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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

2021-01-26 Thread Todd Zuercher

I was just wondering if there were any examples of how the GRAFCET programming 
might be used in Classiclader.  Thought that if I saw how it might be used I 
might then understand exactly what it was then.  And if any one had actually 
used it with Linuxcnc to know that it actually works with our version of CL.

Thanks for the links Andy I'll look them over and see if I can actually 
understand any of it.

Todd Zuercher
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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 06:07, Dave Cole  wrote:
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> Do you mean writing a sequencer in Classic Ladder?
> As in step logic?

CL supports state based sequential logic, using GRAFCET.

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/ladder/classic_ladder_es.html#_grafcet_programming

There are some "example_sequential" files on the (a?) classicladder github.
https://github.com/cz172638/classicladder-1/tree/main/projects_examples

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

2021-01-26 Thread andy pugh

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 06:07, Dave Cole  wrote:
>
> Do you mean writing a sequencer in Classic Ladder?
> As in step logic?

CL supports state based sequential logic, using GRAFCET.

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/ladder/classic_ladder_es.html#_grafcet_programming

There are some "example_sequential" files on the (a?) classicladder github.
https://github.com/cz172638/classicladder-1/tree/main/projects_examples

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

2021-01-25 Thread Dave Cole


Do you mean writing a sequencer in Classic Ladder?
As in step logic?

Dave

On 1/25/2021 4:33 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:

Does anyone have any examples of Classicladder using a Sequential program?

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

2021-01-25 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson


Den 2021-01-25 kl. 22:33, skrev Todd Zuercher:

Does anyone have any examples of Classicladder using a Sequential program?

Guess you have to implement it as a state machine?

Came to the conclusion there is two methods to implement programs. 
Sequential there program may stop and wait for something or state 
machine. Sequential require some kind of operating system support for 
multi tasking while state machines remember program position by itself 
in some variable so it may be implemented in a function called 
periodically exiting each time.



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[Emc-users] Classicladder Sequential

2021-01-25 Thread Todd Zuercher

Does anyone have any examples of Classicladder using a Sequential program?

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI

2014-01-04 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Dear,

thank you for the answers, I'll check for hide pin I think I have latest
version available 2.5.3. I finished debugging my program and find out that
all modbus parameters are deleted from clp file if I use --nogui option. I
need modbus communication all the time so I'm able to adjust servo drive
internal position points and speeds for my takeout system for lathe.

Best regards.


On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:


 On 2014-01-04 08:04, Chris Morley wrote:
  This is because it is a lot of work to convert it for LCNC, and there has
  been no compelling reason to. If CL supported floats for instance,
  I would probably do it again.
 I agree. If it works well enough without too many problems, leave it as
 it is.
 I decided long ago to avoid CL as it confuses me. I write a C comp instead.

  In fact LCNC is on it's third version of CL.
  Currently we use 7.124
 
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[Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI

2014-01-03 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Dear all,

is there a way to load classicladder without GUI (--nogui option) as modbus
master?

Best regards

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI

2014-01-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg

Klemen
If you just want to test the CL stuff you can download the the Classic 
Ladder program from the creators website. You will have to find the 
version that matches the one used in LCNC. For some reason the classic 
ladder program was not upgraded as time went by. I cannot recall the 
website but I am sure that I found it in the wiki somewhere. I will post 
later if I can find it again.


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 is there a way to load classicladder without GUI (--nogui option) as modbus
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI

2014-01-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg

You can find the latest here http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicladder/
I did contact the creator ad was given the correct version for LCNC. The 
latest version's output files are not compatible with LCNC.
Hope this helps.

On 2014-01-04 07:27, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Klemen
 If you just want to test the CL stuff you can download the the Classic
 Ladder program from the creators website. You will have to find the
 version that matches the one used in LCNC. For some reason the classic
 ladder program was not upgraded as time went by. I cannot recall the
 website but I am sure that I found it in the wiki somewhere. I will post
 later if I can find it again.


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 is there a way to load classicladder without GUI (--nogui option) as modbus
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI

2014-01-03 Thread Chris Morley



 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 22:42:14 +0100
 From: klemen.oze...@gmail.com
 To: Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI
 
 Dear all,
 
 is there a way to load classicladder without GUI (--nogui option) as modbus
 master?
 
 Best regards
 
 Klemen

No, but in master version, there is a pin to hide the GUI.
I don't think it's in 2.5 (but easy to check)

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI

2014-01-03 Thread Chris Morley

. You will have to find the 
 version that matches the one used in LCNC. For some reason the classic 
 ladder program was not upgraded as time went by. 

This is because it is a lot of work to convert it for LCNC, and there has
been no compelling reason to. If CL supported floats for instance,
I would probably do it again.

In fact LCNC is on it's third version of CL.
Currently we use 7.124

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder with modbus and no GUI

2014-01-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg


On 2014-01-04 08:04, Chris Morley wrote:
 This is because it is a lot of work to convert it for LCNC, and there has
 been no compelling reason to. If CL supported floats for instance,
 I would probably do it again.
I agree. If it works well enough without too many problems, leave it as 
it is.
I decided long ago to avoid CL as it confuses me. I write a C comp instead.

 In fact LCNC is on it's third version of CL.
 Currently we use 7.124

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[Emc-users] ClassicLadder Modbus without Editor Window

2013-10-07 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni

In a recent thread about modbus Dave Cole wrote:
Chris Morly made a change about a year ago so the window could be closed
while Classic Ladder was still running.   He added a Hal bit to allow
that.   I'm not sure where it was pushed to, but it was really nice.  :-)

I made a cl rung for running some vfd with modbus, but i like not to
have editor window lurking around.
There is someone who know how? i cant find it :-?
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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder Modbus without Editor Window

2013-10-07 Thread Marius Liebenberg

Pass the option nogui when you instantiate the ladder logic.

On 2013/10/07 02:54 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:
 In a recent thread about modbus Dave Cole wrote:
 Chris Morly made a change about a year ago so the window could be closed
 while Classic Ladder was still running.   He added a Hal bit to allow
 that.   I'm not sure where it was pushed to, but it was really nice.  :-)
 I made a cl rung for running some vfd with modbus, but i like not to
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 There is someone who know how? i cant find it :-?
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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder Modbus without Editor Window

2013-10-07 Thread Chris Morley


 Pass the option nogui when you instantiate the ladder logic.
 

If using CL modbus you can't do that. It doesn't start the
user program, which is what runs modbus.

 On 2013/10/07 02:54 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:
  In a recent thread about modbus Dave Cole wrote:
  Chris Morly made a change about a year ago so the window could be closed
  while Classic Ladder was still running.   He added a Hal bit to allow
  that.   I'm not sure where it was pushed to, but it was really nice.  :-)
  I made a cl rung for running some vfd with modbus, but i like not to
  have editor window lurking around.
  There is someone who know how? i cant find it :-?
  Regards
  Rick

The pinname is:
classicladder.0.hide_gui

It is only in Master.

Not sure if I'll be allowed to include it into 2.5.4

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder Modbus without Editor Window

2013-10-07 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni

maaany thanks Chris, and Marius too for the answers.
Im running master,i have seen that hide_gui pin half million of
times...and forget to remember another half.
regards
rick

2013/10/7 Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com:

 Pass the option nogui when you instantiate the ladder logic.


 If using CL modbus you can't do that. It doesn't start the
 user program, which is what runs modbus.

 On 2013/10/07 02:54 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:
  In a recent thread about modbus Dave Cole wrote:
  Chris Morly made a change about a year ago so the window could be closed
  while Classic Ladder was still running.   He added a Hal bit to allow
  that.   I'm not sure where it was pushed to, but it was really nice.  :-)
  I made a cl rung for running some vfd with modbus, but i like not to
  have editor window lurking around.
  There is someone who know how? i cant find it :-?
  Regards
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 The pinname is:
 classicladder.0.hide_gui

 It is only in Master.

 Not sure if I'll be allowed to include it into 2.5.4

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Float Question

2013-04-19 Thread John Thornton

Not sure if you read the manual but floats are converted to s32's in 
classicladder.

http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_classic_ladder_variables

JT

On 4/19/2013 1:21 AM, Clint Washburn wrote:
 Trying to set up the tool changer...I am not seeing the value change for the
 floated input in classicladder by using the watch function in classicladder
 when typing in MDI tool change.  is there something I am missing.   Hal is
 saying that it is requesting the tool change but I cannot see the value in
 classicladder.  Where should I start looking?

 net tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-change = classicladder.0.in-00
 net tool-number iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number = classicladder.0.s32in-00
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Float Question

2013-04-19 Thread John Thornton

You don't say what kind of tool changer you have but my turret tool 
changer config files are here

http://www.gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml

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On 4/19/2013 1:21 AM, Clint Washburn wrote:
 Trying to set up the tool changer...I am not seeing the value change for the
 floated input in classicladder by using the watch function in classicladder
 when typing in MDI tool change.  is there something I am missing.   Hal is
 saying that it is requesting the tool change but I cannot see the value in
 classicladder.  Where should I start looking?

 net tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-change = classicladder.0.in-00
 net tool-number iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number = classicladder.0.s32in-00
 net tool-cn-done classicladder.0.out-20 = iocontrol.0.tool-changed

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Float Question

2013-04-19 Thread clint

I have the toolchanger set up to run completly with classicladder.  At 
the moment I have tested it manually using pyvcp buttons to execute the 
changer manually.  Now I am at the point where I would like to execute 
the changer via a program or mdi command.

Reading the documentation in my thought process of how it should work 
is this:

I type t06 in the mdi

iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number = outputs value 6
iocontrol.0.tool-change = closes a coil or rising or falling contact 
(i have tried all three.

Classicladder reads the value of 6 from iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number or 
iocontrol.0.tool-number as 6
classicladder operates the tool change to tool 6
Classicladder toolchange complete and closes coil tied to 
iocontrol.0.tool-prepared

Now toolchange is complete.

Am i thinking about this wrong?

is the output of iocontrol.0.tool-number and 
iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number only there momentarily and I dont see it?

Clint




On 2013-04-19 04:41, John Thornton wrote:
 You don't say what kind of tool changer you have but my turret tool
 changer config files are here
 
 http://www.gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml
 
 JT
 
 On 4/19/2013 1:21 AM, Clint Washburn wrote:
 Trying to set up the tool changer...I am not seeing the value change 
 for the
 floated input in classicladder by using the watch function in 
 classicladder
 when typing in MDI tool change.  is there something I am missing.   
 Hal is
 saying that it is requesting the tool change but I cannot see the 
 value in
 classicladder.  Where should I start looking?
 
 net tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-change = classicladder.0.in-00
 net tool-number iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number = 
 classicladder.0.s32in-00
 net tool-cn-done classicladder.0.out-20 = iocontrol.0.tool-changed
 
 Any help appreciated
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Float Question

2013-04-19 Thread John Thornton

I created an example of a tool changer with pyvcp buttons to act as
inputs... it is in this thread.

http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/25790-petes-cincinatti-arrow-500-retrofit?start=50#32219

Tn will only put the integer into tool prep and nothing else. Look at M6
and G43 in the manual.

On 4/19/2013 8:20 AM, cl...@clintandheidi.com wrote:
I have the toolchanger set up to run completly with classicladder. At
the moment I have tested it manually using pyvcp buttons to execute the
changer manually. Now I am at the point where I would like to execute
the changer via a program or mdi command.

Reading the documentation in my thought process of how it should work
is this:

I type t06 in the mdi

iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number = outputs value 6
iocontrol.0.tool-change = closes a coil or rising or falling contact
(i have tried all three.

Classicladder reads the value of 6 from iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number or
iocontrol.0.tool-number as 6
classicladder operates the tool change to tool 6
Classicladder toolchange complete and closes coil tied to
iocontrol.0.tool-prepared

Now toolchange is complete.

Am i thinking about this wrong?

is the output of iocontrol.0.tool-number and
iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number only there momentarily and I dont see it?

Clint

On 2013-04-19 04:41, John Thornton wrote:
You don't say what kind of tool changer you have but my turret tool
changer config files are here

http://www.gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml

On 4/19/2013 1:21 AM, Clint Washburn wrote:
Trying to set up the tool changer...I am not seeing the value change
for the
floated input in classicladder by using the watch function in
classicladder
when typing in MDI tool change. is there something I am missing.
Hal is
saying that it is requesting the tool change but I cannot see the
value in
classicladder. Where should I start looking?

net tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-change = classicladder.0.in-00
net tool-number iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number =
classicladder.0.s32in-00
net tool-cn-done classicladder.0.out-20 = iocontrol.0.tool-changed

Any help appreciated

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder Float Question - suggested change to docs wording

2013-04-19 Thread Kent A. Reed

On 4/19/2013 12:40 PM, John Thornton wrote:
I created an example of a tool changer with pyvcp buttons to act as
inputs... it is in this thread.

http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/25790-petes-cincinatti-arrow-500-retrofit?start=50#32219

Tn will only put the integer into tool prep and nothing else. Look at M6
and G43 in the manual.

Hey, John. Looking at the description of M6 in the gcode docs (v2.5,
HTML version), I see the following

6.1.1 Manual Tool Change

If the HAL component hal_manualtoolchange is loaded, M6 will stop the
spindle and prompt the user to change the tool based on the last T-
number programmed. For more information on hal_manualtoolchange see the
(Manual Tool Change) Section.

...where that parenthetical phrase Manual Tool Change turns out to be
a hyperlink to Section 8. Manual Tool Change in the Axis docs.

Since we are reading a section titled Manual Tool Change the link to
Manual Tool Change seems counterintuitive. At a minimum, I think the
last of the sentence in 6.1.1 should read see the (Manual Tool Change)
Section in the AXIS documentation.

Then one has to ask oneself, why a link to AXIS docs instead of to the
hal_manualtoolchange MAN page? Oh, there is no such MAN page. Oh, yeah,
hal_manualtoolchange is a Python script lumped in with the AXIS code but
usable independently of AXIS.

Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill here, but it seems to me
the user could do with a wee bit more explanation in the gcode docs
rather than making him or her go looking for it. I'd try to write it but
you folks are off in a part of LinuxCNC I know nothing about and would
rather not screw up inadvertently.

By the by, family problems have kept me away from the documentation
effort for some time. It's a joy to see how good the docs look these days:-)

Regards,
Kent

Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

2013-03-08 Thread Marius Liebenberg

Chris,
I just downloaded a version older than what we use in LinuxCNC and it 
works great. I solved my problems already and am busy with the next lot :)

On 2013/03/08 08:48 AM, Chris Morley wrote:

 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 07:27:38 +0200
 From: mar...@mastercut.co.za
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

 Hi Chris,
 I discovered the version issue. I was under the impression (i dont know
 why anymore) that I could only activate the ladder editor with linuxcnc
 running. I am doing all the editing outside of linuxcnc as I dont have
 the customers machine with me.
 How would I call the ladder that is used with linuxcnc?

 Sorry for late reply.
 You could download a simulator version of linuxcnc, and start it from HAL.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

2013-03-07 Thread Chris Morley

 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 07:27:38 +0200
 From: mar...@mastercut.co.za
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

 Hi Chris,
 I discovered the version issue. I was under the impression (i dont know 
 why anymore) that I could only activate the ladder editor with linuxcnc 
 running. I am doing all the editing outside of linuxcnc as I dont have 
 the customers machine with me.
 How would I call the ladder that is used with linuxcnc?

Sorry for late reply.
You could download a simulator version of linuxcnc, and start it from HAL.

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[Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

2013-03-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg

Hi,
I am trying to use the Classicladder editor program - not LinuxCnc - to 
work on ladder programs before I impliment them on an installation. The 
problem is that I cannot get the Classicladder program to save the files 
as .clp it only saves as a .clprj file. Anyone know how to get around 
this problem? I though that the files were compatible.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

2013-03-03 Thread Chris Morley

 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:01:26 +0200
 From: mar...@mastercut.co.za
 To: Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

 Hi,
 I am trying to use the Classicladder editor program - not LinuxCnc - to 
 work on ladder programs before I impliment them on an installation. The 
 problem is that I cannot get the Classicladder program to save the files 
 as .clp it only saves as a .clprj file. Anyone know how to get around 
 this problem? I though that the files were compatible.

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Linuxcnc use a modified version of 7.125.
You can get older versions classicladder from the sourceforge website.
I'm not sure when Marc switched to the new format.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

2013-03-03 Thread Chris Morley



 Linuxcnc use a modified version of 7.125.
 You can get older versions classicladder from the sourceforge website.
 I'm not sure when Marc switched to the new format.
 
 Chris M
 

I'm curious though, Why not just use linuxcnc's version?
linuxcnc's version has a lot of modifications.
I think it would be better to test on the version you will use.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder file compatibility

2013-03-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg

Hi Chris,
I discovered the version issue. I was under the impression (i dont know 
why anymore) that I could only activate the ladder editor with linuxcnc 
running. I am doing all the editing outside of linuxcnc as I dont have 
the customers machine with me.
How would I call the ladder that is used with linuxcnc?


On 2013/03/04 12:47 AM, Chris Morley wrote:

 Linuxcnc use a modified version of 7.125.
 You can get older versions classicladder from the sourceforge website.
 I'm not sure when Marc switched to the new format.

 Chris M
  
 I'm curious though, Why not just use linuxcnc's version?
 linuxcnc's version has a lot of modifications.
 I think it would be better to test on the version you will use.

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis

2012/10/28 Jason Burton lathebuil...@gmail.com:
 Crosstalk between spindle power lines and solenoid control lines perhaps?

As it can be seen in that video, it is purely in software.

2012/10/28 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com:
   I have not had that happen that I know of...  Some things to check on
 is if you have enough objects allocated in your hal file..  (ie loadrt
 classicladder_rt numRungs=12 numBits=100 numWords=10 numTimers=10
 numMonostables=10 numCounters=10 numPhysInputs?=10 numPhysOutputs?=10
 numArithmExpr?=100
 numSections=4 numSymbols=200 ...)

 Funky things happen when you try to add something and there isn't enough
 allocated..

I did at least try to check for that. I did run out of IEC Timers, and
I was also informed about that with error message, so I fixed that.
I feel pretty confident that everything should be fine about this.

 Also - don't have an output (coil) in more than one place..
Ok, I definitely have violated this one. I have outputs being turned
on by timers or by pyvcp buttons, connected to ladder inputs. A
hardware switch selects it.

What is the best approach to fix that? Should I simply leave overall
scheme as it is and use internal coils (%Bnn) so that they turn the
real output on/off only in one place? Or should I put all the possible
inputs for certain output in one rung (or two with some internal coil)
and not as they are now - scattered all in different places according
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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-28 Thread John Thornton

A copy of the ladder file would be a big clue to look at.

John

On 10/27/2012 6:32 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 Hello!

 While working in premises of my customer to add new automatic material
 loading/unloading module for one of my machines, I have encountered
 strange error in ClassicLadder. I took a video on my phone with it:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjkGbpuT50

 I will try to explain:
 The idea is to use classicladder to control valves for pneumatics that
 load the material in machine, hold it in place and then unload.
 When I started working on the ladder logic, everything was working
 fine, but then, at one moment, I think at the moment, when I linked
 one of classicladder input pins to motion.spindle-on, it just stopped
 turning the outputs on and off in a correct manner. Some of outputs
 are working fine, but others are doing I do not know what - seems like
 turning on for a very small amount of time at random moments.
 It is 2.5~pre, installed from buildbot package some time almost a year
 ago. I did copy all the config files, so I can share them, if that
 helps.
 I tried to workaround this with M62/M63 and M64/M65 commands and G4
 inbetween them to specify correct time distances between any 2 events,
 but that did not work out nicely - I did not notice any difference
 after changing almost all P values for G4 command from 0,5 to 3,5.
 Restarting system for several times did not help either. I do not
 know, how many times did I restart LinuxCNC...

 Does anyone has any idea, what went wrong?



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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-28 Thread John Thornton

Sam was talking about a classicladder output. You never have more than 
one output in a ladder logic as the status of the last one wins and that 
will be the state of the output when they are updated.

John

On 10/28/2012 3:38 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 2012/10/28 Jason Burton lathebuil...@gmail.com:
 Crosstalk between spindle power lines and solenoid control lines perhaps?
 As it can be seen in that video, it is purely in software.

 2012/10/28 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com:
I have not had that happen that I know of...  Some things to check on
 is if you have enough objects allocated in your hal file..  (ie loadrt
 classicladder_rt numRungs=12 numBits=100 numWords=10 numTimers=10
 numMonostables=10 numCounters=10 numPhysInputs?=10 numPhysOutputs?=10
 numArithmExpr?=100
 numSections=4 numSymbols=200 ...)

 Funky things happen when you try to add something and there isn't enough
 allocated..
 I did at least try to check for that. I did run out of IEC Timers, and
 I was also informed about that with error message, so I fixed that.
 I feel pretty confident that everything should be fine about this.

 Also - don't have an output (coil) in more than one place..
 Ok, I definitely have violated this one. I have outputs being turned
 on by timers or by pyvcp buttons, connected to ladder inputs. A
 hardware switch selects it.

 What is the best approach to fix that? Should I simply leave overall
 scheme as it is and use internal coils (%Bnn) so that they turn the
 real output on/off only in one place? Or should I put all the possible
 inputs for certain output in one rung (or two with some internal coil)
 and not as they are now - scattered all in different places according
 to sequence of how all the things were added.



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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-28 Thread Jason Burton

Sorry, posted from my phone (didn't see the video).
On Oct 28, 2012 3:44 AM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/10/28 Jason Burton lathebuil...@gmail.com:
  Crosstalk between spindle power lines and solenoid control lines perhaps?

 As it can be seen in that video, it is purely in software.

 2012/10/28 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com:
I have not had that happen that I know of...  Some things to check on
  is if you have enough objects allocated in your hal file..  (ie loadrt
  classicladder_rt numRungs=12 numBits=100 numWords=10 numTimers=10
  numMonostables=10 numCounters=10 numPhysInputs?=10 numPhysOutputs?=10
  numArithmExpr?=100
  numSections=4 numSymbols=200 ...)
 
  Funky things happen when you try to add something and there isn't enough
  allocated..

 I did at least try to check for that. I did run out of IEC Timers, and
 I was also informed about that with error message, so I fixed that.
 I feel pretty confident that everything should be fine about this.

  Also - don't have an output (coil) in more than one place..
 Ok, I definitely have violated this one. I have outputs being turned
 on by timers or by pyvcp buttons, connected to ladder inputs. A
 hardware switch selects it.

 What is the best approach to fix that? Should I simply leave overall
 scheme as it is and use internal coils (%Bnn) so that they turn the
 real output on/off only in one place? Or should I put all the possible
 inputs for certain output in one rung (or two with some internal coil)
 and not as they are now - scattered all in different places according
 to sequence of how all the things were added.

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-28 Thread Fernando Mederos

Hi,
You can not multiplex coils, as inactive coils will force a 0 to the
signal. With internal coils will happen the same.

 Or should I put all the possible
 inputs for certain output in one rung

This is one way to do it.

You may also use set/reset coils instead of normal coils, these you can put
a many as you want, but the logic may get more complicated.

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis

2012/10/28 Fernando Mederos fmede...@gmail.com:
 Hi,
 You can not multiplex coils, as inactive coils will force a 0 to the
 signal. With internal coils will happen the same.

 Or should I put all the possible
 inputs for certain output in one rung

 This is one way to do it.

 You may also use set/reset coils instead of normal coils, these you can put
 a many as you want, but the logic may get more complicated.


Thank You, guys, a lot!
I think that I finally got, what did I do wrong.

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-28 Thread jeremy youngs

so what was wrong? were hangin here :)
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[Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis

Hello!

While working in premises of my customer to add new automatic material
loading/unloading module for one of my machines, I have encountered
strange error in ClassicLadder. I took a video on my phone with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjkGbpuT50

I will try to explain:
The idea is to use classicladder to control valves for pneumatics that
load the material in machine, hold it in place and then unload.
When I started working on the ladder logic, everything was working
fine, but then, at one moment, I think at the moment, when I linked
one of classicladder input pins to motion.spindle-on, it just stopped
turning the outputs on and off in a correct manner. Some of outputs
are working fine, but others are doing I do not know what - seems like
turning on for a very small amount of time at random moments.
It is 2.5~pre, installed from buildbot package some time almost a year
ago. I did copy all the config files, so I can share them, if that
helps.
I tried to workaround this with M62/M63 and M64/M65 commands and G4
inbetween them to specify correct time distances between any 2 events,
but that did not work out nicely - I did not notice any difference
after changing almost all P values for G4 command from 0,5 to 3,5.
Restarting system for several times did not help either. I do not
know, how many times did I restart LinuxCNC...

Does anyone has any idea, what went wrong?

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-27 Thread s...@highlab.com

Can you reproduce it in sim?

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Hello!

While working in premises of my customer to add new automatic material
loading/unloading module for one of my machines, I have encountered
strange error in ClassicLadder. I took a video on my phone with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjkGbpuT50

I will try to explain:
The idea is to use classicladder to control valves for pneumatics that
load the material in machine, hold it in place and then unload.
When I started working on the ladder logic, everything was working
fine, but then, at one moment, I think at the moment, when I linked
one of classicladder input pins to motion.spindle-on, it just stopped
turning the outputs on and off in a correct manner. Some of outputs
are working fine, but others are doing I do not know what - seems like
turning on for a very small amount of time at random moments.
It is 2.5~pre, installed from buildbot package some time almost a year
ago. I did copy all the config files, so I can share them, if that
helps.
I tried to workaround this with M62/M63 and M64/M65 commands and G4
inbetween them to specify correct time distances between any 2 events,
but that did not work out nicely - I did not notice any difference
after changing almost all P values for G4 command from 0,5 to 3,5.
Restarting system for several times did not help either. I do not
know, how many times did I restart LinuxCNC...

Does anyone has any idea, what went wrong?

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-27 Thread Jason Burton

Crosstalk between spindle power lines and solenoid control lines perhaps?
 On Oct 27, 2012 6:36 PM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!

 While working in premises of my customer to add new automatic material
 loading/unloading module for one of my machines, I have encountered
 strange error in ClassicLadder. I took a video on my phone with it:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjkGbpuT50

 I will try to explain:
 The idea is to use classicladder to control valves for pneumatics that
 load the material in machine, hold it in place and then unload.
 When I started working on the ladder logic, everything was working
 fine, but then, at one moment, I think at the moment, when I linked
 one of classicladder input pins to motion.spindle-on, it just stopped
 turning the outputs on and off in a correct manner. Some of outputs
 are working fine, but others are doing I do not know what - seems like
 turning on for a very small amount of time at random moments.
 It is 2.5~pre, installed from buildbot package some time almost a year
 ago. I did copy all the config files, so I can share them, if that
 helps.
 I tried to workaround this with M62/M63 and M64/M65 commands and G4
 inbetween them to specify correct time distances between any 2 events,
 but that did not work out nicely - I did not notice any difference
 after changing almost all P values for G4 command from 0,5 to 3,5.
 Restarting system for several times did not help either. I do not
 know, how many times did I restart LinuxCNC...

 Does anyone has any idea, what went wrong?

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder error

2012-10-27 Thread sam sokolik

  I have not had that happen that I know of...  Some things to check on 
is if you have enough objects allocated in your hal file..  (ie loadrt 
classicladder_rt numRungs=12 numBits=100 numWords=10 numTimers=10 
numMonostables=10 numCounters=10 numPhysInputs?=10 numPhysOutputs?=10 
numArithmExpr?=100
numSections=4 numSymbols=200 ...)

Funky things happen when you try to add something and there isn't enough 
allocated..

Also - don't have an output (coil) in more than one place..

sam
On 10/27/2012 08:31 PM, Jason Burton wrote:
 Crosstalk between spindle power lines and solenoid control lines perhaps?
   On Oct 27, 2012 6:36 PM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!

 While working in premises of my customer to add new automatic material
 loading/unloading module for one of my machines, I have encountered
 strange error in ClassicLadder. I took a video on my phone with it:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjkGbpuT50

 I will try to explain:
 The idea is to use classicladder to control valves for pneumatics that
 load the material in machine, hold it in place and then unload.
 When I started working on the ladder logic, everything was working
 fine, but then, at one moment, I think at the moment, when I linked
 one of classicladder input pins to motion.spindle-on, it just stopped
 turning the outputs on and off in a correct manner. Some of outputs
 are working fine, but others are doing I do not know what - seems like
 turning on for a very small amount of time at random moments.
 It is 2.5~pre, installed from buildbot package some time almost a year
 ago. I did copy all the config files, so I can share them, if that
 helps.
 I tried to workaround this with M62/M63 and M64/M65 commands and G4
 inbetween them to specify correct time distances between any 2 events,
 but that did not work out nicely - I did not notice any difference
 after changing almost all P values for G4 command from 0,5 to 3,5.
 Restarting system for several times did not help either. I do not
 know, how many times did I restart LinuxCNC...

 Does anyone has any idea, what went wrong?

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-13 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Hi,

in terminal window i get following text without any values:

## RTAI latency calibration tool ##
# period = 10 (ns)
# avrgtime = 1 (s)
# do not use the FPU
# start the timer
# timer_mode is oneshot

RTAI Testsuite - KERNEL latency (all data in nanoseconds)
RTH|lat min|ovl min|lat avg|lat max|ovl max|   overruns



Br

Klemen


On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:39 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12 August 2012 18:45, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

  fee0-fee00fff Local APIC

 Well, there goes my first guess.

 From the command line does
 cd /usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/testsuite/kern/latency
 ./run
 Give you anything, or an instructive error message?

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-13 Thread andy pugh

On 13 August 2012 09:52, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

 in terminal window i get following text without any values:

This is possibly an issue that the RTAI folks would be more
knowledgeable about. The problem lies outside of LinuxCNC.
Do you see anything in dmesg after trying the text-mode latency test?

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-13 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Hi,

in dmesg i get following text:

[0.450028] libata version 3.00 loaded.
[0.450028] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[0.450028] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[0.450028] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[0.450028] ACPI: WMI: Mapper loaded
[0.450028] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
[0.450028] pci :00:00.0: BAR 3: address space collision on of
device [0xe000-0x]
[0.450028] pci :00:00.0: BAR 3: can't allocate resource
[0.450028] NetLabel: Initializing
[0.450028] NetLabel:  domain hash size = 128
[0.450028] NetLabel:  protocols = UNLABELED CIPSOv4
[0.450028] NetLabel:  unlabeled traffic allowed by default
[0.450028] Switching to clocksource tsc
[0.450028] AppArmor: AppArmor Filesystem Enabled
[0.450028] pnp: PnP ACPI init
[0.450028] ACPI: bus type pnp registered
[0.450553] pnp 00:0b: mem resource (0xcf800-0xc) overlaps
:00:00.0 BAR 3 (0x0-0x1fff), disabling
[0.450555] pnp 00:0b: mem resource (0xf-0xf7fff) overlaps
:00:00.0 BAR 3 (0x0-0x1fff), disabling
[0.450557] pnp 00:0b: mem resource (0xf8000-0xfbfff) overlaps
:00:00.0 BAR 3 (0x0-0x1fff), disabling
[0.450559] pnp 00:0b: mem resource (0xfc000-0xf) overlaps
:00:00.0 BAR 3 (0x0-0x1fff), disabling
[0.450561] pnp 00:0b: mem resource (0x0-0x9) overlaps :00:00.0
BAR 3 (0x0-0x1fff), disabling
[0.450563] pnp 00:0b: mem resource (0x10-0xcfde) overlaps
:00:00.0 BAR 3 (0x0-0x1fff), disabling
[0.450618] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 12 devices
[0.450619] ACPI: ACPI bus type pnp unregistered
[0.450621] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP
[0.450627] system 00:01: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has been reserved
[0.450628] system 00:01: ioport range 0x220-0x225 has been reserved
[0.450630] system 00:01: ioport range 0x290-0x294 has been reserved
[0.450633] system 00:02: ioport range 0x4100-0x411f has been reserved
[0.450635] system 00:02: ioport range 0x228-0x22f has been reserved
[0.450637] system 00:02: ioport range 0x40b-0x40b has been reserved
[0.450639] system 00:02: ioport range 0x4d6-0x4d6 has been reserved
[0.450640] system 00:02: ioport range 0xc00-0xc01 has been reserved
[0.450642] system 00:02: ioport range 0xc14-0xc14 has been reserved
[0.450644] system 00:02: ioport range 0xc50-0xc52 has been reserved
[0.450645] system 00:02: ioport range 0xc6c-0xc6d has been reserved
[0.450647] system 00:02: ioport range 0xc6f-0xc6f has been reserved
[0.450649] system 00:02: ioport range 0xcd0-0xcd1 has been reserved
[0.450650] system 00:02: ioport range 0xcd2-0xcd3 has been reserved
[0.450652] system 00:02: ioport range 0xcd4-0xcdf has been reserved
[0.450654] system 00:02: ioport range 0x4000-0x40fe has been reserved
[0.450655] system 00:02: ioport range 0x4210-0x4217 has been reserved
[0.450657] system 00:02: ioport range 0xb00-0xb0f has been reserved
[0.450659] system 00:02: ioport range 0xb10-0xb1f has been reserved
[0.450661] system 00:02: ioport range 0xb20-0xb3f has been reserved
[0.450665] system 00:0a: iomem range 0xe000-0xefff has been
reserved
[0.450668] system 00:0b: iomem range 0xcfdf-0xcfdf could not be
reserved
[0.450670] system 00:0b: iomem range 0x-0x has been
reserved
[0.450672] system 00:0b: iomem range 0xcfe0-0xcfef has been
reserved
[0.450674] system 00:0b: iomem range 0xcff0-0xcfff could not be
reserved
[0.450676] system 00:0b: iomem range 0xfec0-0xfec00fff could not be
reserved
[0.450678] system 00:0b: iomem range 0xfee0-0xfee00fff has been
reserved
[0.450680] system 00:0b: iomem range 0xfff8-0xfffe has been
reserved
[0.485274] pci :00:02.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus :01
[0.485276] pci :00:02.0:   IO window: 0xe000-0xefff
[0.485278] pci :00:02.0:   MEM window: 0xfdd0-0xfddf
[0.485280] pci :00:02.0:   PREFETCH window:
0x00d000-0x00dfff
[0.485284] pci :00:14.4: PCI bridge, secondary bus :02
[0.485286] pci :00:14.4:   IO window: 0xd000-0xdfff
[0.485291] pci :00:14.4:   MEM window: 0xfdf0-0xfdff
[0.485294] pci :00:14.4:   PREFETCH window: 0xfde0-0xfdef
[0.485304]   alloc irq_desc for 18 on node -1
[0.485305]   alloc kstat_irqs on node -1
[0.485312] pci :00:02.0: PCI INT A - GSI 18 (level, low) - IRQ 18
[0.485315] pci :00:02.0: setting latency timer to 64
[0.485322] pci_bus :00: resource 0 io:  [0x00-0x]
[0.485323] pci_bus :00: resource 1 mem: [0x00-0x]
[0.485325] pci_bus :01: resource 0 io:  [0xe000-0xefff]
[0.485327] pci_bus :01: resource 1 mem: [0xfdd0-0xfddf]
[0.485329] pci_bus :01: resource 2 pref mem [0xd000-0xdfff]
[0.485330] pci_bus :02: resource 0 io:

Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Dear,

I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
(execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first boot
of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running anymore.
Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all available
updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still nothing. I also tried
to run some simulation configurations but without success. What could be
the problem?

Best regards.



On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11 August 2012 13:25, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

  if I run classicladder standalone (without EMC) with following commands
 it
  is not working - not refreshing:
 ...
  Best Regards

 You need to start the threads. A simple start command will do it.
 You can see if the threads are running with show thread. 0 for the
 execution time means the thread is not running.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Matt Shaver

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:16:14 +0200
Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

 I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
 (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again
 from LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on
 first boot of the system and when I want to start it again it is not
 running anymore. Restarting the system does not help. I also try to
 install all available updates from build in ubuntu update manager but
 still nothing. I also tried to run some simulation configurations but
 without success. What could be the problem?

I have no idea what's wrong, but if you could list all your system
hardware (motherboard, RAM, CPU, disk, adapter cards if any, etc) that
might help.

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Mark Wendt

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear,

 I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
 (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
 LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first boot
 of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running anymore.
 Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all available
 updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still nothing. I also tried
 to run some simulation configurations but without success. What could be
 the problem?

 Best regards.

Klemen,

When you say all available updates, you didn't by chance update the
OS, did you?  What version of Ubuntu are you running?

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Viesturs Lācis

2012/8/12 Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Dear,

 I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
 (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
 LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first boot
 of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running anymore.
 Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all available
 updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still nothing. I also tried
 to run some simulation configurations but without success. What could be
 the problem?

 Best regards.

 Klemen,

 When you say all available updates, you didn't by chance update the
 OS, did you?  What version of Ubuntu are you running?

And which kernel version do You currently have?

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Hello,

No I didn't update OS. Ubuntu is 10.04 LTS version and
kernel 2.6.32-122-rtai.

Best regards.

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote:

 2012/8/12 Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com:
  On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Dear,
 
  I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
  (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
  LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first
 boot
  of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running
 anymore.
  Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all available
  updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still nothing. I also
 tried
  to run some simulation configurations but without success. What could be
  the problem?
 
  Best regards.
 
  Klemen,
 
  When you say all available updates, you didn't by chance update the
  OS, did you?  What version of Ubuntu are you running?

 And which kernel version do You currently have?

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Gene Heskett

On Sunday 12 August 2012 11:17:30 Klemen Ozebek did opine:

 Dear,
 
 I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
 (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
 LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first
 boot of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running
 anymore. Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all
 available updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still
 nothing. I also tried to run some simulation configurations but without
 success. What could be the problem?
 
 Best regards.
 
I'd expect that your LiveCD did not restrict the kernel updates.  LinuxCNC 
ONLY runs with the kernel it installs, which must never be updated, at 
least until a new RTAI enabled kernel has been built.

Do a uname -r in a terminal window, and show us what answer you get.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Hi,

I did uname -r and I got 2.6.32-122-rtai.

Br.

Klemen

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Sunday 12 August 2012 11:17:30 Klemen Ozebek did opine:

  Dear,
 
  I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
  (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
  LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first
  boot of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running
  anymore. Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all
  available updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still
  nothing. I also tried to run some simulation configurations but without
  success. What could be the problem?
 
  Best regards.
 
 I'd expect that your LiveCD did not restrict the kernel updates.  LinuxCNC
 ONLY runs with the kernel it installs, which must never be updated, at
 least until a new RTAI enabled kernel has been built.

 Do a uname -r in a terminal window, and show us what answer you get.

 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Hi,

I also tried to run latency test from liveCD but did not run.

Br.

Klemen

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Sunday 12 August 2012 11:17:30 Klemen Ozebek did opine:

  Dear,
 
  I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
  (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
  LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first
  boot of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running
  anymore. Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all
  available updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still
  nothing. I also tried to run some simulation configurations but without
  success. What could be the problem?
 
  Best regards.
 
 I'd expect that your LiveCD did not restrict the kernel updates.  LinuxCNC
 ONLY runs with the kernel it installs, which must never be updated, at
 least until a new RTAI enabled kernel has been built.

 Do a uname -r in a terminal window, and show us what answer you get.

 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread sam sokolik

as matt asked above - what is your hardware?  Sounds like an issue with 
your hardware not liking the realtime kernel patches...
On 08/12/2012 12:14 PM, Klemen Ozebek wrote:
 Hi,

 I also tried to run latency test from liveCD but did not run.

 Br.

 Klemen

 On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Sunday 12 August 2012 11:17:30 Klemen Ozebek did opine:

 Dear,

 I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
 (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
 LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first
 boot of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running
 anymore. Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all
 available updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still
 nothing. I also tried to run some simulation configurations but without
 success. What could be the problem?

 Best regards.

 I'd expect that your LiveCD did not restrict the kernel updates.  LinuxCNC
 ONLY runs with the kernel it installs, which must never be updated, at
 least until a new RTAI enabled kernel has been built.

 Do a uname -r in a terminal window, and show us what answer you get.

 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Gene Heskett

On Sunday 12 August 2012 13:22:33 Klemen Ozebek did opine:

 Hi,
 
 I did uname -r and I got 2.6.32-122-rtai.
 
 Br.
 
 Klemen
 
That is correct.  I'll let someone more familiar lead to the next test step 
then.  Because I would be guessing and probably wrong.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Hi,

you can check hardware spec. in attachment.

Br.

Klemen

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:20 PM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote:

as matt asked above - what is your hardware? Sounds like an issue with
your hardware not liking the realtime kernel patches...

On 08/12/2012 12:14 PM, Klemen Ozebek wrote:

Hi,

I also tried to run latency test from liveCD but did not run.

Br.

Klemen

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

On Sunday 12 August 2012 11:17:30 Klemen Ozebek did opine:

Dear,

I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
(execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again from
LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once on first
boot of the system and when I want to start it again it is not running
anymore. Restarting the system does not help. I also try to install all
available updates from build in ubuntu update manager but still
nothing. I also tried to run some simulation configurations but without
success. What could be the problem?

Best regards.

I'd expect that your LiveCD did not restrict the kernel updates.
LinuxCNC
ONLY runs with the kernel it installs, which must never be updated, at
least until a new RTAI enabled kernel has been built.

Do a uname -r in a terminal window, and show us what answer you get.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Viesturs Lācis

2012/8/12 Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com:
 Hi,

 you can check hardware spec. in attachment.


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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Hi,

see list of hardware below:

evices
Processor
Processors
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor 3415.44MHz
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor 3415.44MHz
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor 3415.44MHz
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor 3415.44MHz
Memory
Memory
Total Memory 3353180 kB
Free Memory 2786632 kB
Buffers 35800 kB
Cached 281244 kB
Cached Swap 0 kB
Active 280316 kB
Inactive 220692 kB
Active(anon) 188380 kB
Inactive(anon) 16 kB
Active(file) 91936 kB
Inactive(file) 220676 kB
Unevictable 116 kB
Mlocked 116 kB
High Memory 2496456 kB
Free High Memory 2018100 kB
Low Memory 856724 kB
Free Low Memory 768532 kB
Virtual Memory 9822200 kB
Free Virtual Memory 9822200 kB
Dirty 132 kB
Writeback 0 kB
AnonPages 184116 kB
Mapped 70236 kB
Shmem 4416 kB
Slab 26680 kB
SReclaimable 16868 kB
SUnreclaim 9812 kB
KernelStack 2216 kB
PageTables 4664 kB
NFS_Unstable 0 kB
Bounce 0 kB
WritebackTmp 0 kB
CommitLimit 11498788 kB
Committed_AS 638588 kB
VmallocTotal 122880 kB
VmallocUsed 23004 kB
VmallocChunk 94700 kB
HardwareCorrupted 0 kB
HugePages_Total 0
HugePages_Free 0
HugePages_Rsvd 0
HugePages_Surp 0
Hugepagesize 4096 kB
DirectMap4k 12280 kB
DirectMap4M 897024 kB
PCI Devices
PCI Devices
Host bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge Alternate
PCI bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (ext gfx
port 0)
SATA controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [IDE mode]
(prog-if 01)
USB Controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller
(prog-if 10)
USB Controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700 USB OHCI1 Controller (prog-if 10)
USB Controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB EHCI Controller
(prog-if 20)
USB Controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller
(prog-if 10)
USB Controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700 USB OHCI1 Controller (prog-if 10)
USB Controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB EHCI Controller
(prog-if 20)
SMBus ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 3c)
IDE interface ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 IDE Controller (prog-if 8a
[Master SecP PriP])
Audio device ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
ISA bridge ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 LPC host controller
PCI bridge ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge (prog-if 01)
USB Controller ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI2 Controller
(prog-if 10)
Host bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K10 [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron]
HyperTransport Configuration
Host bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K10 [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron]
Address Map
Host bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K10 [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron]
DRAM Controller
Host bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K10 [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron]
Miscellaneous Control
Host bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K10 [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron]
Link Control
VGA compatible controller ATI Technologies Inc Juniper [Radeon HD 5700
Series]
Audio device ATI Technologies Inc Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series]
Ethernet controller Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
(rev 10)
FireWire (IEEE 1394) Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller
(PHY/Link) (prog-if 10)
USB Devices
Printers
Printers (CUPS)
SCX-4200-Series Default
Battery
No batteries
No batteries found on this system
Sensors
Input Devices
Input Devices
Power Button
Power Button
Macintosh mouse button emulation
Logitech Logitech USB Keyboard
Logitech Logitech USB Keyboard
Logitech USB Optical Mouse
Storage
SCSI Disks
ATA WDC WD5000AADS-0
ATA WDC WD15EARS-22Z
Optiarc DVD RW AD-7241S
DMI
BIOS
Date 10/11/2010
Vendor Award Software International, Inc. (www.award-bios.com)
Version F8
Board
Name GA-880GM-UD2H
Vendor Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. (www.gigabyte.com.tw)
Resources
I/O Ports
-001f dma1
0020-0021 pic1
0040-0043 timer0
0050-0053 timer1
0060-0060 keyboard
0064-0064 keyboard
0070-0073 rtc0
0080-008f dma page reg
00a0-00a1 pic2
00c0-00df dma2
00f0-00ff fpu
0170-0177 ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 IDE Controller (prog-if 8a
[Master SecP PriP])
0170-0177 low-level driver for ATI IXP200/300/400
01f0-01f7 ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 IDE Controller (prog-if 8a
[Master SecP PriP])
01f0-01f7 low-level driver for ATI IXP200/300/400
0220-0225 pnp 00:01
0228-022f pnp 00:02
0290-0294 pnp 00:01
0376-0376 ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 IDE Controller (prog-if 8a
[Master SecP PriP])
0376-0376 low-level driver for ATI IXP200/300/400
03c0-03df vga+
03f2-03f2 floppy
03f4-03f5 floppy
03f6-03f6 ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 IDE Controller (prog-if 8a
[Master SecP PriP])
03f6-03f6 low-level driver for ATI IXP200/300/400
03f7-03f7 floppy
03f8-03ff serial
040b-040b pnp 00:02
04d0-04d1 pnp 00:01
04d6-04d6 pnp 00:02
0b00-0b0f pnp 00:02
0b10-0b1f pnp 00:02
0b20-0b3f pnp 00:02
0c00-0c01 pnp 00:02
0c14-0c14 pnp 00:02
0c50-0c52 pnp 00:02
0c6c-0c6d pnp 00:02
0c6f-0c6f pnp 00:02
0cd0-0cd1 pnp 00:02
0cd2-0cd3 pnp 00:02
0cd4-0cdf pnp 00:02
0cf8-0cff PCI conf1
4000-40fe pnp 00:02
4000-4003 ACPI PM1a_EVT_BLK
4004-4005 ACPI PM1a_CNT_BLK
4008-400b ACPI

Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread Gene Heskett

On Sunday 12 August 2012 17:38:29 Klemen Ozebek did opine:

 Hi,
 
 you can check hardware spec. in attachment.
 
 Br.
 
 Klemen
 
This list does not accept attachments, so it was stripped by the time this 
msg arrived here.  Post the link instead.

 On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:20 PM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com 
wrote:
  as matt asked above - what is your hardware?  Sounds like an issue
  with your hardware not liking the realtime kernel patches...
  
  On 08/12/2012 12:14 PM, Klemen Ozebek wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I also tried to run latency test from liveCD but did not run.
  
  Br.
  
  Klemen
  
  On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com 
wrote:
   On Sunday 12 August 2012 11:17:30 Klemen Ozebek did opine:
   Dear,
   
  I also started the thread with start command but it's not running
  (execution time = 0). Today I installed OS with LinuxCNC once again
  from LiveCD and I found out that latency test is running just once
  on first boot of the system and when I want to start it again it
  is not running anymore. Restarting the system does not help. I
  also try to install all available updates from build in ubuntu
  update manager but still nothing. I also tried to run some
  simulation configurations but without success. What could be the
  problem?
  
  Best regards.
  
   I'd expect that your LiveCD did not restrict the kernel updates.
   
   LinuxCNC
  
  ONLY runs with the kernel it installs, which must never be updated,
  at least until a new RTAI enabled kernel has been built.
  
  Do a uname -r in a terminal window, and show us what answer you
  get.
  
  Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-12 Thread andy pugh

On 12 August 2012 18:45, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

 fee0-fee00fff Local APIC

Well, there goes my first guess.

From the command line does
cd /usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/testsuite/kern/latency
./run
Give you anything, or an instructive error message?

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[Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-11 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Dear all,

if I run classicladder standalone (without EMC) with following commands it
is not working - not refreshing:

loadrt threads name1=med period1=1
loadrt classicladder_rt
addf classicladder.0.refresh med
start
loadusr -w classicladder

What I did wrong?

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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder standalone

2012-08-11 Thread Matt Shaver

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:06:19 +0200
Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear all,
 
 if I run classicladder standalone (without EMC) with following
 commands it is not working - not refreshing:
 
 loadrt threads name1=med period1=1
 loadrt classicladder_rt
 addf classicladder.0.refresh med
 start
 loadusr -w classicladder
 
 What I did wrong?

I don't know, but I tried these commands myself and it appears to be
running judging from the update time displayed in the upper right
corner of the CL UI. If you have a .clp file to try, post it and I'll
try that out on my machine.

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder standalone

2012-08-11 Thread Chris Morley





 Dear all,
 
 if I run classicladder standalone (without EMC) with following commands it
 is not working - not refreshing:
 
 loadrt threads name1=med period1=1
 loadrt classicladder_rt
 addf classicladder.0.refresh med
 start
 loadusr -w classicladder
 
 What I did wrong?
 

As Matt said this is coded right - it works.
What makes you think it isn't updating?
if you see numbers changing in the right hand corner then it is updating.
If you load a program from the GUI you may need to start the refreshing
with the start button.

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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder standalone

2012-08-11 Thread Klemen Ozebek

Thank you for the answers, I tried both sugesstions but it must be
something wrong with my system because latancy test is also not runing.

Best regards.

Klemen
Dne 11. avg. 2012 18:30 je Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com napisal/-a:

 On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:06:19 +0200
 Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  if I run classicladder standalone (without EMC) with following
  commands it is not working - not refreshing:
 
  loadrt threads name1=med period1=1
  loadrt classicladder_rt
  addf classicladder.0.refresh med
  start
  loadusr -w classicladder
 
  What I did wrong?

 I don't know, but I tried these commands myself and it appears to be
 running judging from the update time displayed in the upper right
 corner of the CL UI. If you have a .clp file to try, post it and I'll
 try that out on my machine.

 Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-11 Thread andy pugh

On 11 August 2012 13:25, Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com wrote:

 if I run classicladder standalone (without EMC) with following commands it
 is not working - not refreshing:
...
 Best Regards

You need to start the threads. A simple start command will do it.
You can see if the threads are running with show thread. 0 for the
execution time means the thread is not running.

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-12 Thread yann jautard



Dave wrote:
   Using  a Grafcet chart or charts, along with some ladder 
 logic files might be an improvement vs using strictly ladder logic.


   

yeah, this is exactly my point of view. making a state machine with 
ladder is quite annoying, using some grafcet to do it make it very simpler.

I join my custom.clp file, if you want to have a look at it. here it is 
:  http://filebin.ca/eztwq/custom.clp



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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-12 Thread yann jautard



Chris Morley wrote:

 I will try to work on any glaring bugs.

   

Hi Chris (and others ! )

In this email I'll try to list all the problems I encountered using the 
grafcet editor in EMC.

First, this is the clp file we are talking about :  
http://filebin.ca/eztwq/custom.clp

The first real bug I think I've found with the grafcet interpreter is :  
%X0, corresponding to the initial step state in my grafcet never become 
true, even if the state IS active. So I can't do the required 
initialisation for my system to work properly.

This is what the grafcet should look like : 
http://imagebin.ca/view/CNXk0nbd.html

And this is what is actually working, with a trick to go around the bug 
: http://imagebin.ca/view/DjYMF7X.html
I changed the inital step for a step witch do nothing, and changed the 
0 step for another one, and so it work as expected.

The other problems more looks like limitations that real bugs.
One really boring point is shown up in my grafcet by the steps with a 
true transition I had to add all along the thing. These must be used 
due to the editor limitation : It's impossible to make a link without 
linking a transition to a step. And it's also impossible to have two 
links pointing to the same step. This complicates the whole thing for 
nothing. E.G. the steps 9, 10, 12, 13, 14 are completely useless in the 
process I describe in this grafcet, there are here just to go around 
limitations.
And sometimes you just can't use link at all, then you have to delete 
concerned step and transition, save, close EMC, then open it again, add 
again your step and transition, then if you are lucky the editor accept 
to make the link. And if you are even more lucky, the link work as expected.

This is I think indeed a bug : sometimes links don't work : when the 
transition leading to the link is validated, the active state goes... 
nowhere. No more step become active, and the state machine is frozen up.

I had to redraw several times the grafcet I use to get all the link 
working properly.

For what I've seen, as you draw the thing without changing anything (i 
mean without deleting then redrawing), things work quite well. But when 
you start changing things, link problems starts.

Also something problematic is that the editor is _SLOW_. I mean _VERY 
SLOW_ for example when editing steps properties and adding transition or 
something, you edit the first one, then OK, then change tool to add a 
transition, add it, edit its associated variable, OK, then the gui 
refresh and show the thing..., and then sometimes the gui stops 
refreshing at all, but still respond to mouse clicks, so you have to 
click blindly somewhere expecting you are above the OK button of the 
editor window, then the save button of the main window...

And when looking at the grafcet working, it often takes several seconds 
to update, so you changed between lots of states before anything really 
cange on the GUI.

That sounds quite strange to me, as the ladder part of the gui is also 
quite slow, but keeps responding in a usable manner. And considering 
evaluating the state of a state machine is not something that requires 
so many calculations, why is it so slow ?

Another limitation/bug : the add and insert buttons in the grafcet 
editor wont work, using them froze up the whole thing.

So ou can only use modify on the grafcet editor.

Works well as you don't need your state machine to be larger than the 
default window... Yeah, you can use two or three or more sections if you 
need a larger graph, but to achieve this you must add states only to 
trigg a transition on the next section, this add useless complexity to 
your process. And of course with the risk of error or sync problem 
between sections like you can have when making a state machine using 
only ladder logic.


But even with those limitations and problems, I have to say grafcet in 
EMC works quite well.
It's really usefull everywhere you need a state machine. Tool changer 
automatisation is a perfect example that will speak for most of you.
But could do lots of other useful things. Like switching glues tanks :) 
Or controlling coolant system, or... anything.

I also seriously consider using hal and classicladder/grafcet to use a 
PC as automatic system for controlling things like the ventilation 
system and lights of our building.

I will write something to improve the doc, and I will add my stuff to 
the wiki as a complete example of grafcet usage.
But no time for now, I must use the machine (and its working grafcet :P 
) to make, then sell some PV panels before :)

yann

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-12 Thread Stuart Stevenson

Chris,
  Your work is greatly appreciated. I use classic ladder on every machine. I
tried the EMC integrated SFC programming and put it on the front burner to
learn/use ASAP. I didn't work with it long enough to believe any problems
were not my fault. Sorry for the lack of effort on my part.
  Ten years ago I used IsaGRAF with MDSI's OpenCNC. OpenCNC required the
main program to be SFC and the other 4 languages to function inside the SFC
program. I did not become expert at any of them. I used it to retrofit 3
Cinci 5 axis machines. I found it very flexible and powerful.
  The technical (and my personal) programing development ceased at the next
upgrade. OpenCNC moved from QNX or Windows to run ONLY on Windows. I lost
all interest in pursuing development in OpenCNC. I did (and still do) refuse
to run my machines on Windows. One of the QNX/OpenCNC machines is still
running. One broke and is sitting in a back corner disassembled. One of the
QNX/OpenCNC projects is now running EMC2. I know - OpenCNC on Windows is a
modified kernel running the Windows you interface with as an application.
  I thought my use of SFC/ladder was probably over when I started using
EMC2. I am able to get what I need using C but the integration classicladder
and now SFC is exciting. My C projects are not really recognizable as C but
they seem to work for me. HEH :) :)
  I see so much nice and exciting work being done in the EMC2 world I wish I
could clone (and educate) myself to be able to contribute to each and every
project.
Thank you very much for your work.
Stuart

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-09 Thread yann jautard

Hi Chris

I finally managed to get my grafcet working, thanks to the link you 
mentionned. It sound stupid, but... nowhere in the doc nor anywhere 
there is the info that grafcet steps are related to %X1 %X2 etc 
variables to acces them with the ladder ! This saved my week of work :) :)

I'm preparing a more detailled email on how my stuff work, and with the 
bugs I pointed out with the editor and the interpreter.

Also a special thank to Dave for his so detailled email that also saved 
me lost of reading and head-scratching.

a preview of the final grafcet I use : 
http://imagebin.ca/view/CNXk0nbd.html (not exactly the last one but 
looks the same.)

Yann

Chris Morley wrote:
   
 Dave wrote:
 
 (snip)

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-09 Thread Chris Morley




 I finally managed to get my grafcet working, thanks to the link you 
 mentionned. It sound stupid, but... nowhere in the doc nor anywhere 
 there is the info that grafcet steps are related to %X1 %X2 etc 
 variables to acces them with the ladder ! This saved my week of work :) :)
 

actually the integrators manual does : last paragraph:

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_9

 I'm preparing a more detailled email on how my stuff work, and with the 
 bugs I pointed out with the editor and the interpreter.
 

Please consider adding to the clasicladder example wiki page when your done.
Grafcet is not documented well because not many use it. (like ummm just you)
If you could write a bit for the manual that would be great too.
You could send it ti John Thorton or I to integrate it in the manual.
hay even point form notes would be a good starting point.

I will try to work on any glaring bugs.

 a preview of the final grafcet I use : 
 http://imagebin.ca/view/CNXk0nbd.html (not exactly the last one but 
 looks the same.)
 
 Yann

Wow that looks impressive! can't wait for the explanation.

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-09 Thread Dave

Hi Yann,

I'm very glad to hear that you were able to get Grafcet to work.  I 
think you have inspired me to give it a try also.   That looks similar 
to the sequential function charts that I have used before, but with
less detail.   Using  a Grafcet chart or charts, along with some ladder 
logic files might be an improvement vs using strictly ladder logic.

I'm looking forward to your write up as well!  :-)

Dave

On 7/9/2010 3:03 PM, yann jautard wrote:
 Hi Chris

 I finally managed to get my grafcet working, thanks to the link you
 mentionned. It sound stupid, but... nowhere in the doc nor anywhere
 there is the info that grafcet steps are related to %X1 %X2 etc
 variables to acces them with the ladder ! This saved my week of work :) :)

 I'm preparing a more detailled email on how my stuff work, and with the
 bugs I pointed out with the editor and the interpreter.

 Also a special thank to Dave for his so detailled email that also saved
 me lost of reading and head-scratching.

 a preview of the final grafcet I use :
 http://imagebin.ca/view/CNXk0nbd.html (not exactly the last one but
 looks the same.)

 Yann

 Chris Morley wrote:


  
 Dave wrote:

 (snip)

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-08 Thread Dave

Yann,

You are welcome..

Try putting Classic Ladder into stop mode via the stop button before 
editing the logic.   Then once you are done editing, always save it with 
the save button, then push the run button to start the logic engine.

I think some instability make sneak into CL if you try to do an edit 
while the logic engine is running.  If you see the stop button then 
you are running, as it changes to a run button when
you are stopped.   I have never tried to print from CL.  Although I 
thought I saw it written someplace that there are some bugs that prevent 
the print function from working properly.

I have CL running ladder logic with EMC2 v 2.4.1 on Ubuntu 10.4 and also 
with the current development master 2.5_pre and the ladder logic is 
quite stable if I stick to doing edits in stop mode.

Hal can be a powerful interface for EMC2 but I find it a lot more 
difficult to configure and debug than CL.

Ask questions if you don't understand the logic.   Hopefully I did not 
make any errors in the example.

Dave

On 7/7/2010 3:32 PM, yann jautard wrote:

 Dave wrote:

 Yann,

 So you are saying that the sequential editor in Classic Ladder Grafcet
 freezes up?


  
 yeah it does strange things, crash when printing, freezes up sometimes,
 or don't save anything...



 I use the Classic Ladder - Ladder editor quite a bit and I don't have
 any freezing problems with that.

 The only recent Classic Ladder changes that I am aware of are Modbus
 related, not logical editor related.

 What you need to do is to establish a state engine in Ladder.   That
 gets around racing issues for the most part.

  
 Yeah, this is exactly why I wanted to use grafcet : it is dedicated to
 implement state machines.


 There are some other techniques to avoid race issues but I will skip
 those now for clarity..

 A program that you need might look like the following:  (Look at this in
 fixed width type)
 (snip)
  
 wow ! thanks for that detailled answer ! I will try tomorow to figure
 out how what you suggest work.

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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-08 Thread Chris Morley



 Dave wrote:
  Yann,
 
  So you are saying that the sequential editor in Classic Ladder Grafcet 
  freezes up?
 

 yeah it does strange things, crash when printing, freezes up sometimes, 
 or don't save anything...
 

Congrats you are the firt and only person that I know that has tried to
use Grafcet.
Did you manage tp get any program made?
do you know specifically what makes Grafcet behave badly.

I have had a small program run using Grafcet just for a sample:

 
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ClassicLadderExamples#Sequential_samples

you can have a Grafcet program with out a ladder program as far as I can tell,
its just limiting what you can do (just state machine)

if you can be specific about the problems then maybe we can fix it .


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[Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-07 Thread yann jautard

Hi

Second try to send this mail to the list...

For the machine I'm building, I've to use two glue tanks.

When one is empty, the second one is automatically switched on, then at 
the next end of the program, the user has to refill the empty tank 
before he can restart another cycle.

Then if on the next cycle the second tank become empty, the machine 
switchs back to the first one, and so on.

If  for some reasons the two tanks are empty at the same time, program 
is paused and user have to refill both before it can resume the program.

To manage this system, I planned to use some grafcet programming, as 
this was widely used in France during my studies, it is quite natural 
for me to use it.

I know ladder is prefered by most people, but ladder is something like 
chinese for me... Specially this : /

ALL the inputs are read, ALL the logic is figured out, then ALL the 
outputs are set. This can presents a problem in certain circumstance if 
the output of one line feeds the input of another. 
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder_classic_ladder.html/

This is exactly a problem for me because to chose what tank to turn on 
depends on wich one was in use before the tank_n_empty event happens.

I also see this in the doc : /
Sequential programs do not work alone-there is always a ladder program 
as well that controls the variables./
Well, I figure I can live with that.

But... Sequential editor simply don't work, selecting anything other 
than modify frozes the whole thing. And when using modify you can do 
some editing, but not all can be done. Specially you can't use 
TRANSITION LINK-DOWNSIDE/UPSIDE, and I need some...

I use 2.4.0pre from mozmck experimental packages. May be this is a 
issues with this particular version ? Is this fixed in next release ? Or 
do I need to switch back to an older one ?

Or if you have some link that can explain me how to convert my grafcet 
program to a ladder one, that would be great.

In the end, I can turn my grafcet to a physical Dlatch schema that will 
be implemented with HAL. But I suspect this is not the funny way to do...

Thanks

Yann


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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-07 Thread Andy Pugh

On 7 July 2010 08:08, yann jautard brico...@free.fr wrote:

 In the end, I can turn my grafcet to a physical Dlatch schema that will
 be implemented with HAL. But I suspect this is not the funny way to do...

Hopefully somebody can answer the question you actually asked, but it
might not be too bad in HAL.
You could also consider writing a very simple HAL component using Comp.
Define input pins for tank1 empty, tank2 empty and perhaps end-of-cycle
Output pins for valve1, valve 2 and stop

Then a few lines of if-else-endif logic in C code.

Comp makes it really pretty easy.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal_comp.html
Look at the examples at the bottom to see how easy it can be.


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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-07 Thread Kirk Wallace

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 12:46 +0100, Andy Pugh wrote:
 On 7 July 2010 08:08, yann jautard brico...@free.fr wrote:
... snip
 Comp makes it really pretty easy.
 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal_comp.html
 Look at the examples at the bottom to see how easy it can be.

Yann: Just in case you consider using a comp, here is a link to my tool
changer component:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/turret-1f.comp 

The main idea here is that the component runs or loops at the rate of
the thread that it is assigned to (usually the servo thread, and usually
every 1 millisecond). Different machine states or case are assigned,
then the loop checks the current state, invokes a solution, then updates
the state for the next loop cycle. Writing a custom comp lets one assign
input pins, such as Tank 1 Sensor, Tank 2 Sensor, and output pins such
as Pause and Low Tank Level Warning Indicator. The inputs define a
state. The outputs are set according to the case that matches the state.
The comp pins are connected to EMC2, such as switch inputs and relay
outputs on the parallel port, in your .hal file.

Also, you may be able to use a Python, Bash, Basic or other script
interfaced to EMC2 with M100:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#sec:M100-to-M199: 

I don't think your application needs real-time, so the above might be
usable.

Or, check out O codes:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#cha:O-Codes 

I seem to recall, there might be another pause on pin state condition
built into another g-code.
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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-07 Thread Dave

Yann,

So you are saying that the sequential editor in Classic Ladder Grafcet 
freezes up?

I use the Classic Ladder - Ladder editor quite a bit and I don't have 
any freezing problems with that.

The only recent Classic Ladder changes that I am aware of are Modbus 
related, not logical editor related.

What you need to do is to establish a state engine in Ladder.   That 
gets around racing issues for the most part.

There are some other techniques to avoid race issues but I will skip 
those now for clarity..

A program that you need might look like the following:  (Look at this in 
fixed width type)


Start system:  State 1
   i0B1  B0
-|   |--| \ |--{L}--
 |  B1  In process
 |---{L}--


Run with whatever glue tank is full starting with Glue pot 1

   Glue pot 1 fullState 2 - Use Glue pot 1
i1B0 B2
-| ||   |---{L}--
|  |  B0
|  |-{U}--
   B6   |  |  B6
--| |- |  | {U}--




Glue pot 2 full
State 3 - Use 
Glue pot 2
  i2 B0  B3
| ||   |---{L}--
   |  | B0
   |  |-{U}--
B5 |  | B5
| |  |-{U}--




Glue pot 1 and 2  emptyState 4   Both tanks 
empty when system was started!
  i2i1B0B4   Honk horn?
-| |---| |---| |---{L}--
 |  B0
 |-{U}--

  State 4
B4
-| |[ timer for 3 seconds ]

  3 sec timer times outB4  State 4
| |--{U}--   Reset State 
4 and reset system to off
  |B1In process
  |-- {U}---


Was running with glue pot 1 but now glue pot 1 is empty
but glue pot 2 is full

 Glue pot 1 emptyState 2   State 5   
Run now with glue pot 2
i1   i2 Glue pot 2 full   B2B5
-| \ |--| |--| |---{L}--
  | B2
  |-{U}--



Was running with glue pot 2 but now glue pot 2 is empty
but glue pot 1 is full

 Glue pot 1 full  State 3  State 6   
Run now with glue pot 1
i1i2 Glue pot 2 empty  B3B6
-|  |--|\ |--| |---{L}--
  |  B3
  |-{U}--


Was running and then both Glue Pots became empty
Glue pot 1 and 2 empty
B2   i1 i2 B7 State 
7   Pause system via Hal
---| |--|\|--|\|--{L}-
B3|  | B2
---| |---|  |-{U}--
 | B3
 |-{U}--

 State 7
B7
-| |[ timer for 2 seconds ]

  2 sec timer times outB7  State 7
| |--{U}--   Reset 
State 7 and reset system to off
  |B1In process   Must 
fill glue pots, restart glue system and unpause EMC
  |-- {U}---



The trick to thinking about this logic is that when you move to a new 
state, you need to release or unlatch the old state
That makes the logic sequential..


Now to connect the logic bits to the outputs:   The easy part.

B2  Q1Glue 
pot 1 valve
---| |-{ }---

 B3   Q2   Glue 
pot 2 valve
---|

Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-07 Thread yann jautard



Kirk Wallace wrote:
 (snip)
  Different machine states or case are assigned,
 then the loop checks the current state, invokes a solution, then updates
 the state for the next loop cycle. (snip)
   
Yeah this is exactly the purpose of grafcet : a language to easily 
describe state machines.


thanks for you ideas, I may do it with something like you do in the end. 
(And I should have started  with it, will be finished at this time :/ )



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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder : sequential editor problem/bug

2010-07-07 Thread yann jautard



Dave wrote:
 Yann,

 So you are saying that the sequential editor in Classic Ladder Grafcet 
 freezes up?

   
yeah it does strange things, crash when printing, freezes up sometimes, 
or don't save anything...


 I use the Classic Ladder - Ladder editor quite a bit and I don't have 
 any freezing problems with that.

 The only recent Classic Ladder changes that I am aware of are Modbus 
 related, not logical editor related.

 What you need to do is to establish a state engine in Ladder.   That 
 gets around racing issues for the most part.
   
Yeah, this is exactly why I wanted to use grafcet : it is dedicated to 
implement state machines.

 There are some other techniques to avoid race issues but I will skip 
 those now for clarity..

 A program that you need might look like the following:  (Look at this in 
 fixed width type)
 (snip)
wow ! thanks for that detailled answer ! I will try tomorow to figure 
out how what you suggest work.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder problem

2010-02-05 Thread Rudy du Preez


Dave wrote

I assume the TMn.P is the preset value for a timer?

Are you saying that when you enter the preset value into the program and 
and run it, it works.  But the preset value is lost after shutting down 
EMC2 and restarting?

Does this occur even when you are not using an assignment to write to 
the preset value?

2-90 ms is a fast timer.  I wonder if the timer simply cannot run with 
such a short preset.

Dave

Yes, the timers have various variables, with the preset value the one I am
using.

After shutting down and restarting, The ASSIGNMENT operation seems to stop
functioning. It is something like the following:

%TM0.P = 16*(%IW1 - %IW0)

As said before, I cant see the value of TM0.P in the WATCH window while
running. It seems to be set to zero, even though %IW1  %IW0.

Sorry I made a mistake, the preset values are from 2*100 ms to 90*100 ms.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder problem

2010-02-05 Thread Dave

Rudy,

I'd probably put another assignment statement below the existing one, 
but assign the value to a register that you can monitor.
That way you can make sure the value is a legit timer preset value.

Dave


On 2/5/2010 8:11 AM, Rudy du Preez wrote:
 Dave wrote


 I assume the TMn.P is the preset value for a timer?

 Are you saying that when you enter the preset value into the program and
 and run it, it works.  But the preset value is lost after shutting down
 EMC2 and restarting?

 Does this occur even when you are not using an assignment to write to
 the preset value?

 2-90 ms is a fast timer.  I wonder if the timer simply cannot run with
 such a short preset.

 Dave
  
 Yes, the timers have various variables, with the preset value the one I am
 using.

 After shutting down and restarting, The ASSIGNMENT operation seems to stop
 functioning. It is something like the following:

 %TM0.P = 16*(%IW1 - %IW0)

 As said before, I cant see the value of TM0.P in the WATCH window while
 running. It seems to be set to zero, even though %IW1  %IW0.

 Sorry I made a mistake, the preset values are from 2*100 ms to 90*100 ms.

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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder problem

2010-02-05 Thread Chris Morley




 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:12:01 -0500
 From: e...@dc9.tzo.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder problem
 
 Rudy,
 
 I'd probably put another assignment statement below the existing one, 
 but assign the value to a register that you can monitor.
 That way you can make sure the value is a legit timer preset value.
 
 Dave
 

To watch the (eg) new style timer preset:
open the watch window
change one of the %Wx values to %TM0.P
then you can see the timer preset value
This is the same for all the variables
you can even watch bit variables that way

  
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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder

2009-06-29 Thread juanjo

Hello Chris, thanks

i see, i suspect as the stock classic ladder need some tweek
to be integrated in the emc chain.

i try later to get the LATEST 2.3.1 and see the changes
my dude now is i get the updated via Synaptic the last week
so i need to se why no get V2.3.1-

I want to play with Modbus..

greetings.

Juanjo




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 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:31:01 -0300
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 Subject: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder
 
 
 
 Hello guys.
 
 i update to the version lattest version of EMC2 -
 2.2.8.
 well ran fine, but i see the Classic Ladder version and i
 see
 the  V0.7.100,  

CM Actually EMC 's latest version is 2.3.1 with a highly
CM modified version of classicladder 7.124

 
 i see in the home page of
 Classicladder and see a version
 V0.8.4 , i get it, but i cant Make
 due a missing lib called libgio
 anybody have a listing of
 dependencies to compile Classic ladder for emc2

CM The parent versions of CL are not compatible with EMC 
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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder

2009-06-29 Thread Andy Pugh

2009/6/29 juanjo j...@arnet.com.ar:

 i try later to get the LATEST 2.3.1 and see the changes
 my dude now is i get the updated via Synaptic the last week
 so i need to se why no get V2.3.1-

This page explains why, and how to upgrade:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.3

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[Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson

Gentlemen,
   Ubuntu 6.06
   EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
   Cinci 5axis machine
   the var %I7 shows on
   the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not run
   screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991
   config files are here www.mpm1.com:8080/cinci.*
   on shutdown I receive an error - ULAPI: WARNING: module
'HAL_classicladder' failed to delete shmem 03
   ERROR
CLASSICLADDER-   Error intializing classicladder user module.
   question?
thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Chris Radek

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Gentlemen,
Ubuntu 6.06
EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
Cinci 5axis machine
the var %I7 shows on
the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not run
screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991


This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.  The
timer change, and other important things you should know, are on the
UPDATING page.

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_changes


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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread stustev

Chris,
  Argh - reading and thinking
Where is the automagic script?
Thanks - I will work on it :)
Stuart
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:39:45 
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Gentlemen,
Ubuntu 6.06
EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
Cinci 5axis machine
the var %I7 shows on
the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not run
screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991


This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.  The
timer change, and other important things you should know, are on the
UPDATING page.

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_changes


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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson

I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use %W's.
The link did not help me.
I

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Radekch...@timeguy.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Gentlemen,
    Ubuntu 6.06
    EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
    Cinci 5axis machine
    the var %I7 shows on
    the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not run
    screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991


 This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.  The
 timer change, and other important things you should know, are on the
 UPDATING page.

 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_changes


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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson

Is there another place to look?


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Stuart Stevensonstus...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use %W's.
 The link did not help me.
 I

 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Radekch...@timeguy.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Gentlemen,
    Ubuntu 6.06
    EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
    Cinci 5axis machine
    the var %I7 shows on
    the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not run
    screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991


 This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.  The
 timer change, and other important things you should know, are on the
 UPDATING page.

 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_changes


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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos

Stuart Stevenson wrote:

Is there another place to look?

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Stuart Stevensonstus...@gmail.com wrote:
  

I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use %W's.
The link did not help me.
I


Did you notice the part where it says to connect the C pin to the E 
pin if you want timers to act like they did before?

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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson

yes
I didn't think I was to that point yet. I don't see the state of the
%I7 contact change to start the timer.
How do I connect the C pin to the E pin?
thanks
Stuart

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Stephen Wille Padnosspad...@sover.net wrote:
 Stuart Stevenson wrote:

Is there another place to look?

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Stuart Stevensonstus...@gmail.com wrote:


I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use %W's.
The link did not help me.
I


 Did you notice the part where it says to connect the C pin to the E
 pin if you want timers to act like they did before?

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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos

Stuart Stevenson wrote:

yes
I didn't think I was to that point yet. I don't see the state of the
%I7 contact change to start the timer.
How do I connect the C pin to the E pin?
  

What I did when going through this with a user was to open the CL 
editor, go to edit mode, select the vertical wire icon, and make a 
vertical connection on the left side of the timer block.  it will 
connect the two inputs together.

Sorry I can't be more specific about it, I don't really know CL very well.

Unfortunately, I really can't help with the %I7 contact not changing. Sorry.

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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread John Thornton

Stuart,

I missed some of the chat on this but in your image you need to connect C and E 
together 
or the timer will not work.

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_7_3

John

On 29 Jun 2009 at 14:56, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

 I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use
 %W's.
 The link did not help me.
 I
 
 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Radekch...@timeguy.com
 wrote:
  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson
 wrote:
  Gentlemen,
     Ubuntu 6.06
     EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
     Cinci 5axis machine
     the var %I7 shows on
     the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not
 run
     screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991
 
 
  This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.
  The
  timer change, and other important things you should know, are on
 the
  UPDATING page.
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson

I don't know CL well either.
Let me modify the question about how to link C and E.
I have two rungs. The add button seems to only want to edit the other
rung. How do I get it to change rungs so I can add a link between C
and E?

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Stephen Wille Padnosspad...@sover.net wrote:
 Stuart Stevenson wrote:

yes
I didn't think I was to that point yet. I don't see the state of the
%I7 contact change to start the timer.
How do I connect the C pin to the E pin?


 What I did when going through this with a user was to open the CL
 editor, go to edit mode, select the vertical wire icon, and make a
 vertical connection on the left side of the timer block.  it will
 connect the two inputs together.

 Sorry I can't be more specific about it, I don't really know CL very well.

 Unfortunately, I really can't help with the %I7 contact not changing. Sorry.

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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson

John,
   The problem (at this time) is not the knowledge of the needed
change it is the how to do it. I do not know how to get the CL editor
to edit the rung the timer is in. The CL editor picks the other rung
to edit.
thanks
Stuart

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Stuart,

 I missed some of the chat on this but in your image you need to connect C and 
 E together
 or the timer will not work.

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_7_3

 John

 On 29 Jun 2009 at 14:56, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

 I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use
 %W's.
 The link did not help me.
 I

 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Radekch...@timeguy.com
 wrote:
  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson
 wrote:
  Gentlemen,
     Ubuntu 6.06
     EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
     Cinci 5axis machine
     the var %I7 shows on
     the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not
 run
     screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991
 
 
  This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.
  The
  timer change, and other important things you should know, are on
 the
  UPDATING page.
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread K.J. Kirwan

Stuart,

Did you try coming away from the timer left one
segment to draw in the vertical line instead of
just jumping straight across?  Sometimes CL will
refuse one thing but accept it in a different way.
(You'll have to add a short horizontal segment too.)

Also, it seems to make a difference how you point
the editor at the layout grid.  Try pointing at
the intersections, the blanks, and the centers of
the horizontal and vertical grid segments; what it
wants seems to vary by what item you're inserting.

Hope this helps.

Kim


Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 John,
The problem (at this time) is not the knowledge of the needed
 change it is the how to do it. I do not know how to get the CL editor
 to edit the rung the timer is in. The CL editor picks the other rung
 to edit.
 thanks
 Stuart
 
 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Stuart,

I missed some of the chat on this but in your image you need to connect C and 
E together
or the timer will not work.

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_7_3

John

On 29 Jun 2009 at 14:56, Stuart Stevenson wrote:


I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use
%W's.
The link did not help me.
I

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Radekch...@timeguy.com
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson

wrote:

Gentlemen,
   Ubuntu 6.06
   EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
   Cinci 5axis machine
   the var %I7 shows on
   the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not

run

   screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991


This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.

 The

timer change, and other important things you should know, are on

the

UPDATING page.



http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_c
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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread John Thornton

You need to pick the rung you want to edit and when you pick it the side
rails turn red then select Modify in the little Editor window. Now it turns 
to 
bluish squares. Pick the vertical line tool (middle one on the third row of the 
Editor
window and left click between the C and the E and a line will pop in place. 
Now select Ok in the Editor window...

John

On 29 Jun 2009 at 16:17, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

 John,
The problem (at this time) is not the knowledge of the needed
 change it is the how to do it. I do not know how to get the CL
 editor
 to edit the rung the timer is in. The CL editor picks the other
 rung
 to edit.
 thanks
 Stuart
 
 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Stuart,
 
  I missed some of the chat on this but in your image you need to
 connect C and E together
  or the timer will not work.
 
 
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_
 7_3
 
  John
 
  On 29 Jun 2009 at 14:56, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 
  I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use
  %W's.
  The link did not help me.
  I
 
  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris
 Radekch...@timeguy.com
  wrote:
   On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson
  wrote:
   Gentlemen,
      Ubuntu 6.06
      EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
      Cinci 5axis machine
      the var %I7 shows on
      the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does
 not
  run
      screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991
  
  
   This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.
   The
   timer change, and other important things you should know, are
 on
  the
   UPDATING page.
  
  
 
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_c
  hanges
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Chris Morley


Stuart:

If I understand the problem you can't edit the rung because 
you have to 'make active' the rung first (each rung is 6 lines wide).
scroll the page till you see the rung you want to edit.
You should see a colour change around the left and right
sides (black to red). Red is the 'active' rung. It seems that 
while scrolling up vrs down  the point that it switches is
different.
Anyways once you have the red border in the right rung.
hit the edit button and modify. I'm sure you can get it from there.

Chris Morley

 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:17:03 -0500
 From: stus...@gmail.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning
 
 John,
The problem (at this time) is not the knowledge of the needed
 change it is the how to do it. I do not know how to get the CL editor
 to edit the rung the timer is in. The CL editor picks the other rung
 to edit.
 thanks
 Stuart
 
 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote:
  Stuart,
 
  I missed some of the chat on this but in your image you need to connect C 
  and E together
  or the timer will not work.
 
  http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_7_3
 
  John
 
  On 29 Jun 2009 at 14:56, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 
  I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use
  %W's.
  The link did not help me.
  I
 
  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Radekch...@timeguy.com
  wrote:
   On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson
  wrote:
   Gentlemen,
  Ubuntu 6.06
  EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
  Cinci 5axis machine
  the var %I7 shows on
  the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not
  run
  screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991
  
  
   This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.
   The
   timer change, and other important things you should know, are on
  the
   UPDATING page.
  
  
  http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_c
  hanges
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

2009-06-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson

thanks guys - it is working now

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Chris Morleychrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Stuart:

 If I understand the problem you can't edit the rung because
 you have to 'make active' the rung first (each rung is 6 lines wide).
 scroll the page till you see the rung you want to edit.
 You should see a colour change around the left and right
 sides (black to red). Red is the 'active' rung. It seems that
 while scrolling up vrs down  the point that it switches is
 different.
 Anyways once you have the red border in the right rung.
 hit the edit button and modify. I'm sure you can get it from there.

 Chris Morley

 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:17:03 -0500
 From: stus...@gmail.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] classicladder not functioning

 John,
    The problem (at this time) is not the knowledge of the needed
 change it is the how to do it. I do not know how to get the CL editor
 to edit the rung the timer is in. The CL editor picks the other rung
 to edit.
 thanks
 Stuart

 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote:
  Stuart,
 
  I missed some of the chat on this but in your image you need to connect C 
  and E together
  or the timer will not work.
 
  http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_7_3
 
  John
 
  On 29 Jun 2009 at 14:56, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 
  I just got back and looked at the configs and wiki. I don't use
  %W's.
  The link did not help me.
  I
 
  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Radekch...@timeguy.com
  wrote:
   On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:19:18AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson
  wrote:
   Gentlemen,
      Ubuntu 6.06
      EMC2-trunk (git pull this morning)
      Cinci 5axis machine
      the var %I7 shows on
      the section dislay %I7 is not on and the lube timer does not
  run
      screen shot is here http://imagebin.org/53991
  
  
   This must be an old ladder you've brought forward from 2.2.
   The
   timer change, and other important things you should know, are on
  the
   UPDATING page.
  
  
  http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Classicladder_c
  hanges
  
  
  
  
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[Emc-users] ClassicLadder

2009-06-28 Thread jjr



Hello guys.

i update to the version lattest version of EMC2 -
2.2.8.
well ran fine, but i see the Classic Ladder version and i
see
the  V0.7.100,  

i see in the home page of
Classicladder and see a version
V0.8.4 , i get it, but i cant Make
due a missing lib called libgio
anybody have a listing of
dependencies to compile Classic ladder for emc2?

thanks in
advance

Juanjo
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Re: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder

2009-06-28 Thread Chris Morley




 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:31:01 -0300
 From: j...@arnet.com.ar
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] ClassicLadder
 
 
 
 Hello guys.
 
 i update to the version lattest version of EMC2 -
 2.2.8.
 well ran fine, but i see the Classic Ladder version and i
 see
 the  V0.7.100,  

Actually EMC 's latest version is 2.3.1 with a highly
modified version of classicladder 7.124

 
 i see in the home page of
 Classicladder and see a version
 V0.8.4 , i get it, but i cant Make
 due a missing lib called libgio
 anybody have a listing of
 dependencies to compile Classic ladder for emc2

The parent versions of CL are not compatible with EMC 
without a lot of changes.

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[Emc-users] Classicladder/MODBUS

2008-10-23 Thread Chris Morley


7.124 is included with EMC TRUNK . TRUNK gives you all the cutting edge work 
that people have included. It can have bugs of course. It's possible to add 
classiclader 7.124 to a production EMC (like 2.2x) but probably not worth the 
trouble.
The version 8.02 you found on sourceforge is the parent program that Marc Le 
Douarain wrote/develops. We take his work and adapt it for EMC and develop it 
for our needs/wants.

Chris


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 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Serial IO Interface
 
 Question, do you mean that version 7.124 can be compiled into emc now or
 do you just want us to play with it aside from emc?
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder/MODBUS

2008-10-23 Thread Dave Keeton

I have the trunk version you pointed to in an earlier message. What is
the proper command format to compile it? I followed the instructions on
the EMC wiki but I may not be doing it right! make is not
working..

Dave


On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 19:26 +, Chris Morley wrote:
 7.124 is included with EMC TRUNK . TRUNK gives you all the cutting edge work 
 that people have included. It can have bugs of course. It's possible to add 
 classiclader 7.124 to a production EMC (like 2.2x) but probably not worth the 
 trouble.
 The version 8.02 you found on sourceforge is the parent program that Marc Le 
 Douarain wrote/develops. We take his work and adapt it for EMC and develop it 
 for our needs/wants.
 
 Chris
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Classicladder

2008-07-30 Thread Chris Morley


I added a ladder sample that should be a good start of what you want to do in 
the wikki.
www.wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ClassicLadder


 
 I looked through the examples in the download of classicladder on the 
 sourceforge and there was no examples of the counter being used that I saw
 
 
 and the switch on the gear motor doing the counting:
 
 NO contact on the left and this hooks to the U(up counting) input on the 
 counter ?
 
 Is the value of the counter usable in a compare block?
 
 Thanks
 
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