[Elecraft] Elecraft sales -- commissions!
Eric You've convinced me! When is the stock offering - so I can buy some Elecraft Shares? [I've been selling Elecraft radios for free and I'd like to cash in, to get paid for it. Owning the stock would do the trick. Please? ] Eric Manning VA7DZ Eric Swartz said: We are well past working from our basements.:-) A few data points: 1. Since shipping our first K2 from Aptos in January of 1999, Elecraft has grown into a healthy multi-million dollar high-tech company with a broad product line. We have -zero- debt, own all of our inventory, and have a healthy, and very stable, balance sheet. We build our products here in California, just outside of Silicon Valley. We are structured to be here for a long time, and certainly longer than most hams keep a particular rig. We want Elecraft to outlast both of us. 3. How did we do that? Elecraft designs great, high value, products that are fun to use. And our products, like the K3, continue to improve and get new features even -after- you buy them. We run a stable and tight financial ship - carefully trading off an internally financed growth rate versus risk and cash needs. We work hard. We hire great people who continually amaze us with their intelligence, creativity and work ethic. Our customer support team is one of the best. And we enjoy our work. 4. We also carefully listen to, and interact with, our customers daily. We are focused on being the most responsive, and fun, ham radio company to buy from - period. 5. Wayne and I are both healthy guys - a very long way from retirement. We are having a great time bulding and running Elecraft, and plan to do so for some time. But we are not the only people who continue to make Elecraft successful. 6. Our well staffed engineering design team is diverse and strong. I'd wager that it is as large as, or larger, than many HF rig design teams at our competitors. We are well past two guys doing all of the design in our basement labs. Our engineering, support, manufacturing and management people are top notch, with a lot of depth. We have a great team and plan to keep building it for the long haul. 7. We haven't been a 'QRP Only Company' for some time. Yes, in 1999 we first targeted at the QRP market since it was tightly focused, easily marketed to, and was our fastest path to a first product. Its still a great market, too. But we always planned to also offer 100W high-performance rigs, both kit and factory assembled, to compete against the best HF rigs from other QRO manufacturers. That's the major part of the market. I think you can agree we have more than succeeded in that area with the K2 and now the K3. The majority of our rigs go out the door at 100W. We are continually designing a diverse product line, ranging from QRP to QRO. The KPA500, now going into field test, is definitely -not- QRP;-) But stay tuned for more QRP offerings too! 9. Most important, we have incredibly enthusiastic and supportive customers. You make it fun for us! By telling your friends about Elecraft, the K3, and our other products, you keep us in business every day. You are our best salespeople. The more you enthusiastically tell your friends about our products, in person and on the air, the more new products we can design and sell. In today's economic environment, more than ever, this is incredibly important to us. Please - keep up the great work. We really appreciate it! 73, Eric WA6HHQ www.elecraft.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Kok Chen provides some good references for CW transmit shaping, but cocoaModem source isn't available for hams to look at. fldigi also offers a choice between raised cosine and Blackman window for CW TX, and the source is in the fldigi distribution at src/cw_rtty/cw.cxx available from http://w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html If you want to experiment with your own shaping code, you can compile fldigi for Windows, Mac, or Linux. I believe the shaping code is by Dave W1HKJ as it wasn't present in earlier programs. Leigh/WA5ZNU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Fwd-New-Sherwood-report-tp5793377p5794970.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3 with Yaesu FT-2000 and K3
Hi to the group, You can use the FT-2000 with the P3 in fitting inside the IF-2000 board from RF Space, and configure the P3 on the IF out frequency of this board. Georges __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
I agree with Al -- the Sherwood Engineering tables are mostly lost to me. I understand that the K3 is a very good radio compared to others as pointed out by this information but I couldn't tell you if that information was useful to me. For example, way down on the list is the Icom 756 Pro III but I happen to like my Pro III and only a few times have I noticed differences with the K3 in that the K3 is definitely superior. The big thing that convinced me in the K3 is Wayne and Eric and this list. The fact that there are dozens, hundreds, of very technical and knowledgable hams on this list who all agree that the K3 is a good radio and are willing to help others, such as myself, learn just a little bit more of this stuff. But, I am learning...I too will someday know why I am setting particular controls one way or another on the K3. It is now my everyday radio and it works great -- my P3 works great too and in a few days my KX1 will work great when I finish it up. 73, phil, K7PEH On Dec 1, 2010, at 9:38 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Tables like this one mean almost nothing to me. Dynamic range is so good > across > the board that it's now overrated. When you're talking about differences of a > few dB other details start to matter much more. For instance, the chief > factor > that pushed me off the fence toward a K3 was it's diversity reception scheme; > you don't see that listed anywhere in the table. > > What about how the radio *sounds*? Where in the table is that? How about it's > macro and programming capability? Is that in the table? Or its effect on your > psyche after 24 hours of a contest? These things are much harder to measure. > > (Another pet peeve is the dozens of videos on YouTube with two radios set up > side by side as the camera operator switches the antenna between them, while > the > built-in mic on the camera picks up all of the room noise. What in the world > are > these videos supposed to prove?) > > To paraphrase what Wynton Marsalis said about technique-- that all it does is > get you "in the door"-- about all these numbers prove is that a particular > rig > is worthy of closer scrutiny. By no means is it a stamp of approval. This > goes > for the K3 as well as any other rig. > > Al W6LX > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Tables like this one mean almost nothing to me. Dynamic range is so good across the board that it's now overrated. When you're talking about differences of a few dB other details start to matter much more. For instance, the chief factor that pushed me off the fence toward a K3 was it's diversity reception scheme; you don't see that listed anywhere in the table. What about how the radio *sounds*? Where in the table is that? How about it's macro and programming capability? Is that in the table? Or its effect on your psyche after 24 hours of a contest? These things are much harder to measure. (Another pet peeve is the dozens of videos on YouTube with two radios set up side by side as the camera operator switches the antenna between them, while the built-in mic on the camera picks up all of the room noise. What in the world are these videos supposed to prove?) To paraphrase what Wynton Marsalis said about technique-- that all it does is get you "in the door"-- about all these numbers prove is that a particular rig is worthy of closer scrutiny. By no means is it a stamp of approval. This goes for the K3 as well as any other rig. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 with Yaesu FT-2000 and K3
RF Space offers the IF-2000 interface, which installs in an FT-2000 and converts the 65.45 MHz IF to a 10.55 MHz output, suitable for a panadapter: http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/IF-2000.html I haven't tried it, but it should work fine with the P3. As far as using the same P3 with both a K3 and an FT-2000, that would work if you swap the IF IN coax or use an RF switch to switch between the two transceivers. The P3 doesn't talk to the FT-2000 over RS-232, so there's no need to switch that cable. If you leave the cable connected to the K3 and leave the K3 turned on, it will look a little strange when switched to the Yaesu since the P3 display will still be reading out the K3 frequency but showing the signals from the FT-2000. In addition to switching the IF cable you also have to switch the P3 IF frequency to 10.55 via MENU:Xcvr Sel. Alan N1AL On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 22:44 -0600, Jeff wrote: > Oops, it was very graciously brought to my attention that the FT-2000 does > not have an IF out > but rather has a proprietary interface for the DMU-2000 so I guess that idea > is out the window. > > Thanks, > > Jeff, N0OST > > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:58 PM > To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with Yaesu FT-2000 and K3 > > This may have been covered but I didn't find anything in a search. > > I don't have a P3 yet but was curious if it possible to use the P3 with the > K3 and FT-2000 and somehow be able to switch between the two radios > > without having to switch cables? Maybe using some sort of a switch box. > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff N0OST > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
> The rise time by itself is not the important factor -- what is much more > important are first and second order discontinuities, and even higher > order discontinuities. Evidence of this comes from our K3s. Some time back around F/W version 3.0, the CW rise/fall time was accelerated. My K3 reaches full envelope power in just 2 ms and yet it produces very little bandwidth due to: (1) the DSP shape function; and (2) very well controlled ALC. The best DSP based functions (e.g., raised cosine or Blackman-Harris), can be completely destroyed by aggressive ALC action. One of the best waveform controlled CW transmitters is the Ten Tec Omni VI. One of the worst controlled CW transmitters is the Omni VI+. What happened? In the upgrade process, the ALC time constants changed to the point where a sharp, discontinuous waveform edge was produced. All the DSP shaping one could try would not have helped. The ALC circuit took control of the waveform and generated, among other anomalies, severe key clicks from the abruptly fast leading edge of the CW waveform. Regarding the FTdx-5000, my first suspicion is the ALC system as the culprit and not the DSP generated waveform. When the ARRL tested the IC-7800, it showed an aggressively fast rise time. However, the '7800 has a user adjustable "Drive" control. With only slight ALC action, the '7800 produces an excellent waveform and little keying bandwidth. If the FTdx-5000 has a Drive control active in CW mode, it may be possible to reign-in bandwidth. Paul, W9AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Barry N1EU wrote: > It's absolutely amazing, after years of Yaesu being called out and doing > nothing about key clicks in their rigs, that they would bring out a radio > (FT-5000) and provide the user the ability to reduce the cw rise-time to 1 > msec (menu mode, cw group, 063 A1A Shape). Just incredible. The rise time by itself is not the important factor -- what is much more important are first and second order discontinuities, and even higher order discontinuities. If you were to generate a keyed signal that turns on with a constant slope (thus has a large second order discontinuity), you are going to generate very wide keying sidebands even if that "risetime" lasts for 10 msec. For a modern view at CW keying, take a look at Alex VE3NEA's article in the May/June 2006 issue of QEX that is titled "CW Shaping in DSP Software." Alex is of course the author of the CW Skimmer, among other things. This is not just theoretical stuff. cocoaModem on Mac OS X is one program that generates a CW signal using the J2A Emission mode by using a Blackman window whose keying sidebands you can see in Figure 5 here http://homepage.mac.com/chen/w7ay/cocoaModem/UsersManual/cwManual/index.html#filter A Blackman window is initially wider than say, a Hamming window (and certainly much wider than an unshaped pulse), but then it plunges down towards -100 dB with a very steep fall off. There is nothing like it in the analog world :-). In his article, Alex had compared the Blackman-Harris window with Gaussian, raised Cosine, and other windows. Wikipedia has a very nice page on filter windows (many people use the windowed method to design FIR filters) here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_function and this plot from Wiki is especially useful if you want to homebrew your own "CW shaper": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Window_function_(comparsion).png Notice the asymptotic slopes of the curves towards the right of that plot. The steeper it is, the less you will QRM stations that are far away. The shape towards the left tells you how much close-in bandwidth you are using. For example, the unshaped pulse (black line) has the narrowest close-in bandwidth, but it is also the worst when it comes to far away bandwidth. At 100 times the normalized bandwidth of the filter, pulses that are waveshaped by the Blackman and Blackman-Harris windows are a whopping 80 dB quieter than un-waveshaped pulses. You can think of the normalized bandwidth as what is needed to pass the fundamental N-words-per-minute keying sequence without sounding too soft. For what its worth, cocoaModem lets you dial in an equivalent risetime of 2 msec all the way to 10 msec (for QRS slowpokes like myself who want to cause even less QRM). You need a reasonably good transmit IMD to take the most advantage of good waveshaping. All said and done, it is not the DSP part that is the limiting factor of what you can do with waveshaping CW pulses today, but the transmit IMD. 73 Chen, W7AY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 with Yaesu FT-2000 and K3
Oops, it was very graciously brought to my attention that the FT-2000 does not have an IF out but rather has a proprietary interface for the DMU-2000 so I guess that idea is out the window. Thanks, Jeff, N0OST -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:58 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with Yaesu FT-2000 and K3 This may have been covered but I didn't find anything in a search. I don't have a P3 yet but was curious if it possible to use the P3 with the K3 and FT-2000 and somehow be able to switch between the two radios without having to switch cables? Maybe using some sort of a switch box. Thanks, Jeff N0OST __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Not sure how I missed that. I just did a side by side comparison of the ARRL CW spectral plots for both the K3 and the FTdx-5000, and there is certainly a difference. 30db down from the peak appears to be +/- 350 Hz for the FTdx-5000, and about +/- 125 Hz for the K3 as best I could determine from expanded views of the plots. 60 db down (still probably about S2 for a S9+20 signal) appears to be about +/- 1.35 Khz for the FTdx-5000 and about +/- 350 Hz for the K3. Here's a thought ... if everyone owned a Yaesu the company wouldn't have to worry about designing receivers with close-in BDR because nobody could operate that close to each other anyway. Dave AB7E On 12/1/2010 6:43 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > They already have - See the keying bandwidth spectral plots in the > ARRL reviews. The FT-5000 is considerably wider than the K3. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > --- > > On 12/1/2010 3:37 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> A good start would be for someone ... hello ARRL? ... to document key >> clicks. A lot of good it does for me to have a rig with excellent 2 KHz >> BDR only to have everything ruined by key clicks from some Yaesu rig >> that neither the manufacturer nor the operator will fix. >> >> Dave AB7E > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Hmm. I'm not seeing that in the data. Could you please point me to where you are looking? 73, Byron N6NUL On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:27 PM, juergen wrote: > > The Ft5000 has better PA than the K3. Its IMD performance is way superior to > the K3 especially on the higher bands and 6 meters. It smacks of double > standards harping on about Yaesu Keyclicks and ignoring SSB transmitter IMD > especially on the K3 when it is so marginal. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Reï¼? Diversity Receive as Nois e C anceling?
Granted this thread is moribund at this point, but... With Bill's nice summary of existing products, it got me to thinking about this again after comparing the MFJ and Timewave products a few years back. I believe the DXE product is new since my last survey of the field. I'm primarily a 6-meter weak-signal operator, and neither the DXE not the MFJ product is characterized for operation above 30 MHz. The ANC is, last time I checked. (Their website is down right now so can't re-check.) I've studied enough about the designs of the MFJ and ANC to understand why the ANC is at the bottom of Bill's list. I think. It has to do with phasing range, mostly, in which both the MFJ and ANC products are deficient, but the ANC more so. There may be other faults in the ANC design as well; I believe the MFJ's ability, not present in the ANC, to phase to an "add" (0 degrees) condition and then invert has been mentioned. If the phasing need in your particular situation happens to be within the range that the ANC can match, you're probably going to think it's great. But that's a crap-shoot. My question from several years ago is still the same now, with the addition of the DXE product to the mix: Why are the MFJ (and now DXE) products characterized only through 30 MHz? Would they really not work acceptably at 50 MHz, or are we talking about a small amount of degradation in performance that might be seen as an acceptable trade-off? Or do they just flat-out not work on 6 meters? What would be necessary in the way of design mods to get the DXE product, for example, to perform at 50 MHz? Has anybody ever looked into this? Bill W5WVO -Original Message- From: Bill W4ZV Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 15:08 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reï¼ Diversity Receive as Noise C anceling? Edward R. Cole wrote: > > I'm not sure that adapting the sw for noise > cancellation will take that much extra > processing. Reversing phase is a simple digital > inversion. > It's also very simple to do at RF with one of the external phase boxes. I've used all 3 of these and rate them in the following order: 1. DXE NCC-1 (the best but expensive) 2. MFJ-1025 (very good with W8JI's mods below) 3. Timewave ANC-4 References: http://www.dxengineering.com/Parts.asp?ID=1227&PLID=215&SecID=114&DeptID=12&PartNo=DXE-NCC-1 http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1025 http://www.w8ji.com/mfj-1025_1026.htm http://www.timewave.com/support/ANC-4/anc4.html I personally wouldn't give up diversity for noise canceling, but I don't live on a city lot. I'd use an external phase box with noise sense antenna aimed at the noise source combined with an RX antenna via a phasing box into RX ANT and a second RX antenna into AUX RF for diversity. Using DSP to do what a $180 box does reasonably well seems like overkill. This reminds me of the Flex Radio guru who proposed a 4 RX/TX solution to what an external 4SQ phase box does for $350...plus you need only one feedline to the controller instead of 4 to the shack, one 1.5 kW amp instead of 4 each $375 amps, and much less complexity. "A technical solution looking for an application" comes to mind. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Diversity-Receive-as-Noise-Canceling-tp5782138p5788410.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
The reason that key clicks bother me so much more than poor TX IMD on SSB is that in a SSB contest so many people have such abysmally crummy audio due to excessive mic gain and compression anyway. TX IMD 25 or 30 db down from the main signal doesn't hold a candle to splatter only 5 or 10 db down. On CW, it takes a pretty damn poor TX to create off-frequency trash in the absence of key clicks. That's why ... Dave AB7E On 12/1/2010 7:27 PM, juergen wrote: > Hi Ken > > The Ft5000 has better PA than the K3. Its IMD performance is way superior to > the K3 especially on the higher bands and 6 meters. It smacks of double > standards harping on about Yaesu Keyclicks and ignoring SSB transmitter IMD > especially on the K3 when it is so marginal. > > Unnecessary wide transmission on any mode is bad for all of us. > The key click issue and SSB IMD issue has same bad effect. > Its wise not to throw stones in glass houses. > > I wish Elecraft would release a better PA using fets for the K3. > > The Yaesu FT5000 certainly has a better PA than the K3. > > The Ft5000 has superb transmitter IMD, far superior to the K3's transmitter. > > I find it interesting that so many observers harp endlessly about the Yaesu > Keyclick problems and totally ignore the issue of the K3's poor SSB IMD. > > The Yaesu Ft5000 has the edge in this department. > > 73 > John > --- On Wed, 12/1/10, K9ZTV wrote: > >> From: K9ZTV >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report >> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" >> Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 2:26 PM >> I agree. >> >> Where is the edging out? >> >> Sherwood sorts on Dynamic Range-Narrow Spaced, and both >> rigs are 101db >> at 2 Kcs. >> >> I'm confused by Bob's statement that it "edges out" the >> K3. >> >> If you take the other parameters into consideration, the K3 >> should be >> listed first and the 5000 listed second. >> >> 73, >> >> Kent K9ZTV >> >> >> On 12/1/2010 3:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Pretty close to a dead heat between the K3 and the >> FT5000, except for blocking dynamic range (K3 is better by >> 13 dB) and filter ultimate attenuation (K3 is better by 15 >> dB). >>> Not bad for a 9-pound rig that starts at $1400. >>> >>> That said, I will now disqualify myself from the rest >> of this thread :) >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> Ed wrote: >>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html >> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - >> Release Date: 12/01/10 >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] New Sherwood Report
Wayne said it very succinctly. However, most folks seem to overlook the fact that the K3 is a modestly priced radio (comparatively), and it is bucking some very high dollar radios. Look folks, you can spend a lot more money, and maybe, just maybe, you can get something special out of those extra dollars. The K3 is NOT the most EXOTIC radio out there. It's up to you to define just what "exotic" means. For crying out loud! Quit trying to compare the K3 to $5K or $10K radios, at least by emphasizing what you don't get with the K3. Obviously those radios have at least some features that the K3 doesn't! Get over it! If you think you hear stations better with one of those high end radios, good for you! I doubt it, but that's your personal opinion, and I don't criticize you for thinking you do. I doubt it, but I don't criticize you! To be honest with you, I can hear almost everything on my $1K radios that I hear with my $2K K3. Not everything though! The K3 is a real breakout from the norm, and just about everything above it lacks something essential as far as really dealing with QRM, QRN, etc. Sometimes it requires a very unique situation on the band, but the features on the K3 are significant and real. Let me put it another way--one that isn't based on my personal preferences! If the Ducie expedition, and now the Kermadec expedition, felt there was something better to use, I think they would have figured out a way to go that route! What they were looking for may not be what you were looking for, but it speaks volumes about the competence of the K3. If you want more glitz, and big "gee whiz" features, by all means spend the extra $3k to$10K to get them. My guess is, though, that you won't work a single station with those high end rigs that you couldn't work just as easily with the K3. So, please quit trying to compare apples and oranges, at least dollar wise, unless you find some really significant defect in what the K3 does. So far, it's all been about nonsensacle comparisons, which are strictly related to dollars rather than performance. If I had spent $5K or $10K on a radio, I'd be embarrassed to come on this reflector and tout my radio unless I had something significant to crow about except the glitz factor. Good grief! I hope you got something for all those extra bucks! Dave W7AQK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction
I have been using the SGC ADSP2 Speaker with my home and portable operation. I find the NR action (13 or 26 db) more pleasing to my ear over what my K2/K3 offers. That's my take on the subject. YMMV 3's BillHarris/w7kxb > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 21:58:19 -0500 > From: gold...@charter.net > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > > I use BHI products in my mobile installation and would not be with out > it. I do wish the receive audio was better on the K3 and maybe I need > to use a BHI product in my new shack. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction
I use BHI products in my mobile installation and would not be with out it. I do wish the receive audio was better on the K3 and maybe I need to use a BHI product in my new shack. On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:11 PM, James Sarte (K2QI) wrote: > Hi Guy, > > I'd have to agree with you there. I think the algorithm used by the > BHI > device sounds much better than the BRIL offering. > > 73, > James K2QI > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > >> Well, I listened to the demo's and to MY ears, it seemed ineffective, >> removing the voice entirely at some points. The "cleaned" output was >> harsh and very treble, and seemed little more than a high pass >> filter. >> IMHO, this one is clearly inferior to the K3. If it was one of the >> choices, it would be complained about a lot, though as completely >> subjective as people are on this topic, some would probably like it. >> >> 73, Guy. >> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:59 PM, JAMES ROGERS >> wrote: >>> Personally I am quite happy with the solutions offered with the K3. >>> I >>> had no problem finding the "sweet spot" for my noise environment. >>> But >>> for those that wish more, take a look at this site. For a licensing >>> fee you can have BRIL ... >>> >>> "BRIL is a new proprietary algorithm has been recently developed for >>> adaptively estimating and removing background noise from speech >>> signals. Unlike noise reduction and speech enhancement algorithms >>> currently available on the market, the new algorithm is capable of >>> cleaning noisy speech even in severe noisy environments without any >>> distortion to the speech signal. The algorithm has been successfully >>> used in many communication systems with high level of noise. BRIL is >>> suitable for many applications such as car kits, mobile telephony, >>> conferencing, speech recognition, Internet phones, etc." >>> >>> They offer a demo where it seems you can play with setting various >>> parameters. >>> >>> http://www.dspalgorithms.com/products/nr.html >>> >>> >>> JIM ROGERS >>> w4...@bellsouth.net >>> http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > -- > 73 de James K2QI > President UNARC/4U1UN > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3 with Yaesu FT-2000 and K3
This may have been covered but I didn't find anything in a search. I don't have a P3 yet but was curious if it possible to use the P3 with the K3 and FT-2000 and somehow be able to switch between the two radios without having to switch cables? Maybe using some sort of a switch box. Thanks, Jeff N0OST __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Hi Ken The Ft5000 has better PA than the K3. Its IMD performance is way superior to the K3 especially on the higher bands and 6 meters. It smacks of double standards harping on about Yaesu Keyclicks and ignoring SSB transmitter IMD especially on the K3 when it is so marginal. Unnecessary wide transmission on any mode is bad for all of us. The key click issue and SSB IMD issue has same bad effect. Its wise not to throw stones in glass houses. I wish Elecraft would release a better PA using fets for the K3. The Yaesu FT5000 certainly has a better PA than the K3. The Ft5000 has superb transmitter IMD, far superior to the K3's transmitter. I find it interesting that so many observers harp endlessly about the Yaesu Keyclick problems and totally ignore the issue of the K3's poor SSB IMD. The Yaesu Ft5000 has the edge in this department. 73 John --- On Wed, 12/1/10, K9ZTV wrote: > From: K9ZTV > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report > To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" > Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 2:26 PM > I agree. > > Where is the edging out? > > Sherwood sorts on Dynamic Range-Narrow Spaced, and both > rigs are 101db > at 2 Kcs. > > I'm confused by Bob's statement that it "edges out" the > K3. > > If you take the other parameters into consideration, the K3 > should be > listed first and the 5000 listed second. > > 73, > > Kent K9ZTV > > > On 12/1/2010 3:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Pretty close to a dead heat between the K3 and the > FT5000, except for blocking dynamic range (K3 is better by > 13 dB) and filter ultimate attenuation (K3 is better by 15 > dB). > > > > Not bad for a 9-pound rig that starts at $1400. > > > > That said, I will now disqualify myself from the rest > of this thread :) > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > Ed wrote: > > > >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - > Release Date: 12/01/10 > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Only if someone thinks that annoying everyone around them is the route to success... 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS > Wouldn't having bad key clicks be an advantage in a contest? > > Steve N4LQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Vic K2VCO wrote: > > ARRL does include an oscillograph of a 60 wpm dit as well as a graph of > the composite > noise spectrum of the transmitted CW signal. > Yeah, but at what rig settings? It's absolutely amazing, after years of Yaesu being called out and doing nothing about key clicks in their rigs, that they would bring out a radio (FT-5000) and provide the user the ability to reduce the cw rise-time to 1 msec (menu mode, cw group, 063 A1A Shape). Just incredible. And they also recommend that users reduce the rise-time from the default 4 msec to improve qsk performance. Why is this even legal? 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Fwd-New-Sherwood-report-tp5793377p5794518.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Wouldn't having bad key clicks be an advantage in a contest? Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" To: "David Gilbert" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report > They already have - See the keying bandwidth spectral plots in the ARRL > reviews. The FT-5000 is considerably wider than the K3. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > --- > > On 12/1/2010 3:37 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> A good start would be for someone ... hello ARRL? ... to document key >> clicks. A lot of good it does for me to have a rig with excellent 2 KHz >> BDR only to have everything ruined by key clicks from some Yaesu rig >> that neither the manufacturer nor the operator will fix. >> >> Dave AB7E > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
They already have - See the keying bandwidth spectral plots in the ARRL reviews. The FT-5000 is considerably wider than the K3. 73, Eric WA6HHQ --- On 12/1/2010 3:37 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > A good start would be for someone ... hello ARRL? ... to document key > clicks. A lot of good it does for me to have a rig with excellent 2 KHz > BDR only to have everything ruined by key clicks from some Yaesu rig > that neither the manufacturer nor the operator will fix. > > Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Acom is one of the linear amp. Sent from my iPhone 4 Gary Gregory 於 2010年12月2日 上午9:08 寫道： > Actually there are 8 K3's on Kermadec...so they told us. > > Even have one set up as a 6M beacon. > > Forgot to ask what amps they were using...oh well..:-) > > 73's > Gary > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > >> Yup, >> I just worked ZL8X on 30 meters a while ago. My IC-7000 (soon to be >> replaced by a K3/P3 combo) could barely hear them off my Butternut HF2V >> vertical, but once I got the split set to where they were listening, grabbed >> 'em first call. I know they have some K3's there and I'd almost bet dollars >> to donuts that the op on the Kermadec end was running one. I'd also bet >> that if I had a K3 in place of that little IC-7000, I wouldn't have had any >> trouble hearing them at all. >> >> Jim - W0EB >> >>> Isn't it amazing the subjects that come up when someone's favorite >>> non-Elecraft radio company is getting it's butt kicked in the >>> contest wars. That "more K3 than anything else combined" at the >>> WRTC really rankled some nerves. I don't think I have ever heard >>> "will the company still be here in 10 years" used before in a >>> discussion about what radio to buy. They are really getting >>> desperate. >>> >>> 73, Guy. >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > -- > Gary > VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile > http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ > K3 #679, P3 #546 > For everything else there's Mastercard!!! > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Hi Ron, Correct , in the case of Icom, marine gears and commercial radios are far more profitable. From the reading of the annual report 2009 of Icom posted in www.Icom.jp.co , ham gears only contributed 10% of their business. Like other export manufacturers in japan , they were hard hit by strong JPY. While I was in Osaka last month, I did voice my concern about profitability and survival in front of them. Johnny VR2Xmc Sent from my iPhone 4 "Ron D'Eau Claire" 於 2010年12月2日 上午7:22 寫道： > I suspect Icom's focus and main income is marine and aircraft gear - > especially the huge GMDSS marine market. The operational requirements for > GMDSS gear is similar to Ham needs - SSB across the HF bands and FM in VHF - > so I suspect they'll continue to build "ham gear" as long as there's a > profit there. But there's nothing like the HUGE market for virtually > identical (and so easy to manufacture and support) GMDSS rigs. > > That might also suggest why ICOM has not been real fast to address CW keying > issues when they do occur - they relate only to the Amateur market. > > E.F Johnson went the same way, moving out of the Ham market an into the > (then very lucrative) land mobile market in the 70's and 80's. When land > mobile went to VHF trunking systems - something with no direct application > to the Ham market - Johnson simply stopped making Ham gear. > > Ron AC7AC > > P.S. In this world of tag lines let me offer, ""Once you've stood a busy > watch or two the code is yours for keeps. After that it's simply a language > that you know, that you can't forget if you tried. By Jingo, you'll think in > dots and dashes for the rest of your life." Raddall, 'The Nymph and the > Lamp' > > > -Original Message- > > Even with the release of the TS-590, Kenwood's > interest in the serious high-end of HF gear has been in some doubt for a > long time. That leaves only Icom who appears serious enough to be > around a decade hence as a full line manufacturer. > > > 73, de Nate >> > > -- > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Actually there are 8 K3's on Kermadec...so they told us. Even have one set up as a 6M beacon. Forgot to ask what amps they were using...oh well..:-) 73's Gary On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > Yup, > I just worked ZL8X on 30 meters a while ago. My IC-7000 (soon to be > replaced by a K3/P3 combo) could barely hear them off my Butternut HF2V > vertical, but once I got the split set to where they were listening, grabbed > 'em first call. I know they have some K3's there and I'd almost bet dollars > to donuts that the op on the Kermadec end was running one. I'd also bet > that if I had a K3 in place of that little IC-7000, I wouldn't have had any > trouble hearing them at all. > > Jim - W0EB > > > Isn't it amazing the subjects that come up when someone's favorite > > non-Elecraft radio company is getting it's butt kicked in the > > contest wars. That "more K3 than anything else combined" at the > > WRTC really rankled some nerves. I don't think I have ever heard > > "will the company still be here in 10 years" used before in a > > discussion about what radio to buy. They are really getting > > desperate. > > > > 73, Guy. > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679, P3 #546 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
ARRL does include an oscillograph of a 60 wpm dit as well as a graph of the composite noise spectrum of the transmitted CW signal. But the average ham doesn't look carefully at this, or understand it. In my opinion, they should develop a standard way of specifying the bandwidth consumed by a keyed CW signal, expressed as a single number. Then you could compare transmitters and something problematic like the FT-1000 would stand out. On 12/1/2010 3:37 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > A good start would be for someone ... hello ARRL? ... to document key > clicks. A lot of good it does for me to have a rig with excellent 2 KHz > BDR only to have everything ruined by key clicks from some Yaesu rig > that neither the manufacturer nor the operator will fix. > > Dave AB7E > > > > On 12/1/2010 3:48 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >> >> Given the recent discussion on the FT-5000's transmitted phase noise, it >> would be nice to see if Bob could provide some independent testing of >> transmitters as well. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Vic __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Last spring I went hat in hand to my wife with the 3-year old K3 brochure. I did make an offer that she could not refuse (pay off the loan on her Toyota Sienna). We plundered my 401K account for $12K; I got $4K and she got $8K. Of course the interest on her car loan was way more than what the 401K was earning. Also, we had been laid off six months before so lessening the monthly cash-flow by $600 didn't hurt. It's amazing how laid-off at 66 turns into retired! I waited at least three years before buying, but that was because I did not figure that we could afford it. My wife really surprised me. She did say that Santa was going on vacation for ten years! Ho! Ho! 73, Ed - KL7UW -- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:27:46 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Stewart Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 To: Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: Elecraft Reflector Message-ID: <982113.24643...@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We are in the same boat. I've been working on and off on a LPD antenna to replace my HB 20-meter monobander. After chasing ZL8X around the bands using just a 40/80 meter inverted vee (22 band/modes worked) I was saying to my wife that maybe I should just breakdown and buy something. She said, "How much?" I said, "About $1500 or so." She said, "Buy it, we have the money." Of course we have the money because I've been frugal. Also she thinks I'll get the bathroom remodeled faster if I'm not working on antennas. :-) Whenever I've thought that there was something that I absolutely, positively couldn't live without, I have just waited a month to see how I felt then. Usually, I could live without it, if not, I bought it. Wes N7WS 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-800*w, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
What Wayne should have said, "Not bad for a 9-pound rig, designed and made in America, by an American company, that starts at $1400. W0EB > Pretty close to a dead heat between the K3 and the FT5000, except > for blocking dynamic range (K3 is better by 13 dB) and filter > ultimate attenuation (K3 is better by 15 dB). > > Not bad for a 9-pound rig that starts at $1400. > > That said, I will now disqualify myself from the rest of this > thread :) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
A good start would be for someone ... hello ARRL? ... to document key clicks. A lot of good it does for me to have a rig with excellent 2 KHz BDR only to have everything ruined by key clicks from some Yaesu rig that neither the manufacturer nor the operator will fix. Dave AB7E On 12/1/2010 3:48 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Given the recent discussion on the FT-5000's transmitted phase noise, it > would be nice to see if Bob could provide some independent testing of > transmitters as well. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
I suspect Icom's focus and main income is marine and aircraft gear - especially the huge GMDSS marine market. The operational requirements for GMDSS gear is similar to Ham needs - SSB across the HF bands and FM in VHF - so I suspect they'll continue to build "ham gear" as long as there's a profit there. But there's nothing like the HUGE market for virtually identical (and so easy to manufacture and support) GMDSS rigs. That might also suggest why ICOM has not been real fast to address CW keying issues when they do occur - they relate only to the Amateur market. E.F Johnson went the same way, moving out of the Ham market an into the (then very lucrative) land mobile market in the 70's and 80's. When land mobile went to VHF trunking systems - something with no direct application to the Ham market - Johnson simply stopped making Ham gear. Ron AC7AC P.S. In this world of tag lines let me offer, ""Once you've stood a busy watch or two the code is yours for keeps. After that it's simply a language that you know, that you can't forget if you tried. By Jingo, you'll think in dots and dashes for the rest of your life." Raddall, 'The Nymph and the Lamp' -Original Message- Even with the release of the TS-590, Kenwood's interest in the serious high-end of HF gear has been in some doubt for a long time. That leaves only Icom who appears serious enough to be around a decade hence as a full line manufacturer. 73, de Nate >> -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:26 PM, K9ZTV wrote: > Sherwood sorts on Dynamic Range-Narrow Spaced, and both rigs are 101db at 2 > Kcs. If I correctly grok Rob's numbers, the K3 requires the use of a very narrow roofing filter (200 Hz) to attain the 101 dB of dynamic range (i.e., the two "beating" carriers are far away from the passband that the I.F. amplifier, the 2nd Mixer and the DSP codec sees). >From Rob's table, the K3's 2 kHz dynamic range degrades by 6 dB when you go >from a 200 Hz roofing filter to a 500 Hz roofing filter. For a digital mode op, the difference can actually be quite large, and not simply a case of "edging out." 73 Chen, W7AY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
k9ztv wrote: > > I agree. > > Where is the edging out? > > Sherwood sorts on Dynamic Range-Narrow Spaced, and both rigs are 101db > at 2 Kcs. > > I'm confused by Bob's statement that it "edges out" the K3. > The nominal filter bandwidth for all (un-footnoted) 2 kHz measurements is 500 Hz, or the closest filter to 500 Hz. This has been the standard used by ARRL, Radcom and Sherwood for many years. At this bandwidth the K3 has 95 dB IMDDR3 using its 5-pole 500 Hz filter. Inrad's 8-pole 500 might be a dB closer, like the 96 dB listed for the 8-pole 400 Hz. The 5000 measurement is apparently using their 600 Hz roofing filter and a DSP BW of 500 Hz, so indeed it does "edge out" the K3 when using comparable filters. In other words, it achieves 101 dB with a 600 Hz roofing filter and the K3 achieves 101 dB using the 200 Hz 5-pole. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Fwd-New-Sherwood-report-tp5793377p5793950.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
* On 2010 01 Dec 09:16 -0600, Lee Buller wrote: > He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" With Motorola having a majority share of Vertex/Standard, will Yaesu be around in 10 years? Even with the release of the TS-590, Kenwood's interest in the serious high-end of HF gear has been in some doubt for a long time. That leaves only Icom who appears serious enough to be around a decade hence as a full line manufacturer. I'll go further and suggest that 10 years from now the amateur radio market place will look almost nothing like it does today. Wouxun is now on the tongue of a lot of hams. Expect more Chinese imports to follow and they *will* undercut the Japanese on price. The question is when their performance will match the Japanese Big Three offerings. While the Big Three are responding to Elecraft now, their real worry would seem to be the up and coming Chinese as they are working from the same playbook the Japanese used 40 years ago. But, Lee, your logical answers were unheeded because some people cannot be outside of the comfort zone of owning what everyone else owns. The examples of this are legion. In his mind, Elecraft is a bit player and not a "safe bet". The problem is psychological, not logical. Elecraft interested me way back when W0EB had a booth at the KS Convention years ago. I just didn't express that interest outwardly nor really to myself, but I was interested to see where this company was going in the future. The seed for buying a K3 was really only planted about a year ago as I overheard testimonial after testimonial on the bands. Yet, I took my time and did my homework (that conservative German nature coming through I guess) and decided to pull the trigger before this autumn's operating season. As Wayne stated, Elecraft's customers are the best sales force the company has. Clearly, the K3 is not for everyone for various reasons, but for a lot of us it is a fine radio that will find a home in our shacks for years to come. 73, de Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
* On 2010 01 Dec 16:19 -0600, Ed Schuller wrote: > > > > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html I understand that Sherwood places a lot of emphasis on 2 kHz BDR. While that is a worthwhile measurement, I am concerned more about the Filter Ultimate (dB) column. Not only being 15 dB poorer than than the K3, note also that the FT-5000 is phase limited in this regard. It will take someone more educated than I to tell us what that means in practical terms, but it is one glaring difference between two radios that appear to be almost identical. Also, the FT-5000 being 13 dB poorer in the 100 kHz BDR column is also glaring and perhaps telling. Given the recent discussion on the FT-5000's transmitted phase noise, it would be nice to see if Bob could provide some independent testing of transmitters as well. At the end of the day it would appear that the Yaesu engineers have done their homework in some areas but left room for improvement. 73, de Nate >> P.S. My K3 is staying put. :-) -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Yes Wayne,not bad for a medium size radio that weighting just 9 pounds can be carried anywhere in a small bag instead of that monster yaesu that weights a lot and its not good to be transported to a dxpedition. Hector AD4C K3 # 2194 that was already in a dxpedition "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Wayne Burdick wrote: From: Wayne Burdick Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report To: "Ed Schuller" Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 9:18 PM Pretty close to a dead heat between the K3 and the FT5000, except for blocking dynamic range (K3 is better by 13 dB) and filter ultimate attenuation (K3 is better by 15 dB). Not bad for a 9-pound rig that starts at $1400. That said, I will now disqualify myself from the rest of this thread :) 73, Wayne N6KR Ed wrote: > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
These two guys alone has done more than a bunch of JA engineers together with millions of capital,they made a radio that is hard to beat by them,so I go with them as well all the way down. Hector AD4C "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Terry Schieler wrote: From: Terry Schieler Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 To: "'Lee Buller'" , "'Elecraft Reflector'" Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 6:22 PM In response to your friend's comment "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from a QRP company or any company that is owned by two guys," you might have pointed out that Collins Radio was, initially at least, owned by ONE guy, Art Collins. The founder of Heathkit was an individual who originally built aircraft. There are MANY examples of successful corporations that were founded and run for years by an individual. In my mind, if ONE guy can be THAT good, then I'll go with the TWO we have here! Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Lee Buller [mailto:k...@swbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:14 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
I agree. Where is the edging out? Sherwood sorts on Dynamic Range-Narrow Spaced, and both rigs are 101db at 2 Kcs. I'm confused by Bob's statement that it "edges out" the K3. If you take the other parameters into consideration, the K3 should be listed first and the 5000 listed second. 73, Kent K9ZTV On 12/1/2010 3:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Pretty close to a dead heat between the K3 and the FT5000, except for > blocking dynamic range (K3 is better by 13 dB) and filter ultimate > attenuation (K3 is better by 15 dB). > > Not bad for a 9-pound rig that starts at $1400. > > That said, I will now disqualify myself from the rest of this thread :) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > Ed wrote: > >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - Release Date: 12/01/10 > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
I've had the privilege of being with two large companies as they went from first generation to second-generation management: Ampex, when founder Alexander M. Poniatoff (add "ex" for excellence to his initials) gave up control and Hewlett-Packard when founders "Bill and Dave" retired. As good as the companies may be today (I'm using an excellent HP system to write this), They quickly became completely different from what they were under their founders. The companies passed into new hands with totally different ideas and outlook which rewrote the corporate philosophy in all aspects, from product and market focus to the people they wanted. Surely anyone whose happiness depends upon the world continuing just as it is will be disappointed in the future. However, it took me a lot of years to learn that lesson and be grateful for the world I have today. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Many more innovative companies were created by one or two than by committees. Many of those won't survive beyond their founder's life. As a personal example, I worked 23 years for AT&T (1961-1984). AT&T as it existed after WW I was the creature not of Alexander Bell but of Theodore Vail. Vail's vision was universal service provided by a regulated monopoly. The evolution of modern electronics and computers gradually invalidated this idea; the company, however, fought to preserve it. So instead of adapting it disappeared. (The name "AT&T" is now owned and used by one of it's former subsidiaries) That same evolution did in Hallicrafters, National Radio, Hammarlund, Drake, World Radio labs, Heathkit, and many others as ham radio manufacturers. Now it has made Elecraft possible. What a great time to be around. What's next? Monty K2DLJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
Pretty close to a dead heat between the K3 and the FT5000, except for blocking dynamic range (K3 is better by 13 dB) and filter ultimate attenuation (K3 is better by 15 dB). Not bad for a 9-pound rig that starts at $1400. That said, I will now disqualify myself from the rest of this thread :) 73, Wayne N6KR Ed wrote: > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Guglielmo Marconi, The Marconi Company :-) 73,Pete F5VNB On 01/12/2010 21:51, Kok Chen wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2010, at 12/112:32 PM, K9ZTV wrote: >> The list goes on and on . . . > > Sako Hasegawa, JA1MP (General Television Co and Yaesu Musen) > > 73 > Chen, W7AY > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction
Using NR on 40m in noisy SSB conditions I have tried many combinations. The best I have found so far is the 6-1 ~ 6-3 range, with AF & RF at max at 6-3 to get the weaker signals through very high noise levels we currently experience here on 40m. I previously used the 8-x & 7-x range as it had less effect on audio quality, but found it not as effective on static crash noise as the 6-x range with reasonable signal intelligibility. If the noise can be transferred to a more transparent sound retaining reasonable audio quality and level,then that would be great. I would hope more testing could be done to improve NR on the K3 in the future. I do usually decrease RF gain for the best result before using NR at all, and try to avoid using NR until the noise becomes just too much. Adrian ... vk4tux __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
On Dec 1, 2010, at 12/112:32 PM, K9ZTV wrote: > The list goes on and on . . . Sako Hasegawa, JA1MP (General Television Co and Yaesu Musen) 73 Chen, W7AY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction
Using NR on 40m in noisy SSB conditions I have tried many combinations. The best I have found so far is the 6-1 ~ 6-3 range, with AF & RF at max at 6-3 to get the weaker signals through very high noise levels we currently experience here on 40m. I previously used the 8-x & 7-x range as it had less effect on audio quality, but found it not as effective on static crash noise as the 6-x range with reasonable signal intelligibility. If the noise can be transferred to a more transparent sound retaining reasonable audio quality and level,then that would be great. I would hope more testing could be done to improve NR on the K3 in the future. I do usually decrease RF gain for the best result before using NR at all, and try to avoid using NR until the noise becomes just too much. Adrian ... vk4tux __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
To name just a few more . . . Oscar Hammarlund (never spelt with an "e" although a lot hams try to) Gus Gonsett (two "ts" but the company only had one) . . . Herb Johnson (Swan Electronics, named after his father) Edgar F. Johnson (E.F. Johnson) William M. Nye (Nye-Viking) Leo Meyerson (World Radio Labs and "Galaxy" and "Globe") James Millen (National Radio Co. & James Millen Manufacturing Co.) William J. Halligan (Hallicrafters) Russ Planck & E.G. Shalkhauser (RME) The list goes on and on . . . 73, Kent K9ZTV On 12/1/2010 12:22 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > There are MANY examples of successful corporations that were > founded and run for years by an individual. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Fwd: New Sherwood report
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Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
The Ft-5000 seems to have a few issues with alc and tx audio quality, where the K3 really has got the ability to tx great quality audio with many different microphone setups. FT-5000's I have heard sound raspy when using heavier mic/compression levels whereas the K3 retains a clean sound under a similar setup situation. I thing the 5000 is a great rig, but it has a few issues like most transceivers. Adrian ... vk4tux __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
The flip side of the coin: companies created by two guys who grew to succeed. Many examples exist, including Apple Computer, HP, Walt Disney Co., and Microsoft. Only Apple still has one of its founders in an active management role, and he will retire soon. Good companies outlive their founders, so long as the founder's vision remains. Given the limited size of the ham radio market, I don't expect Elecraft to reach their size. However, (to comment on an earlier post) if they thought it would be profitable to enter the marine radio business (for example) by repurposing the K3, we should encourage that, not bemoan it. A broader customer base could help to ensure long-term success. Lew Phelps K6LMP On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Monty Shultes wrote: > Many more innovative companies were created by one or two than by committees. > Many of those won't survive beyond their founder's life. As a personal > example, I worked 23 years for AT&T (1961-1984). AT&T as it existed after WW > I was the creature not of Alexander Bell but of Theodore Vail. Vail's vision > was universal service provided by a regulated monopoly. The evolution of > modern electronics and computers gradually invalidated this idea; the > company, however, fought to preserve it. So instead of adapting it > disappeared. (The name "AT&T" is now owned and used by one of it's former > subsidiaries) > That same evolution did in Hallicrafters, National Radio, Hammarlund, Drake, > World Radio labs, Heathkit, and many others as ham radio manufacturers. Now > it has made Elecraft possible. What a great time to be around. What's next? > > Monty K2DLJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Future of Elecraft
Working with a group of youngsters here in Sacramento, many of whom have > their Technician or even General Class licenses, I see a constant > pattern. They all tend to live in neighborhoods with tight HOA (Home > Owner Association) restrictions and are unable to put up antennas. > While that's not entirely true when it comes to stealth installations, > it's a major hurdle for those not used to tinkering with antennas. - Dale, I just worked 25 states, 6 provinces, and 43 countries last weekend with an indoor antenna and 5w out of my K2. I'm a retired 'boomer' who downsized to a Townhouse with HOA restrictions. Fifty years ago, when I was 12 years old and living in low income housing with outside antenna prohibitions, I got may Novice license and got on the air with (probably about) 10 watts out of a 50L6. My first antenna was an indoor wire. I think the answer to your question might be that if something is attractive enough (like ham radio was to me as a kid), necessity truly becomes the mother of invention and we find a way to deal with it. Along with HOAs we all know that our RF environment is becoming increasingly threatening. Most of us who have to deal with HOAs wouldn't dare run 100 watts for two reasons - the potential health hazards if the antenna can't be properly located, and the havoc that the RF wreaks with every poorly designed elecronic gizmo in the neighborhood. Sure, we can clean up our end but the average neighbor doesn't easily accept that the problem may really be his problem, not ours. In my opinion, having access to a top quality QRP rig like my own K2, makes all the difference in the world between operating a successful "stealth" station and going fishing. I would like to believe that ham radio is so rich in terms of its diversity that there will always be enough people around to keep it going, especially if we look at a world map and realize that what happens here in the United States is actually just a small part of a much larger world. Well, that's my two cents anyway. Stan Levandowski WB2LQF HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years! QCWA #35038 OOTC #4558 NAQCC #4740 SKCC #6488 FISTS #14992 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Many more innovative companies were created by one or two than by committees. Many of those won't survive beyond their founder's life. As a personal example, I worked 23 years for AT&T (1961-1984). AT&T as it existed after WW I was the creature not of Alexander Bell but of Theodore Vail. Vail's vision was universal service provided by a regulated monopoly. The evolution of modern electronics and computers gradually invalidated this idea; the company, however, fought to preserve it. So instead of adapting it disappeared. (The name "AT&T" is now owned and used by one of it's former subsidiaries) That same evolution did in Hallicrafters, National Radio, Hammarlund, Drake, World Radio labs, Heathkit, and many others as ham radio manufacturers. Now it has made Elecraft possible. What a great time to be around. What's next? Monty K2DLJ > In response to your friend's comment "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from > a QRP company or any company that is owned by two guys," you might have > pointed out that Collins Radio was, initially at least, owned by ONE guy, > Art Collins. The founder of Heathkit was an individual who originally built > aircraft. There are MANY examples of successful corporations that were > founded and run for years by an individual. In my mind, if ONE guy can be > THAT good, then I'll go with the TWO we have here! > > Terry, W0FM > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Bert No offence taken at all, I support what you've just now said, plus, you wouldn't buy Elecraft if they didn't do the products that you want, whether American or not. They could be from virtually anywhere in the world and get our orders. David G3UNA > Hi David, (& others?) > > My apologies for not making the distinction that we really ALL need to > support our respective infrastructures. The selfish part of me thanks you > for supporting the company I feel represents the very zenith of amateur > radio transceiver manufacturing and support. (And, of course, helping them > to survive during these tough economic times.) > > How are things wrt transceiver manufacturers across the pond? Is Philips > an actual domestic manufacturer or are they like our Uniden? Great > products but not truly domestic. > > In any event, I meant no offense to the non-USA members of the Elecraft > family (Isn't that what we really what we are?) and I offer my sincerest > apologies if any was taken. > > Wishing you all a warm, happy and healthy holiday season and beyond. As > always, take care es... > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > > > >> Bert, I'm happy to spend my hard-earned $ on a foreign company, ie off >> our shores, like many others around the world who are not American. >> >> David >> G3UNA >> >> >> I also like the fact that my dollars went to folks who >>> live, work and spend their earnings right here in the USA. I felt that >>> way >>> before the economic crisis when I purchased my K1 & K2 and feel it is >>> especially critical now that we do all we can to support our own >>> infrastructure. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Bert >>> WA2SI >>> > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Future of Elecraft
There are plenty of good antenna options that HOAs can do absolutely nothing about. I live in a townhouse in a restricted development, and my primary HF antenna is a High Sierra HS1800 mounted on a short pipe in a bucket of cement. When I want to operate, I just set the bucket with the pre-mounted HS1800 base out onto the driveway, spread out the 8 10-foot radials, and attach the whip. Antenna setup takes all of about two minutes. There's simply nothing a HOA can say or do about it because a) it's not attached to the house and b) isn't any kind of permanent structure. I also have a Buddipole -- again, no problems in a HOA development. Even if the HOA were to complain, I'd just mount the HS1800 on my car and plug into it from the shack when I want to operate. 73, Steve - KW4H On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:04 PM, dalekretzer wrote: > The question was raised regarding the future of Elecraft and ham radio > in general as to what happens when we old boomers buying most of the > equipment die off. That ties in with something bothering me lately, > somewhat on topic. > > Working with a group of youngsters here in Sacramento, many of whom have > their Technician or even General Class licenses, I see a constant > pattern. They all tend to live in neighborhoods with tight HOA (Home > Owner Association) restrictions and are unable to put up antennas. While > that's not entirely true when it comes to stealth installations, it's a > major hurdle for those not used to tinkering with antennas. > > We boomers for the most part have avoided such situations when buying > our homes, but the kids have no option, plus may have parents concerned > about visible wires, etc. > > So, that begs the question, what happens to the future of our fine > Elecraft business operation when we all are so hampered in trying to > increase the younger base in our hobby? The rapid growth of HOA > restrictions is truly throttling our hobby! > > 73, Dale - K6PJV > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
Nope! Just typing/editing too fast this morning ;-) 73, Eric On 12/1/2010 10:27 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > Were items 2 and 8 censored and about secret forthcoming releases? :-) > Seriously, thanks, Eric, for background info. Very nice to know! > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
It's been a l-o-n-g time since I told someone I was running a K2 at 100 watts and they replied "100 watts -- isn't the K2 a QRP rig?" The QRP gang is a great community of Hams. It's good to see that Elecraft continues to support them as well as the QRO operators. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - ... 7. We haven't been a 'QRP Only Company' for some time. Yes, in 1999 we first targeted at the QRP market since it was tightly focused, easily marketed to, and was our fastest path to a first product. Its still a great market, too. But we always planned to also offer 100W high-performance rigs, both kit and factory assembled, to compete against the best HF rigs from other QRO manufacturers. That's the major part of the market. I think you can agree we have more than succeeded in that area with the K2 and now the K3 73, Eric WA6HHQ www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Future of Elecraft
The question was raised regarding the future of Elecraft and ham radio in general as to what happens when we old boomers buying most of the equipment die off. That ties in with something bothering me lately, somewhat on topic. Working with a group of youngsters here in Sacramento, many of whom have their Technician or even General Class licenses, I see a constant pattern. They all tend to live in neighborhoods with tight HOA (Home Owner Association) restrictions and are unable to put up antennas. While that's not entirely true when it comes to stealth installations, it's a major hurdle for those not used to tinkering with antennas. We boomers for the most part have avoided such situations when buying our homes, but the kids have no option, plus may have parents concerned about visible wires, etc. So, that begs the question, what happens to the future of our fine Elecraft business operation when we all are so hampered in trying to increase the younger base in our hobby? The rapid growth of HOA restrictions is truly throttling our hobby! 73, Dale - K6PJV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
I know you guys generally don't like "me too" messages but you guys really are THE BEST! Thanks again for envisioning, creating, maintaining and growing a company that has made such an impact on our personal happiness. When I come home from work, no couch and/or TV show can relax me like donning the cans and firing up the K2. I recently dug SU/HA3JB out from the noise floor and put Gab in the log on my first try. (Love that 200 Hz filter!) Your new building still reminds me of Initech from the movie Office Space though - hihi. Having worked as a mainframe programmer analyst in corporate IT before transitioning to law enforcement, I can honestly say I know each and every one of those characters. (including myself - hihi) As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI - Original Message - From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-) > (Retitled to split this from the other thread.) ---snipped for brevity and to save bandwidth--- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] AF-1 audio filter
I was looking for the KAF2 manual online to compare, but I didn't try very hard. I'll have to try again tonight. On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I don't have a KAF2 Hisashi-san. Of course, they are both active filters > but, from the comments I've noted here on the reflector, it sounds as if the > AF1 is more "aggressive" than the KAF2. > > The AF1 is predominately a narrow bandpass filter but it also has a low-pass > filter section to roll off the higher frequencies. You can see typical plots > of the bandpass characteristic in the AF1 manual available on the Elecraft > web site (look under Manuals and Downloads/Mini-Modules/AF1 Audio Filter). > > I can say the AF1 behaves very much like most active filters I've used with > about all the selectivity possible (in BPF2 position) without serious > "ringing". The AF1 is also tunable from the front panel to match your audio > frequency preference. Also, the high-frequency cutoff point of the low-pass > filter is adjustable from the front panel and it has a front-panel audio > gain control. > > Ron AC7AC > > -Original Message- > > I wasn't paying enough attention lately. Does anyone have a comparison > of the audio filter in the AF-1 vs the one in the KAF2? I've wanted a > low pass filter for a while, and after seeing a youtube video of the > AF-1 I think that's what I'm looking for. > > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - ht...@twofifty.com BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
I know some guys here in AZ for whom that would be a driver. > > Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > > > > The KPA500, now going into field test, is definitely > -not- QRP ;-) > > > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > > It is QRP in California :.) > > Barry W2UP > > P.S. Promise us you won't sell out to that 3 letter > company that starts > with M and ends with J :.) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
In response to your friend's comment "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from a QRP company or any company that is owned by two guys," you might have pointed out that Collins Radio was, initially at least, owned by ONE guy, Art Collins. The founder of Heathkit was an individual who originally built aircraft. There are MANY examples of successful corporations that were founded and run for years by an individual. In my mind, if ONE guy can be THAT good, then I'll go with the TWO we have here! Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Lee Buller [mailto:k...@swbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:14 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] AF-1 audio filter
Hisaahi, I have used both and find both useful. The thing I like about the AF-1 is the ability to shift the peak frequency. 73, Larry Ingram AG4NN At 12:34 PM 12/1/2010, you wrote: >I wasn't paying enough attention lately. Does anyone have a comparison >of the audio filter in the AF-1 vs the one in the KAF2? I've wanted a >low pass filter for a while, and after seeing a youtube video of the >AF-1 I think that's what I'm looking for. > >On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > >>Very nice execution Larry! >> >>I don't use an outboard audio amp with my AF1. The built-in LM386 amp in the >>AF1 drives a pair of outboard speakers for me with good volume. Do you have >>an unusually noisy environment? >> >>73, >> >>Ron AC7AC >> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] AF-1 audio filter
Ron, Thanks for the complement; I enjoy seeing what I can do to make something fit my needs. I don't have a particularly noisy site but I have the radio sitting on a shelf with another shelf just above it which makes the top firing speaker in the K2 more difficult to hear. So I added the amplifier to connect to a front facing speaker. I probably don't need the extra audio level, but added it because I don't know what I might connect it to in the future. 73, Larry AG4NN At 12:29 PM 12/1/2010, you wrote: >Very nice execution Larry! > >I don't use an outboard audio amp with my AF1. The built-in LM386 amp in the >AF1 drives a pair of outboard speakers for me with good volume. Do you have >an unusually noisy environment? > >73, > >Ron AC7AC > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
Were items 2 and 8 censored and about secret forthcoming releases? :-) Seriously, thanks, Eric, for background info. Very nice to know! 73, Mike ab3ap On 12/01/2010 01:09 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > A few data points: > > 1. Since shipping our first K2 from Aptos in January of 1999, Elecraft... > > 3. How did we do that? Elecraft designs great, high value, products that... > > 4. We also carefully listen to, and interact with, our customers daily... > > 5. Wayne and I are both healthy guys - a very long way from retirement... > > 6. Our well staffed engineering design team is diverse and strong. I'd... > > 7. We haven't been a 'QRP Only Company' for some time. Yes, in 1999 we... > > 9. Most important, we have incredibly enthusiastic and supportive... > > [...] > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > > www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > > The KPA500, now going into field test, is definitely -not- QRP ;-) > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ It is QRP in California :.) Barry W2UP P.S. Promise us you won't sell out to that 3 letter company that starts with M and ends with J :.) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-Conversation-about-FT-5000-vs-K3-tp5792220p5792998.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Hi David, (& others?) My apologies for not making the distinction that we really ALL need to support our respective infrastructures. The selfish part of me thanks you for supporting the company I feel represents the very zenith of amateur radio transceiver manufacturing and support. (And, of course, helping them to survive during these tough economic times.) How are things wrt transceiver manufacturers across the pond? Is Philips an actual domestic manufacturer or are they like our Uniden? Great products but not truly domestic. In any event, I meant no offense to the non-USA members of the Elecraft family (Isn't that what we really what we are?) and I offer my sincerest apologies if any was taken. Wishing you all a warm, happy and healthy holiday season and beyond. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI - Original Message - From: "David Cutter" To: "Bert Craig" ; "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 > Bert, I'm happy to spend my hard-earned $ on a foreign company, ie off our > shores, like many others around the world who are not American. > > David > G3UNA > > > I also like the fact that my dollars went to folks who >> live, work and spend their earnings right here in the USA. I felt that >> way >> before the economic crisis when I purchased my K1 & K2 and feel it is >> especially critical now that we do all we can to support our own >> infrastructure. >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
BRAVO !!!, you guys have been,are and will be the best !! You guys made us americans feel proud !! God give you all of you health enough to keep the excellent work you have done in these 12 years of success for 50 or more years.That's why I will be always a K3 user no matter how many good radios be at the market to compete. Hector AD4C K3 # 2192 still working fine after 2 years old. "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-) To: "Elecraft Reflector" Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 6:09 PM (Retitled to split this from the other thread.) Hi Lee, I'm always amazed when I hear comments like your friend made about us. It must be our focus on direct, and personal, customer contact that leads some people to think we are still a tiny company. December 2010 will finish our -twelfth- profitable year of operation and continuous sales growth. And our monthly K3 sales, same month versus a year ago numbers, are up even with the introduction of competing rigs. We are well past working from our basements. :-) A few data points: 1. Since shipping our first K2 from Aptos in January of 1999, Elecraft has grown into a healthy multi-million dollar high-tech company with a broad product line. We have -zero- debt, own all of our inventory, and have a healthy, and very stable, balance sheet. We build our products here in California, just outside of Silicon Valley. We are structured to be here for a long time, and certainly longer than most hams keep a particular rig. We want Elecraft to outlast both of us. 3. How did we do that? Elecraft designs great, high value, products that are fun to use. And our products, like the K3, continue to improve and get new features even -after- you buy them. We run a stable and tight financial ship - carefully trading off an internally financed growth rate versus risk and cash needs. We work hard. We hire great people who continually amaze us with their intelligence, creativity and work ethic. Our customer support team is one of the best. And we enjoy our work. 4. We also carefully listen to, and interact with, our customers daily. We are focused on being the most responsive, and fun, ham radio company to buy from - period. 5. Wayne and I are both healthy guys - a very long way from retirement. We are having a great time bulding and running Elecraft, and plan to do so for some time. But we are not the only people who continue to make Elecraft successful. 6. Our well staffed engineering design team is diverse and strong. I'd wager that it is as large as, or larger, than many HF rig design teams at our competitors. We are well past two guys doing all of the design in our basement labs. Our engineering, support, manufacturing and management people are top notch, with a lot of depth. We have a great team and plan to keep building it for the long haul. 7. We haven't been a 'QRP Only Company' for some time. Yes, in 1999 we first targeted at the QRP market since it was tightly focused, easily marketed to, and was our fastest path to a first product. Its still a great market, too. But we always planned to also offer 100W high-performance rigs, both kit and factory assembled, to compete against the best HF rigs from other QRO manufacturers. That's the major part of the market. I think you can agree we have more than succeeded in that area with the K2 and now the K3. The majority of our rigs go out the door at 100W. We are continually designing a diverse product line, ranging from QRP to QRO. The KPA500, now going into field test, is definitely -not- QRP ;-) But stay tuned for more QRP offerings too! 9. Most important, we have incredibly enthusiastic and supportive customers. You make it fun for us! By telling your friends about Elecraft, the K3, and our other products, you keep us in business every day. You are our best salespeople. The more you enthusiastically tell your friends about our products, in person and on the air, the more new products we can design and sell. In today's economic environment, more than ever, this is incredibly important to us. Please - keep up the great work. We really appreciate it! 73, Eric WA6HHQ www.elecraft.com -- On 12/1/2010 7:14 AM, Lee Buller wrote: > I am reluctantly writing this email to the reflector with a very dangerous > subject linebut here it goes. > > My good ham friend came through town on Monday and we ended up going to dinner > with the YLs. As dinner progressed, he asked me what I thought about the > FT-5000 vs the K3. I said that "they would have to pry my K3 out of my cold > dead hands at the end." ... > > I told him about the K3 and that he needed so sit down and work with one. We > bantered back and forth and then he said something rather odd... >
Re: [Elecraft] AF-1 audio filter
I don't have a KAF2 Hisashi-san. Of course, they are both active filters but, from the comments I've noted here on the reflector, it sounds as if the AF1 is more "aggressive" than the KAF2. The AF1 is predominately a narrow bandpass filter but it also has a low-pass filter section to roll off the higher frequencies. You can see typical plots of the bandpass characteristic in the AF1 manual available on the Elecraft web site (look under Manuals and Downloads/Mini-Modules/AF1 Audio Filter). I can say the AF1 behaves very much like most active filters I've used with about all the selectivity possible (in BPF2 position) without serious "ringing". The AF1 is also tunable from the front panel to match your audio frequency preference. Also, the high-frequency cutoff point of the low-pass filter is adjustable from the front panel and it has a front-panel audio gain control. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I wasn't paying enough attention lately. Does anyone have a comparison of the audio filter in the AF-1 vs the one in the KAF2? I've wanted a low pass filter for a while, and after seeing a youtube video of the AF-1 I think that's what I'm looking for. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] switch tones
Hi. Have just installed 4.22 using the latest utility. Problem : no switch tones. Config is on. Don't think I am over looking something But never know!!! Thank youGil K8EAG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Why we are here for the long run :-)
(Retitled to split this from the other thread.) Hi Lee, I'm always amazed when I hear comments like your friend made about us. It must be our focus on direct, and personal, customer contact that leads some people to think we are still a tiny company. December 2010 will finish our -twelfth- profitable year of operation and continuous sales growth. And our monthly K3 sales, same month versus a year ago numbers, are up even with the introduction of competing rigs. We are well past working from our basements. :-) A few data points: 1. Since shipping our first K2 from Aptos in January of 1999, Elecraft has grown into a healthy multi-million dollar high-tech company with a broad product line. We have -zero- debt, own all of our inventory, and have a healthy, and very stable, balance sheet. We build our products here in California, just outside of Silicon Valley. We are structured to be here for a long time, and certainly longer than most hams keep a particular rig. We want Elecraft to outlast both of us. 3. How did we do that? Elecraft designs great, high value, products that are fun to use. And our products, like the K3, continue to improve and get new features even -after- you buy them. We run a stable and tight financial ship - carefully trading off an internally financed growth rate versus risk and cash needs. We work hard. We hire great people who continually amaze us with their intelligence, creativity and work ethic. Our customer support team is one of the best. And we enjoy our work. 4. We also carefully listen to, and interact with, our customers daily. We are focused on being the most responsive, and fun, ham radio company to buy from - period. 5. Wayne and I are both healthy guys - a very long way from retirement. We are having a great time bulding and running Elecraft, and plan to do so for some time. But we are not the only people who continue to make Elecraft successful. 6. Our well staffed engineering design team is diverse and strong. I'd wager that it is as large as, or larger, than many HF rig design teams at our competitors. We are well past two guys doing all of the design in our basement labs. Our engineering, support, manufacturing and management people are top notch, with a lot of depth. We have a great team and plan to keep building it for the long haul. 7. We haven't been a 'QRP Only Company' for some time. Yes, in 1999 we first targeted at the QRP market since it was tightly focused, easily marketed to, and was our fastest path to a first product. Its still a great market, too. But we always planned to also offer 100W high-performance rigs, both kit and factory assembled, to compete against the best HF rigs from other QRO manufacturers. That's the major part of the market. I think you can agree we have more than succeeded in that area with the K2 and now the K3. The majority of our rigs go out the door at 100W. We are continually designing a diverse product line, ranging from QRP to QRO. The KPA500, now going into field test, is definitely -not- QRP ;-) But stay tuned for more QRP offerings too! 9. Most important, we have incredibly enthusiastic and supportive customers. You make it fun for us! By telling your friends about Elecraft, the K3, and our other products, you keep us in business every day. You are our best salespeople. The more you enthusiastically tell your friends about our products, in person and on the air, the more new products we can design and sell. In today's economic environment, more than ever, this is incredibly important to us. Please - keep up the great work. We really appreciate it! 73, Eric WA6HHQ www.elecraft.com -- On 12/1/2010 7:14 AM, Lee Buller wrote: > I am reluctantly writing this email to the reflector with a very dangerous > subject linebut here it goes. > > My good ham friend came through town on Monday and we ended up going to dinner > with the YLs. As dinner progressed, he asked me what I thought about the > FT-5000 vs the K3. I said that "they would have to pry my K3 out of my cold > dead hands at the end." ... > > I told him about the K3 and that he needed so sit down and work with one. We > bantered back and forth and then he said something rather odd... > > He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" > > I responded, "Heck who knows? Did you ever think Drake would leave the > business or Heathkit kick the bucket? Do you think Ten Tec is going to be > around in 10 years? And why do thing the Japanese companies would be any > better > once you realize General Motors took it on the chin this year." > > He said, "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from a QRP company or any company > that is owned by two guys. What happens when they retired or die?" > > I replied, "Elecraft has their roots in QRP which is a great deal for how they > design their radios, small, compact, and low current drain. They are hardly > an > ex
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Hi Lee, I'm always amazed when I hear comments like your friend made about us. It must be our focus on direct, and personal, customer contact that leads some people to think we are still a tiny company. December 2010 will finish our -twelfth- profitable year of operation and continuous sales growth. And our monthly K3 sales, same month versus a year ago numbers, are up even with the introduction of competing rigs. We are well past working from our basements. :-) A few data points: 1. Since shipping our first K2 from Aptos in January of 1999, Elecraft has grown into a healthy multi-million dollar high-tech company with a broad product line. We have -zero- debt, own all of our inventory, and have a healthy, and very stable, balance sheet. We build our products here in California, just outside of Silicon Valley. We are structured to be here for a long time, and certainly longer than most hams keep a particular rig. We want Elecraft to outlast both of us. 3. How did we do that? Elecraft designs great, high value, products that are fun to use. And our products, like the K3, continue to improve and get new features even -after- you buy them. We run a stable and tight financial ship - carefully trading off an internally financed growth rate versus risk and cash needs. We work hard. We hire great people who continually amaze us with their intelligence, creativity and work ethic. Our customer support team is one of the best. And we enjoy our work. 4. We also carefully listen to, and interact with, our customers daily. We are focused on being the most responsive, and fun, ham radio company to buy from - period. 5. Wayne and I are both healthy guys - a very long way from retirement. We are having a great time bulding and running Elecraft, and plan to do so for some time. But we are not the only people who continue to make Elecraft successful. 6. Our well staffed engineering design team is diverse and strong. I'd wager that it is as large as, or larger, than many HF rig design teams at our competitors. We are well past two guys doing all of the design in our basement labs. Our engineering, support, manufacturing and management people are top notch, with a lot of depth. We have a great team and plan to keep building it for the long haul. 7. We haven't been a 'QRP Only Company' for some time. Yes, in 1999 we first targeted at the QRP market since it was tightly focused, easily marketed to, and was our fastest path to a first product. Its still a great market, too. But we always planned to also offer 100W high-performance rigs, both kit and factory assembled, to compete against the best HF rigs from other QRO manufacturers. That's the major part of the market. I think you can agree we have more than succeeded in that area with the K2 and now the K3. The majority of our rigs go out the door at 100W. We are continually designing a diverse product line, ranging from QRP to QRO. The KPA500, now going into field test, is definitely -not- QRP ;-) But stay tuned for more QRP offerings too! 9. Most important, we have incredibly enthusiastic and supportive customers. You make it fun for us! By telling your friends about Elecraft, the K3, and our other products, you keep us in business every day. You are our best salespeople. The more you enthusiastically tell your friends about our products, in person and on the air, the more new products we can design and sell. In today's economic environment, more than ever, this is incredibly important to us. Please - keep up the great work. We really appreciate it! 73, Eric WA6HHQ www.elecraft.com -- On 12/1/2010 7:14 AM, Lee Buller wrote: > I am reluctantly writing this email to the reflector with a very dangerous > subject linebut here it goes. > > My good ham friend came through town on Monday and we ended up going to dinner > with the YLs. As dinner progressed, he asked me what I thought about the > FT-5000 vs the K3. I said that "they would have to pry my K3 out of my cold > dead hands at the end." ... > > I told him about the K3 and that he needed so sit down and work with one. We > bantered back and forth and then he said something rather odd... > > He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" > > I responded, "Heck who knows? Did you ever think Drake would leave the > business or Heathkit kick the bucket? Do you think Ten Tec is going to be > around in 10 years? And why do thing the Japanese companies would be any > better > once you realize General Motors took it on the chin this year." > > He said, "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from a QRP company or any company > that is owned by two guys. What happens when they retired or die?" > > I replied, "Elecraft has their roots in QRP which is a great deal for how they > design their radios, small, compact, and low current drain. They are hardly > an > exclusive QRP company. But, heck, who knows who re
Re: [Elecraft] Noise reduction
On 11/30/2010 6:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Now, if the NR algorithms could only come close to the "speech in noise" > algorithms that are in my Phonak hearing aids, then that would be a > great accomplishment - good speech fidelity combined with great noise > reduction. - yes, it takes a short bit of time to determine what is > noise and what is speech, but it is very effective - most often used in > a noisy restaurant environment. Yes, I too have Phonak digital hearing aids the VA gave me. They are very effective, and have 4 or 5 "programs" which adapt on the fly. That said, the "noise" they work in does not really resemble on-the-air power line and similar noise. Mainly, they help me sort out someone talking to me from other voices in the background. They do suppress wind noise when driving, and will notch a fire truck or ambulance siren down to tolerable levels. They truly did change my life and my thanks to the US Taxpayers for that, I think they run about $6K a pair. If only I could get a cable that plugs into that tiny programming jack the audiology clinic uses and plug it into the radio :-) I've not found my K3 NR to be all that useful. On CW, it does raise the apparent S/N some, but the signal sounds "pinched" [best description I can come up with] and if there is QSB, it seems to accentuate it. APF is far more useful for me. I'm rarely on SSB, but when I am and use NR, the speech seems to become distorted and far less intelligible. After playing around with it for awhile, I think I think there are too many menu choices for my feeble mind. OFF, LOW, HIGH might be better, or perhaps ON and OFF? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] AF-1 audio filter
I wasn't paying enough attention lately. Does anyone have a comparison of the audio filter in the AF-1 vs the one in the KAF2? I've wanted a low pass filter for a while, and after seeing a youtube video of the AF-1 I think that's what I'm looking for. On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Very nice execution Larry! > > I don't use an outboard audio amp with my AF1. The built-in LM386 amp in the > AF1 drives a pair of outboard speakers for me with good volume. Do you have > an unusually noisy environment? > > 73, > > Ron AC7AC > > > -Original Message- > > Hi, > > With all the chatter about the AF-1 audio filter lately I thought i > would post how I mounted the AF1 and an audio amplifier in a small > case to use with my K2. If anyone is interested you can find the > pictures and comments on my web site at lawrenceingram.com. Click on > the Ham Radio tab and then select the AF-1 article. > > 73, > > Larry Ingram AG4NN -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - ht...@twofifty.com BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] AF-1 audio filter
Very nice execution Larry! I don't use an outboard audio amp with my AF1. The built-in LM386 amp in the AF1 drives a pair of outboard speakers for me with good volume. Do you have an unusually noisy environment? 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Hi, With all the chatter about the AF-1 audio filter lately I thought i would post how I mounted the AF1 and an audio amplifier in a small case to use with my K2. If anyone is interested you can find the pictures and comments on my web site at lawrenceingram.com. Click on the Ham Radio tab and then select the AF-1 article. 73, Larry Ingram AG4NN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Shoot! I'd *love* to see some modern commercial marine gear that is as easy to maintain as the Elecraft rigs. Unfortunately too much Marine gear is bought with the same attitude most home electronic consumers have - initial cost is paramount and the cost of ownership over time is a far distant second. (If it breaks, throw it out ;-) Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Please, please don't get interested in public safety, avionics, marine, NASA, CB, audio, video, 3D, electronics. Happy New Year - 73, Monty K2DLJ >> He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. Will Elecraft?" > > Then my wife said, "You'd better be." > > 73, > Wayne (one of the Two Guys, with two young kids, a mortgage, and visions of future products dancing in my head), > N6KR > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
We are in the same boat. I've been working on and off on a LPD antenna to replace my HB 20-meter monobander. After chasing ZL8X around the bands using just a 40/80 meter inverted vee (22 band/modes worked) I was saying to my wife that maybe I should just breakdown and buy something. She said, "How much?" I said, "About $1500 or so." She said, "Buy it, we have the money." Of course we have the money because I've been frugal. Also she thinks I'll get the bathroom remodeled faster if I'm not working on antennas. :-) Whenever I've thought that there was something that I absolutely, positively couldn't live without, I have just waited a month to see how I felt then. Usually, I could live without it, if not, I bought it. Wes N7WS --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Now that I'm not "saving for > retirement" any more -- I AM retired -- > I have more money to spend on radios than > ever. :>) > > Of course it helps that I paid off all those pesky loans a > while back > and don't owe anyone a dime on anything. Also helps > I've always been > a tightwad, even on radios. > > 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?
Bill - I'm all for the latter suggestion! I had that 25 years ago. At present, there are just a couple of dozen obstacles to overcome to return to similar circumstances. J 73, Dick - KA5KKT PS I don't have the 2nd receiver. You could use a separate noise canceller and RX antenna ahead of each K3 receiver and then listen in diversity. Or you could find some quiet property in the country! :-) 73, Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
What you should have done at the beginning of the conversation, Lee, is sent an e-mail to Wayne and Eric (and also to the president of Vertex). By the time dessert came around, you could probably have read him the reply from Elecraft. On 12/1/2010 7:14 AM, Lee Buller wrote: > So, after this long email explaining the conversation... How do companies, >like > Elecraft, Y, K, I, and T, protect their customers in the future knowing that in > 10 years things could have gone south or the principals might have "moved-on?" __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Herb Johnson leaps to mind. http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/hamradio/silentkey.html Wes, N7WS --- On Wed, 12/1/10, able2...@aol.com wrote: > What has me biting my fingernails is > the value of Elecraft as a company. How long can the "two > guys" resist the inevitable buy out offers? THAT is the > question !! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Yeah, but why stop? I finally got my 83-year old neighbor to investigate the K3. This is the guy with clockwise syndrome and a 30-y/o GriefKit splatter-box. He literally couldn't believe the specs and pricing. He's makin' a move this week - xmas for himself I believe. 73, matt W6NIA At age 53, live like you're 25. My motto. On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:53:37 -0600, you wrote: >Another interesting question is how any manufacturer of ham radio gear is >going to stay in business once we aging boomers stop buying new radios. > >73, > >Scott K9MA (Check 66) > > >Scott Ellington >Madison, Wisconsin >USA > > > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
The Japanese companies do not necessarily provide parts or service for their 'obsolete' rigs for an extended time. I sent a 6-year-old Kenwood 2-meter rig to their 'official' service center and was told that they don't have parts anymore. I managed to fix it myself. You can't count on extended support for anything electronic these days. Elecraft is an exception -- I know I could get support for my K2 if I needed it, and it is around 10 years old! On 12/1/2010 7:14 AM, Lee Buller wrote: > So, after this long email explaining the conversation... How do companies, > like > Elecraft, Y, K, I, and T, protect their customers in the future knowing that > in > 10 years things could have gone south or the principals might have "moved-on?" > Or, like everything else in the worldyou spin the wheel and take your > chance. No guarantees! -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Right on, Wayne! Randy, KS4L On Dec 1, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. >> Will Elecraft?" > > Then my wife said, "You'd better be." > > 73, > Wayne (one of the Two Guys, with two young kids, a mortgage, and visions of > future products dancing in my head), > N6KR > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [P3] Mkr A
Al, Glad you noted the firmware version. I am still on .36! What have I been missing?!! Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:02 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] Mkr A I could have sworn that in the past Mkr A (and B) could be moved around once the trace was frozen, but now the markers are also frozen with the trace. Too bad. I used to use it to make measurements of transient signals. I hope this is temporary. 00.41. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Please, please don't get interested in public safety, avionics, marine, NASA, CB, audio, video, 3D, electronics. Happy New Year - 73, Monty K2DLJ >> He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. >> Will Elecraft?" > > Then my wife said, "You'd better be." > > 73, > Wayne (one of the Two Guys, with two young kids, a mortgage, and visions of > future products dancing in my head), > N6KR > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
What has me biting my fingernails is the value of Elecraft as a company. How long can the "two guys" resist the inevitable buy out offers? THAT is the question !! -Original Message- From: Wayne Burdick To: Lee Buller Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Wed, Dec 1, 2010 10:38 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 > He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. ill Elecraft?" Then my wife said, "You'd better be." 73, ayne (one of the Two Guys, with two young kids, a mortgage, and visions of uture products dancing in my head), 6KR __ lecraft mailing list ome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft elp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm ost: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net lease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 07:14 -0800, Lee Buller wrote: > He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" > > I responded, "Heck who knows? Did you ever think Drake would leave the > business or Heathkit kick the bucket? I worked for Drake back in the days when they were still in the ham radio business. It's interesting to note that their service department continued to fully support the old ham gear for many years after they stopped making it. Nobody was left with an "orphan". We'll see if GM does as well with my Saturn station wagon. :=) Al N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Yup, I just worked ZL8X on 30 meters a while ago. My IC-7000 (soon to be replaced by a K3/P3 combo) could barely hear them off my Butternut HF2V vertical, but once I got the split set to where they were listening, grabbed 'em first call. I know they have some K3's there and I'd almost bet dollars to donuts that the op on the Kermadec end was running one. I'd also bet that if I had a K3 in place of that little IC-7000, I wouldn't have had any trouble hearing them at all. Jim - W0EB > Isn't it amazing the subjects that come up when someone's favorite > non-Elecraft radio company is getting it's butt kicked in the > contest wars. That "more K3 than anything else combined" at the > WRTC really rankled some nerves. I don't think I have ever heard > "will the company still be here in 10 years" used before in a > discussion about what radio to buy. They are really getting > desperate. > > 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] AF-1 audio filter
Hi, With all the chatter about the AF-1 audio filter lately I thought i would post how I mounted the AF1 and an audio amplifier in a small case to use with my K2. If anyone is interested you can find the pictures and comments on my web site at lawrenceingram.com. Click on the Ham Radio tab and then select the AF-1 article. 73, Larry Ingram AG4NN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Bert, I'm happy to spend my hard-earned $ on a foreign company, ie off our shores, like many others around the world who are not American. David G3UNA I also like the fact that my dollars went to folks who > live, work and spend their earnings right here in the USA. I felt that way > before the economic crisis when I purchased my K1 & K2 and feel it is > especially critical now that we do all we can to support our own > infrastructure. > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 -- RFI from external keyer holds PTT in DATA A mode
The K3 is the first rig I've used which switches to the transmit mode when the key is closed in PTT mode (on CW). It doesn't actually transmit, of course, but the the receiver mutes and Key Out closes. Where Key Out is used to control an amplifier and/or external antenna relay, those also switch to transmit mode. It would seem to make more sense for the K3 to ignore the key input in PTT mode when PTT IN is open. Or is there a good reason for this behavior that I'm missing? 73, Scott K9MA On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Here is my question about the K3, it seems to me that when in DATA A mode > that the state of the KEY jack should be ignored. Even if KEY has a > closure, it should not impact PTT in DATA A or SSB modes, or am I > mistaken. > > 73, de Nate >> > > Scott Ellington Madison, Wisconsin USA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Now that I'm not "saving for retirement" any more -- I AM retired -- I have more money to spend on radios than ever. :>) Of course it helps that I paid off all those pesky loans a while back and don't owe anyone a dime on anything. Also helps I've always been a tightwad, even on radios. 73, Guy. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Scott Ellington wrote: > Another interesting question is how any manufacturer of ham radio gear is > going to stay in business once we aging boomers stop buying new radios. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA (Check 66) > > > Scott Ellington > Madison, Wisconsin > USA > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Another interesting question is how any manufacturer of ham radio gear is going to stay in business once we aging boomers stop buying new radios. 73, Scott K9MA (Check 66) Scott Ellington Madison, Wisconsin USA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Isn't it amazing the subjects that come up when someone's favorite non-Elecraft radio company is getting it's butt kicked in the contest wars. That "more K3 than anything else combined" at the WRTC really rankled some nerves. I don't think I have ever heard "will the company still be here in 10 years" used before in a discussion about what radio to buy. They are really getting desperate. 73, Guy. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Lee Buller wrote: > > I am reluctantly writing this email to the reflector with a very dangerous > subject linebut here it goes. > > My good ham friend came through town on Monday and we ended up going to dinner > with the YLs. As dinner progressed, he asked me what I thought about the > FT-5000 vs the K3. I said that "they would have to pry my K3 out of my cold > dead hands at the end." He said that the FT-5000 is pretty spiffy according > to > the QST review and out-guns the K3. I said the K3 is a mature radio yet has > the > power to evolve to even greater "spiffy-ness." > > He is current using a IC-765, which is a good solid rig, but somewhat out of > date. > > I told him about the K3 and that he needed so sit down and work with one. We > bantered back and forth and then he said something rather odd... > > He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" > > I responded, "Heck who knows? Did you ever think Drake would leave the > business or Heathkit kick the bucket? Do you think Ten Tec is going to be > around in 10 years? And why do thing the Japanese companies would be any > better > once you realize General Motors took it on the chin this year." > > He said, "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from a QRP company or any company > that is owned by two guys. What happens when they retired or die?" > > I replied, "Elecraft has their roots in QRP which is a great deal for how they > design their radios, small, compact, and low current drain. They are hardly > an > exclusive QRP company. But, heck, who knows who really owns some of the other > companies, it is just that we know more about Elecraft because they are very > communicative. I don't see a lot of people having direct communication with > the > owners, designers, engineers of the other companies. Besides, I am sure they > have made plans for the future, most companies do." > > My friend said, "Yea right." > > Then we broke the discussion down to how the K3 is going to match the FT-5000. > I said it was all a moot point because you have to look at not only > specifications, but service, quality, ease of upgrades, cost of add-on > features, > price point, and how much you want to spend in the hobby. We started talking > prices. (Later on, my wife asked me...does radios cost that much now-a-days? > She was shocked) > > > So, after this long email explaining the conversation... How do companies, > like > Elecraft, Y, K, I, and T, protect their customers in the future knowing that > in > 10 years things could have gone south or the principals might have "moved-on?" > Or, like everything else in the worldyou spin the wheel and take your > chance. No guarantees! > > I like the two guys from California...I wish them long lives. > > Lee - K0WA > > > > In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you > don't > have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find > any > Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common > Sense divine? > > Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. > - J. Wolf > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Soundly seconded! I also like the fact that my dollars went to folks who live, work and spend their earnings right here in the USA. I felt that way before the economic crisis when I purchased my K1 & K2 and feel it is especially critical now that we do all we can to support our own infrastructure. Just drive around town... ANY town and witness all the "mom & pop" stores that closed down because we wanted to take advantage of those bargains from that huge mega-chain (Pick any one.) with all the cheaply imported goods and their IT and/or telephone customer service departments outsourced offshore. Additionally, check out how they treat their labor. I'd rather spend a few bucks more, thanks. Wayne and Eric, Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm diggin' signals out of the noise floor that I never even heard before at a reasonable cost AND my hard earned dough (or a portion thereof, at least) is making it to a dinner table right here in the USA; NOT Tokyo or Osaka. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI - Original Message - From: "Lee Buller" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:14 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 > I like the two guys from California...I wish them long lives. > > Lee - K0WA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
> He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" Then my wife said, "You'd better be." 73, Wayne (one of the Two Guys, with two young kids, a mortgage, and visions of future products dancing in my head), N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
Lee Buller wrote: > > I like the two guys from California...I wish them long lives. > I also like those two guys from Washington (K6KR and KK7P) and wish them the same. And I wonder if your buddy can name ONE person in the design areas of Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom? Or ONE of the principals of those companies who's intimately involved with ham radio customers. BTW your buddy might also want to check the support life of Yaesu products like the FT-1000D, or their responsiveness in addressing design problems (e.g. 15 years of no attention to serious key click issues in the 1000 family). No contest...IMHO. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-Conversation-about-FT-5000-vs-K3-tp5792220p5792292.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Cancelling
Guy, K2AV wrote: > > The problem with "automatic" is that it needs to know what out of the > composite signal you are getting do you want nullified. You will > still need manual input for this. Further, this is in effect only on > the frequency you are on. Only RF cancellation has the broadband > nullification. > I agree. Using a phasing unit you're combining the desired (i.e. from RX antenna) and undesired (i.e. from noise sense antenna) signals to minimize the combined antenna pattern's rejection of the undesired signal (azimuth and elevation). This allows one to place a null on a localized area of thunderstorm activity (i.e. not just a single coherent signal) by manually adjusting for best overall noise rejection. Of course it also works well to null someone, not in the desired direction, that may be causing QRM (i.e. to the sides or rear), assuming you have a good sense antenna in that direction. It will NOT work well for either noise or QRM generally inline with the desired RX direction. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Diversity-Receive-as-Noise-Cancelling-tp5789335p5792252.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
I am reluctantly writing this email to the reflector with a very dangerous subject linebut here it goes. My good ham friend came through town on Monday and we ended up going to dinner with the YLs. As dinner progressed, he asked me what I thought about the FT-5000 vs the K3. I said that "they would have to pry my K3 out of my cold dead hands at the end." He said that the FT-5000 is pretty spiffy according to the QST review and out-guns the K3. I said the K3 is a mature radio yet has the power to evolve to even greater "spiffy-ness." He is current using a IC-765, which is a good solid rig, but somewhat out of date. I told him about the K3 and that he needed so sit down and work with one. We bantered back and forth and then he said something rather odd... He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. Will Elecraft?" I responded, "Heck who knows? Did you ever think Drake would leave the business or Heathkit kick the bucket? Do you think Ten Tec is going to be around in 10 years? And why do thing the Japanese companies would be any better once you realize General Motors took it on the chin this year." He said, "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from a QRP company or any company that is owned by two guys. What happens when they retired or die?" I replied, "Elecraft has their roots in QRP which is a great deal for how they design their radios, small, compact, and low current drain. They are hardly an exclusive QRP company. But, heck, who knows who really owns some of the other companies, it is just that we know more about Elecraft because they are very communicative. I don't see a lot of people having direct communication with the owners, designers, engineers of the other companies. Besides, I am sure they have made plans for the future, most companies do." My friend said, "Yea right." Then we broke the discussion down to how the K3 is going to match the FT-5000. I said it was all a moot point because you have to look at not only specifications, but service, quality, ease of upgrades, cost of add-on features, price point, and how much you want to spend in the hobby. We started talking prices. (Later on, my wife asked me...does radios cost that much now-a-days? She was shocked) So, after this long email explaining the conversation... How do companies, like Elecraft, Y, K, I, and T, protect their customers in the future knowing that in 10 years things could have gone south or the principals might have "moved-on?" Or, like everything else in the worldyou spin the wheel and take your chance. No guarantees! I like the two guys from California...I wish them long lives. Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - J. Wolf __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 -- RFI from external keyer holds PTT in DATA A mode
This was wierd. I have a Ham Gadgets Master Keyer 1 that seems to be a bit susceptable to RFI (not an issue for this list). Last night I decided to work PSK31 on 40m. My setup with Fldigi uses the rig control command to key and unkey the radio, no hardware PTT is used. The only connections to the K3 were the MK1 to the Key jack and a single lever paddle to the Paddle jack as well as the Line In/Out to the computer and desk mic to the front panel as well as the serial cable to the PC jack. The problem was that when the PSK transmission ended the K3 stayed in TX. As I had experienced RFI on 160m CW from the MK1 before that kept the TX keyed, I uplugged it first and thereafter did not experience the problem with PTT remaining on. I'll need to resolve the MK1's issue separately. Here is my question about the K3, it seems to me that when in DATA A mode that the state of the KEY jack should be ignored. Even if KEY has a closure, it should not impact PTT in DATA A or SSB modes, or am I mistaken. 73, de Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?
Edward Dickinson, III-2 wrote: > > The outboard accessories mentioned here work with only a single source of > noise, as I understand them. Is it feasible that a noise canceling unit > could be designed to utilize two or more sense antennas for multiple noise > sources? > You could use a separate noise canceller and RX antenna ahead of each K3 receiver and then listen in diversity. Or you could find some quiet property in the country! :-) 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-Re-Diversity-Receive-as-Noise-C-anceling-tp5789058p5791603.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: noise reduction performance
James, I concur. There is a noticeable drop in 'audio level' when I activate NR and it does not depend on the settings from what I can tell. I would hope this does creep up the list quite a bit as I feel it has been left as a dormant issue long enough. Gary On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:13 AM, James Sarte (K2QI) wrote: > Hi Lyle! > > Indeed, this is a very subjective issue. One issue though that many will > probably agree with me on is the decrease in audio fidelity whenever NR is > engaged; i.e. volume of speech drops in relation to NR. Would it be > possible to alter the algorithm to prevent this from happening? > > It seems to me like the current NR algorithm reduces *everything* within > the > passband, including spoken word. > > 73, > James K2QI > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > > Psycho-acoustics is fun! Some people swear by the K3 NR, others swear > > at it :-) > > > > Making further changes to the K3 NR remains a possibility, but is not a > > particularly high priority at the moment. Priorities can and do > change... > > > > 73, > > > > Lyle KK7P > > > > > I hope Lyle will read this and perhaps be able to comment directly. > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > -- > 73 de James K2QI > President UNARC/4U1UN > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679, P3 #546 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
