RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. You do not agree with my opinion. That's all well and good. I don't happen to agree with your opinion. Guess what? Nobody cares except you and I so get over it and be civil. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I fail to understand why a simple difference of opinion vexes you so much and why you continue to harp on it. I have differences of opinions with lots and lots of people including friends, family and coworkers. My brother does not agree with my opinion that publicly funded universities are cheating the public by not putting their classes on-line as web broadcasts. But we still sit down together at Thanksgiving and Christmas and laugh and joke and generally get along, unless we're on the same side playing cards. But we try to avoid that now. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. Ruled what? For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 5.0 was not the beginning of beginnings. 4.0 ruled! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Didn't know I was talking trash. In terms of wits, you're the one that couldn't figure out that Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 posted to an EXCHANGE list means Migrating from GroupWise 6.5...TO EXCHANGE. I do not need to talk trash, your posts speak for themselves. . Well, I figured you were migrating to Exchange 5.0 ! A had a whole list of links for too. Time wasted _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Nice job, Yoda. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Trouble you are not A wise man you are -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ruled what? For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 5.0 was not the beginning of beginnings. 4.0 ruled! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Didn't know I was talking trash. In terms of wits, you're the one that couldn't figure out that Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 posted to an EXCHANGE list means Migrating from GroupWise 6.5...TO EXCHANGE. I do not need to talk trash, your posts speak for themselves. . Well, I figured you were migrating to Exchange 5.0 ! A had a whole list of links for too. Time wasted Sidekick? Nope, you're way outta my league bub. I like to hang with those that contain more than two brain cells to rub together... But please keep talking trash, it's not often we get to have a battle of wits with an unarmed rock... :P -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 So that would make you my comical and utterly inept sidekick? Yer mah heeer... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK people, let me spell this out for you since you seem to be having a brain seizure. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Can I get an Amen! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
First off, don't drink the Koolaid that says BCV snaps of Exchange are a good idea. At least not yet - not until there is native (i.e. written by Microsoft) support for pausing IO and acquiescing of the database prior to a snapshot being taken. Even then, it is NOT the zero downtime solution that an online backup provides - because the database IO must be halted to bring about a consistent database state prior to creating the snapshot. IIRC, Ex2k3 or one of its service packs is supposed to support this functionality. Add to the above reasons the aspects of what are lost on your production database (page checking as part of the backup) and they're still not a good idea. I find it much more palatable to have a RAID0 array on-SAN that is used for backups via NTBackup and then rip that file to tape. But its not a kewl technology and no where nearly as 31337 as BCV and snapshots. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Running Eseutil /d
The online exchange defragmenter does a nice job of keeping the databases maintained. There is no reason to do an offline defrag unless you've hit the 16Gb limit in Exchange Standard edition -or- something has gotten really screwed up in the database and exchange cannot rebuild the store from the logs. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Running Eseutil /d Sorry to ask this question. But as I have learned in the past there is no need to run Eseutil /d on the stores unless there are issues. I have an Exchange admin who does this quarterly and I am gathering up information to present my point. On 5/5.5/2000 I have never run eseutil on the databases and the servers ran fine. Maybe I am wrongAfter searching the FAQ and Google some advice would be helpful. Thanks Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
You get points for finding a way to work 31337 into an Exchange discussion list. Way to go you hax0r. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange First off, don't drink the Koolaid that says BCV snaps of Exchange are a good idea. At least not yet - not until there is native (i.e. written by Microsoft) support for pausing IO and acquiescing of the database prior to a snapshot being taken. Even then, it is NOT the zero downtime solution that an online backup provides - because the database IO must be halted to bring about a consistent database state prior to creating the snapshot. IIRC, Ex2k3 or one of its service packs is supposed to support this functionality. Add to the above reasons the aspects of what are lost on your production database (page checking as part of the backup) and they're still not a good idea. I find it much more palatable to have a RAID0 array on-SAN that is used for backups via NTBackup and then rip that file to tape. But its not a kewl technology and no where nearly as 31337 as BCV and snapshots. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Sorry, all out. I have one hallelujah left though ...:-) It's nearly Christmas! Sander -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2003 03:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Can I get an Amen! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, but mydotcomcanbeatupyour.com is a registered domain of a former coworker of mine. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What next? Fighting words will begin with, My Exchange server and kick your Exchange server's a$$!? What have we become? Tomorrows news headline will read, When mail admins go bad. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Its more like Screech from Saved by the Bell VS Danny Partridge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I can hear the music from Rocky when Rocky enters the ring to do battle with Apollo Creed Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 starts doing the running man You can't touch this! -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I can moonwalk. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK people, let me spell this out for you since you seem to be having a brain seizure. The subject Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 means that I am migrating a client from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange, specifically Exchange 2000. My apologies, I thought that would be obvious given that this is an Exchange list. My fault, I should have been more specific. Now the reason that this question about the 5.2.6 client comes up in relation to GroupWise 6.5 is that Microsoft indicates that the GroupWise 6.5 client does not work with the Exchange Migration Wizard. I actually have not tested this completely but will before the end of the week. I decided to go with a known entity, the GroupWise 5.2.6 client, the recommended client from Microsoft. So, from preliminary testing, you have to run the 5.2.6 client to interact with the Exchange Migration Wizard but it also has to interact with the GroupWise 6.5 PO, hence the question to the list. Now, thanks entirely to myself and no thanks to the sarcastic peanut gallery, I have solved this issue and am more than happy to pass along my findings in the hope that someone else may benefit from this knowledge. I was able to get the 5.2.6 client working against the 6.5 PO by removing the checkbox to enforce a minimum client on the GroupWise PO and by doing some file copying. What I did was to install the standard GroupWise 5.2.6 client on a workstation. However, running it against the GroupWise 6.5 PO generated an error, something to the effect that Your PO does not have the correct views for this client. So, I went into the ofviews\win directory on the client and copied the non-duplicate files to the ofviews\win directory of the GroupWise 6.5 PO. I did not replace any .vew or .ini files and while I have not tested it, I would not recommend that you replace any of the 6.5 files with 5.x files. Thus far, I have tested this successfully connecting in DIRECT mode to the GW PO. The GW 5.2.6 client works and the Exchange Migration Wizard works. One item of note is that the extraction seems to be taking an inordinately long amount of time. While previous experience has shown DIRECT to be faster in the extraction versus CLIENT/SERVER, I am going to test CLIENT/SERVER next. And then I am going to test using a GroupWise 6.5 client instead of the 5.2.6 client but I do not anticipate that will work. If anyone has some specific experience on this and knows for sure, I'd appreciate a heads-up so that I can avoid wasting time. Since this is the first GroupWise 6.5 migration that I have done and from the lack of any useful information from the list perhaps one of the very first or very few, I'll keep the list updated with information on how this goes and any caveats or issues I encounter. I'd
SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA and SMTP
Actually, you can't snoop the SSL traffic. Ok, you can, but its worthless. I'd suggest an SSL accelerator (either hardware or software) sitting in the DMZ, passing unencrypted traffic between the DMZ and a front end server on the internal network. We've been doing that for about 18 months without any issues (albiet in an Ex5.5 environment, but that shouldn't matter). I'd also suggest a front end server dedicated to OWA, as that's an additional layer of protection. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Those are very powerful seven (your number--I haven't counted) ports. You're pretty safe by allowing only SSL into OWA, enforcing a strong password policy, and watching the traffic that passes through the firewall. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Ed, It takes 7 ports from front end server for windows 2000 communication plus the exchange ports to make it work. So my only argument is that if the front end box gets compromised, hackers has access to those seven ports and wherever they terminate. However my putting the front end server on the LAN, there is not telling where the bad guys will have access if the front end server is compromised. And please don't get me wrong, I understand that the ports required for Win2k are significant ports. However ISA might be a good solution too, I will look into it. Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP There's a whitepaper on the Exchange 2000 web site about using ISA. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Can you point me to those articles/white papers etc. ?? I would like to look into the possibility of using ISA and keeping FE server in DMZ. Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Don't they show ISA in there as well? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why do Microsoft FE/BE whitepapers show FE in DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP I couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you. IMHO, it is not. I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and troubleshooting. Some may offer the argument that if your FE server gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated. Let's be honest. With the ports that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in a DMZ or not. I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE servers in the DMZ. That, plus I seem to remember that it is now Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ. I'll see if I can find the reference to that. Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit. It is, after all, your network, not mine. Ultimately, if you feel it is a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that. I'm just trying to offer feedback. As far as 5.5, that is a different scenario altogether. 5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from the Exchange mailbox server. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta
SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Or a Happy Hanukkah or Merry Kwanza to those of us who observe one of them... Only a handful here will get the reference, but I had occasion to share the story of Peter Frampton and the Rabbi last weekend Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Sorry, all out. I have one hallelujah left though ...:-) It's nearly Christmas! Sander -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2003 03:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Can I get an Amen! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
LOL! Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:14 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or a Happy Hanukkah or Merry Kwanza to those of us who observe one of them... Only a handful here will get the reference, but I had occasion to share the story of Peter Frampton and the Rabbi last weekend Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Sorry, all out. I have one hallelujah left though ...:-) It's nearly Christmas! Sander -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2003 03:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Can I get an Amen! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent I prefer the GFS rotation of CA. As far as the interface I have no problem with it. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rép. : RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
It is a very interesting to see all the respond to the initial question of Greg. Only 4 acceptable answer. How many time lose to read the scrap the other specialist!!!, for me this kind of list is to help anybody to find a solution for a particular problem. If a people can not help, please do not answer. I hope anybody can understand this simple idea! Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
The address you have which I assume is your firewall is not accepting connections. Look at your firewall logs... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't really used it. I also used Arcserve and detested it. The speeds with Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface. I much prefer my BackupExec 9.0. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent I prefer the GFS rotation of CA. As far as the interface I have no problem with it. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA and SMTP
Because Microsoft and Security are synonymous, of course! If one chooses to put their FE server in the DMZ, open the bazillion ports required to connect to the BE server and the FE server gets compromised in any way. You have just opened the door to your internal network. Some might say, the same about putting the FE directly on the same LAN as the BE server, but at least you'll go down knowing that you weren't operating under a false sense of security. Putting the FE in a DMZ will only make you feel all warm and fuzzy till the box gets compromised. Putting the FE on your LAN at least makes you more aware that the threat is there and you're only opening 2-3 ports versus about 20. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why do Microsoft FE/BE whitepapers show FE in DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP I couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you. IMHO, it is not. I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and troubleshooting. Some may offer the argument that if your FE server gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated. Let's be honest. With the ports that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in a DMZ or not. I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE servers in the DMZ. That, plus I seem to remember that it is now Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ. I'll see if I can find the reference to that. Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit. It is, after all, your network, not mine. Ultimately, if you feel it is a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that. I'm just trying to offer feedback. As far as 5.5, that is a different scenario altogether. 5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from the Exchange mailbox server. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Thanks everybody for replying. The plan is exactly to open 443 from outside and required ports for GC/LDAP and required ports for BE server. The DMZ is separate physical network (VLAN) and Firewall is going to allow these specific kind of traffic only to required specific servers on inside network. You guys seem very concerned with that which I respectfully don't understand. Also this is exactly what we did in exchange 5.5, right?? Or another idea might be to create an IPSec tunnel between FE server and DCs and limit the number of ports that way, ideas? Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP I totally agree. It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured zone. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why go through the hassle? It is much easier (and just as secure) to simply put the FE server inside your network, open up port 443 and 25 to the FE server (I would not open port 80 for OWA), and that is all you should have to do. If you want to be even more secure, use something like ISA server to publish the FE OWA server. There are some servers that belong on a DMZ. A FE OWA server is not one of them. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:36 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Have FE and BE on separate VLANs and set up access lists on the routers allowing just the back-end VLAN to only accept traffic from the front-end VLAN if it is coming from the FE server, and only the specified ports. How does that
RE: OWA and SMTP
No, it should be on the edge of your network... ;o) -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Shouldn't the ISA server be in the DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Don't they show ISA in there as well? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why do Microsoft FE/BE whitepapers show FE in DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP I couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you. IMHO, it is not. I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and troubleshooting. Some may offer the argument that if your FE server gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated. Let's be honest. With the ports that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in a DMZ or not. I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE servers in the DMZ. That, plus I seem to remember that it is now Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ. I'll see if I can find the reference to that. Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit. It is, after all, your network, not mine. Ultimately, if you feel it is a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that. I'm just trying to offer feedback. As far as 5.5, that is a different scenario altogether. 5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from the Exchange mailbox server. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Thanks everybody for replying. The plan is exactly to open 443 from outside and required ports for GC/LDAP and required ports for BE server. The DMZ is separate physical network (VLAN) and Firewall is going to allow these specific kind of traffic only to required specific servers on inside network. You guys seem very concerned with that which I respectfully don't understand. Also this is exactly what we did in exchange 5.5, right?? Or another idea might be to create an IPSec tunnel between FE server and DCs and limit the number of ports that way, ideas? Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP I totally agree. It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured zone. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why go through the hassle? It is much easier (and just as secure) to simply put the FE server inside your network, open up port 443 and 25 to the FE server (I would not open port 80 for OWA), and that is all you should have to do. If you want to be even more secure, use something like ISA server to publish the FE OWA server. There are some servers that belong on a DMZ. A FE OWA server is not one of them. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:36 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Have FE and BE on separate VLANs and set up access lists on the routers allowing just the back-end VLAN to only accept traffic from the front-end VLAN if it is coming from the FE server, and only the specified ports. How does that sound? -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What Martin is saying is
RE: OWA and SMTP
Davinder, What are the 7 ports? Might they not be more risk than just 25 and 443? Risks are all around us, it's up to us to determine what level of risk we're willing to accept... -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Ed, It takes 7 ports from front end server for windows 2000 communication plus the exchange ports to make it work. So my only argument is that if the front end box gets compromised, hackers has access to those seven ports and wherever they terminate. However my putting the front end server on the LAN, there is not telling where the bad guys will have access if the front end server is compromised. And please don't get me wrong, I understand that the ports required for Win2k are significant ports. However ISA might be a good solution too, I will look into it. Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP There's a whitepaper on the Exchange 2000 web site about using ISA. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Can you point me to those articles/white papers etc. ?? I would like to look into the possibility of using ISA and keeping FE server in DMZ. Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP Don't they show ISA in there as well? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why do Microsoft FE/BE whitepapers show FE in DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP I couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you. IMHO, it is not. I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and troubleshooting. Some may offer the argument that if your FE server gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated. Let's be honest. With the ports that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in a DMZ or not. I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE servers in the DMZ. That, plus I seem to remember that it is now Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ. I'll see if I can find the reference to that. Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit. It is, after all, your network, not mine. Ultimately, if you feel it is a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that. I'm just trying to offer feedback. As far as 5.5, that is a different scenario altogether. 5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from the Exchange mailbox server. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Thanks everybody for replying. The plan is exactly to open 443 from outside and required ports for GC/LDAP and required ports for BE server. The DMZ is separate physical network (VLAN) and Firewall is going to allow these specific kind of traffic only to required specific servers on inside network. You guys seem very concerned with that which I respectfully don't understand. Also this is exactly what we did in exchange 5.5, right?? Or another idea might be to create an IPSec tunnel between FE server and DCs and limit the number of ports that way, ideas? Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP I totally agree. It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured
RE: OWA and SMTP
But you don't have to open those 20 ports to the entire world. You can only specify that the FE should be able to talk to the BE and the DCs. I agree - it is more work to set up and maintain. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Because Microsoft and Security are synonymous, of course! If one chooses to put their FE server in the DMZ, open the bazillion ports required to connect to the BE server and the FE server gets compromised in any way. You have just opened the door to your internal network. Some might say, the same about putting the FE directly on the same LAN as the BE server, but at least you'll go down knowing that you weren't operating under a false sense of security. Putting the FE in a DMZ will only make you feel all warm and fuzzy till the box gets compromised. Putting the FE on your LAN at least makes you more aware that the threat is there and you're only opening 2-3 ports versus about 20. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why do Microsoft FE/BE whitepapers show FE in DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP I couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you. IMHO, it is not. I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and troubleshooting. Some may offer the argument that if your FE server gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated. Let's be honest. With the ports that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in a DMZ or not. I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE servers in the DMZ. That, plus I seem to remember that it is now Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ. I'll see if I can find the reference to that. Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit. It is, after all, your network, not mine. Ultimately, if you feel it is a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that. I'm just trying to offer feedback. As far as 5.5, that is a different scenario altogether. 5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from the Exchange mailbox server. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Thanks everybody for replying. The plan is exactly to open 443 from outside and required ports for GC/LDAP and required ports for BE server. The DMZ is separate physical network (VLAN) and Firewall is going to allow these specific kind of traffic only to required specific servers on inside network. You guys seem very concerned with that which I respectfully don't understand. Also this is exactly what we did in exchange 5.5, right?? Or another idea might be to create an IPSec tunnel between FE server and DCs and limit the number of ports that way, ideas? Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP I totally agree. It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured zone. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why go through the hassle? It is much easier (and just as secure) to simply put the FE server inside your network, open up port 443 and 25 to the FE server (I would not open port 80 for OWA), and that is all you should have to do. If you want to be even more secure, use something like ISA server to publish the FE OWA server. There are some servers that belong on a DMZ. A FE OWA server is not one of them. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317)
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
The Exchange component of TSM works well...if you're a TSM shop. Regards, Orin Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't really used it. I also used Arcserve and detested it. The speeds with Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface. I much prefer my BackupExec 9.0. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent I prefer the GFS rotation of CA. As far as the interface I have no problem with it. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: OWA and SMTP
Well, of course, but what if the FE gets compromised? It's still allowed to talk to the BE and DC's, right? Problem still exists... We can all debate this till we're blue in the face, but the fact is, putting an FE server in the DMZ only gives you a false sense of security. It's no more or no less secure than putting the FE directly on the LAN... Now an SMTP relay by itself in the DMZ is no biggie... But leave OWA protected as best you can... -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP But you don't have to open those 20 ports to the entire world. You can only specify that the FE should be able to talk to the BE and the DCs. I agree - it is more work to set up and maintain. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Because Microsoft and Security are synonymous, of course! If one chooses to put their FE server in the DMZ, open the bazillion ports required to connect to the BE server and the FE server gets compromised in any way. You have just opened the door to your internal network. Some might say, the same about putting the FE directly on the same LAN as the BE server, but at least you'll go down knowing that you weren't operating under a false sense of security. Putting the FE in a DMZ will only make you feel all warm and fuzzy till the box gets compromised. Putting the FE on your LAN at least makes you more aware that the threat is there and you're only opening 2-3 ports versus about 20. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Why do Microsoft FE/BE whitepapers show FE in DMZ? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP I couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you. IMHO, it is not. I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and troubleshooting. Some may offer the argument that if your FE server gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated. Let's be honest. With the ports that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in a DMZ or not. I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE servers in the DMZ. That, plus I seem to remember that it is now Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ. I'll see if I can find the reference to that. Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit. It is, after all, your network, not mine. Ultimately, if you feel it is a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that. I'm just trying to offer feedback. As far as 5.5, that is a different scenario altogether. 5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from the Exchange mailbox server. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: OWA and SMTP Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP Thanks everybody for replying. The plan is exactly to open 443 from outside and required ports for GC/LDAP and required ports for BE server. The DMZ is separate physical network (VLAN) and Firewall is going to allow these specific kind of traffic only to required specific servers on inside network. You guys seem very concerned with that which I respectfully don't understand. Also this is exactly what we did in exchange 5.5, right?? Or another idea might be to create an IPSec tunnel between FE server and DCs and limit the number of ports that way, ideas? Thanks Davinder -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: OWA and SMTP I totally agree. It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured zone. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
We use Netbackup Datacenter 4.5 and while the interface is clunkier than backup exec imo, the speeds have been tremendous and the system itself has been very reliable. Supposedly it will back up straight from a san but we haven't hooked it up to ours yet. Jason From: Ben Winzenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:57 -0500 If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't really used it. I also used Arcserve and detested it. The speeds with Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface. I much prefer my BackupExec 9.0. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent I prefer the GFS rotation of CA. As far as the interface I have no problem with it. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=;
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Ok Mr. I help build this community, Here's my opinion... You're like a hemorrhoid and no amount of Preparation H is making you go away... :( -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
I concur. We have TSM here at Spherion and I am growing to like it. The back-end of TSM is taken care of by *nix guys, so I don't know how easy it is to configure and maintain it there. But on the Exchange server side it is very straightforward and works very well. Our Exchange servers are on a SAN, and we have recently implemented SAN backup, with the tape drives residing on the SAN fabric. This way the backup/restore data is not sent via the Ethernet, but rather via fiber - it is very fast. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange The Exchange component of TSM works well...if you're a TSM shop. Regards, Orin Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't really used it. I also used Arcserve and detested it. The speeds with Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface. I much prefer my BackupExec 9.0. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent I prefer the GFS rotation of CA. As far as the interface I have no problem with it. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
I think Netbackup allows tape multiplexing which greatly increases backup speeds, but could be a pain during restores - data would need to be de-multiplexed. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Jason Rader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange We use Netbackup Datacenter 4.5 and while the interface is clunkier than backup exec imo, the speeds have been tremendous and the system itself has been very reliable. Supposedly it will back up straight from a san but we haven't hooked it up to ours yet. Jason From: Ben Winzenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:57 -0500 If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't really used it. I also used Arcserve and detested it. The speeds with Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface. I much prefer my BackupExec 9.0. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent I prefer the GFS rotation of CA. As far as the interface I have no problem with it. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outlook XP - Exch 2ksp3 POP3 Login problems
As I said... it's set to never expire and it has not. She is able to send and receive email, she just keeps getting prompted for her password. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. You do not agree with my opinion. That's all well and good. I don't happen to agree with your opinion. Guess what? Nobody cares except you and I so get over it and be civil. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I fail to understand why a simple difference of opinion vexes you so much and why you continue to harp on it. I have differences of opinions with lots and lots of people including friends, family and coworkers. My brother does not agree with my opinion that publicly funded universities are cheating the public by not putting their classes on-line as web broadcasts. But we still sit down together at Thanksgiving and Christmas and laugh and joke and generally get along, unless we're on the same side playing cards. But we try to avoid that now. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. Ruled what? For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 5.0 was not the beginning of beginnings. 4.0 ruled! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Didn't know I was talking trash. In terms of wits, you're the one that couldn't figure out that Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 posted to an EXCHANGE list means Migrating from GroupWise 6.5...TO EXCHANGE. I do not need to talk trash, your posts speak for themselves. . Well, I figured you were migrating to Exchange 5.0 ! A had a whole list of links for too. Time wasted _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I'm sorry. The title of this discussion list is Exchange Discussions, not Exchange Help Line. You are not the arbiter; I shall discuss what I choose to discuss. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Kick his a$$ seabass! _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I'm sorry. The title of this discussion list is Exchange Discussions, not Exchange Help Line. You are not the arbiter; I shall discuss what I choose to discuss. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Read my earlier post. Especially the part about being circumspect. As to your claim about what MVPs said about small gifts, you are simply a liar; there's no better term for it. I have the archives, and I remember very clearly what I typed and others posted, but I choose not to go research this matter only to prove that a blowhard is wrong. You have no credibility to begin with, so why should I bother? Didn't you once use the term MVP Select or some such in your signature? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Facts are facts. Ok Mr. I help build this community, _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Huh? I'm sorry. The title of this discussion list is Exchange Discussions, not Exchange Help Line. You are not the arbiter; I shall discuss what I choose to discuss. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
I'm still partial to doing a manual rotation scheme, but maybe that's just old school. I also have a large number of systems for which we do daily full backups. I also prefer to do differentials rather than incrementals, which means GFS doesn't usually work so well. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent I prefer the GFS rotation of CA. As far as the interface I have no problem with it. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Have you seen a mental health professional lately? I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
And fiction is fiction... Your point? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Facts are facts. Ok Mr. I help build this community, _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Did ya hear that sound? It was a whoosh right over your head... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Huh? I'm sorry. The title of this discussion list is Exchange Discussions, not Exchange Help Line. You are not the arbiter; I shall discuss what I choose to discuss. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Well, our recollections are different. My recollection is that the MVP's swore up and down that they did not get compensated. I may have missed something in the deluge of postings and it was quite a while ago so I may not have a perfect recollection of this. To term this lying is simply intellectual dishonest. Read my earlier post. Especially the part about being circumspect. As to your claim about what MVPs said about small gifts, you are simply a liar; there's no better term for it. I have the archives, and I remember very clearly what I typed and others posted, but I choose not to go research this matter only to prove that a blowhard is wrong. You have no credibility to begin with, so why should I bother? Didn't you once use the term MVP Select or some such in your signature? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Greg, can you please give up now? I'd really appreciate if you just kneeled down and bow to us immediatelywuhahahahahahaha! Come to the darks side Greg... Let go... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Sure thing guy, the response did not follow the discussion thread. Did ya hear that sound? It was a whoosh right over your head... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Huh? I'm sorry. The title of this discussion list is Exchange Discussions, not Exchange Help Line. You are not the arbiter; I shall discuss what I choose to discuss. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
So a gift for a job well done is now compensation? I'll have to keep that one in mind, I never realized I was paying people for Xmas, Birthdays, Anniversaries, and the like... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, our recollections are different. My recollection is that the MVP's swore up and down that they did not get compensated. I may have missed something in the deluge of postings and it was quite a while ago so I may not have a perfect recollection of this. To term this lying is simply intellectual dishonest. Read my earlier post. Especially the part about being circumspect. As to your claim about what MVPs said about small gifts, you are simply a liar; there's no better term for it. I have the archives, and I remember very clearly what I typed and others posted, but I choose not to go research this matter only to prove that a blowhard is wrong. You have no credibility to begin with, so why should I bother? Didn't you once use the term MVP Select or some such in your signature? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
In one of these WOB emails from you, you stated that we were here to provide support... I'd go dig it up, but quite frankly, I'm not interested in the words that protrude from any holes on your body... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Sure thing guy, the response did not follow the discussion thread. Did ya hear that sound? It was a whoosh right over your head... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Huh? I'm sorry. The title of this discussion list is Exchange Discussions, not Exchange Help Line. You are not the arbiter; I shall discuss what I choose to discuss. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mo de =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
What do the firewall logs show? -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You meant morally-uptight right? :P -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
We are very happy with Commvault Galaxy, but your not looking at that. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
All I was doing by responding was to attempt to get back to a common ground of civility. Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Then why do it on the list? Why not e-mail Ed directly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 All I was doing by responding was to attempt to get back to a common ground of civility. Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Honestly, didn't occur to me, but then you could ask similar questions about a lot of the messages that flow through this list. Then why do it on the list? Why not e-mail Ed directly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 All I was doing by responding was to attempt to get back to a common ground of civility. Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SV: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Yep please keep all that garbage out of the news group, Now we have around 20 e-mails - just to trow in the trash This is a Exchange Discussion group - not a discussion in a Kindergarten... -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Greg Deckler Sendt: 11. december 2003 17:37 Til: Exchange Discussions Emne: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Honestly, didn't occur to me, but then you could ask similar questions about a lot of the messages that flow through this list. Then why do it on the list? Why not e-mail Ed directly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 All I was doing by responding was to attempt to get back to a common ground of civility. Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mo de =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
He should change the direction of his scope. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange We are very happy with Commvault Galaxy, but your not looking at that. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
As Ferris Bueler once said, He so uptight, if you put a lump of coal up his a$$, you'd have a diamond in 2 weeks! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You meant morally-uptight right? :P -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GBMT and GW 6.5 PO
OK, I have thus far been unsuccessful in getting GBMT to work against a 6.5 PO. I've pretty much given up hope that this is going to work, which is not necessarily a huge problem since there are only 700 mailboxes to migrate. I have tested this with both the 5.2.6 GW client and the 6.5 GW client installed. With both, I can export users from the PO, but I cannot reset passwords or set proxy access. I've tried this every which way possible and have an email pending to the creator but I'm not anticipating that this is going to work. Anyone else have any experiences with setting proxy access in GW 6.x (specifically 6.5) or in getting the GBMT tool to work against a 6.x PO? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
In the past 5 years we went from CA ArcServe to Veritas BackupExec to CommVault Galaxy. We are very happy with the CommVault solution. We backup over SAN fiber fabric, a dedicated GB backend server network and the user's 100MB network. It is very fast and resilient. It is worth your time to look at this. My test recovery of Exchange 5.5 has been flawless in each of my 4 tests. I expect the same when we migrate to Exchange 2003 this year. -Jim -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: SBS Setup
All, I'm trying to figure out what is the best design (hardware wise) for a SBS server that I will be setting up here in the future. I'm trying to figure out what is the best way to maximize the server's resources with the setup. One question I do have is. When you setup SBS can you point all the different applications (E2K3, SQL, Sharepoint etc) do different file locations? I tried asking the MS Conceirge people but they didn't know as well. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to maybe seperate some apps and put them on their own controllers. What do you recommend? TIA, _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
They don't show errors, just blocked websites and such, they arent very detailed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: 11 December 2003 16:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server What do the firewall logs show? -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Some more information on Professional Ethic http://www.westga.edu/~rlane/professional/lecture_professionsprofessionaliz ation2.html For those with any interest. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
They will if you crank up the logging -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server They don't show errors, just blocked websites and such, they arent very detailed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: 11 December 2003 16:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server What do the firewall logs show? -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SBS Setup
I go by... Lots of RAM but not more the 2GB As much CPU as I/they can afford SCSI disks preferrend but fast IDE for small user count... SCSI tape drive for sure..20GB dat4 usually default type install I have not done a W2K3 SBS yet but have 2 scheduled... for like 5 and 10 user shop's since I havent had to really deal with SBS since 4.5 (ok I loaded sbs w2k3 rc1..it was cool)I still remember it is a bit of a mystical beast and temperamental I think to the poor sole down the road who has to maybe fix it after me... I subscribe to KISS 2 cents bill PS my 2 DL330 1-2.0Ghzp4/1MB RAM/Dual 80GB IDE 8200RPM Mirrored via the cpw ML330 built in raid... insert disk let it load... -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: SBS Setup All, I'm trying to figure out what is the best design (hardware wise) for a SBS server that I will be setting up here in the future. I'm trying to figure out what is the best way to maximize the server's resources with the setup. One question I do have is. When you setup SBS can you point all the different applications (E2K3, SQL, Sharepoint etc) do different file locations? I tried asking the MS Conceirge people but they didn't know as well. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to maybe seperate some apps and put them on their own controllers. What do you recommend? TIA, _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
Surely the firewall logs must show which SMTP connections are accepted or dropped. -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server They don't show errors, just blocked websites and such, they arent very detailed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: 11 December 2003 16:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server What do the firewall logs show? -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
Go into Log, Log Settings, at the bottom check on Dropped TCP Connections -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Surely the firewall logs must show which SMTP connections are accepted or dropped. -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server They don't show errors, just blocked websites and such, they arent very detailed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: 11 December 2003 16:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server What do the firewall logs show? -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
Start doing various Telnet tests on port 25 (from outside to your firewall, from firewall to the Exchange server). You can go to http://www.network-tools.com and from there you could do a variety of tests too. For example, you could stick your e-mail address there, then select E-mail Validation, then click Submit --- you will actually see the conversation between their mail server and your mail server (or your firewall). -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server They don't show errors, just blocked websites and such, they arent very detailed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: 11 December 2003 16:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server What do the firewall logs show? -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Pepsi. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Some more information on Professional Ethic http://www.westga.edu/~rlane/professional/lecture_professionsprofessionaliz ation2.html For those with any interest. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
From that page, 2. A profession involves a system of symbolic rewards -- a system of rewards (monetary and honorary) that is primarily a set of symbols of work achievement and thus ends in themselves, not means to some end of individual self-interest. (36) * Honorary rewards are relatively more important in professional than in nonprofessional behavior; this is because monetary rewards are a more appropriate reward for individual self-interest while honorary rewards (prestige, awards, and other honors) are more appropriate for community interest. * Honorary rewards: a combination of prestige and titles, medals, prizes, offices in professional societies, and so forth... (36) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Some more information on Professional Ethic http://www.westga.edu/~rlane/professional/lecture_professionsprofessionaliz ation2.html For those with any interest. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
GD wrote: Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. I can perhaps understand why an employer might take this stance but why would I, or anyone else on the list care? They're telling us things not selling us things so it doesn't bother me in the least even if Microsoft's contribution to their net income is vastly greater than their employer's. GD also claimed: a community I helped build I honestly can't say I've ever noticed your name before but I do take lengthy breaks so maybe you slipped in between these - I do think I'd remember someone so outstandingly pompous otherwise. All members of a community help to build it. I don't go round thanking everyone I see in the street for building my real-world community and I certainly don't wear a badge saying I helped to build this community, you may kiss my ring. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
We also use TSM and it is great for our Exchange 5.5 system or anything else with few but large files. It's pretty easy to work with once you get used to it. We're going to have to mess around with our SAN config to allow for a restore domain for Exchange 2000 but that's our problem (as is the reason we're going to Exchange 2000 not 2003 - as it happens it looks like we might even have a 2003 server for doing restores of our Exchange 2000 system - batty but not my decision and not relevant, I realise). -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2003 15:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange I concur. We have TSM here at Spherion and I am growing to like it. The back-end of TSM is taken care of by *nix guys, so I don't know how easy it is to configure and maintain it there. But on the Exchange server side it is very straightforward and works very well. Our Exchange servers are on a SAN, and we have recently implemented SAN backup, with the tape drives residing on the SAN fabric. This way the backup/restore data is not sent via the Ethernet, but rather via fiber - it is very fast. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
These types of fights happen every few months on this list, and they are always aired in public. The resulting witch hunts can go too far, we should try and stop the insults when personal slurs are made at people's reputations. No individual becomes a winner or loser, just the list as good contributors often leave as a result. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Then why do it on the list? Why not e-mail Ed directly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 All I was doing by responding was to attempt to get back to a common ground of civility. Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SBS Setup
Do you mean the apps themselves, or their data files? I've installed a couple of SBS 2K servers and don't remember any option to change the location of ISA, Exchange, etc (but then again, I wasn't looking for it, either). You can, however, change the location of the applications' data files, which is what I think you are asking. I don't think different controllers are warranted, but you will want to use separate spindles for Exchange and SQL log files and data stores. This is to facilitate disaster recovery. If memory serves, the last SBS box I set up had a pair of 36GB drives and a pair of 72GB drives (each pair RAID1). 8GB of the 36GB pair was the C: drive, and the remainder used for Exchange logs (if it were running SQL, it's logs would go there as well). The 72GB pair was split into two 36GB partitions. One was exclusively Exchange store. The other was everything else (applications, home directories, profiles, ISA cache, etc.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: SBS Setup All, I'm trying to figure out what is the best design (hardware wise) for a SBS server that I will be setting up here in the future. I'm trying to figure out what is the best way to maximize the server's resources with the setup. One question I do have is. When you setup SBS can you point all the different applications (E2K3, SQL, Sharepoint etc) do different file locations? I tried asking the MS Conceirge people but they didn't know as well. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to maybe seperate some apps and put them on their own controllers. What do you recommend? TIA, _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Look, if you cannot understand the difference then you are simply not trying. Did you miss the word from vendors? Honorary titles, medals and other stuff granted on behalf of a professional society to its members is one thing. Vendors are completely different. If a doctor accepted an honorary title from a drug vendor like Pfizer, they would most likely lose their license to practice. But we will never know because it simply isn't done in professional circles. Research is educating yourself, not doing a 5-minute search on Google for something that you erroneously believe proves your point. Next. From that page, 2. A profession involves a system of symbolic rewards -- a system of rewards (monetary and honorary) that is primarily a set of symbols of work achievement and thus ends in themselves, not means to some end of individual self-interest. (36) * Honorary rewards are relatively more important in professional than in nonprofessional behavior; this is because monetary rewards are a more appropriate reward for individual self-interest while honorary rewards (prestige, awards, and other honors) are more appropriate for community interest. * Honorary rewards: a combination of prestige and titles, medals, prizes, offices in professional societies, and so forth... (36) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Some more information on Professional Ethic http://www.westga.edu/~rlane/professional/lecture_professionsprofessionaliz ation2.html For those with any interest. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I didn't ask for thanks. I was simply pointing out that I have been here from the beginning and have posted a lot of useful information and as such deserve at least the illusion of civility. GD wrote: Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. I can perhaps understand why an employer might take this stance but why would I, or anyone else on the list care? They're telling us things not selling us things so it doesn't bother me in the least even if Microsoft's contribution to their net income is vastly greater than their employer's. GD also claimed: a community I helped build I honestly can't say I've ever noticed your name before but I do take lengthy breaks so maybe you slipped in between these - I do think I'd remember someone so outstandingly pompous otherwise. All members of a community help to build it. I don't go round thanking everyone I see in the street for building my real-world community and I certainly don't wear a badge saying I helped to build this community, you may kiss my ring. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Actually, degree DOES equal title. One day, I am just ordinary old Jim Blunt. The next day Washington State Univ. bestows an honorary doctorate in Computer Engineering, due to some mythical contributions I have made to the industry. My signature would now read: DR. James Blunt, Computer Engineer -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Im Dr. Love. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Actually, degree DOES equal title. One day, I am just ordinary old Jim Blunt. The next day Washington State Univ. bestows an honorary doctorate in Computer Engineering, due to some mythical contributions I have made to the industry. My signature would now read: DR. James Blunt, Computer Engineer -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Interestingly enough you state that you are a professional and yet make a statement like that. I in no way have attacked you and only posted those (and another link) on professionals and ethics. My statement was not an attack, only a point of reference. If you remember, I was also the only person to respond to your list challenge about your book that followed through. You've belittled me without reason or cause. Very professional of you. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Pepsi. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Interestingly enough you state that you are a professional and yet make a statement like that. I in no way have attacked you and only posted those (and another link) on professionals and ethics. My statement was not an attack, only a point of reference. If you remember, I was also the only person to respond to your list challenge about your book that followed through. You've belittled me without reason or cause. Very professional of you. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Concur -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Pepsi. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Interestingly enough you state that you are a professional and yet make a statement like that. I in no way have attacked you and only posted those (and another link) on professionals and ethics. My statement was not an attack, only a point of reference. If you remember, I was also the only person to respond to your list challenge about your book that followed through. You've belittled me without reason or cause. Very professional of you. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I heard you have operating privileges at the local bath house. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Im Dr. Love. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Actually, degree DOES equal title. One day, I am just ordinary old Jim Blunt. The next day Washington State Univ. bestows an honorary doctorate in Computer Engineering, due to some mythical contributions I have made to the industry. My signature would now read: DR. James Blunt, Computer Engineer -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mixing Qlogic and and Emulex HBA cards
Hello everyone. We have Dell PowerEdge 6650 servers attached to the SAN via Emulex LightPulse cards. It's working great. Now we are setting everything up for a SAN backup using TSM LanFree. We don't have additional Emulex cards and the management does not want to pay extra money for them. But we have Qlogic cards. We have tested the TSM LanFree backup with a server attached to SAN with Qlogic cards. No problem. Great backup and restore speeds. Would this be a good idea to mix Emulex and Qlogic cards on a production system (Emulex continues to work on the regular data, Qlogic will provide the path for backups)? Thanks, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
note to self...Dip self in liquid latex piror...if ever meet these guy's in person -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I heard you have operating privileges at the local bath house. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Im Dr. Love. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Actually, degree DOES equal title. One day, I am just ordinary old Jim Blunt. The next day Washington State Univ. bestows an honorary doctorate in Computer Engineering, due to some mythical contributions I have made to the industry. My signature would now read: DR. James Blunt, Computer Engineer -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SBS Setup
The reason I brought the extra controller was the fact that I'll be using the entire SBS and the System drives on one Controller. I still have a 3rd party application that needs to be installed on this computer as well. So I'm wondering if I should get a secondary controller and set it up like I have it below. Or do you think this is overkill? Your opinions are appreciated. Here is the setup I had in mind. Controller 1 Controller2 I I Channel 1 Channel 2 Channel 1 Channel 2 I I I I (RAID 1) System Drive (RAID5) SBS2K3 Log Files, Shares,etc 3rd party software __ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS Setup Do you mean the apps themselves, or their data files? I've installed a couple of SBS 2K servers and don't remember any option to change the location of ISA, Exchange, etc (but then again, I wasn't looking for it, either). You can, however, change the location of the applications' data files, which is what I think you are asking. I don't think different controllers are warranted, but you will want to use separate spindles for Exchange and SQL log files and data stores. This is to facilitate disaster recovery. If memory serves, the last SBS box I set up had a pair of 36GB drives and a pair of 72GB drives (each pair RAID1). 8GB of the 36GB pair was the C: drive, and the remainder used for Exchange logs (if it were running SQL, it's logs would go there as well). The 72GB pair was split into two 36GB partitions. One was exclusively Exchange store. The other was everything else (applications, home directories, profiles, ISA cache, etc.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: SBS Setup All, I'm trying to figure out what is the best design (hardware wise) for a SBS server that I will be setting up here in the future. I'm trying to figure out what is the best way to maximize the server's resources with the setup. One question I do have is. When you setup SBS can you point all the different applications (E2K3, SQL, Sharepoint etc) do different file locations? I tried asking the MS Conceirge people but they didn't know as well. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to maybe seperate some apps and put them on their own controllers. What do you recommend? TIA, _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server
Ok, heres a report from network-tools Interestingly, the address it picks up for our mailgate is wrong, its our old one about 10 days ago we switched from 62.49.146.170 to 80.176.164.194 If I do an nslookup - set type=mx - partition.co.uk Then it gives me the right gateway, can you possibly try for me and see what you get? It might explain why our non-delivery of mail is intermittent (though only 1 in 30 will get through, for example) Can anyone decipher this for me? canonical address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MX records preference exchange IP address (if included) 10 mailgate.partition.co.uk [62.49.146.170] this is the old mailgate address 100 relay-1.mail.demon.net [0.0.0.0] 100 relay-2.mail.demon.net [0.0.0.0] SMTP session [Contacting mailgate.partition.co.uk [62.49.146.170]...] [Timed out] [Contacting relay-1.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.51]...] [Connected] 220 relay-1.mail.demon.net ESMTP Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:50:01 + EHLO Network-Tools.com 250-relay-1.mail.demon.net Hello Network-Tools.com [66.46.181.116] 250-SIZE 250-PIPELINING 250 HELP NOOP *** See http://www.hexillion.com/MailAdmin/ for an explanation of this session 250 OK NOOP *** HexValidEmail COM 1.2 cb2dc578f9be810f7d54402a66c0b818418f456f 250 OK RSET 250 Reset OK VRFY support 252 Administrative prohibition RSET 250 Reset OK EXPN support 550 Administrative prohibition RSET 250 Reset OK MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 OK RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 Accepted RSET 250 Reset OK QUIT 221 relay-1.mail.demon.net closing connection [Connection closed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: 11 December 2003 18:47 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Start doing various Telnet tests on port 25 (from outside to your firewall, from firewall to the Exchange server). You can go to http://www.network-tools.com and from there you could do a variety of tests too. For example, you could stick your e-mail address there, then select E-mail Validation, then click Submit --- you will actually see the conversation between their mail server and your mail server (or your firewall). -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server They don't show errors, just blocked websites and such, they arent very detailed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: 11 December 2003 16:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server What do the firewall logs show? -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP Not Reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I apologize. I responded and did not pay attention to the actual from address. I thought that you were that yoda guy. Interestingly enough you state that you are a professional and yet make a statement like that. I in no way have attacked you and only posted those (and another link) on professionals and ethics. My statement was not an attack, only a point of reference. If you remember, I was also the only person to respond to your list challenge about your book that followed through. You've belittled me without reason or cause. Very professional of you. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I will restate this for seemingly the 11 millionth time. Accepting titles FROM VENDORS is bad and unprofessional. Actually, degree DOES equal title. One day, I am just ordinary old Jim Blunt. The next day Washington State Univ. bestows an honorary doctorate in Computer Engineering, due to some mythical contributions I have made to the industry. My signature would now read: DR. James Blunt, Computer Engineer -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Ok, that's great. Can you stop posting now? ummkay thanks. _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Sorry, I should have been more clear. I will restate this for seemingly the 11 millionth time. Accepting titles FROM VENDORS is bad and unprofessional. Actually, degree DOES equal title. One day, I am just ordinary old Jim Blunt. The next day Washington State Univ. bestows an honorary doctorate in Computer Engineering, due to some mythical contributions I have made to the industry. My signature would now read: DR. James Blunt, Computer Engineer -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
That would be Hemmoroid. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 3:55 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok Mr. I help build this community, Here's my opinion... You're like a hemorrhoid and no amount of Preparation H is making you go away... :( -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
By the way, I am still waiting for my book... -Original Message- From: David Grimstone (DSLWN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 That would be Hemmoroid. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 3:55 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok Mr. I help build this community, Here's my opinion... You're like a hemorrhoid and no amount of Preparation H is making you go away... :( -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I never received mine either. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hutchins, Mike Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 By the way, I am still waiting for my book... -Original Message- From: David Grimstone (DSLWN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 That would be Hemmoroid. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 3:55 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok Mr. I help build this community, Here's my opinion... You're like a hemorrhoid and no amount of Preparation H is making you go away... :( -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Gosh, Greg, it's so nice to know that we can rely on you to stir up this conversation every six months or so so that the new folks will get to know a little history of the list. Anyway, this whole diatribe was started because Ed admitted that he's a vendor whore. What I'm not understanding is why you feel the need to tell us that too. Or maybe all of the MVPs here should also state I'm a vendor whore and then you'll feel like you won a big prize at the fair. Or something. Missy I'm a vendor whore Koslosky - Original Message - From: Greg Deckler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Sorry, I should have been more clear. I will restate this for seemingly the 11 millionth time. Accepting titles FROM VENDORS is bad and unprofessional. Actually, degree DOES equal title. One day, I am just ordinary old Jim Blunt. The next day Washington State Univ. bestows an honorary doctorate in Computer Engineering, due to some mythical contributions I have made to the industry. My signature would now read: DR. James Blunt, Computer Engineer -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, yes, I would expect that to be the extent of your research. degree title check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. googling Dr. receives honorary degree lawyer receives honorary degree Just for reference. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
