xhost
Hi all, I am trying to configure my debian 1.3.1 box to allow me to run X programs from the root account when I am logged in as another user, this is because the root account is locked so I have to 'su' to root, the problem I am having is that before I 'su' to root I have to run xhost . Is there anyway to have this done automatically or do I have to enter it in manually? Also I have root's profile script set to export the DISPLAY environment variable when I do a 'su -' but does it matter if this is set if I am not in X but just using the console or telnet? If it does then how can I get it to only be set when I 'su -' from within X? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adduser
Hi all, I am currently using debian 1.3.1 and I noticed last night that the adduser script isn't copying files from the /etc/skel directory properly. It just copies the files but without anythin inside them, i.e. I have set up some default bash scripts that I want all users to run but after creating the user I have to copy the files manually, So what I wan tto know is, is this a known problem? and is it present in Hamm? Regards Graham.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Squid
Hi All, I am using Squid as my web cache and I have been playing reound with the cachemgr script that come with Squid, but I can't seem to get it to work properly, for some of the functions that can be selected when using this cgi script it seems to want a password but everyone I try seems to be incorrect, I have lookes at the docs for squid and they say to create a user called cache and use the password you assign to that user, but that doesn't seem to work.. Any ideas?? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DNS and Host access.
Hi, I have just set up a primary and secondary name servers on my network, and I have created some A class records for things like ftp, www and news. I would like to deny access to say the web site if someone used say http://ftp.bogus.org and just allow access from http://www.bogus.org, I have been unable to find a way to do this, so at the moment you can access any of these services by using any of the names I have set up. Does anyone know how to get this working like I would like to? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LinuxConf
Hi all, I friend of mine is running RedHat 5.1 (i have tried to convert him, but without any luck) and he was telling me that RedHat is now using the Linuxconf package, and I was wondering how compatiable Linuxconf is with Debian 1.3.1(bo) and 2.0(hamm)? And is there a .deb package for the latest version and is there any plans to incorperate it with Debian? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linuxconf
Hi all, I friend of mine is running RedHat 5.1 (i have tried to convert him, but without any luck) and he was telling me that RedHat is now using the Linuxconf package, and I was wondering how compatiable Linuxconf is with Debian 1.3.1(bo) and 2.0(hamm)? And is there a .deb package for the latest version and is there any plans to incorperate it with Debian? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hard disk restarting a couple of times an hour
>> >> I've noticed that even when I'm not using it, my hard disk is re-spun a time >> or two an hour. THere's a brief slowing, followed by the click & bt as it >> restarts. >> >> I originally assumed a looze cable, but I'm reasonably convinced that the >> power & ribbon cables are firmly in--however, jostling them causes a similar >> effect. >> >> It generally doesn't cause a problem, though I've seen "IDE not responding, >> attempting to initializze" type messages if there is a read/write attempt when >> this happens. >> >> THe drive is about 6 months old; a maxtor 8.4. Should I be worried? how do I >> figure out whether it's the drive or cables? It sounds to me that you have hard drive power saving enabled in the bios or something, this would explain it slowing down after a period of inactivity, and then speeding up when you system needs to read/write to the drive. Try disabling the power saving for your hard drives and see if that helps. Regards Graham >> rick >> >> -- >> These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using Diald
Hi all, I am trying to install diald, as I have a small network, no more than 5 machines, and I want all of them to use the interent via my isp account, everything else is already configured, apart from my connection which at the moment has to started and stopped manually. I am looking at using diald to do this, exept that I only want diald to allow connection between certain times, i.e. only at off peak rates, does anyone know if this is possible or even where I can find out more about diald? I have looked at the mini howto but that doesn't give much information at all. Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Microsoft Mouse
Hi, Does anyone know if it is possible to get a micrsoft mouse (the on with the wheel) to act as a 3 button mouse? As under windows 95/nt the wheel can also be used as a third button. Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NE2000
>> >> >> Hi All. >> >> I have a NE2000 card on my 486DX4 100MHz server, running a hamm >> Debian (upgraded whenever possible - something like twice a week... ;) >> And, recently, I encountered a problem: the cable that links the NE card >> to the HUB (3comm) has been changed from coaxial to UTP and so, our >> network conection has gone away... :( I have tried by all means to recover >> it, but with no success (I also do not have the manual of the card...). >> >> Well, by now, what I know is that this little NE2000 can be >> reconfigured to use UTP with the aid of a Config Disk, booting DOS, and >> that its new UTP configuration will be kept on a kind of EPROM (or >> something like this...). Is this correct ? Do I have to find such a >> config-disk and boot into DOS-mode to reconfigure this card ? And what >> about upgrading to a 3COM 509 ? Is it a good idea ? (although I know that >> 3Com cards are better than this NE2000 I am not sure if I can afford such >> a change right now, so I am asking just for the sake of prevention and >> possible future upgrades... ;) I have 2 NE2000 cards, and 1 of them I have to boot into dos and configure the card to use the UTP port instead of the BNC, the other one auto detects which one to use and that seems to work ok to. I do have a 3com 3c509 cards as well, and it took me a while to get it working but I was a relatively straight forward task, but I had to tell that one to use the UTP port as well. So far I have not seen much difference between the performance of the cards as they are both 10Mb. Hope this helps Regards Graham >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> >> Daniel. >> __ >> Daniel Doro Ferranteemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> System & Network Administrator http://www.cecm.usp.br/~danieldf >> >> CECM - Curso de Ciencias Moleculares - USP >>Course of Molecular Sciences - University of Sao Paulo >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Linux and W95 coexist?
>Just received Debian Linux on the LSL CD which will be used on a shared >Pentium which already has Windows 95 installed. The installation >instructions look straight forward with one exception. It is not clear >whether the installation routine is designed to overwrite what is >already on the hard disk or if only the unused part of the disk will be >used. Could someone please point me to a discussion of this and/or more >basic information about disk partitioning? This must be an elementary >question but is not apparent in the FAQs. > Basically, you need to download a DOS program called FIPS (just search for it on the internet). Now, defragment your hard drive in Win95, then immediately exit to DOS and run FIPS. You can now decrease the size of your Win95 partition, leaving you room to slot in another partition for Linux in the setup program. If you just change your Win95 partition into a Linux partition, all the info on that partition will be deleted, including Win95. You just have to have two partitions (well, three, since you need anotehr one for your Linux swap file). Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exim Problem
>> > >> Do you have this in /etc/host.conf? >> > >> >> > >> order hosts,bind >> > >> >> > >> this should tell DNS to look in /etc/hosts before looking into named >> > >> (or at least this is what I think it should do :) >> > >> > Yep that is what is in my /etc/host.conf file. and it still don't work, it look >> > to me like exim and smail (which I have tried on my second machine) as just >> > doing a DNS lookup and ignoring the /etc/host.conf file. I have configured >> > both exim and smail using the debian config programs. and selected option 1, >> > internet mail, as the other options don't seem to take into account if you are >> > not connected to the internet, I think the problem is that my nameserver is >> > just a cacheing name server and so doesn't do reverse lookups, >> >> Why shouldn't a cache DNS server cache reverse lookup? Have you tried this? >> I'm asking this because I usually work in closed domains (i.e. no connection >> to the net) so I have to build my DNS server and don't use cache server that >> much. well I have finally fixed this problem, I had to configure a full namserver as for some reason, a cacheing nameserver just didn't so the job, I even tried smail to see if it was a exim problem and the same thing happened. >> > Could this be the problem or should I reconfigre exim/smail using the config >> > progam? If I reconfigure them using the config program which option should I >> > use? >> >> Well, I don't know, sorry. I've just started playing with exim, and as you see >> (my msg to the list) I have my problems with it too. >> There doesn't seem to be a lot of exim expert these days. :( >> Sorry I can't be much help >> >> -- >> |||| ||| Marco Frattola Microsoft is not the answer >> ||`..'|| |||... Piacenza, ItalyMicrosoft is the question >> ||| ||| |||''[EMAIL PROTECTED]"No" is the answer >> ||| ||| ||| www.enjoy.it/users/~mk/index.html Live Linux, live free! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setting up ethernet 3com 3509b card
>> >> I had trouble setting up an EtherlinkII 3com 3509b card with 2.0.32 and >> 2.0.33 kernel. I configured pnp, compiled the right driver as module, but >> the module gives me either initialization failed or symbol not found when >> specifying io=0x210 irq=3... Is it the ISA one (I think there is a PCI verison but i'm not sure), anway mine works fine but I had to disable PNP on the card and set the card to use the media I wanted i.e. BNC,UTP(RJ45) or AUI I also had to edit the /etc/modules file and near the top there is a line that says insert you network card driver here, i had to put 3C509 there and then I rebooted and it seemed to work fine. Hope this helps Regards Graham >> Any help is appreciated. >> Marcus >> >> -- >> "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god."Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ >> Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.org master.debian.org >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key >> http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exim Problem
>> > Hi all, >> > >> > I am using eximon my 2 debian (bo) hosts, but I cannot seem to be able to send >> > email between these to hosts, I know this is because the DNS lookup for that >> > host is failing as I am only running a cacheing nameserver, so is there anyway >> > to tell exim that if the DNS hostname lookup fails then to use the hosts table? >> >> Do you have this in /etc/host.conf? >> >> order hosts,bind >> >> this should tell DNS to look in /etc/hosts before looking into named >> (or at least this is what I think it should do :) Yep that is what is in my /etc/host.conf file. and it still don't work, it look to me like exim and smail (which I have tried on my second machine) as just doing a DNS lookup and ignoring the /etc/host.conf file. I have configured both exim and smail using the debian config programs. and selected option 1, internet mail, as the other options don't seem to take into account if you are not connected to the internet, I think the problem is that my nameserver is just a cacheing name server and so doesn't do reverse lookups, Could this be the problem or should I reconfigre exim/smail using the config progam? If I reconfigure them using the config program which option should I use? Regards Graham >> -- >> |||| ||| Marco Frattola Microsoft is not the answer >> ||`..'|| |||... Piacenza, ItalyMicrosoft is the question >> ||| ||| |||''[EMAIL PROTECTED]"No" is the answer >> ||| ||| ||| www.enjoy.it/users/~mk/index.html Live Linux, live free! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freshmeat repository
>> >> >From freshmeat page: >> >> -- >> >> freshmeat RPM repository >> >> As you might already know, freshmeat tries to keep up with >> >> the latest software releases and builds RPM packages for >> >> them. All this work is done by Obituary, feel free to mail him >> >> questions or comments. A change invented with the move >> >> of freshmeat to the new location includes SRPMS to be >> >> available as well as the i386 binary packages. >> >> >> >> Note: We are still looking for volunteers to build debian packages. Feel >> >> free to contact me for details. >> >> -- >> > >> >If somebody packages software and makes it conform to the Debian Policy, >> >chances are that that person will already be or become an official Debian >> >maintainer and then you'll find the packages in the official archive >> >anyway. >> >> >> Well, this certainly doesn't solve the problem, though, does it? People >> (like myself) looking to Freshmeat for the latest info on Linux are somewhat >> dismayed that Debian is never mentioned. I had a look last night on freshmeat and there was only one package that had debs listed for it, which was nice to see. If i remember correctly freshmeat is run on a redhat machine, so its not surprising that they don't mention Debian really.. Correct me if I am wrong. >> While I'm still running Debian (for years - and on dozens of machines), I've >> long considered switching to RedHat for the simple reason that RPM's seem to >> be more readily available (leading to the (possibly) mistaken view that >> RedHat is the more prevalent - and thus preferred - distribution out >> there.). (Oh, and the few times I've tried using alien, etc. to install >> RPM's under Debian, the attempts have failed miserably - possibly >> user-related, but non-the-less) >> >> So, why don't Debian maintainers inform Freshmeat when they build new >> packages? I'm sure Freshmeat doesn't have to actually store the files, >> they'd be more than happy to provide links too them, though. This would >> solve *both* problems ??? >> >> Later, >> Kevin >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exim Problem
Hi all, I am using eximon my 2 debian (bo) hosts, but I cannot seem to be able to send email between these to hosts, I know this is because the DNS lookup for that host is failing as I am only running a cacheing nameserver, so is there anyway to tell exim that if the DNS hostname lookup fails then to use the hosts table? Regards Graham. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chmod not working
>> i was messing with some permission to directory but i think i found a bug >> in chmod,i try to run "chmod 751" on my home directory (i put the content >> of the home directory on another partition because of lack of space on my >> root partition),but the permission is still drwxr-x--x,i even tried to run >> "chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=x" on it to no avail,does all this qualify as a bug >> ??? I think you have misunderstood some of what has been said in the replies, doing a chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=x or chmod 751 on a directody will give it the permissions of drwxr-x--x as you say it has, so to me it looks like chmod had done what you asked. It may help us if you told us what you had the permissions set to before you tried to change them, and what you expect the result of the chmod command to be. Regards Graham >> p.s.the problem is just an annoyance as i can still access my home dir and >> run program from there. >> >> thanks. >> Alain >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetch Mail Problem
>> >> Either make a local account with the same username or make an alias that >> points to your local username. >> I don't really want to create another account if I can help it, but I tried making an alias for tht user in /etc/aliases but that didn't work either. It is just that the mail I recieve at my isp mail account can have up to 5 seperate email addresses but the are all sent to the one mail box, (i.e. I have one for webmaster, myself), so that would mean i would have to create an account for each email name i can have. Is there a way to tell fetchmail that the isp mail name relates to a different name on my box? I know that the error is being causes be exim as fetchmail defaults to send the mail to port 25. Graham >> >> >> On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131 wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I am trying to get fetchmail to get my mail from my isp, exept everytime I use >> > it (i.e. fetchmail -u ), I get an error from fetchmail >> > saying something about my local user name being different than my isp mail >> > name, How can i correct this? >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Graham >> > >> > >> > -- >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> >> George Bonser >> >> If I had a catchy quip, it would be here. >> >> http://www.debian.org >> Debian/GNU Linux ... the maintainable operating system. >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fetch Mail Problem
Hi, I am trying to get fetchmail to get my mail from my isp, exept everytime I use it (i.e. fetchmail -u ), I get an error from fetchmail saying something about my local user name being different than my isp mail name, How can i correct this? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Problem
>> >> >> On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Oz Dror wrote: >> >> > I have installed the latest version of kde from hamm >> > >> > when I type kde Why are you typeing this, KDE should be started from startx or xinit (maybe xdm/kdm even). Graham >> > I get the following error: >> > kde: error in loading shared libraries >> > /usr/X11R6/lib/libkdecore.so.0: undefined symbol: __ti8QListBox >> > >> > It is clear that one of the libraries that I am using is not up to date >> > >> I had the same problem. Installing all the latest referring packages >> (kde+libraries) from slink worked for me. >> (But its surely not a specific solution) >> >> cu >> >> florian attenberger >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stuck with only 1 xterm in X
>> a last question,does it possible in X to be logged on as several user at >> once (you see,have 2 xterm logged as root,one as alaint,etc...) after this >> is answered,i'll keep my mouth shut except when answering question (i >> found that i asked more than enough questions) ?? I do this quite alot, I run an xterm and then do su - , if your not logged in as root then you will be asked for that users password. Graham >> Alain >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Installation
>> Dear Sir/Madam, >> >> I am a Linux novice who would like to get started with Debian Linux. I >> currently have a Zenith Data Systems 486 33MHz SX with 16Mb of RAM, a 125Mb >> Hard Drive, a 1.44Mb floppy, and a VGA display. I have successfully >> installed the base system, unfortunately I would like to run X-window for >> Linux. I doubt that it would work on only a 125Mb hard drive, and I don't >> even have a CD-ROM. It would be nice if someone could steer me towards an >> inexpensive option for the minimum hardware required to run X. I have no >> real experience with UNIX or Linux and would like to use this system for a >> learning platform. I have attempted to install a IDE compatable CD-ROM on >> a Plug-and-Play compatable sound card but have not been able to get this >> set-up to detected or used by Linux. Could you offer any suggestions? > >you need a bigger hard disk,i use nearly the same computer ( 486/DX2 50 >mhz,16 MB ram,1.7 GIG hard disk,bare-bone vga) and yes i use X (on 16 >color except when running xquake,but even with this low end system,Star >Office run fine),about your CD,does your hard disk is IDE,if yes,plug the >CD on the same interface as the hard disk and put the jumper (if there's >one) on the slave setting (a manual help there but on my CD unit,it's >clearly marked). > > >> Might it be a better idea to aquire a new/er computer on which to install >> Linux. Could you please tell me the hardware which would keep me within a >> ~$500 budget ( I am a high school student with limited funds). Even a 386 >> type computer would be okay, if it works with Linux, but where could I find >> parts? I have a 14" VGA monitor which I'm planning to use with this >> system. My main problem is picking devices which are comptable with Linux, >> what would you recommend? Please offer any help you can. > >for a 500$ budget,you can buy a texas size hard disk (say in the 4 to 6 >GIG range). > >Alain > He's right, definitely a new hard drive. I installed Debian on a 100meg partition to test it out, and have since installed XWindows and KDE. Now I want to start adding some proper applications, and run out of room. However, I think a 4-6 gig is a bit overkill - just 1 gig would probably sort you out with all the Linux apps your'll need. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian2.0 and tetex
>I tried to install tetex today but one package (I think it was >tetex-base) still had the wrong version-number :( > >Anyone working on this? There is a version of tetex-base 0.9 to go with the available version of tetex-bin 0.9. It's somewhere on Debian's FTP server, here: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/slink/main/binary-i386/tex/ Just right-click on the tetex-base0.9 directory, and select 'save as'. It's not particularly stable, however. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound problems
>> > Tkdesk always looks for one at /dev/audio and tells me that it doesn't >> > exist. I know that /dev/audio doesn't exist but how do I get it there? I >> > looked for a sound card driver package, and only found AWE ones and nas. >> >> Have you recompiled your kernel with audio support? It's not enabled by >> default IIRC. > OK, I've just had exactly the same problem so I can help you on this one. First download the package kernel-source, and all the files it links to on it's page. Install them all. Also, download tk8.0, tk 8.0-dev, tcl 8.0 and tcl 8.0-dev. Install them. Now, change into the directory /usr/src/linux, then type 'make xconfig' while in X-windows. Configure all the options you want, including sound support. Save and exit. Now, in /usr/src/linux, type 'make dep ; make clean'. When that's done (assuming there were no errors), type 'make zImage'. When that's finished, go into directory /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/. Your new kernel, called zImage, should be there. Now, if you boot off floppy, just replace the kernel image on your floppy disk with zImage, and reboot with the floppy in. Incidentally, after doing all this, I still get patchy midi sound through kmidi. It will play bits (the same bits each time) of a song, then just stop playing until a new song starts. Can anyone help me on this? Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde : using kdm instead of xdm
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131 wrote: >> >> > I am trying to use kdm instead of xdm, but when I run it I can not login it >> > just says 'login failed'. I know the password I am using is correct. I am >> > wondering if it is because I have shadow passwords installed. Has anyone else >> > had this problem? >> >> I have just started using it and have always had shadow passwords on. Did >> you install the debian archive kde or the kde deb files from the kde site? >> I used the ones that I found inbetween hamm and Incoming on >> ftp.debian.org. Cheers. I used .deb file but not from the debian site as they are beta2, I have bete3 from the kde site as it come in .deb format. I think what Paolo suggested will work, but I am sure I have seem a seperate script for kdm (to replace the '/etc/init.d/xdm' script) but I can't remember where I found it, I think this may have been ok KDE's web site so I will check again there, but I will try Paolo's suggestion first, unless anyone could tell me the address of this supposed script is. Thanks Graham >> -- >> Colin Telmer, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <http://www.telmer.com> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde : using kdm instead of xdm
Hi all, I am trying to use kdm instead of xdm, but when I run it I can not login it just says 'login failed'. I know the password I am using is correct. I am wondering if it is because I have shadow passwords installed. Has anyone else had this problem? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Beta-3
>> > trying to install KDE beta-3, I have downloaded the .deb files and I am >> > trying to install them but it is saying that I need libgif2 or greater, Does >> > anyone know where I can get this from as I can't find it anywhere? And is it >> > avaliable in .deb format? >> >>KDE is sort of a non-Debian *.deb. As I understand it the package was made by >> the KDE folks and is still pretty broken. I found it was interesting that it >> installs itself into /opt rather than /usr/local or some other standard directory. >> My solution was to kill the package and to wait until there is real Debian support >> for it. I ran it on my RedHat system before I upgraded my RedHat Dist and Beta-3 ran ok not many problems at all. I would but I don't like many of the others window managers. /opt is new directory in the FHS if i remember correclty, Netscape Communicator 4 will install itself in there if if exists by default to. Regards Graham >> >> -- >> Regards,|Debian GNU/__ o http://www.debian.org >> . | / /__ _ _ _ _ __ __ >> Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |// /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ >> |...because lockups are for convicts... >> |What is or why Linux? Click on the below: >> http://www8.zdnet.com/pcmag/pctech/content/16/13/os1613.001.html >> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian?
> There is no "better" distribution. It is a matter of taste and style. >I like slackware, but it has no package system. :) I find Debian to be a nice >combination in between. It has a good package system and does not seem to have >as many bugs as redhat. Although I could be wrong since red hat has a lot of >patches. Try them yourself and get a feel for it. > > >Carroll Kong > >On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Chris de Weth wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I was just wondering if anyone can tell me why so much people use Red >> Hat linux? To me it seems that they have a far greater community to >> support others questions. >> I'm thinking of going to use Linux at work, so security is quite >> important. From a friend I just got this list address, and I don't know >> where to ask this question to Red Hat users. Maybe someone can tell me >> what distribution is better? >> >> Well, security is definitely prioritised a lot with Debian - one of the first questions it asks you is whether you want to install shadow passwords. I haven't had any real problems with my Debian 1.3 then 2.0 frozen systems - with that superb package system it all works fine. However, Red Hat is supposedly a lot easier to use. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Beta-3
>Hi all, > >I am trying to install KDE beta-3, I have downloaded the .deb files and I am >trying to install them but it is saying that I need libgif2 or greater, Does >anyone know where I can get this from as I can't find it anywhere? And is it >avaliable in .deb format? Providing you have installed KDEsupport, which provides libgif2, you don't need libgif 2. As it says in the KDE FAQ, just type dpkg -i --force-depends .deb and it will ignore all dependencies for that package. > >Also if you install a .tgz format program (i.e. source compile and install) how >do you tell dpkg that the required files are installed, as doesn't it look at >its package database to se if the .deb package it needs is installed? > >Regards > >Graham > > Again, just use force-depends to overide dependencies, and hopefully it should work. Incidentally, I think I remember you when I was trying to get KDE beta 3 to work myself - if it was you, then thanks, as I eventually got it up and running! Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE Beta-3
Hi all, I am trying to install KDE beta-3, I have downloaded the .deb files and I am trying to install them but it is saying that I need libgif2 or greater, Does anyone know where I can get this from as I can't find it anywhere? And is it avaliable in .deb format? Also if you install a .tgz format program (i.e. source compile and install) how do you tell dpkg that the required files are installed, as doesn't it look at its package database to se if the .deb package it needs is installed? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: equal interrupts
>> hi everybody, >> >> i have a problem with my pci-bios : it assigns the same interrupt on two >> different devices (SCSI and USB) as you can see in the attachment. >> >> i would not really care about it if i had no problems with recording >> cd's. my question is if this is normal or an error of the bios ?? I had this problem with my Abit-lx6 motherboard when I got it, I even resorted to emailing abit tech support but to no avail, so I tried moving the scsi card to another slot and 'hey presto' they now use different irq's. Abit did reply and said that the USB controller shares an irq with one of the pci slots, in my case it was the shared pci/isa slot. Hope this helps Graham >> Very much thanks !!! Bye bye >> >> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 2.0
> A get a mixed bag from this a lot of people say Debian 2.0 is stable >and fine to upgrade from 1.3. Then.. there are people who say that Debian 2.0 >breaks applications. I am willing to upgrade again... but these are my >concerns. > >last time i did it.. all went well. but X was killed. I do NOT think i upgrade >the X package to get glibc2 X libs. Is this the cause? And... after upgrading >libs, I can just run the Accelerated X binary and I should be ok? (somewhat >answered before, but i want to verify, all i do is do minimal installation for >x, right?) > >I run Bind (forgot which ver... pretty sure the newest one) > >Sendmail 8.8.8 > >apache httpd (pretty sure the newest one) > >staroffice > >file runner > >pine and fetchmail > >netscape 4.05 > >xwpe (Windows Programming Environment) > >Can anyone see any impending problems with me "upgrading from 1.3R6" to 2.0? I >think I can fix the X problem... that is the main thing. Plus.. it would be >bad >if any of the apps I mentioned above fail or act oddly in Debian 2.0. If there >is ANY oddity... please tell me. I do not want to upgrade if that is the >case... > >Thanks in advance guys, this will save me a lot of trouble! > > >Carroll Kong > > Well, when I upgraded I found that a lot of my old programs had dependencies that conflicted with new versions - qt1 and qt1g for example. Basically, you should try and upgrade in one go, downloading new versions from either stable or unstable, and not mixing the two too much. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GIMP How is it?
>> >Hi, >> > >> >I saw the linux journals write-up on gimp, now i would like to ask the >> >question, how does it stack up against commercial or established shareware >> >products? >> > >> >thanks, >> > >> >allan bart >> > >> > >> If you've got a PC, it's somewhere between version 3 and 4 of the >> shareware program Paint Shop Pro. >> > >Opinions will vary. IMHO it's an excellent program. The interface and options >are more akin to PhotoShop and NOT Paint Shop Pro (eeec). > > Well, I do prefer some of PSP's little touches, such as being able to set the brush size quickly, and not go through a seperate menu. But I don't want this turning into another Win95 vs Linux wars. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really have to use .deb to install anything?
>Do you really have to use a .deb installer file for every program you want >to install? > >Thing is that I accidently downloaded the wrong netscape (v4.2 or something >similar) and it was 8 megs long so it took 2 hours on my humble 14.4 > >Anyway, it wouldn't work because the .deb installer is for 3.01 so I got >that version (only 2 megs) and it worked. > >I'm sure that if I had a .deb installer for v4.2 (or whichever it is) then >it would work in Debian, but we have to wait for a .deb file don't we?? > >So is there a way of installing a program in a tar.gz file without a .deb >file? All gunzip gives me is the filename of the zip file minus the .gz bit. >In DOS there's quite a nice zip utility called pkware which unzips a package >of files which includes an executable installer. Surely that's a much better >way of doing things? > >Also, this may detract some people from debian linux or indeed any of the >linux distributions in favour of Win95 + NT + DOS, because you can't get the >latest version of anything, and many Win95 + NT + DOS people are very much >concerned with getting the very latest version of a program such as >netscape, but with linux they'll have to install an older version of >everything unless it's supported as a patch or comes with a .deb file. > >Does the new replacement for dselect do this?? > Well, firstly there's a 4.2 debian installer package, which you could have downloaded instead. Secondly, if you type tar xvzf .gz, it should unzip it properly. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GIMP How is it?
>Hi, > >I saw the linux journals write-up on gimp, now i would like to ask the >question, how does it stack up against commercial or established shareware >products? > >thanks, > >allan bart > > If you've got a PC, it's somewhere between version 3 and 4 of the shareware program Paint Shop Pro. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debia 2 what does give us?
> >Hi, > >i was just in j&r in new york city and you should see all of the linux cd >sets, i see that they even haven have debian book sets. i wanted to ask >if anyone here has used applixware or smartware on their linux based >systems? how do you make the software compatible with debian- seems that >they are using rpm as the packaging system. > >thanks, > >allan bart > > If you download the Debian package Alien, you should be able to turn rpms into deb packages. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is XF86_SVGA package?
>Hello all, > >I have installed debian 1.3.1 and few other packages. I want to set up X >now and would like to know what packages do choose? can it be done form >the command line? Where are the packages(On the CDROM) that deals with X >server, configuration files and X softwares??? > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you. > >Regards, > >sohel > > Basically, you need these packages from the stable/X11 directory on the website (don't know where they are on the CDROM): xbase xfntbase xfnt75 xserver-VGA16 xlib6g Copy all these files into a directory on your Debian partition, then change into that directory and type: dpkg -i name-of-file.deb If it comes up with any error messages asking for other files, download those files, install them using that method, then reinstall the file. Repeat this for all the files. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: your mail
> > >On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Valerie CAYOL wrote: > >> I have been desperatly trying to install linux debian >> on my pc. I am using a CD provided by the magazine dream, >> and so far I have performed the basic installation. >> Severall problems have appeared : >> 1- in the section of the configuration called Configure device driver I was >> not able to find the internet card I am using. >> This card is compatible Ne 2000, at irq = 11 and io = \0xFF80. But >> specifying these values caused the installation to fail, >> so I did not give any devide driver and of course the network connection >> does not work. Does anyone know what I can do about that ? > >I have used a lot of ne cards but have yet to see one with io=ff80. The >usual values are 280-360. If you are using w95 to get these values look >again and see if there is not something in that range. > > >> 2- I don't unsderstand how dpkg works and how to start it. >> It is supposed to be simple so I really think I missed something. When >> writing simply dpkg I get a simple help. > >To install a deb package abc_1.2-1.deb I would issue the command:- >dpkg -iGE /path/to/abc_1.2-1.deb. It will be installed if there are no >un-met dependancies. > >> 3- Instead of using dpkg, I tried to use dselect to install x11, and then I >> was asked many questions I did not know the answer of : mouse devise, >> monitor resolution and frequency, >> etc ... >> Is there a way to restart this installation ? > >Just run dselect again, I guess. That sounds like the XF86Setup file. To rerun it, just type XF86Setup at the prompt - you don't have to reinstall the package. > >> Is there a way to know what questions will be asked in advance >> in order to avoid leaving blank answers ? >> Can't all this be done automatically as it is the case for >> windows, for instance ? > >No. Linux users are given credit for both knowledge and brains so you >must make the effort to get the figures. Either from a manual or >sometimes the frequencies are on the back of the monitor. > >A cheap monitor should be able to do 30-38 Khz horizontal and 50-80 Hz >vertical so you will not hurt anything if you specify these in the >meantime, though the result be be a lot of flicker. > >> >> Thank you for your help, >> I know theses are many questions, > > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Lindsay Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perth, Western Australia >voice +61 8 9316 248632.0125S 115.8445Evk6lj Debian Unix >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > >-- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDElibs vs qt1 and libgif2
>Matt Kennedy wrote: > >> library files needed to run KDE on Debian (I think it takes care of >> libgif2). You also need to get QT version 1.3 or better. KDE's site has a >> link to Troll Tech who makes QT where you can get the current version 1.33. > > >I found that KDE required QT1, but the package from Troll Tech installs >itself >as QT > > There is a QT1 file, I've just downloaded it. I think it's in /debian/project, and follow a few of the links from there. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LibICE and general X install
>When trying to install lib6 and many x-related packages to get x running, I >keep being unable to install them, as dpkg tells me that I haven't got >libICE something-or-other. I looked thru www.debian.org/packages and can't >find it. > I got this when installing xlib6. However, I just installed it with dpkg -i --force-depends xlib6*.* This forces dpkg to ignore all dependencies, and xlib6 seems to run perfectly. >Also one of the packages says it needs ccp whatever that is. That's just a package, available from Debian. Try searching for ccp. > >Also, when I'm trying to install xserver (the S3 version) I'm told it can't >find a mouse at /dev/mouse because it doesn't exist. I know it doesn't but >don't know how to get it... > >Plus, whenever trying to run xdm the screen completely packs in and I have >to reboot. > >I'm told I should run XF86Setup but it says it's not there despite >instructions in x's doc files. > Try running /usr/sbin/xbase-configure If that doesn't work, type find / -name "xf86config*" to look for the the text-based config file, then run that. >Basically x won't install at all. > > > > >-- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mouse
Hi, I have a microsoft ps/2 mouse with the wheel and I was wondering if the wheel could be used as a third button under X? as it can be under Win95. If so what do I set the mouse up as? I have tried saying that the mouse is three buttons but It doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:
>Hi, > >When I install Debian packages (from diskette) using dselect, I am asked >for the packages.gz. Where can I get this file? > > >Best Regards, > >Chee Seng >([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Just type 'scan' when it asks you for it, and it will add all the files on the disk instead of using a package.gz file. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE
>> >> There are kdelibs and kdesupport Debian packages on your site; is there >> >> a kdebase one on the way too? >> >> Check out www.kde.org there ftp site contains .deb packages for the latest >> release, and I think the files you are after are there to from what I can >> remember. >> >> Regards >> >> Graham > >Out of curiosity, are they libc5 or glibc? > > They're libc5. They offer a glibc version for RPM users, but not for Debian packages. I did however find a glibc version of kdebase, in /debian/project/experimental directory of Debian's FTP server. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE
>> There are kdelibs and kdesupport Debian packages on your site; is there >> a kdebase one on the way too? Check out www.kde.org there ftp site contains .deb packages for the latest release, and I think the files you are after are there to from what I can remember. Regards Graham >> -- >> >> Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) >> >> All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE
There are kdelibs and kdesupport Debian packages on your site; is there a kdebase one on the way too? -- Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MetroX
>> On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131 wrote: >> >> > I would like to use MetroX instead of XFree86 and I was wondering how I >> > should install it, it comes as an rpm, do I use the Alien Package or is >> > there another way? I noticed a MetroX deb file in the contrib (i think) >> > directory, and I was wondering what this was, as it can't be the server >> > as it is to small? If alien is used then will it create all the >> > symlinks that are needed or will I have to do them manually? >> >> Hmm IMHO XFree86 *is* faster than metrox on my current S3Virge. >> >> Comments anyone? It may well be faster for your S3Virge but I have a ATI Mach 64 Graphics Expression (which XFree86 Supports) but I find MetroX faster, I am also upgrading my video card to a Matrox Millenium II 8Mb, and I have been told that the MetroX drive is alote better that the XFree86 one. Graham >> regards, >> >> == == Andre M. Varon Lasaltech Incorporated >> == == Technical Head Fax-Tel: (034)435-0836 >> == = == >> ==== == E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> == WebPage : http://andre.lasaltech.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MetroX
Hi all, I would like to use MetroX instead of XFree86 and I was wondering how I should install it, it comes as an rpm, do I use the Alien Package or is there another way? I noticed a MetroX deb file in the contrib (i think) directory, and I was wondering what this was, as it can't be the server as it is to small? If alien is used then will it create all the symlinks that are needed or will I have to do them manually? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: request for Debian 2.0 features
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, pgarcia wrote: > >> Could someone please summarize the main changes in the upcoming Debian 2.0 >> release? Does it include the filesystem changes in FHS 2.0? I noticed >> that on the ftp doc/package-developer/ directory, the old fsstnd-1.2 files >> are still there. > >The main feature of Debian 2.0 will be libc6 (aka glibc2). We support >compilation for both the old libc5 and the new libc6, as well as all old >packages in a seamless manner. We are still based on FSSTND 1.2, we plan >to move to FHS 2.0 in Debian 2.1 > Does that mean that all the old packages will be updated to use libc6 instead of libc6? I think they'll incompatible on my mahcine for some reason. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Design of Debian web site
>For those of you who don't know, I am the current webmaster for Debian. >I just heard of this thread yesterday and was going to read the debian-user >archive, but won't bother as the discussion has been moved. Future replies >will not go to debian-user so subscribe to debian-www if you are interested in >this. > >Thomas Apel wrote: >> Concerning the topic I think the most important thing about the Debian >> www site is its content. Besides this it should be fast-loading and easy >> to use with any browser. >> >> But I also think that a good design is a nice thing AND possible without >> loosing the above attributes. Good design does not necessarily mean >> frames, tons of graphics or java animations. >> >If you had been involved in previous discussions, you would know that >the developers felt very strongly that there should be NO forms or java >on the pages and that the amount of graphics should be minimized. >Tables are well enough supported now that there is no problem in using them. > >> Who is interested in what I think of might have a look at: >> http://www.koeln.netsurf.de/~thomas.apel/debian/index.html >> >> Although this is a pretty simple page compared to many other sites I >> could even imagine a more simple page without tables. >> >The page you designed is very much along the lines I had been thinking about. >Many people have been complaining (and just as many complimenting) the site. >I have encouraged every person who has written complaining about the site to >offer suggestions and not a single one has actually come back with anything >constructive. Thank you for your effort. > >I have been working on getting all the mirrors set up so we can easily handle >multiple languages (will be done using content negotiation). It was originally >hoped that the pages would be translated by the release of 2.0. As that >doesn't appear likely, it would be best to make these modifications before >a major translation effort to minimize the work of the translators. > >Here are some points that should be addressed/discussed: > > Should we only redesign the top page, or modify all the pages to use frames > (in particular the left margin or top frame to ease moving around the site)? > My feeling is to leave the other pages as is. > > There should be a place for the Debian logo (do not start a discussion on > the quality of the logo. This will be discussed somewhere else). > > Should we use style sheets? > > Is there any point in keeping the site index? I inherited it and have (sort >of) > maintained it, but don't see the point. > > There needs to be space at the bottom for the logo of the site sponsor. > > After the pages are translated, there will be links at the bottom to > access the page in specific languages. This is for those who don't set up > the preferred_language variable in their browser. > > FYI, it has been my intention to have the actual web pages generated using > m4. > This would allow us to have a generic header and footer (for each language) > and have time stamps be generated automatically. Modifying the header or > footer in the past has been a royal pain as every page had to be changed by > hand. > > Is it necessary to have both the left frame and titlebar links? > > A few specific changes: > We go International -> Debian goes International (We doesn't work well >here) > Bug Tracking -> Bug Tracking System > > >Jay Treacy > > Why don't you start a competition? Invite everyone to have a go at redesigning a set part of the site, then take the best ideas and apply them to the whole site. Just an idea. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Packages
Hi all I was looking at Debian's WWW site today at the package listings, and I noticed that for the packages the source is avvaliable in three different formats, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the differences are in these three formats. they are .dsc .orig.tar.gz .diff.gz I guess the .orig.tar.gz ones are standard tar.gz files but what are the .dsc and diff.gz formats? Regards Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: smbclient interface
>> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Paul Miller wrote: >> >> : >> : Is there a smbclient interface that is something like mc's ftp interface? >> >> Nope, at least not that I'm aware of. I don't know about mc's interface but if you are using the KDE Desktop (which is now avaliable in deb format) there is a frontend to samba in there called ksamba, chack out www.kde.org for more details. >> Though I have some good news :) In one of the next releases of samba, it's >> very likely a tool called "smb2www" will be packaged with the samba package >> (upstream). smb2www consists of a few cgi-bin perl scripts, and shows your >> local Network Neighboorhood using your webserver. So browsing becomes >> possible ;) >> >> >> bye, >> Remco >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hardware question.
Hi, >> Hi, >> >> I am looking at a new computer for my parrents to get me for college... I >> looked at the hardware howto but somethings arn't listed so heres >> what I am looking at getting. >> >> Tiger K6233 customize it yourself kit. >> it contains: Sounds like a good choice. >> a ATX motherboard with the VIA 590vp2 chipset... can anyone tell me if >> this will work with debian? ... it says it suports UDMA which AFAIK in not >> suported by linux ... the motherboard uses a award bios... does anyone out >> there have one of these mobo's... can I turn of UDMA? I don't know about the motherboard, but I know that some can cause problems, but I have never had any. UDMA as far I as know can not be disabled. I have friends that have had to disable the cache while installing but after that it seems to work fine. dunno why this is though. >> a Generic S3 Virge video card ... will most of these work? Sounds fine, but it may be worth checking out just to make sure. >> will a udma hard drive work in ide mode ... All hard drives I have had are backwards compatiable and YES a UDMA hard drive will work in standard IDE or E-IDE modes, it just won't be as fast as it could be. >> the other hard drive I am looking at uses the interface mode called >> "EIDE mode 4" what is this and will it work? This is refering to the data transfer mode that the Hard Drive uses. i.e. Most newer drives are Mode 4, but before UDMA, the standard E-IDE ones were of mode 1,2,3 or 4, I have not found any hard drive that is incompatiable and I have got all mode 4 drives, even my E-IDE cdrom drive is mode 4. But like yourself I do not think the UDMA support is avaliable at the moment, but it will still work. The only thing I would say is that check out if linux has a limitation of the size of a partition, I don't know if it does as I have never come across this problem but I may exist. But I am sure someone else on this list will be able to fully answer that question. The only things you have'nt said is memory, I would go for 64Mb but 32 would be acceptiable but as usual, more is better, especially when using X, also will you be using a sound card i.e. is it plug and play or not. >> -Thanks. >> >> -K >> Kevin Poorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Do the Free-Ride >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/etc/modules
Hi all, Just a quicky, I have just compiled sound support (as a module) into my kernel and want to load the sound module everytime I boot, I places 'sound' in the /etc/modules files , where all the other modules are listed i.e. vfat, ne etc but when I boot it says it can't find the module sound. 'insmod sound' works fine, so what hive i done wrong? Regards Graham P.S. Any Idea when Hamm is to be released? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Win95's FAT32 & Linux
Hello, I have just upgraded my windows 95 system to version 2 and I have used the FAT32 file system, but I am now unable to mount this partition under Linux, is this possible at when it was FAT then I just used the vfat module but this does not seem to work. Any ideas? Also when I try to install LILO I keep get an error saying that it cannot access the drives, I currently have 3 hard drives in my system 2 on the primary controller (which is running my windows 95 system) and 1 on the secondary controller (which is running Linux) can anyone tell me why LILO won't install? This has ment that I have to boot Linux from floppy (using the boot disc created when I installed my kernel). Is there ny program avaliable that would create my lilo.conf file for me as liloconfig does not seem to do this anymore. Finally can anyone tell me why linux is not finding my new memory, I have just upgraded from 64Mb to 128Mb, and Linux still thinks I only have 64Mb, I have been told to add MEM=128 to the LILO prompt (i.e. linux mem=128) but I cannot do this because of the LILO problem I am having. Regards Graham -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What SCSI should I buy?
>> Nico De Ranter wrote: >> > >> > >> > Howdy, >> > >> > a friend of mine wants to buy a scsi-card. His options are: >> > >> >Adaptec 2940 UW 300$ >> >Adaptec 2930 (U) 180$ >> >Advansys UW180$ >> >Advansys U 150$ >> >Diamond fireport (UW ?) 180$ >> >> The only semi-viable choice is the 2940UW.. The Buslogic cards are my >> current favorite. >> I have an adaptec 2940 AU scsi card ad there have been problems with it under Linux, it seem to work fine, exept when I got to dos/windows, on reboot the card hands the scsi bus and my machine won't boot. So If i were you then I would go for a 100% Linux compatible card i.e. a Busligic. >> Tim >> >> -- >> (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - >> http://www.buoy.com/~tps >> "Great successes are built on taking your negatives and turning them around." >> -- Sumner Redstone >> ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** >> >> >> -- >> E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Serial Ports.
Hi, Does anyone know why on boot up my Serial ports are displayed as /dev/tty00 and /dev/tty01? I have tried running the 0setserial script from /rc.boot/ (i think thats correct) and that says they are /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1 but it also produces a wierd error, something like; cannot get serial info: not a typewriter Does anyone know what this error means? or what i can do to fix it and where the serial ports are set up on boot (i.e. what init script). I have serial support compiled as a kernal module and it is loaded on boot but that puts an error message in /var/log/messages but i can't remember what it is, something to do with an option. Regards Graham -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Smail/Sendmail Question
>> Hi! >> >> >> > mfrattola> localhost mail deliver locally don't rewrite header >> > mfrattola> LAN mail deliver thru eth0 don't rewrite header >> > mfrattola> internet mail deliver thru ppp0 rewrite header >> > >> >This is possible by >> > a) defining mailers, and modifying sendmail.cf to add a inexpensive >> > smtp mailer (copy the smtp mailers and call them lsmtp et akk >> > b) look at ruleset 1 and prevent rewrites for the LAN, while allowing >> > rewrites for external addresses >> >> I wrote such m4s. I don't think they're perfect, but they work !-) >> I offer to share em. shall I send em to the list? I would like them if possible, as this is exactly what I am still trying to get working 100%, you can always email them to me directly if you would prefer. Would Qmail be any better at doing this type of thing. Or how easy is it to translate sendmail m4 config file to smail or qmail configs. Regards Graham >> Regards >> Rainer >> >> --- >> KeyID=58341901 fingerprint=A5 57 04 B3 69 88 A1 FB 78 1D B5 64 E0 BF 72 EB >> >> >> -- >> E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Getting Mail From POP3 Servers
Hello all I'm still trying to get smail working like I want, but I think I am nearly there thanks to all your help. But I have another question. How can I get my internet mail to my mail server from my isp's pop3 server, so that my promailrc file will filter all my mail both internet and local, I am currently using fetchmail to do this but it doesn't seem to use procmail so all my internet mail is getting placed in /var/spool/mail/ is there away to do this or will I have to use something like UUCP or IMAP. I don't think UUCP will work though as my ISP is using Windows NT 4. Thanks again for the help will smail. Regards Graham. -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Formating a ftape tape?
>> >> Is there any way to format a Qic-80 tape on a ftape device? I don't >> feel like rebooting to Win95 just to do this. I know I can use mt to >> 'erase' the tape but that just erases the header on the tape. As far as I am aware then you can not use Linux to format these tapes, this may of course depend on what tape drive you are using, I used a dos based tape formatting program to do my tapes with, I think you can format them using dosemu but I'm not sure. But checkout the ftape howto that may answer you question better than I can. Graham >> >> Thanks. >> Brian >> -- >> Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis >> >> >> -- >> E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Smail/Sendmail Question
>> I found sendmail easier to setup than smail... others would probably >> disagree. I can belive that but ideally I would like to use smail but if sendmail will do what i want then i will use that. >> I have sendmail set up as : >> sendmail -bd -q 15m same as mine at the moment. >> I am using a win95 machine hooked to a linux machine which is on a dialup >> to an ISP. I am not, i have 3 linux server on as a mail server, web server, DNS Server and it is this machine that is used to dialup the internet and upload/download internet email. So it needs to be able to tell the difference between an internal bound email and an internet bound email. >> I just killed ppp on the linux machine and sent mail through it from the >> win95 machine. >> It queued the message then sent it out when pppupd reconnected. All well and good but what does it do why you try to send email destined for another user on the same server or to a different server. >> The outgoing server on the win95 machine must be kept as an ip address >> because the nameserver won't be running on the linux machine until it is >> connected to an ISP name service. e.g SMTP server 192.168.1.25 in my >> case. I works for me when i am connected but my email address is kept the same i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] not [EMAIL PROTECTED] as it should be, this prevents someone replying to that email as the return address is not valid. So i just get a reply saying that the internet isp's mail server cannot deliver the email. >> It did not change the headers at all. >> I can send you a copy of the config file (sendmail.cf) if you require. >> >> Ian >> Graham >> >> -- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > To: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Cc: debian linux >> > Subject: Re: Smail/Sendmail Question >> > Date: Monday, 9 March 1998 2:48 >> > >> > > Graham> Hello, I was wondering if the following is possible using >> > > Graham> either Smail or Sendmail, >> > > >> > > Simple in sendmail. >> > > >> > > Graham> What I want to do is to use smail or sendmail mail to deliver >> > > Graham> my internet email, The problem I have is that I need one of >> > > Graham> these packages to deliver any local mail or network mail to >> > ^^^^^^ >> > > Graham> the appropriate user/server, but to queue all internet email >> > ^^^^ >> > > Graham> until my dialup connection is established using ppp, I also >> > ^^^ >> > > Graham> need smail or sendmail to change the "from" address of the >> > > Graham> email to the address of my internet email account, (i.e. email >> > > Graham> bound for the internet needs the "From" address changed from >> > > Graham> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" which is my Linux box to >> > > Graham> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" my internet email account). >> > > >> > > Graham> Is this possible? if so how. >> > > >> > > __ >> > > OSTYPE(debian)dnl >> > > FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl >> > > define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `queue') >> > > MAILER(local)dnl >> > > MAILER(smtp)dnl >> > > Cwinternet.com >> > > MASQUERADE_AS(internet.com)dnl >> > > __ >> > >> > Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't this rewrite 'From' for every message, and >> not >> > only for those 'going out' of his LAN? >> > Also, doesn't confDELIVERY_MODE=queue queue all messages and wait for >> runq >> > to make the delivery? >> > >> > I'm asking these question 'cos I have the same problem. >> > -- >> > |||| ||| Marco Frattola Microsoft is not the >> answer >> > ||`..'|| |||... Piacenza, ItalyMicrosoft is the >> question >> > ||| ||| |||''[EMAIL PROTECTED]"No" is the answer >> > ||| ||| ||| www.enjoy.it/users/~mk/index.html Live Linux, live >> free! >> > >> > >> > -- >> > E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> >> >> -- >> E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Smail/Sendmail Question
>> >> Hi, >> >>"Graham" == Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131 writes: >> >> Graham> Hello, I was wondering if the following is possible using >> Graham> either Smail or Sendmail, >> >> Simple in sendmail. >> >> Graham> What I want to do is to use smail or sendmail mail to deliver >> Graham> my internet email, The problem I have is that I need one of >> Graham> these packages to deliver any local mail or network mail to >> Graham> the appropriate user/server, but to queue all internet email >> Graham> until my dialup connection is established using ppp, I also >> Graham> need smail or sendmail to change the "from" address of the >> Graham> email to the address of my internet email account, (i.e. email >> Graham> bound for the internet needs the "From" address changed from >> Graham> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" which is my Linux box to >> Graham> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" my internet email account). >> >> Graham> Is this possible? if so how. >> >> __ >> OSTYPE(debian)dnl >> FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl >> define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `queue') >> MAILER(local)dnl >> MAILER(smtp)dnl >> Cwinternet.com >> MASQUERADE_AS(internet.com)dnl >> __ >> >> Put that in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. Add in any other neat >> features. I also like I am assuming that where the above statement says internet.com that that is the domain of my internet email account, also what happens is my user name is different on the Debian box to my internet isp username? If possible could you explain that the above and below are doing? >> -- >> FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl >> FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl >> FEATURE(redirect)dnl >> define(`confME_TOO', True)dnl >> >> # anti spam hacks, but these need external files to be set up, so use >> # with care >> HACK(use_ip) >> HACK(check_rcpt4) >> HACK(check_mail2) >> -- >> >> Graham> Also is smail the default mail daemon of Debian? if so then >> Graham> using the default mail daemon would be preferable. >> >> Yes, it is. OOOps. Sorry, I do not do smail. >> >> manoj Graham >> -- >> Saint: A dead sinner revised and edited. Ambrose Bierce >> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> >> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E >> >> >> -- >> E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Smail/Sendmail Question
Hello, I was wondering if the following is possible using either Smail or Sendmail, What I want to do is to use smail or sendmail mail to deliver my internet email, The problem I have is that I need one of these packages to deliver any local mail or network mail to the appropriate user/server, but to queue all internet email until my dialup connection is established using ppp, I also need smail or sendmail to change the "from" address of the email to the address of my internet email account, (i.e. email bound for the internet needs the "From" address changed from "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" which is my Linux box to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" my internet email account). Is this possible? if so how. Also is smail the default mail daemon of Debian? if so then using the default mail daemon would be preferable. Regards Graham -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Virtual Consoles
Hi, Can anyone tell me why debian 1.3.1 uses agetty, instead of something like mingetty? I wish to screen to clear after booting my system but using agetty this is not possible, I have tried using mingetty and this does what I require, but I am wondering if there is anyreason agetty was chosen (i.e Does it support some features mingetty does not, when used for virtual consoles)? Regards Graham -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X install/config query
>> Hello: >> >> I recently installed Debian 1.3 on a '386, but apparently did not complete >> the process correctly. X was not configured (although everything else >> that I have tried seems to be). >> >> I cannot find 'xf86config' or 'XF86Setup' on the system. I made the smae mistake when I first installed Debain, I hadn't installed the xbase package, this includes the xf86config program and startx scripts and some other stuff. >> Should I remove X and re-install, or is there another way? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dean Provins Regards Graham >> >> >> -- >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEBIAN or REDHAT ?
Hi, >> Hi, >> >> I am currently using hamm and am very happy with it. I will be >> installing a new Linux system soon but everyone is telling me to install >> RedHat 5. Has anyone any opinions on this? I tend to be partial to >> Debian, especially with GNOME being integrated into hamm. However, I've >> never used Redhat. I have just switched from RedHat 5 to Debain 1.3.1, The main difference between the 2 is the installation routine. I personally think that RedHat's is better, but Debain seem to configure more on installation. >> Also, I've been advised that RedHat puts out security fixes the next day >> after a CERT advisory is released. How is Debian when it comes to >> security and other patches? When I was using bo, patches weren't released >> very often. Is this an indication that RedHat is more buggy, or is it an >> indication that Debian is more stable? For example, when the CERT >> advisory for SSH-AGENT was release over a week ago, one of the OSes that >> responded to the CERT advisory was RedHat. Much to my dismay, Debian >> wasn't one of the OSes that was mentioned on the CERT list. I ended up >> compiling SSH on my own. I have alos found that it seemed a lot of the packages avaliable under RedHat 5 were broken or just didn't work properly, so I had to get on the net and down load all the updates, which I don't particulaly expect to have to do when buying a commercial release of Linux. This maybe true but RedHat are a commercial organisationwho are paying people to write and fix code, Debain is not. At the momment I think that Debain is the better distribution for me anyway, but I do miss some of the tools avaliable under RedHat, like the control panel, and glint but I can live without them. >> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or tips. Its all really personal choice, I prefer Debain my Friends like RedHat. The choice is yours, but if you can I would try both. Graham >> -Ossama >> >> __ >> Ossama Othman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> --- PGP Keys --- >> Public: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_PUBLIC.asc >> REVOKED: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_REVOKED.asc >> >> >> >> -- >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Port Scanning
>> I think you could design a perl script or some kind of script for that if a >> icmp/udp/tcp is being done to your system at x amount of time you could use >> ipfwadm to block it. ipfwadm is a very powerful tool. I used to be port >> scanned daily and icmp attack, use ipfwadm to block it. >> >> > >> > >> > > > Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ? >> > > > I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 ! >> > > >> > > Firewalling or tcp_wrappers configured the right way. Just a quick question regarding port scanning, how do you tell that you have been scanned I assume it shows up in the log files. Alos if you decide to implement a firewall then you might want to check out TIS at www.tis.com (if i remember correctly) as the do a free firewall toolkit, you may also want to check out the socks package as well. Regards Graham >> > >> > tcp-wrappers will not stop you from being scanned. even if the port is >> > wrapped it will still show up as an open port to a scan. you also can't >> > wrap udp services. >> > >> > if you are paranoid enough that this is an issue i suggest you break out >> > a firewall book and ipfwadm and decide who exactly you want to be able to >> > talk to what on your box. >> > >> > > There is nmap in hamm that does the port scanning. >> > >> > there is also strobe that comes with the netdiag package... it's very >> > good. >> > >> > adam. >> > >> > Internet Alaska - >> > 4050 Lake OtisAdam Shand(v) +1 907 562 4638 >> > Anchorage, AlaskaSystems Administrator (f) +1 907 562 1677 >> > - http://larry.earthlight.co.nz -- >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> _ ,/| Chi Wong >>'\O.O'"Life is a shitload of TESTS !" >>=(_ _)= [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> |U| [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> / | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>//| \http://www.cif.rochester.edu/~phreak/main.html >> >> >> >> -- >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Matrox Millenium II again
>> I think Xinside Accelerated X 4.1 supports the Matrox Series. I thikn it is >> overall better than XFree86 since most of the drivers are optimized for the >> specific cards. As far as I know the Millenium II also works with MetroX, and yet again it is not free but it is a good package, and very easy to set up and get running. For more information check out the RedHat's site (www.redhat.com) as I can't remember the metrox web address. Regards Graham >> check it out youreself www.xinside.com >> >> The package doesn't come free though. It cost $100 but I think it is well >> worth it. >> >> > >> > Hello Debian-users, >> > >> > I have installed Debian Linux 1.3.1 (from InfoMagic CD-set dated >> > Aug 97). Next I would like to have XFree86 running, but with my >> > Matrox Millenium II I have faced some problems (I have Nokia 447Xpro >> > terminal with line frequency range from 30 to 96 kHz and refresh >> > frequency range from 50 to 150 Hz). I have made extensive search for >> > help through newsgroups and several Linux links. It seems that in this >> > mailing list there have been discussions about Millenium II as well. >> > But it seems to me that there are various ways to deal with this >> > problem and as a new Linux user I am a bit confused. XSuSE servers >> > have been mentioned, on the other hand somebody says that only latest >> > version of XFree86 is needed from XFree86 ftp site (they should have >> > experimental version that supports Millenium II). >> > >> > I have tried XSuSE-server. I strictly followed the instructions in their >> > web-page under "Installation of the XSuSE-X-Server", ie. I downloaded the >> > relevant *.tgz files (both the server and xf86config) and untarred them as >> > instructed. Then I run xf86config. If I then run XF86Setup, while >> > selecting card I get an error message. Matrox Millenium II is on the >> > list, but apparently cannot be selected. >> > >> > I would be extremely happy if somebody could write down short step by >> > step instructions for the XFree86 installation with Matrox Millenium II, >> > either with XSuSE-server or some other valid way. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Antti >> > >> > >> > -- >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> _ ,/| Chi Wong >>'\O.O'"Life is a shitload of TESTS !" >>=(_ _)= [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> |U| [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> / | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>//| \http://www.cif.rochester.edu/~phreak/main.html >> >> >> >> -- >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >> Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Sorry This is probably a stupid question.
Hi all, Sorry to ask this but what is hamm, I guess i should know, but I am new to this list, and Debain(after just moving from RedHat), so if someone could please let me know, I would be grateful, especially if anyone could give me the URL of any information. Regards Graham Lillico -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian Linux and Non-Free Packages.
Hello all, Could someone please explain the concept of Non-Free Packages please (i.e. Pine etc). It is just that I don't understand why other distributions can include them in there official releases, where as debain can not. Also on another note, does anyone knoe if there is a graphical front end to the ipfwadm (Firewall) program? If not then I am currently considering writing one. The current plan is to produce both a ncurses version, and a HTML version. But why reinvent the wheel if there is already one. Regards Graham Lillico -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xlib-3.3-5
I'm trying to install GNOME (from the source distribution, I'd like to work on it). However, obviously I need to install the gtk library, so I went to my local Debian FTP site to retrieve the gtk library as a debian binary package. However, libgtk requires xlib6g (amongst other things). I then retrieved the xlib6g_3.3.1-2.deb binary package, and attempted to install it. dpkg then informed me that xlib6g conflicts with xlib6 (<< 3.3-5) xlib6 (version 3.3-4) is installed. I therefore went back to my local Debian site to locate version 3.3-5 or large of xlib6. I can't locate it anywhere! Does such a package exist, and if not, what do I do now?? -- Robert Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] remove the nospam to reply -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Missing fsck
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Robert D. Hilliard wrote: > The installation finished without an fsck, which would prevent > normal booting. I had encountered this problem in an earlier test, and > was not sure if I had made the correct choices in the dselect (S)elect > phase, so I re-ran the installation, being very careful about my > choices. Same problem here. Not many details, as I simply fixed it and did not take any notes at the time, since I misdiagnosed it as some random screwup on my part. -- Todd Graham Lewis Manager of Web Engineering(800) 719-4664, x2804 **Linux** MindSpring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Migrating from Slackware to Debian?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Buhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kevin> Upgrading a Slackware system to anything (including a newer Kevin> Slackware system) is always "absolute madness", IMHO. Quite. The Slackware package system is very hands-off after you install the initial packages; I always ended up getting stuff from prep.ai.mit.edu and installing it myself, which was always a lot of fun. I don't think I ever got the uninstall option to work. Matter of fact, managing a Slackware system at all was always a lot of fun; at some point, I had to recompile XFree86. OTOH, I got an immense amount of Unix experience through it. I even brought my system through the a.out->ELF stage without nuking and rebooting. I would've killed for stow, though. (Thanks to whomever packaged it, BTW; helps me out a bunch in my /usr/local...). When I went to Debian, I backed up my /home directories, nuked the partition, and installed from scratch. There's really no better way to do it. - -- Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME OK, PGP preferred "One thing they don't tell you about doing experimental physics is that sometimes you must work under adverse conditions ... like a state of sheer terror." - W. K. Hartmann -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBM+bUwiqNPSINiVE5AQFIgwP+JjqKogiTu0EiKnU4//fckECTiPXGW7Vw bglt9R4g6lZvUsvzqEqg3jCu9NyzsCS8NAbuQ4DQDGndB/d+E8gn7dTBv1rcCo+e JUsSFk4ff4xtJAaKj6jTjsoMt+lfivLDNmg9P6slgw3XvMqmNSyeOBCE0l5OaY02 92aelR0k/MM= =X+R9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian-Lite : The Project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem with that is that there are TOO MANY packages available and > newbies end up getting into trouble by selecting additional stuff, hitting > the conflict resolution screen and getting totally lost. A mini-Debian > would never show any package selection screen at any point in the install > as I envision it. So that means that if I use a Debian-Lite install I can't ever upgrade to a full installation from there? I missed the original post, but keeping a dpkg/dselect around for the eventual upgrade to full Debian (which may never occur) seems perfectly reasonable. *Dropping* the newbie into dpkg/dselect is probably less so, but when they grow conversant I see no reason to deny them dpkg/dselect, or to force them to reinstall. - -- Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME OK, PGP preferred from stddisclaim import footer pgp_fingerprint = "E9 B7 5F A0 F8 88 9E 1E 7C 62 D9 88 E1 03 29 5B" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBM+VvLyqNPSINiVE5AQHA3gP8DJtxOB8Dev9MdyQLiFqq5Kz5wZg5pgf1 BMaOQCnsusog0ziNHW8KNF4OWnmsiaI4luhkd7NAqhUbT67wKVrEHRdg7+Vxj+lG YAVjMvf9mI3XRY+3gMznv46MCWRXx6Y+120VzpZNQiSP/2L2480HD0xi4jQGHDqq uKLb6GFnHA8= =uLcN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Sendmail broken (Debian 1.3)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- "D. W. Wieboldt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just built a new Debian 1.3 system from cdrom. Lots of things are running > just fine, but somehow sendmail doesn't work. I want sendmail on this one > so I can build a beeper gateway :-) Does anybody have any clues about what > I should be looking for? Aah. OK, here's the deal. Sendmail is not hanging. It is trying to do a local DNS lookup. Since you probably aren't connected to the 'net 24/7, it spends a couple of minutes timing out. This happens to me a lot. You have two options: put your hostname and IP address in /etc/hosts, or convince sendmail that it really doesn't need to do a DNS lookup. The second I don't remember how to do, but I think you can manage it from the M4 stuff (which is good; .cf files are very very ugly). LPRng does this too, I note, but it isn't nearly as easy to fix. - -- Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME OK, PGP preferred from stddisclaim import footer pgp_fingerprint = "E9 B7 5F A0 F8 88 9E 1E 7C 62 D9 88 E1 03 29 5B" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBM9qMiSqNPSINiVE5AQHa/gQAqv8fsM7fJgQmbZOSDCSvWuul+wpHqUTM HZvRMwfRZIvsrgFsSKz6e0YgF2Djnslgx+FUn63+wF2YeUhL4oR6JW+cZC9B4KGh ZTWZi/MMZxXRjhDiFFVYiTfVatxfAeox0cpkhZTLcl13p8c/DIf8bW1iUT4e3n1d MeY1qq0N9p0= =4dIt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Odd error message from Cron
I'm getting this quite a bit, and it's puzzling me. I'm not entirely sure *why* it seems to be whining at me. Any suggestions? -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon) Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> run-parts /etc/cron.daily Date: 20 Jul 1997 13:42:06 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + DAYS=35 + '[' -f /etc/apache/httpd.conf ']' + umask 022 ++ egrep -h '^[:space:]*[A-Za-z]*Log /' /etc/apache/access.conf /etc/apache/httpd.conf /etc/apache/srm.conf ++ sed 's/^ *//g' ++ cut -f 2 -d ' ' + LOGS=/var/log/apache/error.log /var/log/apache/access.log + '[' '/var/log/apache/error.log /var/log/apache/access.log' = '' ']' ++ egrep -h '^[:space:]*ServerRoot ' /etc/apache/httpd.conf ++ cut -f 2 -d ' ' + SERVERROOT=/etc/apache + '[' /etc/apache '!=' '' ']' + cd /etc/apache ++ egrep -h '^User [a-z]' httpd.conf ++ cut -f 2 -d ' ' + USR=nobody + '[' nobody = '' ']' ++ egrep -h '^Group [a-z]' httpd.conf ++ cut -f 2 -d ' ' + GRP= + '[' '' = '' ']' + GRP=www-data + '[' -f /var/log/apache/error.log ']' + savelog -c 35 -m 664 -u nobody -g www-data /var/log/apache/error.log + '[' -f /var/log/apache/access.log ']' + savelog -c 35 -m 664 -u nobody -g www-data /var/log/apache/access.log + trap '' 1 + killall -HUP /usr/sbin/apache + exit 0 shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories pgpJVvtrKGLdd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setting time via a server?
On 16 Jul, Stephen Witt wrote: > I have some experience with xntp on a group of Sun workstations I used > to have. xntp is a lot more sophisticated than just querying for the > time and setting it locally every n period of time. One thing I have noticed; PC clocks are pieces of junk. Mine drifts obscenely if I don't run xntp constantly. Now, I had a very nice connection for nine months out of the last year, and because of xntp, my clock was more accurate than the school's main bells. There's a down side, of course; it really works best when xntp can correct the drift whenever it feels like it. I have a (non demand based; we've only got the one line, and it's rude of me to snatch it away all the time) PPP connection now, and occasionally I lose several hours for obscure reasons, and have to reset my clock. I imagine this will be much better when I can get my authentic real connection again in a few months. -- Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME OK, PGP preferred from stddisclaim import footer pgp_fingerprint = "E9 B7 5F A0 F8 88 9E 1E 7C 62 D9 88 E1 03 29 5B" pgpIrYepO8xnL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: terminology/concept questions
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Re: hope to see ML to be included in future.
> > SML/NJ, Standard ML of New Jersey. > > > > O'Caml, Objective Caml. BTW, O'Caml is included already (see ocaml). Less work to do :-). -- Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME OK, PGP preferred from stddisclaim import footer pgp_fingerprint = "E9 B7 5F A0 F8 88 9E 1E 7C 62 D9 88 E1 03 29 5B" pgpQPukDGOZb7.pgp Description: PGP signature
gstep-base library use boundary="==_Exmh_12596774180"
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I've been interested in learning about Objective C, and figured I'd use
the gstep-base libraries packages with Debian.
My question is fairly simple: what link flags am I supposed to use?
A sample session is MIME-attached. Hints and suggestions would be really
appreciated, eh? ;-).
BTW, I'm using libc6-dev here.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% cat mytest.m
#include
#include
int main() {
id str = @"This is a test.\n";
printf("%s", [str cString]);
return 0;
}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% gcc -Wall -c mytest.m
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% gcc -o mytest mytest.o
mytest.o: In function `main':
mytest.o(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `objc_msg_lookup'
mytest.o: In function `global constructors keyed to main':
mytest.o(.text+0x59): undefined reference to `__objc_exec_class'
mytest.o(.rodata+0x8): undefined reference to
`__objc_class_name_NXConstantString'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% gcc -o mytest mytest.o -lobjc
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.2/libobjc.a(thr-posix.o): In function
`__objc_init_thread_system':
thr-posix.o(.text+0x3b): undefined reference to `pthread_key_create'
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.2/libobjc.a(thr-posix.o): In function
`objc_thread_create':
thr-posix.o(.text+0x95): undefined reference to `pthread_create'
thr-posix.o(.text+0xa5): undefined reference to `pthread_detach'
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.2/libobjc.a(thr-posix.o): In function
`objc_thread_yield':
thr-posix.o(.text+0xf4): undefined reference to `pthread_yield'
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.2/libobjc.a(thr-posix.o): In function
`objc_thread_set_data':
thr-posix.o(.text+0x14e): undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific'
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.2/libobjc.a(thr-posix.o): In function
`objc_thread_get_data':
thr-posix.o(.text+0x17a): undefined reference to `pthread_getspecific'
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.2/libobjc.a(thr-posix.o): In function
`objc_mutex_trylock':
thr-posix.o(.text+0x2b5): undefined reference to `pthread_mutex_trylock'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% gcc -o mytest mytest.o -lobjc -lpthreads
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `__libc_rewinddir'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `__libc_readdir_r'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `___sig_restore'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `__libc_opendir'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `__libc_closedir'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `__libc_seekdir'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `__libc_readdir'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `__libc_telldir'
/usr/lib/libpthreads.so: undefined reference to `___masksig_restore'
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Re: terminology/concept questions
> 1) Are shells geared toward specific tasks?... such as program creation, a > shell built to specifically offer enhanced compiling and program > generation capabilities? another perhaps for graphics of some sort? Not particularly. sh was the original Bourne shell; I think it was the first of the shells to come with a full programming language. Unfortunately, traditional sh isn't too kind on the interactive user, so Berkeley decided to fix this. Unfortunately, they threw out the language, too, and the result was csh, which is somewhat nicer for interactive work but an exceptionally poor choice for scripts (due to bugs, design decisions, etc.) The later model shells, tcsh and bash, are actually fairly close to each other. Bash included all of the interactive niceties from csh and more in an sh frame (which is what Berkeley should've done in the first place, IMHO), and tcsh fixes several of the traditional csh bugs. I still think bash is a better shell to use, but then I don't believe in csh and derivatives. A relatively new shell, zsh, promises the best of both worlds; it accepts traditional sh syntax, quite a bit of csh, and has some very nice features on the side. So basically you have something like a dozen shells running around that all do the same thing. -- Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME OK, PGP preferred from stddisclaim import footer pgp_fingerprint = "E9 B7 5F A0 F8 88 9E 1E 7C 62 D9 88 E1 03 29 5B" pgpTbVAlHiYCR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xemacs with auctex
> AUC TeX comes standard with XEmacs as of 19.14 at least. The trouble, > as far as I can tell, is that AUC TeX is there, but the menus are > broken. I built XEmacs 19.15 from a source tarball and found exactly > the same problem with the LaTeX menus, and with the Hyperbole menu. I > couldn't figure it out. :/ They're hardly broken. You just need to put (require 'tex-site) in your .emacs somewhere, same as you'd have to do with AUCTeX under FSF Emacs. This is documented in XEmacs NEWS, at least. -- Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME OK, PGP preferred from stddisclaim import footer pgp_fingerprint = "E9 B7 5F A0 F8 88 9E 1E 7C 62 D9 88 E1 03 29 5B" pgp7Z9L4rVGog.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, joost witteveen wrote: > It means that Linux has another extra feature (VC's) that most (all?) > other usixes don't have, but whether that means Linux is much > better than FreeBSD/SCO/NT, I really don't know (I don't use > the other systems) FreeBSD has virtual consoles as well. Ok, how's this for a killer Linux feature. killall(1). I f*cking _love_ killall; you just have to be careful not to use it on non-Linux systems. 8^) __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: > Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a "linux-only" one. __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: > Exactly what is this multi screen session concept that allows you > to type ALT-F4 and login again... I'd like to read the documentation on > this feature. 8^) This is one of many undocumented goodies which lie scattered throughout the Linux universe, waiting for you to stumble across them. It's called "virtual consoles", and alt-f[0-6] is the default configuration if I remember correctly. You have a whole bunch of consoles available from your single keyboard/monitor, and you can switch back and forth. (I'm writing this from F3, where I usually keep my mailbox with all of my mailing lists.) You could add more virtual consoles if you wanted, but you probably don't need to. Also, did you know that you can have a session going, quit from it, and resume that session later? You can, and the company that brings it to you is not AT&T. 8^) Do a man on screen and read for yourself. Next thing you know, you'll be playing with (ctrl-z, bg, fg, jobs) and command-line editing. Ain't Linux great? __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: syslog daemon is dying
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Branden Robinson wrote: > I have a similar problem (but I can eventually get syslogd and klogd to > both come up by "./etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" over and over again). I > did a test -e for every file mentioned in /etc/syslog.conf and got a 0 > status every time? > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? Yeppers; run strace. Mine dies when it tries to do gethostname on the local machine, which almost makes sense, since it is on a location on the network different from its destination, and the DNS server is unreachable right now. But then again, why is it not getting the localhost name from /etc/hosts? I have named set up in forwarder mode, (order host, bind). $0.02 __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clone(), and I don't mean threads.
I have a debian machine. It's got tons of stuff on it, but no package files. I have another machine, this one with no Linux at all on it. I insert a floppy into the second machine, attach a null-modem cable between the two, fire up the clone-server on the first machine, and start up the second. The second machine goes through the installation process. It calls the first machine to see what packages the first has installed. It then requests the full packages, which the first machine regenerates on the fly from it's disk of installed packages. To do this, you would have to keep some more state concerning the pristine state of config files, etc. (You don't, e.g., want the second machine to ge a copy of your passwd file.) Other than that, though, it'd be great if any Linux machine could serve as an installation base for any other machine you want to install on. It seems to be doable, and it'd really leverage off of the free nature of the beast. I can see it now; someone wants to install Linux on their machine, I just take my laptop, attach a cable, and let it go. No digging for a CDROM, you can just do it right there. I'm just dreaming, right? __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: catch 22?
Jim Pick wrote on 08 Aug 1996 04:44:21 +1000: wb2oyc> <...> In an effort to get a working 2.0.0 kernel with the wb2oyc> proper options <...> results in errors during the prerem wb2oyc> or postrem scripts for both the source and image package. Jim> I had the same problem with a virgin Debian 1.1 installation. Jim> I investigated and found that the kernel-image/kernel-source Jim> postinst and prerm scripts reference "#! /bin/perl". Jim> However, on my virgin Debian 1.1 installation, there was no Jim> symlink from /bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl! I manually created Jim> the symlink and that fixed the problem. This is Bug#3951 I think. I had the same problem. Cheers, Graham
Re: Installed from floppies, now what?
I personally find dselect very confusing. I install all packages using just dpkg (dselect is a front-end to dpkg). It is actually very easy. The only thing that is more difficult is in manually dealing with dependencies between packages. The simplest thing to do is to identify any packages you want, e.g., minicom, ppp, etc. Download your selected packages from any Debian archive (best to get them from the stable distribution). For the two I mention above, this would be: stable/binary-i386/comm/minicom_1.75-1.deb stable/binary-i386/net/ppp_2.2.0f-2.deb Once you have them on your Linux box you should check what other packages they depend on: $ dpkg --info minicom_1.75-1.deb This lists various things about the package. Look for a line that begins with "Depends: " You can do a "dpkg --list" to see if you have all of the required packages. If so, then simply install the new package: $ dpkg --install minicom_1.75-1.deb This actually unpacks the package and then configures the package. If you don't like the package you can simply remove it with: $ dpkg --purge minicom It removes all files that were installed and undoes appropriate configurations. Hope this helps. (My Linux box is home at present so I'm working from memory but I've done this often enough to be pretty sure it's correct. The "--help" option of dpkg lists all available options.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED],--_|\ Tel: (+61 6) 216 7042 Senior Research Scientist, Data Mining / \ Fax: (+61 6) 216 7112 CSIRO Div of Info Tech, Aust Nat Univ \_.--_*/ GPO Box 664 Canberra http://www.dit.csiro.au/~gjw> v ACT 2601 Australia
Info on kernel-image packages?
Susan G Kleinmann wrote on 03 Aug 1996 20:14:45 +1000: Susan> ... Susan> Yes, you need a kernel with special support for the mouse Susan> compiled in. Reading the 'config-?' files in Susan> buzz-fixed/disks-i386/special-kernels it appears that all Susan> of the special kernels there have support for the PS/2 Susan> mouse incorporated as a module. Several other types of bus Susan> mice are supported as well. Apart from doing a diff on these config-? files, is there any documentation on what each version of the kernel-image contains. Is it also correct to assume that the -0 one is the default that ships with Debian? Thanks
Retraction: Re: Potential problem with stable
Well, it looked like it was hanging. After I posted my report, I decided to let one go and see what happened. Turns out my machine was just really slow in doing the sed script. These things happen on a 386 with no math coprocessor. Never mind _ Todd Graham LewisCore Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Standard Disclaimers) (800) 719 4664, x2804
Potential problem with stable
Hello, all. I just switched from RedHat to Debian on my home machine, and I am very impressed. I needd a number of packages, set the ftp install running, went to bed, and woke up to the configuration script. This and tons of other stuff has almost completely converted me. This is a problem which people have referenced on linux.dev.kernel, but I figured that I'd follow the advice I give to others, and come here first. When I try to remake my kernel, the `make dep` hangs and starts chewing CPU. Below are the last 10 lines of the strace: >>> write(1, "rm -f .hdepend\n", 15)= 15 brk(0x8033000) = 0x8033000 sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [HUP INT QUIT TERM XCPU XFSZ], NULL) = 0 fork() = 5680 sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL) = 0 wait4(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0], 0, NULL) = 5680 write(1, "gawk -f scripts/depend.awk `find"..., 113) = 113 sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [HUP INT QUIT TERM XCPU XFSZ], NULL) = 0 fork() = 5681 wait4(-1, <<< As you can see, it hangs, apparently, in the middle of a "wait" call and just shoots the loadavg through the roof; it has to be killed after that. I have a clean 1.1-stable release that I installed three days ago. Nothing is on the machine not from a .deb package other than ssh. I did apply Alan Cox's suggested kernel patch. 386/40, 16MB RAM, 1.0GB IDE, etc. Feel free to email me instead of cluttering the list. If anyone needs more info, I'm happy to provide it. If I do figure it out, I'll be sure to post the answer here. TIA, and keep up the good work. Todd _ Todd Graham LewisCore Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Standard Disclaimers) (800) 719 4664, x2804
