Re: [SH-Discuss] 3/1 Opening Day Newsletter
Very well said G! On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:57 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Downtown Akron Partnership had a deadline of tonight for a newsletter on synhak, so this is what I sent them: SYN/HAK OPENS ITS DOORS TO THE PUBLIC SYN/HAK The Akron Hackerspace 48 S. Summit St., Akron, OH 44308 February 5, 2014 The press and public are invited to the 2014 Spring Open House of SYN/HAK, The Akron Hackerspace on March 1, 2013. Previously located on the far edge of Akron downtown, join us around noon at our new downtown location: 48 S. Summit St., Akron, Ohio to learn more about our space. SYN/HAK provides an environment for people to educate, create and share amongst themselves and others within the domains of technology, art and science. Through talks, classes, workshops, collaborative projects and other activities, SYN/HAK encourages research, knowledge exchange, learning, and mentoring in a safe, clean environment. Hackerspaces are community-operated places where people can meet and work on their projects. SYN/HAK is a registered 501(c)3 not-for-profit corporation in the State of Ohio. Donations are always appreciated, and will be tax-exempt. For more information on SYN/HAK, please visit our website at http://www.synhak.org, or e-mail us at he...@synhak.org If you are moderator of other newsletters, please feel free to share this with your group(s) as well. Feel free to make edits to it, as you see fit. Regards, -- G ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Something for summer.
I'd be up for that On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:49 AM, J. F. Corner j...@5n4k3.com wrote: Train track? locomotives? A FELLOW FOAMER???! *HOLY DIESEL ELECTRIC, TELL ME MORE!* On 2/5/2014 18:59, Martin Pinkston wrote: After I got home from the meeting last night, I got to thinking about a couple of things. The one being that once winter ends and decent weather start, I will be spending more time out at the train track. Because we hold public runs every other Sunday. A public run is where we give the public free rides on the trains. Some days we have 700 to 800 people come ride with us. It is open to any one who shows up and you all are welcome to come and see us. So, along those lines, I keep thinking about some of the cool things that could be done with a RPi or Arduino or BB in conjunction with this hobby. For instance, just a simple set up to graphically represent a locomotives location on the track on a laptop and then post that info on a webpage. From there, the imagination could run wild, like controlling signal blocks and switches, and the nice thing is that once the bugs were worked out, an actual product could be packaged and easily marketed on the web or our hobby publications. Again, this is just a thought. I don't believe there is a huge demand for any such products, but when has that ever stopped pharmaceutical companies. They are always coming out with a pill and then generating the demand for it by marketing. Latest example, testostrone replacement theropies. Besides, I think it would be a great learning experience in programming and might make a decent project for teaching programming. Again, just a thought. Take Care and Have Fun Always. Martin ___ Discuss mailing listDiscuss@synhak.orghttps://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
looks good On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
Can we get mugs, rather than foam cups? Or paper cups if we want disposable. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.comwrote: How about a dustpan? On Feb 6, 2014 11:19 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
A couple ice-cube trays would be nice. (to be operated in failover mode, not load-balancing mode, ie: http://imgur.com/tH88mei) On 2/6/2014 11:19 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:52:04 Justin Herman wrote: Can we get mugs, rather than foam cups? Thats pricey. Or paper cups if we want disposable. Right, yeah. Paper then. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.comwrote: How about a dustpan? On Feb 6, 2014 11:19 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
or how about a trip to goodwill for a few more reusable cups, and maybe a frypan or cookie sheet for the new stove. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get mugs, rather than foam cups? Or paper cups if we want disposable. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: How about a dustpan? On Feb 6, 2014 11:19 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
Goodwill is where I was thinking. paper is ok though. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: or how about a trip to goodwill for a few more reusable cups, and maybe a frypan or cookie sheet for the new stove. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get mugs, rather than foam cups? Or paper cups if we want disposable. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: How about a dustpan? On Feb 6, 2014 11:19 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Oven and Stove
Do we want a dishwasher? On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Tiki Mclemore spiralsparrowcr...@gmail.com wrote: I am so happy! I can't wait for the kitchen to come together!!! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Oven and Stove
JH Was that notice of a job opening? How much does it pay and what are the hours? Will start working on my CV while I wait for your reply. In this economy, any job is a good job. PPP --- if you are referring to the appliance, then never mind On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Do we want a dishwasher? On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Tiki Mclemore spiralsparrowcr...@gmail.com wrote: I am so happy! I can't wait for the kitchen to come together!!! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
There's Salvation Army Family Store next to Aldi's on Brittain Road. If Goodwill doesn't have something we're looking for, its another place to check. There's also a nice bigger one in Fairlawn. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Goodwill is where I was thinking. paper is ok though. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: or how about a trip to goodwill for a few more reusable cups, and maybe a frypan or cookie sheet for the new stove. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get mugs, rather than foam cups? Or paper cups if we want disposable. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: How about a dustpan? On Feb 6, 2014 11:19 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Oven and Stove
Dishwasher might be overkill. Anyone cooking in the kitchen should clean up after themselves and any plates or whatever used should be cleaned by the person using them. I don't think there should ever be enough dirty dishes for a dishwasher to be needed. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
Goodwill is amazing!! You can get a full set of everything for a kitchen for way under $20! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Oven and Stove
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:25:27 Justin Herman wrote: Do we want a dishwasher? Sure, once everyone is trained to clean up their soda cans and bags of fast food :) On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Tiki Mclemore spiralsparrowcr...@gmail.com wrote: I am so happy! I can't wait for the kitchen to come together!!! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Oven and Stove
It wasn't a suggestion just an offer. When I was picking up the stove the dishwasher was offered too. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:25:27 Justin Herman wrote: Do we want a dishwasher? Sure, once everyone is trained to clean up their soda cans and bags of fast food :) On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Tiki Mclemore spiralsparrowcr...@gmail.com wrote: I am so happy! I can't wait for the kitchen to come together!!! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Oven and Stove
Personally I'd like a dishwasher! Is it a standalone or one of those units that goes under a counter/sink??? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: It wasn't a suggestion just an offer. When I was picking up the stove the dishwasher was offered too. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:25:27 Justin Herman wrote: Do we want a dishwasher? Sure, once everyone is trained to clean up their soda cans and bags of fast food :) On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Tiki Mclemore spiralsparrowcr...@gmail.com wrote: I am so happy! I can't wait for the kitchen to come together!!! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I would also like to be on this committee. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] something for summer
For those requesting more about the locomotive hobby. My train club is The Lake Shore Live Steamers. Www.lakeshorelivesteamers.com I am in the process of building my 3rd, 1/8 scale, 7.5 gauge, live steam locomotive. It's a Heisler logging engine and about 90% completed. I also have 3 electric locomotives. The steamers had actual printed plans, the electrics were my designs, but all were scratch built. Take Care Have fun Always. Martin Pinkston RN ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Oven and Stove
The only thing is how many dishes are we going to have if I am baking I would only make 5 dishes max and half I would have to do by hand any way On Feb 6, 2014 2:12 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I'd like a dishwasher! Is it a standalone or one of those units that goes under a counter/sink??? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: It wasn't a suggestion just an offer. When I was picking up the stove the dishwasher was offered too. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:25:27 Justin Herman wrote: Do we want a dishwasher? Sure, once everyone is trained to clean up their soda cans and bags of fast food :) On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Tiki Mclemore spiralsparrowcr...@gmail.com wrote: I am so happy! I can't wait for the kitchen to come together!!! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:40:49 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android I can't make that due to SparkAK. I'm busy 'till Monday. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.comwrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument.
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
This week is bad for me next week is good. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I'm here now, but leaving in 30 mins to return around 9 tonight On Feb 6, 2014 4:30 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I can be down at Synhak at like 9 tonight On Feb 6, 2014 4:13 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to
[SH-Discuss] 2/13 at 6pm: Special meeting at Synhak to fill Knight Foundation Grant Proposal Form!
Greetings, Knight Foundation has emailed me a Grant Proposal Form. About Knight Foundation: Knight Foundation focuses on projects that promote informed and engaged communities. In Akron, we are supporting talent attraction and retention necessary to build a 21st century economy. This Grant Proposal Form form is used to evaluate whether Knight supports an organization's work. In this form, I plan to declare to Knight what we need help with. Ofcourse, I need help with coming up with what we need help with :) I'm planning to meet in person with anyone interested in helping with filling this form on Thu Feb 13th at 6pm at our new location at 48 S Summit St for a discussion. Until then, here are the important things in the form that we can all individually think about responses to (mostly a plaintext copy paste of things in the form that I thought were important): - Does Synhak plan to use a fiscal agent? (if not, Knight recommends Miami Foundation) - Proposal for a project - Total cost? $ - Requested from Knight? $ - Over how many years? - Synhak's operating revenues $ ... and expenses $... for the current year and the end date of our fiscal year - Attachments that would help Knight and they expect: - *Project Budget .. very important for completeness of form* - Existing funders - Any major expenses/capital equipment we plan to purchase - Proposal Narrative (few paragraphs per each of the following): 1. Purpose of grant in one short sentence 2. What is the project 3. List key activities and the timetable, including the grant start and end dates 4. Why is this a fit for Knight Foundation? 1. Explain how you will intentionally engage the community, improve or provide access to information flow, and address the Akron strategy of engaging and retaining the next generation of talent. 5. What are our outcomes? 1. Indicate 2 or 3 concrete changes you would like to see in place at the end of your grant period 6. Measuring success? 1. List the metrics that we will use to track the success of our outcomes Towards the end .. it states: As a potential grantee of Knight Foundation, please be aware of the following: Submission of this proposal indicates your organization's permission for Knight Foundation to ask people who are not members of the Foundation's staff to review the proposal and to give advice and information to the Foundation about your organization, board, staff and others with whom you are affiliated. Materials submitted to Knight Foundation as part of the proposal process will be used as the foundation deems appropriate. They are not subject to any right of confidentiality unless specifically agreed to in writing by Knight Foundation. Knight Foundation is under no obligation to fund the applicant. If it does choose to have a future relationship, the foundation may suggest the type, including contracts, grants, loans, program-related investments or others. I'm excited about this. ^^ Devin, Torrie, Chris All: please let me know if that scheduled time does not work - feel free to counter it. My plan is to finish and submit this form by 2/21 After that it'll be in Knight's hands. Regards, -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK http://www.synhak.org: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308https://maps.google.com/maps?q=48+S+Summit+St+Akron+Ohio+44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williamshttp://www.sherwin-williams.com/on behalf of Bennett Adelson http://www.bennettadelson.com/ (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131https://maps.google.com/maps?q=6050+Oak+Tree+Blvd,+Cleveland,+Ohio+44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About pagehttp://gsvolt.wordpress.com/about-2/on my blog http://gsvolt.wordpress.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] 2/13 at 6pm: Special meeting at Synhak to fill Knight Foundation Grant Proposal Form!
Also, what I wrote are ideas, not actual items, unless they are actual things we're trying to accomplish then yes I concur. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: I tried to answer some these questions real quick while holding a squirming baby on my lap at my laptop in the kitchen. What I wrote is in *ITALICS.* - Does Synhak plan to use a fiscal agent? (if not, Knight recommends Miami Foundation) - Proposal for a project (*renovation of the building we occupy 48 South Summit Street*) - Total cost? $100,000 (*AKA Omar's purely arbitrary guesstimation based on previous conversations with other members*) - Requested from Knight? *$100,000* - Over how many years? 2 (*spread out the work! we're all doing this in our spare time after all*) - Synhak's operating revenues $ *???* and expenses $ *???* for the current year and the end date of our fiscal year - Attachments that would help Knight and they expect: - *Project Budget .. very important for completeness of form *(*Does the treasurer have this?)* - Existing funders (*Synhak Membership*) - Any major expenses/capital equipment we plan to purchase (*LASERS! ZAP! uhhh... shoring up the south wall, more roof/ceiling repair, re-finishing the Perkins room, ELECTRICAL ELECTRICAL ELECTRICAL, plumbing* ) - Proposal Narrative (few paragraphs per each of the following): 1. Purpose of grant in one short sentence, *In order to create a more perfect hackerspace, we wish to renovate and improve the building occupied by said hackerspace.* 2. What is the project, *Project Edify* 3. List key activities and the timetable, including the grant start and end dates *???* 4. Why is this a fit for Knight Foundation? *???* 1. Explain how you will intentionally engage the community, improve or provide access to information flow, and address the Akron strategy of engaging and retaining the next generation of talent. *See www.synhak.org http://www.synhak.org* 5. What are our outcomes? 1. *Laser cutter!* 2. *Safer more energy efficient building* 3. *attract more members with a more attractive infrastructure* 6. Measuring success? 1. List the metrics that we will use to track the success of our outcomes *BUZZWORDS* On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:52 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Knight Foundation has emailed me a Grant Proposal Form. About Knight Foundation: Knight Foundation focuses on projects that promote informed and engaged communities. In Akron, we are supporting talent attraction and retention necessary to build a 21st century economy. This Grant Proposal Form form is used to evaluate whether Knight supports an organization's work. In this form, I plan to declare to Knight what we need help with. Ofcourse, I need help with coming up with what we need help with :) I'm planning to meet in person with anyone interested in helping with filling this form on Thu Feb 13th at 6pm at our new location at 48 S Summit St for a discussion. Until then, here are the important things in the form that we can all individually think about responses to (mostly a plaintext copy paste of things in the form that I thought were important): - Does Synhak plan to use a fiscal agent? (if not, Knight recommends Miami Foundation) - Proposal for a project - Total cost? $ - Requested from Knight? $ - Over how many years? - Synhak's operating revenues $ ... and expenses $... for the current year and the end date of our fiscal year - Attachments that would help Knight and they expect: - *Project Budget .. very important for completeness of form* - Existing funders - Any major expenses/capital equipment we plan to purchase - Proposal Narrative (few paragraphs per each of the following): 1. Purpose of grant in one short sentence 2. What is the project 3. List key activities and the timetable, including the grant start and end dates 4. Why is this a fit for Knight Foundation? 1. Explain how you will intentionally engage the community, improve or provide access to information flow, and address the Akron strategy of engaging and retaining the next generation of talent. 5. What are our outcomes? 1. Indicate 2 or 3 concrete changes you would like to see in place at the end of your grant period 6. Measuring success? 1. List the metrics that we will use to track the success of our outcomes Towards the end .. it states: As a potential grantee of Knight Foundation, please be aware of the following: Submission of this proposal
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I will be available monday afternoon as well. From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the
Re: [SH-Discuss] 2/13 at 6pm: Special meeting at Synhak to fill Knight Foundation Grant Proposal Form!
We can ask for funds to pay contractors to do this stuff for us. (not to be rude, but I already work 4 jobs) Plus, it might get done quicker. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Also, what I wrote are ideas, not actual items, unless they are actual things we're trying to accomplish then yes I concur. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: I tried to answer some these questions real quick while holding a squirming baby on my lap at my laptop in the kitchen. What I wrote is in *ITALICS.* - Does Synhak plan to use a fiscal agent? (if not, Knight recommends Miami Foundation) - Proposal for a project (*renovation of the building we occupy 48 South Summit Street*) - Total cost? $100,000 (*AKA Omar's purely arbitrary guesstimation based on previous conversations with other members*) - Requested from Knight? *$100,000* - Over how many years? 2 (*spread out the work! we're all doing this in our spare time after all*) - Synhak's operating revenues $ *???* and expenses $ *???* for the current year and the end date of our fiscal year - Attachments that would help Knight and they expect: - *Project Budget .. very important for completeness of form *(*Does the treasurer have this?)* - Existing funders (*Synhak Membership*) - Any major expenses/capital equipment we plan to purchase (*LASERS! ZAP! uhhh... shoring up the south wall, more roof/ceiling repair, re-finishing the Perkins room, ELECTRICAL ELECTRICAL ELECTRICAL, plumbing* ) - Proposal Narrative (few paragraphs per each of the following): 1. Purpose of grant in one short sentence, *In order to create a more perfect hackerspace, we wish to renovate and improve the building occupied by said hackerspace.* 2. What is the project, *Project Edify* 3. List key activities and the timetable, including the grant start and end dates *???* 4. Why is this a fit for Knight Foundation? *???* 1. Explain how you will intentionally engage the community, improve or provide access to information flow, and address the Akron strategy of engaging and retaining the next generation of talent. *See www.synhak.org http://www.synhak.org* 5. What are our outcomes? 1. *Laser cutter!* 2. *Safer more energy efficient building* 3. *attract more members with a more attractive infrastructure* 6. Measuring success? 1. List the metrics that we will use to track the success of our outcomes *BUZZWORDS* On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:52 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Knight Foundation has emailed me a Grant Proposal Form. About Knight Foundation: Knight Foundation focuses on projects that promote informed and engaged communities. In Akron, we are supporting talent attraction and retention necessary to build a 21st century economy. This Grant Proposal Form form is used to evaluate whether Knight supports an organization's work. In this form, I plan to declare to Knight what we need help with. Ofcourse, I need help with coming up with what we need help with :) I'm planning to meet in person with anyone interested in helping with filling this form on Thu Feb 13th at 6pm at our new location at 48 S Summit St for a discussion. Until then, here are the important things in the form that we can all individually think about responses to (mostly a plaintext copy paste of things in the form that I thought were important): - Does Synhak plan to use a fiscal agent? (if not, Knight recommends Miami Foundation) - Proposal for a project - Total cost? $ - Requested from Knight? $ - Over how many years? - Synhak's operating revenues $ ... and expenses $... for the current year and the end date of our fiscal year - Attachments that would help Knight and they expect: - *Project Budget .. very important for completeness of form* - Existing funders - Any major expenses/capital equipment we plan to purchase - Proposal Narrative (few paragraphs per each of the following): 1. Purpose of grant in one short sentence 2. What is the project 3. List key activities and the timetable, including the grant start and end dates 4. Why is this a fit for Knight Foundation? 1. Explain how you will intentionally engage the community, improve or provide access to information flow, and address the Akron strategy of engaging and retaining the next generation of talent. 5. What are our outcomes? 1. Indicate 2 or 3 concrete changes you would like to see in place at the end of your grant period 6. Measuring success? 1.
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I will like to be on the committee. I can be there Monday. And my membership is in good standing. Andy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be available monday afternoon as well. -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the
