Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Chapter 2: Designing and planning your database

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2012/3/18 Pantelis Koukousoulas 

> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Hazel Russman
>  wrote:
> > I have put a copy of this in the feedback folder on the ODF site. It
> contains Mark's comments on content and a lot of small stylistic changes by
> me.
> >
> > As a general comment, I don't agree with Dan's use of "DBMS" and
> "RDBMS", as I think these terms should refer to software (such as Base),
> not to data. My preferred terms are "database" and "relational database"
>
> >From a CS point of view at least, you are right.  DBMS (DataBase
> Management System) / RDBMS
> (Relational DataBase Management System) are terms that refer to the
> software that manages
> databases, while "database" is meant to refer to the data that is being
> managed.
>
> RDBMS would be your HSQLDB, MySQL, Sqlite or whatever.
>
> I don't think "Base" should be described as a RDBMS though, it is just
> a frontend to several of
> them.
>
>
Can BASE create a cluster and delete it ? I was not aware of this ...  this
would be AWESOME !!

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 3.5 crashing unless a Java JRE is installed

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

We are the documentation (user guides, translations, manuals) and honestly
most of us know squat about the inner functionalities of the program per
se.

Please subscribe to the user list or dev list or make a bug report.

Sorry, but you are talking to the wrong croud :)))

Best wishes

Rogerio

2012/3/14 Gary Schnabl 

> I came across a series of crashes a couple days ago because Java was not
> installed with 3.5. Checking through the Options showed that no Java JRE
> was automatically installed. So, checking my hard drive showed that my
> system had two versions of JREs.
>
> Manually adding the more recent (possibly, a year old) JRE through the
> Options fixed that problem--version 1.7 was installed, BTW.
>
> On another matter, I am experiencing some problems with generating a ToC,
> which seem transitory, and quite likely are bug-related.
>
> Beta 3.5 did not install all those numerous list paragraph styles that
> earlier OO and LO versions did . However, the 3.5.0 release has reinstalled
> them--as before--it seems.
>
> Gary
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Base Guide progress

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2012/3/13 Jean Weber 

> I agree with what Dan said earlier in this thread,
> ".. the Base Guide
> should describe what can be done with Base. As such, mentioning other
> programs other than to provide instructions as to how to access
> databases made by them serves no purpose at all. But I see no purpose to
> include negative comments about Base or any of the other programs."
>
> IIRC, if one is using LO on Windows, Base can connect to an Access
> database. This is important for people to know, because if they can't
> at least get their data from a previous database (created by something
> else), then they won't want to switch. If there are any issues with
> using an Access database with Base as the front-end, then it's only
> fair to tell them.


I never intended to put ACCESS in our documentation, if we must as Jean
showed above we could use "MS Office's Data Base" ... ICCC indeed
:)

What I was doing is giving some brainstormig response for the questions Dan
asked, it was just that ... branstorming.

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Base Guide progress

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2012/3/11 Dan Lewis 

> On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 22:15 +, Mark Stanton wrote:
> > > I think it might be fastest for Hazel to complete it.
> >
> > Too late!  Update in the drafts folder just now.
> > Mostly content, since Hazel's proof reading is great.
> >
> > Since a lot of it is about the content, there are many "notes" rather
> than changes of
> > text.
> >
> > It's really important to make the distinction between a DBMS (that's a
> program that
> > manages a database), and the data that we put into a database that we've
> built
> > using a DBMS.
> >
> > I also think that's it's REALLY important to make it clear that HSQLDB
> is not THE
> > Base DBMS, just the default setting.  There is no "Base DBMS", it can
> use many
> > different engines.  And, sticking my neck out even further, I'd say it'd
> be good
> > to play down the built in version of HSQLDB, or at least not play it up.
>  Since it's
> > limitations have upset even one of our most famous "Base" names, Mr
> Pitonyak, I think
> > it would be good to play up the ability to use (almost) whatever DMBS
> you want rather
> > than giving the impression that HSQLDB is "it".
> >
> > Ok, steady.. Aim... Fire!
> >
> > Regards
> > Mark Stanton
> > One small step for mankind...
>
> Fire one! [;-) ]
> The one thing that has always confused me: What is Base?


BASE is LibO's FREE, OPEN, AND MORE FLEXIBLE (since we now can connect to
every major DB out there) Data Base interaction program. It is a program
that fits for SIMPLISTIC Databases (it can get complicated jobs done, but
if you are into those you are in to less hassle if you rethink your DB
interaction needs), it is OUR substitute for that ugly thing those other
guys call Access (but our program needs some work to get known and some
major uplift on the development side - documentation withstanding :)) .

Well that of course is just IMHO ...


HSQLDB is java based little gremlin (that even bites you in the hand when
you DO FOLLOW their user manual), we should KILL it ... now!!!

Thank heavens devs got around to put the postgresql driver in this (3.5)
release, or I would never even try to get people interested in translating
the BASE manuals (altough I of course haven't read them - not old ou new -
so my opinion is worth a little less than that of the Easter Bunny).

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Media Player

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I KNOW ,,, avi is the same :))

Rogerio

2012/2/28 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> I think my ignorance added to yours is beginning to make sense of it.
> Apparently Ogg also works as a container and can have srt files and more
> inside them too.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Tue, 28/2/12, Rogerio Luz Coelho  wrote:
>
> From: Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Media Player
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Tuesday, 28 February, 2012, 21:28
>
> Well ... and there goes my ignorance ... I only see mkv files in Bluray
> rips ... :)))
>
> Should stick to things I know :)))
>
> Thx for the feedback
>
> Rogerio
>
> 2012/2/28 Tom Davies 
>
> > Hi :)
> > Mkv is a container.  That allows you to add an srt file(/s) or other
> > subtitles and potentially have the various audio and even video files
> > inside the same file together.
> >
> > It's a bit like being able to open .Odt files as though they were zipped
> > files and then see the various different elements such as pictures and
> > stuff.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 28/2/12, Rogerio Luz Coelho  wrote:
> >
> > From: Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Media Player
> > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > Date: Tuesday, 28 February, 2012, 1:37
> >
> > mkv is Bluray ... HD
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> > 2012/2/26 Mark Morin 
> >
> > > Thanks. webm didn't work for me. My next step was to try ogg (and mkv
> > > is a new one for me)
> > > m
> > >
> > > On 2/26/2012 6:32 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
> > > > On 02/26/2012 05:59 PM, Mark Morin wrote:
> > > >> Does anyone know what the preferred format for video files is
> > > >> with the LO media player? I've tried most every format I can
> > > >> think of and keep getting "incompatible file type"
> > > >>
> > > >> mark
> > > >
> > > > I tested the following successfully webm, ogg, and mkv formats. The
> > > > mp4 gave audio without any video.
> > >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Media Player

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Well ... and there goes my ignorance ... I only see mkv files in Bluray
rips ... :)))

Should stick to things I know :)))

Thx for the feedback

Rogerio

2012/2/28 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Mkv is a container.  That allows you to add an srt file(/s) or other
> subtitles and potentially have the various audio and even video files
> inside the same file together.
>
> It's a bit like being able to open .Odt files as though they were zipped
> files and then see the various different elements such as pictures and
> stuff.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 28/2/12, Rogerio Luz Coelho  wrote:
>
> From: Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Media Player
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Tuesday, 28 February, 2012, 1:37
>
> mkv is Bluray ... HD
>
> Rogerio
>
> 2012/2/26 Mark Morin 
>
> > Thanks. webm didn't work for me. My next step was to try ogg (and mkv
> > is a new one for me)
> > m
> >
> > On 2/26/2012 6:32 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
> > > On 02/26/2012 05:59 PM, Mark Morin wrote:
> > >> Does anyone know what the preferred format for video files is
> > >> with the LO media player? I've tried most every format I can
> > >> think of and keep getting "incompatible file type"
> > >>
> > >> mark
> > >
> > > I tested the following successfully webm, ogg, and mkv formats. The
> > > mp4 gave audio without any video.
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Media Player

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

mkv is Bluray ... HD

Rogerio

2012/2/26 Mark Morin 

> Thanks. webm didn't work for me. My next step was to try ogg (and mkv
> is a new one for me)
> m
>
> On 2/26/2012 6:32 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
> > On 02/26/2012 05:59 PM, Mark Morin wrote:
> >> Does anyone know what the preferred format for video files is
> >> with the LO media player? I've tried most every format I can
> >> think of and keep getting "incompatible file type"
> >>
> >> mark
> >
> > I tested the following successfully webm, ogg, and mkv formats. The
> > mp4 gave audio without any video.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Basic - Ooo3.2 Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Yes it is exaclty the same guide, but with the LibO styles ... please
confirm that the styles are up to date though

Rogerio

2012/2/26 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Is that guide good enough for the wiki?  It's 'just' an update of the
> guide that is already there is it?
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Programmers
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Fri, 24/2/12, Rogerio Luz Coelho  wrote:
>
> From: Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Basic - Ooo3.2 Guide
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 20:00
>
> Some of the Brazilian guys have converted the Ooo Basic Guide (programming
> language) to the LibO template so we can start translations ...
>
> FWIW here is the guide in LibO style ... if it would be used we need to get
> the contributors to this in the document so then give us a call
>
>
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/portugues-do-brasil/traducao/base-ooo3.2-manual
>
> Rogerio
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco site update

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

We of the Brazilian translation team could give Alfresco a try ... IF I
could get the workflow fixed AND simple so I can show the guys ... we are
in the process of updating the workfow form a wiki amaturesque one to a
more standarized model ...so if we could get something working on Alfresco
it would be grand

Rogerio

2012/2/24 Jean Weber 

> It would help a lot if the instructions on using our Alfresco setup were
> brought up to date. I'm a bit reluctant to move back until that is done.
>
> David, what are the chances of your getting time to do this within the
> next week?
>
> Other than that, I'm happy to go with whatever the other active members
> decide.
>
> Jean
>
> On 25/02/2012, at 2:49, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > My opinion doesn't really count as i don't do any of the editing.  It
> would be good to hear from the people doing the work.
> >
> > However, i think it would be good to return to the Alfresco method.  It
> is a bright, fresh interface that could help the translations teams.  We do
> still have wiki-pages describing how to use it.  Some of it has been
> "commented-out" temporarily but it's easy to reinstate.
> >
> > Moving back would mean that we have a fairly recent back-up on another
> site so even if we stay at ODFAuthors i think it is a good idea to get all
> the updated chapters back over to Alfresco just in case ODFAuthors goes
> down or becomes inacessible.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 24/2/12, David Nelson  wrote:
> >
> > From: David Nelson 
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco site update
> > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 12:22
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Tom Davies 
> wrote:
> >> So, this is a good time to upgrade Alfresco if you want and check the
> upgrades are working with no more wrinkles.  I think you are saying that
> you have already done that but i'm not certain.  I can dig out the email
> address of the other chap that was keen to learn to help with Alfresco so
> that we can see if he is still keen.
> >
> > All the upgrading is complete. There is no further work to do in that
> > respect. Whether or not the team still wishes to use Alfresco is a
> > debate that I'll leave you guys to decide about.
> >
> > I can only point out that, when left in peace and not bullied,
> > Alfresco has been pretty stable and reliable. The only outages were
> > entirely due to human error: the last upgrade was incorrectly
> > executed. I certainly wouldn't see any need to upgrade the platform
> > any further until long into the future: all past issues are now
> > resolved (non-handling of accented characters in folder names: fixed;
> > intermittent failures with multiple-file uploads: *vastly* improved).
> >
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[libreoffice-documentation] Basic - Ooo3.2 Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Some of the Brazilian guys have converted the Ooo Basic Guide (programming
language) to the LibO template so we can start translations ...

FWIW here is the guide in LibO style ... if it would be used we need to get
the contributors to this in the document so then give us a call

http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/portugues-do-brasil/traducao/base-ooo3.2-manual

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Big Disaster

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Yes ... I love Dropbox :))

We even used it as our "poor man's ODF Authors" page in the beggining of
the Translation to portuguese (pt-br)

Rogerio

2012/2/17 Martin Fox 

> Hi
> Log onto your Drop box account online, deleted files are kept there for
> 30 days.
> You have to switch on the viewing of deleted files to see them. Then
> you can restore them very easily.
> regards
> Martin
>
>
>  On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:36:49 -0800 (PST)
> PeeWee  wrote:
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> > I use zapped Dropbox as well. What makes it even worse is that my
> > back up hard drive was not up to date.
> >
> > I will download the copies off the wiki to re-establish a zip archive
> > of the graphic files.
> >
> > Very red faced
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Introducing Base (cut down version)

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

GOT IT !!

Thx both of you ... the translators are EAGER to see the new chapter and
the new Base Guide ... :))

Rogerio


2012/2/10 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> The simple answer for Rogerio's question is yes.  They are chapters in
> separate books.
>
> It does make sense to look back at the chapter in the GS guide when
> editing the specialist guide for a specific app.  It allows valuable
> guidance to be moved to where it is more appropriate given that each book
> has different aims&objectives.
>
> It's possibly a lot less of an issue for the other guides but the Base
> guide is all quite new.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/2/12, Dan Lewis  wrote:
>
> From: Dan Lewis 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Introducing Base (cut down
> version)
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Friday, 10 February, 2012, 1:40
>
> On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 22:21 -0200, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
> > Ok just to be sure ... we are talking of two separate books here right?
> >
> > 1- The BASE cahpter of the GS guide book
> >
> > 2- The BASE book
> >
> > right ?
> >
> > Rogerio
>
> This does seem a little confusing. Perhaps this will help:
>  When I first write Getting Started with Base (part of the Getting
> Started Guide) a few years ago, I discussed how to create and modify a
> relational database. Then more recently, I wrote Introducing Base
> (Chapter 1 of the Base Guide). It uses a flat database as its basis.
>  This has bothered me somewhat because the Getting Started with Base
> chapter is more advanced than the Introducing Base chapter. Some of the
> traffic on the various mailing lists led me to think that these two
> chapters should be switched. That is, the old Introducing Base Chapter
> should become the new Getting Started with Base chapter; and the old
> Getting Started with Base chapter should become the new Introducing Base
> chapter.
>  With Hazel's great help, we have reduced the size of both chapters.
> A little more review, and they will be ready to take their new places.
>  Do you understand now?
>
> --Dan
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Introducing Base (cut down version)

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Ok just to be sure ... we are talking of two separate books here right?

1- The BASE cahpter of the GS guide book

2- The BASE book

right ?

Rogerio

2012/2/9 Dan Lewis 

> I just uploaded it to the Draft folder of Base is someone wants to
> take a look at it. This was mostly removing material that will be
> discussed in chapters 2,3, 4 and 5.
> I'm going to finish working on Hazel's cut down of the Getting
> Started Guide chapter. I may even have that uploaded by this evening.
>
> --Dan
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

In doubt stay with vitamins and excercise ... which is to say ... just do
the same we are doing until someone comes along and gives a reason not to
... at least that is MHO

Rogerio


2012/2/7 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Hmmm, i thought i would easily find Richard Stallman's rant about the
> topic but it seems to have been toned-down somewhat.  The Free Software
> Foundation do recommend using a slightly different version and a wikipedia
> article points out that CC-by-SA is almost identical
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-gfdl.html
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#DocumentationLicenses
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License
>
> Just to contradict that a little chat in LWN about the issue
> http://lwn.net/Articles/394430/
>
> Apparently the GPL does mention the word "software" but only a couple of
> times.  So it only needs a slight modification.  Even a slight modification
> makes it a non-GPL though.  Personally i think the best reason for not
> using the GPL is to keep all the licenses for all the official
> documentation the same so as to avoid confusion.
>
> I think people want to get on with work rather than get bogged-down in
> chatting about legal issues which most of us have no idea about anyway.  An
> ill-informed consensus decision can still be 'wrong' and land us in hot
> water.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/2/12, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
>
> From: Sigrid Carrera 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Tuesday, 7 February, 2012, 18:33
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:37:50 -0800 (PST)
> yecril71pl  wrote:
>
> >
> > Jean Weber wrote
> > >
> > > The existing user guides are licensed the same as the OOo
> > > guides they were derived from, and the templates include this
> > > licensing information on the Copyright page (GPL and CC-BY dual
> > > license).
> > >
> >
> > Note that GPL applied to documentation is void, so it may as well
> > be removed.
>
> Says who? Can you give me a reliable source for this?
> And also, in which country?
>
> Sigrid
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2012/2/6 Hazel Russman 

> On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:04:08 -0200
> Rogerio Luz Coelho  wrote:
>
> > Spliting guides woule be DESASTROUS ... imagine someone trying to get
> help
> > on a guide having to find the info they need on ANOTHER guide ... sorry
> > this will not work, it is easier to have a step by step aproach and let
> > those who need it jump to the sections they want.
> >
> > GS with BASE whould IMHO be related to the simple task of making a adress
> > book (see BASE TUTORIAL by Mariano Casanova)
>
> Yes, I think this would be the best approach if we were starting from
> scratch. Use one of the wizard's standard databases and show the creation
> of the table(s) and input form(s), a couple of simple queries and a simple
> report. Design from first principles would then be covered in the Base User
> Guide.
>
> But we are not starting from scratch. Dan has put a lot of work into this
> and I'm sure he doesn't want to see it wasted. Also it is high time we got
> *something* out. It seems that Base has always lagged behind the other
> modules where documentation is concerned. So cutting down the existing GS
> guide and moving the deleted sections elsewhere would seem to be the best
> option. I am going to try and produce a cut-down version and see if it will
> work. If I succeed, I will put it into the drafts folder for review.
>
>
>
Base seems to be abandoned in the dev front also ... the bugs abound and
the work is meek. The last GOOD news I saw about this component was that
the drivers for "serious" DB like MySQL and PostgreSQL were being tuned to
work with 3.5 ... it IS a shame.

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Spliting guides woule be DESASTROUS ... imagine someone trying to get help
on a guide having to find the info they need on ANOTHER guide ... sorry
this will not work, it is easier to have a step by step aproach and let
those who need it jump to the sections they want.

GS with BASE whould IMHO be related to the simple task of making a adress
book (see BASE TUTORIAL by Mariano Casanova)

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/02/Base_tutorial.pdf

At least this is what we plan on translating next for BASE in Brazil

Rogerio

2012/2/5 Dan Lewis 

>  Perhaps, but I'm thinking that  Base like the other guides will
> have people using only parts of the guide. Some will use the simple, and
> others with use the complex. So, I wonder about splitting Base or any of
> the other guides. Who knows, someone beginning with the simple might
> decide to try something more complex. Would they do so if it was not in
> the guide they had? And what about maintenance of the guides? That seems
> to be adding extra work. I suppose I like the idea of having the guide
> go from the simpler to the more complex using one outline. This seems to
> be simpler than using two outlines when writing: the simple, and the
> advanced. Just some of my thoughts.
>
> --Dan
>
> On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 19:45 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :) I like that plan :)  I think splitting the guide would be easier
> > after this incarnation of it is completed.  I think we need something
> > solid and "out there" (released and published on Lulu) before we can
> > really make sense of exactly what does and what doesn't work well in
> > those sorts of splits.  I guess that since this one is looking like
> > being the advanced one then a slimmer one for a flat database might be
> > easier for someone afterwards?
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> > --- On Sun, 5/2/12, Dan Lewis  wrote:
> >
> > From: Dan Lewis 
> > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base
> > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > Date: Sunday, 5 February, 2012, 19:33
> >
> >  What I have been thinking about for some time but never really got
> > a round to doing:
> > 1. Getting Started with Base chapter containing a flat database created
> > by the Wizards with the basics of what to do.
> > 2. Base Guide: (first four chapters that is)
> >a. Introduction to Base: creating a relational database with the
> > basics of what to do.
> >b. Planning/Designing databases: what is needed when planning a
> > database and how to
> >turn the plan into the database's design. Contains examples of a
> > flat database and a
> >more complex relational database. (Thorough explanation of the
> > principles.)
> >c. Data Input and Removal: thorough explanation of the principles of
> > the tables and
> >forms including use of SQL in creating, modifying, and deleting
> > tables.
> >d. Data Output: thorough explanation of the principles of queries,
> > views, and reports.
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 19:03 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > Hi :)
> > > I used to think that Base might need 2 "Getting Started" guides.
> > > 1.  for people just doing data-entry and normal user perhaps with
> routine maintenance
> > > 2.  for designers  building a database and front-end and for advanced
> maintenance.
> > >
> > > Writing for 1 would be a nightmare due to the huge variety that is
> possible when building a database with Base as the front-end.  I don't
> think we can really do even a basic generic enough guide until after the
> one for 2 is done.
> > >
> > > Hazel are you saying my 2 would really need to be split into two too?
>  If only 2 sections need to be moved out of the GS Chapter then would that
> chapter still make sense?  Wouldn't it remove something crucial?  The GS
> Guide is just meant to be an appetiser rather than go into tons of detail.
>  Chances are that most users will only use Base through using mail-merge
> and stuff like that so we really need to keep it as simple as possible.  If
> the chapter still makes sense then moving those sections to the full guide
> for Base would be great imo too.
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> > >
> > >
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation suggestions for Impress

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Thanks for the interest in the LibreOfffice product, but this is a list
about the DOCUMENTATION of the software, if you need something modified
from WITHIN the software, say an onscreen error or redundancy (as you so
perfectly put it) should be done on a DEVELOPMENT list.

We can try to see if someone here has the capacility to change these
things, but it is not our list goal.

I recomend you put these observations in a bug report at bugzilla
(freedesktop bugs under LibreOffice) and post the bug lso in a DEV list

But I agree that these Impress Wizards REALLY need some work for the user
experience to improve

Thanks

Rogerio

2012/2/4 Nathan Neff 

> Hello,
>
> I'm using Impress version 3.4.5 on OSX, and would like to
> offer suggestions for the Wiazard's Help pages.
>
> Scenario:  Creating a new presentation, and pressing "Help" on Page 2
> of the Presentation Wizard.
>
> Issue 1:  Select a slide design
> The help text starts with "Allows you to select a slide design for the
> presentation you selected on page 1 of the Wizard."
>
> This is rather redundant -- might I suggest that you just remove this
> sentence?
>
> Issue 2: The next sentence says "In the upper list box you can choose
> from three slide design types (education, presentation backgrounds and
> presentations)."
>
> On my installation, there are only two slide design types,
> "Presentation Backgrounds" and "Presentations".  I
> do not see "Education"
>
> Issue 3:  Can the help be more specific about what the differences are
> between the output mediums?
>
> The help text describes each output medium, but in an almost
> redundant/meaningless way.
>
> For example, "Overhead Sheet" help says "Creates a presentation to be
> used as overhead transparencies".
>
> Okay, that's helpful to know, but what is the difference between all
> these output mediums?  I mean
> what would be different about choosing "Overhead Sheet" versus
> "Original" or "Slides" or "Screen"?
>
> The help for the "Screen" output medium states "Creates a computer
>screen presentation only.  The screen is adjusted by default.".
>
> Does this mean that I won't be able to print it?  I have no idea why I
> would choose this
> versus "Slide" or the others.  I have no idea the impact that choosing
> this option would have, other
> than the screen is adjusted by default and that the pres. is for
> computer screen presentation only.  Does this
> mean I couldn't print the presentation?
>
> I don't really know what that means -- Why would I use "Screen" output
> medium instead of
> the others?  Perhaps if the help would have a sentence or two about
> /why/ I would choose
> a specific output medium, or give examples of presentations that use
> specific output mediums, this
> would greatly improve the Help section for this step of the wizard.
>
> "Slide" output medium's help states "Creates a presentation to be
> used as slides".  What does that mean?  I thought that all Impress
> presentations were to be used as slides?  Again, perhaps an example
> scenario or
> presentation would be a great help to users like me who are just
> trying to create a
> presentation and are following the Wizard.
>
> Thanks for listening to my suggestions.
>
> --Nate
>
>
>
>
> I'd be happy to file a "bug" or "improvement" if someone points me
> to an easy way to do this.
>
> Thanks,
> --Nate
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I give this information for future searches on the list archives ... no
sweat, sorry if it felt like a "correction" :)

R.

2012/2/3 Dan Lewis 

> I understand that this mailing list strips all attachments. I also
> know that if I send an email to this list with a CC to the individual,
> the list will contain only my message while the individual will receive
> both. Please reread the second paragraph as to the purpose of the email
> with its CC.
>
> --Dan
>
> On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 22:52 -0200, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
> > No attachments onlist, use a outside folder (dropbox) or put ir on the
> wiki
> > and link it to us
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> > 2012/2/2 Dan Lewis 
> >
> > >  Helen:
> > > Would you do me a favor and proofread the attached document also. It
> > > belongs in the Gettting Started with Base Chapter just before "Creating
> > > Tables with Design View" page 11. (It should follow the section,
> > > "Creating a table by copying an existing table" )
> > > I am sending a CC to you with the attachment so you will get it.
> > > The email to the list lets you know it is coming from me.
> > >
> > > --Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 16:55 +, Hazel Russman wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:13:14 + (GMT)
> > > > Tom Davies  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, I've checked this one out and downloaded it. I'll put it in the
> > > feedback folder when I've finished.
> > > >
> > > > Have they changed the way things are done on this site? You used to
> > > retract things, not check them out.
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Hazel :)
> > > > > If you can proof-read them at ODFAuthors site then we can worry
> about
> > > uploading to the wiki later.  I think Dan can upload to the LO wiki.
>  It is
> > > a different one from the OOo one.
> > > > > Regards from
> > > > > Tom :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/2/12, Hazel Russman 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Hazel Russman 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base
> > > > > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > > Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 13:57
> > > > >
> > > > > I can download them from the ODF site if Dan puts them in the
> > > > > drafts folder. I don't think I'm registered on the LO wiki. I was
> > > > > registered on wiki.services.openoffice.org but I assume LO has its
> > > > > own wiki site.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:36:47 + (GMT)
> > > > > Tom Davies  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi :)
> > > > > > Are you happy enough with them to put them on the wiki as
> "drafts",
> > > > > > like we did with chapter 2?  I don't know enough about using
> Base nor
> > > > > > about the ODFAuthors site to proof-read.  Hazel?  Any chance of
> > > > > > proof-reading any of them? Regards from Tom :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/2/12, Dan Lewis  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Dan Lewis 
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with
> Base
> > > > > > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 13:23
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  I also have preliminary copies of chapters 3 and 4 of the
> Base
> > > > > > Guide. I hope to have them uploaded in the ODFAuthors web site
> with
> > > > > > the first two chapters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:15 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi :)
> > > > > > > I think these chapters are really helping people on the Users
> > > > > > > List.  We are getting far more questions about Base now and
> more of
> > > > > > > those are new to databases generally.  Being able to point at
> > > > > > > documentation helps but a lot of the questions are amore
> advanced
> > > > > > > than those 2 c

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

No attachments onlist, use a outside folder (dropbox) or put ir on the wiki
and link it to us

Rogerio

2012/2/2 Dan Lewis 

>  Helen:
> Would you do me a favor and proofread the attached document also. It
> belongs in the Gettting Started with Base Chapter just before "Creating
> Tables with Design View" page 11. (It should follow the section,
> "Creating a table by copying an existing table" )
> I am sending a CC to you with the attachment so you will get it.
> The email to the list lets you know it is coming from me.
>
> --Dan
>
>
> On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 16:55 +, Hazel Russman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:13:14 + (GMT)
> > Tom Davies  wrote:
> >
> > OK, I've checked this one out and downloaded it. I'll put it in the
> feedback folder when I've finished.
> >
> > Have they changed the way things are done on this site? You used to
> retract things, not check them out.
> >
> > > Hi Hazel :)
> > > If you can proof-read them at ODFAuthors site then we can worry about
> uploading to the wiki later.  I think Dan can upload to the LO wiki.  It is
> a different one from the OOo one.
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 2/2/12, Hazel Russman  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Hazel Russman 
> > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base
> > > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > > Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 13:57
> > >
> > > I can download them from the ODF site if Dan puts them in the
> > > drafts folder. I don't think I'm registered on the LO wiki. I was
> > > registered on wiki.services.openoffice.org but I assume LO has its
> > > own wiki site.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:36:47 + (GMT)
> > > Tom Davies  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi :)
> > > > Are you happy enough with them to put them on the wiki as "drafts",
> > > > like we did with chapter 2?  I don't know enough about using Base nor
> > > > about the ODFAuthors site to proof-read.  Hazel?  Any chance of
> > > > proof-reading any of them? Regards from Tom :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 2/2/12, Dan Lewis  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Dan Lewis 
> > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base
> > > > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 13:23
> > > >
> > > >  I also have preliminary copies of chapters 3 and 4 of the Base
> > > > Guide. I hope to have them uploaded in the ODFAuthors web site with
> > > > the first two chapters.
> > > >
> > > > --Dan
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:15 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > > > Hi :)
> > > > > I think these chapters are really helping people on the Users
> > > > > List.  We are getting far more questions about Base now and more of
> > > > > those are new to databases generally.  Being able to point at
> > > > > documentation helps but a lot of the questions are amore advanced
> > > > > than those 2 chapters deal with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hopefully more interest in Base will lead to more devs working on
> > > > > it.  So, keep up the good work it is much appreciated! :) Regards
> > > > > from Tom :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/2/12, Dan Lewis  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Dan Lewis 
> > > > > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base
> > > > > To: "LibreOffice Documentation"
> > > > >  Date: Thursday, 2 February,
> > > > > 2012, 3:30
> > > > >
> > > > >  The Report section has been rewritten to include the basics
> for
> > > > > using the Report Builder extension. It is now in the Draft folder
> > > > > of the Getting Started Guide folder. Along with it is a zip file of
> > > > > the screenshots that I replaced throughout the chapter. The
> replaced
> > > > > screenshots were probably taken before we went to the XP silver
> > > > > theme.
> > > > >  Now if I could only get Chapter 2 of the Base Guide done
> before
> > > > > Jean arrives back from the frozen south ...  I just might make it.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Dan
> > > --
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Hazel Russman
> > >
>
> > --
> > Hazel Russman 
> >
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The License to Translate Ooo Basic Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

The original document does not have the license in it it has a link to the
site of the license, can this be used in our translation?

And in my copy there is no mention to the contributors to this document,
how do I find them out ?

Rogerio


2012/1/31 Sophie Gautier 

> Hi Rogerio
>
> On 31/01/2012 21:18, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
>
>> 2012/1/31 Sophie Gautier
>> >
>>
>>  Hi Rogerio,
>>>
>>> On 30/01/2012 21:41, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ok so there is someone in the Brazilian team that is interested in
>>>> translating the Ooo's BasicGuide for macro programing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It depends of what guides you're talking about. The one originally
>>> produced by Sun were under the PDL licence and ported to the wiki under
>>> this licence
>>>
>>>
>>>  Here is the link for the guide I refer to ... it is the
>> Basic-programming
>> language guide
>>
>> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/images/**
>> d/dd/BasicGuide_OOo3.2.0.odt<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/dd/BasicGuide_OOo3.2.0.odt>
>>
>
> So it's under PDL license, a license we have written several time ago now
> ;) Your translated document needs to be under the same license and a copy
> of the license must be provided with the document.
> You have to fill and add the appendix to your document mentioning the
> initial contributor and the new contributors of the modified document and
> their contact. You don't need to list the modifications made.
> There is no restriction to the modifications you are allowed to make to
> the document, you can change it as you like (FDL allow to block some parts,
> but not the PDL).
> You may add any license compatible to this one if you want.
> The PDL is available here: 
> http://www.openoffice.org/**licenses/PDL.html<http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html>
>
>
> Kind regards
> Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The License to Translate Ooo Basic Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2012/1/31 Sophie Gautier 

> Hi Rogerio,
>
> On 30/01/2012 21:41, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
>
>> Ok so there is someone in the Brazilian team that is interested in
>> translating the Ooo's BasicGuide for macro programing.
>>
>
> It depends of what guides you're talking about. The one originally
> produced by Sun were under the PDL licence and ported to the wiki under
> this licence
>
>
Here is the link for the guide I refer to ... it is the Basic-programming
language guide

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/dd/BasicGuide_OOo3.2.0.odt

Rogerio

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[libreoffice-documentation] The License to Translate Ooo Basic Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Ok so there is someone in the Brazilian team that is interested in
translating the Ooo's BasicGuide for macro programing.

What I would like to know is how did we get the first Writer book converted
to LibO ?

1) What did we do with the license?

I am about to change the template form Ooo's docs do our own, can I use the
license we use usually?

Since it is a translation, do I need to bother?

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc guide - correction

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Peter there is no way to send atachments to the list.

Please send a thorough explanation so we can check it or send links of the
captures you are making so we can access these links

Thx

Rogerio

2011/12/20 Peter Byron 

> I have been using the Calc guide as shown at address below:
>
>
> http://lia.deis.unibo.it/Courses/InfoGrafica1112/materiale/laboratorio/mat_es04/CalcGuide.pdf
>
> Great effort but I have one suggestion: on top of page 228 it states in
> relation to Pivot Tables, "Unfortunately, Calc does not allow you to use
> the same data field multiple times." This is not correct. The example given
> creates three identical series then loads one in to perform a sum, another
> one to perform a minimum and the third to do maximum. All can be done with
> just the one series.See attached screen capture, all the user needs to do
> is hold done the CTRL key and he/she can select, for example, sum, min, max
> and the Pivot Table wil show all three. This is a massive time saver and I
> think it should be mentioned here. Took me literally years to find out
> about it.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Hey ... no problem ... REALLY ... Its just not something I will care to fix
if it won't be used anywhere, thats all.

I don't have online "feelings" ... so they don't get hurt :

Rogerio

2011/12/14 Jean Weber 

> I don't remember who is dealing with that page, or what happened (or
> not) with the doc you wrote. I have a vague (and possibly incorrect)
> memory that this was on David Nelson's to-do list. I've been popping
> in and out of the project, so I haven't kept up as well as I sometimes
> do. But I don't think your doc is being deliberately hidden, though it
> may well have been mislaid.
>
> And I have no idea who edited it badly. Perhaps that is why it's still
> hidden, awaiting someone to clean it up.
>
> --Jean
>
> On 08/12/2011, at 10:07, Rogerio Luz Coelho  wrote:
>
> > Ok good to know, just to clarify, the document that is in Alfresco (and
> > wich needs some polishing again) was not used in that page?
> >
> > Well ... at least it is there in Alfresco (although it was awfully edited
> > with some parts of some other document added)
> >
> > If it pleases the team I would be willing to give it another reshaping,
> but
> > I won't if it will be kept a secret as it is currently :)
> >
> > No problem ...  I wrote those instructions for the wiki and for myself,
> but
> > I have little time to spare, so if it will not be used anywhere, I
> preffer
> > to spend my time in other endeavors.
> >
> > I'll await your input
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> > PS: @Peter, good to see you did it, but if we were to debug the problem
> we
> > should have some more info ... but forget that for now and on to your
> work
> > :)
> >
> > 2011/12/6 Peter Schofield 
> >
> >> Hello Rogerio
> >>
> >> I installed Ubuntu 11.10 as a second OS on my toshiba laptop. The
> standard
> >> Ubuntu installation includes LibreOffice, but not the Base program. So,
> I
> >> re-installed LibreOffice from the Ubuntu Software Center to make sure
> Base
> >> was installed. However, the Galaxy set was not installed and only the
> Human
> >> set was available for icons.
> >>
> >> I downloaded the Linux Debian version from the LibreOffice website and
> the
> >> went to http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ for the
> >> installation instructions. Everything went OK using Terminal until I
> >> reached Step 4. When I ran the dpkg command again for
> desktop-integration,
> >> a conflict error message appeared. I cannot remember the message and the
> >> dpkg command completed. I then checked LibreOffice and found that the
> >> Galaxy set had not installed. So I used Synaptic to install the Galaxy
> set
> >> without any problems.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6 Dec 2011, at 01:41, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
> >>
> >>> @ Peter and Gabriel:
> >>>
> >>> I wrote the instructions for Linux install a while back ... so please:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Where exactly did you follow instructions
> >>>
> >>> 2) what is exactly the error you see
> >>>
> >>> Thx
> >>>
> >>> Rogerio
> >>>
> >>> 2011/12/5 Peter Schofield 
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Jean
> >>>>
> >>>> Just tried installing LO into Ubuntu 11.10 following the instructions
> on
> >>>> the LO website - download the DEB package from LO website, unarchive
> and
> >>>> use Terminal. The Galaxy set does not install and using Terminal
> >> produces a
> >>>> conflict error. Solution was to use Synaptic and install the Galaxy
> >> set. I
> >>>> definitely now have Galaxy set as default.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5 Dec 2011, at 09:31, Jean Weber wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 17:35,   wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jean
> >>>>>> not sure if I have it correctly but:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In Ubuntu 11.10 you have to install the additional
> >> libreoffice-style-XXX
> >>>>>> packages if you use the default install of Libreoffice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Choice

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Printing Exporting ... etc.

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/12/10 Jean Weber 

> Rogerio, you have administrator permissions, so you should be able to
> upload a new chapter, or a new version of an existing chapter, to any
> folder on the Alfresco website. If you can't, then it's difficult for
> me to guess what if anything you are doing wrong, if you don't tell me
> exactly what you did that did not work. BTW, sometimes the website
> just does not work for awhile and then it works again just fine. This
> happened to Dan Lewis a week or so ago.
>
> If problems continue, you can send the file to my personal address and
> I'll try to upload it for you.
>
> --Jean
>

Yep ... tried some more and finally got it ... thx

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/12/9 Dan Lewis 

> Question: If a person has two version of LO on Ubuntu, how many
> might use the wrong version when writing and making screenshots? They
> would look similar unless the icon styles for the two versions were
> noticeably different. (I have used OOo to write my chapters and LO for
> taking the screenshots at the same time. But sometimes I accidentally
> reverse these two. Jean caught a couple of these recently in Chapter 1
> of the Base Guide.)
> If the partition contains only the LO website version, one more
> possible error (for some people) is eliminated.
>
> --Dan


Err... What is the question? How to see if LibO is being used and what
version? Go to Help > About LibreOffice with an open document, if this is
not it, I think I misunderstand the question ..

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Gave the wiki a slight lift ... let's see how it goes.

Rogerio

2011/12/8 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Ahh, you are only used to the complicated stuff.  For wiki-editing click
> on the top-right corner of the page to register yourself.  Check your
> emails after maybe 10mins to check you get the confirmation note.
>
> Passwords need to be very straight-forwards so my usual type of thing
> didn't work.  I had to use "password" for ages (ie the 1st one that people
> try when trying to hack a system).
>
> Formatting is done using = around headings, == around sub-headings, ===
> around sub-sub-headings.  Tables use the | not l but mostly they are
> already there and easy to copy&paste if you can't find them on the
> keyboard.  Uk have them to the left of the z, i think Usa&laptops are often
> somewhere around the zero i think.  Basically it's very much like html but
> with strange characters 'to make it easier'.
>
> If you stuff-up the editing really badly it's fairly easy for someone else
> to rescue it or even revert to a previous version and save you hours of
> panic.  I wish someone had told me that last hint when i first started!
>
> I can give details off-list if you run into issues or on-list, either way
> is good.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 8/12/11, Peter Schofield  wrote:
>
> From: Peter Schofield 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set:
> Solved
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Thursday, 8 December, 2011, 14:03
>
> Hello Tom
>
> It is not written up. This idea only came to me after reading some of the
> discussion posts this morning.
>
> I have never edited or written for a wikki before. It is a step never
> taken. Some advice would be well received.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 8 Dec 2011, at 12:40, Tom Davies wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > It's great that the most unreliable things about LO are it's problems!
> ;)  Peter is the issue written up in the wiki?  I thought it was but if you
> need a hand editing the wiki i might be able to help.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> > --- On Thu, 8/12/11, Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > From: Jean Weber 
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: The missing Galaxy icon
> set: Solved
> > To: "documentation@global.libreoffice.org" <
> documentation@global.libreoffice.org>
> > Date: Thursday, 8 December, 2011, 9:54
> >
> > I have never attempted to do the desktop integration and I've not had a
> problem with keeping and using two versions of LO on Ubuntu. Not that I've
> used it much on v11.10, so I could be missing something.
> >
> > --Jean
> >
> > On 08/12/2011, at 18:39, PeeWee  wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Rogerio and Tom
> >>
> >> The installation instructions on the Wikki do work, but you have to do
> a bit
> >> preparation first when using Ubuntu 11.10.
> >>
> >> Use Synaptic and completely remove the Ubuntu version of LibreOffice.
> >> Download the latest version of LibreOffice from the website.
> >> Use the installation instructions on the LO website and everything
> installs
> >> OK, even Step 4 for desktop-integration.
> >> The Galaxy icon set also installs using this method.
> >>
> >> The obvious problem is between the LO version that comes with Ubuntu
> 11.10
> >> and desktop-integration. This is where the conflict happens if you do
> NOT
> >> remove the Ubuntu LO version.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> --
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Printing Exporting ... etc.

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Alfresco it will be then, thx Tom and Jean.

Just one more question, seems I can't upload the chapter to Drafts folder
... is there anything I am doing wrong ? Is there a problem with my
permissions?

Rogerio

2011/12/6 Jean Weber 

> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:48, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> > I worked on the GSG for pt-br in the chapter for Printing and did a
> little
> > tweaking that I see as a more intuitive way do adress delimitors for
> these
> > chapters. I would like to try it in English.
> >
> > How should I proceed ?
> >
> > 1) send the small tweak here on list for approval ?
> >
> > 2) edit the GS chapter to the changes I expect get merged ? And then if
> > they are approved jsut change the other Printing chapters (Calc, Writer,
> > etc...) ?
>
>
> Either is fine, but I like (2) better. That gets it "into the system"
> without relying on one of us to take the info from a note on the list
> and put it into the chapter. Edit the English as needed is much more
> likely to get done if it's in the chapter already.
>
> --Jean
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Ok good to know, just to clarify, the document that is in Alfresco (and
wich needs some polishing again) was not used in that page?

Well ... at least it is there in Alfresco (although it was awfully edited
with some parts of some other document added)

If it pleases the team I would be willing to give it another reshaping, but
I won't if it will be kept a secret as it is currently :)

No problem ...  I wrote those instructions for the wiki and for myself, but
I have little time to spare, so if it will not be used anywhere, I preffer
to spend my time in other endeavors.

I'll await your input

Rogerio

PS: @Peter, good to see you did it, but if we were to debug the problem we
should have some more info ... but forget that for now and on to your work
:)

2011/12/6 Peter Schofield 

> Hello Rogerio
>
> I installed Ubuntu 11.10 as a second OS on my toshiba laptop. The standard
> Ubuntu installation includes LibreOffice, but not the Base program. So, I
> re-installed LibreOffice from the Ubuntu Software Center to make sure Base
> was installed. However, the Galaxy set was not installed and only the Human
> set was available for icons.
>
> I downloaded the Linux Debian version from the LibreOffice website and the
> went to http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ for the
> installation instructions. Everything went OK using Terminal until I
> reached Step 4. When I ran the dpkg command again for desktop-integration,
> a conflict error message appeared. I cannot remember the message and the
> dpkg command completed. I then checked LibreOffice and found that the
> Galaxy set had not installed. So I used Synaptic to install the Galaxy set
> without any problems.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 6 Dec 2011, at 01:41, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
>
> > @ Peter and Gabriel:
> >
> > I wrote the instructions for Linux install a while back ... so please:
> >
> > 1) Where exactly did you follow instructions
> >
> > 2) what is exactly the error you see
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> > 2011/12/5 Peter Schofield 
> >
> >> Hello Jean
> >>
> >> Just tried installing LO into Ubuntu 11.10 following the instructions on
> >> the LO website - download the DEB package from LO website, unarchive and
> >> use Terminal. The Galaxy set does not install and using Terminal
> produces a
> >> conflict error. Solution was to use Synaptic and install the Galaxy
> set. I
> >> definitely now have Galaxy set as default.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 Dec 2011, at 09:31, Jean Weber wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 17:35,   wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Jean
> >>>> not sure if I have it correctly but:
> >>>>
> >>>> In Ubuntu 11.10 you have to install the additional
> libreoffice-style-XXX
> >>>> packages if you use the default install of Libreoffice.
> >>>>
> >>>> Choices for XXX are hicontrast, human, crystal, oxygen, tango and
> galaxy
> >>>> - 6 separate packages to install. If you do not install these, you do
> >>>> not see the options for the various icon sets in the Options dialog of
> >>>> LO.
> >>>>
> >>>> hth
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Martin, I am sure you are right.  Aha! They are in
> >>> Synaptic package manager. Why didn't I think of that? (Probably
> >>> because I'm using a Mac these days. How quickly I forget Ubuntu
> >>> things!)
> >>>
> >>> So that is another way for Gabriel and others to get the Galaxy icon
> >>> set. I still think it's best to install LO from the LO website, to
> >>> avoid any other differences that may exist in the distro versions of
> >>> LO.
> >>>
> >>> --Jean
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[libreoffice-documentation] Printing Exporting ... etc.

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I worked on the GSG for pt-br in the chapter for Printing and did a little
tweaking that I see as a more intuitive way do adress delimitors for these
chapters. I would like to try it in English.

How should I proceed ?

1) send the small tweak here on list for approval ?

2) edit the GS chapter to the changes I expect get merged ? And then if
they are approved jsut change the other Printing chapters (Calc, Writer,
etc...) ?

Thx

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Portuguese wiki

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

No problem ... If people don't like it they acan always change it back :)))

Rogerio

2011/12/5 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
>
> As i was editing the page for the completed Getting Started Guide
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br/Guia_do_Iniciante
> Someone completed their part of the next book in
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br/Tradução
> and happily updated the colour to show it's moved on to the next step.
>
> So, i updated all the rest of the tables on that page to make them all
> similar to that table.  If 1 active person is happy with it then hopefully
> most other people will be ok with it too?  I know it's really really cheeky
> of me, especially as it's the 2nd time i have forced changes on them but
> hopefully they wont mind to much?  Sorry i didn't use the testing page to
> trial the idea before going ahead.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

@ Peter and Gabriel:

I wrote the instructions for Linux install a while back ... so please:

1) Where exactly did you follow instructions

2) what is exactly the error you see

Thx

Rogerio

2011/12/5 Peter Schofield 

> Hello Jean
>
> Just tried installing LO into Ubuntu 11.10 following the instructions on
> the LO website - download the DEB package from LO website, unarchive and
> use Terminal. The Galaxy set does not install and using Terminal produces a
> conflict error. Solution was to use Synaptic and install the Galaxy set. I
> definitely now have Galaxy set as default.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 5 Dec 2011, at 09:31, Jean Weber wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 17:35,   wrote:
> >>
> >> Jean
> >> not sure if I have it correctly but:
> >>
> >> In Ubuntu 11.10 you have to install the additional libreoffice-style-XXX
> >> packages if you use the default install of Libreoffice.
> >>
> >> Choices for XXX are hicontrast, human, crystal, oxygen, tango and galaxy
> >> - 6 separate packages to install. If you do not install these, you do
> >> not see the options for the various icon sets in the Options dialog of
> >> LO.
> >>
> >> hth
> >> Martin
> >>
> >
> > Martin, I am sure you are right.  Aha! They are in
> > Synaptic package manager. Why didn't I think of that? (Probably
> > because I'm using a Mac these days. How quickly I forget Ubuntu
> > things!)
> >
> > So that is another way for Gabriel and others to get the Galaxy icon
> > set. I still think it's best to install LO from the LO website, to
> > avoid any other differences that may exist in the distro versions of
> > LO.
> >
> > --Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Published chapters of Getting Started and Writer Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/12/5 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Time i get 'free' is pretty sporadic and unreliable at best.  Wiki-editing
> seems to be the best area for me because if i have to drop it in a hurry
> and can't get back to finish off my plans then it usually looks ok and
> there is always someone able to move things on easily.  I tend to worry if
> no-one else edits a page after me as there is always more to do.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
As I said, just kidding, great job .. will try to make the table at the GS
site look as good as you left the other one. Just not that much available
for this right now

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Published chapters of Getting Started and Writer Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/12/1 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> I don't really like the idea of adding more and more pages but it does get
> around the problems that tables have.  The wiki tables tend to be pretty
> bad so i was hoping i could get the html ones a lot nicer.
>
> Luckily the Portuguese team seem to be quite happy with the modifications
> i did to their tables and have added to and modified them a bit which is
> always good to see.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> So you have some time on your hands? Get to work boy!!

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br/Guia_do_Iniciante

This is the location for the finalized GS Pt-br guide ...

-- Just kidding of course :) Thx again Tom

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide in Portuguese (pt-br)

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/11/21 David Nelson 

> Hi Rogerio,
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Rogerio Luz Coelho
>  wrote:
> > Ok need the Alfresco Adress, the login and the actual password :)
>
> I see Jean fixed you up, right?
>

Yes thx ...

David ... what is the work and how is it being done on the new Getting
Started Guides?

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide in Portuguese (pt-br)

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Ok need the Alfresco Adress, the login and the actual password :)

Rogerio

2011/11/20 Jean Weber 

> I think I did it correctly, but if not then David Nelson will have to
> do his magic tricks.
>
> --Jean
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:48, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> > Seems I can't access the Alfresco site any more
> >
> > Please send me the site and a user/pass combo
> >
> > user could be RogerioLuzCoelho
> >
> > If I can get admin rights again for the pt-br folder it would be grand :)
> >
> > Rogerio
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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide in Portuguese (pt-br)

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Seems I can't access the Alfresco site any more

Please send me the site and a user/pass combo

user could be RogerioLuzCoelho

If I can get admin rights again for the pt-br folder it would be grand :)

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Workflow for creating documents in the Documentation/Development wiki page

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Seems good and clean to me ... no need to get any shorter, congrats!

Rogerio


2011/11/19 Dan Lewis 

> I have been known to be verbose at times, but here are my thought
> about Step 1 of the Workflow list:
>
> 1.) The workflow begins with creating a new document or revising and
>existing document.
>a.) Create a new document using the latest chapter template
>(currently LO_3_4_chapter_template.ott). Also study and apply
>the principles of Producing-LO-userguides.odt. Both of these
>documents will guide you as you write your new document.
>i.) Naming convention for new documents: CCDDDBB-Name where CC
>is the book initials, DD is the LibreOffice version (33 is
>version 3.3 and 34 is version 3.4), and BB is the chapter
>number (two digits). For directions on formating the name
>of the document, see page 20 of Producing-LO-
>userguides.odt. For example, WG33-WorkingWithText.odt is
>chapter 3 of the Writer Guide for LibreOffice version 3.3.x.
>   Book initials (CC):
>   GS = Getting Started
>   WG = Writer Guide
>   CG = Calc Guide
>   DG = Draw Guide
>   IG = Impress Guide
>   BG = Base Guide
>   MG = Math Guide
>b.) Existing documents already have a template. When editing one,
>you might need to update the template (first thing to check).
>Then make sure you have "change tracking" on (Edit > Changes >
>Record). Then review the document making changes as you go.
>c.) Uploading drafts to the appropriate draft folder:
>i.)   If you have not already done so, request your user name
>  and password for the Alfresco web site from the document
>  team mailing list. (documentation@global.libreoffice.org)
>ii.)  Then sign into the Alfresco web site. The path to the
>  draft folder to which you should upload your draft:
>  Repository (at the top) > English (left side) >
>  Documentation > (appropriate folder for your document) >
>  Drafts.
>iii.) Click the Upload button (at the top) and a pop-up window
>  appears. Click the icon containing a sheet of paper and a
>  magnifying glass to browse to your draft file on you
>  computer. Click the “Upload file(s)” button to begin the
>  uploading. (uploading process is shown over the name of
>  your file.) When the uploading is completed, the "Upload
>  file(s)" button changes to OK. Click it. If the uploading
>  fails, try again. (Some times it takes two or three tries
>  to successfully upload a file.) The file now appears in
>  the draft folder.
>iv.)  Submitting your document for review: On the right side of
>  the file look for “+More” Click it to open a drop down
>  list. Select "Submit for review". (The file is moved to
>  the Proofing folder.)
>v.)   Report what you have done to the document team mailing
>  list. (documentation@global.libreoffice.org)
>
>Perhaps this is too exact, and perhaps someone else can find a way
> to say these things if fewer words.
>
> --Dan
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide in Portuguese (pt-br)

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/11/18 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Congrats!! :) Good work :)  Could i edit the wiki page a bit and see if i
> can make the table look more open like on the English / 'international' page
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
>

Sure ... please do a copu of the page before you edit it ... we had some
problems with that in the past ... lost a lot of work. If you click on edit
you an copy paste the hole page and then rename it to a working version.
Post it here (or to me) so we can have a look.



>
> I am not sure if i could manage it as there is a lot more info on the
> Portuguese page but i might be able to do it.  Maybe.
>
> A lot of work has been done on the Getting Started Guide as you will find
> in Alfresco.  Hopefully you will find it has gone in approximately the same
> direction as the translations.  I guess you all tidied up some of the
> problems as you translated?
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> What I am talking about is some images and text in the Getting Started
Guide posted at /Documentation/Publication if that is different from what
is in Afresco I think it needs to be updated, if not then I can start the
updating process.

Rogerio


>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide in Portuguese (pt-br)

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Hello again.

I am proud to announce that the first EVER final version of the LibreOffice
"Getting Started Guide" has recently been published in Brasilian-Portuguese
(pt-br)

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br/Tradu%C3%A7%C3%A3o#Guia_do_Iniciante

We are now devoted to finishing the last revisions of the Writer Guide and
soon Calc and Impress will follow.

Rogerio

PS: I see that the English GSG is has some out-dated figures and some
passages were dificult to understand. If I can get some work done on them
is there any interest on the English Team?

I have been away form the list and from Afresco for a while, so if someone
can tell me how to go about this work it would be grand ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Apache OpenOffice.org

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

For docs or for devs?

Rogerio


2011/6/10 planas 

> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:04 +, toki wrote:
>
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On 09/06/2011 21:38, Jean Weber wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know what this will mean for us in the OOo and LibO docs
> groups, but I am concerned about the potential for further fragmentation of
> a small group of docs people into working on several
> > projects.
> >
> > If The Apache Software Foundation does what they normally do with
> > projects, there will not be a binary release of Apache OpenOffice.org.
> > There will only be a source code release.
> >
> > The onus will be on third parties to deliver binaries.
> >
> > Given the history of third party distribution of OOo binaries, I suspect
> > that tracking the third parties that deliver binaries that are either
> > based upon, or exclusively Apache OpenOffice.org code to non-trivial.
> >
> > I don't see typical OOo end-users grabbing the Apache OpenOffice.org
> > source code, and compiling it for their system.
> >
> > > We really need to work on better ways to reuse material without time
> consuming rebranding
> >
> > +1
> >
> > OTOH, I'm not sure how much material will be reusable.
> > In updating _OOo in a Multi-Lingual Environment_, my original theory was
> > to include OOo4Kids, and OOoLight.  Due to the differences between those
> > programs, and OOo, I had to either write: "This can not be done using
> > OOo4Kids" or else write a completely different set of instructions.
> > Instructions that, as often as not, did not work with either OOo, or
> LibO.
> >
> > > by automating everything we can and choosing not to do some
> > non-essential things that can't be automated.
> >
> > The practical issue is:
> > * Which existing OOo derivatives/variants should the Documentation
> > Project track;
> > * What criteria should be used, to determine which new
> > derivatives/variants should be tracked;
> >
> > Existing OOo derivatives/variants are:
> > # FLOSS:
> > * GO-Oo;
> > * BrOffice;
> > * LibreOffice;
> > * OOo4Kids;
> > * OOoLight;
> > * OpenOffice.org;
> > * OxygenOffice;
> >
> > # Proprietary:
> > * 602Office;
> > * Co-Create Office;
> > * EuroOffice;
> > * KaiOffice;
> > * MagyarOffice;
> > * MyOffice 2007;
> > * NeoOffice;
> > * NextOffice;
> > * OfficeOne;
> > * OpenOffice Pro;
> > * OpenOffice UX PL;
> > * OpenOffice PL;
> > * RedOffice;
> > * StarOffice/Oracle OpenOffice;
> > * Symphony;
> > * ThizOffice;
> > * UPOffice;
> > * WPOffice;
> >
> > I put that list together, based on various pages on the web.  Not all of
> > those programs are still distributed.
> >
> >
> > jonathon
> > - --
> > If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting.
> >
> > If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth
> > requesting.
> >
> >   DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw.
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>
> Do we want to track KOffice and Calligra as well? They have some
> interesting ideas that we should probably look at.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New Project

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I think the monography book is too expecific to Brasil to be of any use in
another language.

Klaibson's book has to be compared with the Getting Started Series.

Rogerio
(also brasilian)

2011/6/10 Renata Marques 

> David,
>
> Beyond the Klaibson's ebook, we have another book about completion of
> course
> work formatting (like monographys). I think can be a good idea translate it
> to English, if don't exists another similary. It is Creative Commons as
> well.
> We are now putting all ebooks and tutorials of users community in this
> page:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FromCommunity/pt-br
> (The previous page is been changed).
>
> Klaibson,
> Sou tao brasileira quanto você. O livro em Português me será muito útil.
> ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Renata Marques
>
> 2011/6/9 Klaibson Ribeiro 
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > Renata, could translate the e-book, no problems and thanks for link.
> >
> > David: Could translate the ebook others languages as: german, italian,
> > french, spanish, russian, etc.
> >
> > Good week.
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Want to contribute to documentation..

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

IMPRESS !!!

We need work done on Impress ...

We REALLY need a table to look what is done by whom ...

Rogerio


2011/6/2 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Yes, hopefully Alex Thurgood and someone.  Base is in a bit of a mess.
>  Even if
> various sources and training guides are consolidated then the documentation
> is
> still likely to be very sparse compared to the other guides.  But people
> seem to
> shy away from relational databases or have put so much work into the one
> they
> have that switching to a different one is much more difficult.
>
>
> By contrast a lot of people seem to be trying Impress and asking questions
> about
> it.  So, Base is less urgent imo and probably needs people that have a lot
> of
> experience with it to try getting something together for it first.
>
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: David Nelson 
> To: documentation@libreoffice.org
> Sent: Thu, 2 June, 2011 17:45:02
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Want to contribute to
> documentation..
>
> Hi Tom, :-)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 19:40, Tom Davies  wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > I think most people are working on Impress?  A couple of people were
> interested
> > in working on Base and there is a LOT of work to be done there!  I'm not
> sure
> > about Draw or Math.  I odn't really notice those 2 although i think i
> should
> >try
> > to use Draw instead of always reaching for Gimp.  Vector graphics scare
> me a
> >bit
> > but i need to use them.  The 2 main crucial ones, Writer and Calc, are
> done (i
> > think).  Impress is the most important one right now imo.
> >
> >
> > I'm not certain about the status of the packages though so a status
> report
> >would
> > be great.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Thanks for that advice, it gives me an idea of where to start
> looking... It seems to me that someone is already working on Base...
> But I'll have a detailed look tomorrow morn Don't hesititate if
> you have other ideas :-)
>
> David Nelson
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice massive deployment at Windows environment

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/5/26 Leif Lodahl 

> Hi all,
> My blogpost on lodahl.blogspot.com was the outcome of the discussion on
> mail
> earlier.
>
>
>
Made a link to your post in out How To section - if you could make a page of
this HowTo you would be credited points for the work in the LibreOffice
Comunity.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo

To make a page yourself (seems a simple copy - paste will settle most of the
content) just type
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/Silent_Install_Windowsand
make it !!


> > The Admin documentation hasn't been ported over from OOo to
> > LibreOffice, but the process shound be much the same as is documented
> > here:
> >
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Administration_Guide/Windows
> > I validated the instructions on OOo about 2 releases ago, and I don't
> > think a lot has changed since then.  That said, the steps given do
> > need to be tested before you do any mass deployment.
> >
>

Put a link on our Documentation page to this Administration Guide.




> > The difference is that a silent installation of LibreOffice will install
> all languages.
>
>
> Maybe another How To / modifying the one that I put there?

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New blog post: Basic page layout using page styles

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Well, we in Brasil have a How To section on our Wiki, I am building one for
the English team also, and am linking this page to it, please see if it is
ok to use Ooo free content for our LibO pages:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo

Rogerio



2011/5/22 Jean Hollis Weber 

>
> http://libodocs.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/basic-page-layout-using-page-styles/
>
> You may wish to mention it to your contacts on Facebook, Twitter, or
> whereever you like to spread info on LibreOffice.
>
> --Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] BASIC Programmers' Guide and Developers' Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Thanks have already set links to our Brazilian page.

Rogerio

2011/5/26 Jean Hollis Weber 

> You can now get the ODTs from English Content > Documentation on
> Alfresco, or from
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#Other_Documentation_and_Resources
>
> --Jean.
>
>
> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 17:31 -0300, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
> > Could you upload them somewhere ... just yesterday someone in the
> Brasilian
> > Dev list asked for a Developer's Guide ...
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> >
> > 2011/5/25 Jean Hollis Weber 
> >
> > > I have copies of the OpenOffice.org BASIC Programmers' Guide and the
> OOo
> > > Developers' Guide in wiki format and in ODT, in case we want to rebrand
> > > and update them for LibreOffice.
> > >
> > > The source documents for these books, unlike the OOo user guides, were
> > > maintained on the wiki, with the ODTs being generated occasionally (not
> > > often) from the wiki pages.
> > >
> > > If the documentation-on-the-wiki enthusiasts would like to have the
> wiki
> > > pages imported to the LibO wiki, I have the .xml files that should
> > > create all the pages. However, I don't have the necessary admin
> > > permission to import the .xml files to the wiki, and I've never done
> > > this before anyway.
> > >
> > > --Jean
> > >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] BASIC Programmers' Guide and Developers' Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Could you upload them somewhere ... just yesterday someone in the Brasilian
Dev list asked for a Developer's Guide ...

Rogerio


2011/5/25 Jean Hollis Weber 

> I have copies of the OpenOffice.org BASIC Programmers' Guide and the OOo
> Developers' Guide in wiki format and in ODT, in case we want to rebrand
> and update them for LibreOffice.
>
> The source documents for these books, unlike the OOo user guides, were
> maintained on the wiki, with the ODTs being generated occasionally (not
> often) from the wiki pages.
>
> If the documentation-on-the-wiki enthusiasts would like to have the wiki
> pages imported to the LibO wiki, I have the .xml files that should
> create all the pages. However, I don't have the necessary admin
> permission to import the .xml files to the wiki, and I've never done
> this before anyway.
>
> --Jean
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

If not Base will be abandoned is that it?

Is the actual state of this comonent usable at all?

Rogerio
On May 23, 2011 5:50 AM, "Alexander Thurgood" 
wrote:

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Assistance with libreoffice.org/get-help/installation?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/5/21 David Nelson 

> Hi, :-)
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 21:07, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> > Ok, now that was a nice feedback, I am correct in thinking that we will
> > abandon this project and start a new one?
>
> Well, maybe not "abandon", but how about re-write and simplify? Maybe
> a separate instruction set for each major Linux/Unix distrib? Anybody
> got any bright ideas?
>
>
The thing is that there are literally HUNDREDS of Distros that consider
themselves "major" Linux Distros.

We should try one of two approaches:

1) Do the .deb and .rpm pages and maybe a openSUSE specific page and leave
all the rest to their own distro-specific support , and maybe ask for a nice
packaged source installer to cover anything else from the the devs.

2) Expect that anyone can install from their repos, and let the developers
that need to install from packages/source to their own luck (after all they
*are* developers)

Either way I think (and that is why I stopped working on the file and on the
installation wiki page) that this is work with no future. All major distros
have LibO in their repos, and people trying to test the RC releases have
managed to install them in their systems with-without-despite our futile
efforts to make available install instructions.

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Assistance with libreoffice.org/get-help/installation?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/5/21 David Nelson 

> Hi Rogerio, :-)
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 20:42, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> > There still is my Installation instructions for Linux in Alfresco ... ?
> >
> > It was finished, but no one ever gave me feedback ...
>
> Yes, it can be found under Company Home > (en) English [English]
> Content > Documentation > Install Guides > Drafts
>
> I guess there was no feedback because it didn't get to a definitively
> finished state (proofreading, augmentation, etc.), and the context
> evolved (more distribs to take account of, etc.)... So it's still
> somewhat of a work in progress...
>
> Indeed, I ran into a couple of alternative sets of instructions around
> the Web that were geared towards a particular Linux distrib, that made
> the original instructions I wrote on the wiki look extremely complex
> and cumbersome... So we'd probably need to have a major re-think about
> the approach...
>
> David Nelson
>
>
Ok, now that was a nice feedback, I am correct in thinking that we will
abandon this project and start a new one?

R.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: More on documentation blog

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/5/17 planas 

> Rogerio
>
> On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 16:18 -0300, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
> > We have a magazine in Brasil with tips and tutorials and we were in the
> > process of translating some of the articles to English, will see about
> > getting the authors / translators involved in posting in your blog soon
> :)
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/5/9 planas 
> >
> > > Jean
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 14:37 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> > >
> > > > Our blog is here:
> > > > http://libodocs.wordpress.com/
> > > >
> > > > It's a bit quick-and-dirty, but one of the great things about
> Wordpress
> > > > blogs is they can be rethemed and otherwise tweaked as often as we
> wish.
> > > > (Some of the tweaks require purchase of "Custom CSS Upgrade" for an
> > > > annual fee.)
> > > >
> > > > The important thing, of course, is content. I'm glad to see that
> people
> > > > are already interested in contributing articles.
> > > >
> > > > If you want Contributor, Editor, or Admin access to our blog, please
> let
> > > > me know. You'll need to have a Wordpress.com account (a username)
> before
> > > > I can authorise your access.
> > > >
> > > > Let's have fun, publish, and help the user community!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Jean
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have just opened a Wordpress account (jslozier). I probably will need
> > > editor access. I will get something on templates this week.
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> > > jsloz...@gmail.com
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> Do you have a list of topics are covered by your material?
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>
The link for the magazines in portuguese:
http://www.libreoffice.org.br/revista

If not in portuguese I will have to have some days to get these to you

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Assistance with libreoffice.org/get-help/installation?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/5/18 David Nelson 

> Hi Craig, :-)
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 00:32, C. Olofson  wrote:
> > On 05/14/2011 02:19 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 08:54 -0700, C. Olofson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello;
> >>>
> >>> I am volunteering via the US marketing group and a question came up
> >>> recently regarding http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation.
> >>> Does the documentation group intend to add other distributions to this
> >>> list (e.g. *BSD)?
> >>>
> >>> If the group does, I volunteer to help.  Is there an individual or
> >>> sub-group I can speak with about this, off-list?
> >>
> >> I think (may be wrong) that those pages come under the website team, not
> >> the documentation team, although we at Docs have contributed to it and
> >> suggested improvements to the install instructions. The last I heard
> >> (some months ago), David Nelson  seemed to be
> >> the person most involved in those pages. If he's not the contact for
> >> them now, he should know who is.
> >>
> >> --Jean
> >
> > Thank you Jean.  Missive sent!
> >
> > Best,
> > -Craig
>
> I replied to your off-list mail. As I said, I wrote the original
> draft, but it became rather a complex set of instructions when we
> tried to add other distribs. It really needs a thorough updating and
> revamp. If you'd like to take part in working on it, I can add you to
> the publishers group on the LibreOffice.org website...
>
> David Nelson
>
>
There still is my Installation instructions for Linux in Alfresco ... ?

It was finished, but no one ever gave me feedback ...

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Manual

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Please be more specific, the Base "chapter" of Getting Started?

Or Chapter 1 of the Base manual ?

Which file are you working on?

On Alfresco or ODFAuhors ?

Sorry, but until someone shows me a way to organize this mess these
questions must be answered firts :)

Rogerio



2011/5/14 planas 

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>
> I have started on working on the Base Manual.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: More on documentation blog

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

We have a magazine in Brasil with tips and tutorials and we were in the
process of translating some of the articles to English, will see about
getting the authors / translators involved in posting in your blog soon :)

Rogerio



2011/5/9 planas 

> Jean
>
> On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 14:37 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
>
> > Our blog is here:
> > http://libodocs.wordpress.com/
> >
> > It's a bit quick-and-dirty, but one of the great things about Wordpress
> > blogs is they can be rethemed and otherwise tweaked as often as we wish.
> > (Some of the tweaks require purchase of "Custom CSS Upgrade" for an
> > annual fee.)
> >
> > The important thing, of course, is content. I'm glad to see that people
> > are already interested in contributing articles.
> >
> > If you want Contributor, Editor, or Admin access to our blog, please let
> > me know. You'll need to have a Wordpress.com account (a username) before
> > I can authorise your access.
> >
> > Let's have fun, publish, and help the user community!
> >
> > Cheers, Jean
> >
> >
>
> I have just opened a Wordpress account (jslozier). I probably will need
> editor access. I will get something on templates this week.
> --
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Wiki Section PT

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Paulo ... BEM VINDO - WELCOME

Please visit http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/pt (and start
editing at will :)

Also Visit http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Multilingual_Wiki/pt-br (on
how to NAME your future wiki pages and translations)

Any other questions you can always send an e-mail to

d...@pt-br.libreoffice.org

Rogerio

PS: Outra coisa: aqui só discutimos sobre a Documentação internacional, ou
seja material escrito para servir de guia para o programa, arquivos de ajuda
e assim por diante, se tiver outras dúvidas com relação a Wiki deve ser
endereçada para o setor correspondente. Mas fique a vontade de perguntar na
lista brasileira acima também.


2011/5/4 Paulo Tavares 

> Hello.
>
> My name is Paulo Tavares and I'm an IT teacher in Portugal. In my school
> http://www.cscm-lx.pt we use OpenOffice for several years and we want to
> start contributing to the LibreOffice documentation.
>
> I notice that no one is managing the PT page under the documentation wiki
> and we want to start managing it and translate the documentation to PT-pt.
>
> I already have a wiki user, can I start managing this section while there's
> no official PT-pt community?
>
> We are starting to colaborate with the CoLibre (LibreOffice Community in
> Brazil) but we need the section PT for regional documents.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> » Paulo Tavares
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco doesn´t work?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Sorry ... no proctetion here (at least none intended)

And by the way ... I CAN access the Espanhol folder ... is it because I am
admin ??

Rogerio


2011/5/2 Juan C. Sanz 

> I can't access "my" (the Español) folder, so I was just exploring and
> trying to understand why I can access some folders and I can't access any
> others.
> If you have any kind of protecction on your folder I'll apreciate you tell
> us how you did that, that is just to see if the spanish ("Español") folder
> has the same protection and I can unblock the folder.
> Juan Carlos
>
> El 02/05/2011 17:58, Rogerio Luz Coelho escribió:
>
>  2011/5/2 Juan C. Sanz
>>
>>  Hi, David.
>>> I'm in the ALFRESCO_ADMINISTRATORS group and can't access, furthermore,
>>> it
>>> is suposed everybody should access the content at least as consumer,
>>> isn't
>>> it?
>>> Juan C. Sanz
>>>
>>>
>>>  Brasilian (i.e pt-br) team is still defining how we want our Alfresco to
>> work, let me twart your curiosity, there is NOTHING in pt-br Alfresco that
>> isn't in the wiki /Documentation/pt-br
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> Rogerio
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco doesn´t work?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/5/2 Juan C. Sanz 

> Hi, David.
> I'm in the ALFRESCO_ADMINISTRATORS group and can't access, furthermore, it
> is suposed everybody should access the content at least as consumer, isn't
> it?
> Juan C. Sanz
>
>
Brasilian (i.e pt-br) team is still defining how we want our Alfresco to
work, let me twart your curiosity, there is NOTHING in pt-br Alfresco that
isn't in the wiki /Documentation/pt-br

;)

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] about alfresco platform

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/4/30 Jean Hollis Weber 

> On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 13:56 +0800, David Nelson wrote:
> > Hi, :-)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 13:54, CaStarCo  wrote:
> > > I was exploring the alfresco repository and I found that I can open the
> > > Spanish directory (but I can open the other directories).
> >
> > Yes, all content is world-browseable (documentation.libreoffice.org).
> >
> > David Nelson
> >
>
> How does this work? The documentation.libreoffice.org site wanted a
> login, so I used my normal alfresco.libreoffice.org login. That worked,
> but then I couldn't figure out how to find the libreoffice docs. You've
> probably explained this before and I've totally forgotten.
>
> --Jean
>
>
Company Name > English

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping David N: Alfresco timeouts

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

no ... of course not ... I am sure Hal liked it too ;)

Oh ... I liked it also :)

Rogerio

2011/4/28 Jean Hollis Weber 

> On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 10:44 +0800, David Nelson wrote:
> > Hi Hal... um... Jean, :-)
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 13:36, Hal Parker 
> wrote:
> > >> Alfresco is timing out too quickly. You had fixed it to have a longer
> period
> > >> before timeout, but it reverted when the site was rebuilt. Can the
> timeout
> > >> be made a useful length, at least 10 hours, again? Would be much
> > >> appreciated!
> >
> > Sessions are now set to time-out after 24 hours.
>
> Thank you! *Much* appreciated, and not just by me, I'm sure.
>
> Jean
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Announcement

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I thought it was a e-mail delivery error ;)

but nice to meet both of you ... I am a licencenced physician here in Brasil
so if you start sending hate mail to each other please give me a call ...
maybe some prescription drug or shock therapy will help you both get along
;)

Rogerio


2011/4/27 Jean Weber 

> On Thursday, April 28, 2011, Jeremy Cartwright 
> wrote:
> >
> > I knew it. You slipped a week or so ago and signed an email from Hal
> > --Jean.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had noticed!
>
> Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide Review

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I stated this before, we in the Brasilian translation team have this wiki
page for the status of the work, see if anyone gets it ...

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br

R.


2011/4/27 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
>
> I am sure i have seen things like that in the mailing list.  I might even
> have
> filed away the relevant emails but can't access my old emails for a few
> days.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Hal Parker 
> To: documentation@libreoffice.org
> Sent: Wed, 27 April, 2011 4:40:46
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide Review
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM, David Nelson  >wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, please, Hal, a summary of the recent work would help us see
> > clearer what needs doing next.
> >
> >
> I was referring to a summary of what needs to be done during rebranding,
> not
> what has been done recently or to date, so new people working on chapters
> that have not yet been rebranded know what to do.
>
> A summary of recent work would be helpful, too, but that's a different
> effort.
>
> I think we need some sort of "task list" (on the wiki?) to indicate what's
> been done, what stage each doc has reached, what needs doing, etc.
> Something
> vaguely like
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/User_Guidesbut
> organised better.
>
> We had a variation on something like that on the wiki, but it was removed
> when the work moved to Alfresco.
>
> Hal
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Documentation Team Leader?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I am not talking about a formal role or official title at this time, and
> I am not interested in "competing" for such a role or title. I am
> interested in helping the group become more productive, specifically
> regarding the user guides.
>
> I'd like to point out that I informally filled the role of "user guide
> team leader" at OpenOffice.org for 5 or 6 years before I had any sort of
> official title. Why should I not do the same here, if others (except for
> you) have said they want me to do so?
>
> IMO a formal title is fairly irrelevant within the project, although it
> can be useful when talking with outsiders who expect hierarchy even when
> there is none. On those occasions in OOo I would call myself "Lead
> Editor", which fairly accurately described my role.
>
> --Jean
>
>
@ ALL:

We of the Brazilian community have just recently "enjoyed" a big fight over
the "who is who" inside the community (culminating with the extinction of
the NGO BrOffice). What I have learned is this:

1) People work in FOSS because of some sort of recognition by their peers
(or by people they think are their peers). This brings out the best and
worst of everybody (ego is a dangerous two sided dagger). So people enjoy
the feeling that *THEY* did something, this is so true that LibO has a
tracking system to show who is the most active in developing patches and in
the Wiki / l10n. And as such people start thinking things as theirs (my
contribution, my translation, my team, my work, my precious ;). But this all
is not ours, we have forfeit our right to call it ours when we registered
with the project and accepted the GNU / CC license.

2) People will try to undermine somebody who tries to take a leading role,
it is instinctive: "someone is trying to be my boss, but wait! ... I got
into this thing so I didn't have to say 'yes sir' anymore". And this is true
and valid, I for one will not tolerate being bossed around even for a
fraction of my free time. But without some sort of accountability, and
without some sort of "master map" we are all going to step on each others
toes (believe me ... we had 3 persons translating the same chapter of the GS
guide ... what a waist of time and resources and what a bummer for the
newcomers).

3) This kind of discussion may seem very tiresome (and I for one agree it is
just that), but organizing the work-flow, and the roles of our member base
is very important ... and must be done FIRST ... even if it takes a few
man-hours away from the actual practical job at hand. I am not putting one
minute of my free time in the documentation effort until I see a work-flow
(I have too little free time to waist on a project I am not convinced that
will be of any value)

4) Voting on the way we think things should get done is THE BEST way for
everybody to get satisfied. We had votes on people who were registered users
of our discussion lists, but voting within the "actual workforce" is best
(get the GS guides and see who did what, those people's votes should be more
important than anyone else's)

5) This thing was supposed to be FUN ... a little useful, but mostly FUN ...
you see, documentation will be for a minority of users, most of them will
work with basic on-hands knowledge of the product. And then there is the
wiki and the users mailing list ...  the companies that will make the
transition to our software will do (at least the majority of them) a
in-house training of some sort.
We start out as being EXPENDABLE, our work is futile and is outdated as soon
as we print it ... but am I with all this, still having FUN? Sure, so I
continue ... when it seems to much like work, I'll get out the same day.

This is not to say that any of you are right or wrong, but we need to get
our speech in the same wave length.
But just to make my point perfectly clear: This discussion is happening
because people think the project is THEIRS (or at leas that they are PART of
it) when the actual situation is that we are DONATING time and work to the
project, we are not the project (and that is a good thing, or the hole
project would stop if we weren't here any more).

So ... are YOU still having FUN ?

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation]

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Please contact the devel list at libreoff...@libreoffice.org

Rogerio

2011/4/21 Simon Dexter 

> Hello,
> I am interested in making contribution to LibreOffice but I'm having hard
> time figuring out how different components of the system are related. Is
> there any kind of diagram for developers helping understand how LibreOffice
> source code is structured?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm working on Calc Guide

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Hal ... I still am not confident to start working on these chapter until a
formal workflow develops, so I am ajust trolling around and waiting to start
translation to pt-br

Rogerio

2011/4/17 Hal Parker 

> Just to keep people informed: I'm continuing to work my way through the
> Calc
> Guide, replacing pix and making minor wording changes to fit LibreOffice.
> I'm up to Chapter 10, although I've been unable to upload my work to the
> Alfresco site (lack of reliable web access on my part). That's actually
> become an advantage, because as I go through the chapters I think of things
> I failed to check or change in earlier chapters, so I go back to do those
> fixes.
>
> Haven't heard from anyone else. Is anyone doing anything on the other
> books?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] uninstall

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

This question should be asked in the user support list:

users+subscr...@libreoffice.org

Thanks

Rogerio

2011/4/6 gerard otten 

> How can I uninstall libreoffice?  I'm using a Mac.  Thanks.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] i want creat arabic Help wiki

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

There is currently NO WAY to edit or translate the HELP WIKI.

This job must be done via Pootle. Sorry.

Rogerio

2011/4/3 ayoub ben mohamed 

> hi all
> i am admin my arabic team on pootle
> how sing-up in help wiki?
> thanks
>
> 2011/4/3, Rogerio Luz Coelho :
> > Not the wiki help pages ... that you will need access to Pootle.
> >
> > https://translations.documentfoundation.org/
> >
> >
> > You could start a Documentation project for your language (for the LiO
> > manuals for instance) and that you can do with a regular account on the
> > wiki.
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> > 2011/4/3 ayoub ben mohamed 
> >
> >> thanks Rogerio and Sophie
> >> but can i get permission to edit in wiki help?
> >>
> >> 2011/4/3, Sophie Gautier :
> >> > Hi Ayoub,
> >> > On 02/04/2011 22:58, ayoub ben mohamed wrote:
> >> >> hi for all
> >> >> i am ayoub admin of arabic website (http://ar.libreoffice.org)
> >> >> i want open arabic wiki help on
> http://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page
> >> >> thanks
> >> >
> >> > The wiki help is currently not open for edition but it's not a problem
> >> > to have it in your language. We still manage the help content through
> >> > the l10n process.
> >> > You can ask Kendy, on the l10n list to upload help files in your
> >> > language to the wiki.
> >> > Note that this is still a staging step for the moment, so if you find
> >> > any issue of the handling of your language files in the wiki, Kendy
> will
> >> > be very happy to have your feedback.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Kind regards
> >> > Sophie
> >> >>
> >> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] i want creat arabic Help wiki

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Not the wiki help pages ... that you will need access to Pootle.

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/


You could start a Documentation project for your language (for the LiO
manuals for instance) and that you can do with a regular account on the
wiki.

Rogerio

2011/4/3 ayoub ben mohamed 

> thanks Rogerio and Sophie
> but can i get permission to edit in wiki help?
>
> 2011/4/3, Sophie Gautier :
> > Hi Ayoub,
> > On 02/04/2011 22:58, ayoub ben mohamed wrote:
> >> hi for all
> >> i am ayoub admin of arabic website (http://ar.libreoffice.org)
> >> i want open arabic wiki help on http://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page
> >> thanks
> >
> > The wiki help is currently not open for edition but it's not a problem
> > to have it in your language. We still manage the help content through
> > the l10n process.
> > You can ask Kendy, on the l10n list to upload help files in your
> > language to the wiki.
> > Note that this is still a staging step for the moment, so if you find
> > any issue of the handling of your language files in the wiki, Kendy will
> > be very happy to have your feedback.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kind regards
> > Sophie
> >>
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] i want creat arabic Help wiki

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Please visit the site below and start making your site :)

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Multilingual_Wiki

welcome to Documentation in a free Open Source project


Rogerio (Brazil)


2011/4/2 ayoub ben mohamed 

> hi for all
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ubuntu Community Documentation

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Don't worry we will come back to this soon.

See you on our Brazilian list

R.

2011/3/1 Helmar 

> Well... I think I'm not the right person to lead this project
> as you may know (and our friends from up there may not) I'm not a computer
> scientist. I'm a Human resources Manager working as a volunteer because I
> believe in a world where the knowledge is free and accessible to
> everybody...
> I can dedicate my time and all my efforts to work on this but I'm afraid I
> don't have the knowhow to do it... If you can guide throught this I can
> try or simply help someone after all that's why I'm here... just to
> offer my help...
>
> Helmar Fernandes
> ===
> Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat user
> www.aquahobby.com
> www.penguim.net/pocosdecaldas
>
>
>
> On 1 March 2011 22:26, Rogerio Luz Coelho  wrote:
>
> > Ok let me explain it again...
> >
> > The Community is reestablishing itself, FOR NOW we will use ODFAuthors as
> > it
> > is the way people already work, but if Helmar shows a VALID and
> OPERATIONAL
> > work flow , I am sure people will migrate.
> >
> > There is already a pt-br folder in Alfresco that I modified, so Helmar,
> be
> > our guest to make a valid workflow, so we (I am rooting for Alfresco too)
> > can present the change to people .
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> >
> > 2011/2/27 David Nelson 
> >
> > > Hi, :-)
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 21:43, Helmar  wrote:
> > > > Hi David according my local friends the US team didn't allow us
> to
> > > take
> > > > our jobs to Alfresco...
> > > > I'm trying to undestand what's going on
> > >
> > > Ah OK, well, it would be interesting to know why if you manage to fine
> > > out... ;-)
> > >
> > > David Nelson
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] mistake in PDF documentation

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Ok my problem with helping now is this:

Where do we stand?

Please see our Brazilian Wiki with the table of our work ... who is doing
what and so forth, maybe it is time we did something similar.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br#Lista_de_tarefas_para_documenta.C3.A7.C3.A3o_em_portugu.C3.AAs


Before I get a big picture of the work done and the work needed I will not
venture in this as I am at risk of doing a job someone else has already
started ...

Rogerio

2011/3/25 Hal Parker 

> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Ali Kamkar  >wrote:
>
> > page 28: should be "Choosing options" instead of "Choosing ptions".
> > a snapshot of the mistake is attached.
> >
> >
> Despite the lack of detail in this bug report, I think I can track down
> this
> error and fix it. I'm fairly sure it's in Ch2 of Getting Started and is
> already on my list of things to fix if someone else doesn't get to it
> first.
> I would like to get back to GS and replace some of the pictures with ones
> I've done for Writer Guide (as well as fixing other errors I've spotted),
> but I'd also like to put together a full book from the Writer Guide
> chapters, and I'd also like to rip through the Calc Guide replacing
> pictures. I suspect that, in reality, I won't be able to do very much of
> any
> of that.
>
> Meanwhile, is anyone else other than Barbara and me doing anything on the
> user guides at the moment? The recreated Alfresco site is ready to use,
> except that the "rules" to promote chapters from one folder to the next
> haven't been recreated, and I haven't had the time to figure out how to do
> it.
>
> I see that Jean has uploaded Chapter 1 of the OOo Draw Guide, so that book
> is complete and ready for rebranding and any updates or corrections needed.
>
> Hal
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

For what its worth:

We of the Brazilian Portuguese Team do the following:

All help BUILT INTO the program has to go through Pootle. HowTos and
documentation OUTSIDE the program are in our Wiki and ODFAuthors site.

I think the word Wiki for Help Content that will be incorporated INTO the
program is a flaw, it should be a web page. But the comment section on those
pages should be opened to discussion from outsiders.

And yes I agree that having someone as a janitor for the pages would
facilitate things.

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Teaching LibreOffice as primary personal productivity tool within universities

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/3/3 Gurley, Gabriel 

> Hi Dr. Stevens,
>
> I am in the process of porting over my OpenOffice.org textbook (A
> Conceptual Guide to OpenOffice.org 3: Second Edition) and related learning
> materials for use with LibreOffice.  These learning materials should be
> ready for release shortly.  If you would like, feel free to drop me a note
> with your contact information at the link below and I will let you know when
> the materials are available.
>
> Best regards,
> Gabriel Gurley
> Educator and Author
> Web: http://www.gabrielgurley.com/
> Contact Link:
> http://www.gabrielgurley.com/information/information/contactme.php
>
>
>
Hey Gabriel,

How about giving the raw text a CC licence and puting it up so we can
translate it ?

Talk to your Publisher about "raw" text rights, without diagramation and
print sets.

Like what is done with [1]

Rogerio


1 - http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco down for domain rollover

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

David there has been some movement on the Brazilian front to test Alfresco
... how can I give some people user status? Only you guys can do it?

Rogerio

2011/2/25 David Nelson 

> Hi, :-)
>
> Alfresco has now been rolled over to libreoffice.org subdomains.
>
> Your usual interface (Alfresco Explorer) is exposing on
> http://alfresco.libreoffice.org
>  in German. Please hit the login link, choose English as your
> interface language and then login as usual. Things will return to
> normal. We will figure out the solution to this little... anomaly...
> in the next few days.
>
> Alfresco Share is exposing on http://documentation.libreoffice.org
> At the moment, you have to login (use your usual credentials), but
> Samphan and I will be reconfiguring this to just show a public
> interface ASAP.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ubuntu Community Documentation

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Ok let me explain it again...

The Community is reestablishing itself, FOR NOW we will use ODFAuthors as it
is the way people already work, but if Helmar shows a VALID and OPERATIONAL
work flow , I am sure people will migrate.

There is already a pt-br folder in Alfresco that I modified, so Helmar, be
our guest to make a valid workflow, so we (I am rooting for Alfresco too)
can present the change to people .

Rogerio


2011/2/27 David Nelson 

> Hi, :-)
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 21:43, Helmar  wrote:
> > Hi David according my local friends the US team didn't allow us to
> take
> > our jobs to Alfresco...
> > I'm trying to undestand what's going on
>
> Ah OK, well, it would be interesting to know why if you manage to fine
> out... ;-)
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] To Helmar:

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Hello Helmar,

If you are the same Helmar that is getting involved in the Translation to
Brazilian Portuguese, this message is for you ;)

We are already translating the documents, please ask for help in the list
bro-tradu...@listas.broffice.org (get registered at
https://listas.broffice.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bro-traducao)

The translations WILL NOT BE STORED in Alfresco for now, we are waiting a
bit, but they will probably be done in ODFAuthors (it is my wish to transfer
them to Alfresco too, but the Community hasn't accepted it yet)

Thanks

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[libreoffice-documentation] Wiki problem: {{Lang}}

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Hello all.

I am having a Wiki problem: I am trying to translate the Wiki_Multilingual
page to pt-br, it all goes fine, but I am not able to change the Title by
using the Template {{Lang|New Tilte}} in the begining of the page.

Any one seen some similar dificulty?

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] My "Install on Linux" baby

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

The Install is aware that the Distros have default LibreOffice, I will try
to post it back into the wiki so to give everybody a shot at it...

What I REALLY need is someone with openSUSE to double check your code, I
have since seen in the wiki a user correcting the openSUSE Uninstallation
commands.

Rogerio


2011/2/21 David Nelson 

> Hi, :-)
>
> Your "Install on Linux baby is still awaiting attention. It needs
> updating a lot since lots of distros are shipping LibO as their
> default office suite...
>
> Posting automatically to the wiki is still not possible. But I'm busy
> working on Alfresco to provide a no-login index of docs and content.
> And the wiki is still the final drop point for all publication-ready
> content.
>
> David Nelson
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[libreoffice-documentation] My "Install on Linux" baby

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

So ...

I was sondering how goes my "Install on Linux" baby, anyone got a chance to
look at it at all?

Can we, with the Chapter Template, post to the Wiki automaticaly or is this
jsut impossible?

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Hello again

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Thanks for the "warm" welcome ;)

We are VERY active in translations, seems the BrOffice.org NGO pissed
everybody out, so we will be talking shortly on how to help out the TDF ...

Rogerio

2011/2/21 David Nelson 

> Hi Rogerio, :-)
>
> Ha! So you're back after all those touching farewells! Just goes to
> show: never say never. :-)
>
> I'm CC'ing this mail to Florian, the Lord of the Lists, who will
> undoubtedly do the necessary, i.e.:
>
> > So I am requesting some help to get access to moderate our mailing list
> > d...@pt-br.libreofice.org which no one seems to know who actually owns
> ou
> > moderates it.
>
> David Nelson
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 09:50, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> > So ...
> >
> > I am back ...
> >
> > The brazilian community in the past weeks has worked and continues to
> work
> > to twart what we consider to be abusive leadership, but that is another
> > matter.
> >
> > What is a big deal is that we are starting to reorganize ourselves and
> seems
> > that it is my role to be Coordinator of the Documentation Project for
> pt-br.
> >
> >
> > Big Wow ... who would guess.
> >
> > So I am requesting some help to get access to moderate our mailing list
> > d...@pt-br.libreofice.org which no one seems to know who actually owns
> ou
> > moderates it.
> >
> > Will be posting some exciting news in our front in the next few days.
> >
> > Rogerio Luz Coelho , MD
> > Documentation Coordinator for LibreOffice (pt-br)
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[libreoffice-documentation] Hello again

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

So ...

I am back ...

The brazilian community in the past weeks has worked and continues to work
to twart what we consider to be abusive leadership, but that is another
matter.

What is a big deal is that we are starting to reorganize ourselves and seems
that it is my role to be Coordinator of the Documentation Project for pt-br.


Big Wow ... who would guess.

So I am requesting some help to get access to moderate our mailing list
d...@pt-br.libreofice.org which no one seems to know who actually owns ou
moderates it.

Will be posting some exciting news in our front in the next few days.

Rogerio Luz Coelho , MD
Documentation Coordinator for LibreOffice (pt-br)

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[libreoffice-documentation] New Installation Instructions for Linux - Chapter Formated

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

So an update,

I have just uploaded to Alfresco the new re-formatted (following the
Chapters template) "Installation Guide for Linux" as an .odt called "
Install-Linux-guide-formatted.odt "

It is in the  en > Various folder.

Needs o be put into the workflow.


On a more personal note:
We are experiencing here in Brasil a crisis of sorts, the NGO BrOffice.org
and the community are not seeing eye to eye.
Until we define the future of our focus, and until we decide where to go
from here, I will be halting my contributions, and leaving this mailing
list.

Wish you all the best, but this is the time for some in-house cleaning up,
so ... hope to see you all soon :)

It has been a privilege to work with all of you.

Rogerio

PS: from now on please send e-mails to my personal account if the need
arises.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Completed Review of 0203WG3-WorkingWithText.odt

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/2/6 Barbara Duprey 

> On 2/5/2011 5:09 PM, David Nelson wrote:
>
>> Hi John, :-)
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 19:36, John M. Dlugosz
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I completed my pass of 0203WG3-WorkingWithText.odt, but I still cannot
>>> Update it!  So please take heed that I have a lot of work on this that is in
>>> limbo, and don't edit the same file.
>>>
>> You should be able to update it now.
>>
>>  I would think that we should all have "Changes" and "Comments" visible
>>> when working on any of this stuff, as a matter of course.
>>>
>> Yes, that would generally be the case.
>>
>> David Nelson
>>
>
> I find that while I'm making changes, having recording on but not showing
> the change tracks makes it a lot easier to see what is actually being done
> -- especially when punctuation is involved.
>
>
Yes that is generally my opinion too ... record but do NOT show changes :)

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] What's Next?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/2/4 David Nelson 

> Hi  Barbara, :-)
>
> My 2 cents is that it would be a great thing to do.
>
> I'm busy getting up to speed with the Alfresco software. I'm working
> on email notifications to this list from the site, and I'll be looking
> to extend the login times, so that you can leave the browser window
> inactive for a much longer time without having to login again...
>
> David Nelson


Hopefully forever?

;)

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Misc. Documentation Notes

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

John ... I guess if you are already doing this, so you could start it the
way you choose, later if we have a need to change it, we could always change
your template.

You already are working with building a template, so just keep on doing
that, and if it ever needs changing we change the template.

How about that?

Rogerio

2011/2/6 John M. Dlugosz 

> * Example, "covered in Chapter 1, Introducing Writer."
> Should the name of another chapter be in italics or something?  Or even
> hyperlinked?  Actually, it should have a character style assigned.
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/2/5 Barbara Duprey 

> On 2/5/2011 9:49 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Sophie!
>>
>> Le 05/02/2011 16:29, Sophie Gautier a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> May be you can work with Alex, he said on the FR list that he is going
>>> to improve the Base documentation once he has finished to translate the
>>> Guide for beginners? However I don't know in which language he will work
>>> :)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I've read Alex' announcement but, as I'm not so sure we are working
>> on the same things, didn't raise my hand (yet). I'm mainly focusing on
>> writing a beginners' guide from scratch and, from what I had understood,
>> Alex's translating an existing document (Mariano Casanova's mid level doc).
>>
>> Just correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> My beginners' guide idea was born from a few in-house requests that no-one
>> could fulfill. As I already stated, I've already a few pages written on this
>> and I'm working on a few more to come (see the outline in a former msg in
>> this thread).
>>
>> Of course, sharing the free software ideas as you may know ;)  I'm willing
>> to cooperate into any collective work in this matter.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>
> I really like your outline, and I'd say your English is *more* than
> adequate to get the points across. I'd be glad to edit for smoothing it out
> if that's needed.
>
>
Exactly the same here ... go for it Jean ... if you are willing do please
try to write it in english, we can give it a uplift if  you can send our way
even a bad translation (because I will put your french version through a
Google-Translate if you don't have the time ... and take it from there)
besides you underestimate your english, it is quite good for tech writing.

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/1/27 Jean-Francois Nifenecker 

>
> Le 27/01/2011 00:37, Andy Brown a écrit :
>
>
>> The Mid Level Base tutorial [1] is a very good "beginners" document as
>> well. It contains three parts, the first two cover what a database is
>> and how to design it. The third covers Base using SQL command to build a
>> database.
>>
>
> I find this to be a *very* good tutorial. A little too deep for a general
> intro but could be an excellent start to make one (by pruning and
> grafting... well, more pruning than grafting).
>
> As of a Base tutorial for beginners, here's the outline I'm thinking of:
>
> Part 1
> -- What a RDBMS is (principles, tables, relations, queries)
> -- How to devise a database
> -- Introduction to Base
> -- Creating a DB with Base
> -- Importing data from Calc and delimited text files
> -- Querying a DB in interactive mode (not so sure about the English wording
> here as I've got the French version installed)
> -- Using a DB for mailmerge
>
> Part 2
> -- Introduction to SQL
> -- Querying a DB using SQL
> -- Useful tools (Sun/Oracle Report Builder, MySQLworkbench)
> -- Reporting with S/ORB
> -- Using Base as a front-end for MySQL (MySQLconnector extension) and
> PostgreSQL (SDBC)
>
> This contents is what I currently intend to stuff into a series of in-house
> training I'm planning. I reckon this outline to be quite progressive and,
> from my experience, seems to be what newcomers want.
>
>
> HTH,
> --
> Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux


Jean I think if you manage to do something like this it would be grand, and
I surely would translate it to Portuguese if you manage a English version :)


Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: translation spaces

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/1/30 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
>
> I think making the language codes "title case" (eg En-Gb) would be a bit
> weird
> as the are almost always written lower-case.  People would automatically
> type
> the codes in lower-case and then not arrive at the correct page.
>
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> I agree, but that is just what David said, right?

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Comments in documents

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/1/30 Barbara Duprey 

> As I've worked on chapters, I've used a number of comments. The first is
> essentially my own checklist of things to do/done, which is also info for
> the reviewer to see if the right bases have been covered, but there are
> others relating to the need to replace figures, or questioning the best way
> to handle something. Would the comments be better handled in an Alfresco
> "Discussion" associated with the Review copy, rather than in the document?
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My view is that if you ALREADY USE the comments in the document leave it
there :) if reviewer changes discussion to Alfresco, we deal with it then
...

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: General question about translation of documentation and organisation within Alfresco

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

My 2cents as a pt-br translator is that we let the subdivisions as they are,
so if we get a team that posts as PT and ANOTHER as PT-BR we let them both
exist in the main tree

something like:

/pt
/pt-br

?

Rogerio


2011/1/30 Tom Davies 

> Looks great :)  All languages clearly being equal.  But surely some
> languages
> have sub-divisions? Such as en-gb, en-aus, en-us and so on?
>
> Also is
> LibreOffice Documentation
> or
> LibreOffice/Documentation
> Although either way is good.
>
> Anyway getting rid of that extra folder in the middle to make all languages
> equal is definitely a good move and i think that was the important part of
> your
> message. :)
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Jeremy Cartwright 
> To: documentation@libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sat, 29 January, 2011 23:30:14
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: General question about
> translation
> of documentation and organisation within Alfresco
>
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:08:28 -0600
> Jeremy Cartwright  wrote:
>
> > Perhaps I'm making too much of it...
>
> Perhaps I am. To avoid being the gatekeeper here, I propose to change
> the current `Company Home/LibreOffice Documentation/catalog/`
> space structure to `Company Home/LibreOffice Documentation/en/`
>
> Then creating:
> Company Home/LibreOffice Documentation/it/
> Company Home/LibreOffice Documentation/fr/
> Company Home/LibreOffice Documentation/de/
> ... and so on as needed.
>
> I will make these changes unless I hear otherwise.
>
> -- jdc
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I second the BASE - TUTORIAL

If the existing documentation is THAT scarse (bad?) the Tutorial is
something a experienced Base user could cover quickly and would be the
starting point of the future GUIDE.

But alas, count me out of this enterprise, I don't even know how to start
the Base program, so ... my opinion should be taken from this rather
(ignorant) perspective.

Of course I could step in if someone needs a a proof reader or/and a mouse
rat for this thing ;)

Rogerio

2011/1/26 Barbara Duprey 

> On 1/26/2011 3:43 PM, Hal Parker wrote:
>
>> I've started a new thread for this, in response to Alex Thurgood's
>> comments
>> on Base docs.
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updated wiki Install Libreoffice page

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Seems ok thx

R.

2011/1/26 David Nelson 

> Hi Rogerio, :-)
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:02, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> > Seems fixed, can anyone confirm I no longer have admin rights?
>
> OK, I've removed you from the admins group. Could you check and see if
> you're still able to perform the necessary tasks?
>
> TIA if so. ;-)
>
> David Nelson
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Incorrect Terminology for Installing on a Mac

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

So do you want me to give a polished version for the Linux install
instructions?

I could transform the wiki page into a formatted .odt for starters ...

Rogerio

2011/1/26 David Nelson 

> Hi Alex, :-)
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 23:27, Alexander Thurgood
>  wrote:
> > Driver Connectivity and setup are often problematic for many people, so
> > I could look into that. I have written documents in the past with regard
> > to that topic in the past, and I could no doubt do the same here. My
> > only concern at the moment is the depth (as in sub-page levels) one can
> > go to without the presentation being screwed up. My understanding is
> > that we have to stick to a maximum of three levels, and anything deeper
> > is problematic ?
>
> Please do go for it. Coverage of Base is a major lack right now, and
> someone posted on Discuss about that already today.
>
> Best to avoid going further than 3 pages deep right now, or else to
> explore solutions via lateral thinking, but if you figure out content,
> we can work on how to integrate it into the site.
>
> But the current theme would need attention from Design if we start
> going too deep in levels.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updated wiki Install Libreoffice page

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Seems fixed, can anyone confirm I no longer have admin rights?

Rogerio


2011/1/25 David Nelson 

> Hi Rogerio, :-)
>
> Fixed you up by adding you to admin group...
>
> @Jeremy: you might need to remove him again to test that his perms are
> working *without* admin status? I'll leave you to do that... Frantic
> rush with website content Back very soon now
>
> David Nelson
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:50, David Nelson 
> wrote:
> > Hi, :-)
> >
> > Gimme 2 minutes, I'll fix you up
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:48, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> >> Ok can't seem able to upload anything to the LibreOffice Documentation >
> >> Varios folders ... is it a permission problem or am I missing something?
> >>
> >> Rogerio
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updated wiki Install Libreoffice page

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Ok can't seem able to upload anything to the LibreOffice Documentation >
Varios folders ... is it a permission problem or am I missing something?

Rogerio


2011/1/25 David Nelson 

> Hi, :-)
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:10, Rogerio Luz Coelho 
> wrote:
> > Did another update to the wiki install for Linuxes.
> >
> > Just added the help-pack to the general instructions, just below the
> > download site ...
> >
> > Rogerio
> >
> > PS: These next few days will migrate this to Alfresco for convenience ...
> > and to test the darn thing with a live baby ... let's see how you gringos
> > handle changing THIS diaper :)
>
> Sure, we'll maintain it, no problem, and test it, you'll see. ;-)
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Updated wiki Install Libreoffice page

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

Did another update to the wiki install for Linuxes.

Just added the help-pack to the general instructions, just below the
download site ...

Rogerio

PS: These next few days will migrate this to Alfresco for convenience ...
and to test the darn thing with a live baby ... let's see how you gringos
handle changing THIS diaper :)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Managing Alfresco Files

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

> I'm not stressing about it, just somewhat embarrassed! Now I'm hesitant to
> check out another chapter, because I'm not sure when I got off track before.
> Ah, well
>
>
Go for it Barbara !!!

We all apreciate the effort :)

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Managing Alfresco Files

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/1/24 Barbara Duprey 

> On 1/24/2011 10:51 AM, Jeremy Cartwright wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:51:02 +0100
>> Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Karl-Heinz,
>>>
>>> 2011/1/24 Karl-Heinz Gödderz
>>>
>>>  Hi @all,

 Barbara Duprey schrieb:

> There's some documentation of the intended workflow happening,
> right?
>
>  would someone be so kind and send a link where to find this?

  This documentation does not exist yet. Someone (Jeremy?) is writing
>>> this document right now.
>>>
>>> Sigrid
>>>
>>>  Working now! If not today, then by tomorrow the first draft should be
>> ready for review. :D
>>
>>
>> -- jdc
>>
>
>
>
> Boy, do I ever need this! I finished updating Chapter 14, went into the
> Review content, and chose Add Content. The upload appeared to succeed, but
> the chapter did not appear in the folder (after a Reload). I went back to
> the Working level and saw two versions under Drafts, one saying {working
> copy). What I think happened next is I selected the (working copy) and said
> Done editing. The Drafts list then didn't show that copy any more, so I
> selected the active copy on the Drafts list and selected Submit for review.
> Now the original version of the chapter is apparently what is in the Review
> folder, and I can't seem to get my version in there at all. I can't upload
> because of the duplicate name, and I don't dare "delete all previous
> versions"!


Take it easy Barb ... we are all learning this stuff ... we'll get the hang
of it ...

;)

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Box/Field

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

2011/1/22 Hal Parker 

> Hal = she. ;-)
>
>
And David corrected someone on this a few days ago ... he must be stressed
out ... or its just Alzheimer, then we shouldn´t worry, next thing he will
call us mom and dad ;)

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco: site domain name news

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

If we could contact Olivier Hallot at the SC - BrOffice subsector - and ask
him if he wants to try migrating the Documentation Pt-Br workflow to
Alfresco, we may get more support for your efforts, please try to contact
him directly ...

Rogerio

2011/1/22 David Nelson 

> Hi, :-)
>
> The SC decided to give me a remit to operate the Alfresco site on my
> server as part of LibreOffice's infrastructure (SC confcall of Jan
> 21). Therefore the site will soon be running under a libreoffice.org
> sub-domain (probably alfresco.libreoffice.org) as opposed to the
> current documentation.traduction.biz name.
>
> Nobody needs to do anything, it will all happen transparently
> (probably over the next week or so), and documentation.traduction.biz
> will automatically forward to the new domain.
>
> So please do feel encouraged to carry on working on the Alfresco site,
> and to start new projects there.
>
> Notably, it would be great if Jeremy and Samphan can carry on with
> developing the docs workflow there.
>
> A couple of people from l10n have already been showing interest in
> Alfresco, and there will probably soon be the opportunity to develop
> special workflows for localization tasks, for any l10n people
> interested in using Alfresco. Hopefully, Sophie Gauthier will get
> involved in this, too.
>
> Me, my free time is still taken up with the libreoffice.org website
> for the next few days. After that, I'll be pulling back a lot from the
> website, and will be focussing on the LibreOffice documentation
> project and developing the Alfresco site.
>
> David Nelson
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Open Communication in OpenSource?

[Rogerio Luz Coelho]

I agree, for future reference, a mailing list is the best choice (even more
because it is the way people are used to search for old messages). I believe
even for our needs it is better since ideas can be thrown around without the
need for people to get access to Alfresco per se.

Rogerio


2011/1/21 Andreas Mantke 

> Hi all,
>
> I was told that one of the advantages of Alfressco for the work on
> documentation for
> LibreOffice is the "in house" discussion / comment feature.
> The feature was described with this words:
> "built-in discussion system that lets you anchor a discussion on a
> particular
> content object"
> I wonder if this means that the discussion about writing, reviewing etc. of
> documentation about LibreOffice will be done offlist inside the Alfressco
> CMS (not
> visible for the whole community and the public).
>
> In my opinion the discussion about and the comments on LibreOffice
> documentation
> should run on a mailinglist, because we are an OpenSource project with an
> open
> communication style.
>
> Regards,
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