Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Saturday, 17 April 2010, at 17:33:59 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: > Nope, but I gave up trying to coerce Eterm to play nice with mc. > Yes, I did search and read web pages about how other people had to > change things to get Eterm to do some of what I needed, but I could > never get it to do all that I need. Roxterm just works as far as my > mc usage is concerned, there was no need to mess with it. I've used mc on numerous occasions with no problems. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "Saying 'no' to something is actually much more powerful than saying 'yes.'" -- Tom Hanks on "Charlie Rose" -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
It would appear that on Apr 17, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri did say:
>
> AFAIK RoxTerm is just the same as gnome-terminal, it uses the same vt
> code/component, maybe just slightly different UI.
Well that explains why it's docs describes a gnome method for changing
the keybindings...
> I'm not sure which "gnome desktop based method" you say,
/usr/share/doc/roxterm/index.html
describes using a mouse based method that depends on having some
"Editable menu shortcut keys" option enabled in your desktop session
and tells you how to enable it in gnome... I don't use gnome. I can't
find such an option in E16, E17, or XFCE which are all the
desktop/window managers I've got...
It wouldn't bug me so much except that ALL the config files in
~/.config/roxterm.sourceforge.net are flat text files. But I can't find
any documentation that says 'what' goes in 'which file' there when a user
changes the 'default' 'menu access key' to something other than 'F10'
{Gosh I miss the days when software developers thought well commented,
human editable config files were a good thing...} ;-7
> but often that means gconf. You can use gconf-editor (GUI) tool or
> gconftool-2 to run it from command line.
I suppose I could check and see how many dependencies those would pull
in. (in each of my installed distros except PCLinuxOS {where I can't
seem to find the roxterm package...}) But I'm doubtful they could
enable the "Editable menu shortcut keys" option in a desktop that
didn't already include such an option...
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Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > It would appear that on Apr 16 & 17, David Seikel did say: > >> I was a long time konsole user, but switched to eterm. I gave up on >> eterm though, mostly coz it just plain don't play well with mc, >> which is a critical app for me. Roxtem does work well for me now. > >> Roxterm just works as far as my mc usage is concerned, there was no need >> to mess with it. > > I've been holding on to Konsole for a long time now. Thanks to this > thread I became aware of the existence of Roxterm. So I just > installed it to one of my linux... > > For me mc is also a critical app. And for the most part Roxterm seems > willing to play nice with mc. And it looks like I'd only need a little > bit of profile, and color schema work (And a few slight changes to the > assorted shellscripts I have that currently call konsole) for me to > switch to using Roxterm instead. > > But I'm very keyboard centric and I dislike needing to use the mouse > to get at the menu. So I need to either leave the "menu shortcuts keys" > or the "menu access key" enabled. Both of which conflict with mc's > key-bindings. In mc I use Alt+P from the panel view to pull up previous > commands. But if roxterm's "menu shortcuts keys" are enabled I get the > preferences menu. And if instead, I enable the "menu access key" > then the F10 (default) keybinding gets in the way of closing mc. > (yeah I know I can use the two stroke "esc" "0" instead, but my > reflexes expect F10 to work... > > The problem is that Roxterm evidently doesn't include a shortcut > editor, but instead relies on some gnome desktop based method. that as > far as I can see doesn't work with E17, E16, or XFCE. Do you know of > any way to assign a non-default menu access key that doesn't depend on > my installing the whole gnome bag of tricks first??? AFAIK RoxTerm is just the same as gnome-terminal, it uses the same vt code/component, maybe just slightly different UI. I'm not sure which "gnome desktop based method" you say, but often that means gconf. You can use gconf-editor (GUI) tool or gconftool-2 to run it from command line. BR, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
It would appear that on Apr 16 & 17, David Seikel did say: > I was a long time konsole user, but switched to eterm. I gave up on > eterm though, mostly coz it just plain don't play well with mc, > which is a critical app for me. Roxtem does work well for me now. > Roxterm just works as far as my mc usage is concerned, there was no need > to mess with it. I've been holding on to Konsole for a long time now. Thanks to this thread I became aware of the existence of Roxterm. So I just installed it to one of my linux... For me mc is also a critical app. And for the most part Roxterm seems willing to play nice with mc. And it looks like I'd only need a little bit of profile, and color schema work (And a few slight changes to the assorted shellscripts I have that currently call konsole) for me to switch to using Roxterm instead. But I'm very keyboard centric and I dislike needing to use the mouse to get at the menu. So I need to either leave the "menu shortcuts keys" or the "menu access key" enabled. Both of which conflict with mc's key-bindings. In mc I use Alt+P from the panel view to pull up previous commands. But if roxterm's "menu shortcuts keys" are enabled I get the preferences menu. And if instead, I enable the "menu access key" then the F10 (default) keybinding gets in the way of closing mc. (yeah I know I can use the two stroke "esc" "0" instead, but my reflexes expect F10 to work... The problem is that Roxterm evidently doesn't include a shortcut editor, but instead relies on some gnome desktop based method. that as far as I can see doesn't work with E17, E16, or XFCE. Do you know of any way to assign a non-default menu access key that doesn't depend on my installing the whole gnome bag of tricks first??? -- | ~^~ ~^~ |Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ <> -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:48:00 -0700 Michael Jennings wrote: > On Friday, 16 April 2010, at 13:33:21 (+1000), > David Seikel wrote: > > > I was a long time konsole user, but switched to eterm. I gave up on > > eterm though, mostly coz it just plain don't play well with mc, > > which is a critical app for me. Roxtem does work well for me now. > > I've never had any problems using mc with Eterm. Are you trying to > set $TERM to something other than "Eterm" by any chance? Nope, but I gave up trying to coerce Eterm to play nice with mc. Yes, I did search and read web pages about how other people had to change things to get Eterm to do some of what I needed, but I could never get it to do all that I need. Roxterm just works as far as my mc usage is concerned, there was no need to mess with it. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:57:01 -0800 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: any efl login manager is going to be much fatter with respect to libraries loaded etc. etc. - it'll suck in a LOT of efl. but then again - if you then log into e17... it's moot as u need them anyway so it just moves the paging in to cache of efl a bit earlier. not to mention "entrance" will suck up some resources for theme etc. as such i dont think we need to much in a login manager: 1. actual login management goop (authenticate, switch user, run session). 2. allow typing of username and password 3. allow listing of usernames (and possible icons for them) 4. allow listing of available sessions (and icons) 5. some modularity (module for offering a suspend/power off, etc. etc. from login manager) and enough power management to be able to "auto-suspend, suspend if lid closed, screenblank properly etc. etc." 6. some ui design/wallpaper/whatever (tho edje pretty much solves this - it might be an idea to use elementary for any entrance replacement too). > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Mysth-R wrote: > > Hi > > > > 2010/4/16 Terminus Est > > > >> Hi there, > >> > >> About a week ago I tried e17 one more time. It's becoming more beautiful, > >> but I still can't keep it as my sole WM. Why? I will answer: > >> > >> 1) There is not a login manager > >> > > I use slim : very light and fast > > wow! I did not know about slim and was using gdm just to do auto-login > and possibly let another user run it, or when my x crashes badly (both > just happen rarely), tried slim now and it is... slim! quite nice > option! > > maybe if we ever get back to write a new "entrance", we should partner > with slim, isolating the UI from the handling of authentication and X > management. Or at least use their code as base. > > some data of its impressive light weight: > > $ ldd /usr/bin/slim > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb78df000) > libXft.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x4113c000) > libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x41af6000) > libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x4242e000) > libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x411d) > libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x41caf000) > libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0x412c) > libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x41ae) > libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x41387000) > libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0xb78a9000) > libjpeg.so.8 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.8 (0x41f17000) > librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x4102) > libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4170d000) > libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.4/libstdc++.so.6 > (0x4227f000) > libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x41a97000) > libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.4/libgcc_s.so.1 > (0x41ce5000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4194d000) > libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x41ac5000) > libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0x41c19000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x41abf000) > libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x4191c000) > libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x41914000) > libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x41108000) > libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x41cf5000) > libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x41fb1000) > libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x41f97000) > libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x41304000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4100) > libuuid.so.1 => /lib/libuuid.so.1 (0x41f51000) > > expat is due fontconfig... > > $ du -h /usr/bin/slim > 212K /usr/bin/slim > > > > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > -- > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > Skype: gsbarbieri > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > -- > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourcefo
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:17:21 +0200 Christian Ullmann said: > Hi! > > What about eterm right now? I saw the sources on SVN but i havnt > compiled them. As you answered it seems eterm is a bit incomplete... > > And wasnt where a e-lib music player out there some time ago (the > interface was quite similar to xmms, but just not so complex)? what happend? > > And by the way... what I REALLY NEED in E is way to configure my shelf > by x & y coordinates. Iam using 2 monitors (17" & 23") with xinerama, > but they have different resolutions. As you can imagin the shelf > configuration is not perfect for me using "set to middle left, bottom > middle, bottom right, ...) > And it would be really nice if i can configure some seperations between > the shelf-apps, so the shelf will fit perfeclty into my right monitor. that - if anything, is done in theme... but i don't see why you need to set x & y coord. e finds the multiple screens and divides your root window area up by mult-screen info - so u dont need specific x & y placement. yes - shelves are a bit more limited, but you can tell a shel to expand and fill a side of the screen and then place/drag gadgets around in it as u want. > But i was thinking E is just a good useable beta and thought you would > have done that with the final release. ;) unlikely - nothing will happen here... unless you send patches. :) we can't FOREVER add every little feature. there's a list of important stuff thats needing to be done. this one isn't on it. there is always e 0.18. :) > greetings > Chris > > ps. Arrr how incomplete the E17-beta is! You havnt thought about some > special needs & seldon used configurations used by some freaks! ;-P > > -- > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Friday, 16 April 2010, at 13:33:21 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: > I was a long time konsole user, but switched to eterm. I gave up on > eterm though, mostly coz it just plain don't play well with mc, > which is a critical app for me. Roxtem does work well for me now. I've never had any problems using mc with Eterm. Are you trying to set $TERM to something other than "Eterm" by any chance? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "With every kiss our love is like brand new, and every star up in the sky was made for me and you. Still we both know that the road is long. But we know that we will be together because our love is strong." -- Firehouse, "Love of a Lifetime" -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Friday, 16 April 2010, at 10:17:21 (+0200), Christian Ullmann wrote: > What about eterm right now? I saw the sources on SVN but i havnt > compiled them. As you answered it seems eterm is a bit incomplete... Eterm is "complete" and rock-solid. It is not, however, based on evas or the current EFL; it still uses Imlib2 for the time being. (That will change.) Many people still use it every day, myself obviously included. And AFAIK, no other terminal sports a feature like Escreen. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "Only time will tell if our love is scratched in sand, Or if it's etched in stone."-- Poison, "Only Time Will Tell" -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Mysth-R wrote: > Hi > > 2010/4/16 Terminus Est > >> Hi there, >> >> About a week ago I tried e17 one more time. It's becoming more beautiful, >> but I still can't keep it as my sole WM. Why? I will answer: >> >> 1) There is not a login manager >> > I use slim : very light and fast wow! I did not know about slim and was using gdm just to do auto-login and possibly let another user run it, or when my x crashes badly (both just happen rarely), tried slim now and it is... slim! quite nice option! maybe if we ever get back to write a new "entrance", we should partner with slim, isolating the UI from the handling of authentication and X management. Or at least use their code as base. some data of its impressive light weight: $ ldd /usr/bin/slim linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb78df000) libXft.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x4113c000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x41af6000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x4242e000) libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x411d) libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x41caf000) libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0x412c) libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x41ae) libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x41387000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0xb78a9000) libjpeg.so.8 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.8 (0x41f17000) librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x4102) libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4170d000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.4/libstdc++.so.6 (0x4227f000) libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x41a97000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.4/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x41ce5000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4194d000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x41ac5000) libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0x41c19000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x41abf000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x4191c000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x41914000) libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x41108000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x41cf5000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x41fb1000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x41f97000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x41304000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4100) libuuid.so.1 => /lib/libuuid.so.1 (0x41f51000) expat is due fontconfig... $ du -h /usr/bin/slim 212K/usr/bin/slim -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On 16 April 2010 17:17, Christian Ullmann wrote: > Hi! > > What about eterm right now? I saw the sources on SVN but i havnt > compiled them. As you answered it seems eterm is a bit incomplete... > > And wasnt where a e-lib music player out there some time ago (the > interface was quite similar to xmms, but just not so complex)? what happend? > > > > > And by the way... what I REALLY NEED in E is way to configure my shelf > by x & y coordinates. Iam using 2 monitors (17" & 23") with xinerama, > but they have different resolutions. As you can imagin the shelf > configuration is not perfect for me using "set to middle left, bottom > middle, bottom right, ...) > And it would be really nice if i can configure some seperations between > the shelf-apps, so the shelf will fit perfeclty into my right monitor. > > But i was thinking E is just a good useable beta and thought you would > have done that with the final release. ;) > > > greetings > Chris > > ps. Arrr how incomplete the E17-beta is! You havnt thought about some > special needs & seldon used configurations used by some freaks! ;-P > On the flip side, I keep getting the same beta-like impression of gnome's awkward handling of multi-screens and multi-workspaces. E has always handled it much more nicely in my opinion. The reality is that any desktop in linux is going to be more or less complete here or there. I long ago stopped worrying about everything being gnome or everything being efl or everything being kde. People will program in whatever they're most comfortable with...and the fact that I can use whatever they want regardless of what desktop I'm in...I think thats great. I also think that the freedom to create in more than just the *one* way (aka ms/apple) is great and am perfectly ok with that situation. So, on my high end pc's, I typically run e17 because its light, responsive and its quiet! Nothing gets in your way. And because its an aussie who's making the magic! For my particular apps I'll use whatever I like the most, whether that's gnome-terminal or amarok, it doesn't really phase me. On my lower end pc's, I'm equally happy making do with a lower set of environmental constraints. End result, I'm happy with my computer(s). I spend so much time in front of them, and with much bigger problems floating around, I'd be a hell of a grumpy bear if I wasn't. > -- > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- Phone : +82-10-5400-3296 (010-5400-3296) Home: http://snorriheim.dnsdojo.com/ Yujin Robot: http://www.yujinrobot.com/ Embedded Control Libraries: http://snorriheim.dnsdojo.com/redmine/wiki/ecl -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
Hi! What about eterm right now? I saw the sources on SVN but i havnt compiled them. As you answered it seems eterm is a bit incomplete... And wasnt where a e-lib music player out there some time ago (the interface was quite similar to xmms, but just not so complex)? what happend? And by the way... what I REALLY NEED in E is way to configure my shelf by x & y coordinates. Iam using 2 monitors (17" & 23") with xinerama, but they have different resolutions. As you can imagin the shelf configuration is not perfect for me using "set to middle left, bottom middle, bottom right, ...) And it would be really nice if i can configure some seperations between the shelf-apps, so the shelf will fit perfeclty into my right monitor. But i was thinking E is just a good useable beta and thought you would have done that with the final release. ;) greetings Chris ps. Arrr how incomplete the E17-beta is! You havnt thought about some special needs & seldon used configurations used by some freaks! ;-P -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
Hi 2010/4/16 Terminus Est > Hi there, > > About a week ago I tried e17 one more time. It's becoming more beautiful, > but I still can't keep it as my sole WM. Why? I will answer: > > 1) There is not a login manager > I use slim : very light and fast > > 2) There is not a file manager > I use pcmanfm. In fact the integrated file browser in e17 seems to be very light but I need to access files through samba, and it does not work. > > 3) There is not a terminal emulator > Roxterm is very similar to Konsole and lighter. > > 4) There is not a music player > Goggle Music Manager is the faster. it is based on Fox libraries. You can also use MPD with ario + mpdule (the e17 control module). Have a nice day Cheers, Mysth-R -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:58:01 -0800 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Terminus Est > wrote: > > > > 3) There is not a terminal emulator > > I guess it will take time until someone takes the burden to do it. As > alternative you can use Eterm (imlib2, aka old EFL) or urxvt. I gave > up on konsole and got used to urxvt, particularly with the > daemon/client approach it is very, very light on memory and fast to > startup. If you want tabs, you can use their "tabbed" extension, but I > don't like it too much. Be sure to use morlenxus fixed version > http://omicron.homeip.net/?blog_id=74 I was a long time konsole user, but switched to eterm. I gave up on eterm though, mostly coz it just plain don't play well with mc, which is a critical app for me. Roxtem does work well for me now. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Terminus Est wrote: > Hi there, > > About a week ago I tried e17 one more time. It's becoming more beautiful, > but I still can't keep it as my sole WM. Why? I will answer: > > 1) There is not a login manager As replied by Tom, we dropped Entrance since it was bit roting. Quaker plans to come with a new and simpler version, but until it gets there and you really want to be slick, do as I do: start E directly with the screen locked by default. It is very, very likely that the machine is just used by one person, so you can save lots of time, memory and get a faster boot by starting straight to enlightenment_start -locked (you can also set this option using the conf_desklock "Lock When Enlightenment Starts", but the -locked forces it). If you know your system is trustworthy and will not lack JPEG, PNG and other support you can also use -i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-accept-full-responsibility-for-it and save those checks. If you do this, you can even request your often used apps are auto-started, doing it while you type your password. > 2) There is not a file manager As Tom already said, there is one. We have some drag&drop bugs, but basics are there, it does its work quire reliably and is fast. It's interface is quite minimalist, but you can set per-directory view modes (list, grid...), icon size and even background/overlay, just right-click and have fun. Everything is auto-saved. > 3) There is not a terminal emulator I guess it will take time until someone takes the burden to do it. As alternative you can use Eterm (imlib2, aka old EFL) or urxvt. I gave up on konsole and got used to urxvt, particularly with the daemon/client approach it is very, very light on memory and fast to startup. If you want tabs, you can use their "tabbed" extension, but I don't like it too much. Be sure to use morlenxus fixed version http://omicron.homeip.net/?blog_id=74 > 4) There is not a music player Well, we have media centers, but not stand alone music player. I guess this is a hard topic as mileage may vary. For instance, I use Amarok, but after 1.4 it is getting more and more bloated for my use case (load 20gb collection and play random, sometimes look for a particular music or album and play it). Some people like mpd, then we have some EFL front-ends. Some people use xmms2 and are happy with it. So you basically have to think of your requirements and not technology there. My company is about to write a simple music player to be used as an embedded media player, mostly for demo. We already have one called "enjoy", but the next one will use Elementary instead of Guarana (our tech based on EFL). So maybe it will come, but don't put too much expectation as being a full-featured player as Amarok. > The three first ones are really needed. Xdm is so ugly... and if I'd install > Konsole, Dolphin, Nautilus, KDM or GDM Login Managers, better to install the > whole respective DM's, because those apps requires most of the respective > DM's libs. > > The fourth is a personal feeling. I would really like some music player > that's integrated into e17. > > Also, it's a pain to configure some small things, like shortcuts, integrate > mouse-theme to GTK and QT apps, etc... That's basically up to the distros. I do have QtGtkStyle to have Qt to use Gtk's style, and a Gtk style called "e17" that resembles Black&white theme. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/E17+B_and_W?content=95680 or http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/E17_Theme_B_W_OpenGEU_by_verdegal37?content=118903 You cannot make Gnome or KDE use E17 icon and cursor theme, because these are done in Edje. But you can do the other way around, just disable E17's cursor and it will use X/Gnome/KDE set, and you can have your FreeDesktop.Org icon theme to override E17, just use the "Icon Theme" configuration dialog. > I'm sure EFL is powerful enough to bring to life all those must-have apps. > But someone has told me there are alternatives to Amarok and Konsole. I > would like to know which ones, because I can't find anything nearly as > powerful as those two && that doesn't require the majority of GTK libs > (therefore, turning my desktop into a semi-gnome one; better to install > Ubuntu, kill GDM and run e17 to draw the desktop instead). > > I'm sorry if I sound unhappy; that's not the case. It's just like a > beautiful car that doesn't have seats: it is still beautiful, but highly > unusable. I really think e17 is the most beautiful DM out there, but it > misses some tools that force me to almost install another whole DM just to > use some of its tools. That is fair, we understand you. But focus is to release core libraries and the window manager as the major sample of features they allow. That should attract more developers, that in turn can help with more applications. > Thank you and congratulations for the good and beautiful work. You're welcome. BR, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded syst
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
2) We have a file manager... http://i.imgur.com/P2Z6I.jpg Its not as full featured as say, Nautilus, but its still very good. 1) We had a login manager, but no-one maintained it and it was old and full of spiders and dust. I hear a re-write may be possible. 4) Agreed! 3) Agreed! 3 & 4) Apps dont write themselves unfortunately. And I dare say, those that are contributing code are more focused on the core components than stuff that can come once the main important bits are done. In terms of music players and consoles, this probably wont help, but I use xterm (light, fast, dont need all the other junk (tabs are silly for terminals as you generally look at 2 or more at the same time anyway)), and Grooveshark... which is a web based music player. Its got a huge library of music and quite easy to use. For offline music, I just use rhythmbox. That being said, you dont see a 'fluxbox' terminal and file manager. Also, all the devs (I hope) use E17 as their default desktop setup. And as mad as it sounds, we're all human beings with our own personal use for computers as well! :O We all seem to manage quite fine. To take your car analogy, its not missing seats, its missing leather interior, seat warmers, cigarette lighter and side mirror defoggers. IMHO, its all very usable, but you dont get some of the luxuries of the other big bloaty DEs. Thanks for the feedback :) We do need it! Toma. On 16 April 2010 07:23, Terminus Est wrote: > Hi there, > > About a week ago I tried e17 one more time. It's becoming more beautiful, > but I still can't keep it as my sole WM. Why? I will answer: > > 1) There is not a login manager > > 2) There is not a file manager > > 3) There is not a terminal emulator > > 4) There is not a music player > > > The three first ones are really needed. Xdm is so ugly... and if I'd install > Konsole, Dolphin, Nautilus, KDM or GDM Login Managers, better to install the > whole respective DM's, because those apps requires most of the respective > DM's libs. > > The fourth is a personal feeling. I would really like some music player > that's integrated into e17. > > Also, it's a pain to configure some small things, like shortcuts, integrate > mouse-theme to GTK and QT apps, etc... > > I'm sure EFL is powerful enough to bring to life all those must-have apps. > But someone has told me there are alternatives to Amarok and Konsole. I > would like to know which ones, because I can't find anything nearly as > powerful as those two && that doesn't require the majority of GTK libs > (therefore, turning my desktop into a semi-gnome one; better to install > Ubuntu, kill GDM and run e17 to draw the desktop instead). > > I'm sorry if I sound unhappy; that's not the case. It's just like a > beautiful car that doesn't have seats: it is still beautiful, but highly > unusable. I really think e17 is the most beautiful DM out there, but it > misses some tools that force me to almost install another whole DM just to > use some of its tools. > > Thank you and congratulations for the good and beautiful work. > > > -- > Linux User nº 451568 > > Linux Mint Gloria KDE Edition running on Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2Gb DDR-400 2x > Maxtor 40Gb in RAID 0 SATA Samsung 160Gb A8N SLI Premium gForce 6800 GS > Ultra - Deceased... > -- > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Some constructive criticism
Hi there, About a week ago I tried e17 one more time. It's becoming more beautiful, but I still can't keep it as my sole WM. Why? I will answer: 1) There is not a login manager 2) There is not a file manager 3) There is not a terminal emulator 4) There is not a music player The three first ones are really needed. Xdm is so ugly... and if I'd install Konsole, Dolphin, Nautilus, KDM or GDM Login Managers, better to install the whole respective DM's, because those apps requires most of the respective DM's libs. The fourth is a personal feeling. I would really like some music player that's integrated into e17. Also, it's a pain to configure some small things, like shortcuts, integrate mouse-theme to GTK and QT apps, etc... I'm sure EFL is powerful enough to bring to life all those must-have apps. But someone has told me there are alternatives to Amarok and Konsole. I would like to know which ones, because I can't find anything nearly as powerful as those two && that doesn't require the majority of GTK libs (therefore, turning my desktop into a semi-gnome one; better to install Ubuntu, kill GDM and run e17 to draw the desktop instead). I'm sorry if I sound unhappy; that's not the case. It's just like a beautiful car that doesn't have seats: it is still beautiful, but highly unusable. I really think e17 is the most beautiful DM out there, but it misses some tools that force me to almost install another whole DM just to use some of its tools. Thank you and congratulations for the good and beautiful work. -- Linux User nº 451568 Linux Mint Gloria KDE Edition running on Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2Gb DDR-400 2x Maxtor 40Gb in RAID 0 SATA Samsung 160Gb A8N SLI Premium gForce 6800 GS Ultra - Deceased... -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
