Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-26 Thread Dave Andreoli

- "Toma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:

> Renaming widgets to E17 theme might work since that group covers the
> main e17 interface.
> Toma

Yes, maybe rename it to 'Full E17 theme'?
Dave

> 
> On 7/26/08, Dave Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > - "Andrew G. Stack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> The new site looks nice -- I like the fact that it has nice big
> >> screen
> >> shots and I'm sure it will be less work for morlenxus. :)  I'm
> >> traveling right now but as soon as I get back I'll get to work on
> an
> >> updated version of steampunk and upload it (I want to theme a few
> >> more
> >> modules first).
> >>
> >> One question I have regarding the themes:  let's say I was a new
> user
> >> and wanted to download "a theme" for e17.  Where would I look?  It
> >> seems the themes section is divided up into all the parts of e17
> but
> >> there is no option for just an e17 theme.  Obviously there is no
> >> clear
> >> definition for what a complete e17 theme might be, for example,
> mine
> >> is
> >> missing quite a few parts like entrance, etk & ewl widgets, etc.,
> but
> >> it seems like an additional tab under themes for e17 themes would
> be
> >> nice.  Or maybe a way to rank the themes based on the completeness
> of
> >> their included list?  So if I just want to download something to
> >> replace the default e17 theme I can browse some of the more
> complete
> >> themes and pick one.
> >
> > I agree: for a new user is such confusing. And another request: IMO
> we miss
> > an 'homepage' field in apps/modules, for example penguins is in cvs
> and
> > I don't know where to put the link to the penguins page.
> > Also should be usefull to have the ability to upload more than 1
> screenshot.
> >
> > Just my two cents...
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andrew
> >> (Rooster)
> >>
> >> --- Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ladies and Gentlemen!
> >> >
> >> > We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
> >> > http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
> >> >
> >> > This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based
> applications
> >> > and modules for these applications. It was built specifically
> for
> >> E,
> >> > and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
> >> > automatically detect themes and allow users
> >> > to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
> >> >
> >> > Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will
> >> > hopefully
> >> > become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
> >> >
> >> > We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes
> >> looking
> >> > around, create an account and upload some content as the only
> work
> >> on
> >> > there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this
> is
> >> a
> >> > great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to
> >> show
> >> > some appreciation for all your hard effort!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from
> the
> >> > Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
> >> > http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please
> >> direct
> >> > any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
> >> >
> >> > mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let
> you
> >> > download and install themes from exchange without having to
> visit
> >> the
> >> > website and go through the hassle of installing them.
> >> >
> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
> >> > (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is
> something
> >> to
> >> > keep an eye on!)
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-26 Thread Toma
2008/7/27 Sthithaprajna Garapaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> There is a way to see all the themes that apply to enlightenment.
> If you go into the enlightenment app
> http://exchange.enlightenment.org/application/show/4
> and scroll down, it shows a list of themes that apply to it.
> Of course, it shows any theme that applies, not "complete" themes, so
> it catches border themes and wallpapers too.
>
> There is no practical definition for a complete theme, because there
> are way too many things to theme, and... even if a theme is complete
> in themeing everything in the core E, it will probably leave out a
> whole bunch of 3rd party modules.
> Also, using "widgets" can work right now, because all the themes that
> are complete provide widgets, but.. I actually made half of a
> widget-only theme.. to be a generic theme that can be matched with
> some border themes.. so that wont really apply for long..
>
> We need a clear definition, so I can translate that into a category.
> What do you think about checking for:
> 1. Border
> 2. Widget
> 3. Shelf
> 4. Wallpaper
> and if it contains themes for all these components, marking it as an
> full Enlightenment theme.. Is there something else that needs to be in
> that list?
>

I like it. Personally I never call any of my themes anywhere near dun
unlit they have an Execbuf and Winlist theme too. But at the end of
the day, theyre still just modules.

>
> As far as a homepage link for apps and modules, please feel free to
> put that link in the description.
> Most apps and modules in CVS dont have a homepage, so it would be
> empty for the majority of apps/themes.
>
> -Sthitha
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Renaming widgets to E17 theme might work since that group covers the
>> main e17 interface.
>> Toma
>>
>> On 7/26/08, Dave Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> - "Andrew G. Stack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
>>>
 Hi all,

 The new site looks nice -- I like the fact that it has nice big
 screen
 shots and I'm sure it will be less work for morlenxus. :)  I'm
 traveling right now but as soon as I get back I'll get to work on an
 updated version of steampunk and upload it (I want to theme a few
 more
 modules first).

 One question I have regarding the themes:  let's say I was a new user
 and wanted to download "a theme" for e17.  Where would I look?  It
 seems the themes section is divided up into all the parts of e17 but
 there is no option for just an e17 theme.  Obviously there is no
 clear
 definition for what a complete e17 theme might be, for example, mine
 is
 missing quite a few parts like entrance, etk & ewl widgets, etc., but
 it seems like an additional tab under themes for e17 themes would be
 nice.  Or maybe a way to rank the themes based on the completeness of
 their included list?  So if I just want to download something to
 replace the default e17 theme I can browse some of the more complete
 themes and pick one.
>>>
>>> I agree: for a new user is such confusing. And another request: IMO we miss
>>> an 'homepage' field in apps/modules, for example penguins is in cvs and
>>> I don't know where to put the link to the penguins page.
>>> Also should be usefull to have the ability to upload more than 1 screenshot.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents...
>>> Thanks
>>> Dave
>>>

 Cheers,
 Andrew
 (Rooster)

 --- Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 > Ladies and Gentlemen!
 >
 > We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
 > http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
 >
 > This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
 > and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for
 E,
 > and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
 > automatically detect themes and allow users
 > to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
 >
 > Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will
 > hopefully
 > become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
 >
 > We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes
 looking
 > around, create an account and upload some content as the only work
 on
 > there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is
 a
 > great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to
 show
 > some appreciation for all your hard effort!
 >
 >
 > For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
 > Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
 > http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please
 direct
 > any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
 >
 > mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
 > download and install themes from exchange without having to visit
 the
 > website 

Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-26 Thread Sthithaprajna Garapaty
There is a way to see all the themes that apply to enlightenment.
If you go into the enlightenment app
http://exchange.enlightenment.org/application/show/4
and scroll down, it shows a list of themes that apply to it.
Of course, it shows any theme that applies, not "complete" themes, so
it catches border themes and wallpapers too.

There is no practical definition for a complete theme, because there
are way too many things to theme, and... even if a theme is complete
in themeing everything in the core E, it will probably leave out a
whole bunch of 3rd party modules.
Also, using "widgets" can work right now, because all the themes that
are complete provide widgets, but.. I actually made half of a
widget-only theme.. to be a generic theme that can be matched with
some border themes.. so that wont really apply for long..

We need a clear definition, so I can translate that into a category.
What do you think about checking for:
1. Border
2. Widget
3. Shelf
4. Wallpaper
and if it contains themes for all these components, marking it as an
full Enlightenment theme.. Is there something else that needs to be in
that list?


As far as a homepage link for apps and modules, please feel free to
put that link in the description.
Most apps and modules in CVS dont have a homepage, so it would be
empty for the majority of apps/themes.

-Sthitha


On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Renaming widgets to E17 theme might work since that group covers the
> main e17 interface.
> Toma
>
> On 7/26/08, Dave Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> - "Andrew G. Stack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The new site looks nice -- I like the fact that it has nice big
>>> screen
>>> shots and I'm sure it will be less work for morlenxus. :)  I'm
>>> traveling right now but as soon as I get back I'll get to work on an
>>> updated version of steampunk and upload it (I want to theme a few
>>> more
>>> modules first).
>>>
>>> One question I have regarding the themes:  let's say I was a new user
>>> and wanted to download "a theme" for e17.  Where would I look?  It
>>> seems the themes section is divided up into all the parts of e17 but
>>> there is no option for just an e17 theme.  Obviously there is no
>>> clear
>>> definition for what a complete e17 theme might be, for example, mine
>>> is
>>> missing quite a few parts like entrance, etk & ewl widgets, etc., but
>>> it seems like an additional tab under themes for e17 themes would be
>>> nice.  Or maybe a way to rank the themes based on the completeness of
>>> their included list?  So if I just want to download something to
>>> replace the default e17 theme I can browse some of the more complete
>>> themes and pick one.
>>
>> I agree: for a new user is such confusing. And another request: IMO we miss
>> an 'homepage' field in apps/modules, for example penguins is in cvs and
>> I don't know where to put the link to the penguins page.
>> Also should be usefull to have the ability to upload more than 1 screenshot.
>>
>> Just my two cents...
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrew
>>> (Rooster)
>>>
>>> --- Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Ladies and Gentlemen!
>>> >
>>> > We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
>>> > http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
>>> >
>>> > This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
>>> > and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for
>>> E,
>>> > and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
>>> > automatically detect themes and allow users
>>> > to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
>>> >
>>> > Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will
>>> > hopefully
>>> > become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
>>> >
>>> > We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes
>>> looking
>>> > around, create an account and upload some content as the only work
>>> on
>>> > there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is
>>> a
>>> > great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to
>>> show
>>> > some appreciation for all your hard effort!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
>>> > Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
>>> > http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please
>>> direct
>>> > any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
>>> >
>>> > mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
>>> > download and install themes from exchange without having to visit
>>> the
>>> > website and go through the hassle of installing them.
>>> > http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
>>> > (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something
>>> to
>>> > keep an eye on!)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> -
>>> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer

Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-26 Thread Toma
Renaming widgets to E17 theme might work since that group covers the
main e17 interface.
Toma

On 7/26/08, Dave Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - "Andrew G. Stack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The new site looks nice -- I like the fact that it has nice big
>> screen
>> shots and I'm sure it will be less work for morlenxus. :)  I'm
>> traveling right now but as soon as I get back I'll get to work on an
>> updated version of steampunk and upload it (I want to theme a few
>> more
>> modules first).
>>
>> One question I have regarding the themes:  let's say I was a new user
>> and wanted to download "a theme" for e17.  Where would I look?  It
>> seems the themes section is divided up into all the parts of e17 but
>> there is no option for just an e17 theme.  Obviously there is no
>> clear
>> definition for what a complete e17 theme might be, for example, mine
>> is
>> missing quite a few parts like entrance, etk & ewl widgets, etc., but
>> it seems like an additional tab under themes for e17 themes would be
>> nice.  Or maybe a way to rank the themes based on the completeness of
>> their included list?  So if I just want to download something to
>> replace the default e17 theme I can browse some of the more complete
>> themes and pick one.
>
> I agree: for a new user is such confusing. And another request: IMO we miss
> an 'homepage' field in apps/modules, for example penguins is in cvs and
> I don't know where to put the link to the penguins page.
> Also should be usefull to have the ability to upload more than 1 screenshot.
>
> Just my two cents...
> Thanks
> Dave
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrew
>> (Rooster)
>>
>> --- Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Ladies and Gentlemen!
>> >
>> > We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
>> > http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
>> >
>> > This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
>> > and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for
>> E,
>> > and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
>> > automatically detect themes and allow users
>> > to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
>> >
>> > Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will
>> > hopefully
>> > become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
>> >
>> > We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes
>> looking
>> > around, create an account and upload some content as the only work
>> on
>> > there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is
>> a
>> > great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to
>> show
>> > some appreciation for all your hard effort!
>> >
>> >
>> > For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
>> > Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
>> > http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please
>> direct
>> > any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
>> >
>> > mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
>> > download and install themes from exchange without having to visit
>> the
>> > website and go through the hassle of installing them.
>> > http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
>> > (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something
>> to
>> > keep an eye on!)
>> >
>> >
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   Michael wrote:

> Get-E is already gone, so I think it's time to stop talking about it.
> :-)
>   

  That's too bad. I liked get-e, even the original one - which then 
also went 'gone', and was subsequently
reborn again, but is now gone.. yet again. So, who knows how gone is 
'gone' and who'll be around to make
sure.  :)

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Michael Jennings
On Sunday, 20 July 2008, at 10:10:50 (+0200),
Vincent Torri wrote:

> My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because
> [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one
> is better.  It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the
> same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should
> exist and which ones should die.

e17-stuff should die.  In fact, it should have died ages ago.  It's
very confusing and misleading to users and has caused us support
problems in the past.

Unfortunately, we don't control it.

But the less we mention it, the better for everyone.

> i have nothing against exchange. Absolutely nothing. I even dreamt
> of such a thing for the Windows packages i want to build. I'm
> against that 2 sets of people (the maintainers of get-e and those of
> exchange) put all their effort in the same kind of site (mainly the
> host of files). We are too few people involved in the
> project. Better concentrating our effort in something that will be
> great. And if we keep get-e, I'm sure that, in a not so distant
> future, one of the 2 websites will die (certainly get-e, because
> exchange offers more features).

Get-E is already gone, so I think it's time to stop talking about it.
:-)

Michael

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Themes are tricky. But its just a matter of documentation really.
> Rasters new theme is chock full of doc, and Ive started a blog on how
> to get some of the cooler effects for different Widgets and things.
> Also, if you check out my new Cerium theme, you can see a
> demonstration of the color_class idea I posted on the -devel list a
> while back. Basically lets the User re-colour the theme without having
> to bust open edje files and tweak images. Tho its not exactly going to
> change the appearance hugely, it will give people a little more
> control over their favorite theme.

Just to let you know, Cerium with semi transparent colors ROCKS,
really! You still lack some nice icons for most of things (battery,
cpu, ...) and I'd like another clock, but the theme itself feels
smooth and fluid. Thanks,


> On a further note, Im trying to do different looks and effects across
> all my themes and license them accordingly so they can take aspects
> from all sorts of themes and merge them into their own work. Again,
> its just a matter of documenting the process.

that is great.


> I wouldnt be too worried about 'Default copies' since people can
> simply rate the theme low, then sort highest to lowest on themes.
> Leave it up to the users to decide if content is 5 star or not. I know
> if someone starting out in themeing was to release something 1/2 done
> but still looked cool, theyd be happy to get some feedback on how
> theyre going and motivate them to do more. And on that note, if you DO
> see a default copy or a 1/2 done theme, dont knock the themer, but
> encourage them to try something different, and to keep at it.
>
> Heres what Ive started...
> http://edjy.wordpress.com/

Congrats man, that's something really nice and required, also thanks
to get exchange.e.o done!

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Toma
Themes are tricky. But its just a matter of documentation really.
Rasters new theme is chock full of doc, and Ive started a blog on how
to get some of the cooler effects for different Widgets and things.
Also, if you check out my new Cerium theme, you can see a
demonstration of the color_class idea I posted on the -devel list a
while back. Basically lets the User re-colour the theme without having
to bust open edje files and tweak images. Tho its not exactly going to
change the appearance hugely, it will give people a little more
control over their favorite theme.

On a further note, Im trying to do different looks and effects across
all my themes and license them accordingly so they can take aspects
from all sorts of themes and merge them into their own work. Again,
its just a matter of documenting the process.

I wouldnt be too worried about 'Default copies' since people can
simply rate the theme low, then sort highest to lowest on themes.
Leave it up to the users to decide if content is 5 star or not. I know
if someone starting out in themeing was to release something 1/2 done
but still looked cool, theyd be happy to get some feedback on how
theyre going and motivate them to do more. And on that note, if you DO
see a default copy or a 1/2 done theme, dont knock the themer, but
encourage them to try something different, and to keep at it.

Heres what Ive started...
http://edjy.wordpress.com/

Toma

2008/7/21 Hisham Mardam Bey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>>  I don't see why get-e should go away.. not if they want to give exchange
>> a good challenge. They could support whatever exchange does, and extend even
>> more - it could go as far as the drive and vision of its founders want it to 
>> go..
>> as could exchange, as could others.
>>
>
> Exchange and Get-E are run by more or less the same people, with new
> additions working on the Exchange team. At some point in time, I'll be
> moving Get-E's traffic over to Exchange (in a couple of weeks). The
> idea behind Exchange has been discussed before amongst Get-E's staff,
> and they decided that a new platform, API, and being "part of the
> e.org" domain is what they wanted
>
> At this point, aside having a rock-solid and useful API, one of the
> challenges is to keep those themes up to date, and to try and get high
> quality themes in there (as opposed to copy / modify / paste themes).
> Those two points imo are what will make, or break, Exchange.
>
> That brings me to another point, E17 themes are way too tough for
> "normal artists" to develop, but thats a totally separate topic of
> discussion (=
>
> Personally, I can't wait to start hitting that refresh button in E17
> and start seeing new theme previews roll in the "web portion" of the
> themes / resources dialog (to be).
>
> Keep up the great work guys! (=
>
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Hisham Mardam Bey
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>  I don't see why get-e should go away.. not if they want to give exchange
> a good challenge. They could support whatever exchange does, and extend even
> more - it could go as far as the drive and vision of its founders want it to 
> go..
> as could exchange, as could others.
>

Exchange and Get-E are run by more or less the same people, with new
additions working on the Exchange team. At some point in time, I'll be
moving Get-E's traffic over to Exchange (in a couple of weeks). The
idea behind Exchange has been discussed before amongst Get-E's staff,
and they decided that a new platform, API, and being "part of the
e.org" domain is what they wanted

At this point, aside having a rock-solid and useful API, one of the
challenges is to keep those themes up to date, and to try and get high
quality themes in there (as opposed to copy / modify / paste themes).
Those two points imo are what will make, or break, Exchange.

That brings me to another point, E17 themes are way too tough for
"normal artists" to develop, but thats a totally separate topic of
discussion (=

Personally, I can't wait to start hitting that refresh button in E17
and start seeing new theme previews roll in the "web portion" of the
themes / resources dialog (to be).

Keep up the great work guys! (=

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   Vincent wrote:

>
>> There's got to be more to a web presence to E than themes... and 
>> if you think
>> about it. :)
>
> i have nothing against exchange. Absolutely nothing. I even dreamt of 
> such a thing for the Windows packages i want to build. I'm against 
> that 2 sets of people (the maintainers of get-e and those of exchange) 
> put all their effort in the same kind of site (mainly the host of 
> files). We are too few people involved in the project. Better 
> concentrating our effort in something that will be great. And if we 
> keep get-e, I'm sure that, in a not so distant future, one of the 2 
> websites will die (certainly get-e, because exchange offers more 
> features).
>

  Sure, but my point is that there's no need to choose between exchange and 
get-e,
not if "get-e", as a site and concept, doesn't want to be about just 
apps/themes,
it could be about whatever it wants.. test out new ideas for e-and-the-net as it
sees fit... or not. Whatever its founders (or others) want and can conceive of.

  Anyway, since I can barely use email as it is, I'll leave these wild "web"
speculations up to them.  :)


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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Vincent Torri

> There's got to be more to a web presence to E than themes... and if you 
> think
> about it. :)

i have nothing against exchange. Absolutely nothing. I even dreamt of 
such a thing for the Windows packages i want to build. I'm against that 2 
sets of people (the maintainers of get-e and those of exchange) put all 
their effort in the same kind of site (mainly the host of files). We are 
too few people involved in the project. Better concentrating our effort in 
something that will be great. And if we keep get-e, I'm sure that, in a 
not so distant future, one of the 2 websites will die (certainly get-e, 
because exchange offers more features).

Vincent

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-21 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   Sthithaprajna wrote:

> Indeed, one of the main reasons for creating exchange was to make a
> webapp that was a lot more tightly integrated with the efl.
> Personally, I would like to see a ecore-style C library for exchange,
> so that people can just plop it into their apps and get a full
> repository of themes for their specific app.
> Exchange already records version numbers, so your themes could have
> automatic updates as well!
>   

  That would a tremendous leap in helping to extend E to the net. It's just
a shame that has been left to merely having a site or two whose main 
functionality
is basically to crank out html docs giving access to this or that.
  Every app that wants to should be able to more easily have net-based
"extensions" and support (maybe many such), and this doesn't mean just an html-
pumping site. Conversely, any web-site that wants to should be able to write a
local app that's "well fitted" to the site.

  One of the unfortunate side effects of the dominance of the web-browser 
app
is that the net is often used centered around being an html-pump, with browsers
(or just html rendering engines) being the only local app handling such. There's
no reason, for example, why an image viewing app couldn't display images from
a supporting site repo in its own way.. there's no reason the only way to view
an image repo ought to be via html or even via some browser plugin (like Flash
or whatnot).
  There's just so much other stuff one can do if one has certain apis in 
place
to transmit data/info, general stuff and specific stuff.


> And we can certainly do more to bridge the gap between the desktop and
> the web. But we gotta be careful, we go too far and you'll start
> seeing browsers in text editors!
>
> As far as websites go, as morlenxus said, get-e.org will be going
> away. I am going to miss the news articles that morlenxus posts
> regularly, so hopefully, we'll see him posting news on the front page
> of enlightenment.org
> e17-stuff.org seems to be operated by somebody else (not the e
> community) for ad revenue, and also seems to be down as I am writing
> this email... exchange should become the main site for themes,
> especially after we get desktop integration.
>   
  I don't see why get-e should go away.. not if they want to give exchange
a good challenge. They could support whatever exchange does, and extend even
more - it could go as far as the drive and vision of its founders want it to 
go..
as could exchange, as could others.




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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   Brian wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> to make this clear, GET-E.org will be closed. Exchange is a good
> improvement and i like the idea to have everything under the e.org
> domain. Also i see no sense in having two sites, providing the same.
> The site will be up for a while until all the themes are moved to the
> new domain.
> Thanks for supporting GET-E.org over the years, i guess we did a good
> job. :)
>
> Greets,
> Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy
>   

  Get-e *was* good, and useful. It could've done more in terms of this and 
that,
but so could everything. But I don't see why everyone feels that 'there can be
only one' of anything. I just don't understand this persistent idea that I've
seen here often. It's not good to have that, not at all. And if we take it to
its natural conclusion, any attempt to improve or create something new or 
different
would be met with resistance or hostility (for daring to challenge the status 
quo,
the established designate, the official power, etc).

  Why can't there be many sites each catering to specific needs.. each 
possibly
supporting some base set of apis/services and some specific ones? Whay can't 
every
app, that wants to, have one or more net-based 'extensions'? There's so much 
that
can be done.. and yet often, all I sense is a desire for restriction...?



> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:24:40PM +0800, Toma wrote:
>   
>> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>>
>> We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
>> http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
>>
>> This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
>> and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E,
>> and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
>> automatically detect themes and allow users
>> to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
>>
>> Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully
>> become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
>>
>> We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking
>> around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on
>> there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a
>> great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show
>> some appreciation for all your hard effort!
>>
>>
>> For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
>> Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
>> http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct
>> any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
>>
>> mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
>> download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the
>> website and go through the hassle of installing them.
>> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
>> (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to
>> keep an eye on!)
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread thomasg
I don't see any problem here, too.
As morlenxus said: exchange is intended to replace get-e.
e17-stuff.org is third party, doesn't have any quality standards and is
nothing more than a list with random themes, apps, and dozens of things that
have nothing to do with E at all - nothing to care about.
So there is (will be) one site, where's the problem?

I still hope that exchange will get some kind of moderation, but altogether
I like the idea and hope for a good integration into E itself.

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Indeed, one of the main reasons for creating exchange was to make a
> webapp that was a lot more tightly integrated with the efl.
> Personally, I would like to see a ecore-style C library for exchange,
> so that people can just plop it into their apps and get a full
> repository of themes for their specific app.
> Exchange already records version numbers, so your themes could have
> automatic updates as well!
> And we can certainly do more to bridge the gap between the desktop and
> the web. But we gotta be careful, we go too far and you'll start
> seeing browsers in text editors!
>
> As far as websites go, as morlenxus said, get-e.org will be going
> away. I am going to miss the news articles that morlenxus posts
> regularly, so hopefully, we'll see him posting news on the front page
> of enlightenment.org
> e17-stuff.org seems to be operated by somebody else (not the e
> community) for ad revenue, and also seems to be down as I am writing
> this email... exchange should become the main site for themes,
> especially after we get desktop integration.
>
> -Sthitha
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   Vincent wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of
> >>> "e-and-the-web" would
> >>> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times.
> >>> But what's
> >>> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it
> >>> to evolve
> >>> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like
> >>> get-e or e17-stuff.
> >>> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the
> >>> bleeding edge
> >>> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be
> >>> far more
> >>> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to
> >>> deal with for
> >>> users, developers, designers,...
> >>> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be
> >>> about connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and
> >>> that means having some kind of
> >>> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their
> >>> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what
> >>> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know.
> >>> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried.
> >>> Exchange did,
> >>> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :)
> >>
> >> My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because
> >> [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one
> >> is better. It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the
> >> same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should
> >> exist and which ones should die.
> >>
> >
> >  Vincent, it's not about merely "content" that I'm discussing here -
> it's
> > about 'services', 'apis', whatver you want to call them, that would make
> it easy
> > for devs to make their apps be able to be connected, notified, access
> content, etc.
> > from any site that might support such apis, services, whatnot.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Sthithaprajna Garapaty
Indeed, one of the main reasons for creating exchange was to make a
webapp that was a lot more tightly integrated with the efl.
Personally, I would like to see a ecore-style C library for exchange,
so that people can just plop it into their apps and get a full
repository of themes for their specific app.
Exchange already records version numbers, so your themes could have
automatic updates as well!
And we can certainly do more to bridge the gap between the desktop and
the web. But we gotta be careful, we go too far and you'll start
seeing browsers in text editors!

As far as websites go, as morlenxus said, get-e.org will be going
away. I am going to miss the news articles that morlenxus posts
regularly, so hopefully, we'll see him posting news on the front page
of enlightenment.org
e17-stuff.org seems to be operated by somebody else (not the e
community) for ad revenue, and also seems to be down as I am writing
this email... exchange should become the main site for themes,
especially after we get desktop integration.

-Sthitha


On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Vincent wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of
>>> "e-and-the-web" would
>>> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times.
>>> But what's
>>> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it
>>> to evolve
>>> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like
>>> get-e or e17-stuff.
>>> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the
>>> bleeding edge
>>> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be
>>> far more
>>> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to
>>> deal with for
>>> users, developers, designers,...
>>> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be
>>> about connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and
>>> that means having some kind of
>>> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their
>>> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what
>>> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know.
>>> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried.
>>> Exchange did,
>>> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :)
>>
>> My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because
>> [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one
>> is better. It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the
>> same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should
>> exist and which ones should die.
>>
>
>  Vincent, it's not about merely "content" that I'm discussing here - it's
> about 'services', 'apis', whatver you want to call them, that would make it 
> easy
> for devs to make their apps be able to be connected, notified, access 
> content, etc.
> from any site that might support such apis, services, whatnot.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   Vincent wrote:

>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>
>> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of 
>> "e-and-the-web" would
>> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. 
>> But what's
>> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it 
>> to evolve
>> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like 
>> get-e or e17-stuff.
>> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the 
>> bleeding edge
>> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be 
>> far more
>> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to 
>> deal with for
>> users, developers, designers,...
>> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be 
>> about connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and 
>> that means having some kind of
>> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their 
>> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what
>> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know.
>> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. 
>> Exchange did,
>> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :)
>
> My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because 
> [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one 
> is better. It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the 
> same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should 
> exist and which ones should die.
>

  Vincent, it's not about merely "content" that I'm discussing here - it's
about 'services', 'apis', whatver you want to call them, that would make it easy
for devs to make their apps be able to be connected, notified, access content, 
etc.
from any site that might support such apis, services, whatnot.





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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   morlenxus wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:01:11AM -0400, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>   
>>Vincent wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>>>
>>>   
  This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e 
 become more
 "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I 
 suppose
 get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe 
 integrate
 better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a 
 much more
 refined idea, and with something like live notifications of 
 apps/libs/themes/
 whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus 
 an app(s)
 to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :)
 
>>> in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a 
>>> list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the 
>>> themes, modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/
>>>
>>> That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to 
>>> have less web sites that do almost the same thing.
>>>
>>>   
>>   I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" 
>> would
>> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's
>> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve
>> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or 
>> e17-stuff.
>>   Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding 
>> edge
>> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far 
>> more
>> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with 
>> for
>> users, developers, designers,...
>>   It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about 
>> connecting 
>> whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means having some 
>> kind of
>> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their 
>> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what
>> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know.
>>   Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. 
>> Exchange did,
>> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :)
>>
>> 
>
> GET-E.org has had applications and module code some time ago, i removed
> that section because the submitters didn't update the code and so it got
> outdated soon. Also GET-E.org was totally different to exchange, it was
> keeping an eye at original themes, so it was completly maintained.
> Exchange allows the users to submit whatever they want, that will lead
> into copyright issues and e17-stuff alike ugly themes.
> So there was a reason why we never did the exchange/e17-stuff way.
> Also there was an api for downloading files automatically, you might
> want to check the theme or background dialog...
> I don't think GET-E.org wasn't inovative, but now we had an evolution
> and there we have a new better site: exchange
>
> Greets
>
>   
  I don't think it's an issue of better sites in the sense of which has 
better
maintainability, or which has better access restrictions, or better looks, or 
better
themes, or lists more apps  that's just not my point here.

  There are many, many ways one could think of to improve the state of 
things
as far as "e and the web" goes, form the hard - like an e-webkit or e-mozilla, 
or
a browser plugin and evolution of edje and the toolkits that would allow for 
those
to be like Flex&Flash (ie. e based web-content and "rich internet apps"), to the
simple like an e17-module that can download wallpapers. But there are also a lot
of things in-between these, and up and down, and all sorts of combinations (some
possibly requiring the harder stuff).
  Just to give you a simple one, imagine you have your favorite e image 
viewer
desktop app, and it's really cool-looking, and can search for images in your 
drive,
and whatnot.. But, if it were easy to make this app "web-enabled", you could 
have
it do much, much more. You could have it notify you of updates to the app 
itself,
of new themes from selected sites, of new plugins (assuming it has such things),
and it could keep a list of fav sites related to wallpapers, images, etc. and
allow you to view such images on those sites, download if possible, share with
selected people, ..

  There's a ton of stuff that app could do if it were easy for it to be
"web-enabled", both content wise with general and/or selected sites or contacts,
and for the app itself (updates, plugins, themes, docs, tutorials, ...).
  Most any app, with good supporting sites, could become much, much richer.
But there need to be mechanisms to make it easy for developers to add such
functionality and for sites to cooperate with.

  If exchange allows for even a *start* on making this kind of thing 
possible,
then that would be better - it really doesn't ma

Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:01:11AM -0400, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>Vincent wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
> >
> >>  This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e 
> >> become more
> >> "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I 
> >> suppose
> >> get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe 
> >> integrate
> >> better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a 
> >> much more
> >> refined idea, and with something like live notifications of 
> >> apps/libs/themes/
> >> whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus 
> >> an app(s)
> >> to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :)
> >
> > in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a 
> > list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the 
> > themes, modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/
> >
> > That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to 
> > have less web sites that do almost the same thing.
> >
> 
>   I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" 
> would
> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's
> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve
> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or 
> e17-stuff.
>   Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding 
> edge
> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far more
> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with 
> for
> users, developers, designers,...
>   It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about 
> connecting 
> whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means having some 
> kind of
> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their 
> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what
> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know.
>   Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. Exchange 
> did,
> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :)
> 

GET-E.org has had applications and module code some time ago, i removed
that section because the submitters didn't update the code and so it got
outdated soon. Also GET-E.org was totally different to exchange, it was
keeping an eye at original themes, so it was completly maintained.
Exchange allows the users to submit whatever they want, that will lead
into copyright issues and e17-stuff alike ugly themes.
So there was a reason why we never did the exchange/e17-stuff way.
Also there was an api for downloading files automatically, you might
want to check the theme or background dialog...
I don't think GET-E.org wasn't inovative, but now we had an evolution
and there we have a new better site: exchange

Greets


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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Vincent Torri


On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:

> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" 
> would
> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's
> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve
> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or 
> e17-stuff.
> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding 
> edge
> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far 
> more
> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with 
> for
> users, developers, designers,...
> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about 
> connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means 
> having some kind of
> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their 
> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what
> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know.
> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. Exchange 
> did,
> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :)

My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because [put 
what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one is better. 
It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the same content. We 
must decide, as soon as possible which one should exist and which ones 
should die.

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy
Hello everyone,

to make this clear, GET-E.org will be closed. Exchange is a good
improvement and i like the idea to have everything under the e.org
domain. Also i see no sense in having two sites, providing the same.
The site will be up for a while until all the themes are moved to the
new domain.
Thanks for supporting GET-E.org over the years, i guess we did a good
job. :)

Greets,
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:24:40PM +0800, Toma wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen!
> 
> We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
> http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
> 
> This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
> and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E,
> and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
> automatically detect themes and allow users
> to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
> 
> Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully
> become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
> 
> We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking
> around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on
> there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a
> great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show
> some appreciation for all your hard effort!
> 
> 
> For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
> Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
> http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct
> any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
> 
> mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
> download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the
> website and go through the hassle of installing them.
> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
> (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to
> keep an eye on!)
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   Vincent wrote:

>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>  This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e 
>> become more
>> "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I 
>> suppose
>> get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe 
>> integrate
>> better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a 
>> much more
>> refined idea, and with something like live notifications of 
>> apps/libs/themes/
>> whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus 
>> an app(s)
>> to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :)
>
> in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a 
> list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the 
> themes, modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/
>
> That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to 
> have less web sites that do almost the same thing.
>

  I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" would
be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's
better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve
into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or 
e17-stuff.
  Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding edge
of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far more
creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with for
users, developers, designers,...
  It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about 
connecting 
whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means having some kind 
of
*api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what
be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know.
  Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. Exchange 
did,
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Toma
On the topic of e17-stuff, it is an unmoderated, poorly maintained
website. I think exchange is a much better place than e17-stuff for
submitting and browsing in general. Personally, ive taken all my
content of e17-stuff for various reasons. On the topic of get-e, i
like it. Its great, full of cool things and morlenxus does a great
job. But theres alot of unmaintained content there and lack of
feedback. That said, a total overhaul of get-e would be needed anyway
to keep it in line with the other things on *.enlightenment. The
submission process is alot like get-e too, where the content is
screened by a mod first. If anything, i would call it an evolution of
get-e.
Toma

On 7/20/08, Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>  This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e become
>> more
>> "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I
>> suppose
>> get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe
>> integrate
>> better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a much
>> more
>> refined idea, and with something like live notifications of
>> apps/libs/themes/
>> whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus an
>> app(s)
>> to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :)
>
> in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a
> list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the themes,
> modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/
>
> That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to have
> less web sites that do almost the same thing.
>
> Vincent
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-20 Thread Vincent Torri

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote:

>  This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e become more
> "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I suppose
> get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe integrate
> better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a much more
> refined idea, and with something like live notifications of apps/libs/themes/
> whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus an app(s)
> to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :)

in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a 
list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the themes, 
modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/

That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to have 
less web sites that do almost the same thing.

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-19 Thread Jose Gonzalez
   Sthithaprajna wrote:

> For themes, you get a lot more information, that could be useful
> depending on what you are looking for..
> for example, if you dont like the look of your shelf and want to try
> something else, you could go here:
> http://exchange.enlightenment.org/themeGroup/show/2664
> and find all the themes that provide a shelf theme. get-e does not
> provide this level of detail, and for get-e to provide that, it would
> require a lot of effort on the part of the guy posting the theme.
> Here its all done automatically.
>
> As far as modules and apps go, not everything is available in CVS,
> there are other places to find them. This is only a place that links
> to them.. if you hit download, you'd notice it goes TO CVS...
> Its more like a central list of what's available.. we dont try to host
> code here.
>
> Finally, the most important thing in my opinion is the API itself, so
> whatever app you write, you can hook into exchange in your app's theme
> config panel and people wont have to guess where to get themes
> from/where to upload themes to.
>
> -Sthitha
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Christopher Michael
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Maybe I am missing the point here, but aren't these themes already
>> available via get-e.org ? Also, the mpdule, taskbar, and efm nav module
>> are already available via cvsso what's the point of having Yet
>> Another Site ?
>>
>> dh
>>
>> Toma wrote:
>> 
>>> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>>>
>>> We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
>>> http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
>>>
>>> This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
>>> and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E,
>>> and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
>>> automatically detect themes and allow users
>>> to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
>>>
>>> Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully
>>> become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
>>>
>>> We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking
>>> around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on
>>> there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a
>>> great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show
>>> some appreciation for all your hard effort!
>>>
>>>
>>> For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
>>> Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
>>> http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct
>>> any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
>>>
>>> mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
>>> download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the
>>> website and go through the hassle of installing them.
>>> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
>>> (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to
>>> keep an eye on!)
>>>   

  This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e become more
"web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I suppose
get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe integrate
better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a much more
refined idea, and with something like live notifications of apps/libs/themes/
whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus an app(s)
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-19 Thread Sthithaprajna Garapaty
For themes, you get a lot more information, that could be useful
depending on what you are looking for..
for example, if you dont like the look of your shelf and want to try
something else, you could go here:
http://exchange.enlightenment.org/themeGroup/show/2664
and find all the themes that provide a shelf theme. get-e does not
provide this level of detail, and for get-e to provide that, it would
require a lot of effort on the part of the guy posting the theme.
Here its all done automatically.

As far as modules and apps go, not everything is available in CVS,
there are other places to find them. This is only a place that links
to them.. if you hit download, you'd notice it goes TO CVS...
Its more like a central list of what's available.. we dont try to host
code here.

Finally, the most important thing in my opinion is the API itself, so
whatever app you write, you can hook into exchange in your app's theme
config panel and people wont have to guess where to get themes
from/where to upload themes to.

-Sthitha


On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Christopher Michael
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe I am missing the point here, but aren't these themes already
> available via get-e.org ? Also, the mpdule, taskbar, and efm nav module
> are already available via cvsso what's the point of having Yet
> Another Site ?
>
> dh
>
> Toma wrote:
>> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>>
>> We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
>> http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
>>
>> This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
>> and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E,
>> and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
>> automatically detect themes and allow users
>> to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
>>
>> Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully
>> become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
>>
>> We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking
>> around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on
>> there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a
>> great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show
>> some appreciation for all your hard effort!
>>
>>
>> For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
>> Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
>> http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct
>> any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
>>
>> mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
>> download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the
>> website and go through the hassle of installing them.
>> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
>> (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to
>> keep an eye on!)
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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-19 Thread Christopher Michael
Maybe I am missing the point here, but aren't these themes already 
available via get-e.org ? Also, the mpdule, taskbar, and efm nav module 
are already available via cvsso what's the point of having Yet 
Another Site ?

dh

Toma wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen!
> 
> We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
> http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
> 
> This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
> and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E,
> and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
> automatically detect themes and allow users
> to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
> 
> Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully
> become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
> 
> We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking
> around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on
> there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a
> great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show
> some appreciation for all your hard effort!
> 
> 
> For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
> Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
> http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct
> any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
> 
> mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
> download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the
> website and go through the hassle of installing them.
> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
> (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to
> keep an eye on!)

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Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-19 Thread Toma
Lets try that again!

http://exchange.enlightenment.org

:)

2008/7/19 Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>
> We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
> http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org
>
> This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
> and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E,
> and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
> automatically detect themes and allow users
> to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.
>
> Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully
> become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.
>
> We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking
> around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on
> there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a
> great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show
> some appreciation for all your hard effort!
>
>
> For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
> Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
> http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct
> any questions about the API to iamsthitha)
>
> mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
> download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the
> website and go through the hassle of installing them.
> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
> (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to
> keep an eye on!)
>

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[E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.

2008-07-19 Thread Toma
Ladies and Gentlemen!

We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange:
http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org

This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications
and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E,
and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to
automatically detect themes and allow users
to find themes for exactly what they want to theme.

Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully
become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps.

We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking
around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on
there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a
great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show
some appreciation for all your hard effort!


For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the
Exchange, we have a full API documented here:
http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct
any questions about the API to iamsthitha)

mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you
download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the
website and go through the hassle of installing them.
http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary
(this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to
keep an eye on!)

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