Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Brian Denley]

Sorry about that Alan.

Brian
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> On Oct 8, 2020, at 10:18 PM, a...@elecraft.com wrote:
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> On 10/8/2020 3:57 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 10/7/2020 5:41 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4.
>> 
>> There's been quite a bit from Wayne on this reflector, and updates in their 
>> monthly update. You may have heard that there's a pandemic, and the west 
>> coast has been experiencing massive wildfires.
> 
> I'm one of the Elecraft engineers who lost his home in the California 
> wildfires.  I lost a loaded K3, two of Rose's cases, P3/SVGA/TX-MON, K2, KX3, 
> PX3, W2, XG3, XG50, T1 and lots of other ham and test equipment.  Not to 
> mention my house and all the rest of its contents.
> 
> Now I get to start over.  I'm just about to order some new QSL cards.
> 
> My girlfriend wants me to buy some clothes, but first things first.  :=)
> 
> Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Tom Azlin W7SUA]

Hi Tom,

If your current set up works well, why not just wait until the K4 is 
being delivered. Then choose.


I have the same set up as you for the past ten years. Am happy to wait 
for the call to come to me for a K4. I am in group 2.


73, tom w7sua

On 10/7/2020 5:41 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:

I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4. 
I’ve sent emails to Eric and Wayne, with no response. Telephone calls to 
Elecraft seem to indicate they have no idea either about what is going on. I am 
in the first group for the K4, but think this is unlikely to ever ship!

In the meantime, I am running my K3/P3/KPA500/KTA500. Works well.

So, the purpose of this email is to generate information about what I should 
purchase to replace the K3. My predominant operation is high speed CW, so ask 
is very important to me.

Maybe the Kenwood?

Your thoughts are solicited!

Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[PAUL GACEK via Elecraft]

Hey Alan

My heart goes out to you as your circumstances seem unimaginable to me.

I think 2020 is a year not many of us want to remember and generally if we do 
not too much of it's positive.

Your humor is admirable and should help all round including the un-male thing 
of having to do intensive clothes shopping. 

Paul
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> On Oct 8, 2020, at 7:17 PM, a...@elecraft.com wrote:
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> On 10/8/2020 3:57 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 10/7/2020 5:41 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4.
>> 
>> There's been quite a bit from Wayne on this reflector, and updates in their 
>> monthly update. You may have heard that there's a pandemic, and the west 
>> coast has been experiencing massive wildfires.
> 
> I'm one of the Elecraft engineers who lost his home in the California 
> wildfires.  I lost a loaded K3, two of Rose's cases, P3/SVGA/TX-MON, K2, KX3, 
> PX3, W2, XG3, XG50, T1 and lots of other ham and test equipment.  Not to 
> mention my house and all the rest of its contents.
> 
> Now I get to start over.  I'm just about to order some new QSL cards.
> 
> My girlfriend wants me to buy some clothes, but first things first.  :=)
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[alan]

On 10/8/2020 3:57 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 10/7/2020 5:41 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about 
the K4.


There's been quite a bit from Wayne on this reflector, and updates in 
their monthly update. You may have heard that there's a pandemic, and 
the west coast has been experiencing massive wildfires.


I'm one of the Elecraft engineers who lost his home in the California 
wildfires.  I lost a loaded K3, two of Rose's cases, P3/SVGA/TX-MON, K2, 
KX3, PX3, W2, XG3, XG50, T1 and lots of other ham and test equipment.  
Not to mention my house and all the rest of its contents.


Now I get to start over.  I'm just about to order some new QSL cards.

My girlfriend wants me to buy some clothes, but first things first.  :=)

Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Jim Brown]

On 10/7/2020 5:41 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:

I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4.


There's been quite a bit from Wayne on this reflector, and updates in 
their monthly update. You may have heard that there's a pandemic, and 
the west coast has been experiencing massive wildfires. Both of these 
disasters have caused huge disruption of our lives, businesses, the 
supply chain for every imaginable product. My neighbor K6XX, a 
manufacturing engineer at Elecraft, lost the superstation he had built 
from scratch on 80 acres he had cleared himself. That same fire burned 
out three other neighbor hams, and stopped at the edge of the road 
bordering our land.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now available

[Grant Youngman]

Even if you could do that, it might not be as useful as you expect.  
Sections/topics are linked from a main page and keywords, but not paginated.  
And there’s no page numbered “index” to help you get around.  This is more of a 
greatly expanded “help" function than a typically organized manual.  It would 
be hard to get around in it on paper, unless you did a lot of reformatting 
and/or indexing before printing it.

Just one though on the subject.

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 8, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Nigel Lemaire  wrote:
> 
> I kind of like that the K4 has a built in manual, which is no doubt updated 
> as required AUTOMATICALLY.
> 
> Is there a provision to print out the manual from the K4?  I'm pretty much a 
> "paper person" and print out all my manuals. Not having to revisit the 
> Elecraft web to see if a more recent version of a manual is available would 
> be a  nice bonus IMHO.
> 
> 73
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[Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now available

[Nigel Lemaire]

I kind of like that the K4 has a built in manual, which is no doubt 
updated as required AUTOMATICALLY.


Is there a provision to print out the manual from the K4?  I'm pretty 
much a "paper person" and print out all my manuals. Not having to 
revisit the Elecraft web to see if a more recent version of a manual is 
available would be a  nice bonus IMHO.


73
Nigel
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now available

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Doug,

If someone wants to translate the built-in manual into another language, we'll 
definitely make it accessible. In that case we would have to share the source 
material with them. It's authored as a Google doc so this is easy to do.

73,
Wayne
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> On Oct 8, 2020, at 12:41 PM, turnbull  wrote:
> 
> Wayne fantastic.It would be a real coup if sometime it was possible to 
> add additional languages.   I know this is unreasonable and the suggestions 
> never ending.Such a project, unless some ops took on themselves to 
> produce this translation for their native tongue is insane.Do not look to 
> me for Gaelic.Now how is this for being unreasonable.You guys are 
> doing a fine job.
> 
> 73 Doug EI2CNU
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Wayne Burdick 
> Date: 08/10/2020 18:30 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now available
> 
> The K4 has a complete operating manual built in, accessible by taping the "?" 
> icon at the lower left-hand corner of the screen. This is a convenient 
> supplement to the full owner's manual (in progress).
> 
> The built-in operating manual has small and large screen formats. It's a 
> hyperlinked .html document that will be continuously updated to reflect the 
> current software level. You can tap highlighted links on the LCD to 
> navigating forwards/backwards as in any browser, or search by entering text 
> using the on-screen keyboard. The "LAST CTRL" button allows you to go 
> directly to information pertaining to controls recently used.
> 
> Several early reviewers have vetted a draft of the built-in operating manual 
> (by viewing it with a browser on a computer or mobile device). It has been 
> revised and is now posted on our website, at:
> 
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/K4%20Built-In%20Operating%20Manual%20rev%20A-7/K4BuiltInOperatingManualrevA7.html
> 
> Further suggestions or comments are welcome.
> 
> 
>   NOTE
> 
> 
> The built-in operating manual has a limited number of illustrations, since it 
> is intended to be used from within the radio itself, which provides context. 
> Another way to familiarize yourself with the front panel is to read through 
> the "Introduction to the Elecraft K4", at:
> 
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/Introduction%20to%20the%20Elecraft%20K4,%20rev.%20A-7.pdf
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now available

[turnbull]

Wayne fantastic.    It would be a real coup if sometime it was possible to add 
additional languages.   I know this is unreasonable and the suggestions never 
ending.    Such a project, unless some ops took on themselves to produce this 
translation for their native tongue is insane.    Do not look to me for Gaelic. 
   Now how is this for being unreasonable.    You guys are doing a fine job.73 
Doug EI2CNUSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Wayne Burdick  Date: 
08/10/2020  18:30  (GMT+00:00) To: Elecraft Reflector 
 Subject: [Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now 
available The K4 has a complete operating manual built in, accessible by taping 
the "?" icon at the lower left-hand corner of the screen. This is a convenient 
supplement to the full owner's manual (in progress).The built-in operating 
manual has small and large screen formats. It's a hyperlinked .html document 
that will be continuously updated to reflect the current software level. You 
can tap highlighted links on the LCD to navigating forwards/backwards as in any 
browser, or search by entering text using the on-screen keyboard. The "LAST 
CTRL" button allows you to go directly to information pertaining to controls 
recently used.Several early reviewers have vetted a draft of the built-in 
operating manual (by viewing it with a browser on a computer or mobile device). 
It has been revised and is now posted on our website, 
at:https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/K4%20Built-In%20Operating%20Manual%20rev%20A-7/K4BuiltInOperatingManualrevA7.htmlFurther
 suggestions or comments are welcome.  NOTEThe built-in 
operating manual has a limited number of illustrations, since it is intended to 
be used from within the radio itself, which provides context. Another way to 
familiarize yourself with the front panel is to read through the "Introduction 
to the Elecraft K4", 
at:https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/Introduction%20to%20the%20Elecraft%20K4,%20rev.%20A-7.pdf73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft
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[Elecraft] K4 Status

[Tom Doligalski via Elecraft]

Just got off the phone with Eric. The K4 is steadily shipping, and they are 
working diligently to get through the huge numbers of orders.The company is in 
fine shape, thanks to the huge numbers of orders.

Eric will be posting an update later today.

Tom W4KX


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[Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now available

[Wayne Burdick]

The K4 has a complete operating manual built in, accessible by taping the "?" 
icon at the lower left-hand corner of the screen. This is a convenient 
supplement to the full owner's manual (in progress).

The built-in operating manual has small and large screen formats. It's a 
hyperlinked .html document that will be continuously updated to reflect the 
current software level. You can tap highlighted links on the LCD to navigating 
forwards/backwards as in any browser, or search by entering text using the 
on-screen keyboard. The "LAST CTRL" button allows you to go directly to 
information pertaining to controls recently used.

Several early reviewers have vetted a draft of the built-in operating manual 
(by viewing it with a browser on a computer or mobile device). It has been 
revised and is now posted on our website, at:

https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/K4%20Built-In%20Operating%20Manual%20rev%20A-7/K4BuiltInOperatingManualrevA7.html

Further suggestions or comments are welcome.


  NOTE


The built-in operating manual has a limited number of illustrations, since it 
is intended to be used from within the radio itself, which provides context. 
Another way to familiarize yourself with the front panel is to read through the 
"Introduction to the Elecraft K4", at:

https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/Introduction%20to%20the%20Elecraft%20K4,%20rev.%20A-7.pdf

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[turnbull]

Yea, Good news.    Get some sleep though.   TU Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung 
Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Wayne Burdick  Date: 
08/10/2020  16:59  (GMT+00:00) To: John Shingara  Cc: 
Elecraft Reflector  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 
replacement? Sorry for the infrequent communications from our end. We're all 
working OT on manufacturing ramp-up.Eric will be doing an update very 
soon.73,WayneN6KR> On Oct 8, 2020, at 8:46 AM, John Shingara 
 wrote:> > Tom,> > The Kenwood TS-890 is on my short list 
should I grow too impatient waiting for the K-4.  I have almost pulled the 
trigger many times on it.  > > That said, earlier in this waiting process I 
bought a Flex 6400M and almost immediately regretted it.  Great radio, but not 
an Elecraft and not for me.  I sold it and am now focusing on working my KX3 
and KX2 QRP in the field.  Getting a new shiny transceiver now is wonderful, 
but if it isn’t the one you really want, you may have buyers remorse later.  
Luckily I only lost about $400 on my Flex folly.  I’m waiting for the K4 and 
I’m in the second group so I still have a long wait.  Maybe this time next 
year.  > > John> WB3EYB > >> On Oct 8, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Tom Doligalski via 
Elecraft  wrote:>> >> I am a bit depressed about the 
lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4. I’ve sent emails to Eric and 
Wayne, with no response. Telephone calls to Elecraft seem to indicate they have 
no idea either about what is going on. I am in the first group for the K4, but 
think this is unlikely to ever ship!>> >> In the meantime, I am running my 
K3/P3/KPA500/KTA500. Works well.>> >> So, the purpose of this email is to 
generate information about what I should purchase to replace the K3. My 
predominant operation is high speed CW, so ask is very important to me.>> >> 
Maybe the Kenwood? >> >> Your thoughts are solicited!>> >> Tom W4KX>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Mike Morrow]

> So, the purpose of this email is to generate information about
> what I should purchase to replace the K3. My predominant operation
> is high speed CW, so ask is very important to me.
>
> Maybe the Kenwood? 
>
> Your thoughts are solicited!
>
> Tom W4KX

Get a KX2.  It will probably be at least a couple of years before announcement 
of its replacement will make it instantly obsolete and unusable in the manner 
that the K4 obviously has made your K3 for you.  :-)

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Wayne Burdick]

Sorry for the infrequent communications from our end. We're all working OT on 
manufacturing ramp-up.

Eric will be doing an update very soon.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Oct 8, 2020, at 8:46 AM, John Shingara  wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> The Kenwood TS-890 is on my short list should I grow too impatient waiting 
> for the K-4.  I have almost pulled the trigger many times on it.  
> 
> That said, earlier in this waiting process I bought a Flex 6400M and almost 
> immediately regretted it.  Great radio, but not an Elecraft and not for me.  
> I sold it and am now focusing on working my KX3 and KX2 QRP in the field.  
> Getting a new shiny transceiver now is wonderful, but if it isn’t the one you 
> really want, you may have buyers remorse later.  Luckily I only lost about 
> $400 on my Flex folly.  I’m waiting for the K4 and I’m in the second group so 
> I still have a long wait.  Maybe this time next year.  
> 
> John
> WB3EYB 
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4. 
>> I’ve sent emails to Eric and Wayne, with no response. Telephone calls to 
>> Elecraft seem to indicate they have no idea either about what is going on. I 
>> am in the first group for the K4, but think this is unlikely to ever ship!
>> 
>> In the meantime, I am running my K3/P3/KPA500/KTA500. Works well.
>> 
>> So, the purpose of this email is to generate information about what I should 
>> purchase to replace the K3. My predominant operation is high speed CW, so 
>> ask is very important to me.
>> 
>> Maybe the Kenwood? 
>> 
>> Your thoughts are solicited!
>> 
>> Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Tox]

Thanks. I finally got ny refund for first group K4D. Was looking at a 6400,
because I don't do cw right now, but will take a look at the 890 as well.

73
Scott
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 8:47 AM John Shingara  wrote:

> Tom,
>
> The Kenwood TS-890 is on my short list should I grow too impatient waiting
> for the K-4.  I have almost pulled the trigger many times on it.
>
> That said, earlier in this waiting process I bought a Flex 6400M and
> almost immediately regretted it.  Great radio, but not an Elecraft and not
> for me.  I sold it and am now focusing on working my KX3 and KX2 QRP in the
> field.  Getting a new shiny transceiver now is wonderful, but if it isn’t
> the one you really want, you may have buyers remorse later.  Luckily I only
> lost about $400 on my Flex folly.  I’m waiting for the K4 and I’m in the
> second group so I still have a long wait.  Maybe this time next year.
>
> John
> WB3EYB
>
> > On Oct 8, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the
> K4. I’ve sent emails to Eric and Wayne, with no response. Telephone calls
> to Elecraft seem to indicate they have no idea either about what is going
> on. I am in the first group for the K4, but think this is unlikely to ever
> ship!
> >
> > In the meantime, I am running my K3/P3/KPA500/KTA500. Works well.
> >
> > So, the purpose of this email is to generate information about what I
> should purchase to replace the K3. My predominant operation is high speed
> CW, so ask is very important to me.
> >
> > Maybe the Kenwood?
> >
> > Your thoughts are solicited!
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[John Shingara]

Tom,

The Kenwood TS-890 is on my short list should I grow too impatient waiting for 
the K-4.  I have almost pulled the trigger many times on it.  

That said, earlier in this waiting process I bought a Flex 6400M and almost 
immediately regretted it.  Great radio, but not an Elecraft and not for me.  I 
sold it and am now focusing on working my KX3 and KX2 QRP in the field.  
Getting a new shiny transceiver now is wonderful, but if it isn’t the one you 
really want, you may have buyers remorse later.  Luckily I only lost about $400 
on my Flex folly.  I’m waiting for the K4 and I’m in the second group so I 
still have a long wait.  Maybe this time next year.  

John
WB3EYB 

> On Oct 8, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4. 
> I’ve sent emails to Eric and Wayne, with no response. Telephone calls to 
> Elecraft seem to indicate they have no idea either about what is going on. I 
> am in the first group for the K4, but think this is unlikely to ever ship!
> 
> In the meantime, I am running my K3/P3/KPA500/KTA500. Works well.
> 
> So, the purpose of this email is to generate information about what I should 
> purchase to replace the K3. My predominant operation is high speed CW, so ask 
> is very important to me.
> 
> Maybe the Kenwood? 
> 
> Your thoughts are solicited!
> 
> Tom W4KX
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[Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Tom Doligalski via Elecraft]

I am a bit depressed about the lack of feedback from Elecraft about the K4. 
I’ve sent emails to Eric and Wayne, with no response. Telephone calls to 
Elecraft seem to indicate they have no idea either about what is going on. I am 
in the first group for the K4, but think this is unlikely to ever ship!

In the meantime, I am running my K3/P3/KPA500/KTA500. Works well.

So, the purpose of this email is to generate information about what I should 
purchase to replace the K3. My predominant operation is high speed CW, so ask 
is very important to me.

Maybe the Kenwood? 

Your thoughts are solicited!

Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Jim Brown]

On 10/6/2020 3:13 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

I paid for a Kenwood TS-590S. Actually I have two of them. I don't think this 
radio ever sold for more than about $1,600 and to the best of my recollection 
it's not high on anyone's dirty transmitters list (assuming a Chinese TCXO was 
not fitted).


You're right, Andy  - I've heard from tops ops that own them that the 
TS590s are very nice rigs, and ARRL Lab tests show them much cleaner 
than ICOM and Yaesu. I've recommended it to several hams who can't 
afford Elecraft. (Although used K3s are getting to be a real bargain!).


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Charlie T]

AND, ( stated as kindly as I can) You'll wear out the manual before the
radio.
I was a Yaesu fan-boy, putting up with the seemingly endless menu's all
through the various FT-1000 versions, then came the FT-2Kaput.
I'm cured now and am waiting to save a few buks on the K4Kit.
Guess I should probably sell my couple year old K3S package eh?

73, Charlie k3ICH




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On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:
> FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a
Mic

You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios -- clicks
and splatter have been the rule. Elecraft rigs have always been very clean
on CW, less so on SSB, but nothing like Yaesu on SSB.

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Andy Durbin]

"You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios --"

I'm not sure I see the connection between part 1 and part 2. I paid for a 
Kenwood TS-590S. Actually I have two of them. I don't think this radio ever 
sold for more than about $1,600 and to the best of my recollection it's not 
high on anyone's dirty transmitters list (assuming a Chinese TCXO was not 
fitted).

I have never felt I could have worked more DX with a "better" rig.  Better 
antennas - sure, better rig - no.  My flying sucks up all my money.  None left 
for K4.

Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D Question

[Chris R. NW6V]

Terry,

I could use your self-description by adding "used to" in the context of
contests (I'm up to 297 confirmed and contest opportunities for the rest
are slim to none).

Then I'd add: "lives on tiny urban/city lot surrounded by both horrible QRM
and hills."

My antennas were as you describe: a 2-el 5-band beam up a whopping 30 feet,
and a wire running through and around trees like a demented pretzel at that
same height. And you're right, while diversity thrives on differences, it
doesn't thrive on THOSE differences.

In my quest for DXCC on 40 and 80, I'd added a pair of DXE active receive
verticals and noise canceller in a failed attempt to phase my way through
the s5-s6 noise wall - there were far too many noise sources for
cancellation to be effective. So I was left with a receive antenna that
didn't work all that well in noise-hell, either.

Then, after letting it sit mostly unused for 6 months, I tried diversity
reception.

Wow.

When you're working down near the noise, QSB can kill many a QSO. But even
with my minimal antennas, the way signals "float" as the RF rotates through
polarizations is remarkable to hear: a signal that would otherwise be lost
often comes up in one ear just as it drops in the other...  I recently
worked VK6LW when he was unreadable on either the long-wire or the receive
ant, but was readable with diversity turned on.

It sometimes seems like the difference between mono and stereo music.

Anyway, diversity reception was unquestionably the key to 80M DXCC from
this QTH.

Point is: if my K3 hadn't already had that second receiver, it's unlikely I
would have added one just to try. So if you can swing the cash - like a
good scout: "be prepared."

73 Chris NW6V


Terry N7TB said:
>
> From: 
>
>1.  I am predominantly a CW operator

> 2.  I do enjoy working DX contests, but as a hunt and pounce guy, just
> looking for countries I may have not worked before.  I am not a serious
> contester trying for points and awards.
> 3.  For non-dx contests, I operate at or near QRP levels to see how
> well
> I am getting out on my antennas.
> 4.  I am predominantly a rag chewer on CW,  or casual operator for
> regular CW QSO's.
> 5.  I have two antennas, one a Yagi for 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10 meters.
> The other is an EFHW  for 30 (with tuner) 40 and 80.
>
> I am not sure diversity receive would be all that useful with such
> different
> antennas.
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Jim Brown]

On 10/5/2020 12:06 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
T-bird works super ... mine sorts my mail into various folders and even 
sub folders.  It seems that enough people put the Elecraft model number 
in the subject line that virtually all mail related to that item goes to 
the right folder.  I've found that using the message body is somewhat 
less reliable as someone may drop a "K4" into an email relating to a 
K3.  I'm sure most other email clients can do this as well including web 
mail clients.  I recommend you concentrate on the subject line and keep 
it simple.


Agreed on all counts. I read more than two dozen email reflectors, and 
Thunderbird makes it easy to to sort each into its own mailbox. I've 
never used it to sort topics, but agree that the Subject Line is the 
ideal sort range. I use subject line sorts to sort to the mailboxes.


Thunderbird is very versatile -- it can be set to read by thread, or by 
individual emails. I strongly prefer the latter, because it's easier to 
delete stuff that strays off topic.


I have also filtered a few "from" addresses directly to trash because 
the emails are often argumentative, political, or otherwise unfriendly.


I've never done that -- my delete key works fine.

On 10/5/2020 12:55 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:

> I just use GMail.

I use it only for my gmail address. Compared to Thunderbird, it's brain 
dead.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Jim Brown]

On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:

FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a 
Mic


You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios -- 
clicks and splatter have been the rule. Elecraft rigs have always been 
very clean on CW, less so on SSB, but nothing like Yaesu on SSB.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

[John Shingara]

Thanks everyone for the replies and advice; much appreciated.  This is exactly 
the kind of question I would bring to my SK father so it was very nice to read 
the advice posted as if it were coming from dad.  It was all practical 
interesting. It made me miss having these discussions in his shack while he was 
building some project.  

I have since ordered an Astron RS-70M-AP.   It’s a big old (48 lb) linear and 
more than I will probably ever need.  The 70 was only $10 more than the 50 on 
HRO and it has a cooling fan where the 50 does not so I thought it may be more 
robust.   I plan to run all of my HF from this amp (KX3, KX2, and hopefully 
soon a K4).  I’ll use the PowerWerx SS30DV switcher for my Yaesu FTM-400DR VHF 
and UHF in he shack.  

Thanks again everyone!  

John
WB3EYB

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 10:07 AM, John Shingara  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone!
> 
> Like most here I am waiting for my K4.  Currently I am running the Power Werx 
> SS30DV from the Elecraft site for my KX3 and Kxpa100.  I was planning on 
> buying another for the K4 but thought I would ask opinions first.  I am 
> assembling my first real HF station and going the cry once route.  I would 
> rather pay a bit more up front and get something solid rather than saving a 
> few bucks now only to upgrade later.  
> 
> Given what I intend to spend on the K4, I don’t want to skimp on its PS if 
> spending a bit more will improve performance.  My budget is let’s say $500 
> and my question is would buying a bigger switching or linear PS for the K4 
> make sense?  My KX3 PS has caused me no issues and if that is the way to go I 
> am groovy.  
> 
> Since my father has passed and I inherited his call sign my wife is being 
> very gracious in allowing me to splurge on this hobby that I have only 
> recently taken back up in remembrance of my SK father.  Help me spend some 
> money while the wallet is open.
> 
> My antennas are a Butternut HV 9v vertical, and 3 alpha delta 1/2 wave wire 
> dipoles  80, 40, and 20 meters.  
> 
> Thanks!
> John
> WB3EYB
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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[Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Jim McCook]

I have saved URLs to 10 reflectors, but always have opted _OUT of Email_ 
from all of them.  The saved links are to their _archives_ only, viewing 
by thread.  Some, like the Elecraft reflector and all the groups.io 
lists, are continuous.  Other archives for lists like CQ-Contest, RFI 
list, etc. require changing the month in the saved URL when a new month 
appears.  Not a big problem... takes only seconds each month.


This way I just click on the bookmarked URL for the reflector that I'm 
interested in and view the threads.  I probably view 10% or less of all 
the posts on the Elecraft reflector.  I can't imagine actually getting 
Email from all the posts or having to set up filters for new ones that 
appear that I'm not interested in viewing.  It makes these reflectors 
light years easier to manage as compared to getting all those emails!


73, Jim
W6YA
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Gwen Patton]

I just use GMail. I scroll through my emails and look at the subject. If it
has something in it I don't want to read, I check the box at the left.
After I go through all of them that way (not even opening them yet), I
click the "mark as read" button. All the marked emails get moved out of my
inbox to the "read" portion. They aren't gone, I can go back and read any
of them if I want to, but I don't have to read them NOW. I go to the bottom
of my remaining unread emails, open the last one, and read it. Then I hit
the arrow at the top right, and move to the next email. Lather, rinse,
repeat.

Not all that hard.

If there is something that pops up frequently, I create a filter for it,
and just mark it as read. On rare occasions, I make a folder and send the
offenders to Coventry. Other than that, I read pretty much everything else.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 3:06 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:

> T-bird works super ... mine sorts my mail into various folders and even
> sub folders.  It seems that enough people put the Elecraft model number
> in the subject line that virtually all mail related to that item goes to
> the right folder.  I've found that using the message body is somewhat
> less reliable as someone may drop a "K4" into an email relating to a
> K3.  I'm sure most other email clients can do this as well including web
> mail clients.  I recommend you concentrate on the subject line and keep
> it simple.
>
> I have also filtered a few "from" addresses directly to trash because
> the emails are often argumentative, political, or otherwise unfriendly.
> That doesn't happen much on this list.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 10/5/2020 11:20 AM, N4ZR wrote:
> > Nope, it's not Thunderbird, which has a rich set of filters to trash
> > or transfer e-mails by content of title or body or sender or ...
> >
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> > at , now
> > spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> > For spots, please use your favorite
> > "retail" DX cluster.
> >
> > On 10/5/2020 1:58 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> >> If you can’t send posts with ‘K4' in the title or text to the trash,
> >> then there’s something wrong with your mail client's filter.  I’m not
> >> familiar with Thunderbird, so maybe there’s an issue there.
> >>
> >> I routinely read maybe 20% of the posts I receive from the many
> >> (20+?) reflectors I subscribe to. (or .. 'to which I subscribe”,  to
> >> use what was once called proper grammar).  In any case, DEL is the
> >> best approach, like it or not.  I often read posts that some filter
> >> would have discarded .. and learn something useful.  There were even,
> >> at times, some senders who’s emails I might have filtered out.  But
> >> even those are, far more often than not, highly informative and
> >> useful, and I get past the occasional condescension, and don’t.
> >>
> >> I know this isn’t what you wanted to hear.
> >>
> >> Grant NQ5T
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 5, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have no interest in K4 postings. I have tried all sorts of
> >>> combinations of mail filter setting to dispose of K4 posts without
> >>> success.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure someone out there has managed to do this. If so please
> >>> advise how you did it.
> >>>
> >>> Please don't suggest the delete key, I'm familiar with that.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Fred Jensen]

T-bird works super ... mine sorts my mail into various folders and even 
sub folders.  It seems that enough people put the Elecraft model number 
in the subject line that virtually all mail related to that item goes to 
the right folder.  I've found that using the message body is somewhat 
less reliable as someone may drop a "K4" into an email relating to a 
K3.  I'm sure most other email clients can do this as well including web 
mail clients.  I recommend you concentrate on the subject line and keep 
it simple.


I have also filtered a few "from" addresses directly to trash because 
the emails are often argumentative, political, or otherwise unfriendly.  
That doesn't happen much on this list.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/5/2020 11:20 AM, N4ZR wrote:
Nope, it's not Thunderbird, which has a rich set of filters to trash 
or transfer e-mails by content of title or body or sender or ...


73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at , now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 10/5/2020 1:58 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
If you can’t send posts with ‘K4' in the title or text to the trash, 
then there’s something wrong with your mail client's filter.  I’m not 
familiar with Thunderbird, so maybe there’s an issue there.


I routinely read maybe 20% of the posts I receive from the many 
(20+?) reflectors I subscribe to. (or .. 'to which I subscribe”,  to 
use what was once called proper grammar).  In any case, DEL is the 
best approach, like it or not.  I often read posts that some filter 
would have discarded .. and learn something useful.  There were even, 
at times, some senders who’s emails I might have filtered out.  But 
even those are, far more often than not, highly informative and 
useful, and I get past the occasional condescension, and don’t.


I know this isn’t what you wanted to hear.

Grant NQ5T



On Oct 5, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft 
 wrote:


Hi,

I have no interest in K4 postings. I have tried all sorts of 
combinations of mail filter setting to dispose of K4 posts without 
success.


I'm sure someone out there has managed to do this. If so please 
advise how you did it.


Please don't suggest the delete key, I'm familiar with that.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Mike VE3YF]

Mike:

Have you tried something called Mailwasher. I can set it up with 
filters. Best things I can look thru all my emails while they are on the 
server and delete anything I want before it hits my computer. Good for 
getting rid of spam and virus etc/


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

Easy with Thunderbird,

Make a filter for your incoming mail - If the subject line contains K4, 
move it to whichever folder you would like.


That will work as long as everyone puts 'K4' in the subject line.  For 
the rest, you will have to use the Delete key.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/5/2020 1:22 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:

Hi,

I have no interest in K4 postings. I have tried all sorts of 
combinations of mail filter setting to dispose of K4 posts without success.


I'm sure someone out there has managed to do this. If so please advise 
how you did it.


Please don't suggest the delete key, I'm familiar with that.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[N4ZR]

Nope, it's not Thunderbird, which has a rich set of filters to trash or 
transfer e-mails by content of title or body or sender or ...


73, Pete N4ZR
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On 10/5/2020 1:58 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:

If you can’t send posts with ‘K4' in the title or text to the trash, then 
there’s something wrong with your mail client's filter.  I’m not familiar with 
Thunderbird, so maybe there’s an issue there.

I routinely read maybe 20% of the posts I receive from the many (20+?) 
reflectors I subscribe to. (or .. 'to which I subscribe”,  to use what was once 
called proper grammar).  In any case, DEL is the best approach, like it or not. 
 I often read posts that some filter would have discarded .. and learn 
something useful.  There were even, at times, some senders who’s emails I might 
have filtered out.  But even those are, far more often than not, highly 
informative and useful, and I get past the occasional condescension, and don’t.

I know this isn’t what you wanted to hear.

Grant NQ5T




On Oct 5, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft  
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Hi,

I have no interest in K4 postings. I have tried all sorts of combinations of 
mail filter setting to dispose of K4 posts without success.

I'm sure someone out there has managed to do this. If so please advise how you 
did it.

Please don't suggest the delete key, I'm familiar with that.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Steve KC6ZKT]

I use Thunderbird on some of my machines, Apple Mail on others.

Because Apple Mail leaves even much more to be desired than Thunderbird, 
I was using procmail on my ISP's server to do all of my filtering to 
mailboxes. Later, the authors stopped maintaining it, and I switched to 
a similar, more up-to-date tool. I recommend that you ask your ISP what 
they have installed. If they're running Linux, then they might have 
Pigeonhole [ https://pigeonhole.dovecot.org ] available.


It's much cleaner to do all of the filtering at my mailbox, rather than 
on each desktop, laptop, tablet, or phone I might want to access it from.


On 10/5/20 10:22 AM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:

Hi,

I have no interest in K4 postings. I have tried all sorts of 
combinations of mail filter setting to dispose of K4 posts without success.


I'm sure someone out there has managed to do this. If so please advise 
how you did it.


Please don't suggest the delete key, I'm familiar with that.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Grant Youngman]

If you can’t send posts with ‘K4' in the title or text to the trash, then 
there’s something wrong with your mail client's filter.  I’m not familiar with 
Thunderbird, so maybe there’s an issue there.

I routinely read maybe 20% of the posts I receive from the many (20+?) 
reflectors I subscribe to. (or .. 'to which I subscribe”,  to use what was once 
called proper grammar).  In any case, DEL is the best approach, like it or not. 
 I often read posts that some filter would have discarded .. and learn 
something useful.  There were even, at times, some senders who’s emails I might 
have filtered out.  But even those are, far more often than not, highly 
informative and useful, and I get past the occasional condescension, and don’t.

I know this isn’t what you wanted to hear.

Grant NQ5T



> On Oct 5, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have no interest in K4 postings. I have tried all sorts of combinations of 
> mail filter setting to dispose of K4 posts without success.
> 
> I'm sure someone out there has managed to do this. If so please advise how 
> you did it.
> 
> Please don't suggest the delete key, I'm familiar with that.
> 

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[Elecraft] K4 mail filter for Thunderbird

[Mike Harris via Elecraft]

Hi,

I have no interest in K4 postings. I have tried all sorts of 
combinations of mail filter setting to dispose of K4 posts without success.


I'm sure someone out there has managed to do this. If so please advise 
how you did it.


Please don't suggest the delete key, I'm familiar with that.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

[Wes]

A typo, RS-35M not RM-35.

On 10/5/2020 9:57 AM, Wes wrote:
Congratulations on your return.  As do many, I've used an Astron RM-35 for 
years, have done the floating battery thing, but now use an Astron SS-25. The 
latter out of an interest in efficiency.


Wes  N7WS


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

[Wes]

Congratulations on your return.  As do many, I've used an Astron RM-35 for 
years, have done the floating battery thing, but now use an Astron SS-25. The 
latter out of an interest in efficiency.


Wes  N7WS


On 10/5/2020 7:07 AM, John Shingara wrote:

Hello everyone!

Like most here I am waiting for my K4.  Currently I am running the Power Werx 
SS30DV from the Elecraft site for my KX3 and Kxpa100.  I was planning on buying 
another for the K4 but thought I would ask opinions first.  I am assembling my 
first real HF station and going the cry once route.  I would rather pay a bit 
more up front and get something solid rather than saving a few bucks now only 
to upgrade later.

Given what I intend to spend on the K4, I don’t want to skimp on its PS if 
spending a bit more will improve performance.  My budget is let’s say $500 and 
my question is would buying a bigger switching or linear PS for the K4 make 
sense?  My KX3 PS has caused me no issues and if that is the way to go I am 
groovy.

Since my father has passed and I inherited his call sign my wife is being very 
gracious in allowing me to splurge on this hobby that I have only recently 
taken back up in remembrance of my SK father.  Help me spend some money while 
the wallet is open.

My antennas are a Butternut HV 9v vertical, and 3 alpha delta 1/2 wave wire 
dipoles  80, 40, and 20 meters.

Thanks!
John
WB3EYB

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

[john]

I also have a Powerwerx SS30DV but I just use it only when I travel to  
the caribbean with my K3S. I home I use an Astron 70 amp linear power  
supply. This is obviously oversized but it was in my shack for a  
decades before buying an Elecraft transceiver. If weight is not an  
issue I would look at the Astron linear power supplies.


John KK9A



John Shingara WB3EYB wrote:

Hello everyone!

Like most here I am waiting for my K4.  Currently I am running the  
Power Werx SS30DV from the Elecraft site for my KX3 and Kxpa100.  I  
was planning on buying another for the K4 but thought I would ask  
opinions first.  I am assembling my first real HF station and going  
the cry once route.  I would rather pay a bit more up front and get  
something solid rather than saving a few bucks now only to upgrade  
later.


Given what I intend to spend on the K4, I don’t want to skimp on its  
PS if spending a bit more will improve performance.  My budget is  
let’s say $500 and my question is would buying a bigger switching or  
linear PS for the K4 make sense?  My KX3 PS has caused me no issues  
and if that is the way to go I am groovy.



Thanks!
John
WB3EYB

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

[Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft]

 The power system for my K3/P3 consists of a large SLA AGM battery that is 
float-charged froma West Mountain Radio PGS-40 and an Astron RS-25, which I 
adjusted to 14.2V to accommodatethe drop through the wiring, the PGS-40 and the 
RigRunner. This has kept things very quiet for me,and also keeps me on the air 
through any AC power interruptions, and I use it at both my primaryQTH in south 
Florida as well as my summer residence in western NC. This should fit your 
budget.
73,
Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO
   

- Original Message -
From: John Shingara (lurch...@gmail.com)
Date: 10/05/20 10:09
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

Hello everyone!

Like most here I am waiting for my K4.  Currently I am running the Power Werx 
SS30DV from the Elecraft site for my KX3 and Kxpa100.  I was planning on buying 
another for the K4 but thought I would ask opinions first.  I am assembling my 
first real HF station and going the cry once route.  I would rather pay a bit 
more up front and get something solid rather than saving a few bucks now only 
to upgrade later.  

Given what I intend to spend on the K4, I don’t want to skimp on its PS if 
spending a bit more will improve performance.  My budget is let’s say $500 and 
my question is would buying a bigger switching or linear PS for the K4 make 
sense?  My KX3 PS has caused me no issues and if that is the way to go I am 
groovy.  


Thanks!
John
WB3EYB


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

[Hank via Elecraft]

Assuming the K4 likes a little extras voltage like the K3S (14.2VDC for mine), 
I have been running an Astron RM-50 linear for 10 years or so and would 
recommend it or the 35 amp version.  I modified the voltage sense circuit to 
follow the voltage at the rear of the K3s to help with voltage drop around a 
power gate.  The only time it has been off was for the modification and if the 
AC power fails.

It powers all of my station accessories with a little room to spare.

The power werx switching supply is also on the bench - bought it before my K3s 
for VHF/UHF radios.  It has been repaired once for the choke on the input power 
lead - it failed and made terrible broadband noise.  It is 6 years old.  It has 
a little higher ripple than the Astron - always has.  Probably not a big deal 
though.

My $0.02.

Hank
K4HYJ


- Original Message -
From: John Shingara (lurch...@gmail.com)
Date: 10/05/20 10:09
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

Hello everyone!

Like most here I am waiting for my K4.  Currently I am running the Power Werx 
SS30DV from the Elecraft site for my KX3 and Kxpa100.  I was planning on buying 
another for the K4 but thought I would ask opinions first.  I am assembling my 
first real HF station and going the cry once route.  I would rather pay a bit 
more up front and get something solid rather than saving a few bucks now only 
to upgrade later.  

Given what I intend to spend on the K4, I don’t want to skimp on its PS if 
spending a bit more will improve performance.  My budget is let’s say $500 and 
my question is would buying a bigger switching or linear PS for the K4 make 
sense?  My KX3 PS has caused me no issues and if that is the way to go I am 
groovy.  

Since my father has passed and I inherited his call sign my wife is being very 
gracious in allowing me to splurge on this hobby that I have only recently 
taken back up in remembrance of my SK father.  Help me spend some money while 
the wallet is open.

My antennas are a Butternut HV 9v vertical, and 3 alpha delta 1/2 wave wire 
dipoles  80, 40, and 20 meters.  

Thanks!
John
WB3EYB

Sent from my iPad


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[Elecraft] K4 Power Supply Recommendation

[John Shingara]

Hello everyone!

Like most here I am waiting for my K4.  Currently I am running the Power Werx 
SS30DV from the Elecraft site for my KX3 and Kxpa100.  I was planning on buying 
another for the K4 but thought I would ask opinions first.  I am assembling my 
first real HF station and going the cry once route.  I would rather pay a bit 
more up front and get something solid rather than saving a few bucks now only 
to upgrade later.  

Given what I intend to spend on the K4, I don’t want to skimp on its PS if 
spending a bit more will improve performance.  My budget is let’s say $500 and 
my question is would buying a bigger switching or linear PS for the K4 make 
sense?  My KX3 PS has caused me no issues and if that is the way to go I am 
groovy.  

Since my father has passed and I inherited his call sign my wife is being very 
gracious in allowing me to splurge on this hobby that I have only recently 
taken back up in remembrance of my SK father.  Help me spend some money while 
the wallet is open.

My antennas are a Butternut HV 9v vertical, and 3 alpha delta 1/2 wave wire 
dipoles  80, 40, and 20 meters.  

Thanks!
John
WB3EYB

Sent from my iPad


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

[David Woolley]

As there is not even a block diagram published, I don't know the answer, 
but ideally one would not want baseband analogue audio anywhere in the 
path, so one would not want a sound card, integrated or not, but rather 
direct access to a digital feed from the DSP.



On 04/10/2020 20:07, Terry Brown wrote:

I assume the K4 has an internal sound card to take the place of the signalink


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Mike VE3YF]

Hi:

I fully concur, when you look at the prices we paid for the K3/K3S and 
all those extras, the current price of the K4D seems like a good price 
to me. Sure hoping that my K4D will arrive before Xmas. Only time will 
tell, it will be almost a year since I purchased the K4D. Fingers are 
getting itchy, so much that I went out and bought a couple of those 
stylus pens just for the rig.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D clarification

[stephen shearer]

Terry,

I am most likely at the end of the group, too.
I originally ordered a K4.
I change the order this past spring, to the K4D.
I "don't need" a K4, even.  I have great fun wit a KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100...
I wanted a home station so that the KX3 was my portable station.
I looked at the "D" upgrade as, an "Easter gift" and "the boss" approved.
Yes, I would like to have it for Christmas even if it is a year late.
And it my be Easter 2021...

And as my wife says about buying a dress, it isn't just the dress, it is 
also the accessories...
The accessories will be added this coming Christmas.  Computer, 
Monitor(s), upgrade the coax, and maybe 500 watts + AC power upgrade 
(100 year old house).


73, steve WB3LGC
you can't take it with you.

On 10/4/20 6:24 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:

Hello all,

  


I am sorry if I miscommunicated.  I have received several private emails
thinking I have been called and expect delivery of a K4.   I have NOT been
called.  I was just referring to when that time comes.  I don't expect a
call for months.  I was very late in the first group.

  


I still need some feedback to help me make my decision when that time comes.

  


73,

  


Terry

  


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[Elecraft] K4 vs K4D again

[n7tb]

I just reread my initial posting.  Typo.  I meant to say when I get the
call, not that I got the call.  So sorry everyone.  I know everyone is
really anxious to get their radios!

 

73,

 

Terry

 

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[Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D clarification

[n7tb]

Hello all,

 

I am sorry if I miscommunicated.  I have received several private emails
thinking I have been called and expect delivery of a K4.   I have NOT been
called.  I was just referring to when that time comes.  I don't expect a
call for months.  I was very late in the first group.

 

I still need some feedback to help me make my decision when that time comes.

 

73,

 

Terry

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D Question

[Logan R Zintsmaster]

Given that the K4 can be upgraded to a K4D in the field, why don’t you start 
out with the K4, how it goes, and decide to upgrade later. 
Logan, KE7AZ 

Entropy is winning. 

> On Oct 4, 2020, at 2:25 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> I am rather late in the first prepay group and requested a K4.  I was
> strongly considering upgrading to the K4D when I got the call that my rig
> was about ready to ship.  Now that the pricing is out, I see that it is a
> $900 difference.   That gives me a bit of pause, not because it isn't worth
> the price, but because I am not sure my style of operating would justify it.
> 
> 
> 
> I would appreciate it if some of you with more experience in such things
> might be able to give me some insights.  Here is my operating information:
> 
> 
> 
> 1.I am predominantly a CW operator
> 2.I do enjoy working DX contests, but as a hunt and pounce guy, just
> looking for countries I may have not worked before.  I am not a serious
> contester trying for points and awards.  
> 3.For non-dx contests, I operate at or near QRP levels to see how well
> I am getting out on my antennas.
> 4.I am predominantly a rag chewer on CW,  or casual operator for
> regular CW QSO's.
> 5.I have two antennas, one a Yagi for 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10 meters.
> The other is an EFHW  for 30 (with tuner) 40 and 80.
> 
> 
> 
> I am not sure diversity receive would be all that useful with such different
> antennas.  The yagi is useless as a receive antenna on 30, 40, and 80, and
> the EFHW can receive and transmit on the higher bands, but does not have
> directionality or gain, and the 40 and 80 meter bands are predominantly for
> local and US. operations.  
> 
> 
> 
> I think diversity receive might be useful with QSB conditions if I am
> operating on 20 meters and up and letting the EFHW try to help, but that one
> advantage would not be worth the difference in price for the K4D, especially
> with the band conditions we currently have.  
> 
> 
> 
> If I am going to check a different band, I usually just change bands and
> look at the panadapter to see how active the band is.  Not sure having VFO B
> connected to a different antenna, (like working 20 on the Yagi on A and
> possibly working 40 on the EFHW on B would gain me much.  I would most
> likely just use VFO A, and change bands.
> 
> 
> 
> I look forward to your thoughts and what opportunities I might be missing by
> not getting the K4D.  I would guess there are others in this group that
> would be interested in the responses as they make the same decision.
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D Question

[n7tb]

I am rather late in the first prepay group and requested a K4.  I was
strongly considering upgrading to the K4D when I got the call that my rig
was about ready to ship.  Now that the pricing is out, I see that it is a
$900 difference.   That gives me a bit of pause, not because it isn't worth
the price, but because I am not sure my style of operating would justify it.

 

I would appreciate it if some of you with more experience in such things
might be able to give me some insights.  Here is my operating information:

 

1.  I am predominantly a CW operator
2.  I do enjoy working DX contests, but as a hunt and pounce guy, just
looking for countries I may have not worked before.  I am not a serious
contester trying for points and awards.  
3.  For non-dx contests, I operate at or near QRP levels to see how well
I am getting out on my antennas.
4.  I am predominantly a rag chewer on CW,  or casual operator for
regular CW QSO's.
5.  I have two antennas, one a Yagi for 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10 meters.
The other is an EFHW  for 30 (with tuner) 40 and 80.

 

I am not sure diversity receive would be all that useful with such different
antennas.  The yagi is useless as a receive antenna on 30, 40, and 80, and
the EFHW can receive and transmit on the higher bands, but does not have
directionality or gain, and the 40 and 80 meter bands are predominantly for
local and US. operations.  

 

I think diversity receive might be useful with QSB conditions if I am
operating on 20 meters and up and letting the EFHW try to help, but that one
advantage would not be worth the difference in price for the K4D, especially
with the band conditions we currently have.  

 

If I am going to check a different band, I usually just change bands and
look at the panadapter to see how active the band is.  Not sure having VFO B
connected to a different antenna, (like working 20 on the Yagi on A and
possibly working 40 on the EFHW on B would gain me much.  I would most
likely just use VFO A, and change bands.

 

I look forward to your thoughts and what opportunities I might be missing by
not getting the K4D.  I would guess there are others in this group that
would be interested in the responses as they make the same decision.

 

Thanks so much, and 73,

 

Terry, N7TB

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

[Richard Zalewski]

I am thinking mine for Easter...Group 1 also

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On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 1:56 PM Nr4c  wrote:

> Yes the USB cable does this.
>
> I’m fairly early in Grp 1 and I’m not convinced I’ll see mine before
> Xmas.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 4, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Terry Brown  wrote:
> >
> > I have a KX3 which connects to a signalink that connects to my computer
> for digital modes.
> >
> > I have not owned a K3(S).  I assume the K4 has an internal sound card to
> take the place of the signalink but I don’t know how it interfaces to my
> computer and it’s programs. Is the only thing needed a usb connection
> between the K4 and computer?
> >
> > Hoping to see my K4 by year’s end.   I’m near the end of Group 1 and
> have no idea how many are in Group 1.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > 73,
> > Terry
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Re: [Elecraft] K4/10-F

[Nr4c]

Add about 13-15 DB to your 12W K4/10 output.  

Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 4, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:
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> Two questions:
> 
> Can the K4/10-F be field upgraded to 100 watts at a later time?  That is to 
> say, will there be upgrade kits available not too long after the basic rig is 
> . . . just in case?
> 
> Will the K4/10-F play as well with the KPA-1500 as the K4/100 will?  If so, 
> what RF output from the amp could be expected?
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

[Nr4c]

Yes the USB cable does this. 

I’m fairly early in Grp 1 and I’m not convinced I’ll see mine before Xmas.  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 4, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Terry Brown  wrote:
> 
> I have a KX3 which connects to a signalink that connects to my computer for 
> digital modes. 
> 
> I have not owned a K3(S).  I assume the K4 has an internal sound card to take 
> the place of the signalink but I don’t know how it interfaces to my computer 
> and it’s programs. Is the only thing needed a usb connection between the K4 
> and computer?
> 
> Hoping to see my K4 by year’s end.   I’m near the end of Group 1 and have no 
> idea how many are in Group 1. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 73,
> Terry
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

[Tom Azlin W7SUA]

Yes, same as the USB CAT and sound card for the K3S so you will just 
need a usb cable to your computer. Standard drivers so no need for a 
driver disk like some other radios.


73, tom w7sua

On 10/4/2020 12:07 PM, Terry Brown wrote:

I have a KX3 which connects to a signalink that connects to my computer for 
digital modes.

I have not owned a K3(S).  I assume the K4 has an internal sound card to take 
the place of the signalink but I don’t know how it interfaces to my computer 
and it’s programs. Is the only thing needed a usb connection between the K4 and 
computer?

Hoping to see my K4 by year’s end.   I’m near the end of Group 1 and have no 
idea how many are in Group 1.

Thanks!
73,
Terry

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Re: [Elecraft] K4/10-F

[Wayne Burdick]

 Dauer, Edward  wrote:
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> Can the K4/10-F be field upgraded to 100 watts at a later time?  

Yes. 


> That is to say, will there be upgrade kits available not too long after the 
> basic rig is . . . just in case?

Yes. 


> 
> Will the K4/10-F play as well with the KPA-1500 as the K4/100 will?

Yes. 


>  If so, what RF output from the amp could be expected?

Best guess with 10 W drive and a completely stock amp:  250-400 W, varying by 
band. 

I don’t have a KPA1500 on my bench at the moment. No doubt someone will weigh 
in with a better estimate. 

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Chris Codella, W2PA]

Another way of looking at this is through the lens of history and 
inflation.  In 1969 a set of Drake twins (R-4B, T-4XB, MS-4, AC-4) cost 
$1149.85 (in the 1969 Lafayette Radio catalog).  That translates to 
$8136.60 in 2020.  I daresay that the K4's features and performance are 
just a tad bit better. ;-)


73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

[Neil Zampella]

Terry,

the K4 will connect with a USB cable to your PC, you will not need a
Signalink.  It will have a much better soundcard than the Signalink
provides.    Since the K4 manuals are now online, you can download the
PDF and see for yourself.

FWIW .. you don't need the Signalink with the KX3, just a set of stereo
cables, and a USB soundcard.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 10/4/2020 2:07 PM, Terry Brown wrote:

I have a KX3 which connects to a signalink that connects to my computer for 
digital modes.

I have not owned a K3(S).  I assume the K4 has an internal sound card to take 
the place of the signalink but I don’t know how it interfaces to my computer 
and it’s programs. Is the only thing needed a usb connection between the K4 and 
computer?

Hoping to see my K4 by year’s end.   I’m near the end of Group 1 and have no 
idea how many are in Group 1.

Thanks!
73,
Terry




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[Elecraft] K4/10-F

[Dauer, Edward]

Two questions:

Can the K4/10-F be field upgraded to 100 watts at a later time?  That is to 
say, will there be upgrade kits available not too long after the basic rig is . 
. . just in case?

Will the K4/10-F play as well with the KPA-1500 as the K4/100 will?  If so, 
what RF output from the amp could be expected?

Ted, KN1CBR
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

[Dick Dievendorff]

The K3S, K3 with KIO3B, and K4 all have built-in "sound cards".  I've used this 
capability for FT8 and RTTY with AFSK. 

The single USB cable makes available a "sound card" and a virtual serial port 
that looks to your PC like an RS-232 serial port.

73 de Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

I have a KX3 which connects to a signalink that connects to my computer for 
digital modes. 

I have not owned a K3(S).  I assume the K4 has an internal sound card to take 
the place of the signalink but I don’t know how it interfaces to my computer 
and it’s programs. Is the only thing needed a usb connection between the K4 and 
computer?

Hoping to see my K4 by year’s end.   I’m near the end of Group 1 and have no 
idea how many are in Group 1. 

Thanks!
73,
Terry


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Clay Autery]

Absolutely!

My INITIAL order for K3s w/ P3, etc. was: *$4387.87 in 2016*.
Add in *$570 for more filters* over the years (AM, FM, and HF)
THEN in Dec 2019, I did a final "fill it up" order because I saw the EOL 
coming on things: *$2435.48 fo*r

*SubRX**
**    Gen Coverage and filters for SubRX**
**    2 Meter module and REFLOCk board**
** Pair of Speakers*

All-in, not counting maintenance costs or anything else:

*$7303.35 for a fully outfitted K3s/P3 with dual Receivers and Gen 
Coverage thru HF to 2 meters.*


The K4 looks a LOT more reasonable than one might think from my perspective.

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On 10/04/20 12:41, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

I agree Gary,

I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually 
dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years 
ago ( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far 
as possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.


I'm in the group 2 bunch.

73, tom w7sua



On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:
Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not 
disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.


I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds 
$300.  I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved 
with getting parts, etc.  But there’s another way to look at it.


To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the 
K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least 
one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the 
antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, 
a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such 
as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.


Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  
For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).


Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base 
K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go 
to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices 
do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for 
the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost 
$5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be 
interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my 
$1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the 
FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU 
and a Mic


I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. 
I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is 
dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a 
surprisingly low price.


73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Clay Autery]

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On 10/04/20 12:41, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

I agree Gary,

I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually 
dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years 
ago ( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far 
as possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.


I'm in the group 2 bunch.

73, tom w7sua



On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:
Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not 
disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.


I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds 
$300.  I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved 
with getting parts, etc.  But there’s another way to look at it.


To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the 
K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least 
one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the 
antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, 
a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such 
as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.


Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  
For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).


Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the 
game.


73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base 
K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go 
to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices 
do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for 
the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost 
$5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be 
interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my 
$1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the 
FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU 
and a Mic


I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. 
I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is 
dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a 
surprisingly low price.


73,
Dave N8AG

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[Elecraft] K4 sound card capability

[Terry Brown]

I have a KX3 which connects to a signalink that connects to my computer for 
digital modes. 

I have not owned a K3(S).  I assume the K4 has an internal sound card to take 
the place of the signalink but I don’t know how it interfaces to my computer 
and it’s programs. Is the only thing needed a usb connection between the K4 and 
computer?

Hoping to see my K4 by year’s end.   I’m near the end of Group 1 and have no 
idea how many are in Group 1. 

Thanks!
73,
Terry


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Tom Azlin W7SUA]

I agree Gary,

I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually 
dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years ago 
( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far as 
possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.


I'm in the group 2 bunch.

73, tom w7sua



On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:

Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not disappointed with 
the pricing; I think they did a super job.

I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds $300.  I’m ok 
with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc.  
But there’s another way to look at it.

To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you 
would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow 
SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 
SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve 
probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that 
implies.

Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  For 
example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).

Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Alan Bloom]

Plus the K4 has a large, full-color, touchscreen display, Ethernet LAN, 
several USB ports, flexible antenna switching, etc. And it's all 
integrated in one box.



Alan N1AL


On 10/4/2020 9:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:

Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not disappointed with 
the pricing; I think they did a super job.

I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds $300.  I’m ok 
with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc.  
But there’s another way to look at it.

To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you 
would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow 
SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 
SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve 
probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that 
implies.

Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  For 
example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).

Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[w4sc]

Gary,
To top that off…. It is ALL in one box!
De Ben W4SC

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Gary J Ferdinand]

Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not disappointed with 
the pricing; I think they did a super job.

I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds $300.  I’m ok 
with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc.  
But there’s another way to look at it.

To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you 
would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow 
SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 
SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve 
probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that 
implies.  

Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  For 
example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).

Throw in performance and it’s even better.  

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS



> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
> be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
> turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU 
> ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
> purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
> range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
> had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
> will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D 
> which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 
> 
> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
> continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like 
> crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.
> 
> 73,
> Dave N8AG
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Mike Short]

Save for the factory price and have money for accessories

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 18:48 Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> If they weren't before, then they aren't now, either...yet. Sorry for any
> potential confusion.
>
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Phil Genera  wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
>
> > Ian,
>
> >
>
> > Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer
> than we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> >
>
> > Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>
> >
>
> > Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so
> I've got a check to write...
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Phil
>
> > w1jv
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> > Wayne
>
> > N6KR
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C 
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Eric/Wayne,
>
> > >
>
> > > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
>
> > >
>
> > > 73 de,
>
> > >
>
> > > Ian, NV4C
>
> > > K3 #281 P3 #681
>
> > >
>
> > > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
>
> > >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>
> > >>
>
> > >> K4-F - $4,099.95
>
> > >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
>
> > >> K4HD - TBD
>
> > >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> > >>
>
> > >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Lou, W0FK
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Wayne Burdick]

If they weren't before, then they aren't now, either...yet. Sorry for any 
potential confusion.

Wayne


> On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Phil Genera  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> Ian,
> 
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than 
> we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and 
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved 
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
> 
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory assembly, 
> it won't impact your position in the queue. 
> 
> Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so I've 
> got a check to write...
> 
> -- 
> Phil
> w1jv
>  
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> > 
> > Eric/Wayne,
> > 
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built models, 
> > can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for the kit 
> > versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from the kits 
> > being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for when they 
> > *are* announced.
> > 
> > 73 de,
> > 
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> > 
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >> 
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95 
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD   
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >> 
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >> 
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Phil Genera]

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Ian,
>
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than
> we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>

Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so
I've got a check to write...

-- 
Phil
w1jv


>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> >
> > Eric/Wayne,
> >
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> >
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >>
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >>
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >>
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Settings

[Wayne Burdick]

It's variable, over a wide range (25 to 150 dB).

73,
Wayne
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> On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft 
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> Did I miss it? Is there a gain setting for the db/division vertical scale or 
> is it fixed?  The P3 is variable.   Doug K6JEY
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[Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Settings

[Doug Millar via Elecraft]

Did I miss it? Is there a gain setting for the db/division vertical scale or is 
it fixed?  The P3 is variable.   Doug K6JEY



 
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[Elecraft] Elecraft K4 Kit Prices

[Paul Van Dyke]

It is my humble opinion that a good start  to think about for the price to
save money for a Elecraft K4 Kit is 10% below the cost of a full factory
assembled unit.

 I've been in business for 40 years, and looking at many units, 10% below
is just about right. You must realise that with the K4 and both the K3/K3S,
the circuit boards were compartmentised to the extent that the biggest part
seemed to be assembly of the unit inside the chassis, and testing.

And the KX2/KX2 and the KXPA100 are in the same class..

Paul Van Dyke  KB9AVO
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Ian Kahn]

Wayne,


I completely understand the challenges with getting the kit version ready.
I don't have a prepaid order and am perfectly willing to wait  (although,
admittedly, with baited breath :-) ) for the Elecraft team to be able to
get all the pieces and parts of the kits ready to go, safely and
efficiently.

I am just curious about the estimated cost difference between the factory
version and the kits. I want to start putting aside my pennies now, and
want to have a somewhat reasonable target.

I hope for everyone on the Elecraft team to be and stay safe, both from
COVID and the fires.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 3:51 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Ian,
>
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than
> we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> >
> > Eric/Wayne,
> >
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> >
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >>
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >>
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >>
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Wayne Burdick]

Ian,

Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than we'd 
hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and manufacturing/shipping 
procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved (including me) have been 
preoccupied.

Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory assembly, 
it won't impact your position in the queue. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> 
> Eric/Wayne,
> 
> Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built models, 
> can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for the kit 
> versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from the kits 
> being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for when they 
> *are* announced.
> 
> 73 de,
> 
> Ian, NV4C
> K3 #281 P3 #681
> 
> On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
>> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>> 
>> K4-F - $4,099.95 
>> K4D-F - $4,999.95
>> K4HD - TBD   
>> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>> 
>> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>> 
>> Lou, W0FK
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Ian Kahn, NV4C]

Eric/Wayne,

Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built 
models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be 
for the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out 
from the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start 
saving for when they *are* announced.


73 de,

Ian, NV4C
K3 #281 P3 #681

On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:

For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020

K4-F - $4,099.95
K4D-F - $4,999.95   
K4HD - TBD  
K4/10-F - $3,599.95

https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Transmit Monitor

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Howard,

The K4 will have built-in transmit monitoring. 

Wayne
N6KR

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Howard Saxion via Elecraft 
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> Will the transmit monitor currently used with a P3 work with the K4?  If not, 
> will the K4 have similar functionality provided by the P3 and transmit 
> monitor?
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Macy monkeys]

Mine was made in Japan but I heard others are made in China. 

John K7FD

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H  wrote:
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> where did Yaesu make the new 101 
> 
>> On 10/3/2020 10:08 AM, Macy monkeys wrote:
>> I have the FTdx101D. It wasn't made by workers in America and I don't have a 
>> pipeline to the designers. Those two things alone might be considered worthy 
>> of the extra expense. But K4 performance will be proof of the pudding.
>> 
>> John K7FD
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 
>>> would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the 
>>> K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include 
>>> the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was 
>>> thinking of purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s 
>>> out of my price range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes 
>>> for. I’m glad that I had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I 
>>> have to wonder if one will really be able to tell the difference between 
>>> any K4 and the FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes 
>>> the ATU and a Mic
>>> 
>>> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
>>> continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like 
>>> crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low 
>>> price.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave N8AG
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Bill Steffey NY9H]

where did Yaesu make the new 101 

On 10/3/2020 10:08 AM, Macy monkeys wrote:

I have the FTdx101D. It wasn't made by workers in America and I don't have a 
pipeline to the designers. Those two things alone might be considered worthy of 
the extra expense. But K4 performance will be proof of the pudding.

John K7FD


On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Wes]

IIRC the price for a base K4 was always predicted to be ~$4K.  I'm on the "no 
deposit" list (I think) so my dismay is the extended delivery time.  My 79th 
birthday is later this month and I had hope of treating myself.  But based on my 
experience of being the first kid on the block to have a K3S my time frame to 
buy was one year after deliveries started.


If I simply had to have a new radio now, just to have a new radio, I would buy a 
TS890.  Two things have stopped that (for now), the less then stellar NB/NR 
performance and, this is going to sound anal, the lack of rear panel phone and 
mic jacks.  I dislike cables dangling out of the front of a radio.


Wes  N7WS


On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

  I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Macy monkeys]

I have the FTdx101D. It wasn't made by workers in America and I don't have a 
pipeline to the designers. Those two things alone might be considered worthy of 
the extra expense. But K4 performance will be proof of the pudding.

John K7FD

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
> be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
> turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU 
> ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
> purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
> range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
> had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
> will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D 
> which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 
> 
> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
> continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like 
> crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.
> 
> 73,
> Dave N8AG
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[len]

Dave,

I understand your disappointment, but in reality these little toys of 
ours cost money to design and produce.  Just for fun I googled the K3 and that 
a posting from 2009 eluded that a loaded K3 in 2009 was $3700.  In today's 
money that is 4,522.73.  The 1000$ plus price of the K4 line doesn't appear to 
be unreasonable considering the effort that has gone into its design and new 
features.  

Unfortunately, in our world nothing of quality ever seems to be free.  
I'm mortified every time I go in and buy a new car.  I don't buy cars often, 
but each time I do the prices have more than doubled.  My first new car was 
6,800$, then 15,000$, $30,000, and the last did not quite double rather 
40,000$.  (Our previous car was destroyed in a wreck and replaced sooner.)  And 
worst yet not one of the cars had a resale close to what we paid for it.  

The bottom line here is that you have to pay to play.  If you find 
something that works for you be happy with the experience.  In my book anything 
that give you the experience is what's important.  

YMMV

73

Len


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I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 

 I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Dave]

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 

 I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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[Elecraft] K4 and Transmit Monitor

[Howard Saxion via Elecraft]

Will the transmit monitor currently used with a P3 work with the K4?  If not, 
will the K4 have similar functionality provided by the P3 and transmit monitor?
Howard/WX7HS 
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[Elecraft] K4 Estimated Shipping

[Ken B via Elecraft]

Good afternoon Eric 
Wayne mentioned there would be an update on shipping of the fully paid units. 
Would you be able top please give a "cracked Crystal Ball" estimate to the USA?
Thank you Ken WB8PKK
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Joe DeVincentis]

Thank you.  Madelyn sent me an e-mail yesterday explaining that as well.  
Thanks for the updates.  

Just like a kid on Xmas Eve - I can't wait.  

73,
Joe, KO8V

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 11:14, Eric Swartz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You can add K4 options or change from one model of the radio to another 
> without changing your place in line :-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Eric
> elecraft.com
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 3:16 AM, Joe DeVincentis  wrote:
>> 
>> When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
>> order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the 
>> time of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay 
>> the difference. 
>> 
>> Does anyone have any insight on that?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Joe, KO8V
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Eric Swartz]

Hi Joe,

You can add K4 options or change from one model of the radio to another without 
changing your place in line :-)

73,

Eric
elecraft.com
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> On Oct 1, 2020, at 3:16 AM, Joe DeVincentis  wrote:
> 
> When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
> order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the 
> time of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay the 
> difference. 
> 
> Does anyone have any insight on that?
> 
> 73,
> Joe, KO8V
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 00:39, Eric Swartz  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lou,
>> 
>> You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
>> doing final edits tonight.  :-).
>> 
>> The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>> (Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> *elecraft.com *
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Nr4c]

Assuming they have one to drop into your K4 it should not affect your ship 
date. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:17 AM, Joe DeVincentis  wrote:
> 
> When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
> order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the 
> time of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay the 
> difference. 
> 
> Does anyone have any insight on that?
> 
> 73,
> Joe, KO8V
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 00:39, Eric Swartz  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lou,
>> 
>> You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
>> doing final edits tonight.  :-).
>> 
>> The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>> (Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Lou W0FK]

Kurt Pawlikowski wrote
> Lou,
> 
>      Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F" 
> indicates "Factory Assembled").
> 
>      k WB9FMC

Correct. No kit available yet though

73, Lou W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Conrad PA5Y]

Those prices look OK to me, it depends what happens when the EU dealers add 
their mark-up/import duty.

What I REALLY want to see is the TX IMD for the 10W and 100W versions at 
10/30/50 and 100% PEP.  Please publish this as soon as possible.

My K3S is a great source of disappointment in this respect, especially when I 
look at the superb TX quality from the transverter socket. I really hope that 
the guys have paid more attention to this.

I only operate on 50MHz and above and it may well be that the 10W version with 
a driver amp would be better.  If the TX IMD is good enough, I will buy a K4HD. 
I need the blocking performance for EU VHF contests.

73

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'10' = 10 Watts

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Lou,

Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F"
indicates "Factory Assembled").

k WB9FMC

On 9/30/2020 10:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> K4-F - $4,099.95
> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> K4HD - TBD
> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
> Lou, W0FK
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Jim Finan]

'10' = 10 Watts

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Lou,

    Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F"
indicates "Factory Assembled").

    k WB9FMC

On 9/30/2020 10:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> K4-F - $4,099.95
> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> K4HD - TBD
> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
> Lou, W0FK
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Thorsten Fricke]

Am 01.10.20 um 12:31 schrieb Kurt Pawlikowski:

Lou,

     Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F"
indicates "Factory Assembled").

     k WB9FMC


...

Based on the naming convention up to now I would say it is a factory
assembled K4 with 10W... a QRP K4 ;-)

Or it is a typo

BR
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Kurt Pawlikowski]

Lou,

    Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F" 
indicates "Factory Assembled").


    k WB9FMC

On 9/30/2020 10:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:

For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
K4-F - $4,099.95
K4D-F - $4,999.95   
K4HD - TBD  
K4/10-F - $3,599.95

https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver

Lou, W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Joe DeVincentis]

When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the time 
of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay the 
difference. 

Does anyone have any insight on that?

73,
Joe, KO8V

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 00:39, Eric Swartz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lou,
> 
> You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
> doing final edits tonight.  :-).
> 
> The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> (Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)
> 
> 73,
> Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Eric Swartz]

Hi Lou,

You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
doing final edits tonight.  :-).

The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
(Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)

73,
Eric
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:09 PM Lou W0FK  wrote:

> Eric Norris-2 wrote
> > Book 'em, Dano.  ATU $399.99, same as K3s if memory serves.
> >
> > And here I was staying so calm...
> >
> >
> > 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
> Yes, look under the prices/ordering pull down arrow.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Final Retail Pricing

[Eric Swartz]

Minor correction to my posting:
" We worked hard to keep costs under control and the final price
adjustments reasonable with a retail increase of just $100 for the K4/10
and **K4** versus their prior max deposits, and an increase of $300 for the
K4D.

73,
Eric
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:27 PM Eric Swartz  wrote:

> We've just posted our final retail pricing for the K4 to the Elecraft web
> page.
>
> We worked hard to keep costs under control and the final price adjustments
> reasonable with a retail increase of just $100 for the K4/10 and K4/10
> versus their prior max deposits, and an increase of $300 for the K4D.
>
> K4 Retail Prices:
> K4/10  $3,599.95
> K4:  $4,099.95
> K4D:   $4,999.95
> K4HD  ($ still TBD after final release)
>
> The K4 general info and order page has also been updated at:
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
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> Eric
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[Elecraft] K4 Final Retail Pricing

[Eric Swartz]

We've just posted our final retail pricing for the K4 to the Elecraft web
page.

We worked hard to keep costs under control and the final price adjustments
reasonable with a retail increase of just $100 for the K4/10 and K4/10
versus their prior max deposits, and an increase of $300 for the K4D.

K4 Retail Prices:
K4/10  $3,599.95
K4:  $4,099.95
K4D:   $4,999.95
K4HD  ($ still TBD after final release)

The K4 general info and order page has also been updated at:
https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Lou W0FK]

Eric Norris-2 wrote
> Book 'em, Dano.  ATU $399.99, same as K3s if memory serves.
> 
> And here I was staying so calm...
> 
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM

Yes, look under the prices/ordering pull down arrow.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Eric Norris]

Book 'em, Dano.  ATU $399.99, same as K3s if memory serves.

And here I was staying so calm...


73 Eric WD6DBM

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 8:18 PM Lou W0FK  wrote:

> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>
> K4-F - $4,099.95
> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> K4HD - TBD
> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
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[Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Lou W0FK]

For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020

K4-F - $4,099.95
K4D-F - $4,999.95
K4HD - TBD  
K4/10-F - $3,599.95

https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver

Lou, W0FK



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[Elecraft] K4 shipping update

[Joseph Trombino, Jr]

Howdy Gang.

OK…so it’s almost the end of September and I’m wondering if Elecraft can 
provide any updated shipping info on the K4.

Or, are we looking at yet another delay.

Inquisitive minds wanting to know and all of that stuff.

73, Joe W2KJ
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 IF signal 'OUT' for external application useage

[Edward R Cole]

OK, so the only thing I do with ethernet is connect to the Internet 
via a router.


So would the K4 ethernet connect via the router using a local network 
to communicate with my computer?  I have that option to network my 
printer between multiple computers.


One related question will the ethernet permit separate IQ from main 
and sub Rx (diversity mode with separate antennas)?  I do that with 
my K3 by using both 1st IF's to two LP-Pan which create IQ baseband 
to a four-port soundcard.  I have both LP-Pan phase-locked to a 
single LO to preserve diversity reception.  The computer runs MAP65 
which takes two receiver IQ inputs.

<http://www.kl7uw.com/MAP65.htm>http://www.kl7uw.com/MAP65.htm

Just curious at this point.

73, Ed - KL7UW


Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:30:21 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick 
To: David Gilbert 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 IF signal 'OUT' for external application
useage
Message-ID: <74039e94-753f-4985-ab0c-fa972bdd7...@elecraft.com>
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IQ streaming data from the K4 will be available over Ethernet.

Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K4] K4 Spot and Auto Spot switch/button

[David Box]

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 IF signal 'OUT' for external application useage

[David Gilbert]

VERY cool ...

Thanks es 73,
Dave   AB7E



On 9/24/2020 12:30 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

IQ streaming data from the K4 will be available over Ethernet.

Wayne
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On Sep 24, 2020, at 12:14 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:


Except that an I/Q output would also enable the convenient use of 
other 3rd party software.  If Elecraft didn't bother to include it in 
the K4, I think that's a mistake.


Dave   AB7E



On 9/24/2020 11:58 AM, Buck wrote:
As I recall, there is an HDMI output on the back of the K4.  You can 
choose to have it display the front panel, the panadapter or both on 
an external monitor.


You won't need to use I/Q to an LP-PAN.

Buck, k4ia
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On 9/24/2020 2:51 PM, Brian wrote:


Looking at the recent (though long from complete) K4 guide, I don't 
see an IF OUT per se as I have in the accessory board in my K3 (or 
in fact the output I/Q  from the KX3 I can run directly into my 
sound card on the computer). Does the XVTR IF OUT suffice for this?


The reason I ask is that eventually my LP-PAN is going to die - 
hopefully not soon but I have been using it for quite some time 
now. I use the IF  out from the K3 into the LP-PAN and then into NaP3.


Now I do realize there is a panadapter on the K4 - obviously - but 
I DO enjoy (in fact pretty much need) the large computer display 
for the pana/spectrum display and DO use the NaP3 software controls 
for K3 functions on my keyboard and mouse for tuning and such.
The display on the K4 is not the same thing I don't think. Even 
with some keyboard/mouse controls native to the K4 (?) the display 
size is a deterent to me as it exists. Apologies to the company. I 
assume maybe there MIGHT be a video card OUT re. the K4 panadapter 
at some time, but that is a maybe.. and more money.


I won't be nearly the first to get a K4.. down the line probably as 
I have a K3S here and a K3 at the in-law's property. If I did get 
that 'last final rig' and it was  a K4 (Iikely as I don't have much 
in the shack since 2000 that was not Elecraft) I would, as an older 
fellow then.. want the larger visual display of the computer/IF 
out/NaP3 sort of solution.


So, do I get some IF out I can use?
tnx
Brian VE3VAW


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Re: [Elecraft] "Introduction to the Elecraft K4" manual now available

[Roy]

Excellent! I'm looking forward to generating many new synapses!

Roy,   K6XK

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