RE: [Elecraft] Speaker problem

2007-02-17 Thread Gregg R. Lengling
See the K2 manual errata on the manual pages that was just updated...there
was a change in the jack wiring as the jack has changed apparently.


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Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker problem

Just got K2 5848 complete. Everything looks good except the speakers (int or
ext) do not work. Headphones work great. I double-checked the wiring, and I
have
not reversed the speaker wires. 

When I removed the speaker connector, I noticed that there is only about
0.12
volts at P5 (audio) connector on the control board, whether I have the
headphone
plugged-in or not, and regardless of volume setting. Makes me think I have a
bad
headphone jack switch. I have heard about these going bad. Is is common to
see
bad ones from the factory? Or should I be looking for something else?

Thanks and 73,

Tom KG3V


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Re: [Elecraft] Speaker problem

2007-02-17 Thread David Wilburn

Copy of builders alert message.

We have a new Builder Alert, covering the wiring of the new type (RoHS 
compliant) of K2 speaker jack.


Read about it on our website at:


http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/Builder's%20Alert%20New%20K2%20Speaker%20Jack%20Rev%20A.pdf

This Alert applies to K2 kits purchased since August, 2006.  If you have 
found that your external speaker doesn't work, please read this Alert. 
No parts need to be replaced, just some very minor rewiring work needs 
to be done to the external speaker jack.  This change is not covered in 
the manual, but is in the new Errata (Rev F-10) also available on our 
website in the Manuals and Downloads section.


End copy

David Wilburn
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Tom Zeltwanger wrote:

Just got K2 5848 complete. Everything looks good except the speakers (int or
ext) do not work. Headphones work great. I double-checked the wiring, and I have
not reversed the speaker wires. 


When I removed the speaker connector, I noticed that there is only about 0.12
volts at P5 (audio) connector on the control board, whether I have the headphone
plugged-in or not, and regardless of volume setting. Makes me think I have a bad
headphone jack switch. I have heard about these going bad. Is is common to see
bad ones from the factory? Or should I be looking for something else?

Thanks and 73,

Tom KG3V




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RE: [Elecraft] Speaker problem

2007-02-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
Tom,

If you are plugging the speaker into P5 on the CONTROL BOARD, it will NOT
work there.
Plug it into P5 on the RF Board and see what happens.  If it still does not
work, you may have wired the external speaker jack incorrectly - it was
recently change (new ones have a hex nut) and the manual is no longer
correct - check th eBuilder's alert on the Elecraft website.

73,
Don W3FPR

 -Original Message-

 Just got K2 5848 complete. Everything looks good except the
 speakers (int or
 ext) do not work. Headphones work great. I double-checked the
 wiring, and I have
 not reversed the speaker wires.

 When I removed the speaker connector, I noticed that there is
 only about 0.12
 volts at P5 (audio) connector on the control board, whether I
 have the headphone
 plugged-in or not, and regardless of volume setting. Makes me
 think I have a bad
 headphone jack switch. I have heard about these going bad. Is is
 common to see
 bad ones from the factory? Or should I be looking for something else?

 Thanks and 73,

 Tom KG3V

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RE: [Elecraft] Speaker problem

2007-02-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Miswiring the external speaker jack should not keep the speaker from
working, unless you reverse the copper (hot) and silver (ground) wires. The
new speaker jack reversed the position of the hot connections so if it was
wired according to the original illustration in the manual, there'd be no
audio output from the jack if an external speaker was plugged in. That's
because with the hot leads reversed, the tip of the external plug ends up
connected to the speaker in the K2 instead of the hot lead from the RF
board. But, with nothing in the jack the speaker would get normal audio. 

Don's suggestion about possibly plugging it into the wrong place sounds
likely. The other thing is to make sure you inserted the leads into the plug
correctly. That silver/copper polarity assumes you inserted the leads into
the plug that goes to the RF board in the correct positions as shown in
Figure 7-3 (page 79 in the manual). 

Ron AC7AC

 -Original Message-

 Just got K2 5848 complete. Everything looks good except the speakers 
 (int or
 ext) do not work. Headphones work great. I double-checked the wiring, 
 and I have not reversed the speaker wires.

 When I removed the speaker connector, I noticed that there is only 
 about 0.12 volts at P5 (audio) connector on the control board, whether 
 I have the headphone
 plugged-in or not, and regardless of volume setting. Makes me
 think I have a bad
 headphone jack switch. I have heard about these going bad. Is is
 common to see
 bad ones from the factory? Or should I be looking for something else?

 Thanks and 73,

 Tom KG3V


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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-30 Thread Peter Linsley


On 29 Jul 2005 at 17:25, Bruce Bowman wrote:

 I just got thru replacing the headphone connector on #4793 which died 
 after only 2 months service.

The jack in my K1/4 failed after a week or so - 4 years ago. I assumed it was 
my 
clumsiness and have been using it jury-rigged since. I must get round to 
replacing it 
sometime ..

73

Peter Linsley, G3PDL

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[Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Roland Elvie Whitsitt
Just when I thought my problems were over.  I just won't go away folks, like a 
bad penny.
I was working some cw on the k2 with the headphones.  After I was done, I 
pulled the headphones out of the jack and nothing was coming from the speaker.  
I got voltage from the headphone jack(that goes to the speaker), but nothing 
from P5 on the RF board.  Headphone still works fine.  
Roland in Stockton
just completed #3090
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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Roland Elvie Whitsitt
Thanks Tom,  It had been working fine.  Just after I unplugged the 
headphones after only my 2nd qso, the speaker didn't work.  Still plugged in 
the board.  I wiggled it, nada.  Not much it could be so I've ordered a new 
headphone jack.  Use to, I could jumper it and it would disconnect when I 
plugged in the head phones.  Now when I jumper it and plug in the phones, it 
don't disconnect.  Also, the headphone jack seems to wiggle around inside. 
The outside is stable.

Roland
K2#3090
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem



Ronald:

1) NOT uncommon to mis-wire the polarity of the wire between the 2-pin 
jack (P5, I think) on the RF board and the ext. spkr jack! If mis-wired, 
the hot lead is shorted to ground instead.


2) there have been a couple reports of defective spkr jacks which don't 
re-make the audio line connection when the ext spkr plug's removed.


73,

Tom   N0SS

At 02:23 AM 7/29/2005, you wrote:
Just when I thought my problems were over.  I just won't go away folks, 
like a bad penny.
I was working some cw on the k2 with the headphones.  After I was done, I 
pulled the headphones out of the jack and nothing was coming from the 
speaker.  I got voltage from the headphone jack(that goes to the speaker), 
but nothing from P5 on the RF board.  Headphone still works fine.

Roland in Stockton
just completed #3090
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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Able2fly
Hmmm. The headphone jack in K2 4152 is intermittent also. I'm  holding my 
breath every time I unplug. Seems to be a problematic component, at  least some 
of them are. Maybe there was a bad batch?
 
Elecraft, is there a more reliable  replacement? 
 
Bill  K3UJ
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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Roland Elvie Whitsitt
Funny thing is, I was thinking, (and still kinda am), that it was yet 
another one of my blunders. hi hi

Roland the rusher builder
#3090
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Hmmm. The headphone jack in K2 4152 is intermittent also. I'm  holding my
breath every time I unplug. Seems to be a problematic component, at  least 
some

of them are. Maybe there was a bad batch?

Elecraft, is there a more reliable  replacement?

Bill  K3UJ
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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Dave Lowenstein
Mine has a sticker saying Made in China on it.  That pretty much tells you 
about the quality.  :(


Dave
N7AF


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Hmmm. The headphone jack in K2 4152 is intermittent also. I'm  holding my
breath every time I unplug. Seems to be a problematic component, at  least 
some

of them are. Maybe there was a bad batch?

Elecraft, is there a more reliable  replacement?

Bill  K3UJ
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RE: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Bill, K3UJ wrote:

Hmmm. The headphone jack in K2 4152 is intermittent also. I'm  holding my 
breath every time I unplug. Seems to be a problematic component, at  least
some 
of them are. Maybe there was a bad batch?

---


Yes, that seems to have been a problematic component. 

I wonder how many people who have had trouble used a large plug or plug
adapter on the phones line there? 

I ask because my five-year-old K2's phone jack is FB after countless
plug-ins and un-plugs, but I may be a lot more gentler on it than most.
Instead of a large plug, I have a very small, lightweight right-angle plug
with a small, flexible wire pig-tail that goes to a large jack for the
phones connector. The pressure on the K2 jack is miniscule at best. The
large connector lies on the desk. There's only a gram or two of weight on
the connector and, since it's a right-angle connector, virtually no leverage
to amplify pressure caused by moving the phones cord around. 

I used that simply because my favorite headphones are equipped with a
1/4-inch connector, and it didn't seem a good idea to use an in-line adapter
that would place considerable stress on the tip of the plug inside the tiny
jack on the K2. 

Maybe I'm just lucky. Maybe not.

Ron AC7AC


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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Earl W Cunningham
Ron, AC7AC wrote:

I wonder how many people who have had trouble used a large plug or plug
adapter on the phones line there?
==
The headphone jack on my K2 went bad (no speaker audio) early on and I
had to replace it.

The reason it went bad was because I was using an adapter to accommodate
the 1/4 (large) plug on my headset.  Either this amount of weight
pulling down on the K2's phone jack, or (more likely) because the
longer plug (with adapter) could easily be moved sideways during
insertion/removal caused the switch inside the jack to go bad after not
very much use.

Since then I've used a headset with a 1/8 (small) plug with my K2 and
the problem has not repeated.

73, de Earl, K6SE
K2/100 #2622
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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Kevin Rock
I was using a small phone plug but it still failed after about a year.  I 
use headphones most of the time so never took out the plug for the entire 
time.  When I was going to use the speaker I found the jack had failed.  
There are so many headphones around the house with 1/8 plugs that I would 
never need to use an adapter.  I think it was a bad batch of jacks.

   Kevin.   KD5ONS




On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:49:40 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Bill, K3UJ wrote:

Hmmm. The headphone jack in K2 4152 is intermittent also. I'm  holding my
breath every time I unplug. Seems to be a problematic component, at  
least

some
of them are. Maybe there was a bad batch?

---


Yes, that seems to have been a problematic component.

I wonder how many people who have had trouble used a large plug or plug
adapter on the phones line there?

I ask because my five-year-old K2's phone jack is FB after countless
plug-ins and un-plugs, but I may be a lot more gentler on it than most.
Instead of a large plug, I have a very small, lightweight right-angle 
plug

with a small, flexible wire pig-tail that goes to a large jack for the
phones connector. The pressure on the K2 jack is miniscule at best. The
large connector lies on the desk. There's only a gram or two of weight on
the connector and, since it's a right-angle connector, virtually no 
leverage

to amplify pressure caused by moving the phones cord around.

I used that simply because my favorite headphones are equipped with a
1/4-inch connector, and it didn't seem a good idea to use an in-line 
adapter
that would place considerable stress on the tip of the plug inside the 
tiny

jack on the K2.

Maybe I'm just lucky. Maybe not.

Ron AC7AC



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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Stuart Rohre
It is a good idea to use a pigtail adapter if one is going from a small jack 
on a radio to a larger jack for legacy headphones that you prefer.

Simply create a plug, pigtail of suitable audio flexible cable, and a jack 
to accomplish the transition without an adapter putting heavy weight onto 
the radio jack.

Allow enough length for the adapter to be supported on the operating table 
surface.

In line jacks might be hard to come by.  However, a suitable protective boot 
can be fashioned over a conventional large jack with shrink tubing.  Use as 
many sizes as you need to adapt from the back of the jack down to a smaller 
size for strain relief contact with the cable, telescoping one piece into 
another.

Such adapters have allowed me to use 1950's high sensitivity military 
headphones on the most modern radios, with good results.

I have done microphone adapters the same way, to switch from one brand of 
radio to another without changing the mike plug.  A quarter inch jack will 
fit the body of some electronic push button switches that have a rectangular 
box structure that fits behind a rack panel.  Just unscrew the switch guts, 
and use the box for the jack.  The shrink tubing trick closes the back of 
the box as well.

Stuart
K5KVH 



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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Bruce Bowman
Hi Roland-

I just got thru replacing the headphone connector on #4793 which died 
after only 2 months service. My Heil headphones have a mini-plug, so I 
don't use a mini-to-1/4 phone plug adapter. There are too many K2s 
working without incident to say the connector is a flawed design, but it 
wasn't encouraging to get a peek inside after removal from the RF Board.

Bruce

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Just when I thought my problems were over. I just won't go away folks, 
like a bad penny.
I was working some cw on the k2 with the headphones. After I was done, I 
pulled the headphones out of the jack and nothing was coming from the 
speaker. I got voltage from the headphone jack(that goes to the 
speaker), but nothing from P5 on the RF board. Headphone still works 
fine.
Roland in Stockton
just completed #3090
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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
The switch in my headphone jack fell apart within a few months even though 
the jack body was still firmly in place. I do use a small right angle plug 
plus quite long light weight leads to an inline 1/4in jack, and seldom 
unplug the headphones.  IMHO the jack is too close to the AF gain control, 
so my headphone jack is going to be moved to the back leaving, a hole in the 
front panel for a LED - blinking about something. I'll look for a better 
quality jack.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

On Friday, July 29 2005, Kevin KD5ONS wrote:


I was using a small phone plug but it still failed after about a year.  I 
use headphones most of the time so never took out the plug for the entire 
time.  When I was going to use the speaker I found the jack had failed. 
There are so many headphones around the house with 1/8 plugs that I would 
never need to use an adapter.  I think it was a bad batch of jacks.

   Kevin.   KD5ONS



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RE: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Geoff, GM3ESD wrote:

The switch in my headphone jack fell apart within a few months even though 
the jack body was still firmly in place. I do use a small right angle plug 
plus quite long light weight leads to an inline 1/4in jack, and seldom 
unplug the headphones.  IMHO the jack is too close to the AF gain control, 

---

AHA! You've uncovered another variable in the equation. As a certified O.T.
CW operator, I set the AF gain at a level just below where the audio channel
noise is apparent in the phones and control the volume of signals with the
RF GAIN control! 

So my fat fingers never crash into the phones plug although I have pinched
one between the AF GAIN and RF GAIN often enough to understand the problem.

Personally, I've daydreamed about moving the RF gain to the RIT/XIT knob
position. Since I use SPLIT I do all my tuning - xmit and rx separately -
with the big knob. 

That way I'd never have to mess with those close-spaced little knobs over on
the left while operating...

Ron AC7AC

 


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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Kevin Rock

Hi Geoff,
   When you find a replacement could you please list it and its part 
number on the Reflector?  I would like to replace mine with one that is 
far more sturdy so it will last longer than it did the first time.

   73,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS




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The switch in my headphone jack fell apart within a few months even 
though the jack body was still firmly in place. I do use a small right 
angle plug plus quite long light weight leads to an inline 1/4in jack, 
and seldom unplug the headphones.  IMHO the jack is too close to the AF 
gain control, so my headphone jack is going to be moved to the back 
leaving, a hole in the front panel for a LED - blinking about something. 
I'll look for a better quality jack.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD



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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Ron, AC7AC wrote:

AHA! You've uncovered another variable in the equation. As a certified O.T.
CW operator, I set the AF gain at a level just below where the audio channel
noise is apparent in the phones and control the volume of signals with the
RF GAIN control!

So my fat fingers never crash into the phones plug although I have pinched
one between the AF GAIN and RF GAIN often enough to understand the problem.

Personally, I've daydreamed about moving the RF gain to the RIT/XIT knob
position. Since I use SPLIT I do all my tuning - xmit and rx separately -
with the big knob.

That way I'd never have to mess with those close-spaced little knobs over on
the left while operating...



Confession time I suppose, I do use CW as well as SSB  g. When operating 
CW I use the AF gain and RF gain controls as you use them, an O.T's. habit 
perhaps, and also use SPLIT to do the tuning in both modes, except when 
hunting around a band.  I cannot recall using RIT nor XIT with the K2. 
Moving the RF gain to the RIT / XIT knob position makes a lot of sense to 
me.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

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Re: [Elecraft] speaker problem

2005-07-29 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

On July 30, 2005, Kevin KD5ONS wrote:

   When you find a replacement could you please list it and its part 
number on the Reflector?  I would like to replace mine with one that is 
far more sturdy so it will last longer than it did the first time.


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Hi Kevin,

Will do, but as all the small jacks with built in switches that I have seen 
look quite flimsy, I just might go whole hog  and put in a 1/4 inch jack on 
the rear panel..I prefer the headphone leads to be out of the way anyway. 
Just thinking about it.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

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