Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Thu 26 Feb 2015 at 12:08:03 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Thursday 26 February 2015 11:57:38 Brian wrote:
> > TDE will not (and does not) bring anything to the party in terms of
> > setting up a print queue and displaying options in the KDE print
> > dialogue
> 
> No, it will display them in the TDE print dialogue, not the KDE print 
> dialogue, and for the moment Gene seems to have that better configured.  

I was mislead by the activation of the help button in Konqueror and
other applications displaying the KDEPrint Handbook.

> Perhaps he finds the defaults easier.

The only default which has received any attention in this thread is
that for duplex printing. Anyone hoping to have them available with
the Brother PPD will be very disappointed to find they are greyed-out.

On the other hand, if they realise that CUPS has no way to get them from
the PPD (there is no Duplex keyword) they will have an understanding of
why.

And , as we are all aware, they have no bearing on setting up a print
queue anyway.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 26 February 2015 11:57:38 Brian wrote:
> TDE will not (and does not) bring anything to the party in terms of
> setting up a print queue and displaying options in the KDE print
> dialogue

No, it will display them in the TDE print dialogue, not the KDE print 
dialogue, and for the moment Gene seems to have that better configured.  
Perhaps he finds the defaults easier.

I don't know why Gene's finding one thing easier than another upsets you.

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 16:49:13 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 15:29:11 Brian wrote:
> >
> > That's a big jump from what I said. And what bug is it you are talking
> > about? There have been a number of assertions in this thread. None lead
> > me to think that Wheezy is heading for imminent breakdown on the printing
> > front. :)
> 
> I htink that it is a case of watch this space!!  TDE may yet save the day.

TDE will not (and does not) bring anything to the party in terms of
setting up a print queue and displaying options in the KDE print
dialogue that is not provided by every desktop-based system in Wheezy.
The operation of the printing system is not determined by cosmetic
features.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 16:35:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:06:01 Brian wrote:
> >
> > Let's have no more of this nonsense bydirecting attention away from the
> > major point of my previous mail. You stated in your second post in this
> > thread that
> >
> >   I am not sure how ununtu-10.04.4 LTS did it but it Just Worked.
> >
> > You have repeated that claim in other mails. Whatever "Just Worked" was
> > never specified. It certainly wasn't what I describe above - Two-sided
> > printing is marked as "Not available"in the GTK and Qt print dialogue.
> >
> > You can wriggle as much as you want, you have no evidence to back up
> > what you contend. Whatever you thought worked didn't.
i> 
> Now you are calling me a liar.  Don't.  I can produce well over 1500 pages of 
> a

That is not part of the thrust of my argument, which concentrates on
verifiable and repeatable procedures. Please do not credit me with
thinking you have nothing more than what we all have - a declining
memory.

You have repeatably claimed that Ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS just worked. You
have also repeatably referred to the greying out of options in print
dialogues as indicative of your inabiliity to print in duplex. You have
linked these two things detrimentally. Throwing in poppler, a general
inability of Wheezy to function properly and a desire to inundate the
BTS drew attention away from your essential problem.

Putting these two statements together one would think there was no
greying out on Ubuntu 10.04.4. In fact, anyone who installs it would
find out there is. This part of boltstering your argument does not bear
close scrutiny; it has no clothes to cover it.

If by "just works" on Ubuntu the *only* thing you meant is that you got
duplex printing, then I've never doubted that. Not being able to set it
up on Wheezy is something I've ascribed to user incompetence rather than
terminological inexactitude.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:06:01 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:14:16 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:36:19 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 09:54:04 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:46:46 Brian wrote:
> > > > > The duplex facilities are not available for any application using
> > > > > the GTK or Qt print dialogues because CUPS has not provided
> > > > > information about them.
> > > > >
> > > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets
> > > > > its information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother
> > > > > PPD does not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> > > >
> > > > I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid
> > > > that is now causing the bug.
> > >
> > > You can dispute it as much as you want but I am sitting in front of a
> > > machine running ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-i386 with a print queue set up
> > > for an HL-3170CDW with Brother's packages. The GTK print dialogue shows
> > > Two-sided printing as "Not available". Does your setup show something
> > > different?
> >
> > And the GTK dialog is used with which programs?  Likewise the QT4 version
> > is used with which programs? At least one of them is not proud enough of
> > its name to offer up its name up for  public view, or ridicule as the
> > case might be.
>
> Let's have no more of this nonsense bydirecting attention away from the
> major point of my previous mail. You stated in your second post in this
> thread that
>
>   I am not sure how ununtu-10.04.4 LTS did it but it Just Worked.
>
> You have repeated that claim in other mails. Whatever "Just Worked" was
> never specified. It certainly wasn't what I describe above - Two-sided
> printing is marked as "Not available"in the GTK and Qt print dialogue.
>
> You can wriggle as much as you want, you have no evidence to back up
> what you contend. Whatever you thought worked didn't.

Now you are calling me a liar.  Don't.  I can produce well over 1500 pages of 
documentation, 1000+ pages of it related to linuxcnc, all printed in duplex 
mode over the last 2 years as it gets dated and I throw it out and replace 
it.  Much of it with full color screen snapshots to illustrate the point 
being discussed in the text.  Drop by, and I will do 2 things, first putting 
some of those docs in your hands so that you can see I am NOT lying, and 
possibly put a very low cal hand cooler in your hand, or a cuppa coffee if 
thats your choice, while I show off some of the other things I do around 
here, some of which when out in public get lots of ooh's and ahh's.  Its what 
keeps me out of the bars.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:15:43 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 10:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:
> >> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 12:58:50 +, Curt wrote:
> >>> On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>  I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he
>  couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD
>  then that explains it.
> 
>  Lisi
> >>>
> >>> Gene said
> >>>
> >>>   No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set
> >>> it in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there. 
> >>> It will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
> >>> there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.
> >>
> >> evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as "disabled".
> >>
> >> The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
> >> the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
> >> ejected. The other side is blank of course.
> >
> > I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test page, a
> > single page, is ejected completely.
>
> Gene, maybe you need to haul that printer back to the station and use
> Windows to test duplex printing, just to be sure it isn't the printer.
>
> :) Ric

Ric my old friend, everything has been working SINCE I printed the first time  
I printed that 2 page test page that Petter posted earlier, using TDEPrint as 
the dialog.  Since then, everything else that I have tried has worked too.

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> "There are two Great Sins in the world...
> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
> Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
> http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:08:29 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 13:00:54 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:27:42 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 10:16:12 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:
> > > > > evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as
> > > > > "disabled".
> > > > >
> > > > > The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my
> > > > > printer the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then
> > > > > it is ejected. The other side is blank of course.
> > > >
> > > > I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test
> > > > page, a single page, is ejected completely.
> > >
> > > I have a working duplex setup; you do not. (Sorry, couldn't resist :) )
> >
> > Yes I do, and the single page test page is ejected straight out, no
> > double shuffle at all.
>
> You do? I expect you've found out how to set up the Brother software.

Thats eazy-peazy, it is ALL available to be fiddled with at 
localhost:631/printers select printer, click  on admin & scroll down  to "set 
defaults".  I know how to setup this printer.  I've had it for 2 years now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:14:16 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:36:19 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 09:54:04 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:46:46 Brian wrote:
> > > > The duplex facilities are not available for any application using the
> > > > GTK or Qt print dialogues because CUPS has not provided information
> > > > about them.
> > > >
> > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > > > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD
> > > > does not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> > >
> > > I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid
> > > that is now causing the bug.
> >
> > You can dispute it as much as you want but I am sitting in front of a
> > machine running ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-i386 with a print queue set up
> > for an HL-3170CDW with Brother's packages. The GTK print dialogue shows
> > Two-sided printing as "Not available". Does your setup show something
> > different?
> >
> 
> And the GTK dialog is used with which programs?  Likewise the QT4 version is 
> used with which programs? At least one of them is not proud enough of its 
> name to offer up its name up for  public view, or ridicule as the case might 
> be.

Let's have no more of this nonsense bydirecting attention away from the
major point of my previous mail. You stated in your second post in this
thread that

  I am not sure how ununtu-10.04.4 LTS did it but it Just Worked.

You have repeated that claim in other mails. Whatever "Just Worked" was
never specified. It certainly wasn't what I describe above - Two-sided
printing is marked as "Not available"in the GTK and Qt print dialogue.

You can wriggle as much as you want, you have no evidence to back up
what you contend. Whatever you thought worked didn't.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 13:37:47 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:07:35 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
> > >
> > > I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer. When
> > > set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it out again,
> > > although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I tried from an
> > > OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
> > >
> > > Attached, if the server lets it through.
> >
> > It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I dbl-clicked on
> > it.
>
> There is no kghostview package or executable in Wheezy. Following in
> your footsteps is fraught.

That then must be a TDE addition. As related earlier, both kghostview and kpdf 
use the TDEPrint dialog, which worked, and now the others that I have checked 
also work.  The diff? It isn't ghosted out in TDEPrint, is in all the others.  
Except iceweasal, it always was able to set or clear the options if using 
localhost:631/printers to do it.

As before, thank you all that tried to help for the assistance.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:
> >
> > The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
> > the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
> > ejected. The other side is blank of course.
> 
> I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test page, a 
> single page, is ejected completely.

If a printer is set to duplex and behaving correctly, any print job
with an odd number of pages should perform the "wasted motion" to turn
the page, otherwise the last page of the job is facing the wrong way.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:54:08 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 10:00:01 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and
> > therefore cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2 page test
> > page would be handier than bottled beer for troubleshooting this, but we
> > don't have one
>
> /etc/X11/Xsession is an excellent 2 page test page. Recommended.

Now I am getting somewhere, I just printed the, double sided with
lp -dNetwork_printer /etc/X11/Xsession 

And with this command (after I re-enabled duplex long edge binding)
lp -dHL3170CDW /etc/X11/Xsession 

This is 2 separate cups printers, the first one is at an ip address on my 
local network, the latter one  is via the USB cable.

This printer also has a wifi interface, but I figured two ways to drive it was 
enough.  The ethernet data transfer phase is faster than the USB2.0, but its 
moot speedwise when using duplex mode as its 19 ppm speed when printing 
straight through drops to about 2 ppm in duplex mode due to all the internal 
paper shuffling.  I suspect that short edge binding would be faster as in the 
long edge mode I can hear the paper being shuffled around internally for many 
seconds before I actually hear it make another trip past the drums.

But did you ever go to staples and look for a 3 ring binder for landscape 
printouts? Or a paper punch that could be spaced for that?  Donbesilly.

Both are made out that elusive stuff called "Pure Unobtainium".  I'm sure 
you've heard of the stuff. :)

Maybe in NYC or LA, but this is equ to West Podunk here in Weston WV.

Like any printer, it jams occasionally, and 99% of the time it instructs me to 
open the back door and remove the jam, but have never found anything to 
remove AND its sufficient to clear the jam if the door is opened far enough 
to be detected, and closed again.  But throw away that sheet of paper when it 
does come out because it will print you a 2nd, good copy of those 2 pages 
when it thinks its jammed or whatever.  In about 4000 pages so far, I have 
actually had to remove a crumpled up sheet of paper once.  We wore out 
several HP-4550's in the news dept at the tv station, years ago now, and they 
jammed much more frequently.  And didn't last the 100,000 pages they were 
rated for either.

Anyway, I have apparently made it work, its time to quite poking at it with a 
stick.  If okular and evince can now use it all the time, I am a happy 
camper, at least in this park.

A clue?  update-manager just installed about 6 packages, and 2 were iceweasal 
and cups-common, and it was cups-common that I filed the bug against.  But I 
had it working nominally 1 or 2 hours before the updates were done.  As a 
friend with Vermont roots says, Co-inky-dance.  :)

Thank you all for putting up with me.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:36:19 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 09:54:04 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:46:46 Brian wrote:
> > > The duplex facilities are not available for any application using the
> > > GTK or Qt print dialogues because CUPS has not provided information
> > > about them.
> > >
> > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD
> > > does not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> >
> > I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid
> > that is now causing the bug.
>
> You can dispute it as much as you want but I am sitting in front of a
> machine running ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-i386 with a print queue set up
> for an HL-3170CDW with Brother's packages. The GTK print dialogue shows
> Two-sided printing as "Not available". Does your setup show something
> different?
>

And the GTK dialog is used with which programs?  Likewise the QT4 version is 
used with which programs? At least one of them is not proud enough of its 
name to offer up its name up for  public view, or ridicule as the case might 
be.

  
> > Yes it (the Brother PPD, read it, attached if the server will pass it)
> > does AND cups CAN select it, so why cannot the rest of the system make
> > use of it?
> >
> > Question:  How can I show this dialogue interchange between cups and the
> > GTK or Qt print dialogs?
>
> You have described the result of the interchange below.
>
> > A Clue and the only one I have ATM:
> > These options become unghosted and selectable in both of the print
> > dialogs IF the two characters 'BR' are removed from all those strings in
> > the Brother ppd.  But then, despite being able to select them in the
> > print dialogs, it still does  _not_ work.  BTDT about 3 times now.  So
> > that 'patch' is incomplete because the printer does not (apparently)
> > understand it with the BR's removed.  It did work, has worked for about 2
> > years now, and the firmware in the printer has not been changed after the
> > initial reload two years ago.
> >
> > > The inability to print in duplex is not related to the greying-out in
> > > the print dialogues.
>
> You didn't comment on this but I'll add that the greying-out is a
> red herring (as is the invoking of poppler) as far as the cause of your
> problem with duplex printing is concerned.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 19:33:40 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 19:19:28 Brian wrote:
> >
> > The OP declared he was using Wheezy and KDE. TDE is now part of Wheezy?
> >
> > That's all apart from the assertion that TDE can communicate with CUPS
> > in some manner unknown to Wheezy. Can we call it Magic; the normal
> > operation of programs alters when TDE springs into action.
> 
> No, of course not Brian.  You may prefer KDE4, and you may prefer only to use 
> main, contrib and nonfree, but there isn't any law about it, there's no need 
> to mock those who use other software, and it certainly isn't magic.  It 
> clearly isn't Wheezy that is the problem, but that has been obvious from the 
> beginning.  It may be Okular and Evince.  The printer seems to work anyway.

I use fvwm, if it is of any interest or significance. I use cups; users
with other WMs or DEs also use cups. There is is no mocking, simply a
question - does cups work in the same way in all these environments? If
it doesn't we can throw determinism away.

I agree, Wheezy isn't the problem. Does TDE solve the problem? The answer
to the question in the first paragraph might determine your response.

Now - if Wheezy isn't the problem, where can the solution be found?
Importing software from elsewhere into Wheezy dosen't seem quite right.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 19:19:28 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 18:48:38 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 18:37:47 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:07:35 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer.
> > > > > When set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it
> > > > > out again, although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I
> > > > > tried from an OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
> > > > >
> > > > > Attached, if the server lets it through.
> > > >
> > > > It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I
> > > > dbl-clicked on it.
> > >
> > > There is no kghostview package or executable in Wheezy. Following in
> > > your footsteps is fraught.
> >
> > He has TDE.  There is kghostview in Wheezy TDE.
>
> The OP declared he was using Wheezy and KDE. TDE is now part of Wheezy?
>
> That's all apart from the assertion that TDE can communicate with CUPS
> in some manner unknown to Wheezy. Can we call it Magic; the normal
> operation of programs alters when TDE springs into action.

No, of course not Brian.  You may prefer KDE4, and you may prefer only to use 
main, contrib and nonfree, but there isn't any law about it, there's no need 
to mock those who use other software, and it certainly isn't magic.  It 
clearly isn't Wheezy that is the problem, but that has been obvious from the 
beginning.  It may be Okular and Evince.  The printer seems to work anyway.

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 18:48:38 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 18:37:47 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:07:35 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
> > > >
> > > > I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer. When
> > > > set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it out again,
> > > > although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I tried from an
> > > > OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
> > > >
> > > > Attached, if the server lets it through.
> > >
> > > It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I dbl-clicked on
> > > it.
> >
> > There is no kghostview package or executable in Wheezy. Following in
> > your footsteps is fraught.
> 
> He has TDE.  There is kghostview in Wheezy TDE.

The OP declared he was using Wheezy and KDE. TDE is now part of Wheezy?

That's all apart from the assertion that TDE can communicate with CUPS
in some manner unknown to Wheezy. Can we call it Magic; the normal
operation of programs alters when TDE springs into action.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Ric Moore]

On 02/25/2015 10:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:



On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 12:58:50 +, Curt wrote:

On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:

I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he
couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD
then that explains it.

Lisi


Gene said

  No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set it
  in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It
  will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
  there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.


evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as "disabled".

The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
ejected. The other side is blank of course.


I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test page, a
single page, is ejected completely.


Gene, maybe you need to haul that printer back to the station and use 
Windows to test duplex printing, just to be sure it isn't the printer. 
:) Ric




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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 13:00:54 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:27:42 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 10:16:12 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:
> > > > evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as "disabled".
> > > >
> > > > The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
> > > > the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
> > > > ejected. The other side is blank of course.
> > >
> > > I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test page, a
> > > single page, is ejected completely.
> >
> > I have a working duplex setup; you do not. (Sorry, couldn't resist :) )
> 
> Yes I do, and the single page test page is ejected straight out, no double 
> shuffle at all.

You do? I expect you've found out how to set up the Brother software.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 18:37:47 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:07:35 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
> > >
> > > I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer. When
> > > set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it out again,
> > > although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I tried from an
> > > OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
> > >
> > > Attached, if the server lets it through.
> >
> > It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I dbl-clicked on
> > it.
>
> There is no kghostview package or executable in Wheezy. Following in
> your footsteps is fraught.

He has TDE.  There is kghostview in Wheezy TDE.

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:07:35 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
> >
> > I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer. When
> > set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it out again,
> > although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I tried from an
> > OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
> >
> > Attached, if the server lets it through.
> 
> It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I dbl-clicked on it.

There is no kghostview package or executable in Wheezy. Following in
your footsteps is fraught.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:27:42 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 10:16:12 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:
> > > evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as "disabled".
> > >
> > > The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
> > > the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
> > > ejected. The other side is blank of course.
> >
> > I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test page, a
> > single page, is ejected completely.
>
> I have a working duplex setup; you do not. (Sorry, couldn't resist :) )

Yes I do, and the single page test page is ejected straight out, no double 
shuffle at all.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:13:26 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:58:25 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 11:47:35 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:07:35 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > But that printer dialog is obviously not one of the two I have been
> > > > dealing with here. It is TDEPrint , and appears to work exactly as
> > > > expected.
> > > >
> > > > So we have now learned that it can work on wheezy, if the right
> > > > printer dialog issues the command to (cups version) lp.
> > >
> > > I stand corrected!  Long live TDE.  Have you tried kpdf from TDE?  (I
> > > think I suggested it before.)
> > >
> > > You could also - if your exploration allows the installation of other
> > > software - install kword-trinity, run it (once it is installed it is
> > > just called kword - or KWord) and import (not open) a pdf document with
> > > duplex. Then see if you can print it OK.  When importing a pdf document
> > > you have to set the drop down menu filter to pdf or it will think you
> > > are trying to get it to import gibberish.
> > >
> > > You will need the blank document template, and patience.  It is
> > > unreasonably slow in opening up.
> > >
> > > Let me know how it goes - I am dying to know.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > That also uses TDEPrint, and it also works.
>
> That's what I hoped and why I suggested it.  Yay TDE!!  Yay old codgers of
> every variety? ;-)
>
> At least you can now print and don't need to throw away your printer. :-)
>
> Lisi
A definit plus and a couple of yahbuts, I have now tried okular and evince, 
which do not use a printer dialog proud enough to have a help screen or name, 
neither can adjust the duplex settings, but both have now printed the 2 page 
test page correctly duplexed.  We seem to have plunked the magic twanger in 
the right key.

First yahbut is that kmail las lost its speller, and 2nd, seems to have a 
limited memory for filter rules, I have had to remake 7 or 8 so far today 
that were working perfectly yesterday but have disappeared from the filter 
menu since.

I don't recall ever having a problem like this in kmail, ever.

I think I'll restart it just for S&G.
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 17:58:21 Gene Heskett wrote:
> First yahbut is that kmail las lost its speller, and 2nd, seems to have a
> limited memory for filter rules, I have had to remake 7 or 8 so far today
> that were working perfectly yesterday but have disappeared from the filter
> menu since.
>
> I don't recall ever having a problem like this in kmail, ever.

Had you considered hardware?  CMOS battery or something?

I have never had those problems either.

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 10:00:01 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and therefore 
> cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2 page test page would be 
> handier than bottled beer for troubleshooting this, but we don't have one

/etc/X11/Xsession is an excellent 2 page test page. Recommended.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 09:54:04 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:46:46 Brian wrote:
> >
> > The duplex facilities are not available for any application using the
> > GTK or Qt print dialogues because CUPS has not provided information
> > about them.
> >
> > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
> > not provide such an option. There is no bug.
>
> I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid that is 
> now causing the bug.

You can dispute it as much as you want but I am sitting in front of a
machine running ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-i386 with a print queue set up
for an HL-3170CDW with Brother's packages. The GTK print dialogue shows
Two-sided printing as "Not available". Does your setup show something
different?
 
> Yes it (the Brother PPD, read it, attached if the server will pass it) does 
> AND cups CAN select it, so why cannot the rest of the system make use of it?
>
> Question:  How can I show this dialogue interchange between cups and the GTK 
> or Qt print dialogs?

You have described the result of the interchange below.
 
> A Clue and the only one I have ATM:
> These options become unghosted and selectable in both of the print dialogs IF 
> the two characters 'BR' are removed from all those strings in the Brother 
> ppd.  But then, despite being able to select them in the print dialogs, it 
> still does  _not_ work.  BTDT about 3 times now.  So that 'patch' is 
> incomplete because the printer does not (apparently) understand it with the 
> BR's removed.  It did work, has worked for about 2 years now, and the 
> firmware in the printer has not been changed after the initial reload two 
> years ago.
> 
> > The inability to print in duplex is not related to the greying-out in
> > the print dialogues.

You didn't comment on this but I'll add that the greying-out is a
red herring (as is the invoking of poppler) as far as the cause of your
problem with duplex printing is concerned.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 10:16:12 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:
> >
> > evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as "disabled".
> >
> > The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
> > the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
> > ejected. The other side is blank of course.
> 
> I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test page, a 
> single page, is ejected completely.

I have a working duplex setup; you do not. (Sorry, couldn't resist :) )


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:58:25 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 11:47:35 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:07:35 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > But that printer dialog is obviously not one of the two I have been
> > > dealing with here. It is TDEPrint , and appears to work exactly as
> > > expected.
> > >
> > > So we have now learned that it can work on wheezy, if the right printer
> > > dialog issues the command to (cups version) lp.
> >
> > I stand corrected!  Long live TDE.  Have you tried kpdf from TDE?  (I
> > think I suggested it before.)
> >
> > You could also - if your exploration allows the installation of other
> > software - install kword-trinity, run it (once it is installed it is just
> > called kword - or KWord) and import (not open) a pdf document with
> > duplex. Then see if you can print it OK.  When importing a pdf document
> > you have to set the drop down menu filter to pdf or it will think you are
> > trying to get it to import gibberish.
> >
> > You will need the blank document template, and patience.  It is
> > unreasonably slow in opening up.
> >
> > Let me know how it goes - I am dying to know.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> That also uses TDEPrint, and it also works.

That's what I hoped and why I suggested it.  Yay TDE!!  Yay old codgers of 
every variety? ;-)

At least you can now print and don't need to throw away your printer. :-)

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 11:49:13 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 15:29:11 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:03:31 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:46:36 Brian wrote:
> > > > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:27:44 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> > > > > printer there. I've checked.
> > > >
> > > > Not surprising; the licence for the Brother software doesn't permit
> > > > distribution.
> > >
> > > Then it can't have been in Lucid either, surely?
> >
> > I imagine not. That was my point.
> >
> > > > The lack of advice on the HL-3170CDW at openprinting is an indication
> > > > that no user of it has added any, not a judgement on whether it works
> > > > on Linux.
> > >
> > > Yes, but if there had been advice it woudl have been useful.
> >
> > Of course.
> >
> > > So do you agree with Gene that it is a Wheezy bug?
> >
> > That's a big jump from what I said. And what bug is it you are talking
> > about? There have been a number of assertions in this thread. None lead
> > me to think that Wheezy is heading for imminent breakdown on the printing
> > front. :)
>
> I htink that it is a case of watch this space!!  TDE may yet save the day.
>
> Lisi
I wonder what my chances of creating some softlinks and making the rest of the 
system use it?  Bears a closer look for sure.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 11:47:35 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:07:35 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > But that printer dialog is obviously not one of the two I have been
> > dealing with here. It is TDEPrint , and appears to work exactly as
> > expected.
> >
> > So we have now learned that it can work on wheezy, if the right printer
> > dialog issues the command to (cups version) lp.
>
> I stand corrected!  Long live TDE.  Have you tried kpdf from TDE?  (I think
> I suggested it before.)
>
> You could also - if your exploration allows the installation of other
> software - install kword-trinity, run it (once it is installed it is just
> called kword - or KWord) and import (not open) a pdf document with duplex.
> Then see if you can print it OK.  When importing a pdf document you have to
> set the drop down menu filter to pdf or it will think you are trying to get
> it to import gibberish.
>
> You will need the blank document template, and patience.  It is
> unreasonably slow in opening up.
>
> Let me know how it goes - I am dying to know.
>
> Lisi

That also uses TDEPrint, and it also works.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 16:07:35 Gene Heskett wrote:
> But that printer dialog is obviously not one of the two I have been dealing
> with here. It is TDEPrint , and appears to work exactly as expected.
>
> So we have now learned that it can work on wheezy, if the right printer
> dialog issues the command to (cups version) lp.

I stand corrected!  Long live TDE.  Have you tried kpdf from TDE?  (I think I 
suggested it before.)

You could also - if your exploration allows the installation of other 
software - install kword-trinity, run it (once it is installed it is just 
called kword - or KWord) and import (not open) a pdf document with duplex.  
Then see if you can print it OK.  When importing a pdf document you have to 
set the drop down menu filter to pdf or it will think you are trying to get 
it to import gibberish.

You will need the blank document template, and patience.  It is unreasonably 
slow in opening up.

Let me know how it goes - I am dying to know.

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 11:37:36 Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:07:35 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
> > >
> > > Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 05:11:51 Curt wrote:
> > > > > On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > > > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it
> > > > > > gets its information from the Duplex option in the PPD file.
> > > > > > The brother PPD does not provide such an option. There is no
> > > > > > bug.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test
> > > > > page in duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex
> > > > > option as a default in the web interface.
> > > >
> > > > I don't recall saying that. I can duplex print if I use one of the
> > > > foomatic postscript drivers, but of the ones I have tried,
> > > > everyone works, and then crashes the printer so it has to be
> > > > powerdown reset to retre it for the next job.
> > > >
> > > > May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and
> > > > therefore cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2
> > > > page test page would be handier than bottled beer for
> > > > troubleshooting this, but we don't have one
> > >
> > > I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer.
> > > When set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it
> > > out again, although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I
> > > tried from an OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
> > >
> > > Attached, if the server lets it through.
> >
> > It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I
> > dbl-clicked on it.
> >
> > kghostview's printer dialog can see AND adjust the options. I left
> > the default long edge binding duplex setting in place and printed it,
> > AND IT WORKED!
>
> Yay! Congratulations! :-) I guess that counts as progress :)
>
> > But that printer dialog is obviously not one of the two I have been
> > dealing with here. It is TDEPrint , and appears to work exactly as
> > expected.
>
> Odd that the others don't.
>
> > So we have now learned that it can work on wheezy, if the right
> > printer dialog issues the command to (cups version) lp.
> >
> > Do we still have the group in denial?
> >
> > Now, if I can determine from the help screens of the other print
> > dialogs and determine what their names are, I can begin to file
> > meaningful bugs.
>
> I opened the file here, in evince and launced the print dialog. From
> what I can see the dialog is not a separate process, so maybe you could
> try filing a bug against whatever application you are trying to print
> from that fails, with a note that it works from kghostview/TDE?

That will have to wait, I need to get some laundry done and take a shower etc, 
as I have an appointment with a Moh's surgeon to take a look at a sore on my 
nose tomorrow afternoon.  It is not the first time, and unless I fall over 
before spring, probably not the last time.  One of the nuisance of being a 
white caucasion I guess.  And my speil checker has gone away. I don't 
remember leaving the gate open. ;)

> > > Petter
> >
> > Thank you Petter, it was and is, a valuable tool for testing.  I
> > appreciate it.
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> You are very welcome - glad it helped! :)
>
> Petter

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 15:29:11 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:03:31 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:46:36 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:27:44 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
> > > >
> > > > I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> > > > printer there. I've checked.
> > >
> > > Not surprising; the licence for the Brother software doesn't permit
> > > distribution.
> >
> > Then it can't have been in Lucid either, surely?
>
> I imagine not. That was my point.
>
> > > The lack of advice on the HL-3170CDW at openprinting is an indication
> > > that no user of it has added any, not a judgement on whether it works
> > > on Linux.
> >
> > Yes, but if there had been advice it woudl have been useful.
>
> Of course.
>
> > So do you agree with Gene that it is a Wheezy bug?
>
> That's a big jump from what I said. And what bug is it you are talking
> about? There have been a number of assertions in this thread. None lead
> me to think that Wheezy is heading for imminent breakdown on the printing
> front. :)

I htink that it is a case of watch this space!!  TDE may yet save the day.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Petter Adsen]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:07:35 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
> >
> > Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 05:11:51 Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it
> > > > > gets its information from the Duplex option in the PPD file.
> > > > > The brother PPD does not provide such an option. There is no
> > > > > bug.
> > > >
> > > > Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test
> > > > page in duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex
> > > > option as a default in the web interface.
> > >
> > > I don't recall saying that. I can duplex print if I use one of the
> > > foomatic postscript drivers, but of the ones I have tried,
> > > everyone works, and then crashes the printer so it has to be
> > > powerdown reset to retre it for the next job.
> > >
> > > May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and
> > > therefore cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2
> > > page test page would be handier than bottled beer for
> > > troubleshooting this, but we don't have one
> >
> > I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer.
> > When set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it
> > out again, although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I
> > tried from an OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
> >
> > Attached, if the server lets it through.
> 
> It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I
> dbl-clicked on it.
> 
> kghostview's printer dialog can see AND adjust the options. I left
> the default long edge binding duplex setting in place and printed it,
> AND IT WORKED!

Yay! Congratulations! :-) I guess that counts as progress :)

> But that printer dialog is obviously not one of the two I have been
> dealing with here. It is TDEPrint , and appears to work exactly as
> expected.

Odd that the others don't.

> So we have now learned that it can work on wheezy, if the right
> printer dialog issues the command to (cups version) lp.
> 
> Do we still have the group in denial?
> 
> Now, if I can determine from the help screens of the other print
> dialogs and determine what their names are, I can begin to file
> meaningful bugs.

I opened the file here, in evince and launced the print dialog. From
what I can see the dialog is not a separate process, so maybe you could
try filing a bug against whatever application you are trying to print
from that fails, with a note that it works from kghostview/TDE?

> > Petter
> Thank you Petter, it was and is, a valuable tool for testing.  I
> appreciate it.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

You are very welcome - glad it helped! :)

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:03:31 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:46:36 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:27:44 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
> > >
> > > I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> > > printer there. I've checked.
> >
> > Not surprising; the licence for the Brother software doesn't permit
> > distribution.
> 
> Then it can't have been in Lucid either, surely?

I imagine not. That was my point.

> > The lack of advice on the HL-3170CDW at openprinting is an indication
> > that no user of it has added any, not a judgement on whether it works
> > on Linux.
> 
> Yes, but if there had been advice it woudl have been useful.

Of course.
 
> So do you agree with Gene that it is a Wheezy bug?

That's a big jump from what I said. And what bug is it you are talking
about? There have been a number of assertions in this thread. None lead
me to think that Wheezy is heading for imminent breakdown on the printing
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:41:30 Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 05:11:51 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets
> > > > its information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The
> > > > brother PPD does not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> > >
> > > Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
> > > duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
> > > default in the web interface.
> >
> > I don't recall saying that. I can duplex print if I use one of the
> > foomatic postscript drivers, but of the ones I have tried, everyone
> > works, and then crashes the printer so it has to be powerdown reset
> > to retre it for the next job.
> >
> > May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and
> > therefore cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2 page
> > test page would be handier than bottled beer for troubleshooting
> > this, but we don't have one
>
> I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer. When
> set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it out again,
> although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I tried from an
> OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.
>
> Attached, if the server lets it through.

It did, and it was opened by kghostview for display when I dbl-clicked on it.

kghostview's printer dialog can see AND adjust the options. I left the default 
long edge binding duplex setting in place and printed it, AND IT WORKED!

But that printer dialog is obviously not one of the two I have been dealing 
with here. It is TDEPrint , and appears to work exactly as expected.

So we have now learned that it can work on wheezy, if the right printer dialog 
issues the command to (cups version) lp.

Do we still have the group in denial?

Now, if I can determine from the help screens of the other print dialogs and 
determine what their names are, I can begin to file meaningful bugs.

> Petter

Thank you Petter, it was and is, a valuable tool for testing.  I appreciate 
it.
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-25, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and therefore 
> cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2 page test page would be 
> handier than bottled beer for troubleshooting this, but we don't have one
>>

I would have expected it to work as in opensuse (*one page, recto-verso*).

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 09:54:04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:46:46 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 09:13:26 +, Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > > > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of
> > > > which I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with
> > > > or overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > > > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.
> >
> > It's not.
> >
> > The duplex facilities are not available for any application using the
> > GTK or Qt print dialogues because CUPS has not provided information
> > about them.
> >
> > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
> > not provide such an option. There is no bug.
>
> I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid that
> is now causing the bug.
>
> Yes it (the Brother PPD, read it, attached if the server will pass it) does
> AND cups CAN select it, so why cannot the rest of the system make use of
> it?
>
> Question:  How can I show this dialogue interchange between cups and the
> GTK or Qt print dialogs?
>
> A Clue and the only one I have ATM:
> These options become unghosted and selectable in both of the print dialogs
> IF the two characters 'BR' are removed from all those strings in the
> Brother ppd.  But then, despite being able to select them in the print
> dialogs, it still does  _not_ work.  BTDT about 3 times now.  So that
> 'patch' is incomplete because the printer does not (apparently) understand
> it with the BR's removed.  It did work, has worked for about 2 years now,
> and the firmware in the printer has not been changed after the initial
> reload two years ago.
>
> > The inability to print in duplex is not related to the greying-out in
> > the print dialogues.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

So the ppd did make it thru the server, it was 32kb, but apparently the 
installer script, at 89k or so, did not.  The whole message seems to be 
blocked.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Petter Adsen]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 05:11:51 Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets
> > > its information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The
> > > brother PPD does not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> >
> > Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
> > duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
> > default in the web interface.
> 
> I don't recall saying that. I can duplex print if I use one of the
> foomatic postscript drivers, but of the ones I have tried, everyone
> works, and then crashes the printer so it has to be powerdown reset
> to retre it for the next job.
> 
> May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and
> therefore cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2 page
> test page would be handier than bottled beer for troubleshooting
> this, but we don't have one

I just tested printing from a Jessie VM here on my Epson printer. When
set to duplex, it pulls the page back in, and then spits it out again,
although it hasn't printed anything on the back. When I tried from an
OpenSUSE VM, it actually printed on both sides.

Attached, if the server lets it through.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 15:09:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 05:59:29 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 09:13:26 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > > > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of
> > > > which I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with
> > > > or overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > > > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.
> >
> > He's using TDE not KDE4.  It's menu -> settings -> printers
> >
> > But I never use it, Gene.  I stick to CUPS.
>
> And cups does recognize it just fine, its the rest of the print dialogs
> associated with iceweasal, okular, evince or even calibre that do not
> recognize it.  Open office however does recognize it, but I have not been
> able to load a pdf to print from with it.  pdf's render as garbage.  ISTR
> that did also work before.

I doubt it.  But there is a new special version of LibreOffice for TDE that 
just might work.  I'm busy at the moment, but I'll investigate later.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:03:31 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:46:36 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:27:44 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
> > >
> > > Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> > > > > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > > > > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default,
> > > > > > > called up iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex
> > > > > > > functions.
> > > >
> > > > Gene - I just looked at
> > > > http://www.openprinting.org/printers
> > > > (Why didn't I think of that before?)
> > > > Your printer is not in the list of Brother printers which can be
> > > > expected to work in Linux, and they do not provide a driver for it.
> > > >
> > > > Will your printer work properly with a current Ubuntu Live CD? (14.10
> > > > presumably)  Perhaps find a way of extracting the Ubuntu driver?
> > > > They have probably tweaked something.
> > >
> > > No need :)
> > >
> > > I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> > > printer there. I've checked.
> >
> > Not surprising; the licence for the Brother software doesn't permit
> > distribution.
So my posting the ppd is a known copyright violation?  Oh shit...
>
> Then it can't have been in Lucid either, surely?

The driver was then available on the support.brother.com web page, now its 2 
years old so they hid it, but the installer script I also posted, and which 
is likely a copyright violation too, can still get it and install it.  CUPS 
recognizes the duplex options and can control them, and I just found the open 
office  printer dialog does too, but haven't found a suitable document for a 
test print from OO, it doesn't seem to want to load and display a .pdf.

> > The lack of advice on the HL-3170CDW at openprinting is an indication
> > that no user of it has added any, not a judgement on whether it works
> > on Linux.
>
> Yes, but if there had been advice it woudl have been useful.
>
> So do you agree with Gene that it is a Wheezy bug?
>
> Lisi

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:00:47 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:54:04 Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> Lisi said:
> > >  There is no bug.
> >
> > I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid
> > that is now causing the bug.
>
> !!!  Gene, Wheezy is in no way descended from Lucid.
>
> It is not a Debian bug.  It is a driver problem.  If you like Lucid so
> much, why don't you use it?

That drive went read-only, and support for the LTS officially ends at the end 
of next month. I figure that I will have to reinvent this wheel then anyway.

> Lisi.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 09:46:36 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:27:44 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
> >
> > Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> > > > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > > > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default,
> > > > > > called up iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex
> > > > > > functions.
> > >
> > > Gene - I just looked at
> > > http://www.openprinting.org/printers
> > > (Why didn't I think of that before?)
> > > Your printer is not in the list of Brother printers which can be
> > > expected to work in Linux, and they do not provide a driver for it.
> > >
> > > Will your printer work properly with a current Ubuntu Live CD? (14.10
> > > presumably)  Perhaps find a way of extracting the Ubuntu driver?
> > > They have probably tweaked something.
> >
> > No need :)
> >
> > I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> > printer there. I've checked.
>
> Not surprising; the licence for the Brother software doesn't permit
> distribution.
>
> The lack of advice on the HL-3170CDW at openprinting is an indication
> that no user of it has added any, not a judgement on whether it works
> on Linux.

And I repeat, it works well on linux, but not on wheezy.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 09:41:26 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:30:44 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:13:26 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > > > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of
> > > > which I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with
> > > > or overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > > > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.
> >
> > That, on this system, is a subdir with a bunch of .py stuff in it.
> >
> > And I find it a bit interesting that despite there being a bit over half
> > a megabyte of python stuff in that directory, this command returns a
> > null.
> >
> > gene@coyote:/usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde$ grep -i
> > duplex *
> >
> > OTOH, the old install is similarly bereft of any results in that
> > directory, and it worked just fine.  So if I run from the system menu,
> > "printing", I get a slightly different interface gui, but attempts to
> > look at the printer profile in question reports an error '(unknown IPP
> > tag)' has an unknown value and cannot be edited (presumably because I
> > have not groked a way to run it from the menu item named "printing" with
> > root privileges.
> >
> > But when I have figured it out, I get the same error, when I attempt to
> > commit a change in the print quality, I am presented with the same error
> > BUT it does appear to get changed.
> >
> > Clicking on closing the error does go ahead and display all the values as
> > set by the web page localhost:631.
> >
> > I finally figure out how to run that as  root, and get the same IPP
> > resolution tag error as when I run it as me.
> >
> > Synopsis so far:  If I want good color, it appears I have to use the
> > brother drivers, but when I do, NO system printing facility can see or
> > use the printers duplexing ability, the printer options page of
> > everything that has a print in the file menu, call up a similar function
> > selection interface that all ghosts out, and it will not use it
> > regardless of the printers own menu settings under the tray menu.
> >
> > Filing a bug seems to go to a black hole, made difficult to file by the
> > insistence of a name of a package to file the bug against when I have no
> > damned clue where or why its getting lost.
> >
> > Which is right back at square one.  So how the heck do I convince the bug
> > triage people into actually looking at this endless, nobody has more than
> > a tentative clue/suggestion, which I have checked out in every case where
> > I understood the lingo, without any resolution to the problem that wheezy
> > has, but which ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS never had since I bought this printer
> > around 2 years ago.  And since we've been chasing our collective tailks
> > for what, 10 days now, its obviously not going to get fixed until the
> > debian bug fixers who deal with printing actually read this thread.
> > bugs.debian.org is, as far as being able to describe the error, miserably
> > lacking because the only place you can try is in the ending comments,
> > which apparently aren't being read.
> >
> > No reply in about 24 hours.  What sort of a time frame should I expect?
>
> It isn't a Debian bug.  You haven't got a working driver for Linux.  Try to
> get it from Ubuntu 10.04 since Ubuntu 14.04 hasn't got it either.

I have also done that, it doesn't work duplex either, but it shows in the cups 
dialog just fine.
>
> Lisi

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 09:27:44 Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
>
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default,
> > > > > called up iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex
> > > > > functions.
> >
> > Gene - I just looked at
> > http://www.openprinting.org/printers
> > (Why didn't I think of that before?)
> > Your printer is not in the list of Brother printers which can be
> > expected to work in Linux, and they do not provide a driver for it.
> >
> > Will your printer work properly with a current Ubuntu Live CD? (14.10
> > presumably)  Perhaps find a way of extracting the Ubuntu driver?
> > They have probably tweaked something.
>
> No need :)
>
> I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> printer there. I've checked.
>
> Sorry, Gene. :(
>
> Petter

See the Brother supplied script, attached to a previous msg 10 minutes ago, 
originally a tarball.gz

They still have it, just not visible on their web page.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 08:16:27 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 12:58:50 +, Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > > I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he
> > > couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD
> > > then that explains it.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Gene said
> >
> >  No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set it
> >  in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It
> >  will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
> >  there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.
>
> evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as "disabled".
>
> The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
> the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
> ejected. The other side is blank of course.

I have never seen this printer do such a wasted motion. The test page, a 
single page, is ejected completely.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 07:58:50 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he
> > couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then
> > that explains it.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Gene said
>
>  No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set it
>  in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It
>  will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
>  there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.

And I will re-re-remind everyone that the cups "test" page is a single page 
file, so it will not ever exercise the duplex functions, ever.  So of coarse 
it works fine, for the test page.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 05:59:29 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 09:13:26 Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> > > I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> > > overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
> >
> > Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.
>
> He's using TDE not KDE4.  It's menu -> settings -> printers
>
> But I never use it, Gene.  I stick to CUPS.

And cups does recognize it just fine, its the rest of the print dialogs 
associated with iceweasal, okular, evince or even calibre that do not 
recognize it.  Open office however does recognize it, but I have not been 
able to load a pdf to print from with it.  pdf's render as garbage.  ISTR 
that did also work before.

>
> Lisi

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:46:36 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:27:44 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
> >
> > Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> > > > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > > > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default,
> > > > > > called up iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex
> > > > > > functions.
> > >
> > > Gene - I just looked at
> > > http://www.openprinting.org/printers
> > > (Why didn't I think of that before?)
> > > Your printer is not in the list of Brother printers which can be
> > > expected to work in Linux, and they do not provide a driver for it.
> > >
> > > Will your printer work properly with a current Ubuntu Live CD? (14.10
> > > presumably)  Perhaps find a way of extracting the Ubuntu driver?
> > > They have probably tweaked something.
> >
> > No need :)
> >
> > I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> > printer there. I've checked.
>
> Not surprising; the licence for the Brother software doesn't permit
> distribution.

Then it can't have been in Lucid either, surely?

> The lack of advice on the HL-3170CDW at openprinting is an indication
> that no user of it has added any, not a judgement on whether it works
> on Linux.

Yes, but if there had been advice it woudl have been useful.

So do you agree with Gene that it is a Wheezy bug?

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:54:04 Gene Heskett wrote:
Lisi said:
> >  There is no bug.
> I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid that
> is now causing the bug.

!!!  Gene, Wheezy is in no way descended from Lucid.  

It is not a Debian bug.  It is a driver problem.  If you like Lucid so much, 
why don't you use it?

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 05:11:51 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
> > not provide such an option. There is no bug.
>
> Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
> duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
> default in the web interface.

I don't recall saying that. I can duplex print if I use one of the foomatic 
postscript drivers, but of the ones I have tried, everyone works, and then 
crashes the printer so it has to be powerdown reset to retre it for the next 
job.

May I remind everyone that the cups "test page" is ONE page, and therefore 
cannot, will not, exercise the duplex functions. A 2 page test page would be 
handier than bottled beer for troubleshooting this, but we don't have one
>
> > The inability to print in duplex is not related to the greying-out in
> > the print dialogues.
>
> --
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>
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:46:46 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 09:13:26 +, Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> > > I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> > > overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
> >
> > Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.
>
> It's not.
>
> The duplex facilities are not available for any application using the
> GTK or Qt print dialogues because CUPS has not provided information
> about them.
>
> CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
> not provide such an option. There is no bug.
I'll argue that point, something has changed between wheezy and lucid that is 
now causing the bug.

Yes it (the Brother PPD, read it, attached if the server will pass it) does 
AND cups CAN select it, so why cannot the rest of the system make use of it?

Question:  How can I show this dialogue interchange between cups and the GTK 
or Qt print dialogs?

A Clue and the only one I have ATM:
These options become unghosted and selectable in both of the print dialogs IF 
the two characters 'BR' are removed from all those strings in the Brother 
ppd.  But then, despite being able to select them in the print dialogs, it 
still does  _not_ work.  BTDT about 3 times now.  So that 'patch' is 
incomplete because the printer does not (apparently) understand it with the 
BR's removed.  It did work, has worked for about 2 years now, and the 
firmware in the printer has not been changed after the initial reload two 
years ago.

> The inability to print in duplex is not related to the greying-out in
> the print dialogues.

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*PPD-Adobe: "4.3"

*%
*%  Copyright(C) 2012 Brother Industries, Ltd.
*%  "Brother HL-3170CDW series for CUPS"
*% 

*% General Information Keywords 
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*FileVersion: "4.0.9"
*LanguageVersion: English
*LanguageEncoding: ISOLatin1
*PCFileName: "HL3170W.PPD"
*Manufacturer: "Brother"
*Product: "(HL-3170CDW series)"
*1284DeviceID: "MFG:Brother;MDL:HL-3170CDW series"
*cupsVersion: 1.4
*cupsManualCopies: false
*cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-postscript 0 brother_lpdwrapper_hl3170cdw"
*cupsModelNumber: 5
*ModelName: "Brother HL-3170CDW series"
*ShortNickName: "HL-3170CDW series"
*NickName: "Brother HL-3170CDW series CUPS"
*PSVersion: "(3010.106) 3"

*% Basic Device Capabilities =
*LanguageLevel: "3"
*ColorDevice: True
*DefaultColorSpace: RGB
*FileSystem: False
*Throughput: "17"
*VariablePaperSize: False
*TTRasterizer: Type42
*FreeVM: "170"

*%DefaultOutputOrder: Reverse

*%=== UI Constraints ==
*%  PageSize - BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize A5 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageSize A5Rotated *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize A6 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize JISB5 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize JISB6 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize Br3x5 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize Env10 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize EnvC5 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize EnvChou3 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize EnvDL *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize EnvMonarch *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize EnvPRC5Rotated *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize EnvYou4 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize Executive *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize B5 *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize Postcard *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize 195x270mm *BRDuplex
*UIConstraints: *PageSize 184x260mm *BRDuplex
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*%UIConstraints: *PageSize Custom *BRDuplex

*%  PageRegion - BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion A5 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion A5Rotated *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion A6 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion JISB5 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion JISB6 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion Br3x5 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion Env10 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion EnvC5 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion EnvChou3 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion EnvDL *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion EnvMonarch *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion EnvPRC5Rotated *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion EnvYou4 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion Executive *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion B5 *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion Postcard *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion 195x270mm *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion 184x260mm *BRDuplex
*%UIConstraints: *PageRegion 197x273mm *BRDuplex
*%UI

Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 15:27:44 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default,
> > > > > called up iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex
> > > > > functions.
> > 
> > Gene - I just looked at  
> > http://www.openprinting.org/printers
> > (Why didn't I think of that before?)
> > Your printer is not in the list of Brother printers which can be
> > expected to work in Linux, and they do not provide a driver for it.
> > 
> > Will your printer work properly with a current Ubuntu Live CD? (14.10 
> > presumably)  Perhaps find a way of extracting the Ubuntu driver?
> > They have probably tweaked something.
> 
> No need :)
> 
> I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
> printer there. I've checked.

Not surprising; the licence for the Brother software doesn't permit
distribution.

The lack of advice on the HL-3170CDW at openprinting is an indication
that no user of it has added any, not a judgement on whether it works
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 14:30:44 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:13:26 Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> > > I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> > > overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
> >
> > Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.
>
> That, on this system, is a subdir with a bunch of .py stuff in it.
>
> And I find it a bit interesting that despite there being a bit over half a
> megabyte of python stuff in that directory, this command returns a null.
>
> gene@coyote:/usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde$ grep -i duplex
> *
>
> OTOH, the old install is similarly bereft of any results in that directory,
> and it worked just fine.  So if I run from the system menu, "printing", I
> get a slightly different interface gui, but attempts to look at the printer
> profile in question reports an error '(unknown IPP tag)' has an unknown
> value and cannot be edited (presumably because I have not groked a way to
> run it from the menu item named "printing" with root privileges.
>
> But when I have figured it out, I get the same error, when I attempt to
> commit a change in the print quality, I am presented with the same error
> BUT it does appear to get changed.
>
> Clicking on closing the error does go ahead and display all the values as
> set by the web page localhost:631.
>
> I finally figure out how to run that as  root, and get the same IPP
> resolution tag error as when I run it as me.
>
> Synopsis so far:  If I want good color, it appears I have to use the
> brother drivers, but when I do, NO system printing facility can see or use
> the printers duplexing ability, the printer options page of everything that
> has a print in the file menu, call up a similar function selection
> interface that all ghosts out, and it will not use it regardless of the
> printers own menu settings under the tray menu.
>
> Filing a bug seems to go to a black hole, made difficult to file by the
> insistence of a name of a package to file the bug against when I have no
> damned clue where or why its getting lost.
>
> Which is right back at square one.  So how the heck do I convince the bug
> triage people into actually looking at this endless, nobody has more than a
> tentative clue/suggestion, which I have checked out in every case where I
> understood the lingo, without any resolution to the problem that wheezy
> has, but which ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS never had since I bought this printer
> around 2 years ago.  And since we've been chasing our collective tailks for
> what, 10 days now, its obviously not going to get fixed until the debian
> bug fixers who deal with printing actually read this thread. 
> bugs.debian.org is, as far as being able to describe the error, miserably
> lacking because the only place you can try is in the ending comments, which
> apparently aren't being read.
>
> No reply in about 24 hours.  What sort of a time frame should I expect?

It isn't a Debian bug.  You haven't got a working driver for Linux.  Try to 
get it from Ubuntu 10.04 since Ubuntu 14.04 hasn't got it either.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 04:13:26 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> > I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> > overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
>
> Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.

That, on this system, is a subdir with a bunch of .py stuff in it.

And I find it a bit interesting that despite there being a bit over half a 
megabyte of python stuff in that directory, this command returns a null.

gene@coyote:/usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde$ grep -i duplex * 

OTOH, the old install is similarly bereft of any results in that directory, 
and it worked just fine.  So if I run from the system menu, "printing", I get 
a slightly different interface gui, but attempts to look at the printer 
profile in question reports an error '(unknown IPP tag)' has an unknown value 
and cannot be edited (presumably because I have not groked a way to run it 
from the menu item named "printing" with root privileges.

But when I have figured it out, I get the same error, when I attempt to commit 
a change in the print quality, I am presented with the same error BUT it does 
appear to get changed.

Clicking on closing the error does go ahead and display all the values as set 
by the web page localhost:631.

I finally figure out how to run that as  root, and get the same IPP resolution 
tag error as when I run it as me.

Synopsis so far:  If I want good color, it appears I have to use the brother 
drivers, but when I do, NO system printing facility can see or use the 
printers duplexing ability, the printer options page of everything that has a 
print in the file menu, call up a similar function selection interface that 
all ghosts out, and it will not use it regardless of the printers own menu 
settings under the tray menu.

Filing a bug seems to go to a black hole, made difficult to file by the 
insistence of a name of a package to file the bug against when I have no 
damned clue where or why its getting lost.

Which is right back at square one.  So how the heck do I convince the bug 
triage people into actually looking at this endless, nobody has more than a 
tentative clue/suggestion, which I have checked out in every case where I 
understood the lingo, without any resolution to the problem that wheezy has, 
but which ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS never had since I bought this printer around 2 
years ago.  And since we've been chasing our collective tailks for what, 10 
days now, its obviously not going to get fixed until the debian bug fixers 
who deal with printing actually read this thread.  bugs.debian.org is, as far 
as being able to describe the error, miserably lacking because the only place 
you can try is in the ending comments, which apparently aren't being read.

No reply in about 24 hours.  What sort of a time frame should I expect?

Thanks & Cheers Curt, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Petter Adsen]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:03:17 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default,
> > > > called up iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex
> > > > functions.
> 
> Gene - I just looked at  
> http://www.openprinting.org/printers
> (Why didn't I think of that before?)
> Your printer is not in the list of Brother printers which can be
> expected to work in Linux, and they do not provide a driver for it.
> 
> Will your printer work properly with a current Ubuntu Live CD? (14.10 
> presumably)  Perhaps find a way of extracting the Ubuntu driver?
> They have probably tweaked something.

No need :)

I have a 14.10 machine right here, and there is no driver for his
printer there. I've checked.

Sorry, Gene. :(

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default, called up
> > > iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex functions.

Gene - I just looked at  
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
(Why didn't I think of that before?)
Your printer is not in the list of Brother printers which can be expected to 
work in Linux, and they do not provide a driver for it.

Will your printer work properly with a current Ubuntu Live CD? (14.10 
presumably)  Perhaps find a way of extracting the Ubuntu driver?  They have 
probably tweaked something.

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>>
>> Gene said
>>
>>  No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set it
>>  in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It
>>  will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
>>  there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.
>
> Thanks, Curt.  But the CUPS test page is not duplex, is it?
>
> Lisi
>
>

Well, I labored under the assumption that if you set duplex as a default
in the CUPS web interface and then print a test page with some
duplex-amenable material, you get a duplex test page, and I thought
that's exactly what Gene was saying above.  If it wasn't, why say
anything about a test page that prints a single-sided page, because
we've known the printer could do that from the very beginning (88
pages etc...)?  


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:58:50 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he
> > couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then
> > that explains it.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Gene said
>
>  No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set it
>  in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It
>  will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
>  there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.

Thanks, Curt.  But the CUPS test page is not duplex, is it?

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 12:58:50 +, Curt wrote:

> On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> >
> > I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he 
> > couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then 
> > that 
> > explains it.
> >
> > Lisi
> 
> Gene said 
> 
>  No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set it
>  in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It
>  will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
>  there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.

evince and okular show duplex as "not available", not as "disabled".

The cups test page is a single page. When duplex is "on" on my printer
the sheet is pulled back in after one side is printed. Then it is
ejected. The other side is blank of course.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-25, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>
> I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he 
> couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then that 
> explains it.
>
> Lisi
>
>

Gene said 

 No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. *I did set it
 in localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It
 will print a cups test page ok*, and the colors look ok in the wheel
 there.  But no other app can detect that it is duplex capable.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 12:31:05 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:10:05 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:20:20 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:11:51 Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > > > > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD
> > > > > does not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> > > >
> > > > Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
> > > > duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
> > > > default in the web interface.
> > >
> > > I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he
> > > couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then
> > > that explains it.
> >
> > The facility to print duplex *is* in the PPD. Displaying this information
> > in the GTK and Qt print dialogues is a different matter.
> 
> I'm lost now.
> 
> > > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > > > > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD
> > > > > does not provide such an option.
> 
> > The facility to print duplex *is* in the PPD.
> 
> Both from you.  Could you explain?

Have you looked in the PPD to see whether

(a) the "Duplex" option is here

(b) the facility to print duplex is present?


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:48:52 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Because THIS Brother supplied ppd has the characters BR prepended to every
> variable name in the duplex control stanza?  You can edit the BR's out of
> the ppd, restart cups, and these option ARE then visible and settable in
> the print options dialogs.  But then of course without the BR in the option
> string, the printer ignores it as just so much noise?  Somehow I think this
> is the real problem.

Have you tried asking Brother?

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 03:30:06 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default, called up
> > iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex functions.
>
> There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.

Because THIS Brother supplied ppd has the characters BR prepended to every 
variable name in the duplex control stanza?  You can edit the BR's out of the 
ppd, restart cups, and these option ARE then visible and settable in the 
print options dialogs.  But then of course without the BR in the option 
string, the printer ignores it as just so much noise?  Somehow I think this 
is the real problem.

One other attempt:  I just set the emulation to be fixed at HP LaserJet, but 
cups has about 15,000 such HP drivers.  I could finish wearing out the 
printer by the time I found the right version. :( :(

From a printout of its settings, non-duplexed because that was turned off but 
I just turned it back on, the HP LaserJet section looks like this:
-Font  No.  :IO59
-Font Pitch :10.00
-Symbol Set :PC-8
-Auto LF:Off
-Auto CR:Off
-Auto WRAP  :Off
-Left Margin:0
-Right Margin   :80
-Top Margin :0.50
-Bottom Margin  :0.50
-Lines  :60

Under the , which is under the network settings printout on 
page 3, I see this list of services
BRN001BA9E3811F
BINARY_P1
TEXT_P1
POSTSCRIPT_P1
PCL_P1
BRN001BA9E3811F_AT

I get the impression that it loses capabilities when emulating the LaserJet.

But from this, can a suggested driver even be determined?  In which case, 
please suggest. 

I did find a driver that almost works, but the color output has a quite 
pronounced magenta overcast to it.  And every  job sent logs an error to the 
cups screen: Unable to write data: broken pipe

So the foomatic LaserJet hp4550 pxlcolor is not the right one, duplex works, 
but the color are nasty.  I have tried several other "familys" of the HP 
LaserJet line, but I generally lose the duplex when I do.  I'll see if I can 
find the reservoir for all the ppd's and do a little grepping to find those 
with duplexing functions.  A filter the cups configuration menu is severely 
lacking in.  Likewise, all these other drivers have no color tweaking 
facilities, something the brother drivers can do for every conceivable color 
combination.

Later, after some coffee has been absorbed.  Up way too darned early for a 
retired old fart.

I have not rx'd any replies from bugs.debian.org, is it not setup to do that 
automatically?

Thanks all.
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 12:10:05 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:20:20 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:11:51 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > > > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD
> > > > does not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> > >
> > > Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
> > > duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
> > > default in the web interface.
> >
> > I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he
> > couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then
> > that explains it.
>
> The facility to print duplex *is* in the PPD. Displaying this information
> in the GTK and Qt print dialogues is a different matter.

I'm lost now.

> > > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > > > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD
> > > > does not provide such an option.

> The facility to print duplex *is* in the PPD.

Both from you.  Could you explain?

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 11:20:20 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:11:51 Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
> > > not provide such an option. There is no bug.
> >
> > Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
> > duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
> > default in the web interface.
> 
> I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he 
> couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then that 
> explains it.

The facility to print duplex *is* in the PPD. Displaying this information
in the GTK and Qt print dialogues is a different matter.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 10:11:51 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
> > CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> > information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
> > not provide such an option. There is no bug.
>
> Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
> duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
> default in the web interface.

I didn't understand him so to say. :-/  I thought that he said that he 
couldn't print duplex at all at the moment.  If it isn't in the PPD then that 
explains it.

Lisi


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2015 09:13:26 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> > I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> > overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
>
> Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.

He's using TDE not KDE4.  It's menu -> settings -> printers

But I never use it, Gene.  I stick to CUPS.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-25, Brian  wrote:
>
> CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
> information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
> not provide such an option. There is no bug.

Then I can't understand why Gene said he could print a test page in
duplex using the brother PPD after setting the duplex option as a
default in the web interface.

> The inability to print in duplex is not related to the greying-out in
> the print dialogues.
>
>


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 09:13:26 +, Curt wrote:

> On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
> >
> > There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> > I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> > overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> > greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.
> 
> Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.

It's not.

The duplex facilities are not available for any application using the
GTK or Qt print dialogues because CUPS has not provided information
about them.

CUPS has not provided information about them them because it gets its
information from the Duplex option in the PPD file. The brother PPD does
not provide such an option. There is no bug.

The inability to print in duplex is not related to the greying-out in
the print dialogues.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-25, Curt  wrote:
>
> There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
> I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
> overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
> greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.

Maybe it's 'system-config-printer-kde'.
>
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>
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 24 February 2015 21:50:21 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 February 2015 12:29:51 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 February 2015 17:19:13 Ric Moore wrote:
> > > On 02/24/2015 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gene, I hesitate to ask, but I must. Have you tried this page?
> > > http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/faq_prn.html?c=us_ot&lang=en
> > >&c om ple=on&redirect=on
> > >
> > > Hope that helps, Ric
> >
> > From that:
> > ---
> > I print using one-side (single-side) setting for Linux. But The print
> > result is duplex printing.
> >
> >
> > The print result may be duplex printing when the setting of the Brother
> > machine is duplex printing.
> > Please turn off duplex setting by the control panel, EWS or RPC.
>
> EWS or RPC?  I don't recall ever being introduced to them critters. :)
>
> But I did that, after printing all 4 pages of its info to see where the
> heck that choice was, under paper tray, yes it was on, now turned off. 

Surely you want Duplex on?  Though it doesn't seem to make any difference.

Maybe Ubuntu had tweaked the driver, and it is the driver that is the problem.  
Is there another driver available?  Does Brother not support its printers?  
Could you not ask Brother for some help?

Lisi

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>
> Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default, called up 
> iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex functions.
>

There's also, I believe, a kde specific printer settings tool (of which
I don't know the name) whose defaults might be conflicting with or
overriding your duplex desires, although why the option would be
greyed-out in various pdf viewers escapes me.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 February 2015 12:29:51 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 February 2015 17:19:13 Ric Moore wrote:
> > On 02/24/2015 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gene, I hesitate to ask, but I must. Have you tried this page?
> > http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/faq_prn.html?c=us_ot&lang=en&c
> >om ple=on&redirect=on
> >
> > Hope that helps, Ric
>
> From that:
> ---
> I print using one-side (single-side) setting for Linux. But The print
> result is duplex printing.
>
>
> The print result may be duplex printing when the setting of the Brother
> machine is duplex printing.
> Please turn off duplex setting by the control panel, EWS or RPC.

EWS or RPC?  I don't recall ever being introduced to them critters. :)

But I did that, after printing all 4 pages of its info to see where the heck 
that choice was, under paper tray, yes it was on, now turned off.  cups 
however still says its on, and firing up okular it wa still ghosted.  I 
thought you were onto something because I have been in the situation where my 
HL2140 was in landscape, and I set something to be printed in landscape and 
had a heck of a time recognizing that the portrait output I was getting, was 
in fact upside down!  Duh.

Went around the bush again, turned it off in cups default, called up 
iceweasals print menu and again was denied duplex functions.

As I told Ric, bug filed, against cups common  for lack of a better direction 
to point a finger.  Since I am a novice with bug reporting, red hats bugzilla 
saw  to that.  I think in 10 years I managed to get past the guard dogs & 
file 1 bug report, and was answered with a cancel, won't fix message. In 
about a minute flat.

Thanks Lisi

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 February 2015 12:19:13 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 02/24/2015 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>
> Gene, I hesitate to ask, but I must. Have you tried this page?
> http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/faq_prn.html?c=us_ot&lang=en&com
>ple=on&redirect=on
>
> Hope that helps, Ric
>
It might have Ric, not fully tested.  They now have an installer so I grabbed 
it and ran it. the other two driver files and ran the installer.  Now to see 
if okular, evince etc behaves.

No change, both evince and okular show duplex as disabled. I did set it in 
localhost:631/printers/printer/set defaults.  No problem there.  It will 
print a cups test page ok, and the colors look ok in the wheel there. But no 
other app can detect that it is duplex capable.

Its becoming a pisser that will make me install something else in another week 
if it cannot be solved.  Entirely too much of wheezy is busted. I had to 
install TDE to get a working kmail. I can't print duplex on a printer that by 
the time I brought spare toners for, dropped my card balance a bit north of 
$800.

Screw it, bug filed against cups-common for lack of a suitable place to point 
a finger at.  Hell it might even be the somewhere below the KT boundary 
version of libpoppler wheezy uses, somebody did mention it, once as not being 
capable of duplex processing.  I did find a slightly newer one, but not as 
fresh as what ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS uses, but I have no clue how to link it in 
to test it since there are 8 varieties/variations of that library installed 
right now.  And I have no clue which cups is using for its pdf to image 
processor.  I'll check the dependencies.  cups says poppler-utils>=0.12, and 
0.18 is installed.  So where does one point  the finger at?

Clue that didn't make it into the bug reporty: go into the ppd, and edit the 
characters 'BR' out of all the duplex strings.

THEN okular/evince etc CAN see the duplex stuff ok, but when you check it to 
be used, I still got 88 pages of a nut-ups manual, printed single sided.  

Some sort of a string missmatch is at the heart of this? DamnedifIknow...

If the bugreporter sends me an email for clarification I'll add that little 
detail.

Thanks Ric.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 24 February 2015 17:19:13 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 02/24/2015 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>
> Gene, I hesitate to ask, but I must. Have you tried this page?
> http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/faq_prn.html?c=us_ot&lang=en&com
>ple=on&redirect=on
>
> Hope that helps, Ric

From that:
---
I print using one-side (single-side) setting for Linux. But The print result 
is duplex printing. 


The print result may be duplex printing when the setting of the Brother 
machine is duplex printing.
Please turn off duplex setting by the control panel, EWS or RPC.
--

Have you checked whether the duplex setting in the control panel is switched 
on??

It's usually something so screamingly simple that it makes one bang ones head 
on the wall.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Ric Moore]

On 02/24/2015 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:


Gene, I hesitate to ask, but I must. Have you tried this page?
http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/faq_prn.html?c=us_ot&lang=en&comple=on&redirect=on

Hope that helps, Ric



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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 February 2015 11:20:19 Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:14:23 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 February 2015 10:16:24 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 24 February 2015 04:47:14 Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > >> Why not print a page range?
> > > >
> > > > I fail to understand why you don't print a test page from the CUPS
> > > > interface, after having selected duplex printing as a default
> > > > printing option.  I don't know what this would tell us if it did
> > > > (or didn't) work, but less trees might suffer in the interim.
> > > > Perhaps duplex printing as a default option in the CUPS web
> > > > interface is unavailable.
> > >
> > > Apparently that only works using the brother drivers. I can run it
> > > in postscript mode too, but in that mode the cups test page crashes
> > > it, and it crashes at the end of any print job sent to it, in all
> > > cases needing a power cycle to restore it for the next job.
> > >
> > > The brother drivers have all the duplex operations visible in the
> > > localhost:631 access, but there is absolutely no facility in wheezy
> > > that can use it, those options are in the printer dialogs presented
> > > by any other program from geany thru evince and okular, all show
> > > the duplex operations ghosted out and unavailable.
> > >
> > > The point being that all of this worked flawlessly for
> > > ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS.
> > >
> > > Someone said that libpoppler can't do duplex, but wheezy is
> > > supposed to be newer. I have the old drive mounted, so I'll just go
> > > check libpoppler versions.
> > >
> > > Here is what I can find:
> > > root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l `locate poppler|grep '/opt' -`
> > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2127836 Jun 11  2012
> > > /mnt/ltsslash/opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root
> > > root 2127836 Jun 11  2012 /opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25
> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49076 Nov 25
> > > 10:23 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root
> > > root  23 Nov 25 10:22 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0 ->
> > > libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49080 Nov 25
> > > 10:23 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0
> > > root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l `locate poppler|grep '/usr/lib' -`
> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  167400 Nov  8
> > > 2011 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so
> > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  24 Apr  4
> > > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4 ->
> > > libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  191248 Mar 28
> > > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > > root root 23 Aug 15  2014 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3
> > > -> libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  453476 Mar 28
> > > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > > root root 19 Apr  4  2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5 ->
> > > libpoppler.so.5.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1853748 Mar 28
> > > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root
> > > root  38 Sep  4
> > > 08:20 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/poppler.so
> > > -> /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
> > > 66896 Jan 25
> > > 2010 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so lrwxrwxrwx
> > > 1 root root  24 Feb  3
> > > 22:15 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8 ->
> > > libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  238940 Mar 25
> > > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > > root root 23 Mar 25
> > > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3 ->
> > > libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  345440 Mar 25
> > > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > > root root 20 Feb  3 22:15 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19
> > > -> libpoppler.so.19.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1922928 Mar 25
> > > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root
> > > root   17768 Jun  3
> > > 2012
> > > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/tumbler-1/plugins/tumbler-poppler-thumbnailer.s
> > >o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  184568 Nov 28
> > > 2012 /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so
> > >
> > > This obviously shows the version trinity installed, which I did
> > > yesterday because wheezy's kmail version 1.13.7 has broken font
> > > rendering in the message window as described in about 15 posts to
> > > the list with no solution that worked offered. I'd file a bug but
> > > my wall is so full of scribbled passwds that I cannot find the one
> > > I want the next time I need it now.
> > >
> > > kmail 1.9.5, except for a lack of a dbus port, just works.
> > >
> > > The above list is a bit confusing but if I can get that so.25
> > > version linked correctly, it would be my next attempt to solve this
> > > problem. Someone said that it was the wheezy version of it that
> > > cannot do duplex.  It works, with the above gotcha's if I use a
> > > postscript l

Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Petter Adsen]

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:14:23 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tuesday 24 February 2015 10:16:24 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 February 2015 04:47:14 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > >> Why not print a page range?
> > >
> > > I fail to understand why you don't print a test page from the CUPS
> > > interface, after having selected duplex printing as a default
> > > printing option.  I don't know what this would tell us if it did
> > > (or didn't) work, but less trees might suffer in the interim.
> > > Perhaps duplex printing as a default option in the CUPS web
> > > interface is unavailable.
> >
> > Apparently that only works using the brother drivers. I can run it
> > in postscript mode too, but in that mode the cups test page crashes
> > it, and it crashes at the end of any print job sent to it, in all
> > cases needing a power cycle to restore it for the next job.
> >
> > The brother drivers have all the duplex operations visible in the
> > localhost:631 access, but there is absolutely no facility in wheezy
> > that can use it, those options are in the printer dialogs presented
> > by any other program from geany thru evince and okular, all show
> > the duplex operations ghosted out and unavailable.
> >
> > The point being that all of this worked flawlessly for
> > ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS.
> >
> > Someone said that libpoppler can't do duplex, but wheezy is
> > supposed to be newer. I have the old drive mounted, so I'll just go
> > check libpoppler versions.
> >
> > Here is what I can find:
> > root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l `locate poppler|grep '/opt' -`
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2127836 Jun 11  2012
> > /mnt/ltsslash/opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root
> > root 2127836 Jun 11  2012 /opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49076 Nov 25
> > 10:23 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root
> > root  23 Nov 25 10:22 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0 ->
> > libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49080 Nov 25
> > 10:23 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0
> > root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l `locate poppler|grep '/usr/lib' -`
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  167400 Nov  8
> > 2011 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  24 Apr  4
> > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4 ->
> > libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  191248 Mar 28
> > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > root root 23 Aug 15  2014 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3
> > -> libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  453476 Mar 28
> > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > root root 19 Apr  4  2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5 ->
> > libpoppler.so.5.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1853748 Mar 28
> > 2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root
> > root  38 Sep  4
> > 08:20 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/poppler.so
> > -> /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
> > 66896 Jan 25
> > 2010 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so lrwxrwxrwx
> > 1 root root  24 Feb  3
> > 22:15 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8 ->
> > libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  238940 Mar 25
> > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > root root 23 Mar 25
> > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3 ->
> > libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  345440 Mar 25
> > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1
> > root root 20 Feb  3 22:15 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19
> > -> libpoppler.so.19.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1922928 Mar 25
> > 2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root
> > root   17768 Jun  3
> > 2012 
> > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/tumbler-1/plugins/tumbler-poppler-thumbnailer.so
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  184568 Nov 28
> > 2012 /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so
> >
> > This obviously shows the version trinity installed, which I did
> > yesterday because wheezy's kmail version 1.13.7 has broken font
> > rendering in the message window as described in about 15 posts to
> > the list with no solution that worked offered. I'd file a bug but
> > my wall is so full of scribbled passwds that I cannot find the one
> > I want the next time I need it now.
> >
> > kmail 1.9.5, except for a lack of a dbus port, just works.
> >
> > The above list is a bit confusing but if I can get that so.25
> > version linked correctly, it would be my next attempt to solve this
> > problem. Someone said that it was the wheezy version of it that
> > cannot do duplex.  It works, with the above gotcha's if I use a
> > postscript level 1 driver in cups.  Does anyone have a clue how old
> > level 1 is? Several decades.  We already had level 2 support in
> > ghostscript when I built it at version 5.02 on an amiga in the
> > middle 90's. I have a copy of the postsc

Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 February 2015 10:16:24 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 February 2015 04:47:14 Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > >> Why not print a page range?
> >
> > I fail to understand why you don't print a test page from the CUPS
> > interface, after having selected duplex printing as a default printing
> > option.  I don't know what this would tell us if it did (or didn't) work,
> > but less trees might suffer in the interim. Perhaps duplex printing as a
> > default option in the CUPS web interface is unavailable.
>
> Apparently that only works using the brother drivers. I can run it in
> postscript mode too, but in that mode the cups test page crashes it,
> and it crashes at the end of any print job sent to it, in all cases
> needing a power cycle to restore it for the next job.
>
> The brother drivers have all the duplex operations visible in the
> localhost:631 access, but there is absolutely no facility in wheezy that
> can use it, those options are in the printer dialogs presented by any
> other program from geany thru evince and okular, all show the duplex
> operations ghosted out and unavailable.
>
> The point being that all of this worked flawlessly for ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS.
>
> Someone said that libpoppler can't do duplex, but wheezy is supposed to be
> newer. I have the old drive mounted, so I'll just go check libpoppler
> versions.
>
> Here is what I can find:
> root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l `locate poppler|grep '/opt' -`
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2127836 Jun 11  2012
> /mnt/ltsslash/opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
> 2127836 Jun 11  2012 /opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25 -rw-r--r-- 1 root
> root   49076 Nov 25 10:23 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so lrwxrwxrwx 1
> root root  23 Nov 25 10:22 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0 ->
> libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49080 Nov 25 10:23
> /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0 root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l
> `locate poppler|grep '/usr/lib' -` -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  167400 Nov  8 
> 2011 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so lrwxrwxrwx 1
> root root  24 Apr  4  2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4
> -> libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  191248 Mar 28  2013
> /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 
> 23 Aug 15  2014 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3 ->
> libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  453476 Mar 28  2013
> /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 
> 19 Apr  4  2013 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5 ->
> libpoppler.so.5.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1853748 Mar 28  2013
> /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  38
> Sep  4
> 08:20 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/poppler.so ->
> /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   66896 Jan
> 25  2010 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so lrwxrwxrwx 1
> root root  24 Feb  3 22:15 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8
> -> libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  238940 Mar 25  2013
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root
>  23 Mar 25  2013 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3 ->
> libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  345440 Mar 25  2013
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 
> 20 Feb  3 22:15 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19 ->
> libpoppler.so.19.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1922928 Mar 25  2013
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   17768
> Jun  3  2012
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/tumbler-1/plugins/tumbler-poppler-thumbnailer.so
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  184568 Nov 28  2012
> /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so
>
> This obviously shows the version trinity installed, which I did yesterday
> because wheezy's kmail version 1.13.7 has broken font rendering in the
> message window as described in about 15 posts to the list with no solution
> that worked offered. I'd file a bug but my wall is so full of scribbled
> passwds that I cannot find the one I want the next time I need it now.
>
> kmail 1.9.5, except for a lack of a dbus port, just works.
>
> The above list is a bit confusing but if I can get that so.25 version
> linked correctly, it would be my next attempt to solve this problem.
> Someone said that it was the wheezy version of it that cannot do
> duplex.  It works, with the above gotcha's if I use a postscript level 1
> driver in cups.  Does anyone have a clue how old level 1 is? Several
> decades.  We already had level 2 support in ghostscript when I built it
> at version 5.02 on an amiga in the middle 90's. I have a copy of the
> postscript level 3 specification on the shelf above me thats at least
> 15 years old, printed  from that same amiga.
>
> I see by the above list that kde has its own, less than 10% of the size
> of the so.25 that calibre uses.

FWIW, I load

Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 February 2015 04:47:14 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >> Why not print a page range?
>
> I fail to understand why you don't print a test page from the CUPS
> interface, after having selected duplex printing as a default printing
> option.  I don't know what this would tell us if it did (or didn't) work,
> but less trees might suffer in the interim. Perhaps duplex printing as a
> default option in the CUPS web interface is unavailable.

Apparently that only works using the brother drivers. I can run it in 
postscript mode too, but in that mode the cups test page crashes it, 
and it crashes at the end of any print job sent to it, in all cases 
needing a power cycle to restore it for the next job.

The brother drivers have all the duplex operations visible in the 
localhost:631 access, but there is absolutely no facility in wheezy that 
can use it, those options are in the printer dialogs presented by any 
other program from geany thru evince and okular, all show the duplex 
operations ghosted out and unavailable.

The point being that all of this worked flawlessly for ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS. 

Someone said that libpoppler can't do duplex, but wheezy is supposed to be 
newer.
I have the old drive mounted, so I'll just go check libpoppler versions.

Here is what I can find:
root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l `locate poppler|grep '/opt' -`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2127836 Jun 11  2012 
/mnt/ltsslash/opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2127836 Jun 11  2012 /opt/calibre/lib/libpoppler.so.25
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49076 Nov 25 10:23 /opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  23 Nov 25 10:22 
/opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0 -> libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49080 Nov 25 10:23 
/opt/trinity/lib/libpoppler-tqt.so.0.0.0
root@coyote:/etc/default# ls -l `locate poppler|grep '/usr/lib' -`
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  167400 Nov  8  2011 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  24 Apr  4  2013 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4 -> libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  191248 Mar 28  2013 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-glib.so.4.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  23 Aug 15  2014 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3 -> libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  453476 Mar 28  2013 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.2.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  19 Apr  4  2013 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5 -> libpoppler.so.5.0.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1853748 Mar 28  2013 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/libpoppler.so.5.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  38 Sep  4 
08:20 /mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/poppler.so -> 
/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   66896 Jan 25  2010 
/mnt/ltsslash/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/poppler.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  24 Feb  3 22:15 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8 -> libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  238940 Mar 25  2013 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8.2.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  23 Mar 25  2013 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3 -> libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  345440 Mar 25  2013 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt4.so.3.7.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  20 Feb  3 22:15 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19 -> libpoppler.so.19.0.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1922928 Mar 25  2013 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19.0.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   17768 Jun  3  2012 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/tumbler-1/plugins/tumbler-poppler-thumbnailer.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  184568 Nov 28  2012 
/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so

This obviously shows the version trinity installed, which I did yesterday 
because wheezy's kmail version 1.13.7 has broken font rendering in the
message window as described in about 15 posts to the list with no solution
that worked offered. I'd file a bug but my wall is so full of scribbled
passwds that I cannot find the one I want the next time I need it now.

kmail 1.9.5, except for a lack of a dbus port, just works.

The above list is a bit confusing but if I can get that so.25 version 
linked correctly, it would be my next attempt to solve this problem.
Someone said that it was the wheezy version of it that cannot do
duplex.  It works, with the above gotcha's if I use a postscript level 1 
driver in cups.  Does anyone have a clue how old level 1 is? Several 
decades.  We already had level 2 support in ghostscript when I built it
at version 5.02 on an amiga in the middle 90's. I have a copy of the
postscript level 3 specification on the shelf above me thats at least
15 years old, printed  from that same amiga.

I see by the above list that kde has its own, less than 10% of the size 
of the so.25 that calibre uses.

If indeed its libpopplers problem, how about getting everybody on the 
same page, using just one version that works?  This install has 7 versions!
Can we please introduce the left hand to the rig

Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-24, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Why not print a page range?
>>

I fail to understand why you don't print a test page from the CUPS
interface, after having selected duplex printing as a default printing
option.  I don't know what this would tell us if it did (or didn't) work,
but less trees might suffer in the interim. Perhaps duplex printing as a
default option in the CUPS web interface is unavailable. 


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 23 February 2015 07:40:10 pm Brian wrote:
> On Mon 23 Feb 2015 at 16:26:59 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:20:38 AM Brian wrote:
> > > > The duplex section of the PPD has
> > > >
> > > >   *%=== BRDuplex 
> > > >   *OpenUI *BRDuplex/Two-Sided: PickOne
> > > >   *OrderDependency: 25 AnySetup *BRDuplex
> > > >   *BRDefaultDuplex: None
> > > >   *BRDuplex DuplexTumble/Short-Edge Binding: "  "
> > > >   *BRDuplex DuplexNoTumble/Long-Edge Binding: "  "
> > > >   *BRDuplex None/Off: "  "
> > > >   *CloseUI: *BRDuplex
> > > >
> > > > When all instances of "BR" are removed and CUPS restarted the options
> > > > for Two-sided in Page Setup become available in evince and iceweasel.
> > > > Only you can test whether this leads to the desired printing outcome,
> >
> > This however, had no effect on okular, duplex functions are ghosted and
> > unavailable.  Repeated it twice to make sure, restarting everything
> > including okular.  Or maybe I miss-understood and you are removeing the
> > characters 'BR' only.  By golly, that does unghost that option in okular.
>
> Yes, the two characters only. "BR" refers to BR-Script, Brother's
> PostScript emulation. My hopes that this would work were not high,
> partly because I cannot believe Brother doesn't know how to construct a
> PPD and partly because I do not like messing with them.
>
> > But it doesn't make it work, so I now have 4 copies of an 88 page manual,
> > printed single sided.  Frustrated is not an adequate description here,
> > but at least its printable. :(
>
> Why not print a page range?
>
> Anyway, time for Plan B.
>
> Your printer understands PCL, so we could ditch BR-Script and the
> Brother drivers.

That bombed, printed an error on paper.
ERROR:
invalidaccess
OFFENDING COMMAND:
length
STACK:

So I put the printer in HP Laser mode and adjusted cups. Bupkiss, leds on 
printer, had to power cycle it to recover.

Put it back in its native BRwhatever-3 mode, and looked at the options report, 
duplexnotumble was on as before.  None of that was presented by the 
foomatic/pxlcolor(en) when that driver was selected.

Tried to print 4 pages with lp, first good, three blank sheets.
Loaded up okular and found that file is off enough that pages 2-3-4 turned 
yellow on screen and normal screen output from okluar only started back up at 
page 5 & 6.

And okular's duplex modes were ghosted, not selectable.
Tried to print 4 pages with okular, and got the front page and 3 more empty 
pages.

> You want Administration at localhost:631; presumably your printer will
> be detected with "Find New Printers" or "Add Printer". When you get to
> the page for choosing a PPD select "Generic" in the Make: section. You
> have a large choice of PCL PPDs; I'd suggest Foomatic/pxlcolor. Set
> double-sided printing on the next page and check it is operative with
>
>   lpoption -p  -l 
This is from a ppd that did work.

gene@coyote:~/Documents$ sudo  /usr/bin/lpoptions -p Network_printer -l
[sudo] password for gene: 
PageSize/Page Size: Custom.WIDTHxHEIGHT *Letter A4 11x17 A3 A5 B5 Env10 EnvC5 
EnvDL EnvISOB5 EnvMonarch Executive Legal
InputSlot/Media Source: *Default Upper Lower Multipurpose Manual
Duplex/Double-Sided Printing: *DuplexNoTumble DuplexTumble None
Resolution/Resolution: 150x150dpi 300x300dpi *600x600dpi 1200x1200dpi
gene@coyote:~/Documents$ lp -d Network_printer -o page-ranges=1-6 
29406.0.The_6309_Book.pdf
WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect 
to: /home/gene/.cache/keyring-M8lIRC/pkcs11: No such file or directory
request id is Network_printer-27 (1 file(s))

And I got 3 sheets with the middle sheet containing what was effectively 
blank, fed straight out, skiiping the mechanicall processing of a sheet blank 
on both sides.  That ppd is (and the printer is set for auto emulation IIRC),
is Foomatic Postscript level 1.
>
> Now print a page range with
>
>   lp -d  -o page-ranges=1-4 filename
>
> Try with okular and iceweasel too. I am rather more confident that this
> should work for you.

okular still single sides, cannot select duplex so I put it back to the 
postscript level 1, and printed an 8 page mechanical drawing document in full 
color that looks to be even sharper than brothers own drivers, while claiming 
to only do 600x600.  Line drawing colors and full photo colors are of course 
2 different horses that should never share a pasture. So let me do a test 
page from cups and see if it is actually sharper.

And that cups test page apparently crashes the printer, I get a flashing green 
data led, but the printer display is frozen in whatever state it was in, and 
I have to do a reset with the power button.

Now, I'm lost in a forest of info.  Can you see the next step?

And I am doing all this while setting up the TDE desktop since no one has a 
clue why the fonts in the wheezy version of kmail's message window are 
fubared AND unchangeable except for their size.  This

Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Mon 23 Feb 2015 at 16:26:59 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> > On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:20:38 AM Brian wrote:
>  
> > > The duplex section of the PPD has
> > > 
> > >   *%=== BRDuplex 
> > >   *OpenUI *BRDuplex/Two-Sided: PickOne
> > >   *OrderDependency: 25 AnySetup *BRDuplex
> > >   *BRDefaultDuplex: None
> > >   *BRDuplex DuplexTumble/Short-Edge Binding: "  "
> > >   *BRDuplex DuplexNoTumble/Long-Edge Binding: "  "
> > >   *BRDuplex None/Off: "  "
> > >   *CloseUI: *BRDuplex
> > > 
> > > When all instances of "BR" are removed and CUPS restarted the options
> > > for Two-sided in Page Setup become available in evince and iceweasel.
> > > Only you can test whether this leads to the desired printing outcome,
> 
> This however, had no effect on okular, duplex functions are ghosted and 
> unavailable.  Repeated it twice to make sure, restarting everything 
> including okular.  Or maybe I miss-understood and you are removeing the 
> characters 'BR' only.  By golly, that does unghost that option in okular.

Yes, the two characters only. "BR" refers to BR-Script, Brother's
PostScript emulation. My hopes that this would work were not high,
partly because I cannot believe Brother doesn't know how to construct a
PPD and partly because I do not like messing with them.
 
> But it doesn't make it work, so I now have 4 copies of an 88 page manual, 
> printed single sided.  Frustrated is not an adequate description here, but 
> at least its printable. :(

Why not print a page range?

Anyway, time for Plan B.

Your printer understands PCL, so we could ditch BR-Script and the
Brother drivers.

You want Administration at localhost:631; presumably your printer will
be detected with "Find New Printers" or "Add Printer". When you get to
the page for choosing a PPD select "Generic" in the Make: section. You
have a large choice of PCL PPDs; I'd suggest Foomatic/pxlcolor. Set
double-sided printing on the next page and check it is operative with

  lpoption -p  -l

Now print a page range with

  lp -d  -o page-ranges=1-4

Try with okular and iceweasel too. I am rather more confident that this
should work for you.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday, February 23, 2015 02:59:57 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:20:38 AM Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 22 Feb 2015 at 18:30:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > This?
> > > 
> > > BRDuplex/Two-Sided: DuplexTumble *DuplexNoTumble None
> > 
> > As set from Administration/Set Default options on the Printers page
> > of localhost:631, we suppose.
> > 
> > It is tempting to think that
> > 
> >   lp -o BRDuplex=DuplexNoTumble 
> > 
> > or
> > 
> >   lp 
> > 
> > gives double-sided printing.
> > 
> > > See above, I believe we are on the same page.
> > 
> > We are. It is interesting that CUPS always displays "sides=one-sided"
> > on the "Defaults:" line even when setting the default options and
> > altering the PPD file as shown by lpoptions.
> 
> This is interesting>  At what stage of the admin menu is this shown to
> the browser?  It may be some sort of a clue worth checking.
>
And update just made me reboot, so I thought I'd check this out, byt my 
set defaults screen shows it is enabled.
 
> > The duplex section of the PPD has
> > 
> >   *%=== BRDuplex 
> >   *OpenUI *BRDuplex/Two-Sided: PickOne
> >   *OrderDependency: 25 AnySetup *BRDuplex
> >   *BRDefaultDuplex: None
> >   *BRDuplex DuplexTumble/Short-Edge Binding: "  "
> >   *BRDuplex DuplexNoTumble/Long-Edge Binding: "  "
> >   *BRDuplex None/Off: "  "
> >   *CloseUI: *BRDuplex
> > 
> > When all instances of "BR" are removed and CUPS restarted the options
> > for Two-sided in Page Setup become available in evince and iceweasel.
> > Only you can test whether this leads to the desired printing outcome,

This however, had no effect on okular, duplex functions are ghosted and 
unavailable.  Repeated it twice to make sure, restarting everything 
including okular.  Or maybe I miss-understood and you are removeing the 
characters 'BR' only.  By golly, that does unghost that option in okular.

But it doesn't make it work, so I now have 4 copies of an 88 page manual, 
printed single sided.  Frustrated is not an adequate description here, but 
at least its printable. :(

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:20:38 AM Brian wrote:

Second reply. cd'ing to /etc/cups and issueing an ls -l,
only the file for a B&W laser I use for non color stuff is owned by 
root:sys, all other files are owned by root:root.

What is the proper ownership & group for those files?  Perhaps as a user, 
I am being denied access to them?  Something to check at any rate.

> On Sun 22 Feb 2015 at 18:30:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > This?
> > 
> > BRDuplex/Two-Sided: DuplexTumble *DuplexNoTumble None
> 
> As set from Administration/Set Default options on the Printers page of
> localhost:631, we suppose.
> 
> It is tempting to think that
> 
>   lp -o BRDuplex=DuplexNoTumble 
> 
> or
> 
>   lp 
> 
> gives double-sided printing.
> 
> > See above, I believe we are on the same page.
> 
> We are. It is interesting that CUPS always displays "sides=one-sided"
> on the "Defaults:" line even when setting the default options and
> altering the PPD file as shown by lpoptions.
> 
> The duplex section of the PPD has
> 
>   *%=== BRDuplex 
>   *OpenUI *BRDuplex/Two-Sided: PickOne
>   *OrderDependency: 25 AnySetup *BRDuplex
>   *BRDefaultDuplex: None
>   *BRDuplex DuplexTumble/Short-Edge Binding: "  "
>   *BRDuplex DuplexNoTumble/Long-Edge Binding: "  "
>   *BRDuplex None/Off: "  "
>   *CloseUI: *BRDuplex
> 
> When all instances of "BR" are removed and CUPS restarted the options
> for Two-sided in Page Setup become available in evince and iceweasel.
> Only you can test whether this leads to the desired printing outcome,

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:20:38 AM Brian wrote:
> On Sun 22 Feb 2015 at 18:30:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > This?
> > 
> > BRDuplex/Two-Sided: DuplexTumble *DuplexNoTumble None
> 
> As set from Administration/Set Default options on the Printers page of
> localhost:631, we suppose.
> 
> It is tempting to think that
> 
>   lp -o BRDuplex=DuplexNoTumble 
> 
> or
> 
>   lp 
> 
> gives double-sided printing.
> 
> > See above, I believe we are on the same page.
> 
> We are. It is interesting that CUPS always displays "sides=one-sided"
> on the "Defaults:" line even when setting the default options and
> altering the PPD file as shown by lpoptions.

This is interesting>  At what stage of the admin menu is this shown to the 
browser?  It may be some sort of a clue worth checking.
> 
> The duplex section of the PPD has
> 
>   *%=== BRDuplex 
>   *OpenUI *BRDuplex/Two-Sided: PickOne
>   *OrderDependency: 25 AnySetup *BRDuplex
>   *BRDefaultDuplex: None
>   *BRDuplex DuplexTumble/Short-Edge Binding: "  "
>   *BRDuplex DuplexNoTumble/Long-Edge Binding: "  "
>   *BRDuplex None/Off: "  "
>   *CloseUI: *BRDuplex
> 
> When all instances of "BR" are removed and CUPS restarted the options
> for Two-sided in Page Setup become available in evince and iceweasel.
> Only you can test whether this leads to the desired printing outcome,

Sounds like a winner, I'll sure check it out yet today.  Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Sun 22 Feb 2015 at 18:30:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> This?
> 
> BRDuplex/Two-Sided: DuplexTumble *DuplexNoTumble None

As set from Administration/Set Default options on the Printers page of
localhost:631, we suppose.

It is tempting to think that

  lp -o BRDuplex=DuplexNoTumble 

or

  lp 

gives double-sided printing.

> See above, I believe we are on the same page.

We are. It is interesting that CUPS always displays "sides=one-sided" on
the "Defaults:" line even when setting the default options and altering
the PPD file as shown by lpoptions.

The duplex section of the PPD has

  *%=== BRDuplex 
  *OpenUI *BRDuplex/Two-Sided: PickOne
  *OrderDependency: 25 AnySetup *BRDuplex
  *BRDefaultDuplex: None
  *BRDuplex DuplexTumble/Short-Edge Binding: "  "
  *BRDuplex DuplexNoTumble/Long-Edge Binding: "  "
  *BRDuplex None/Off: "  "
  *CloseUI: *BRDuplex

When all instances of "BR" are removed and CUPS restarted the options
for Two-sided in Page Setup become available in evince and iceweasel.
Only you can test whether this leads to the desired printing outcome,


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday, February 22, 2015 02:18:34 PM Brian wrote:
> On Thu 19 Feb 2015 at 20:58:01 +, Brian wrote:
> > Please post the output of
> > 
> >lpoptions -p Brother_HL-3170CDW_series -l
> > 
> > done as gene.
>
This?

gene@coyote:~$ lpoptions -p Brother_HL-3170CDW_series -l
WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: 
/home/gene/.cache/keyring-5WvgqR/pkcs11: No such file or directory
PageSize/Media Size: A4 *Letter Legal Executive A5 A6 B5 JISB5 JISB6 EnvDL 
EnvC5 Env10 EnvMonarch Br3x5 FanFoldGermanLegal EnvPRC5Rotated Postcard 
EnvYou4 EnvChou3 210x270mm 195x270mm 184x260mm 197x273mm
BRDuplex/Two-Sided: DuplexTumble *DuplexNoTumble None
BRInputSlot/Paper Source: *AutoSelect Tray1 Manual
BRResolution/Print Quality: *600dpi 600x2400dpi
BRMonoColor/Color / Mono: *Auto FullColor Mono
BRMediaType/Media Type: Plain Thin *Thick Thicker BOND Env EnvThick 
EnvThin Recycled Label Glossy PostCard
BRColorMatching/Color Mode: Normal *Vivid None
BRGray/Improve Gray Color: OFF *ON
BREnhanceBlkPrt/Enhance Black Printing: OFF *ON
BRTonerSaveMode/Toner Save Mode: *OFF ON
BRImproveOutput/Improve Print Output: OFF BRLessPaperCurl *BRFixIntensity
BRSkipBlank/Skip Blank Page: *OFF ON
BRBrightness/Brightness: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 
-7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 *0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
BRContrast/Contrast: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 -7 
-6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 *2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
BRRed/Red: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 
-3 -2 -1 *0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
BRGreen/Green: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 
-4 -3 -2 -1 *0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
BRBlue/Blue: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 
-3 -2 -1 *0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
BRSaturation/Saturation: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 
-7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 *2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
gene@coyote:~$ 

> How goes this? The purpose of it was to see whether we were on the same
> page and could move on.
> 
See above, I believe we are on the same page.

> If it's any consolation to you I can reproduce your observations. Maybe
> you have a solution by now. The greyed out option in evince says "not
> available", which you neglected to mention; a little perplexing.

I did mention greyed out.  Means its not even selectable. Same as "not 
available" I think.  Is it not? ;)

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Thu 19 Feb 2015 at 20:58:01 +, Brian wrote:

> Please post the output of
> 
>lpoptions -p Brother_HL-3170CDW_series -l
> 
> done as gene.

How goes this? The purpose of it was to see whether we were on the same
page and could move on.

If it's any consolation to you I can reproduce your observations. Maybe
you have a solution by now. The greyed out option in evince says "not
available", which you neglected to mention; a little perplexing.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> lp -d did work a week ago, doesn't lpr use the same destination specifier?
>

My lpr man page says:

 COMPATIBILITY
  The  "c",  "d", "f", "g", "i", "n", "t", "v", and "w" options are
  not supported by CUPS and produce a warning message if used.

The -P flag I guess is what should be used.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Thu 19 Feb 2015 at 15:02:50 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Thursday, February 19, 2015 02:07:41 PM Brian wrote:
> > 
> > Please post the output of
> > 
> >lpstat -t
> 
> gene@coyote:~$ lpstat -t
> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: 
> /home/gene/.cache/keyring-4yH2NN/pkcs11: No such file or directory

This is only a warning. It should not (and apparently doesn't) affect
whether printing takes place.

> scheduler is running
> system default destination: Brother_HL-3170CDW_series

Please post the output of

   lpoptions -p Brother_HL-3170CDW_series -l

done as gene.

> > If there is more than one print queue then please say which one you
> > used when printing from okular.
> 
> The first 3170 listed above.

Thank you

[Adventures with xpdf snipped]

> lp -d did work a week ago, doesn't lpr use the same destination specifier?

>From lpr(1)

   -P destination[/instance]
Prints files to the named printer.

So not -d or -p, but -P.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday, February 19, 2015 02:07:41 PM Brian wrote:
> On Thu 19 Feb 2015 at 13:47:41 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:44:54 PM Curt wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > What do I check next to see if I can restore this function to a
> > > > pretty decent color laser printer?
> > > 
> > > Is it the printer or is it okular?  Have you tried evince, for
> > > example?
> > 
> > evince also ghosts out the duplex functions, and of coarse xpdf never
> > heard of such a thing.  As for acrobat reader, its not in the repo's
> > and while it might try to, any sneeze in the paper feeding and it
> > turns into a buggy, 10 day old road kill carcass.
> 
> The default lpr used with xpdf is fully aware of any printer options.

Not according to the print dialog it presents.  All ghosted.
 
> [Snip]
> 
> > But, its not your fault Curt, so many thanks.  I guess my question
> > is, how many others with full duplex capable printers, are now
> > crippled?
> 
> Rhetorical questions do not help analyse the problem.
> 
> > Might there be a backport repo I could add to /etc/apt/sources.list
> > where I might find the fix?  Or does it not exist yet even in
> > Jessie? IDK.
> 
> Please post the output of
> 
>lpstat -t

gene@coyote:~$ lpstat -t
WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: 
/home/gene/.cache/keyring-4yH2NN/pkcs11: No such file or directory
scheduler is running
system default destination: Brother_HL-3170CDW_series
device for BROTHEHL2140: usb://Brother/HL-2140%20series
device for Brother_HL-3170CDW_series: 
dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._pdl-datastream._tcp.local/

# the above HL-2140 is set as the default, and I did I did check all 3. 
All are duplex enabled.

device for Cups-PDF: cups-pdf:/
device for HL-3170CDW-series: 
usb://Brother/HL-3170CDW%20series?serial=U63478A3J114945
device for HL3170CDW: dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._pdl-
datastream._tcp.local/
BROTHEHL2140 accepting requests since Sun 15 Feb 2015 09:48:28 PM EST
Brother_HL-3170CDW_series accepting requests since Thu 19 Feb 2015 
01:21:50 PM EST
Cups-PDF accepting requests since Sun 15 Feb 2015 09:57:01 PM EST
HL-3170CDW-series accepting requests since Sun 30 Nov 2014 04:22:13 PM EST
HL3170CDW accepting requests since Thu 19 Feb 2015 09:54:40 AM EST
printer BROTHEHL2140 is idle.  enabled since Sun 15 Feb 2015 09:48:28 PM 
EST
printer Brother_HL-3170CDW_series is idle.  enabled since Thu 19 Feb 2015 
01:21:50 PM EST
Ready to print.
printer Cups-PDF is idle.  enabled since Sun 15 Feb 2015 09:57:01 PM EST
printer HL-3170CDW-series is idle.  enabled since Sun 30 Nov 2014 04:22:13 
PM EST
printer HL3170CDW is idle.  enabled since Thu 19 Feb 2015 09:54:40 AM EST
Ready to print.

> 
> If there is more than one print queue then please say which one you
> used when printing from okular.

The first 3170 listed above.

Thanks.

But I note that in my googling, this seems to be a complaint that is over 
a decade old.

Based on yoiur comment that xpdf is aware, I loaded up the file into it 
again, selected print using lpr -dBROTHERHL-3170CDW, set it to do the 
first 4 pages and clicked print.  xpdf went away, but left this in the cli 
terminal, whatever its trying to tell me:

gene@coyote:/usr/share/doc/nut-doc/pdf$ xpdf user-manual.pdf
lpr: Warning - "d" format modifier not supported - output may not be 
correct.
Segmentation fault
gene@coyote:/usr/share/doc/nut-doc/pdf$ WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't 
connect to: /home/gene/.cache/keyring-4yH2NN/pkcs11: No such file or 
directory

lp -d did work a week ago, doesn't lpr use the same destination specifier?

So, just for S&G, I did this:
gene@coyote:/usr/share/doc/nut-doc/pdf$ lpr -pBrother_HL-3170CDW user-
manual.pdf
WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: 
/home/gene/.cache/keyring-4yH2NN/pkcs11: No such file or directory
and 2 minutes later it fired and and made me another 88 page printout, 
single sided and thoroughly randomized in page order because the old 
printout was laying on top of the printer impediing the paper ejection.

In localhost:631, all 3 versions of this printer are setup to do long edge 
binding duplex output.  I take it lpr does not honor the default 
configuration?  IMO it should, but whats this keyring gobbledeegook?  
Maybe thats the real problem?  Its reported for me, and for a sudo -i 
session.

Thank you Brian.

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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Brian]

On Thu 19 Feb 2015 at 13:47:41 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:44:54 PM Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > What do I check next to see if I can restore this function to a
> > > pretty decent color laser printer?
> > 
> > Is it the printer or is it okular?  Have you tried evince, for example?
> 
> evince also ghosts out the duplex functions, and of coarse xpdf never 
> heard of such a thing.  As for acrobat reader, its not in the repo's and 
> while it might try to, any sneeze in the paper feeding and it turns into a 
> buggy, 10 day old road kill carcass.

The default lpr used with xpdf is fully aware of any printer options.

[Snip]

> But, its not your fault Curt, so many thanks.  I guess my question is, how 
> many others with full duplex capable printers, are now crippled?

Rhetorical questions do not help analyse the problem.

> Might there be a backport repo I could add to /etc/apt/sources.list where 
> I might find the fix?  Or does it not exist yet even in Jessie? IDK.

Please post the output of

   lpstat -t

If there is more than one print queue then please say which one you used
when printing from okular.


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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:44:54 PM Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > What do I check next to see if I can restore this function to a
> > pretty decent color laser printer?
> 
> Is it the printer or is it okular?  Have you tried evince, for example?

evince also ghosts out the duplex functions, and of coarse xpdf never 
heard of such a thing.  As for acrobat reader, its not in the repo's and 
while it might try to, any sneeze in the paper feeding and it turns into a 
buggy, 10 day old road kill carcass.

I just had it print, accidentally the whole 88 page thing single sided, 
but I'd swear on a good sized stack of bibles that I clicked on cancel 
when I found out that even with at least 18 more printer thingies 
installed (I've been busy with synaptic this day), I am stuck doing single 
sided, wasting reams of paper because wheezy doesn't seem to be able to do 
it AT ALL.  Everything points to poppler not being able to handle duplex.  
That apparently means that, since poppler is so deeply entwined with 
anything gnomeish when it comes to paper, that my only recourse is to 
install all of kde and convert the system. I did install some of kde 
printer managers however, and they are apparently equally emasculated.

I am not sure how ununtu-10.04.4 LTS did it but it Just Worked.

Here I have a printer that I dropped the card for north of $800 USD with a 
set of spare toner cartridges, and 18 months later I can't use it.  And 
this is called an improvement?  Sorry, I have a different name I apply to 
this degression.

But, its not your fault Curt, so many thanks.  I guess my question is, how 
many others with full duplex capable printers, are now crippled?

Might there be a backport repo I could add to /etc/apt/sources.list where 
I might find the fix?  Or does it not exist yet even in Jessie? IDK.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Curt]

On 2015-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> What do I check next to see if I can restore this function to a pretty 
> decent color laser printer?
>

Is it the printer or is it okular?  Have you tried evince, for example?

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Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings;

I have a brother HL-3170-CDW color laser printer.

When ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS was driving it, duplex printing work, not 
particularly speedy but it worked.

Now, on wheezy, it is disabled.

I have just made sure, starting at the printers own menu's that it is set 
to do duplex, using long edge binding rules.

Send a browser to localhost:631 and check the settings, all examples are 
set for duplex, long edge binding. There's more than one example because I 
can drive it with usb (slow), wifi if I had that setup, and at an ipv4 
address set in my local networks block. Faster than usb by quite noticable 
amounts. 100 megabaud circuit.

Load up a pdf from /usr/share/doc/nut-doc into okular and tell it to print 
the nut docs, 88 pages of them, but okular does not recognise that it can 
do duplex, and leaves all the duplex options ghosted, and I cannot do 
anything but 88 pages of single sided outout.  Record time of course as 
its about 20 ppm in single sided mode.  But 88 pages of 24 lb won't fit in 
a 3 clasp quick binder.  Too thick.

What do I check next to see if I can restore this function to a pretty 
decent color laser printer?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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