Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Hello All, By mistake this thread has been going only to Steven Grunza. I'm reposting to the whole list for help. Regarding installing onto the USB hard drive... I booted from USB thumb drive, then tried to install from that (using its built-in Debian Installer) onto a USB hard drive. That also failed, same problem as when I attempted to install to a 2nd USB thumb drive: GRUB failed (automatically) and then LILO failed (manually selected). I aborted the installation. Unfortunately, the experiment failed. As I originally thought, the problem is not with flash structures, its with USB implementation. Or, at least, that's how it appears. = UPDATE = I'm back early to report my experiences (frustrations) with the Debian installer. First, it goes full screen and doesn't allow a way to close it or to switch back to the desktop - basically, it's a one-way street that either succeeds or that requires the user to hit the power button. Second, for the hell of it I tried Alt-Tab (as though Debian was Windows) and - surprise! - I could switch between windows (but not go back to the desktop). What were those other windows? There were 6 of them! They were all prompts to run the file manager on the newly mounted volume! That automounting is really getting in the way. Now I'm going to go back to attempting to install from USB flash stick to USB hard drive... = MORE UPDATE = I'm back again, but still not done. Sigh! The Debian installer gives you the option to save snapshots. I tried to save a snapshot showing how I'm partitioning the USB hard drive. The Debian installer said it was saving the snapshots to /var/log/<...bla-bla-bla...>.png. (I would have liked to have been given the option to save them somewhere else, such as the partition that I created expressly for Windows, so I could access it while running Windows). Of course, when I got out of the Debian installer, those .png files weren't in /var/log! Argh! Okay, this is a side trip: Here (to the best of my recollection) is how I'm trying to partition: Pri-0: 243 MB, ext3, LVM, bootable Pri-1: 28 GB, NTFS, "WindowsTemp" Ext-0: 333 MB, ext3, / Ext-1: 3.18 GB, ext3 Ext-2: 1.55 GB, swap Ext-3: 524 MB, ext3 Ext-4: 277 MB, ext3 Ext-5: 3.24 GB, ext3 I can't remember which is for /ver, which is for /usr, etc. Basically, I told it to use an LVM, then I created the "WindowsTemp", then I told it to automatically partition the remainder. Now I'm going to go back to attempting to install from USB flash stick to USB hard drive... (stay tuned to this channel). Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51313d77.1010...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised
On 2013/3/1 3:55 PM, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 01:39:19PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: 13 - Removed hard disk. 14 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 14.1 - Created 2.5-GB /, 0.5-GB swap, and 5.0-GB /windows (FAT-32). 14.2 - Attempted install to the 8-GB USB (newly partitioned). 14.3 - Install succeeded! 14.4 - Automatic GRUB install failed! I would try this: Answer "no" to the question about installing GRUB to the MBR. I wasn't asked. It did that automatically. The next screen should give you some additional options about where to install GRUB. The 'next' screen merely showed the error. I'm not sure, but I think the screen after that (i.e., after I clicked "Continue") was the main menu from which I selected LILO. You want to install it to the 8 GB usb stick, which may be /dev/sdb -- but you should make sure. Really? Are you saying that at that point the USB thumb drive has a mount point? I don't think so, but what the hell do I know. Even if it has a mount point, I wouldn't know what to do. Think back to the paritioning menu. Whatever drive you partitioned, that's the drive you want to install GRUB to. Of course... I thought I tried every path, but I'll repeat the experiment and get back to you... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51312ad0.3010...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed
On 2013/3/1 4:41 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak wrote: I'm afraid it's install Linux on a USB thumb drive or nothing. Duh . . . How about installing on an external hard drive? That would be nice, but that would be on USB also... The problem is not with USB. The problem is flash vs hard drive. AFAIK you CAN install grub2 to a hard drive and boot from it. I've done quite a bit of reading but haven't tried it yet because I have no pressing need. The problem *is* with USB. As I replied in a different branch of this thread, attempted installation onto a USB hard disk also failed in exactly the same way. I'd say, back to square-1, but it looks like square-0 to me. - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513128de.6040...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed
On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak wrote: From: Mark Filipak Subject: Re: Installation failed To: "Shane Johnson" Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 2:12 PM I'm afraid it's install Linux on a USB thumb drive or nothing. Duh . . . How about installing on an external hard drive? That would be nice, but that would be on USB also... The Debian Live USB is acting like a CD. That's fine, I can boot from it. But I can't configure it (different wallpaper, for example) and I can't install anything (Icedove, for example). Do you know of any way to do that? You can install to USB with 'persistence' - an additional writable partition - which will allow some user changes to be retained. If I could install to USB, I'd do just that. My problem is that I can't install to USB. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513112d0.5010...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed
On 2013/3/1 3:16 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB & LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably) need to install a different boot loader on a USB stick - and which one is dependent on what your BIOS supports (and, of course, you have to set your BIOS appropriately). Booting from a CD/DVD follows a different process - using isolinux as the boot loader. Booting from a USB stick follows yet another process, and which process is somewhat dependent on what your BIOS supports. I'm a little fggy on the details (haven't done it it a while), but some BIOSs know how to boot from a USB stick, others have a mode called USBHDD, where they treat the USB stick as if it's a hard drive - which means you have to play some games in the USB setup to make it look like a hard drive, with an MBR and all. As I recall, syslinux is one way to boot from a USB stick. See http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcess for more details. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en for installing on a USB stick (when in doubt, FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS) Try doing a basic installation from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual before you start trying more complicated things. Miles, I'm already booting from USB. I don't need help there. And a basic installation per your link is out of the question. I recall something about isolinux from a few years ago, but during installation, I'm presented only with GRUB (actually, that is automatically tried) or LILO. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51311230.1060...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed
On 2013/3/1 2:25 PM, Shane Johnson wrote: ...I had to get a Utility from HP to convert the thumbdrive. Not needed in this case. The target USB drive did not come with U3. (The 1-GB USB drive did come with U3, but I removed that years ago.) I would recommend if you want to truly try Debian and play with it Actually, I want to use Debian (or really, any Linux) for Internetworking (browsing and email). Then I can remove networking from Windows - I don't trust Windows on the Internet. install it to another HD or use the partitioning in the installer to split your existing drive so you can dual boot both Windows and Linux. I wish you the best of luck. I don't dare fiddle with my hard disk. It's a Dell laptop that has WinXP preinstalled without a maintenance partition and I don't have a backup CD. If the current WinXP gets trashed, I'm hosed. I got my current laptop (used) when my good-old Toshiba died. In case you're wondering, I do have a license, but Dell refuses to honor it or to send a CD, even if I pay them. The Dell laptop is top-of-the-line: Precision M90 of about 2008 vintage. Of course, I'll never buy a Dell again, not even used. I'm afraid it's install Linux on a USB thumb drive or nothing. There is one alternative, but it gets a little complicated... The Debian Live USB is acting like a CD. That's fine, I can boot from it. But I can't configure it (different wallpaper, for example) and I can't install anything (Icedove, for example). Now, if I could install Icedove before the USB gets written I could probably establish a roaming identity that can actually reside on the Windows hard disk. Do you know of any way to do that? Thanks & Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51310bca.5060...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed
On 2013/3/1 1:54 PM, Shane Johnson wrote: Mark, There is a specific method to install to USB. Please see : http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb Thank you, Shane. I did use 'dd' to write the Debian Live ISOs to USBs and that did work (though the documentation for 'dd' was wrong). A gentleman on the debian-live list helped me. What didn't work was this: When I attempted to install from one (booted) USB (running Debian-LXDE) to another USB, after much fiddling, I managed to get the install to copy over the operating system (took over 1/2 hour), but then it failed trying to write GRUB or LILO. Otherwise, you can use the instructions included here : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual To install to a HD. (There are many different options.) Please be aware that (to my knowledge) those who respond on this list do so on a volunteer basis. Please be pleasant and courteous. Thank you Shane On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Mark Filipak wrote: Do you want to help? If no, stop reading now (I don't need more heckling). What I did: 1 - Booted Windows. 1.1 - Copied the Debian-Gnome Live ISO to an 8-GB USB. 1.2 - Shut down Windows. 2 - Booted Debian-Gnome from 8-GB USB - success! 2.1 - Shut down Debian-Gnome. 3 - Booted Windows. 3.1 - Copied the Debian-LXDE Live ISO to a 1-GB USB. 3.2 - Shut down Windows. 4 - Booted Debian-LXDE from 1-GB USB - success! 4.1 - Shut down Debian-LXDE. - Objective: Install Debian-LXDE to 8-GB USB - 5 - Removed hard disk (just to be safe). 6 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 6.1 - Attempted install to 8-GB USB (overwrite Debian-Gnome already on it). 6.2 - Install failed! 6.3 - My Guess: The 8-GB USB is being automounted. 6.9 - Shut down Debian-LXDE. 7 - Reinserted hard disk. 8 - Booted Windows 8.1 - Wiped out existing 8-GB USB partition. 8.2 - Shut down Windows. 9 - Removed hard disk. 10 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 10.1 - Attempted install to 8-GB USB (should have no existing partitions). 10.2 - Install failed! 10.3 - Confirmed: Debian-LXDE automounted the existing 8-GB USB - NO PARTITION! WTF! 10.4 - Unmounted the 8-GB USB. 10.5 - Attempted install to the 8-GB USB. 10.6 - Install failed! 10.7 - Tried to mount 8-GB USB (test). 10.8 - "Error mounting: mount: wrongfs type, bad option, bad Superblock on /dev/sdb2. Missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so." - WTF! 10.9 - Shut down Debian-LXDE. 11 - Reinserted my hard disk. 12 - Booted Windows 12.1 - Created a single, FAT-32 partition on 8-GB USB. 12.2 - Shut down Windows. 13 - Removed hard disk. 14 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 14.1 - Created 2.5-GB /, 0.5-GB swap, and 5.0-GB /windows (FAT-32). 14.2 - Attempted install to the 8-GB USB (newly partitioned). 14.3 - Install succeeded! 14.4 - Automatic GRUB install failed! 14.5 - Attempted to install LILO. 14.6 - LILO install failed! Okay, what went wrong: Automounting got in the way. Installer did not unmount the filesystems on the target drive. Automounting got fooled by erased partition. Mount error message too cryptic - too generic (does not tell what actually happened). GRUB & LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Any/all help appreciated except from Lisi Reisz. Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.**debian.orgwith a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/**5130f5d7.8040...@gmail.com<http://lists.debian.org/5130f5d7.8040...@gmail.com> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5130fe0c.5090...@gmail.com
Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised
Do you want to help? If no, stop reading now (I don't need more heckling). What I did: 1 - Booted Windows. 1.1 - Copied the Debian-Gnome Live ISO to an 8-GB USB. 1.2 - Shut down Windows. 2 - Booted Debian-Gnome from 8-GB USB - success! 2.1 - Shut down Debian-Gnome. 3 - Booted Windows. 3.1 - Copied the Debian-LXDE Live ISO to a 1-GB USB. 3.2 - Shut down Windows. 4 - Booted Debian-LXDE from 1-GB USB - success! 4.1 - Shut down Debian-LXDE. - Objective: Install Debian-LXDE to 8-GB USB - 5 - Removed hard disk (just to be safe). 6 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 6.1 - Attempted install to 8-GB USB (overwrite Debian-Gnome already on it). 6.2 - Install failed! 6.3 - My Guess: The 8-GB USB is being automounted. 6.9 - Shut down Debian-LXDE. 7 - Reinserted hard disk. 8 - Booted Windows 8.1 - Wiped out existing 8-GB USB partition. 8.2 - Shut down Windows. 9 - Removed hard disk. 10 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 10.1 - Attempted install to 8-GB USB (should have no existing partitions). 10.2 - Install failed! 10.3 - Confirmed: Debian-LXDE automounted the existing 8-GB USB - NO PARTITION! WTF! 10.4 - Unmounted the 8-GB USB. 10.5 - Attempted install to the 8-GB USB. 10.6 - Install failed! 10.7 - Tried to mount 8-GB USB (test). 10.8 - "Error mounting: mount: wrongfs type, bad option, bad Superblock on /dev/sdb2. Missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so." - WTF! 10.9 - Shut down Debian-LXDE. 11 - Reinserted my hard disk. 12 - Booted Windows 12.1 - Created a single, FAT-32 partition on 8-GB USB. 12.2 - Shut down Windows. 13 - Removed hard disk. 14 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 14.1 - Created 2.5-GB /, 0.5-GB swap, and 5.0-GB /windows (FAT-32). 14.2 - Attempted install to the 8-GB USB (newly partitioned). 14.3 - Install succeeded! 14.4 - Automatic GRUB install failed! 14.5 - Attempted to install LILO. 14.6 - LILO install failed! Okay, what went wrong: Automounting got in the way. Installer did not unmount the filesystems on the target drive. Automounting got fooled by erased partition. Mount error message too cryptic - too generic (does not tell what actually happened). GRUB & LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Any/all help appreciated except from Lisi Reisz. Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5130f5d7.8040...@gmail.com
Re: tar -> unresponsive machine
> Is it normal that when using the "tar" command to create a big archive, > the whole machine becomes unresponsive, e.g. several dozens of seconds > to do some operation (e.g. starting an xterm, or making Firefox react)? > > htop shows that there is still plenty of memory and atop shows nothing > special, except 100% disk busy of course. > Yes. You may want to change the "nice" level of the tar command so that it doesn't take up so much disk time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5fdf8c7172087f3131f7d0ff1e033f3b.squir...@neidorff.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 6:53 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/27 6:34 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote: An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People understand this. I find Debian GNU/Linux significantly easier to install than Windows. What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. And the average man in the street does not install his own OS, whatever that OS may be. what? That's absurd. The only people I know who have their OS installed at a shop are Apple users. When's the last time you bought a laptop? It's pretty hard to buy a computer that doesn't have either Windows or MacOS pre-installed; and if you do, you have to go out of your way to find an install disk. Miles. You're being a little parochial. Why do you assume I'm talking about laptops? First off... stop this bs of sending replies personally (or sending dups to both the list and me). Why do you keep sending me messages that contain both email addresses? You are CC'ing the list, not me. Second... ok... go into a Best Buy, or a Staples, or an Apple Store, or a Microcenter, or order online from Dell... if you order a desktop machine or a laptop, or a tablet, or a smart phone, it's going to come w/ an O/S pre-installed. For that matter, an awful lot of rack-mount servers come with an o/s pre-installed. Where have you been? I build computers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e9fa6.6050...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 6:31 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/27 11:18 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Hasn't even run it, apprently, or at least wrote in an earlier message "But I don't run Linux." Now that's it in a nutshell, isn't it. Seems to me that Mark is simply a troll (certainly not a "debian-user") I'm not a troll, Miles. -snip- Which brings us back to the question of: if not trolling, what is your purpose here? Miles Fidelman I'm trying to get help, Miles. I've been lurking. This didn't start out as my thread. "I wish to advocate linux" is not my aim. I merely made a comment about Linux advocacy and got jumped on. Whether you think I deserved to get jumped on or not, I got many messages in short order attacking me. I guess I did hit a nerve. You insist on pointing out that mentally challenged people can install Debian. That's wonderful (a bit insulting too, don't you think?). I have not had that experience. My experience has been: I make (or buy) CDs. I boot them. I begin the installation. I'm asked a hundred times whether I want to install this program or that program. But I'm not at all prepared to choose because I don't know anything about Linux or the programs, so I choose to install them all. Then when I try to boot my new Linux installation, I get an error message that such-&-such program is missing and boot is terminating with a kernel panic or a failure code. This has happened many times. When I asked about this in Linux forums, I got answers that only a Linux guru would understand. Let me give you an example of the kind of insensitivity (or myopic stupidity) that seems to be the hallmark of the Linux community. In the Debian live page, dd is offered as the way to copy the ISO file to a USB stick. But the dd program offered only runs in Linux! What good is that to someone who is running Windows at the time? It's like Linux is in it's own world. I thought I was at a forum in which people would like to advocate for Linux and therefore would do what's needed to assure successful conversion from Windows to Linux, but instead I experience the same elitism and condescension I'd experienced at other Linux forums. If you can't see that, then you are part of the problem. I give up. I apparently will never run Linux because I'm too stupid. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e9ef4.4090...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
Thanks for replying, Nate. On 2013/2/27 4:18 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2013 27 Feb 14:53 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote: The only result of my attempted installations has been cryptic error messages and non-bootable disks. That sounds more like a disk writing failure. I've gotten a few coasters in my years that didn't do things quite right. Oh, sorry. I'll be more explicit. The boot CDs were fine. The cryptic error messages I got were from the Linux bootstrap. No matter what I did, it seemed like there was always some missing dependency that would cause the boot to fail. I even tried installing everything from all the installation CDs. When that didn't work, I gave up on Linux. That happened many times with many differing PCs. Perhaps I was just unlucky. Folks in the Linux groups couldn't understand why I didn't know what the error messages were saying. To them it was obvious. To me it was mysterious. It was like we were speaking different languages. -snip- Did you get your FreeBSD installation going? It looks lke there was a lot of enthusiastic help that should have gotten you going. The thread seems to end on 19 April 2002 at 4:58 PM CDT without another reply from you. Perhaps the archive is truncated but I did not see any untoward attitude displayed by the folks on the freebsd-questions list. You've done some research! That was a long time ago. I think I tried BSD because I had so much trouble with Linux. Either I was not successful with it, or I was, but couldn't find browsers, newsreaders, or mail clients that would run under BSD - not sure. I've looked for a way to dump Windows for Internetworking for a long time. I don't trust Microsoft. I was there at the creation. I was a computer architect at Intel during 80386 core development in the early-80s. Microsoft destroyed the CPU privilege/protection model when it created Direct-X. It made rootkits possible - in fact, the name "rootkit" comes from Microsoft! For years I have thought that use of Windows creates a national security risk. Okay, enough of that. I'm sure you can tell that I'm pretty passionate in my hate for Microsoft. I'm trying to make a bootable Debian live USB. My ISO-to-USB writer apparently can only make bootable *Windows* images. I tried using dd from here: http://www.chrysocome.net/downloads/dd-0.6beta3.zip but it won't run for me without an error message. Here is another idea for you to get some experience. Try doing an installation in Virtual Box. You can try it as many times as you want. Just remove the virtual machine from the Virtual Box GUI, saying yes to remove all files and then start over taking another crack at things. Actually, I tried VirtualBox but it was missing a soft-router that would enable me to put the guest-OS behind the host's firewall and the VB developers didn't want to write a soft-router even though I found open-source code that could be adapted. I switched to VMware Player and never looked back. I may decide to run Debian in a VM sometime, but for now I'd rather boot Debian from USB. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e8ed4.1090...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 3:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 27 February 2013 20:34:26 Go Linux wrote: Well, I am a liberal arts educated 70-something (and female to boot) +1 ;-) without a technical computer background like yours to brag about. I am just a lowly user with a curiosity and willingness to learn. I have also been very stubborn in my quest to dump windoze FOREVER! I have absolutely no problem installing Linux, editing configuration files etc. If I run up against a problem, I LEARN rather than whine and find reasons why I can't do it. We are obviously two very different personalities. I posit that your problem with Linux is YOU! +1 doubled. :-) Lisi You know, Lisi, you're a real jerk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e7252.5060...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 3:45 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2013 27 Feb 14:25 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote: What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. Not even on an empty hard drive on commodity x86 hardware? I find this admission so absurd that I can't get my head around it. Although, your definition of "successful" may be different than mine. I define "successful" as the OS booting to a login prompt after installation, either GUI or character. The only result of my attempted installations has been cryptic error messages and non-bootable disks. I have asked for help over the period of 15 years and Linux-knuckleheads have offered none. All I've ever gotten is platitudes and "Windoze sucks!" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e7208.7090...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 3:36 PM, Harvey Kelly wrote: On 27 February 2013 20:24, Mark Filipak wrote: What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux You fibber. You installed Squeeze on your amd64 machine according to this thread (earlier this month): http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/02/msg00254.html You're wrong. I've been lurking this list. I saw the opportunity to help someone with memory problems so I did that. I was not running, and have never successfully installed any distribution of Linux, and no one is willing to help. Screw it. I give up... again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e714b.6040...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 3:34 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Wed, 2/27/13, Mark Filipak wrote: I'm someone who started computing on IBM-360s in the 1970s, who progressed to HP3000-SPL and PDP11s and UNIX and Solaris and MS-DOS and MS-Windows. I played with Xenix, Minix and even BE-OS. I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. I don't know why, but when I tried to read the documentation I gave up. The documentation was simultaneously dumb and obtuse and way too wordy. So I concluded that Linux is a hobbiest OS without much real-world use. From your responses, it seems the situation has not changed. - Mark. Well, I am a liberal arts educated 70-something (and female to boot) without a technical computer background like yours to brag about. I am just a lowly user with a curiosity and willingness to learn. I have also been very stubborn in my quest to dump windoze FOREVER! I have absolutely no problem installing Linux, editing configuration files etc. If I run up against a problem, I LEARN rather than whine and find reasons why I can't do it. We are obviously two very different personalities. I posit that your problem with Linux is YOU! What are you doing here? You obviously don't care about helping people. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e7091.1070...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote: An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People understand this. I find Debian GNU/Linux significantly easier to install than Windows. What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. And the average man in the street does not install his own OS, whatever that OS may be. what? That's absurd. The only people I know who have their OS installed at a shop are Apple users. Look, I asked for help. Then things got out of hand. Some Linux people seem to have a bad attitude. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e6b62.4020...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 11:18 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:34:04 +, Lisi Reisz mailto:lisi.reisz%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt > >> Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for > >> technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no > >> headway on the desktop (or the laptop). Why is that? > > > > Toy OS for technoweenies? Try server o/s powering an awful lot of major > > applications. > > > > Desktop Linux has less of a value proposition. Face it, most people use > > computers at work, where you've got to run MS Office - which means > > Windows or MacOS. Real simple. > > > > Miles Fidelman > > Your attitude, Miles, is typical and is a large part of the problem. What's wrong with it? And what problem? You can't possibly persuade anyone else to use Linux while you so obviously dislike it yourself. Hasn't even run it, apprently, or at least wrote in an earlier message "But I don't run Linux." Now that's it in a nutshell, isn't it. Seems to me that Mark is simply a troll (certainly not a "debian-user") Miles Fidelman I'm not a troll, Miles. I'm someone who started computing on IBM-360s in the 1970s, who progressed to HP3000-SPL and PDP11s and UNIX and Solaris and MS-DOS and MS-Windows. I played with Xenix, Minix and even BE-OS. I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. I don't know why, but when I tried to read the documentation I gave up. The documentation was simultaneously dumb and obtuse and way too wordy. So I concluded that Linux is a hobbiest OS without much real-world use. From your responses, it seems the situation has not changed. - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512e6a0b.6010...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/26 5:39 PM, Joe wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:29:06 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: -snip- Your attitude, Miles, is typical and is a large part of the problem. Ummm... what exactly is the problem of which you speak? That Linux hasn't become the People's Operating System? The Volks-Machina? The dominant OS? That success has come to only commercial operating systems from companies with questionable devotion to the best interests of their customers in particular and the public in general? Or do you not care? Linux is where it is without mainstream or mass interest. Enough people want it, and use it, to maintain its viability. It *is* a success. No, it isn't. Would you say that classical musicians and opera singers are failures because the popular TV channels aren't full of them? That's the wrong analogy. A better one is this: Would you say that TV would be better if classical musicians and opera singers were regularly featured? Somewhat better support from hardware vendors would be nice, but if the price is viability of Linux malware, then it's too high. You're kidding, right? Hardware support is crucial. How can you run an OS on hardware that doesn't have drivers available? Besides that, it isn't hardware that facilitates malware, it's backdoors and unattended port listeners. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512d3dd2.9040...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no headway on the desktop (or the laptop). Why is that? Toy OS for technoweenies? Try server o/s powering an awful lot of major applications. Desktop Linux has less of a value proposition. Face it, most people use computers at work, where you've got to run MS Office - which means Windows or MacOS. Real simple. Miles Fidelman Your attitude, Miles, is typical and is a large part of the problem. Ummm... what exactly is the problem of which you speak? That Linux hasn't become the People's Operating System? The Volks-Machina? The dominant OS? That success has come to only commercial operating systems from companies with questionable devotion to the best interests of their customers in particular and the public in general? Or do you not care? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512d3732.4050...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no headway on the desktop (or the laptop). Why is that? Toy OS for technoweenies? Try server o/s powering an awful lot of major applications. Desktop Linux has less of a value proposition. Face it, most people use computers at work, where you've got to run MS Office - which means Windows or MacOS. Real simple. Miles Fidelman Your attitude, Miles, is typical and is a large part of the problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512d2e14.8000...@gmail.com
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/26 3:53 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: -snip- Unfortunately, this is about as interesting to the average person as the engine manufacturer in their motor vehicle -snip- Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! I'm interested in Linux. It's not Microsoft or Google. It's open source. But I don't run Linux. An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People understand this. If documentation is vague or excessively wordy, the OS will be difficult to use. People understand this. The only installation decisions I should have to make are: What user name do I want? What time zone am I in? I should not have to decide what GUI I want. That should be determined later or not at all. For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no headway on the desktop (or the laptop). Why is that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512d2a96.7010...@gmail.com
Re: Thinking about using Debian
On 2013/2/25 8:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: P.S. Please don't top post. Thanks. Funny... I belonged to many lists 15 or 20 years ago. All wanted folks to top post and bitched about bottom-posts. Why? Bottom posts require scrolling to see that latest reply. Oh well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512c6fa2.7050...@gmail.com
Re: Thinking about using Debian
Hi Chris, Are you a fan of Shakespeare tragedies? I think Linux is a good subject. It's so hard to comment constructively without seeming to bitch. It's a tragedy. I'm an electronics engineer technoweenie with over 3 decades of experience with such a wide range of mainframes/minicomputers/microcomputers it would make your head spin. If ever there was a customer for Linux, I would be it. Linux scares the crap out of me. Windows has its problems, but they're known problems and I have decades of experience with them. I use applications, not operating systems. Linux and Mac users put Windoze down a lot, but they do a lot of lying in an attempt to hide problems with those OSes and that's what scares me... that, and the knowledge that, because it's free, people who could help, won't (or bail out at the first sign of trouble)... and because it's free, complaints and/or suggestions seem like bitching and no one likes to listen to someone bitch. So what am I doing? I'm bitching. Hahahahahahahahahaha. I despair. I have a Dell Precision M90. It's not listed as candidate hardware for Debian (http://tuxmobil.org/dell.html). But I know what hardware is in the M90. I know the video chip. I know the CPU. I know the bridge chip used. If I go to Intel or Nvidia or Ricoh and find drivers for the chips that claim to be Linux drivers, will they work for Debian? What if I don't find Linux drivers at the chip-manufacturer sites? Then what? If I invest months learning the care and feeding of Debian to the point where I can be comfortably secure with it and can advise others, will I be able to maintain that level next year when Debian is different? I could just try it and see, but that could eat a lot of my time and I don't have the time to waste. I won't go past WinXP. The latest versions of MS-Windows don't enforce interface standards at all. Even in later WinXP applications, some programs are almost impossible to figure out how to use. Some don't even have menus! What's Debian going to be like? It's an OS with no GUI-cops at all. No one wants to do anything standard ...it's boring and you can't bore volunteer programers and keep them as volunteers. Look at Firefox and Thunderbird. They're getting harder and harder to use by the day. Why? Because no one is enforcing interface standards. But you can't say anything without someone else throwing "What do you want for free?" in your face. Also, my experience with Firebox and Thunderbird may advise against Debian. In my opinion, success is everything. And success is a lot easier when you keep things simple. Firefox and Thunderbird are not simple. They are overly complex and are becoming less reliable quickly, but one can't even talk with the developers. They are in a world of their own. And who can blame them? They're doing what they want and you can't criticize because they're not getting paid. So I should just shut up. That's why I'm lurking the Debian list ...to see what people's attitudes are. To see whether the developers are accessible. I tried to get involved fixing the PAM authorization stack architecture for my server. I got absolutely nowhere because the developers of PAM didn't want to talk with anyone who wasn't willing to write and compile code. Will Debian be any different? Do you know of any very-experienced Debian folks who speak truths and wouldn't mind holding my hand? (and who maybe won't be put off by a little bitching?) Ciao - Mark (who spent 2 very pleasant months in NZ in the mid-80s, but decided that the Hutt Valley was not enough like Silicon Valley). On 2013/2/24 8:16 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 07:48:10PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: Thanks for the encouragement, Hugo, but I'm not real keen on freeware. Open source is great, but free generally means not good and not supported - and a user forum is not support. I don't like forums either. Yes, this is a mailing list. The support is better than a lot of commercial software, and I personally believe the quality is better than a lot of commercial software. Have a read: http://www.debian.org/intro/about -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512bf529.10...@gmail.com
Re: How to match last part of fullpath in apt-file with a perl reg-exp?
I think 'm[^/]*$' will match (parse) all end-parts that begin with 'm'. I think '.*/m[^/]*$' will match (find) all full-paths that have an end-part that begins with 'm' (or either of: 'm' or 'M' if 'i' flag is used). I addressed parsing, not finding. In javascript, regExp=/.*\/m[^\/]*$/i; would return (as $1) either null (not found) or the whole full-path. Note that the regExp assignment is delimited by '/.../;' ...see why I had '\/' instead of just '/'? I've not done much with perl in many years. Ciao. On 2013/2/24 8:06 PM, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote: a small correction of mine. i wanted to match not only last part but beggining of last part . so your solution is ok and thanks. Based on it with a small addition i can match the beggining of the last part of full path. So: 'm[^\/]*$' (why \ needs quoting? , i think is not special character in perl reg exprs) 'm[^/]*$' it will also match /bla/bla/blma And to match the beginning of the last part of full path : '.*/m[^/]*$ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512bcdad.8060...@gmail.com
RE: debian wheezy amd64 freeze
No idea for your logs, but I bet the problem come from your GPU drivers or Xorg. It sounds like this computer uses a NVidia GPU, so I guess your driver is currently nouveau. Do you still have the crash if you use NVidia's drivers? (it is in non-free) My video card is a GeForce 650M with the default debian drivers (I guess nouveau drivers). I've tryed to install the nvidia driver (dkms or origianal drivers), but I got a problem "Screen not found" in the xorg logs. But if the poblem may be due to GPU drivers I'm going to try to install it another time. You might try installing the package nvidia-xconfig, then running it at the command line, before giving up on the nvidia drivers. Note: Did you install nvidia drivers from the web site, or the nvidia-glx package? Try the latter first, usually. Then run nvidia-xconfig. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/001501ce1343$cdcd3f40$6967bdc0$@allums.com
Re: How to match last part of fullpath in apt-file with a perl reg-exp?
Thanks for the encouragement, Hugo, but I'm not real keen on freeware. Open source is great, but free generally means not good and not supported - and a user forum is not support. My experience has been with Firefox and Thunderbird. Okay, here's my plan: Linux - Mainly for WWW browsing & email. Windows XP - For engineering applications & games - no networking at all. Either multiboot, or VMware player with Linux host/WinXP client. Comments? Advice? KISS. Ciao - Mark. On 2013/2/24 6:52 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: For end of the fullpath, search for '[^\/]*$' For end of the fullpath that begins with 'm', search for 'm[^\/]*$' Caveats: I don't know perl & I don't use apt-file & I don't use linux. (I lurk the Debian list because I'm considering trying Debian.) My knowledge is javascript. The patterns above work. Go ahead. Do it. Debian is great! Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512ab4ca.2010...@gmail.com
Re: How to match last part of fullpath in apt-file with a perl reg-exp?
For end of the fullpath, search for '[^\/]*$' For end of the fullpath that begins with 'm', search for 'm[^\/]*$' Caveats: I don't know perl & I don't use apt-file & I don't use linux. (I lurk the Debian list because I'm considering trying Debian.) My knowledge is javascript. The patterns above work. On 2013/2/24 4:20 PM, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote: How can i match the last part of a full pathnname? eg: apt-file -x search '^m.*' matches full paths with their topmost dirname started with 'm' . How can i match the last part or the full path to start with m for example ? aprekates http://librebytes.gr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/512aa5ff.1080...@gmail.com
RE: Moving Chromebook from Ubuntu Precise to Debian Squeeze (and eventually Wheezy)
> -Original Message- > From: Dom [mailto:to...@rpdom.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:43 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Moving Chromebook from Ubuntu Precise to Debian Squeeze > (and eventually Wheezy) > > On 23/02/13 23:25, Mark Allums wrote: > > Hi, all. I possess an ARM Chromebook, and was not smart enough to get > > Debian onto it using instructions from the Web, but I found I could follow > > the Ubuntu-based instructions, and I successfully installed Ubuntu 12.04 > for > > ARM on a 64GB SDXC card. > > > > Is there a decent way to leverage Ubuntu over to Debian? Alternatively, > has > > anyone successfully run Debian on an ARM Chromebook, and is willing to > help > > me? > > > > I have a Samsung XE303C12. > > > > Getting root is trivial. Get it into developer mode, and Babette is your > > auntie. However, I am not good enough with non-PC hardware. You can > > replace the ChromeOS, set it up for dual-boot, or boot from USB (SD > > card);the last is also trivial. > > > > Any advice? > > You'd probably get more help on the Debian ARM specific user list: > > debian-...@lists.debian.org > > -- > Dom Thank you. I will try there. I don't think the problem is ARM-specific, though I mentioned it several times. I think I am just overlooking something. I was hoping someone here had done it, on ARM or x86. Sincerely, Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005a01ce1267$f7703320$e6509960$@allums.com
RE: How to become a Windows device? (Was: possible USB virus?)
Hello, > > On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:09:53 -0600 > "Mark Allums" wrote: > > FYI, a few USB storage things were known to irrevocably > > become Windows devices once used on Windows. This is rare > > now. However, if you reformatted and it seems to work now, > > forget about it. > > Please can you explain what do you mean by that? What is the > thing you call "Windows device"? (Something like a roller > blind?) > > Like they stopped being usable anywhere but Windows? > > Thanks, > aL. > -- > Alois Mahdal Yes. My command of English should be better, since I am a native speaker... By that, I mean that there was a hardware bug that caused some flash drives to ever after be usable only under Windows after having been used once under Windows. This is no longer a problem, unless you are very unlucky and get one of the old afflicted devices. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005501ce1246$ce668900$6b339b00$@allums.com
RE: [OT] possible USB virus?
> > FYI, a few USB storage things were known to irrevocably become Windows > > devices once used on Windows. > > Are you kidding? I really experienced that a brand new USB stick once > completely gets broken. The dealer sent me a new one, regarding to the > warranty claim. I can't remember if I used the USB stick with Windows. > > $ lsusb > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 1307:0165 Transcend Information, Inc. 2GB/4GB > Flash Drive > > but it's an Intenso 8GiB USB stick. The replacement for the broken one. I can't answer your question about a specific model, but no, I'm not kidding. It's something that happened. Most people exclusively use Windows anyway, or exclusively Mac, so most people never noticed. I also had a stick that killed USB ports. But that's a different story. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005101ce1225$3da27530$b8e75f90$@allums.com
Moving Chromebook from Ubuntu Precise to Debian Squeeze (and eventually Wheezy)
Hi, all. I possess an ARM Chromebook, and was not smart enough to get Debian onto it using instructions from the Web, but I found I could follow the Ubuntu-based instructions, and I successfully installed Ubuntu 12.04 for ARM on a 64GB SDXC card. Is there a decent way to leverage Ubuntu over to Debian? Alternatively, has anyone successfully run Debian on an ARM Chromebook, and is willing to help me? I have a Samsung XE303C12. Getting root is trivial. Get it into developer mode, and Babette is your auntie. However, I am not good enough with non-PC hardware. You can replace the ChromeOS, set it up for dual-boot, or boot from USB (SD card);the last is also trivial. Any advice? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005001ce121d$18184b80$4848e280$@allums.com
RE: [OT] possible USB virus?
> -Original Message- > From: lina [mailto:lina.lastn...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:00 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: [OT] possible USB virus? > > On Saturday 23,February,2013 10:35 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 02:36:13PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Saturday 23 February 2013 13:38:16 lina wrote: > >>> Few days ago, a guy borrowed my USB. > >> > >> Why?? Surely lending one's USB is asking for trouble! Personally I would > >> reformat, but then I am paranoid. > > > > Any .exe is probably a Windoze executable (use the file command to > > check) and therefore can't do anything to your Linux system anyway. > > > > I'm selling tin foil hats on special this week only! :) > > > I think I have already have one (invisible though). > > Thanks, I won't worry about it anymore. > > Have a nice weekend, FYI, a few USB storage things were known to irrevocably become Windows devices once used on Windows. This is rare now. However, if you reformatted and it seems to work now, forget about it. Cheers, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/004f01ce121a$e3b4a700$ab1df500$@allums.com
RE: Gnome classic theme for 7?
> Is there a Gnome classic theme for Debian 7? > > Thanks, > > John > > -- > > John Conover, cono...@rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/ Do you mean icon and desktop theme for Gnome 3, or a version of Gnome 2, or something else? The answer is complicated. Gnome 3 has a "classic mode" in 3.0 - 3.4. Also called in some dists, "fallback mode". After Gnome 3.6, fallback mode will go away. There is a Debian-based distro called SolusOS (I think) that has a gnome 2-style desktop that is like Gnome 2 but uses gtk 3. MATE desktop, with is available for Mint, Ubuntu, and Debian, and a few RPM-based dists, is a fork of Gnome 2. It is rough in spots, but works fairly well for me. There is Cinnamon, and you might consider an alternative like it. Is any of this a place for you to start, or have I misunderstood? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/001f01ce11a7$469825f0$d3c871d0$@allums.com
RE: Debian 7
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Bannister [mailto:cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:56 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Debian 7 > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 08:51:17PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org > wrote: > > Some people will say that unstable is better for security issues, > > because it is harder to exploit flaws when the software changes > > constantly. > > Really??? They obviously don't understand the meaning of stable. (Hint, > it doesn't mean unlikely to crash.) It has two meanings for us, and one determines which is meant by context. Fixes tend to make it into Sid faster than Testing, but I judge Sid and Stable to be different in approach but both about equally decent for security. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/000301ce1186$a1985d10$e4c91730$@allums.com
RE: Open new session with same user (in GDM)
> From: "Morel Bérenger" [mailto:berenger.mo...@neutralite.org] > > It would generalize the > > principle, but it's a bit like multiple inheritance in C++ vs. single > > inheritance plus multiple interfaces in Java. Multiple is nice, but it > > really is a can of worms, which Java tries to sidestep. Mostly, people > > are just going to say that you can get what you want with Remote > Desktops > > and/or X-though-ssh-type things. Which is why this rambling wreck of a > > tangential digression is mostly just crazy talk. > > For inheritance, the problem is not at the first level, but when there are > more: diamond inheritance means that resources could be duplicated, > creating strange behavior if the programmer did not made the inheritance > virtual. > On the other hand, this can often be avoided, and when you speak about > Java, just remember that this language does not even have unsigned types > :) Yeah. Just an iffy example. Really, all I wrote about this is just a flight of fancy, nothing more. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/006501ce1138$ad431ae0$07c950a0$@allums.com
RE: Open new session with same user (in GDM)
> > How about running two different DMs? Isn't that what that's for? > > Can't have competing DMs like KDM, GDM, and LightDM. But why > > shouldn't LXDE and e17 run at the same time? > > Or Xfce4 and Xfce4 and Gnome and Xfce4? (I assume you mean DEs, not > DMs. Or we might as well want to run 2 inits! :D) Well, yeah! :) No, I meant: Can't have two DMs, so we need to prevent it, but DEs should work, assuming one's xyzd demon (DBus or what-have-you) is amenable. It would be nice if multisession capability was feasible. > > If no competing sessions can exist, then that goes against the spirit > > of Unix. > > Exactly that's what I had in mind. See above. But in my previous post, I really did have some grandiose schemes in mind for allowing (integration of) running one desktop across multiple separate computers (into a DM+DE). It would generalize the principle, but it's a bit like multiple inheritance in C++ vs. single inheritance plus multiple interfaces in Java. Multiple is nice, but it really is a can of worms, which Java tries to sidestep. Mostly, people are just going to say that you can get what you want with Remote Desktops and/or X-though-ssh-type things. Which is why this rambling wreck of a tangential digression is mostly just crazy talk. Something ought to be possible and done, but really, why bother? There no real demand for it. Anyway, it's OT, since this has little directly to do with Debian users. > > Would starting a second X session do any good at all, as Kent > > suggested? There would still be only one DBus? > > Yep, that brought up gnome-session with no complaints. (I actually > even omitted the "-- :2" part.) Not via GDM, but that was not > really a requirement, it was rather that I was expecting GDM would > support that. Somehow. > > ~ > > But finally, the benefit was even smaller than as I commented in OP. > > While the gnome session seemed to run OK, the actual *application* > I wanted to run didn't. Drats. Well, having worked through all this may have taught us something, at least. Well, this makes sense in many apps like > MUA or web browser and it is often possible to address by telling > the app to use other profile/dotfileset. But we are just getting > to the point when simply creating user foo is easier. > > Thanks all! > aL. De Nada :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/003c01ce10da$5a24f710$0e6ee530$@allums.com
RE: Open new session with same user (in GDM)
> Le 21/02/2013 00:32, Mark Allums a écrit :
> >> From: Kent West [mailto:we...@acu.edu]
> >> On 02/20/2013 04:07 PM, Alois Mahdal wrote:
> >>> Hello to all!
> >>>
> >>> How do I create two same-user sessions from GDM?
> >>>
> >>> Say I'm logged in in Xfce (which I normally use, therefore have
> >>> many windows / apps open) and want to quickly report a bug. But
> >>> before I do that, I want to check if the same happens in GNOME.
> >>>
> >>> xfswitch-plugin ("User switching" in Panel item menu), gets me
> >>> to the GDM, but even if I choose my username and "Gnome classic"
> >>> session, typing my password only brings me to the old Xfce4
> >>> session (i.e. the "session" option in GDM is ignored).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> aL.
> >>>
> >>> P.S.: While typing this, I realized that 90% of these cases can
> >>> be solved by creating a new temporary user, which is way more
> >>> correct way of bug reporting. However, in some cases (hard to
> >>> reproduce bugs, missing privileges to create user...) that might
> >>> not be the solution.
> >>>
> >> From GDM? I don't know.
> >>
> >> But you can shell out (via Ctrl-Alt-F1). login there, and start a new X
> >> session with something like
> >>
> >> # startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :2
> >>
> >> It's been so long that I don't remember if this is the exact correct
> >> syntax, but I believe it is. No guarantees as to what might happen
> >> though with two different DEs reading/writing to the same user account
> >> space.
> >>
> > The latter would mostly work, except possibly with something leading to
> some
> > obscure race condition, solvable with proper use of lock files. Open files
> > being edited may come out with competing versions, but last written wins
> if
> > the thing is properly multi-instance, like gedit. If single instance only,
I realized I used a bad example here. Gedit just opens a new tab. Principle
seems sound, though I haven't had a chance to try it myself, yet.
> > you would get errors and bailouts trying to start a second instance (of a
> > gtk or Qt app, forex).
> >
> > Just a little guessing.
> >
> > As far as starting a new session at GDM, wouldn't it be like starting any
> > other session with GDM? Just choose your window manager+DE with the
> > pulldown menu? What am I missing?
> >
>
> Isn't there one only dbus daemon per user, daemon on which gconf is
> based, which would prevent several sessions by same user ?
How about running two different DMs? Isn't that what that's for? Can't have
competing DMs like KDM, GDM, and LightDM. But why shouldn't LXDE and e17 run
at the same time?
If no competing sessions can exist, then that goes against the spirit of Unix.
Someone should create a DM that supports multisession! Fix dbus, and all that.
Even if there is little or no demand for such a thing. It's the principle of
the thing. (I can imagine one session spread across many separate, discrete
computers, using some sort of ssh hydra You might could do something with
Wayland instead of X.org. But that's crazy talk. Imagine crashing X on six
computers at once!)
But seriously, I just tried User Switching under MATE, and got 'Unable to start
new display GDbus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.gnome.Display
Manager was not provided by any .service files'. So something's wrong with my
LightDM, something's wrong with MATE (or *my* MATE), or something's wrong with
my Gnome 3, which is also installed. Or something. I'll try something else
later.
Would starting a second X session do any good at all, as Kent suggested? There
would still be only one DBus?
Good luck!
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RE: Open new session with same user (in GDM)
> -Original Message-
> From: Kent West [mailto:we...@acu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:52 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Open new session with same user (in GDM)
>
> On 02/20/2013 04:07 PM, Alois Mahdal wrote:
> > Hello to all!
> >
> > How do I create two same-user sessions from GDM?
> >
> > Say I'm logged in in Xfce (which I normally use, therefore have
> > many windows / apps open) and want to quickly report a bug. But
> > before I do that, I want to check if the same happens in GNOME.
> >
> > xfswitch-plugin ("User switching" in Panel item menu), gets me
> > to the GDM, but even if I choose my username and "Gnome classic"
> > session, typing my password only brings me to the old Xfce4
> > session (i.e. the "session" option in GDM is ignored).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > aL.
> >
> > P.S.: While typing this, I realized that 90% of these cases can
> > be solved by creating a new temporary user, which is way more
> > correct way of bug reporting. However, in some cases (hard to
> > reproduce bugs, missing privileges to create user...) that might
> > not be the solution.
> >
>
> From GDM? I don't know.
>
> But you can shell out (via Ctrl-Alt-F1). login there, and start a new X
> session with something like
>
> # startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :2
>
> It's been so long that I don't remember if this is the exact correct
> syntax, but I believe it is. No guarantees as to what might happen
> though with two different DEs reading/writing to the same user account
> space.
>
The latter would mostly work, except possibly with something leading to some
obscure race condition, solvable with proper use of lock files. Open files
being edited may come out with competing versions, but last written wins if
the thing is properly multi-instance, like gedit. If single instance only,
you would get errors and bailouts trying to start a second instance (of a
gtk or Qt app, forex).
Just a little guessing.
As far as starting a new session at GDM, wouldn't it be like starting any
other session with GDM? Just choose your window manager+DE with the
pulldown menu? What am I missing?
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RE: whether to install Squeeze or Wheezy
Hello list, I am planning to install Debian on somewhat dated hardware: Intel T2300 1.66Ghz, 1 gb RAM. I have used Ubuntu in the past and would like to move up to something more stable and snappy. I will be using my laptop to mostly output (digital) music to my amp, web browsing, office and running Windows-based programs on WinXP via VirtualBox. Performance is very important for me and thats one of the main reasons why I am considering switching to Debian. At this point I am debating whether to install Squeeze or Wheezy. I have some specific questions which I think will help me decide between the two, but feel free to give other inputs that might help me decide. 1. How long will Squeeze be supported? At least 2 more years? 2. Can I install GTK3 themes on Gnome 2? I dont care for compiz effects but I would like to install some GTK3 themes like Gnome Cupertino. 3. However, if the fallback session of Gnome 3 (I dont plan to use Gnome Shell) is likely to have a small RAM footprint like Gnome 2, I would happily install wheezy (for they say Gnome 3 is built on new technology and better). Thanks in advance for your help. Madhu Wheezy is nearing release, which may be in April or May. It is stable, and most people report only minor hiccups installing and using it. Squeeze will be moved to OldStable status, and will only get some urgent security updates. Some backports may be added unofficially. Wheezy is highly recommended for most "desktop" users. Gnome 3 Classic Mode (fallback) has been dropped Upstream, and will go away. You should not plan to use it. I have had good results with MATE. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. MATE is new, but looking very good. They plan to add support for Gnome 3 themes in a future release. Debian repositories are available: http://mate-desktop.org/ http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/015301ce04fa$e9351bb0$bb9f5310$@allums.com
Re: debian squeeze amd64 recent frequent crashes
Be sure to take the RAM out and reseat it by putting it back in. While the RAM is out, You could try hitting the RAM slots with some electronic contact cleaner too. Not color TV tuner cleaner. Electronic contact cleaner. On 2013/2/6 2:50 PM, Jim Green wrote: On 6 February 2013 13:13, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Jim Green wrote: my debian squeeze amd64 has served me well for past 2/3 years. I struggled a few days with recent frequent crashes and hope to get some help from the list. I already downgraded from bpo kernel 3.6 to stock 2.32 kernel but didn't help.. I tried running memtest86 but it freezes as shown in the below log. Could someone share some procedures how to fix this?.. Yeah, if Memtest86 is crashing/freezing, you need to start replacing hardware. Start with the RAM. If you are using multiple sticks, you could try taking them out and testing them one by one. If you have some other known good RAM you could test with it to verify that it is the RAM and not the motherboard/CPU/power. RAM is most likely though. I managed to use memtester to get some diagnosis. it gave me tons of failures. my RAM is a set of 4x8G GSkill http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231490 it is too bad they failed in half a year. should not save a few bucks on this brand.. % sudo memtester 3 memtester version 4.1.3 (64-bit) Copyright (C) 2010 Charles Cazabon. Licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2 (only). pagesize is 4096 pagesizemask is 0xf000 want 3MB (3145728 bytes) got 3MB (3145728 bytes), trying mlock ...locked. Loop 1: Stuck Address : testing 0FAILURE: possible bad address line at offset 0x20af2783. Skipping to next test... Random Value: ok FAILURE: 0xf0b6c16d8e202230 != 0xe0b6c16d8e202230 at offset 0x06345f83. FAILURE: 0x86477452228cbcbe != 0xa6477452228cbcbe at offset 0x20b01985. FAILURE: 0xc8afe26b8d01d1ed != 0xd8afe26b8d01d1ed at offset 0x20b01f05. FAILURE: 0x1037683fc596127a != 0x37683fc596127a at offset 0x20b01f83. FAILURE: 0x286f95f380509108 != 0x86f95f380509108 at offset 0x20e018c1. FAILURE: 0x18375b375400d4de != 0x8375b375400d4de at offset 0x20e01f83. FAILURE: 0xa02fd5b38400cc07 != 0x802fd5b38400cc07 at offset 0x20e45945. FAILURE: 0xe161e82704046d82 != 0xc161e82704046d82 at offset 0x20e45a31. FAILURE: 0x34264dc30854d783 != 0x24264dc30854d783 at offset 0x20e6a783. FAILURE: 0x102730680291a71f != 0x2730680291a71f at offset 0x20f36783. FAILURE: 0x5e625c1c50061114 != 0x4e625c1c50061114 at offset 0x20fb6783. FAILURE: 0xe07237a92e12ac4a != 0xc07237a92e12ac4a at offset 0x21045a31. FAILURE: 0x80efd6af2022127c != 0x90efd6af2022127c at offset 0x216d5705. FAILURE: 0x30277f3ba212af26 != 0x20277f3ba212af26 at offset 0x21a89783. FAILURE: 0x1327efdb3b203a42 != 0x327efdb3b203a42 at offset 0x21aae783. FAILURE: 0x306e5bb80208a3b0 != 0x206e5bb80208a3b0 at offset 0x21acd5c7. FAILURE: 0x4227414b9b88e3c0 != 0x5227414b9b88e3c0 at offset 0x21acd685. FAILURE: 0x13a17c9d8000eaa0 != 0x3a17c9d8000eaa0 at offset 0x21acd783. FAILURE: 0x343f25fd1042aded != 0x243f25fd1042aded at offset 0x22979f83. FAILURE: 0x90b61a9d5201c995 != 0x80b61a9d5201c995 at offset 0x22a01f83. FAILURE: 0x1026515eaa6bd6ab != 0x26515eaa6bd6ab at offset 0x22a45f83. FAILURE: 0x1196bde284a8c42d != 0x196bde284a8c42d at offset 0x232c5f83. Compare XOR : FAILURE: 0xf0d991c497c0ce6a != 0xe0d991c497c0ce6a at offset 0x06345f83. FAILURE: 0x866a44a92c2d68f8 != 0xa66a44a92c2d68f8 at offset 0x20b01985. FAILURE: 0xc8d2b2c296a27e27 != 0xd8d2b2c296a27e27 at offset 0x20b01f05. FAILURE: 0x105a3896cf36beb4 != 0x5a3896cf36beb4 at offset 0x20b01f83. FAILURE: 0xc052b84f79e175a6 != 0xd052b84f79e175a6 at offset 0x20c18f83. FAILURE: 0x2892664a89f13d42 != 0x892664a89f13d42 at offset 0x20e018c1. FAILURE: 0x185a2b8e5da18118 != 0x85a2b8e5da18118 at offset 0x20e01f83. FAILURE: 0xa052a60a8da17841 != 0x8052a60a8da17841 at offset 0x20e45945. FAILURE: 0xe184b87e0da519bc != 0xc184b87e0da519bc at offset 0x20e45a31. FAILURE: 0x34491e1a11f583bd != 0x24491e1a11f583bd at offset 0x20e6a783. FAILURE: 0x80c9d15b1bd1a3a7 != 0x90c9d15b1bd1a3a7 at offset 0x20ecd783. FAILURE: 0x104a00bf0c325359 != 0x4a00bf0c325359 at offset 0x20f36783. FAILURE: 0xe095080037b35884 != 0xc095080037b35884 at offset 0x21045a31. FAILURE: 0x148abfad94a8d0b0 != 0x48abfad94a8d0b0 at offset 0x21045f05. FAILURE: 0xa85274699dc7dca3 != 0x885274699dc7dca3 at offset 0x216b6005. FAILURE: 0x1946090b8bc22ff3 != 0x946090b8bc22ff3 at offset 0x216b6631. FAILURE: 0xf0e6435395c1aa58 != 0xd0e6435395c1aa58 at offset 0x216d5185. FAILURE: 0xc486289fea34ed41 != 0xe486289fea34ed41 at offset 0x216d5245. FAILURE: 0x8112a70629c2beb6 != 0x9112a70629c2beb6 at offset 0x216d5705. FAILURE: 0xd31207bb0ab8e25f != 0xc31207bb0ab8e25f at offset 0x216d57d1. FAILURE: 0x304a4f92abb35b60 != 0x204a4f92abb35b60 at offset 0x21a89783. FAILURE: 0x30912c0f0ba94fea != 0x20912c0f0ba94fea at offset 0x21acd5c7. FAILURE: 0x424a11a2a5298ffa !=
Upgraded to latest Testing and Networking Stopped
I am running Debian testing (amd64) and after running an aptitude update/upgrade my wired network stopped working. I get a cable unplugged message. The cable is OK and the router is OK and the link pulses are there. My wireless is still working. My system: Linux version 3.1.0-1-amd64 (Debian 3.1.8-2) (b...@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2-11) ) #1 SMP Tue Jan 10 05:01:58 UTC 2012 My onboard NIC is Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) I get this from dmesg [ 1.325223] eth0: Identified chip type is 'RTL8168D/8111D'. [ 19.611230] r8168: eth0: link down [ 19.611925] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready i tried downloading the latest drivers (r8168-8.035.00) from Realtek, compiled them and installed (./autorun) and got these messages: root@orca:~/REALTEK/r8168-8.035.00# ./autorun.sh Check old driver and unload it. rmmod r8168 Build the module and install Warning: you may need to install module-init-tools See http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt DEPMOD 3.1.0-1-amd64 WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.1.0-1-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or directory load module r8168 Updating initramfs. Please wait. update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.1.0-1-amd64 WARNING: could not open /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_H9e5XM/lib/modules/3.1.0-1-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or directory Completed. I read the reference on codemonkey, but it only talks about 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, so not sure if it is relevant. There was a bug in March regarding the missing file/directory, but the maintainers claim it was fixed. It is also just a warning, so not sure if it is relevant. lsmod shows: Module Size Used by r8168 235362 0 ifup eth0 gives RTNETLINK answers: File exists Failed to bring up eth0. ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:e8:fa:3a:aa inet addr:192.168.25.150 Bcast:192.168.25.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:45 Base address:0x8000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:992 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:992 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:79712 (77.8 KiB) TX bytes:79712 (77.8 KiB) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:d6:4d:f4:5c inet addr:192.168.25.206 Bcast:192.168.25.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::224:d6ff:fe4d:f45c/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:369882 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:200219 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:238476416 (227.4 MiB) TX bytes:61312210 (58.4 MiB) /etc/network/interfaces # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface #allow-hotplug eth0 NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.25.150 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.25.1 dns-search tc.ph.cox.net dns-nameservers 68.2.16.25 68.2.16.30 Thanks for any suggestions you may have. Mark
Re: Help with NIS+NFS in Squeeze
Markos wrote: > Dear Bob, > > Em Dom, 2013-02-03 Ã s 12:48 -0700, Bob Proulx escreveu: >> Markos wrote: >>> But I can manually mount the /home partition on the clients with the >>> command: >>> >>> mount 192.168.0.1:/home /home >> Good. >> The ip address in the above mount command agrees with the address in /etc/network/interfaces. > The file /etc/network/interfaces of the server is: > > # The loopback network interface > it self > inet loopback iface it > > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.0.1 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > But the ip address you list below in /etc/fstab does not agree with the address in etc/network/interfaces. > I copied these options from a site. I was thinking to simplify and > replace with just "defaults" > > 192.168.10.101:/home /home nfs defaults 0 0 > You should replace 192.168.10.101 with 192.168.0.1 >>In /etc/nsswitch.conf file: >> >> passwd: files nis >> group: files nis >> shadow: files nis >> > >Ok. > >But what about the files /etc/passwd ... /etc/gshadow. Should remove >the "+" at the end of these files? > If you modify the /etc/nsswitch.conf as Bob recommends, remove the + at the end of /etc/passwd ... /etc/gshadow. Mark Neyhart -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51100992.3010...@akleg.gov
RE: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
> From: Chris Bannister [mailto:cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz] > On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote: > > I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a > > SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older > > netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old > > and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You > > will have to find a "signed" installation distro and install it on > > the chromebook in "Developer Mode." > > > > Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few > > commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any > > Linux software. You can install free "apps" from the Google store. > > I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a > look: > > https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linux&c=apps&=en_GB > > At least 1,000 results It's been done. I don't know which specific model, but you can use developer mode in some to achieve root, and from then on, you can do what you like. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=root+chromebook -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/007601ce01d2$4ba29830$e2e7c890$@allums.com
RE: Steam on Debian
> From: David Guntner [mailto:dav...@akamail.net] > Mark Allums grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > > > Thanks for your reply. I am a bit skeptical that many distributions will be > > officially supported. Certainly Ubuntu and direct derivatives, possibly > > Debian and direct derivatives, probably Fedora and some other RPM- > based > > distros such as OpenSuSE. Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo are likely out of > > luck. > > Amusingly enough, I just stumbled upon the following page: > > https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux > > In its section on "Native Steam on Linux Beta Client," it lists > openSUSE/SUSE, Gentoo, Fedora and Arch Linux. Now, I'm guessing it's an > older page, given that it doesn't list Ubuntu except under the "how to > install it under Wine" section. > > Go figure... :-) > >--Dave > > P.S. I just double checked, and at the bottom of the page, it indicates > that it was last updated on 19 Jan 2013, so it's not *that* old. I > think someone forgot to take into account the Ubuntu/Linux beta test :-) Go figure... :) What I wrote was speculation, no more. This might be better information. However, I was going with the odds. *Lots* of Fedora and Ubuntu users out there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/009601ce0033$da9ce310$8fd6a930$@allums.com
RE: Steam on Debian [mostly SOLVED]
> From: Renaud Casenave-Péré [mailto:ren...@casenave-pere.fr] > Hi, > > You can follow this tutorial from Sam Hocevar (former DPL) : > http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/846939071205530634/ > Following this method, I got Steam partially running. The games that were previously loaded by my old install ran after phoning home to check the online DRM. So far so good. However, the launcher brings up ugly windows and a terminal and requires manual intervention to operate at all. Pros: Private copy of Steam installed in opt; no cluttering up the system with Ubuntu files. No chroot necessary. Cons: Not fixed up for Debian. Requires packages from Experimental be installed. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/008f01ce0032$ab8ecb70$02ac6250$@allums.com
RE: Steam on Debian
> From: Frank Lanitz [mailto:fr...@frank.uvena.de] > Am 30.01.2013 23:53, schrieb Mark Allums: > > Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing > > Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? > > From my point fo view you might want to check with folks behind Steam. > It's complete non-free software within a beta-status. ... > > Cheers, > Frank I'm certainly aware of its non-free status. That doesn't bother me at all. In the case of the Steam Client itself, it would be nice to have an open source version of it, but it won't bother most people to not have one. As for the individual games, I doubt Steam devotees will care one whit that the games are DRM'd, as long as they can play them whenever they want to. Steam will never be an official Debian package, but like Skype or Nvidia, its utility will outweigh its drawbacks in the minds of end-users. MArk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/007201ce000d$d2ce8dd0$786ba970$@allums.com
RE: Steam on Debian
From: David Guntner [mailto:dav...@akamail.net] > Mark Allums grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > > > I tried and failed, but I didn't spend more than a couple of hours on it. I > > never managed to completely fix the dependency chain for getting the > Ubuntu > > package to install cleanly. Do you have any tips that you can remember? > What > > Debian release are you running? i386 or amd64? > > > > I doubt Steam will be expanding their distro support any time soon. Looks > to > > me like they engaged Ubuntu some time ago to get the compiled in > support > > they wanted. > > I have no idea who's being quoted here, but I think the first paragraph > is someone other than Mark, and the bottom is Mark. > > Mark, PLEASE don't top-post, and please try to follow a (literally) > decades-old established quote-and-reply convention with an attribute > line at the top and and ">" showing quotations (kinda like this message > does :-) ). If you can't get Outlook to do it, perhaps you can switch > to a mail program that makes it easier to follow those conventions? I > use Thunderbird, myself, but there are plenty around that do the job > nicely. I suspect that many of us reading this list will thank you. You have it the wrong way around. In fact, none of that is me at all. I am generally aware of the quoting conventions. > Anyway, on to my actual reply ;-) > > I don't know what kind of time-table they have set for themselves, but > given Valve's increasing interest in the Linux market, I'd be willing to > bet that once their open beta testing period is over with, they'll start > expanding to other Linux distribution packaging systems, and may well > even provide a method for installing software without a package manager > (a'la tarball, etc.). I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of time. :-) > > --Dave Thanks for your reply. I am a bit skeptical that many distributions will be officially supported. Certainly Ubuntu and direct derivatives, possibly Debian and direct derivatives, probably Fedora and some other RPM-based distros such as OpenSuSE. Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo are likely out of luck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/006e01ce000c$c61ba0b0$5252e210$@allums.com
RE: Steam on Debian
I tried and failed, but I didn't spend more than a couple of hours on it. I never managed to completely fix the dependency chain for getting the Ubuntu package to install cleanly. Do you have any tips that you can remember? What Debian release are you running? i386 or amd64? I doubt Steam will be expanding their distro support any time soon. Looks to me like they engaged Ubuntu some time ago to get the compiled in support they wanted. Regards Tom On 31 January 2013 00:53, Mark Allums wrote: Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? ___ Please don't top post. The short answer is that I can't install Steam the way I did previously because of binary incompatibility with libc, et al. Ubuntu requires their version of libc and Debian requires its version. The Steam binaries require the Ubuntu version. I was asking whether there was a workaround or a private version of those libraries, and how best to approach it. That is, is there a procedure to follow, or an unofficial Debian .deb containing the Debianized version already packaged up by someone. Mark
Re: Upgrade from stable to testing hosed my server
Well, after some poking around I finally solved the problem 1. The onboard nic was not dead, just a little confused. 2. The problem was in /etc/fstab in this line //192.168.25.105/orca /home/share cifs file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw00 I found these errors in the logs - CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -6 When I commented out the line above in /etc/fstab, everything started working again. The network mount was for a NAS that turned out not to work very well, so I removed it from the network and must have forgotten to comment out that line in /etc/fstab. I hate it when things like that come back to haunt you years later. Mark On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Peter Viskup wrote: > On 01/24/2013 05:51 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> Can I access the log if I boot the machine with a live cd of some kind? >> >> Mark >> > > Hello Mark, > read the release notes first and think about what you did wrong. > > I do not know how you proceed with the upgrade, but yes there are paths > like these: > /var/log/dpkg.log > /var/log/aptitude > /var/log/apt/ > > The quickest solution will be to restore package states using the commands > 'dpkg --get-selections' and 'dpkg --set-selections'. Or simply install all > the missing ones - once you remember what packages you installed on the > system before. Some of these procedures are documented in the release notes > - therefore I highly recommend you to read it. > You can use the Debian installation CD/DVD and boot into 'rescue mode'. > > -- > Peter >
Steam on Debian
Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/001c01cdff3c$a5429fe0$efc7dfa0$@allums.com
RE: moving from Kubuntu 10.4 to squeeze
> -Original Message- > From: Martin Steigerwald [mailto:mar...@lichtvoll.de] > > So I suggest Wheezy to you as well. Spares you an upgrade (which is nothing > to be scared about in Debian, really, in case you need a help with an > upgrade or have an issue, just ask here, I never saw a Debian upgrade that > failed, never ever, and I have seen and done a lot of them). I recall an infamous "gotcha". Happened not very long ago, actually. It's the one where if you upgraded in dribs and drabs--- piecemeal---as tinkerers do, and you upgraded udev before/without doing a kernel upgrade, you were SOL, and couldn't boot. So yeah, read the change logs and release notes. I concur with everyone: Start out with Wheezy. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/002201cdfce8$52446a40$f6cd3ec0$@allums.com
RE: 32-bit to 64-bit
From: Sven Joachim [mailto:svenj...@gmx.de] > > On 2013-01-24 17:51 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > > > On 2013-01-24 16:58 +0100, Kelly Clowers wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Sven Joachim > > wrote: > > >>> I have crossgraded some packages in i386 chroots that way, but in the > > >>> current state of affairs I would definitely _not_ dare to try a full > > >>> crossgrade on my main system with almost 2000 installed packages. > > >> > > >> I bet it is doable. I wish I had a 32 bit system to try it on, I love doing > > >> crazy things with the package manager, like when I combined > > >> significant parts of Ubuntu (X and GTK) into my Debian install, > > >> and later transitioned back to pure Debian. > > > > Okay, I just tried to do a crossgrade in one of those disposable > > chroots. The good news is that dpkg itself can be crossgraded smoothly > > once the necessary amd64 libraries are installed, the bad news is that > > apt gets thoroughly confused by this action: > > > > , > > | # dpkg --version > > | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.16.9 (i386). > > | This is free software; see the GNU General Public License version 2 or > > | later for copying conditions. There is NO warranty. > > | root@turtle:/var/cache/apt/archives# apt-cache show base-files:amd64 > > | Package: base-files > > | Version: 7.1 > > | Essential: yes > > | Installed-Size: 414 > > | Maintainer: Santiago Vila > > | Architecture: amd64 > > | Replaces: base, dpkg (<= 1.15.0), miscutils > > | Provides: base > > | Pre-Depends: awk > > | Breaks: initscripts (<< 2.88dsf-13.3), sendfile (<< 2.1b.20080616-5.2~) > > | Description-en: Debian base system miscellaneous files > > | This package contains the basic filesystem hierarchy of a Debian system, > > and > > | several important miscellaneous files, such as /etc/debian_version, > > | /etc/host.conf, /etc/issue, /etc/motd, /etc/profile, and others, > > | and the text of several common licenses in use on Debian systems. > > | Multi-Arch: foreign > > | Description-md5: 6d16337f57b84c4747f56438355b2395 > > | Tag: admin::configuring, role::app-data, suite::debian > > | Section: admin > > | Priority: required > > | Filename: pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_7.1_amd64.deb > > | Size: 71776 > > | MD5sum: dcaeda04f934efba7de05d924f45a850 > > | SHA1: d4c5131596a65dfefa055026ee1c25c2aa95f13e > > | SHA256: > > > 9b89d2a217da3fa2c6366ad44748eaa3613e575e77bbb727a3b02b6a7b80ea7 > > e > > | > > | dpkg -i dpkg_1.16.9_amd64.deb > > | (Reading database ... 9690 files and directories currently installed.) > > | Preparing to replace dpkg 1.16.9 (using dpkg_1.16.9_amd64.deb) ... > > | Unpacking replacement dpkg ... > > | Setting up dpkg (1.16.9) ... > > | # apt-cache show base-files:amd64 > > | N: Unable to locate package base-files > > | E: No packages found > > ` > > > > This also means that my plan to "aptitude download base-files:amd64" > > followed by "dpkg -i base-files*amd64.deb" does not work, so I'll revert > > to the i386 dpkg in that chroot for now. Thanks for going to so much trouble for us. You suggest a chroot. What about a *totally* off-line approach? Unpacking files to their proper places by hand, then updating scripts and config files from outside manually (probably using another script prepared specifically for the purpose.) I would not know the first place to start. But I suspect that there is a market for this. I would suggest that Debian create a 32=>64 bit transition kit for jessie, because this is only going to come up more and more often as 32-bit loses ground to 64-bit in usage. A lot of old-timers, plus a fair number of servers that have been in place for years will be asking this same question. I myself for my personal equipment tend to grab the hard drive out of one old machine and stick it into another new one, and thanks to Debian and Linux, it usually works. But although the hardware is capable of 64-bit (and future hardware only moreso) keeping the exact environment without reinstalling from scratch seems impossible. For most things, that's okay, I will do "Just-In-Time installing", not doing it all at once, but only as the situation that needs something specific presents itself. But for this specific application, well, I have it the way I like it, and it's too much work (and too error-prone, at least for yours-truly) to start over. Thanks. I won't give up. I will keep looking. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/007d01cdfa73$540c07b0$fc241710$@allums.com
RE: [Followup]: Basic USB Automounter?
> From: Patrick Bartek [mailto:bartek...@yahoo.com] > Also, someone suggested usbmount, which I was aware of, but in my > reading, it said that it would only mount thumb and external USB hard > drives, and not flash cards using a reader. I never tested to see if this were > true. In my experience, SD cards are treated like USB drives. On my Eee PC, I have run Debian from the SD card slot on a 32GB card. (That was quite a while back.) Sometimes, it takes a little sleuthing to figure out what /dev node it is. I missed the first of this. Has anyone mentioned pmount? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/007801cdfa6f$f0d076c0$d2716440$@allums.com
RE: moving from Kubuntu 10.4 to squeeze
> From: Mike McGinn [mailto:mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net] > I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu > user > since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I have > been > less and less happy with the so called "quality" and I am planning a move to > Debian. As a Kontact user the problems reported with the new versions of > that > particular package are dictating the move to Squeeze. (I subscribe to both > the > kde-pim users and developers mail lists.) > > I have been experimenting with an installation in a virtual machine and I am > getting ready to make the jump. I am happy with what I have experienced in > my > VM and I just want to know if there are any pitfalls I have not foreseen. My > system is backed up every night, so I am not worried about losing anything. The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers. You are pretty much on your own finding drivers for things. Debian supports older hardware quite well, but there is usually a long wait for it. Upgrades from release to release are more tricky than Ubuntu. It is sometimes easiest to just install the new version "clean". If you run packages from Testing (starting, say 6 months after a release), go all out in Testing . Mixing distributions leads to heartbreak. Ditto Sid. IF you run things from Sid, you're better off running a full Sid system rather than a mixed system with some packages from Testing and some from Sid. The only things to get from Experimental are possibly the latest iceweasel, or a new kernel. But wait on the latter until the kbuild package is released, if you are going to need the kernel headers to compile hardware drivers (the classic example being nvidia-glx kernel module). The headers depend on linux-kbuild, and the kernel guys often don't get around to packaging it right away. I'm sure there are people with better advice, Keep it coming, guys! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005601cdfa50$a2862380$e7926a80$@allums.com
RE: 32-bit to 64-bit
From: Sven Joachim [mailto:svenj...@gmx.de] > On 2013-01-24 14:51 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: > > > Can one do this? Not: Is this easy, but merely: Is this something that is > > feasible? > > > > I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within > > the same basic framework, within the same "install". That is, can I go from > > > > 32-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland => > > 64-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland => > > This works just fine (with a few caveats, e.g. virtualbox does _not_ > work with this combination), just install and boot a linux-image-*-amd64 > kernel. I've been running that combination for years. > > > 64-bit kernel-arch + 64-bit userland > > > > within Debian Squeeze or Wheezy, or Bodhi Lucid or Precise? Without a > clean > > install? > > No, this is not really possible, at least not without a high risk of > totally breaking your system. What you _can_ do to minimize downtime is > to run "debootstrap --arch=amd64" in a dedicated filesystem and then > install the same packages as on your i386 system in the chroot (export > the list on i386 with "dpkg --get-selections" and import it on amd64 > with "dpkg --set-selections"), and then copy over your /etc directory > (you need to adapt fstab of course, but no other changes should be > necessary). > > Then you should be able to dual-boot the i386 and amd64 installations, > and you can dispose of the i386 one when you no longer need it. > > > I was thinking that multiarch might help this happen. > > There are two problems with that: > > - Not all packages have been multiarchified, including some important > packages with many reverse dependencies like perl and python. > Crossgrading those will leave you with many broken packages, at least > temporarily. Cross your fingers that apt will show a way out. > > - Apt does not properly support crossgrades, for a package foo which is > not "Multi-Arch: same" it treats foo:i386 and foo:amd64 as two > different, conflicting packages. This means that it will remove > foo:i386 before installing foo:amd64 which obviously does not work for > Essential packages, so you have to crossgrade those with dpkg alone. > This is quite a hassle since you have to install all necessary > libraries beforehand. > > I have crossgraded some packages in i386 chroots that way, but in the > current state of affairs I would definitely _not_ dare to try a full > crossgrade on my main system with almost 2000 installed packages. Let me give you a scenario. I have a lightweight system using Bodhi 1.x. It has a single disk with no swap in a single partition. I can virtualize it easily. Similar virtual machines are used in a classroom situation, thanks to the simplicity of Virtualbox. Bohdi is the choice because it is based on Ubuntu, but uses Enlightenment to help keep it lean enough to download and install in a virtual machine for a class without dedicating a whole machine to something that you only need for that one class. People can do their homework at home. The professor can set up a special environment that allow everyone to use the same thing and minimize frustration. I want to preserve the environment as much as possible, but 1.) resize the disk image and add swap and a separate /boot and /home partition 2.) upgrade Bohdi to 2.2.x 3.) move from 32-bit to 64-bit. The first I can easily do, disks and partitions are child's play, these days (back up your data!). No. 2, I can do, it is a bit tricky, but it is similar to upgrading Ubuntu. To do it, you can install more Ubuntu infrastructure and use the upgrader, do simply do it the Debian Way, with apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, etc. The third bit is the hard part. I am wondering if I should go from lucid to precise first, or do the 32/64-bit trick first. Or is there a way to do both at once? If I package it into a virtual machine instance, first, then I can snapshot along the way. I can revert the snapshot if I screw it up, and start over. Also, I can then deploy the newly refurbished system as a student virtual machine. I want to go back to native-on-bare-metal, there are ways to do that, too. The scenario is relevant for Debian-User because I want to do something similar with other (Debian) machines and because this is a learning experience for me, and others reading this list might gain something useful as well. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005501cdfa4b$b5b19de0$2114d9a0$@allums.com
RE: 32-bit to 64-bit
> From: Gary Dale [mailto:garyd...@rogers.com] > > I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within > > the same basic framework, within the same "install". That is, can I go from > > > > 32-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland => > > 64-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland => > > 64-bit kernel-arch + 64-bit userland > > > > within Debian Squeeze or Wheezy, or Bodhi Lucid or Precise? > > > > Advice? > Yes. You can add the AMD64 architecture then install an AMD64 kernel, > reboot into it and you're running a 64bit system. > > I suspect there is more to it than that, but I've done it in the past > and it did give me a bootable 64bit system. > From: Darac Marjal [mailto:mailingl...@darac.org.uk] > Because this web page could do with more promotion: http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser?highlight=%28debian-user%29#Are_cr oss-grades_possible.3F Thank you both. Is good to know. Does anyone have any recent, direct experience doing this? What are the pitfalls? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005101cdfa40$10d778e0$32866aa0$@allums.com
32-bit to 64-bit
Can one do this? Not: Is this easy, but merely: Is this something that is feasible? I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within the same "install". That is, can I go from 32-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland => 64-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland => 64-bit kernel-arch + 64-bit userland within Debian Squeeze or Wheezy, or Bodhi Lucid or Precise? Without a clean install? I was thinking that multiarch might help this happen. Advice? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/004001cdfa39$e3eb9740$abc2c5c0$@allums.com
Upgrade from stable to testing hosed my server
I used aptitude to upgrade a headless server from Debian stable to Debian testing. The upgrade did not generate any error messages, but when I rebooted I could not ssh into the box (connection refused) nor do I get any output on a monitor I attached to the box (no signal). Apache does not appear to be running either on the box (could not connect to the box). I can successfully ping the box. Any suggestions on how to fix this this server would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mark
RE: Gnome 3 Fallback Mode forked
> From: Yaro Kasear [mailto:y...@marupa.net] > On 01/20/2013 06:35 AM, Mark Allums wrote: > > Slashdot reported that SolusOS has announced a fork of the Gnome 3 > Fallback > > Mode. It is designed to bring back the mode that was cut from Gnome 3 > with > > version 3.8. Like the original fallback mode, it uses gtk3 and does not > > require hardware acceleration. It also allows a lot of old GNOME 2 > goodies > > to be used again. > > > > Is there the slightest chance of getting something like this into Debian? I > > really like fallback mode, and if it works as well as it sounds, it would be > > the answer to everyone's prayers. For instance, I run a lot of X desktops > > under virtualization, and this sounds ideal for that. I considered opening > > a wish list bug, but I thought I would get some feedback first. > > > > Comments? > > > Um... isn't this basically just Cinnamon? No, not at all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00ee01cdf72a$59b825a0$0d2870e0$@allums.com
RE: Gnome 3 Fallback Mode forked
From: Ralf Mardorf [mailto:ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net] > Just my personal preference. > > I switched to Xfce, but I'm still using applications from bloated DEs I > used in the past, IOW I still use KDE and GNOME apps. > > By doing this I run into serious issues on latest Xubuntu. I guess the > apps are more up-to-date versions, than used on Debian. > > On FreeBSD everythng was ok, but today finished an update and now I've > got > some of those issues I know from my Linux installs, for FreeBSD too. > > It will be very hard for me, but I'll try to drop as much GNOME and KDE > apps as possible. > > We already have a KDE3 fork and IIRC 2 GNOME 2 forks, I guess a GNOME 3 > fallback mode fork only will split the manpower and make it hard to > maintain package compatibility between the original DEs and their forks. > It's my personal opinion, that it won't archive anything good, since the > apps we like to use, depend to the policies of those bloated DEs. Have you not tried MATE, then? MATE is the fork of GNOME 2, and they have renamed EVERYTHING, and managed to make it easy for it and Gnome 3 to coexist. Most Gnome apps just need gtk (2 or 3) to run, and don't necessarily need all of Gnome in order to be used. Of course, quite a few of them don't make any sense outside the context of Gnome. Anyway, MATE is maturing fast, and it's currently pretty nifty. The objection some Debian people have to it is code duplication, but I don't see that as a big deal. As long as it has maintainers, it will be viable, and an awful lot of people really hate Gnome 3. I also note that Debian has added Cinnamon. And has had the alpha and beta versions of Enlightenment e17 for *years*. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00e801cdf715$563fd450$02bf7cf0$@allums.com
Gnome 3 Fallback Mode forked
Slashdot reported that SolusOS has announced a fork of the Gnome 3 Fallback Mode. It is designed to bring back the mode that was cut from Gnome 3 with version 3.8. Like the original fallback mode, it uses gtk3 and does not require hardware acceleration. It also allows a lot of old GNOME 2 goodies to be used again. Is there the slightest chance of getting something like this into Debian? I really like fallback mode, and if it works as well as it sounds, it would be the answer to everyone's prayers. For instance, I run a lot of X desktops under virtualization, and this sounds ideal for that. I considered opening a wish list bug, but I thought I would get some feedback first. Comments? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00e101cdf70a$a9f1eb70$fdd5c250$@allums.com
RE: [1/2OT] how to delete ??? file
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:48:10PM +0800, lina wrote: > > > > It's well maintained, at least far better than other boxes I met before. > > Just it might be my fault, long long time ago, I might chmod blindly at > > that time. > > I thought of chmod, so why not just try chmod/chown back? You might > still get "permission denied" though. Directories must be marked executable to be used properly. Even root has to deal with that. My guess is that a corrupted filesystem combined with a directory not set with the +x flag is the problem. Succeeding at deleting the directory may not have completely solved the problem. I think it needs an fsck. The difficulty is that on big iron, dismounting a fs may be difficult, and rebooting impossible. Tell your sysadmin and let them make the decision. They probably ought to know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/006001cdf60b$1b11d8c0$51358a40$@allums.com
RE: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
> This is a problem with qemu. I seem to have missed the line about "except > 64-bit guests on 32-bit hosts" Reloading with the amd64 iso image has > resolved the problems. I just allocated 3073 MB to a vm with no problem. Doing that is at least theoretically possible with hardware virtualization support. I ran 64-bit Window Vista guest under 32-bit Windows XP host once just for the heck of it. It worked flawlessly under VirtualBox. Of course this wasn't QEMU, or under Debian host or guest, but at least it shows it can be done. Why it would be of interest other than as a novelty, I'm not quite sure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005f01cdf608$56ee6e10$04cb4a30$@allums.com
RE: debian 64 or 32 bit
> > So, for processors able to support x84_64 archs, use it. Why would > > you use only a fragment of your computer's power? > > There is one disadvantage, i read about it, that by using the 64bit > pointers, the binaries size and memory requirements are on amd64 > higher, than on i386. But bigger HDD and more RAM is no problem > in these days. There is a size increase, but not as big as you might think. Your memory requirements won't double. For all *new* computers, 64-bit is a no-brainer. As everyone is saying, 8 GB is fairly common now for desktop machines, and memory access is far more efficient under a 64-bit OS on machines with memory larger than 3 GB. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/005e01cdf606$fbbc7100$f3355300$@allums.com
Re: unable to print certain pages from Iceweasel
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 17 Jan 2013 at 10:12:28 -0600, Mark Copper wrote:
>
> > Where I am now (17Jan13).
> >
> > The section "POSTSCRIPT PRINTING RENDERER" is no longer to be found in
> > "README - OpenPrinting CUPS Filters v1.0.11 - 2012-03-29". So I'm stuck
> > there.
>
> As you said:
>
>> This is Iceweasel 10.0.11 on wheezy.
>
> Your CUPS installation is not up-to-date.
>
Yikes. Sorry.
Now, with Iceweasel 10.0.12, and cups-filters v1.0.18, I added the option
"-o pdftops-renderer=pdftops" to about:config in Iceweasel:
print.postscript.print_command;lpr
${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+-P"$MOZ_PRINTER_NAME"} -o pdftops-renderer=pdftops
print.print_command;lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+-P"$MOZ_PRINTER_NAME"} -o
pdftops-renderer=pdftops
and restarted the browser. No change in printing behavior noted. And just
to be sure, I tried the "gs" option value as well. No change. (That is
the same error occurs for the same pages.)
Interesting idea, though. Maybe I'm not calling the Poppler renderer
correctly?
Mark
Re: unable to print certain pages from Iceweasel
Where I am now (17Jan13). The section "POSTSCRIPT PRINTING RENDERER" is no longer to be found in "README - OpenPrinting CUPS Filters v1.0.11 - 2012-03-29". So I'm stuck there. I installed the debs from Brother and modified the printer version in CUPS using Brother supplied drivers, but, alas, no improvement to report: # dpkg -l | grep "Brother.*5370" ii cupswrapperhl5370dw 2.0.4-1i386 Brother HL5370DW CUPS wrapper driver ii hl5370dwlpr 2.0.3-1i386 Brother HL-5370DW LPR driver Printing the pdf files generated by Iceweasel does, indeed, appear to be a separate issue. Even pdf's generated by pdflatex do not print properly. Something of a mess. One positive note: I was able to print the problem web pages from Iceweasel on the HL-5370DW using the pxlmono PPD, a stop gap that I am using on an older Brother HL-5??? (don't remember exact model) as well. Thanks for the responses. I appreciate it when people take their valuable time to read and respond. Mark
Re: unable to print certain pages from Iceweasel
Mark Copper wrote: > Hi, > > I am unable to print some web pages from Iceweasel. > > This is Iceweasel 10.0.11 on wheezy. The printer is Brother HL-5370DW. > Several PPD files have been tried. > > When printing fails with Brother provided or foomatic ppd files, first a > page is printed which appears to contain only the horizontal rules of the > source page (that is, the parts that don't depend on the font), then a page > is printed with these messages: >ERROR: >invalidfont >OFFENDING COMMAND: >Type1BuildGlyph >STACK: >-mark- >-mark- >-mark- > If you are using CUPS, you may wish to try the extra filter provided in the cupswrapper driver. http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#HL-5370DW I have found that these filters are sometimes needed in addition to the PPD file. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50f7136c.3070...@akleg.gov
Re: unable to print certain pages from Iceweasel
There is one other thing I should mention: Given a page that induces a printer error, that page can be printed to a postscript file and the resulting postscript file can be successfully printed from the command line. That page can even be printed to a pdf file, then converted to ps with pdftops and printed from the command line. However, the pdf file itself cannot be sent directly to the printer. Nor do I have the ability to learn anything from the pdf file as it appears to be binary. Thanks for taking time to read. Mark
unable to print certain pages from Iceweasel
Hi, I am unable to print some web pages from Iceweasel. This is Iceweasel 10.0.11 on wheezy. The printer is Brother HL-5370DW. Several PPD files have been tried. When printing fails with Brother provided or foomatic ppd files, first a page is printed which appears to contain only the horizontal rules of the source page (that is, the parts that don't depend on the font), then a page is printed with these messages: ERROR: invalidfont OFFENDING COMMAND: Type1BuildGlyph STACK: -mark- -mark- -mark- Things that work: 1. Printing to the same printer from Iceweasel on an AMD box running Squeeze. 2. Printing files not generated by Iceweasel, eg Latex generated dvi files from Evince. 3. Printing jpeg files from Iceweasel and web pages that seem to be rendered graphically. 4. Printing from Epiphany. Things that didn't work: 1. suggestions on the firefox print troubleshooting page: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/fix-printing-problems-firefox 2. generic foomatic postscript PPD---prints only blank pages 3. rebooting 4. apt-get upgrade (an updated iceweasel was available). Is there a way to detect which font is offending? Any suggestion would we welcomed. Thanks. Mark
RE: ISO downloads are corrupted
> From: Sthu Deus [mailto:sthu.d...@gmail.com] > Good time of the day, Markos. > You wrote: > > I made several attempts to download the CD1 and CD2 > > debian-6.0.6-i386-CD-1.iso and debian-6.0.6-i386-CD-2.iso but in all 4 > > attempts the file presented problems in md5sum check. > > > > I used Ex: > > wget -nc > > ftp://debian.las.ic.unicamp.br/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6- > i386-CD-2.iso > > > > Is there any other alternative to download these images with lower > > risk of corrupting the file during download? > > I can suggest only to recheck everything, then try another mirror. > > Check sums should correspond. > > Personally, I never had any problem (for years). Otherwise You never can be > sure what You install. Are you trying to download a very large file (> 4GB) to a FAT partition? That's a common mistake, and an easy one to make. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/002601cdec5e$85913760$90b3a620$@allums.com
RE: Wheezy Installer Auto-Partition Oddity
>From: Patrick Bartek [mailto:bartek...@yahoo.com] >> From: Tom H >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: >>> From: Roger Leigh LVM does not use unpartitioned space for anything TTBOMK. It uses physical volumes (PVs) which are block devices (either partitions or whole disks or RAID arrays etc.). These are entirely self-contained. Internally, the PV contains its own metadata and extents which are allocated to individual logical volumes within the volume group containing the PV. It's simply impractical and fragile to use unpartitioned space, and LVM only uses the devices (partitions) you >>> put the PVs on. >>> >>> That was what I read--somewhere?--in an article on LVM. It was just >>> one sentence mentioned in passing and was never detailed. >>> >>> If using unpartitioned space is so "fragile" Why do the MBR or >> GPT, >>> etc. use it? Seems to be a great place to "hide" data about >> something >>> like a LVM partition that's not going to change frequently, and is >>> beyond normal filesystem access. Just a thought. >> >> The MBR, whether on msdos or gpt, is a well-defined area at the >> beginning of a disk, not a random space between partitions. >> >> There's no LVM data held off a PV, whether it's a partition or a disk. >> The LVM metadata of a PV is stored in the second sector of that PV and >> its LV "usable area" follows. Your article might have been referring >> to this separation. > > As I said in a previous reply, I could have misinterpreted. I was skimming > the article, not studying. > > So, again I ask: Why that 1MiB unpartitioned space before the beginning of > a new partition? Both Debian 6 and 7 installer partitioner insert it (when > you choose Auto-partition; don't know whether it does with Custom) as > does gparted (Discovered that when I resized three existing contiguious > primary partitions [no gaps added after resizing] and added two new logical > partitions [gaps added automatically] on a 7 year old 512 byte sector 160GB > drive). Got to be a reason. I don't think it's a bug. You are correct, there is a reason. Previously, I said that LVM needs it. I read something that explained it, but I may have misremembered what I read. Perhaps it had something to do with RAID, perhaps it was something else. I remember several different web sites telling me to leave space, although I seem to recall that they were Ubuntu-related. However, there is also a performance gain to be had when aligning partitions to 1MB boundaries. This is true for both 512- and 4096-byte sectors. Of course, since both 512 bytes and 4096 bytes divides evenly into 1MB, adding at least 1MB before and after the partition kills two birds with one stone. This I read on the GParted forums. At any rate, let the tool add the space; it even will calculated the correct size and sector alignment for you. It may be untidy, but it does no harm. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/001c01cdec54$894dd5c0$9be98140$@allums.com
RE: Wheezy Installer Auto-Partition Oddity
> From: Bonno Bloksma [mailto:b.blok...@tio.nl] > To: Patrick Bartek; debian-user@lists.debian.org > Hi Patrick, > > > In preparation of a clean install of Wheezy, I did a test install in VirtualBox > 3.1.8 running under Fedora 12 64-bit. > > To save time, I used the installer's default partitioning scheme. Normally I > custom partition. > > Anyway, I noticed an oddity: There are gaps between the > partitions. Sizable ones. > > Plus, sda1 starts at 2048, not 1. I don't know if this is due to the installer > partitioner or a quirk in VirtualBox. > > I noticed this on a VB install of Debian 6, too, on the same > system. Anybody got any ideas on the why? Wasn't able to find anything > applicable on net searches. > > The only reason I can think about is the new requirement for partitioning > on 4k boundaries due to new harddrive specs. Harddrives used to be broken > up in 512b blocks, they are now chopped up in 4k blocks. I read a good > article the other day explaining the performance hits if the OS does not > properly allign the partition boundaries to the new 'Advanced Format' 4k > boundaries. Unfortunately that was in a paper magazine so I cannot refer to > it here. But have a look at > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/advanced-format-4k-sector-size- > hard-drive,2759.html and look in Wikipedia for more info. > > Bonno Bloksma If you are using LVM, you need to leave 1MB before and after the partition for metadata. Some of the tools do this automatically for you. If you don't like it, you can manually adjust the start and end yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/009f01cde9af$6a645000$3f2cf000$@allums.com
RE: Is this OK in C++ and C?
> From: Mark Allums [mailto:m...@allums.com]
>> int main()
> {
> const unsigned int n = -5;
> cout << "The variable n is: " << n << endl;
> return 0;
> }
> Results:
> $ g++ -Wall -W prog.cpp -o prog
> $ ./prog
> The variable n is: 4294967291
>
> > > This is expected behavior, but not defined by the standard because the
> > > result is not portable. That is, a rollover value will occur,
Joe Pfeiffer :
> I believe it is indeed defined behavior.
> > 6.3.1.3 Signed and unsigned integers
> > 1 When a value with integer type is converted to another integer type
> other than _Bool, if
> > the value can be represented by the new type, it is unchanged.
> > 2 Otherwise, if the new type is unsigned, the value is converted by
> > repeatedly adding or
> > subtracting one more than the maximum value that can be represented
> in the new type until the value is in the range of the new type.49)
Me:
> Yes, defined conversion, but not a defined *exact* result; that is, the
> result is system dependent.
>
> So, yeah.
I'm sorry, I meant, "so yes, you are correct." My first reply was vague,
and might have sounded a bit unpleasant. This was not intended.
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RE: Is this OK in C++ and C?
> Joe Pfeiffer :
int main()
{
const unsigned int n = -5;
cout << "The variable n is: " << n << endl;
return 0;
}
Results:
$ g++ -Wall -W prog.cpp -o prog
$ ./prog
The variable n is: 4294967291
> > This is expected behavior, but not defined by the standard because the
> > result is not portable. That is, a rollover value will occur, but it
> > could vary depending on the width of an int, and possibly by the
> > binary representation. As far as I know all systems that Debian with
> > gcc runs on are two's complement, but still...
> I believe it is indeed defined behavior.
> 6.3.1.3 Signed and unsigned integers
> 1 When a value with integer type is converted to another integer type
other
> than _Bool, if
> the value can be represented by the new type, it is unchanged.
> 2 Otherwise, if the new type is unsigned, the value is converted by
> repeatedly adding or
> subtracting one more than the maximum value that can be represented in
> the new type
> until the value is in the range of the new type.49)
>
Yes, defined conversion, but not a defined *exact* result; that is, the
result is system dependent.
So, yeah.
> > This kind of type shenanigan is allowed in C/C++ because of silent
> > standard conversions.
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RE: Is this OK in C++ and C?
> Is this OK or is this a bug, when the wariable 'n' is
> initializing by negative value? There no any warning.
> Is this normal? I know that value -5 is converted
> to unsigned but probably this should by printed a warning,
> when this is a constant value. What do you think about this?
>
>
> // prog.cpp
> #include
> using namespace std;
>
> int main()
> {
> const unsigned int n = -5;
>
> cout << "The variable n is: " << n << endl;
>
> return 0;
> }
>
> Results:
> $ g++ -Wall -W prog.cpp -o prog
> $ ./prog
> The variable n is: 4294967291
This is expected behavior, but not defined by the standard because the result
is not portable. That is, a rollover value will occur, but it could vary
depending on the width of an int, and possibly by the binary representation.
As far as I know all systems that Debian with gcc runs on are two's complement,
but still...
I cannot speak to the C++11 standard because ISO/ANSI are not asking a
reasonable price for the specification docs, and I can't afford the price.
A good compiler *may* warn you about this, but it may not do so by default.
You may have to turn the warnings on. Note: gcc's -Wall is tricky. You may
still not get what you expect.
This kind of type shenanigan is allowed in C/C++ because of silent standard
conversions. A strongly-(enough)-typed language will not permit conversions to
or from signed<->unsigned without a cast or a conversion function. C/C++
allows this because there is no loss of significant digits (precision).
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RE: Is this OK in C++ and C?
> Joe Pfeiffer
> Jari Fredriksson writes:
>
> > 31.12.2012 20:33, Zbigniew Komarnicki kirjoitti:
> >> Is this OK or is this a bug, when the wariable 'n' is
> >> initializing by negative value? There no any warning.
> >> Is this normal? I know that value -5 is converted
> >> to unsigned but probably this should by printed a warning,
> >> when this is a constant value. What do you think about this?
> >>
> >>
> >> // prog.cpp
> >> #include
> >> using namespace std;
> >>
> >> int main()
> >> {
> >> const unsigned int n = -5;
> >>
> >> cout << "The variable n is: " << n << endl;
> >>
> >> return 0;
> >> }
> >>
> >> Results:
> >> $ g++ -Wall -W prog.cpp -o prog
> >> $ ./prog
> >> The variable n is: 4294967291
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> > This is a known bug in Debian GNU/Linux. Happy new year ;)
>
> Where does the standard require a warning in this case? If no warning
> is required, the behavior is not a bug.
>
It is a bug, just not a compiler bug. It is a bug in the user program.
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RE: adobe reader + multiarch
Claudius, > "Mark Allums" wrote: > > Of course replace the mirror example I gave with the exact mirror > repository > > he needs to use. But the point is the [arch=,] bit. > > This is generally not necessary, unless you want to _restrict_ the > architectures for which APT checks on this mirror, i.e. if you want > to cross-compile armel, hence add it as a foreign architecture, but > don’t want apt-get to check http://deb.opera.com/opera/ on every > update for an armel package. True, he should not need it if he is only using the official Debian repository. A few repositories may need it. I suggested it on the theory that it can't hurt. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/004801cde315$dbfece20$93fc6a60$@allums.com
RE: adobe reader + multiarch
> > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > > Claudius, unfortunately it did not: > > Has he actually run > > #dpkg --add-architecture i386 > #apt-get update > > ? > > He can also add/edit /etc/apt/sources.list to contain the line: > > deb [arch=amd64, i386] http://ftp.somemirror.debian.org wheezy main contrib Of course replace the mirror example I gave with the exact mirror repository he needs to use. But the point is the [arch=,] bit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00ce01cde23c$6d963c90$48c2b5b0$@allums.com
RE: adobe reader + multiarch
> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Claudius, unfortunately it did not: Has he actually run #dpkg --add-architecture i386 #apt-get update ? He can also add/edit /etc/apt/sources.list to contain the line: deb [arch=amd64, i386] http://ftp.somemirror.debian.org wheezy main contrib -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00c601cde23b$16e97980$44bc6c80$@allums.com
Re: iptables; some IPs are getting through netmasks
> Is the above your complete iptables ruleset? Is this ruleset on the mail > > server in question, or on a seperate box? If on a seperate box, is it > > acting as a router, are you doing any NAT? It's all on the same box. It's a complete ruleset except the additional DROP lines which are identical except for different IPs. The modem to the outside world is doing NAT to this box, allowing incoming web and mail. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b7691c06-fec8-4c37-a98a-296d8770d...@googlegroups.com
Re: iptables; some IPs are getting through netmasks
No other rules, see next post.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/572de1d1-09a2-4adb-a3b1-ea1c031f3...@googlegroups.com
Re: iptables; some IPs are getting through netmasks
I've checked my mainlog and the originating ip appears to be exactly the same as the email header; 67.228.245.121 Could it be ip spoofing? How would they do that? Or maybe exim is somehow accepting connections over udp? - I'm clutching at straws! Hoping someone can help me solve this. Thank you for the feedback so far. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bea88d86-18fb-4826-8590-869305ed0...@googlegroups.com
Re: iptables; some IPs are getting through netmasks
Here is a shortened version of the output from iptables-save (full version simply has more "-A pests" lines). # Generated by iptables-save v1.4.8 on Sun Dec 23 16:24:43 2012 *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [252417:278747603] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [255016:258290199] :pests - [0:0] -A INPUT -p tcp -j pests -A pests -s 1.85.17.0/24 -p tcp -j DROP -A pests -s 67.228.245.0/24 -p tcp -j DROP COMMIT # Completed on Sun Dec 23 16:24:44 2012 Here is the complete header from the spam email... Return-path: Envelope-to: m...@alwayspages.com Delivery-date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:15:38 + Received: from mail10.mydailyflog.com ([67.228.245.121]) by megavolt.circle.io with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TmcyQ-0001Io-AG for m...@alwayspages.com; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:15:38 + DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k1; d=mydailyflog.com; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Reply-to:Sender:MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; i=invitat...@mydailyflog.com; bh=sm8vFo7flfhF5iLT2xT+LdgmBhc=; b=a53sR3hO8GyyOhHAoJgQrwbXUJrSdk/MlVo1UFRqOZP7iCBXpxSGZmZbl7EVJLO5yej0G8/ZNjMq owwqd1YiIYIvmxzphJxGqPdJgUt/BkcehrdkKq5BKEBSkkx2G9irpAnk/ztuU9VcwJR3Paz+vP/h h7ydyq7yGSTUks1GfRk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; q=dns; s=k1; d=mydailyflog.com; b=bJbUJAhLY67rVwS6TUhCtxd1tMBAXqYwDcki1Vzz4A5R+6JSaQyD3/cRsI/MzK8AHYr6S0MPQ7+k caUP0jyxD86P3vpXBwzNa1AIK1KwMw4WCxALGvw+CiPBUwFhJMY22DDUktS28LDzP1QScDb6yuI/ SS5re2DR29/KVUitstw=; Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by mail10.mydailyflog.com (PowerMTA(TM) v3.5r4) id hqq2mk1fb9gd for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 04:32:14 -0600 (envelope-from ) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 04:32:14 -0600 To: m...@alwayspages.com From: lily ahmad Subject: Check out this photo on MyDailyFlog! Message-ID: <3a7baa29f6450b2d1d1c2a19403dfa31@localhost.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer (phpmailer.codeworxtech.com) [version 2.1] Reply-to: lily ahmad Sender: lily ahmad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As you can see from the top most Received: line, it gives the ip 67.228.245.121 You can also see my MTA is Exim (no other MTA). My iptables is correct? - if so, how come the email comes through? I have the same problem with other /24 netmasks, for example when trying to block mail from Yell. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/30b9a5e8-3ae8-44cc-a5e0-c317f7328...@googlegroups.com
iptables; some IPs are getting through netmasks
I am hoping someone can help show me where I'm going wrong. I have iptables setup in the following way, basically, I am using the chain "pests" to drop data from certain IPs. Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination pests tcp -- 0.0.0.0/00.0.0.0/0 Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain pests (1 references) target prot opt source destination DROP tcp -- 1.85.17.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 DROP tcp -- 67.228.245.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 (in reality, the "pests" chain is much larger) It seems to work, except I find emails from certain IPs are still getting through, and it's always when I have set a /24 netmask. For example, in a recent email, the header was... Received: from mail10.mydailyflog.com ([67.228.245.121]) ...even though I had the IP range 67.228.245.0/24 in my "pests" chain. Hoping someone can help me, much thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/08061af2-891c-4a02-9e13-2f9309ddd...@googlegroups.com
Re: switching distributions, but keeping KDE... how do i migrate my email?
On Tuesday 18 December 2012 6:54:08 pm salamandir wrote: > i am switching from kubuntu 12.04.1 to debian squeeze 2, but i'm keeping > KDE, > > in the past, i have had considerable difficulty getting my email to migrate > successfully when i upgrade, and i'm wondering if there is a "preferred" > way to migrate/upgrade email that doesn't lose data in the process. The first big question is what program do you use to read your mail? Second is where does that program store your mail? Third, what are the settings for that program? Fourth, are you planning on using the same e-mail reading program? One issue you may have to face is how is your disk partitioned? Is /home on a separate partition? (that really makes life easy. If it isn't, you will find out why) Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212211811.20589.m...@neidorff.com
RE: "restructuring" the hard drive
> On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 19:52 +0100, Gergely 'Dinchamion' Fazekas wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > I'm using Debian Testing, and my laptop is set up with a dual-boot > > system using WinXP and Debian. The hard drive is divided almost > > half-and-half, but since I no longer use Windows (it has been weeks > > since I booted into it) I'd like to delete it and utilise the whole > > hdd for Debian. However, it's on an encrypted LVM - is it possible to > > just boot into a gparted rescue cd, delete the partition... and then what? > > To get rid of the Windows partition there should be no issues with deleting, > but assumed Debian does use LVM, than you can't use gparted to add free > space to the existing LVM. To do that you need some commands, but the > drawback would be, that your Debian and data is spread in an unclear style > all over your drive, if you add a foo (have forgotten the term of the LVM > thingy ;). > > IIUC the Windows does use LVM, however, if you add free space to the > beginning of an existing "normal" partition for Debian, with /boot on it, you > might not be able to boot Debian any more, resp. you have to fix it, or you > simply use the free space to add a new partition and mount it. Bah! Yes, you can boot off of a live distro and do what you want. Delete the win partition, create a new partition and add it to the LVM Volume group, grow the volume group into it. You might just create a new logical volume and move '/home/yourusername' to it. Google is chock full of instructions on how to proceed. Even 'man lvm' will get you pretty far. All you should need to do in preparation is back up your whole machine before you start. I mean it! This means you. You have been warned. Data loss is easy to come by. Back up your data. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/008401cddef6$4ee9d200$ecbd7600$@allums.com
RE: Is it possible to install nowadays on Debian SID the LibreOffice 3.6.4?
"Mark Allums" writes: > On 2012-12-17 21:41 +0100, Csanyi Pal wrote: [ snipped ] > Typically, the dependencies of experimental packages are not sorted > out properly, so installing them can be a trial. I routinely install > package from experimental, and from my experience, I recommend NOT to > do it. I make exceptions for new kernels, and occasionally language > tools, like the imminent release of gcc-4.8, but never anything than > might impact my ability to boot or read & write to the hard disk. > Libreoffice should be safe enough, but *beware*! OK, I have been warned. So, with my sources.list ( one can it see in previously posted mail in this thread ) if I upgrade ( sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ) my Debian system, that has installed only LibreOffice from the experimental repository, how can I know whether other already installed packages from the unstable repository doesn't become upgraded from the experimental repository? ( I hope this is explained clear, because English isn't my first language.) _ In theory, apt will not install from the experimental repository, unless you tell it to, but I never feel completely comfortable about that. Programs acquire bugs and regressions, and I would hate to find out the hard way. Do not! Use upgrade or dist-upgrade for this! Use apt-get install and install the libreOffice meta-package (whatever the actual name is, probably libreoffice. Or, you can apt-get install synaptic and then run Synaptic, where you can see more clearly what you have selected to install. In Synaptic, you can set the preferred distribution to whichever repository you want to draw from from a drop-down list, and then check it each time you run Synaptic, using its menus. In the long run, it's best to learn apt and aptitude from the command line, but for now, Synaptic or the Aptitude ncurses UI are probably the gentlest way to get used to installing packages. If you use the command line, after you install LibreOffice and are satisfied, go back to sources.list and comment out the line for the experimental repository. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00ff01cdde48$1a5e4650$4f1ad2f0$@allums.com
RE: Upgrading Wheezy Beta to Wheezy Stable?
[1] at this moment wheezy *is* 'testing' and you can use either in sources.list. They will start to differ only when wheezy is released (becomes 'stable') at which point jenny will be 'testing'. 'Jessie'? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/047201cddd36$1126cb60$33746220$@allums.com
RE: Is it possible to install nowadays on Debian SID the LibreOffice 3.6.4?
On 2012-12-17 21:41 +0100, Csanyi Pal wrote: > Sven Joachim writes: > >> On 2012-12-17 20:36 +0100, Csanyi Pal wrote: >>> >>> After that I try to install libreoffice by running: >>> >>> sudo apt-get -t experimental install libreoffice >>> libhsqldb-java/unstable [...] Please advice me how to go further to >>> get libreoffice 3.6.4 installed! >> >> Do you have libreoffice 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4 from unstable currently >> installed? > > I have installed only two package currently: > libreoffice-l10n-hu > libreoffice-l10n-sr > > so now I'm going to purge these two packages too. > > Done, but the command: > sudo apt-get -t experimental install libreoffice > libhsqldb-java/unstable > > still produce the same errors as previously. > It might be better to install the libreoffice version from unstable first (should already pull in libhsqldb-java) and then retry. Typically, the dependencies of experimental packages are not sorted out properly, so installing them can be a trial. I routinely install package from experimental, and from my experience, I recommend NOT to do it. I make exceptions for new kernels, and occasionally language tools, like the imminent release of gcc-4.8, but never anything than might impact my ability to boot or read & write to the hard disk. Libreoffice should be safe enough, but *beware*! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/038d01cddcb4$11998470$34cc8d50$@allums.com
RE: Yast for debian
Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Davide Mirtillo wrote: >> Il 17/12/2012 12:57, Muhammad Yousuf Khan ha scritto: >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian? For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you explain the particular features you are looking for? >>> >>> SUSE administration tool. instead of x server, admins can use a >>> pseudo-graphical user interface to manage the server. for more >>> details please read. >>> >>> https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_114/opensuse-ref >>> erence/cha.yast.text.html >>> >> >> What about aptitude? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software) > >Aptitude is nice, but it only does one fraction of what YAST does. >I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides installation/removal of >software, it does at least account management, >service >management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall configuration. It a bit >like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a >TUI mode and a GUI mode like >SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface). I do not know of anything like it in Debian >since webmin >was removed. > >Cheers, >Kelly Clowers The majority of Debian maintainers are aware of the existence of Yast. I expect that if interest in it was that high, they would have long ago adapted it for Debian. Since they haven't, I assume that interest in it is not that high. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/030e01cddc7f$37aa5700$a6ff0500$@allums.com
Re: [OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze
"The OP should be experienced with soldering multi-layer boards" really why should he be? Are all IT personal hardware fundies as well? I started late in the IT business with a totally different previous vocation, and can do all except put a CPU & mobo and cooler together, anyway lets not carry on with this. On 13 December 2012 00:22, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 17:25 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > Mark writes: > > > Any ideas guys? > > > > You may find that pressing down or prying up on that part of the board > > works as well as does the dryer. Inspect the suspicious area of the > > MOBO carefully with a magnifying glass and then fix the crack or bad > > solder joint. > > +1 > > Use a chopstick to press. > > The OP should be experienced with soldering multi-layer boards. > Surface-mounted device aren't an issue, but solder joints might be > plated-through by vias > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Via_Types.svg/220px-Via_Types.svg.png. > Without experiences the vias can lose their connections. > > Hth, > Ralf > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1355350976.2651.23.camel@q > > -- Cheers Mark
Re: [OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze
Thanks guys, non of my suppliers can get hold of LGA1156 mobo's anymore in this part of the world. So looks like i am in for a new mobo, CPU and aftercooler :-) On 11 December 2012 22:02, Gary Roach wrote: > On 12/11/2012 09:10 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Gary >> Roach> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> The first thing I would do is run a post check on the motherboard. If you >>> are lucky your board has a built in post card >>> >>> >> Uh, what? I would not call that luck, I would call that "I paid big >> money for real server-class equipment". I have never seen a post board >> come with consumer-class equipment.Maybe nowadays the really high-end >> enthusiast space has such things? >> >> Anyway, why do you need one? If the POST is coming up with anything it >> will beep a post code. Sure, it is more annoying to decipher than >> looking at a display, but you don't have to buy anything... And anyway >> it sounds like this MB never gets to post. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Kelly Clowers >> >> >> >> > Well my board is an Intel DP55KG that I paid about $180 for. Not cheap but > not that expensive. There is a big difference between beep codes and > numeric readouts. The numerics can give very detailed information as to > the source of the problem. I will be willing to bet that the board got > through some of the post steps even though nothing noticeable happened. Of > course all of this is somewhat academic if his board doesn't have a built > in post card. It's cheaper to just buy another motherboard. > > Gary R. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > debian-user-REQUEST@lists.**debian.orgwith > a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/**50c7914d.8020...@verizon.net<http://lists.debian.org/50c7914d.8020...@verizon.net> > > -- Cheers Mark
Re: [OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze
Hi, I am replying to all, not used to sitting in the dark with the light of the notebook to type only, Out here in the sticks there are always power failures when it rains. I normally use pop, not used to gmail., the mobo is two years old a midrange board with SATA 6 and USB 3.0, an ASUS, I also thought it was the Ocean air and humidity but my other ASUS mobo has no hassles. I have enough lightining protection to protect I dpn't know what and always unplug before storm, I think I was naughty when I fist received the board and overclocked it from 2.8 to 3.8 even though the temps where fine ans I have a fantastic Zalman aftercooler. devede ran quite stable a sdid prime sorry for the s[peeling my UPS is about to go flat -- Forwarded message -- From: Russell L. Harris Date: 11 December 2012 03:12 Subject: Re: [OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze To: debian-user@lists.debian.org * Bob Proulx [121211 00:51]: > How old is your * motherboard? Could it be suffering from the bad > capacitor * problems of the last decade? Are any of the caps bulging? > This * has been a terrible problem for many motherboards and LCD > * monitors. There were several years there that were very bad. Older * > were fine. Newer after they addressed the issue is fine. But * within > those years there were huge problems with bad caps. Was that only a decade ago? I recall a number of front-page and cover articles on the subject in "Electronic Engineering Times", "EDN", and "Electronic Design". And the problem involved some of the most reputable motherboards of the day, including Tyan. When I picked up the old-style (linear regulator) wall-mount power supply of an ADSL modem, I heard a rattle inside, so I suspected that the supply had become a fire hazard. Rather than simply tossing the supply into the dumpster, I sawed open the case. Inside, I discovered a radial-lead (that is, parallel-lead) electrolytic which had bulged on the bottom (at the rubber seal), rather than tearing open at the score marks on top. (The score marks are not decorative; they are designed to act as a pressure-relief mechanism.) The pressure exerted by the bottom of the capacitor against the circuit board caused the capacitor leads to pull out of the solder globs on the circuit board, leaving a pair of open holes. The rattle was caused by the capacitor, which was loose inside the case. RH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121211011216.ga5...@gospelbroadcasting.org -- Cheers Mark On 11 December 2012 03:12, Russell L. Harris wrote: > * Bob Proulx [121211 00:51]: > How old is your > * motherboard? Could it be suffering from the bad > capacitor > * problems of the last decade? Are any of the caps bulging? > This > * has been a terrible problem for many motherboards and LCD > > * monitors. There were several years there that were very bad. Older > * > were fine. Newer after they addressed the issue is fine. But > * within > those years there were huge problems with bad caps. > > Was that only a decade ago? I recall a number of front-page and cover > articles on the subject in "Electronic Engineering Times", "EDN", and > "Electronic Design". And the problem involved some of the most > reputable motherboards of the day, including Tyan. > > When I picked up the old-style (linear regulator) wall-mount power > supply of an ADSL modem, I heard a rattle inside, so I suspected that > the supply had become a fire hazard. > > Rather than simply tossing the supply into the dumpster, I sawed open > the case. Inside, I discovered a radial-lead (that is, parallel-lead) > electrolytic which had bulged on the bottom (at the rubber seal), > rather than tearing open at the score marks on top. (The score marks > are not decorative; they are designed to act as a pressure-relief > mechanism.) > > The pressure exerted by the bottom of the capacitor against the > circuit board caused the capacitor leads to pull out of the solder > globs on the circuit board, leaving a pair of open holes. The rattle > was caused by the capacitor, which was loose inside the case. > > RH > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/20121211011216.ga5...@gospelbroadcasting.org > > -- Cheers Mark
[OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze
Hi, I am after a good quality hair dryer that works with 6.0.6 amd64. Every time I shut down my machine due to a thunderstorm and try to power up again after a couple of hours the machine is dead and only he LED on the MOBO is on. I wasted my bucks on a new PSU. The only thing that works is hot air from a hair dryer directed at the MOBO to the left side of the CPU after cooler for 30 seconds or so. Any ideas guys? -- Cheers Mark
RE: Kobo or Kindle
> Regarding the usage experience of those ereaders on the caput, what > you find more compatible do Debian? > > I know both of them don't have software specifically for linux. I also > know I can read Kindle cloud books using a browser. I don't know for > Kobo. > > Also, to use them as an author, what would be the one I would not need > windows/mac to use? > > I see Kobo has Adobe DRM and to share a book I would need to install > this software. Adobe page shows me they only offer windows/mac > software. > > And finally, what is the role Calibre would play? > > I'm completely new to the ereader experience. I'm buying 2, one for > me, one for my father. I've never used one before in my life. > > I wish to accomplish: > * Install PDF books, and other formats I already have in my computer HD. > * Buy a ebook on computer and save it on ereader. > * Being able to move a book from one to another ereader (remotely). > * Install a new book remotely when my father asks (he lives in another city). > * Write and publish some ebooks. (Using Kile? Calibre? Openoffice?) > > Thanks any guidance! > > Beco Kindles are competent, if dull, ereaders, but they do not read books in epub format, which has emerged as the leading standard. Almost any ereader will do, if you can find the book you want to read in its native format. Depending on where you live, you may be able to strip DRM from the book. Doing so would allow you to convert it to any format, and Calibre is good at doing these conversions. However, stripping the DRM may be illegal in your jurisdiction, so beware of that. Calibre is a very good program, and allows you to manage a large library of ebooks. It has plugins, which you can acquire or create yourself. (There are [highly unofficial] plugins for stripping DRM. Do so at your own risk.) The chief advantage of Amazon Kindle, Barnes & Noble Nook, Sony Reader, Kobo, and so on (the larger outfits) is that they allow shopping for and downloading of books from the device itself, getting the books from the cloud. Smaller readers may be cheaper or have nifty features, but they require you to get your book from some source and then transfer it to the device, which can be tedious. Calibre is a big help there. Any reader that uses Adobe Digital Editions for DRM is at least compatible with a standard. Note: Some forms of DRM are Adobe epubs, but with a non-standard variation of it. An example of this is B&N Nook. Adobe Digital Editions requires Windows. Debian users may be able to use Wine, but I have not tried this myself, so I cannot give advice. Calibre runs well on Debian, and I highly recommend it. The official Debian packages are chronically behind the times and out-of-date. However, the author of Calibre has done a fine job of packaging it for Linux, and installing the latest version directly from the website is safe and recommended. Uninstalling is mainly a matter of deleting the Calibre directory. Creating eBooks from manuscripts is a process. The ebook must be formatted in a generic way, and saved as an HTML document. CSS can be used for formatting, but keep it simple. Then, a publishing converter takes the HTML and generates another HTML document, zipped into a .zip file, with metadata and other resources such as a cover .jpeg. The zipped HTML file can be further converted into an epub or .mobi (Kindle) or other format. Moving ebooks around remotely, if I understand your question, is possible with Calibre. It can act as a server, and you can open a port and make it available on the internet. There are Android apps that work with Calibre server. I am not too familiar with this, since I don't use this feature. What reader would I recommend? Consider an app such fbReader running on a tablet. Get a Google Nexus 7. The 16 GB model is $199. A little steep for an ereader, but it can do a whole lot more. You can always use the Kindle app, or the Kobo app, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/017b01cdcd85$d68afdb0$83a0f910$@allums.com
RE: Guide / Tools
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The num pad on the German keyboard has got a "," instead of a ".". > > Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as "full > stop", and by the United States Americans as "point", I think. Depends on context. "Point" for numerals, "Dot" for program code and URLs, "Period" for written sentences. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/002501cdc836$467b3040$d37190c0$@allums.com
RE: Netflix on Debian Linux
> Mark, your answer was the most intriguing. So, if they are moving to > HTML5, we can expect it to work on Linux in the future, can't we? That > sounds promising. > Do you have any link to a "Roku box". Never heard of it. I have a > desktop station in my room I use to play movies with Kaffeine. I don't > like to watch movies on laptop. Small screen, and to expensive to > diminish its useful life that way. http://www.amazon.com/Roku-2500R-HD-Streaming-Player/dp/B007KEZMX4/ Using HTML 5 and Javascript will not guarantee Linux support. There is the everpresent spectre of DRM to contend with. Anyway, it is difficult to harden Linux to prevent someone from using the debugging tools to reverse engineer the DRM. Windows is much harder to hack in that respect, So I don't hold out much hope of them to support Linux. (Speculation.) Besides, the tech support for Linux would be a nightmare for any company. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/006501cdc7dc$3c3a5200$b4aef600$@allums.com
RE: Netflix on Debian Linux
> >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> Last month I signed a netflix account just to be amazed it did not > >> work nor give support to linux. > > > >> After calling the call center and get the news, I just canceled it, > >> very frustrated. > >> > >> Today, a friend sent me this link: > >> http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/netflix-on-ubuntu-is-here.html > >> > >> Anyone knows about this? Anyone tried it on debian somehow? Is it > >> possible? Any thoughts? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Beco > > > I've been using my dual boot laptop for Netfix for some time and am not > completely satisfied with the results. My suggestion is to buy a Visio > Blue Ray player that has a builtin receiver for netflx and several other > sources for about $150. I think you will need a wifi connection to make > it work. > > Gary R. This works, as does buying a smart tv. If you have a game console, that also works for Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3. However, certain little black boxes, such as the Roku boxes, work, too, and these are cheaper if you already have a Blu-Ray Player, starting at around US $39.99.I bet they run with an embedded Linux, too. Of course OP may have wanted to use his laptop, in which case none of that will be helpful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/002101cdc76b$682adcc0$38809640$@allums.com
RE: Netflix on Debian Linux
> Hi Guys, > > Last month I signed a netflix account just to be amazed it did not > work nor give support to linux. It requires Silverlight, which Microsoft never ported to Linux. Silverlight requires Dot Net, and while Mono works really well, it can't (yet), as far as I know, support Silverlight, even under Wine. There is a project called Moonlight that was trying to create a Mono and Linux counterpart, but I think it has stalled. Microsoft is deemphasizing Silverlight in favor of HTML 5 and Javascript, so a lot of the motivation for it is gone. Anyway, Moonlight can't run Netflix. > After calling the call center and get the news, I just canceled it, > very frustrated. > > Today, a friend sent me this link: > http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/netflix-on-ubuntu-is-here.html > > Anyone knows about this? Anyone tried it on debian somehow? Is it > possible? Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > Beco It works. I have done so. However, It was not ideal. Installing Silverlight in Wine was painful, and Firefox runs not well for me under Wine. Javascript, in particular, is very slow, and requires much patience. Other than Netflix, I can't think of a good reason to ever want to use it instead of native iceweasel. I'm sure that it will run in Virtualbox, but who wants to install Windows on their Linux box? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/002701cdc753$308d9310$91a8b930$@allums.com
