[documentation-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org lists are going away

[TJ Frazier]

On 3/10/2012 10:08, Leo Moons wrote:


Op 07-03-12 02:07, TJ Frazier schreef:

To all my friends and colleagues on these documentation lists:

Effective March 15th, all OO.o email addresses and lists are going
away...

[snip]

Hello everybody,

Does this mean that archives of mailing lists will be discontinued and
not be available any more? If not, could you please point out where we
still can find the archives after 15/03? Some Dutch mailing lists were
not archived by Gmane and I would not like to loose the information they
contain.

Many thanks
Best regards

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Hi, Leo,

AFAIK, yes, at least as far as availability at Oracle/Kenai is 
concerned. The whole site is going away, lock, stock, and barrel.


You might check with markmail.org. They have been mentioned as archiving 
some of the lists. I will inquire further on the Apache list, and post 
any answer here.


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[documentation-dev] OpenOffice.org lists are going away

[TJ Frazier]

To all my friends and colleagues on these documentation lists:

Effective March 15th, all OO.o email addresses and lists are going away. 
That includes these two @documentation lists, of which I am a co-owner 
and moderator.


If you are using an @openoffice.org address anywhere (wiki, Bugzilla, 
Apache lists, forums, ...), then you need to change it there. The 
current email forwarding will be discontinued.


The best way to keep up with documentation matters is through the 
ODFAuthors site and ML's. The Apache podling does not yet have a 
separate list for documentation; if and when it does, I will pass the 
word on odfauthors-discuss.


Hail and farewell!
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[documentation-dev] Re: Forgotten username

[TJ Frazier]

On 2/4/2012 08:15, J.Alex Whyte wrote:

My name is John Alexander Whyte and I am a registered user of your
program. Unfortunately I have forgotten the username I selected when
registering, so I am unable to consult the forums. My address ius 144
Corniche Paul Clermont 06670 Colomars France. My phone number 33 (0) 493
080 246.
email j.alex.wh...@wanadoo.fr 
Can you suggest how I can fix this problem?


Hi,

First, you needn't worry about your "registered" username. Just pick one 
you like, and register anew on forum(s) and/or mailing list(s). It's a 
good idea to use the same name everywhere, so others know whom they're 
conversing with. Unfortunately, there is no provision for a "universal 
login"; each account is separate.


Second, the forums are addressable as they previously were, but with our 
big move to Apache, the mailing lists have changed. For instance, this 
particular list will be going away in the near future. You may wish to 
subscribe to the following:


ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org
ooo-users-subscr...@incubator.apache.org

1) Send an email, with "Subscribe" in the subject and in the body. (This 
keeps your email from being caught in spam filters.)


2) Wait a few minutes and then check your inbox for a confirmation email.

3) Respond to the confirmation email (see above precautions).

(If you ever want to unsubscribe, send an email to:
ooo-announce-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org (change the list name as 
needed) and respond to the confirmation email.)


More information on this list, and other Apache OpenOffice project
lists can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html

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[documentation-dev] Re: Offer to contribute to documentation

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/31/2011 19:10, Maxwell Rebo wrote:

Hello,

My name is Maxwell Rebo, and I'm an independent artificial intelligence
developer currently working with Hanson Robotics.

Open Office got me through college, and now it gets my development team
through an average day.  We couldn't work without it.  (I also wrote my
first novel with Open Office!)

Someday soon I'd like to donate resources, but until then I can offer my
help with documentation.  I'm a proficient Linux and Windows user, and
so I can write documentation for either platform.  Please let me know if
you would like any help with this.

Thanks, and happy new year!

---Maxwell


Hi, Maxwell,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for 
OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
work in parallel on the LibreOffice project. More info here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development

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[documentation-dev] Re: User Guide Writing Assistance

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/31/2011 13:16, Chris wrote:

How may I assist?
Also making inquiry as to how I might become employed by Open Office at
a future time. I have been accepted by the Converges company to become
an outbound Customer Service Rep, so do I have qualifications if Open
Office has a need for an overnight Customer Service or Sales position.
Thank you,
Rita C. Vogts


Hi, Rita,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for 
OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.
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You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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As far as employment, though: we're all volunteers, at all these places.

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[documentation-dev] Re: Open Office - Writing

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/10/2011 18:28, Jim DeHaven wrote:

I am interested in helping to write documentation on Open Office products.

I am a new user to the product and willing to learn and write what I can.

Let me know what areas you need help with.



Hi, Jim,

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OpenOffice.org. And, sorry for the delay: we've been having a little 
problem with the mailing lists.


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number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
work in parallel on the LibreOffice project. More info here:
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[documentation-dev] Re: writing for the how to guide

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/8/2011 10:03, Randine wrote:

Hello.
My name is Randine Westgate and I am interested in writing with you. I
have recently been introduced to this software and would love to help
make it easier to navigate and use for others.
To see some of my writing go to www.nevadadean.weebly.com

Thank you
Randine


Hi, Randine,

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OpenOffice.org. And, sorry for the delay: we've been having a little 
problem with the mailing lists.


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about mailing lists.
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number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: Regarding : Contribution to your site by Technical Writing

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/8/2011 03:33, Jeyashree wrote:


Dear Sir/Madam,
I am a Test Specialist with 5.5 years of Experience in Information and
Technology. I am from India . I always wanted to become a Technical
Writer. I went through this article at
http://www.docsymmetry.com/technical-writing-jobs.html and found that I
could use my knowledge to make contributions to your site. As a Part of
my job, I do the following:
Analysing "Software Requirements Specification" and developing use cases
from them.
Developing "User Manuals" for Application/Hardware Product with Screen Shots
Developing Knowledge Artifacts that are based on projects that I work
Using Visio to develop Work flow Diagrams.
Request you to consider this application and give me an opportunity to
prove myself.
Kindly revert in case you need any clarifications
--
Thanks and Regards,
Gita Jeyashree V S


Hi, Gita Jeyashree,

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OpenOffice.org. And, sorry for the delay: we've been having a little 
problem with the mailing lists.


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number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: Contributing to OpenOffice.org

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/6/2011 20:17, James Bryski wrote:

Hello!  My name is James Bryski, I'm a recent graduate from Illinois State 
University who is looking to break into technical writing.  While I continue to 
search for a job, I was hoping to do some side work to keep my mind and skills 
fresh.  A friend of mine mentioned that you folks are always looking for 
assistance in documentation and sent me to the writing page on the website.  
How would I go about getting started with doing some work for you?  Thanks!

James--


Hi, James,

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OpenOffice.org. And, sorry for the delay: we've been having a little 
problem with the mailing lists.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: getting started

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/13/2011 17:08, Shawn Lindsey wrote:

Hi,
My name is Shawn and I am beginning a program for technical
communication. I would like to begin gaining some experience and
contributing to FAQs seems like a good place to start. What can I do to
help?

- Shawn


Hi, Shawn,

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You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: experience in writing Tutorials and User Guides

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/13/2011 09:39, Jacqueline Hall wrote:

Dear,
I'm interested in getting some experience in writing tutorials and/or
user guides and I wondered if there could be an opporunity with OpenOffice?
Please let me know what sort of tasks are available and how I might be
able to contribute. I'm a native English speaker.
Best,
Jacqueline


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OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
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number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: Participating in OpenOffice.org

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/13/2011 15:01, Lani wrote:

*

Good day,
I have one of your web pages open
[http://contributing.openoffice.org/writing.html]  and writing to
introduce myself. I am would like to see how I may offer assistance with
the 'User Guide for Open Office.org'
I have worked on many projects such as this, as proof/edit contributor.
I use OpenOffice.org suite but there is much still to learn and feel
this could also be an opportunity to become better acquainted with the
applications.
I also have an interest in teaching classes locally if this is
acceptable. I would like for others to appreciate a choice, outside of
the Microsoft umbrella.
thank you,
Lani Narducci
*


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number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: FAQ's Contributor

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On 12/1/2011 16:06, Griffin, Julie A wrote:

Dear Sir or Madam,
My name is Julie Griffin, and I am interrested in a profession as a
technical writer. A GOOGLE search lead me to an article called "How to
Get a Job in Technical Writing- A 7- Step Guide for Students",
accessed through this link:
http://idratherbewriting.com/2009/09/22/how-to-get-a-job-in-technical-writing-a-7-step-guide-for-students/.

One of the steps provided in the above mentioned article, is to gain
experience by contributing to orgaizations such as, "Open Office". As an
aspiring technical writer as well as a fan of the services that this
company provides to the public free of charge, I would be very grateful
for anything I can do to contribute.
Here is a little about myself: I graduated from the University of
Kentucky in 2008 with a B.A. in English. I would love to further my
craft as a writer, as well as find a practical way to apply my skills
while earning income.
Thank you for reading this, and I hope to hear from you soon!
Sincerily,
Julie Griffin


Hi, Julie,

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OpenOffice.org. And, sorry for the delay: we've been having a little 
problem with the mailing lists.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
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You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re:

[TJ Frazier]

On 11/29/2011 09:24, Hildha Bakulu Pandeirot wrote:

This is my id:

Hildha Bakulu Pandeirot

hildhabak...@gmail.com 

thanks


Hi, Hildha,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for 
OpenOffice.org.


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http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: look this please

[TJ Frazier]

On 11/28/2011 06:31, Rafael Forrer wrote:

Hello


This is a Link from a Faked OpenOffice Download Site, help us to
terminate this Site please

http://galleries.secure-softwaremanager.com/82449ac2b9/854191c9b511

Thanks

Rafael Forrer


I will forward this to the Apache dev list, where it should get the 
attention it requires.


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[documentation-dev] Re: Reg : Participation in User Guide

[TJ Frazier]

On 11/20/2011 15:19, ishita gupta wrote:

Hi,

My name is Ishita.I have 3 years of IT experience in software
development using JAVA J2EE.I have interest in technical writing and
want to participate in openOffice.org.

Please let me know about the opportunities.


Thanks,
Ishita Gupta


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OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.
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You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: Offer to Help Write User FAQs, HOW-Tos & User Guide

[TJ Frazier]

On 11/8/2011 19:03, emma lauder wrote:

Hi OpenOffice.org Team,

I would like to be a contributor for the FAQs, HOW-Tos and User Guide
areas of your site. I have experience creating online help guides, wiki
articles for my company, and training materials. I do aspire to get work
as a full time technical writer, and think this would be a great way to
both get more experience, and help you out.

I'm located in Vancouver BC, have a B.A. in Humanities, and a pet parakeet.

Let me know what I can do :)

Cheers, Emma


Hi, Emma,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for 
OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.
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You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: writing or typing to contribute to open office

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/31/2011 15:53, Tracy Allis wrote:

I would enjoy writing for open office and am able to type approximately 100 
wpm.  I formerly worked for three pathologists and also will provide you with 
my last writing course which I received a 4.0 at our local college.

Please let me know if you are interested in my assistance.

Thanks,

Tracy Allis
810-640-7705
6374 W Lake
Clio, MI 48420


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OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
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You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
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[documentation-dev] Re: Introduction

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/26/2011 10:05, Sheila Conway wrote:

I’m not sure if I will be able to help in any way as I only have
secretarial skills, but am happy to help with any inputting if this is
what is required.
Sheila Conway
smcon...@live.co.uk


Hi, Sheila,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for 
OpenOffice.org. Although we generally don't need any inputting, I do 
assure you that your skills will be welcome, especially as a newcomer.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists. Despite the page name, it will introduce you to the 
ODFAuthors site, where most of the documentation is done.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

If you have trouble accessing that page, there is a read-only test
copy on the Apache server (OOo is becoming ApacheOOo).
http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: FAQ Help

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On 10/24/2011 21:59, Steven Beech wrote:

I'd like to help by writing FAQs when I get the chance to.

Steven W. Beech swbe...@msn.com


Hi, Steven,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for 
OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

If you have trouble accessing that page, there is a read-only test
copy on the Apache server (OOo is becoming ApacheOOo).
http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
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[documentation-dev] Re: User FAQs

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/24/2011 15:01, Elissa Kaupisch wrote:

I am brand new to this site. I’m wanting to participate and also
download software. I have a writing background so I could possibly help
with User FAQs.

Having trouble finding out how to download OpenOffice. I go to the
Download tab and there’s no option there to download. Help?

ELISSA KAUPISCH

Asst. Director of Assessment

317.447.6039 (office)

317.501.6971 (mobile)

HARRISON COLLEGE

500 N. Meridian Street, Suite 500

Indianapolis, IN 46204-1213

www.harrison.edu


Hi, Elissa,

Sorry you're having download trouble; let me talk about that first.

When you click on the "I want to download" on the site's main page, you 
should see an expansion (colored green) which states what version the 
site thinks (it's really very clever) you should want. There's also 
another link to "Looking for a different version?", just in case.


Clicking on the first link should do two things: (1) take you to a 
"please donate" page (strictly optional!), and (2) start the download 
automatically. (Under Firefox, I get a "What do you want to do with this 
file?" message box. YMMV.) The last line on the page is a link that 
should start the download manually, if the automation fails. It's about 
180 MB, which takes about 4 minutes on my 10-Gbit cable service, with 
the Ff "Down Them All" add-in (or 8 /hours/ on a 50-Kbit dial-up!).


If you see anything greatly different, please write back.

There may be service interruptions, as OO.o moves to its new home under 
the Apache Software Foundation, on Apache servers.


Meanwhile, about documentation: Thank you for your interest in helping 
with user documentation for OpenOffice.org.


Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

If you have trouble accessing that page, there is a read-only test
copy on the Apache server (OOo is becoming ApacheOO).
http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

You may also wish to consider the LibreOffice Documentation team. A
number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
work in parallel on the LibreOffice project. More info here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development

To join the LO Docs mailing list: 
documentation+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org


If you decide you'd like to join one or both of these projects – welcome 
aboard!


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[documentation-dev] Re: openoffice user guide for students

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/17/2011 07:51, David Paenson wrote:

Dear colleagues,

I have been writing and updating a User Guide for the Students an our
university over the past three and half years and have now translated it
into English.

The English version is available at:

http://www.fb4.fh-frankfurt.de/tips/openoffice/dokumentation/ooo_for_students.pdf

The original document is also online:

http://www.fb4.fh-frankfurt.de/tips/openoffice/dokumentation/ooo_for_students.odt

I have been giving introductory courses in OpenOffice to all new
students of our department for Social Work at the University of Applied
Sciences in Frankfurt/Germany now for the past seven semesters - around
240 students per semester, divided into 12 groups. I only have 3 hours
per group, so I have to limit myself to the absolute essentials (styles,
table of contents, cross-references, page numbering etc.), but
especially those essentials students really need in their daily work. As
you can imagine, students of Social Work are not especially versed in
computers and it's all pretty new to them, especially in such a
condensed form. This introductory course addresses their needs as
closely as possible.

I think the course is now ripe enough to be distributed to a broader public.

I very much hope you find the time to have a look at it and to post the
course on the English speaking website of OpenOffice.org.

My next project is to translate it into French (just happen to have been
brought up in a bilingual family, no merit of mine).

Yours
David Paenson


Hi, David,

Thank you for your generous offer; it certainly sounds very useful.

Unfortunately, it is "moving day" (well, months and months) at OO.o, 
while we build our new home at Apache. We are currently an "Incubator 
podling" at the Apache Software Foundation.


I will take the liberty of forwarding yours and Jean's correspondence to 
ooo-...@incubator.apache.org, the ML where most of our business is 
currently done. When we get the revised web site up (Real Soon Now), we 
should be glad to post your links.

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[documentation-dev] Re: Contributing to OpenOffice.org as a Writer

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/14/2011 14:19, Sheila Johnson wrote:

Hello!

My name is Sheila, and I'm writing this to ask if you are currently
looking for any help writing the User Guide or User FAQs for
OpenOffice.org. I have a bachelor's degree in English as well as some
freelance writing experience, but I'd like to learn more by doing some
work that's closer to technical writing. Plus, I use the OpenOffice.org
Writer frequently, and I think that participating in the community that
created it could be interesting.

Thanks for your time.

Best wishes,
Sheila Johnson


Hi, Sheila,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for
OpenOffice.org.

Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

We have been experiencing some outages on the above wiki site. If you 
have trouble accessing the site, there is a read-only test copy on the 
Apache server. It is out-of-date as a whole, but the pages you need are 
current there.


http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

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[documentation-dev] Re: Interested in contributing

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/12/2011 05:17, John Sweet wrote:

Hello,

I am currently a student at USC looking for some technical writing
experience, and I would love to contribute to openoffice.org
.

Could you provide me with some information on how to get started?

Thank you,



John Sweet


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Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for
OpenOffice.org.

Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

We have been experiencing some outages on the above wiki site. If you 
have trouble accessing the site, there is a read-only test copy on the 
Apache server. It is out-of-date as a whole, but the pages you need are 
current there.


http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

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[documentation-dev] Re: I Would Like To Help!

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On 10/11/2011 04:27, marlenemc...@aol.com wrote:

Hello,
I would like to help any way I can. I was unable to open the 'Task List';
however, I am retired, have an in-home office equipped with a Computer with
High-Speed Internet, telephone, colored deskjet printer and have
plenty of free time on my hands.
Please feel free to contact me at 916-560-8769 or via email at
marlenemc...@aol.com .
Respectfully,
Marlene McDaniel


Hi, Marlene,

Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for
OpenOffice.org.

Please see this page for more information, particularly the section
about mailing lists.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

We have been experiencing some outages on the above wiki site. If you 
have trouble opening the site, there is a read-only test copy on the 
Apache server. It is out-of-date as a whole, but the pages you need are 
current there.


http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Introducing_OOoAuthors

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[documentation-dev] Re: User Guide

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/5/2011 22:12, Kathryn O'Donoghue wrote:

Hello:

My name is Kathryn O'Donoghue and I am a PhD candidate in English and a 
lecturer (English) at Queens College, CUNY. I would be interested in helping 
write a user guide.

Best,

Kathryn


Hi, Kathryn,

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OpenOffice.org.

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[documentation-dev] Re: User Guide (Writers)

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/4/2011 02:14, Camille Olivia wrote:

Hello All ~
My name is Camille Strate. I’ve been using OpenOffice for several years
and LOVE the program. As I am not in a financial position to make a
monetary donation, I thought it would be wonderful if I could offer my
writing talents/experience instead. I’d love to hear more about how I
might do just that. Please contact me at:
Camille Strate
therajaproj...@gmail.com 
(760)297-2833
Thank you!


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OpenOffice.org.

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[documentation-dev] Re: Letter of Interest - Contributions

[TJ Frazier]

On 10/3/2011 19:12, Scott Vickinovac wrote:

To whom it may concern,

My name is Scott Vickinovac and I would like to express my desire to
contribute to OpenOffice.org. I am eager to assist in the writing and
editing of any and all documents related to the software suite.  A bit
about my background; I'm a recent college graduate and possess a
Bachelors of Arts in English Literature.  Ultimately, I would like to
explore the field of technical writing.  As a well known office suite
with an open call for contributions, OpenOffice.org strikes me as the
perfect place to implement and refine my existing writing skills, as
well as a place to augment my portfolio.

OpenOffice was an essential tool for me during my tenure as an
undergraduate.  In a way, contributing would satisfy a desire to give
something back.  For many of my peers, OpenOffice held the promise of
a viable alternative to Microsoft Office but were turned away by some
of the unpleasant nuances inherent in earlier versions of the program.
  And with Google's invested efforts in their GoogleDocs platform, I
recognize that the competition in the productivity software market is
that much more fierce.  Although I have very negligible coding
experience, I am willing to put in the time in effort to assist in
writing the Developer Primer, as well as a comprehensive User Guide
and How-To's. Please let me know how I can be of the most assistance
to your ongoing development.

Sincerely,
Scott Vickinovac.


Hi, Scott,

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OpenOffice.org.

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about mailing lists.

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[documentation-dev] Re: Volunteer

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On 10/3/2011 08:43, mpg...@mta.ca wrote:

To whom it may concern,

My name is Mike Gerber. I'm from Riverview, New Brunswick, Canada.

I would like to participate in writing documentation for OpenOffice.org. I'm
hoping to acquire practical writing experience. Your site was recommended by
Docsymmetry.com.

I hope to hear from you.

Regards,

Mike Gerber


Hi, Mike,

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OpenOffice.org.

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[documentation-dev] Re: User guides

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On 8/13/2011 12:22, Mary Lockhart wrote:

Hi, I am a very exerienced user, with no real IT expertise. I have
introduced several people - mostly elderly to Open Office, and written
easy user instructions for them. Can I help?
Mary Lockhart


Hi, Mary,

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OpenOffice.org.

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[documentation-dev] Re: Writer Wanting to Help

[TJ Frazier]

On 9/28/2011 14:54, Aaron Steen wrote:

Hello,

My name is Aaron Steen. I've recently began using OpenOffice, and am
very impressed with it. I'm e-mailing because I'm an aspiring technical
writer, and I understand that one of the best ways to bolster my
candidacy is to get some hard experience. I'd thus like to contribute in
any way I can to the documentation aspect of OpenOffice. That is,
writing directions, or FAQs, etc. Is there anything that you think I
could be matched up with?

Thank you for your time.

--
Aaron Steen
Staff Writer, Goblin 
Editor, Arcade Fire News 


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[documentation-dev] Re: Writing

[TJ Frazier]

On 9/28/2011 04:35, Stuart Constable wrote:

I'd like to help with writing projects - I do it for a living anyway.

Actually, I'm still downloading the software and I suppose I might hate hate it.

But I bet I don't.

Let me know if I can help.

Regards

Stuart

Stuart Constable
sha...@zen.co.uk
01494 484314 / 07971 450162
www.shadja.co.uk


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[documentation-dev] Re: joining the User Guide team

[TJ Frazier]

Hi, David,
On 9/27/2011 12:04, David Nelson wrote:


A number of people involved in the Apache OpenOffice.org project also
work in parallel on the LibreOffice project. As such, I'm allowing
myself to speak up here.

In the LibreOffice Documentation project
(http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/documenters/) we have a
number of live and interesting work projects to offer you, that would
enable you to practice your expertise and gain Open Source experience
and kudos for your future career.

The LibreOffice Documentation project has excellent technical
facilities to practice and expand your team collaboration experience,
and we can liaise with you to define an interesting work project on
which you can work at your own pace with backup and advice from other
team members.

May I suggest that you consider joining our Documentation team mailing
list and come talk to us?

Subscribe to: documentation+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org

All the best,

FYI, most of the newcomers aren't subscribed to this list. You can tell 
the difference by whether the addressing on my answer shows a CC to 
their personal address (meaning they aren't subscribed). They won't see 
your answer unless you do likewise.


As moderator/owner of the doc-dev ML (/vice/ JHW), I let those mails 
post to the list, and send the boilerplate reply.


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[documentation-dev] Re: joining the User Guide team

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On 9/27/2011 10:42, Yana Mileva wrote:

Hello dear OpenOffice documentation gurus,

I am currently working on my PhD in Computer Science and have a rich experience 
in writing and presenting scientific work. You can find my publications on my 
personal page and my CV attached. I would like to collect some industry 
experience and improve my writing skills, as I am considering a career as a 
Technical Writer after I graduate.

If you think that, with my knowledge and experience, I could contribute to the 
project, please let me know.

Thank you in advance!

Best Wishes,
Yana Mileva
http://www.st.cs.uni-saarland.de/~mileva/


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Thank you for your interest in helping with user documentation for
OpenOffice.org.

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[documentation-dev] Re: Offer to help write documentation

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On 9/24/2011 00:16, Chita Yslas wrote:

Hello,
My name is Chita Yslas and I have been a software engineer for over 20
years now.  I enjoy what I do but after 20 years I am exploring a shift
in my career to include technical writing and am looking for ways to get
additional experience.

One of my strongest skills is English/writing, and I believe that I am
better at the written word than the spoken word.  Given my technical
background, I am also adept at combining my writing and computer skills
to put together easy-to-understand directions and documents.  In the
course of my job as a software engineer I have had
numerous opportunities to create or assist with user or technical
documentation.  Also as the editor of a monthly church newsletter for
4-5 years I helped overhaul it from MS Word to MS Publisher format,
greatly facilitating the monthly production of the newsletter.  I
consider it an enjoyable challenge to not only format documents in
eye-catching, yet easy-to-scan ways that lure people to read what I
wrote but to also read it as quickly and efficiently as possible.

I think technical writing may be right up my alley!  Do you have
anything I might work on for you?   If so, I would be happy to give it a
shot and you can see what you think of my work.

Have a great day and thanks for any assistance!
Chita Yslas


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[documentation-dev] Re: Techincal Writing

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On 9/20/2011 04:44, Kiranmayi Nallanchakravarthi wrote:

Dear Sir,
My name is N.C.Kiranmayi.  I am an experienced English Lecturer with
CELTA, M.Phil (Linguistics and Phonetics), M.A. (hons) (Linguisitcs and
Phonetics).
I published two papers in internationa journals and I presented papers
in international conferences in US, Malaysia, Singapore and Oman.
I also have experience in Medical Transcription and Voice Coaching.
I am attaching my CV for your perusal.
Looking forward to receiving positive reply.
Sincerely,
N.C.Kiranmayi


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[documentation-dev] Re: Aspiring technical writer wishes to contribute to OpenOffice.org

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On 9/12/2011 14:50, Generic Router wrote:

Hello,

My name is Robert Anderson. I am an engineering student and have used
open source software for a number of years.

I would like to gain technical writing experience and participate in a
free license project.

Please send me information on how I can get started.

Thank you.


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[documentation-dev] Re: Willing to Write

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On 9/10/2011 17:16, Robert Vieira wrote:

Open Office is great and I have written / edited manuals and books. Thanks,

Bob Vieira
Arieiv Editorial
arieiv...@aol.com
925.299.6707


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[documentation-dev] Re: PING Andy: Good work on inquiries

[TJ Frazier]

On 8/23/2011 12:34, Andy Brown wrote:

TJ Frazier wrote:

Thanks for stepping up and handling those new inquiries.

I have one question: do you have a way to know whether the poster is or
is not subscribed to the list? That is, whether to use "Reply" or "Reply
all"? I notice that you have done both.


Not knowing I try to do "Reply-all". If I miss one I then forward a copy
to the OP, which does not show up here on the list. The first couple I
only replied to the OP direct then though better of it in case someone
else was also trying to help.

I had ask Jean about it before doing it in case she had a better idea.

Andy

ps: How is the t-shirt?

Just asking, in case there was an easier way than looking for the 
"X-verified" header. Recently discovered how to reply-all in Tbird: 
right-click and choose that from context menu; "Reply" and "Reply list" 
buttons won't do it.


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[documentation-dev] PING Andy: Good work on inquiries

[TJ Frazier]

Thanks for stepping up and handling those new inquiries.

I have one question: do you have a way to know whether the poster is or 
is not subscribed to the list? That is, whether to use "Reply" or "Reply 
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[documentation-dev] Link rot

[TJ Frazier]

On page http://contributing.openoffice.org/programming.html
under item #5, there is a link to the Developers Guide (as a PDF) which 
is not only out-of-date ("page not found") but probably unwise.


I suggest a link to the wiki page
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Wiki_Books
but it, too, is somewhat out-of-date. It shows the "current release" as 3.2.
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[documentation-dev] BZ issue 20878 spammed [PING Clayton]

[TJ Frazier]

Clayton,

http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20878#c133

If user yiyigg has an account on the wiki, we might want to stop trouble 
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[documentation-dev] Using new {{Key}} template -- opinions requested

[TJ Frazier]

Hi, all,

IMHO, the output of the new {{Key}} wiki template[1] is light-years 
ahead of our convention for representing key-strokes (Ctrl+Shift+..., in 
text), in terms of instant reader comprehension, and for "pretty", too. 
The question is, do enough contributors agree, that we are willing to do 
the work to use it?


The template was contributed by our friends in the Russian-language 
section. The documentation is (so far) only in Russian. But notice that 
the function design is so elegant, and the documentation so well 
structured, that it is easy enough to figure out how to use it, just by 
"looking at the pictures".


The obvious target is the How-Tos and FAQs, where "instant 
understanding" is at a premium, and we expect less-sophisticated users.


If we decide to use this in the "Guides" section, we will need to extend 
the technology to Writer. This should be possible, since it is all done 
by character formatting, and all the special characters are in the Deja 
Vu fonts. Autotext? Macros? If the Writer entries are done in a uniform 
way, I can convert to the {{Key}} format in my Notes/Tips/Cautions 
clean-up code.


[1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Template:Key
For another example, see:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Wiki_Editing_Policy#List_of_Existing_Documentation_Templates
{{Key}} is the very last entry in that long table.

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Re: [documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

The non-display of accented (>127, which includes eszett) characters is 
a known problem in Opengrok:


 https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=437

According to the notes on bug 437, substantial improvement has been made 
as recently as 2010-03-30. The problem should go away, some day. If 
anyone can figure whose cage to rattle, and the fixed version is 
available, and someone will upgrade us to it, then the problem will go 
away sooner.


Meanwhile, beware of Opengrok representation of any files containing 
character codes greater than 127 (7F). They will be dropped from viewing.


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Re: [documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

Hi, Thomas,

On 7/12/2010 07:39, Thomas Lange - Oracle wrote:


Hi TJ,


I had one small problem: both the .src and the .sdf files showed the
string "grogegen" with the eszett entirely missing (no funny-looking
character). Fortunately, my German-speaking user caught and fixed that.
Assuming that the proper string is "großgegen", if this is not a known
problem in Opengrok, somebody should look into it. (The problem might be
in Firefox, but I doubt it.)


The string resources (and their localizations) are coded in UTF-8.

Sometimes Firefox autodetecion of the text encoding does not yield the
correct results. Everything should be fine when you select "View /
Character Encoding / Unicode (UTF-8)" in the menu of Firefox.


Thomas


Maybe everything should be fine after specifying UTF-8, but it's not.

The files themselves are fine, as verified by downloading and inspecting 
them with Writer.


Neither Ff 3.6.6 nor IE 8.0 will properly display the file:

http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20%28trunk%29/binfilter/bf_starmath/source/starmath_symbol.src

Both show all special characters omitted/deleted; even with Ff default 
set to UTF-8, Ff wants to load this file as "Western (ISO 8859-1)" and 
it is necessary to reset the UTF-8 setting (which causes a reload). 
However, the reload also is missing the special characters. This is not 
surprising, since the View > Page Source shows the strings are missing 
the characters involved; something has eaten them.


I think Ff is not guilty. That leaves Windows Vista, or OpenGrok & 
friends. Something about the site is explicitly telling Ff to use the 
Western setting. I will raise the problem over on the web-dev ML.


If any browser on any o/s displays the above URL correctly for you, I 
would love to hear about it.


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Re: [documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

On 7/12/2010 02:42, Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:


Hi TJ,



Thank you very much for your invaluable insights into the world of
localization. I found enough information to fix the German documentation
on the wiki (although "symbol.src" does not list German as a language;
French, Swedish, Italian...).

Other names are localized as well, notably "jota/JOTA". It will take me
a while to compose a note for the English version of the Math Guide /
Writer Guide (unless someone beats me to it) to the effect that these
symbols (Greek and Special) may be localized, but the file itself will
be coded in a universal format.


Nowadays the localization to those (and any other string resource) can
be found in the project l10n. There is a sub directory for each locle,
and in that one there is a single huge filed named localize.sdf.

Thus if you want to check on the German localization of the symbol names
in Math you have to load the file
 l10n\source\de\localize.sdf
And in that you need to locate the define from the symbol.src, that is
the RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES. There is one entry with that define for every
en-US entry listed in symbols.src:

starmath source\symbol.src 0 itemlist RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES 1 0 de alpha
starmath source\symbol.src 0 itemlist RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES 2 0 de ALPHA
starmath source\symbol.src 0 itemlist RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES 3 0 de beta
starmath source\symbol.src 0 itemlist RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES 4 0 de BETA
starmath source\symbol.src 0 itemlist RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES 5 0 de gamma
...
starmath source\symbol.src 0 itemlist RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES 5 0 de mu
starmath source\symbol.src 0 itemlist RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES 5 0 de MU
...

The order of course is the same as in symbol.src.


Thomas

Thank you for the extra effort. I can see how busy you are with 3.3, 
from the feature announcements.


Opengrok was able to find symbol.src (current trunk, no German), 
binfilter/symbol.src (with German), and the de/localize.sdf (huge) 
files. I used those to make the changes. You can see the results in the 
last two sections on the wiki page:


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Dokumentation/OOo_2.x/Handb%C3%BCcher/Writer-Handbuch/Math-Befehlsverzeichnis

I had one small problem: both the .src and the .sdf files showed the 
string "grogegen" with the eszett entirely missing (no funny-looking 
character). Fortunately, my German-speaking user caught and fixed that. 
Assuming that the proper string is "großgegen", if this is not a known 
problem in Opengrok, somebody should look into it. (The problem might be 
in Firefox, but I doubt it.)

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Re: [documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

Hi, Thomas,

On 7/9/2010 09:31, Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:


Hello again,



One possible problem: does %My work, or only %MY ("Y" upper-case), and
similarly for nu.
Since neither of us has a working German version, maybe Sigrid will be
kind enough to tell us.


The exact case as in symbol.src in RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES is required.

Also translation of those symbol names must follow a specific syntax
otherwise the result in the formula editor may not work.
The required naming scheme for those symbols is:

1) They must start with an alphabetic character
2) The following characters may be alphanumeric or a '.' (ASCII period)

This especially allows for
   - Alpha2
   - alpha.small, alpha.large, less.equal
   - use of non-western characters like Russioan, Greek, Japanese, ...
and it implicitly disallows
   - names containing white spaces
   - more than one word (those should be written as e.g.
 AbcDefg or abc.defg, ...)
   - the use of the _ character
 (that one is used as subscript symbol after all)


Minor correction about the English names used in the ODF file format:
The names used there (which a normal user will never see) are those
defined in RID_EXPORT_SYMBOL_NAMES in symbol.src (which just happen to
be the same as the en-US UI names listed in RID_UI_SYMBOL_NAMES).


Regards,
Thomas

Thank you very much for your invaluable insights into the world of 
localization. I found enough information to fix the German documentation 
on the wiki (although "symbol.src" does not list German as a language; 
French, Swedish, Italian...).


Other names are localized as well, notably "jota/JOTA". It will take me 
a while to compose a note for the English version of the Math Guide / 
Writer Guide (unless someone beats me to it) to the effect that these 
symbols (Greek and Special) may be localized, but the file itself will 
be coded in a universal format.


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Re: [documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

Yo, Sigrid :-) Hi, Nino,

On 7/9/2010 08:45, Nino Novak wrote:

On Friday 09 July 2010 14:09, TJ Frazier wrote:

On 7/9/2010 04:17, Nino Novak wrote:

On Tuesday 06 July 2010 18:25, TJ Frazier wrote:

On 7/6/2010 11:58, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

...
I changed it in the Wiki, and sent a mail to the Translator.


One quick question: where did you change something? The only German
version I found was for Writer, Version 2:


So I obviously forgot to save my changes :-(

But now they're in.

But the mentioned mail is still in the drafts folder!

Oh dear. Looking forward to better times.

One possible problem: does %My work, or only %MY ("Y" upper-case), and 
similarly for nu.
Since neither of us has a working German version, maybe Sigrid will be 
kind enough to tell us.

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Re: [documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

Hi, Nino,

On 7/9/2010 04:17, Nino Novak wrote:

Hi all,

On Tuesday 06 July 2010 18:25, TJ Frazier wrote:

On 7/6/2010 11:58, Sigrid Carrera wrote:


I'm not Nino, but I'm replying anyways.


Thanks, Sigrid (see below)


I just tested inserting µ with the Formula editor. Indeed, the user
is right - %mu doesn't work in the German version. You have to use
%my. Same is true for %nu and %ny.


What about "%[uU]psilon"?



I guess, we have to change the guide then. ;)


I changed it in the Wiki, and sent a mail to the Translator.

One quick question: where did you change something? The only German 
version I found was for Writer, Version 2:


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Dokumentation/OOo_2.x/Handb%C3%BCcher/Writer-Handbuch/Math-Befehlsverzeichnis#Griechische_Buchstaben

which is unchanged.

...
Thanks much for the confirmation. Yes, we will have to change the
guide, but we don't know what to say, yet. Either we need a caution
in the German version that there is an error, or a note in all
languages that these keywords may be localized.


IMHO, for the Guides it does not play a role why something is
implemented.

I suggest that it is important for the Guides to warn that their 
instructions may not apply to the user's particular version, and 
especially important to warn of changes to come (such as fixing an 
error). This means that the Guide writers have to do the homework, so 
that thousands of users don't have to.



I think the next step is to ask the localization folks whether this
is deliberate or accidental. If you know how to do that, please do;
otherwise, Nino will know. --/tj/


Thanks for your optimism ;-)

There are 3 obstacles:
I've got no working OOo3 installation ATM,
2nd, I've never been using Math and
3rd, my time is presently very very limited.


I can really sympathize with that... :-(


So maybe anybody else takes the lead, if not it has to wait (and might
be worth an issue)

Warm regards,
Nino


Many thanks for your efforts.
With great appreciation,
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Re: [documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

On 7/6/2010 11:58, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

Hi TJ,

I'm not Nino, but I'm replying anyways.

I just tested inserting µ with the Formula editor. Indeed, the user is
right - %mu doesn't work in the German version. You have to use %my.
Same is true for %nu and %ny.
I guess, we have to change the guide then. ;)

Sigrid


Hi, Sigrid,

Thanks much for the confirmation. Yes, we will have to change the guide, 
but we don't know what to say, yet. Either we need a caution in the 
German version that there is an error, or a note in all languages that 
these keywords may be localized.


I think the next step is to ask the localization folks whether this is 
deliberate or accidental. If you know how to do that, please do; 
otherwise, Nino will know. --/tj/


2010/7/6 TJ Frazier:

A user [1] wanted to change the math template documentation from %mu to %my
(and similar). He is using a German version of OO.o, and reports that %mu
doesn't work, but %my does.

According to the WG translation [2], it works the same (as %mu) in both
English and German.

Could you check it out under a German version?
1) Insert>  Object>  Formula
2) Type %mu (space or return afterward) into the bottom pane; the mu
character should appear in the document. If it doesn't, we have a problem.

[1]
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_talk:Spellbreaker#Why_.25my_.3F

[2]
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Dokumentation/OOo_2.x/Handb%C3%BCcher/Writer-Handbuch/Math-Befehlsverzeichnis
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[documentation-dev] [PING Nino] %mu in German

[TJ Frazier]

A user [1] wanted to change the math template documentation from %mu to 
%my (and similar). He is using a German version of OO.o, and reports 
that %mu doesn't work, but %my does.


According to the WG translation [2], it works the same (as %mu) in both 
English and German.


Could you check it out under a German version?
1) Insert > Object > Formula
2) Type %mu (space or return afterward) into the bottom pane; the mu 
character should appear in the document. If it doesn't, we have a problem.


[1] 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_talk:Spellbreaker#Why_.25my_.3F


[2] 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Dokumentation/OOo_2.x/Handb%C3%BCcher/Writer-Handbuch/Math-Befehlsverzeichnis

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Re: [documentation-dev] Downloadable HOW-TOs

[TJ Frazier]

On 3/4/2010 03:58, Clayton wrote:

On 03/04/2010 09:41 AM, Nino Novak wrote:

There is no "easy" one-click way to download any multi-page part of
any website or Wiki - at least not from within the website/Wiki
without some preparation.

The OooWiki uses Books for this, but someone has to create the Book -
they cannot (at this point) be auto-generated.


but it's definitely a nice-to-have feature for the documentation wiki to
have a mechanism which - say - automatically updates existing
"official" wikibooks each time one of the underlying documents is
changed, e.g. on a daily basis. Maybe it's doable with a
script/bot/cronjob already?


How would this work?

I've pondered this one quite a lot, wishing it could be totally
automated, and I haven't been able to come up with anything reliable or
practical that could manage the whole process.

The closest I've come to an idea for automating that would have a chance
to work is to parse the maintained TOC file, and convert it into a Book
file.

The TOC file is a known and maintained part of any Wiki Book.  The
syntax of both the TOC file and the Book file are known... and in theory
the TOC could be converted into a book via an external transform.

Simple Pseudocode:
   - Use the MW API to extract the XML for a given TOC
   - Parse the TOC XML and convert/transform it to Book XML
   - Use API to upload the Book XML

The transform is the challenge... it can be done using... Ant/XSLT/Saxon
for example.

C.
Something like that should work for creating books automagically, but it 
may need something more to keep them up-to-date. Would some process need 
to check the revision date on each page?


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Re: [documentation-dev] Fwd: OO helpfile

[TJ Frazier]

Hi,  Florian, Claire,

On 3/3/2010 04:59, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi Claire,

Claire Wood wrote on 2010-03-02 14.17:


Maybe Florian could look at that and give us feedback, as he is probably
a more frequent user of Base than me. I do think that some things for
Base and Calc which are written with novices/intermediate users,
actually expect the user to have had previous experience with similar
applications, which might not be the case.


oh, I'm sorry - I don't use Base at all, and the request came from a
third party. I just forwarded it to this list, because I thought it
might fit, and I pointed the sender to the archives and invited him to
subscribe to d...@doc :-)


On a slightly lighter note, which you might find hillarious - I
certainly did and I'm sure anyone else in the UK would find it equally
funny. They wanted me to get a form signed by OOo to say that I was a
volunteer. (You have to declare that you're working voluntarily and not
getting paid so that it doesn't affect your benefits while you're
searching for work.) I had to explain that it couldn't be done because
the person that would need to sign it was probably on the other side of
the world! It served to show that systems in this country need to be
dragged into the 21st century and account for people using the internet.


Hm, are they fine with an e-mail or a fax? I don't know you very well,
so I can't write anything, but if someone asks me for a reference, and I
know him from my work within OOo, I'm happy to write a few lines.
However, of course, no official organization stands behind that, so I
don't know if they would accept it.

Florian


This sounds like something the Council might want to handle, with a 
boilerplate letter, (assuming I have the facts straight) something like:


Subject: Unpaid volunteers

OO.o employs and pays no one. The few people who do get paid for their 
work here are employed by sponsoring companies, such as Oracle; those 
companies generously donate their employees' time to OO.o. All others 
are purely unpaid volunteers.


(This to go out over the chairman's signature, as email or fax.)
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Re: [documentation-dev] Fwd: Advice about where to start documenting API stuff

[TJ Frazier]

Hi, Claire,
What a marvelous job!

On 2/20/2010 18:29, Claire Wood wrote:

Hi Clayton

I had a go at the API/Calc document on the Documentation/Needs Rework
part of the wiki whilst the Oooauthors site was down tonight.

See the following link:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Calc/API/Programming

I corrected the grammar and some of the wording as you suggested but
as you can appreciate, as it has been some years since I documented
anything at API level, I may have used the wrong wording in some
places.  For example I have used the term "variable" which might not
make sense in the context that it has been used.

If someone can take a look at this page at some point and give me some
feedback, I'd be appreciative.

Kind regards

Claire


I looked at all your changes. You've really cleared out the underbrush; 
it's a big, big improvement.


To answer your specific question, "Object" and "Any" are /types/ so 
"type" might be clearer than "variable".


The big problem I see with this humongous page is that it should be 
broken into about five smaller ones, as a look at the TOC itself 
suggests. Maybe Intro + link farm + "See also" as the opening page, plus 
pages for "finding and inside a cell" (big page, here), "Cell Ranges", 
DevGuide translation, "Listeners", and "Graphics". I am putting this out 
for feedback; maybe somebody has objections, or a better idea.


Technical problem: I strongly suspect that those references to "SDK 1.1" 
should read something like, "SDK 3.2" now. However, I am totally 
unfamiliar with the Software Development Kit, as of yet.


Wiki tech: this page makes no use of the ... feature, for 
marking embedded words and phrases of code. (As a user, I find it very 
helpful. It also eliminates some quotation marks.) Because the editor is 
not equipped with the suitable button, I find it easier to copy the wiki 
text to a Writer document, where I have written the proper macro to 
handle the bracketing of a selected piece of text. I will do that, after 
the "breakup" question is decided; no rush.


Again, thanks for the good work!
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T. J. Frazier
Melbourne, FL

(TJFrazier on OO.o)


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