date:20051231

Trying to think how to handle that Andy, and I would simply cut around (not
through) the monitors cable at the far end, remove one pin at a time and
move that wire over to a new connector.  You should be able to do that one
at a time, looking where the old pin was, and mathcing with the new one.  Or
you could do it by "megging"one wire on the back of the old connector and
finding its other end on the other side of that connector.  The first way
would be easiest, since you have to remove them anyway.
Danny

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:11 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?


> My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable .
> The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the
> inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables
> are not sold.  Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a
> common color code system for the individual wires in the cable?  I'm
> thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to
> the one that has the broken connector.
>
> Andy K3UK
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Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?

2005-12-31 Thread wb6bne

Hello Andy,

I have replaced monitor cables in the past.
Just get out a ohm meter and buzz the existing cable out and write
down  on  piece of paper the color for each pin.
Do the same thing on the new cable. Swap the cable out.
I found color coding different on the ones I have repaired.
Wire in the new cable.

73 Gry WB6BNE


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From: obrienaj
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?


My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable .
The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the
inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables
are not sold.  Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a
common color code system for the individual wires in the cable?  I'm
thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to
the one that has the broken connector.

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[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006

Yes, I agree.

Such techniques already exist, as you have pointed out, but are not 
exploited by today's message passing software. To encourage the 
deployment of these techniques, I am suggesting that protocols 
failing to exploit them be confined to subbands, while protocols 
that do exploit them be given free reign (subject only to bandwidth 
constraints, as would be all other signals).

73,

   Dave, AA6YQ

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> Dave,
> 
> I would think that using signal detection techniques would solve 
that 
> issue. We have been experimenting with them lately and yes, there 
is 
> work to be done, but that is what this is all about.
> 
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Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?

2005-12-31 Thread n1zw






Hi Andy, I would be more than happy to do some 
looking around for you on that wiring sceme. I am disabled here so I have the 
time. I need to know what type monitor and the make of it. Size is not too 
important but , whatever information you can give will help to narroe the search 
for info. Best regards Robin n1zw

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  From: 
  obrienaj 
  
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:11 
  AM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC 
  Monitor cable?
  My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor 
  cable .  The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is 
  hardwired to the inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says 
  replacment cables are not sold.  Does anyone here know if these PC 
  monitor cable have a common color code system for the individual wires in 
  the cable?  I'm thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor 
  and attaching it to the one that has the broken connector.Andy 
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Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?

2005-12-31 Thread n1zw






I can agree with that idea too Danny, very good 
suggestion at least that way there would be no guessing. Robin n1zw

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  From: 
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  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:46 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC 
  Monitor cable?
  Trying to think how to handle that Andy, and I would simply 
  cut around (notthrough) the monitors cable at the far end, remove one pin 
  at a time andmove that wire over to a new connector.  You should be 
  able to do that oneat a time, looking where the old pin was, and mathcing 
  with the new one.  Oryou could do it by "megging"one wire on the back 
  of the old connector andfinding its other end on the other side of that 
  connector.  The first waywould be easiest, since you have to remove 
  them anyway.Danny- Original Message - From: "obrienaj" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
  Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 
  11:11 AMSubject: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?> 
  My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable .> 
  The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the> 
  inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables> 
  are not sold.  Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have 
  a> common color code system for the individual wires in the 
  cable?  I'm> thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor 
  and attaching it to> the one that has the broken 
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[digitalradio] Help with my digital set up.

2005-12-31 Thread Jim

Many thanks for letting me join up. The looks like one of the more 
knowledgeable groups for the use of all sort of didgital mode.

I am not as smart as I thought I was, when it come to setting up my 
system.. Let me first give you a layout of what I am running.

Transiever: Yaesu FT100-D
Antenna: All-Band Dipole
Turner MFJ-941E
Interface: SignaLink SL-1+
Source of interface connection, VIA cable to radios DATA plug
Computer: Home Built ASUS MB, W/AMD processer
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Model SB0410, 24 bit
Software: MixW-2.16

Well there you have it. Now I will just start out with a few of my 
most troublesome problems.

I am having a hard time of setting up according to interface 
insturctions. Some times I can set up my playback to adjust the 
power out put. And then next day I won't have hardly any power out 
put. Frustrating... I also have  found it hard to tune different 
bands and keep the power in check. I have found that through trial 
and error that if I use my AFSK LEVEL control I can adjust the power 
out put. Also when I do get my power up to 30 watts, everthing 
greater produces very radical incress in power, and looks like I am 
working with 1000% modulation. Really makes my tunner meter jump 
like it has hot peppers in it..

Well for now, I well sure enjoy see what can be made out of my 
rambling.

73's and Happy New Year,
Jim N7VLM
Casper Wyoming








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[digitalradio] Re: Help with my digital set up.

2005-12-31 Thread obrienaj

-Jim, a common problem for a couple of my rookie friends was that 
they were trying to transmit at the far edges of their radio's 
passband, thus the low output. Make sure that in MixW the place you 
are transmitting is around 1500 Hz (in the waterfall).  That may fix 
the problem.  You can use Mixw's "align" command to easily shift a 
received signal to the 1500 Hz setting.



Once set, I have never had to adjust the soundcard levels in Mixw.

Andy K3UK

 -- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Jim " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Many thanks for letting me join up. The looks like one of the more 
> knowledgeable groups for the use of all sort of didgital mode.
> 
> I am not as smart as I thought I was, when it come to setting up 
my 
> system.. Let me first give you a layout of what I am running.
> 
> Transiever: Yaesu FT100-D
> Antenna: All-Band Dipole
> Turner MFJ-941E
> Interface: SignaLink SL-1+
> Source of interface connection, VIA cable to radios DATA plug
> Computer: Home Built ASUS MB, W/AMD processer
> Sound Card: Sound Blaster Model SB0410, 24 bit
> Software: MixW-2.16
> 
> Well there you have it. Now I will just start out with a few of my 
> most troublesome problems.
> 
> I am having a hard time of setting up according to interface 
> insturctions. Some times I can set up my playback to adjust the 
> power out put. And then next day I won't have hardly any power out 
> put. Frustrating... I also have  found it hard to tune different 
> bands and keep the power in check. I have found that through trial 
> and error that if I use my AFSK LEVEL control I can adjust the 
power 
> out put. Also when I do get my power up to 30 watts, everthing 
> greater produces very radical incress in power, and looks like I 
am 
> working with 1000% modulation. Really makes my tunner meter jump 
> like it has hot peppers in it..
> 
> Well for now, I well sure enjoy see what can be made out of my 
> rambling.
> 
> 73's and Happy New Year,
> Jim N7VLM
> Casper Wyoming
>






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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Help with my digital set up.

I Believe that your are very correct in that being one of the major problems
with newbies (and some oldbies as well).  Peronally, I have checked my own
soundcards and find that I must set them around 1000 HZ, as if I get up as
high as 1500cy, they no longer work with full output.
I did a test with min, clicking every 100 cy from one end to the other of
the waterfall, and there is a very decided drop-off at each end.  Find where
they drop off occurs at each end of the waterfall , then choose a location
somewhere in the middle between those marks, and you will be good to go.

- Original Message - 
From: "obrienaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Help with my digital set up.


> -Jim, a common problem for a couple of my rookie friends was that
> they were trying to transmit at the far edges of their radio's
> passband, thus the low output. Make sure that in MixW the place you
> are transmitting is around 1500 Hz (in the waterfall).  That may fix
> the problem.  You can use Mixw's "align" command to easily shift a
> received signal to the 1500 Hz setting.
>
>
>
> Once set, I have never had to adjust the soundcard levels in Mixw.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
>  -- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Jim " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Many thanks for letting me join up. The looks like one of the more
> > knowledgeable groups for the use of all sort of didgital mode.
> >
> > I am not as smart as I thought I was, when it come to setting up
> my
> > system.. Let me first give you a layout of what I am running.
> >
> > Transiever: Yaesu FT100-D
> > Antenna: All-Band Dipole
> > Turner MFJ-941E
> > Interface: SignaLink SL-1+
> > Source of interface connection, VIA cable to radios DATA plug
> > Computer: Home Built ASUS MB, W/AMD processer
> > Sound Card: Sound Blaster Model SB0410, 24 bit
> > Software: MixW-2.16
> >
> > Well there you have it. Now I will just start out with a few of my
> > most troublesome problems.
> >
> > I am having a hard time of setting up according to interface
> > insturctions. Some times I can set up my playback to adjust the
> > power out put. And then next day I won't have hardly any power out
> > put. Frustrating... I also have  found it hard to tune different
> > bands and keep the power in check. I have found that through trial
> > and error that if I use my AFSK LEVEL control I can adjust the
> power
> > out put. Also when I do get my power up to 30 watts, everthing
> > greater produces very radical incress in power, and looks like I
> am
> > working with 1000% modulation. Really makes my tunner meter jump
> > like it has hot peppers in it..
> >
> > Well for now, I well sure enjoy see what can be made out of my
> > rambling.
> >
> > 73's and Happy New Year,
> > Jim N7VLM
> > Casper Wyoming
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006

+++ AA6YQ comments

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>From k4cjx: What resists, persists. If I get a beam and amp and you 
get a beam and amp, we are right back where we started, right?  Best 
to work it out as has been the case with every other mode of 
operation (AM vs. SSB, etc.)  There is only conflict if you allow 
conflict. Band segmentation by types of operation or protocol can 
certainly take place without it being law. That is certainly done 
today, and successfully.

+++I agree. We can reduce the conflict between attended and remotely-
controlled automatic operation by requiring the protocols used for 
remote control to check for a clear frequency before transmitting, 
and to respond appropriately to a QRL signal. This should make this 
a prequisite for the unconstrained use of remote control protocols. 
Attended stations must follow these rules; it is entirely reasonable 
to require remotely-controlled stations to do likewise -- or be 
constrained to subbands if they cannot.

>From k4cjx:  You can write in your comments about "polite protocols" 
and while you are at it, also make sure that we include contest 
weekends, okay?  Let's set a separate hardcoded segement for those 
who work contests. Where do you think these separate segements 
should be?  We would want them hardcoded, too?  Perhaps we should 
designate another 5 KHz on 40 meters for all protocols during 
contests when they become "impolite modes"?

++The unfortunate fact that there are "impolite" contesters is no 
excuse for permitting impolite remote control protocols. Our goal 
should be to improve the quality of operation on our bands; using 
examples of bad attended operating practice to justify bad remote-
control operating practice is the path to chaos, Steve.
 
>From k4cjx:  I claim that the FCC is suggesting Voluntary band 
planning.  

>>>Yes, they are. But suggesting voluntary band planning is far 
different than saying "what we have now works well", which was your 
original claim.
 
>From k4cjx: dave, I cannot answer about "Pactor" stations, but I can 
answer about Winlink 2000 local and remote controlled stations, 
which as you know are ALL initiated by a live human being control 
operator, who must be present to do this initiation. They ALL use 
Airmail, and that means they are all forced to provide an FEC ID of 
their station and the station they called. It is mandatory and 
embedded in the Airmail code for over three years now.  Prior to 
this, they provided a CW ID. 

>>>I do not expect you to answer for all Pactor stations. I have 
been careful to not equate "QRM from Pactor stations" with "QRM from 
Winlink", although in several cases I was operating on or near a 
PMBO frequency when QRM'd, and to my ear the "pattern" sounded like 
a Winlink connection sequence. As you know, I have on occasion used 
Winlink.

>>>None of the soundcard software I typically use can decode an FEC 
ID any more than it can decode Pactor. Shifting away from a CW ID 
was a mistake, as it effectively concealed the QSO from most 
operators.

>>>The fact that there's a live human operator at the controlling 
station does not prevent the remotely controlled station from QRMing 
an QSO that the controlling station cannot hear, as has been pointed 
out here on innumerable occasions.

>From k4cjx: Dave, next time you hear a major pileup on CW or SSB, 
just jump right in the middle and make the claim,  "frequency in 
use," and watch them ALL just fade away until you are finished.  
When they don't hear you or don't care, you can write all their 
calls down as intentional interferenence and turn them into the FCC. 
When the FCC cites them, they can claim that the "hidden transmitter 
effect" was in effect.

>>>If a group of stations is already using a frequency, and I jump 
in with "frequency in use", I would not expect them to QSY, nor 
would their continued operation be intentional interference. 
Whatever point you're trying to make here eludes me, Steve.

>>>There have been situations where I'm using a frequency, a DX 
station that I can't hear calls CQ on that frequency, and DXers that 
I can hear appear. If I've got good propagation with the station 
with whom I'm in QSO, then I'll generally agree to QSY; if not, I'll 
ask the DXers to hold off until I'm finished, and try to finish 
expeditiously. Does this always work? No, but it often works, and 
its the way its supposed to work. Any software we write to automate 
station operation should strive to improve operating standards, not 
allow them to further degrade!

>>>Who will decide whether the alotted band segment is "reasonable"?

>From k4cjx: Demand will decide. You don't find us all over the bands 
where we have the capability of being just like you do not find CW 
all over the bands.  Read what the FCC says about voluntary band 
planning again.  If you allow them to hard code such a segment and 
considering where they want Amateur r

[digitalradio] Happy New Year to all






 
Happy New Year to all on this group, thanks for a 
successful year in discussing digital modes.
 
Thanks to John W0JAB for helping me with this busy 
list.
 
Peace to all in 2006.
 
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[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006

2005-12-31 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx

Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the Part 97.221 sub-
bands. Why would they use these frequencies? Because they have 
obvoiously been cleaned out and left for the operations that are 
pertinant to 97.221. Not good considering we have purposely crammed 
ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current 
regulatory envrinment. 

Regarding signal detection, we are totally rebuilding the PMBO into 
an "RMS" or radio message server. It will include much more than 
Pactor as things develop. Where possible, we intend to use such 
technigues until we are taken advanage of by those who do not.

Steve, k4cjx

Steve, k4cjx

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree.
> 
> Such techniques already exist, as you have pointed out, but are not 
> exploited by today's message passing software. To encourage the 
> deployment of these techniques, I am suggesting that protocols 
> failing to exploit them be confined to subbands, while protocols 
> that do exploit them be given free reign (subject only to bandwidth 
> constraints, as would be all other signals).
> 
> 73,
> 
>Dave, AA6YQ
> 
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
> > 
> > I would think that using signal detection techniques would solve 
> that 
> > issue. We have been experimenting with them lately and yes, there 
> is 
> > work to be done, but that is what this is all about.
> > 
> > Steve, k4cjx
>

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Re: [digitalradio] Happy New Year to all

Thanks Andy.
Let me just add a thanks to the members of DigitalRadio for such
a good year also.

John, WØJAB
co-moderator

At 03:10 PM 12/31/05 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Happy New Year to all on this group, thanks for a successful year in 
>discussing digital modes.
>
>Thanks to John W0JAB for helping me with this busy list.
>
>Peace to all in 2006.
>
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>Owner/Moderator.
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[digitalradio] SARTG New Year RTTY Contest








  
  
SARTG New Year RTTY Contest
  

  Sponsored by theScandinavian Amateur 
  Radio Teleprinter Group 
  January 1st 
  2006 
  
  
  


   Contest Period:

  
0800 - 1100 
  UTC
  
  
  


   Bands:

  80 and 
40 m.
  
  
  


   Classes:

  

  A: Single Operator/All Band 
  B: Multi Operator/Single TX/All Band 
  C: SWL/All Band 
NOTE: DX spotting and alerting assistance is 
permitted in all classes.
  
  
  


   Modes:

  RTTY 
only.
  
  
  


   Exchanges:

  RST + QSO number, 
starting with 001 + name + "Happy New Year" in your native language. 
Abbrevations like "HNY" are not allowed. 
  
  
  
  


   QSO Points:

  One (1) 
point per QSO. Same station can be worked once on each 
  band.
  
  
  


   Multipliers:

  Each DXCC country 
on each band except Scandinavia and each prefix-figure in 
Scandinavia (SM1, SM2, LA1, LA2...) will count as one 
(1) multiplier on each band. 
Scandinavia include: 

JW, JX, LA, OH, OHØ, OJØ, OX, OY, OZ, SM and 
TF.
  
  
  


   Scoring:

  Sum of QSO points 
x sum of multipliers = TOTAL 
  SCORE.
  
  
  


   Awards:

  To the top five 
stations in each class and to winners in each country if the number 
of QSOs is reasonable.
  
  
  


   Logs:

  Use separate log 
sheets for each band. 
Log must show: BAND, DATE/TIME(UTC), CALLSIGN, EXCHANGE MESSAGE 
SENT and RECEIVED, MULTIPLIERS, and QSO points. Exception; received 
"HAPPY NEW YEAR" messages do not need to be in log, but your sent 
"HAPPY NEW YEAR" message must be noted somewhere in the log. 
Summary sheet must show scoring, class, your callsign, name and 
address. 
Multi-Op stations must show the callsign and names of all 
operators involved. 
Your comments will be very much 
appreciated.
  
  
  


   Logs Deadline:

  Logs must be 
received by January 31 to qualify. 
Mail logs to: 

SARTG Contest ManagerEwe Håkansson, 
SM7BHMPilspetsvagen 4SE-291 66 
KRISTIANSTADSWEDEN
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Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?

Did same thing about 5 years ago.
the fine folks that made the monitor send a new
cable "free" to boot. at the time the monitor was already
about 6 or 7years old.

At 04:11 PM 12/31/05 +, you wrote:
>My 12 year old son accidentally broke a pin on a PC monitor cable .
>The cable is the type that is not detachable, it is hardwired to the
>inside of the monitor, my local PC repair shops says replacment cables
>are not sold.  Does anyone here know if these PC monitor cable have a
>common color code system for the individual wires in the cable?  I'm
>thinking of splicing the cable from an old monitor and attaching it to
>the one that has the broken connector.
>
>Andy K3UK
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Re: [digitalradio] SARTG New Year RTTY Contest






This contest requires Happy New Year in your native 
language as part of the exchange, so
 
 brown: phonetical transcription



  
  
AFRIKAANS
gelukkige nuwejaar
  
ALBANIAN
Gëzuar vitin e ri
  
ALSATIAN
e glëckliches nëies / güets nëies 
johr
  
ARABIC
aam saiid / sana 
  saiida
  
ARMENIAN
shnorhavor nor 
  tari
  
AZERI
yeni iliniz mubarek
  
BAMBARA
bonne année
  
BASQUE
urte berri on
  
BELARUSIAN
З новым годам (Z novym 
  hodam)
  
BENGALI
subho 
  nababarsho
  
BERBER
asgwas 
amegas
  
BETI
mbembe 
  mbu
  
BOBO
bonne année
  
BOSNIAN
sretna nova godina
  
BRETON
bloavez mat
  
BULGARIAN
честита нова година (chestita nova godina)
  
BIRMAN
hnit 
  thit ku mingalar pa
  
CANTONESE
kung hé fat 
  tsoi
  
CATALAN
bon any 
nou
  
CHINESE
xin nièn kuai le / 
  xin nièn hao
  
CORSICAN
pace e salute
  
CROAT
sretna nova godina
  
CZECH
ťastný nový rok
  
DANISH
godt nytår
  
DUTCH
gelukkig Nieuwjaar
  
ESPERANTO
felicxan novan jaron feliæan novan jaron (Times 
  SudEuro font)
  
ESTONIAN
head uut aastat
  
FAROESE
gott nýggjár
  
FINNISH
onnellista uutta vuotta
  
FLEMISH
gelukkig Nieuwjaar
  
FRENCH
bonne année
  
FRIULAN
bon an
  
GALICIAN
feliz aninovo
  
GEORGIAN
gilotsavt aral tsels
  
GERMAN
ein gutes neues Jahr / prost 
  Neujahr
  
GREEK
kali chronia / 
  kali xroniaeutichismenos o kainourgios chronos (we wish you a 
  happy new year)
  
GUARANÍ
rogüerohory año nuévo-re
  
HAITIAN CREOLE
bònn ané
  
HAWAIIAN
hauoli makahiki hou
  
HEBREW
shana 
  tova
  
HINDI
nav varsh ki 
  subhkamna
  
HUNGARIAN
boldog új évet
  
ICELANDIC
farsælt komandi ár
  
INDONESIAN
selamat tahun baru
  
IRISH GAELIC
ath bhliain faoi mhaise
  
ITALIAN
felice anno nuovo, buon anno
  
JAPANESE
akemashite 
  omedetô
  
KABYLIAN
asseguèsse-ameguèsse
  
KANNADA
hosa varshada 
  shubhaashayagalu
  
KHMER
sur sdei chhnam 
  thmei
  
KIRUNDI
umwaka 
mwiza
  
KOREAN
seh heh bok mani bat uh 
  seyo
  
KURDE
sala we ya nû pîroz 
  be
  
LAO
sabai 
  di pi mai
  
LATIN
felix sit annus novus
  
LATVIAN
laimīgo Jauno gadu
  
LINGALA
bonana / mbula ya sika elamu na tonbeli 
  yo
  
LITHUANIAN
laimingų Naujųjų Metų
  
LOW SAXON
gelükkig nyjaar
  
LUXEMBOURGEOIS
e gudd neit Joër
  
MACEDONIAN
srekna nova 
  godina
  
MALAGASY
arahaba tratry ny taona
  
MALAY
selamat tahun baru
  
MALTESE
sena gdida mimlija risq
  
MAORI
kia hari te tau hou
  
MONGOLIAN
shine jiliin bayariin mend 
  hurgeye (Шинэ жилийн баярын мэнд хvргэе)
  
MORÉ
wênd na kô-d yuum-songo
  
NORWEGIAN
godt nytt år
  
OCCITAN
bon annada
  
PERSIAN
sâle no 
  mobârak
  
POLISH
szczęśliwego nowego roku
  
PORTUGUESE
feliz ano novo
  
ROMANI
bangi vasilica baxt
  
ROMANIAN
un an nou fericit / la mulţi ani
  
RUSSIAN
С Новым Годом (S novim 
  godom)
  
SAMOAN
ia manuia le tausaga fou
  
SANGO
nzoni fini ngou
  
SARDINIAN
bonu annu nou
  
SCOTTISH GAELIC
bliadhna mhath ur
  
SERBIAN
srecna nova godina
  
SHONA
goredzwa rakanaka
  
SINDHI
nain saal joon 
  wadhayoon
  
SLOVAK
stastlivy novy rok
  
SLOVENIAN
srečno novo leto
  
SOBOTA
dobir leto
  
SPANISH
feliz año nuevo
  
SWAHILI
mwaka mzuri
  
SWEDISH
gott nytt år
  
SWISS-GERMAN
äs guets Nöis
  
TAGALOG
manigong bagong taon
  
TAHITIAN
ia ora te matahiti api
  
TAMIL
iniya puthandu 
  nalVazhthukkal
  
TATAR
yana yel belen
  
TELUGU
nuthana samvathsara 
  subhakankshalu
  
THAI
สวัสดีปีใหม่ (sawatdii 
  pimaï)
  
TIBETAN
tashi 
  délek
  
TURKISH
yeni yiliniz kutlu olsun
  
UDMURT
Vyľ 
  Aren
  
UKRAINIAN
Z novym 
rokom
  
URDU
naya saal 
  mubarik
  
VIETNAMESE
Chúc Mừng Nǎm Mới / Cung Chúc Tân Niên / Cung 
  Chúc Tân Xuân
  
WALOON ("betchfessîs" spelling)
bone annéye / bone annéye èt bone 
  santéye
  
WELSH
blwyddyn newydd dda
  
WEST INDIAN CREOLE
bon lanné
  
YIDDISH
a gut 
yohr

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Andrew J. 
  O'Brien 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:42 
  PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] SARTG New Year 
  RTTY Contest
  
  
  


  SARTG New Year RTTY Contest

[digitalradio] RTTY software question

Last night I was on 40 meters after loading my CQ tape
into the TD a 8 station answered. Here is where it all
started down hill. Since his mark tone was right on
frequency but the space tone was way out in the weeds
some place. It also seems that hit system did not send
a CR  LF till about 100 letters while the type box makes
a black square on the right hand edge of the paper.

My question is what is the shift that these RTTY program
use and can you adjust the point the CR LF added?






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Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question

2005-12-31 Thread Craig Cook




170 Hz and Yes, at my station.On 12/31/05, John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My question is what is the shift that these RTTY programuse and can you adjust the point the CR LF added?
-- 73, Craig Cook - N7OR in Sandy, OR






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[digitalradio] Fw: NCCC RTTY Roundup Practices - All Are Invited


- Original Message - 
From: "Marc Ziegler, W6ZZZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: [RTTY] NCCC RTTY Roundup Practices - All Are Invited


> NCCC RTTY Roundup Practices - All Are Invited
>
> The NCCC invites you to participate in RTTY practice contests this 
> Thursday and
> Friday (Pacific local) in preparation for the ARRL RTTY Roundup contest.
>   - The NCCC RTTY Roundup practice duration is an hour just like it was 
> last
> year
>   - Practice is the same time Thursday and Friday (6:30pm - 7:30pm PST, or
> 0230z-0330z UTC).
>
> These practices are a good opportunity to:
>   - Test antennas to make sure they have survived the winter so far
>   - Test logging software, RTTY keying interfaces, amps, and SO2R setup.
>
> ARRL RTTY Roundup rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2006/rtty.html
>
>
> Thursday, January 5   (Pacific local)
> ---
> *** RTTY Roundup Practice ***
>   6:30pm - 7:30pm PST   [UTC: Friday, January 6, 0230z-0330z]
>   Suggested frequencies:  3585, 7085, 14085 kHz, +/-
>  (Let's be courteous to ongoing QSOs)
>   Format: ARRL RTTY Roundup rules/exchange
>
> *** NCCC CW Sprint ***
>   The standard weekly date/time for "the NS" CW practice will be the same
>  (CW practice, not RTTY practice)
>   7:30pm - 8:00pm PST   [UTC: Friday, January 6, 0330z-0400z]
>
> *** NCCC Net ***
>   Standard NCCC weekly net to discuss problems, questions, etc.
>   8:00pm PST   [UTC: Friday, January 6, 0400z]
>   3830 kHz +/-
>
>
> Friday, January 6   (Pacific local)
> ---
> *** RTTY Roundup Practice ***
>   6:30pm - 7:30pm PST   [UTC: Saturday, January 7, 0230z-0330z]
>   Suggested frequencies:  3585, 7085, 14085 kHz, +/-
>  (Let's be courteous to ongoing QSOs)
>   Format: ARRL RTTY Roundup rules/exchange
>
> *** Casual and Quick RTTY Net ***
>   To discuss any final problems, questions, issues, or observations
>   7:30pm PST   [UTC: Saturday, January 7, 0330z]
>   3830 kHz +/-
>
> ---
>
>
>   - Marc, W6ZZZ
>   - NCCC RTTY Roundup coordinator




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[digitalradio] Score Submissions Closed for Melee

2005-12-31 Thread ny2u






Greeting's:
 
We have CLOSED the score submissions for this year's TARA RTTY Melee. As of 
tonight 31-DEC-2005 the scores are fixed as displayed on the TARA web site. I 
ask ALL of you to please review these scores for any possible errors. Keep 
in mind that we (TARA) operates this contest completely on the "Honor 
System" and it takes all of us to make sure nobody abuses this system. You may 
review all of the scores at:
http://www.n2ty.org/seasons/tara_melee_results.html
 
The results were fantastic this year and I thank each of you. I'd also like 
to have a photo from anyone that participated in the contest, that includes the 
SWL folks too! If you're one of the top three in any of the different classes 
please consider submitting a photo of you and that fine station of yours. Those 
in the MULTI-OP Class should try and get the whole team in the picture for all 
to see. 
 
I personally want to wish all of you a very Happy New Year. Thank you for 
your support!
 
73 de NY2U Bill Eddy





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[digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

><
> Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the 
> Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? 
> Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for 
> the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. 
> Not good considering we have purposely crammed 
> ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current 
> regulatory envrinment. 

Hi Steve,

Question:
Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA Automatic
Sub-Band?
Answer:
After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I found the
reason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Olivia
bandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and started
in Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), and
some European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below
14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplan
details "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to use
Olivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and below
14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on
14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status of
Olivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. 

The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at
14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio
ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional
boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions and
nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment.

In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia keyboarding
activity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to move
up from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The ALE
network's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALE
operators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding channel.
The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive Olivia
QRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and at
least 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to propagate
among all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry or
special cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The ALE net
moved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively put
the Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move any
higher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.)

The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantly
conflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based and
content-based bandplan conflicts. At the same time, we also are seeing
a huge change in the nature of how we communicate on HF. Take a listen
between 14230 and 14240 sometime and you will see a similar situation
in progress. 
 
The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digital
communications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from an
older bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric model
for data exchange. This means that the future will see more
time-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic basis
than there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is causing
the "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and file for
bandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are familiar and
thus comfortable with the operational aspects of the slow information
exchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime keyboarding. 

More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the IARU
Region 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for wider
bandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've been
advocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or about
14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz bandwidth
is beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams could
not live with strong and weak CW or even PSK signals separated by
200Hz. I have never advocated any HF sub-bands for confining
automatic, semi-automatic, or remote operations. I see there is no
longer a clear distinction between what "automation" is and what it is
not. Automation in some shape or form is becoming more commonplace in
many of the new methods of HF communication. For instance, SSTV and
Digital Voice use automatic methods for station ID, handshaking, and
even automatic start-up and responses. If we continue to have
governmental radio rules confining automation in USA and elsewhere, it
will continue to conflict with actual use of communication technology
on the air by hams. It will also confine and suppress hams who lives
within the jurisdictions of these automatic rules from moving forward
with the rest of the world's hams who are not confined by antiquated
anti-automation rules.

Now, after a lot of discourse with hams from all different viewpoints,
I now believe the best thing for ham radio is to have no sub-bands at
all in radio regulatory rules. No bandwidth sub-bands. No automatic
sub-bands. No license class sub-

Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question

2005-12-31 Thread Ralph Mowery

--- John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Last night I was on 40 meters after loading my CQ
> tape
> into the TD a 8 station answered. Here is where it
> all
> started down hill. Since his mark tone was right on
> frequency but the space tone was way out in the
> weeds
> some place. It also seems that hit system did not
> send
> a CR  LF till about 100 letters while the type box
> makes
> a black square on the right hand edge of the paper.
> 
> My question is what is the shift that these RTTY
> program
> use and can you adjust the point the CR LF added?
> 
> 
It may be that the software is using 200 hz for the
shift.  At one time that seemed to be a common shift
for another digital mode, maybe packet.  With sound
cards being used on the computers some programs are
sloppy and may not even send the cr/lf and expect the
computer to take care of that.  

I wrote a computer program years ago on an 8080
processor and had it set to do an automatic cr/lf/ltrs
while I was typing.  It looked for the first space
after about 65 characters,  If it did not see one,
then it would force the cr/lf/ltrs to be sent at 72
characters.  I could disable that function if I wanted
to.
The computer keyboard I was using did not have a
linefeed so to speak of.  To get it to do that I had
to hold down the Ctrl key and use one of the leters. 
Can't recall if it was a Ctrl M or if that was the
carriage return with the ctrl key.

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Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question

Interesting Ralph.

Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not
software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines.
In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the
right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use
their enter key I may as well have not even told them...

And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap
to one of these machines.

John

At 07:45 PM 12/31/05 -0800, you wrote:

>It may be that the software is using 200 hz for the
>shift.  At one time that seemed to be a common shift
>for another digital mode, maybe packet.  With sound
>cards being used on the computers some programs are
>sloppy and may not even send the cr/lf and expect the
>computer to take care of that.
>
>I wrote a computer program years ago on an 8080
>processor and had it set to do an automatic cr/lf/ltrs
>while I was typing.  It looked for the first space
>after about 65 characters,  If it did not see one,
>then it would force the cr/lf/ltrs to be sent at 72
>characters.  I could disable that function if I wanted
>to.
>The computer keyboard I was using did not have a
>linefeed so to speak of.  To get it to do that I had
>to hold down the Ctrl key and use one of the leters.
>Can't recall if it was a Ctrl M or if that was the
>carriage return with the ctrl key.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?

2005-12-31 Thread John Lindsay

I don't know where you are located but around here (Kitchener/Waterloo, 
Ontario) we have several different computer shops that are selling 
monitors at bargain basement prices ie $50 for a used 19". I bought an 
IBM P70 about 3 years ago for $125. Now they sell for $50. Everyone is 
switching to LCD's and monitors are cheap!

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[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

>>>AA6YQ comments below

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>snip<

The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band at
14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio
ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional
boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions and
nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment.

>>>97.221 does not allocate 14101 kHz to 14112 kHz exclusively to 
automatic operation. Attended stations can reasonably use clear  
frequencies in this range, consistent with their license priveleges.

>snip<

The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digital
communications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from an
older bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric 
model for data exchange. This means that the future will see more
time-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic 
basis than there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is 
causing the "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and 
file for bandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are 
familiar and thus comfortable with the operational aspects of the 
slow information exchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime 
keyboarding. 

>>>Isn't Olivia realtime keyboarding? How do you explain the 
explosive adoption of this "slow information exchange model"?

More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the 
IARU Region 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for wider
bandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've been
advocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or about
14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz bandwidth
is beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams could
not live with strong and weak CW or even PSK signals separated by
200Hz. I have never advocated any HF sub-bands for confining
automatic, semi-automatic, or remote operations. I see there is no
longer a clear distinction between what "automation" is and what it 
is not. Automation in some shape or form is becoming more 
commonplace in many of the new methods of HF communication. For 
instance, SSTV and Digital Voice use automatic methods for station 
ID, handshaking, and even automatic start-up and responses. If we 
continue to have governmental radio rules confining automation in 
USA and elsewhere, it will continue to conflict with actual use of 
communication technology on the air by hams. It will also confine 
and suppress hams who lives within the jurisdictions of these 
automatic rules from moving forward with the rest of the world's 
hams who are not confined by antiquated anti-automation rules.

>>>The fundamental issue is not automation vs. non-automation; its 
attended vs. unattended. The SSTV and DV examples you cite above are 
all indeed automated, but they are also attended. And they are real-
time.

Now, after a lot of discourse with hams from all different 
viewpoints, I now believe the best thing for ham radio is to have no 
sub-bands at all in radio regulatory rules. No bandwidth sub-bands. 
No automatic sub-bands. No license class sub-bands. Instead, all sub-
bands should be flexible and handled in the IARU Region bandplans 
and national IARU society bandplans. It is too difficult to change 
governmental radio regulations.

>>>How do you reconcile this position with your statement above 
that "...IARU bandplanners of different regions and nations often 
don't agree or exist in the same radio environment"? How do you 
reconcile it with your post a few days back where you asserted that 
an operator could reasonably ignore a bandplan he or she considered 
inappropriate?

The Olivia 14MHz disaster is one case in point... most USA Olivia
users are oblivious to the fact that they are operating in the
automatic band.

>>>US Olivia users are entitled to operate on any clear frequency 
consistent with part 97 and their license class.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

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Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

2005-12-31 Thread Joe Ivey






Bonnie,
 
You explained thing very well. What really is 
needed is for IARU to come up with a worldwide band plan and put it in place. We 
as ham operators are very selfish when it comes to frequencies (I include myself 
also). I am not into Pactor or any of that sorta of stuff. But they deserve 
their place just like everything else. Ham radio is a worldwide hobby and every 
one needs to be in the same plan, no region 1, 2, or 3. Yes it would take some 
time to rework everything and get it up and going.
 
JoeW4JSI
Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, 
it does not matter

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  From: 
  expeditionradio 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:21 
  PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict 
  SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
  ><> Today, I note 
  that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why 
  would they use these frequencies? > Because they have obvoiously been 
  cleaned out and left for > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. 
  > Not good considering we have purposely crammed > ourselves in 
  these spaces to be good stewards of the current > regulatory 
  envrinment. Hi Steve,Question:Why is Olivia manual 
  keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA 
  AutomaticSub-Band?Answer:After doing some research into the Olivia 
  14MHz disaster, I found thereason Olivia users are camping out above 
  14101kHz. The Oliviabandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally 
  designed and startedin Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan 
  (Europe/Africa/MidEast), andsome European radio rules dictate 500Hz 
  maximum bandwidth below14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, 
  the bandplandetails "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to 
  useOlivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and 
  below14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 
  on14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status 
  ofOlivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. 
  The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band 
  at14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that 
  radioionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU 
  regionalboundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions 
  andnations often don't agree or exist in the same radio 
  environment.In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia 
  keyboardingactivity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network 
  to moveup from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The 
  ALEnetwork's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of 
  ALEoperators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding 
  channel.The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive 
  OliviaQRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and 
  atleast 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to 
  propagateamong all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry 
  orspecial cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The ALE 
  netmoved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively 
  putthe Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move 
  anyhigher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.)The 
  sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantlyconflicting, which 
  will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based andcontent-based bandplan 
  conflicts. At the same time, we also are seeinga huge change in the nature 
  of how we communicate on HF. Take a listenbetween 14230 and 14240 sometime 
  and you will see a similar situationin progress. The fact is, with 
  the growth of high speed robust HF digitalcommunications technology, 
  amateur radio is seeing changes from anolder bandwidth-centric model to 
  the use of a newer time-centric modelfor data exchange. This means that 
  the future will see moretime-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly 
  interactive and dynamic basisthan there has been in the past. This fact is 
  part of what is causingthe "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the 
  rank and file forbandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are 
  familiar andthus comfortable with the operational aspects of the slow 
  informationexchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime keyboarding. 
  More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the 
  IARURegion 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for 
  widerbandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've 
  beenadvocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or 
  about14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz 
  bandwidthis beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams 
  couldnot live with strong and weak CW or even PSK signals separated 
  by200Hz. I have never advocated any HF sub-bands for 
  confiningautomatic, semi-automatic, or remote operations. I see there is 
  nolonger a clear

Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

2005-12-31 Thread Craig Cook

I operate MT63, Olivia and any other LIVE OPERATOR to LIVE
OPERATOR mode that I wish to, on any frequency that is not being used
by anyone else (as far as I can reasonably be expected to know). I am
COMPLETELY oblivious to the existence of anything called "ale" let
alone an ale "network". If it is yet another automatic way for either:
A. Pseudo-military or pseudo-government "official" traffic
B. Yet another way for wealthy people aboard yachts to receive free email
then please spare us. I have my opinion and you have yours, but I wish this kind
of stuff was not allowed AT ALL on amateur bands. I realize it is perfectly legal under
current part 97 rules, but I think it just " aint hammin' ". I am not aware of any exclusive
automatic band. How many times have I had my actual live mfsk-variant qso interrupted
by Pactor? Plenty. If I begin a live conversation on a frequency that is not in use, but some
group calling themselves a network has designated it as their only possible frequency, then
tough you-know-what. And it is nowhere near a "disaster". Use one of the commercial satellite
services if Lovey wants to send a greeting to Thurston Howell III.
Or just QSY. When I am sitting live in front of my radio, I do that all the time, believe it or not!
--
73, Craig Cook - N7OR in Sandy, OR
The Olivia 14MHz disaster is one case in point... most USA Oliviausers are oblivious to the fact that they are operating in the
automatic band.The 7100kHz to 7105kHz USA automatic sub-band disaster is another casein point... there is a shortwave AM broadcast station there!Bonnie KQ6XA

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Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?

Interesting John, I am about 45 minutes drive from Fort Erie, I'd drive to 
Waterloo for a $50 19 inch monitor, Yankee customs might be an issue though.

Andy K3UK

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Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fixing a PC Monitor cable?

>I don't know where you are located but around here (Kitchener/Waterloo,
> Ontario) we have several different computer shops that are selling
> monitors at bargain basement prices ie $50 for a used 19". I bought an
> IBM P70 about 3 years ago for $125. Now they sell for $50. Everyone is
> switching to LCD's and monitors are cheap!
>
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[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

><
>  I realize it is perfectly legal under current part 97 rules, 
> but I think it just " aint hammin' ". I am not aware
> of any exclusive automatic band.  

Hi Craig,

Ignorance is bliss. Happy New Year! :)

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[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?

><
> If I begin a live conversation on a frequency that is not
> in use, but some group calling themselves a network has 
> designated it as their only possible frequency, then
> tough you-know-what. 

Hi Craig,

I see you are willing to time-share and cooperate fully with 
the other operators who have been cooperating and time-sharing 
for years in the USA automatic sub-bands. That's a good thing. 
When you are keyboarding in the USA sub-bands where automatic 
stations are forced to operate, I'm sure you won't be
surprised if the other operators of those automatic stations 
have a slightly different time-interval for time-sharing than 
you do.

There are many facets to the amateur radio jewel,
Some facets shine brighter from a different viewpoint.
73 and Happy New Year... the "Year of the Dog".

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Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question

2005-12-31 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.

John,
Maybe I am misremembering but I think you can take it out of current 
loop and press the CR LF yourself.  I think remember doing this when the 
line got lost in QRN on my model 19.  My former college roommate KB1KSK 
has an teletype in his house, hooked to a Linux box, and it prints the 
news in the morning.  Maybe you could put a PIC after your ST9 and have 
it count the characters and insert newlines.  Might mess up some of the 
pictures though, hi hi.
Leigh / WA5ZNU
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 7:54 pm, John Becker wrote:
> ...
> Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not
> software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines.
> In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the
> right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use
> their enter key I may as well have not even told them...
>
> And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap
> to one of these machines.


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?

Sorry Bonnie, Im with him.  My operating priviliges are listed on a chart on
my wall here.  I dont see any place I cant go within the ham bands.  Thats
why I worked and earned the Extra license.  If I find a clear frequency, ask
twice if anyone is using it, and no one shows up, its mine until I get
tired.  Thats the legal way to look at it.  Now if somneone comes up on cw
or ssb (or a digital mode I am working) and ASKS me to move because there is
a net due up there, I will try to slip the other station up or down a bit,
out of the way.  If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very
likely to be there until tomorrow.  Thats the nature of this beast.  I dont
take kindly to drivers cutting me off on the road, or radio operators trying
to bulldoze their way onto a frequency.
Danny

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Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic
Sub-Bands?


> ><
> > If I begin a live conversation on a frequency that is not
> > in use, but some group calling themselves a network has
> > designated it as their only possible frequency, then
> > tough you-know-what.
>
> Hi Craig,
>
> I see you are willing to time-share and cooperate fully with
> the other operators who have been cooperating and time-sharing
> for years in the USA automatic sub-bands. That's a good thing.
> When you are keyboarding in the USA sub-bands where automatic
> stations are forced to operate, I'm sure you won't be
> surprised if the other operators of those automatic stations
> have a slightly different time-interval for time-sharing than
> you do.
>
> There are many facets to the amateur radio jewel,
> Some facets shine brighter from a different viewpoint.
> 73 and Happy New Year... the "Year of the Dog".
>
> Bonnie KQ6XA
>
>
>
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Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question

Good grief, the news is still delivered by TTY?  I spent many years
overseas, at awful locations, and as an aside, copied Rueters, AP or UPI and
put the copies out in the hall for walkers-by to pick up and read,  We didnt
have English newscast, had no TV, no English newspapers (at least within 3-
days old) so what I provided was it.  We started missing those broadcasts as
they wre being cancelled due to a little invention call sateilite
communications. Im reallyl supprised thee are any left.

Hey it was just Christmas, wonder if he received any "Christmas Cards" on
that tty machine?
Danny

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From: "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question

> John,
> Maybe I am misremembering but I think you can take it out of current
> loop and press the CR LF yourself.  I think remember doing this when the
> line got lost in QRN on my model 19.  My former college roommate KB1KSK
> has an teletype in his house, hooked to a Linux box, and it prints the
> news in the morning.  Maybe you could put a PIC after your ST9 and have
> it count the characters and insert newlines.  Might mess up some of the
> pictures though, hi hi.
> Leigh / WA5ZNU
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 7:54 pm, John Becker wrote:
> > ...
> > Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not
> > software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines.
> > In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the
> > right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use
> > their enter key I may as well have not even told them...
> >
> > And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap
> > to one of these machines.
>
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?

2005-12-31 Thread Bill Aycock

Bonnie-
This extract from your reply to Craig illustrates the WHOLE problem.
1. NO ONE is forcing you to operate anywhere- It is only your desire.
2.I have seen no compelling reason for ANY operation on Ham frequencies 
that is done without an active operator.
Bill-W4BSG

expeditionradio wrote:

>Hi Craig,
>
>I see you are willing to time-share and cooperate fully with 
>the other operators who have been cooperating and time-sharing 
>for years in the USA automatic sub-bands. That's a good thing. 
>When you are keyboarding in the USA sub-bands where automatic 
>stations are forced to operate, I'm sure you won't be
>surprised if the other operators of those automatic stations 
>have a slightly different time-interval for time-sharing than 
>you do.
>
>There are many facets to the amateur radio jewel,
>Some facets shine brighter from a different viewpoint.
>73 and Happy New Year... the "Year of the Dog".
>
>Bonnie KQ6XA
>
>
>
>
>
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>

-- 
Bill Aycock W4BSG
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[digitalradio] RTTY news broadcasts

2005-12-31 Thread obrienaj

Danny,

I used to rely on Reuters' RTTY broadcast to get the football 
results from the UK, sometimes had to resort to Presna Latina from 
Cuba when HF conditions were poor.

Andy K3UK



--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Good grief, the news is still delivered by TTY?  I spent many years
> overseas, at awful locations, and as an aside, copied Rueters, AP 
or UPI and
> put the copies out in the hall for walkers-by to pick up and 
read,  We didnt
> have English newscast, had no TV, no English newspapers (at least 
within 3-
> days old) so what I provided was it.  We started missing those 
broadcasts as
> they wre being cancelled due to a little invention call sateilite
> communications. Im reallyl supprised thee are any left.
> 
> Hey it was just Christmas, wonder if he received any "Christmas 
Cards" on
> that tty machine?
> Danny
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RTTY software question
> 
> 
> > John,
> > Maybe I am misremembering but I think you can take it out of 
current
> > loop and press the CR LF yourself.  I think remember doing this 
when the
> > line got lost in QRN on my model 19.  My former college roommate 
KB1KSK
> > has an teletype in his house, hooked to a Linux box, and it 
prints the
> > news in the morning.  Maybe you could put a PIC after your ST9 
and have
> > it count the characters and insert newlines.  Might mess up some 
of the
> > pictures though, hi hi.
> > Leigh / WA5ZNU
> > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 7:54 pm, John Becker wrote:
> > > ...
> > > Since my RTTY station is a teletype machine and not
> > > software I seem get a lot of copy with NEVER ending lines.
> > > In time the typebox will pound a hole in the paper on the
> > > right hand edge. And even if I tell the other station to use
> > > their enter key I may as well have not even told them...
> > >
> > > And you may know, there ain't no way to add word wrap
> > > to one of these machines.
> >
> >
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[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?

><
> If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very
> likely to be there until tomorrow. Thats the nature of this 
> beast.   

Hi Danny,

It's a funny world. You hate it when others hog a frequency, but you
think it is OK for you to barge in and hog a frequency yourself. 

Fortunately, with good HF communications technology, using FEC, ARQ,
or other types of persistent and repetitious rubust automatic formats
to get a message through, it is more likely that the other operators
will simply pass communications between your breaths of air and go on
their merry way. You are certainly free to stay "until tomorrow",
marking your territory.
:)

Bonnie KQ6XA







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[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?

Lets see if we can keep our disagreements here respectful, Bonnie. 
Your twisting Danny's words is entirely inappropriate (he said he'd 
QSY if asked) and would be unnecessary were your argument 
compelling. But the picture you paint -- bandplans that can be 
disregarded, "persistent and repetitious robust automatic formats" 
that transmit over existing QSOs -- violates every precept of good 
amateur operating practice.

Send for the Wouff-Hong.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ><
> > If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very
> > likely to be there until tomorrow. Thats the nature of this 
> > beast.   
> 
> Hi Danny,
> 
> It's a funny world. You hate it when others hog a frequency, but 
you
> think it is OK for you to barge in and hog a frequency yourself. 
> 
> Fortunately, with good HF communications technology, using FEC, 
ARQ,
> or other types of persistent and repetitious rubust automatic 
formats
> to get a message through, it is more likely that the other 
operators
> will simply pass communications between your breaths of air and go 
on
> their merry way. You are certainly free to stay "until tomorrow",
> marking your territory.
> :)
> 
> Bonnie KQ6XA
>

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Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

2005-12-31 Thread Dr. Howard S. White

Bonnie
As usual what you write makes too much
sense...
Be sure to put on your asbestos
suit
Yes ... we need a world wide bandplan.. without any
glacial government regulation...
And most of the world will ultimately go that
way...like Canada and Australia
But the USA is a special place... our radio waves
always stay within our borders and we do not hear anything from the rest of the
world...
so they are going to tell you that we need the
government to make sure that we do not try anything new...
__Howard S.
White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes
Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires,
911"

- Original Message -
From:
expeditionradio
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:21
PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict
SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
><> Today, I note
that OLIVIA is plastered all over the > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why
would they use these frequencies? > Because they have obvoiously been
cleaned out and left for > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221.
> Not good considering we have purposely crammed > ourselves in
these spaces to be good stewards of the current > regulatory
envrinment. Hi Steve,Question:Why is Olivia manual
keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA
AutomaticSub-Band?Answer:After doing some research into the Olivia
14MHz disaster, I found thereason Olivia users are camping out above
14101kHz. The Oliviabandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally
designed and startedin Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan
(Europe/Africa/MidEast), andsome European radio rules dictate 500Hz
maximum bandwidth below14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also,
the bandplandetails "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to
useOlivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and
below14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63
on14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status
ofOlivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years.
The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band
at14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that
radioionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU
regionalboundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions
andnations often don't agree or exist in the same radio
environment.In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia
keyboardingactivity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network
to moveup from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The
ALEnetwork's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of
ALEoperators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding
channel.The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive
OliviaQRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, and
atleast 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to
propagateamong all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry
orspecial cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The ALE
netmoved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively
putthe Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move
anyhigher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.)The
sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantlyconflicting, which
will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based andcontent-based bandplan
conflicts. At the same time, we also are seeinga huge change in the nature
of how we communicate on HF. Take a listenbetween 14230 and 14240 sometime
and you will see a similar situationin progress. The fact is, with
the growth of high speed robust HF digitalcommunications technology,
amateur radio is seeing changes from anolder bandwidth-centric model to
the use of a newer time-centric modelfor data exchange. This means that
the future will see moretime-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly
interactive and dynamic basisthan there has been in the past. This fact is
part of what is causingthe "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the
rank and file forbandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are
familiar andthus comfortable with the operational aspects of the slow
informationexchange model such as voice, CW, and realtime keyboarding.
More frequency space is needed for wider bandwidth signals in the
IARURegion 1 bandplans on 14MHz. More space is also need for
widerbandwidth automatic operation in USA. For several years, I've
beenadvocating a 500Hz/3kHz bandwidth sub-band separation at or
about14050kHz or 14075kHz. I don't believe a sub-band for 200Hz
bandwidthis beneficial at all, or practical in the sense that most hams
couldnot live with strong and wea

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic Sub-Bands?

Nope- if they are there I go elsewhere. I expect others to do the same.  But
I cannot begin to count the times I have been there in a QSO when something
I couldnt copy came up on top of us and ruined it.

  They can work on my freq all day, as long as I cant hear them and they
dont interupt my communications, but that is not the case in the ones I am
referring to.  Mostly my breaths of air are between dits and dahs and I hope
I dont hear them then, cause it will stop me from sending, to see what is
interrupting.  In other words, I dont want to hear them on lthe same freq.
Even running a 200 cy filter doesnt help in a case like that.  If new
digital communications can do it silently, more power to them, and why are
all the autos not doing them already - then we wouldnt be having this
discussion.

Even in government communications there are rules about inteference, and we
were required to be a certain distance from any and all signals, according
to what we were running.  If there was another rtty signal within the
passband plus a few hundred cycles, we didnt go there  If an international
registered signal was assigned a certain freq, we had to leave that
frequency alone, and not qsy within an intefering distance of it.  We had
assigned base frequencies that were protected from the rest of the world,
and they had the same.

If we are to continue to have automatic stations on our bands, then those
stations should be assigned a sub band, internationally, and all other hams
told that they are, and forbidden their use.  Then you will have your auto
stations and they can intefere only with each other.  Meanwhile, if we have
ham bands that are on our lists, we shouldnt have to avoid empty frequencies
because someone MAY come up there.
- Original Message - 
From: "expeditionradio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:46 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why keyboarding in Automatic
Sub-Bands?


> ><
> > If some hogging signal comes up, that I cant read, Im very
> > likely to be there until tomorrow. Thats the nature of this
> > beast.
>
> Hi Danny,
>
> It's a funny world. You hate it when others hog a frequency, but you
> think it is OK for you to barge in and hog a frequency yourself.
>
> Fortunately, with good HF communications technology, using FEC, ARQ,
> or other types of persistent and repetitious rubust automatic formats
> to get a message through, it is more likely that the other operators
> will simply pass communications between your breaths of air and go on
> their merry way. You are certainly free to stay "until tomorrow",
> marking your territory.
> :)
>
> Bonnie KQ6XA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

Bonnie has clearly stated here that amateurs are free to disregard 
band plans that they personally view as too restrictive. Given that 
position, her call for a world wide band plan makes no sense at all.

   73,

   Dave, AA6YQ


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bonnie
> 
> As usual what you write makes too much sense... 
> 
> Be sure to put on your asbestos suit
> 
> Yes ... we need a world wide bandplan.. without any glacial 
government regulation...
> 
> And most of the world will ultimately go that way...like Canada 
and Australia
> 
> But the USA is a special place... our radio waves always stay 
within our borders and we do not hear anything from the rest of the 
world...
> 
> so they are going to tell you that we need the government to make 
sure that we do not try anything new...
> 
> __
> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6  ex-AE6SM  KY6LA
> Website: www.ky6la.com 
> "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: expeditionradio 
>   To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:21 PM
>   Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-
14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
> 
> 
>   ><
>   > Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the 
>   > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? 
>   > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for 
>   > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. 
>   > Not good considering we have purposely crammed 
>   > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current 
>   > regulatory envrinment. 
> 
>   Hi Steve,
> 
>   Question:
>   Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA 
Automatic
>   Sub-Band?
>   Answer:
>   After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I 
found the
>   reason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Olivia
>   bandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and 
started
>   in Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), 
and
>   some European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below
>   14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the bandplan
>   details "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to use
>   Olivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and 
below
>   14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 on
>   14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad status 
of
>   Olivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the years. 
> 
>   The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-band 
at
>   14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio
>   ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional
>   boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions and
>   nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio environment.
> 
>   In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia 
keyboarding
>   activity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network to 
move
>   up from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). The 
ALE
>   network's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of ALE
>   operators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding 
channel.
>   The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive 
Olivia
>   QRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months notice, 
and at
>   least 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to 
propagate
>   among all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry or
>   special cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The 
ALE net
>   moved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we actively 
put
>   the Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move any
>   higher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.)
> 
>   The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantly
>   conflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-based 
and
>   content-based bandplan conflicts. At the same time, we also are 
seeing
>   a huge change in the nature of how we communicate on HF. Take a 
listen
>   between 14230 and 14240 sometime and you will see a similar 
situation
>   in progress. 
> 
>   The fact is, with the growth of high speed robust HF digital
>   communications technology, amateur radio is seeing changes from 
an
>   older bandwidth-centric model to the use of a newer time-centric 
model
>   for data exchange. This means that the future will see more
>   time-sharing of frequencies on a rapidly interactive and dynamic 
basis
>   than there has been in the past. This fact is part of what is 
causing
>   the "growing pains" and misunderstanding among the rank and file 
for
>   bandwidth-based spectrum management in USA. Most hams are 
familiar and
>   thus comfortable with the operationa

[digitalradio] Re: Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?

Sorry, I meant to reference Bonnie's earlier post:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/12576

Its the following excerpt to which I'm referring:

"The writers of bandplans that do not follow on-the-air activity 
trends, with room for communications technology to thrive, should 
not complain when their bandplan becomes obsolete the moment it is 
published. They should not complain when their bandplan is not 
accepted or closely followed by hams on-the-air."

73,

Dave, AA6YQ



--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Bonnie has clearly stated here that amateurs are free to disregard 
> band plans that they personally view as too restrictive. Given 
that 
> position, her call for a world wide band plan makes no sense at 
all.
> 
>73,
> 
>Dave, AA6YQ
> 
> 
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Bonnie
> > 
> > As usual what you write makes too much sense... 
> > 
> > Be sure to put on your asbestos suit
> > 
> > Yes ... we need a world wide bandplan.. without any glacial 
> government regulation...
> > 
> > And most of the world will ultimately go that way...like Canada 
> and Australia
> > 
> > But the USA is a special place... our radio waves always stay 
> within our borders and we do not hear anything from the rest of 
the 
> world...
> > 
> > so they are going to tell you that we need the government to 
make 
> sure that we do not try anything new...
> > 
> > __
> > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6  ex-AE6SM  KY6LA
> > Website: www.ky6la.com 
> > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
> > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: expeditionradio 
> >   To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:21 PM
> >   Subject: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-
> 14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?
> > 
> > 
> >   ><
> >   > Today, I note that OLIVIA is plastered all over the 
> >   > Part 97.221 sub-bands. Why would they use these frequencies? 
> >   > Because they have obvoiously been cleaned out and left for 
> >   > the operations that are pertinant to 97.221. 
> >   > Not good considering we have purposely crammed 
> >   > ourselves in these spaces to be good stewards of the current 
> >   > regulatory envrinment. 
> > 
> >   Hi Steve,
> > 
> >   Question:
> >   Why is Olivia manual keyboarding in the 14100-14112kHz USA 
> Automatic
> >   Sub-Band?
> >   Answer:
> >   After doing some research into the Olivia 14MHz disaster, I 
> found the
> >   reason Olivia users are camping out above 14101kHz. The Olivia
> >   bandwidth default is 1kHz. Olivia was originally designed and 
> started
> >   in Europe. The IARU Region 1 Bandplan (Europe/Africa/MidEast), 
> and
> >   some European radio rules dictate 500Hz maximum bandwidth below
> >   14099kHz and 2.7kHz bandwidth above 14101kHz. Also, the 
bandplan
> >   details "digimode" between 14101kHz and 14112kHz. Hence, to use
> >   Olivia, european stations must camp between above 14101kHz and 
> below
> >   14112kHz on 20 metres. A very similar thing happened with MT63 
on
> >   14109.5kHz some years ago, but MT63 never reached the fad 
status 
> of
> >   Olivia, and MT63 use has decreased to near zero over the 
years. 
> > 
> >   The overlay of USA radio regulations forming the 97.221 sub-
band 
> at
> >   14101kHz to 14112kHz falls flat when you consider that radio
> >   ionospheric propagation knows know political or IARU regional
> >   boundaries... and the IARU bandplanners of different regions 
and
> >   nations often don't agree or exist in the same radio 
environment.
> > 
> >   In 2005, as you probably know, the huge increase in Olivia 
> keyboarding
> >   activity camping out around 14107.5kHz caused the ALE network 
to 
> move
> >   up from where it had been for the past 5 years (14107.5kHz). 
The 
> ALE
> >   network's move took a great effort on the part of hundreds of 
ALE
> >   operators to re-program their only 14MHz ALE data/sounding 
> channel.
> >   The ALE network would have moved earlier, due to the massive 
> Olivia
> >   QRM, but generally speaking, it requires about 6 months 
notice, 
> and at
> >   least 6 months for changes in the amateur ALE channels to 
> propagate
> >   among all operators (some ALE controllers require manual entry 
or
> >   special cabling, fill files, and setups for programming). The 
> ALE net
> >   moved up as far as it could, to 14109.5kHz and then we 
actively 
> put
> >   the Olivia community on notice that we simply could not move 
any
> >   higher than that. (By the way, I'm an Olivia operator, too.)
> > 
> >   The sub-bands among the regions and nations are constantly
> >   conflicting, which will lead to even more Olivia-like mode-
based 
> and
> >   content-based bandpl

Re: [digitalradio] Conflict SubBands: Why Olivia 14101-14112kHz USA Automatic Sub-Band?