Re: [slim] Squeezebox Classic: Optical out always on?
SuperQ;618029 Wrote: > Does the sound bar have a coax input? No, it doesn't. Anybody some idea regarding my original question? :-) -- aaron aaron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44869 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Classic: Optical out always on?
Skinny;617967 Wrote: > Welcome to the forum! > > Out of interest, what A/V receiver did you get that has automatic power > by monitoring the inputs? This could be a very useful feature! Provided > that it works with SB, of course (please tell us how it worked out). > > Anyone else with any knowledge of amps with this feature are welcome as > well. > > Oh, sorry for jacking the thread :D > > -Skinny Hi Skinny, it's not a real A/V receiver, it's a soundbar that I bought for my TV primarily: Samsung hw-c450. But nevertheless: I thought this is really a very common feature, isn't it? I'm not that much into those devices. -- aaron aaron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44869 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Classic: Optical out always on?
toby10;617961 Wrote: > See if pressing & holding the PAUSE button so the SB3/Classic actually > says "stopped" will stop the signal completely. I tried your proposal without success... Same as when pressing power off. Any other suggestions? :) -- aaron aaron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44869 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox Classic: Optical out always on?
Hi all, after reading for years in the forums and getting lots of useful hints, I've got a question, I couldn't find an answer - so I finally registered and start my very first thread :-) After renewing my A/V Receiver, I'm finally able to connect my squeezebox classic via optical out to the receiver. The problem I'm facing is, that the receiver doesn't stay in sleep mode, as the squeezebox's optical out is always active (and the receiver is configured to wake up if a signal arrives)... I already set the option to disable the outputs of the squeezebox when it is turned of, but this doesn't seem to affect the optical one. Anybody has similar problems and maybe a workaround? I'm using the very last version of squeezebox server. Thanks, Aaron -- aaron aaron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44869 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox for Sale, Hard Drive Questions
The Squeezebox is black and I'm in Boston. Thanks for all the hard drive info! ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox for Sale, Hard Drive Question
I have a new wireless SB3 for sale, used for a week. Perfect shape. $250 if anyone is interested, including shipping. I'm just selling it because I got another one, modified by Red Wine and I now really only need one. I also have a question. Has anyone found a particularly quiet hard drive to use for audiophile purposes? Thanks, Aaron Feel free to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Audio quality is terrible
> Can anyone give me some info on why audio sounds terrible. I have sb3 > connected to a onkyo receiver with boston acoustic speakers and my > music sounds terrible. > > Thanks for any help! > Musicman > > > -- > musicman > > musicman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2940 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19360 Oh, that's the well-known Squeezebox-Onkyo-Boston Acoustic bug. Just kidding. When you say "terrible" what do you mean? Digital "swirly" compression artifacts? Tinny like an old radio? Static-like distortion? How is your Squeezebox connected to your receiver? Digital? Analog? What server version are you running? What file format are you streaming to your SB3? Does the music still sound bad when you connect to SqueezeNetwork? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do I delete ALL my Playlists - for some reason Ihave TONS!
> > Aaron Zinck Wrote: > > > > > (Quoting Fredly) > > > [...] when I currently go into "Browse Playlists" I have several > > > pages (effectively every album I have). I didn't mean to create > > these > > > playlist and just want to clear EVERYTHING and start from scratch. > > > > > > What's the simplest way to clear ALL playlist? > > > -- > > > Fredly > > > > > > In Slimserver you've probably set your playlist and music directories > > to be > > the same directory. That results in all of your music showing up as > > playlists. Change your Playlist directory to a different directory > > and > > things should behave as you expect. > > I don't think this is quite right. My playlist and music directories > are the same, and this doesn't happen to me. > Ah, perhaps new versions of SlimServer behave differently in this regard. I'm certain that 5.2 did this to me when I first set up my SB1 a couple years ago (I didn't/don't have any playlists in my music directory). If this indeed has been changed then I think it's a real improvement--I found it quite confusing initially. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do I delete ALL my Playlists - for some reason I haveTONS!
> > I've been trying to get the concept of playlist straight andI think > I understand. > > However, when I currently go into "Browse Playlists" I have several > pages (effectively every album I have). I didn't mean to create these > playlist and just want to clear EVERYTHING and start from scratch. > > What's the simplest way to clear ALL playlist? > > Also, one other question, how can I play ALL my favorites? Is it > necessary to added them all to a playlist BEFORE they can be played? > > A bit confused here and would welcome some feedback. > > Cheers, Fred. > > > -- > Fredly In Slimserver you've probably set your playlist and music directories to be the same directory. That results in all of your music showing up as playlists. Change your Playlist directory to a different directory and things should behave as you expect. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: System for mounting a SB3 on a wall?
> Note that all 5.1- and 6.1-receivers have > 6-channel external inputs by definition. If you're talking about 5.1 and 6.1 external *analog* inputs, then this is not actually entirely true. While it's now quite uncommon to find receivers without full multi-channel analog inputs, this hasn't always been the case with budget receivers. For instance, I had a Kenwood VR-307 at one point which didn't have 5.1 external inputs. So if you're looking to do this, be sure you get one with multi-channel external inputs. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Distributor in Los Angeles? Help please! :-)
http://www.slimdevices.com/au_resellers.html#california ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Need fast help! - New SB3 wired can't connect to network
Bummer! Sorry to hear you fried your switch. I hope you can get things worked out...keep us posted as to how things go. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Need fast help! - New SB3 wired can't connect to network
It sounds like the SB3 is being more picky about the quality of the connection. There has been some discussion to this affect on the forums over the last couple of weeks or so. It probably isn't aut-negotiating down to 10mbps for a more stable connection (the old SB1 had only a 10base-t card). If your long run (10m) was home-made you might try re-crimping the ends. Sloppy crimping with lots of untwisted wires at either end can cause a poor connection. Alternatively, you could try picking up a cheap switch and putting it at the end of your long cable run near the SB3. It might be able to handle the auto-negotiation better over your poor cable run, then the SB3 could connect to the switch over a short, high-quality run. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] slashdotted!
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Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT & stereo damage warning
> As digital data is present on the server (for the most part) before > being sent to the SB, what would be useful is a scanner that looks for > digital noise in the input stream. This would help the overall signal > chain quite a bit. As per the OP, this isn't where the problem originated. Instead, (apparently) the DAC was in a funky state that resulted in noise from the analog outs. This is entirely independent of the stream being sent to the SB3. > However, what is really needed is what radio stations use which is > essentially a real-time mastering engine. This includes compression, > equalization, gating, peak limiting, etc. This is the only way to get > quality sound from a wide variety of music. It requires a lot of grunt > to run such a mastering engine. If the SB system were a bit more open, > the sound streams could be bussed into existing PC-based digital > mastering tools and then out to the SB for on-location D/A. Maybe that > will happen one day ;-) This is a ludicrous charge. I challenge you to show an example of a more open solution than the SB3. In fact, your suggestion of sending the streams to external processors then onto the squeezebox is already possible. This is how lame is used to compress audio for streaming to the SB, for instance. Other folks have discussed putting FIR filters inline, and certainly your suggestion could be implemented. It's important to note, howerver, that this would not fix the problem as reported by the original poster. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT & stereo damage warning
> I don't have a lot of time to spend figuring out the very best way to > talk about something for a company that ripped me off for $200+. Having > almost blown some very expensive speakers with the SB1, I really don't > have any patience left for the raft of digital noise bugs that > apparently still lives in the SB3 ( the original thread topic ). > > I do have bad experiences with the company and it will take time for > good experiences to outweigh the bad. > > You may not like the way I am saying something and you will just have > to live with that. > > On the technical side of things, I think there are countless algorithms > for identifying noise and unwanted sounds and many shipping products. > While you might have been using a SB for two years, you don't have 25 > years of audio background. Do your research before claiming things like > there's no way to do this. I am not your lab assistant or tutor. If you > are interested, do the work. Despite having no idea what my background is, you have proceeded to patronize and insult me. I am a computer engineer and am a semi-pro sound and recording engineer with 10 years of experience. I didn't claim that there's no way to do what you're suggesting. I simply offered a defense for Sean's preamp point because your argument against it was factually lacking. I might point out that you still haven't offered any specifics about your problem with the SB1. You seem much more interested in complaining and insulting than anything else. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT & stereo damage warning
> Yes, you can use the preamp as a brute-force and simplistic gain > control. I was not saying that you cannot do that. But it mostly not a > good solution for listening to music. This is a solution that all of the music-listening world uses. You need a gain control of some sort. Period. If you want to do some sort of dynamic leveling then there are many solutions for that from live dynamic compression to solutions like replaygain. I, for one, don't want a dynamic compressor in line with my music listening. > > While the preamp does allow you to set a maximum gain, it has no > knowledge of the volume of the incoming music. So you will have some > music that is too quiet and some that is too loud. I will have some music that is louder than others, that is true. But your assessment that that is not what I want is presumptious. Besides--this is far removed from the issue that started this thread so I don't really see your point here. I'm not going to bother addressing all of your other statements one by one. Sean's recommendation of running your SB3 into a preamp before an amp stands as making sense. I agree that the only absolute way to avoid damage from spikes like this is with a limiter. However, that doesn't mean a preamp won't *help* the situation (and help it tremendously). You seem to be in the my-way-or-the-highway camp of arguing. There's no middle ground with you, no shades of grey. You seem to say "if a solution leaves even a remote possibility of damage being done then that solution has no merit at all--you're all wrong and only my solution is right". A preamp can be a natural limiter of sorts as parts of its gain stage are likely to clip before allowing the full brunt of a shrieking SB3 through to the amps (by the way, for the benefit of anyone reading this post out of the context of this thread it should be noted that this is apparently an extremely unusual problem). This is not to say that there's no potential for damage, just that a preamp would help mitigate possible damage. And, by the way, any piece of electronics can malfunction at any point in time. A limiter can go bad and start feeding crap into your amps. There's no guarantee against that. I'm not saying that that doesn't make a limiter a good solution--I just wanted to remind you that it's not fail-safe. > > All I know is that the SB puts out bad data far more often than any > other digital source that I've tried. It is something to be aware of > and take appropriate measures, however compromised those measures may > be. > I've been involved in this mailing list (and forums) as either a "lurker" or active participant for over 2 years now. This is generally a very helpful and friendly community of folks with similar interests. I've watched your posts over the past couple of days and you seem to have come on here with an axe to grind. The tone of your posts seems designed to irritate and agitate. I obviously can't stop you from participating and don't desire to censor your comments, but perhaps some self-censoring is in order on your part. If this is a community that you desire to be active in then please treat people with respect. Your comment about the SB3's digital output seems pretty baseless to me and that's why it's disrespectful to all of the people on here who have tried to make this device great. Have you had the problem described? What problems have you had with the SB3's digital outs? What use does your comment serve if you're not going to point out what's specifically wrong that needs to be fixed? I think we can all acknowledge that this is a device that's on the bleeding edge. All devices have some problems and I trust SlimDevices to fix the problems with their devices more than any other company. There are occasional problems with it, but most of us are here because we love the product and we love being geeks and figuring stuff out and improving the product. I'm willing to do this because I've seen SlimDevices show incredible receptiveness to constructive criticism and fresh ideas. Their products are improved at breakneck speed. In this particular circumstance it would appear that the problem isn't any kind of Slim engineering error, but rather an error by one of their suppliers. I'm sure they'll do whatever's in their power to isolate the problem and work on getting a fix or making it right with those who are seeing the issue. Repeatedly offering disparaging comments, a big ego, and whining aren't a way to endear yourself to the community. If you don't like the SB3 then return the thing and leave the forums--that's your perogative. No one's forcing you to live with an SB3. It has a full, 30-day money back guarantee and if you don't like it you can send it back and go tell all your friends how crappy the SB3 is. If, however, you decide to keep the device then don't act like you've been duped or swindled. You had 30 days to assess the device. You know its (in my mind relatively
Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT & stereo damage warning
> > BTW, this issue cannot be solved with your 'caution' advice. A preamp > doesn't help vs. just using an amp. The volume control is not effective > either. > To the contrary--a preamp surely does help in this situation. The "garbage" sound that's been described is likely output at 100% of the SB3's potential volume output, and is certainly output at the same level irrespective of the SB3's volume setting. Bearing that in mind, if you're not using a preamp you're relying on the SB3 itself to attenuate its output to the appropriate level for listening (maybe you have it set to 30% volume) but if the SB3 malfunctions and suddenly sends a loud signal then you're looking at 100% SB3 garbage output straight into your amp with no attenuation. However, if you're using a preamp then you're likely using your SB3 at full volume output all the time and relying on the preamp for attenuation. This results in a greatly reduced volume differential between the 100% volume music signal and the 100% volume static/garbage signal. Another way to say it is that if your preamp's set to, say 30% volume level then anything coming in will be attenuated to 30% its original level before reaching the amp. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Difference
> What's the difference between SlimDevice 2 and SlimDevice 3? > > Any estimates about Real Audio becoming avaliable? > > Thanks. > > > -- > will Functionally they're identical--the only difference is cosmetic. Real Audio is supported by the AlienBBC plugin. Search around the forums and you'll find lots of info on this little gem. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
> Do any of these units come with a built in speaker or does it have to > connect to a speaker? > > Cheers > RJ > www.eye97.com None come with built-in speakers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding a song to the current playlist
> Hmmm, but telling it to play now using the fishbone skin clears the > playlist and you have to tell the Squeezebox to start random mix again. Andrew (audiofi) was referring to the "play next" button on the fishbone skin. This is actually a button distinct from the "play" and "add" buttons in fishbone. I believe this button is unique to fishbone (or, at least, there are few skins that have it). It does the same thing as pressing and holding add on the remote in that it does not clear the playlist but rather cues the given song up immediately following the current song. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
> Quoting newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > Aaron - does this mean that SB2/3 doesn't have Rhapsody support? I'll > > try to look around for an answer, but is that because SB2/3 isn't > > supported by Slimserver 5.4 or is it something else? > > > > Thanks to all for the feedback! KDF hit all the major points here, but just to be absolutely explicit about it: Yes, the reason SB2/SB3 can't use rhapsody is because realslim (the plugin that interacts with Rhapsody) does not currently work on version 6.0 and above of slimserver. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Help, my new SB3 wont connect wirelessly to my network :o(
What OS are you running? Do you have a firewall enabled? (remember that XP sp2 has a firewall enabled by default) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
This is good stuff, Ben. People often gripe about the interface but rarely offer suggestions. Kudos for bringing some real thoughtful and constructive recommendations to the table and helping to make the player better. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help, my new SB3 wont connect wirelessly to my network :o(
What exactly do you mean by "can't get it to connect to my network"? Is it not associating with the access point? or are you not getting an IP address? or is it not finding the server? > > Hi, > > After a full month of waiting my SB3 arrived today. > > Its absolutley beautiful but i cant get it to connect to my network > > At first i thought it was the WEP security. So i disabled this on my > wirless router, but it still will not connect. > > I am getting signal strength of 80% constant (the Sb3 is only 15 feet > from my router) so i know that this is ok. > > My router is a Dlink G604 T > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks > > > -- > Geoggy > > Geoggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2325 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18699 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA Support?
> > Sorry if this is a repost, but the forum won't let me search for "WPA" > since its too short a term. > > Anyhoo, will my SB1 support WPA? > No, it will never be able to. The hardware just isn't capable of doing it. Sean has addressed this in some previous threads, I'm just too lazy to go look them up. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
> > An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your > > granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door > > stop ? > A tired analogy - Granny's are not the universal measure of usability. > My Granny could give me a set of kintting needles for Christmas and I > wouldn't have the first clue what to do with them, although of course > she finds them trivially easy to use. I'd search in vain for the > documentation telling me how to operate these needles, and then maybe > go to some kintting forum complaining that this stuff should be easier > for the non-Granny to pick up and use. > > When writing documentation and designing interfaces there is always a > level of assumed knowledge and experience - there has to be. Cars do > not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already > know. Likewise, when designing the interface for the car, the > manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional. > Computers do not come with operating instructions either, you typically > get a piece of paper showing you how to connect the wires, and then some > quick start guide to Windows XP. Really pretty useless for most people > who are either completely new to the whole thing (what's a mouse?) or > already know the basics and need to be told the more complex stuff. > > Now I'm not saying the SlimServer UI/docs are perfect - far from it - > but assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a > tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too > high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it > too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read. > > > When I "browse music" why does "browse music folder" play songs > > in a different order to "browse album" ? > Because one reads the tags and one doesn't. Personally, from a UI > perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it, > which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be > customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully > the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches. > > > Where do I find a definitive tagging guide for each music format ? > > > Agreed - a list of tags read and their interpretation would be > extremely useful. > > > -- > radish Well written post, radish. And entertaining, too! I'm in full agreement. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
> What on earth does the following mean ? > "Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be > listed under that band name or with the other artists for that > album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the > "album artist" in some software." are you asking a serious question here :) ? I think it's actually rather self-explanatory if you read it slowly. But I get your point, there are some rather bizarre feature descriptions in the software. And yet, what other software even discusses a band tag? Isn't that the kind of thing many of us love Slimserver for? > An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your > granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door > stop ? Not really a good measure of usability, if you ask me. I really don't think the granny market is going to be a booming market for networked media player devices no matter how easy they are to use. And my granny would use any number of things as a doorstop. She would certainly relegate a computer to doorstop duty yet there are millions of homes with computers. I don't mean to nitpick because I know and am sympathetic to what you're trying to say, but I don't really think that granny-acceptance is the level of usability the squeezebox is shooting for. I really think the squeezebox is shooting to fill a more sophisticated need than your standard Ipod or other consumer-level equipment. It's a "prosumer" piece of home audio gear, if you will. Sure, this means that not everyone will have one, but that's the way it is for a lot of things out there. I'm all for improving the interface as improvements can be made (no point in making things arbitrarily difficult or obscure) but at the same time it's the power and the flexibility of the device that makes it distinct and appealing. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Streaming hosting services?
The only solution I can think of is this: You could have one location (or even your home?) run a pc beaming a playlist of your choice to a shoutcast server. You would have to get hosting for this such as what can be found here: http://shoutcast.serverroom.us/ (I don't know anything about that company, they're just one of the first that came up on google). Then have all your squeezeboxen connect to Squeezenetwork and tune into your custom radio station via Squeezenetwork. This would avoid you having to use tons of upload bandwidth--you'd only use the bandwidth necessary for a single stream and the shoutcast server would bear the brunt of distributing the stream. It would also allow you to run squeezeboxes at each location without having to have a computer at each site. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] a positive SB3 review
> for mass adoption, our favourite music player HAS to work quickly and > effortlessly out of the box It's a good point and there is probably a lot of room for improvement there. There are still lots of very geeky things about the interface, the software probably makes too many assumptions about your knowledge of the system and its paradigms, and (through no real fault of the device or its software) people are likely to be further disoriented by music-scanning idiosyncracies that are exacerbated by the rogue, non-standard world of music tagging (v1 tags, v2, v2.1, etc...). That being said, I find the interface quite usable, and it's interesting to me how many reviews I've read of the squeezebox that specifically mention how *easy* the device was to set up. In most of the comparisons I've read that's been a tick in the "pros" column for the Squeezebox. So I'm prone to want to say that this reviewer is an anomaly who did a particularly poor job of familiarizing himself with the device. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
There are a number of things that have already been recounted in this thread that make the SB2/SB3 superior to the SB1. Some others are the geekport, more advanced wireless support (wireless G, WPA, etc.), support for visualizations, and bit-perfect pass-through (important if you want to stream WAV-encoded DTS). And the significance of SB2/SB3's hardware support of more audio formats goes beyond simply helping alleviate bandwidth usage--ffw/rev doesn't work on any formats that aren't supported in hardware. There are also some quirks with the SB1's digital output section like the fact that it sometimes, under certain circumstances, swaps the left and right channels (I don't recall the exact circumstances, it has to do with switching between mp3 decoding and wav). This being said, I happen to have an SB1 and I have no problem living without any of those improvements. My squeezebox still does what I bought it to do and it does it wonderfully. I've never personally run into the channel-swapping issue (or maybe I have and didn't know it!) and since I only stream 320kbps MP3 and my squeezebox sits on a wired network I wouldn't currently get any benefit from the new formats or the larger buffer. This all just goes to say that you can still certainly get a great and satisfying experience from an SB1. HOWEVER: the main reason I have never, and will probably not in the near future, consider replacing my SB1 is RHAPSODY SUPPORT. The SB1 will run under Slimserver 5.4 and the RealSlim plugin allows me to interact fully with Rhapsody. This, to me, is the "killer app" for the Squeezebox. I have heard some rumors of folks getting RealSlim to work on version 6 of the server but I tried it briefly with no success--I would think the rather fluid nature of the 6.x server development makes this a delicate solution at best. Also, there have been some rumblings on these forums that perhaps Squeezebox 2/3 may support the appropriate DRM to allow playback of Rhapsody/Napster/Yahoo music. But until then, if you're looking to use Rhapsody the SB1 is the best option in the Slim world (the SLIMP3 would work, too). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] a positive SB3 review
It's nice that the review had a positive conclusion but I worry that all of it's omissions and inaccuracies might turn folks away from the SB3. It seems as though this reviewer never bothered to look at the manual or spend any time with the SB3 as he was baffled even by how to properly cue music. Ridiculous. I shot an email to the site mentioning all of the reviewer's errors. Hopefully it gets corrected so that the SB3 can shine like it deserves to. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB3/6.1.1 and DTS issues
> If I have volume set at full on the SB3 will the sound quality degrade. > I'm not an audiophile - but I think we've all noticed that when you > crank the volume on source devices that use plain 'ol RCA jacks that > you can sometimes get some distortion in the signal. Not sure if that > same principal holds for optical/digital or not. The principal does *not* hold. In fact, to the contrary, you will get the *best* sound quality from a digital connection like this when the source is at full volume. This is because with a digital signal there is a discrete amount of dynamic resolution, and when you lower the volume you also lower the amount of resolution. So quiet passages can be lost entirely, and other elements can lose fidelity. The reason analog audio can sound bad when driven into inputs at high levels is because the voltages supplied can literally overload the preamps and cause clipping. This is not an issue with digital audio as the digital signal voltages do not change based upon the volume level of the digital signal (just ones and zeros). The analog preamp stages in a digital processor come after the digital decoding is done and any DAC will be matched to its accompanying preamp and calibrated in such a way as to not overdrive the preamp stage. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 'Welcome to Slimserver' title
> the only other thing that it could be then would be browser caching. I don't > recall any of the skins using a hard coded title, and the localised > strings all > come from strings.txt (unless you specifically create a slimserver-strings.txt > file for custom strings). > > Maybe you can coax it into flusing by changing the language in server settings > to something else, then back to english. > -k Perhaps Adrian's using the windows executable? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: RadioIO left-channel static
I sent another complaint to RadioIO yesterday. Hopefully they'll appreciate that this is a real problem. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] old pc and slimserver
> Hi, > I've got an old pc based on via [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mini-itx motherboard, > fanless, two ethernet onboard) with 512 mb of ram). I'm planning to use > it as a dedicated slimserver. The OS will be gentoo with only sshd, > dhcpd, slimserver installed on a 4gb microdrive (or a 1GB notebook hard > disk if this is still working). The music library will be on a 3.5" > maxtro eide disk (80gb). I'm still unsure about how to connect it to > the sb2 (I need to check for compatibility an 11mbit usb wireless > adapter). > > Is there something else I should consider ? The cpu power should be > quite good for the task and the memory should be no problems at all. > what's about using USB hard disks for the library ? This motherboard > only supports USB 1.1 :( I'm planning to use only one SB2 > > thanks > > giuliano > > > -- > giulianoz Throughput via USB 1.1 won't be a problem if you're just streaming mp3. If, however, you're looking to stream a lossless format then you'll be getting closer to two-thirds or so of the theoretical throughput of the interface. Even so, I'd guess it'd work for you just fine as long as the unit's doing nothing else with that disk. Initial scanning of your collection may take *quite a while*. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeBox in my Car!
> I now remember the name - one is Omnifi (the one that has wifi > ability): > > http://www.omnifimedia.com/home/ > I actually have an Omnifi...it has it's plusses and minuses but overall I'm quite happy with it. I considered building a car computer for some time but couldn't justify it since you can find the Omnifi for ~$100. Navigation is pretty good--one of the biggest drawbacks is the inability to create custom playlists on the fly. You're limited to existing playlists, or album-at-a-time, artist-at-a-time, or genre-at-a-time. The software it's initially packaged with leaves a lot to be desired, and the device's firmware was lacking some functionality, but there's quite an active Yahoo group that has managed to hack the device and add a lot of much needed functionality. They've really opened it up to the point where it's nearly just an open linux machine. Along the way they've also discovered that the GPL was violated for several elements of the device's firmware. A replacement, open firmware has been developed by some devoted hackers. Check out this site for more details: http://openfi.sourceforge.net/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: IR "STOP" Command?
> Can't do that! No way to "hold a button down" in an IR macro! > > Are there any buttons you don't use on the remote (for instance, I don't use the volume buttons)? You can remap a given keypress to the STOP function. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Watt Consumption
> > Hi all , > > I've just got my new squeezbox2 from United States and I need to use an > AC adapter (I live in israel where we use 220V). I've got one from > Philips but it is limited to electric products that consumes as much as > 30 watts. Does anyone know how much squeezbox2 consumes? > > Thanks , > Yoni. > The UK power supply is labelled as 5V 2A output so should be 10W max. > You should be fine. > Your Philips supply is 5V? More likely it's 110VAC and he plugs the Squeezebox's existing US AC to DC adapter into that. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB3 on gizmodo.com
> I was spitting at this comment on the article "This product seems pretty > much identical in functionality to the Roku Soundbridge, except it costs > over $100 more. When is someone going to make a network mp3 player that > I can connect directly to my external harddrive full of music? Funny thing is...'someone' already does. Aside from the various high-end devices that do this, the decided low-priced Omnifi DMS1 has this exact capability (the drive can be a basic external usb hd--doesn't need to be a NAS since it doesn't require server software). Only problem is the device is terrible. Slow, clunky, poor audio quality, practically featureless. I don't know why this reviewer seems to think that a device that you can connect an external hard drive to is somehow the "Holy Grail" of audio streamers--seems like a pretty short-sighted view in the world of entertainment convergence. It's amazing to me that someone (i.e. this reviewer) who's been exposed to the broad scope of the SlimDevices approach to audio delivery and distribution could long to drag around an external hard drive everywhere they might want their music. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Queuing
This can be implemented in skins--the fishbone skin has a specific button for this (immediately next to the play button) but I am unsure of which other skins support it. "Peter van Cooten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Just today I have wondered if there is an webUI equivalent to push-and-hold > the Add on the remote? Just keeping the plus-sign pressed will not work on a > web-page ;-) > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: davep [mailto:davep.1x4dtb-NUepA2SMhDQqspMVqqL2D+4xXEVPTSb/[EMAIL PROTECTED] e.org] > Sent: woensdag 19 oktober 2005 0:47 > To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > Subject: [slim] Re: Queuing > > > You can actually do two things with the ADD button - a single push adds the > new track to the end of the current playlist whilst a push-and-hold action > cues it up to play immediately after the currently playing track. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Scan Speed Adjustment ?
> This is how it =should= work but doesn't. You have to press the > button for each increase in speed (e.g. 4 clicks to go to 16x). Not > very intuitive. I've posted a feature request which addresses this and > a few other usability issues. > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911 > > y. > > > -- > Yannzola I wouldn't agree that that's how it "should" work. In fact, I think the way it works now is perfect. It allows for more precision and doesn't require that you get your timing just right. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Small Softsqueeze wish: keyboard control buttons
Though I haven't explicitly tried it, I'd be surprised if Girder weren't capable of responding to those button-presses. You could then make that event do anything you might like, including instantiating other keypresses or running scripts or anything. Check out http://www.promixis.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Live stream time-shifting support (via third party)?
> IMHO Time-shifting live streams seems like a logical extention of > Slimserver capability. Has anyone looked into what it would take for > Slimserver to mesh with an application like Replay Radio or Replay > Music (or any others...)? Could a plugin be written, or are the two > technologies incompatible? I know that Roku is actively communicating > with the developers of Replay Radio to develop seamless integration of > timeshifting plus a few other goodies... Any similiar plans from the > fine folks at Slim Devices? > > y. > > (edit: I modified the thread title to be a bit more descriptive) > > > -- > Yannzola A long-standing request -- see bug 1959: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1959 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Track search forward/Backward
> I guess my main question is why this plugin is even necessary. Right > now I have my screensaver set to progress bar when music is playing. > Why couldn't the up/down buttons on the remote just use that for > real-time scanning, while also showing the progress through the song? > This would make it operate like, say, Windows media player where you > just slide the bar to wherever in the song you want. Since we only > have buttons on a remote, with no mouse to select an arbitrary point, > the method you use for scanning (progressively faster as you hold it > down) would work fine. I could care less about audio feedback; I just > want to go quickly to a particular spot. > Right now the up and down buttons are used to navigate the playlist. To me that's a much more important core feature than scanning the track. The best way that I can figure to integrate the song-scanner plugin would be if it were available as an option when you press "right" from the currently playing track. But it's been mentioned in the past that there's no hook for plugins to make themselves available to that menu. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bottom line re: Yahoo Unlimited Music?
> > there are workarounds for drm issues. use a program that broadcasts > sound produced by the computer, and point sb at the broadcast. > This is not really a viable alternative. While technically this will allow broadcast of the audio to the squeezebox, you are limited to controlling the audio from the computer and there is no display of song/artist/album information on the squeezebox. Additionally, the usefulness of such a system for the less than tech-savvy (read: friends and family) is next to nil. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ouch! My aerials broken!
It's probably an old pic from the original Slimp3 days when the bundled remote was just a sony universal programmed to operate the Slimp3. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] active speaker suggestions
Here's an old thread on the topic: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10597 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: RadioIO left-channel static
> I am not hearing static on either my squeezebox or the 128k RadioIO stream > using Windows Media player. When you use Windows Media player are you using their pay stream or the free-but-hidden 128k stream provided to SlimDevices customers? (I don't know if we've established if the free 128k stream for Slim customers is in fact the same as the subscription-only 128k stream). Also, which RadioIO channel do you listen to? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: RadioIO left-channel static
Wow, I'm surprised they don't have some sort of more secure lock on their high-quality stream. I've only ever listened to the free 32k stream on my computer--I just fired the free stream up a few minutes ago and have yet to hear any static. Seems like it probably is a problem with their high-quality stream. You'd think they'd want to get their high-quality stream all fixed up for their paying customers. > > I used urlsnooper (recommended in a previous thread) on my slimserver to > find where to point winamp for the test. > > Chris > > > -- > lostboy ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: RadioIO left-channel static
"Aaron Zinck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > dean Wrote: > > > Given that you've heard it in SoftSqueeze and on the hardware player, I > > > suspect it's a problem in the original RadioIO data. I'd drop their > > > customer support folks a note. > > > > That's exactly what I will be doing, but it would be nice to say that > > I've found other people who have noticed this. And it would be nice to > > be able to find someone who's noticed it listening with non-SD harware > > and/or software. > > > > > > -- > > Dave D > > > I listen to RadioIO Acoustic and I've noticed it, too. I should clarify that I only listen via my SB1--haven't tried listening any other way. The problem didn't used to exist but has been problematic recently. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Digital Speakers
> > There is no such thing as "digital speakers", all loudspeakers are > inherentily analog, as they take an analog electrical signal and > translate it to an analog sound. Agreed > The question is do you want an amp and DAC inside the speaker? > > I'd answer no, because the SB2's DAC is pretty darn good, and you > probably won't beat it until you are looking at top of the line > meridians. Agreed > If you are looking at studio monitors how about Mackie's 624. They are > THX Ultra certified and used in the two recording studios I've been in. > Very flat, and very good sounding. I also agree on this point, however they're far outside his price range. At the price point he's looking at he's best off just going to his local electronics/computer retailer (something like a Best Buy) and finding a set of computer speakers that sound good to him. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: RadioIO left-channel static
> dean Wrote: > > Given that you've heard it in SoftSqueeze and on the hardware player, I > > suspect it's a problem in the original RadioIO data. I'd drop their > > customer support folks a note. > > That's exactly what I will be doing, but it would be nice to say that > I've found other people who have noticed this. And it would be nice to > be able to find someone who's noticed it listening with non-SD harware > and/or software. > > > -- > Dave D I listen to RadioIO Acoustic and I've noticed it, too. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Two Squeezeboxes
Jim's right, of course, I just wanted to add a bit of clarity: he's referring to selecting the player from the drop down on the top-right of the screen, not from the panel on the left. Are you sure you chose the right player in the web interface? You need to select the player then start the stream. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: I'm going to open the Realslim can of worms again...
> I've SlimServer hang running RealSlim before because of a UPnP issue
> that I fixed by manually setting IP address in common.pm. If you've
> done this, make sure you've set the correct IP address for your new
> computer rather than just copying the file over. (This might be
> obvious, but I thought I'd mention it anyway).
Yeah...thanks for double-checking on this but I've done this.
> When you find it crashing, try running the windows event viewer
> ("eventvwr" from the Run dialog box). Look at the Application messages,
> and see if there are any errors from slim.exe. If so, that might help
> debug the crashes.
good suggestion...I'll be gone for the holiday weekend but I'll look into it
some more when I return.
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Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver over Internet?
> Where is that setting? > > > -- > bjackson It's actually under player settings, not server settings. Go to player settings -> audio ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: I'm going to open the Realslim can of worms again...
> > Hmmm. I don't think it's a problem with HookAndDie after all. I've also > seen the problem you mention, where restarting slimserver makes things > work. I've been meaning to figure that out and fix it, but haven't felt > that motivated, though it's a nuisance. I also noted in my last update > to the earlier realslim thread that there was an additional bug causing > slimserver to crash when trying to play anything -- and I posted yet > another version of plugin.pm. Did you see that? > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14253&page=2 > > Unfortunately, I don't think I've seen the problem of the library not > being read, and I'm not sure what could be causing it. > > Let me know if you have already tried the most up to date plugin file. > > > -- > gsamsa After much tinkering last night I have come to agree that it's not a HookAndDie issue. I should clarify--it's not restarting SlimServer that improves the issue, it's restarting the RealSlim service. Here's what I've discovered: We'll call my computer that I've been using to run SlimServer for the past 12 months computer A. It's an athlon 2800+ running windows XP sp1. I've successfully configured realslim and slimserver 5.4 on this machine and all has been wonderful for the past year (pretty much). Computer A's installation of realslim 0.6 is completely "stock" (doesn't use any of gsamsa's altered files). My "new" computer is computer B. It is the one having all the issues and has the specs I've outlined in previous emails. I know that hookanddie works because I can run rhapsody on computer B (with the realslim extensions) and my slimserver installation on computer A can talk to it and use it just fine. However, when I attempt to install slimserver on computer B (having shut down slimserver on computer A to ensure no issues) things go awry. I've tried slimserver 5.4 as well as 6.1.1 and both the stock as well as the altered versions of plugin.pm (yes, the newest version in the thread you mentioned) and common.pm. I've tried starting and restarting things in every order I can imagine. I've installed and reinstalled in every order I can imagine. My most common result is that slimserver will start and hang after partially starting (I can start to pull up the web page but then as the graphics are delivered it just hangs and never recovers). Sometimes the server won't start at all. The closest I've gotten was what I described in my post 2 days ago when I could browse and search the rhapsody catalog, though it would not let me see "my library" nor would it play anything from rhapsody (the server crashed immediately). I understand if you're not able to troubleshoot this any further. I realize that it's likely a rather complex issue. I just wanted to get the details of what I've been dealing with out there so that there's as much information as possible available whenever someone decides they want to really fix up the realslim plugin. I appreciate any help anyone can offer. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: I'm going to open the Realslim can of worms again...
Thanks for trying, but the file is corrupted--could you perhaps mail it to my gmail account? My username on gmail is azinck. BTW, using the hookanddie.exe that comes with realslim 0.6 I have gotten really close to getting everything to work. I am now running the release version of slimserver (6.1.1) and the version of plugin.pm that you (gsamsa) provided most recently on the aforementioned realslim thread as well as a version of common.pm modified as you suggested on the same thread. If I let all services start normally on boot and launch rhapsody then hookanddie does not succeed at hooking into rhapsody. If I, however, leave rhapsody open and simply stop the realslim service and restart it then I can browse and search the rhapsody catalog. Attempting to browse my rhapsody library, however, results in an empty list, and trying to play anything from rhapsody (after searching the rhapsody catalog) seems to crash or hang the server. Do you suppose your new version of hookanddie would fix this? I should mention that I *have* tried reinstalling the realslim rhapsody components and it hasn't seemed to help anything. Thanks again for your help on this! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: I'm going to open the Realslim can of worms again...
> > I'm attaching a modified version of HookAndDie.exe. I made some comments > a while back about what I modified in the realslim forums on > sourceforge. Let me know if it makes any difference. > > > +---+ > |Filename: HookAndDie.zip | > |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=289| > +---+ > > -- > gsamsa Awesome...thanks for your help...I'll try it tonight when I get home from work. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I'm going to open the Realslim can of worms again...
I don't know why I didn't think of this originally but it occurs to me that I should have posted this in the 3rd party plug-ins forum. Sorry about that folks! I'll move it there now... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] I'm going to open the Realslim can of worms again...
I've been trying to set up a "new" (new to me...old in actuality--it was given to me by a friend) server these past couple of days but have had fits getting the Realslim plugin to work. There have been a number of problems (I've always had a number of problems initially configuring realslim), but with some fiddling I seem to be able to get everything to work except that the Rhapsody portion of the plugin (hookanddie.exe) doesn't hook into the Rhapsody application. While I can't get this to work on my "new" server, in the past I've managed to get the setup working on various computers with Win2k SP4 as well as WinXP SP1. I've never managed to get it working on WinXP SP2 (if anyone out there has had success with that I'd love to hear about it!). My new setup follows: Duron 650 384 MB RAM integrated NIC integrated sound WinXP SP1 Rhapsody v. 2.1 I'm logging in under an account with administrative privileges that's not called administrator. and probably not pertinent but I'll list it anyhow: Squeezebox 1 wired with character-based display I've tried the setup with both slimserver 5.4 (Dec. 3rd '04 nightly--old, I know, but it's the version I've had success with on other machines) with Realslim 0.6 as well as slimserver 6.1 (the latest release version) with the modified Realslim plugin.pm and altered upnp common.pm file as specified by gsamsa in this thread (btw, thanks, gsamsa, for doing some work on Realslim...it's greatly appreciated): http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14253&highlight=realslim Does anyone know if the hook into the Rhapsody app is dependent upon the sound card in any way? Or perhaps I need to do something with the ports on this machine...I have no firewalls running of any sort. I'll also mention that I *do* have UPNP turned on in the rhapsody app. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This machine has a totally fresh install of XP, updated to SP1 with nothing on it but rhapsody, realslim, and slimserver. I have no other 3rd-party plugins installed into slimserver and have only a handful of mp3 files in a test music directory. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Small footprint receiver?
> Do you need a whole receiver or just an amp? > > Also need a receiver. My wife likes to listen to a few radio stations > that do not stream and it would be a problem if she could no longer > pull them in. > > Thanks, > > Jon > > > -- > Bonesteel Sorry--if I'd read your original post more carefully I would have seen that. Unfortunately I've no suggestions or experience with anything small that has an integrated tuner... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Small footprint receiver?
> This is not strictly a Slim Devices query, but someone may have some > insight they wish to share. I have an original SLIMP3 player which has > served me well. I'm interested in upgrading to a new SB2 for my master > bathroom, but I'm having trouble finding an appropriate receiver. I am > looking to install ceiling speakers to minimize the space impact and > achieve great sound. I would like to find a stereo receiver that has a > very small footprint, yet provides a decent amount of power and an FM > tuner (for when real radio calls - mostly for the WAF). I have seen > many small systems at Best Buy for example, but they all seem to > include speakers - which I don't need. Also, they are really not that > small. An in wall receiver would be ideal. Anyone have any > recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Jon > > > -- > Bonesteel Jon, Do you need a whole receiver or just an amp? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB2 & Power DVD for Home Theatre Playback
> Newbie here, so please be gentle if I ask something which has already > been answered. > > I'm a strickly a two channel guys BUT have a Home Theatre which > currently uses PowerDVD to Project on a screen and sound via a long > coax cable from my Computer, to an external DAC. > > As a Video player PowerDVD offers MANY different setting for me to > "virtually" create surround sounds through my two speakers setup. > > This setup is effective in doing the overall job and suits me well. > > Anyhoo, once I purchase a SB2, and integrate into my current setup, > will I be able to channel the downmixed 5.1 information to my Stereo, > as I currently do. > > This is pretty important to me. > > All feedback regarding this would be VERY much appreciated. > > Thanx much Fred in Canada > > > -- > Fredly If you're asking to match the video from your computer (powerDVD) to audio delivered via a powerDVD -> squeezebox2 -> stereo setup then the short answer is that it's not possible/feasible. Please see this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643 Routing audio output from an application to the squeezebox is certainly possible (see the bug listing for a couple of suggestions), but the squeezebox is not really natively designed for this and there would be nightmarish issues related to delay and buffering that would render matching audio to the projected image nearly impossible. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Keyboard shortcut commands for Slimserver?
> I suppose it'd be possible to do this with a clever javascript skin though > that may be tricky. > There are keyboard shortcuts in ExBrowse2 and Default2: > Z - previous > X - play/pause > C - play/pause > V - stop > B - next > R - toggle repeat > S - toggle shuffle > -, = - volume down and up > - Jacob haha...well, you *are* a tricky one, Mr. Potter...nicely done...I haven't had a chance to play around with your (apparently very well done) skins since I'm still running 5.4 (I need my rhapsody...) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Keyboard shortcut commands for Slimserver?
> I realize that this would be difficult to implement accross platforms, > but would it be possible for Slimserver to respond to keyboard shortcut > commands...? For instance: > Play or pause a file. CTRL+P > Stop playback. CTRL+S > Mute the volume. F8 > Increase the volume. F10 > Decrease the volume. F9 > Play the previous item. CTRL+B > Play the next item. CTRL+F > Rewind. CTRL+SHIFT+B > Fast-forward. CTRL+SHIFT+F > > I know many new keyboards now come with standard with mapped volume, > stop, play pause, "media" buttons etc. It would be nifty if you could > use these keyboard buttons to operate Slimserver directly... I suppose it'd be possible to do this with a clever javascript skin though that may be tricky. There is an interim solution, however (while you're waiting for someone to take on that project): What you could do (if you have just one specific player that you want to execute those commands on), is use Girder which could easily be set up to take advantage of Slimserver's CLI so as to get the exact functionality you're requesting. If you do this with Girder then you'll need to be careful--either construct the macros so that they do a check and only execute if slimserver or some other designated app is in the foreground, or remember that if you use the shortcuts while in another program that you may run into deleterious effects as, say, your playback stops (CTRL + S) but you also save over the top of that spreadsheet you were working on. You get the picture... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Different music libraries for different clients
> now I'd like to be able to listen remotely using > SoftSqueeze, and I don't have the bandwith to stream > the lossless tracks. No need to complicate matters with multiple libraries...Slimserver can do downconversion on-the-fly on a per-client basis. In the web interface go the player settings for your softsqueeze client, then choose audio, and then limit the bitrate to whatever your connection can handle. You'll need lame installed for this to work. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Mount SB2 upside down - rotate display text
So this is off-topic, but are you the same gonk as the fellow from the Outlaw forums? > > So I have now opened the SB2 and yes, you can rotate the display and the > cable is just long enough. I had to cut two small supporting tabs as > some leads on the PCB to the display got in the way. But there are > still several support to the display so it is still in place. > > Thank you all! > > > -- > gonk ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Feature Request: Web interface for Sony PSP
Does the handheld skin not work well? > > The Sony PSP will have Web browser capability with the 2.0 firmware to > be released on August 12, 2005. > > It would be great if a new Sony PSP specific web page served by the > SlimServer could be created. It would be formated for the small screen > of the PSP. That way, the PSP could be used as an enhanced remote for > the Squeezebox2. > > > -- > dannyg ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The SB2 appears to have some serious flaws!
Ha...sorry...I didn't see this branch before I posted this same idea to the other branch... > Isn't this pretty much what the 'zapped' playlist does? > You press and hold the 'add' key to move the currently playing song to > it, rather than just delete it. > I haven't used it for a while but I assume it still works? > James ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The SB2 appears to have some serious flaws!
You can get pretty close to your flag idea if you take advantage of the "zapped songs" functionality. When playing a song in "Now Playing", if you press and hold the "add" button the song will be removed from "Now Playing" and added to your "Zapped Songs" playlist. Once you've added all the tracks you want to add to "Zapped Songs" then just load up the "Zapped Songs" playlist and save it as a new playlist under any name. The only drawback is that the next time you want to do this you'll need to go to your computer and manually clear the "Zapped Songs" playlist. Or I'm sure a plugin could be developed to accomplish that. > > I just realized that I can't even do what I'm proposing from the > computer. When creating a playlist, as soon as I attemp to play a song > (because I need to preview it), the list is deleted. Unfortuneatly I > suspect there are fundamental technical issues with the creation of an > additional "que" where one could store song selections (that are > previewed in the playlist) > > You want a suggestion? Here's a simple halfway measure that I would > find VERY usefull. > > THE CURRENT ISSUE: > How do you create playlists? > > THE PROBLEM: > You have to have already decided what you want to put in the list > BEFORE it's created and how do you do that? > Do you keep a pen and paper at your listening seat and note each song > that you like while it's playing in order to create the list later? Do > you memorize the stuff you want to "playlist"? > These techniques are neither very "efficient" nor particularly > "intuitive". > > THE SOLUTION: > As a halfway measure one thing I would find VERY usefull (and easy to > implement) would a "flag" button (on the remote)so that one could keep > track of tunes that one wants to put in a playlist at a later time > (other than when SB2 is actually playing). > At the computer interface this "flag" could show up as a check mark > beside the song track. One could then visually search for the flagged > songs or better yet, use a search feature to locate the "flagged" tunes > . It would then be easy(er) to mix and match songs in playlists. > *In terms of needing a new button on the remote I believe that would > also be an easy problem to solve: > Just use the current "add" button and give it 2 user defined funtions > "flag" or "add" (which could be toggled in the server settings menu). > > PS > I have done something my own version of a "flag" technique for years. > On the back of the CD box I would simply "check" or circle (with > permanent marker) the songs that I liked. That would facilitate the > quick creation of a "selected tracks" playback list on my CDP whenever > I cued up that CD. > > > -- > gdg ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB2 Remote control clashing
> > Sean, what does this mean for the SB2's ability to have discrete power > > on/power off codes? From a recent thread here, I got the impression > > that this feature was forthcoming. Once the SB2 is updated to recognize other IR signals (the sb1 and slimp3 can currently do this) then you'll have no trouble changing the ir and map files to make virtually any 2 arbitrary ir codes act as discrete on and off. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Light hearted thread - how old is yours?
I'm still using 5.4 but don't feel like signing up for the forum so I can't actually vote. I'm using 5.4 since it works well with Rhapsody/Realslim and meets most of my needs (I have a non-graphical SB1). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: A better remote?
"zuvembi" wrote in message > > > A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the > results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14863 > > Question: Would you be interested in a better remote? > > - No, I'm happy with the current design > - Yes, it should be included with the SB > - Yes, but I'm willing to buy a "designer" remote as an optional > extra. > > > I'd kill to add a single button, the minus key. > > I've lost count of the number of times I wanted to remove a single song > from the list of playing songs. No I don't want to add it to the zapped > playlist, I just don't want to listen to it *right now*. > You can do this: while holding down the "add" button zaps a song, pressing it only momentarily while in the "Now Playing" list will simply delete it from the current playlist. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: A better remote?
> But to be hinest, I don't think this would offer any new functions on > the remote to make it easier to use, just allow me to control all my > devices (in a more limited way) with one remote. You actually could (quite easily) add functionality--take a look at the .map and .ir files...by modifying them you can make a remote do plenty of things that the original remote didn't come configured to do. And then with plugins you could accomplish even more... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player States, Brightness and Screensavers
> Would someone care to give me a simple explanation of the various > operational states of a Squeezebox. > > Looking through player settings, we have different settings for both > screen savers and brightness and their relationships to player states. > But those states are described differently. > > Under Brightness settings, we have > > on > off > idle > > and under Screensavers we have > > playing > not playing > off > > The screensavers settings seem fairly straightforward. I guess "idle" > is the one that throws me. What exactly is "idle"? Why not use the > same player states for both brightness and screen saver? The screensaver only comes on when the player is idle (or off) and when the player's on and idle you probably don't need different brightness settings depending on whether or not the player was playing something when it was idle. The correlation is this: player state: ON --- screensaver: never on brightness: uses brightness setting for ON player state: IDLE and PLAYING (player is on but has received no user input for designated amount of time) -- screensaver: "PLAYING" screensaver is on brightness: uses brightness setting for IDLE player state: IDLE and NOT PLAYING (player is on but has received no user input for designated amount of time) -- screensaver: "NOT PLAYING" screensaver is on brightness: uses brightness setting for IDLE player state: OFF -- screensaver: "OFF" screensaver is playing brightness: uses brightness setting for OFF ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] File-Sharing Services May Be Sued
> "Steven Moore" wrote in message > Since the file sharing companies are being held responsible for what > people do with their computers then > the gun companies will now be sued for all the woundings and killings > by idiots with guns. > The car companies for people killed in accidents etc or will they... While I'm not sure where I stand on this and am certainly a big fan of personal responsibility one must allow that there's a difference between the situations you present and the Grokster case. One can hardly argue that the primary use of guns (in the US) is to illegally kill people, and neither is the primary use of cars to kill people in accidents. There are substantial legal ways that both those items can be used...and indeed are primarily used in legal ways. I would be all over going after gun or car companies if they ever advertised "buy our guns...they're great for hold-ups" or "our cars are excellent for going out and getting into wrecks and killing other people"; which is similar to what Grokster did: they marketed their software as being good for breaking the law, and indeed their software was primarily used to break the law. Again, I'm not sure where I stand on this because it's a complicated situation, but I just want to resist simplifying it too much as it's really not like guns or cars--in fact, it seems unlike anything that has come before it. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] can I edit playlists from web interface while playlist isplaying?
> Does the software support this functionality? I wish there were more > screenshots on the website. Go ahead an download slimserver--it's a totally free download and you can test it with softsqueeze or through a media player of your choice. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB2 not powering off when server not present
> Why keep it powered when it's > not in use? > > Max I should mention that I don't really feel strongly about this one way or another (especially since I don't have a SB2!) but the only reason I can think of is that perhaps the technical difficulty of achieving what you desire is not worth it to save the couple of dollars a year it costs to power the display. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DTS+Dolby Digital multichannel playback only with SB2?
> The question is the title. The title is the question. Any idea? > > I own a SB1 and tried ripping a Dolby Digital 5.1 file to FLAC. Playing > it back through SB1, with fixed digital volume, did not work on my DD > enabled receiver (as in: no sound at all while the tags got read > correctly). > > Is it possible to play back DD and DTS on SB1? The problem is that the SB1 will pass a bit-perfect signalexcept the sign is inverted. This prevents DTS and dolby digital from being passed intact, while you'll notice no audible difference with PCM signals (ok, ok, there are audiophiles out there who will probably jump in here and tell me how they can hear that the soundstage is slightly out of focus or something, but I personally don't buy it). There was a fellow a little while back who showed that if you reinvert the sign then the files can be played successfully. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> No I don't. Unfortunstly I'm past the 30 day period. Do you think Sean > will make an exception in my case? I've found SlimDevices to be a very accomodating company, so perhaps they will take it back. But why should they? You had *30 days* to figure out that this wasn't the unit for you. I'm not going to take my chest freezer back to Maytag after 2 months and tell them "you know, what I really wanted was a refrigerator, would you take this back?" ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> How's your Sony betamax working these days? If owning a squeezebox is as dumb as buying a betamax player then what are you doing wasting your time on this mailing list? Go return that thing! Get rid of it while you can still get your money back! You have failed to address any of the very rational questions or arguments that have been offered to you. You have made several unfounded and suspect accusations in this thread. Just because you, NHGuy, in your incredible wisdom and foresight, have declared Slim's business choices to be ill-advised means very little to this community. People will buy what works for them and time will tell what wins out. Your feedback as to what you value in a product is certainly welcome, but you can leave it at that, at that point you can buy a device or not buy it. SlimDevices has done more than most in offering a 30-day money back guarantee, responding to their users, adding features, and in having open-source software that allows for the easy expansion of the software by its user-base. No need to make accusations of false advertising when you can't point to a single instance of it. The betamax comparison is completely false. Slim has designed the architecture of their units to be much more flexible and upgradable than any other networked media player I've seen. Even if slimdevices were to go under *today* you'd still have this user-base improving the product. As a comparison, I doubt you can find any networked media player from circa 2001 besides the Slimp3 that is still seeing active development and improvements on a daily basis. And while we're all looking into our crystal balls, I'll bet that in a few years your squeezebox will still be relevant and functional while other similar devices will have become irrelevant. Maybe you still don't agree with me--that's ok too, no one's twisting your arm and making you keep your squeezebox. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> I've been making an ass of myself to try to get a response from them > stating what their plans actually are. If they have no intention of > supporting a means to use squeezebox for streaming Rhapsody or any > other DRM service, they should have the stones to put that on the > website. I believe that they'd like to support it sometime in the future but can't commit to it (they're a small company, after all). Seems like they'd be in worse shape if they publicly said they plan to support it eventually. Then folks wouldn't quit bugging them asking them when it'll be ready and there'd be people like yourself up in arms demanding their money back if the support weren't added in the timeframe they required. So SlimDevices is just quiet about it and folks who like the product's featureset will buy it. And if Rhapsody support is added in the future then all the better. I know that in the time I've had my squeezebox I've had tons of functionality added to what was already an amazing device--something I can say about few other products I've ever owned in my lifetime. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> The review from Maximum PC is the one that's prominently displayed. > Since when does a product upgrade mean that functionality is taken > away? > It sometimes happens. But aside from that...a 3rd-party plugin is not a "product feature". SlimDevices cannot be expected to support every 3rd party plugin for all time. In my eyes you're the one who's suspect here: you claim you sent 2 emails to slimdevices but didn't receive any replies. Their genial response on this mailing list was that they had only received 1 email and that they'd responded to it promptly. You never denied this which leads me to believe that their version of the truth is accurate. And I still haven't seen the "marketing blurb from their marketing manager talking about how great the realslim plugin works" that you mentioned. What are you trying to get from SlimDevices? It sounds like you just misunderstood what the product is capable of. There's no need for any animosity. Just return the unit and buy something that meets your needs. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> Aaron, > I'm not a bad person, but when the company implies through the posting > of reviews that tout it's ability to stream Rhapsody and when it's > marketing literature specially states it supports real player I as a > reasonable person expect to be able to use it for the stated purpose. > When I read the CEO of the company imply he's got better things to do > than live up to his promises, I think I have a right to my money back, > 30 day guarantee or not. > I don't understand...have you contacted Slimdevices to make a return? are they unwilling to take the unit back? By the way...even if you misunderstood SlimDevice's support for Rhapsody (believe me, they've never promised Rhapsody support even for the SB1--and certainly not for the SB2) that has nothing whatsoever to do with Realplayer. Real audio streaming can be configured via the 3rd party AlienBBC plugin but Rhapsody itself uses WMA format (though, I believe when using Realslim the WMA decoding is done by the Rhapsody application itself and the audio is then "broadcast" to slimserver). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> I realize I'm becoming boring, but you guys at Slim Devices ought to > read the reviews you post on your website. The one from Maximum PC that > you flaunt has as it's last word, "Rhapsody". Do you think you would > have gotten that good a review if you didn't have that capability? > S, my question is how do I get my money back for a product that > does not perform as advertised. Please post on the forum so others who > share the same feeling can partake. > > > -- > NHGuy The issue seems to be that you're inaccurate with your information. The SB2 has never been advertised as having these features. The Squeezebox 1, however, does have an unsupported 3rd-party plugin that provides this functionality. The promotional material you linked to refers to the Squeezebox 1. Don't forget that Slimdevices offers a 30-day money-back guarantee. If the device doesn't meet your needs then return it. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> I was actually able to get realslim running with SS 6.1, with a few > minor modifications. There was a thread in the developers forum a > couple weeks ago. There still appear to be occasional problems, and I > was planning on trying to resolve these before making this more well > known -- but then I got really busy at work. You might give it a shot. Great work!...keep us posted. If this were to work reliably I might seriously consider a Squeezebox 2. Until then my Squeezebox 1 is more than meeting my needs ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> There is a 3rd party plugin to link slimserver and rhapsody? Yes, realslim.sourceforge.net but it only really works with SB1 or Slimp3, slimserver 5.4.0, and Rhapsody v2 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
While I'd love to see support for Rhapsody, I don't recall ever seeing this featured advertised for the SqueezeBox 2. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Using a different remote
> No problem here with my Harmony 676. :) There's no problem using the squeezebox2 IR codes (which your Harmony is using), the problem is that, for whatever reason, the SB2 does not process/recognize other IR codes like the SB1 does. This is probably just some sort of firmware setting. I remember in a much earlier post that Dean mentioned he knew about the problem and was having Sean look into it. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using a different remote
This is a currently known problem with the SB2. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multiple Items In Tags enhancement
You can even use character combinations to make the separator more unique. Something like %; would be a pretty safe bet, for instance. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB2 Bridge + Tivo
> I think the huge bulge of electrical tape in the middle of the cord > should be fairly obvious =) I'm surprised this works for you. Don't be surprised if the connection flakes out or is slower than spec. High-speed data transfer through twisted-pair cabling relies on the pairs being nicely twisted. Expect cables that have relatively long (>.5" or so) lengths of wire in some other arrangement to behave in unexpected ways. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
I believe it may be unnecessary to use Total Recorder--I'm fairly confident that Vidur's RealSlim plugin already does essentially the very same thing. It just needs to be updated to support the new version of Rhapsody and SlimServer. Perhaps Vidur could correct me if I'm wrong? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Newbie Question: Virtual Sound Driver
> I'm sorry if this question has been asked before, but I couldn't > find the answer. I'm thinking of purchasing a SB2 to use with my > Rhapsody service. Can the SB2 be used as a virtual sound device on > my Windows XP machine? That way I could stream any audio > source to the SB2? Does SlimServer have this kind of support. > I'm less interested in using the SB2 to retrieve stuff off of my > computer. I want to PUSH data to it from my laptop (ie. Rhapsody, > Window Media player, etc) just as if it were a sound card residing in > my computer. Currently there's no good way to do what you want to do. There are some complex ways you could possibly put together something like this (using shoutcast), but the solution would be neither simple, nor reliable. Sorry Stephen, as a Rhapsody subscriber myself I lament that there's absolutely no way to currently use Rhapsody with the SB2 because the SB2 requires SlimServer 6, for which there's no Rhapsody plug-in. If you had an SB1, on the other hand (as I do), you could use the RealSlim plugin with Rhapsody V2 and Slimserver 5.4 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Why Can't Slim support Play For Sure???
> I guess I have my own opinion of who should be getting abused right now. I don't entirely understand what you meant by this statement but I hope you didn't take any offense at my comment. I only meant to acknowledge you and the sentiments that you've already repeatedly expressed about the status of RealSlim--to indicate that I understand that we all need to pitch in if we can to provide the functionality that we each desire. Your knowledge and hard work have certainly done this community an enormous service, the benefits of which I believe we've all reaped. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Why Can't Slim support Play For Sure???
> I know just what is going to happen...the day after I buy a Roku, Slim > is going to announce Rhaposody support!! :-) Yeah...and there's another bit of irony that actually keeps me with the squeezebox: when using RealSlim my Squeezebox actually has more "complete" Rhapsody support than any other device on the market. No other device has the ability to search and browse the entire Rhapsody catalog from the player. I love this as it allows me to drag up any song at any moment. I hope that, even if Plays For Sure support is added, that the RealSlim program is updated to allow me to interface with the Rhapsody library directly. I know, I know, KDF, RealSlim's only waiting for someone to give it some TLC :). But as I'm not qualified/able to do this, I just wanted to express this point because, for me, RealSlim in many ways meets my needs better than Plays For Sure support would. I do realize, however, that this is not the case for users of the other subscription services. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: sorting (ignoring "the" and case insensitivity)
Is there any way to vote *against* enhancement or bug requests? The server should show what's in your tags. Period. That way people can use their tags however they want and they don't end up getting confused by having Michael Jackson songs listed only under mICHAEL jACKSON simply because they have 1 mis-tagged Michael Jackson song that was, for some reason, returned first in the query. And I'm sure I've only scratched the tip of the iceberg of other potential complications/confusion that could result from making this change. As far as I'm concerned, the "expected" behavior is for the software to read your tags and show you what's in your tags. As KDF said earlier, what are tags for if not to provide this information. Get your tags right. What you suggest is the same sort of artificial "intelligence" that makes me shake my fist at Microsoft Word whenever I try to use it and am baffled by the fact that it's doing things that I never told it to do. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> If this isn't the case now, it soon might be. In a business where > exclusive contracts are the norm, why shouldn't one or more big labels > base their licenses on exclusive relationships with subscription > services? Or maybe they devise some sort of discount, where a > subscription provider has to pay less in fees if they sell more of a > big label's music? > Excluding competing artists / labels from a subscription service's > catalog makes perfect sense for a (association of) record labels. > There'll be incentives so that it makes sense from a service's point > of view as well. You make some interesting points that I hadn't considered and may very well be accurate. However, there will always be room for potential abuse and it would seem that the same abuse argument could be levied against any new technology. Seems lousy to retract support from a company based upon the sins that it might possibly be able to commit in the future. In fact, by supporting Rhapsody I'm supporting their current business model that seems to value the independent labels. If they start dropping the small artists I may consider switching to another provider (thank goodness for the current competition in the market, I hope it remains) or dropping the service altogether. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Play for Sure songs
> On the other hand, if everyone has this convenient access to the same > large catalog of music, that's the end for anyone who's not included > in this catalog. Independent labels lose even more visbility and > sales. Additionally, people will feel like "I'm already paying > flat-rate, I'll make do without music I'd have to pay extra for." I'd > hoped for widespread broadband to effect a de-centralisation in music > distribution - the opposite seems to be the case. I just wanted to mention that since using Rhapsody (I've been subscribed about 1 year now) I've actually been exposed to far more independent labels/groups than I ever was before Rhapsody. This medium isn't limited in any way (i.e., radio is time-limited) so there's no downside to adding artists. It's in Rhapsody's (and other subscription-type services) interest to add any and all interested artists to their catalog so that they may draw in more subscribers. And the existence of more than one service provides competition in the marketplace that keeps the royalties paid to small artists from being unfairly low. I don't know how their licensing deals work but I would have to think that the subscription services compensate artists an amount that's somehow correlated to the # of plays their music receives. Indeed, (haha, this is all speculation, but bear with me) they probably have "cheaper" contracts with the smaller labels so it may very well be that subscription services would prefer that you listen to independent artists. Whatever the case may be, services like Rhapsody offer links to artists that are similar to, influenced by, forerunners of, and collaborators with any given artist in their catalog. Rhapsody also monitors my listening and suggests artists, albums, and tracks I might like (I believe this is a feature of Napster and Yahoo as well). Often these are from artists and groups I'd never have heard of otherwise. There are tons of artists out there that are getting royalties from me listening to them on Rhapsody that would never have seen a penny from me otherwise. Plus I still buy CD's. Unless the subscription services are somehow (totally illogically) banning artists from their catalog, it seems like your "losing visibility" argument is akin to saying "it's so unfair that we adopted the CD player because all those artists that only want to sell cassette tapes will just not be included and it'll be the end of them". ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
