date:20021218

Security Masks Political Bans
by workers online 7:23am Wed Dec 18 '02 article#38452

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The Howard Government is using heightened security fears to declare 
Australia off-limits to political opponents, blocking a US genetic 
engineering campaigner from our shores.

Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock gave Doyle Canning, 22, his personal 
seal of disapproval in signing off on a DIMIA report that stated refusal of 
her holiday visa should discourage other activists from visiting Australia.

Her likely crime? Associating with anti-globalisation activists during a 
six-month field semester in Tasmania and Victoria undertaken as part of 
her education degree.

The Vermont-based genetic engineering campaigner told Workers OnLine she 
was shocked to find herself on a Government blacklist.

It's a bit of a worry to be barred from a country like Australia, 
especially when they refuse to give you the reasons, the US citizen said. 
I have never engaged in violent activities of any kind but, I can only 
presume, they class me as a terrorist.

I met some great people when I was in Australia two years ago. I wanted to 
visit some of my friends and comrades, it was going to be a holiday, I 
wasn't going to do any work at all.

Canning addressed workshops in the lead-up to S11 during her six-month 
study tour here and assumes that is behind Government's holiday ban.

Her record sports one trespass conviction, arising out of the peaceful 
occupation of a US Congressman's office in Vermont, for which she was 
subseqently fined $50. That conviction was recorded before her last visit 
to Australia.

Canning works in Vermont as a biotech researcher-activist, supporting local 
communities opposed to the arrival of GE operations in their regions.

She explained that, unaware of her undesirable status, she made a standard 
internet application for an Australian holiday visa on September 1, 2001. 
She was turned down, on line, and told to contact the Australian Embassy.

After being refused entry under Section 501 of the Immigration Act she 
wrote to the Minister. Ruddock responded in July of this year, endorsing an 
11-page DIMIA report, including attachments A, B and C which she was not 
allowed to see.

He said he had considered the evidence and decided I was not of good 
character, Canning said. It's indicative of the global political climate 
in which organising so people can live in peace and dignity is now regarded 
as a criminal activity.

She filed a complaint with the Commonwealth Ombudsman who sough access to 
the contents of the mysterious attachments A, B and C on her behalf. 
Ruddock's office refused to make them available to the Ombudsman.

Workers OnLine understands the Ombudsman has sought a ruling from the 
Attorney General on the hush-hush element of the Immigration Department 
decision.

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=38452group=webcast

ARGENTINA: LA LUCHA CONTINUA.

ARGENTINA: LA LUCHA CONTINUA  Dec 18 2002
 Another December 20th for Argentina

One year after the protests and riots that ousted President De la Rua, the 
Argentine people prepare to take the streets once again on December 19 and 
20 in what is expected to be two days of massive actions. The reason for 
the protests -- then and now -- is the catastrophic situation to which 
Argentina has been driven by IMF structural adjustment combined with 
widespread corruption throughout the government. Current President Duhalde 
has made no progress in restoring the nation's economy or people's faith in 
government.
The people, organised through piquetero groups and popular assemblies, 
however, remain strong and commited to the struggle. On this December 19 
and 20, tens of thousands prepare to take the streets all across Argentina. 
Protests range from piquetes blocking all major highways to an urban 
piquete that will attempt to shut down the Buenos Aires Stock Exchange and 
the headquarters of major corporations such as Microsoft, IBM, Telecom, 
Merryl Lynch, Bank Boston, and Standards  Poor. A comprehensive list of 
the actions that will take place can be found here [ english / espa??/a ].

The Argentina IMC and the Rosario IMCwill be providing extensive coverage 
of the actions as well as a live radio webcast. You can support this 
coverage by donating through paypal here.
Peoples' Global Action (PGA) has called for an International Action Day 
D20. In Solidarity with Argentina, acts and actions of public disobedience 
are planned in more than 30 cities around the world between December 19th 
and 21st.
[ Read Full Feature | IMC Argentina | IMC Argentina In English ]

http://www.indymedia.org/

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Keeping Track of the US STASI.

Outsourcing Big Brother: Office of Total Information Awareness Relies on 
Private Sector to Track Americans

By Adam Mayle and Alex Knott

Read the Commentary, Total Information Awareness: A Chance Encounter Raises 
Questions

The Total Information Awareness System, the controversial Pentagon research 
program that aims to gather and analyze a vast array of information on 
Americans, has hired at least eight private companies to work on the 
effort. Since 1997, those companies have won contracts from the Defense 
Department agency that oversees the program worth $88 million, the Center 
for Public Integrity has learned.

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which oversees the 
Total Information Awareness System (TIA), awarded 13 contracts to Booz 
Allen  Hamilton amounting to more than $23 million. Lockheed Martin 
Corporation had 23 contracts worth $27 million; the Schafer Corporation had 
9 contracts totaling $15 million. Other prominent contractors involved in 
the TIA program include SRS Technologies, Adroit Systems, CACI Dynamic 
Systems, Syntek Technologies, and ASI Systems International.

TIA itself was first proposed by an employee of a private contractor. John 
Poindexter, who worked on DARPA projects for Syntek, an Arlington, 
Va.-based technical and engineering services firm, suggested the program in 
the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Poindexter, who headed 
the National Security Council during the Reagan administration, was 
convicted in 1990 on five felony counts for his role in the Iran-Contra 
scandal. The convictions were overturned in 1991 because he had been given 
immunity for his testimony during the congressional investigation of the 
affair. On Jan. 14, 2002, he returned to the government as the director of 
the Information Awareness Office.

TIA draws heavily on the private sector. Five of the eight contractors 
identified by the Center are involved in evaluating future contracts for 
the program. Grey E. Burkhart, an associate of Booz Allen Hamilton, 
identifies himself on his resume as assistant project manager of TIA 
system implementation. Even the phrase Total Information Awareness has a 
private pedigreeVisual Analytics, Inc., a Poolesville, Md.-based software 
developer and DARPA contractor, has applied for a trademark for the phrase.

In addition, the Center found that at least 24 universities received almost 
$10 million during the last five years to do research on TIA-related 
projects. Some of the largest grants went to Cornell University, Columbia 
University and University of California, Berkeley and dealt with the TIA's 
language translation program, Translingual Information Detection, 
Extraction, and Summarization.

DARPA doesnt do any of its own research, Jan Walker, a spokeswoman for 
the agency, told the Center. She also said that DARPA doesnt require 
private contractors to share their research solely with DARPA. The 
government benefits when there are commercial applications [from DARPA 
research] because it keeps the cost down, she said. Any limitations on 
commercial use are negotiated on a case by case basis, she said, adding 
that, Many of the things DARPA does have commercial applications.

DARPA employs 240 people and oversees a budget of roughly $2 billion, 
according to its Website. It relies heavily on outside contractors. Some 
act as systems engineering technical assistance, or SETA contractors, who 
assist DARPA in managing the efforts and representing the program with 
Congress, the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the military services 
and/or involved unified commander. Typical projects involve five to ten 
contractors, two universities, and budgets between $10 and $40 million. 
DARPAs Website also notes that the best program managersthe agencys 
employees who oversee the contractorshave always been freewheeling 
zealots in pursuit of their goals


A lack of oversight

Congress, which exercises oversight of the executive branch and the 
military, has not held a single public hearing on TIA and sources on the 
Hill suggested that members know little about it. In a Nov. 22, 2002, 
letter, Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) asked the inspector general of 
the Defense Department to conduct a complete and thorough review of the 
TIA program. Noting that available information regarding TIA was not 
sufficient, Grassley wrote that [the Defense Departments] comments (about 
DARPA) only provide few answers and invite many more questions.

Grassley questioned the parameters and scope of TIA, how Poindexter was 
selected to head it, and what protections are in place to ensure civil 
liberties are not violated.

The Defense Department has not begun an inquiry. They have it under 
consideration, Susan Hansen, a spokesperson at the Defense Department, 
told the Center. I have not heard of any final decision about the status.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said that she plans to introduce

Tim May trent Lotts.

POWER SPEAKS THEIR TRUTH  Dec 17 2002
Senator Lott  His Founding Father Values

I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there's not enough troops in 
the army to force the southern people to break down segregation and admit 
the nigger race into our theatres into our swimming pools into our homes 
and into our churches. Strom Thurmond, presidential candidate, 1948 Audio
I wanna say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we 
voted for him. We're proud of him. And if the rest of the country had 
followed our lead we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these 
years either. Senator Trent Lott, Dec 2002 Audio
* * * * *
Anacostia Diaries: Senator Trent Lott, A Racist by Francwa Sims
Speaking at Thurmond's 100th birthday party earlier this month, Lott said 
Mississippians were proud to have voted for the one-time segregationist 
when he sought the White House. Lott has since apologized several times, 
most recently on Friday when he strongly denounced racism and segregation. 
Another racist US Senator makes a 'Freudian slip'. So what's the big deal? 
Personally, I am not really that offended by what Sen. Lott said. What 
shocks me is that he actually SAID what he said. I'm quite sure that other 
senators, congressmen, politicians, CEO's, actors, and etc. have made 
various racial slurs in private. More

* * * * *
Let's be clear about Lott and BET by John
Senator Lott is attempting to spin his upcoming interview on BET as a 
sensitive and suitably challenging response to his recent racist remarks 
and history of racist political behavior. That assumes that BET television 
is a progressive media outlet dedicated to advancing political and social 
justice for African Americans. Not so. More  Trent Lott on 'BET'
by Nauseated African American
Trent Lott's interview on BET will be the continuation of years of 
appeasement and placating the war mongering plutocrat. It will set us back 
yet another twenty years, as this time African Americans will falsely 
assume the moral high ground and yet again appease the unappeasable. More

* * * * *
Questions of the Day: Did Lott misspeak in a lighthearted moment, or did he 
think he could get away with it? What's the difference between this 
statement and what he's been supporting all his life? Comments | Context: 
Affirmative Action Questioned in Supreme Court | He's Not Conservative Enuff
Strom Speech Whitewashed | StromWatch.com

http://dc.indymedia.org/archive/features/2002/12/2002-12.html#3060

RIAA-eefer Madness.

By George Ziemann
December 11, 2002

The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) has a real funny way 
of looking at things. Not funny - ha ha, Funny - odd.

Before you read the rest of this story, I heartily encourage the reader to 
click on the RIAA link above. Make your own judgement before you hear a 
thing I have to say. Take your time. Be sure to look at their Market Data 
because I'm going to be quoting it.

The sky is falling! The music industry is doomed! Woe is everyone. The 
pirates have stolen all the gold. What will we ever do? How can we possibly 
recover? You've poured water on us and we're melting!

Let's quote a few of the RIAA's statements. The first quote comes from the 
report ...

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http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html

Free gets 22 years,Cop gets 6 for same Offense.

PRESTON, MN John Tuchek, the former Lanesboro police chief, was sentenced 
Monday to six years in prison after his conviction in October on eight 
counts of first-degree arson that destroyed three landmark downtown 
buildings in April. District Judge James Fabian also ordered Tuchek, 35, of 
Preston, Minn., to pay $700,000 in restitution. He also found Tuchek guilty 
of a lesser charge of fifth-degree arson.
Investigators became suspicious of Tuchek because the day before the fire, 
he broke up with a woman who lived in one of the buildings. He later 
confessed, saying he had planned to rescue his ex-girlfriend in hopes of 
winning her back, and resigned after he was charged. (background to the 
story: http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/04/16/5898635)

During Tuchek's trial, defense attorney Marc Kurzman argued for acquittal 
on the first-degree arson charges, saying Tuchek didn't intend to burn the 
buildings, which housed a general store, an ice cream shop and apartments. 
Kurzman said Tuchek lit only a small piece of cardboard in a trailer away 
from the buildings, but that a spark from that piece ignited a pile of 
cardboard leaning against the buildings, and the fire spread. After the 
sentencing, defense attorney Kurzman filed a notice of appeal, but Judge 
Fabian denied Tuchek release on bail.

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/12/17/9727681

ANSIR Program.

What's The ANSIR? FBI Warns Corporate Leaders Of Possible Attacks By 
Antiwar Activists Bill Berkowitz is a long time political observer and 
columnist.
At a time when the peace movement appears to be gaining traction, it is 
troubling to read the latest e-mail advisory from the FBI's Awareness of 
National Security Issues and Response (ANSIR) program. A December 4 
communication, sent to thousands of corporate security professionals, 
warns that a loose network of antiwar groups opposed to possible U.S. 
military action against Iraq, are advocating 'explicit and direct attack 
upon the war machine.'

According to the advisory, the week of December 15-21 has been set aside as 
a week of action against warmongering. An Internet posting by a group 
calling itself Every Day a Circle Day has called for attacks on the 
headquarter facilities and other assets of oil companies and defense 
contractors, singling out Boeing and Lockheed Martin, claims the FBI 
e-mail. It also points out that Department of Defense (DoD) assets also 
represent potential targets for attack. Does the FBI know more about 
upcoming activities of the antiwar movement than the antiwar movement itself?

Other possible targets, says the e-mail, could include major media 
companies by 'sanitizing' newspaper vending machines, jamming or hijacking 
radio and television signals, or attacking broadcast towers and damaging 
equipment.

Does the FBI know more about upcoming activities of the antiwar movement 
than the antiwar movement itself? Or is its recent communiqué a blatant 
attempt to scare the public, smear the antiwar movement and discourage 
antiwar protests?

Jason Mark, the Communication's Director at Global Exchange, the Bay 
Area-based international human rights group, said neither he nor his 
colleagues had heard of Every Day a Circle Day. He did, however, think that 
the timing of the ANSIR advisory was suspicious.

Clearly this is a time when the antiwar movement is reaching more and more 
people, and we believe we are beginning to affect the debate over going to 
war with Iraq, said Mark. The administration is obviously concerned that 
support for war is eroding with recent polls showing that four out of 10 
Americans are against a war with Iraq.

Global Exchange is one of more than 100 peace, social justice and religious 
organizations that have joined together to form United For Peace, a new 
nationwide coalition.

Given the FBI's notorious history for trying to discredit social justice 
and peace movements, I wouldn't be surprised if the agency is trying to 
leak the idea that this peace movement involves some violent factions, 
Mark added.

The FBI's ANSIR program, formerly known as DECA (Development of Espionage, 
Counterintelligence and Counterterrorism Awareness) began in 1995 as a fax 
service and shifted to e-mail a year later, and has the capacity to service 
100,000 subscribers. The program started out warning businesses of 
potential economic threats from foreign sources. Currently, ANSIR's e-mail 
project is a component of the government's National Threat Warning System 
(NTWS), which aims to quickly distribute terrorist threats and warning 
information throughout the federal government, law enforcement, and the 
private sector. There is an ANSIR coordinator in each of the FBI's 56 field 
offices around the country.

ANSIR communications are sent by request to thousands of people involved in 
corporate security as well as others who have requested to receive 
unclassified national security advisories. To receive communications from 
ANSIR, recipients must provide business card information, i.e., 
organization name, address, phone, fax, etc., to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for 
processing, with a brief description of the product and/or service provided 
by your organization.

What caused the FBI to e-blast this particular warning?

In the pre-dawn hours of October 19, Every Day a Circle Day posted a 
message at Infoshop News, a website providing anarchist, activist, and 
alternative news, calling for a worldwide week of actions -- beginning on 
December 15 and ending December 21 -- to combat warmongering. The warning 
comes at a time that the peace movement has become increasingly focused, 
better organized and more broad based.

According to the message, the week culminate[s] on December 21 because it 
is the date of winter solstice, the day of the most darkness, [and is] a 
legendary time of revolution and change. The communiqué's author(s) makes 
it clear that they are interested in soliciting damage and they call for 
resistance, not merely demonstration or advocacy, or scripted acts of 
'civil disobedience' where all the participants politely go to jail. (For 
the complete text of the message, click here.)

A little over three weeks later, the message was posted at the Maritimes 
Independent Media Centre website, a site that features Independent, 
democratically produced coverage of issues, culture and events in Canada's

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Weapons Trade Open to All Who Can Pay
By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - No one's an outcast at the global weapons bazaar.

Countries with little in common, or even on opposing sides of alliances, 
come together in the arms trade, whether they do so openly, under the table 
or  as in the case of an intercepted missile shipment from North Korea 
(news - web sites) to Yemen  hidden amid a cargo of cement.

With all but the most advanced weapons, arms experts say, if you've got the 
cash, you can get what you want.

And their only surprise when the transaction between North Korea and Yemen 
was uncovered was that the United States did something to stop it.

They say politics makes strange bedfellows, said Jon Wolfsthal, an 
authority on nonproliferation at the Carnegie Endowment for International 
Peace. The international arms trade is no different.

U.S. officials decided Wednesday to let the unflagged cargo ship carrying 
the Scud missiles sail on its way to Yemen after concluding they had no 
legal basis to seize the shipment. Intelligence officials shadowed the ship 
for weeks and the Spanish navy stopped it Monday off the Arabian peninsula.

North Korea is an ambitious exporter of ballistic missiles, but not alone 
in offering its military wares to practically all comers.

The U.S. government has warned for several years about leapfrogging 
advances in missile technology throughout the developing world. More small 
countries, using equipment and expertise from Russia, China and North 
Korea, are no longer just customers, but weapons exporters in their own right.

The breakup of the Soviet Union also has spawned smaller but sizable 
arms-exporting enterprises that are hard to control. Among them, Belarus 
has become one of the world's largest arms exporters a country with a 
hardline leadership and close ties to Iraq and other states accused of 
trying to amass highly destructive weapons.

In a small example of conventional-arms proliferation repeated many times 
over, a particularly effective German assault rifle is being manufactured 
in perhaps 17 countries most with far less stringent export controls than 
the major suppliers face, experts say.

And the two shoulder-fired missiles that narrowly missed an Israeli 
airliner recently were the old but still highly effective Soviet SA-7 
missiles, versions of which are being made in half a dozen countries or 
more, said Edward Laurance, author of The International Arms Trade.

God only knows where all those things are, he said.

Some reasons there are more players in the arms trade: licensing agreements 
that let one country's weapon be produced in another; readily available 
technical information and the spread of reverse engineering taking 
something apart, figuring out how it works and coming up with a way to make 
it.

Wolfsthal said almost any country able to make cars can also make tanks and 
other sophisticated military hardware.

North Koreans have the incredible ability to reverse-engineer anything 
they get their hands on, he said. The Chinese are taking Russian 
airplanes and making their own production lines. The Iranians have bought 
not only ballistic missiles from North Korea but a production capability.

The United States is the largest arms merchant by far, delivering almost 
half the weapons bought on the world market. America netted $14 billion 
from arms exports in 2000, more than double the earnings of its closest 
competitor, Britain, with Russia in third.

Like other top arms suppliers, the United States does not sell directly to 
hostile nations  except in shady deals like the arms-for-hostages 
arrangement with Iran in the 1980s.

But this is an amorphous world of shifting relations and military 
hand-me-downs.

One result: U.S. forces faced U.S. Stinger missiles in Afghanistan (news - 
web sites), leftovers from the arms supplied to the Afghan resistance in 
its war against the Soviet Union.

Another: Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 with weapons bought from all major 
arms powers, including the United States.

And another: In perhaps the last chance to avoid another Iraq war, 
inspectors are searching there for evidence of weapons of mass destruction, 
including chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) once used 
against Iran when U.S. officials sided with him.

In the past 20 years, Pakistan was our friend, then our enemy, friend, 
enemy, friend, Wolfsthal said. Alliances change quickly.

North Korea has been selling industriously to anyone who wants to buy.

U.S. allies such as Egypt and Pakistan have bought from North Korea, 
experts say, and so has Iran. President Bush (news - web sites) branded 
North Korea, Iran and Iraq an axis of evil because of their existing or 
potential arsenals of the world's worst weapons.

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WESTERN ONTARIO: INDIGENOUS RIGHTS  Dec 17 2002
 Blockade Escalates Into Hunger Strike at Grassy Narrows

The people of Grassy Narrows have escalated their direct action to protect 
their hunting, trapping, and fishing rights on their customary lands. For 
years they've suffered from mercury poisoning, clearcutting, damming, 
flooding, herbiciding and more in their traditional territory. Early in 
December, about 40 First Nation residents were blocking logging trucks from 
accessing Highway 671, the access road to Abitibi Consolidated clear 
cutting operations north of Kenora. No logging trucks attempted to cross 
the blockade in the first three days of the action, but the protesters 
remain vigilant.

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Dutch Elcomsoft's Disease.

Verdict's in: Elcomsoft NOT GUILTY of criminal DMCA violations
http://www.politechbot.com/p-04256.html
Sklywalker walks.
Regarding the possibility of jury nullification in the Elcomsoft case, a 
little history review may be in order: We owe quite a bit of our freedom to 
jury nullification--it isn't just O.J. What follows is an excerpt from a 
paper I wrote recently, for which I am currently seeking publication: Among 
the founders of colonies, William Penn was a particular defender of Magna 
Carta, even publishing an edition in Philadelphia and urging his colonists 
to cherish it.[1] He had good reason to do so--especially with regard to 
Clause 39 [providing for punishment only by the lawful judgment of his 
peers, or by the law of the land]: As a defendant at Old Bailey, charged 
with giving a speech in breach of the peace, Penn had been acquitted by a 
jury that acknowledged he had spoken in the street but refused, despite 
attempts at coercion from the bench, to deem his speech a crime.[2] The 
jurors were then fined, and in proceedings on habeas corpus, Chief Justice 
Vaughan affirmed the right of jurors to decide according to their 
convictions.[3] And in 1682, the year after William Penn became governor of 
Pennsylvania, that colony received a Frame of Government proclaiming 
[t]hat all trials shall be by twelve men, and as near as may be, peers or 
equals, and of the neighborhood, and men without just exception.[4] A case 
of similar significance to Penn's[5] that took place on this side of the 
Atlantic was the acquittal in 1735 of John Peter Zenger, publisher of the 
New-York Weekly Journal, on a charge of seditious libel. It was argued in 
that case that the statements published in the Weekly Journal could not be 
libelous because they were true--but, as the judge told the jury,[6] truth 
was no defense to a charge of seditious libel in 1735.[7] The only fact for 
the jury to decide, as the law was then understood, was whether the 
defendant had published the statements alleged to be libelous; this finding 
was to be rendered by way of a special verdict.[8] Zenger's counsel 
conceded publication[9] and demanded a general verdict.[10] The acquittal 
can be understood only as a rejection of the law.[11] [1] The 29th 
Chapter, no free-man shall be taken, c. Deserves to be written in Letters 
of Gold . . . . The Excellent Priviledge of Liberty  Property Being the 
Birth-Right of Free-Born Subjects of England 23, quoted at Howard, supra 
note 38, at 90. Chapter 29 is a later edition of Clauses 39 and 40. See 
supra note 14. [2] Lloyd E. Moore, The Jury: Tool of Kings, Palladium of 
Liberty 83 (2d ed. 1988). [3] Bushell's Case, 124 Eng. Rep. 1006 (n.d.). 
The Chief Justice, finding that the allegation that the jury did acquit, 
against the direction of the Court, literally taken was a mere vail and 
colour of words, which make a shew of being something, and in truth are 
nothing, because every case contains elements of both law and fact, wrote: 
If the meaning of these words, finding against the direction of the Court 
in matter of law, be, that if the Judge having heard the evidence, the law 
is for the plaintiff, or for the defendant, and you are under the pain of 
fine and imprisonment to find accordingly, then the jury ought of duty to 
do so; every man sees that the jury is but a troublesome delay, great 
charge, and of no use in determining right and wrong, and therefore the 
tryals by them may be better abolish'd than continued; which were a strange 
new-found conclusion, after a tryal so celebrated for many hundreds of 
years. 124 Eng. Rep., at 1011. Vaughan writes in terms of perceptions of 
fact, and he argues, 124 Eng. Rep. at 1012-13, that the jurors may know 
more about the case than has been presented in court, because they are from 
the place where the facts at issue arose. It is notable, then, that his 
opinion does not describe the events of the Penn and Mead trial, where the 
jury found defendant Penn Guilty of speaking Grace-Church Street, but 
refused to include the words unlawful assembly as the court wished, and 
where only after its first two verdicts were refused did the jury return a 
full acquittal. Compare Bushell's Case, 124 Eng. Rep., at 106, to Moore, 
supra note 40, at 84. [4] Quoted at Moore, supra note 40, at 97. [5] The 
Zenger case has been taken to stand not only for trial by jury (as did 
Penn's case and the subsequent trial of his jurors) and freedom of the 
press (which is closely linked to the freedom of speech and assembly at 
issue in the Penn case), but also for the right to counsel of one's own 
choosing. See Bruce J. Winick, Forfeiture of Attorney's Fees under RICO and 
CCE and the Right to Counsel of Choice: The Constitutional Dilemma and How 
to Avoid It, 43 U. Miami L. Rev. 765, 786 (citing the most famous trial of 
the colonial period, the trial of John Peter Zenger, which stands both as a 
vindication of the right to retain counsel of choice and an

Resisting Police.

Ruddock function gatecrashed

18dec02

FIVE people were arrested when they gatecrashed a function due to be 
attended by federal Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock, NSW police said 
today.

The three were among up to 40 protesters who targeted the function at 
Sydney's Darling Harbour last night, angry at Australia's policy of 
mandatory detention for asylum seekers.
One protester, a 37-year-old Arncliffe man, allegedly struck a Darling 
Harbour park ranger in the eye and was charged with assault and affray, a 
police spokesman said.

Another man was charged with breaching the peace.

Most of the group left willingly, but three refused and face charges of 
assault, trespass, hinder, resisting police and disobeying police direction.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5698566%255E421,00 
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A long history of spies in the nation's capital
By LANCE GAY
December 12, 2002


A stray chalk mark on a U.S. Postal Service box, or sticky tape marking an 
X on a telephone pole, would probably be a sign of children nearby in any 
other city. But this is Washington, the wilderness of mirrors and spy 
capital of the world.

It's so notorious that tour operators have added spy tours to the 
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You can do it yourself. The Soviet KGB recommended its spies use ADC Maps 
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suspected spy nest: His father, Sen. Prescott Bush, bought the house at 
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Hiss once lived.

THE THIRD MAN: One of the most successful rings of Soviet double agents of 
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THE MERRY WIDOW: Washington socialite Rose O'Neal Goodhow ran the most 
notorious and successful ring of Confederate spies from her well-appointed 
home at 398 16th Street N.W., a rifle shot away from the White House 
across Lafayette Park. An attractive friend of President James Buchanan and 
many members of Congress, she leaked to the Confederates the Union plan for 
the first battle of Manassas, which ended with a major Union defeat, and 
plans for the defense of Washington, before she was arrested and went south.

There were a number of Confederate spies in the capital during the war. 
Thomas Nelson Conrad, once headmaster of Georgetown College, sat on a bench 
in Lafayette Park devising a plan to kidnap President Lincoln by charting 
his daily trips. Conrad's plan was never executed. Others gathered at Mary 
Surratt's Washington boarding house at 604 H St. N.W., today the Go-Lo 
Chinese Restaurant.

THE MAYFLOWER CONNECTION: Former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover designed the 
public exhibit halls in the dour cement FBI headquarters, displaying the 
hollow nickels, cufflinks and dresses used to hide microfilm. But most of 
the spy hunts Hoover organized were hatched over daily lunches (chicken 
soup, cottage cheese and lettuce salad) with his confidant Clyde Tolson at 
the Rib Room of the Mayflower Hotel, 1127 Connecticut Ave. N.W.

The Mayflower was also the hotel that George Dasch, team leader of a group 
of eight Nazi saboteurs, checked into in 1942 when he decided to come to 
Washington, with the $84,000 in cash he was carrying, to tell the FBI of a 
nefarious spy plot. In 1985, CIA counterintelligence agent Aldrich Ames 
took his first $50,000 from his Soviet controller over lunch at the 
Mayflower restaurant.

THE MARTINI LUNCH: Long, boozy lunches in scenic Georgetown play a 
recurring role in Washington's spy melodramas.

The favorite lunching spot of James J. Angleton, former head of 
counterintelligence at the CIA, was the Georgetown bistro La Nicoise, 1721 
Wisconsin Ave. N.W.

Barely five blocks away, Oleg Kalugin, a former major general in the KGB, 
favored Martin's Tavern, 1264 Wisconsin Ave. N.W., as the place to talk to 
his boss, KGB chief Vadim Bakhatin. During World War II, the tavern also 
was a favored watering hole for Elizabeth Bentley, the Red Spy Queen, who 
told Congress in 1948 of her activities collecting information for the 
Soviets. Carrying a red flower and copy of Life magazine, Bentley met her 
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documents to his KGB handlers. The handlers signaled their wish to have 
meetings with Ames by chalking an X on the side of the mailbox a few blocks 
away at the corner of 37th and R Streets N.W.

THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY: The lone plaque memorializing Washington's spy 
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Ave. N.W., stating Yurchenko's Last Supper in the USA...Nov. 2, 1985. It 
commemorates KGB spymaster Vitali Yurchenko, who defected, then had second 
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that I have no intention of causing you any personal pains or discomfort.
I am Dr. Sola Cole, former Special Assistant to the late Liberian President, who was 
murdered by rebels.President Samuel Doe, in his bid to fend-off rebel insurgency,and 
since he could no longer trust the army generals, confidentially put in my care,the 
sum of $18,000,000.00 (eighteen million United States dollars),in one instance, and 
another $11,000,000.00(eleven million United States dollars) for the purpose of 
purchasing arms and ammunitions should the need arise. But unfortunately, the need did 
not arise and I could not purchase these arms before he was ambushed and killed by 
rebels. Of this monies I deposited the first instalment of US$18,million in an 
offshore bank account in Europe, while the other sum of $11,million is being kept in 
trunk boxes in a secret location and just the two of us knew about it, and I could not 
get in touch with any arms dealer before the then President was killed.
I have since held on to these trunk boxes, which I was able to transport out of 
Liberia with the aid of ECOMOG soldiers under the guise conveying my personal effects 
without anybody knowing,to a security deposit company.
I am presently in  Africa, where I now work as a consultant on inter-regional 
co-operation. I have borne the burden for too long.I do not want to keep the funds any 
longer, but I can never turn it over to the brutal and tyrannical rogue regime of 
Charkes Taylor(then rebel leader and now Liberian president), who is still committing 
all sorts of atrocities on the liberian people.
I am NOT solicitng for your help to wage a war against the regime, but to act as a 
foreign partner, to allow me transfer the funds to you, and YOU, in turn,would donate 
a portion of it as a humanitarian gesture to the Liberian people by purchasing such 
essential needs like blankets, milk and so on,water-pumping machines and agricultural 
equipment, from the money after deducting your expenses and the comission of 20%.
Please note that I could have approached the Red Cross Society, but I
changed my mind on that after calculating what they would deduct as 
comission, and also, after rationalising the scandal that followed their mismanagement 
of the donations meant for the victims of the september 11th attack on the United 
States.
Also note that this offer will give you a double-edged advantage :
1. as the benefactor of the Liberian people and;
2. the comission you stand to earn.
On getting a positive response from you, I will send to you the  secret
access codes to the account in the offshore bank and the security and vault company.
Please note that confidentiality and honesty are fundamental rules in this 
transaction. Be assured that I am a reputable personality in this country and I am 
mindful of the legal implications of this transaction, as I intend taking care of all 
the legal documentations for a successful and hitch-free transaction.You will be 
expected to take delivery of the consignment, personally from the deposit company in 
Europe. With the password and information that I will give you, together with the 
Power of Attorney, you would then proceed to the security firm, as these will 
facilitate your collection of the consignment(trunk-boxes) containing the 
US$11,000,000.00.
I am  therefore soliciting your assistance to have this money collected by you and/or 
facilitate the transfer into your nominated account(s).
You may also contact me via any of the following email addresses:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
***PLEASE NOTE THAT YOUR CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS
TRANSACTION IS HIGHLY REQUIRED.
I will give you the details of this transactionon receipt of your response to this 
proposal.Thank you very much for your time and understanding.
Yours sincerely,
Dr Sola Cole.

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2002 Organized Crime Review.

Looking Back

2002 was a busy year for organized crime observers
As 2002 draws to a close, let's take a look back at some of the top stories 
of organized crime.

1. FBI in Boston.
This year's top story has to be the Congressional probe into the activities 
of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Boston. Rep. Dan Burton's 
Government Reform Committee heard chilling testimony from dozens of 
witnesses about how some of the bureau's field agents in Boston were in 
cahoots with the Winter Hill Gang, led by fugitive Whitey Bulger. Not only 
did the agents look the other way as Bulger and crew committed crimes as 
serious as murder, the hearings revealed that agents up to and including J. 
Edgar Hoover were comlicit in framing innocent people for the gang's 
crimes. The year ended with Whitey's brother William, president of the 
University of Massachusetts, taking the Fifth as he appeared before the 
committee.

2. The Death of the Dapper Don.
He had been in prison for more than a decade, but Gambino boss John Gotti's 
influence was still felt on the street. Gotti's greed and arrogance almost 
single-handedly brought down one of the most powerful crime families in the 
country, but he managed to still attract respect. His funeral was one 
befitting a Mafia don, but most of the big names stayed away.

3. Peter Gotti's Troubles.
The boss of the Gambino family after his brother's death, Peter Gotti spent 
a good deal of the latter part of the year in solitary confinement after 
the U.S. Attorney reported a plot to kill the warden of the Springfield, 
Mo. federal prison hospital where John Gotti died. Nothing came of the 
plot, but it took Gotti attorney Gerald Shargel weeks to get his client 
sprung from the hole. Peter Gotti will probably make this list again in 
2003, as his racketeering trial is about to begin.

4. The Tupac Shakur Revelations.
The Los Angeles Times reported in late summer that the Crips, the LA street 
gang, was hired by rapper Notorious B.I.G. to kill Tupac Shakur. The family 
of the late B.I.G. denied the allegations and the man hired to do the hit 
is himself dead, the victim of a gang vendetta.

5. Luchese Family Woes.
For years the Luchese family kept a low profile and kept its name out of 
the papers and its wiseguys out of prison. Well, that ended in 2002 with a 
series of busts and the family godfather on the stands helping prosecutors.

6. The Parallel Power.
Organized crime in Brazil shuts down Rio de Janeiro to show its muscle 
prior to the country's elections. In a city the size of Atlanta, nothing 
was open, no cabs ran and people stayed off the streets, all because the 
gangs ordered it.

7. Olympic-size wiseguys.
It turns out that a Russian wiseguy was behind the Winter Olympic Ice 
Dancing debacle where a French judge was apparently on the take. Initially, 
the fix gave the gold to a pair of undeserving Russian skaters and screwed 
the Canadians. The gaffe was so obvious that the IOC stepped in and set 
things right. A few months later, the wiseguy was arrested and charged with 
setting up the fix.

8. Sammy the Bull goes to prison.
Wasted by a thyroid illness that has caused him to shed weight as well as 
hair, Sammy the Bull Gravano was sentenced to 19 years in prison for his 
role in running an Ecstasy ring after he left the federal witness 
protection program. Gravano, living in Arizona as part of his witness 
protection deal with the feds for turning against his Gambino family, built 
the largest Ecstasy distribution ring in Arizona history. It was part of 
his plan to create a Cosa Nostra family out west, authorities alleged.

9. The Return of the Sopranos.
Some 13.4 million viewers tuned in to watch the much-anticipated return of 
Prozac-popping Tony Soprano and his gang of merry and not-so-merry 
mobsters, making it the most-watched HBO show ever. Not only that, the 
series drew more viewers than any other show on the air Sunday night cable 
or broadcast, many of which were in repeats.


10. Bonanno family indictments.
The underboss and 20-some other Bonanno family members and associates are 
indicted forfor murder, arson, kidnapping and several racketeering offenses 
after a two-year investigation. In March and June, authorities indicted 14 
men, including suspected Bonanno capo Anthony TG Graziano, for murder, 
arson, kidnapping and several racketeering offenses after a two-year 
investigation. In September, prosecutors added reputed Bonanno underboss 
Richie Shellac Head Cantarella and eight men suspected of belonging to 
his crew to the indictments.

Other notable events:

The New York City Columbus Day Parade began to rival the St. Patrick's Day 
Parade for controversy over who gets to march after the mayor planned to 
march up Fifth Avenue with the actors Dominic Chianese and Lorraine Bracco. 
The organizers, who say The Sopranos denigrates Italian-Americans, went 
to court to block the mayor from bringing the actors to their parade, and 
won. So the mayor

Congo IMC comeback?

Report below on the signing of the peace agreement in the Democratic
Republic of the Congo. Go to the following website
(http://www.congopanorama.org/art-oxford.html) for a more
comprehensive analysis of the background to what has been happening
in the country (ie. neocolonialism of US and French multinationals,
through the balkanisation of the country via the US/UK security
services support to Rwanda, Uganda and Burundi which enabled their
invasion of areas of the country).

DRC: Rivals sign all-inclusive peace deal
KINSHASA, 17 Dec 2002 (IRIN - UN Integrated Regional Information
Networks)
Ref: http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?
ReportID=31415SelectRegion=Great_LakesSelectCountry=DRC
Warring parties in the Democratic Republic of the Congo signed an all-
inclusive power-sharing deal on Tuesday to establish a government of
national unity and hopefully end four years of war, news
organisations reported.
Under the agreement, reached after months of stop-start negotiations
known as the inter-Congolese dialogue (ICD), President Joseph Kabila
will remain in office for the next two years until the country's
first elections since independence from Belgium in 1960 are held. He
will be assisted by four vice-presidents, respectively representing
the government, the Rassemblement congolais pour la democratie-Goma,
the Mouvement de liberation du Congo (MLC) and the unarmed political
opposition.
There will be 36 ministers and 25 deputy ministers, a 500-member
National Assembly and a 120-member Senate.
The accord provides for a Higher Defence Council (Conseil superieur
de la defense) to be chaired by the president of the republic. An
integrated national police force will provide security.
AFP reported that the accord permits ministers from the various
groups to have their own bodyguards, but abandons a proposal that
2,000 South African troops assure their security. The MLC was
awarded the presidency of the National Assembly, having maintained
that it needed the position to ensure a fair balance of power, AFP
added.
Representatives of the government, rebel movements, militias,
opposition parties and civil society all signed the accord - their
first all-inclusive deal. South African President Thabo Mbeki nursed
them through the negotiations, which began on Sunday, the Mail 
Guardian online reported. The ICD first began on 15 October 2001 in
the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa. [For more on accord see Mail 
Guardian Report below]
With the accord signed, Mustapha Niasse, the UN secretary-general's
special envoy in the DRC, said the next step would be for Ketumile
Masire, the facilitator of the ICD, to take charge of the next stage
of the ICD.
The commissioner-general of the DRC government in charge of the peace
process in the Great Lakes region, Vital Kamerhe, said the accord
marked the reunification of the country.
To this, the government spokesman, Kikaya Bin Karubi, added: We, the
government, are happy with the accord, because we are one of the
signatories. We have, for our part, decided to apply it. It will
require others to come here, to the capital [Kinshasa]. We know there
are certain points which have remained in abeyance, but we are
content that the essential has been done.
[ENDS]
***
Mbeki: the midwife of the DRC peace deal
Hugh Nevill | Johannesburg
The Mail Guardian
17 December 2002
Ref: http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=9483
South African President Thabo Mbeki acted as midwife to the DRC peace
deal signed on Tuesday despite initial resistance from the Kinshasa
government, which regarded him as too close to the rebels.
After numerous summits following the outbreak of civil war in 1988,
which at its height involved troops from seven other African nations,
belligerents signed a peace pact in Lusaka in July 1999 in which
Mbeki had a major input, but it failed to halt the fighting.
An inter-Congolese dialogue began in Addis Ababa on October 15,
2001, but broke up shortly afterwards, with participants unable to
reach any basis of agreement. In February 2002 the dialogue resumed
at the South African resort of Sun City, grouping representatives of
the Kinshasa government, the two main rebel groups, opposition
politicians and civil society.
It got off to a rocky start, with Jean-Pierre Bemba, the head of the
Ugandan-backed Congolese Liberation Movement (MLC) boycotting the
opening session. The facilitator there was former Botswanan president
Sir Ketumile Masire, who came under criticism from some participants
because he does not speak French.
He dropped out as mediator after the Sun City talks ended in April,
with the Pretoria talks, which started in October, mediated by UN
special envoy Moustapha Niasse of Senegal and South African
Provincial Affairs Minister Sydney Mufamadi.
In Sun City, the talks reached stalemate, on April 8 Mbeki arrived
and held private talks with each delegation. The MLC abandoned a
demand that Kabila step down, and Mbeki put

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It just gave me a fright today when it personalized my home page,(that is 
unless everywhere is now Australia.) If this keeps up it will be a literal 
mirror.
Google vs. Evil
The world's biggest, best-loved search engine owes its success to supreme 
technology and a simple rule: Don't be evil. Now the geek icon is finding 
that moral compromise is just the cost of doing big business.
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Expect More Sniper Attacks.

In OPERATION NORTHWOODS ,the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called 
for hijacking jet liners, attacks on US military bases,blowing up US ships 
wounding civilians in Miami,Florida,Washington D.C.using paramilitary 
sniper teams.
Operation Chile.
The mystery assassin
The shooting of three anti-Chavez demonstrators has unleased a wealth of 
conspiracy theories, says Duncan Campbell
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,861525,00.html
While it appears the ex-wives theory is the strongest on the beltway 
killings,the state terrorist has a rich and varied palate to work from.Nice 
to know shizophrenia and paranoia don't spoil your aim.It makes me feel 
all nostalgic for the good ol' days of the Texas Tower sniper and Lee 
Harvey's big day out.

Cross Burning in Corralito's.

Free-expression, of course, is a right only when conducted on and/or via 
your own property or that of willing others. The travesty of public 
property creates significant problems in this regard since the property is 
simultaneously owned by everyone and by no one. (See the Nazis marching in 
Skokie, Illinois, as one example of this confusion.)
In contrast to the first two Virginia gits, the man who burned a cross  
even a twenty-five-foot tall one  on private property should never have 
been arrested and charged. 
Right Mong?
The Tim May rant generator recently copped some Politech exposure along the 
lines that where the state tries to search your car you blow them away,when 
OCP or whatever the local Aryan Rantist capitalist private police force 
is,thats hunky dory.
All honky crackers on this list are agreed on that,surely!
Public police BAD.
Private Police GOOD.
The principle was highlighted in a recent CATO press release blaming the 
repressive Chinese government for all the strike hard campaigns there.
Property rights according to Mongo and the CATO kid, mean that where ever a 
protestor locks on,there will stand Mongo with a chainsaw,ready to slice 
their arm off for the defence of private property. Declan will back that up 
with a sneer about the hi tech lock these hypocrites use these days.
It seems in these dark days when Declans and Tims friend,Trent is being 
hounded,that the actual destruction of some property may be called 
for.Desperate times call for desperate measures,eh Mong?
Fire up that corralito's cross,old timer and let freedom,(for property 
only.) ring!
http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/burning_crosses.htm
For a little sanity...
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html

Opium Wars.

Oil might have something to do with the US's interest in being 
Afghanistan's puppeteer, but it is unlikely that opium does as well. 

The Mafia type Capo's of the US criminal rogue terror state,need 
deniability and insulation as much as Vinny the Chin.What are you,a friggin 
idiot?
The beauty part of the drug trade,(thats booming thank you very much) is 
practitioners get paid coming and going.You set up and pick up a few dumb 
mules occasionally and get paid for drug suppression on top of your regular 
pad.
Who just toured Asia as the bumper crops harvested...Richard Armitage,Hello!?

Major Variola in the NORTH KOREAN ARMY!

If you have a Web site, and you have video on your Web site, and it's 
digitized and stored on your server, Berman said, in most cases, yes, we 
feel that process is covered by our patents.

So?
Tim and Declan should jump straight in here and defend property rights.
What are you a Major in the COMMUNIST army?

However it may deserve respect...

...for the death of a friend,the chowderHETT may need reminding of his own 
sig-tag-logo

... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, 
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to 
experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

For however he and his bearer :),friends may deserve respect,the predicting 
of the end of money as we know it has,so far,not been found agreeable to 
experience in spite of...how many? It's just around the corner, A little 
further, Any day now. Etc,Etc.
Ya Basta!
How about burying the boring bostonian bs BH? Six feet under,at sea,fuck IN 
SPACE!

...Gary was kind of Financial Cryptography's Charley Parker. (Ian Goldberg 
is Diz, and Adam Shostack, of course, is Miles... ;-)) ...

Guess that makes you Bob Hope and Mongo...Bing Crosby?

...BTW, Ian, there *is* no bank robbery problem... ;-). Cheers, RAH ...

Yeah right...just a slight CREDIBILITY problem. Sneers MST.

Faustine-dog interface.

Seriously. cf recent neuroscience/paleoanthropology research about 
the man-dog interface... He's talking about a recent study (in _Science_) 
comparing the ability of domestic dogs, wolves, and chimps to interpret a 
human's signals -pointing, gaze, etc.-- about the location of food. Dogs 
were better than wolves and chimps. Even dog puppies were better than 
chimps or wolves. Not bad for a dozen Kyears of selection.

Yeah,check out Ians zoo links,Faust.Police in Sydney are running these 
mutts all over users of pubic transport,so the suggestion has been made to 
carry and spread amounts of cayenne pepper as a workaround until a police 
dog specific,canine distemper virus can be sequenced.We need to keep our 
own dogs so when we bury the LEO's up to their necks,they'll have something 
to chew on.

please help me

2002-12-18 Thread abubaka ali



Dear Sir/Madam,

My name is Prince Ali Abubakar, a Sierra Leonean
refugee residing in Burkina Faso under the United Nations
refugee status. i am 26 years old and i am an undergraduate
student of Medicine at the Fourah Bay College,Freetown.You will be
suprised to recieve this mail from a total stranger.Anyway,
got your contact through the internent and decicided to approach 
you for assistance.

My late father,Chief Ceesay Allen Conteh, was one of
the prominent Gold,Diamond and Timber dealers in my
country.He was also one of the paramount chiefs before he
was brutally murdered in cold blood on the 6th of January,
1999 alongside my mother by the rebels of R.U.F 
loyal to one of the tyrants in my country.When i got
home from school to see the remains of my parents, i 
discovered that our house and personal belongings 
have been burnt down by the said rebels.

However,my late father deposited the sum of SIXTY FIVE
MILLION US DOLLARS ($65,000,000) as a family treasure which i
hope may also contain some raw diamonds and gold with a 
Trust Company here in Burkina Faso through the assistance of 
a Burkinabe industralist/business man,whom he has 
cordial business relationship with.But my parents
untimely death has seem to deny me this great opportunity.

Now as the next of kin and the only child,i have made
claims of the ownership of the box containing the money 
although the people at the Trust Company are not aware of 
the actual contents of the box.Hence, i need a 
reliable person outside Africa through whom i could
move the money abroad(overseas) and who will subsequently
 help me to invest this money wisely while i go back to 
school to complete my studies as a qualified 
medical doctor. I am willing to give you 15% of the
total sum if you will be willing to assist me in this 
matter. In addition, i will equally deduct 5% after the
transfer to cover any expenses incurred in the process 
of moving this fund abroad. I am willing to entrust
this money into your hands if you can be honest with me 
as you very much know that my future is hinged on this 
fund as an orphan.

If you are willing to assist me, please get back to me
promptly through my e-mail address so that we can discuss 
the finer details of making this transfer safely. I will 
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Pre Cog Policeman,General Pastika.(pronn. Swastika.)

Police chief wants early trial for prime suspects
By Darren Goodsir in Nusa Dua, Bali
December 19 2002
The head of the Indonesian police team investigating the Bali bombings, 
General I Made (pronn.merde.) Mangku Pastika, said yesterday he was pushing 
to get trials of alleged masterminds of the atrocities before hearings of 
the secondary figures.

This would mean that the principal accused - Mukhlas, Imam Samudra and 
Amrozi - would appear within weeks.

This would help, in a tactical sense, General Pastika said, to convince 
local and international observers of the integrity of the inquiry, the 
strength of the evidence, and the huge reach of
terrorist cells.

However, he said it was also important for the trials to remain in Bali, 
despite pressure for the cases to be returned to Jakarta, because there was 
more judicial certainty about a guilty result on the island.

For the safety and security of Bali, the trials must be held in Bali, he 
said. I believe if the trials are not held in Bali, there will be a riot. 
We have to strike while the iron is hot.

Authorities in Bali were very confident of a guilty verdict, he said, 
because the evidence is very strong and the political will of the 
Government is very strong to support us.

Although details about the conduct of the hearing are still to be finalised 
with Bali prosecutors, General Pastika said he envisaged witnesses would be 
called.

With the charting of forensic evidence, statements from victims of the 
attacks on the Sari Club and Paddy's Irish Pub taken in the past eight 
weeks by the Australian Federal Police were also likely to come before the 
judges.

It is understood General Pastika is being considered by officials from the 
office of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, for some form of honour, or 
award, to acknowledge his outstanding leadership of the investigation, 
which has so far resulted in 15 arrests. He is also being profiled by Time 
magazine.

Meanwhile, the federal Justice Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, said it was 
too early to canvass possible changes to government policy, which has 
traditionally barred law enforcement co-operation on cases where offenders 
face the death penalty.

This is a matter for consideration by the Government on another day, he 
said, though he stressed that the Bali attacks were a separate issue. We 
will provide any assistance that is asked of us.

Delegates from more than 33 nations, meeting in Bali for a regional money 
laundering and terrorist financing summit during the past two days, signed 
a declaration yesterday to improve the transfer of intelligence and moved 
to toughen rules and laws to detect suspicious cash transactions more easily.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/18/1040174292995.html

Dum Dum bullet,andy Downer reckons there could be a danger of over 80 bill 
racing through offshore banks in places like Nahru several years ago.He 
wants the stable doors firmly shut.
The law spoke firmly recently about the rooking of many ANZ bank customers 
over the years.It fined the bank 6 million$ au dollars,( about 3 US)
Banks profits last year were in the billions btw.
Getting back to the story,isn't it comforting to know a verdict in advance? 
Think how much this could save in needless trial expenses!

60 minutes reporter wastes Chivas.

Carleton claims court win, but Barry is 'delighted'
By Cosima Marriner
December 19 2002




Former Media Watch presenter Paul Barry. Photo: Alan Porritt


I can now hold my head high and say I tell the truth, the 60 Minutes 
reporter Richard Carleton declared yesterday after the ACT Supreme Court 
ruled he was defamed by Media Watch's accusation of plagiarism.

But Carleton was denied damages by Justice Terrence Higgins, who found the 
ABC's Media Watch program was entitled to publish its opinions, however 
wrongheaded and prejudiced they may be.

Carleton, his 60 Minutes executive producer, John Westacott, and segment 
producer Howard Sacre sued the ABC and former Media Watch presenter Paul 
Barry and executive producer Peter McEvoy for defamation over two segments 
that aired in July 2000.

Media Watch suggested Carleton lifted large chunks of a BBC documentary for 
his own report on the 1995 massacre of Muslims by Serbs in Srebrenica 
without appropriate acknowledgment. I'm not sure what you call it - 
perhaps it's plagiarism, certainly it's lazy journalism, Barry said on 
July 24, 2000.

Carleton was so incensed by Barry's comments he threw his glass of Chivas 
Regal whisky at his television when he saw the segment.
Justice Higgins ruled yesterday that Media Watch's accusations of 
plagiarism and lazy journalism were untrue. But he said the defendants did 
not have to pay damages, as they were entitled to express their opinion.

The defendants' freedom of speech, protected by fair comment, allows them 
to have published their opinions, however wrongheaded and prejudiced, 
without legal penalty.

Both Carleton and Barry claimed victory. Carleton said he was totally 
satisfied with the decision. It was never a matter about money, it was 
only ever about reputation. My reputation has been vindicated, which was 
all I ever asked for.

Carleton is unlikely to appeal against the ruling on damages. He had 
threatened to quit TV journalism altogether if he had been found guilty of 
plagiarism.

Barry was delighted with the outcome, saying: We've won ... There were 
no damages and [the accusations have] been justified on the basis of fair 
comment.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/18/1040174293217.html

Drug Dealing Terrorist in Court.

Well,it's only a matter of time...
Out of the frying pan, into the pot
December 19 2002
By Steve Butcher
A respected doctor was conducting a laboratory experiment at his North 
Fitzroy home when it blew up in his face - in more ways than one.

The Melbourne Magistrates Court heard yesterday that William Boyd Kelly, 
32, suffered severe burns on March 21 when he sparked an explosion and fire 
while using acacia oil.

Dr Kelly, who worked in emergency and intensive care at the Western 
Hospital, ignored his injuries and fought to save his house.

But his recovery was complicated when police investigating the incident 
found a small marijuana plant in his back yard.

Senior Constable Wayne Taylor, prosecuting, said that
Dr Kelly had watered and nurtured the plant and harvested some of it.

Senior Constable Taylor said Dr Kelly had cooperated with police and showed 
remorse.

Defence lawyer Bob Galbally said that unfortunately an explosion resulted 
when Dr Kelly, 32, performed a laboratory experiment.

Mr Galbally said Dr Kelly's laboratory was very different from others 
often seen in the criminal courts.

Mr Galbally said Dr Kelly's first priority was to save his house before an 
ambulance took him to hospital with burns to 18per cent of his body. Dr 
Kelly needed skin grafts, which left scars. Dr Kelly, who has no prior 
convictions, was a social smoker, much like having two light ales in the 
fridge, he said.

Character witness Stephen Priestley, director of emergency services for 
Western Health, told the court that Dr Kelly, who now works in Sydney, was 
widely respected.

I can't speak highly enough of him, Dr Priestley said. He is at the 
highest end of competence and professionalism.

Dr Kelly, formerly of Newry Street, North Fitzroy, pleaded guilty to 
charges of cultivating and possessing marijuana.

Magistrate Jane Patrick released Dr Kelly on a non-conviction undertaking 
to be of good behaviour for a year. He was ordered to pay $250 to the court 
fund.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/18/1040174296392.html

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The slippery are very crafty.Your Honkie friends.

Beijing pedants order murder of the Orient expression
December 19 2002
An amusing version of English is causing concern for authorities as Beijing 
prepares for the 2008 Olympics. Damien McElroy reports.

Beijing has launched a campaign to wipe out Chinglish, a version of 
English that results in weird and wonderful - but largely incomprehensible 
- phrases that amuse tourists but alarm the authorities.

The language mandarins of Beijing have decided that Chinglish is a blight 
on China's modernising pretensions and must be obliterated before the city 
hosts the Olympic Games in 2008.

The targets of the campaign range from the nonsensical to the charming. A 
road sign on the Avenue of Eternal Peace, for instance, advised: To take 
notice of safe; the slippery are very crafty, a warning that the pavement 
was slippery. A sign in a Beijing park reads: Little grass is smiling 
slightly, please walk on pavement. At a Chinese eatery near the British 
embassy, diners can choose bean curd with feeling or special fumed fish.

There are times when Chinglish communicates a message well, if a little 
quaintly. Signs at railway stations, for example, often state: Take very 
good caution over pocket pickers. The reason for the abundance of such 
phrases is that Chinese is a difficult language to translate into English, 
or vice versa.

There are many traps for Chinese and foreigners. Coca-Cola first tried to 
market its drink with the Chinese characters Ke-Kou-Ke-La, which 
translated as Bite the wax tadpole. Corporate chiefs in Atlanta ordered 
an emergency rebranding and the Chinese now drink Ke-Kou-Ke-Le, meaning 
Happy mouth, happiness. If the Mandarin speakers succeed in eliminating 
Chinglish, some wonderfully obscure linguistic contortions will be lost 
forever.
One hotel, in a link to the days when the Maoist government took a dim view 
of sexual relations between unmarried couples, has confused visitors for 
decades with a piece of paper on their beds saying: Decadent songs and 
actions that go against decency are not allowed here.

The campaign is less than a week old but has received an enthusiastic 
response. The Beijing Tourism Bureau has established a hotline for 
reporting signs and other public messages that do not read correctly. Li 
Honghai, the city official in charge of the campaign, said: Linguistic 
perfection is becoming increasingly important with the rise in the number 
of foreigners flowing into the city.

Not everyone shares the disdain of the Beijing authorities. The choice of 
words is pretty infinite. One can either substitute the verbs, adverbs, 
nouns or what ever one delights, explained a Hong Kong aficionado. There 
is almost no wrongdoing as long as you don't over-capacitate your audience. 
If used rightly, your Honkie friends will love to communicate with you the 
whole night long, he said.

- Telegraph

http://theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/18/1040174295057.html

The Lott,May,McCullagh,Armey.

Those of us with the memory span of a gnat now know all about the above...a 
bunch of fairly stupid white men,whose core values flap in the breeze 180'.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec02/lott_12-17.html
Analysis of Sen. Trent Lott's appearance on Black Entertainment Television 
in which he apologized for comments that many found racist.

Libertarianism: Bogus Anarchy.
by Peter Sabatini.
The Libertarian As Conservative.
By Bob Black. An unusual approach, viewing families, work, schools, and 
churches as being as coercive as government. Starts boring, then gets good.
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/leftlib.html

Declans Liposclupture of Tim May's Ass.

I don't want to harp on this but the conjunction of several recent events 
throws a bright glare on certain cypherpunk obscenities.
Declan lauds Dick Armey...whoops,Ol Dicko goes back and votes for the Forth 
Reich.
So much for the young libertarians.
Tim May gets a brain fart about the forth and second ammendment's.
Almost immediately adds his usual caveat that private P.I.Gs on private 
land changes everything.He will assume the position for them.
The usual Aryan Rant.pay no attention to that hot tub behind the curtain.'
Declan retails Mongo the Drongo's stale rancidity wholesale as only a shill 
for CATO could.
Trent Lott places racist jackboot in mouth while Mongo cracks us up with 
some curt saxon ebonics.(probably lifted from Hustler,Tim probably hasn't 
got any since before the last George Bush was purchased.
So in less than a week,two corrupt right wing demagogues are exposed as 
empty flapping crow food,did I say which two?
Well two out of four aint bad.

Fortress North America.

From THE NORTHEASTERN ANARCHIST #5
Class Struggle Against Borders in Ontario by Jeff Shantz (NEFAC-Toronto)

Much has been made in recent social theory of the flow across borders 
supposedly characterizing the age of globalization. Even left social 
activists have been drawn to emphasize mobility and the supposed 
permeability of borders. For example, one activist and academic inspired by 
the works of Gramsci and Freire, suggests, perhaps hopefully, that the 
complex process of globalization that has increasingly decentralized 
production and centralized decision-making has diminished the importance of 
borders and of the nation-states within them (Barndt, 1996: 243). New 
technologies, most notably the internet, are credited with facilitating 
global communications and global networks of anti-capitalist activism. 
These networks have, in turn, facilitated a move beyond the nationalism 
which characterized earlier struggles such as those against free trade.

The imperialist response to September 11th, of course, smashed much of that 
hope. At the same time the bold exposure of the truly imperialist nature of 
globalization sharply reminds us that struggles against borders, rather 
than diminishing, are perhaps the key struggles of our times. Borders, and 
specifically state control of borders to free the transfer of capital while 
determining the movement of workers, maintain and extend processes of 
exploitation and oppression.


FIGHTING RACIST IMMIGRATION PRACTICES IN CANADA SINCE SEPTEMBER 11th

September 11 offered an excuse to openly display the cruel forces of 
xenophobia and racism which are ever present, if often denied, features of 
Canadian society (1). Among the institutions feeding those renewed forces 
is the Federal government with its zealous focus on security and manic 
obsession with the phantom of permeable borders. In an effort to show its 
allegiance to US world order the Canadian government has entered into 
discussions around joint agreements around border security and immigration 
controls up to and including the creation of a security perimeter around 
North America, a Fortress North America.

Until being invited to join the US Forces in violating the Geneva 
Convention, Canada's hawks have had to satisfy their war cravings through 
such manuevers on the home front. The reality is that the home defense 
has already claimed its share of casualties, however these might be 
explained away by the usual apologists as collateral damage.

A microcosm of the dangers facing us in this epoch are painfully 
illustrated in the recent experiences of three of our neighbors who have 
been set upon by Canadian Immigration: Irma Joyles, Brenda Lyn MacDonald 
and Shirley-Ann Charles. Despite each woman having lived in Canada for many 
years, working, attending school and raising families, immigration 
authorities have targeted them for deportation without hearings. In order 
to avoid having to make the awful choice between leaving her child behind 
without her only support or bringing her to a climate which will worsen her 
health, Irma has filed a Humanitarian and Compassionate claim. Brenda, 
facing a similar impossible choice, has also filed Humanitarian and 
Compassionate claim. Unfortunately, on Monday, November 26, with no hearing 
at all, Shirley-Ann was deported.

According to Canadian immigration policy all three women were entitled to 
have Humanitarian and Compassionate claims heard. Instead, without 
explanation, officers were sent to Brendalyn's home to arrest her. In this 
time of war increased security apparently means that government can 
remove women without notice or hearing. Poor immigrants and refugees now 
stand without rights to due legal process. Prior to September 11th none of 
these women would have been targetted and pursued with such viciousness. It 
is likely that because they have children, homes and jobs they would not 
even have been investigated.

In addition to increased harassment and threats of deportation, are the 
frightening numbers of people who have been detained in Toronto jails and 
detention centres, often in solitary confinement. People have been denied 
access to sanitation and medical care and hearings often occur by video 
link. At the notorious Celebrity Inn, a motel near Pearson International 
Airport used as a detention center, families are split up. Full information 
about people detained since September 11th has yet to be disclosed despite 
the efforts of groups such as Anti-Racist Action and Colors of Resistance.

Among the groups which have determined not to allow these practices 
continue and intensify is the Ontario Coalition Against Poverty (OCAP). 
OCAP has been at the forefront of developing new, creative and effective 
ways of dealing with government agencies which target for mistreatment 
those who are deemed to be vulnerable. One of the most successful practices 
pioneered by OCAP is direct action casework. Unlike more hierarchical

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  Key upgrades maintain the potency of USAF's F-16s 
Read
more here . . . 
[Jane's Aircraft Upgrades - 16 December 2002]
  Further enhancements for Litening targeting pod developed
Northrop Grumman's Electronic Systems sector has developed an AT
(Advanced
Targeting) variant of its AN/AAQ-28(V) Litening pod, flight trials
of
which began aboard an F-16 fighter at the ANG/AFRC [Air National
Guard/Air
Force Reserve Command] Test Center in mid-October. Further testing
is
due to take place this month (December). The company says that
retrofit
kits to bring earlier pods up to the new standard will become
available
in March-April 2003. Potential customers include the US armed
forces,
together with Canada (which has a requirement for 40 targeting
pods) and
Australia.
[Jane's International Defense Review - first posted to
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- 17 November 2002]
  Italy's Tornado MLU plans in detail
The prototype of the first Panavia Tornado IDS (Interdictor
Strike: IS-47,
no. MM7048) of the Aeronautica Militare Italiana (AMI - Italian
Air Force)
upgraded to Italian Mid-Life Upgrade (IT-MLU) '1st Upgrade'
standard,
flew on 13 September from Alenia Aeronautica's Turin Caselle
airport.
It is now undergoing flight trials at Alenia's facility at
Decimomannu,
Sardinia (see JDU Vol VI No.22 p5).
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  US Air Force admits fewer Raptors likely
The US Air Force (USAF) announced earlier this month that it may
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fighter
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billion cost
cap due to cost growth during the aircraft's flight tests.
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  Slovakia leans toward upgrading MiG-29 fleet
The Slovak government is 'strongly considering' upgrading its air
force
fleet of Russian-made MiG-29 (NATO reporting name: 'Fulcrum')
fighter
aircraft, Slovak Minister of Defence Ivan Simko told Jane's
Defence Weekly.
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  New Zealand MoD approves development programmes
The New Zealand Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced the
approval of
several major projects outlined in the Defence Long Term
Development Plan
(LTDP) released in May 2002, together with the planned closure of
the

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Trei, Peter

 Marcel Popescu[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
  My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than,
  for example, Disney.  That's just a guess, though.
 
 While I do have a talent for pissing off (and getting pissed off by)
 known
 celebrities (see Tim May in the cypherpunks list), I must confess that you
 are an incredible disappointment. I mean, nevermind the flippant response
 (I
 don't know why you bothered, honestly - I would rather you hadn't), but
 that's it? You guess that the government is going to be slightly
 fairer
 than Disney? Do you know of many people wrongfully imprisoned by Disney? 
 Mark
 
Well, I'm sure there have been some. Remember that Disney 
Corp is just about the sole land owner of the Reedy 
Creek Improvment District, which was cut out of central 
Florida in 1967 on Walt's promise to build
The ExPerimental Community Of Tommorrow there.

Originally EPCOT was to have been a real town, where 
thousands of ordinary Floridians would live, vote, and 
have families.

What actually happened was Disneyworld, with EPCOT just 
another theme park. Within the RCID, Disney is effectively as 
sovereign as Kissimmee or Orlando. It pays no local taxes 
(except to the RCID), and supplies all it's own services - 
roads, water, fire, and law enforcement. Yes, there are Disney 
Cops, over 800 of them, who can arrest you and lock you up, 
rightfully or wrongfully.

A few Disney employees and their families (about 65 people) 
live on the 24 acres (out of 27,000) not owned by the Disney 
Corp, RCID, or the State of Florida. They are the only voters 
in the RCID, and the board of directors they elect are the
independent government of the RCID.

Check http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Disney101.html

Peter Trei

To Marcel Popescu On the Interventionist pseudo-Libs

2002-12-18 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 06:35 PM 12/18/02 +0200, Marcel Popescu wrote:
I'm just sad - as sad as when I found
out that (former?) libertarian Vin Suprynowicz is all for nuking
foreign
countries because they dared to do in the US what the US government has
been
doing all over the world.

Yeah, the Objectivists (TM) seem to have been taken over by militant
zionist interventionists too.

From the Lib/Obj point of view of we're morally right we should be
nuking any country
(Saudis, French, Mexicans, etc.) who don't have US BoR.

However these formerly-libertarian hawk-wannabees forget sovereignty.
And the sin
of initiation of force.

You can't smack someone on the street who censors their wife and you
don't like censorship.
You can't firebomb a religious school just because they teach things
that are evil to you.
And you can't fuck with other nations just because you want to, or
you're afraid of them,
or you have more weapons than them, and oceans on your borders.  Well
you can, but
you'll end up feeding the NYC rats some asbestos-dusted longpig.

Marcel, watch _Platoon_.   Paraphrasing Elias, We've been kicking other
people's asses for so long, one day
its going to come back to us.   And this was decades ago.

I always wondered what it was like to be in Rome as it fell.  Now I
know.

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Salon - Radio Free Software

2002-12-18 Thread Steve Schear

[This is one of the projects I've been working on, though only the two key 
technical contributors get a mention. steve]

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/12/18/gnu_radio/index.html

Radio Free Software

Call them hackers of the last computing frontier: The GNU Radio
coders believe that any device with a chip should be able to do,
well, anything.

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Bruce Schneier

At 11:08 AM 12/16/2002, you wrote:


Are you for real???

I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases
like revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State or the
State has more motivation to be fair sound like right out of 1984. What
happened to you? This is so utterly ridiculous that I'd laugh if you
wouldn't have so much influence on so many people. I got over your idea that
arming pilots and people on planes is bad, while armed marshals are good
(because they get 3 balls while on duty, presumably), I got over your
ignorance of the solution to the public good dilemma - which is NOT state
control, but private property and enforcement of property rights - but this
is nuts.

Do I have to explain to you why the state can NOT be just? Why it has NO
motivation to be fair, if it can get away with it? Why the incentives are
all wrong - and why, even if we found saints and put them to govern, their
*signals* would be all wrong, because they wouldn't put *their* lives and
properties on the line? Do you even read the articles whose URLs you present
to support your ideas - because the first one,
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,64688,00.html , is definitely not
friendly to the state's justice?

I would have thought that someone whose name is well known among cypherpunks
has at least some familiarity with these ideas. At the very least, it would
have required you to explain why you believe the state is good for justice -
something which is definitely alien for most of us!


My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, 
for example, Disney.  That's just a guess, though.

Bruce

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Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Marcel Popescu

From: Shawn Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 While I disagree with the phrase revenge only becomes justice if
carried out by the State and I certainly don't agree with everything
ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of
Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the phrase why the state can
NOT be just... Please tell me why...

[Mark] The state must have two characteristics, or it's a private company:
1) compulsory taxation, and 2) a legal monopoly over the use of power in a
certain geographic area. That is, it has the legal right to steal and
kill, a right which individuals don't have. (They can buy it, but it has to
be granted by the state.) It must also have a monopoly over the creation /
enforcement of laws, which individuals are forbidden from doing. In having
these characteristics - which it must have BY NECESSITY, if it is to be a
state and not a private defense agency - it is automatically injust; it
applies different rules to individuals, depending on whether they are acting
as state agents or not. (Note: it's not enough for someone to be a state
employee to be able to steal with impunity; but if he is acting as a state
agent when stealing, then he is NOT legally guilty of theft.)

 or better yet, how do you define
just?

[Mark] A simple way would be same laws (legal rights, although I don't like
the term) for all people.

 perhaps, I am living in a dream world, but, if you live in the
United States, then we DO still have control over what the State does...

[Mark] And I DO have some bridges to sell... just send me your bank account
number and SSN... (Btw, believing this only makes you a *willing* accomplice
to your government's actions.)

 bring on the naysayers, and the people who cry about corruption and
conspiracy... but the fact still remains, that what the people want, the
people can have...

[Mark] Definitely. Most people want to steal, apparently.

 if they want it bad enough... the problem is that the
people don't want it bad enough anymore.. the apathy is sickening...
who's fault is that?

[Mark] Apathy is not the problem. Supporting murderers and thieves is. But
this is unrelated to my point.

 as for the State having NO motivation to be
fair... please support this...

[Mark] There's an entire economic school - the public-choice school -
devoted to this. As someone's sig in cypherpunks says (very approx. quote),
politicians don't (and shouldn't) do the right things because they're good
guys... they will only do it when they know that otherwise they'll be shot
or hanged. Since they aren't (also a recent observation made by someone on
cypherpunks), they don't have any incentive to be fair.

 instead of getting on your soapbox to bitch and
moan about how unfair things are, why not start makings things fair...

[Mark] Watch out, you might begin to sound like Tim May... who believes that
a good way to do that would be to nuke Washington, D.C. I can't say I
disagree with him there.

Mark

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Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Eric Cordian

Bruce wrote:

 My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, 
 for example, Disney.  That's just a guess, though.

Governments have no restrictions on their conduct, aside from moderating
it to the extent that they are not overthrown from within, or attacked by
other governments.

Governments cannot commit themselves to anything they cannot later undo by
simply declaring they have changed their minds.  Treaties, for instance,
are far different legal instruments than contracts made between
corporations. 

Given that governments can sell pretty much anything to the Proles, if
they get to spin it to their benefit, my guess would be that we have far
less to fear from Disney than we do from government.

Disney also doesn't arrogate to itself the right to kill those who
disclose its secrets.

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Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 08:15:37PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
 On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote:
  Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a
  horse, and a rope.
 There aren't enough horses :-)

Unlike bullets, horses and rope are reusable. More expensive up
front, but reusable. 

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Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 10:55:00AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
 --
 On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote:
  Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and 
  vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment, 
  and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at 
  one time.
 
 So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously 
 hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, 

How do you know? 

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Re: Bits and pieces of info about the Mike Maginnis story from last weeks OTH

2002-12-18 Thread Declan McCullagh

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 04:22:09PM -0500, Myers Carpenter wrote:
  * From what OTH was able to find out from the hotel staff Cheney was
 indeed only there on Monday (the incident with MM happened on Tuesday)
 as the above email claimed

I believe Monday-only is correct, which again calls into question the
reliability of the arrested-Tuesday claim. See below.



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2002-12-18 Thread Robert J Ploof

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Re: Anonymous blogging and unlicensed medical advice.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 04:27:42PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
 At 08:43 AM 12/11/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:
 On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 01:31  AM, Morlock Elloi wrote:
 
 In a way, Mathew's and Choate's attack upon the list has done
 us a favour.  The list is now effectively restricted to those
 with the will and ability to use filters, which raises the
 required intelligence level.
 Does this vindicate homeopathy ?
 No, it vindicates the vaccination approach, the antigen-antibody approach.
 Or, more pedestrianly, simple learning. Those who learn to filter do so. 
 Others drown.
 A central tenet of homeopathy is the bizarre and acausal notion that 
 dilution of the agent by 100x, by 1000x, even by one billion times, makes 
 no difference. If there is just one atom of arsenic, maybe just one 
 quarter of an atom, in this liquid, your body will learn to later tolerate 
 arsenic!
 Homeopathy is a bogus quack theory backed by 200 years of trial-and-error 
 experience.

Just remember that when Homeopathy *started* it was less likely to kill
you than the alternative. 

Of course, the scientific method eventually caught on in Medical
Circles, an rapidly advanced to the point where they claimed they could
tell if you were a criminal or not by how far apart your eyes were...

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Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 11:44:28AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
 For the Russians, 'a few' was over 70. 
 I hope for a non-violent restoration - this sort
 of thing could give the Libertarian Party legs,
 if they handled it right. 

ROTFLMAO.

You a funny man, you ever considered standup? if they handled it
right... Ha!

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Re: Suspending the Constitution

On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 03:18:09PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
 On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote:
  Lincoln's notion that the Constitution is suspendable during a war, or
  other emergency conditions, was disgraceful. Nothing in the
  Constitution says that it is suspended when a President declares it to
  be suspended.
 Power is what power does.  He got away with it, that's all that counts.

Then the consitution is meaningless babble. 

  Don't stand out, don't protest policy, don't write letters, don't meet
  with hackers, and Washington won't interfere with your so-called
  constitutional rights.
  This is where we are.
 Almost, but not quite.  There's definitly a protest movement already -
 http://www.notinourname.net is a national one there are 2 in my city
 http://www.mindspring.com/~wnpj and www.madpeace.org.  There's plenty
 of people using words to change things.

The Not in Our Name people are only running off at the mouth
because it's a Republican in the white house. The didn't speak up
when the Sodomizer in Chief bombed a pharmacetuical plant, nor a
dozen or so other armed interventions during that period. 

No, those people aren't against the government taking away our
rights by force, they're just against *THIS* government taking away
our rights by force. 

  The thermonuclear cleansing of Washington, D.C. cannot come soon
  enough. Allah willing, by next Ramadan.
 
 While I can't say I disagree, I think a more subtle approach may be more
 permenent.

There is no approach that can be permanent, other than sterilizing
the entire planet. 

Freedom, like security, is a process, a process you cannot stop or
you lose it, and when you lose it, it's a lot harder to get back. 

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Fwd: The true deal behind Panama's UDP Fiasco

2002-12-18 Thread Steve Schear

From: Pelle Braendgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 Dec 2002 15:14:52 +
Subject: The true deal behind Panama's UDP Fiasco

http://talk.org/archives/000109.html#000109
The true deal behind Panama's UDP Fiasco

You hear the most interesting things over lunch in Panama, so I'll
report this more or less as I heard it.

It appears that I together with many other people were a bit to hasty to
come to conclusions about what happened around the Panamanian ban of UDP
ports for IP Telephony.

First of all while Cable  Wireless have a decidedly dodgy history in
this business, it apparently wasn't them that pushed for the ban.

The story is that in reality it was one of the new telecoms licensees,
TeleCarrier Inc. who made the complaint and pulled the strings. I'm not
100% sure that it was TeleCarrier as I'm just trying to get verification
of it, so take the name with a grain of salt.

Apparently this newish telecoms company, which is owned by one of the
most powerful families in Panama. These newcomers to the business, saw
the potential for loosing money and called their pals at the government
entity regulator, who decreed the resolution in October.

Cable  Wireless were apparently hurt by this as well, as they have
agreements with several voice over IP companies including Net2Phone. In
my article yesterday about CW's results you can see how important the
IP business is to them. After January I think even more so when the
voice market is liberalised.

The second interesting thing I learnt about this yesterday was that when
the government realised how damaging this was to the reputation of
Panama, they were up in arms about it. I believe the head of the Ente
Regulador has been called in for questioning by the national assembly
and both sides of the assembly are united in being against the block.

What does this mean for the future? It's probably pretty safe to say
that the Supreme Courts suspension of the block will be upheld and we
wont see this again. It also hopefully means that the government will in
the future be a bit more careful about how innocent sounding local laws
and decrees can affect their reputation world wide.

--
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[texas-hpr] My first run-in with the Safe Explosives Act (fwd)

2002-12-18 Thread Jim Choate

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Subject: [texas-hpr] My first run-in with the Safe Explosives Act

I went to the local gun store today to get a can of
4F.  I thought I would pass along the experience.

The person that waited on me happened to be one of the
owners.  She asked me what I was going to use it for.
I told her model rocket ejection charges, and I asked
her why she wanted to know.  She said that they had
been advised to ask, but I gave an acceptable answer,
so I could buy.  I told her that the model rocket
community was under the impression that the law was
not going into effect until March, but that some
paperwork changes were happening in January.  She said
they had been advised that all changes were effective
immediately.

I then told her that I thought gunpowder was what was
getting regulated more, not black powder.  Another
salesman came up and told me that it was actually the
opposite.  They could leave gunpowder out on the
shelf, but black powder had to be stored in a
magazine.

I asked the owner where they got their magazine.  She
said she had no idea where they got it because they
had had it for so long.  The salesman said it was just
a big welded steel box with locks on it.

She said (with much irony) that I looked dangerous.  I
told her (also with much irony) that everyone knew
Osama was hiding out in a model rocket club somewhere.

This exchanged brought another unhappy thought to
mind.  Even if we win the lawsuit over APCP, the BATF
will still happily jump on us for igniters and
ejection charges.  A different solution will have to
be found for those.  They are so much smaller in
volume that maybe someone in each club can have a LEUP
and keep a magazine just for everyone's igniters and
ejection charges.

Jim Parker

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Re: [CHOATE FIX] No quantum postcards (Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere)

2002-12-18 Thread Jim Choate


On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

 Seems I have to explain why IP packet routing is not broadcasting some
 more. Those of you who understand that postcards have one trajectory
 from you to me can skip this.

 My first post was a first-order Choate fix.  This post is a second-order
 fix. I refuse to respond to the next gripe, where JC brings up quantum
 postcards that take all paths at the same time, until you open your mailbox.

Yada yada yada...same old CACL bullshit.

 At 07:12 AM 12/17/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
 On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
  The network?  Sorry, its one wire from here to there.
 
 No it isn't, try a traceroute to a regular site that isn't over your
 internal network over several days, why does it change?

 In a *virtual* connection, the *physical* paths may change
 transparently.

Transparently says you, change the rules in the middle of the game and
hope nobody notices.

Thank you for making my point. One must have a physical connection prior
to a virtual connection. That physical network connection is equivalent
for this comparison to the physical connection between radio transmitter
and receiver, which is also shortest path (usually). That phsical
connection will change based on many variables. It is true that more
intelligent routers will cache various pieces of data, and provided the
cache doesn't go stale your route 'from here to there' will stay the same.
The reason that the intelligence was put into the routers was because the
packets were bopping around the network until their TTL went to zero
(each individual packet gets it's TTL decremented each time it hits a
router, until it hits zero when it's dropped, each router either sends it
to a known host on its local net or it's default route - where the process
starts all over again on that adjacent physical localnet).

The comparison to radio and multi-path distortion is also valid with
reference to receipt of multiple copies of a packet (and how prey tell
does that happen? Does the single router send out the same packet twice?
Nope, Different routers send them out and they get to the recipient who
takes them based on first come, first served -by different intermediate
paths-).

Bottom line, if there are n hosts on a network link and a packet is
injected each host gets a shot at it. If the host has sufficient info it
can make intelligent decisions, otherwise it drops back to the TTL so
the network doesn't get completely clogged by stale packets floating
around in limbo for perpetuity.

 Each IP packet has one path though the sequence of packets may take
 different routes.

Gibberish.

 Perhaps the mailing-postcards analogy is better than the telco one,
 since Ma Bell doesn't diddle the route after call setup AFAIK.  But
 your postcards, once injected into the Postal Network, may take different
 routes.  Not that you or your recipient knows.

No they won't. If you drop your postcard in a specific drop point then it
will be picked up and delivered to a specific central routing point. There
it will be collected with others of a similar destination. Then it will be
sent to the appropriate distribution center for that region. From there it
will be sent via truck or air to another distribution center, where the
reverse process takes place. About the only variance is the plane/truck
that is travelling the route between regional distribution centers
probably isn't the same one that took yesterdays mail, but it could be.

The USPS doesn't want your mail being sent all over hell and half of
Georgia, that costs us all way too much money.

 Nobody (but perhaps you by inference) is claiming it is identical,
 however, it -is- a broadcast (just consider how a packet gets routed,
 consider the TTL for example or how a ping works). Each packet you send
 out goes to many places -besides- the shortest route to the target host

 (which is how the shortest route is found).

 Modulo CALEA and multi-/broadcast packets, each postcard is handed
 off to exactly one other device, or dropped.

Actually it's not. Take for example when my ISP send my packet (say this
email for example) out on their T3 or SONET link, there will be MANY
other hosts who will look at it and their inbound routers will try to
route it, unless they happen to know that destination IP is not in their
domain. Once the packet gets on a backbone -many- potential routes see it
and decide to pass it on to their default routes or drop it based on the
routing table and protocols (which are not spec'ed by TCP/IP). This sort
of broadcast is also why Ethernet itself uses the collision detection and
resend the way it does. It's also why Ethernet gets bogged to near
uselessness when the actual network bandwidth load approaches 50%.

This is analogous to tuning your radio to a specific frequency (ie IP
= frequency; protocol = modulation technique). The other issues that you
raise are -really- strawmen.


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Re: Suspending the Constitution

2002-12-18 Thread Adam Shostack

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 03:17:21PM -0800, Petro wrote:
| On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 03:18:09PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
|  On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote:
|   Lincoln's notion that the Constitution is suspendable during a war, or
|   other emergency conditions, was disgraceful. Nothing in the
|   Constitution says that it is suspended when a President declares it to
|   be suspended.
|  Power is what power does.  He got away with it, that's all that counts.
| 
| Then the consitution is meaningless babble. 

The Volkh conspiracy blog had this Learned Hand quote recently:
 
I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon 
constitutions, upon laws and upon courts. These are false 
hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the 
hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, 
no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies 
there it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it.
 
The entirety is at
http://www.criminaljustice.org/public.nsf/\ENews/2002e67?opendocument.

Adam
 


-- 
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Re: West Coast...Galileo...decent NSA dudes?

2002-12-18 Thread Morlock Elloi

 But what I don't fully get is why stance matters, per se. For instance,
 take p2p. We can actually argue all we want about what government should/not
 do about the problem, but in the end file sharing is just about
 unstoppable.
 
 If I write or release an app, then, that will facilitate seamless (ie,
 within the Kazaa browser, for instance) transmision and storage of shared
 files in an encrypted format, it kinda doesn't matter what my personal
 philosophy is, does it? I can claim to be a libertarian or say that Ayn Rand
...
 In other words, I'm not particularly pro- or anti-government per se. Frankly,
 I don't care a ton what the government does on this issue (for instance). By
 writing and releasing apps (or simply conceiving of and discussing new apps

Changing the method (or introducing a new one) of communication between
subjects is inherently anti-government.

Government is that by control, and requiring it to do extra work to retain that
control is generally viewed as unpleasant. French resisted introduction of
telegraph for several decades - the government insisted on soldier-guarded
signalling tower system.

I can not think of any current government that would not be shit scared at the
prospect of all subjects suddenly acquiring method for secret or untraceable
(or both) communication.

So your releasing of that p2p app is and will be viewed as pushing arms (free
guns, imagine the possibilities) and will be dealt with accordingly. Especially
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[Choate] Re: My first run-in with the Safe Explosives Act (fwd)

2002-12-18 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 06:17 PM 12/18/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
They could leave gunpowder out on the
shelf, but black powder had to be stored in a
magazine.

I asked the owner where they got their magazine.  She
said she had no idea where they got it because they
had had it for so long.  The salesman said it was just
a big welded steel box with locks on it.

I hope there were holes in it to vent in case of ignition.  Otherwise
its a nice bomb.

When I last checked those things, if you had more than N pounds you
needed a decent
magazine.   Simple fire-safety laws.

Smokeless is a few times the strength of BP, for pipe-bombing smokeless
is as good or better.

I wonder when you'll be questioned if you buy pipe-endcaps at a hardware
store.

pV=nRT, baby.

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Re: Suspending the Constitution

2002-12-18 Thread Mike Rosing

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:

 The Volkh conspiracy blog had this Learned Hand quote recently:

 I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon
 constitutions, upon laws and upon courts. These are false
 hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the
 hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution,
 no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies
 there it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it.

 The entirety is at
 http://www.criminaljustice.org/public.nsf/\ENews/2002e67?opendocument.

Yup, all the ink and all the paper doesn't mean squat.  Who points the
guns where is what matters.  I think there's enough people that still
believe liberty is the right way to go.  And after a whole bunch of others
get their doors kicked in, they might joint the crowd too.

Private comms is definitly important to freedom.  It's also useful to
tyrants.  Preventing the monopoly is our job :-)

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

HELLO

2002-12-18 Thread ekiomo11

MRS. EKI OMORODION
# 8 Queens Drive Ikoyi
Lagos.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
INTRODUCTION: l am Mrs. Eki Omorodion l know this 
proposal will come to you as a surprise because we
have not met before 
either physically or through correspondence. I have no
doubt in your 
ability to handle this proposal
involving huge sum of money.  

THE SUBJECT: MY HUSBAND CHIEF JOSEPH OMORODION (Now
Late)
was the Royal 
Head of my Community, JESSE (an oil rich town)in
Nigeria. My late husbandS 
community produces 3.5%  of the total crude oil
production in Nigeria 
and 0.5%  of the Dollar value of each barrel is paid
to my husband as 
royalty by the Federal Government. 

My husband was also the Chairman of  OMPADEC,Jesse
branch.
In 
his position as the Royal head and Chairman of the
OMPADEC, Jesse branch,
he 
made some money which he left for me and our children
as
the only thing to 
inherit. The money is Twelve Million US 
Dollars($12M). 

Though this said fund accumulated  between the
period 
1976-1998. Due to 
poor banking system in Nigeria and political
instability as a result of 
past Military rules (1985-1999), he deposited this
Money in a  Strong 
Room/safe with an open beneficiary in Apex Bank of
Nigeria pending 
when he would finish arrangement to transfer it abroad
as a CONTRACT 
PAYMENT. He  was planning this when he died late last
year of Heart 
Attack. 
 
THE PROPOSAL: Just before my husband died he called my
attention to the 
money and charged me to look for a foreigner who would
assist me in the 
transfer / investment of the funds abroad. So l would
be very grateful 
if you could accept to help me archieve this great
objective. 

I promise to give you 20% of the total funds
transferred to your vital 
bank account as compensation for your assistance. Five
percent 
(5%)would be set aside to take care of all expenses we
may incure during the 
transaction. To indicate your interest, contact me
urgently and 
confidentially for more information and the roles you
will play in this 
business. All the legal information concerning  this
Money will be sent to you 
as soon as we agree together. 

Send your reply through this mail box, or see the note
below 

Yours faithfully, 
MRS. Eki Omorodion.

N.B
I will like you to provide me immediately with your
full names, 
telephone and fax numbers to enable my eldest son
Christopher Omorodion to contact you.
He shall handle this transaction from A-Z on behalf of
the family.
Alternatively you can call him on his telephone
numbers
234-1-7761459, 873-762-533-730, fax 873-762-533-731
Ask him for the
code and he shall respond GOODLUCK before discussion.
Just to be sure that you are speaking to him.




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2002-12-18 Thread GEORGE EMEKA

 
GOLDEN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
I am an Attorney and close confidant of MRS. MARYAM
ABACHA, the former first lady and wife of the late
GEN. SANI ABACHA, the former head of state and
commander in chief of the armed forces of the Federal
Republic of Nigeria.

She (MRS. M. ABACHA), has as a result of the trust and
confidence she has in me mandated that I search for a
reliable and trustworthy foreign partner, who
will help receive some funds which she had in cash
totaling US$45m (Forty Five Million United States
Dollars Only) into a personal, company or any
reliable foreign bank account for safe keeping for a
short period of time, since her family bank accounts
within and outside the country have all been
frozen by the authorities. (I would refer you to the
website of .http://www.transnationale.org/anglais/sources/tiersmonde/dirigeants__aba 
http://allafrica.com/stories/200203180074.html
http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2000/27/swiss.html ,
 for further information
about these monies and the ABACHAS)

This money in question has however, been carefully
keptin defaced form and deposited with a security
company that has branches in Europe and America.
You may therefore be required to travel to any
of the branches to collect the money on behalf of my
client for safe keeping.

It may also interest you to know that she (MRS.
ABACHA) and her family have, since the inception of
the present democratic government, been placed under
partial house arrest, with their international
traveler's passports withdrawn pending  the resolution
of current fund recovery face - off between them and
the present RTD GEN. OBASANJO led Federal Government,
which from all indications will not exceed this year.

She has decided to offer anybody who will be willing
to render this tremendous assistance 20% of the total
sum, while 5% shall be set aside for incidental
expenses.

Note that this transaction involves no risks
whatsoever, as you will have no dealing with my
Country, Nigeria. Rather, you will deal directly with
the security company, which is based where the money
is right now.

Let me have your confidential Tel/Fax Numbers in your
response to this proposal.

I shall let you into a complete picture of this
mutually beneficial transaction when I have received
your anticipated positive reply. This matter should be
treated as urgent and confidential. This is very
important.

Best Regards,

Barrister George Emeka.

Re: Verdict's in: Elcomsoft NOT GUILTY of criminal DMCA violations

2002-12-18 Thread James A. Donald

On 17 Dec 2002 at 16:43, Steve Schear wrote:
 [I'm more convinced than ever that nullification figured into the
 verdict.  If so, bravo for the jury.  steve]

Both the defense and the prosecution sought to make the facts clear 
and understandable to the jury.  So the defense was betting on 
nullification.

Counterpane is full of shit.Bruce Schneier and Tom Rowley need killing

If it's worth saying once...
Cypherpunks: By Subject
... Counterpane is full of shit.Bruce Schneier and Tom Rowley need killing. 
... Jimmy off
topic again: jill jill (02/09/02). Joe Sirosh needs killing: proffr11 
(02/03/02). ...
www.der-keiler.de/Mailing-Lists/Cypherpunks/ 2002-02/subject.html - 101k - 
Cached - Similar pages

Hey Marcel,with Libertarians as enemies,the state doesn't need friends.

Schneir probably working for Bumsfluff. Be Aware.

Bruce is no fool so why make foolish and provocative statements?
I smell a rat.
Last August Rummie was talking up a covert plan to start hares running,well 
what does this look like? Agent provocateur tactics have been used against 
anarchists for hundreds of years so this is to be expected.The fake 
anarchists in cypherpunk have been well and truly outed by now as a cursory 
look at the archives will demonstrate.
There is no need to panic,the way forward is clear.CryptoAnarchy allright 
with REAL anarchy in it.Not some discredited Libertarian free market 
fascism from the likes of Mongo.Attack is the best defens so I propose to 
continue the Schneir contract and add Rummie.(2$ or yodel equivalent) 
Remember Thermopalye people,a small group of freedom lovers beat off an 
army of slaves.WE WILL WIN.
There is no alternative to that.

Who wants to participate to help form what will be the LAST revolution on 
earth, the one that'll take down ALL the governments? James Dalton Bell.

Security Work- A Blackmailers Delight.


·   To: ·   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
·   Subject: CDR: Trust me with your company,I'm Bruce Schneier.
·   From: Matthew X ·  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
·   Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:30:40 +1000
·   Reply-To: · [EMAIL PROTECTED]
·   Sender: ·   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

EXTRACT
According to industry researchers at Giga Information Group, there are more
than 80 MSS providers in the United States operating nationally - down from
125 last year - a figure that analysts expect to drop to 60. So you should
choose wisely if your security provider goes belly-up.
When it comes to picking a provider, the managed security label can be
misleading since it encompasses a variety of services, from one-time
vulnerability assessments to 24-hour network monitoring.
Some companies that call themselves MSS providers are actually only product
resellers.
Steve Hunt, a research analyst with Giga, says there are six categories of MSS:
·   On-site consulting to develop a security plan and infrastructure.
·   Vulnerability testing.
·   Product sales of security hardware and software.
·   Remote perimeter management, which involves installing, configuring
and managing a virtual private network.
·   Network monitoring, a 24x7 service to watch network traffic for
suspicious activity and intrusions.
·   Compliance monitoring to ensure employees comply with company
policies.
Some providers offer a single service, others a smorgasbord. Costs can
range from $US250 ($A474) a day for consulting to $US12,000 a month for
network monitoring.
Small Sydney provider Kyberguard, for instance, has 50 clients including
Nippon Telephone and Telegraph and international engineering group
Montgomery Watson Harza.
It charges $250 a month for small companies, which includes the cost and
installation of a firewall and IDS hardware as well as 24-hour monitoring
of perimeter activity. For 100 to 150 employees they charge $950 a month
for hardware and monitoring of internal-external traffic. They also install
and configure VPNs.
Canberra-based 90East, which has offices around the country, charges $7000
to $10,000 a month for network monitoring. It also offers server hosting
and VPN services.
The company is new to the commercial market after securing government
systems for several years. The founders were government contractors who
built a complex firewall system for federal agencies, then formed 90East
when the government decided to outsource security.
Their clients include 35 federal departments, state governments and legal
firm Minter Ellison.
The company recently acquired Application Service Provider Peakhour.
Giga's Steve Hunt says that before choosing any MSS, you should assess your
business risks and needs to decide what you can do in-house and what you
should outsource. But no company should hand over all security to an outsider.
Greg Nelson, information security manager for chip maker Advanced Micro
Devices, says companies should retain control of security management.
You can outsource specific tasks but you can't outsource responsibility
for the security of your company, he says.
Bruce Schneier, founder of United States network monitoring service
Counterpane, recommends outsourcing labour-intensive tasks such as
vulnerability assessment, network monitoring, consulting and forensics.
FROM
http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/24/1032734104214.html

West Coast...Galileo...decent NSA dudes?

2002-12-18 Thread Anonymous

Well, there's some truth to Tim May's east/west coast characterization, at least as 
far as technology is concerned. East coasters tend to think in terms of fitting into 
pre-existing organizations and structures, west-coasters are far more able to conceive 
of creating a new structure. (The arts are a completely different matter, however!)

But what I don't fully get is why stance matters, per se. For instance, take p2p. We 
can actually argue all we want about what government should/not do about the 
problem, but in the end file sharing is just about unstoppable.

If I write or release an app, then, that will facilitate seamless (ie, within the 
Kazaa browser, for instance) transmision and storage of shared files in an encrypted 
format, it kinda doesn't matter what my personal philosophy is, does it? I can claim 
to be a libertarian or say that Ayn Rand is a big pooh-pooh head, but in the end its 
pretty clear that file sharing is here to stay. Governing authorities can attempt to 
make all kinds of useless laws against it, or perhaps (and I don't think this is 
impossible), accept it as a reality and thereby strengthen its relevance to our every 
day existence (ie, I don't consider it impossible that some legislation could come 
along that might make things better for most people). Look, traffic lights work pretty 
good, and the hypothetical existence of hidden cops make us take them seriously.

In other words, I'm not particularly pro- or anti-government per se. Frankly, I don't 
care a ton what the government does on this issue (for instance). By writing and 
releasing apps (or simply conceiving of and discussing new apps which are one day 
coded by others), I enable the safe-er transfer of files by those who choose to do so. 
I don't really know or care if they are transferring intellectual property...that's 
for individuals to decide.

But by supporting (through actions and creating stuff) P2P, I am in effect taking a 
protocol nuetral stance...I am enabling individuals to generate and broadcast their 
own content, and make their own morality and even rules (eventually we'll see various 
trading cultures come into being on top of P2P). If that strengthens some government 
eventually, so beit. If that tumbles some governments (I admit more likely), so beit. 
(In a way, the protocol neutrality of cryto and other technologies also acts as a 
bellwether...if we weren't sure a government was repressive before, we'll get an idea 
very quickly after releasing a killer crypto app.) But in the end, the fact is that 
the cat is out of the bag and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks should/could/would 
happen.




Technology is the main thing altering policy in directions we favor. 
The VCR changed policy through technological means...the Court in 
Disney v. Sony (the Betamax case) only provided a fig leaf (fair 
use, time-shifting) for the horse already being irreversibly out of 
the barn. The wide use of networks, SSH, crypto in general, made any 
crackdown on crypto in the U.S. a hopeless case, hence the retreat 
on Clipper, export laws.

The invention of the printing press gave the pirates of that age 
the ability to subvert state-granted ownership of information. This 
long pass altered the ground truth in ways that law spent the next 
several hundred years dealing with.

Actually there's some truth here. The Catholic church, arguably, was not upset with 
Galileo so much for saying the earth moves around the sun (Church big-shots at the 
time agreed with him and saw no contradiction with religious teachings). The real 
threat was that Galileo was claiming that knowing this could be achieved by direct 
observation of nature, bypassing the church. Likewise with the Protestant reformation, 
the printing press, the compass, and the appearence of fixed-hour clocks in town 
centers (as opposed to the monastary). And you know what? The Catholic church still 
ain't exactly the center of enlightened thinking on most issues (the pope silenced the 
big So American liberation theologians, remember), but you know what? It still exists, 
and it's a hell of a lot less repressive than it was during Galileo's time. So 
heliocentrism proved that the church was both repressive, but also had enough 
something or other to deal with it and change.





Yes, I am unabashedly a technological determinist. I was talking in 
terms of knowledgequakes changing the environment long before Lessig 
neatly summarized the ideas (independent of me, by the way) in his 
tripod of custom vs. tools vs. law. (he has since expanded this to 
four legs, IIRC, but I favor the simpler version, the version which 
matches my own analysis from the early 90s.)

This is why Cypherpunks have no use for Washington.

Again, what I don't understand is the (apparently) necessary linking between the 
creation of enabling technologies and the existence (or eventual nonexistence) of 
ruling bodies as a whole. My point is not so much that any view on such

Fwd: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Declan McCullagh

Here's the actual text that's being discussed in another thread. I haven't 
read it yet, but FYI for those of you who haven't seen it...

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:11:26 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Bruce Schneier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

 CRYPTO-GRAM

  December 15, 2002

  by Bruce Schneier
   Founder and CTO
  Counterpane Internet Security, Inc.
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.counterpane.com

A free monthly newsletter providing summaries, analyses, insights, and 
commentaries on computer security and cryptography.

Back issues are available at 
http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html.  To subscribe, visit 
http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html or send a blank message to 
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Copyright (c) 2002 by Counterpane Internet Security, Inc.

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In this issue:
 Counterattack
 Crypto-Gram Reprints
 Comments on the Department of Homeland Security
 News
 Counterpane News
 Security Notes from All Over:  Dan Cooper
 Crime: The Internet's Next Big Thing
 Comments from Readers

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Counterattack

This must be an idea whose time has come, because I'm seeing it talked 
about everywhere.  The entertainment industry floated a bill that would 
give it the ability to break into other people's computers if they are 
suspected of copyright violation.  Several articles have been written on 
the notion of automated law enforcement, where both governments and 
private companies use computers to automatically find and target suspected 
criminals.  And finally, Tim Mullen and other security researchers start 
talking about strike back, where the victim of a computer assault 
automatically attacks back at the perpetrator.

The common theme here is vigilantism: citizens and companies taking the 
law into their own hands and going after their assailants.  Viscerally, 
it's an appealing idea.  But it's a horrible one, and one that society 
after society has eschewed.

Our society does not give us the right of revenge, and wouldn't work very 
well if it did.  Our laws give us the right to justice, in either the 
criminal or civil context.  Justice is all we can expect if we want to 
enjoy our constitutional freedoms, personal safety, and an orderly society.

Anyone accused of a crime deserves a fair trial.  He deserves the right to 
defend himself, the right to face his accused, the right to an attorney, 
and the right to be held innocent until proven guilty.

Vigilantism flies in the face of these rights.  It punishes people before 
they have been found guilty.  Angry mobs lynching someone suspected of 
murder is wrong, even if that person is actually guilty.  The MPAA 
disabling someone's computer because he's suspected of copying a movie is 
wrong, even if the movie was copied.  Revenge is a basic human emotion, 
but revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State.

And the State has more motivation to be fair.  The RIAA sent a 
cease-and-desist letter to an ISP asking them to remove certain files that 
were the copyrighted works of George Harrison.  One of the files: 
Portrait of mrs. harrison Williams 1943.jpg.  The RIAA simply Googled 
for the string harrison and went after everyone who turned 
up.  Vigilantism is wrong because the vigilante could be wrong.  The goal 
of a State legal system is justice; the goal of the RIAA was expediency.

Systems of strike back are much the same.  The idea is that if a computer 
is attacking you -- sending you viruses, acting as a DDoS zombie, etc. -- 
you might be able to forcibly shut that computer down or remotely install 
a patch.  Again, a nice idea in theory but one that's legally and morally 
wrong.

Imagine you're a homeowner, and your neighbor has some kind of device on 
the outside of his house that makes noise.  A lot of noise.  All day and 
all night.  Enough noise that any reasonable person would claim it to be a 
public nuisance.  Even so, it is not legal for you to take matters into 
your own hand and stop the noise.

Destroying property is not a recognized remedy for stopping a nuisance, 
even if it is causing you real harm.  Your remedies are to: 1) call the 
police and ask them to turn it off, break it, or insist that the neighbor 
turn it off; or 2) sue the neighbor and ask the court to enjoin him from 
using that device unless it is repaired properly, and to award you damages 
for your aggravation.  Vigilante justice is simply not an option, no 
matter how right you believe your cause to be.

This is law, not technology, so there are all sorts of shades of gray to 
this issue.  The interests at stake in the original attack, the nature of 
the property, liberty or personal safety taken away by the counterattack, 
the risk of being wrong, and the availability and effectiveness of other

Re: [IP] Limits Sought on Wireless Internet Access (fwd)

2002-12-18 Thread Adam Shostack

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 05:12:35PM -0800, Lucky Green wrote:
| In other words, the new WaveLAN cards are shipping with a remote
| off-switch held by minor government officials. Let's recap the
| initiatives currently underway by both governments and major software
| vendors:
| 
| Remote disabling of your OS.
| Remote disabling of your applications.
| Remote disabling of your network connectivity.
| Remote invalidation, if not downright alteration, of your digital
| documents.
| 
| I wonder what they'll announce next.

Local disabling of your cynicism, in room 101.



-- 
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.
   -Hume

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Bruce Schneier

At 11:08 AM 12/16/2002, you wrote:


Are you for real???

I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases
like revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State or the
State has more motivation to be fair sound like right out of 1984. What
happened to you? This is so utterly ridiculous that I'd laugh if you
wouldn't have so much influence on so many people. I got over your idea that
arming pilots and people on planes is bad, while armed marshals are good
(because they get 3 balls while on duty, presumably), I got over your
ignorance of the solution to the public good dilemma - which is NOT state
control, but private property and enforcement of property rights - but this
is nuts.

Do I have to explain to you why the state can NOT be just? Why it has NO
motivation to be fair, if it can get away with it? Why the incentives are
all wrong - and why, even if we found saints and put them to govern, their
*signals* would be all wrong, because they wouldn't put *their* lives and
properties on the line? Do you even read the articles whose URLs you present
to support your ideas - because the first one,
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,64688,00.html , is definitely not
friendly to the state's justice?

I would have thought that someone whose name is well known among cypherpunks
has at least some familiarity with these ideas. At the very least, it would
have required you to explain why you believe the state is good for justice -
something which is definitely alien for most of us!


My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, 
for example, Disney.  That's just a guess, though.

Bruce

Salon - Radio Free Software

2002-12-18 Thread Steve Schear

[This is one of the projects I've been working on, though only the two key 
technical contributors get a mention. steve]

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/12/18/gnu_radio/index.html

Radio Free Software

Call them hackers of the last computing frontier: The GNU Radio
coders believe that any device with a chip should be able to do,
well, anything.

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Marcel Popescu

From: Shawn Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 While I disagree with the phrase revenge only becomes justice if
carried out by the State and I certainly don't agree with everything
ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of
Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the phrase why the state can
NOT be just... Please tell me why...

[Mark] The state must have two characteristics, or it's a private company:
1) compulsory taxation, and 2) a legal monopoly over the use of power in a
certain geographic area. That is, it has the legal right to steal and
kill, a right which individuals don't have. (They can buy it, but it has to
be granted by the state.) It must also have a monopoly over the creation /
enforcement of laws, which individuals are forbidden from doing. In having
these characteristics - which it must have BY NECESSITY, if it is to be a
state and not a private defense agency - it is automatically injust; it
applies different rules to individuals, depending on whether they are acting
as state agents or not. (Note: it's not enough for someone to be a state
employee to be able to steal with impunity; but if he is acting as a state
agent when stealing, then he is NOT legally guilty of theft.)

 or better yet, how do you define
just?

[Mark] A simple way would be same laws (legal rights, although I don't like
the term) for all people.

 perhaps, I am living in a dream world, but, if you live in the
United States, then we DO still have control over what the State does...

[Mark] And I DO have some bridges to sell... just send me your bank account
number and SSN... (Btw, believing this only makes you a *willing* accomplice
to your government's actions.)

 bring on the naysayers, and the people who cry about corruption and
conspiracy... but the fact still remains, that what the people want, the
people can have...

[Mark] Definitely. Most people want to steal, apparently.

 if they want it bad enough... the problem is that the
people don't want it bad enough anymore.. the apathy is sickening...
who's fault is that?

[Mark] Apathy is not the problem. Supporting murderers and thieves is. But
this is unrelated to my point.

 as for the State having NO motivation to be
fair... please support this...

[Mark] There's an entire economic school - the public-choice school -
devoted to this. As someone's sig in cypherpunks says (very approx. quote),
politicians don't (and shouldn't) do the right things because they're good
guys... they will only do it when they know that otherwise they'll be shot
or hanged. Since they aren't (also a recent observation made by someone on
cypherpunks), they don't have any incentive to be fair.

 instead of getting on your soapbox to bitch and
moan about how unfair things are, why not start makings things fair...

[Mark] Watch out, you might begin to sound like Tim May... who believes that
a good way to do that would be to nuke Washington, D.C. I can't say I
disagree with him there.

Mark

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Trei, Peter

 Marcel Popescu[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
  My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than,
  for example, Disney.  That's just a guess, though.
 
 While I do have a talent for pissing off (and getting pissed off by)
 known
 celebrities (see Tim May in the cypherpunks list), I must confess that you
 are an incredible disappointment. I mean, nevermind the flippant response
 (I
 don't know why you bothered, honestly - I would rather you hadn't), but
 that's it? You guess that the government is going to be slightly
 fairer
 than Disney? Do you know of many people wrongfully imprisoned by Disney? 
 Mark
 
Well, I'm sure there have been some. Remember that Disney 
Corp is just about the sole land owner of the Reedy 
Creek Improvment District, which was cut out of central 
Florida in 1967 on Walt's promise to build
The ExPerimental Community Of Tommorrow there.

Originally EPCOT was to have been a real town, where 
thousands of ordinary Floridians would live, vote, and 
have families.

What actually happened was Disneyworld, with EPCOT just 
another theme park. Within the RCID, Disney is effectively as 
sovereign as Kissimmee or Orlando. It pays no local taxes 
(except to the RCID), and supplies all it's own services - 
roads, water, fire, and law enforcement. Yes, there are Disney 
Cops, over 800 of them, who can arrest you and lock you up, 
rightfully or wrongfully.

A few Disney employees and their families (about 65 people) 
live on the 24 acres (out of 27,000) not owned by the Disney 
Corp, RCID, or the State of Florida. They are the only voters 
in the RCID, and the board of directors they elect are the
independent government of the RCID.

Check http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Disney101.html

Peter Trei

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Eric Cordian

Bruce wrote:

 My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, 
 for example, Disney.  That's just a guess, though.

Governments have no restrictions on their conduct, aside from moderating
it to the extent that they are not overthrown from within, or attacked by
other governments.

Governments cannot commit themselves to anything they cannot later undo by
simply declaring they have changed their minds.  Treaties, for instance,
are far different legal instruments than contracts made between
corporations. 

Given that governments can sell pretty much anything to the Proles, if
they get to spin it to their benefit, my guess would be that we have far
less to fear from Disney than we do from government.

Disney also doesn't arrogate to itself the right to kill those who
disclose its secrets.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law

Re: Suspending the Constitution

On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 03:18:09PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
 On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote:
  Lincoln's notion that the Constitution is suspendable during a war, or
  other emergency conditions, was disgraceful. Nothing in the
  Constitution says that it is suspended when a President declares it to
  be suspended.
 Power is what power does.  He got away with it, that's all that counts.

Then the consitution is meaningless babble. 

  Don't stand out, don't protest policy, don't write letters, don't meet
  with hackers, and Washington won't interfere with your so-called
  constitutional rights.
  This is where we are.
 Almost, but not quite.  There's definitly a protest movement already -
 http://www.notinourname.net is a national one there are 2 in my city
 http://www.mindspring.com/~wnpj and www.madpeace.org.  There's plenty
 of people using words to change things.

The Not in Our Name people are only running off at the mouth
because it's a Republican in the white house. The didn't speak up
when the Sodomizer in Chief bombed a pharmacetuical plant, nor a
dozen or so other armed interventions during that period. 

No, those people aren't against the government taking away our
rights by force, they're just against *THIS* government taking away
our rights by force. 

  The thermonuclear cleansing of Washington, D.C. cannot come soon
  enough. Allah willing, by next Ramadan.
 
 While I can't say I disagree, I think a more subtle approach may be more
 permenent.

There is no approach that can be permanent, other than sterilizing
the entire planet. 

Freedom, like security, is a process, a process you cannot stop or
you lose it, and when you lose it, it's a lot harder to get back. 

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Re: Anonymous blogging and unlicensed medical advice.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 04:27:42PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
 At 08:43 AM 12/11/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:
 On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 01:31  AM, Morlock Elloi wrote:
 
 In a way, Mathew's and Choate's attack upon the list has done
 us a favour.  The list is now effectively restricted to those
 with the will and ability to use filters, which raises the
 required intelligence level.
 Does this vindicate homeopathy ?
 No, it vindicates the vaccination approach, the antigen-antibody approach.
 Or, more pedestrianly, simple learning. Those who learn to filter do so. 
 Others drown.
 A central tenet of homeopathy is the bizarre and acausal notion that 
 dilution of the agent by 100x, by 1000x, even by one billion times, makes 
 no difference. If there is just one atom of arsenic, maybe just one 
 quarter of an atom, in this liquid, your body will learn to later tolerate 
 arsenic!
 Homeopathy is a bogus quack theory backed by 200 years of trial-and-error 
 experience.

Just remember that when Homeopathy *started* it was less likely to kill
you than the alternative. 

Of course, the scientific method eventually caught on in Medical
Circles, an rapidly advanced to the point where they claimed they could
tell if you were a criminal or not by how far apart your eyes were...

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--Dr. Kathleen Dixon,| 240d, 13h ago
Director of Women s Studies, | petro@
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