Re: [digitalradio] MT63
Dave Season's Greetings How about at 0230 for six days begging tomorrow at 7034.8 KHz long path 500/16 MT63 73 Omar YK1AO - Original Message - From: Dave To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [digitalradio] MT63 I am looking for some folks that work MT63. What are the popular frequencies (I have a General ticket) and times of day? Are there any nets?ThanksDave, K7PDW Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
Dave, I would think that using signal detection techniques would solve that issue. We have been experimenting with them lately and yes, there is work to be done, but that is what this is all about. Steve, k4cjx --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I responded to most of this in my previous post. > > The ARRL proposal will allow remotely-controlled automatic operation > everywhere. If its adopted, I assume that message passing services > will rush to escape the current automatic sub-bands; you confirmed > this in your previous post. I agree that most will use wider digital > modes, which may indeed reduce QRM to PSK and RTTY operations. But > the potential for conflict between attended and remotely-controlled > automatic stations will greatly increase. > >73, > >Dave, AA6YQ > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > I did reply to another message you posted. It covers this subject > for > > the most part. However, tell me that the hidden transmitter effect > > does not play a role in contests, when all reason seems to > stop..and > > by agreement for most. > > > > Specifically when and where is your conflict with automatic > > controlled stations, currently. I mean not in concept, but on the > > bands? Where is your conflict with stations under local and > remote > > control? I note that you are talking about FEC(maybe) narrow band > > protocols at typing speeds being interfered with by high speed > data > > transfer. Won't the current band plan eliminate that issue? > > > > > > > > Steve, k4cjx > > > > > > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Today, US amateurs must comply with the allocation scheme set > forth > > > in part 97, and there are meaningful penalties for violation. > This > > > doesn't prevent mistakes -- which I agree occur every day -- but > > > does an excellent job of discouraging longterm, willful > violation. > > > > > > There is also a voluntary component to HF operation. CW, RTTY, > PSK, > > > MFSK, and other digital mode operators have evolved defacto sub- > > > bands, and co-exist effectively even where subbands are shared > > > between modes. A critical ingredient to this cooperation is the > > fact > > > that most QSOs are between attended stations. If I'm looking to > > call > > > CQ PSK63 on 14073.5, I'll make sure that frequency is clear > before > > > calling; if there's an MFSK QSO already in progress there, I > won't > > > call. > > > > > > In contrast, voluntary cooperation has not resolved the conflict > > > between attended stations and automatic stations controlled by a > > > remote station. As has been discussed here frequently, the > hidden > > > transmitter effect allows an automatic station to QRM an ongoing > > QSO > > > whose signals aren't being heard by its controlling station. It > is > > > important to note that, despite the FCC's explicit expectation > when > > > it approved HF automatic operation in 1995, available techniques > > > that would reduce hidden transmitter QRM have not been deployed. > > > > > > At present, the use of remotely controlled automatic stations is > > > constrained by 97.221: if the bandwidth is greater than 500 hz, > > > operation is confined to specified subbands. The ARRL's proposal > > > eliminates the 97.221 limits on remotely controlled automatic > > > stations. Pactor III, for example, would be legal in any part of > > any > > > 3 kHz segment -- whether attended, or remotely controlled. If > the > > > ARRL proposal is adopted, the currently unresolved conflict > between > > > attended and remotely controlled automatic stations will > escalate > > as > > > message-passing networks expand to meet the growing demand for > > their > > > services. > > > > > > To address this conflict and others, the ARRL's proposal > includes a > > > stipulation that the League "will promptly undertake a procedure > to > > > establish a band plan to be utilized with the proposed subband > > > allocation petition, and, until such time as that band plan is > in > > > place, the existing band plan will be in force." This quote is > > taken > > > from http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2005-arlb017.html . > > > > > > The ARRL's existing band plan has been obsolete for years. > Besides > > > ignoring not-so-recent developments like PSK, it makes no > attempt > > to > > > resolve the conflict between attended and remotely controlled > > > automatic operation. Despite the widespread concern expressed > over > > > its proposed elimination of constraints on remotely controlled > > > automatic operation, the ARRL has not seen fit to provide a > > > prototype band plan that would illustrate how this conflict > might > > be > > > resolved, or to describ
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > I am not as confident about predicting the demise of Amateur radio > as you are in your comments below. > > >>>I have not predicted the demise of amateur radio. I have > predicted that approval of the ARRL proposal will increase the > conflict between attended and remotely-controlled automatic > stations. If left unchecked, this will certainly increase > frustration levels, and probably lead to increased sales of > amplifiers and beams.From k4cjx: What resists, persists. If I get a beam and amp and you get a beam and amp, we are right back where we started, right? Best to work it out as has been the case with every other mode of operation (AM vs. SSB, etc.) There is only conflict if you allow conflict. Band segmentation by types of operation or protocol can certainly take place without it being law. That is certainly done today, and successfully.> > First of all, the 1995 FCC comments are 1995 FCC comments, although, > I do agree that stations under automatic control should be in a > specific place, but I do not agree that it should be hardcoded in > formal regulation. > > >>>My point is that in 1995, the FCC made clear its expectation that > amateurs would resolve the conflicts between attended and automatic > operation. The technology has been developed, but it has not been > deployed: hardly a testimonial to our readiness to expand the co-> existence between attended and remote-controlled automatic operation.> > I was partially responsible through the Amateur Radio Digital > Society for making the sub-bands happen. That was great until it > wasn't. Look how long it has taken to get around to making some > adjustments to our bands. Not good. > > >>>The regulation I have suggested would only confine automatic > operation to subbands when the protocols used were incapable of > detecting busy frequencies, and incapable of detecting a universal > QRL. The both incentivizes protocol improvement, and eliminates any > need for future regulatory changes. "Polite" protocols would not be > confined.From k4cjx: You can write in your comments about "polite protocols" and while you are at it, also make sure that we include contest weekends, okay? Let's set a separate hardcoded segement for those who work contests. Where do you think these separate segements should be? We would want them hardcoded, too? Perhaps we should designate another 5 KHz on 40 meters for all protocols during contests when they become "impolite modes"?> > > You asked for my specific FCC quotes. I did not post their more > recent comments since I had posted them on several occasions in the > past, but here they are:> > >snip<> > >>>Nothing in those quotes can be construed as "the current > voluntary segments work for all", as you claimed in your post.From k4cjx: I claim that the FCC is suggesting Voluntary band planning. In their FCC Order for RM-10740, 11/2004, they describe how they visualize the domestic Amateur radio spectrum should be regulated:"Voluntary band planning allows amateur stations that desire to pursue different operating activities to pursue these activities by dividing or segmenting the amateur service spectrum. Voluntary band planning also allows the amateur service community the flexibility to 'reallocate' the amateur service spectrum among operating interests as new operating interests and technologies emerge or operating interests and technologies fall into disfavor."From k4cjx Seems faily clear to me. I think that they are dead-on.> > Dave, exactly, when in the recent past, were you QRMed by a Winlink > station under Local or remote control? Please provide your times > and dates and frequencies so I can provide my information.> > >>>Over the years, I have been QRM'd on many occasions by Pactor > signals, primarily on the 40m band. Until obtaining an SCS modem > last year, however, I was incapable of decoding a callsign, or > attempting to convey that the frequency was already in use. Since > then, I have been QRM'd on two occasions, but in both cases took > minutes to switch from soundcard RTTY to the SCS modem; by the time > I was QRV Pactor, the offender was gone. I have been extending > WinWarbler and Commander to reduce the switchover time.From k4cjx: dave, I cannot answer about "Pactor" stations, but I can answer about Winlink 2000 local and remote controlled stations, which as you know are ALL initiated by a live human being control operator, who must be present to do this initiation. They ALL use Airmail, and that means they are all forced to provide an FEC ID of their station and the station they called. It is mandatory and embedded in the Airmail code for over three years now. Prior to this, they provided a CW ID. > > My belief is that when the problem gets to be a problem, signal > detection technigues similar to those used in the
[digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable . The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables are not sold. Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a common color code system for the individual wires in the cable? I'm thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to the one that has the broken connector. Andy K3UK Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
Trying to think how to handle that Andy, and I would simply cut around (not through) the monitors cable at the far end, remove one pin at a time and move that wire over to a new connector. You should be able to do that one at a time, looking where the old pin was, and mathcing with the new one. Or you could do it by "megging"one wire on the back of the old connector and finding its other end on the other side of that connector. The first way would be easiest, since you have to remove them anyway. Danny - Original Message - From: "obrienaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable? > My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable . > The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the > inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables > are not sold. Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a > common color code system for the individual wires in the cable? I'm > thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to > the one that has the broken connector. > > Andy K3UK > > > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Other areas of interest: > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
Hello Andy, I have replaced monitor cables in the past. Just get out a ohm meter and buzz the existing cable out and write down on piece of paper the color for each pin. Do the same thing on the new cable. Swap the cable out. I found color coding different on the ones I have repaired. Wire in the new cable. 73 Gry WB6BNE - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable? My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable . The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables are not sold. Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a common color code system for the individual wires in the cable? I'm thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to the one that has the broken connector. Andy K3UK Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
Yes, I agree. Such techniques already exist, as you have pointed out, but are not exploited by today's message passing software. To encourage the deployment of these techniques, I am suggesting that protocols failing to exploit them be confined to subbands, while protocols that do exploit them be given free reign (subject only to bandwidth constraints, as would be all other signals). 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave, > > I would think that using signal detection techniques would solve that > issue. We have been experimenting with them lately and yes, there is > work to be done, but that is what this is all about. > > Steve, k4cjx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
Hi Andy, I would be more than happy to do some looking around for you on that wiring sceme. I am disabled here so I have the time. I need to know what type monitor and the make of it. Size is not too important but , whatever information you can give will help to narroe the search for info. Best regards Robin n1zw - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable? My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable . The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables are not sold. Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a common color code system for the individual wires in the cable? I'm thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to the one that has the broken connector.Andy K3UK Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
I can agree with that idea too Danny, very good suggestion at least that way there would be no guessing. Robin n1zw - Original Message - From: Danny Douglas To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable? Trying to think how to handle that Andy, and I would simply cut around (notthrough) the monitors cable at the far end, remove one pin at a time andmove that wire over to a new connector. You should be able to do that oneat a time, looking where the old pin was, and mathcing with the new one. Oryou could do it by "megging"one wire on the back of the old connector andfinding its other end on the other side of that connector. The first waywould be easiest, since you have to remove them anyway.Danny- Original Message - From: "obrienaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:11 AMSubject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?> My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable .> The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the> inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables> are not sold. Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a> common color code system for the individual wires in the cable? I'm> thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to> the one that has the broken connector.>> Andy K3UK> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/>> Other areas of interest:> The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/>> Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free linkbelow> http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html>> Yahoo! Groups Links -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Help with my digital set up.
Many thanks for letting me join up. The looks like one of the more knowledgeable groups for the use of all sort of didgital mode. I am not as smart as I thought I was, when it come to setting up my system.. Let me first give you a layout of what I am running. Transiever: Yaesu FT100-D Antenna: All-Band Dipole Turner MFJ-941E Interface: SignaLink SL-1+ Source of interface connection, VIA cable to radios DATA plug Computer: Home Built ASUS MB, W/AMD processer Sound Card: Sound Blaster Model SB0410, 24 bit Software: MixW-2.16 Well there you have it. Now I will just start out with a few of my most troublesome problems. I am having a hard time of setting up according to interface insturctions. Some times I can set up my playback to adjust the power out put. And then next day I won't have hardly any power out put. Frustrating... I also have found it hard to tune different bands and keep the power in check. I have found that through trial and error that if I use my AFSK LEVEL control I can adjust the power out put. Also when I do get my power up to 30 watts, everthing greater produces very radical incress in power, and looks like I am working with 1000% modulation. Really makes my tunner meter jump like it has hot peppers in it.. Well for now, I well sure enjoy see what can be made out of my rambling. 73's and Happy New Year, Jim N7VLM Casper Wyoming Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Help with my digital set up.
-Jim, a common problem for a couple of my rookie friends was that they were trying to transmit at the far edges of their radio's passband, thus the low output. Make sure that in MixW the place you are transmitting is around 1500 Hz (in the waterfall). That may fix the problem. You can use Mixw's "align" command to easily shift a received signal to the 1500 Hz setting. Once set, I have never had to adjust the soundcard levels in Mixw. Andy K3UK -- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Jim " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Many thanks for letting me join up. The looks like one of the more > knowledgeable groups for the use of all sort of didgital mode. > > I am not as smart as I thought I was, when it come to setting up my > system.. Let me first give you a layout of what I am running. > > Transiever: Yaesu FT100-D > Antenna: All-Band Dipole > Turner MFJ-941E > Interface: SignaLink SL-1+ > Source of interface connection, VIA cable to radios DATA plug > Computer: Home Built ASUS MB, W/AMD processer > Sound Card: Sound Blaster Model SB0410, 24 bit > Software: MixW-2.16 > > Well there you have it. Now I will just start out with a few of my > most troublesome problems. > > I am having a hard time of setting up according to interface > insturctions. Some times I can set up my playback to adjust the > power out put. And then next day I won't have hardly any power out > put. Frustrating... I also have found it hard to tune different > bands and keep the power in check. I have found that through trial > and error that if I use my AFSK LEVEL control I can adjust the power > out put. Also when I do get my power up to 30 watts, everthing > greater produces very radical incress in power, and looks like I am > working with 1000% modulation. Really makes my tunner meter jump > like it has hot peppers in it.. > > Well for now, I well sure enjoy see what can be made out of my > rambling. > > 73's and Happy New Year, > Jim N7VLM > Casper Wyoming > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Help with my digital set up.
I Believe that your are very correct in that being one of the major problems with newbies (and some oldbies as well). Peronally, I have checked my own soundcards and find that I must set them around 1000 HZ, as if I get up as high as 1500cy, they no longer work with full output. I did a test with min, clicking every 100 cy from one end to the other of the waterfall, and there is a very decided drop-off at each end. Find where they drop off occurs at each end of the waterfall , then choose a location somewhere in the middle between those marks, and you will be good to go. - Original Message - From: "obrienaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Help with my digital set up. > -Jim, a common problem for a couple of my rookie friends was that > they were trying to transmit at the far edges of their radio's > passband, thus the low output. Make sure that in MixW the place you > are transmitting is around 1500 Hz (in the waterfall). That may fix > the problem. You can use Mixw's "align" command to easily shift a > received signal to the 1500 Hz setting. > > > > Once set, I have never had to adjust the soundcard levels in Mixw. > > Andy K3UK > > -- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Jim " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Many thanks for letting me join up. The looks like one of the more > > knowledgeable groups for the use of all sort of didgital mode. > > > > I am not as smart as I thought I was, when it come to setting up > my > > system.. Let me first give you a layout of what I am running. > > > > Transiever: Yaesu FT100-D > > Antenna: All-Band Dipole > > Turner MFJ-941E > > Interface: SignaLink SL-1+ > > Source of interface connection, VIA cable to radios DATA plug > > Computer: Home Built ASUS MB, W/AMD processer > > Sound Card: Sound Blaster Model SB0410, 24 bit > > Software: MixW-2.16 > > > > Well there you have it. Now I will just start out with a few of my > > most troublesome problems. > > > > I am having a hard time of setting up according to interface > > insturctions. Some times I can set up my playback to adjust the > > power out put. And then next day I won't have hardly any power out > > put. Frustrating... I also have found it hard to tune different > > bands and keep the power in check. I have found that through trial > > and error that if I use my AFSK LEVEL control I can adjust the > power > > out put. Also when I do get my power up to 30 watts, everthing > > greater produces very radical incress in power, and looks like I > am > > working with 1000% modulation. Really makes my tunner meter jump > > like it has hot peppers in it.. > > > > Well for now, I well sure enjoy see what can be made out of my > > rambling. > > > > 73's and Happy New Year, > > Jim N7VLM > > Casper Wyoming > > > > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Other areas of interest: > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
+++ AA6YQ comments --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From k4cjx: What resists, persists. If I get a beam and amp and you get a beam and amp, we are right back where we started, right? Best to work it out as has been the case with every other mode of operation (AM vs. SSB, etc.) There is only conflict if you allow conflict. Band segmentation by types of operation or protocol can certainly take place without it being law. That is certainly done today, and successfully. +++I agree. We can reduce the conflict between attended and remotely- controlled automatic operation by requiring the protocols used for remote control to check for a clear frequency before transmitting, and to respond appropriately to a QRL signal. This should make this a prequisite for the unconstrained use of remote control protocols. Attended stations must follow these rules; it is entirely reasonable to require remotely-controlled stations to do likewise -- or be constrained to subbands if they cannot. >From k4cjx: You can write in your comments about "polite protocols" and while you are at it, also make sure that we include contest weekends, okay? Let's set a separate hardcoded segement for those who work contests. Where do you think these separate segements should be? We would want them hardcoded, too? Perhaps we should designate another 5 KHz on 40 meters for all protocols during contests when they become "impolite modes"? ++The unfortunate fact that there are "impolite" contesters is no excuse for permitting impolite remote control protocols. Our goal should be to improve the quality of operation on our bands; using examples of bad attended operating practice to justify bad remote- control operating practice is the path to chaos, Steve. >From k4cjx: I claim that the FCC is suggesting Voluntary band planning. >>>Yes, they are. But suggesting voluntary band planning is far different than saying "what we have now works well", which was your original claim. >From k4cjx: dave, I cannot answer about "Pactor" stations, but I can answer about Winlink 2000 local and remote controlled stations, which as you know are ALL initiated by a live human being control operator, who must be present to do this initiation. They ALL use Airmail, and that means they are all forced to provide an FEC ID of their station and the station they called. It is mandatory and embedded in the Airmail code for over three years now. Prior to this, they provided a CW ID. >>>I do not expect you to answer for all Pactor stations. I have been careful to not equate "QRM from Pactor stations" with "QRM from Winlink", although in several cases I was operating on or near a PMBO frequency when QRM'd, and to my ear the "pattern" sounded like a Winlink connection sequence. As you know, I have on occasion used Winlink. >>>None of the soundcard software I typically use can decode an FEC ID any more than it can decode Pactor. Shifting away from a CW ID was a mistake, as it effectively concealed the QSO from most operators. >>>The fact that there's a live human operator at the controlling station does not prevent the remotely controlled station from QRMing an QSO that the controlling station cannot hear, as has been pointed out here on innumerable occasions. >From k4cjx: Dave, next time you hear a major pileup on CW or SSB, just jump right in the middle and make the claim, "frequency in use," and watch them ALL just fade away until you are finished. When they don't hear you or don't care, you can write all their calls down as intentional interferenence and turn them into the FCC. When the FCC cites them, they can claim that the "hidden transmitter effect" was in effect. >>>If a group of stations is already using a frequency, and I jump in with "frequency in use", I would not expect them to QSY, nor would their continued operation be intentional interference. Whatever point you're trying to make here eludes me, Steve. >>>There have been situations where I'm using a frequency, a DX station that I can't hear calls CQ on that frequency, and DXers that I can hear appear. If I've got good propagation with the station with whom I'm in QSO, then I'll generally agree to QSY; if not, I'll ask the DXers to hold off until I'm finished, and try to finish expeditiously. Does this always work? No, but it often works, and its the way its supposed to work. Any software we write to automate station operation should strive to improve operating standards, not allow them to further degrade! >>>Who will decide whether the alotted band segment is "reasonable"? >From k4cjx: Demand will decide. You don't find us all over the bands where we have the capability of being just like you do not find CW all over the bands. Read what the FCC says about voluntary band planning again. If you allow them to hard code such a segment and considering where they want Amateur r
[digitalradio] Happy New Year to all
Happy New Year to all on this group, thanks for a successful year in discussing digital modes. Thanks to John W0JAB for helping me with this busy list. Peace to all in 2006. Andy K3UK Owner/Moderator. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the Part 97.221 sub- bands. Why would they use these frequencies? Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. Not good considering we have purposely crammed ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current regulatory envrinment. Regarding signal detection, we are totally rebuilding the PMBO into an "RMS" or radio message server. It will include much more than Pactor as things develop. Where possible, we intend to use such technigues until we are taken advanage of by those who do not. Steve, k4cjx Steve, k4cjx --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I agree. > > Such techniques already exist, as you have pointed out, but are not > exploited by today's message passing software. To encourage the > deployment of these techniques, I am suggesting that protocols > failing to exploit them be confined to subbands, while protocols > that do exploit them be given free reign (subject only to bandwidth > constraints, as would be all other signals). > > 73, > >Dave, AA6YQ > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > I would think that using signal detection techniques would solve > that > > issue. We have been experimenting with them lately and yes, there > is > > work to be done, but that is what this is all about. > > > > Steve, k4cjx > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Happy New Year to all
Thanks Andy. Let me just add a thanks to the members of DigitalRadio for such a good year also. John, WØJAB co-moderator At 03:10 PM 12/31/05 -0500, you wrote: > >Happy New Year to all on this group, thanks for a successful year in >discussing digital modes. > >Thanks to John W0JAB for helping me with this busy list. > >Peace to all in 2006. > >Andy K3UK >Owner/Moderator. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] SARTG New Year RTTY Contest
SARTG New Year RTTY Contest Sponsored by theScandinavian Amateur Radio Teleprinter Group January 1st 2006 Contest Period: 0800 - 1100 UTC Bands: 80 and 40 m. Classes: A: Single Operator/All Band B: Multi Operator/Single TX/All Band C: SWL/All Band NOTE: DX spotting and alerting assistance is permitted in all classes. Modes: RTTY only. Exchanges: RST + QSO number, starting with 001 + name + "Happy New Year" in your native language. Abbrevations like "HNY" are not allowed. QSO Points: One (1) point per QSO. Same station can be worked once on each band. Multipliers: Each DXCC country on each band except Scandinavia and each prefix-figure in Scandinavia (SM1, SM2, LA1, LA2...) will count as one (1) multiplier on each band. Scandinavia include: JW, JX, LA, OH, OHØ, OJØ, OX, OY, OZ, SM and TF. Scoring: Sum of QSO points x sum of multipliers = TOTAL SCORE. Awards: To the top five stations in each class and to winners in each country if the number of QSOs is reasonable. Logs: Use separate log sheets for each band. Log must show: BAND, DATE/TIME(UTC), CALLSIGN, EXCHANGE MESSAGE SENT and RECEIVED, MULTIPLIERS, and QSO points. Exception; received "HAPPY NEW YEAR" messages do not need to be in log, but your sent "HAPPY NEW YEAR" message must be noted somewhere in the log. Summary sheet must show scoring, class, your callsign, name and address. Multi-Op stations must show the callsign and names of all operators involved. Your comments will be very much appreciated. Logs Deadline: Logs must be received by January 31 to qualify. Mail logs to: SARTG Contest ManagerEwe Håkansson, SM7BHMPilspetsvagen 4SE-291 66 KRISTIANSTADSWEDEN or send as E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
Did same thing about 5 years ago. the fine folks that made the monitor send a new cable "free" to boot. at the time the monitor was already about 6 or 7years old. At 04:11 PM 12/31/05 +, you wrote: >My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable . >The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the >inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables >are not sold. Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a >common color code system for the individual wires in the cable? I'm >thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to >the one that has the broken connector. > >Andy K3UK > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] SARTG New Year RTTY Contest
This contest requires Happy New Year in your native language as part of the exchange, so brown: phonetical transcription AFRIKAANS gelukkige nuwejaar ALBANIAN Gëzuar vitin e ri ALSATIAN e glëckliches nëies / güets nëies johr ARABIC aam saiid / sana saiida ARMENIAN shnorhavor nor tari AZERI yeni iliniz mubarek BAMBARA bonne année BASQUE urte berri on BELARUSIAN З новым годам (Z novym hodam) BENGALI subho nababarsho BERBER asgwas amegas BETI mbembe mbu BOBO bonne année BOSNIAN sretna nova godina BRETON bloavez mat BULGARIAN честита нова година (chestita nova godina) BIRMAN hnit thit ku mingalar pa CANTONESE kung hé fat tsoi CATALAN bon any nou CHINESE xin nièn kuai le / xin nièn hao CORSICAN pace e salute CROAT sretna nova godina CZECH ťastný nový rok DANISH godt nytår DUTCH gelukkig Nieuwjaar ESPERANTO felicxan novan jaron feliæan novan jaron (Times SudEuro font) ESTONIAN head uut aastat FAROESE gott nýggjár FINNISH onnellista uutta vuotta FLEMISH gelukkig Nieuwjaar FRENCH bonne année FRIULAN bon an GALICIAN feliz aninovo GEORGIAN gilotsavt aral tsels GERMAN ein gutes neues Jahr / prost Neujahr GREEK kali chronia / kali xroniaeutichismenos o kainourgios chronos (we wish you a happy new year) GUARANÍ rogüerohory año nuévo-re HAITIAN CREOLE bònn ané HAWAIIAN hauoli makahiki hou HEBREW shana tova HINDI nav varsh ki subhkamna HUNGARIAN boldog új évet ICELANDIC farsælt komandi ár INDONESIAN selamat tahun baru IRISH GAELIC ath bhliain faoi mhaise ITALIAN felice anno nuovo, buon anno JAPANESE akemashite omedetô KABYLIAN asseguèsse-ameguèsse KANNADA hosa varshada shubhaashayagalu KHMER sur sdei chhnam thmei KIRUNDI umwaka mwiza KOREAN seh heh bok mani bat uh seyo KURDE sala we ya nû pîroz be LAO sabai di pi mai LATIN felix sit annus novus LATVIAN laimīgo Jauno gadu LINGALA bonana / mbula ya sika elamu na tonbeli yo LITHUANIAN laimingų Naujųjų Metų LOW SAXON gelükkig nyjaar LUXEMBOURGEOIS e gudd neit Joër MACEDONIAN srekna nova godina MALAGASY arahaba tratry ny taona MALAY selamat tahun baru MALTESE sena gdida mimlija risq MAORI kia hari te tau hou MONGOLIAN shine jiliin bayariin mend hurgeye (Шинэ жилийн баярын мэнд хvргэе) MORÉ wênd na kô-d yuum-songo NORWEGIAN godt nytt år OCCITAN bon annada PERSIAN sâle no mobârak POLISH szczęśliwego nowego roku PORTUGUESE feliz ano novo ROMANI bangi vasilica baxt ROMANIAN un an nou fericit / la mulţi ani RUSSIAN С Новым Годом (S novim godom) SAMOAN ia manuia le tausaga fou SANGO nzoni fini ngou SARDINIAN bonu annu nou SCOTTISH GAELIC bliadhna mhath ur SERBIAN srecna nova godina SHONA goredzwa rakanaka SINDHI nain saal joon wadhayoon SLOVAK stastlivy novy rok SLOVENIAN srečno novo leto SOBOTA dobir leto SPANISH feliz año nuevo SWAHILI mwaka mzuri SWEDISH gott nytt år SWISS-GERMAN äs guets Nöis TAGALOG manigong bagong taon TAHITIAN ia ora te matahiti api TAMIL iniya puthandu nalVazhthukkal TATAR yana yel belen TELUGU nuthana samvathsara subhakankshalu THAI สวัสดีปีใหม่ (sawatdii pimaï) TIBETAN tashi délek TURKISH yeni yiliniz kutlu olsun UDMURT Vyľ Aren UKRAINIAN Z novym rokom URDU naya saal mubarik VIETNAMESE Chúc Mừng Nǎm Mới / Cung Chúc Tân Niên / Cung Chúc Tân Xuân WALOON ("betchfessîs" spelling) bone annéye / bone annéye èt bone santéye WELSH blwyddyn newydd dda WEST INDIAN CREOLE bon lanné YIDDISH a gut yohr - Original Message - From: Andrew J. O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: [digitalradio] SARTG New Year RTTY Contest SARTG New Year RTTY Contest
[digitalradio] RTTY software question
Last night I was on 40 meters after loading my CQ tape into the TD a 8 station answered. Here is where it all started down hill. Since his mark tone was right on frequency but the space tone was way out in the weeds some place. It also seems that hit system did not send a CR LF till about 100 letters while the type box makes a black square on the right hand edge of the paper. My question is what is the shift that these RTTY program use and can you adjust the point the CR LF added? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question
170 Hz and Yes, at my station.On 12/31/05, John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My question is what is the shift that these RTTY programuse and can you adjust the point the CR LF added? -- 73, Craig Cook - N7OR in Sandy, OR Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Fw: NCCC RTTY Roundup Practices - All Are Invited
- Original Message - From: "Marc Ziegler, W6ZZZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [RTTY] NCCC RTTY Roundup Practices - All Are Invited > NCCC RTTY Roundup Practices - All Are Invited > > The NCCC invites you to participate in RTTY practice contests this > Thursday and > Friday (Pacific local) in preparation for the ARRL RTTY Roundup contest. > - The NCCC RTTY Roundup practice duration is an hour just like it was > last > year > - Practice is the same time Thursday and Friday (6:30pm - 7:30pm PST, or > 0230z-0330z UTC). > > These practices are a good opportunity to: > - Test antennas to make sure they have survived the winter so far > - Test logging software, RTTY keying interfaces, amps, and SO2R setup. > > ARRL RTTY Roundup rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2006/rtty.html > > > Thursday, January 5 (Pacific local) > --- > *** RTTY Roundup Practice *** > 6:30pm - 7:30pm PST [UTC: Friday, January 6, 0230z-0330z] > Suggested frequencies: 3585, 7085, 14085 kHz, +/- > (Let's be courteous to ongoing QSOs) > Format: ARRL RTTY Roundup rules/exchange > > *** NCCC CW Sprint *** > The standard weekly date/time for "the NS" CW practice will be the same > (CW practice, not RTTY practice) > 7:30pm - 8:00pm PST [UTC: Friday, January 6, 0330z-0400z] > > *** NCCC Net *** > Standard NCCC weekly net to discuss problems, questions, etc. > 8:00pm PST [UTC: Friday, January 6, 0400z] > 3830 kHz +/- > > > Friday, January 6 (Pacific local) > --- > *** RTTY Roundup Practice *** > 6:30pm - 7:30pm PST [UTC: Saturday, January 7, 0230z-0330z] > Suggested frequencies: 3585, 7085, 14085 kHz, +/- > (Let's be courteous to ongoing QSOs) > Format: ARRL RTTY Roundup rules/exchange > > *** Casual and Quick RTTY Net *** > To discuss any final problems, questions, issues, or observations > 7:30pm PST [UTC: Saturday, January 7, 0330z] > 3830 kHz +/- > > --- > > > - Marc, W6ZZZ > - NCCC RTTY Roundup coordinator Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Score Submissions Closed for Melee
Greeting's: We have CLOSED the score submissions for this year's TARA RTTY Melee. As of tonight 31-DEC-2005 the scores are fixed as displayed on the TARA web site. I ask ALL of you to please review these scores for any possible errors. Keep in mind that we (TARA) operates this contest completely on the "Honor System" and it takes all of us to make sure nobody abuses this system. You may review all of the scores at: http://www.n2ty.org/seasons/tara_melee_results.html The results were fantastic this year and I thank each of you. I'd also like to have a photo from anyone that participated in the contest, that includes the SWL folks too! If you're one of the top three in any of the different classes please consider submitting a photo of you and that fine station of yours. Those in the MULTI-OP Class should try and get the whole team in the picture for all to see. I personally want to wish all of you a very Happy New Year. Thank you for your support! 73 de NY2U Bill Eddy Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
>< > Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. > Not good considering we have purposely crammed > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current > regulatory envrinment. Hi Steve, Question: Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band? Answer: After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I found the reason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Olivia bandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and started in Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), and some European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below 14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplan details "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to use Olivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and below 14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on 14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status of Olivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at 14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions and nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment. In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia keyboarding activity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to move up from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The ALE network's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALE operators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding channel. The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive Olivia QRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and at least 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to propagate among all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry or special cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The ALE net moved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively put the Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move any higher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.) The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantly conflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based and content-based bandplan conflicts. At the same time, we also are seeing a huge change in the nature of how we communicate on HF. Take a listen between 14230 and 14240 sometime and you will see a similar situation in progress. The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digital communications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from an older bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric model for data exchange. This means that the future will see more time-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic basis than there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is causing the "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and file for bandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are familiar and thus comfortable with the operational aspects of the slow information exchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime keyboarding. More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the IARU Region 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for wider bandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've been advocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or about 14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz bandwidth is beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams could not live with strong and weak CW or even PSK signals separated by 200Hz. I have never advocated any HF sub-bands for confining automatic, semi-automatic, or remote operations. I see there is no longer a clear distinction between what "automation" is and what it is not. Automation in some shape or form is becoming more commonplace in many of the new methods of HF communication. For instance, SSTV and Digital Voice use automatic methods for station ID, handshaking, and even automatic start-up and responses. If we continue to have governmental radio rules confining automation in USA and elsewhere, it will continue to conflict with actual use of communication technology on the air by hams. It will also confine and suppress hams who lives within the jurisdictions of these automatic rules from moving forward with the rest of the world's hams who are not confined by antiquated anti-automation rules. Now, after a lot of discourse with hams from all different viewpoints, I now believe the best thing for ham radio is to have no sub-bands at all in radio regulatory rules. No bandwidth sub-bands. No automatic sub-bands. No license class sub-
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question
--- John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Last night I was on 40 meters after loading my CQ > tape > into the TD a 8 station answered. Here is where it > all > started down hill. Since his mark tone was right on > frequency but the space tone was way out in the > weeds > some place. It also seems that hit system did not > send > a CR LF till about 100 letters while the type box > makes > a black square on the right hand edge of the paper. > > My question is what is the shift that these RTTY > program > use and can you adjust the point the CR LF added? > > It may be that the software is using 200 hz for the shift. At one time that seemed to be a common shift for another digital mode, maybe packet. With sound cards being used on the computers some programs are sloppy and may not even send the cr/lf and expect the computer to take care of that. I wrote a computer program years ago on an 8080 processor and had it set to do an automatic cr/lf/ltrs while I was typing. It looked for the first space after about 65 characters, If it did not see one, then it would force the cr/lf/ltrs to be sent at 72 characters. I could disable that function if I wanted to. The computer keyboard I was using did not have a linefeed so to speak of. To get it to do that I had to hold down the Ctrl key and use one of the leters. Can't recall if it was a Ctrl M or if that was the carriage return with the ctrl key. __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question
Interesting Ralph. Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines. In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use their enter key I may as well have not even told them... And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap to one of these machines. John At 07:45 PM 12/31/05 -0800, you wrote: >It may be that the software is using 200 hz for the >shift. At one time that seemed to be a common shift >for another digital mode, maybe packet. With sound >cards being used on the computers some programs are >sloppy and may not even send the cr/lf and expect the >computer to take care of that. > >I wrote a computer program years ago on an 8080 >processor and had it set to do an automatic cr/lf/ltrs >while I was typing. It looked for the first space >after about 65 characters, If it did not see one, >then it would force the cr/lf/ltrs to be sent at 72 >characters. I could disable that function if I wanted >to. >The computer keyboard I was using did not have a >linefeed so to speak of. To get it to do that I had >to hold down the Ctrl key and use one of the leters. >Can't recall if it was a Ctrl M or if that was the >carriage return with the ctrl key. > > > > > >__ >Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. >http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > >Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > >Other areas of interest: >The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > >Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below >http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
I don't know where you are located but around here (Kitchener/Waterloo, Ontario) we have several different computer shops that are selling monitors at bargain basement prices ie $50 for a used 19". I bought an IBM P70 about 3 years ago for $125. Now they sell for $50. Everyone is switching to LCD's and monitors are cheap! John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
>>>AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip< The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at 14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions and nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment. >>>97.221 does not allocate 14101 kHz to 14112 kHz exclusively to automatic operation. Attended stations can reasonably use clear frequencies in this range, consistent with their license priveleges. >snip< The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digital communications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from an older bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric model for data exchange. This means that the future will see more time-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic basis than there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is causing the "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and file for bandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are familiar and thus comfortable with the operational aspects of the slow information exchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime keyboarding. >>>Isn't Olivia realtime keyboarding? How do you explain the explosive adoption of this "slow information exchange model"? More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the IARU Region 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for wider bandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've been advocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or about 14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz bandwidth is beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams could not live with strong and weak CW or even PSK signals separated by 200Hz. I have never advocated any HF sub-bands for confining automatic, semi-automatic, or remote operations. I see there is no longer a clear distinction between what "automation" is and what it is not. Automation in some shape or form is becoming more commonplace in many of the new methods of HF communication. For instance, SSTV and Digital Voice use automatic methods for station ID, handshaking, and even automatic start-up and responses. If we continue to have governmental radio rules confining automation in USA and elsewhere, it will continue to conflict with actual use of communication technology on the air by hams. It will also confine and suppress hams who lives within the jurisdictions of these automatic rules from moving forward with the rest of the world's hams who are not confined by antiquated anti-automation rules. >>>The fundamental issue is not automation vs. non-automation; its attended vs. unattended. The SSTV and DV examples you cite above are all indeed automated, but they are also attended. And they are real- time. Now, after a lot of discourse with hams from all different viewpoints, I now believe the best thing for ham radio is to have no sub-bands at all in radio regulatory rules. No bandwidth sub-bands. No automatic sub-bands. No license class sub-bands. Instead, all sub- bands should be flexible and handled in the IARU Region bandplans and national IARU society bandplans. It is too difficult to change governmental radio regulations. >>>How do you reconcile this position with your statement above that "...IARU bandplanners of different regions and nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment"? How do you reconcile it with your post a few days back where you asserted that an operator could reasonably ignore a bandplan he or she considered inappropriate? The Olivia 14MHz disaster is one case in point... most USA Olivia users are oblivious to the fact that they are operating in the automatic band. >>>US Olivia users are entitled to operate on any clear frequency consistent with part 97 and their license class. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
Bonnie, You explained thing very well. What really is needed is for IARU to come up with a worldwide band plan and put it in place. We as ham operators are very selfish when it comes to frequencies (I include myself also). I am not into Pactor or any of that sorta of stuff. But they deserve their place just like everything else. Ham radio is a worldwide hobby and every one needs to be in the same plan, no region 1, 2, or 3. Yes it would take some time to rework everything and get it up and going. JoeW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band? ><> Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. > Not good considering we have purposely crammed > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current > regulatory envrinment. Hi Steve,Question:Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA AutomaticSub-Band?Answer:After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I found thereason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Oliviabandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and startedin Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), andsome European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplandetails "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to useOlivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and below14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status ofOlivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radioionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regionalboundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions andnations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment.In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia keyboardingactivity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to moveup from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The ALEnetwork's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALEoperators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding channel.The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive OliviaQRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and atleast 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to propagateamong all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry orspecial cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The ALE netmoved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively putthe Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move anyhigher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.)The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantlyconflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based andcontent-based bandplan conflicts. At the same time, we also are seeinga huge change in the nature of how we communicate on HF. Take a listenbetween 14230 and 14240 sometime and you will see a similar situationin progress. The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digitalcommunications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from anolder bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric modelfor data exchange. This means that the future will see moretime-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic basisthan there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is causingthe "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and file forbandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are familiar andthus comfortable with the operational aspects of the slow informationexchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime keyboarding. More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the IARURegion 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for widerbandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've beenadvocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or about14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz bandwidthis beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams couldnot live with strong and weak CW or even PSK signals separated by200Hz. I have never advocated any HF sub-bands for confiningautomatic, semi-automatic, or remote operations. I see there is nolonger a clear
Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
I operate MT63, Olivia and any other LIVE OPERATOR to LIVE OPERATOR mode that I wish to, on any frequency that is not being used by anyone else (as far as I can reasonably be expected to know). I am COMPLETELY oblivious to the existence of anything called "ale" let alone an ale "network". If it is yet another automatic way for either: A. Pseudo-military or pseudo-government "official" traffic B. Yet another way for wealthy people aboard yachts to receive free email then please spare us. I have my opinion and you have yours, but I wish this kind of stuff was not allowed AT ALL on amateur bands. I realize it is perfectly legal under current part 97 rules, but I think it just " aint hammin' ". I am not aware of any exclusive automatic band. How many times have I had my actual live mfsk-variant qso interrupted by Pactor? Plenty. If I begin a live conversation on a frequency that is not in use, but some group calling themselves a network has designated it as their only possible frequency, then tough you-know-what. And it is nowhere near a "disaster". Use one of the commercial satellite services if Lovey wants to send a greeting to Thurston Howell III. Or just QSY. When I am sitting live in front of my radio, I do that all the time, believe it or not! -- 73, Craig Cook - N7OR in Sandy, OR The Olivia 14MHz disaster is one case in point... most USA Oliviausers are oblivious to the fact that they are operating in the automatic band.The 7100kHz to 7105kHz USA automatic sub-band disaster is another casein point... there is a shortwave AM broadcast station there!Bonnie KQ6XA Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?
Interesting John, I am about 45 minutes drive from Fort Erie, I'd drive to Waterloo for a $50 19 inch monitor, Yankee customs might be an issue though. Andy K3UK - Original Message - From: "John Lindsay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable? >I don't know where you are located but around here (Kitchener/Waterloo, > Ontario) we have several different computer shops that are selling > monitors at bargain basement prices ie $50 for a used 19". I bought an > IBM P70 about 3 years ago for $125. Now they sell for $50. Everyone is > switching to LCD's and monitors are cheap! > > John > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Other areas of interest: > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link > below > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
>< > I realize it is perfectly legal under current part 97 rules, > but I think it just " aint hammin' ". I am not aware > of any exclusive automatic band. Hi Craig, Ignorance is bliss. Happy New Year! :) Bonnie KQ6XA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?
>< > If I begin a live conversation on a frequency that is not > in use, but some group calling themselves a network has > designated it as their only possible frequency, then > tough you-know-what. Hi Craig, I see you are willing to time-share and cooperate fully with the other operators who have been cooperating and time-sharing for years in the USA automatic sub-bands. That's a good thing. When you are keyboarding in the USA sub-bands where automatic stations are forced to operate, I'm sure you won't be surprised if the other operators of those automatic stations have a slightly different time-interval for time-sharing than you do. There are many facets to the amateur radio jewel, Some facets shine brighter from a different viewpoint. 73 and Happy New Year... the "Year of the Dog". Bonnie KQ6XA Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question
John, Maybe I am misremembering but I think you can take it out of current loop and press the CR LF yourself. I think remember doing this when the line got lost in QRN on my model 19. My former college roommate KB1KSK has an teletype in his house, hooked to a Linux box, and it prints the news in the morning. Maybe you could put a PIC after your ST9 and have it count the characters and insert newlines. Might mess up some of the pictures though, hi hi. Leigh / WA5ZNU On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 7:54 pm, John Becker wrote: > ... > Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not > software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines. > In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the > right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use > their enter key I may as well have not even told them... > > And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap > to one of these machines. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?
Sorry Bonnie, Im with him. My operating priviliges are listed on a chart on my wall here. I dont see any place I cant go within the ham bands. Thats why I worked and earned the Extra license. If I find a clear frequency, ask twice if anyone is using it, and no one shows up, its mine until I get tired. Thats the legal way to look at it. Now if somneone comes up on cw or ssb (or a digital mode I am working) and ASKS me to move because there is a net due up there, I will try to slip the other station up or down a bit, out of the way. If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very likely to be there until tomorrow. Thats the nature of this beast. I dont take kindly to drivers cutting me off on the road, or radio operators trying to bulldoze their way onto a frequency. Danny - Original Message - From: "expeditionradio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands? > >< > > If I begin a live conversation on a frequency that is not > > in use, but some group calling themselves a network has > > designated it as their only possible frequency, then > > tough you-know-what. > > Hi Craig, > > I see you are willing to time-share and cooperate fully with > the other operators who have been cooperating and time-sharing > for years in the USA automatic sub-bands. That's a good thing. > When you are keyboarding in the USA sub-bands where automatic > stations are forced to operate, I'm sure you won't be > surprised if the other operators of those automatic stations > have a slightly different time-interval for time-sharing than > you do. > > There are many facets to the amateur radio jewel, > Some facets shine brighter from a different viewpoint. > 73 and Happy New Year... the "Year of the Dog". > > Bonnie KQ6XA > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Other areas of interest: > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question
Good grief, the news is still delivered by TTY? I spent many years overseas, at awful locations, and as an aside, copied Rueters, AP or UPI and put the copies out in the hall for walkers-by to pick up and read, We didnt have English newscast, had no TV, no English newspapers (at least within 3- days old) so what I provided was it. We started missing those broadcasts as they wre being cancelled due to a little invention call sateilite communications. Im reallyl supprised thee are any left. Hey it was just Christmas, wonder if he received any "Christmas Cards" on that tty machine? Danny - Original Message - From: "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question > John, > Maybe I am misremembering but I think you can take it out of current > loop and press the CR LF yourself. I think remember doing this when the > line got lost in QRN on my model 19. My former college roommate KB1KSK > has an teletype in his house, hooked to a Linux box, and it prints the > news in the morning. Maybe you could put a PIC after your ST9 and have > it count the characters and insert newlines. Might mess up some of the > pictures though, hi hi. > Leigh / WA5ZNU > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 7:54 pm, John Becker wrote: > > ... > > Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not > > software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines. > > In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the > > right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use > > their enter key I may as well have not even told them... > > > > And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap > > to one of these machines. > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Other areas of interest: > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?
Bonnie- This extract from your reply to Craig illustrates the WHOLE problem. 1. NO ONE is forcing you to operate anywhere- It is only your desire. 2.I have seen no compelling reason for ANY operation on Ham frequencies that is done without an active operator. Bill-W4BSG expeditionradio wrote: >Hi Craig, > >I see you are willing to time-share and cooperate fully with >the other operators who have been cooperating and time-sharing >for years in the USA automatic sub-bands. That's a good thing. >When you are keyboarding in the USA sub-bands where automatic >stations are forced to operate, I'm sure you won't be >surprised if the other operators of those automatic stations >have a slightly different time-interval for time-sharing than >you do. > >There are many facets to the amateur radio jewel, >Some facets shine brighter from a different viewpoint. >73 and Happy New Year... the "Year of the Dog". > >Bonnie KQ6XA > > > > > > >Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > >Other areas of interest: >The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > >Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below >http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- Bill Aycock W4BSG Woodville, Alabama Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] RTTY news broadcasts
Danny, I used to rely on Reuters' RTTY broadcast to get the football results from the UK, sometimes had to resort to Presna Latina from Cuba when HF conditions were poor. Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good grief, the news is still delivered by TTY? I spent many years > overseas, at awful locations, and as an aside, copied Rueters, AP or UPI and > put the copies out in the hall for walkers-by to pick up and read, We didnt > have English newscast, had no TV, no English newspapers (at least within 3- > days old) so what I provided was it. We started missing those broadcasts as > they wre being cancelled due to a little invention call sateilite > communications. Im reallyl supprised thee are any left. > > Hey it was just Christmas, wonder if he received any "Christmas Cards" on > that tty machine? > Danny > > - Original Message - > From: "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:28 AM > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question > > > > John, > > Maybe I am misremembering but I think you can take it out of current > > loop and press the CR LF yourself. I think remember doing this when the > > line got lost in QRN on my model 19. My former college roommate KB1KSK > > has an teletype in his house, hooked to a Linux box, and it prints the > > news in the morning. Maybe you could put a PIC after your ST9 and have > > it count the characters and insert newlines. Might mess up some of the > > pictures though, hi hi. > > Leigh / WA5ZNU > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 7:54 pm, John Becker wrote: > > > ... > > > Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not > > > software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines. > > > In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the > > > right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use > > > their enter key I may as well have not even told them... > > > > > > And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap > > > to one of these machines. > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > > > Other areas of interest: > > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link > below > > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?
>< > If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very > likely to be there until tomorrow. Thats the nature of this > beast. Hi Danny, It's a funny world. You hate it when others hog a frequency, but you think it is OK for you to barge in and hog a frequency yourself. Fortunately, with good HF communications technology, using FEC, ARQ, or other types of persistent and repetitious rubust automatic formats to get a message through, it is more likely that the other operators will simply pass communications between your breaths of air and go on their merry way. You are certainly free to stay "until tomorrow", marking your territory. :) Bonnie KQ6XA Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?
Lets see if we can keep our disagreements here respectful, Bonnie. Your twisting Danny's words is entirely inappropriate (he said he'd QSY if asked) and would be unnecessary were your argument compelling. But the picture you paint -- bandplans that can be disregarded, "persistent and repetitious robust automatic formats" that transmit over existing QSOs -- violates every precept of good amateur operating practice. Send for the Wouff-Hong. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >< > > If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very > > likely to be there until tomorrow. Thats the nature of this > > beast. > > Hi Danny, > > It's a funny world. You hate it when others hog a frequency, but you > think it is OK for you to barge in and hog a frequency yourself. > > Fortunately, with good HF communications technology, using FEC, ARQ, > or other types of persistent and repetitious rubust automatic formats > to get a message through, it is more likely that the other operators > will simply pass communications between your breaths of air and go on > their merry way. You are certainly free to stay "until tomorrow", > marking your territory. > :) > > Bonnie KQ6XA > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
Bonnie As usual what you write makes too much sense... Be sure to put on your asbestos suit Yes ... we need a world wide bandplan.. without any glacial government regulation... And most of the world will ultimately go that way...like Canada and Australia But the USA is a special place... our radio waves always stay within our borders and we do not hear anything from the rest of the world... so they are going to tell you that we need the government to make sure that we do not try anything new... __Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band? ><> Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. > Not good considering we have purposely crammed > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current > regulatory envrinment. Hi Steve,Question:Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA AutomaticSub-Band?Answer:After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I found thereason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Oliviabandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and startedin Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), andsome European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplandetails "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to useOlivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and below14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status ofOlivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radioionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regionalboundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions andnations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment.In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia keyboardingactivity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to moveup from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The ALEnetwork's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALEoperators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding channel.The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive OliviaQRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and atleast 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to propagateamong all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry orspecial cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The ALE netmoved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively putthe Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move anyhigher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.)The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantlyconflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based andcontent-based bandplan conflicts. At the same time, we also are seeinga huge change in the nature of how we communicate on HF. Take a listenbetween 14230 and 14240 sometime and you will see a similar situationin progress. The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digitalcommunications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from anolder bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric modelfor data exchange. This means that the future will see moretime-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic basisthan there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is causingthe "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and file forbandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are familiar andthus comfortable with the operational aspects of the slow informationexchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime keyboarding. More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the IARURegion 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for widerbandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've beenadvocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or about14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz bandwidthis beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams couldnot live with strong and wea
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?
Nope- if they are there I go elsewhere. I expect others to do the same. But I cannot begin to count the times I have been there in a QSO when something I couldnt copy came up on top of us and ruined it. They can work on my freq all day, as long as I cant hear them and they dont interupt my communications, but that is not the case in the ones I am referring to. Mostly my breaths of air are between dits and dahs and I hope I dont hear them then, cause it will stop me from sending, to see what is interrupting. In other words, I dont want to hear them on lthe same freq. Even running a 200 cy filter doesnt help in a case like that. If new digital communications can do it silently, more power to them, and why are all the autos not doing them already - then we wouldnt be having this discussion. Even in government communications there are rules about inteference, and we were required to be a certain distance from any and all signals, according to what we were running. If there was another rtty signal within the passband plus a few hundred cycles, we didnt go there If an international registered signal was assigned a certain freq, we had to leave that frequency alone, and not qsy within an intefering distance of it. We had assigned base frequencies that were protected from the rest of the world, and they had the same. If we are to continue to have automatic stations on our bands, then those stations should be assigned a sub band, internationally, and all other hams told that they are, and forbidden their use. Then you will have your auto stations and they can intefere only with each other. Meanwhile, if we have ham bands that are on our lists, we shouldnt have to avoid empty frequencies because someone MAY come up there. - Original Message - From: "expeditionradio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands? > >< > > If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very > > likely to be there until tomorrow. Thats the nature of this > > beast. > > Hi Danny, > > It's a funny world. You hate it when others hog a frequency, but you > think it is OK for you to barge in and hog a frequency yourself. > > Fortunately, with good HF communications technology, using FEC, ARQ, > or other types of persistent and repetitious rubust automatic formats > to get a message through, it is more likely that the other operators > will simply pass communications between your breaths of air and go on > their merry way. You are certainly free to stay "until tomorrow", > marking your territory. > :) > > Bonnie KQ6XA > > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Other areas of interest: > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
Bonnie has clearly stated here that amateurs are free to disregard band plans that they personally view as too restrictive. Given that position, her call for a world wide band plan makes no sense at all. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bonnie > > As usual what you write makes too much sense... > > Be sure to put on your asbestos suit > > Yes ... we need a world wide bandplan.. without any glacial government regulation... > > And most of the world will ultimately go that way...like Canada and Australia > > But the USA is a special place... our radio waves always stay within our borders and we do not hear anything from the rest of the world... > > so they are going to tell you that we need the government to make sure that we do not try anything new... > > __ > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA > Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" > > > > > - Original Message - > From: expeditionradio > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:21 PM > Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101- 14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band? > > > >< > > Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? > > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for > > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. > > Not good considering we have purposely crammed > > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current > > regulatory envrinment. > > Hi Steve, > > Question: > Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA Automatic > Sub-Band? > Answer: > After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I found the > reason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Olivia > bandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and started > in Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), and > some European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below > 14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplan > details "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to use > Olivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and below > 14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on > 14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status of > Olivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. > > The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at > 14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio > ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional > boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions and > nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment. > > In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia keyboarding > activity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to move > up from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The ALE > network's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALE > operators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding channel. > The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive Olivia > QRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and at > least 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to propagate > among all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry or > special cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The ALE net > moved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively put > the Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move any > higher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.) > > The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantly > conflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based and > content-based bandplan conflicts. At the same time, we also are seeing > a huge change in the nature of how we communicate on HF. Take a listen > between 14230 and 14240 sometime and you will see a similar situation > in progress. > > The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digital > communications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from an > older bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric model > for data exchange. This means that the future will see more > time-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic basis > than there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is causing > the "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and file for > bandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are familiar and > thus comfortable with the operationa
[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
Sorry, I meant to reference Bonnie's earlier post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/12576 Its the following excerpt to which I'm referring: "The writers of bandplans that do not follow on-the-air activity trends, with room for communications technology to thrive, should not complain when their bandplan becomes obsolete the moment it is published. They should not complain when their bandplan is not accepted or closely followed by hams on-the-air." 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bonnie has clearly stated here that amateurs are free to disregard > band plans that they personally view as too restrictive. Given that > position, her call for a world wide band plan makes no sense at all. > >73, > >Dave, AA6YQ > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bonnie > > > > As usual what you write makes too much sense... > > > > Be sure to put on your asbestos suit > > > > Yes ... we need a world wide bandplan.. without any glacial > government regulation... > > > > And most of the world will ultimately go that way...like Canada > and Australia > > > > But the USA is a special place... our radio waves always stay > within our borders and we do not hear anything from the rest of the > world... > > > > so they are going to tell you that we need the government to make > sure that we do not try anything new... > > > > __ > > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA > > Website: www.ky6la.com > > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" > > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: expeditionradio > > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:21 PM > > Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101- > 14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band? > > > > > > >< > > > Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > > > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? > > > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for > > > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. > > > Not good considering we have purposely crammed > > > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current > > > regulatory envrinment. > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Question: > > Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA > Automatic > > Sub-Band? > > Answer: > > After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I > found the > > reason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Olivia > > bandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and > started > > in Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), > and > > some European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below > > 14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplan > > details "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to use > > Olivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and > below > > 14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on > > 14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status > of > > Olivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. > > > > The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub- band > at > > 14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio > > ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional > > boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions and > > nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment. > > > > In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia > keyboarding > > activity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to > move > > up from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The > ALE > > network's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALE > > operators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding > channel. > > The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive > Olivia > > QRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, > and at > > least 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to > propagate > > among all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry or > > special cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The > ALE net > > moved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively > put > > the Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move any > > higher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.) > > > > The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantly > > conflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode- based > and > > content-based bandpl
Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
Sorry Howard. I think many of us have been saying all along that we need INTERNATIONAL band plans, at least, I been saying that for several years. But if anyone thinks they can be voluntary, they have their eyes closed er. their ears anyway. The sub bands here in the states work, only to the point that there are regulations, no matter that the FCC often seems to ignore them. You speak of our signals not getting out of CONUS, sorry but that works the other way around. I hear ALL sorts of signals ALL over the band, from countries that have esentially NO rules other than staying within the broad sector of the assigned amateur frequencies. SSB in the lower portions of all bands, RTTY and Data all ovr SSB, Image on top of PSK, etc. etc.doesnt show me that the rest of the world lives by "nice". Setting our own rules doesnt affect them at all, other than the fact we may intefere with our mode on top of theirs (thus the need for internatonal rules). There will be no world wide bandplan that works, unless its under a rule of law. None do now, and none will, given human nature. And I also dont see anywhere in this discussion where anyone is saying the we need the government to make sure we dont try new modes, methods, etc. We simply need them to insure new things dont harm the old. Danny - Original Message - From: Dr. Howard S. White To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band? Bonnie As usual what you write makes too much sense... Be sure to put on your asbestos suit Yes ... we need a world wide bandplan.. without any glacial government regulation... And most of the world will ultimately go that way...like Canada and Australia But the USA is a special place... our radio waves always stay within our borders and we do not hear anything from the rest of the world... so they are going to tell you that we need the government to make sure that we do not try anything new... __Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band? ><> Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. > Not good considering we have purposely crammed > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current > regulatory envrinment. Hi Steve,Question:Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA AutomaticSub-Band?Answer:After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I found thereason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Oliviabandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and startedin Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), andsome European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplandetails "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to useOlivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and below14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status ofOlivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radioionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regionalboundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions andnations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment.In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia keyboardingactivity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to moveup from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The ALEnetwork's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALEoperators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding channel.The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive OliviaQRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and atleast 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to propagateamong all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry orspecial cabling, fill fi