CTRL] (Fwd) New World Order Crisis Factory Retools, Stirs Up Troubl

1999-09-18 Thread K

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--- Forwarded message follows ---
Date sent:  Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:17:10 -0700
To: TiM GW Bulletins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:   Bob Djurdjevic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:"New World Order Crisis Factory Retools, Stirs Up Trouble in
Russia, Asia" - TiM GW Bulletin 99/9-4 (Sept. 17, 1999)

FROM MOSCOW, RUSSIA

Violence Flares Up in Russia, Indonesia

NEW WORLD ORDER CRISIS FACTORY RETOOLS, STIRS UP
TROUBLE IN RUSSIA,
ASIA

MOSCOW, Sept. 17 - Greetings from Moscow!  Wish it were a
postcard.  Instead, it could be an e-mail echo of a bomb exploding
somewhere in the Russian capital, as the New World Order's
Islamic
proxies from the Caucasus unleash a reign of terror against the
innocent Russian civilians.  And whoever else happens to be in the
apartment building when the bomb goes off, of course.

On our way today from the Sheremetyevo airport into the center of
the
city, several Moscow police vehicles could be seen pulling suspects
over and searching the trunks of their cars.  Which brought back
memories of Paris and London in the 1970s, when the Arab and
the IRA
terrorists used to blow up trains and buildings.  And of Germany
and
Italy at about the same time, when the "Red Brigades" and other
"red"
factions killed innocent people for a lost cause.

But the color of terror is green these days.  The Islamic green.
Both
in Russia and in Indonesia, as it is now in Kosovo during NATO's
"peace farce."  Different countries, different bombs and bullets;
similar hatreds stirred up by the NWO Crisis Factory.  One
constant
the world-over is the color of innocent blood.  Which is flowing in
increased volume as the deadliest century in human history draws
to a
close.

Meanwhile, Indonesian protesters launched a wave of sometimes
rowdy
demonstrations on Sept. 16 as news broke that a multi-national
peacekeeping force of about 8,000 troops would soon be landing in
East
Timor.  Australians will lead this NWO expedition. volunteering
about
4,500 candidates for body bags in the cause of global imperialism.

Bill Clinton announced that about 200 US troops would be ready to
move
in 48 hours to support the international peacekeeping mission in
East
Timor.  Although no aircraft will fly into East Timor, and the role of
ground troops will be limited, US forces will help provide
"communications and logistical aid, intelligence, airlifts of
personnel and material and coordination of the humanitarian
response
to the tragedy," Clinton said, according to the Associated Press.

The American troops will be drawn from regional military
installations, including Japan, Hawaii, and Guam.  Half will be
stationed in Darwin, Australia, and half will be placed in East Timor.
Nations already committed to sending troops include Australia,
Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, and Portugal.

Reaction in Indonesia to the news of the U.N. intervention was swift
and negative.  Crowds gathered outside the Australian and British
embassies in Jakarta, but were held in check by police. "There is a
genuine feeling among elements of Indonesian society that the
country
is being treated unfairly by the outside world," the London Telegraph
reported on Sept. 16.

There is particular resentment at the moralizing human rights
lectures
being delivered by Portugal, the former colonizer of East Timor,
which
abandoned the place abruptly in 1974 having ruthlessly exploited its
population for four centuries, the Telegraph notes. There is also
anger at the similarly lofty tone adopted by Australia, which
approved
the Indonesian army's invasion of the territory in 1975 and
recognized
its annexation as a province.

The East Timorese question appears to occupy the same place in
Indonesia as Northern Ireland does in Britain, or Kosovo does in
Serbia - a hope beyond hope that the problem would somehow go
away.

Analysts say this is what drove President B. J. Habibie to make his
startling offer, first of autonomy, then of independence to the
800,000 inhabitants. An observer said: "The idea was to get rid of it
once and for all." But that attitude failed to take account of the
peculiar place that the scrap of land, inconsequential in the context
of the vast 13,677 island archipelago, holds, especially for the
military.

Relations between Australia and Indonesia hit a new low as Jakarta
cancelled on Sept. 16 a four-year-old security agreement between
the
two countries over the East Timor crisis.

The decision coincided with a wave of anti-Australian sentiment
which
was sweeping through Indonesia as the Australian-led
peacekeeping
force prepared to enter the province to restore peace. Intimidating
telephone calls, including bomb threats, have been received by the
Australian embassy in Jakarta, the consulate in Bali and a number
of
businesses, some of whom have begun withdrawing staff from
Indonesia
as a precaution.

Diplomatic ties between Australia and Indonesia were dealt a further
blow

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

1999-09-14 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Bob,
Will WE glow in the dark if we eat them?  Will we only glow if we need
water?  Can us use our glow for a night light or reading in bed?  I think
this poses more questions than it answers.
Amelia

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1


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 Wow. We have green fluorescent monkeys, and now fluorescent
potatoes...will
 the fluorescing carry over to the tuber? Will we be able to feed our
 fluorescent monkeys fluorescent potatoes? How about glow-in-the-dark
french
 fries? luminescent potato chips? The possibilities are endless...

 # Fluorescent GM potatoes say 'water me'. (BBC) A potato
 genetically-modif-
   ied with jellyfish genes which glows when it needs watering is created
by
   Edinburgh scientists. The team believes the genetically-modified (GM)
   plant will prevent overwatering at time when the world's water resources
   are being more  more heavily used. And they're easy to pick in the
dark.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/sheffield_99/newsid_44600
 0/446837.stm

 : Would you like to be gene-engineered so that you glow when you need
food,
 water, sleep, sex, drugs, punishment? Should we be color-coded? Is you
 blue?
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[CTRL] (Fwd) Fw: A Press Release to Enjoy

1999-09-14 Thread K


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Forwarded from a correspondent in Oregon

Kathleen

--- Forwarded message follows ---

I'm on a private, local e-mail list with Jayne, and she's a riot! And
IMNSHO, she has a great radio show, also. This is forwarded with
her
permission.

Regards,


KUIK RADIO (1360 AM)


P R E S S  R E L E A S E

For Immediate Release: September 13, 1999

FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
Jayne Carroll at (503) 284-1956, fax:  (503) 281-2294, e-mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Or James Derby at (503) 640-1360, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Northwest Talk Radio Audience Picks Names for Clintons' New
York
Residence

"DISGRACELAND" should be the official name for Bill  Hillary
Clinton's new York abode, according to the creative audience of The
Jayne Carroll Show

(1360 KUIK), a political talk radio program which airs daily in the
Portland, Oregon metropolitan area.

On Friday, September 10th, Carroll asked her audience to come up
with
an

official name  for the Clinton $1.7 million house in Chappaqua, New
York. Carroll's call-in contest required the names to be in relative
good taste, originaland should capture the essence of one or
both of
the Clintons. The response was overwhelming!

Other names nominated for the Clinton's new home included:
"Perjurers' Palace", "HillBilly Villa", "The House of Bill's Repute",
"Drawers Downs", "Cheatem Estates". "Castle of Contempt", "Sin
Simeon", "The House That Terrybought", "The Knee Pad", "The
White
Trash House", "The Blight House", and "The Panderosa".


"Liars' Lair' was a frequent nominee both on and off the air,"
according to talk host Carroll.  "One of my favorite names was "Bill

Hill's Bribe 

Breakfast."

Other of the over 100 caller nominated names were:  "The Clinton
Compost",
"Dogpatch on the Hudson", "Rancho Immoral", "Deceitful Domicile",
"Monica's Man's Manor", "The Hen House", "The Out House", "The
Big
House", "The Love Shack",  "Lucifer's Lair", "House of the Rising
Son", "The House of Seven Felonies", "Cottage of Contempt", and
"Motel
Sex".

TheJayne Carroll Show airs Monday-Friday from 3:00 to 6:00
p.m.
(Pacific Time) on 1360 AM (KUIK) in the Portland, Oregon
Metropolitan
area.

-0-







--- End of forwarded message ---


Kathleen


"The president has said he will pay the fine, and his lawyers have said that he will 
pay the fine. ...  The president has said that he will pay the fine that she's 
imposed, and I don't have anything to add to that. ... Well, he's going to pay the 
fine." --White House chief of staff John Podesta, when asked repeatedly by NBC's Tim 
Russert, "In this era of accepting responsibility...does the president accept the 
judge's decision that he lied under oath?"

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Fwd: TERMINATOR ALERT

1999-09-12 Thread K

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 Begin Forwarded Message 
Date:9/11/99 7:00 AM
Received:9/11/99 3:23 PM
From:Natl. Campaign for Sustainable Agriculture,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (by way of Debbie  Ortman [EMAIL PROTECTED])

PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE TO YOUR NETWORKS

 URGENT ACTION NEEDED

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE IS AT IT  AGAIN!!
AGENCY CONTINUES TO FUND TERMINATOR TECHNOLOGY

TELL USDA TO STOP ITS ONGOING SUPPORT OF NEW RESEARCH ON
TERMINATOR/TRAITOR TECHNOLOGIES.
USE PUBLIC DOLLARS FOR PUBLIC SECTOR RESEARCH

Despite widespread opposition to USDA's involvement with Terminator
technology, the agency continues to use taxpayer dollars to support
genetic seed sterilization.  Controversy over the Terminator
technology has generated an avalanche of public opposition. USDA is
blatantly ignoring the public outcry. A new patent reveals that USDA
funding supports additional Terminator research at Purdue University
(Indiana).

WRITE, PHONE, OR FAX  SECRETARY DAN GLICKMAN
USDA, 200A Whitten Bldg., 1400 Independence Ave., SW. Washington, DC
20250 Phone: 202-720-3631; Fax: 202-720-2166

Tell him to stop using USDA=92s scarce public research dollars to
pursue a dangerous, antifarmer technology that threatens
biodiversity.  Tell him that USDA must:

**  Abandon all research on genetic seed sterilization.
**  Develop a policy prohibiting the use of public research dollars
on Terminator technologies **  Use public research dollars to support
plant breeding for sustainable agriculture

Terminator is a controversial technology that has generated
worldwide protest and debate because it renders farm saved seed
sterile forcing farmers to return to the commercial seed market every
year.   If commercialized, it will threaten global food security and
endanger biodiversity. The original Terminator patent is jointly
owned by the US Department of Agriculture and a Monsanto subsidiary,
Delta  Pine Land Co.

The notorious Terminator patent is just the tip of the
iceberg.
There are dozens of new patents describing a wide range of techniques
that can be used for the genetic sterilization of plants and seeds.
Every major seed and agrochemical enterprise is developing its own
version of suicide seeds.  These technologies are extremely dangerous
because they will erode farmer control and decision making in
agriculture and increase dependence on a handful of giant
agrochemical corporations. Over 1.4 billion people, primarily poor
farmers in Africa, Asia, and Latin America depend on farmsaved seed
as their primary seed source. If they can't save seed, they can't
continue to adapt crops to their unique farming environment.  The new
generation of patents goes beyond the genetic neutering of crops.
The patents reveal that multinational agrochemical and seed
corporations are developing suicide seeds whose genetic traits can be
turned on and off by an external chemical inducer triggered by the
company's patented agrochemicals. In the notsodistant future, we may
see farmers planting seeds that will develop into productive crops
only if sprayed with a carefully prescribed regimen that includes the
company's proprietary pesticide, fertilizer, or herbicide -- the
TRAITOR technologies.

With  Traitor technologies,  farmers will be forced to
surrender
control of their seed supply and the Gene Giants will ultimately
dictate what the farmer grows, how to grow it, and where to sell it.
Seed sterility is not about insuring quality of productivity, it's a
power grab pure and simple, and tax dollars should not go to support
the development of these technologies.

For detailed analyses of Terminator and Traitor technologies, see
websites: http://www.rafi.org/www.rafi.org 
http://www.ucsusa.org/www.ucsusa.org

-
-=
-
--
Sample letter to protest the Terminator Technology:

Please copy this letter to your representatives in Congress.

Secretary Dan Glickman
USDA
200-A Whitten Bldg.
1400 Independence Ave., SW
Washington, DC 20250
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fax: (202) 720-3631

Dear Secretary Glickman:

I oppose the use of taxpayer money to develop Terminator technology
a genetic technology that renders farm-saved seed sterile. I urgently
call on USDA to adopt a policy that will prevent the use of public
funds (either through grants or in-house research) to support genetic
seed sterilization.

I am writing to ask that the USDA immediately cease negotiations to
license the Terminator technology to a Monsanto subsidiary (Delta and
Pine Land Co.).  I urge the USDA to abandon its worldwide patent
applications on this immoral and dangerous technology.

The Terminator technology is a dead-end for farmers and a threat to
food security worldwide. I respectfully urge you to stop funding
Terminator technology and cease negotiations for its commercial

[CTRL] Face of the Future?

1999-09-12 Thread K


 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.scmp.com/News/China/Article/FullText_asp_ArticleID-
19990910030020293.asp

Friday, September 10, 1999

Christians face 'harsh prison terms'
STAFF REPORTER in Beijing and AGENCIES

Thirty-one underground Christians detained in Henan province last
month will soon be tried and handed harsh sentences, a church
leader said yesterday.
David Zhang, who runs the unofficial China Fangcheng Church in
the province, told an American-based human rights group that the
home church leaders would receive "heavy, long-term" sentences.
"The Government already sees home churches as an evil religion
and they will take advantage of the repression of the Falun Gong
sect to root out our churches," he told Human Rights in China.
The 31 church leaders were taken away by police late last month
while attending an evangelical meeting in a house west of Tanghe
in the southwest region of Henan.
Mr Zhang's home was later raided by police who said the minister
was under investigation for "harming state security".
"The main leaders including Zhang Rongliang, Feng Jianguo, Wang
Xincai and Zheng Shuqian will be tried at the Fangcheng County
court," Mr Zhang told the rights group.
"Sources have told me that Zhang Rongliang may be sentenced to
more than 10 years."
But an official at the Tanghe County Public Security Bureau said
yesterday that most of the detained members had been released
after receiving "re-education".
"The people remaining in custody have not yet been tried and are
still under investigation for activities in relation to evil religions," he
said, but refused to give the number still detained.
The rights group said it was alarming that the authorities seemed
to have abandoned all legal procedures in handling the Christians.
The speed in which they were to be sentenced indicated the
authorities were determined to uproot the underground church in
Henan - a traditional stronghold for Christians.
Coincidentally, five Falun Gong members have been detained by
Beijing police for attending a gathering in defiance of the ban on the
sect.
According to the Beijing Morning Post, 19 people recently showed
up for a meeting on the lawn behind the Beijing Exhibition Hall.
It was held at the behest of Jiang Shilong, a member of Hainan
province's Falun Gong branch.
Mr Jiang sought the help of Jilin province member Li Hongbing, who
introduced him to Zhu Shuyuan, director of a local Beijing branch of
Falun Gong.
Together they organised the event, which discussed the situation in
Hainan and Beijing.
Police arrived and seized everyone.
Members who are not Beijing residents have been sent back to
their towns.




Kathleen


"The homicidal state shares one trait with the solitary killer--like all murderers, it 
trips on its own egoism and drops a trai
l of clues which, when properly collected, preserved, and analyzed are as damning as a 
signed confession left in the grave." -
Forensic Anthropologist Clyde Snow

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[CTRL] U.S. Studies Religious Persecution

1999-09-12 Thread K


 -Caveat Lector-

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990909/pl/us_religious_persecut
ion_2.html

Politics Headlines
Thursday September 9 5:25 PM ET
U.S. Studies Religious Persecution
By GEORGE GEDDA Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - A State Department report Thursday pointed
to evidence of widespread religious persecution in Iraq, Iran and
Afghanistan, all under varying degrees of authoritarian rule, and to
discrimination in some democratic countries as well, including
Israel and India.
The report, covering 194 countries and territories, is the first of what
will become an annual assessment of the state of religious freedom
around the world. The most serious violators could eventually face
economic sanctions.
The study stressed that religious persecution is not confined to a
particular faith. ``Throughout the world, Buddhists, Christians,
Hindus, Jews, Muslims and other believers continue to suffer for
their faith,'' it said.
While the report did not rank the countries based on the degree to
which they limit freedom, the excesses attributed to the Iraqi
government stood out.
Iraqi leader ``Saddam Hussein has for decades conducted a brutal
campaign of murder, summary execution and protracted arbitrary
detention against the religious leaders and adherents of the Shiite
Muslim population,'' the report said.
It said Iraqi security forces ``have murdered senior Shiite clerics,
desecrated mosques and holy sites, arrested tens of thousands of
Shiites and forcibly prevented Shiites from practicing their religion.''
Shiites in Afghanistan also suffered persecution and killing at the
hands of the Taliban-led government in Kabul. Afghan police
impose ``severe physical punishment and imprisonment'' for
deviations from codes of worship and dress,'' the report said.
It said Iran is intent on eradicating the Baha'is through prolonged
detention and imprisonment, confiscation and desecration of
graveyards and holy places. It added that other religious minorities
in Iran also suffer.
In general, the report made clear that democratic countries are far
more tolerant of religious diversity than are countries run by
totalitarian or authoritarian regimes. The report credits India, for
example, for respecting constitutional provisions guaranteeing
freedom of religion.
But it said, tensions between Muslims and Hindus in India, and to
a lesser extent between Hindus and Christians, ``continue to pose
a challenge to the concepts of secularism, tolerance and diversity
on which the state was founded.'' It added that state and local
governments only partially respect religious freedom. The report
also said there have been numerous reports of human rights
abuses carried out by the mostly Hindu security forces against the
predominantly Muslim population in the region of Kashmir
controlled by India.
As for India's rival, Pakistan, the report said discriminatory
legislation has encouraged an atmosphere of ``religious
intolerance, which has led to acts of violence by extremists against
members of religious minorities, including Christians, Hindus,
Ahmadis and Zikris.''
In democratic Israel, the report said the country's 20 percent Arab
population does not receive the same quality of education, housing,
employment opportunities and social services as Jews. In addition,
it said, ``government spending and financial support are
proportionally far lower in predominantly non-Jewish areas.''
On China, the report said Chinese citizens can face harassment or
prolonged detention in labor camps if they practice religion outside
officially sponsored churches.
The study also cited credible reports of abuse against Buddhist
monks and nuns in China, including Tibet.
In Beijing, a Chinese spokesman rejected the allegations as
malicious interference.
``Nobody has been arrested or detained because of religious
beliefs,'' Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi said. ``If religious
believers are arrested, it is not because of their religious beliefs but
because they have taken part in criminal activities.''
President Clinton is expected to meet this weekend with Chinese
President Jiang Zemin at the Asia-Pacific summit in Auckland,
New Zealand.

 Comment:  Now, don't you feel all better because Clinton is
looking out for your rights?



Kathleen


"The homicidal state shares one trait with the solitary killer--like all murderers, it 
trips on its own egoism and drops a trai
l of clues which, when properly collected, preserved, and analyzed are as damning as a 
signed confession left in the grave." -
Forensic Anthropologist Clyde Snow

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gives no

Re: [CTRL] Reno: Courageous Cluelessness?

1999-09-12 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


 -Caveat Lector-

Prudy,
At least the Republican crooks are charged with something and sometimes even
prosecuted.  G Gordon Liddy went to jail; Nixon resigned.  I compare
Watergate to Chinagate and cannot help but wonder what a Democrat has to be
to even be charged with anything.  I would put Watergate about on level with
Travelgate and the 1000+ FBI files that just "appeared" in the White House
with no one responsible. I realize Chinagate had been going on for some time
but these are the ones that cashed in on it and absolutely nothing happens
to them.  I suppose it does not really matter as they are all on the same
team anyway.  As you say, they are all welcomed as good, patriotic Americans
no matter what they do. Guess the "investigations" are to quell the masses
outrage and have no teeth in the end anyway.

I saw a recent news article concerning a listening device installed in the
home of a couple with a missing baby.  Yet, Mz Reno refused to order one for
an issue concerning national security.  Now that's figures!  It just seems
ridiculous for Nixon to resign and Clinton not to even apologize.  He did
have to return some of the money, I believe, at least some that he was
caught with "red-handed" (no pun intended).
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reno: Courageous Cluelessness?


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 09/11/1999 7:10:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   PicturePicture: To appreciate the hugeness of Reno's
accomplishment,
 hearken
   back to the Reagan Justice Department. Meese was under investigation.
DOJ
   inquiries into other Reagan officials were suspect. The department was
   mistrusted, a national disgrace. 

 Now how can they say this.  Everywhere Meese goes, he is treated
beautifully.
  He appears on all the Sunday shows from time to time, and they all act as
 though he was not a crook who had to be pardoned.  In fact they act that
way
 to all the other creeps who were in the Reagan and Bush cabinets,
especially
 the ones who had to be pardoned.  It's a simple lesson they're trying to
 teach:  Democrat crooks - BAD; Republican crooks - GOOD.   Okay?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] PBS PREZ RESIGNS

1999-09-12 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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I will agree that PBS viewers are probably more liberal but definitely NOT
more intelligent!  Funding does not for intelligence make--see Public
Schools.  I have seen some very poorly "documented" documentaries, etc. on
PBS.  Guess this, too, is in the eye of the beholder.
AKE

- Original Message -
From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] PBS PREZ RESIGNS


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 09/11/1999 10:00:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The BOSTON GLOBE is reporting on Friday that an inspector
  general's report looking into the Public Broadcasting System's
  donor list controversy has concluded that only one party benefitted
  from the list giveaway -- the Democratic Party.
  The report, released Thursday, concluded that out of 183 public TV
  and 408 public radio stations, 53 of them, or 9%, made their lists
  available to political groups. 

 This is so funny.  Why hasn't it occurred to anyone that PBS like any
other
 outfit that sells its donor lists can only sell to someone who offers to
buy
 it.  Most people who watch and donate to PBS are rather intelligent
 (therefore liberal?).  If they are Democrats, so be it.  The Republican
Party
 obviously didn't offer to buy the list and probably wouldn't have wasted
 postage money sending it out.  What a crock this all is.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] U.S. Studies Religious Persecution

1999-09-12 Thread Amelia K Edgeman

 -Caveat Lector-

Is Texas included in their study?
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:25 AM
Subject: [CTRL] U.S. Studies Religious Persecution

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990909/pl/us_religious_persecut
 ion_2.html

 Politics Headlines
 Thursday September 9 5:25 PM ET
 U.S. Studies Religious Persecution
 By GEORGE GEDDA Associated Press Writer
 WASHINGTON (AP) - A State Department report Thursday pointed
 to evidence of widespread religious persecution in Iraq, Iran and
 Afghanistan, all under varying degrees of authoritarian rule, and to
 discrimination in some democratic countries as well, including
 Israel and India.
 The report, covering 194 countries and territories, is the first of what
 will become an annual assessment of the state of religious freedom
 around the world. The most serious violators could eventually face
 economic sanctions.
 The study stressed that religious persecution is not confined to a
 particular faith. ``Throughout the world, Buddhists, Christians,
 Hindus, Jews, Muslims and other believers continue to suffer for
 their faith,'' it said.
 While the report did not rank the countries based on the degree to
 which they limit freedom, the excesses attributed to the Iraqi
 government stood out.
 Iraqi leader ``Saddam Hussein has for decades conducted a brutal
 campaign of murder, summary execution and protracted arbitrary
 detention against the religious leaders and adherents of the Shiite
 Muslim population,'' the report said.
 It said Iraqi security forces ``have murdered senior Shiite clerics,
 desecrated mosques and holy sites, arrested tens of thousands of
 Shiites and forcibly prevented Shiites from practicing their religion.''
 Shiites in Afghanistan also suffered persecution and killing at the
 hands of the Taliban-led government in Kabul. Afghan police
 impose ``severe physical punishment and imprisonment'' for
 deviations from codes of worship and dress,'' the report said.
 It said Iran is intent on eradicating the Baha'is through prolonged
 detention and imprisonment, confiscation and desecration of
 graveyards and holy places. It added that other religious minorities
 in Iran also suffer.
 In general, the report made clear that democratic countries are far
 more tolerant of religious diversity than are countries run by
 totalitarian or authoritarian regimes. The report credits India, for
 example, for respecting constitutional provisions guaranteeing
 freedom of religion.
 But it said, tensions between Muslims and Hindus in India, and to
 a lesser extent between Hindus and Christians, ``continue to pose
 a challenge to the concepts of secularism, tolerance and diversity
 on which the state was founded.'' It added that state and local
 governments only partially respect religious freedom. The report
 also said there have been numerous reports of human rights
 abuses carried out by the mostly Hindu security forces against the
 predominantly Muslim population in the region of Kashmir
 controlled by India.
 As for India's rival, Pakistan, the report said discriminatory
 legislation has encouraged an atmosphere of ``religious
 intolerance, which has led to acts of violence by extremists against
 members of religious minorities, including Christians, Hindus,
 Ahmadis and Zikris.''
 In democratic Israel, the report said the country's 20 percent Arab
 population does not receive the same quality of education, housing,
 employment opportunities and social services as Jews. In addition,
 it said, ``government spending and financial support are
 proportionally far lower in predominantly non-Jewish areas.''
 On China, the report said Chinese citizens can face harassment or
 prolonged detention in labor camps if they practice religion outside
 officially sponsored churches.
 The study also cited credible reports of abuse against Buddhist
 monks and nuns in China, including Tibet.
 In Beijing, a Chinese spokesman rejected the allegations as
 malicious interference.
 ``Nobody has been arrested or detained because of religious
 beliefs,'' Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi said. ``If religious
 believers are arrested, it is not because of their religious beliefs but
 because they have taken part in criminal activities.''
 President Clinton is expected to meet this weekend with Chinese
 President Jiang Zemin at the Asia-Pacific summit in Auckland,
 New Zealand.

  Comment:  Now, don't you feel all better because Clinton is
 looking out for your rights?

 Kathleen

 "The homicidal state shares one trait with the solitary killer--like all
murderers, it trips on its own egoism and drops a trai
 l of clues which, when properly collected, preserved, and analyzed are as
damning as a signed confession left in the grave." -
 Forensic Anthropologist Clyde Snow

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 ==
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p

Re: [CTRL] Federal Drug Agent, Drunk, Murders Partner

1999-09-11 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


 -Caveat Lector-

Right, Prudy,
And isn't alcohol a drug, too?  Well, it is one of the acceptable ones.
After all, it is legal so that makes it OK and he should be given a break
(NOT!).  I wonder if his dead partner would think so.
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Federal Drug Agent, Drunk, Murders Partner


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 In a message dated 09/11/1999 4:43:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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  Richard A. Fekete could face up to 14 years in prison, but his attorneys
hope
  the judge will be lenient based on conclusions by doctors that Fekete is
an
  alcoholic plagued by psychotic delusions.

  Fekete, 55, has said he doesn't recall leaving a party at the Dade County
  Police Benevolent Association hall with fellow agent Shaun E. Curl, or
the
  car crash after the shooting in Miramar. 

 Now that's what we want enforcing our laws.  Don't hire the smart ones,
but
 if you find any alcoholics with psychotic delusions, that's what we like.

 Prudy

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: anti-drug TV ads

1999-09-11 Thread K


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NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
Washington DC 20037
World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/
===
For release: September 10, 1999
===
For additional information:
George Getz, Press Secretary
Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Study: Government's anti-drug commercials
make teenagers more curious about drugs

WASHINGTON, DC -- A new study has discovered that
teenagers
who
watch anti-drug TV commercials become more "curious" about
illegal
drugs. So why, the Libertarian Party asked today, are taxpayers
being
forced to pay for those ads?

"According to this study, the government is spending $195
million a year of our money to tantalize teenagers about illegal
drugs," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "Shouldn't
Americans have a choice about whether we want to fund what is
essentially a 'Just Do It' advertising campaign for drugs?"

In a study released earlier this year, two researchers found
that teenagers who viewed anti-drug Public Service Announcements
(PSAs) "were more curious about using illicit drugs" than
participants
who didn't see the PSAs.

According to the authors of the study, assistant professor S.
Shyam Sundar at Penn State University and doctoral student
Carson
Wagner at the University of Colorado (Boulder), students exposed
to
anti-drug PSAs desired more "experimental knowledge" about
drugs, not
just "knowledge about drug-related facts."

And the study found the "mere mention" of illegal drugs in
PSAs
created an "everybody's doing it" effect in teenagers -- and caused
them to "increase estimations" of the prevalence of drug use among
their peers.

These findings come at a crucial time, since the federal
government has sharply increased the amount of money it spends
on
anti-drug commercials. Currently, the White House Office of
National
Drug Control Policy and the Partnership for a Drug-Free America
spend
about $195 million of taxpayers' money to broadcast anti-drug
PSAs.

Wouldn't it be tragic then, asked Dasbach, if that $195
million
is making America's drug problem worse?

"According to this study, the government is effectively acting
as a tax-funded advertising agency for drug pushers," he said. "And,
unfortunately, there's nothing you can do about it. If a private
anti-drug organization was running these ads, you could threaten to
withhold your contributions. With the government, you don't have
that
option -- even if politicians use your money to glamorize drugs to
teenagers."

But if government anti-drug television ads don't work, what
does?

Parents, said Dasbach. According to another recent study,
children who are warned about the potential dangers of drugs by
their
parents are 36% less likely to use marijuana than children whose
parents don't discuss the issue, and 56% less likely to use
cocaine.

"One concerned parent is more effective than $195 million in
government-funded advertising," noted Dasbach. "Given that
information, what is the real solution to the problem of drugs -- the
government or parents?"

Interestingly, even the government has figured out the answer
to that question, he said. A new government-funded newspaper
advertisement states: "The most effective deterrent to drug use
among
kids isn't the police, or prison, or politicians. [It] is their
parents."

That's an astonishing revelation from the government, said
Dasbach.

"Let's see: The government admits police and prison are not
an
effective deterrent. Does that mean politicians will promise to stop
arresting 700,000 people a year for marijuana crimes? And the
government admits politicians are not an effective deterrent. Does
that mean we'll get back the $195 million they wasted on anti-drug
advertisements?" he asked.

If not, it proves one thing, said Dasbach: "Not even the
government pays attention to its anti-drug ads. So why should we
expect teenagers to do so?"


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Kathleen


"By definition, a government has no conscience. Sometimes it has a policy, but nothing 
more." -- Albert Camus

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[CTRL] FW: More spies to be named

1999-09-11 Thread K


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http://www.independent.co.uk/sindy/stories/A1209901.html

More spies to be named

By PAUL LASHMAR, YVONNE RIDLEY AND RACHEL
SYLVESTER
Up to 12 more Britons recruited into the KGB will be unmasked
later this week. Some are understood to be still alive and living in
the UK.
Last night, Professor Christopher Andrew of Cambridge University,
the secret service historian who identified the 87-year-old great-
grandmother Melita Norwood as a Soviet agent, said: "One of those
named will be a prominent public figure who is now dead."
The disclosures will increase pressure on the Government, which is
facing intense criticism for not prosecuting Mrs Norwood, who was
unmasked yesterday as a Soviet spy of 40 years' standing and the
KGB's most important catch. Jack Straw, the Home Secretary,
yesterday asked the director general of MI5, Stephen Lander, to
prepare a full report on the case. The Home Office insisted he had
not been involved in the decision not to prosecute.
Earlier this year, John Morris, then Attorney General, had been
made aware of Mrs Norwood's identity, but decided that "it was by
then too late to undertake a prosecution".
At a press conference outside her home yesterday, Mrs Norwood
said: "I did what I did not to make money but to help prevent the
defeat of a new system which had, at great cost, given ordinary
people food and fares they could afford, a good education and a
health service." Asked if she regretted her actions, she said: "No,
no, no."
The identity of Mrs Norwood and the other spies is contained in a huge archive of 
files brought out of Russia by a defector, Vasili Mitrokhin, in 1992. He smuggled out 
six trunks of files from the KGB's most secret archiv
e.
According to Professor Andrew, the files identify KGB agents and operations in 
virtually every country outside the Communist bloc.
Tom King, the former Tory Secretary of State for Defence, and now chairman of the 
Parliamentary Security and Intelligence Committee, said the unmasking of Mrs Norwood 
was part of "the most complete and extensive intellige
nce ever received from any source". He said that there would be further revelations in 
the coming days.
A British intelligence officer agreed yesterday that further major KGB spies would be 
revealed. ''There could be up to 12 more names to come out. You have to spend weeks, 
sometimes months, painstakingly going through file
 after file checking codenames and places then trying to match them with the names of 
real people who are either still living or existed."
Some of the files deal with KGB agents in Britain who were active right up to the end 
of the Cold War. Mrs Norwood, codenamed "Hola", is herself believed to have helped to 
recruit agents for the KGB. In 1967 she allegedly
 helped the agency recruit a civil servant who was codenamed
"Hunt". Through the 1970s he was a paid agent and provided
information on British arms and arms deals.
The imminent publication of the Mitrokhin archive has sent
shockwaves through Whitehall, with departments rushing to wash
their hands of the matter. Questions will now be asked about how
much ministers knew, and whether the director general of the
security services decided not to inform them of the contents of the
archive.
Mr King said his committee would conduct a thorough investigation
into the documents, and also into the handling of the case by both
Conservative and Labour administrations. "Questions need to be
asked about who knew what and why there were no prosecutions,"
he said.
Michael Howard, Mr Straw's Conservative predecessor, said he had
"no knowledge" of the case. Kenneth Clarke, Home Secretary from
1992 to 1993, and Kenneth Baker (1990-92) will also be quizzed.


Kathleen


"Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy." 
-- Franz Kafka

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[CTRL] PBS PREZ RESIGNS

1999-09-11 Thread K


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 DRUDGE REPORT X THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 09,
1999 21:28:31 ET X
REPORT: PBS LISTS HELPED DEMS; PBS PREZ RESIGNS
The BOSTON GLOBE is reporting on Friday that an inspector
general's report looking into the Public Broadcasting System's
donor list controversy has concluded that only one party benefitted
from the list giveaway -- the Democratic Party.
The report, released Thursday, concluded that out of 183 public TV
and 408 public radio stations, 53 of them, or 9%, made their lists
available to political groups.
The list of stations that shared is impressive.
The release of the report coincided with the resignation of PBS
president Ervin S. Duggan, who will step down on October 31 --
most believe as a result of the scandal, however, PBS officials
deny it.
In July as the scandal heated up, Republicans threatened to end a
congressional debate over a $525 million PBS funding increase
because the coveted lists were reported to have fallen into
predominantly Democratic hands. Democrats spun that Republican
groups, too, were getting the lists: This was a bipartisan scandal!
According to the GLOBE'S Anne Kornblut: "Some stations did
share their donors' names with groups that sounded like
Republican organizations... But the investigator found the vast
majority of those groups were not connected to the Republican
Party."
Developing...


Kathleen


"Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy." 
-- Franz Kafka

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Re: [CTRL] Strong cryptography bill in house.

1999-09-10 Thread K


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Looks like a pearl in a dung heap


http://www.computerprivacy.org/bills/


"Mary had a crypto key,
she kept it in escrow,
and everything that Mary said,
the Feds were sure to know."
-- Sam Simpson, July 9, 1998


"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with
either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling.
If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly
be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man
any more than a dog." - G. K. Chesterton, Broadcast talk 6-11-35

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor

1999-09-10 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Bill,
If you are addressing that to me, my husband is deceased. I doubt that
lightening up would benefit him.  Regardless of who is to blame, it is not
funny nor on par with "mocking" Chelsea.  I have never done that nor do I
listen to Rush Limbaugh.  You seem fraught with stereotypes and clichés. You
may not be as astute at reading character nor personality through e mail as
you think you are.
Amelia

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Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor


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 H, I repeated some jokes...I didn't say that incinerating living
children
 was funny, and it's not! Koresh and the loon parents might have done the
 burning though.
 Let us wait until ALL the evidence is in, eh???
 Otherwise, do your husband a favor...and lighten up!

 Bill.

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[CTRL] CBC Retracts War Story: One Albanian Lie Debunked, Thousands to Go

1999-09-10 Thread K


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 CBC Retracts War Story: One Albanian Lie Debunked, Thousands
to Go

TORONTO, Sept. 8 - Right from the start of NATO's war on Serbia,
we've
labeled the various dubious and spurious claims and stories by the
NWO
media as the "Wag the Dog" productions created in the Lie and
Deny Studios
(see "Beware of 'Wag the Dog' Kosovo 'Atrocities' Charges" - S99-
10, Day
5,
Update 1, Item 3, Mar. 28).

The particular cause of the above commentary was the CNN's
"Adona"
broadcast - "a bogus e-mail exchange between an Albanian girl
and a
student
at Berkeley," as we put it on Mar. 28.  It resembled the similarly
fraudulent "Zlata's Diary" manufactured by the NWO "Wag the
Dog"
productions during the Bosnian war. Neither lie was ever retracted
by CNN
or any other network which broadcast it.

Well, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) was the first
major
network to admit publicly on Sept. 8  that it had been duped by
another
Kosovo Albanian lie about a Serb atrocity aired during NATO's war
on
Serbia.

"CBC correspondent Nancy Durham made a name for herself by
venturing deep
into Kosovo as a one-woman news team and bringing back moving
stories
about
both the dead and the living," wrote the Toronto-based Globe and
Mail in
its Television reviews section on Sept. 8. "Now it  turns out that
one of
her most touching reports -- about an 18-year-old girl who vowed to
avenge
her sister's death at Serb hands -- is based on a lie. The sister, as
Durham discovered when she made a postwar visit to the girl's
home, was
alive and well."

"Trust and confidence are fundamental to the mission of CBC
News," the
Globe said, "and when The National (main CBC nightly news
program) has
been
used to advance the Kosovo Liberation Army's cause so
successfully, the
network's entire credibility is at stake. That's why CBC is pulling out
all
the stops today to admit what went wrong and explain how it
happened."

At the center of the public broadcaster's mea culpa is Durham's
latest
report from Kosovo, titled 'The Truth About Rajmonda: A KLA Soldier Lies
for the Cause.' Just to make sure that the point gets across, this
"intimate and revealing story" aired three times"

"Truth may be a casualty of war, but cynicism is a great survivor," the
Globe concludes.

You can check out the story at the CBC Web site:
http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national
 . When you open the site, look for "The
Truth
About Rajmonda".
---
TiM Ed.: Guess it would be too much to hope for CNN's Christiana
Amanpour
to follow in CBC's footsteps and fess up to all the lies and
distortions
she has pawned off over the years as "news?"  Not only because it
might
embarrass her new "hubby," the State Department spokesman
James Rubin.
But
because, unlike the CBC, Ms. Amanpour and CNN don't have to
worry about
"the network's entire credibility."  They don't have any.
--



Kathleen


"It should, it seems to me, be our pleasure and duty to make those people free, and 
let them deal with their own domestic questions in their own way. And so I am an 
anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land." 
- Mark Twain

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Re: [CTRL] must read Letter from Rep. Ron Paul must read

1999-09-10 Thread K


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The last line of the footer indicates the letter was written in
December of 1997.  Is Rep. Paul still in need of contributions?


Kathleen


"I don't care who does the electing as long as I get to do the nominating." -- Boss 
Tweed


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every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson (1800)

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[CTRL] Fw: The Blood Trail: Part I

1999-09-09 Thread K


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 Thursday, September 9,1999

 The Blood Trail: Part I
 By Dale Hurd
 September 8, 1999
  -- On May 19th, on the same night an office in Montreal was broken
  into and burglarized, in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, a clinic was fire
  bombed. How could seemingly separate incidents in Quebec and Arkansas
  be related? A message was delivered...the same message. Someone, somewhere is very
 concerned about an incredible scandal that most Americans know nothing
 about, but about which Canadians know only too well. This is a story
 about tainted blood collected from Arkansas inmates and sold to make a
 profit. It's about hundreds of dead and dying Canadian hemophiliacs
 who used it, and a former governor who could be held legally respo
 nsible for it. The blood trail starts at Cummins prison, near Grady,
 Arkansas. Cummins was one of several prisons in Arkansas in which
 blood products were collected from infected prisoners, sold on the
 spot market at a huge profit, and then shipped all around the world.
 The federal courts once condemned the Arkansas prison system as "a
 dark and evil world completely alien to the free world." In 1978, its
 conditions were declared unconstitutional. Inmates used to be murdered
 inside Cummins prison; their bodies thrown into unmarked graves.
 Arkansas was one of the last prison systems to use slave labor. And it
 was the last prison system in the country to stop selling plasma
 donated by prisoners. Michael Galster is a board certified
 prosthetist/orthotist. He's worked at Cummins prison from the 1970s
 until the present day. " I would try to look on their charts and see
 if they had had a blood test, because they'd have a Band- Aid at
 their elbow, and they'd tell me, 'No, they hadn't had a blood test;
 they'd just sold their blood the day before.'" Galster says some of
 his patients, who were also in the blood program, had no business
 giving blood. "Some of them were just too ill to walk, if they could
 walk in the first place. They'd come in in a wheelchair, they'd have
 distended abdomens, they'd be yellow, the whites of their eyes would
 be yellow -- al l the obvious signs of hepatitic infections." What
 Galster eventually uncovered about the prison plasma program was
 turned into a book: Blood Trail. It's not a book for everyone because
 it contains adult language and adult situations. Galster chose to
 write his account as a novel under a pen name, Michael Sullivan,
 because he was afraid for his family's safety. He would later find out
 he had reason to be. But back in the 1980s, Galster assumed prison
 officials must have known what they were doing: "I assumed that the
 people in the prison who were buying and selling this blood had some
 technique of cleaning it up, running it through a filter, or
 whatever..." But they apparently did not. John Schock was an inmate at
 Cummins in the '80s. He donated blood so that he could get a few
 dollars in paper scrip to spend at the prison canteen. But he paid
 dearly for it. It was through the blood program that he contracted
 the incurable hepatitis C that wrecked his first liver. "I've never
 seen them tear open a needle, a clean needle, and stick it in you. "
 Schock said he saw plenty of sick inmates who were allowed to bleed,
 "[I saw]
  sick people going in and bleeding...coughing, hacking, choking,
  carrying on all over the place, you know, [and] all over everybody.
  [Some had] pneumonia or the flu or [I would] know that they are a
  homosexual, and they're in here bleeding, just like I am.
 "Sometimes they would let you go two or three weeks and they'd be
 sticking you every time, testing you. Sometimes it'd be two or three
 months before they'd stick you and test you again." In other words,
 Schock confirmed  that he and other inmates gave blood without being
 tested. The plasma was spun out of the blood, which was then put back
 into the inmates. The bleeding program was a gold mine. Inmates only
 got about five dollars per liter, but with sometimes thousands of
 liters being collected each month with a market value of 50 dollars
 or more per liter, HMA should have netted more than at least a million
 dollars per year. There are suspicions it made several million a year.
 The plasma was shipped out stamped ADC plasma. What may not have been
 clear to the buyers is that "ADC" stood for Arkansas Department of
 Corrections. The plasma was sold all around the world, but in the
 1980s, much of it ended up in Canada, where a Toronto company used it
 to make a blood-clotting product called Factor 8, which was then
 distributed by the Canadian Red Cross and, finally, put into the blood
 streams of unsuspecting Canadians
  like James Krepner.
 "When I was in my early twenties and feeling fine, I weighed about
 180, 185 pounds, and now I'm about 105 pounds." Krepner, a Toronto
 attorney, is dying from Aids and hepatitis C from Arkansas prison
 plasma. " I mean, initially, when I was infected, I thought, well,

Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor

1999-09-09 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


 -Caveat Lector-

I don't see "mocking Chelsea Clinton" as the equivalent of frying alive two
dozen children under the age of ten.  This just isn't funny.  I hope I never
"lighten up" to the extent that this becomes funny to me.  It is tasteless,
crude and callous.  Period.  Furthermore, I have no regard for the opinion
of anyone who thinks this is funny, so spare me.
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: pennie hammons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor


 -Caveat Lector-

 The medical proffesion KILLS DEAD people? How exactly do they do that? And
 is it only in Waco that they kill these dead people?


 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:17:08 -0100
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
 William Shannon wrote:
  
-Caveat Lector-
  
   In a message dated 9/7/99 9:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter.
...Only a sick person would post such a thing.
 
 Oh bullshit! It's not that big a fucking deal. Let's not
 get too carried away. The medical profession kills ten times the
 number of dead people at Waco every day.
 
 Joshua2
 
  
   Yeah well whatever, guess it's mighty cool to mock Chelsea Clinton
while
 she
   was a mere child though? "Two-faced" double standards are the order of
 the
   day among the bible and guns set I guess...
   As Rush would say..."Lighten' Up Folks"
   And Limbaugh is ALWAYS right, isn't he? (Ooops, I forgot, he's another
 "fake"
   conservative"...sorry!
  
   Bill
  
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Re: [CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead?

1999-09-08 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Hilary,
Could it be they wanted no witnesses to tell the horrors of what happened
and who did what to whom?
Amelia

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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 10:45 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead?


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 "Also on Sunday, filmmaker Michael McNulty, who has questioned government
 findings that the Davidians were responsible for their tragic end, said on
 ``Fox News Sunday'' that he had new evidence that federal operatives were
 firing ``long streams of automatic weapons fire'' at the back of the
 compound, preventing those inside from escaping the fire."

 This is very interesting!!!  Why would they want everyone dead?

 Hilary


 Monday September 6 1:24 AM ET
 Republicans Vow Probe Into Waco
 Full Coverage Waco Investigation
 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990906/pl/waco_investigation_27.html
 By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer

 WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress returns this week with Republicans intent on
 investigating the latest Waco dispute and asking whether Janet Reno should
 resign over what one senator said was a Justice Department ``in
shambles.''


 On the Democratic side, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York said Sunday he
had
 written GOP committee chairmen asking them to put off hearings until an
 independent investigator finishes looking into new controversies swirling
 around the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound.

 Schumer, on ABC's ``This Week,'' said hearings would probably descend into
 partisan squabbling. ``My worry is that congressional investigations would
 bring up a lot of heat and not very much light.''
 But Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, said Congress must be involved. ``You can't
 have the country misled for six years by the Justice Department and the
FBI
 and not have Congress do something about it,'' he said on ABC.

 At issue is recent FBI revelations that it fired several flammable tear
gas
 canisters at a storm shelter hours before the main Branch Davidian
building
 went up in flames. The FBI and the Justice Department had previously
denied
 use of any incendiary devices, and investigations will focus on whether
 this misinformation was the result of a bureaucratic slip-up or a coverup.

 The Justice Department insists there is no change in conclusions that it
 was David Koresh and his followers that started the fatal fire. The
 department also stresses that military special operations officers were on
 the scene only as observers and advisers, and not in an illegal capacity
as
 participants in the operation.

 Any GOP-led investigation would be sure to touch on the competence of
Reno,
 who has constantly clashed with Republicans over campaign finance and
 Chinese spying scandals, to be attorney general.
 Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, on NBC's ``Meet
 the Press'' and CNN's ``Late Edition,'' said he had lost confidence in
 Reno's ability to lead. ``The Justice Department is in a shambles. There
is
 a demoralization over there because they realize they are not doing the
 job.''

 FBI Director Louis Freeh, in contrast, is the ``single best'' director he
 had known, Hatch said. On Freeh's reported differences with Reno, Hatch
 said ``you don't want some milquetoast guy in there who won't stand up and
 do what's right.''

 Schumer, however, said there was a double standard in attacking Reno and
 defending Freeh when it was the FBI that was apparently responsible for
not
 getting the facts to Reno, their ultimate superior.
 President Clinton, asked by reporters Saturday if he had confidence in
Reno
 and Freeh, pointedly supported Reno but not Freeh. On Freeh, he said he
 said there wasn't ``any purpose to assign blame until the investigation is
 concluded.''

 Reno is expected to name an outside investigator sometime this week, with
 the emphasis on an impartial judge, possibly a Republican, who is
respected
 by both sides.

 ``As the attorney general has said, she wants to get to the bottom of this
 and will appoint an outside investigator to do just that,'' Justice
 Department spokesman Myron Marlin said.

 Freeh was not FBI director at the time of the Waco siege, but did head the
 agency later when Reno, relying on FBI information, was denying that
 flammable devices were used against the Branch Davidians.

 ``Maybe Louis Freeh is to blame too,'' Gramm said. ``Maybe they both
should
 go.''

 Former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh, on CNN, said it was ``very
 regrettable that people up to and including the president are now being
 asked to choose sides. This is unprecedented. I have never seen a
situation
 like this where there has been this split between the two agencies.''

 But Hatch also said he had talked to both Reno and Freeh this week and had
 been assured by both that they were on good terms and reports of
 differences between the two were blown out of proportion.

 Also on Sunday,

[CTRL] Ric's Troll Scoring

1999-09-07 Thread K


 -Caveat Lector-

One problem I see is that the troll doesn't always have adequate
data to score himself.  If the troll is quietly killfiled without public
announcement, troll isn't able to claim the credit

I submit that this list needs a committee to organize trolling
awards. There could be recognition given for different categories of
trolls - a few I can think of would be:
Best alien troll
Best newbie troll
Best quote 'em out of context troll
Best racist troll
Best religious troll
Best sarcastic troll

Perhaps you all can suggest additional categories.

Maybe we could even dig up a few old copies of Grimm's Fairy
Tales to award the winners of each category.






Kathleen


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor

1999-09-07 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter.  The manner in which
those children died is cause for tears, maybe prayers but laughter and
humor, never!
Only a sick person would post such a thing.
Amelia

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Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor


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  From: William Shannon

 This is not humor.   And, may I be the first to
 apologize for your parents, or whatever it is that raised
 you, to show total disrespect for the murdered adults
 and children at Waco.

 I can just imagine the outrage on this list had
 the jokes included a recipe for jews being baked in the
 ovens.   Some of you certainly are two-faced.

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[CTRL] Pseudoenvironmentalist War Against People of America

1999-09-06 Thread K


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FRIDAY
SEPTEMBER 03
1999

Pseudo environmentalists

A war is going on in the environmentalist community that deserves
our
attention. This war is between those who care about clean air, clean
water and safe food and those who lust after raw power. This war
pits
those who appreciate the American dream against those who
despise all
that makes America great. What we are witnessing is an attempted
bloodless political coup. People calling themselves
environmentalists
are taking over organizations that once were concerned about clean
air, clean water and other desirable things. They are replacing real
environmentalists with radical socialists whose sole purpose is to
impose federal control over every aspect of our lives. They are using
the environment as an emotional Trojan Horse to conceal their real
aim, political power. They are desperate, because changes in
technology threaten to solve most of the environmental problems
that
they claim to care about. Wednesday, Henry Lamb, in a column for
WND,
wrote about the plans of some federal government and
environmental
organization officials to declare as much of America as possible "off
limits" to humans. Thursday, Sarah Foster, in a WND exclusive,
wrote
about HR 701, the proposed Conservation and Reinvestment Act of
1999
that would use billions more of our tax dollars to buy up private
land. Their articles are only the tips of a very frightening iceberg.
Americans created the Sierra Club a century ago to preserve and
protect what was to become Yosemite National Park. Over the past
decade, however, radical environmentalists have made significant
inroads into the Sierra Club. Two summers ago, the Sierra Club
membership voted on an amazing offensive proposal. Environmental
radicals wanted the Sierra Club to oppose immigration because
Latino
immigrants were more likely to "damage the environment."
Fortunately,
this racist resolution lost, but not by much. Recently, several
radical environmentalist groups sued the Immigration and
Naturalization Service (INS). They want to stop the INS from using
search lights and bull dozing dirt roads on the border. The INS uses
these and other tactics to make it harder for illegal immigrants and
drug pushers to enter the U.S. The radical environmentalists want
them
to stop because, they claim, the night lights and dirt roads interfere
with the nocturnal activities of feral cats. These people say that
wild cats are more important than the sanctity of our borders or the
safety of our people. This week, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
said that it had reached an agreement which gave it jurisdiction over
land development for a 345 square mile area of Central Texas so it
could protect the Barton Springs Salamander. The Fish and Wildlife
Service recently declared this salamander an endangered species.
Fish
and Wildlife says that this salamander is endangered although no
one
knows how many salamanders exist. What we do know is that at
least we
have killed or seriously injured 3,000 per year for the past 70 years
so that Central Texans can swim in Barton Springs without slipping
on
algae. The federal government owns 28 percent of the land in
America,
but radical environmentalists want the feds to own even more. They
are
using tax exempt organizations like the Nature Conservancy to get
around congressional spending limits. One of their tricks is to get
these tax-exempt land banks to buy land from private owners and
then
sell that land to the feds in a year or so. You and I support this
ruse through our tax dollars. We pay the first time by allowing
taxable land to be taken off the tax roles by taxpayer subsided tax
exempt organizations. We pay again when these tax exempt
organizations
flip the land to the federal government in exchange for, that's right,
more of our tax dollars. If all of this is not bad enough, and it is,
the Environmental Protection Agency insists that new air pollution
standards for soot and internal combustion engines be enacted
without
congressional approval. This is in the face of compelling scientific
evidence that these new standards will not help our health and will
waste billions of dollars, disrupt the lives of millions of Americans.
These new standards will, however, create thousands of new jobs
for
the EPA. Al Gore likes to talk about urban sprawl and "smart
growth."
The problem is there is no such thing as urban sprawl. Americans
live
on only 5 percent of the land. Texas, for example, is one and a half
times as large as France, but France has three times as many
people as
Texas. Japan is smaller than California and has half as many
people as
the entire United States. Sure there are cities like Los Angeles and
Houston that seem to run on forever. However, those cities take up
an
infinitesimal percentage of America's land. Run the numbers.
America
is one of the least settled advanced economies in the world. Urban
sprawl is a political issue, not a land-use issue. The EPA says that
we need

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?

1999-09-05 Thread K


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On 4 Sep 99, at 13:59, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 09/04/1999 12:46:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Hmmm.  Well, it might put a kink in rumored plans of Emperor
  William to remain in the White House after 2000. 

 And that will take care of the people slaughtered the next time our
 federal agencies decide to "control a situation."  Prudy



Red herring!   Changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an
argument against a claim.


Kathleen


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?

1999-09-05 Thread K


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On 5 Sep 99, at 8:25, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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 Well to link this together the way it happens for me is this.  I
 can't see how Clinton in or out of the White House or anybody else
 for that matter being in the White House is going to stop the murder
 of the innocent the next time our law enforcement agencies of one
 kind or another decide to "SWAT" whomever they want as a target.  I
 would think that the purpose of finally getting our Government to
 admit they committed murder at WACO is to stop it from happening
 again.  They've committed this same kind of thing under other
 presidents.  On lesser or greater scales this has happened again and
 again for some time.  I don't like it, and I want it to stop.
 Whether its a Republicrat or a Democan sitting in the White House
 will not make the difference I want to see.  Prudy


We're in agreement here, with the exception that I haven't totally
given up hope that somehow we might elect someone with
a) a different world view, and/or
b) a conscience.
Either one of these might result in a prohibition of this kind of
murdurous exhibition.

A Congress and a Senate with the cajones to exercise proper
oversight, blackmail and threats be damned, would help too, but I
guess that really is just a pipe dream.


Kathleen


Thought for the day:
It is impossible to distinguish, from a distance, whether the
bureaucrats associated with your project are simply sitting on their
hands, or frantically trying to cover their asses. If you observe a
bureaucrat closely enough to make the distinction above, he will
react to your observation by covering his ass.

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?

1999-09-04 Thread K


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On 4 Sep 99, at 11:19, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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Actually, I was forwarding an article written and published
elsewhere.
   In the face of this unprecedented attack on American citizens by
   agents of their own government, a deadly assault that sparked the 
  militia movement as well as the bombing of the Federal Building in 
  Oklahoma City, an unprecedented silence befell the press. No one 
  stepped forward to be the Davidians friend, writes Richard Shweder,
   author of Thinking Through Cultures, in the New York Times. The
   Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms spent months planning and 
  rehearsing the largest law enforcement operation of its 200-year 
  history. This turned out to be a major military operation, worthy of
  a  police state, carried out against the domestic residence of an 
  unpopular and readily stigmatized religious community. The ACLU does
   not like guns, and its very busy, so it didnt get involved. The 
  religious leaders of our country do not like cults, and the womens
   movement does not like patriarchal living arrangements, so they
  didnt  much care. And no one wanted to seem sympathetic to child
  abuse or  unsympathetic to the FBI. 

snip

 Trust is not
 important here.  And will you people quit baying about IMPEACHMENT.

Likely not, at least as long as the first amendment remains intact.


 Just what good does or would it do?

Hmmm.  Well, it might put a kink in rumored plans of Emperor
William to remain in the White House after 2000.

Kathleen

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intelligence." -- G. K. Chesterton

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[CTRL] Snipped from Peacefarce 39


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 -
 September 3, 1999
 
 1. Texas Radio Buff: About Two Dozen NATO Aircraft Shot Down by the
 Serbs; Chinese Embassy Deliberately Hit

 PHOENIX, Sept. 3 - Many people would like to eavesdrop, but few know
 how to do it legally and professionally.  Steve Douglas of Ben Hur,
 Texas, is one of few.  Nor does he eavesdrop on something as trivial
 as domestic squabbles.  Unless, of course, they happen to take place
 on Air Force One (the U.S. President's official airplane).

 "It's amazing how many (U.S. government) communications are not
 encrypted, even on Air Force One," Douglas told Jeff Rense on Aug. 16,
 a host of a popular Internet Radio show which airs daily at the
 Sightings Radio Web site.

 What attracted our attention to Steve Douglas, however (thanks to a
 heads-up we got from a TiM reader in the U.K.), was that he also
 eavesdrops (literally and legally) to many unencrypted U.S. military
 messages.  Such as those exchanges during NATO's war on Serbia, for
 example, when many communications between the NATO pilots and command
 and control centers were not encrypted, due to a lack of sufficient
 number of encryption devices, according to Douglas.

 So what valuable "intel" did Douglas pick up from all this
 eavesdropping to be invited as a guest on the Jeff Rense radio show?
 How about that at least 22 NATO fixed wing air craft were shot down by
 the Serb defense, about 10 of those U.S. planes.  And that the bombing
 of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade was no accident, as the Clinton
 administration claimed.  News doesn't get more bombastic than that,
 does it, especially at a time of universal deceit which the
 Washington-Brussels-London "lie and deny" PR and military crowd
 practiced during the war.

 So now not only has the "Venik" Web site, and our other sources inside
 Serbia, corroborated some of the Yugoslav military claims about the
 large numbers of downed NATO aircraft (see S99-141, "Peacefarce" 35,
 Item 2, Aug. 26 and S99-139, "Peacefarce" 33, Item 2, Aug. 24) now we
 have someone right here in the United States, saying the Clinton's
 White House, the Pentagon's and NATO's claims about having lost only
 one (F-117A) "stealth" jet, are just plain bunk.

 But not only was Douglas careful not to use that term ("bunk"), he
 sounded downright nervous and reluctant to divulge much when
 questioned about the details by the radio show host, Jeff Rense.
 Having said that he realized the "caveat" (i.e., probably the pre-show
 agreement between the two?) - that Douglas wasn't going to disclose
 more than you feel is warranted" (to stay alive?) - Rense nevertheless
 pressed Douglas about the loss of American lives with all these lost
 aircraft.  Especially when NATO rescue helicopters were also shot down
 by the Yugoslav military, as some of our Serb sources had claimed
 throughout the war (see S99-08, Day 4, Update 2, Item 2, Mar. 27;
 S99-22, Day 10, Update 1, Apr. 2; and S99-29, Day 13, Update 2, Item
 1, Apr. 5 for some such examples).

 Douglas said he'd heard the same "rumors," but did not know much more
 than that.  He sounded scared when he said that.  But he did say that
 he'd heard about a loss of at least one "Blackhawk" helicopter.

 But don't take our word for it.  Judge Steve Douglas' testimony for
 yourself at the Sightings Radio Web site -
 http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm, or go
 directly to the audio file -
 http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/9908/end0816.ram, provided
 to us by our U.K. source.  The relevant discussion takes place at
 about the 2:15:00 mark of this audio file.

 As for the Chinese Embassy story, fast-forward to about 2:44:00 mark
 of the Jeff Rense show audio file.  "It was no accident.  They knew
 what they were hitting," Douglas said of the B-2 bomber strike just
 before midnight on May 7 (see S99-71, Day 47, Item 1, May 8).

 In other words, Douglas' eavesdropping seems to confirm what the
 Chinese have thought all along - that it was a deliberate strike.  And
 his listening in on the U.S. military communications debunks another
 set of lies, denials and official apologies to the Chinese by the
 Clinton administration officials, starting with the President (also
 see "Who Lost China?" - TiM GW Bulletin 98/8-3, Aug. 16 -
 http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins99/tim99-8-3.html).

 Now, whichever side of this issue you've been on till now (we've been
 leaning, for example, toward the "accident" theory), see the key
 missing element was the motive.  Douglas provides it in the interview.
  "The Chinese 'stealth' (aircraft) expert was in the country," he
 opined.  And as well all know, after one huge embarrassment of having
 one of its "untouchable" aircraft scattered all over Serb farmers'
 fields on Mar. 27 (see S99-143, "Peacefarce" 37, Item 1, Aug. 30 -
 http://www.truthinmedia.org/Kosovo/Peace/ps37.html), the "omnipotent"
 NATO and the Pentagon military leaders could ill afford

[CTRL] (Fwd) [PGP]: Re: NSA key in MSFT Crypto API

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Well I have written a considerable amount on the untrustworthiness of
Microsoft, mostly this was based on their incompetence when it came to
data security. Now we have evidence that they are in bed with the NSA
and likely the FBI also.

It's very simple folks, if you don't have the source code you can't
trust the software. It is unfortunate that NAI has chosen to make use
of crypto modules in their products that have not been peer reviewed
(CAPI  BSAFE) and in the case of CAPI, one that seems to be
compromised.

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Andrew Fernandes tonight published the results of his reverse
engineering of Microsoft's Crypto API (CAPI). [This builds on work
done by Nicko van Someren from nCipher].

Background: MSFT CAPI comes pre-installed with two keys used to check
the validity of a Cryptographic Service Provider (CSP). The holder of
either key can install operating system security services without user
authorization. The first key is used by MSFT to sign their own
security services modules. The identity of the second key holder until
now been unknown. That is to say until MSFT forgot to strip the binary
of NT4 SP5 off debugging symbols.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the debugging symbol for the second key
is... _NSAKEY,

For more information and a program to remove the NSA's key from your
copy of Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, see
http://www.cryptonym.com/hottopics/msft-nsa.html

Note that Windows 2000 includes not just two keys, but three keys that
can sign modules that will control security services on your copy of
Windows.

Word has it that the third key belongs to the FBI. So far, there has
been no independent confirmation of this rumor.

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Re: [CTRL] The Australian


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On 3 Sep 99, at 17:06, Bill Richer wrote:

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 Dear Friends:
   Has The australian web page moved or has it been removed?  I get
 following message:

 Directory Listing Denied
 This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

 At http://www.theaustralian.com.au/home/


Try this one:


http://www.news.com.au/mastheads/frame_loader.htm?aus

or just

http://www.news.com.au



Kathleen


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