Apache OpenOffice @ T-DOSE

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use
and development of Free Software. During this event Free Software
projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. This
years event will be held on 26 and 27 October 2013 at the Fontys
University of Applied Science in Eindhoven.

http://www.t-dose.org/

This year Apache OpenOffice will be present at that nice event on both
days with a stand.

Mechtilde and Michael hope to meet and talk to some well known and some
unkown friends of Free Software and the Free Office Suite there.

Regards
Michael



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Re: Error installing an extension

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 10/19/13 9:21 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I received a confirmation, because of my help on offer:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_Packager#BasicAddonBuilder_and_AOO_4.x
> 
> When installing an S-extension occurs an error message.
> Can someone only based on the following error message saying what the problem 
> is?
> 
> The error-message is:
> 
> (com.sun.star.deployment.DeploymentException){{Message="An error occurred 
> while enabling: TestProgramMacro". Context = 
> (com.sun.star.unoXInterface) @bbe9010}, Cause = 
> (any){(com.sun.star.lang.IllegalArgumentException) {{Message = 
> "",Context=(com.sun.star.uno.XInterface) @0},ArgumentPosition=(short)0}}}
> 
> 

the error handling is far from good or optimal in this context. It's not
possible to identify the root cause for this highlevel exception.

But by the way I was able to install the extension version 0.5.1 from
the wiki page in AOO 4.0.1 on MacOS without problems.

Or do you mean that created extensions with the addon builder have this
problem?

Juergen

> 
> 
> Greetings,
> Jörg
> 
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Spec problems with nested dr3d:scene, for example: What is width and height of a 3D-scene?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

The element dr3d:scene has the attributes svg:width and svg:height in 
the ODF specification. What do they mean?


When I set a special width in AOO, I can see, that the picture of the 
3D-scene is stretched to the given width. That is the same behavior in 
AOO as with width on an OLE object.


But following the spec a dr3d:scene can have other dr3d:scene elements 
as child elements and I have no idea, what makes sense then.


Similar problem is with the attributes, which describe the camera. What 
is the sense of an own camera for an inner 3D-scene?


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: Error installing an extension

[Andre Fischer]

On 19.10.2013 09:21, Jörg Schmidt wrote:

Hello,

I received a confirmation, because of my help on offer:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_Packager#BasicAddonBuilder_and_AOO_4.x

When installing an S-extension occurs an error message.
Can someone only based on the following error message saying what the problem 
is?

The error-message is:

(com.sun.star.deployment.DeploymentException){{Message="An error occurred while 
enabling: TestProgramMacro". Context =
(com.sun.star.unoXInterface) @bbe9010}, Cause = 
(any){(com.sun.star.lang.IllegalArgumentException) {{Message =
"",Context=(com.sun.star.uno.XInterface) @0},ArgumentPosition=(short)0}}}


Sadly, the error messages of the extension manager are very unhelpful.   
I can only see that some UNO call was made that did error checking and 
detected that one of its arguments was invalid but did not bother to 
provide additional information (Message = "", Context =...@0,  the 
ArgumentPosition may or may not have been set to 0).


The missing diagnostics in this area is often a real obstacle.  We 
should try to improve it.


-Andre






Greetings,
Jörg



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Re: Error installing an extension

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 10/21/13 9:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 10/19/13 9:21 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I received a confirmation, because of my help on offer:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_Packager#BasicAddonBuilder_and_AOO_4.x
>>
>> When installing an S-extension occurs an error message.
>> Can someone only based on the following error message saying what the 
>> problem is?
>>
>> The error-message is:
>>
>> (com.sun.star.deployment.DeploymentException){{Message="An error occurred 
>> while enabling: TestProgramMacro". Context = 
>> (com.sun.star.unoXInterface) @bbe9010}, Cause = 
>> (any){(com.sun.star.lang.IllegalArgumentException) {{Message = 
>> "",Context=(com.sun.star.uno.XInterface) @0},ArgumentPosition=(short)0}}}
>>
>>
> 
> the error handling is far from good or optimal in this context. It's not
> possible to identify the root cause for this highlevel exception.
> 
> But by the way I was able to install the extension version 0.5.1 from
> the wiki page in AOO 4.0.1 on MacOS without problems.
> 
> Or do you mean that created extensions with the addon builder have this
> problem?

Ok I was to fast, the first start crashed my office, the second start at
least show me the dialog. But selecting a library freeze the whole office.

But in general I don't like the idea to install an extension which seems
to be an extension installer itself. Why not simply providing the 3
three libraries each as standalone extension. This way they can be easy
installed and uninstalled.


Juergen

> 
> Juergen
> 
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Jörg
>>
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Re: Error installing an extension

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] 

> the error handling is far from good or optimal in this 
> context. It's not
> possible to identify the root cause for this highlevel exception.
> 
> But by the way I was able to install the extension version 0.5.1 from
> the wiki page in AOO 4.0.1 on MacOS without problems.
> 
> Or do you mean that created extensions with the addon builder 
> have this
> problem?

Yes, that's the point.

I received a request to a user without more detailed information. I know it was 
not very promising, asking only because of the error message, but I have no 
further information.

(My hope was that someone still knows something, because I got help once 
before, in a similar situation of a SUN-programmer.)


Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: support! What support? You need a direct method!

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:51:06 -0500
kpure  wrote:

> 
> Your support does not work for me! You need a direct and personal 
> method of support such as I need now!
> 
> I have a problem with Open Office 4.0.1 AOO401m5(Build:9714) - Rev. 
> 1524958 2013-09-20 11:40:29 (Fr, 20 Sep 2013) on Windows & Enterprise 
> 32bit. I save pages and they seem to save, but they revert to an 
> earlier form of the page upon re opening! I have gone through posting 
> my problem and trying what is suggested in the support pages to 
> uninstall and reinstalls, resetting personal preferences, deleted old 
> versions and cash! Still have the same problem! I am to the point 
> where I am uninstalling it and will never use Apache again! You used 
> to be my only choice over Microsoft, but now I am reconsidering this! 
> All I ask for in a writer is that I can type, spell check and 
> grammar, cut and paste words pictures and Hypertext web sites. But, 
> most of all save my work so I do not have to do it over and over 
> again! I do not want or need all the rest! This problem of reverting 
> back to an earlier form is a problem from the early 1990s! I would 
> think you were more evolved as a program by now! I have tired your 
> methods, now lets us try another way, like for example, open desktop 
> with your support! Obviously I have a glitch, by a means of software, 
> conflict, corruption or that dreaded operator error, I do not know, 
> but it is real and we need this corrected and soon or I will have to 
> rightly assume it is a software problem and change programs!
>
 
This is almost certainly a configuration problem on your computer, particularly 
if it continues since the early 1990s. Have you some form of automated 
backup/restore or security program operating? It may be easiest for you to try 
an alternative, particularly as you say you only require a text editor. I'd 
suggest trying AbiWord.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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General ASF question

[Siva]

On  this site
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to know what are the
differences between

Projects and  Foundation
Projects.
( You may also suggest me
where to go for these types of
questions )

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time.
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Phone: 443-722-2543.
Fax: 425-696-9020.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice @ T-DOSE

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 10/21/13 9:27 AM, RA Stehmann wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to
> promote use and development of Free Software. During this event
> Free Software projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas
> and knowledge. This years event will be held on 26 and 27 October
> 2013 at the Fontys University of Applied Science in Eindhoven.
> 
> http://www.t-dose.org/
> 
> This year Apache OpenOffice will be present at that nice event on
> both days with a stand.
> 
> Mechtilde and Michael hope to meet and talk to some well known and
> some unkown friends of Free Software and the Free Office Suite
> there.

cool, you both are definitely our conference heros

Perfect

Juergen



> 
> Regards Michael
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Re: Error installing an extension

[Jörg Schmidt]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] 


> Ok I was to fast, the first start crashed my office, the 
> second start at
> least show me the dialog. But selecting a library freeze the 
> whole office.

You're telling me that there is a bug with version 0.5.1 on MacOS?

(I ask because you're the first person who reported it.)


For the moment:
Sorry, I can not do something immediately.
My problem is that I've actually made ​​just the compatibility of Basic Addon 
Builder 4.x AOO, but will now inundated with error messages the general error 
in Basic Addon Builder concern.

It is of course correct to report errors, but my time is very limited and the 
extension comes from Paolo and I just wanted to eliminate a single problem and 
can not accept the general support.

I will do my best, also because I know that Paolo currently does not have time, 
but my time is limited.


> But in general I don't like the idea to install an extension 
> which seems
> to be an extension installer itself. 

Although I know what is translated into German, but what content you mean I do 
not understand.

> Why not simply providing the 3
> three libraries each as standalone extension. This way they 
> can be easy
> installed and uninstalled.

Sorry, I do not understand what is a "standalone extension"?



Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: support! What support? You need a direct method!

[Vladislav Stevanovic]

Have you problem with all Writters files or only for old one?


Regards,
Wlada


2013/10/21 Rory O'Farrell 

> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:51:06 -0500
> kpure  wrote:
>
> >
> > Your support does not work for me! You need a direct and personal
> > method of support such as I need now!
> >
> > I have a problem with Open Office 4.0.1 AOO401m5(Build:9714) - Rev.
> > 1524958 2013-09-20 11:40:29 (Fr, 20 Sep 2013) on Windows & Enterprise
> > 32bit. I save pages and they seem to save, but they revert to an
> > earlier form of the page upon re opening! I have gone through posting
> > my problem and trying what is suggested in the support pages to
> > uninstall and reinstalls, resetting personal preferences, deleted old
> > versions and cash! Still have the same problem! I am to the point
> > where I am uninstalling it and will never use Apache again! You used
> > to be my only choice over Microsoft, but now I am reconsidering this!
> > All I ask for in a writer is that I can type, spell check and
> > grammar, cut and paste words pictures and Hypertext web sites. But,
> > most of all save my work so I do not have to do it over and over
> > again! I do not want or need all the rest! This problem of reverting
> > back to an earlier form is a problem from the early 1990s! I would
> > think you were more evolved as a program by now! I have tired your
> > methods, now lets us try another way, like for example, open desktop
> > with your support! Obviously I have a glitch, by a means of software,
> > conflict, corruption or that dreaded operator error, I do not know,
> > but it is real and we need this corrected and soon or I will have to
> > rightly assume it is a software problem and change programs!
> >
>
> This is almost certainly a configuration problem on your computer,
> particularly if it continues since the early 1990s. Have you some form of
> automated backup/restore or security program operating? It may be easiest
> for you to try an alternative, particularly as you say you only require a
> text editor. I'd suggest trying AbiWord.
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell 
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Re: Error installing an extension

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 10/21/13 10:12 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>  
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] 
> 
> 
>> Ok I was to fast, the first start crashed my office, the 
>> second start at
>> least show me the dialog. But selecting a library freeze the 
>> whole office.
> 
> You're telling me that there is a bug with version 0.5.1 on MacOS?
> 
> (I ask because you're the first person who reported it.)
> 
> 
> For the moment:
> Sorry, I can not do something immediately.
> My problem is that I've actually made ​​just the compatibility of Basic Addon 
> Builder 4.x AOO, but will now inundated with error messages the general error 
> in Basic Addon Builder concern.
> 
> It is of course correct to report errors, but my time is very limited and the 
> extension comes from Paolo and I just wanted to eliminate a single problem 
> and can not accept the general support.
> 
> I will do my best, also because I know that Paolo currently does not have 
> time, but my time is limited.

no problem to me I don't really use this, I tried it only for verification

> 
> 
>> But in general I don't like the idea to install an extension 
>> which seems
>> to be an extension installer itself. 
> 
> Although I know what is translated into German, but what content you mean I 
> do not understand.

I click on the one and only button and a dialog comes up that looks like
an installer window. I am offered to install Basic libraries ...

> 
>> Why not simply providing the 3
>> three libraries each as standalone extension. This way they 
>> can be easy
>> installed and uninstalled.
> 
> Sorry, I do not understand what is a "standalone extension"?

put each of the 3 libraries in a separate oxt package or simply install
all 3 in one step but without this additional dialog.

But again no need to discuss this here in detail. It's an external
developed extension and the design decision is up to the owner.

Juergen




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Re: [proposal] replace build.pl with a central Makefile.

[Andre Fischer]

On 18.10.2013 19:54, janI wrote:

On 18 October 2013 16:52, Andre Fischer  wrote:


On 18.10.2013 15:58, janI wrote:


On 18 October 2013 15:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:

  On 18.10.2013 14:02, janI wrote:

  sd


On 18 October 2013 13:36, Andre Fischer  wrote:

   On 18.10.2013 11:32, janI wrote:


   Hi.


due to the discussion in thread "Mentor a new build system", I have
made a
proposal for a central Makefile located in main.

   Hi Jan,


it is great that you are going to improve this part of the build
system.
But I think that we need more details about how the proposed build
system
works.  Without them I can not really evaluate the proposal.

   First of all, I agree with juergens remarks that this should be


discussed
before implemented, hence the wiki page.

Secondly this has nothing directly to do with the proposed build system,
its a simple replacement of build.pl in the current system.

  Yes, that is how I understood it.  I just did not know how to call the

build.pl replacement.



  I know that build.pl works, but having a Makefile in main, would make

us
one step closer on being compatible with the distros. To me this job is
a
simple cleanup, not something we deadly need, but nice to have.


   Some remarks regarding the missing options:


--from 
  This is one of the more important options and one that I use
frequently
(also in the form --all:).
  Note that if you are in  and call 'make --from '
then
all modules are built
  a) which  depends on
  b) but not those that  depends on
  c) Both  and  are built.

   I have changed the documentation.


I use the --all: myself very often, and have changed the
documentation, because it is of course supported.

The difference is that you do the call in main, but that is a minor
detail
that can be easily corrected (have /Makefile calling
main/Makefile.

I have also changed documentation on --html due to juergens comments.

  I am not sure that we understand --from and --since in the same way so

I
will try to explain what I think they do.

Let's imagine that we have a simple project with modules A, B, C, D and
E.
where B depends on A, C on B, D on C, and E on D.
A ' make all' would mean 'make E'.  The dependencies would then lead to
building modules A, B, C, D, E in this order.
If I am in E and call 'make --from C' then only C, D, and E should be
built.  A 'make --since C' would only build D and E.

If I am in D and call 'make --from B' then modules B, C, and D are built.
   Call 'make --since B' to build only C and D.
Note that 'make --from' accepts more than one module name (while 'make
--all:' does not).
Note also that in the above case (stand in D, call 'make --from B')
module
A is not built, regardless of whether there are changes in A or not.
   Whereas a simple call to make (still standing in D) would build all
modules that D depends on, directly or indirectly.  Thus the options
'--from' and '--since' exist to actively exclude modules from being
built.

The whole thing becomes a little bit more complicated with multiple
options to '--from' (I never use '--since' and also don't know a valid
use
case so I will ignore it for now) and more complex dependencies then in
the
simple example above.  Let's say that if we stand in instsetoo_native and
call 'make --from svx sfx2'.  Note that svx depends on sfx2.  This would
build svx, sfx2 and all modules that depend (directly or indirectly) on
svx
OR sfx2.

  got it, now I just have one problem, why would you not build the

dependent
modules, if they needed to be built, thats a scenario I dont understand.
With a central makefile, /makefile will not be called so we do not
waste cpu cycles.

With the .done files, we know when a module was last built and all modules
that depend it should be rebuilt which the rule
.done : .done

will ensure, so If we have A -> B -> C -> D

I go in B, and call make, then when I go in D and make, B,C,D will be
made.

If we have A -> B -> D   C -> D
and do the same then only D will be made.

So --from is not really saving anything ?


a) In your example you first go into B then, in a second step, into D.
  The '--from' option lets you do the same (well, not really the same, but
see below) just from D.

b) You go first to B and call make.  This makes A, if necessary, then B.
  The making of A is exactly the thing that you want to prevent with the
'--from' option.  Go into D and call 'make --from B'.  A is not built.


Actually I go to main and say "make D", that will cause B but not A to be
built.


I guess that calling 'make D' from main/ would be equivalent to call it 
from instsetoo_native/.  But the --from option also works from inside 
other directories.  It can then be used to build a 'range' of modules, 
ie. go into module Y/ and call 'make --from X' and all modules from X/ 
to Y/ will be built.  A real life example for using this method could be:


1. Make some changes to documentation but not code in sfx2/.
2. Make some changes in svx/.
3. Then go 

Re: [proposal] replace build.pl with a central Makefile.

[Andre Fischer]

On 20.10.2013 12:40, janI wrote:

On 19 October 2013 19:20, Kay Schenk  wrote:


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Andre Fischer  wrote:


On 18.10.2013 15:58, janI wrote:


On 18 October 2013 15:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:

  On 18.10.2013 14:02, janI wrote:

  sd


On 18 October 2013 13:36, Andre Fischer  wrote:

   On 18.10.2013 11:32, janI wrote:


   Hi.


due to the discussion in thread "Mentor a new build system", I have
made a
proposal for a central Makefile located in main.

   Hi Jan,


it is great that you are going to improve this part of the build
system.
But I think that we need more details about how the proposed build
system
works.  Without them I can not really evaluate the proposal.

   First of all, I agree with juergens remarks that this should be


discussed
before implemented, hence the wiki page.

Secondly this has nothing directly to do with the proposed build

system,

its a simple replacement of build.pl in the current system.

  Yes, that is how I understood it.  I just did not know how to call

the

build.pl replacement.



  I know that build.pl works, but having a Makefile in main, would make

us
one step closer on being compatible with the distros. To me this job

is

a
simple cleanup, not something we deadly need, but nice to have.


   Some remarks regarding the missing options:


--from 
  This is one of the more important options and one that I use
frequently
(also in the form --all:).
  Note that if you are in  and call 'make --from

'

then
all modules are built
  a) which  depends on
  b) but not those that  depends on
  c) Both  and  are built.

   I have changed the documentation.


I use the --all: myself very often, and have changed the
documentation, because it is of course supported.

The difference is that you do the call in main, but that is a minor
detail
that can be easily corrected (have /Makefile calling
main/Makefile.

I have also changed documentation on --html due to juergens comments.

  I am not sure that we understand --from and --since in the same way

so

I
will try to explain what I think they do.

Let's imagine that we have a simple project with modules A, B, C, D and
E.
where B depends on A, C on B, D on C, and E on D.
A ' make all' would mean 'make E'.  The dependencies would then lead to
building modules A, B, C, D, E in this order.
If I am in E and call 'make --from C' then only C, D, and E should be
built.  A 'make --since C' would only build D and E.

If I am in D and call 'make --from B' then modules B, C, and D are

built.

   Call 'make --since B' to build only C and D.
Note that 'make --from' accepts more than one module name (while 'make
--all:' does not).
Note also that in the above case (stand in D, call 'make --from B')
module
A is not built, regardless of whether there are changes in A or not.
   Whereas a simple call to make (still standing in D) would build all
modules that D depends on, directly or indirectly.  Thus the options
'--from' and '--since' exist to actively exclude modules from being
built.

The whole thing becomes a little bit more complicated with multiple
options to '--from' (I never use '--since' and also don't know a valid
use
case so I will ignore it for now) and more complex dependencies then in
the
simple example above.  Let's say that if we stand in instsetoo_native

and

call 'make --from svx sfx2'.  Note that svx depends on sfx2.  This

would

build svx, sfx2 and all modules that depend (directly or indirectly) on
svx
OR sfx2.

  got it, now I just have one problem, why would you not build the

dependent
modules, if they needed to be built, thats a scenario I dont understand.
With a central makefile, /makefile will not be called so we do

not

waste cpu cycles.

With the .done files, we know when a module was last built and all

modules

that depend it should be rebuilt which the rule
.done : .done

will ensure, so If we have A -> B -> C -> D

I go in B, and call make, then when I go in D and make, B,C,D will be
made.

If we have A -> B -> D   C -> D
and do the same then only D will be made.

So --from is not really saving anything ?


a) In your example you first go into B then, in a second step, into D.
  The '--from' option lets you do the same (well, not really the same, but
see below) just from D.

b) You go first to B and call make.  This makes A, if necessary, then B.
  The making of A is exactly the thing that you want to prevent with the
'--from' option.  Go into D and call 'make --from B'.  A is not built.

c) After the discussion with you I am not sure if we still need --from
because the two reasons I know for its existence my not be relevant with
the new approach.

c1) With the '--from' option you can tweak the dependency rules at

runtime

(a bit).  This allows you to exclude projects from being built when you
know that that is not necessary.  But from experience I know that can

lead

to very subtle errors.  Letting the system determine what to built is
usually more reliab

Re: Error installing an extension

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] 

> >> But in general I don't like the idea to install an extension 
> >> which seems
> >> to be an extension installer itself. 
> > 
> > Although I know what is translated into German, but what 
> content you mean I do not understand.
> 
> I click on the one and only button and a dialog comes up that 
> looks like
> an installer window. I am offered to install Basic libraries ...

OK, that may be your observation, but please judge objectively, a _typical_ 
install-dialog has left an image and not a step control.

> >> Why not simply providing the 3
> >> three libraries each as standalone extension. This way they 
> >> can be easy
> >> installed and uninstalled.
> > 
> > Sorry, I do not understand what is a "standalone extension"?
> 
> put each of the 3 libraries in a separate oxt package or 
> simply install
> all 3 in one step but without this additional dialog.

I am confused, _which 3_ libraries? (BasicAddonBuilder itself has only one 
library)

Please note: I will not argue, I just do not understand what you mean.

> But again no need to discuss this here in detail. It's an external
> developed extension and the design decision is up to the owner.

Yes, I understand that.
I myself had already discussed with Paolo I did not like about other things, 
but not because we arrived at the same opinion I respected that it is his 
extension and he has the right to determine these things.


Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: [proposal] replace build.pl with a central Makefile.

[janI]

On 21 October 2013 10:50, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 18.10.2013 19:54, janI wrote:
>
>> On 18 October 2013 16:52, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>>
>>  On 18.10.2013 15:58, janI wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 18 October 2013 15:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:

   On 18.10.2013 14:02, janI wrote:

>   sd
>
>>
>> On 18 October 2013 13:36, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>>
>>On 18.10.2013 11:32, janI wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>>
>>>  due to the discussion in thread "Mentor a new build system", I have
 made a
 proposal for a central Makefile located in main.

Hi Jan,

  it is great that you are going to improve this part of the build
>>> system.
>>> But I think that we need more details about how the proposed
>>> build
>>> system
>>> works.  Without them I can not really evaluate the proposal.
>>>
>>>First of all, I agree with juergens remarks that this should be
>>>
>>>  discussed
>> before implemented, hence the wiki page.
>>
>> Secondly this has nothing directly to do with the proposed build
>> system,
>> its a simple replacement of build.pl in the current system.
>>
>>   Yes, that is how I understood it.  I just did not know how to call
>> the
>>
> build.pl replacement.
>
>
>
>   I know that build.pl works, but having a Makefile in main, would
> make
>
>> us
>> one step closer on being compatible with the distros. To me this job
>> is
>> a
>> simple cleanup, not something we deadly need, but nice to have.
>>
>>
>>Some remarks regarding the missing options:
>>
>>  --from 
>>>   This is one of the more important options and one that I use
>>> frequently
>>> (also in the form --all:).
>>>   Note that if you are in  and call 'make --from
>>> '
>>> then
>>> all modules are built
>>>   a) which  depends on
>>>   b) but not those that  depends on
>>>   c) Both  and  are built.
>>>
>>>I have changed the documentation.
>>>
>>>  I use the --all: myself very often, and have changed the
>> documentation, because it is of course supported.
>>
>> The difference is that you do the call in main, but that is a minor
>> detail
>> that can be easily corrected (have /Makefile calling
>> main/Makefile.
>>
>> I have also changed documentation on --html due to juergens comments.
>>
>>   I am not sure that we understand --from and --since in the same way
>> so
>>
> I
> will try to explain what I think they do.
>
> Let's imagine that we have a simple project with modules A, B, C, D and
> E.
> where B depends on A, C on B, D on C, and E on D.
> A ' make all' would mean 'make E'.  The dependencies would then lead to
> building modules A, B, C, D, E in this order.
> If I am in E and call 'make --from C' then only C, D, and E should be
> built.  A 'make --since C' would only build D and E.
>
> If I am in D and call 'make --from B' then modules B, C, and D are
> built.
>Call 'make --since B' to build only C and D.
> Note that 'make --from' accepts more than one module name (while 'make
> --all:' does not).
> Note also that in the above case (stand in D, call 'make --from B')
> module
> A is not built, regardless of whether there are changes in A or not.
>Whereas a simple call to make (still standing in D) would build all
> modules that D depends on, directly or indirectly.  Thus the options
> '--from' and '--since' exist to actively exclude modules from being
> built.
>
> The whole thing becomes a little bit more complicated with multiple
> options to '--from' (I never use '--since' and also don't know a valid
> use
> case so I will ignore it for now) and more complex dependencies then in
> the
> simple example above.  Let's say that if we stand in instsetoo_native
> and
> call 'make --from svx sfx2'.  Note that svx depends on sfx2.  This
> would
> build svx, sfx2 and all modules that depend (directly or indirectly) on
> svx
> OR sfx2.
>
>   got it, now I just have one problem, why would you not build the
>
 dependent
 modules, if they needed to be built, thats a scenario I dont understand.
 With a central makefile, /makefile will not be called so we do
 not
 waste cpu cycles.

 With the .done files, we know when a module was last built and all
 modules
 that depend it should be rebuilt which the rule
 .done : .done

 will ensure, so If we have A -> B -> C -> D

 I go in B, and call make, then when I go in D and make, B,C,D will be
 made.

 If we have A -> B -> D   C -> D
 and do the same then only D will be made.

 So --from is not really saving anythin

Re: [proposal] replace build.pl with a central Makefile.

[janI]

On 21 October 2013 10:58, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 20.10.2013 12:40, janI wrote:
>
>> On 19 October 2013 19:20, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>
>>  On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Andre Fischer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 18.10.2013 15:58, janI wrote:

  On 18 October 2013 15:00, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>
>   On 18.10.2013 14:02, janI wrote:
>
>>   sd
>>
>>>
>>> On 18 October 2013 13:36, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>>>
>>>On 18.10.2013 11:32, janI wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi.

  due to the discussion in thread "Mentor a new build system", I have
> made a
> proposal for a central Makefile located in main.
>
>Hi Jan,
>
>  it is great that you are going to improve this part of the build
 system.
 But I think that we need more details about how the proposed
 build
 system
 works.  Without them I can not really evaluate the proposal.

First of all, I agree with juergens remarks that this should be

  discussed
>>> before implemented, hence the wiki page.
>>>
>>> Secondly this has nothing directly to do with the proposed build
>>>
>> system,
>>>
 its a simple replacement of build.pl in the current system.
>>>
>>>   Yes, that is how I understood it.  I just did not know how to call
>>>
>> the
>>>
 build.pl replacement.
>>
>>
>>
>>   I know that build.pl works, but having a Makefile in main, would
>> make
>>
>>> us
>>> one step closer on being compatible with the distros. To me this job
>>>
>> is
>>>
 a
>>> simple cleanup, not something we deadly need, but nice to have.
>>>
>>>
>>>Some remarks regarding the missing options:
>>>
>>>  --from 
   This is one of the more important options and one that I use
 frequently
 (also in the form --all:).
   Note that if you are in  and call 'make --from

>>> '
>>>
 then
 all modules are built
   a) which  depends on
   b) but not those that  depends on
   c) Both  and  are built.

I have changed the documentation.

  I use the --all: myself very often, and have changed the
>>> documentation, because it is of course supported.
>>>
>>> The difference is that you do the call in main, but that is a minor
>>> detail
>>> that can be easily corrected (have /Makefile calling
>>> main/Makefile.
>>>
>>> I have also changed documentation on --html due to juergens comments.
>>>
>>>   I am not sure that we understand --from and --since in the same way
>>>
>> so
>>>
 I
>> will try to explain what I think they do.
>>
>> Let's imagine that we have a simple project with modules A, B, C, D
>> and
>> E.
>> where B depends on A, C on B, D on C, and E on D.
>> A ' make all' would mean 'make E'.  The dependencies would then lead
>> to
>> building modules A, B, C, D, E in this order.
>> If I am in E and call 'make --from C' then only C, D, and E should be
>> built.  A 'make --since C' would only build D and E.
>>
>> If I am in D and call 'make --from B' then modules B, C, and D are
>>
> built.
>>>
Call 'make --since B' to build only C and D.
>> Note that 'make --from' accepts more than one module name (while 'make
>> --all:' does not).
>> Note also that in the above case (stand in D, call 'make --from B')
>> module
>> A is not built, regardless of whether there are changes in A or not.
>>Whereas a simple call to make (still standing in D) would build all
>> modules that D depends on, directly or indirectly.  Thus the options
>> '--from' and '--since' exist to actively exclude modules from being
>> built.
>>
>> The whole thing becomes a little bit more complicated with multiple
>> options to '--from' (I never use '--since' and also don't know a valid
>> use
>> case so I will ignore it for now) and more complex dependencies then
>> in
>> the
>> simple example above.  Let's say that if we stand in instsetoo_native
>>
> and
>>>
 call 'make --from svx sfx2'.  Note that svx depends on sfx2.  This
>>
> would
>>>
 build svx, sfx2 and all modules that depend (directly or indirectly) on
>> svx
>> OR sfx2.
>>
>>   got it, now I just have one problem, why would you not build the
>>
> dependent
> modules, if they needed to be built, thats a scenario I dont
> understand.
> With a central makefile, /makefile will not be called so we do
>
 not
>>>
 waste cpu cycles.
>
> With the .done files, we know when a module was last built and all
>
 modules
>>>
 that depend it should be rebuilt which the rule
> .done :

Re: General ASF question

[Andrea Pescetti]

Siva wrote:

On  this site http://apache.org/   , I wish
to know what are the differences between
Projects and  Foundation Projects.


You mean the page footer, I assume. "Projects" are software projects, 
like Apache OpenOffice and the Apache Web (HTTPD) Server. "Foundation 
Projects" are internal organization-wide structures (conference 
organization, legal affairs, apache.org servers infrastructure).



( You may also suggest me where to go for these types of
questions )


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Re: General ASF question

[Siva]

Which means we can only
contribute to " Projects " but
not " Foundation Projects"
Is that so ? ( I am not able
to understand what is
"internal" for apache )

> On October 21, 2013 at 6:51
> AM Andrea Pescetti
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Siva wrote:
> > On  this site
> > http://apache.org/   , I
> > wish
> > to know what are the
> > differences between
> > Projects and  Foundation
> > Projects.
> 
> You mean the page footer, I
> assume. "Projects" are
> software projects,
> like Apache OpenOffice and
> the Apache Web (HTTPD)
> Server. "Foundation
> Projects" are internal
> organization-wide structures
> (conference
> organization, legal affairs,
> apache.org servers
> infrastructure).
> 
> > ( You may also suggest me
> > where to go for these
> > types of
> > questions )
> 
> Answers to frequently asked
> questions are at
> http://apache.org/foundation/faq.html
> Generic community inquiries
> can be sent to the
> dev@community list:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/
> 
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Meaning of dr3d:distance and dr3d:focal-length

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

I'm try to understand the 3D-scenes and come across the attributes 
dr3d:distance and dr3d:focal-length. They correspond directly to the 
properties fields in the "3D Effects" dialog.


I find a lot of descriptions for 3D-graphics modelling using VRP, VPN, 
VUP, "Projection Reference Point", "Direction of Projection" for 
parallel, "Center of Projection" for perspective, "Center of Window", 
and "Viewing Reference Coordinate System". But I cannot map these terms 
to "distance" and "focal-length". Because there are no lens and there is 
nothing like "out of focus" in the 3D-scenes, I do not realize how the 
terms are defined.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: General ASF question

[janI]

On 21 October 2013 12:59, Siva  wrote:

> Which means we can only
> contribute to " Projects " but
> not " Foundation Projects"
> Is that so ? ( I am not able
> to understand what is
> "internal" for apache )
>

"internal" are projects, that do not deliver a product in form of releases
available to people/organisations outside ASF. E.g. legal affairs give
advice to all projects, Infrastructure maintain our server farms.

You can contribute to both projects and foundation projects. f.x. I am
committer here in AOO and Infra.

rgds
jan I.


>
> > On October 21, 2013 at 6:51
> > AM Andrea Pescetti
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Siva wrote:
> > > On  this site
> > > http://apache.org/   , I
> > > wish
> > > to know what are the
> > > differences between
> > > Projects and  Foundation
> > > Projects.
> >
> > You mean the page footer, I
> > assume. "Projects" are
> > software projects,
> > like Apache OpenOffice and
> > the Apache Web (HTTPD)
> > Server. "Foundation
> > Projects" are internal
> > organization-wide structures
> > (conference
> > organization, legal affairs,
> > apache.org servers
> > infrastructure).
> >
> > > ( You may also suggest me
> > > where to go for these
> > > types of
> > > questions )
> >
> > Answers to frequently asked
> > questions are at
> > http://apache.org/foundation/faq.html
> > Generic community inquiries
> > can be sent to the
> > dev@community list:
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/
> >
> > Regards,
> >Andrea.
> >
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Re: support! What support? You need a direct method!

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:51:06 -0500
> kpure  wrote:
>
>>
>> Your support does not work for me! You need a direct and personal
>> method of support such as I need now!
>>
>> I have a problem with Open Office 4.0.1 AOO401m5(Build:9714) - Rev.
>> 1524958 2013-09-20 11:40:29 (Fr, 20 Sep 2013) on Windows & Enterprise
>> 32bit. I save pages and they seem to save, but they revert to an
>> earlier form of the page upon re opening! I have gone through posting
>> my problem and trying what is suggested in the support pages to
>> uninstall and reinstalls, resetting personal preferences, deleted old
>> versions and cash! Still have the same problem! I am to the point
>> where I am uninstalling it and will never use Apache again! You used
>> to be my only choice over Microsoft, but now I am reconsidering this!
>> All I ask for in a writer is that I can type, spell check and
>> grammar, cut and paste words pictures and Hypertext web sites. But,
>> most of all save my work so I do not have to do it over and over
>> again! I do not want or need all the rest! This problem of reverting
>> back to an earlier form is a problem from the early 1990s! I would
>> think you were more evolved as a program by now! I have tired your
>> methods, now lets us try another way, like for example, open desktop
>> with your support! Obviously I have a glitch, by a means of software,
>> conflict, corruption or that dreaded operator error, I do not know,
>> but it is real and we need this corrected and soon or I will have to
>> rightly assume it is a software problem and change programs!
>>
>
> This is almost certainly a configuration problem on your computer, 
> particularly if it continues since the early 1990s. Have you some form of 
> automated backup/restore or security program operating? It may be easiest for 
> you to try an alternative, particularly as you say you only require a text 
> editor. I'd suggest trying AbiWord.
>

I've never seen a configuration problem that caused the behavior reported:

"I save pages and they seem to save, but they revert to an earlier
form of the page upon re opening!"

However, I could see a user being confused by how we deal with DOCX
files.  Imagine this scenario:

1) User opens foo.docx file and edits it.

2) User saves document, but since we don't support DOCX for writing,
we actually write out foo.odt.

3) User does not know that the file has been renamed.  So when they go
to re-load the document again the next day they load the
original/unchanged foo.docx and wonder where there changes went!

I wonder if this could be happening?

-Rob


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Re: General ASF question

[Siva]

This is good.
Thank you very much.
(picture is worth thousand
words & conversation is worth
thousand searches)

> On October 21, 2013 at 7:02
> AM janI 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 21 October 2013 12:59,
> Siva
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Which means we can only
> > contribute to " Projects "
> > but
> > not " Foundation Projects"
> > Is that so ? ( I am not
> > able
> > to understand what is
> > "internal" for apache )
> >
> 
> "internal" are projects,
> that do not deliver a
> product in form of releases
> available to
> people/organisations outside
> ASF. E.g. legal affairs give
> advice to all projects,
> Infrastructure maintain our
> server farms.
> 
> You can contribute to both
> projects and foundation
> projects. f.x. I am
> committer here in AOO and
> Infra.
> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
> 
> >
> > > On October 21, 2013 at
> > > 6:51
> > > AM Andrea Pescetti
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Siva wrote:
> > > > On  this site
> > > > http://apache.org/   ,
> > > > I
> > > > wish
> > > > to know what are the
> > > > differences between
> > > > Projects and
> > > >  Foundation
> > > > Projects.
> > >
> > > You mean the page
> > > footer, I
> > > assume. "Projects" are
> > > software projects,
> > > like Apache OpenOffice
> > > and
> > > the Apache Web (HTTPD)
> > > Server. "Foundation
> > > Projects" are internal
> > > organization-wide
> > > structures
> > > (conference
> > > organization, legal
> > > affairs,
> > > apache.org servers
> > > infrastructure).
> > >
> > > > ( You may also suggest
> > > > me
> > > > where to go for these
> > > > types of
> > > > questions )
> > >
> > > Answers to frequently
> > > asked
> > > questions are at
> > > http://apache.org/foundation/faq.html
> > > Generic community
> > > inquiries
> > > can be sent to the
> > > dev@community list:
> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >Andrea.
> > >
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Re: Spec problems with nested dr3d:scene, for example: What is width and height of a 3D-scene?

[Armin Le Grand]

Hi Regina,

the dr3d:scene scene is - as in the model - the binding element between 
3D content and 2D objects. It has two objectives:
- be a 2D element which defines where the 3D content is to be rendered 
to, it's z-sorting and other 2D attributes, hence the 2D stuff like 
svg:width and svg:height, these should be the 2d attributes of the 3D 
scene in it's role as 2D object
- be the root of a 3D scene, with a hierarchy of 3D objects, lights and 
camera definitions which will all be rendered to a 2D 'bitmap' content 
(except the 3D shadow, that is another beast and creates 2D shadow 
'behind' the rendered 3D bitmap, but as vector data)


The camera for an inner 3D scene is ignored (only the outmost one makes 
sense). I would guess there was no easy way to make an extra-definitopn 
for a 2nd 3D scene which allows both.  Toe other sense of inner 3D 
scenes is a simple group object mechanism (extensively used in 3D charts).


HTH!

On 21.10.2013 09:44, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

The element dr3d:scene has the attributes svg:width and svg:height in 
the ODF specification. What do they mean?


When I set a special width in AOO, I can see, that the picture of the 
3D-scene is stretched to the given width. That is the same behavior in 
AOO as with width on an OLE object.


But following the spec a dr3d:scene can have other dr3d:scene elements 
as child elements and I have no idea, what makes sense then.


Similar problem is with the attributes, which describe the camera. 
What is the sense of an own camera for an inner 3D-scene?


Kind regards
Regina


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[Code] Expand class ImplB2DPolygon

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

I write to the list, because I think the list is more appropriate to 
discuss an idea than an issue.


Objects of the class ImplB2DPolygon are used to store the points, which 
are read from an svg:d attribute. This attribute is not only used in 
svg-graphics itself, but in dr3d:extrude, dr3d:rotate, draw:connector, 
draw:contour-path, draw:marker and draw:path.


After filled with the points, the information is lost, which part of the 
svg:d string has generated the point. This results in following problems:
* It is currently not possible to distinguish between a closed path and 
an open path, when first and last point coordinates are identical.
* It is not possible to distinguish between a path starting by a moveto 
command or starting with another command after a closepath command.
* It is not possible to notice, that not the whole path is closed, but 
the path ends in an unclosed path segment.
* It is not possible to distinguish between points, that origin in the 
svg:d attribute and those, which are added to draw a curve.


My proposal is to expand the class with a mpCommandVector, which can 
store for each point an additional information about the point's origin, 
for example
the command letter, when the point corresponds directly to a command 
letter in the svg:d string,
or a “internal” flag letter, for example when the point was generated by 
adding points to draw an arc.


With such additional information it would be possible to distinguish between
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 h-20 v-20" and svg:d="m0,0 h20 v20 h-20 z" (not 
closed or closed)
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z M0,0 40,0" and svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z L40,0" ( 
different direction of markers)

and avoid mid-markers on pseudo vertices in svg:d="m10,50 a40,40 0 1,1 80,0"

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Regina

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Re: Spec problems with nested dr3d:scene, for example: What is width and height of a 3D-scene?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Armin,

Armin Le Grand schrieb:

 Hi Regina,

the dr3d:scene scene is - as in the model - the binding element between
3D content and 2D objects. It has two objectives:
- be a 2D element which defines where the 3D content is to be rendered
to, it's z-sorting and other 2D attributes, hence the 2D stuff like
svg:width and svg:height, these should be the 2d attributes of the 3D
scene in it's role as 2D object
- be the root of a 3D scene, with a hierarchy of 3D objects, lights and
camera definitions which will all be rendered to a 2D 'bitmap' content
(except the 3D shadow, that is another beast and creates 2D shadow
'behind' the rendered 3D bitmap, but as vector data)


That means, that svg:width and svg:height makes no sense for inner 
dr3d:scene elements. ODF 1.2 does not distinguish this. So I will try to 
get an additional remark into the spec.




The camera for an inner 3D scene is ignored (only the outmost one makes
sense).


So in a nesting tree only one camera in a branch makes sense. But I do 
not think, that it must be the outmost dr3d:scene. Imagine two 3D-scenes 
with camera, side by side grouped by a dr3d:scene without camera.


 I would guess there was no easy way to make an extra-definitopn

for a 2nd 3D scene which allows both.  Toe other sense of inner 3D
scenes is a simple group object mechanism (extensively used in 3D charts).


Are the svg:x and svg:y attributes used in the inner 3D-scenes?



HTH!


It confirms my opinion that the spec needs some clarifications in regard 
to 3D-scenes.


Kind regards
Regina




On 21.10.2013 09:44, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

The element dr3d:scene has the attributes svg:width and svg:height in
the ODF specification. What do they mean?

When I set a special width in AOO, I can see, that the picture of the
3D-scene is stretched to the given width. That is the same behavior in
AOO as with width on an OLE object.

But following the spec a dr3d:scene can have other dr3d:scene elements
as child elements and I have no idea, what makes sense then.

Similar problem is with the attributes, which describe the camera.
What is the sense of an own camera for an inner 3D-scene?

Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [Code] Expand class ImplB2DPolygon

[Andre Fischer]

On 21.10.2013 15:02, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

I write to the list, because I think the list is more appropriate to 
discuss an idea than an issue.


Objects of the class ImplB2DPolygon are used to store the points, 
which are read from an svg:d attribute. This attribute is not only 
used in svg-graphics itself, but in dr3d:extrude, dr3d:rotate, 
draw:connector, draw:contour-path, draw:marker and draw:path.


After filled with the points, the information is lost, which part of 
the svg:d string has generated the point. This results in following 
problems:
* It is currently not possible to distinguish between a closed path 
and an open path, when first and last point coordinates are identical.
* It is not possible to distinguish between a path starting by a 
moveto command or starting with another command after a closepath 
command.
* It is not possible to notice, that not the whole path is closed, but 
the path ends in an unclosed path segment.
* It is not possible to distinguish between points, that origin in the 
svg:d attribute and those, which are added to draw a curve.


Can you tell us in what situations these items cause problems?



My proposal is to expand the class with a mpCommandVector, which can 
store for each point an additional information about the point's 
origin, for example
the command letter, when the point corresponds directly to a command 
letter in the svg:d string,
or a “internal” flag letter, for example when the point was generated 
by adding points to draw an arc.


Without knowing what the actual problem is, this looks like a hack. Is 
it possible to use a more direct approach, ie. if it is important to 
distinguish between geometrical and structural closedness (item 1) then 
add a flag to the path.  After all, you might be interested in this 
information even when the path was not read from an SVG string.


-Andre



With such additional information it would be possible to distinguish 
between
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 h-20 v-20" and svg:d="m0,0 h20 v20 h-20 z" (not 
closed or closed)
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z M0,0 40,0" and svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z L40,0" ( 
different direction of markers)
and avoid mid-markers on pseudo vertices in svg:d="m10,50 a40,40 0 1,1 
80,0"


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Regina

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Re: [proposal] replace build.pl with a central Makefile.

[Andre Fischer]

On 21.10.2013 12:35, janI wrote:

[...]
I have the following plan:
a) rename all Makefile to Makefile.gb, and correct prj/makefile.mk to the
new name


prj/makefile.mk usually only contains a simple forwarding.  This would 
mean that making a gbuild module would require two forwards, one from 
the global Makefile to prj/makefile.mk and one from there to 
./Makefile.   Maybe prj/makefile.mk could be removed and ./Makefile be 
called directly from the global Makefile?



b) for each  add a new Makefile, that basically call the existing
makefile.mk, as per your script (and build.lst) and update build.lst


I would suggest to do this forwarding with a macro, so that when there 
are any changes in the future, we only have to change the macro once 
instead of every forwarding call.
A while back I modified the forwarding calls for gbuild modules (from 
prj/makefile.mk to ./Makefile) to include the debug flag. Would have 
been easier when all had used the same macro.



c) add deliver.lst to Makefile and update build.lst


Are deliver.lst and build.lst still used after this change?  If not, can 
you delete them?




once done, both build.pl and main/Makefile will work in the branch.

d) have all of you test, and critic the idea.
e) remove */prj and build.pl
f) integrate in trunk.


Sounds good to me, with or without changes according to my suggestions.

-Andre



rgds
jan I.





-Andre




hope you like it.
rgds
jan I.









While this is easy to do with eg Perl I am not sure how to handle

this


with just a Makefile.  The straightforward approach with handling
.done files does not work.  And that is one of the reasons why


I

don't think that (GNU) makefiles are a good solution for any problem.

   Most
of us are used to program object oriented/imperative.  Makefiles


require

a

declarative approach. Maybe the use of Perl is not such a bad idea.
   Maybe
it would be better to reimplement build.pl with a lot fewer options


and

with better readable code.

   I agree that makefiles are nowhere near a good solution to many of


these

problems, but its like windows, I dont like it, but everybody uses it.

We could easily write a new build.pl, that also took care of the local
makefiles, but our build system would not be in the mainstream, and
e.g.
the distros would not like to integrate AOO.

I have over the last years followed research in building systems, and
there
are (sadly enough) nobody that tries a real object oriented aproach.


Also
if you look at packages like visual studio, QT, eclipse they all use the

principle of makefiles with declarative approach.

So my simple question is, do we want to approach the main road


(makefiles
for unix, visual studio for windows/mac) or do we want to have better
but
non standard system.

  Good analysis.  Maybe I should answer with Faust: "Zwei Seelen wohnen,

ach! in meiner Brust" (two souls alas! are dwelling in my breast).  The
pragmatist says to use the make.  It is good enough for others, it is


good


enough for use.
On the other hand, when I start a new project I usually start with the
question of what are the best tools for the problem at hand. And make


does


not seem to be the first or the best answer.  Look at our dmake or
gbuild
system.  Both don't use make in a standard way. gmake even defines its


own


language, object oriented and imperative, on top of the GNU make macros.
   That is, for me, an act of desperation.
I have made experiments with an alternative approach, a domain specific
language somewhat similar to Java.  I personally like this approach


because


a) it uses the paradigm that I already use when writing C++ code. That
means that I can apply my existing knowledge to the build process and


that


I don't have to remember all the tricks and pitfalls of makefiles.
b) as expected it was much easier to handle file dependencies and


parallel


processing of build jobs in Java than adding object orientation and
imperative control flow to makefiles.

If I had the time and if I would be the one working on it then I would
prefer an non-Makefile approach.  But maybe I am just suffering too much
from one of the 'three great virtues of a programmer': hubris.

You are the one who leads the build project changes, so you have to


decide


which approach to use.  I am not trying to make your life harder (than
necessary), I am only trying to point out some of the pitfalls that I


have


encountered in the past.  And to prevent you from removing features that


I


use :-)




  rgds

jan I.

Ps. its always refreshing to discuss with you, you often have an
alternative approach, which is not just a dream but doable.

  Thanks. That makes two of us.

Have a nice weekend,
Andre



-Andre

 --prepare


   Also one option that is important for our every day work.  Use

case:
You make changes in  and are not sure if these changes are
compatible/incompatible.  To be on the safe side you discard the


output

of

all depending modules

Re: [Code] Expand class ImplB2DPolygon

[Armin Le Grand]

Hi Regina,

On 21.10.2013 15:02, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

I write to the list, because I think the list is more appropriate to 
discuss an idea than an issue.


Objects of the class ImplB2DPolygon are used to store the points, 
which are read from an svg:d attribute. This attribute is not only 
used in svg-graphics itself, but in dr3d:extrude, dr3d:rotate, 
draw:connector, draw:contour-path, draw:marker and draw:path.


After filled with the points, the information is lost, which part of 
the svg:d string has generated the point. This results in following 
problems:
* It is currently not possible to distinguish between a closed path 
and an open path, when first and last point coordinates are identical.
* It is not possible to distinguish between a path starting by a 
moveto command or starting with another command after a closepath 
command.
* It is not possible to notice, that not the whole path is closed, but 
the path ends in an unclosed path segment.
* It is not possible to distinguish between points, that origin in the 
svg:d attribute and those, which are added to draw a curve.


My proposal is to expand the class with a mpCommandVector, which can 
store for each point an additional information about the point's 
origin, for example
the command letter, when the point corresponds directly to a command 
letter in the svg:d string,
or a “internal” flag letter, for example when the point was generated 
by adding points to draw an arc.


With such additional information it would be possible to distinguish 
between
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 h-20 v-20" and svg:d="m0,0 h20 v20 h-20 z" (not 
closed or closed)
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z M0,0 40,0" and svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z L40,0" ( 
different direction of markers)
and avoid mid-markers on pseudo vertices in svg:d="m10,50 a40,40 0 1,1 
80,0"


It would be possible to do so, but B2DPolygon is a low-level tooling 
class and used in many places and should stay as simple as possible, 
while there is only one place where knowledge about the source of a 
created point is needed: Inside the SVG import. I already thought about 
this (you wrote a task for it, I saw and know it ;-) and the easiest way 
to solve this currently would be to extend the svg:d importer in basegfx 
to return a B2DPolyPolygon and (on demand evetually) a sequence of 
sequence of flags. The only use of this currently is to create markers 
for SVG, thus I would keep it to the places where it is needed.


I would also like to wait to aw080, as I already said, the svg:d import 
is unified there and there is only one single svg:d importer left.


HTH!



Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [Code] Expand class ImplB2DPolygon

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Andre,

Andre Fischer schrieb:

On 21.10.2013 15:02, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

I write to the list, because I think the list is more appropriate to
discuss an idea than an issue.

Objects of the class ImplB2DPolygon are used to store the points,
which are read from an svg:d attribute. This attribute is not only
used in svg-graphics itself, but in dr3d:extrude, dr3d:rotate,
draw:connector, draw:contour-path, draw:marker and draw:path.

After filled with the points, the information is lost, which part of
the svg:d string has generated the point. This results in following
problems:
* It is currently not possible to distinguish between a closed path
and an open path, when first and last point coordinates are identical.
* It is not possible to distinguish between a path starting by a
moveto command or starting with another command after a closepath
command.
* It is not possible to notice, that not the whole path is closed, but
the path ends in an unclosed path segment.
* It is not possible to distinguish between points, that origin in the
svg:d attribute and those, which are added to draw a curve.


Can you tell us in what situations these items cause problems?


[SVG] marker-mid missing for empty closepath if first point equals last 
point

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123465

[SVG] marker-mid on pseudo vertices
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123433

[SVG] marker rotation wrong on line close line sequence in d attribute 
in path element

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123410

z command in d attribute in svg sets the 'current point' wrong
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119118





My proposal is to expand the class with a mpCommandVector, which can
store for each point an additional information about the point's
origin, for example
the command letter, when the point corresponds directly to a command
letter in the svg:d string,
or a “internal” flag letter, for example when the point was generated
by adding points to draw an arc.


Without knowing what the actual problem is, this looks like a hack. Is
it possible to use a more direct approach, ie. if it is important to
distinguish between geometrical and structural closedness (item 1) then
add a flag to the path.  After all, you might be interested in this
information even when the path was not read from an SVG string.


It has already a flag, but that is not enough to solve the case of 
unclosed path end (item 3).


Kind regards
Regina



-Andre



With such additional information it would be possible to distinguish
between
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 h-20 v-20" and svg:d="m0,0 h20 v20 h-20 z" (not
closed or closed)
svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z M0,0 40,0" and svg:d="M0,0 h20 v20 z L40,0" (
different direction of markers)
and avoid mid-markers on pseudo vertices in svg:d="m10,50 a40,40 0 1,1
80,0"

Kind regards
Regina



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Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

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Folks, 

As you may be aware the Infra team have been battling with a performance
issue on it's VMware hosts - and one of the things we are doing to
mitigate some of this is to move SQL databases to a central server
setup. 

This has been done, and now we are ready to move pootle(translate) and
wiki.openoffice.org.  The forum stuff will have to wait due to a version
conflict. 

We intend to do wiki.openoffice.org a little later today, and we expect
it to take no more than 1 hour to migrate the database.  In fact it
should be less than 30 minutes. 

We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
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Re: Spec problems with nested dr3d:scene, for example: What is width and height of a 3D-scene?

[Armin Le Grand]

Hi Regina,

On 21.10.2013 15:25, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Armin,

Armin Le Grand schrieb:

 Hi Regina,

the dr3d:scene scene is - as in the model - the binding element between
3D content and 2D objects. It has two objectives:
- be a 2D element which defines where the 3D content is to be rendered
to, it's z-sorting and other 2D attributes, hence the 2D stuff like
svg:width and svg:height, these should be the 2d attributes of the 3D
scene in it's role as 2D object
- be the root of a 3D scene, with a hierarchy of 3D objects, lights and
camera definitions which will all be rendered to a 2D 'bitmap' content
(except the 3D shadow, that is another beast and creates 2D shadow
'behind' the rendered 3D bitmap, but as vector data)


That means, that svg:width and svg:height makes no sense for inner 
dr3d:scene elements. ODF 1.2 does not distinguish this. So I will try 
to get an additional remark into the spec.


Yes, exactly. Thanks for taking that over!





The camera for an inner 3D scene is ignored (only the outmost one makes
sense).


So in a nesting tree only one camera in a branch makes sense. But I do 
not think, that it must be the outmost dr3d:scene. Imagine two 
3D-scenes with camera, side by side grouped by a dr3d:scene without 
camera.


I think that only the outmost camera definition makes sense; I am pretty 
sure that only that one is currently used. I do not think that 
constructing useful cases will ever be used; I would suggest to also 
clearly state that only the definitions for the outmost scene are used; 
when this ever changes, we may adapt that.




 I would guess there was no easy way to make an extra-definitopn

for a 2nd 3D scene which allows both.  Toe other sense of inner 3D
scenes is a simple group object mechanism (extensively used in 3D 
charts).


Are the svg:x and svg:y attributes used in the inner 3D-scenes?


No, also pure 2D attrinutes, same as width and height.





HTH!


It confirms my opinion that the spec needs some clarifications in 
regard to 3D-scenes.


Yes, definitely. In principle it's pretty easy:
- 2D attributes are only used for the outmost 3D scene (in it's role as 
2D object)

- 3D attributes except transformation are used only for the outmost 3D scene
-> only transformation (homogen 3D matrix) is used in inner 3D scenes, 
together with the grouping functionality


Sincerely,
Armin



Kind regards
Regina




On 21.10.2013 09:44, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

The element dr3d:scene has the attributes svg:width and svg:height in
the ODF specification. What do they mean?

When I set a special width in AOO, I can see, that the picture of the
3D-scene is stretched to the given width. That is the same behavior in
AOO as with width on an OLE object.

But following the spec a dr3d:scene can have other dr3d:scene elements
as child elements and I have no idea, what makes sense then.

Similar problem is with the attributes, which describe the camera.
What is the sense of an own camera for an inner 3D-scene?

Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [proposal] replace build.pl with a central Makefile.

[janI]

On 21 October 2013 15:52, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 21.10.2013 12:35, janI wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> I have the following plan:
>> a) rename all Makefile to Makefile.gb, and correct prj/makefile.mk to the
>> new name
>>
>
> prj/makefile.mk usually only contains a simple forwarding.  This would
> mean that making a gbuild module would require two forwards, one from the
> global Makefile to prj/makefile.mk and one from there to ./Makefile.
> Maybe prj/makefile.mk could be removed and ./Makefile be called directly
> from the global Makefile?


Would be a lot easier, I have looked at tweaking build.pl to accept make
along with nmake, and then call make instead of dmake, but I have had a lot
of success. Any help would be apriciated.


>
>
>  b) for each  add a new Makefile, that basically call the existing
>> makefile.mk, as per your script (and build.lst) and update build.lst
>>
>
> I would suggest to do this forwarding with a macro, so that when there are
> any changes in the future, we only have to change the macro once instead of
> every forwarding call.
> A while back I modified the forwarding calls for gbuild modules (from prj/
> makefile.mk to ./Makefile) to include the debug flag. Would have been
> easier when all had used the same macro.

good idea.

>
>
>  c) add deliver.lst to Makefile and update build.lst
>>
>
> Are deliver.lst and build.lst still used after this change?  If not, can
> you delete them?

yes, I do that at a later step, when I am sure the new Makefile works.


>
>
>
>> once done, both build.pl and main/Makefile will work in the branch.
>>
>> d) have all of you test, and critic the idea.
>> e) remove */prj and build.pl
>> f) integrate in trunk.
>>
>
> Sounds good to me, with or without changes according to my suggestions.
>

thx.
rgds
jan I.

>
> -Andre
>
>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -Andre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  hope you like it.
 rgds
 jan I.





>
>
>  While this is easy to do with eg Perl I am not sure how to handle
>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>  with just a Makefile.  The straightforward approach with handling
 .done files does not work.  And that is one of the reasons
 why

  I
>>>
>> don't think that (GNU) makefiles are a good solution for any problem.
>>
>>>Most
 of us are used to program object oriented/imperative.  Makefiles

  require
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> declarative approach. Maybe the use of Perl is not such a bad idea.
Maybe
 it would be better to reimplement build.pl with a lot fewer options

  and
>>>
>> with better readable code.
>>
>>>I agree that makefiles are nowhere near a good solution to many of

  these
>>>
>> problems, but its like windows, I dont like it, but everybody uses it.
>>
>>> We could easily write a new build.pl, that also took care of the
>>> local
>>> makefiles, but our build system would not be in the mainstream, and
>>> e.g.
>>> the distros would not like to integrate AOO.
>>>
>>> I have over the last years followed research in building systems, and
>>> there
>>> are (sadly enough) nobody that tries a real object oriented aproach.
>>>
>>>  Also
>> if you look at packages like visual studio, QT, eclipse they all use
>> the
>>
>>> principle of makefiles with declarative approach.
>>>
>>> So my simple question is, do we want to approach the main road
>>>
>>>  (makefiles
>> for unix, visual studio for windows/mac) or do we want to have better
>> but
>> non standard system.
>>
>>>   Good analysis.  Maybe I should answer with Faust: "Zwei Seelen
>>> wohnen,
>>>
>> ach! in meiner Brust" (two souls alas! are dwelling in my breast).
>>  The
>> pragmatist says to use the make.  It is good enough for others, it is
>>
>>  good
>
>  enough for use.
>> On the other hand, when I start a new project I usually start with the
>> question of what are the best tools for the problem at hand. And make
>>
>>  does
>
>  not seem to be the first or the best answer.  Look at our dmake or
>> gbuild
>> system.  Both don't use make in a standard way. gmake even defines its
>>
>>  own
>
>  language, object oriented and imperative, on top of the GNU make
>> macros.
>>That is, for me, an act of desperation.
>> I have made experiments with an alternative approach, a domain
>> specific
>> language somewhat similar to Java.  I personally like this approach
>>
>>  because
>
>  a) it uses the paradigm that I already use when writing C++ code. That
>> means that I can apply my existing knowledge to the build process and
>>
>>  that
>
>  I don't have to remember all the tricks and pitfalls of makefiles.
>> b) as expected it was

Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[Andrea Pescetti]

Tony Stevenson wrote:

We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
notice


It is indeed a very, very short notice! Thanks at least for sending it 
to the dev list so more people are informed.


I put a note at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
that's all I can do now.

Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove the 
warning.


If someone didn't follow: http://wiki.openoffice.org will be down 
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[Tony Stevenson]

Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
> Tony Stevenson wrote:
> >We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
> >notice
> 
> It is indeed a very, very short notice! Thanks at least for sending
> it to the dev list so more people are informed.

Apologies for that - unfortunately things have conspired against us to
force this into a very small window indeed. We will be as quick as we
can be.  I am hoping for <10 minutes. But we will see. 

> 
> I put a note at
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
> that's all I can do now.
> 
> Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
> the warning.
> 
> If someone didn't follow: http://wiki.openoffice.org will be down
> starting at 15:00 UTC (about 10 minutes from now), and up again in
> one hour or so.
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.

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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[Siva]

lol.
( I am though not actively
involved. )

> On October 21, 2013 at 10:52
> AM Andrea Pescetti
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Tony Stevenson wrote:
> > We expect to start the
> > downtime at 15:00 UTC.
> >  Apologies for the short
> > notice
> 
> It is indeed a very, very
> short notice! Thanks at
> least for sending it
> to the dev list so more
> people are informed.
> 
> I put a note at
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
> that's all I can do now.
> 
> Please tell us when the
> migration is complete so
> that we can remove the
> warning.
> 
> If someone didn't follow:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org
> will be down
> starting at 15:00 UTC (about
> 10 minutes from now), and up
> again in one
> hour or so.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[imacat]

On 2013/10/21 22:03, Tony Stevenson said:
> As you may be aware the Infra team have been battling with a performance
> issue on it's VMware hosts - and one of the things we are doing to
> mitigate some of this is to move SQL databases to a central server
> setup. 
> 
> This has been done, and now we are ready to move pootle(translate) and
> wiki.openoffice.org.  The forum stuff will have to wait due to a version
> conflict. 
> 
> We intend to do wiki.openoffice.org a little later today, and we expect
> it to take no more than 1 hour to migrate the database.  In fact it
> should be less than 30 minutes. 
> 
> We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short

That is ... 10 min later?  That is ... cool?

And what should we do to our Wiki server to adapt this change of
MySQL server?

> notice, but this is the only timw this week when the relevant skills are
> in alignment, and the overhead of these SQL services has now reached a
> critical point to the extent it is driving so much IO it is affecting
> other services.
> 
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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[Tony Stevenson]

imacat wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:52:47PM +0800:
> On 2013/10/21 22:03, Tony Stevenson said:
> > As you may be aware the Infra team have been battling with a performance
> > issue on it's VMware hosts - and one of the things we are doing to
> > mitigate some of this is to move SQL databases to a central server
> > setup. 
> > 
> > This has been done, and now we are ready to move pootle(translate) and
> > wiki.openoffice.org.  The forum stuff will have to wait due to a version
> > conflict. 
> > 
> > We intend to do wiki.openoffice.org a little later today, and we expect
> > it to take no more than 1 hour to migrate the database.  In fact it
> > should be less than 30 minutes. 
> > 
> > We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
> 
> That is ... 10 min later?  That is ... cool?

Sorry that makes no sense to me.  

> And what should we do to our Wiki server to adapt this change of
> MySQL server?

Nothing, we are doing it for you. 

> 
> > notice, but this is the only timw this week when the relevant skills are
> > in alignment, and the overhead of these SQL services has now reached a
> > critical point to the extent it is driving so much IO it is affecting
> > other services.
> > 
> > 
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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[Tony Stevenson]

Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
> Tony Stevenson wrote:
> >We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
> >notice
> 
> It is indeed a very, very short notice! Thanks at least for sending
> it to the dev list so more people are informed.
> 
> I put a note at
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
> that's all I can do now.
> 
> Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
> the warning.

The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.

> 
> If someone didn't follow: http://wiki.openoffice.org will be down
> starting at 15:00 UTC (about 10 minutes from now), and up again in
> one hour or so.
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.

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Updated OpenOffice brand and adoption stats

[Rob Weir]

Those who read my personal blog know that I've done some survey work
looking at OpenOffice brand recognition, adoption, etc.  I had surveys
run in September 2012 and 6-months later in April 2013, via Google
Consumer Surveys.   Now another 6 months have elapsed and I have
updated results to report.

In general, the news is very good.  You can read the details of the
survey results here:

http://www.robweir.com/blog/2013/10/the-power-of-brand-and-the-power-of-product-part-3.html

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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[janI]

On 21 October 2013 17:22, Tony Stevenson  wrote:

> Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
> > Tony Stevenson wrote:
> > >We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
> > >notice
> >
> > It is indeed a very, very short notice! Thanks at least for sending
> > it to the dev list so more people are informed.
> >
> > I put a note at
> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> that's all I can do now.
>

Fyi: there is a page call sitenotice, which goes on top of the pages, as
admin you can edit that.



> >
> > Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
> > the warning.
>
> The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
> Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.
>
And user performance, with searches is  a very quick.


> >
> > If someone didn't follow: http://wiki.openoffice.org will be down
> > starting at 15:00 UTC (about 10 minutes from now), and up again in
> > one hour or so.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
>

Thx for reacting fast.

rgds
jan I.


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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[Andrea Pescetti]

Tony Stevenson wrote:

Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:

Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
the warning.

The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.


OK, thank you! It seems that in the end interruption of service was 
minimal. I've removed the note from the home page. Of course, for the 
next maintenance operations, including the forum, please give us some 
more time to inform users.


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Re: Updated OpenOffice brand and adoption stats

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> Those who read my personal blog know that I've done some survey work
> looking at OpenOffice brand recognition, adoption, etc.  I had surveys
> run in September 2012 and 6-months later in April 2013, via Google
> Consumer Surveys.   Now another 6 months have elapsed and I have
> updated results to report.
>
> In general, the news is very good.  You can read the details of the
> survey results here:
>
>
> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2013/10/the-power-of-brand-and-the-power-of-product-part-3.html
>
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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[Tony Stevenson]

Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 06:27:50PM +0200:
> Tony Stevenson wrote:
> >Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
> >>Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
> >>the warning.
> >The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
> >Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.
> 
> OK, thank you! It seems that in the end interruption of service was
> minimal. I've removed the note from the home page. Of course, for
> the next maintenance operations, including the forum, please give us
> some more time to inform users.

Of course we will, in fact we gave you the best we could today given the
circumstances we found ourselved in. 

The forum move will need to have as many tables as possible converted
from ISAM to inno. This is critical, as we only run MySQL 5.5 and will
not be install 5.6 anytime soon, as a result all fields that require
full text search enabling need to keep that table in ISAM. 

JanIV did this already for other DBs and he should be consulted on how
to do this. It is likely this will be a many hour operation and is a
pre-requisite.  I dont wan't to force a date on the community to have
this done by, but we need to action this ASAP. To prevent further issues
to other VMs on the same host as forums. 

Can I please ask that if we do not hear any offers of support to help us
convert these tables by Weds this week that Infra will set a date (with n
days notice) and do the work ourselves. 

This is now impacting other services and needs to be resolved ASAP, please.

FWIW the total downtime was 11 minutes.  Which is pretty fast
considering all the changes that had to be incorporated.


> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.

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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[janI]

On 21 October 2013 18:39, Tony Stevenson  wrote:

> Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 06:27:50PM +0200:
> > Tony Stevenson wrote:
> > >Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
> > >>Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
> > >>the warning.
> > >The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
> > >Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.
> >
> > OK, thank you! It seems that in the end interruption of service was
> > minimal. I've removed the note from the home page. Of course, for
> > the next maintenance operations, including the forum, please give us
> > some more time to inform users.
>
> Of course we will, in fact we gave you the best we could today given the
> circumstances we found ourselved in.
>
> The forum move will need to have as many tables as possible converted
> from ISAM to inno. This is critical, as we only run MySQL 5.5 and will
> not be install 5.6 anytime soon, as a result all fields that require
> full text search enabling need to keep that table in ISAM.
>
> JanIV did this already for other DBs and he should be consulted on how
> to do this. It is likely this will be a many hour operation and is a
> pre-requisite.  I dont wan't to force a date on the community to have
> this done by, but we need to action this ASAP. To prevent further issues
> to other VMs on the same host as forums.
>
> Can I please ask that if we do not hear any offers of support to help us
> convert these tables by Weds this week that Infra will set a date (with n
> days notice) and do the work ourselves.
>

Imacat (admin) has responded to my question if help is wanted, answer was
that it would be be fine if infra does it (like me) and offered to help.

If we think along these lines, my plan would be the following:

1) Thursday evening (16-22 UTC), I wil combine the single forum databases
into the EN database. This will mean short breaks on the single forum,
about 10min each (to copy the tables).
 If time permits, I will convert the FULLTEXT back to MyIsam.
2) Friday morning (8-11 UTC) I will convert tables. This happens online,
and only means slow system while I do it.
3) Friday afternoon (15 UTC, depending on pctony), we can take the forums
down for approx 2hours to move the databases.

In order to finalize the database changes Thursday and move friday, we need
someone with access to all forums to help with the test.

Could this be an acceptable plan ?  The time is needed, but if preferred I
can do it friday or saturday evening instead (depending on pctony).

rgds
jan I.





> This is now impacting other services and needs to be resolved ASAP, please.
>
> FWIW the total downtime was 11 minutes.  Which is pretty fast
> considering all the changes that had to be incorporated.
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
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Re: Version 4.1

[Ian Lynch]

Hi Michael,

We have tested the file you sent and we can't replicate the problem. The
sheet is very simple and if there was a bug in the software it would
certainly be affecting many other people. So all I can think is that it is
something in the way your system is set up. We know that a partial download
can result in these symptoms. Did you check that the downloaded file was
the full size it should be before installing it? It should be around 150
MB. If you have checked that and are sure it is not that, can you get a
friend with a similar computer to download and install AOO and try it. If
it works on their computer you can look for any differences between the two
systems.


On 20 October 2013 20:03, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Michael Cleary 
> wrote:
> > Good morning,
> >
> > As I was invited to upgrade to version 4.1, I did so. I am not a
> computer expert and struggle with the formulae on my homemade banking
> spread sheets but as they were functioning perfectly well before and now
> every cell shows an error 509.
> >
> > I have spent 2 hours this morning which I really can't afford, and I
> know I should try harder but frustration (and bad temper) is setting in, so
> can you please advise me as to what has caused (and the remedy please)
> these very simple formulae to now be incorrect as they were previously
> fine. They are very basic arithmetic formulae, nothing complex at all.
> >
> > Sorry to be a pain,
> >
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for letting us know.  Would it be possible to get a simplified
> spreadsheet document that demonstrates the bug?  (I assume you don't
> want to share your banking data).  I'd be interested in trying this
> with an older version of OpenOffice and see if I can reproduce what
> you are seeing.  Or, 9if you are not able to share a spreadsheet, can
> you narrow down exactly what part of the calculation changed?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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> >
> > Mike Cleary
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AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

For those who do not know who Kim Komando is, she hosts a rather successful
radio talk show dealing with digital consumer products.

This last weekend's show included a call in about speech recognition and
OpenOffice, and the Nexus 7.

The host explained that they would be putting up a quick tutorial on their
website, www.komando.com/ , showing hot to hook this up on the Nexus 7.

So - does AOO actually run on a Nexus 7, I really don't know and if their
is any known problems does anyone happen to have a contact with the show so
that we could help them put this together.

Thanks

//drew

Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[Tony Stevenson]

On 21 Oct 2013, at 19:37, janI  wrote:

> Imacat (admin) has responded to my question if help is wanted, answer was 
> that it would be be fine if infra does it (like me) and offered to help.

That's good news, shame I didn't see that but thats ok - an offer is an offer  
:-) 

> If we think along these lines, my plan would be the following:
> 
> 1) Thursday evening (16-22 UTC), I wil combine the single forum databases 
> into the EN database. This will mean short breaks on the single forum, about 
> 10min each (to copy the tables).
>  If time permits, I will convert the FULLTEXT back to MyIsam.
> 2) Friday morning (8-11 UTC) I will convert tables. This happens online, and 
> only means slow system while I do it.

Would it be much quicker if you did it offline?  How about you convert them to 
Inno before you merge them, so you can do the slow work by off-lining one 
language at a time - and the merge done later. 


> 3) Friday afternoon (15 UTC, depending on pctony), we can take the forums 
> down for approx 2hours to move the databases.

I won't be around, I'll be at the hospital with my boy, and I'm not sure what 
time we will be back.  So don't want to commit to it then. If we can do late 
Thursday PM that would be better, say 1700 UTC onwards. 

> In order to finalize the database changes Thursday and move friday, we need 
> someone with access to all forums to help with the test.
> 
> Could this be an acceptable plan ?  The time is needed, but if preferred I 
> can do it friday or saturday evening instead (depending on pctony).

Bring it closer, otherwise for me it will have to be next week - and I am not 
confident that we can last that long right now.  We probably could, but I am 
not confident - so I'd rather do a controlled move on a more aggressive 
timeline than have to deal with a potential hazardous failure unexpectedly.

> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
> 


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Re: General ASF question

[Drew Jensen]

Hi Siva,

I was wondering if you are familiar with the OpenSource Maryland group. The
next meeting will be held November 21, 2013 at the Howard County library.

Their website is at http://opensource-md.org/

The group does dual purpose for a Ubuntu user group - anyway, I would not
be adverse to putting together a presentation regarding AOO (and Apache I
suppose) for the group. I'm already hooked up on the mailing list there and
certain that it would be welcomed, so if you would be interested in
attending such a presentation let me know and I'll get to it.

Thanks,

//drew

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Siva  wrote:

> This is good.
> Thank you very much.
> (picture is worth thousand
> words & conversation is worth
> thousand searches)
>
> > On October 21, 2013 at 7:02
> > AM janI 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 21 October 2013 12:59,
> > Siva
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Which means we can only
> > > contribute to " Projects "
> > > but
> > > not " Foundation Projects"
> > > Is that so ? ( I am not
> > > able
> > > to understand what is
> > > "internal" for apache )
> > >
> >
> > "internal" are projects,
> > that do not deliver a
> > product in form of releases
> > available to
> > people/organisations outside
> > ASF. E.g. legal affairs give
> > advice to all projects,
> > Infrastructure maintain our
> > server farms.
> >
> > You can contribute to both
> > projects and foundation
> > projects. f.x. I am
> > committer here in AOO and
> > Infra.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > On October 21, 2013 at
> > > > 6:51
> > > > AM Andrea Pescetti
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Siva wrote:
> > > > > On  this site
> > > > > http://apache.org/   ,
> > > > > I
> > > > > wish
> > > > > to know what are the
> > > > > differences between
> > > > > Projects and
> > > > >  Foundation
> > > > > Projects.
> > > >
> > > > You mean the page
> > > > footer, I
> > > > assume. "Projects" are
> > > > software projects,
> > > > like Apache OpenOffice
> > > > and
> > > > the Apache Web (HTTPD)
> > > > Server. "Foundation
> > > > Projects" are internal
> > > > organization-wide
> > > > structures
> > > > (conference
> > > > organization, legal
> > > > affairs,
> > > > apache.org servers
> > > > infrastructure).
> > > >
> > > > > ( You may also suggest
> > > > > me
> > > > > where to go for these
> > > > > types of
> > > > > questions )
> > > >
> > > > Answers to frequently
> > > > asked
> > > > questions are at
> > > > http://apache.org/foundation/faq.html
> > > > Generic community
> > > > inquiries
> > > > can be sent to the
> > > > dev@community list:
> > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >Andrea.
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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:06:31 -0400
Drew Jensen  wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> For those who do not know who Kim Komando is, she hosts a rather successful
> radio talk show dealing with digital consumer products.
> 
> This last weekend's show included a call in about speech recognition and
> OpenOffice, and the Nexus 7.
> 
> The host explained that they would be putting up a quick tutorial on their
> website, www.komando.com/ , showing hot to hook this up on the Nexus 7.
> 
> So - does AOO actually run on a Nexus 7, I really don't know and if their
> is any known problems does anyone happen to have a contact with the show so
> that we could help them put this together.
> 
There is a version at
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice

I installed this on my Nexus 7 some weeks ago; as far as I have  tried, it 
works. But as my interest is writing I prefer to write/edit on a real 
laptop/desktop, so haven't progressed very far with this version.

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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Drew Jensen]

Thanks, I did not think AOO ran directly on the Nexus.

hmm - well, I checked the show site and they already posted the other items
I heard mentioned form the weekend show, but nothing regarding this callers
question.

I suppose it is worth an email to the show producer. Unfortunately I'm
running short on time for today already, but I'll get that done and sent
tomorrow and will cc the list.

//drew


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:06:31 -0400
> Drew Jensen  wrote:
>
> > Howdy,
> >
> > For those who do not know who Kim Komando is, she hosts a rather
> successful
> > radio talk show dealing with digital consumer products.
> >
> > This last weekend's show included a call in about speech recognition and
> > OpenOffice, and the Nexus 7.
> >
> > The host explained that they would be putting up a quick tutorial on
> their
> > website, www.komando.com/ , showing hot to hook this up on the Nexus 7.
> >
> > So - does AOO actually run on a Nexus 7, I really don't know and if their
> > is any known problems does anyone happen to have a contact with the show
> so
> > that we could help them put this together.
> >
> There is a version at
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice
>
> I installed this on my Nexus 7 some weeks ago; as far as I have  tried, it
> works. But as my interest is writing I prefer to write/edit on a real
> laptop/desktop, so haven't progressed very far with this version.
>
> --
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Submission for consultants page

[Rob Weir]

 
IBM
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Support
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IBM® Support for Apache OpenOffice offers expert
technical support for Apache OpenOffice. With trusted IBM support,
you can confidently deploy Apache OpenOffice for your demanding
desktop office document requirements.

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Downloads by Country (updated data)

[Rob Weir]

Updated table here:

http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html

The last update was in early August.

The top 10 has remained stable.  The first change in the table is at
position #12, where Belgium overtook India for downloads.

But good news is that Brazil, India and Belgium have now each crossed
the 1 million download mark, which makes them "Apache OpenOffice
Superpowers" in my book ;-)

Regards,

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Re: Downloads by Country (updated data)

[Misha Konoplitskiy]

Rob, i'm promoting Apache Open Office in Ukraine. Do you have an e-mail
list of companies which uses Open Office?
I want to automate its work and help with support.

Regards!




2013/10/21 Rob Weir 

> Updated table here:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html
>
> The last update was in early August.
>
> The top 10 has remained stable.  The first change in the table is at
> position #12, where Belgium overtook India for downloads.
>
> But good news is that Brazil, India and Belgium have now each crossed
> the 1 million download mark, which makes them "Apache OpenOffice
> Superpowers" in my book ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: Submission for consultants page

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

  
 IBM
 Global  ...
 


Received. Subject to lazy consensus as usual, we can add it to the 
Consultants page in 72 hours.


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Re: Downloads by Country (updated data)

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Misha Konoplitskiy
 wrote:
> Rob, i'm promoting Apache Open Office in Ukraine. Do you have an e-mail
> list of companies which uses Open Office?
> I want to automate its work and help with support.
>

Sorry, we don't have a database of OpenOffice users.   In the Sun days
there was a user registration screen in the OpenOffice.org install
wizard, but we have removed that screen and do not have access to that
database.

But if you want to attract more Ukrainian volunteers, there are
certainly things that can be done, like:

1) Complete the UI translation into Ukrainian (already 84% done)

2) Translate the key website pages (around 30 pages)

Maybe a good first step is to add text to this page:

http://www.openoffice.org/ua/

We could put something like:

"Call for Volunteers!"

The Apache OpenOffice project is currently working on completing the
translation of OpenOffice 4.0 into Ukrainian.  We will also make a
Ukrainian-language website with useful information about OpenOffice.
If you can help with these tasks we welcome all volunteers.  For more
information write to l...@openoffice.apache.org".

If you can translate that into Ukrainian I can add this to the website.

Regards,

-Rob


-Rob

> Regards!
>
>
>
>
> 2013/10/21 Rob Weir 
>
>> Updated table here:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html
>>
>> The last update was in early August.
>>
>> The top 10 has remained stable.  The first change in the table is at
>> position #12, where Belgium overtook India for downloads.
>>
>> But good news is that Brazil, India and Belgium have now each crossed
>> the 1 million download mark, which makes them "Apache OpenOffice
>> Superpowers" in my book ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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Re: Submission for consultants page

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 21.10.13 21:59, schrieb Rob Weir:

  
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 Support
 Training
 IBM® Support for Apache OpenOffice offers expert
technical support for Apache OpenOffice. With trusted IBM support,
you can confidently deploy Apache OpenOffice for your demanding
desktop office document requirements.
 
http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/us/en/ibm-support-for-apache-openoffice
 

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Mobile device support?

[Keith Joslyn]

Hi 

Is there any intention/willingness to develope/deploy a version of your great 
office application (OpenOffice). It has been my choice of office products since 
'StarOffice' on OS/2. And I continue to use OpenOffice on my OSX & Linux 
distro's. I would love to be able to use it on my iPhone & iPad 

Regards

Jos Joslyn

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Re: Mobile device support?

[Alexandro Colorado]

IOS is not compatible with AOO, sorry.
-- 
Sent from my Nokia N900

On Mon Oct 21 16:15:32 2013 Keith Joslyn  wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> Is there any intention/willingness to develope/deploy a version of your
> great office application (OpenOffice). It has been my choice of office
> products since 'StarOffice' on OS/2. And I continue to use OpenOffice on
> my OSX & Linux distro's. I would love to be able to use it on my iPhone
> & iPad 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Jos Joslyn
> 
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Re: Downloads by Country (updated data)

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Mon Oct 21 16:09:37 2013 Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Misha Konoplitskiy
>  wrote:
> > Rob, i'm promoting Apache Open Office in Ukraine. Do you have an e-mail
> > list of companies which uses Open Office?
> > I want to automate its work and help with support.
> > 
> 
> Sorry, we don't have a database of OpenOffice users.     In the Sun days
> there was a user registration screen in the OpenOffice.org install
> wizard, but we have removed that screen and do not have access to that
> database.

The old bizdev site used to have a database of businesses using OOo around the 
world. However since the change to kenai the ods got lost. The html version 
could still be available on the legacy svn.

> But if you want to attract more Ukrainian volunteers, there are
> certainly things that can be done, like:
> 
> 1) Complete the UI translation into Ukrainian (already 84% done)
> 
> 2) Translate the key website pages (around 30 pages)
> 
> Maybe a good first step is to add text to this page:
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/ua/
> 
> We could put something like:
> 
> "Call for Volunteers!"
> 
> The Apache OpenOffice project is currently working on completing the
> translation of OpenOffice 4.0 into Ukrainian.   We will also make a
> Ukrainian-language website with useful information about OpenOffice.
> If you can help with these tasks we welcome all volunteers.   For more
> information write to l...@openoffice.apache.org".
> 
> If you can translate that into Ukrainian I can add this to the website.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
> -Rob
> 
> > Regards!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2013/10/21 Rob Weir 
> > 
> > > Updated table here:
> > > 
> > > http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html
> > > 
> > > The last update was in early August.
> > > 
> > > The top 10 has remained stable.   The first change in the table is at
> > > position #12, where Belgium overtook India for downloads.
> > > 
> > > But good news is that Brazil, India and Belgium have now each crossed
> > > the 1 million download mark, which makes them "Apache OpenOffice
> > > Superpowers" in my book ;-)
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > -Rob
> > > 
> > > -
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Re: Mobile device support?

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Keith Joslyn  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is there any intention/willingness to develope/deploy a version of your
> great office application (OpenOffice). It has been my choice of office
> products since 'StarOffice' on OS/2. And I continue to use OpenOffice on my
> OSX & Linux distro's. I would love to be able to use it on my iPhone & iPad
>
> Regards
>
> Jos Joslyn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
Hi Jos --

Please see our blog on this topic from earlier this year...question #9

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/?page=2


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Re: Mobile device support?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi Jos,

On 2013-10-21, at 17:15 , Keith Joslyn  wrote:

> Hi 
> 
> Is there any intention/willingness to develope/deploy a version of your great 
> office application (OpenOffice). It has been my choice of office products 
> since 'StarOffice' on OS/2. And I continue to use OpenOffice on my OSX & 
> Linux distro's. I would love to be able to use it on my iPhone & iPad 
> 

The short answer is "no": there is no evidence that the developers (and their 
companies) working on Apache OpenOffice are working on a mobile version of 
OpenOffice, which I understand to mean an editor of ODF format using more or 
less similar UI elements but somehow packed into an iOS frame. :-) (There is a 
viewer for, at least, iOS, for Symphony, which is Lotus Notes' notion of AOO. 
It's good.)

In fact, there are hardly any (perhaps zero) iOS ODF editors, at least none 
that is native. There are several that are not native clients; these use HTML5 
or the like and via a browser window (or similar) render OO on your mobile 
desktop. Those that work via the browser are probably equally usable on Android 
as on iOS, but one has to try things out.

As to the native client. I'm working with the creator of UX Write, a native iOS 
client for the iPad, to support ODF. He's keen on it, but wants to focus his 
resources on furthering the development of what UX Write does now, which is 
fully support MSFT formats, as well as other formats, and in a way that's 
rather good. If you want to help contribute to ODF support, please let him 
know. :-)

(Why is a native client desired and how is not the same as squeezing OO into 
the mobile? A native client would likely be faster and would work offline. And 
what is wanted is an ODF editor, with the same UI—or close enough; there are 
limitations at play here!—not the whole thing somehow shrunk down. The former 
is feasible, though it's not a trivial task by any means, and UX Write's 
solution is rather brilliant, but the latter is probably not even desirable, 
let alone feasible.)


> Regards
> 
> Jos Joslyn

best
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Re: Submission for consultants page

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 

> Received. Subject to lazy consensus as usual, we can add it to the 
> Consultants page in 72 hours.

In this Case unfortunately: -1

(But I do not know if I can vote here)


Sorry, but I think the website does not comply with the necessary formalities.

Always has been emphasized, these are marked on the relevant websites trademark 
of Apache, for example:

"IBM Support for Apache OpenOffice "

and not only:

"IBM Support for Apache OpenOffice"


See point 4 in:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html



Greetings,
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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Drew,
I've not tested this on my Chrome set up (VM install. of Chrome OS). But I'm 
fairly curious about the technology, and just wrote to the email alias provided 
by the quite anonymous developer(s).

There's a *large* market for a usable Android ODF editor. Usable for a mobile 
does not equate to AOO cramming AOO's UI down to size. :-/

Cheers
Louis

On 2013-10-21, at 15:40 , Drew Jensen  wrote:

> Thanks, I did not think AOO ran directly on the Nexus.
> 
> hmm - well, I checked the show site and they already posted the other items
> I heard mentioned form the weekend show, but nothing regarding this callers
> question.
> 
> I suppose it is worth an email to the show producer. Unfortunately I'm
> running short on time for today already, but I'll get that done and sent
> tomorrow and will cc the list.
> 
> //drew
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:06:31 -0400
>> Drew Jensen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Howdy,
>>> 
>>> For those who do not know who Kim Komando is, she hosts a rather
>> successful
>>> radio talk show dealing with digital consumer products.
>>> 
>>> This last weekend's show included a call in about speech recognition and
>>> OpenOffice, and the Nexus 7.
>>> 
>>> The host explained that they would be putting up a quick tutorial on
>> their
>>> website, www.komando.com/ , showing hot to hook this up on the Nexus 7.
>>> 
>>> So - does AOO actually run on a Nexus 7, I really don't know and if their
>>> is any known problems does anyone happen to have a contact with the show
>> so
>>> that we could help them put this together.
>>> 
>> There is a version at
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice
>> 
>> I installed this on my Nexus 7 some weeks ago; as far as I have  tried, it
>> works. But as my interest is writing I prefer to write/edit on a real
>> laptop/desktop, so haven't progressed very far with this version.
>> 
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell 
>> 
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Possible new open source program

[Afshin Karjoo]

Hello,
I was wondering if you would consider releasing an open source version of 
Microsoft Money that was stopped development in 2009. Having this available for 
multiple operating systems, especially Mac would be great since no good money 
software is available for Mac with the functionality of Microsoft money. 
Thank you for considering this in your future product lineup. 
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Afshin Karjoo
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Re: Submission for consultants page

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
>
>> Received. Subject to lazy consensus as usual, we can add it to the
>> Consultants page in 72 hours.
>
> In this Case unfortunately: -1
>
> (But I do not know if I can vote here)
>
>
> Sorry, but I think the website does not comply with the necessary formalities.
>
> Always has been emphasized, these are marked on the relevant websites 
> trademark of Apache, for example:
>
> "IBM Support for Apache OpenOffice "
>
> and not only:
>
> "IBM Support for Apache OpenOffice"
>

I think that would be more confusing.  It would suggest the entire
name was a trademark since it is a continuous name with capital
letters.

In the context of the page it makes full acknowledgement of where
Apache OpenOffice is from.  In fact it acknowledges this in the very
first sentence of the page:  "IBM Support for Apache OpenOffice offers
expert technical support for Apache OpenOffice, the open source office
software suite project from the Apache Software Foundation."  The page
also links back to www.openoffice.org.

>
> See point 4 in:
> http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html
>

You should read the linked Apache page for what respecting marks means:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/

Let me know if you see anything that does not comply with those requirements.

Regards,

-Rob

>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Ian Lynch]

Given the number of Android devices out there and growing I can see a time
where if its not editable there it won't be worth considering.


On 21 October 2013 23:18, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

> Drew,
> I've not tested this on my Chrome set up (VM install. of Chrome OS). But
> I'm fairly curious about the technology, and just wrote to the email alias
> provided by the quite anonymous developer(s).
>
> There's a *large* market for a usable Android ODF editor. Usable for a
> mobile does not equate to AOO cramming AOO's UI down to size. :-/
>
> Cheers
> Louis
>
> On 2013-10-21, at 15:40 , Drew Jensen  wrote:
>
> > Thanks, I did not think AOO ran directly on the Nexus.
> >
> > hmm - well, I checked the show site and they already posted the other
> items
> > I heard mentioned form the weekend show, but nothing regarding this
> callers
> > question.
> >
> > I suppose it is worth an email to the show producer. Unfortunately I'm
> > running short on time for today already, but I'll get that done and sent
> > tomorrow and will cc the list.
> >
> > //drew
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:06:31 -0400
> >> Drew Jensen  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>>
> >>> For those who do not know who Kim Komando is, she hosts a rather
> >> successful
> >>> radio talk show dealing with digital consumer products.
> >>>
> >>> This last weekend's show included a call in about speech recognition
> and
> >>> OpenOffice, and the Nexus 7.
> >>>
> >>> The host explained that they would be putting up a quick tutorial on
> >> their
> >>> website, www.komando.com/ , showing hot to hook this up on the Nexus
> 7.
> >>>
> >>> So - does AOO actually run on a Nexus 7, I really don't know and if
> their
> >>> is any known problems does anyone happen to have a contact with the
> show
> >> so
> >>> that we could help them put this together.
> >>>
> >> There is a version at
> >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice
> >>
> >> I installed this on my Nexus 7 some weeks ago; as far as I have  tried,
> it
> >> works. But as my interest is writing I prefer to write/edit on a real
> >> laptop/desktop, so haven't progressed very far with this version.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rory O'Farrell 
> >>
> >> -
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Re: Possible new open source program

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Afshin Karjoo  wrote:
> Hello,
> I was wondering if you would consider releasing an open source version of 
> Microsoft Money that was stopped development in 2009. Having this available 
> for multiple operating systems, especially Mac would be great since no good 
> money software is available for Mac with the functionality of Microsoft money.

Are you familiar with GnuCash?

http://www.gnucash.org/

-Rob


> Thank you for considering this in your future product lineup.
> Best Regards,
> Afshin Karjoo
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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:

> Thanks, I did not think AOO ran directly on the Nexus.
>
> hmm - well, I checked the show site and they already posted the other items
> I heard mentioned form the weekend show, but nothing regarding this callers
> question.
>
> I suppose it is worth an email to the show producer. Unfortunately I'm
> running short on time for today already, but I'll get that done and sent
> tomorrow and will cc the list.
>
> //drew
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:06:31 -0400
> > Drew Jensen  wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy,
> > >
> > > For those who do not know who Kim Komando is, she hosts a rather
> > successful
> > > radio talk show dealing with digital consumer products.
> > >
> > > This last weekend's show included a call in about speech recognition
> and
> > > OpenOffice, and the Nexus 7.
> > >
> > > The host explained that they would be putting up a quick tutorial on
> > their
> > > website, www.komando.com/ , showing hot to hook this up on the Nexus
> 7.
> > >
> > > So - does AOO actually run on a Nexus 7, I really don't know and if
> their
> > > is any known problems does anyone happen to have a contact with the
> show
> > so
> > > that we could help them put this together.
> > >
> > There is a version at
> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice
> >
> > I installed this on my Nexus 7 some weeks ago; as far as I have  tried,
> it
> > works. But as my interest is writing I prefer to write/edit on a real
> > laptop/desktop, so haven't progressed very far with this version.
> >
> > --
> > Rory O'Farrell 
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
>

Interesting in any case considering the requirements ...hmmm



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Re: Submission for consultants page

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

In the context of the page it makes full acknowledgement of where
Apache OpenOffice is from.


The page footer, or the last paragraph of the text, could still explain 
that Apache OpenOffice is a trademark of the Apache Software Foundation. 
This is not confusing to users and won't harm.


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Re: Submission for consultants page

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] 

> >
> > Sorry, but I think the website does not comply with the 
> necessary formalities.
> >
> > Always has been emphasized, these are marked on the 
> relevant websites trademark of Apache, for example:
> >
> > "IBM Support for Apache OpenOffice "
> >
> > and not only:
> >
> > "IBM Support for Apache OpenOffice"
> >
> 
> I think that would be more confusing. 

Sorry, but appearance is imho not so much the issue here, but rather trademark 
rights of Apache. 
Yes, that is formal, but how else should this be handled?

> It would suggest the entire
> name was a trademark since it is a continuous name with capital
> letters.

It does not have to be in the headline. Put identification in continuous text, 
for example in:

"IBM® Support for Apache OpenOffice™ offers expert technical support for Apache 
OpenOffice™, ..."

where IBM is already marked with ®.




Greetings,
Jörg



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Re: Downloads by Country (updated data)

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> On Mon Oct 21 16:09:37 2013 Rob Weir  wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Misha Konoplitskiy
> >  wrote:
> > > Rob, i'm promoting Apache Open Office in Ukraine. Do you have an e-mail
> > > list of companies which uses Open Office?
> > > I want to automate its work and help with support.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, we don't have a database of OpenOffice users. In the Sun days
> > there was a user registration screen in the OpenOffice.org install
> > wizard, but we have removed that screen and do not have access to that
> > database.
>
> The old bizdev site used to have a database of businesses using OOo around
> the world. However since the change to kenai the ods got lost. The html
> version could still be available on the legacy svn.
>

That old ods doc is in the original archive we brought over  in Sept, 2011
if anyone wants it or thinks it should be re-uploaded to the website for
posterity. I'll be happy to do that.

Also, if you use the Way Back machine, you can find information for the old
"bizdev" project.


> > But if you want to attract more Ukrainian volunteers, there are
> > certainly things that can be done, like:
> >
> > 1) Complete the UI translation into Ukrainian (already 84% done)
> >
> > 2) Translate the key website pages (around 30 pages)
> >
> > Maybe a good first step is to add text to this page:
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/ua/
> >
> > We could put something like:
> >
> > "Call for Volunteers!"
> >
> > The Apache OpenOffice project is currently working on completing the
> > translation of OpenOffice 4.0 into Ukrainian.   We will also make a
> > Ukrainian-language website with useful information about OpenOffice.
> > If you can help with these tasks we welcome all volunteers.   For more
> > information write to l...@openoffice.apache.org".
> >
> > If you can translate that into Ukrainian I can add this to the website.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > > Regards!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/10/21 Rob Weir 
> > >
> > > > Updated table here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html
> > > >
> > > > The last update was in early August.
> > > >
> > > > The top 10 has remained stable.   The first change in the table is at
> > > > position #12, where Belgium overtook India for downloads.
> > > >
> > > > But good news is that Brazil, India and Belgium have now each crossed
> > > > the 1 million download mark, which makes them "Apache OpenOffice
> > > > Superpowers" in my book ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > -Rob
> > > >
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help for "bundled help"

[Kay Schenk]

Maybe it's time we broached the subject of  the "bundled" help with Apache
OpenOffice once again.

There was actually some initial movement on this topic when this project
was first set-up at Apache:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Application+Help

in July of 2011. (I've recently added what I know.)

And, there have been a few threads concerning it both on the "doc" list and
here on "dev".

Recently, I decided to take a look at what's involved with the "bundled"
help -- creating a new page, editing an old section, etc. -- and was really
stymied by the only document we seem to have on it, even with the
integrated "Help Authoring" macro (thank you Juergen).

So, what are our thoughts at this point?  Keep in mind that this is a part
of the actual product.

Should we *try* to migrate to something else? Or, if that is simply not
feasible, work toward some better/simpler instructions for how to deal with
the current system?


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Re: help for "bundled help"

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:57:48PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Should we *try* to migrate to something else?

The Help is available for extension developers [1], "something else"
would mean an incompatible change, and any incompatible change should
wait until AOO 5; of course, that "else" could be backwards compatible
during AOO4 lifetime, but this would overcomplicate development (besides
that "something else" means writing new code and somebody has to do
this).

[1] 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensions/Help_Content


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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

[imacat]

於 2013年10月22日 02:37, janI 提到:
> On 21 October 2013 18:39, Tony Stevenson  wrote:
> 
>> Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 06:27:50PM +0200:
>>> Tony Stevenson wrote:
 Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
> Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
> the warning.
 The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
 Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.
>>>
>>> OK, thank you! It seems that in the end interruption of service was
>>> minimal. I've removed the note from the home page. Of course, for
>>> the next maintenance operations, including the forum, please give us
>>> some more time to inform users.
>>
>> Of course we will, in fact we gave you the best we could today given the
>> circumstances we found ourselved in.
>>
>> The forum move will need to have as many tables as possible converted
>> from ISAM to inno. This is critical, as we only run MySQL 5.5 and will
>> not be install 5.6 anytime soon, as a result all fields that require
>> full text search enabling need to keep that table in ISAM.
>>
>> JanIV did this already for other DBs and he should be consulted on how
>> to do this. It is likely this will be a many hour operation and is a
>> pre-requisite.  I dont wan't to force a date on the community to have
>> this done by, but we need to action this ASAP. To prevent further issues
>> to other VMs on the same host as forums.
>>
>> Can I please ask that if we do not hear any offers of support to help us
>> convert these tables by Weds this week that Infra will set a date (with n
>> days notice) and do the work ourselves.
>>
> 
> Imacat (admin) has responded to my question if help is wanted, answer was
> that it would be be fine if infra does it (like me) and offered to help.
> 
> If we think along these lines, my plan would be the following:

You can ignore me if my help is not needed.  But, still,

> 1) Thursday evening (16-22 UTC), I wil combine the single forum databases
> into the EN database. This will mean short breaks on the single forum,
> about 10min each (to copy the tables).
>  If time permits, I will convert the FULLTEXT back to MyIsam.

That's 0-6 UTC+8 here.  I have works on Friday.  I can stay up to at
most 19 UTC (3 UTC+8), but not after that.

And what do you mean by "combining short forum databases into the EN
databases"?  So we will only have EN database in the future?

> 2) Friday morning (8-11 UTC) I will convert tables. This happens online,
> and only means slow system while I do it.

That is 16-19 UTC+8.  Normally I would be stuck in the traffic going
home at this time on Fridays, but I could stay in the office if necessary.

> 3) Friday afternoon (15 UTC, depending on pctony), we can take the forums
> down for approx 2hours to move the databases.

That would be perfect for me.

And also, please add the date (10/24, 10/25).  It's confusing to
guess if Friday is 10/25 or 11/1.  (And normally I would bet on 11/1 as
10/25 is very close.)

> 
> In order to finalize the database changes Thursday and move friday, we need
> someone with access to all forums to help with the test.
> 
> Could this be an acceptable plan ?  The time is needed, but if preferred I
> can do it friday or saturday evening instead (depending on pctony).
> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> This is now impacting other services and needs to be resolved ASAP, please.
>>
>> FWIW the total downtime was 11 minutes.  Which is pretty fast
>> considering all the changes that had to be incorporated.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>   Andrea.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2013-10-21, at 18:28 , Ian Lynch  wrote:

> Given the number of Android devices out there and growing I can see a time
> where if its not editable there it won't be worth considering.

That time is now.
Louis



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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Fernando Cassia]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:

> Given the number of Android devices out there and growing I can see a time
> where if its not editable there it won't be worth considering.
>

I think it's worth educationg consumers that "tablet form factor" does not
necessarily mean "Android OS on a ARM CPU."

I'm using a MSI Windpad 110W with 10" screen and AMD Fusion CPU/GPU (APU).
I can run any darn x86 OS I want on it, Win7, Ubuntu Linux, Fedora Linux,
FreeBSD.

There are many other x86 tablets with CPUs from AMD and Intel.
Why people continue restricting themselves to ARM/Android devices (besides
50%+ lower cost) when they could have the power of a full laptop on a
tablet form factor is beyond me...

FC


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Re: Downloads by Country (updated data)

[Siva]

The reach is surprising.

> On October 21, 2013 at 4:11
> PM Rob Weir
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Updated table here:
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html
> 
> The last update was in early
> August.
> 
> The top 10 has remained
> stable.  The first change in
> the table is at
> position #12, where Belgium
> overtook India for
> downloads.
> 
> But good news is that
> Brazil, India and Belgium
> have now each crossed
> the 1 million download mark,
> which makes them "Apache
> OpenOffice
> Superpowers" in my book ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
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