Re: App Banco Itau

[Galileu H. Oliveira]

Precisamente! O deamon roda permanentemente e, a cada alguns minutos,
manda um pacote de dados para um determinado endereço IP, que não me
lembro mais qual é, mas certamente é da empresa. Ninguém sabe o que
contém o pacote, mas o fato é que você é monitorado o tempo todo. Por
isso desinstalei há tempos.
[]'s, G.Paulo

On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 10:12:10 -0300
Atenágoras Silva  wrote:

> Não sou cliente do banco, mas é possível que o acesso à sua conta no
> computador seja possível apenas através do navegador.
> Para isso, muito provavelmente, será necessário instalar um software
> chamado "warsaw", de uma empresa chamada "GAS tecnologia".
> Os procedimentos para isso devem ser feitos junto ao suporte do banco
> (O Banco do Brasil tem um suporte para isso).
> Mas eu recomendo que, se usar o computador, instale o warsaw em uma
> máquina virtual e acesse o banco a partir dela, pois este software
> roda como um daemon com permissões de root o tempo todo, mesmo que
> você não esteja acessando o banco.
> 
> Em qua., 12 de jun. de 2024 às 09:08, Vitor Hugo
>  escreveu:
> 
> > Bom dia,
> >
> > Gostaria de saber se é possível utilizar o banco Itau no Debian?
> >
> > Se alguém aqui na lista utiliza e se funciona bem.
> >
> > Estou utilizando o APP do Itau e alguma coisas só funcionam la.
> >
> > Existem versão para Linux ou teria como utilizar um emulador para
> > utiliza-la?
> >
> > Obrigado;
> >
> >  

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 6/18/24 10:01 AM, John Hasler wrote:

JHHL writes:

Some of us still prefer physical media


Do you mean read-only media?  All media are physical.


No, I mean physical media as opposed to downloads.

Application software, I've resigned myself to downloads, although as I 
said, I am not happy with software that installs updates of dubious 
value without so much as a how-do-you-do.


Even operating systems, when there is no other choice available.

But I prefer my books to be in a form made from an eminently sustainable 
and recyclable resource, a form requiring (at least for the sighted) no 
auxiliary hardware other than maybe a pair of reading glasses (which I 
now need even to read screens). A form that can also be adapted to those 
who read with their fingertips. A form that a publisher cannot yank away 
from those who paid good money.


As for recorded music and audiovisual content, I again prefer something 
that cannot be taken away without physically carrying it off. And I have 
the additional objection here that the most common digital music formats 
use lossy compression. *VERY* lossy compression. And I find it 
thoroughly laughable when vinyl-snobs listen to homemade MP3 dubs of 
their records (surface noise, compression artifacts, and all).


But this is veering far off-topic. My previous message was mainly to 
point out that the thread title can scare the  out of people, 
and seems to have very little to do with what the thread is actually 
*about,* i.e., it appears to be about delivery forms other than optical 
or magnetic media for OS and application software, and compatibility of 
disk-images with those forms. Not about *getting rid of* optical media 
(or magnetic media, for that matter).

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 6/17/24 7:44 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote:

No! Some of us want to keep using DVD and not be pushed away


What he said.

Might I humbly suggest that this whole thread title is provocative, 
alarming, and maybe even a little inflamatory?


Some of us still prefer physical media, whether in the form of printed 
books, CDs, tapes, DVDs, vinyl,  Most of my computers have at least 
one drive capable of handling physical media, and most of those that 
don't can talk to my USB optical drive. And I regularly "sneakernet" 
files between two of them, on a Zip Disk. And my stereo system still has 
a CD drive, a CD-R drive, and a tape deck . . . but NOTHING that can 
deal with downloaded recordings unless burned onto physical media. And I 
LIKE IT THAT WAY.


I will note that when my previous DOSbook failed, I needed PC-DOS 2000 
on physical media in order to do the OS-install.


And I'll also note that at present, the Linux subsystem on my Chromebook 
is, in a word, hosed, and I blame that on unasked-for "updates" (of 
dubious value at best) being foisted upon me.


--
JHHL

Re: configuração de teclado

[Galileu H. Oliveira]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 23:30:46 -0300
Carlos Henrique Lima Melara  wrote:

> Oi, G.Paulo.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 03:51:09PM GMT, Galileu H. Oliveira wrote:
> > Tenho Trixie instalado num notebook HP, mas estou com problemas no
> > teclado, tanto no do laptop quanto num Logitec wifi externo.
> > Quando uso a interface gráfica, tudo vai bem e a configuração no
> > Gnome é "Portuguese (Brazil)".
> > O problema está fora da interface gráfica, por exemplo, quando entro
> > num prompt de login após um ctrl+alt+F3 ou quando a interface
> > gráfica dá pau devido algum pacote "broken". Neste caso, o teclado
> > é... sei lá que teclado é esse! Por exemplo, ao teclar '*' dá '(',
> > ao teclar ';' dá '-' e por aí vai. O /etc/default/keyboard é 
> > XKBMODEL="pc104"
> > XKBLAYOUT="pt"
> > XKBVARIANT=""
> > XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
> > BACKSPACE="guess"
> > 
> > mas tentei diversas combinações de pc104, pc105 etc. e português,
> > inglês etc., sempre com
> >  # dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
> >  # service keyboard-setup restart
> > e todas resultam, ao que parece, no mesmo. Mas como a possibilidade
> > de combinações de modelo e língua são infinitas, não dá para testar
> > todas.
> > Enfim, não sei o que fazer nesse ponto. Alguma sugestão?
> > Só para mencionar, estou escrevendo de um Asus com Buster instalado
> > e com exatamente a mesma configuração de teclado, e tudo corre
> > muito bem.  
> 
> Você chegou a ler a manpage keyboard (5) [1]? Ele indica alguns
> passos e dá outras referências como rodar setupcon para ativar as
> mudanças no console. Eu tenho um thinkpad e meu teclado funciona
> corretamente no console. Meu /etc/default/keyboard é:
> 
> # KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE
> 
> # Consult the keyboard(5) manual page.
> 
> XKBMODEL="pc105"
> XKBLAYOUT="br"
> XKBVARIANT=""
> XKBOPTIONS=""
> 
> BACKSPACE="guess"
> 
> Abraços,
> Charles
> 
> [1]
> https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/keyboard-configuration/keyboard.5.en.html

Primeiramente, obrigado aos que responderam. 

Esta solução resolveu grande parte do problema.

Editei o arquivo /etc/default/keyboard e o tornei exatamente igual a
este aí em cima. O mapeamento das teclas voltou ao normal... no ambiente
gráfico (Gnome), inclusive no Gnome-terminal.

Porém, naqueles pseudo-terminais que são acessados através de
Ctrl+Alt+F2 até Ctrl+Alt+f6, o mapeamento do teclado continua incorreto.
Por exemplo, para um teclado brasileiro, as teclas asdfg resultam nos
caracteres ieaou. E por aí vai. Por que isso é importante? Porque às
vezes tenho problemas com o Xorg e o boot se dá *sem* o ambiente
gráfico. Daí, o teclado funcionar corretamente neste ambiente de
terminal texto é essencial.
O comando
   dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
não faz outra coisa que editar esse mesmo
arquivo /etc/default/keyboard. Logo, de nada adianta.

Estranhamente, o arquivo /etc/default/keyboard deveria se aplicar
sempre a qualquer tipo de sessão. Então, ainda tenho que descobrir o
que está havendo.

Só para lembrar, estou usando o Debian 12 (Trixie).

Sds.
G.Paulo.

Em tempo: acabo de descobrir que esta máquina, ao que parece, está
infectada com o Black Lotus bootkit (é um antigo laptop Windows de
terceiro onde o Debian foi adicionado). Não sei se tem a ver. Bem, ao
trabalho...

Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

[James H. H. Lampert]

I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email 
reader that's named after a cheap wine.


In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . 
except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've 
tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable 
HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted 
plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, 
and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor 
resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed.


Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park.

--
JHHL
(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force 
named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

Re: configuração de teclado

[Galileu H. Oliveira]

Pessoal,
Não tive resposta, então vou insistir: alguém pode me ajudar a
reconfigurar o teclado? O laptop é um HP com teclado brasileiro do
tipo comum (cada computador tem um teclado um pouco
diferente, então é um teclado brasileiro comum mesmo; não dá para ser
mais específico).
Após algumas tentativas de dpkg-recofigure locales, keyboard e
console-data mal sucedidas, não consigo sequer logar, porque os
caracteres são de um teclado sei lá de onde. Nem meu nome de login
consigo teclar. Acho que a solução vai ser um boot via usb. Mas e daí?
Altero o quê para conseguir com que meu teclado seja adequadamente
compreendido? Obviamente, estou escrevendo isso de outro computador.
sds.
G.Paulo.


On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 09:59:15 -0300
"Galileu H. Oliveira"  wrote:

> Vou tentar responder suas perguntas, mas não estou absolutamente certo
> sobre todas as respostas, que entremeei ao texto. Mas agradeço a
> tentativa de esclarecer o mistério.
> Sds.
> G.Paulo.
> 
>  On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 16:40:27 -0300
> Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA  wrote:
> 
> > Le 27/04/2024 à 15:51, Galileu H. Oliveira a écrit :  
> > > Tenho Trixie instalado num notebook HP, mas estou com problemas no
> > > teclado
> > 
> > E o teclado seria o quê, ABNT?  
> ABNT2. Mas no menu do dpkg-reconfigure não tem esta opção. Então, a
> escolha mais ou menos óbvia é um Generic 10?-key PC.
> > 
> >   
> > > tanto no do laptop quanto num Logitec wifi externo.
> > 
> > Mesma pergunta.  
> Idem, ABNT2.
> > 
> >   
> > > Quando uso a interface gráfica, tudo vai bem e a configuração no
> > > Gnome é "Portuguese (Brazil)".
> > 
> > Isso seria configuração de língua, mas qual a de teclado
> > especificamente?  
> Esta é exatamente a configuração de teclado. Refiro-me agora à
> aplicação "Setings", cujo ícone no Gnome é uma roda dentada. 
> No Setings/Keyboard é exatamente isso que tem sob o "Input Sources".
> Por outro lado, em Setings/System, sob "Region & Language" tenho
> "Language Unspecified".
> Há uma outra aplicação denominada "Tweaks" que não acrescenta
> muito ao que já temos aqui.
> Agora, veja, isso é o que eu consigo obter na interface gráfica do
> Gnome, mas não tenho a menor ideia de em que arquivo estas coisas são
> armazenadas (uma busca na Internet por pelo menos 1 hora não ajudou
> muito).
> Além disso, pouco importa o Gnome, KDE ou o que for, o problema reside
> em ponto anterior, na configuração do teclado como o sistema vê logo
> após o boot, ainda sem interface gráfica.
> > 
> >   
> > > O problema está fora da interface gráfica, por exemplo, quando
> > > entro num prompt de login após um ctrl+alt+F3 ou quando a
> > > interface gráfica dá pau devido algum pacote "broken". Neste
> > > caso, o teclado é... sei lá que teclado é esse! Por exemplo, ao
> > > teclar '*' dá '(', ao teclar ';' dá '-' e por aí vai.
> > > O /etc/default/keyboard é XKBMODEL="pc104"
> > > XKBLAYOUT="pt"
> > 
> > Acho que selecionaste o teclado ISO de Portugal.  
> Não, não é o caso. a variávl XKBLAYOUT pode ser "pt", "br", "us" etc.;
> a XKBVBARIANT pode ser "", "nativo" e 1000 outros, e o resultado é
> sempre, rigorosamente, invariavelmente, repetidamente o mesmo.
> 
> > 
> >   
> 

Re: OT: Top Posting

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 5/15/24 6:46 AM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
. . .

No its not, its your refusal to use the down arrow in your reply editor
to put your reply after the question. It really is that simple. If your
choice of email agents cannot do that, its time to switch to an agent
that can. There are dozens of them.

. . .

Actually, it isn't necessarily the user's fault. Thanks to the "business 
standard," (and think about the initials) of top-posting over the 
complete, unpared quote of the entire thread, there are an awful lot of 
email readers (and especially webmail interfaces) that make it difficult 
to follow any other convention, and a few that make it damn-near impossible.


Just as there are an awful lot that make it difficult or impossible to 
send a plain-text email.



Incidentally, regarding the Hollerith card origins of the 80-column 
standard, the very first Hollerith cards, from the 1890 U.S. Census, had 
24 columns and 12 rows of round holes, and were punched with a 
pantograph punch. In 1928, IBM introduced rectangular holes, in an 
80-column, 10-row format, later expanded to 12 rows.


--
JHHL

Re: OT: Top Posting

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 5/14/24 10:41 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

We have a clash of two cultures here.


More than just *nix vs. M$.

In business communications by email, the norm is to quote the *entire* 
thread, every time, without paring anything down, purely for the sake of 
CYA. As such, top-posting is the only reasonable alternative, given that 
recipients would otherwise have to scroll through hundreds, perhaps 
thousands of lines of quoted material to find a bottom-posted reply, or 
worse, *actually read* through all that quoted material to find an 
inline-posted reply.


In list-server communications (and to a lesser extent, BBS posts), the 
norm is to pare down quoted material to the barest minimum needed to 
provide context (originally to save bandwidth and storage, both of which 
are *still* finite resources), and to bottom-post or inline-post one's 
replies, in order to give them a more natural flow. CYA doesn't factor 
in at all.


--
JHHL

Re: configuração de teclado

[Galileu H. Oliveira]

Vou tentar responder suas perguntas, mas não estou absolutamente certo
sobre todas as respostas, que entremeei ao texto. Mas agradeço a
tentativa de esclarecer o mistério.
Sds.
G.Paulo.

 On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 16:40:27 -0300
Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA  wrote:

> Le 27/04/2024 à 15:51, Galileu H. Oliveira a écrit :
> > Tenho Trixie instalado num notebook HP, mas estou com problemas no
> > teclado  
> 
> E o teclado seria o quê, ABNT?
ABNT2. Mas no menu do dpkg-reconfigure não tem esta opção. Então, a
escolha mais ou menos óbvia é um Generic 10?-key PC.
> 
> 
> > tanto no do laptop quanto num Logitec wifi externo.  
> 
> Mesma pergunta.
Idem, ABNT2.
> 
> 
> > Quando uso a interface gráfica, tudo vai bem e a configuração no
> > Gnome é "Portuguese (Brazil)".  
> 
> Isso seria configuração de língua, mas qual a de teclado
> especificamente?
Esta é exatamente a configuração de teclado. Refiro-me agora à
aplicação "Setings", cujo ícone no Gnome é uma roda dentada. 
No Setings/Keyboard é exatamente isso que tem sob o "Input Sources".
Por outro lado, em Setings/System, sob "Region & Language" tenho
"Language Unspecified".
Há uma outra aplicação denominada "Tweaks" que não acrescenta
muito ao que já temos aqui.
Agora, veja, isso é o que eu consigo obter na interface gráfica do
Gnome, mas não tenho a menor ideia de em que arquivo estas coisas são
armazenadas (uma busca na Internet por pelo menos 1 hora não ajudou
muito).
Além disso, pouco importa o Gnome, KDE ou o que for, o problema reside
em ponto anterior, na configuração do teclado como o sistema vê logo
após o boot, ainda sem interface gráfica.
> 
> 
> > O problema está fora da interface gráfica, por exemplo, quando entro
> > num prompt de login após um ctrl+alt+F3 ou quando a interface
> > gráfica dá pau devido algum pacote "broken". Neste caso, o teclado
> > é... sei lá que teclado é esse! Por exemplo, ao teclar '*' dá '(',
> > ao teclar ';' dá '-' e por aí vai. O /etc/default/keyboard é
> > XKBMODEL="pc104"
> > XKBLAYOUT="pt"  
> 
> Acho que selecionaste o teclado ISO de Portugal.
Não, não é o caso. a variávl XKBLAYOUT pode ser "pt", "br", "us" etc.;
a XKBVBARIANT pode ser "", "nativo" e 1000 outros, e o resultado é
sempre, rigorosamente, invariavelmente, repetidamente o mesmo.

> 
> 

configuração de teclado

[Galileu H. Oliveira]

Olá, pessoal.

Tenho Trixie instalado num notebook HP, mas estou com problemas no
teclado, tanto no do laptop quanto num Logitec wifi externo.
Quando uso a interface gráfica, tudo vai bem e a configuração no Gnome é
"Portuguese (Brazil)".
O problema está fora da interface gráfica, por exemplo, quando entro
num prompt de login após um ctrl+alt+F3 ou quando a interface gráfica
dá pau devido algum pacote "broken". Neste caso, o teclado é... sei lá
que teclado é esse! Por exemplo, ao teclar '*' dá '(', ao teclar ';'
dá '-' e por aí vai. O /etc/default/keyboard é 
XKBMODEL="pc104"
XKBLAYOUT="pt"
XKBVARIANT=""
XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
BACKSPACE="guess"

mas tentei diversas combinações de pc104, pc105 etc. e português,
inglês etc., sempre com
 # dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
 # service keyboard-setup restart
e todas resultam, ao que parece, no mesmo. Mas como a possibilidade
de combinações de modelo e língua são infinitas, não dá para testar
todas.
Enfim, não sei o que fazer nesse ponto. Alguma sugestão?
Só para mencionar, estou escrevendo de um Asus com Buster instalado e
com exatamente a mesma configuração de teclado, e tudo corre muito bem.

G.Paulo.

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

[James H. H. Lampert]

I will note that open source software has, by definition, a lot more 
eyes looking at the source. Which is probably why (as Tomas said) 
"proprietary software tends to fare significantly worse."


--
JHHL

Re: What use can i give to linux?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 4/5/24 12:12 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
. . .

Most of the time the platform is dictated by the application(s) a
user wants to run. . . .


Indeed. Which is why I still have DOS boxes  (running IBM PC-DOS 2000, 
with DOSShell, and no WinDoze whatsoever: Xerox Ventura Publisher 
(DOS/GEM Edition) is *still* my typesetting software of choice, and I 
still use WordPerfect 5.1+ and Quattro Pro SE.


And as to Ventura and WordPerfect, well, Corel can go to . . . (rhymes 
with Corel), for turning perfectly good DOS apps into bad, bloated, 
WinDoze apps.


--
JHHL

Re: What use can i give to linux?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 4/5/24 11:35 AM, John Hasler wrote:

Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics.  NASA uses
Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS.  SpaceX uses Linux
on their rockets and spacecraft.  Over 90% of the top 1 million Web
servers run Linux, including Yahoo, X, and Ebay.  Almost all
supercomputers use Linux. Linux has a large and growing share of the
automotive market.  Your router almost certainly runs Linux.


Not to mention people like me, who refuse to use WinDoze, in order to 
avoid paying "The Bill" (hasn't Gates gotten rich enough already, 
selling ill-behaved bloatware and deliberately driving competitors out 
of business?), and who have become increasingly disgusted with Apple's 
"we know what you want better than you do" attitude, and with the fact 
that their upgrade treadmill is getting to be almost as bad as 
Microsloth's (I'd use a stronger dysphemism, involving a very rude 
Yiddish word, but this is presumably a family list-server).


And of course, every Chromebook in the world has a variant of Linux at 
its core (just as every Mac that runs a Mac OS later than 9 uses a 
variant of BSD), and a *good* Chromebook will run Linux apps.


--
JHHL

Freecad in Trixie

[Galileu H. Oliveira]

Caros,

Decidi instalar o Freecad num computador com Debian Trixie e, para
minha surpresa, o pacote não esta disponível. Ao menos não consegui
encontrá-lo.
Alguém sabe por quê? Por ser a versão testing, é possível que o pacote
ainda esteja sendo trabalhado, suponho.

[]'s, G.Paulo.

Re: what keyboard do you use?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 2/4/24 9:56 AM, Michael Kjörling wrote:


If you contact them and ask, they can probably tell you whether the
key caps . . . can be flipped physically.


Unicomp can and will make custom keycaps.

--
JHHL

Re: what keyboard do you use?

[James H. H. Lampert]

I also wouldn't mind one bit if somebody came up with a computer 
keyboard that exactly duplicates the key arrangement and feel of a 
Linotype keyboard.


Not for practical daily use, mind you (I'll stick with my Unicomps); 
rather, as a practice instrument for those who occasionally run Linotype 
and Intertype machines, and for interpretive exhibits in graphic arts 
museums (given that I spend my Saturdays docenting at the International 
Printing Museum, I'd find both useful).


"etaoin shrdlu"

--
JHHL

Re: what keyboard do you use?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 2/2/24 5:25 PM, Lee wrote:

I figure there's a high percentage of keyboard jockeys here so ..
which keyboard do you like and why?


Unicomp. They acquired the rights and the tooling for the IBM buckling 
spring technology.


If only they also offered mice that were as rugged as their keyboards.

--
JHHL

Re: Home UPS recommendations

[James H. H. Lampert]

I, too, have always used APC.

I've heard people swear by APC, and I've heard people swear *at* APC. 
I've had reason to do both, myself (and I won't elaborate on either).


--
James H. H. Lampert

Re: Mouse single click handling?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 12/20/23 1:06 PM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:

I finally switched tactics last year and tried gaming mice. I thought
about the way they're used. It's comparable to how much I click for
emails and research related to ongoing Life.. shtuff.


The main reason why I avoid gaming mice is because they tend to be 
loaded down with unnecessary bells and whistles.


Again, if only Unicomp offered mice that were built like their 
keyboards. . . .


--
JHHL

Re: Mouse single click handling?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 12/20/23 11:30 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

Until about a year ago my experience with Logitech mice had been
good.  Those that had died normally did so after falling off a desk,
which I don't really see as a manufacturing fault.

But since then several I've bought have all failed with the problem of
LMB sending double-clicks when pressed once.  That includes two
separate "Pebble" mice.


I've also been sticking with Logitech mice for many years. Specifically, 
M100/B100/M110, 


But my brand-loyalty has been eroding, because they've been cheapening 
their product. In particular, it wasn't that long ago that, without 
changing the model number, or making any public announcement, they 
pulled support for PS/2 (and therefore for passive PS/2 adapters) from 
what had been, up until then, dual-mode mice. Not a major problem for 
Linux, running on current hardware, but a *very* major problem for me, 
because I also run DOS (IBM PC/DOS 2000, with no WinDoze whatsoever) on 
antique hardware.


Fortunately, I live and work near what can only be described as a 
computer junk shop, where finding antique hardware, some of it still 
new-in-box, is not terribly difficult.


But I can definitely confirm that Logitech is NOT making mice like they 
used to.


If only Unicomp made a mouse as good as their keyboards . . . .

--
James H. H. Lampert

Re: public key is not available

[Galileu H. Oliveira]

Isso aqui resolve?
https://www.kevinhooke.com/2020/01/17/raspbian-error-the-following-signatures-couldnt-be-verified-because-the-public-key-is-not-available/
sds.
G.Paulo.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:46:24 -0300
Caio Ferreira  wrote:

> Lista
> 
> Depois de procurar muito na net e não encontrar a solução, resolvi
> enviar um e-mail para a lista.
> 
> Fiz a atualização do debian de um raspberry pi para a última versão e
> quando eu executo o comando "apt-get update" está aparecendo as
> mensagens de erro abaixo.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *Err:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian 
> bookworm InRelease  The following signatures couldn't be verified
> because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 0E98404D386FA1D9
> NO_PUBKEY 6ED0E7B82643E131 NO_PUBKEY F8D2585B8783D481Err:2
> http://deb.debian.org/debian-security
>  bookworm-security InRelease
> 
>  The following signatures couldn't be verified
> because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 54404762BBB6E853
> NO_PUBKEY BDE6D2B9216EC7A8Err:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian
>  bookworm-updates InRelease
> 
>  The following signatures couldn't be verified
> because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 0E98404D386FA1D9
> NO_PUBKEY 6ED0E7B82643E131Reading package lists... Done
> 
>W: GPG error:
> http://deb.debian.org/debian  bookworm
> InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the
> public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 0E98404D386FA1D9 NO_PUBKEY
> 6ED0E7B82643E131 NO_PUBKEY F8D2585B8783D481E: The repository
> 'http://deb.debian.org/debian  bookworm
> InRelease' is not signed.N: Updating from such a repository can't be
> done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See
> apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration
> details.W: GPG error: http://deb.debian.org/debian-security
>  bookworm-security InRelease:
> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key
> is not available: NO_PUBKEY 54404762BBB6E853 NO_PUBKEY
> BDE6D2B9216EC7A8E: The repository
> 'http://deb.debian.org/debian-security
>  bookworm-security InRelease'
> is not signed.N: Updating from such a repository can't be done
> securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See apt-secure(8)
> manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.W: GPG
> error: http://deb.debian.org/debian 
> bookworm-updates InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be
> verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
> 0E98404D386FA1D9 NO_PUBKEY 6ED0E7B82643E131E: The repository
> 'http://deb.debian.org/debian 
> bookworm-updates InRelease' is not signed.N: Updating from such a
> repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by
> default.N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
> configuration details.*
> 
> Eu tentei várias coisas e infelizmente não deu certo.
> 
> Alguém teria alguma idéia ?!?!?!
> 
> Atencisamente,
> 
>  .''`.   Caio Abreu Ferreira
> : :'  :  abreuf...@gmail.com
> `. `'`   Debian User
>   `-

Re: dedicated IP

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 11/27/23 1:59 PM, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
I would like some advice.  I have been offered a dedicated IP through 
NORD.  Is it worth it or is it not needed?  Pros and cons would be very 
helpful.  Thank you.


Assuming you mean a static IP address:

Useful if you need to self-host something (assuming outsiders are even 
able to get in).


Also useful on both ends, if you have customers for whom you need to 
regularly get direct terminal access: having a static IP address at 
their end makes it easy for you to reach their box, and having one at 
your end makes it easy for them to allow you in, while keeping the rest 
of the world out.


--
JHHL

Re: Acer Monitors

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 10/18/23 5:09 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
. . .

I'd be interested in hearing any comments from users of Acer products.


I have a pair of their VL270U monitors hooked up to my work Mac Mini. 
The biggest challenge I had was building a "portrait mode" stand for one 
of them. They've been working quite well over the months they've been in 
service.


--
JHHL

Re: REeLooking for a good "default" font (small 'L' vs. capital 'i' problem)

[James H. H. Lampert]

Hmm. IBM Plex. Not bad-looking, and it does solve the stated problem.

I will note that like Bistream Swiss Monospaced, it's only *nominally* 
sans-serif, in that it has slab-serifs (Stymie-style, rather than 
Clarendon-style) on the capital I, and one small slab-serif on the 
lowercase l.


--
JHHL

Re: Looking for a good "default" font (small 'L' vs. capital 'i' problem)

[James H. H. Lampert]

What Herr Rönnquist said.

And given that I actually *do* set type with some regularity, I can say 
from experience that, with the exception of some monospaced examples 
that are only *nominally* sans-serif (e.g., Bitstream Swiss Monospaced), 
sans-serif fonts in which uppercase I and lowercase l are readily 
distinguishable are about as scarce as the proverbial hen's teeth, 
whether you're talking digital, photo, hot metal, foundry, or wood.


--
James H. H. Lampert

(And for the record, my "go-to fonts" are all versions of Garamond.)

Re: [OT] connect to Amazon AWS service

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 7/28/23 8:46 AM, Haines Brown wrote:

I've used an on line validation servce to which I submit code. It
terminated with the note that it has now become a web service on the
Amazon EC2 Web Service. I registered for this cloud sercice, but have
no idea how to access an instance created by someone else.


Just because a service is hosted on an Amazon EC2 instance doesn't mean 
that having an account on AWS is necessary for access to it. Neither 
does it mean that having an account on AWS will automatically get you 
access to it. We offer a SAAS version of our CRM application, hosted on 
AWS; having an AWS account is neither a necessary condition for access 
to the product, nor a sufficient condition.


You probably need to contact the owner of the service for instructions 
on how to proceed.


--
JHHL

Re: Convert PostScript .pfa to .pfb?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 7/13/23 2:28 PM, Tom Browder wrote:

I know the binary version of the PS fonts can be converted to TrueType by
FontForge.

However, is there a way to convert from the PS ASCII version .pfa file to
the binary .pfb file?


I have a very old font editor, that I used briefly (on a neighbor's 
WinDoze box -- I don't allow WinDoze in my house), circa 20 years ago (I 
don't recall of the top of my head what it was called), and I think it 
could convert PS Type 3 to PS Type 1.


So assuming my memory isn't playing tricks on me, it's been done. No 
idea, however, what will do it, that's currently available. You don't 
see much PS Type 3 any more, I'm afraid.


--
JHHL

Re: Cable colors and urban legends (was: Error Messages)

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 6/2/23 11:33 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:


This is very hard to believe.  I'm willing to believe that there have
been insulation dyes that have proved problematic, but if you've
encountered those problems in the 70s I find it *really* odd that it
would still affect cables from this century (e.g. sata cables).


Yes, and red-insulated wire has been in common use for many decades, on 
everything from primary power wiring for buildings (when the "hot" wires 
for multiple circuits, or for both "hot" wires of a 240VAC circuit, are 
run together), to automotive wiring, to model train wiring, and I've 
never heard of red (or any other particular color) insulation (or cable 
jacketing, heat shrink, split-loom, or spiral-wrap) causing damage to 
conductors. More likely, it was a particular material, possibly 
containing a plasticizer that turned out to react with copper. And it's 
rather unlikely that any such material wouldn't be "deprecated with 
extreme prejudice" as soon as the problem was discovered.


--
JHHL

A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 6/2/23 8:34 AM, Mario Marietto wrote:

You may argue that developing for a small number of old computers
isn't worth trying. But,first of all,I think that there are a LOT of
old PCs in the world,since poor people aren't only a niche.


Nor are they the only ones using antiquated hardware, or expecting new 
hardware to remain in service until it physically deteriorates to the 
point of unreliability.


Some of us are Luddites, and damn proud of it. Earlier this year, I 
finished a months-long project of obtaining a notebook computer old 
enough to be viable as a DOSbook (IBM PC-DOS 2000, with no WinDoze 
whatsoever), and configuring it as such, precisely so that I would once 
again have backup hardware, and mobile capability, for my DOS 
applications. As a replacement for my dying "bionic desk lamp" iMac, I 
eschewed both WinDoze and Mac, in favor of a System76 Meerkat, precisely 
because a state-of-the-art Linux system would presumably have a nice 
long lifespan.


I don't trade in my automobiles for new models; I keep them until it's 
time to have them hauled off to their final rusting places. And I spend 
my Saturdays docenting at the International Printing Museum, where I 
frequently operate presses and linecasting equipment that is nearly as 
old, or older, than I am, some of which was already decades old before I 
was born.


Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your upgrade 
treadmills, and Linux and DOS are your friends!


--
JHHL

Re: OT: Charities (a rant)

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 1/31/23 11:38 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
. . .

Because SPI is a US registered charity, it is covered by
charitynavigator.org:

. . .

And its numbers are impressive. Although it appears to have been rather 
lavishly overfunded in 2018.


--
JHHL

Choosing neovim over vim as default

[Bharatvaj P H]

vimscript9
 feels like a bad decision, it is incompatible with vimscript2 and does 
not match performance with lua. We definitely don't need another 
language. Until vim9 I thought vim as a slimmer version of neovim but 
it's the opposite. Currently there is confusion among developers when writing a 
plugin whether to choose vimscript9 or lua. And the only point vimscript9 has 
is tha it is available in all distros. Is it time to switch over to neovim? 
Choosing lua over vimscript9 reduces the cognitive 
load of many people.

Should debian ship neovim as the default vi?

signing up to fourms

[Bruce H.]

Why do you have to make it so hard to sign up to the user forums?
Auto gen passwords do not work, and the requirements are excessive!
Antispam question #1 makes no sense.
No (show text) for passwords.
Confirmation item (shield for window) makes no sense. 
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING SO STUPID. (67yr old, been using nothing but Ubuntu 
and Mint and other Linux OS's since 2006. Started with SuSe Professional 8.2 on 
CD's  - 2003)
Wouldn't be here but for lack of basic apps that are standard on EVERY other OS 
I've ever installed and that's a lot of different systems in 16 years.
Cant even find a app for formatting disks, HD's or USB sticks.
Am I going to have to find another distro or can you all get your shit together 
so I can join the forums and use a Debian distro? 
I know how to get around a lot of things, but why are you making everything so 
hard? Having to install every needed app by hand that should be included in the 
OS as standard!

Sincerely, Bruce Harrington

Re: running outdated software

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 10/13/22 11:05 AM, DdB wrote:


But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old
recipe to "never change a working system".
I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box. And I'm in the process of 
configuring and loading a replacement for a worn-out DOSbook. And I 
still run Xerox Ventura Publisher, DOS/GEM Edition, WordPerfect 5.1+, 
and Quattro on it.


There's a BBS for this: it's called the Vintage Computer Federation.

--
JHHL

Re: firmware

[PEDRO H SANTORO]

Bom dia!

Oki muito obrigado pela ajuda!

Em qui., 29 de set. de 2022 às 21:27, Yuri Musachio 
escreveu:

> Pedro, boa noite!
>
> Vê se essa informação te ajuda:
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> On Sep 29 2022, at 9:19 pm, PEDRO H SANTORO 
> wrote:
>
> Gente boa noite!
>
> Como faço para sair desta lista de transmissaão, tentei aqui mas não
> consegui, podem me ajudar?
>
> Vlw
>
> Em qui., 29 de set. de 2022 às 21:07, maikon leao 
> escreveu:
>
> Boa noite Yuri, concordo com sua mensagem em todos os sentidos, vamos aos
> detalhes peguei certinho:
>
>   - Processador Intel CPU i5-11400, 2.6Ghz, 12MB Cache, LGA 1200.
>
>   - Placa Mãe Asus Prime H510M-E
>
>   - Memória Ram -  DDR4 - 16GB velocidade de barramento 2666Mhz
>
> Ao instalar o Debian usando a imagem oficial no site debian.org tanto a
> main quanto nonfree meus monitores que ficam um na porta VGA e outro na
> porta HDMI não são detectados, ou seja, funcionam, mas não são reconhecidos
> para serem configurados as resoluções e ele me mostra como monitor
> desconhecido e são os mesmos monitores que
> eu uso no notebook samsung vaio i3 e funciona normalmente com a versão
> Debian atual.
>
> Quando mencionei o fato de testar meu hardware em outra SO era para ter
> certeza de que minha BIOS está configurada corretamente e o mais importante
> era saber se eu estava com defeito em meu hardware para acionar a garantia,
> entretanto funcionou e por isso pedi ajuda aqui na comunidade pois sei que
> como você mencionou se nas
> distribuições baseadas no Debian funcionam no Debian também funciona isso
> é fato.
>
>
> O Debian para mim é muito importante em minha filosofia e
> tecnologia/estudos/trabalho em meus objetivos.
>
> Agradeço Yuri em ajudar, se tiver detalhes, dica, sugestão eu faço porque
> quero meu Debian funcionando neste PC.
>
> *De:* Yuri Musachio 
> *Enviado:* quinta-feira, 29 de setembro de 2022 20:06
> *Para:* maikonle...@hotmail.com 
> *Cc:* Antonio Terceiro ; dup <
> debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org>; Fábio Rabelo <
> fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.br>
> *Assunto:* Re: firmware
>
> Maikon, boa noite!
>
> Não entendi bem o que está acontecendo... Mas, vamos lá!
> Você hoje usa: uma placa-mãe com chipset relativamente "novo"; usa um i5
> de 11th geração; diz estar usando a porta HDMI on-boarding da placa-mãe;
> informou que usou outras distros como o Kali e funcionou o video.
> Tenho certas resalvas aqui para fazer:
>
> 1 - As placas mães de uns anos pra cá, elas por si só, não possuem mais
> placa gráfica. Sendo assim, o video é gerado pelo processador (se houver
> suporte) e/ou placa de video off-board. O que não parece ser o seu caso.
> 2 - Você informou um modelo de processador que não possui video integrado,
> e nesse caso precisaria de uma placa de video off-board.
> 3 - Não chegou a mencionar se há alguma placa de video off-board, mas
> disse que nos seus testes funcionou usando o Kali.
> 4 - Você disse que utilizando uma porta VGA o video funciona corretamente,
> mas ao plugar a porta HDMI junto ou separadamente ele não da vídeo.
>
>
> Bem, acho que você possui um processador que possui suporte a video e
> talvez só tenha informado a versão do processador errada, mas HÁ alguma
> coisa fornecendo video ai na sua máquina... Só tem que conseguir
> identificar certinho o que é.
> Usou a midia Oficial pra instalar o Debian (só main) ou a Unoficial (com
> pacotes non-free) pra instalar o sistema?
>
> Uma coisa que a galera fala é: "Funciona no Ubuntu...", "Funciona no
> Kali...". "Funciona no Mint...".
> Todas essas distros derivam (de alguma forma) do Debian. Se elas conseguem
> fazer, então pode ter certeza que o Debian também consegue!
> O máximo de informação que você puder fornecer vai ser legal pra gente
> conseguir te ajudar de alguma forma. Beleza?
>
>
> Ps: Nunca desista do Debian!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> On Sep 29 2022, at 5:54 pm, Fábio Rabelo 
> wrote:
>
> Boa tarde .
>
> O problema não se relaciona a múltiplos monitores, este é apenas um efeito
> colateral do problema .
>
> O problema se relaciona com as portas HDMI .
>
> Neste exato momento tenho um MiniPC marca Zotac que só reconhece o meu
> monitor ( um Dell ) na porta HDMI, já testei em mais de 10 monitores
> diferentes, e de quebra 2 aparelhos de TV .
>
> Nenhum deles mostra nada na tela, mesmo tendo apenas um monitor ligado .
>
> Serei obrigado a usar um Ubuntu neste sujeito se quiser usar para alguma
> coisa. ( o Ubuntu Studio reconhece qualquer monitor neste MiniCP ! )
>
> Em 2015, qdo tive este problema e

Re: firmware

[PEDRO H SANTORO]

Gente boa noite!

Como faço para sair desta lista de transmissaão, tentei aqui mas não
consegui, podem me ajudar?

Vlw

Em qui., 29 de set. de 2022 às 21:07, maikon leao 
escreveu:

> Boa noite Yuri, concordo com sua mensagem em todos os sentidos, vamos aos
> detalhes peguei certinho:
>
>   - Processador Intel CPU i5-11400, 2.6Ghz, 12MB Cache, LGA 1200.
>
>   - Placa Mãe Asus Prime H510M-E
>
>   - Memória Ram -  DDR4 - 16GB velocidade de barramento 2666Mhz
>
> Ao instalar o Debian usando a imagem oficial no site debian.org tanto a
> main quanto nonfree meus monitores que ficam um na porta VGA e outro na
> porta HDMI não são detectados, ou seja, funcionam, mas não são reconhecidos
> para serem configurados as resoluções e ele me mostra como monitor
> desconhecido e são os mesmos monitores que
> eu uso no notebook samsung vaio i3 e funciona normalmente com a versão
> Debian atual.
>
> Quando mencionei o fato de testar meu hardware em outra SO era para ter
> certeza de que minha BIOS está configurada corretamente e o mais importante
> era saber se eu estava com defeito em meu hardware para acionar a garantia,
> entretanto funcionou e por isso pedi ajuda aqui na comunidade pois sei que
> como você mencionou se nas
> distribuições baseadas no Debian funcionam no Debian também funciona isso
> é fato.
>
>
> O Debian para mim é muito importante em minha filosofia e
> tecnologia/estudos/trabalho em meus objetivos.
>
> Agradeço Yuri em ajudar, se tiver detalhes, dica, sugestão eu faço porque
> quero meu Debian funcionando neste PC.
>
> --
> *De:* Yuri Musachio 
> *Enviado:* quinta-feira, 29 de setembro de 2022 20:06
> *Para:* maikonle...@hotmail.com 
> *Cc:* Antonio Terceiro ; dup <
> debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org>; Fábio Rabelo <
> fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.br>
> *Assunto:* Re: firmware
>
> Maikon, boa noite!
>
> Não entendi bem o que está acontecendo... Mas, vamos lá!
> Você hoje usa: uma placa-mãe com chipset relativamente "novo"; usa um i5
> de 11th geração; diz estar usando a porta HDMI on-boarding da placa-mãe;
> informou que usou outras distros como o Kali e funcionou o video.
> Tenho certas resalvas aqui para fazer:
>
> 1 - As placas mães de uns anos pra cá, elas por si só, não possuem mais
> placa gráfica. Sendo assim, o video é gerado pelo processador (se houver
> suporte) e/ou placa de video off-board. O que não parece ser o seu caso.
> 2 - Você informou um modelo de processador que não possui video integrado,
> e nesse caso precisaria de uma placa de video off-board.
> 3 - Não chegou a mencionar se há alguma placa de video off-board, mas
> disse que nos seus testes funcionou usando o Kali.
> 4 - Você disse que utilizando uma porta VGA o video funciona corretamente,
> mas ao plugar a porta HDMI junto ou separadamente ele não da vídeo.
>
>
> Bem, acho que você possui um processador que possui suporte a video e
> talvez só tenha informado a versão do processador errada, mas HÁ alguma
> coisa fornecendo video ai na sua máquina... Só tem que conseguir
> identificar certinho o que é.
> Usou a midia Oficial pra instalar o Debian (só main) ou a Unoficial (com
> pacotes non-free) pra instalar o sistema?
>
> Uma coisa que a galera fala é: "Funciona no Ubuntu...", "Funciona no
> Kali...". "Funciona no Mint...".
> Todas essas distros derivam (de alguma forma) do Debian. Se elas conseguem
> fazer, então pode ter certeza que o Debian também consegue!
> O máximo de informação que você puder fornecer vai ser legal pra gente
> conseguir te ajudar de alguma forma. Beleza?
>
>
> Ps: Nunca desista do Debian!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> On Sep 29 2022, at 5:54 pm, Fábio Rabelo 
> wrote:
>
> Boa tarde .
>
> O problema não se relaciona a múltiplos monitores, este é apenas um efeito
> colateral do problema .
>
> O problema se relaciona com as portas HDMI .
>
> Neste exato momento tenho um MiniPC marca Zotac que só reconhece o meu
> monitor ( um Dell ) na porta HDMI, já testei em mais de 10 monitores
> diferentes, e de quebra 2 aparelhos de TV .
>
> Nenhum deles mostra nada na tela, mesmo tendo apenas um monitor ligado .
>
> Serei obrigado a usar um Ubuntu neste sujeito se quiser usar para alguma
> coisa. ( o Ubuntu Studio reconhece qualquer monitor neste MiniCP ! )
>
> Em 2015, qdo tive este problema eu encontrei este post, e entrei no site
> em questão, mas não me lembro do nome. e nem guardei o link p/o fórum,
> sorry .
>
> Eu me lembro que na época foi um tutorial de como instalar os drivers
> proprietários da Nvidia que me levou a este post e a este site .
>
> Neste tutorial havia um script que baixava este banco de dados de EDID .
>
> Não sei se nenhum destes sites ainda existe .
>
>
> Fábio Rabelo
>
>
> Em qui., 29 de set. de 2022 às 16:58, Antonio Terceiro <
> terce...@debian.org> escreveu:
>
> Olá,
>
> Em primeiro lugar, obrigado por disponibilizar o seu tempo para ajudar
> outros usuários do Debian.
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 10:41:23AM -0300, Fábio Rabelo wrote:
> > O Sr. está 

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 8/22/22 4:07 AM, Nicolas George wrote:

. . . A manifestation of the “we know better than you” mindset of the
GNOME people. . . .
*JUST* the GNOME people? I've found that, in general, the "we know 
better than you" mindset is even worse with Apple and M$. And getting 
worse still, especially with Apple.


My choice for volume icons, for example, has always been a vintage disk 
pack for an old IBM 3330 "Merlin" drive, sitting idle, in a pack-cover. 
And my choice for a desktop background has always been a brick wall 
(ever since I first had a chance to play with ResEdit on a Mac Plus, 
more than half a lifetime ago). Do I shove this down anybody else's 
throat? No. But neither do I care to have somebody else's look-and-feel 
elements shoved down my throat.


--
James H. H. Lampert
(I also like a garbage can icon to look like a garbage can. With a 
WinDoze logo on it.)

Re: [Fora do Tópico] Recomendação de NAS doméstico

[PEDRO H SANTORO]

Como faz para sair desta lista??

Em seg., 25 de jul. de 2022 17:51, Mauricio Neto 
escreveu:

> Marcelo boa tarde.
>
> Eu uso um Synology e gosto muito do que ele oferece. Tem diversos
> serviços já embutidos e configuração simplificada. Existem modelos de
> dois discos ate mais robustos de oito ou mais.
>
> Duvidas é só falar
>
> Mauricio Neto
>
> Em 25/07/2022 13:02, Vitor Hugo escreveu:
> > https://xigmanas.com/xnaswp/
> >
> > Em 24/07/2022 14:54, Marcelo Laia escreveu:
> >> Colega,
> >>
> >> Poderia indicar um NAS para uso doméstico?
> >>
> >> O cenário é o seguinte:
> >>
> >> 4 pessoas, cada uma com um notebook, celular e tablet.
> >>
> >> A ideia é ter um backup de dados e um armazenamento em nuvem em tempo
> >> real.
> >>
> >> Isso é posssível?
> >>
> >> Seria como ter um disco rígido na nuvem, mas, ao invés de pagar algum
> >> tipo de empresa, eu teria isso dentro da minha casa.
> >>
> >> Vale a pena?
> >>
> >> Teria algum equipamento para indicar?
> >>
> >> Dois usuários utilizam Debian e outros dois Windows.
> >>
> >> Obrigado!
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Recommendation for low cost laptop

[James H. H. Lampert]

Another place to look is your local laptop store.  My current laptop,
as well as its predecessor, are refurbished ThinkPads I bought there
for about $300.  They run Linux just fine.


"Local laptop store?"

Not quite sure I've heard of such a thing, at least not recently. My 
Chromebook came from BestBuy.


As it happens, my beat-up old DOSbook (an old Compaq Contura 486) 
crapped out on me, a couple months ago, and I'm looking for something of 
about the same physical dimensions (or a bit smaller and lighter) to 
replace it. Something old enough to have a floppy drive and/or a PCMCIA 
slot, and to run DOS and DOSapps without a problem.


--
JHHL

Re: [SOLVED] Re: One-user system.

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 5/6/22 1:11 PM, Charles Curley wrote:


Maybe, maybe not. I got started with a KIM-I: 6502 running at 1 MHz,
just over 1 kilobyte of RAM. Six seven segment displays and a hex
keyboard for data entry. I still have one.


I remember *reading about* the KIM-I (and the Altair, and a few others) 
in electronics magazines; I started with a TRS-80 Model I myself (and 
with high school programming classes on an IBM 370/135 at the District 
Office, with terminals connected over a pair of multiplexed phone lines 
[and a maximum terminal speed of 300 Baud]).


--
JHHL

Re: system76

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 1/15/22 7:38 PM, Yamadaえりな wrote:

hello list

I have thought about buying a laptop from system76 with linux pre-installed.
What do you think of this manufacturer? Glad to hear from you.


I've had a Meerkat for several months, and except for an occasional OS 
crash within 2 minutes of power-up (but never once the system was up 
long enough to actually do anything), it has performed well.


--
JHHL

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Firefox: Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead for the USPS.com

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 1/4/22 11:33 AM, David Wright wrote:


In fact, I was quite shocked when I just tried
DNS over HTTPS for a couple of minutes. The 10-day weather
profile that I screenshoot every day was plastered in popups.

Anyone know how to combine DoH with resolving 14,000 addresses
to 127.0.0.1? Also, does that mean that DoH attempts to resolve
my local hosts before consulting /etc/hosts? I didn't stick
around DoH long enough to find out.


Yeef!

Thoughts of the Homer Simpson catchphrase, and the boss adversary from 
Arkanoid (and its sequel, Revenge of DOH), come to mind.


--
JHHL

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Firefox: Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead for the USPS.com

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 1/4/22 10:19 AM, Michael Stone wrote:
And this is why putting stuff into /etc/hosts is basically never the 
right answer. :)


Au contraire!

Among other things, the host table is the best possible place to block 
access to certain unwanted domains. For example, if you add these entries:


> 0.0.0.0 facebook.com
> 0.0.0.0 www.facebook.com
> 0.0.0.0 hi-in.facebook.com
> 0.0.0.0 gl-es.facebook.com
> 0.0.0.0 twitter.com
> 0.0.0.0 www.twitter.com

you can never be tricked into accessing Facebook or Twitter (for me, 
ONCE is far too many times), and if you add


> 0.0.0.0 bing.com

then bing-redirections will fail every time (and alert you to their 
noisome and  all-too-common presence).


And likewise, you might want to access other machines within your LAN by 
name, but your operation is not big enough to warrant bothering with an 
internal DNS, or you might need to access outside systems that, for 
various perfectly legitimate reasons, are kept off the public DNS.


--
JHHL

debian security for personal box

[Piper H]

Hello members,

After installation debian. shall I change the default SSH port (22) to a
random port?
Shall I disable the root login? and what other policy should be applied
generally for security?

Thanks
Piper

Re: question about different software versions on Debian 10 and 11

[Piper H]

That's all right. thank you.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 1:25 AM Stanislav Vlasov 
wrote:

> 2021-12-08 15:51 GMT+05:00, Piper H :
> > On Debian 10, can I force install the software which is released on
> Debian
> > 11?
> > For example, a given software has default installation version 1.0 for
> > debian 10, but has version 2.0 for debian 11.
> > I want to use the version 2.0 on debian 10, how will I do it?
>
> 1) you may try backports, may be your software already backported and
> available on debian 10. If software backported - quick and easy way.
>
> 2) you may backport software by self (get sources, sometimes fix
> debian/* in sources dir, build package) -- my preffered way to take
> new software before debian testing not frozen.
>
> 3) you may set repos from debian 11 and install software AND
> dependencies - your debian will be partially upgraded and some another
> soft may be broken. Don't recommend this way, system may be broken and
> need reinstall in worst case.
>
> 4) you may upgrade to debian 11. If you does not see your software in
> backports and can't build package - use this way.
>
> --
> Stanislav
>
>

question about different software versions on Debian 10 and 11

[Piper H]

On Debian 10, can I force install the software which is released on Debian
11?
For example, a given software has default installation version 1.0 for
debian 10, but has version 2.0 for debian 11.
I want to use the version 2.0 on debian 10, how will I do it?

Thank you.
Piper

Re: question about a .deb file

[Piper H]

Hi David

Thanks for the info you provided.
The original purpose I asked the question is that I did need that jar file
for Mysql connector for Spark.
As you see the operations below:

$ pyspark --jars mysql-connector-java-8.0.27.jar
Python 3.6.9 (default, Jan 26 2021, 15:33:00)
[GCC 8.4.0] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
...
Spark context available as 'sc' (master = local[*], app id =
local-1638960026416).
SparkSession available as 'spark'.
>>>

In the command line I specify the jar name which must be put in Spark's
library dir.
So I was looking where the file is located in the system.

best regards,
Piper



On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:27 PM David  wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 at 19:21, Piper H  wrote:
>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> Sorry for this silly question.
>> I downloaded the JDBC drive from mysql website:
>> https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/j/
>>
>
> Hi.
>
> Just for your information, because you might not realise:
>
> Debian is a huge project that attempts to ensure the
> compatibility of every piece of software on your machine.
>
> If you download software from other sources, like you
> did from mysql.com above, then you will break Debian's
> methods for managing software compatibility on your
> machine.
>
> If you get a .deb package from somewhere that is not
> Debian, then that package is NOT part of Debian.
> It uses Debian packaging methods to create the .deb
> file, but it has NOT been integrated by Debian for compatibility
> with a Debian release.
>
> This incompatibility can cause your installation to become
> unusable, immediately, or later.
>
> Plus, folks from Debian won't be interested in helping you
> to fix those issues. Because from their perspective, they
> will see that you broke your Debian system by installing a
> foreign package.
>
> So for a problem-free experience with Debian, the
> ideal approach is to only install packages provided
> by Debian through one of its official repositories.
>
> More information on this topic is provided here:
>   https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
>
> Please do read that. Ask here if you have any questions.
>
> It is important to understand that Debian is intended to
> be used by people for whom this restriction is not a problem.
> Not only that, but it is the philosophy of the Debian project
> and the reason why Debian is what it is. There are dozens
> of different Linux distributions, several different package
> management systems, and each comes with a different
> approach to solving the software compatibility problem.
>
> I hope this information helps you.
>
>

Re: question about a .deb file

[Piper H]

Thanks, I'll check them out. :)

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 4:35 PM Stanislav Vlasov 
wrote:

> 2021-12-08 13:21 GMT+05:00, Piper H :
> > I downloaded the JDBC drive from mysql website:
> > https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/j/
> >
> > And got a file name:
> > (mysql-connector-java_8.0.27-1debian10_all.deb)
> > Then I run:
> > sudo dpkg -i mysql-connector-java_8.0.27-1debian10_all.deb
> >
> > And what's the next step?
> > I expect to get a *.jar file which will be used as the Mysql JDBC drive.
> > Until now I don't know where to get this jar file from the .deb file
> above.
>
> You can see content of installed package by command:
>
> dpkg -L mysql-connector-java
>
> And i recommend you do not install packages by hand before searching in
> repo.
> May be this package for you:
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/libmariadb-java
>
> --
> Stanislav
>

question about a .deb file

[Piper H]

Hello again,

Sorry for this silly question.
I downloaded the JDBC drive from mysql website:
https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/j/

And got a file name:
(mysql-connector-java_8.0.27-1debian10_all.deb)
Then I run:
sudo dpkg -i mysql-connector-java_8.0.27-1debian10_all.deb

And what's the next step?
I expect to get a *.jar file which will be used as the Mysql JDBC drive.
Until now I don't know where to get this jar file from the .deb file above.

Thanks.
Piper

NVME disk drive

[Piper H]

dear community

I bought a new NVME disk and plan to replace the old SSD disk on my home
box.
Does this NVME require a special drive for the Debian system?

Thank you
Piper

Re: why Debian?

[Piper H]

No, I didn't take the kernel development. I am just a data scientist, using
python, R, spark, hadoop to do the application jobs.

Thanks.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 1:33 PM SAIFI  wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Dec 2021, Piper H wrote:
>
> > For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
> development  system?
>
> @Piper, if intend to do 'development' work in modern C++ on your system,
> suggest you download 'bookworm'. This gets you glibc-2.32-4 and hence gcc
> 11.2.0-2
>
> Here is the link
>
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
>
>
> warm regards
> Saifi.
>
>

Re: why Debian?

[Piper H]

Thanks for the info you provided @Karthik  .
That would be very helpful

Regards
Piper




On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:03 AM Karthik  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 1:37 AM Piper H  wrote:
> >
> > @Karthik glad to see the info you providesd.
>
> You're welcome,feel free to ask questions,Im happy to help
>
> > Especially for cudnn running on ubuntu 18.04 and above.
> It's just 18.04 and not above as other versions only have partial support
> LTS versions like 16.04,20.04 seem to have support but I haven't tested
> them
>
> > Does debian have good support for DNN stuff?
>
> Yes, my current setup is:
> debian unstable,
> nvidia proprietary driver from nvidia-driver deb package,
> cuda from nvidia-cuda-toolkit deb package holding at version 11.2.2-3,
> cudnn8 from
> https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1804/x86_64/libcudnn8_8.1.1.33-1+cuda11.2_amd64.deb
> extracted to /usr/local/lib,
> tensorflow 2.6 from pip
>
> Basically everything is from debian archive except cudnn and tf
>
> And pytorch is available in debian https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pytorch
>
>

Re: why Debian?

[Piper H]

@Karthik glad to see the info you providesd. Especially for cudnn running
on ubuntu 18.04 and above. Does debian have good support for DNN stuff?
Thanks.

Piper

On Thursday, December 2, 2021, Karthik  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 5:27 PM Piper H  wrote:
>
>> For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
>> development  system?
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Depends on your use case and preference
>
> If you're experienced enough or willing to learn then either of them are
> equally good and you shouldn't have any problem
>
> If you're new to Debian and are not willing to learn tiny things here and
> there then you should consider one over the other.
>
> Most of the software is available for both from official repositories. But
> for some software which isn't available yet in the repositories you have to
> build from source or consider using other sources(either third-party
> repositories or deb,tar packages) which may be of a problem as some times
> you wouldn't find support for both of them. Some support Ubuntu only and
> some support Debian and some support both(although only certain versions).
>
> And with Debian you should setup some things after first install like
> enabling non-free section for firmwares and nvidia drivers, fonts,bash
> completion etc.
>
> Some even expect you to use certain version of one of them like Nvidia
> cudnn which fully supported only on Ubuntu 18.04 although you can get
> around these with some manual installation work
>
> Debian is most stable though.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: why Debian?

[Piper H]

I am a data engineer. Most time works around Hadoop, Spark, Streaming, MQ,
R and Python stuff. I have my personal Mac, but want to learn more on Linux
dev and ops. Thanks.

Piper

On Friday, December 3, 2021, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 07:56:31PM +0800, Piper H wrote:
> > For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
> > development  system?
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> What are you developing _in_ ? Debian stable is pretty much unconditionally
> stable and includes huge amounts of software. On the other hand, some
> teams develop only on Ubuntu - it's not a binary "either/or" and the
> skills
> you learn on Debian are transferrable to Ubuntu.
>
> More details needed :)
>
> All the very best, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
>
>
>
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:02 PM Anssi Saari  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanos Katsiolis  writes:
> > >
> > > > The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> > > reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
> > > > include as many and as much quickly as possible new features), and
> that
> > > it has a large and dependable community.
> > >
> > > Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
> > > works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
> > > were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
> > > Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
> > > any more.
> > >
> > > A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
> > > installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran the
> same
> > > installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
> > > until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
> > > installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
> > > barf when I change hardware.
> > >
> > > For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
> > > Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
> > > the desktop and the Debian on it.
> > >
> > >
>
>

Re: why Debian?

[Piper H]

For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
development  system?
Thanks.


On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:02 PM Anssi Saari  wrote:

> Thanos Katsiolis  writes:
>
> > The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
> > include as many and as much quickly as possible new features), and that
> it has a large and dependable community.
>
> Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
> works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
> were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
> Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
> any more.
>
> A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
> installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran the same
> installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
> until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
> installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
> barf when I change hardware.
>
> For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
> Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
> the desktop and the Debian on it.
>
>

Re: Don't try this at home kids

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 11/29/21 2:41 PM, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
P.S. I am totally unconvinced about the arguments for using sudo rather 
than running as root. You can do exactly the same damage with sudo as 
being root user.
P.P.S The conventional instruction is to use visudo to do the edits. 
Which means using Vi, which is another anachronism that should be 
humanely put down.


That's about the size of it. I've used forty-year-old non-full-screen 
editors that are a hundred times more intuitive than vi is. And the only 
reason ROOT access is more dangerous than, say, QSECOFR access on OS/400 
(or whatever IBM is calling it this week) is because there's nothing 
stopping a Linux ROOT from doing things *nobody* should be allowed to do 
without putting the system into some kind of maintenance mode.


I have access to a number of Amazon Linux virtual boxes, that don't like 
password authentication in general (preferring certificate 
authentication . . . which authenticates the BOX that is ssh-ing in, but 
not the WARM BODY between the chair and the keyboard).


And if you have a system that doesn't allow ROOT to sign on, and doesn't 
allow you to SU, then you can achieve the same result by doing


  sudo bash

--
JHHL

Re: Leibniz' "best of all possible worlds" ...

[James H. H. Lampert]

>>> I also wonder how Leibniz is relevant to this scenario ...

 When I think of Leibniz, I think of calculus (and rejoice in the 
fact that the only calculus I still have to deal with is what the 
dentist has to jackhammer off my teeth [before it turns into partial 
differential equations]).


When I think of "the best of all possible worlds," I think of Candide 
(take your pick: Voltaire, Bernstein, or both), and I think of the old 
chestnut that "an optimist believes we live in the best of all possible 
worlds, while a pessimist fears that the optimist is right."


When I went to Long Beach State, we used CDC Cybers. Which was a major 
culture shock after using an IBM 370/135 (running McGill University 
MUSIC), going from 8-bit EBCDIC to 6-bit CDC Scientific (with no room in 
the character set for any control characters!)


Still, if I were going to a school where WinDoze was compulsory, I'd 
find another school.


--
JHHL

Re: Write *once* storage (was Re: write only storage)

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 9/21/21 10:21 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
. . .

   WORM is Write *Once* , not Write *Only*

"Write only" storage is easy and fast - just throw things at /dev/null
and they can never be altered (or read back).


Quite.

Or to paraphrase something I said, that actually got published in some 
magazine dealing with IBM Midrange systems, "A data Roach-Motel: data 
goes in, but it doesn't come out."


--
JHHL

Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 9/18/21 2:19 AM, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
My experience is that toner does degrade over a period of years. To get 
full life you need to use your advertised pages within a year or so.


Agreed. I've seen toner cartridges go bad. Of course, they had been 
sitting on a shelf for *many* years.


--
JHHL

Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 9/18/21 2:00 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

The direction of travel for printing is entirely driverless, so this is
less important than it used to be.


Really? If true, that is exceptionally good news. The last time I looked 
at new printers, the "direction of travel" was entirely 
driver-dependent, RIPping the PostScript, PCL, or straight ASCII in the 
driver, rather than in the printer's own processor and firmware, and 
anything that could RIP a PostScript data stream directly would have 
cost a fortune.


--
JHHL

Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement

[James H. H. Lampert]

Personally, I wouldn't accept an inkjet as a gift. You use them like 
crazy, and you go through absurdly overpriced cartridges like crazy. You 
*don't* use them like crazy, and those absurdly overpriced cartridges 
clog, and you still go through them like crazy. And the pages come out 
soggy, and are even more vulnerable to water damage than what I write 
with my fountain pens. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing they're 
good for is edible printing, and for what little of that I do (typically 
one page every few months), it's far cheaper to email an image to the 
local cake supply, and have them do it.


(The first rule of edible printing is you don't run anything but edible 
ink in that printer. The second rule of edible printing is you *DO NOT* 
run anything but edible ink in that printer. And you still don't talk 
about Fight Club.)


I have had three monochrome laser printers (an HP 4ML, followed by an HP 
2100M, which I then replaced with a rebuilt 2100M, which I still have. 
And I've had two color laser printers, a Samsung CLP-315, bought new and 
used until it wore out, followed by a rebuilt Samsung CLP-415, which I 
still have.


And I have an ALPS MicroDry, that I bought used, after they'd been 
discontinued.


Before the Samsungs, bought a Xerox color laser. It went back to Staples 
the day after it arrived: It was a lot bulkier in real life than it was 
in the pictures, it made the devil's own noise when it was running, and 
it claimed to be a PostScript machine, but curled up its toes and said 
"helll meee" if I actually fed it a PostScript data stream. 
That's not to say that the Samsungs will do anything if fed PostScript, 
but at least they were relatively inexpensive, as well as being almost 
as compact and quiet as my 2100M.


What I've seen of HP lasers more recent than the 2000-series has not 
impressed me. That's a major reason why I went with a rebuilt 2100M, 
instead of something more recent. That and the fact that being able to 
accept and RIP a PostScript data stream, fed through a Centronics port, 
is a non-negotiable requirement for me: it's either that, or I have to 
dump the data stream to a file, distill it into a PDF, and print that.


--
James H. H. Lampert
Professional Dilettante

Re: Hardware life expectancy

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 7/25/21 6:38 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
. . .

Nowadays, I'm still planning to use that same Thinkpad X30 to display
PDFs in the classroom (when I get to meet students physically again),
and more than half of my machine are older than 10 years old.
Better yet, they don't seem significantly slower than my newer machines.

So, yes, 10 year old machines and still very much relevant.


I'm still making productive use of a G4 "bionic desk lamp" iMac, and of 
a DOS/Linux dual-boot that I built from mostly cast-off parts, a few of 
them even older than the iMac. And I will continue to do so even once I 
get my new Meerkat fully deranged to suit my tastes.


But on the other hand, computers are not Linotype machines (I regularly 
operate one from 1954: that's eight years older than I am), and aren't 
built to last forever. (The speaker on the iMac quit some months back, 
and it now has a chronic overheating problem.)


--
JHHL

Re: MDs & Dentists

[James H. H. Lampert]

"Immutable backups." Interesting concept. But how? Optical media? 
Enormous decks of Hollerith cards? Enormous reels of punched paper tape?


So far as I'm aware, there is *only one* operating system currently in 
wide use, that has never been successfully infected with malware outside 
of laboratory experiments: the IBM Midrange operating system that goes 
by such names as OS/400 and i5OS (among others, and although I work with 
it on a daily basis, I've long-since given up keeping track of what IBM 
is calling it in any given week).


But Linux comes a lot closer to being malware-secure than WinDoze, or 
even Mac OS, which is one reason why, with my "bionic desk lamp" iMac on 
its last legs, instead of buying another Mac, or a WinDoze box, I bought 
a Meerkat.


As to MDs and Dentists making poor decisions where computers are 
concerned, it's not just healthcare professionals: over a quarter 
century ago, I spent about a year trying to fix the hidden flaws in a 
small business accounting program. It had been written, not by a 
programmer, but by an accountant. In C. It was his first non-trivial 
program in a language other than BASIC. And it ran on the Amiga. 
Aggressively multitasking within itself, on a platform where there was 
no memory protection, and nothing but "good intentions" to keep one task 
from stomping all over another task's memory. It nearly killed me.


--
James H. H. Lampert

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

[James H. H. Lampert]

I know people who associate the time-honored metasyntactic "foobar" with 
the military slang acronym FUBAR.


--
JHHL

Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote:

test


I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC, 
and have reason to do some testing ourselves.


--
JHHL

Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC?

[James H. H. Lampert]

Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping this has come up with 
others here:


I've been tasked with implementing DMARC on our domain. And I'm told 
that the Debian List Server doesn't rewrite "From" headers for 
DMARC-enabled senders, and neither does it do anything else to handle 
DMARC-enabled senders.


--
James H. H. Lampert
Touchtone Corporation

Re:  Sponsored post on https://debian.org

[James H. H. Lampert]

The price is our souls, and we all agree that's too high.


Hmm. Isn't that also the price of anything sold at Wal-Mart?

* * *

At least the OP was polite enough to *ask* about posting ads, rather 
than just *doing* it.


--
JHHL

Re: How to capture composite video

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 5/17/21 9:39 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

I have a number of VHS tapes which I'd like to digitize, and I'm
trying to figure out where to start, hardware- and software-wise.


Do you have a DVD-R video recorder? Simplest way I know is to dub the 
VHS to DVD, at which point accessing the video from your computer should 
be absurdly simple.


--
JHHL

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

[James H. H. Lampert]

Suffice it to say that the only Social Media outfit I trust less than I 
trust Facebook or Twitter (neither of which I trust any further than I 
can throw the U.S.S. Hornet) is LinkedIn. Which I have loathed since 
*before* they became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Microsloth.


--
JHHL
(I'd use a stronger dysphemism for M$, but I don't know this List's 
policy about Yiddish profanity.)

Re: Social-media antipathy

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 3/13/21 1:17 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

Unfortunately the way Facebook gained it's huge user base was by creepy
stalking of people in any way it could, in order to get them to sign up,
which is exactly why a privacy respecting social network will have a
tough time to compete.


Not even remotely to the extent that LinkedIn did. There was a time when 
hardly a month went by, that I didn't get at least one piece of LinkedIn 
spam, all from new users' email address books being mined for contact info.


And Mr. Gibbs, RIGHT ON! And I, too, carry a clamshell. A fairly new one 
(my old one was falling apart from age, and on my first vacation in 
Canada, it turned into a paperweight from the moment my bus crossed the 
border into British Columbia to the moment my flight out of Toronto 
landed in Boston). Its browser is barely sophisticated enough for 
rudimentary web browsing and checking my email. And I like it that way.


But I tried DDG last week, and it appeared incapable of helping Boy 
Scout find a candy store.


--
James H. H. Lampert
Professional Dilettante

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 3/12/21 8:09 AM, Larry Martell wrote:

I did the same thing - I resisted being on FB for a very long time,
but eventually I had to get on because it was how my family was
communicating and I was being left out of the loop. I joined as my dog
only my family knew how to find me. Even to this day I am only
connected to family members.


If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are 
neither your friends nor your family.


The very first thing I do when taking possession of a computer is to add 
host table entries to interdict any attempt to access Facebook or 
Twitter (by mapping them to 0.0.0.0). That way, it becomes impossible 
for me to be tricked into accessing them by disguised links (I have 
received such links a number of times).


I have real friends. And a real web site. And list-servers and boards. 
And a life.


--
JHHL

Re: is it possible to add a secondary disk to an existing debian systems and install programs to the secondary disk

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 2/23/21 8:13 AM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

You can always add more filesystem space later. It's easier if you're using
LVM but that isn't required. You just build another filesystem on the new
drive after it's installed and mount it into your filesystems, at the
appropriate mount point.


Indeed, and on my DOS/Linux dual-boot at home, I have the Linux side set 
up to mount all five DOS volumes.


--
JHHL

Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font.

[James H. H. Lampert]

FWIW, "proportional" or "typographic" would be more conventional terms 
than "variable pitch."


--
JHHL
(Feel free to visit me some Saturday at the International Printing 
Museum. After COVID-19 is no longer an existential threat, but merely a 
minor nuisance.)

Re: SanDisk USB stick problem

[James H. H. Lampert]

Hmm. When I put a new flash device into service, at the very least, I 
wipe all bundled content from it, and may completely reformat it, 
depending on my needs, just as a matter of course.


--
JHHL
(I vaguely recall that at one time, if you bought a new wallet, the 
card-and-picture section would contain a fill-in-the-blanks ID card and 
a picture of Sandra Dee. I'd put bundled software on a flash drive into 
that same category.)

Re: Very old hardware...

[James H. H. Lampert]

David Wright wrote:

Why do I keep mine? 1) Sentimentality, as it was the one on my work desk
when I retired. 2) Being a tower, it has room for up to 4 PATA drives.
The loaned Optiplex only holds one—after that, I'm down to an old PATA
caddy. 3) There's no WEEE here, so I'm not sure exactly how one gets
rid of it anyway.


Some years ago, I tried ordering a box from a local custom-builder. The 
fact that the BIOS and/or FDC on it would not accept dual floppy drives 
was an annoyance. The fact that Xerox Ventura Publisher (DOS/GEM 
Edition) would not run on it *at all* was the show-stopper. It went back 
about 24 hours after I took delivery.


I've since learned that there is at least one custom-builder that 
specializes in DOS boxes optimized for legacy apps, but with my "spare 
parts" dual-boot, I haven't had a pressing need to determine whether 
their boxes will run VPGEM (and they are not certain themselves).


--
JHHL

Re: Very old hardware...

[James H. H. Lampert]

My DOS/Linux dual-boot at home was constructed from spare parts, 
including a cast-off Dell motherboard from work that is old enough to 
support two physical floppy drives (it has a 360k and a 1.44M).


It runs IBM PC-DOS 2000 (lightning fast), with DOSSHELL, WordPerfect 
5.1, Quattro, and Xerox Ventura Publisher (DOS/GEM Edition).


And it runs Ubuntu Hardy Heron, with a fairly old version of Gnome. 
Perhaps if I were configuring the Linux side of it today, I might have 
used Debian, and consulted this List for guidance.


It does NOT run WinDoze, and neither does my PC-DOS 2000 notebook (a 
486). I don't allow WinDoze in the house.


And as to computer museums, I highly recommend the CHM, in Mountain 
View, CA. The only real fault I've ever found with it is that they did 
not see fit to include an IBM Merlin (neither a drive, nor even a pack) 
in their early removable-pack hard drive exhibit.


--
James H. H. Lampert

Re: new camera

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 6/26/20 1:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

But this stretch machine can't find it amongst all the other usb stuff.
It doesn't have cheese, and vlc doesn't recognize it.

. . .

Anybody have an idea of what driver this camera needs?


Would transferring images on memory cards be a workable solution?

--
JHHL

Re: technical terms overhaul

[James H. H. Lampert]

Personally, if I were a moderator on this List, I would order this 
thread terminated with extreme prejudice.


--
JHHL

Re: waaay offtopic

[James H. H. Lampert]

Personally, I have a clamshell.

It's my second clamshell, an LG VN220. It replaced my previous 
clamshell, after my first vacation to Canada: the previous clamshell was 
a paperweight from the moment my bus from Seattle to Vancouver crossed 
the Canadian border, up to the moment my flight from Toronto landed back 
in the U.S.


It has a camera, a rudimentary web browser, and a totally useless email 
reader that will not connect to my ISP's mail server AT ALL. 
(Fortunately, the web browser works just fine with my ISP's web-mail 
interface.)


And if I need to go online with my tablet, my phone can provide a WiFi 
hotspot for it. (I flatly refuse to accept a home broadband connection 
until such time as Net Neutrality is legislated, court-tested, settled law.)


Before my first clamshell, I had "candy bar" phones. Then, while on 
vacation, I chest-dialed home, and nearly put my mother in the hospital 
with worry.


--
JHHL

NVIDIA Prime Offload

[subhan h]

hey. i love debian and that's the only reason i'm composing this mail right
now.
due to poor performance of "Bumblebee" method which is the wiki's official
way of handling NVIDIA Optimus on my new laptop, sadly i had to switch to
another distribution recently.
could you please make these two, NVIDIA 435.17 proprietary driver and X.Org
Server 1.21, available on "buster" not the experimental repo?
please don't tell me i have to wait until the next stable release on 2021
:'(

thank you all.

Re: This is weird: I can ssh into a box, but I can't access it directly

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 2/26/20 8:52 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:

Are you ssh'ing in as root?  If not, is your user's $HOME on the
machine's failing disk, or another (remote?) drive?


and I replied (off-List, and *not* intentionally so):

Yes. As root.

Oh, and one other thing, the thing that brought this to my attention in the 
first place: something in the server cage is emitting a faint beep (or perhaps 
a faint squeak of a dying hard drive), every second or so. I think it's coming 
from that selfsame box.


I signed on again via ssh, intending to just shut the thing down for 
good, and noticed two things:

1. "shutdown" didn't work
2. It was telling me I'd last signed on sometime in January, when in 
fact, I'd signed on yesterday.


Further investigation of #1 led me to find out that it was getting a 
disk error just trying to shut itself down.


It's clearly toast. So I did a hard shutdown (and disconnected the 
power, for good measure.


And it *was* the source of the faint beeping.

--
JHHL

This is weird: I can ssh into a box, but I can't access it directly

[James H. H. Lampert]

One of our Linux boxes is behaving oddly. If I ssh into it, I can 
connect easily, and I get:

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Wed Jan 29 08:32:12 2020 from 192.168.1.15


But if I go into the server cage, and punch it up on the KVM switch, and 
try to sign on as root, I get:

Debian GNU/Linux 8 Titan tty1

Titan login: root
[10371235.533392] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 105228592


and after a few seconds, the screen clears, and goes back to

Debian GNU/Linux 8 Titan tty1

Titan login:


Or, at other times, when I punch it up on the KVM switch, I get a whole 
screen full of hard disk error messages.


It's pretty clear to me that the box is more-or-less shot anyway (even 
from the ssh session, if I try to "cd home," I get an error message), 
but can somebody tell me why I'm getting one behavior through ssh, and 
completely different behavior through a direct connection?


--
JHHL

Re: "Ethernet trouble" thread

[Tom H]

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 2:54 PM Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 01, 2020 at 05:45:26PM +0100, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> You state that it's no longer udev that renames NICs. The following's
>> from a sid VM using svsinit+sysvrc.
> [...]
>> udev is renaming "eth0".
>>
>> You can still use "/etc/udev/rules.d/" to rename NICs. Just like with
>> "/etc/systemd/network/*.link", you gain simple names linked to a NIC's
>> MAC address, but lose the predictable names' advantage that swapiing
>> out a NIC preserves its name.
>
> Yes, it MIGHT still work. Or it might not. Support for it has
> been officially removed. Whatever the 70-persistent-net.rules file
> does on your system is unique to your system.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Network_interface_name_migration
>
>  "The buster release notes warn that the
>  /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules method for assigning
>  persistent network interface names is no longer supported."
>
> https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names
>
>  "If your system was upgraded from an earlier release, and still uses
>  the old-style network interface names that were deprecated with stretch
>  (such as eth0 or wlan0), you should be aware that the mechanism of
>  defining their names via /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is
>  officially not supported by udev in buster (while it may still work
>  in some cases)."

Thanks. Even though this is the official policy/statement, I don't buy it.

The problem's that "70-persistent-net.rules" has been used to rename
NICs within the kernel "ethX" namespace. Until udev upstream declares
the "SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTR{address}=="mac_address",
NAME="net0" syntax and mechanism deprecated/obsoleted, I'll assume
that the Debian release notes and wiki are wrongly melding the fact
that renaming a NIC to "ethX" is deprecated (and that it might not
work in the future), with the fact that
"/etc/udev/rules.d/.rule" can still be used to associate a
NIC's MAC address with a name.

AMD 10.2 netinstall

[tom h]

Hello,

Recently I have installed stable on a few old optiplex workstations that
have an AMD graphics card.  On first boot I always get a black screen and
have to:

   1. Enable non-free
   2. Install firmware-linux-nonfree. Even though the netinstall media is
   firmware-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
   


I see references to the AMD driver existing in the kernel and thought it
would load at boot time.

What am I missing?

Cheers,

package install: pinning and warnings

[tom h]

So I've got a test box that I have sid installed on and the following in my
/etc/apt/preferences

Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 1000

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 100

I also have these two packages installed:
sapt-listbugs apt-listchanges

I went to install libvirt and received a number of bug warnings so I
was hesitant.

Whats the best practice to get a package and NOT install the bug
versions?  Raise the priority of

the testing branch temporarily?

Thanks!

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

[James H. H. Lampert]

The OP wanted this treated as a survey, and so . . .

Many dialects and derivatives of BASIC, including (but not limited to) 
IBM VS-BASIC (ran on 370 and compatible mainframes), TRS-80 Level 1, 
Level 2, and Mod I Disk BASIC, GWBASIC, and the various QBASICs 
(QuickBASIC and QBX). (I took one look at VisualBASIC, and swore off any 
further M$ development tools.)


FORTRAN (mainly FORTRAN IV: IBM G1, WATFIV, and TRS-80 FORTRAN).

Pascal (CDC Cyber Pascal).

COBOL (also on a CDC Cyber).

PL/I (CDC Cyber PL/I; CDC ANSI PL/I; IBM AS/400 PL/I).

Assemblers (DEC Macro-11, 8086).

(LISP)   <-- the parentheses are an inside joke.

C (mainly on AS/400s). I must go down to the 'C' again, to the loony 
'C,' and cry.


Modula-2

MI (it's the closest you are allowed to get to a true assembler language 
on an AS/400)


RPG/400 (both OPM and ILE)

CL (on AS/400s; it's like a shell script, only compiled).

Java

I've forgotten just about all the SmallTalk I ever learned.

I can get by in SQL.

The more programming languages you know, the easier it is to pick up 
additional programming languages. And the less likely you are to treat 
your favorite language (or the only one you know) as a panacea. And if 
you have good linkage capabilities, mixed-language work is not difficult 
at all.


Not much that's on the published list. But then again, when I leave my 
present employment, I'm probably never going to write a single line of 
code professionally again.


--
JHHL

Re: Bug?

[Thomas H. George]

Yes, I was originally using another desktop, lxde, and switched to 
gnome. Now I can't switch back


On 09/18/2019 08:01 AM, songbird wrote:

Thomas H. George wrote:
...

Two problems after a distribution upgrade to Buster

1. At login window after boot up the desktop selection is locked a
Gnome. That is, if the symbol to change the desktop selection is
selected a list of available desktops is displayed with a dot indicating
Gnome is the current selections. There is no way to move this dot to
another selection. The mouse is frozen and I have tried every key on the
key board.

   are you sure you have yet another desktop installed and
available to select?  you don't mention if you've actually
installed another desktop that should show up in the menu
or not.

   so it may not actually be a bug because there is nothing
else to select.



2. There is no sound. The alsamixer and the Gnome sound tool show only
an HDMI option but my monitor has no speakers. If I reboot to Stretch
there is a line out option and there is sound from my external speakers.

So rebooting to Stretch solves the sound problem but not the desktop
selection problem.

Kernel problem? Gnome problem? Pulseaudio problem?

   i'm not a sound expert by far, so this i will leave for
others to answer/ask about.


   songbird

Bug?

[Thomas H. George]

Two problems after a distribution upgrade to Buster

1. At login window after boot up the desktop selection is locked a 
Gnome. That is, if the symbol to change the desktop selection is 
selected a list of available desktops is displayed with a dot indicating 
Gnome is the current selections. There is no way to move this dot to 
another selection. The mouse is frozen and I have tried every key on the 
key board.


2. There is no sound. The alsamixer and the Gnome sound tool show only 
an HDMI option but my monitor has no speakers. If I reboot to Stretch 
there is a line out option and there is sound from my external speakers.


So rebooting to Stretch solves the sound problem but not the desktop 
selection problem.


Kernel problem? Gnome problem? Pulseaudio problem?

distribution model, in search of vision

[H . E . Çitak]

Well accepted 3 variations of Debian is the norm. live CD version is there.
When I made the transition to old laptops the wireless adapter was
consistently a problem, so I moved to derivatives because I could install
them as OS. They have their own strengths and weaknesses. I want Debian
back on my stinking old computers installable for sure, rich and no frills.
I also want just enough next to assembly codes of select general
applications. Is reduction-ism the word for it? Like one additional
distribution, worked on and with forever. Or, am I too lazy to keep
stepping up? Is there another way to absorb improvements transparently?

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

[James H. H. Lampert]

Hmm. And as anybody old enough to have grown up on "Emergency!" (and to 
remember a rescue involving a worker caught in a vinyl record press), if 
you reverse any two of the three hot wires on a 3-phase motor, you 
reverse the direction of rotation.


Which caused a rather amusing malfunction at the International Printing 
Museum, where I spend my Saturdays docenting: our Heidelberg cylinder 
press was not feeding paper, and we eventually realized it was running 
backwards, because somebody working on the wiring had gotten two wires 
switched. Thank God it wasn't the Heidelberg Windmill: you run those 
backwards more than 1 or 2 degrees, and they shred themselves.


--
James H. H. Lampert

Re: Debian Programming languages

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 5/24/19, 11:00 AM, ghe wrote:

I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level language I
learned. Thought I was going to die...


(CLUTTER CLUTTER (CDR CLUTTER)) is probably the only s-expression I 
still remember from over half a lifetime ago. (It's a line of code from 
the "Blocks World" exercise in my old (LISP) textbook).


--
JHHL

Re: Debian Programming languages

[James H. H. Lampert]

Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I?

--
JHHL
(And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.)

Re: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 2/21/19, 8:27 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:


Never received bounce spam aka backscatter spam? Remember that time
(perhaps 1-2 years ago) where this very list was plagued by an
especially evil form of backscatter involving the useful idiot at
the other end of some smartphone?


No question, I've definitely received it. Just as I've received phone 
calls from victims of phone-spam with same-prefix caller-ID spoofing 
(given that I know for a fact that there is nobody with the same prefix 
as my cell phone who has any business calling me on it, I treat all 
calls with my own prefix as either phone spam or attempts to call a 
spammer who spoofed my number).


But even when I had an ISP whose server-side spam filter allowed 
bouncing as an option, I used that option only when it was obvious the 
sender address was not spoofed.


--
JHHL

Re: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 2/21/19, 12:38 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

You shouldn't /bounce/ spam anyway: where are you going to bounce it
to? To a most probably spoofed address, i.e. to a totally innocent
victim? Thus generating reflected spam, aka Joe Jobs?


That depends. Some spammers don't see themselves as spammers, and
therefore aren't spoofing other addresses. They just either (1) fail to
honor unsubscribe requests, (2) don't put unsubscribe links in the plain
text, or (3) omit either the unsubscribe link or the plain text (or
both) entirely.

--
JHHL

Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 2/3/19, 2:22 AM, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

The only problem with external disk drive enclosures from well known
brands like WD or Seagate is they don't offer a way to open them e.g. to
switch the disk drive inside.


That and the fact that, judging by the price tags (and this also seems 
to be the general consensus both hear and on the OCLUG list server) 
those things have the cheapest consumer-grade hard drives the vendor 
has, whereas making your own, you can make it with a server-grade drive, 
or even (and this is built in at least one enclosure I've seen) a 
mirrored pair of them.


--
JHHL

Re: Disable left-ctrl?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 1/28/19, 3:16 PM, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> To this end, I’d like to disable the left ctrl key only, and force my
> brain to use the right one.  Better yet, I’d like the screen to flash
> or something then I inadvertently hit left-ctrl.

Just two thoughts occur to me:

1) On a 5250 data stream terminal tied to an IBM Midrange system, 
(AS/400, iSeries, System i, or whatever IBM is calling it this week), 
"Error Reset" is in the left-ctrl position, and "Enter" is in the 
right-ctrl position. I've written most of the user-interface code for a 
Java-based 5250 emulator. It's certainly possible to write code that 
accesses the keyboard at a low enough level to completely remap it. But 
for your purposes, the place for such low-level remapping code is 
probably in a keyboard driver.


2) When I was still using a WinDoze box with any regularity, and had a 
keyboard with "WinDoze keys" connected to it, I stuffed rolled up pieces 
of paper under those keys, in order to physically interdict them.


--
JHHL

USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[James H. H. Lampert]

Fellow List members:

Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in 
the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?


We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements"; 
I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative reviews 
citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our current 
Seagate had apparently failed on us.)


Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?

--
JHHL

We've got a problem. Debian "Jessie" box won't launch X or Tomcat, and USB drive won't mount

[James H. H. Lampert]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

We've got a Debian 8 box (an old Dell 400SC) that won't launch X (it 
boots to a command line) or Tomcat, nor mount a USB hard drive that we 
use for backups.


It will, however, accept ssh connections.

In the boot sequence, I see "Failed" where it tries to mount the USB 
drive. I also can't seem to get that drive to mount on anything else, 
which suggests that it has been corrupted.


Can somebody suggest where to start looking for the problem?

--
James H. H. Lampert

Installing Java 8 on a Google Compute Debian (Jessie) instance

[James H. H. Lampert]

I'm endeavoring to get Java 8 onto our development instance, so that the 
Tomcat environment there matches that of our cluster nodes, and apg-get 
is not cooperating.


This particular instance is a Bitnami SVN/Trac server, with Tomcat 8 
added to it, and running independently of the Apache server that came 
with SVN and Trac.


I tried what was given at
https://stackoverflow.com/q/50919305/3654526
and it didn't work. Even after doing the recommended

sudo apt-get install dirmngr
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys EEA14886
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jdk -y --allow-unauthenticated


I still get

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 openjdk-8-jdk : Depends: openjdk-8-jre (= 8u171-b11-1~bpo8+1) but it is not 
going to be installed
 Depends: openjdk-8-jdk-headless (= 8u171-b11-1~bpo8+1) but it 
is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.


which is what I was getting before.

--
James H. H. Lampert

Apache Segmentation Fault

[H.]

Hi,

I have a web server running Testing with apache 2.4.37 and php 7.3. The
purpose of the server is to run owncloud. However, after the nightly
restart the server stops working. The logs show the following:

/var/log/apache2/error.log.1
[Fri Nov 23 00:00:01.526101 2018] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 2858]
AH00171: Graceful restart requested, doing restart

/var/log/apache2/error.log
[Fri Nov 23 00:00:01.622137 2018] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 2858]
AH00163: Apache/2.4.37 (Debian) OpenSSL/1.1.1 configured -- resuming
normal operations
[Fri Nov 23 00:00:01.622156 2018] [core:notice] [pid 2858] AH00094:
Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
[Fri Nov 23 00:00:01.626193 2018] [core:notice] [pid 2858] AH00052:
child pid 5383 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[Fri Nov 23 00:00:01.626217 2018] [core:notice] [pid 2858] AH00052:
child pid 5384 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[Fri Nov 23 00:00:01.626222 2018] [core:notice] [pid 2858] AH00052:
child pid 5385 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[Fri Nov 23 00:00:01.626227 2018] [core:notice] [pid 2858] AH00052:
child pid 5386 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)

These segmentation faults keep going so that the error.log file grows
to hundreds of MB within a few hours.

When I do "service apache2 restart" the server works properly again
until the next nightly restart.

Any idea what could cause this problem?

Package versions:
libapache2-mod-php7.3/testing,now 7.3.0~rc4-1 amd64
php-apcu/testing,now 5.1.12+4.0.11-2 amd64
php-redis/testing,now 4.2.0~rc2-1 amd64
php7.3-opcache/testing,now 7.3.0~rc4-1 amd64
certbot/testing,now 0.28.0-1 all

First I had the opcache enabled in /etc/php/7.3/apache2/php.ini, but
then I disabled it since many people reported issues with opcache
causing segfaults. However, the problem still persists. I also tried to
switch the memcache setting of owncloud from APCu to Redis, but also no
effect. Owncloud's cron.php is executed via www-data's crontab.

I also ran "certbot renew", but it does nothing because the server's
certificate is still valid and thus the server keeps running.

Best regards,
Dino

Re: that other OS

[James H. H. Lampert]

mick crane wrote:

"Windows is a service..."


Actually, I'd call WinDoze a DISservice.

(I don't allow WinDoze in my house.)

--
JHHL
(Currently using PCDOS-2000, OS/400, MacOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Android, and 
occasionally, at work, CentOS and WinDoze XP.)