Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[jerry]

In my experience all these sleuthing techniques beyond looking at the
sending address are largely a waste of time and money unless you have 
the

ability to pursue the originating entity. My magic is the delete option


*** That's what I mostly do too.  Sometimes, I call my little boy to 
show him.
He's 10 years old, and will surely be getting his own email soon, and he 
needs

to know how to recognize this stuff.

  Speaking of pictures - my mailer has a setting to disable showing them 
inside emails.
It can be selectively enabled for specific addresses.  The reason for 
this is that
when you see a picture inside an email, it's often a link.  Your mailer 
reads the link
and automatically goes & gets the picturefrom the spammer's server.  
Which gives the

spammer a fair amount of information about your machine & environment.

   - Jerry, KF6VB

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Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[Bob]

…and along came AI. The grammatical gaffes will soon become a thing of he
past from the larger producers.

In my experience all these sleuthing techniques beyond looking at the
sending address are largely a waste of time and money unless you have the
ability to pursue the originating entity. My magic is the delete option

Bob KA9MDP

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 09:25 jerry  wrote:

> Once you find the initial IP address in the headers, you can use any
> number
> of online searches to find out who it belongs to.  If you get a notice
> from
> "Fedex", and it's from an IP that belongs to an ISP in Bulgaria, that's
> a pretty
> good hint.
>
> I mostly use this sort of search to satisfy my curiosity - but I
> generally already
> know that it's a scam.  Often the English is bad, there are non-native
> expressions
> etc.  But I don't expect that to continue.
>
>   Sooner or later, the scammers will learn to do perfect American
> English.  Or will they?
>I've heard that grammatical gaffes help select for marks who are not
> smart or well educated -
> because they're where the money is.
>
>  - Jerry, KF6VB
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2024-01-03 07:18, Bill Lederer wrote:
> > If you use google mail/gmail, there is a feature called "Show
> > Original" that you see if you click the three dots in the upper right
> > corner of the email.
> >
> > You can also report phishing from that drop-down.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM jerry  wrote:
> >
> >> The email address means little.  Email systems will accept whatever
> >> you
> >> type in.  What's more meaningful is the originating IP address.
> >> That's
> >> hard to fake.  Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can
> >> see
> >> all the machines that the email passed through.
> >>
> >> - Jerry, KF6VB
> >>
> >> On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> >>> This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that
> >>> displays the originating address.  That "you've won a ..."  e-mail
> >>> from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure
> >>> address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all).  A couple of days
> >> ago,
> >>> I received a message purportedly from a relative of my
> >> sister-in-law,
> >>> who passed away last fall.  Happily, the originating address was a
> >>> giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ".
> >>>
> >>> 73, Pete N4ZR
> >>>
> >>> On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote:
> >>>> I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving
> >> this
> >>>> nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK
> >>>> Government reporting centre.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 Dave G4AON
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Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[jerry]

Once you find the initial IP address in the headers, you can use any 
number
of online searches to find out who it belongs to.  If you get a notice 
from
"Fedex", and it's from an IP that belongs to an ISP in Bulgaria, that's 
a pretty

good hint.

I mostly use this sort of search to satisfy my curiosity - but I 
generally already
know that it's a scam.  Often the English is bad, there are non-native 
expressions

etc.  But I don't expect that to continue.

 Sooner or later, the scammers will learn to do perfect American 
English.  Or will they?
  I've heard that grammatical gaffes help select for marks who are not 
smart or well educated -

because they're where the money is.

- Jerry, KF6VB





On 2024-01-03 07:18, Bill Lederer wrote:

If you use google mail/gmail, there is a feature called "Show
Original" that you see if you click the three dots in the upper right
corner of the email.

You can also report phishing from that drop-down.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM jerry  wrote:


The email address means little.  Email systems will accept whatever
you
type in.  What's more meaningful is the originating IP address.
That's
hard to fake.  Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can
see
all the machines that the email passed through.

- Jerry, KF6VB

On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:

This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that
displays the originating address.  That "you've won a ..."  e-mail
from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure
address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all).  A couple of days

ago,

I received a message purportedly from a relative of my

sister-in-law,

who passed away last fall.  Happily, the originating address was a
giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ".

73, Pete N4ZR

On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote:

I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving

this

nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK
Government reporting centre.

73 Dave G4AON
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Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[Bill Lederer]

If you use google mail/gmail, there is a feature called "Show Original"
that you see if you click the three dots in the upper right corner of the
email.

You can also report phishing from that drop-down.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM jerry  wrote:

> The email address means little.  Email systems will accept whatever you
> type in.  What's more meaningful is the originating IP address.  That's
> hard to fake.  Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can see
> all the machines that the email passed through.
>
> - Jerry, KF6VB
>
>
> On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> > This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that
> > displays the originating address.  That "you've won a ..."  e-mail
> > from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure
> > address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all).  A couple of days ago,
> > I received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law,
> > who passed away last fall.  Happily, the originating address was a
> > giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ".
> >
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> >
> > On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote:
> >> I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this
> >> nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK
> >> Government reporting centre.
> >>
> >> 73 Dave G4AON
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Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[Jim Brown]

On 1/2/2024 6:10 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:

Tbird is what I have used for years.


Same here. It's very well designed software. That ability to see the raw 
code in an email can be helpful with issues like this.


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Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

Tbird is what I have used for years.

73, Pete N4ZR

On 1/2/2024 6:24 PM, Alan D. Wilcox wrote:


Thunderbird has a useful feature:  View->Message Source
If anything questionable comes in, I can check the source without 
opening the email and triggering .


Cheers, Alan

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570-916-9590 (cell, text)
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On 1/2/24 17:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that 
displays the originating address.  That "you've won a ..." e-mail 
from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure 
address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all).  A couple of days 
ago, I received a message purportedly from a relative of my 
sister-in-law, who passed away last fall. Happily, the originating 
address was a giveaway - "Amanda Rosman 
".


73, Pete N4ZR

On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote:

I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this
nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK
Government reporting centre.

73 Dave G4AON
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Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[jerry]

The email address means little.  Email systems will accept whatever you
type in.  What's more meaningful is the originating IP address.  That's
hard to fake.  Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can see
all the machines that the email passed through.

   - Jerry, KF6VB


On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:

This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that
displays the originating address.  That "you've won a ..."  e-mail
from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure
address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all).  A couple of days ago,
I received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law,
who passed away last fall.  Happily, the originating address was a
giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ".

73, Pete N4ZR

On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote:

I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this
nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK
Government reporting centre.

73 Dave G4AON
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Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that 
displays the originating address.  That "you've won a ..."  e-mail from 
a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure address 
(not Home Depot or Walmart, after all).  A couple of days ago, I 
received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law, who 
passed away last fall.  Happily, the originating address was a giveaway 
- "Amanda Rosman ".


73, Pete N4ZR

On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote:

I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this
nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK
Government reporting centre.

73 Dave G4AON
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[Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"

[Dave]

I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this
nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK
Government reporting centre.

73 Dave G4AON
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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[Dean L/ K2WW]

Im with Dave,Wes and Darrell.
Having for sale items is nice and a delete key away.
73
Dean K2WW


On Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:06 AM AB2E Darrell  wrote:

> I also agree with Dave and Wes.
> Keeping up with current resale values is useful to me.
> 73
> Darrell AB2E
> 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> on behalf of Wes 
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 5:22 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.
>
> I'm with Dave on this one.  I see guys setting up complicated email
> filters to
> sort messages into different folders, etc,   I just look at the subject
> and,
> more often that not, hit the delete key.
>
> Since I have a K3 in a box under the desk that I should be selling I'm
> interested in what the market is too. Leave well enough alone.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 10/27/2023 3:34 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> >
> > Why do you think that for sale posts have little value to the list at
> large??
> > I very much appreciate knowing what is available since Elecraft no longer
> > supports such a high percentage of their products, and I appreciate
> knowing
> > what the going prices for those items are.  Why should I have to go to
> > multiple places elsewhere with much lower membership to search for that
> > information?
> >
> > There a LOTS of posts made to the Elecraft reflector that don't interest
> me in
> > the least.  A keypress to delete them takes but an instant and I can sort
> > though an entire day's posts in a matter of seconds ... literally.
> >
> > Dave  AB7E
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/27/2023 1:32 PM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:
> >>
> >>> I believe this used to go out automatically every month, but anyway;
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felecraft.com%2Fpages%2Femail-discussion-list-guidelines&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ceb71de1f57cd4ff801e508dbda21cc9b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638343610941693319%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fIi6zl9R79Wbn39ngAAZZWa6JIQ7ZFd5na1z1ifLsJs%3D&reserved=0
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> >>> Please review,,, and NOTE; we now have over 7000 members!
> >>> (there were only 3000 when Eric wrote this) > Specifically re recent
> >>> discussion see sections;
> >>> 3, 4a, 5, 5a, 5a1, 5b, 8.
> >>
> >> Just an opinion, not trying to start another mail thread:
> >> I would like the list owner to consider restricting forsale messages.
> >>
> >> With the K4 being available and the availability of some K3 options, I
> now
> >> see a flurry of messages from people offloading their kit, or looking
> for
> >> something.
> >>
> >> A discussion about a K3 that has a defect or a modification will benefit
> >> future readers for years to come (yes, I do use the archives which I
> think is
> >> a valuable part of the reflector).
> >>
> >> The flurry of messages "K3 for sale ... K3 has been sold" lost their
> value
> >> the moment the message is on the list. The person offloading doesn't
> care
> >> when he switches to flex or whatever but damage to the archives is
> forever.
> >>
> >> If the reflector degrades to a forsale list then attendance will be
> 6999 and
> >> probably (much) lower.
> >>
> >> Geert Jan
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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[Jerry Moore]

Right, I was just trying to find out how much my setup is worth to help decide 
if I wanted to part with it. 
*shrug*. 
If there's a better place suggest off list I guess. 
Tnx. 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of David Ferrington, M0XDF
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:28 AM
To: AB2E Darrell 
Cc: ElecraftList 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

Agreed
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

> On 31 Oct 2023, at 15:05, AB2E Darrell  wrote:
> 
> I also agree with Dave and Wes.
> Keeping up with current resale values is useful to me.
> 73
> Darrell AB2E
> 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
>  on behalf of Wes 
> 
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 5:22 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.
> 
> I'm with Dave on this one.  I see guys setting up complicated email filters to
> sort messages into different folders, etc,   I just look at the subject and,
> more often that not, hit the delete key.
> 
> Since I have a K3 in a box under the desk that I should be selling I'm 
> interested in what the market is too. Leave well enough alone.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 10/27/2023 3:34 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Why do you think that for sale posts have little value to the list at large??
>> I very much appreciate knowing what is available since Elecraft no 
>> longer supports such a high percentage of their products, and I 
>> appreciate knowing what the going prices for those items are.  Why 
>> should I have to go to multiple places elsewhere with much lower 
>> membership to search for that information?
>> 
>> There a LOTS of posts made to the Elecraft reflector that don't 
>> interest me in the least.  A keypress to delete them takes but an 
>> instant and I can sort though an entire day's posts in a matter of seconds 
>> ... literally.
>> 
>> Dave  AB7E
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Agreed
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

> On 31 Oct 2023, at 15:05, AB2E Darrell  wrote:
> 
> I also agree with Dave and Wes.
> Keeping up with current resale values is useful to me.
> 73
> Darrell AB2E
> 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
> behalf of Wes 
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 5:22 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.
> 
> I'm with Dave on this one.  I see guys setting up complicated email filters to
> sort messages into different folders, etc,   I just look at the subject and,
> more often that not, hit the delete key.
> 
> Since I have a K3 in a box under the desk that I should be selling I'm
> interested in what the market is too. Leave well enough alone.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 10/27/2023 3:34 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Why do you think that for sale posts have little value to the list at large??
>> I very much appreciate knowing what is available since Elecraft no longer
>> supports such a high percentage of their products, and I appreciate knowing
>> what the going prices for those items are.  Why should I have to go to
>> multiple places elsewhere with much lower membership to search for that
>> information?
>> 
>> There a LOTS of posts made to the Elecraft reflector that don't interest me 
>> in
>> the least.  A keypress to delete them takes but an instant and I can sort
>> though an entire day's posts in a matter of seconds ... literally.
>> 
>> Dave  AB7E
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[AB2E Darrell]

I also agree with Dave and Wes.
Keeping up with current resale values is useful to me.
73
Darrell AB2E

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
behalf of Wes 
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 5:22 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

I'm with Dave on this one.  I see guys setting up complicated email filters to
sort messages into different folders, etc,   I just look at the subject and,
more often that not, hit the delete key.

Since I have a K3 in a box under the desk that I should be selling I'm
interested in what the market is too. Leave well enough alone.

Wes  N7WS

On 10/27/2023 3:34 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
>
> Why do you think that for sale posts have little value to the list at large??
> I very much appreciate knowing what is available since Elecraft no longer
> supports such a high percentage of their products, and I appreciate knowing
> what the going prices for those items are.  Why should I have to go to
> multiple places elsewhere with much lower membership to search for that
> information?
>
> There a LOTS of posts made to the Elecraft reflector that don't interest me in
> the least.  A keypress to delete them takes but an instant and I can sort
> though an entire day's posts in a matter of seconds ... literally.
>
> Dave  AB7E
>
>
>
> On 10/27/2023 1:32 PM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:
>>
>>> I believe this used to go out automatically every month, but anyway;
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felecraft.com%2Fpages%2Femail-discussion-list-guidelines&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ceb71de1f57cd4ff801e508dbda21cc9b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638343610941693319%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fIi6zl9R79Wbn39ngAAZZWa6JIQ7ZFd5na1z1ifLsJs%3D&reserved=0<https://elecraft.com/pages/email-discussion-list-guidelines>
>>> Please review,,, and NOTE; we now have over 7000 members!
>>> (there were only 3000 when Eric wrote this) > Specifically re recent
>>> discussion see sections;
>>> 3, 4a, 5, 5a, 5a1, 5b, 8.
>>
>> Just an opinion, not trying to start another mail thread:
>> I would like the list owner to consider restricting forsale messages.
>>
>> With the K4 being available and the availability of some K3 options, I now
>> see a flurry of messages from people offloading their kit, or looking for
>> something.
>>
>> A discussion about a K3 that has a defect or a modification will benefit
>> future readers for years to come (yes, I do use the archives which I think is
>> a valuable part of the reflector).
>>
>> The flurry of messages "K3 for sale ... K3 has been sold" lost their value
>> the moment the message is on the list. The person offloading doesn't care
>> when he switches to flex or whatever but damage to the archives is forever.
>>
>> If the reflector degrades to a forsale list then attendance will be 6999 and
>> probably (much) lower.
>>
>> Geert Jan
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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[Wes]

I'm with Dave on this one.  I see guys setting up complicated email filters to 
sort messages into different folders, etc,   I just look at the subject and, 
more often that not, hit the delete key.


Since I have a K3 in a box under the desk that I should be selling I'm 
interested in what the market is too. Leave well enough alone.


Wes  N7WS

On 10/27/2023 3:34 PM, David Gilbert wrote:



Why do you think that for sale posts have little value to the list at large??  
I very much appreciate knowing what is available since Elecraft no longer 
supports such a high percentage of their products, and I appreciate knowing 
what the going prices for those items are.  Why should I have to go to 
multiple places elsewhere with much lower membership to search for that 
information?


There a LOTS of posts made to the Elecraft reflector that don't interest me in 
the least.  A keypress to delete them takes but an instant and I can sort 
though an entire day's posts in a matter of seconds ... literally.


Dave  AB7E



On 10/27/2023 1:32 PM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:



I believe this used to go out automatically every month, but anyway;
https://elecraft.com/pages/email-discussion-list-guidelines
Please review,,, and NOTE; we now have over 7000 members!
(there were only 3000 when Eric wrote this) > Specifically re recent 
discussion see sections;

3, 4a, 5, 5a, 5a1, 5b, 8.


Just an opinion, not trying to start another mail thread:
I would like the list owner to consider restricting forsale messages.

With the K4 being available and the availability of some K3 options, I now 
see a flurry of messages from people offloading their kit, or looking for 
something.


A discussion about a K3 that has a defect or a modification will benefit 
future readers for years to come (yes, I do use the archives which I think is 
a valuable part of the reflector).


The flurry of messages "K3 for sale ... K3 has been sold" lost their value 
the moment the message is on the list. The person offloading doesn't care 
when he switches to flex or whatever but damage to the archives is forever.


If the reflector degrades to a forsale list then attendance will be 6999 and 
probably (much) lower.


Geert Jan

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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[David Gilbert]

Why do you think that for sale posts have little value to the list at 
large??  I very much appreciate knowing what is available since Elecraft 
no longer supports such a high percentage of their products, and I 
appreciate knowing what the going prices for those items are.  Why 
should I have to go to multiple places elsewhere with much lower 
membership to search for that information?


There a LOTS of posts made to the Elecraft reflector that don't interest 
me in the least.  A keypress to delete them takes but an instant and I 
can sort though an entire day's posts in a matter of seconds ... literally.


Dave  AB7E



On 10/27/2023 1:32 PM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:



I believe this used to go out automatically every month, but anyway;
https://elecraft.com/pages/email-discussion-list-guidelines
Please review,,, and NOTE; we now have over 7000 members!
(there were only 3000 when Eric wrote this) > Specifically re recent 
discussion see sections;

3, 4a, 5, 5a, 5a1, 5b, 8.


Just an opinion, not trying to start another mail thread:
I would like the list owner to consider restricting forsale messages.

With the K4 being available and the availability of some K3 options, I 
now see a flurry of messages from people offloading their kit, or 
looking for something.


A discussion about a K3 that has a defect or a modification will 
benefit future readers for years to come (yes, I do use the archives 
which I think is a valuable part of the reflector).


The flurry of messages "K3 for sale ... K3 has been sold" lost their 
value the moment the message is on the list. The person offloading 
doesn't care when he switches to flex or whatever but damage to the 
archives is forever.


If the reflector degrades to a forsale list then attendance will be 
6999 and probably (much) lower.


Geert Jan
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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[Jim Brown]

Blank email.

This reflector is plain text only, and is known to reject posts with 
HTML-formatting.


73, Jim K9YC

On 10/27/2023 2:52 PM, Rich WC3T wrote:


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[Rich WC3T]

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Re: [Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[Geert Jan de Groot]

I believe this used to go out automatically every month, but anyway;
https://elecraft.com/pages/email-discussion-list-guidelines
Please review,,, and NOTE; we now have over 7000 members!
(there were only 3000 when Eric wrote this) > Specifically re recent discussion 
see sections;
3, 4a, 5, 5a, 5a1, 5b, 8.


Just an opinion, not trying to start another mail thread:
I would like the list owner to consider restricting forsale messages.

With the K4 being available and the availability of some K3 options, I 
now see a flurry of messages from people offloading their kit, or 
looking for something.


A discussion about a K3 that has a defect or a modification will benefit 
future readers for years to come (yes, I do use the archives which I 
think is a valuable part of the reflector).


The flurry of messages "K3 for sale ... K3 has been sold" lost their 
value the moment the message is on the list. The person offloading 
doesn't care when he switches to flex or whatever but damage to the 
archives is forever.


If the reflector degrades to a forsale list then attendance will be 6999 
and probably (much) lower.


Geert Jan
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[Elecraft] List guidelines, please review

[Andy Durbin]

A new user may sign up for this "list" or "reflector" here - 
https://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

This portal does not require a callsign, or even a name, to apply for list 
membership.  It also, as far as I can see, does not specify any rules, or link 
to any rules, for participation.

How would a new member become aware of this list of rules?  Isn't it more usual 
to present the rules to a prospective member before they decide to join.

Andy, k3wyc
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[Elecraft] List guidelines, please review.

[Keith Trinity WE6R]

I believe this used to go out automatically every month, but anyway;
https://elecraft.com/pages/email-discussion-list-guidelines

Please review,,, and NOTE; we now have over 7000 members!
(there were only 3000 when Eric wrote this).

Specifically re recent discussion see sections;
3, 4a, 5, 5a, 5a1, 5b, 8.

And of course 11;
11. And above all, LETS HAVE FUN! We hope that this email discussion 
list is both a good technical resource and serves as a Elecraft 
community gathering place. We enjoy reading it every day and it really 
helps us keep our energy level high so we can continue getting exciting 
new products out the door to you!


https://elecraft.com/pages/email-discussion-list-guidelines
Thanks!
Keith WE6R list manager and K3/K4 Tech
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Re: [Elecraft] List postings and K3’s and K4’s

[Dave]

The K4 is a big improvement over the K3 in terms of sounding significantly
cleaner on receive, it sounds especially sweet at very narrow CW
bandwidths. Controlled envelope SSB is likely to be included in the next
firmware release, which according to Wayne gives a huge increase in talk
power.

There is an interesting review of the K4 on eHam, in which the author
compares it against the top of the range Icom IC-7851 and the 7610… take a
look.

I have no regrets after selling my 2007 vintage early K3 last year and
placing an order for a K4D.

The K3 came out in 2007, still having support, even if additional modules
are in short supply, after all this time isn’t bad going.

Most of the K4 support is on K4 groups.io

73 Dave G4AON
K4D #286

—
“ I have yet to hear a compelling argument on why the K4 is superior to the
K3s ... at least in terms of raw performance.  Lots of creature features,
maybe, but of the two the bang for the dollar still clearly goes to the K3s
in my opinion.

But yes, in many respects Elecraft has left K3/K3s owners in the dust
by putting
all their production focus on the K4.  I'm afraid your hope is not well
founded.

73,
Dave   AB7E”

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Re: [Elecraft] List postings and K3's and K4's

[Robert Strickland via Elecraft]

i sent this again because I couldn't find it. Then, I looked down in the 
K4 bin, and there it was. Victimized by my own message filters. HI. 
Sorry for the noise.

... robert

On 2/24/2022 20:18, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
I've been periodically wondering why there seems to be so few posting to 
the list. I then remind myself that I have a message filter directing 
all K4 messages to a separate bin. Looking there I note that there is a 
great deal of activity/postings. I conclude that the most active list 
members are interested in the K4 or have either bought one or are 
getting ready to do so. That said, I have to believe that the installed 
base of K3's and K3s's is quite large and will remain so. As one of 
these [K3s #11832] I hope that we won't be left in the dust as the K4 
charges by. While fully recognizing the superiority of the K4, my 
circumstances don't include a new radio; also, I'm still learning how to 
maximize utilization of the K3s in front of me. Perhaps it's analogous 
to the relationship between brand new Porsche 911's and 911's from 
previous years: the older ones still pack a punch that most drivers can 
hardly access. All such matters aside, I'm happy for Elecraft's success 
and hope and trust that it continues into the future.


.. robert   KE2WY


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Re: [Elecraft] List postings and K3's and K4's

[David Gilbert]

I have yet to hear a compelling argument on why the K4 is superior to 
the K3s ... at least in terms of raw performance.  Lots of creature 
features, maybe, but of the two the bang for the dollar still clearly 
goes to the K3s in my opinion.


But yes, in many respects Elecraft has left K3/K3s owners in the dust by 
putting all their production focus on the K4.  I'm afraid your hope is 
not well founded.


73,
Dave   AB7E



On 2/24/2022 1:18 PM, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
I've been periodically wondering why there seems to be so few posting 
to the list. I then remind myself that I have a message filter 
directing all K4 messages to a separate bin. Looking there I note that 
there is a great deal of activity/postings. I conclude that the most 
active list members are interested in the K4 or have either bought one 
or are getting ready to do so. That said, I have to believe that the 
installed base of K3's and K3s's is quite large and will remain so. As 
one of these [K3s #11832] I hope that we won't be left in the dust as 
the K4 charges by. While fully recognizing the superiority of the K4, 
my circumstances don't include a new radio; also, I'm still learning 
how to maximize utilization of the K3s in front of me. Perhaps it's 
analogous to the relationship between brand new Porsche 911's and 
911's from previous years: the older ones still pack a punch that most 
drivers can hardly access. All such matters aside, I'm happy for 
Elecraft's success and hope and trust that it continues into the future.


... robert   KE2WY


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Re: [Elecraft] list postings, K3's and K4's

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Re: [Elecraft] list postings, K3's and K4's

[Nate Bargmann]

Sadly, there doesn't seem to be any interest in supporting the K3 any
longer by Elecraft.  Sure, they take them for repair but that is about
it.  There have been no fixes for some nagging issues with the noise
blanker and the noise reduction is still inferior to that from other
manufacturers.  Still, the K3 is the best radio I have owned and remains
on my desk because because of that fact.

When I bought my K3 in autumn of 2010 part of the reason for doing so
was that Elecraft was still offering the K2 after many years and I
thought the company would continue to refine and support the K3 for
years to come and they did for about nine more years which is
respectable.

I am still waiting to read more reports of K4 owners after a couple of
years of ownership and they will come in time as the first owners are
now just emerging from the honeymoon phase.  I have not opted to trade
out my K3 for anything else yet and if I had to, I'm not even sure what
I might choose.

>From what I see on this list, I get a feeling that Elecraft is
struggling to some degree (a lot of companies are/have been struggling
the past couple of years so this is not a unique observation).  I don't
recall a formal response from Elecraft on the issues with the K3 finals
and the overshoot issue.  I think both issues should be addressed not
only toward those of us who bought new from Elecraft directly but also
for the second and beyond owners of the equipment.  I tend to buy new
stuff from companies that support their products well after the first
owner has moved said equipment down the road (probably why when I look
out the window on this wintry day most of our farm equipment says John
Deere).

Those second hand and beyond owners should not be ignored as a good
impression received by them will result in first owner sales that
directly benefit Elecraft.  There was a time when my shack was almost
all Yaesu.  Now I flip the pages right past their ads.

73, Nate, N0NB

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[Elecraft] List postings and K3's and K4's

[Robert Strickland via Elecraft]

I've been periodically wondering why there seems to be so few posting to 
the list. I then remind myself that I have a message filter directing 
all K4 messages to a separate bin. Looking there I note that there is a 
great deal of activity/postings. I conclude that the most active list 
members are interested in the K4 or have either bought one or are 
getting ready to do so. That said, I have to believe that the installed 
base of K3's and K3s's is quite large and will remain so. As one of 
these [K3s #11832] I hope that we won't be left in the dust as the K4 
charges by. While fully recognizing the superiority of the K4, my 
circumstances don't include a new radio; also, I'm still learning how to 
maximize utilization of the K3s in front of me. Perhaps it's analogous 
to the relationship between brand new Porsche 911's and 911's from 
previous years: the older ones still pack a punch that most drivers can 
hardly access. All such matters aside, I'm happy for Elecraft's success 
and hope and trust that it continues into the future.


... robert   KE2WY
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Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
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Syracuse, New York, USA
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Re: [Elecraft] list postings, K3's and K4's

[VE6WZ_Steve]

Pete…

Flex radio has done this for years.

I agree with you. Having the spots ON the spectra display and waterfall is the 
only way to go.
See who is where, what their trace looks like, point and shoot to QSY etc.
I could never go back.

Is this not available on the K4 display?

73, de steve ve6wz


>  Why? Because of the integration with logging and particularly display of 
> spots right on top of the spectrum.  In addition to the straightforward 
> display of signals across the band, the Spectrum Display shows me the 
> callsigns of spotted stations superimposed on the spectrum, as well as the 
> callsigns of stations that would be dupes.  It makes it VERY easy to find a 
> run frequency, and to see when someone moves in on top of you whether you can 
> move aside just a speck and continue running.
> 
> Until someone shows me another good reason, I'm staying with my K3.
> 
> 73, Pete N4ZR

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Re: [Elecraft] list postings, K3's and K4's

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

OK Robert - let me be truly heretical.  I have K3 #4275, and do 99 
percent of my operating in assisted CW contests and CWTs.  I use N1MM 
Logger's Spectrum Display Window, and for my kind of operating I find it 
superior to either the P3 or the K4's spectrum display.  Why? Because of 
the integration with logging and particularly display of spots right on 
top of the spectrum.  In addition to the straightforward display of 
signals across the band, the Spectrum Display shows me the callsigns of 
spotted stations superimposed on the spectrum, as well as the callsigns 
of stations that would be dupes.  It makes it VERY easy to find a run 
frequency, and to see when someone moves in on top of you whether you 
can move aside just a speck and continue running.


Until someone shows me another good reason, I'm staying with my K3.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at .
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 2/24/2022 1:33 PM, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
I've been periodically wondering why there seems to be so few posting 
to the list. I then remind myself that I have a message filter 
directing all K4 messages to a separate bin. Looking there I note that 
there is a great deal of activity/postings. I conclude that the most 
active list members are interested in the K4 or have either bought one 
or are getting ready to do so. That said, I have to believe that the 
installed base of K3's and K3s's is quite large and will remain so. As 
one of these [K3s #11832] I hope that we won't be left in the dust as 
the K4 charges by. While fully recognizing the superiority of the K4, 
my circumstances don't include a new radio; also, I'm still learning 
how to maximize utilization of the K3s in front of me. Perhaps it's 
analogous to the relationship between brand new Porsche 911's and 
911's from previous years: the older ones still pack a punch that most 
drivers can hardly access. All such matters aside, I'm happy for 
Elecraft's success and hope and trust that it continues into the future.


... robert   KE2WY

Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rc...@verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA
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[Elecraft] list postings, K3's and K4's

[Robert Strickland via Elecraft]

I've been periodically wondering why there seems to be so few posting to 
the list. I then remind myself that I have a message filter directing 
all K4 messages to a separate bin. Looking there I note that there is a 
great deal of activity/postings. I conclude that the most active list 
members are interested in the K4 or have either bought one or are 
getting ready to do so. That said, I have to believe that the installed 
base of K3's and K3s's is quite large and will remain so. As one of 
these [K3s #11832] I hope that we won't be left in the dust as the K4 
charges by. While fully recognizing the superiority of the K4, my 
circumstances don't include a new radio; also, I'm still learning how to 
maximize utilization of the K3s in front of me. Perhaps it's analogous 
to the relationship between brand new Porsche 911's and 911's from 
previous years: the older ones still pack a punch that most drivers can 
hardly access. All such matters aside, I'm happy for Elecraft's success 
and hope and trust that it continues into the future.


... robert   KE2WY

Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rc...@verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA
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Re: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT LIST] Using Vintage Collins 30L-1 Linear Amplifier with K2 and/or K3.

[Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP]

Michael,

The low power K2 does not have an amplifier keying output. It is easy to
create one, using the 8R line to operate a transistor switch. Such a
circuit is shown here



and there are others. However, most are designed for a positive keying 
voltage, not a negative one. You would have to modify it if you want to 
key -15v.


The 100-watt K2 /does/ have an amp key output. But it is also designed 
for positive voltages.


The K3 and K3S also have amp key circuits. Although they can handle 
relatively high voltages and currents, they must be positive.


Many "soft-key" circuits do provide a positive keying voltage. Are you 
sure yours doesn't? +15v at 1 ma would be easy for either the 100-watt 
K2 or the K3/K3S to handle. Check it with your DVM.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
CWops #5
Formerly K2VCO
https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 11/02/2021 17:32, Mister Mike wrote:
I have a Collins Radio 30L-1 Linear Amplifier.  I would like to use 
it

with my Elecraft K2 as well as my K3.


I have performed a “soft keying” mod which involves modified the

keying line in the 30L-1 by using a relay from -170 V 70mA (which was
the original specifications) to -15V 1mA. This makes this popular
vintage Collins 30L-1 linear amplifier usable with modern solid state
radios without the possibility of damaging them.


I need to know if this amplifier, modified as described above, would

be safe to use with my Elecraft K2 and/or K3.


73,

Michael, W1RC Marblehead MA 01945 w...@near-fest.com

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[Elecraft] [ELECRAFT LIST] Using Vintage Collins 30L-1 Linear Amplifier with K2 and/or K3.

[Mister Mike]

I have a Collins Radio 30L-1 Linear Amplifier.  I would like to use it with my 
Elecraft K2 as well as my K3. 

I have performed a “soft keying” mod which involves modified the keying line in 
the 30L-1 by using a relay from -170 V 70mA (which was the original 
specifications) to -15V 1mA. This makes this popular vintage Collins 30L-1 
linear amplifier usable with modern solid state radios without the possibility 
of damaging them.

I need to know if this amplifier, modified as described above, would be safe to 
use with my Elecraft K2 and/or K3.

73,

Michael, W1RC
Marblehead MA 01945
w...@near-fest.com



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[Elecraft] List of SSB nets

[Eric Lanzl]

 
Here are the SSB Nets that take place on Sundays. You do nothave to have an 
Elecraft Radio to check in to the net. We ask for the callsign, name, state, 
type of radio. If it is an Elecraft radio the model andserial number. 

20 m. 1800Z  14.303.5 Net Control EricWB9JNZ    IL

40 m. 1900Z  7280    Net Control SteveWM6P   GA
80 m.  0100Z  3942    Net Control Paul    KB9AVO   IN
I could not put this on the list of stations checking in to the net as it 
became too large. Hope to hear you on one or more of the nets. 
Eric Lanzl WB9JNZ

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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Wes Stewart]

No.

On 8/19/2017 2:21 PM, Nr4c wrote:

God. Will it ever end?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Nr4c]

God. Will it ever end?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed.
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Bill]

Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Alan Bee via Elecraft]

I have no emails, browser mode only, look daily, works well.
Only downside is I scan list for items of interest, maybe reply so might reply 
to a thread closed in the last 24 hours having not yet seen the closure 
notice.If more of us move to browser I guess there could be a couple more 
excess posts but only 1 days's worth.My 'vote' is keep the list.73  Alan  G0HIQ
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[Elecraft] List serve or forum?

[Lawrence Wright]

Appreciate all the comments. This approach works just fine for me. In fact it 
is much faster to read. Forums are also excellent but require more work to 
maintain and honestly, I really don't want to log into something else. 

Larry
Ke7ukw

Lawrence Wright, PhD
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Re: [Elecraft] List Overload

[Don Wilhelm]

Ted and all,

I am in agreement with you.  There is benefit in many OT conversations, 
and thankfully Eric allows it.  We learn many things about ham radio in 
general as well as how it applies to Elecraft radios (even if it is only 
about operating/conditions at the time).  There are many OT discussions 
about things related to the hamshack in general including "I have 
RF-in-the-shack" that relate to our use of Elecraft gear.

Discussions of that nature are for the edification of all Elecraft users.

The problem is that there are many "me too" responses, or the 
conversation becomes opinionated or personal.


We can all learn a bit from those OT discussions, but be cautious not to 
overdo it else Eric will shut it down.


If the discussion turns to specifics of one or two persons, take it 
off-list.  Or if the subject is not of interest to the general ham 
community, take it off-list.


The list rules allows individuals to offer "for sale" equipment, but 
those offering commercial services are limited to once a month.  I think 
that is adequate to "get the word out" without disrupting the list.


If you have read this far, I would encourage you to add "OT" to the 
subject line if you make a post that is really off-topic - even if you 
are replying to another post.


73,
Don W3FPR

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2017 3:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:


 --
  I believe both kinds of views are valid, this coming from a confessed but 
unabashed occasional OT-committer.  For some the reflector is a source of 
technical information and exchange about Elecraft products.  Period.  Nothing 
wrong with that.  For others – like me – it’s a conversation place for people 
with a core common interest who eventually come to know each other, some of 
whom they’ve met personally, some of whom they’ve corresponded with off-list, 
some of whom are only in the willing or unwilling audience.  I like to think of 
it as the e-mail equivalent of an OTA net among people who get together now and 
then.  If that view is also valid, which I believe it is, then there ought to 
be some license for OT conversation among friends – within reason and not too 
far from the core common ground.  In addition, if we were absolutely strict 
about the Elecraft-only technical limit, there would be no room for talk of 
antennas, baluns (or chokes as the case may be), lightning protection, 
propagation, power supplies, batteries other than those in Elecraft gear, or a 
google of other useful and instructional topics.  As a participant I try to 
keep my OT departures brief, infrequent, and close to the core, with follow-up 
off list if anyone wants to do that.  I would miss a great deal of the 
camaraderie intrinsic to amateur radio if we couldn’t occasionally draw outside 
the lines.  Something like telling off-color jokes during the monthly poker 
game.


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[Elecraft] List Overload

[Dauer, Edward]

--
 I believe both kinds of views are valid, this coming from a confessed but 
unabashed occasional OT-committer.  For some the reflector is a source of 
technical information and exchange about Elecraft products.  Period.  Nothing 
wrong with that.  For others – like me – it’s a conversation place for people 
with a core common interest who eventually come to know each other, some of 
whom they’ve met personally, some of whom they’ve corresponded with off-list, 
some of whom are only in the willing or unwilling audience.  I like to think of 
it as the e-mail equivalent of an OTA net among people who get together now and 
then.  If that view is also valid, which I believe it is, then there ought to 
be some license for OT conversation among friends – within reason and not too 
far from the core common ground.  In addition, if we were absolutely strict 
about the Elecraft-only technical limit, there would be no room for talk of 
antennas, baluns (or chokes as the case may be), lightning protection, 
propagation, power supplies, batteries other than those in Elecraft gear, or a 
google of other useful and instructional topics.  As a participant I try to 
keep my OT departures brief, infrequent, and close to the core, with follow-up 
off list if anyone wants to do that.  I would miss a great deal of the 
camaraderie intrinsic to amateur radio if we couldn’t occasionally draw outside 
the lines.  Something like telling off-color jokes during the monthly poker 
game.

Ted, KN1CBR

 
Message: 22
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 09:48:39 -0700
From: David Gilbert 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
Elecraft's business.
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed


note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
dripping with irony.

Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
month's equivalent.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[David Gow]

As a relatively new owner of an Elecraft KX3  and all related accessories
this list has been of immense help to me.  It is far more interesting and
well behaved than some other ham lists I read.  When I did sell an Elecraft
manufactured accessory it sold in one hour.at my stated fair price  and I
felt good about not selling it on a n auction site.

73,  Dave W7VM

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Bert Craig  wrote:

> I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set
> up rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez!
>
> Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in.
> Rather than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!
>
> 73 de Bert
> WA2SI
>
> Sent from my android device.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Gilbert 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
> Elecraft's business.
>
>
> note : personal reply
>
> Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with
> Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about
> dripping with irony.
>
> Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic
> headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really
> trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day
> from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time
> writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a
> month's equivalent.
>
> Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.
>
>
>
> On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> > It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> > But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> > (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> > What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> > Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> > When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> > just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> > So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Bert Craig]

I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set up 
rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez! 

Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in. Rather 
than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!

73 de Bert
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Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: David Gilbert 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's 
business.


note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
dripping with irony.

Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
month's equivalent.

Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.



On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
> wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
> topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
> sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
> new toy from another vendor.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[David Gilbert]

note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
dripping with irony.


Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
month's equivalent.


Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.



On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

[Bill Johnson]

That would be better read as Eric.  :0-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill 
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

I think it best to respond to Harry directly, OFF LIST, as he has now created 
the situation he was complaining about.  I have directly responded to him, yet 
my response here has also extended the comments myself.  Besides, this is a job 
best done by Erick.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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[Bill Johnson]

I think it best to respond to Harry directly, OFF LIST, as he has now created 
the situation he was complaining about.  I have directly responded to him, yet 
my response here has also extended the comments myself.  Besides, this is a job 
best done by Erick.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Dave Cole]

Let me clarify my post...  I agree with Harry in that there are a lot of 
off topic discussions.  The Elecraft related stuff, like covers, 
accessories, which were designed for Elecraft products, etc., are not 
the issue for me.


73s and thanks,
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On 05/27/2017 01:51 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

I'm not saying anything.

de va3mw

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole mailto:d...@nk7z.net>> wrote:

I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the
most part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna
because they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to
call it Elecraft related...

Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would
help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT",
(Off Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...

73s and thanks,
Dave
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http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some
tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap
boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they
need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for
a personal sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive
audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other
spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I
just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very
occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business
elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into
being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of
the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I
finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy
it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Michael Walker]

I'm not saying anything.

de va3mw

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the most
> part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna because they
> plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it Elecraft
> related...
>
> Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would help
> us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off Topic),
> to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
>> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
>> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
>> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
>> personal sale.
>> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
>> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
>> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
>> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
>> Elecraft web page.
>> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
>> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
>> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
>> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
>> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
>> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Dave Cole]

I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the 
most part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna because 
they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it 
Elecraft related...


Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would 
help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off 
Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Currently, the only “list overload” is now the multiple threads on list 
overload …. something like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

[Kevin Stover, AC0H]

On 5/27/2017 12:53 PM, Ron Wilcox wrote:

Nurturing a learning environment for all in the hobby who buy elecraft, to me, 
is
important.There have been a few threads that should have been stopped and
were. 


Define learning environment. The Internet is a terrible place to "learn" 
anything. It's 90% advertisement, 5% porn, and 5% information, three 
fourths of which is just plain wrong.



Being offended easily, being grumpy, or unwilling to entertain
other's views is not needed.


Thanks Mom.
I am not offended easily. I am Grumpy, I've earned it. I do not suffer 
fools well, especially those who haven't taken the time to at least skim 
the manual and those people stick out like a putrefied thumb.


I do entertain others views. Many of them are so tragically wrong they 
can't be classified as anything other than entertainment.


There is no guarantee in the US Constitution of never being offended, 
even if some are trying to weasel one in there by hook or by crook. It's 
knife that cuts both ways.




I find it very easy to delete posts I do not
need. 


Ditto.






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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

[Jim Sr Sturges]

The way to encourage more posts like this is to reply to them, he said with
an embarrassed look.

On Sat, 27 May 2017 at 13:55 Ron Wilcox  wrote:

> Harry I would respectfully disagree with some of your post. Because of
> questions from others I have learned a lot about using antennas with my KX2
> while camping, I have been able to investigate side products that work with
> my K3s and have purchased a few of them and they have enhanced my operating
> with my rigs. I would not have known about them otherwise.  I have seen
> posts about some RFI and followed some suggestions that has helped reduce
> my RFI. These may not have been directly elecraft products but they have
> really helped me. Some forums are too strict for me and not very friendly,
> this one has just the right balance for me. Not having an electronics
> background I have learned  a lot. It reminds me of another forum I really
> like, DXlab where no question is to be slighted, and it is a very open
> learning format. I feel the same about this one. Nurturing a learning
> environment for all in the hobby who buy elecraft, to me, is
> important.There have been a few threads that should have been stopped and
> were. Being offended easily, being grumpy, or unwilling to entertain
> other's views is not needed. I find it very easy to delete posts I do not
> need. I hope you stay on because it sounds like you have experience and can
> help others who might be new or not have a technology background. Have a
> great day.
>
> Today is a good day to have a Great Day!
> 73   Ron Wilcox KF7ZN
> RN, BSN
> Secretary Utah DX Club
> ARRL & W5YI VE
> ARRL  Instructor
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Rose  wrote:
>
> > Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily
> become
> > aware of what's available?
> >
> > No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
> > another vendor.
> >
> > Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
> > occasionally "plugged" by list members.
> > I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
> > more efficient than a Google search.
> >
> > FWIW ...
> >
> > K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

There is an absolutely wonderful tool called PopFile that sits between 
your mail client and your mail server, reads all your incoming mail and 
classifies it.


You set up folders, call them K3S or KX3 or Antennas or QRM, and you 
start clicking on messages and telling PopFile "this is Antennas" or 
"This is QRM" and after the first half-dozen are classified, you only 
click on "errors."


You don't even have to know why QRM is QRM.

I respectfully submit that those who think this (relatively quiet and 
fairly tame) list is a problem spend a little time with PopFile.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/27/2017 9:01 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Harry,

I completely disagree.

73

K0PP

On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:


The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
personal sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
a new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

[Ron Wilcox]

Harry I would respectfully disagree with some of your post. Because of
questions from others I have learned a lot about using antennas with my KX2
while camping, I have been able to investigate side products that work with
my K3s and have purchased a few of them and they have enhanced my operating
with my rigs. I would not have known about them otherwise.  I have seen
posts about some RFI and followed some suggestions that has helped reduce
my RFI. These may not have been directly elecraft products but they have
really helped me. Some forums are too strict for me and not very friendly,
this one has just the right balance for me. Not having an electronics
background I have learned  a lot. It reminds me of another forum I really
like, DXlab where no question is to be slighted, and it is a very open
learning format. I feel the same about this one. Nurturing a learning
environment for all in the hobby who buy elecraft, to me, is
important.There have been a few threads that should have been stopped and
were. Being offended easily, being grumpy, or unwilling to entertain
other's views is not needed. I find it very easy to delete posts I do not
need. I hope you stay on because it sounds like you have experience and can
help others who might be new or not have a technology background. Have a
great day.

Today is a good day to have a Great Day!
73   Ron Wilcox KF7ZN
RN, BSN
Secretary Utah DX Club
ARRL & W5YI VE
ARRL  Instructor

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Rose  wrote:

> Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily become
> aware of what's available?
>
> No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
> another vendor.
>
> Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
> occasionally "plugged" by list members.
> I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
> more efficient than a Google search.
>
> FWIW ...
>
> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

[Walter Underwood]

Some high volume lists have two lists, xxx-announce and xxx-discuss. The 
xxx-announce is sometimes a read-only list that can only be posted to be the 
list owners. No replies allowed. The xxx-discuss list is for discussion, of 
course.

I don’t fee the list is too busy, but I’ve been getting thousands of e-mails 
for decades.

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> On May 27, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Rose  wrote:
> 
> Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily become
> aware of what's available?
> 
> No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
> another vendor.
> 
> Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
> occasionally "plugged" by list members.
> I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
> more efficient than a Google search.
> 
> FWIW ...
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

[Rose]

Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily become
aware of what's available?

No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
another vendor.

Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
occasionally "plugged" by list members.
I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
more efficient than a Google search.

FWIW ...

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Dean L]

'Face in the crowd"? Are you serious? Take a look around... Elecraft is a
humble operation that strives to make a quality product at affordable price.

Never had a sip of the kool-aid, just a content customer.

Good luck with your search.

Signed (proudly)

Dean M LaClair

On May 27, 2017 11:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
> a new toy from another vendor.
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Ken G Kopp]

Harry,

I completely disagree.

73

K0PP

On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
> a new toy from another vendor.
>
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[Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
new toy from another vendor.

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[Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[buddy s]

many thanks, to all who provided suggestions.

problem is solved.

i used com0com to establish virtual serial ports.  and, i used win4k3suite
to link HamRadioDeluxe and Logic to the k3 simultaneously.  a vfo change in
any of the 3 software components is reflected in a second or two in the
other two.

after watching the youtube videos, the software installations and
implementations were a piece of cake.

thanks much to the win4k3suite support !  u da best.

73 de
W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
​First Amateur Radio Operator to transmit from all USA State Capitals,
including Alaska and Hawaii, 40 and 75 meters SSB Mobile.​
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-- Forwarded message --
From: buddy s 
Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:31 AM
Subject: list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a
laptop with only com3
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net


i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
simultaneously.

if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.

thanks, es

73 de
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Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[N2TK, Tony]

Max,

Tnx for the info. When I get home will check out the Acom/LP-Bridge interface.

 

I have both K3’s set up similarly – one set of settings for CW and one set for 
SSB, which the K3 remembers. I have not changed them in a long time and see no 
reason to change them frequently. Both rigs are set up for contesting and DXing.

LP-Bridge gas been very reliable. Looks like I may stay with it for now once I 
get the Acom setup with it. Yes, once I send a dit the Acom will setup, but I 
like the idea that it is tracking my receiver.

 

73,

N2TK/NP2 (KP2M), Tony

 

From: M. George [mailto:m.matthew.geo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:38 PM
To: N2TK, Tony 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with 
k3 and a laptop with only com3

 

Hi Tony, first off I can help you with LP-Bridge sending data to your ACOM 
2000a.  In LP-Bridge, the read only outputs are hard coded to the kenwood 
protocol at 4800 baud.  So you can use LP-Bridge to get your ACOM 2000a to 
track your K3 if you set the ACOM 2000A to Kenwood on the radio interface.  I 
had this configured and working on Jim's W7CT's setup a few months back.  I 
exchanged a few emails with Larry N8LP and he pointed out the hard coded 
Kenwood / 4800 baud protocol on the output option in LP-Bridge.

 

Like you I didn't get excited about Win4K3Suite at first and I too saw the RX 
eq settings reset.  But after thinking through it, I love the RX eq settings 
being controlled by Win4K3Suite now.  There is no way to do that from a K3 
macro as far as I know... on the RX side.  So with Win4K3Suite, you can store 
RX eq presents and switch between them on the fly AND you can change the RX eq 
settings in real-time and hear the change, you can't do this via the Config 
menu.

 

It does take a few seconds for Win4K3Suite to manipulate the RX eq settings 
because it's doing some tricks to change the settings on the fly.

 

The reason Win4K3Suite resets the eq settings is because there is no way to 
read the settings from the K3 to store them in the first place... so it resets 
the settings for TX and RX eq at start up and then once you change them in 
W4K3S and exit Win4K3Suite it stores them in the Win4K3Suite config on disk... 
so then the next time you start up, it restores the settings to your K3.  I was 
annoyed by this until I read Tom's FAQ here: http://va2fsq.com/faq/  Then the 
light turned on.  There is no way to read settings from the K3 eq, so to 
externalize this, Tom is working around that limitation.  Once you set them up 
in W4K3S you are golden.  And it's a major bonus to changes those on the fly as 
I have described.  BTW, I'm just a happy user of W4K3S if you are wondering... 
I have no reason to try and tout it other than I have been happy with the 
updates and support.

 

Even if you don't use the spectrum display in W4K3S, based on my many year 
experience with LP-Bridge and NaP3, I still think it's well worth it on how it 
shares the K3 CAT data.  It has been totally reliable too...

 

Anyway, give it another try and play around with the multiple and dynamic 
UI settings for the eq in your K3.  

 

Max NG7M

 

 

 

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:06 PM, N2TK, Tony mailto:tony@verizon.net> > wrote:

I have been using LP-Bridge since its inception without major issues.
I had tried Win4K3Suite one day. I did not spend much time with it, but two
things didn't seem right. Maybe I just didn't know what I was doing though.
It seemed each time I started the program I lost the equalizer settings and
had to reenter them.
Also there was an issue about the resolution had to be set to 3 decimal
places. I would rather have the resolution to two decimal places for CW and
for SSB depending if I am running or just going up and down the band I want
to have 1 or two decimal places.
And again, maybe I just didn't know what I was doing. And since LP-Bridge
handles all of my devices fine I didn't get too serious with Win4K3Suite. I
have the P3 with external monitor so not too interested in another band
scope.
The one thing I can't seem to do with LP-Bridge is have the Acom 2000A track
my K3's receive frequency in order to pretune. I have N4PY's program doing
that in the background.

Tell me I didn't do things correctly and that if I set up Win4K3Suite
properly I  can just start the program and it will start my other interface
programs such as N1MM+, DXBase, AXETTY,  like LP-Bride and be seamless.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
<mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> ] On Behalf Of M.
George
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:36 PM
Cc: Elecraft Reflector mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> >
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic
with k3 and a laptop with only com3

I used L

Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[M. George]

Hi Tony, first off I can help you with LP-Bridge sending data to your ACOM
2000a.  In LP-Bridge, the read only outputs are hard coded to the kenwood
protocol at 4800 baud.  So you can use LP-Bridge to get your ACOM 2000a to
track your K3 if you set the ACOM 2000A to Kenwood on the radio interface.
I had this configured and working on Jim's W7CT's setup a few months back.
I exchanged a few emails with Larry N8LP and he pointed out the hard coded
Kenwood / 4800 baud protocol on the output option in LP-Bridge.

Like you I didn't get excited about Win4K3Suite at first and I too saw the
RX eq settings reset.  But after thinking through it, I love the RX eq
settings being controlled by Win4K3Suite now.  There is no way to do that
from a K3 macro as far as I know... on the RX side.  So with Win4K3Suite,
you can store RX eq presents and switch between them on the fly AND you can
change the RX eq settings in real-time and hear the change, you can't do
this via the Config menu.

It does take a few seconds for Win4K3Suite to manipulate the RX eq settings
because it's doing some tricks to change the settings on the fly.

The reason Win4K3Suite resets the eq settings is because there is no way to
read the settings from the K3 to store them in the first place... so it
resets the settings for TX and RX eq at start up and then once you change
them in W4K3S and exit Win4K3Suite it stores them in the Win4K3Suite config
on disk... so then the next time you start up, it restores the settings to
your K3.  I was annoyed by this until I read Tom's FAQ here:
http://va2fsq.com/faq/  Then the light turned on.  There is no way to read
settings from the K3 eq, so to externalize this, Tom is working around that
limitation.  Once you set them up in W4K3S you are golden.  And it's a
major bonus to changes those on the fly as I have described.  BTW, I'm just
a happy user of W4K3S if you are wondering... I have no reason to try and
tout it other than I have been happy with the updates and support.

Even if you don't use the spectrum display in W4K3S, based on my many year
experience with LP-Bridge and NaP3, I still think it's well worth it on how
it shares the K3 CAT data.  It has been totally reliable too...

Anyway, give it another try and play around with the multiple and
dynamic UI settings for the eq in your K3.

Max NG7M



On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:06 PM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:

> I have been using LP-Bridge since its inception without major issues.
> I had tried Win4K3Suite one day. I did not spend much time with it, but two
> things didn't seem right. Maybe I just didn't know what I was doing though.
> It seemed each time I started the program I lost the equalizer settings and
> had to reenter them.
> Also there was an issue about the resolution had to be set to 3 decimal
> places. I would rather have the resolution to two decimal places for CW and
> for SSB depending if I am running or just going up and down the band I want
> to have 1 or two decimal places.
> And again, maybe I just didn't know what I was doing. And since LP-Bridge
> handles all of my devices fine I didn't get too serious with Win4K3Suite. I
> have the P3 with external monitor so not too interested in another band
> scope.
> The one thing I can't seem to do with LP-Bridge is have the Acom 2000A
> track
> my K3's receive frequency in order to pretune. I have N4PY's program doing
> that in the background.
>
> Tell me I didn't do things correctly and that if I set up Win4K3Suite
> properly I  can just start the program and it will start my other interface
> programs such as N1MM+, DXBase, AXETTY,  like LP-Bride and be seamless.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of M.
> George
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:36 PM
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic
> with k3 and a laptop with only com3
>
> I used LP-Bridge for many years and never was satisfied with the
> reliability... plus the time it takes to create the virtual ports was
> always
> irritating to me. It is pretty good and the price sure is right however!
>
> I have switched to Win4K3Suite with com0com for the CAT sharing of the
> K3(s) and it has been rock solid.  As others have mentioned, you can share
> the K3 CAT interface with up to 4 other applications and the lastest
> version
> of Win4K3Suite also adds 3 or 4 (off the top of my head) read only
> interfaces that you can use... i.e. like an SDA100 SteppIR controller or an
> Amplifier that will track the transceiver frequency.  VSPE looks pretty
> good, but the license feed for the signed 64 bit version is ~$25 and that
> gets you half way to the cost of Win4K3Suite... Win4K3WS

Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[N2TK, Tony]

I have been using LP-Bridge since its inception without major issues.
I had tried Win4K3Suite one day. I did not spend much time with it, but two
things didn't seem right. Maybe I just didn't know what I was doing though.
It seemed each time I started the program I lost the equalizer settings and
had to reenter them.
Also there was an issue about the resolution had to be set to 3 decimal
places. I would rather have the resolution to two decimal places for CW and
for SSB depending if I am running or just going up and down the band I want
to have 1 or two decimal places. 
And again, maybe I just didn't know what I was doing. And since LP-Bridge
handles all of my devices fine I didn't get too serious with Win4K3Suite. I
have the P3 with external monitor so not too interested in another band
scope.  
The one thing I can't seem to do with LP-Bridge is have the Acom 2000A track
my K3's receive frequency in order to pretune. I have N4PY's program doing
that in the background.

Tell me I didn't do things correctly and that if I set up Win4K3Suite
properly I  can just start the program and it will start my other interface
programs such as N1MM+, DXBase, AXETTY,  like LP-Bride and be seamless.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of M.
George
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:36 PM
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic
with k3 and a laptop with only com3

I used LP-Bridge for many years and never was satisfied with the
reliability... plus the time it takes to create the virtual ports was always
irritating to me. It is pretty good and the price sure is right however!

I have switched to Win4K3Suite with com0com for the CAT sharing of the
K3(s) and it has been rock solid.  As others have mentioned, you can share
the K3 CAT interface with up to 4 other applications and the lastest version
of Win4K3Suite also adds 3 or 4 (off the top of my head) read only
interfaces that you can use... i.e. like an SDA100 SteppIR controller or an
Amplifier that will track the transceiver frequency.  VSPE looks pretty
good, but the license feed for the signed 64 bit version is ~$25 and that
gets you half way to the cost of Win4K3Suite... Win4K3WSuite in and of
itself is really nice.  The more I use it, the more I like it... for
example, pre defined RX EQ settings are so nice where you can just push a
button and change the EQ settings on the K3 in a few seconds and if you are
tweaking the EQ settings, you get to hear things live without having to
leave the Config menu.  Anyway, I'm really like the spectrum display to in
combination with an LP-PAN2.  It's become the replacement to NaP3.  It's all
together just a much more reliable solution than LP-Bridge and NaP3 IMHO.  I
can't live without my LP-PAN2 by the way... but now I no longer need to deal
with LP-Bridge and Win4K3Suite starts right up with no delay where the
com0com ports are created when Windows 10 starts up.

Max NG7M

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Tim Tucker  wrote:

> I have used LP Bridge in the past but found that it crashed too often 
> to suit my tastes.  I am currently using VSPE 64 bit on two machines 
> (for the past 2 years) without any problems.
>
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:31 AM, buddy s  wrote:
>
> > i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is 
> > identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic 
> > simultaneously.
> >
> > if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would 
> > appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.
> >
> > thanks, es
> >
> > 73 de
> > W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[M. George]

I used LP-Bridge for many years and never was satisfied with the
reliability... plus the time it takes to create the virtual ports was
always irritating to me. It is pretty good and the price sure is right
however!

I have switched to Win4K3Suite with com0com for the CAT sharing of the
K3(s) and it has been rock solid.  As others have mentioned, you can share
the K3 CAT interface with up to 4 other applications and the lastest
version of Win4K3Suite also adds 3 or 4 (off the top of my head) read only
interfaces that you can use... i.e. like an SDA100 SteppIR controller or an
Amplifier that will track the transceiver frequency.  VSPE looks pretty
good, but the license feed for the signed 64 bit version is ~$25 and that
gets you half way to the cost of Win4K3Suite... Win4K3WSuite in and of
itself is really nice.  The more I use it, the more I like it... for
example, pre defined RX EQ settings are so nice where you can just push a
button and change the EQ settings on the K3 in a few seconds and if you are
tweaking the EQ settings, you get to hear things live without having to
leave the Config menu.  Anyway, I'm really like the spectrum display to in
combination with an LP-PAN2.  It's become the replacement to NaP3.  It's
all together just a much more reliable solution than LP-Bridge and NaP3
IMHO.  I can't live without my LP-PAN2 by the way... but now I no longer
need to deal with LP-Bridge and Win4K3Suite starts right up with no delay
where the com0com ports are created when Windows 10 starts up.

Max NG7M

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Tim Tucker  wrote:

> I have used LP Bridge in the past but found that it crashed too often to
> suit my tastes.  I am currently using VSPE 64 bit on two machines (for the
> past 2 years) without any problems.
>
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:31 AM, buddy s  wrote:
>
> > i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
> > identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
> > simultaneously.
> >
> > if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
> > appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.
> >
> > thanks, es
> >
> > 73 de
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Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[Tim Tucker]

I have used LP Bridge in the past but found that it crashed too often to
suit my tastes.  I am currently using VSPE 64 bit on two machines (for the
past 2 years) without any problems.

Tim

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:31 AM, buddy s  wrote:

> i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
> identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
> simultaneously.
>
> if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
> appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.
>
> thanks, es
>
> 73 de
> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

Another vote to LP  Bridge


  From: Matt Zilmer 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with 
k3 and a laptop with only com3
   
Try LP Bridge?  That's works well here.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 3/1/2017 9:31 AM, buddy s wrote:
> i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
> identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
> simultaneously.
>
> if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
> appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.
>
> thanks, es
>
> 73 de
> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[Dave Fugleberg]

I've been playing with Win4K3 Suite lately... Among (many) other things, it
allows up to four different programs to think they are all connected
directly to the same K3 st the same time. I've been testing it with DXLab
Commander and N1MM+.
Both programs lead and follow the radio - in other words, I can change
frequency, mode, etc on the radio, in Win4K3, N1MM, or commander, and all
of the others change with it.
73 de W0ZF

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM Matt Zilmer  wrote:

Try LP Bridge?  That's works well here.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 3/1/2017 9:31 AM, buddy s wrote:
> i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
> identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
> simultaneously.
>
> if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
> appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.
>
> thanks, es
>
> 73 de
> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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Re: [Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[Bob Wilson, N6TV]

Maybe try OmniRig by VE3NEA ?  It allows all
supported programs to share the serial port of the K3 at the same time.

Both Ham Radio Deluxe Bridge and Logic 9 are listed as compatible.  But,
perhaps it doesn't work with the latest version of HRD?

http://dxatlas.com/OmniRig/CompatibleSoft.txt

http://wd5eae.org/Software.html  - "OmniRig / Ham Radio Deluxe Bridge (for
HRD 3.x/4.x)"

There are other solutions such as the microHAM controllers that provide two
virtual serial ports per radio.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:31 AM, buddy s  wrote:

> i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
> identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
> simultaneously.
>
> if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
> appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.
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[Matt Zilmer]

Try LP Bridge?  That's works well here.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 3/1/2017 9:31 AM, buddy s wrote:

i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
simultaneously.

if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.

thanks, es

73 de
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[Elecraft] list submission, using ham radio deluxe and logic with k3 and a laptop with only com3

[buddy s]

i have a laptop, win 10, usb cabled to my k3, and the com port is
identified as com3.  i would like to use ham radio deluxe and logic
simultaneously.

if someone has a similar situation and solved the problem i would
appreciate the details.  i have tried VSPE, unsuccessfully.

thanks, es

73 de
W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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[Elecraft] List participatioin

[Bill]

I have missed the list for nearly a year. missed the KX2 stuff, and would
have loved to FT as I have done many pieces in the past.  But I somehow lost
the link to the newsletters.  So here I sit broken hearted, came to list but
found I had departed. I am back!  KX2 in the near future.  I have owned all
K rigs, except the 500w amp because I already own the THP HL K2.5kfx which
is full 1.5KW output. (soon to be up for sale.) Elecraft is the best and you
cannot own enough.  Our leaders are terrific.  I cannot believe I have been
on board since late 1998. Where has time gone?

72/73 :)

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[Rick Prather]

Well said Al,

It seems to me that the list gets especially weird when the bands are bad!

At any rate, a lot of the problems would be solved if people would follow
your advice to wait overnight and also, as part of that process, re-read
the OP and be sure you understand the question.

Rick
K6LE


On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Al Lorona  wrote:

> There's a lot of tension on the list right now. Can we all just step back
> for a second?
>
>
> This list, at times, can be downright infuriating to those of us who ask a
> question in good faith, only to have the thread go off the rails in a
> matter of minutes. I've been victimized countless times. When it happens I
> say to myself, "Well, there goes any hope of getting an answer to my
> question."
>
> This list is no different than any list -- you have your Curmudgeons, your
> Know-it-Alls, the Complainers, the Alligators, etc., etc.-- and this tends
> to make people gun-shy or at least very tentative about posting. I can't
> blame them.
>
> Maybe we need to view each post primarily as a *request for help with a
> specific problem*, and not really  as an invitation to expound, discuss,
> and bloviate. Simply this: Let's make sure the Original Poster always gets
> our best in the most direct and expedient manner.
>
> There are a handful of guys who regularly stick to this rule and my hat's
> off to them for the dozens of times they've patiently come through for me.
> I stick around here mainly to pay back by helping others when I can.
>
> Replying off-list is fine. Certainly we're not losing any learning
> opportunities if we choose to do this for the common questions ("What's the
> best pair of gym shoes to wear while using my K3?") and I've had some of my
> best technical exchanges off-list, which I'm sure is true of a lot of us.
>
> If you don't get a satisfactory answer here probably the best thing is to
> then go contact Elecraft support privately. Ultimately, this list doesn't
> replace Support.
>
>
> One more thing, and this is directed to the Original Posters out there:
> There is nothing in the Elecraft list guidelines that says you *must* post
> the resolution of a problem to the list, but common courtesy probably
> dictates that you do so. A single wrap-up message by the original poster
> would seem sufficient: "My problem was caused by two mourning doves that
> nested in my balun enclosure."
>
> I was left hanging in the past month by two baffling but fascinating
> problems that I fear we'll never understand... Whatever happened to that K3
> that was hearing broadcast stations by E.S.P.? Was that Wayne's new psychic
> firmware??
>
> Self-moderation is definitely part of the solution. Here are two
> guidelines that if followed diligently could benefit us all:
>
>
> 1. If your response contains the sentiments, "Me too," or, "Why do you
> want to do that?" it probably isn't worth sending. Or maybe should be sent
> off-list.
>
> 2. Delay all responses overnight. If the next morning your response still
> seems needed, go ahead and send it.
>
> Finally I would like to add that, if there's a thread not to your liking,
> kindly spend the few seconds deleting it rather than adding yet another
> post to an already long thread complaining that the thread is getting too
> long or too off-topic. It's kinda like yelling, "Quiet!" in a noisy
> theater-- it doesn't accomplish anything, and it just makes the problem
> worse.
>
> This is all personal opinion and I welcome Elecraft telling me I'm full of
> beans as they see fit. I'll even post a resolution message reporting how
> many people told me, off-list, to go take a flying leap of a galloping
> goose.
>
>
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[Al Lorona]

There's a lot of tension on the list right now. Can we all just step back for a 
second?


This list, at times, can be downright infuriating to those of us who ask a 
question in good faith, only to have the thread go off the rails in a matter of 
minutes. I've been victimized countless times. When it happens I say to myself, 
"Well, there goes any hope of getting an answer to my question."

This list is no different than any list -- you have your Curmudgeons, your 
Know-it-Alls, the Complainers, the Alligators, etc., etc.-- and this tends to 
make people gun-shy or at least very tentative about posting. I can't blame 
them.

Maybe we need to view each post primarily as a *request for help with a 
specific problem*, and not really  as an invitation to expound, discuss, and 
bloviate. Simply this: Let's make sure the Original Poster always gets our best 
in the most direct and expedient manner.

There are a handful of guys who regularly stick to this rule and my hat's off 
to them for the dozens of times they've patiently come through for me. I stick 
around here mainly to pay back by helping others when I can.

Replying off-list is fine. Certainly we're not losing any learning 
opportunities if we choose to do this for the common questions ("What's the 
best pair of gym shoes to wear while using my K3?") and I've had some of my 
best technical exchanges off-list, which I'm sure is true of a lot of us.

If you don't get a satisfactory answer here probably the best thing is to then 
go contact Elecraft support privately. Ultimately, this list doesn't replace 
Support.


One more thing, and this is directed to the Original Posters out there: There 
is nothing in the Elecraft list guidelines that says you *must* post the 
resolution of a problem to the list, but common courtesy probably dictates that 
you do so. A single wrap-up message by the original poster would seem 
sufficient: "My problem was caused by two mourning doves that nested in my 
balun enclosure."

I was left hanging in the past month by two baffling but fascinating problems 
that I fear we'll never understand... Whatever happened to that K3 that was 
hearing broadcast stations by E.S.P.? Was that Wayne's new psychic firmware??

Self-moderation is definitely part of the solution. Here are two guidelines 
that if followed diligently could benefit us all:
 

1. If your response contains the sentiments, "Me too," or, "Why do you want to 
do that?" it probably isn't worth sending. Or maybe should be sent off-list.

2. Delay all responses overnight. If the next morning your response still seems 
needed, go ahead and send it.
 
Finally I would like to add that, if there's a thread not to your liking, 
kindly spend the few seconds deleting it rather than adding yet another post to 
an already long thread complaining that the thread is getting too long or too 
off-topic. It's kinda like yelling, "Quiet!" in a noisy theater-- it doesn't 
accomplish anything, and it just makes the problem worse.
 
This is all personal opinion and I welcome Elecraft telling me I'm full of 
beans as they see fit. I'll even post a resolution message reporting how many 
people told me, off-list, to go take a flying leap of a galloping goose.
 

Al  W6LX
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[Elecraft] List Manners, etc.

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Its come to our attention that some list members have sent **private** emails 
chastising or criticizing others who may have made a comment or posted a 
question to the list. This is in direct violation of our "keep it friendly" list 
policy.


A note to aspiring list police: Please restrain the urge to
email someone or the list admonishing them about a posting. The last
thing we want to do is to scare anyone off the list. As the 'official'
list Cop, I'll jump in as necessary to keep everything orderly. I do
this off line and occasionally to the list when it is appropriate. Our
goal is to keep the Elecraft list a fun, informative central clearing
house for Elecraft and Ham Radio related information and enthusiasm.

All questions are welcome, and it is in direct violation to
personally criticize a poster for making a post with abusive emails. (Even if 
the information they seek is basic, is on our web page or is available via the 
list archives, its OK to ask about it.)


Anyone receiving private emails (via the list or direct email) belittling or 
chastising them regarding a post should **forward** that post to me as list 
manager. List members who violate this guideline by abusing others risk 
permanently being removed from the email list.


It is also not necessary to defend Elecraft and to personally criticize a poster 
who has a critique or problem with our radios. (We have pretty thick skins ;-) 
We want to hear critical input so we can continue to improve our products and 
make them the best possible. Its certainly OK correct posters if their 
information is incorrect, and to help them with questions or misunderstandings, 
but please do it politely and with respect.


Overall, the primary  list guideline is to keep all discussions cordial and 
polite on the list and on follow up private emails related to list discussions. 
There is no place for belittling or chastising of list members when you do not 
think they should have asked a question or made a post, or if you disagree with 
their point. Its OK to have polite disagreements and discussions, but not to 
make it personal.


All questions are welcome. Period.

The bottom line:
If you have a question - POST IT.
If you are having fun -  POST IT.
If you are having problems - POST IT.
If you have a suggestion -   POST it.

If you have a complaint about the list or another poster - do not post it to the 
list. Please send it to me. We'll jump on it right away.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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[Elecraft] list

[Larry Boekeloo]

I haven't received anything from the list for nearly 2 weeks now.  Rather 
strange...

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Re: [Elecraft] list

[Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz) via Elecraft]

Walter: you forgot the really fun option for the KX3  -- the tuner.. which 
makes my downspouts into excellent dummy loads.
 KK4QDZ - Now with Extra Class Priv's, and a tiny KX3 to enjoy them!
  From: Walter Underwood 
 To: elecraft  
 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 5:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] list
   
The K3 is more complicated and has more options. The KX3 has four internal 
options — charger/clock, ATU, roofing filters, and 2m module. The K3 has far 
more than that. Also, the K3 is commonly used in complex base stations, with 
multiple antennas, external power amplifiers, and so on.

So, more discussion about the K3 is normal.

At this point, I think Elecraft has sold about the same number of K3’s and 
KX3’s.

Finally, it is common practice on this list to sign e-mails with your call sign.

wunder
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On Mar 15, 2015, at 2:53 PM, bs usb  wrote:

> I am a new comer to the list.
> 
> I have been mostly reading the mail for about four weeks.
> 
> I see a lot of traffic about the K3 and very little regarding the KX3.
> 
> I am wondering why that is.
> 
> Is the KX3 just that much more problem free or is the K3 that much more 
> popular?

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[Bill Gerth]

There is also a KX3-specific Yahoo group that you might want to check out.
73,

BILL GERTH, W4RK
Jefferson City, MO
First Licensed 1954
CWOPS #459
4 States QRP Group
KX3 (S/N 112)

On Mar 15, 2015, at 4:53 PM, bs usb  wrote:

> I am a new comer to the list.
> 
> I have been mostly reading the mail for about four weeks.
> 
> I see a lot of traffic about the K3 and very little regarding the KX3.
> 
> I am wondering why that is.
> 
> Is the KX3 just that much more problem free or is the K3 that much more 
> popular?
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[Fred Jensen]

On 3/15/2015 2:53 PM, bs usb wrote:


I see a lot of traffic about the K3 and very little regarding the
KX3.


Patience, just wait.


I am wondering why that is.

Is the KX3 just that much more problem free or is the K3 that much
more popular?


Neither.  Elecraft has an impressive portfolio of products.  New 
firmware for the KX3 will increase the mass of KX3 postings.  New 
firmware for the K3 will likewise increase the mass of K3 postings.  In 
the last month, they have announced a new super-low noise synthesizer 
for the K3, that's probably what you're seeing, it has been "all K3, all 
the time" recently.  The K2 is a mature transceiver.  Occasionally, 
someone will have a problem or a question and for a short period, the K2 
may dominate the list.  Likewise with the K1 ... we recently had a 
flurry of activity over the current and future unavailability of 4-band 
modules for it.


Sometimes the list will be tilted to some particular ham usage or 
technique, such as diversity reception or EME or various digital modes, 
and not so much toward a specific product.


It is very helpful if, when posting about a specific product, you put 
that product's ID in the subject line.  Many people on the list filter 
their email into separate folders since they may not care about some 
products.  It is also customary to end your post with name or nickname 
and call sign, if you have one.  Mine end with a shameless plug for the 
Cal QSO Party.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org


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Re: [Elecraft] list

[Walter Underwood]

The K3 is more complicated and has more options. The KX3 has four internal 
options — charger/clock, ATU, roofing filters, and 2m module. The K3 has far 
more than that. Also, the K3 is commonly used in complex base stations, with 
multiple antennas, external power amplifiers, and so on.

So, more discussion about the K3 is normal.

At this point, I think Elecraft has sold about the same number of K3’s and 
KX3’s.

Finally, it is common practice on this list to sign e-mails with your call sign.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
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On Mar 15, 2015, at 2:53 PM, bs usb  wrote:

> I am a new comer to the list.
> 
> I have been mostly reading the mail for about four weeks.
> 
> I see a lot of traffic about the K3 and very little regarding the KX3.
> 
> I am wondering why that is.
> 
> Is the KX3 just that much more problem free or is the K3 that much more 
> popular?

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Re: [Elecraft] list

[Bob]

Elecraft is always providing some improvement to their radios.  For a long
time much of the "action" was with the KX3.  A few months back you would
have made the opposite conclusion.  Recently lots of changes have been
going on with the K3, so much of the traffic is related to that.

The KX3 is WILDLY popular and is a fantastic radio.  So is the K3.

73, Bob, WB4SON


On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, stan levandowski 
wrote:

> Those of us with KX3s are having so much fun operating that we don't have
> time for emails.
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 05:53 PM, bs usb wrote:
>
>  I see a lot of traffic about the K3 and very little regarding the KX3.
>>
>> I am wondering why that is.
>>
>> Is the KX3 just that much more problem free or is the K3 that much more
>> popular?
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] list

[stan levandowski]

Those of us with KX3s are having so much fun operating that we don't 
have time for emails.

73, Stan WB2LQF

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 05:53 PM, bs usb wrote:


I see a lot of traffic about the K3 and very little regarding the KX3.

I am wondering why that is.

Is the KX3 just that much more problem free or is the K3 that much 
more popular?


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[Elecraft] list

[bs usb]

I am a new comer to the list.

I have been mostly reading the mail for about four weeks.

I see a lot of traffic about the K3 and very little regarding the KX3.

I am wondering why that is.

Is the KX3 just that much more problem free or is the K3 that much more 
popular?

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Re: [Elecraft] List of K1 modifications

[Hjalmar Duklæt]

Hi Jim.
Have a look at this page http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lapthorn/k1.htm. At the 
bottom you will find two links to sites decribing som mods made by others than 
Elecraft. Mods made by Elecraft (if there are any), you will probably find on 
the official Elecraft site.

73 de Hal
la4xx

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lapthorn/k1.htm

On 15-01-19 01:24, James Rodenkirch   wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a list of all K1 mods (those approved by Elecraft and those 
> that others have installedOR the URL of a site that does and can vector 
> me to? 
>  
> Thank you, in advance, for your assistance. 72, Jim Rodenkirch
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[Elecraft] List of K1 modifications

[James Rodenkirch]

Does anyone have a list of all K1 mods (those approved by Elecraft and those 
that others have installedOR the URL of a site that does and can vector me 
to? 
 
Thank you, in advance, for your assistance. 72, Jim Rodenkirch
 
  
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[Elecraft] How to avoid Elecraft list email overload: Nabble and other web archives

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Instead of receiving an email for every posting, you can stop emails and read 
and search the list via a convenient web based list archive. Nabble and 
mail-archive.com are two excellent Elecraft list archives accessed via our web 
page. See:

http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html

There is a 'no mail' option on your elecraft list personal configuration page - 
accessed after you sign up. Go to the following page and scroll down to the 
bottom to enter your list password (assigned when you sign up) to log into your 
personal configuration page.


http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

This link also appears at the bottom of every elecraft email list posting.

Setting your list email preference to 'no mail' delivery allows you to read the 
list via Nabble and other web based searchable and threaded archives, and still 
post to the list. (The list requires you to be subscribed to make postings, in 
order to stop spam posting from reaching our subscribers.)



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Re: [Elecraft] How to avoid Elecraft list email overload: Nabble andother web archives

[Ed Muns]

In addition, I use my local mail client to sort my Inbox into topical
folders.  There is a folder for Elecraft email list postings and within that
there are sub-folders that sort key phrases in the Subject line, e.g., KX3,
KPA500, etc.  This enables me to quickly process a large influx of email by
focusing on groups of messages by topic.  I can see the entire thread in one
place without the mental blizzard of going through an unsorted Inbox on
diverse topics.

Ed W0YK

 

Eric WA6HHQ wrote:
> Instead of receiving an email for every posting, 
> 
> There is a 'no mail' option on your elecraft list 
> 
> This link also appears at the bottom of every elecraft email 
> list posting.
> 
> Setting your list email preference to 'no mail' 

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[Elecraft] How to avoid Elecraft list email overload: Nabble and other web archives

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Instead of receiving an email for every posting, you can stop emails and 
read and search the list via a convenient web based list archive. Nabble 
and mail-archive.com are two excellent Elecraft list archives accessed 
via our web page. See:

http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html

There is a 'no mail' option on your elecraft list personal configuration 
page - accessed after you sign up. Go to the following page and scroll 
down to the bottom to enter your list password (assigned when you sign 
up) to log into your personal configuration page.


http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

This link also appears at the bottom of every elecraft email list posting.

Setting your list email preference to 'no mail' delivery allows you to 
read the list via Nabble and other web based searchable and threaded 
archives, and still post to the list. (The list requires you to be 
subscribed to make postings, in order to stop spam posting from reaching 
our subscribers.)



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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply 
text is time consuming on these devices.


Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
appreciate your adherence to this.


Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.


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[Elecraft] List down?

[Fred Jensen]

This is sort of a test.  Thrice now in the last couple of weeks, the 
more or less steady emails from the Elecraft list have suddenly dried 
up.  Just wondering ...


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
- www.cqp.org

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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

> Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially 
> important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
> iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply text is 
> impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.
> 
> Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially when 
> you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really appreciate 
> your adherence to this.
> 
> Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
> possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.
> 
> 73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] relevance of "asking Elecraft list..."

[Terry Schieler]

Please allow me to echo John's comment below.  Many of the current Elecraft
reflector members became Elecraft users because early in their career they
were enamored with the building of Heathkit radios.  So, many of the members
of this reflector come armed with a great deal of widespread talent and
knowledge.  I see a connection here too, and I also applaud the moderators
for allowing members to share their vast knowledge, even if it seems to be
"general" in nature to some.

Terry, W0FM


-Original Message-
From: John Ragle [mailto:tpcj1...@crocker.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:10 PM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] relevance of "asking Elecraft list..."

I subscribe to (am the victim of?) a number of list servers, and find 
the Elecraft list to be a much more general font of wisdom than most. 
The few characters it takes to transfer a short message to the list 
don't really constitute wasteful and burdensome traffic in the modern 
age, and I commend the Elecraft list monitor for exercising some 
forbearance on most off-topic threads...like this one.

John Ragle -- W1ZI


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[Elecraft] relevance of "asking Elecraft list..."

[John Ragle]

I subscribe to (am the victim of?) a number of list servers, and find 
the Elecraft list to be a much more general font of wisdom than most. 
The few characters it takes to transfer a short message to the list 
don't really constitute wasteful and burdensome traffic in the modern 
age, and I commend the Elecraft list monitor for exercising some 
forbearance on most off-topic threads...like this one.

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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[Elecraft] elecraft list - (was : K3 6M problem)

[Johnny Siu]

Hi Ron,
 
I did contact Gary in Elecraft whenever I suspected there were hardware 
problems.  This reflector is very valuable especially when I have questions on 
the operation of the elecraft radios.
 
Apart from this, there are so many learnt and knowledgeable radio professions 
in this list that it is a good place to ask radio related questions.  From time 
to time, you will see me in this reflector asking 'OT' questions.
 
You may also remember that I did even ask 'tourist information for NYC' here.

TNX & 73,


Johnny VR2XMC

從︰ Ron D'Eau Claire 
收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net
傳送日期︰ 2011年07月2日 (週六) 6:39 AM
主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 6M problem

I've been following this list for a decade now. One of the most popular uses of 
this list has been to bring general troubleshooting and repair questions here 
or just to explore why something happens.

Faced with the unexpected, many of us turn to customer support as a last resort 
-- just as some open the manual as a last resort, Hi!

And, in fact, there are a number of non-Elecraft employees here who know 
various aspects of the Elecraft rigs as well as the engineers who designed 
them. 

One example is Don W3FPR, but there have been others who have contributed a 
great deal to the Elecraft products over the years, suggesting and actually 
developing many design improvements to the K2 and K1 and other pre-K3 products. 
Many of their "mods" were documented here and tested by various list members 
who were unafraid to dig into their rigs. Some of those were later incorporated 
into the equipment design by Elecraft or made an "official" Elecraft mod. 

There are still a lot of solder jockeys here who remain a key part of that 
legacy although their numbers have been diluted by the many K3 owners whose 
interest is in operating, not tinkering inside the rig. Even so, many K3 owners 
have questions about how to interface their rigs with various external devices 
or how to find and utilize all the features built into the firmware. Many list 
members here step in to help them with information that the Elecraft support 
people are not likely to have or simply take the load off of Elecraft customer 
support. 

73,

Ron AC7AC
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[Elecraft] How to avoid Elecraft list email overload: Nabble and other web archives

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Instead of receiving an email for every posting, you can stop emails and 
read and search the list via a convenient web based list archive. Nabble 
and mail-archive.com are two excellent Elecraft list archives accessed 
via our web page. See:
http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html

There is a 'no mail' option on your elecraft list personal configuration 
page - accessed after you sign up. Go to the following page and scroll 
down to the bottom to enter your list password (assigned when you sign 
up) to log into your personal configuration page.

http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

This link also appears at the bottom of every elecraft email list posting.

Setting your list email preference to 'no mail' delivery allows you to 
read the list via Nabble and other web based searchable and threaded 
archives, and still post to the list. (The list requires you to be 
subscribed to make postings, in order to stop spam posting from reaching 
our subscribers.)


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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply 
text is impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
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Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
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Re: [Elecraft] List working?

[Fred Jensen]

Trust me Mike, "the list IS working :-)"  71 when I came in this afternoon.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
- www.cqp.org

On 5/22/2011 1:53 PM, Mike wrote:
> I have gotten no posts from the list today. Is it me or the list
> that's broken?
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
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Re: [Elecraft] List working?

[Mike]

Hm...

That came thru.

On 5/22/2011 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
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> broken?
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
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[Elecraft] List working?

[Mike]

I have gotten no posts from the list today. Is it me or the list that's broken?

73, Mike NF4L
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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply 
text is impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
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Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
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[Elecraft] Elecraft List Test Bounce

[Terry Posey]

Elecraft List Test Bounce

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on PDA phones, iPads 
etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply text
is impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
appreciate your adherence to this.

Please also delete all footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.

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Re: [Elecraft] List SPAM again

[Nigel ( Nidge ) Smith]

Knowing Bob I can confirm he is signifiantly more literate than
the scammer who originated the email, which interestingly did
originate from Kuala Lumpar (IP Trace).

I've sent Bob an email off line alerting him that he has been
spoofed on the reflector.

Regards

Nidge (G0NIG)

IO93dv


- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Gregory" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] List SPAM again


>I guess everyone got the email or am I just special?
>
> Seems to have come from (g3pjt  @  btinternet.  com)
>
> But not being computer literate (it's still a black art for me) I could be
> wrong...yet again.
>
> No Biggie, delete key is still working.
>
> 73's
> Gary
>
> -- 
> Gary
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