RE: doubletake
There are unsubscribe instructions at the bottom of the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reasoner, Bob (PHES) Sent: 08 January 2004 22:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake While I don't want to sound like a stick in the mud this is at least 20 messages that have passed through the list that have no bearing on the subject and fill up our inboxes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake You know, we probably weren't going to go there Dancing bears, dancing bears. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake And just to be clear, I said meet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Cool. A dog thread. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Mine is like that. Half pit bull, half german shepard and the biggest pussy you will ever meet. He is nothing but love. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevinm [NY] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake The dog is 150 pounds, half wolf, half German Sheppard. About the dumbest most loveable dog I have ever met. But boy does he smell... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake That's a huge dog if it can excrete enough wee to flood a beefy mail server Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Kevinm [NY] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: doubletake What does double take really do for exchange?? Yeah so I have a bit by bit copy of the store, my dog comes in and pees on my primary server, now what will double take do for me? will it change IP and Server for me to fail over? How do my users see that there is a double take server?? Any one run this or have it installed that can tell me?? Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us
RE: Exchange 2003 backups
If my users needed to access mail that was older than 2 years I'd design an Exchange setup that gave them the space they needed to store this stuff. PSTs are unreliable PSTs are expensive (e.g. cost of supporting them, disk and backup tape space as they break SIS) I think this is all covered in the FAQs, if not, certainly the archives. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Joyce Sent: Thu 08/01/2004 23:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups This seems to be a popular axiom, buy why are they considered bad ? How else can I give users access to email from 2 years ago ? yes, they do need to access these. What do other organisations do ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST = Bad. themolk. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 backups Hi, I have just moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003. It is a single server setup. I used to use BackupExec+Exchange agent to backup to a DLT. The stores and the individual mailboxes were backed up daily and every week I would stop the services and do a full backup. Before I rush out an pay Veritas for the license upgrade, I thought I would revue the situation. Some background info... The server has 100gb of raid5 diskspace. There is about 125 mailboxes, I expect this to continue to rise to 250 over the next few years. Mailbox sizes used to be about 70mb on 5.5, this has been increased to 100mb. Some staff do need access to archived mail, and they use pst files on the server. At the moment I do not have a well defined backup policy for this setup, I am using ntbackup for stores and state nightly. Any advice ? thanks Matthew Joyce Children's Cancer Institute Australia http://www.ccia.org.au -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode==english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: getting heaps of spams
Ok, lets try to clear something up. Open Relay is a very specific term within email systems, it is a defacto standard way of describing one particular configuration issue that, as Ed says, leaves you wide open to having a server used to send spam to others. It should have little or nothing to do with the amount of spam arriving at your organisation, other than the fact that a spammer may think that someone who is too clueless to close an open relay may also be too clueless to stop them from spamming your customers/users. From reading your messages, I'm thinking that when you talk about other exchange sites in your organisation being open relays, you are talking abou them being open in the sense that they are not as well protected against incoming spam as you are, and relays in the sense that they are in the same exchange org as you and are therefore behaving as all good exchange servers should and routing mail that arrives there addressed to mailboxes on your servers. Is that second paragraph a correct description of how you see the problem? If so, then you don't have an open relay (well you might, but its not connected to this issue at all), so it is best to avoid that term as you are confusing the issue. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: 06 January 2004 10:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams You could be right to think that i don't understand my issue as best as it should be, and that is the very same reason i am trying to be as much explicit and detailed as possible, so that i can get assisted. Don't you agree with me it will be more appropriate to ask me questions about the whole issue to see if there is a better way you can assist me in this? i am confident that way i can clear out ur doubts regarding my understanding on this subject, and in the process hopefully will come to a solution. many thanks Ed --- Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An open relay shouldn't get you spammed any more than usual. It allows you to be used to spam everyone else in the world, though. Perhaps you don't really understand what you're saying about being an open relay. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: getting heaps of spams let me see if i can explain my issue better this time! I am using Trend Micro ScanMail E manager which has content filtering enabled, also running real-time scanner on exchange server. The problem is that all these exchange servers within the enterprise (located different regions of the world )have trusts between them and my exchange server will not stop anything that comes via another trusted exchange box -that sits, say in China etc. If Exchange server in China has relay open, its not that box in china that gets spammed (as correctly pointed by Ed) but mine or other. We probably need to do something about this trusting between boxes. --- John Q Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gfi . . . good product. .. . bad support. Trend = restful sleep every night. - Original Message - From: Jees [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams What is your opinion on gfi? many thanks --- Tony Hlabse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you in need of a spam solution. From: Jees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:16:15 -0800 (PST) Ed, thanks for your response. Getting spams on my exchange is a daily retual to me, however, not as much as 4000 or more spam emails withing the hour. Last time, when i had such a high volume of spam, we had a look at \\exchange server\tracking.log and figured out that one of the exchange server within the enterprise had open for relaying. I can't remember now how we worked it out then, but probably experienced heaps of entries from the spamming exchange server. Hope i am making sense. --- Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can be completely relay secure yet get bombarded with spam. All Exchange servers will let spam through. Looking at the Internet headers of each message will show the stamps
RE: getting heaps of spams
Amen brother. Testify. That's why I don't use it. Would love to though. I know that businesses are not charities, I'm not asking them to give us everything for free because we are an educational establishment, but based on the licence models that are presented to us, I can only conclude that a lot of businesses are either patently clueless about their education customers' business model, or they simply don't want customers from the education sector. If its the latter, that's fine, like I say, I don't expect anything for free just because, but it would be nice in that case if their sales-morons would stop phoning me. Rob bofh luton sixth form college From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dickenson, Steven Sent: Tue 06/01/2004 17:02 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Yeah, and the bad thing about Trend's license model is that it is per user, so if you have 600 users, but only 250 computers (like in a school setting), you pay a lot more. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Well, one nice thing about Trend's license model is that it is per user, not per server. So, if you're licensed for all your users, you can install it in as many places as you want. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Jees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: getting heaps of spams let me see if i can explain my issue better this time! I am using Trend Micro ScanMail E manager which has content filtering enabled, also running real-time scanner on exchange server. The problem is that all these exchange servers within the enterprise (located different regions of the world )have trusts between them and my exchange server will not stop anything that comes via another trusted exchange box -that sits, say in China etc. If Exchange server in China has relay open, its not that box in china that gets spammed (as correctly pointed by Ed) but mine or other. We probably need to do something about this trusting between boxes. --- John Q Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gfi . . . good product. .. . bad support. Trend = restful sleep every night. - Original Message - From: Jees [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams What is your opinion on gfi? many thanks --- Tony Hlabse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you in need of a spam solution. From: Jees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:16:15 -0800 (PST) Ed, thanks for your response. Getting spams on my exchange is a daily retual to me, however, not as much as 4000 or more spam emails withing the hour. Last time, when i had such a high volume of spam, we had a look at \\exchange server\tracking.log and figured out that one of the exchange server within the enterprise had open for relaying. I can't remember now how we worked it out then, but probably experienced heaps of entries from the spamming exchange server. Hope i am making sense. --- Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can be completely relay secure yet get bombarded with spam. All Exchange servers will let spam through. Looking at the Internet headers of each message will show the stamps of the servers which handled the message. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: getting heaps of spams i have exchange 5.5 sp4 running on win 2k sp4. We have number of exchanges around the globe that has trusts between them. I am currently getting tens of thausands of spam email, however my exchange is tested and has no relying problem. I am expecting one of the exchange servers within the global enterprise is open to relying. Can someone tell me how i can check which exchange server letting all these spam email to drain to my
RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K
Yes of course it can. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 12:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K I would be grateful if anyone would be able to confirm that Exchange 2k is able to utilise dual processor technology on W2k server. Regards David Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG Registered Charity No. 209617 A company limited by guarantee Registered in England Company No. 291646 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K
Shhh don't worry about him. He's just jealous that Windows Server MVPs get better bribes than Exchange server ones do. -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 13:53 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Am I allowed to apologise then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K You are not allowed to thank Robert per the Decklerheitsgebot Purity Laws of IT Ethics. -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Cheers Robert as I said I just wanted it confirmed ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moir Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Yes of course it can. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 12:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K I would be grateful if anyone would be able to confirm that Exchange 2k is able to utilise dual processor technology on W2k server. Regards David Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG Registered Charity No. 209617 A company limited by guarantee Registered in England Company No. 291646 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K
See! -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 23/12/2003 13:57 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K I want my compiler! -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Shhh don't worry about him. He's just jealous that Windows Server MVPs get better bribes than Exchange server ones do. -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 13:53 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Am I allowed to apologise then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K You are not allowed to thank Robert per the Decklerheitsgebot Purity Laws of IT Ethics. -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Cheers Robert as I said I just wanted it confirmed ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moir Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Yes of course it can. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 12:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K I would be grateful if anyone would be able to confirm that Exchange 2k is able to utilise dual processor technology on W2k server. Regards David Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG Registered Charity No. 209617 A company limited by guarantee Registered in England Company No. 291646 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K
Nor do I really. I'm making it up as I go along. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 23/12/2003 13:57 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K I don't know about that... -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Shhh don't worry about him. He's just jealous that Windows Server MVPs get better bribes than Exchange server ones do. -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 13:53 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Am I allowed to apologise then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K You are not allowed to thank Robert per the Decklerheitsgebot Purity Laws of IT Ethics. -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Cheers Robert as I said I just wanted it confirmed ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moir Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K Yes of course it can. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 12:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Dual Processor EXCH2K/SVR2K I would be grateful if anyone would be able to confirm that Exchange 2k is able to utilise dual processor technology on W2k server. Regards David Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG Registered Charity No. 209617 A company limited by guarantee Registered in England Company No. 291646 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only?
Perhaps you should get a refund on your list subscription fees. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 15:48 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Jason Clishe Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? I disagree. I presented a scenario and asked a yes or no question. I supplied enough information for a yes or no answer. I did not ask for assistance with a design or a solution, just a simple question about whether or not Exchange has the capability to do what I asked. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Hobson Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? I think Ed's answer was appropriate given the amount of information you gave out in your first post. Neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Posted At: 22 December 2003 15:22 Posted To: Swynk Exchange (30 days) Conversation: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? The document management suggestion was inappropriate because we have a single document that 2 people have modify rights to and another dozen or so people can read. So deploying a DMS is an expensive solution when the problem boils down to preventing 2 people from modifying one particular file at the same time. Especially if there is an inherent method within Exchange to prevent the problem from happening in the first place, which is really all I wanted to know. Thank you for your answer though. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? The answer was correct. What Ed left out was the No. at the front in answer to your question of whether there is any way to prevent multiple editors of an attachment to a public folder. Did you go look at the 80-20 web site and see what features there product offers? What exactly makes the suggestion of a product which may solve your problem inappropriate? There are also lots of others with different feature sets as Ed alluded. As for little value to the thread, complaining because you didn't get the answer you wanted regardless of the veracity of the answer really has low value. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Jason Clishe Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Deploy a real document management system? Not only does this suggestion not asnwer the question I asked, it is completely inappropriate for my particular situation, and adds little value to this thread. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? Deploy a real document management system, one that has the capability to check out and check in documents. http://www.80-20.com is one that integrates with Exchange. There are many others that may or may not integrate with Exchange. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 2:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? When a user has a Public Folder attachment open, other users can also open the same attachment and make changes. Is there any way to prevent this? For example, to force the document to open as read-only when someone else has it open? Jason _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Sources of outages
Great. And lets never speak of the secret hidden agenda again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Helfer Sent: 17 December 2003 21:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Yeah, I'll meet you down at the crossroads at midnight. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Would you like a free pen, and some notepaper? -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 22:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
So Microsoft are unethical because they accepted payments from you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: 17 December 2003 20:42 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, we pay Microsoft to be a partner and get freebies. As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 17 December 2003 21:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? I'm biased towards my employer and they didn't even give me any initials. What a gyp! Have you spoke to a union about this? Shameful! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
He could move to the UK then. I mean who wouldn't, if they lived in Hawaii? Oh. Wait. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: 17 December 2003 21:31 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I thought Hawaii banned unions? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 17 December 2003 21:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? I'm biased towards my employer and they didn't even give me any initials. What a gyp! Have you spoke to a union about this? Shameful! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
Would you like a free pen, and some notepaper? -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 22:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Priv.edb
*drinks beer* -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 December 2003 16:16 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Priv.edb Damn, I deleted mine and emptied the recycle bin; I have no backups. What should I do now? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Priv.edb Those html files are your .stm files. Leave them be! -Original Message- From: David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Priv.edb Its not a large system and as i say its running SBS 2000. So, i will leave of circular logging then. Its just i've always dealt with 5.5 servers and that's how i had it there. The weird thing is when i check the setup of Exchange 2000 i see that on the C:\exchsrvr\mdbdata\ *.log files Pub1.edb = 16mb (not much usage made of Public folders) Howerver, this is what i find wierd, in the same place i have another pub1 = 14mb and is specified as an html doc?? I see the same for my Priv1.edb database E:\exchsrvr\ priv1.edb = 2.15 GB priv1 = 7.32 GB (shows its an html document) no log files can be seen? Is this right, should i have a 7.32 Gb priv1 html doc sat next to my priv1.edb file anyone shed some light on this? I just inherited the box :( _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Quite so, thanks for the clarification Roger. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 12:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Andy is cheap at half that price. Me, I got a pen and some paper. I feel so paid for. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 13:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Yep. This year for Christmas they gave me the first season of Hello Larry on DVD. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
I'd say that's spam. There is a lot of argument about what exactly spam is, and I would say this falls under the definition I use - unsolicited, commercial, bulk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Well his last statement is crap imo but if all you are interested in is shifting as many smtp messages as possible as quickly as possible then Sendmail probably is a better choice than Exchange. Much like a motorbike is a better choice for driving around motorbike racing courses, compared to a luxury car. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2003 14:20 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SAN
argh
-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2003 20:58
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN
Hey, they use the same letters, so they have to be the same
thing, right?
--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 4:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN
My biggest problem is the amount of jerk-off sellers.
We asked for
i) a san
ii) some direct-attatched external storage
The amount of vendors who took those comments on board, asked
what we wanted them for, and then promptly quoted for a NAS
device was quite depressing. Idiots.
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 19/09/2003 20:52
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN
I'll kindly ask you to get off of my soapbox.
My favorite one I've heard lately: Well, it uses fiber
to attach to the SAN
so it's much faster for Exchange.
-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN
As long as you don't buy into the great white lie of
SAN's, you're golden.
That lie is that there's no performance hit created by
taking a single large
array and carving it into a bunch of LUNs - there's a
physics issue there.
Other than that, its just a bunch of disks, just like
the SCSI attached ones
you probably have now.
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.
-Original Message-
From: Rosales, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange and SAN
Has anyone ran Exchange in a SAN, and were there any issues
with it? I've
always had a raid array attached to it which could be the
same thing but did
not know if there were any major differences? Any help would
be appreciate
it.
Thanks,
Mario
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Have you read the description of how the virus works? -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2003 13:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, but I checked all my servers, they're clean, scanmail is up to date and functionning, why am I getting those emails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] then? Kim -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 22 september 2003 14:30 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't this a sign of either the Mimail or Blaster virus a few weeks ago that it would send email using the [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Kim Schotanus Reply To: Exchange Discussions Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:49:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary=9B095B5ADSN=_01C380E0B0AB7684030Bmorpheus.intas.b X-DSNContext: 335a7efd - 4457 - 0001 - 80040546 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) --9B095B5ADSN=_01C380E0B0AB7684030Bmorpheus.intas.b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unicode-1-1-utf-7 --9B095B5ADSN=_01C380E0B0AB7684030Bmorpheus.intas.b Content-Type: message/delivery-status --9B095B5ADSN=_01C380E0B0AB7684030Bmorpheus.intas.b Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from mail pickup service by morpheus.intas.be with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:49:03 +0200 thread-index: AcOA/4U6leJxzAlUTPW20EQujsqr6w== Thread-Topic: ScanMail Message: To Sender virus found and action taken. From: Administrator Sender: Administrator To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender virus found and action taken. Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:49:03 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2003 11:49:03.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[85593E20:01C380FF] --9B095B5ADSN=_01C380E0B0AB7684030Bmorpheus.intas.b-- Kind regards, Kim Schotanus === Kim Schotanus Information Systems Manager INTAS Avenue des Arts 58 B-1000 Brussels Belgium T. +32 2 549 01 11 F. +32 2 549 01 56 === -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 22 september 2003 14:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mongo check headers. - Original Message - From: Kim Schotanus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:15 AM Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there, I'm getting more and more virusses coming from [EMAIL PROTECTED], we have no address called [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not even as an alias). I cannot trace where the mails are coming from... Any ideas? kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl? enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl? enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl? enter=exchangetext_mode =la ng=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Exchange and SAN
My biggest problem is the amount of jerk-off sellers.
We asked for
i) a san
ii) some direct-attatched external storage
The amount of vendors who took those comments on board, asked what we wanted them for,
and then promptly quoted for a NAS device was quite depressing. Idiots.
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 19/09/2003 20:52
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN
I'll kindly ask you to get off of my soapbox.
My favorite one I've heard lately: Well, it uses fiber to attach to the SAN
so it's much faster for Exchange.
-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN
As long as you don't buy into the great white lie of SAN's, you're golden.
That lie is that there's no performance hit created by taking a single large
array and carving it into a bunch of LUNs - there's a physics issue there.
Other than that, its just a bunch of disks, just like the SCSI attached ones
you probably have now.
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.
-Original Message-
From: Rosales, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange and SAN
Has anyone ran Exchange in a SAN, and were there any issues
with it? I've
always had a raid array attached to it which could be the
same thing but did
not know if there were any major differences? Any help would
be appreciate
it.
Thanks,
Mario
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RE: Brick Level Backup
being 200% better than ArcServe 7 is like being taller than the dwarf from the austin
powers films.
-Original Message-
From: Henry, Christopher M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 19/09/2003 13:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backup
Why is everyone against ARCserve? I have been using ARCserve v. 9.01 to
do brick level backups and I have never have a problem with it. The
largest mailbox that I do a brick level backup on is 729megs and most of
the mailboxes are over 100megs. I have never had a failed job and I have
done successful restores. I would have to say the ARCserve 9.01 is a
solid product it is a 200% improvement over ARCserve 7. The only bad
thing I can say is that it is a little on the expensive side, but I use
it to backup 6 servers and 3 databases.
Chris
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RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
The one about hijacking threads and thinking the world revolves around you? Try googling on Net etiquette or Netiquette. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 15/09/2003 21:43 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a
RE: Brick Level Backup
Isn't the best brick level backup software like try to see the funny side of your
compound leg fracture
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Shimmons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 16/09/2003 14:19
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: Brick Level Backup
Hi all
What is the best brick level backup software for Exchange 2000? I have
gave up on Arcserve as it crashes to many times on critical restores.
Any advice welcome.
Regards
Aaron Shimmons
Network Administrator
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RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
The nearest bar to my house, 30 mins from now. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 16/09/2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Re: Deckler wrote a book?!? Anyone know where MEC is this year? - Original Message - From: Robert Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The one about hijacking threads and thinking the world revolves around you? Try googling on Net etiquette or Netiquette. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 15/09/2003 21:43 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15
RE: Outlook clients can't connect to Exchange 5.5 via Internet
yes. What was the problem again?
-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 09/09/2003 18:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: Re: Outlook clients can't connect to Exchange 5.5 via Internet
I thought the solution was alcohol.
- Original Message -
From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Outlook clients can't connect to Exchange 5.5 via Internet
It sounds like the former.
Anyhow, most ISP's are now blocking port 135. So the solution is VPN or
OWA.
-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook clients can't connect to Exchange 5.5 via Internet
ok let me see if I read you right here..
you have your exchange server 55 open to the internet...SO a user can
directly access it using OL..with NO VPN or other..
just direct???
which means you have 135-139 open to the internet??? (amoung possible
other
ports??)
AND
Now these users can't connect to the exchange server with their OL?
OR
do you mean you are on some type of WAN, VPN ..etc
bill
-Original Message-
From: Israel Carr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook clients can't connect to Exchange 5.5 via Internet
I have some remote users who are unable to connect to Exchange via the
internet. They can ping the Exchange server via hostname or IP address.
Existing users seem to be ok but new users can't seem to connect.
Thanks for any ideas.
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RE: Delivery to Alternate MX Records
The people you have spoken to are crack smoking maniacs, not an ISP support team. 4xx is a temporary error. This is an invitation to try again later. This is what you have. 5.xx would be a fatal error; give up sending email bub it ain't going to happen. You'd see this if they'd deleted the mail accounts, blocked you from sending, whatever. To the best of my knowledge the only time that exchange or any other mail system should look for the next MX record is if it fails to connect to the first one. Not if it connects just fine and then gets told to try again later or sod off. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 09/09/2003 00:28 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Delivery to Alternate MX Records Hi All, I'm a bit puzzled by something and I'm hoping that someone can help out. There's a particular domain, seanet.com, that we can't send messages to at the moment. Any message sent to this domain hangs in the IMC queue with the error, 452 4.3.0 Cannot write message to disk. According to this ISP's support group they've recently reconfigured their main mail server so it can no longer receive messages from the outside world, and I assume that the error we're seeing is a result of this reconfiguration. They further claim that our server should try to deliver messages to their second or third mail server, something it definitely isn't doing. So here are my questions. Should an Exchange server (5.5, by the way) try the next MX record after getting a 452 from the primary server, and are there any settings in Exchange that affect this behavior? As an additional philosophical question, does it strike anyone else as strange that they should deliberately put an essentially malfunctioning server at the address of their first MX record in the name of spam fighting and security? -Peter __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED])j¹%Ë\¢oâùr®+)éíz·±r§ë^ÆuéZ§X¬ :.±Êâm[hæ¯yì\ ©àz[,Ã)ärÅÈZËZvh§+-iÌ2G(
RE: Delivery to Alternate MX Records
Not to mention too many places spend mucho lucre on protecting their main MX from spam
and viruses and suchlike, then nominate a completely unfiltered secondary at their ISP
which of course doesn't have all their carefully crafted filters on it.
-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 09/09/2003 13:16
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Delivery to Alternate MX Records
Not only are they breaking their email, they are doing it for naught. Spammers
often PREFER to use a target's second or third MX host. That way, their deluge doesn't
have to compete with every one else's traffic.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Delivery to Alternate MX Records
The people you have spoken to are crack smoking maniacs, not an ISP support
team. 4xx is a temporary error. This is an invitation to try again later. This is what
you have.
5.xx would be a fatal error; give up sending email bub it ain't going to
happen. You'd see this if they'd deleted the mail accounts, blocked you from sending,
whatever.
To the best of my knowledge the only time that exchange or any other mail
system should look for the next MX record is if it fails to connect to the first
one. Not if it connects just fine and then gets told to try again later or sod off.
-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 09/09/2003 00:28
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: Delivery to Alternate MX Records
Hi All,
I'm a bit puzzled by something and I'm hoping that someone can help
out. There's a particular domain, seanet.com, that we can't send messages to at the
moment. Any message sent to this domain hangs in the IMC queue with the error, 452
4.3.0 Cannot write message to disk. According to this ISP's support group they've
recently reconfigured their main mail server so it can no longer receive messages from
the outside world, and I assume that the error we're seeing is a result of this
reconfiguration. They further claim that our server should try to deliver messages to
their second or third mail server, something it definitely isn't doing.
So here are my questions. Should an Exchange server (5.5, by the way)
try the next MX record after getting a 452 from the primary server, and are there any
settings in Exchange that affect this behavior? As an additional philosophical
question, does it strike anyone else as strange that they should deliberately put an
essentially malfunctioning server at the address of their first MX record in the name
of spam fighting and security?
-Peter
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RE: OT - Shavlik HFNetchkPro, anyone use it?
Why does the idea of a security product that does stuff without telling you what worry me? I've been using GFI languard. I like it but don't have a big baseline of similar things to compare it with. -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 08/09/2003 17:51 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Re: OT - Shavlik HFNetchkPro, anyone use it? I did notice it to be a little laggy sometimes, I get the impression it is doing stuff, it's just not overly informative in telling you what it's doing. [EMAIL PROTECTED])j¹%Ë\¢oâùr®+)éíz·±r§ë^ÆuéZ§X¬ :.±Êâm[hæ¯yì\ ©àz[,Ã)ärÅÈZËZvh§+-iÌ2G(
RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
Yep this is what I suggested yesterday. I believe it won't deny them all access to the
exchange server, just via the SMTP server, so they will still be able to use outlook
in a client/server config.
-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 September 2003 12:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
You could, if you wish to make this persons life miserable,
simply put the IP address for his/her Mdaemon server in the
deny access to the E2K SMTP Virtual Server. Then they
will/should get no access to the E2K server.
Nate Couch
EDS Messaging
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Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2003 12:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
So the conclusion is that any LAN user can use my server as
gateway, I
have send mail server as well but to use e2k as a gateway I have to
add the IP address for relay through my e2k server. Why Mdeamon is
bypassing this security?
Guys, don't worry I have to kill him ;)
Irf.
-Original Message-
From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:38 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
That's absolutely right - to quote the Great Ed...
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioural
problems
A length of 2x4 is hardly technological, and supremely satisfying
wielded in the hands of a frustrated IT admin. Win - Win!
themolk.
-Original Message-
From: Michael L. Callahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
In all seriousness, this is a policy issue. If you don't have an
acceptable use policy for your internal network and applications,
then get one, get sign off by management, publish it and
enforce it.
If you have one and it doesn't cover this, amend it so
that it will.
As someone wise on this list has mentioned, technology is
not a cure
for bad behavior. A 2x4, however, is.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Moir
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
I can see a recurring theme in all our replies...
-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 01/09/2003 19:44
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
Grab a baseball bat and pay the user a visit.
-Original Message-
From: Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:27 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Mdeamon on my Network!
Subject: Mdeamon on my Network!
Hello there, I have E2k and W2k environment, what I
have seen
today is
that one of our user installed Mdeamon mail server
used my
E2k as a
gateway to send mails to internals users with a different
domain name.
How can I restrict this kind of activity?
Hope you gurus out there can have some idea on this.
Regards,
Irf.
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RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
That or refuse SMTP connections from their IP address. Or better still do that and THEN kill the user. Seriously, this is a behavioural problem is it not? Isn't this a matter for whatever passes for a discipline process at 'ubl.com.pk'? -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 September 2003 15:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network! Kill the user. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Exchange List Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Hello there, I have E2k and W2k environment, what I have seen today is that one of our user installed Mdeamon mail server used my E2k as a gateway to send mails to internals users with a different domain name. How can I restrict this kind of activity? Hope you gurus out there can have some idea on this. Regards, Irf. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I can see a recurring theme in all our replies...
-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 01/09/2003 19:44
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
Grab a baseball bat and pay the user a visit.
-Original Message-
From: Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:27 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Mdeamon on my Network!
Subject: Mdeamon on my Network!
Hello there, I have E2k and W2k environment, what I have seen today is
that one of our user installed Mdeamon mail server used my E2k as a
gateway to send mails to internals users with a different domain name.
How can I restrict this kind of activity?
Hope you gurus out there can have some idea on this.
Regards,
Irf.
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RE: Owa Not displaying mails with . in the end
That always catches me out when I set up and then lock down a new front end server. Always good for a chuckle that one. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2003 15:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Owa Not displaying mails with . in the end Sounds like you have applied the IIS Lockdown Wizard . . http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;309677 - Original Message - From: Mats Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Owa Not displaying mails with . in the end We have several customers running Exchange server 2000 (SP4) and using the OWA. I got some reports that some e-mails was not displayed in the OWA but looked fine in Outlook. I proceeded to investigate and I found that emails that have a subject line ending with . or .. are not displayed in the OWA HTTP 404 - File not found Anybody seen this issue or have a fix for it ? Regards Mats Eriksson _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues
That's why we suggest a VPN. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2003 23:20 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Outlook to Exchange over VPN issues FYI, I've seen instances where it was required to open up port TCP 135 in order to get the Outlook client to work. The problem is the new msblaster virus; it uses port 135. Dave _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Well you certainly are persuasive. *plonk* -Original Message- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. What an asshole Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)** -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Bite me. If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I thought it was corrupt, would you? I certainly won't. John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out answer. You, however, seem to have no clue. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. He did seem a bit defensive didn't he? Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)** -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your message databases. -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the database. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to make that assumption? I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind that point to any database errors. The problem has not re-occurred since removing the AV software. Like I said before, I did not have the file-level AV scanning the databases. If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it up with the reasons why. Not just saying you think I have database corruption. Tell me why you think I have corruption. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Ben: Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought about running maintenance on the server? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server a couple of times. I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since. And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based scanners. Now, we are only running 2. SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels. _ bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental
RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I try to lead by example. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2003 15:31 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. And so it begins... At least Robert spelled *plonk* correctly... G -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Well you certainly are persuasive. *plonk* -Original Message- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. What an asshole Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)** -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Bite me. If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I thought it was corrupt, would you? I certainly won't. John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out answer. You, however, seem to have no clue. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. He did seem a bit defensive didn't he? Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)** -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your message databases. -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the database. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to make that assumption? I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind that point to any database errors. The problem has not re-occurred since removing the AV software. Like I said before, I did not have the file-level AV scanning the databases. If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it up with the reasons why. Not just saying you think I have database corruption. Tell me why you think I have corruption. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Ben: Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought about running maintenance on the server? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server a couple of times. I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since. And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based scanners. Now, we are only running 2. SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3
RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Its probably worth noting that installing the same scanner in 3 places is not 3 layers of protection, its the same layer of protection 3 times. Not quite the same thing. If your vendor's scanner engine has a problem picking up a certain type of malware, or their dat files are slow in coming, you haven't done much for yourself by having their product installed in 3 different places. It doesn't matter how many metal detectors I walk through in an airport if the item i'm smuggling onto the plane is non-metallic. And no software is perfect including antivirus software, so *all* scanners, even the ones we all regard as best of breed, will at some time have a problem spotting a new kind of malware stealth method, or the scanner's updates will be a bit slow one arriving one day. Regards Rob -Original Message- From: Earle, Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 21/08/2003 13:32 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. This company has three levels of protection, it didn't stop Sobig getting in, but it has stopped it getting back out again! -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2003 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels. _ bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Kier Group on +44 (0) 1767 640 111 This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED])j¹%Ë\¢oâùr®+)éíz·±r§ë^ÆuéZ§X¬ :.±Êâm[hæ¯yì\ ©àz[,Ã)ärÅÈZËZvh§+-iÌ2G(
RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=booksfield-ke ywords=Exchange%202000%20serversearch-type=ssbq=1/103-9450502-5588605 Buy some. Read the ones you buy. Two best Exchange support resources you will ever need Http://support.microsoft.com Http://www.google.com We're all pleased to help with difficult questions and all but please be considerate of the time of those people who choose to answer questions in places like this by trying to do some research of your own... -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 14:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Why is it there though? Will services run without it? Why would M:icrosoft put that there? Thanks Sam -Original Message- From: PF: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Are you being funny? There is definitely a M: drive! What is that He's saying IGNORE the M: drive. Don't use it for anything. Don't virus scan it! Don't back it up! -kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: No servers in Exchange System Manager
marvin the martian
Wheres the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!
/marvin the martian
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 18/08/2003 20:47
To: Exchange Discussions
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Subject: RE: No servers in Exchange System Manager
Don't pull this switch. I wonder what will happen if I pull the switch.
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Subject: RE: No servers in Exchange System Manager
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:45:49 -0500
Maybe 'setup.exe /disasterrecovery'
-Original Message-
From: Adam Berns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: No servers in Exchange System Manager
So, I have been tinkering with e2k, and I deleted the server from the
list
of servers. What I can't figure out is how to re-add them. I did a
re-install, and got a bunch of errors, and I can not service pack it, I
get the following error: You can use this ediction of Microsoft Exchange
2000 Service Pack Update to update existing cersions of Exchange 2000.
The problem is, that there are no serivces installed. I did run
forestprep and then domainprep before installing. Any ideas?
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RE: Exchange Services
Without wanting to insult you or anything, you do realise that domain admin and
exchange admin have nothing to do with each other generally speaking? If you've
changed things so this isn't the case here fine, but the two don't go together as a
matter of course.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 13/08/2003 18:18
To: Exchange Discussions
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Subject: RE: Exchange Services
That is correct Ed. It is the Domain admin account.
The account you're using to run the backup has administrative rights on the
server?
Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Force
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange Services
I just setup a new Exchange 5.5/4 server on Windows 2000. (I'm in the
process of using Ed's move server method). I installed the new server in
the same org/site with a different name and I moved all my users mailboxes
over. Everything seems to be working as planned until I try to backup the
IS.
I use Backup Exec (9.0) and it was failing with access denied to database
information store. Made sure all the permissions were correct and they are
so I then tried to use plain old NTBackup, whick it too failed with the
following Event ID:
Event Source: NTBackup
Event ID: 8010
Description: Microsoft Exchange services returned 'Access is denied. 'from a
call to 'BackupOpen()' additional data
'\\Servername\E$\exchsrvr\DSADATA\\edb4.log'
Any thoughts or suggestions? Could I have hosed the store during the move?
(I used Exchange Server Admin to move the mailboxes). Veritas suggested
running eseutil and isinteg to check the integrity of the IS.
Thanks in advance, Scott.
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RE: pipe dream or possible
Well if it just started in the past few days I'd guess you were having trouble with a machine or two running that nice friendly RPC-exploit exploiting worm. No real reason other than half the world seems to be having problems with it. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2003 13:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: pipe dream or possible Does anyone have a clue how it is possible that our network is having severe ups and downs in connectivity. Connections to the AD and exchange are very unstable, we have the latest AV updates (trend), switches are ok, etc... Any clues? Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: pipe dream or possible
None the less, I know where my bet is just because you are reporting the sudden onset of symptoms very typical to this problem. You don't have any machines that pass through the firewall (exchange front end outside the firewall for example?) or laptops who travel with bosses or sales peoples and as such have a slightly spotty patch record? Or worse still, the know it all who plugs in their personal laptop without telling you they are doing it. You only need one infected machine on a network to cause disruption from what I've seen. Can you guarantee that every single machine on your network is patched up to date and virus defs up to date and there is no way one could slip through the net. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2003 15:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: pipe dream or possible I do have a firewall (with port 135 closed) and update 606 of Trend doesn't find any viruses on the entire network (scanmail, serverprotect and officescan) Kim -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 16:20 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: pipe dream or possible But I have a firewall! :) -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: pipe dream or possible Well if it just started in the past few days I'd guess you were having trouble with a machine or two running that nice friendly RPC-exploit exploiting worm. No real reason other than half the world seems to be having problems with it. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2003 13:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: pipe dream or possible Does anyone have a clue how it is possible that our network is having severe ups and downs in connectivity. Connections to the AD and exchange are very unstable, we have the latest AV updates (trend), switches are ok, etc... Any clues? Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging.
Well I work at an educational institution myself which may be bigger or smaller than yours, I don't know and I don't think it matters. We dealt with the problem by upgrading to Exchange 2000. Exchange 5.5 is what, six years old now, and hasn't seen a lot of new development work since Exchange 2000 (itself 3 years old) was released. -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 13/06/2003 17:58 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. I agree with Ed myself, and it happens that way here as we are a educational institution and students come first. But its the idea that this has affected all of the campus's not just one group and I know I'm going to hear about it Monday( its the summer and allot of Professor's are on break). So I just tell them to suck it up and live with it, that this is the way it was designed. And they are going to ask me well how do other institution's bigger than our self handle this and I say they just suck it up...ya right... john -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. I don't want to speak for Ed but I understand him to say that normally, servers shouldn't be disappearing during the times when user access them. If you must do maintenance on them such that the machines must be shut down, you should do so during off hours or during a negotiated maintenance period during which the users understand that services won't be available. -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions I didn't say routinely, and I don't, but we've had to so they can upgrade the power at one of the campus's. So what your telling me that is at PacBell (where I'm assuming you work)when one of the exchange servers go offline for what ever reason then users who are using owa just have to wait till it comes backup. john -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. I just gave you two. Frankly, you shouldn't be taking Exchange servers offline routinely. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Strongosky Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. Thanks for the reply Ed, so this is how you handle the situation. There has to be a work around...or am I being to hopeful.. Does anybody know why this is by design? It does not make sense to me. john -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. You could (1) not take servers offline, and/or (2) upgrade to Exchange 2000 or 2003. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Strongosky Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. We have 9 exchange 5.5 sp4 nt4 6a servers and 1 exchange server 5.5 sp4 nt 6a running owa and every time we have to take one server offline owa hangs for us. How are you all handling this? Below is the technet article that I found that says this is by design. I don't believe it... john San Diego Community College Email Administrator PSS ID Number: 263890 Article
RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging.
As Ken suggests, when MS say it is by design, I don't think that means they are pleased with it and are trying to claim its a good thing and that if only you'd just shut up and drink the kool-aid you would think so too. Instead, I think they are trying to re-assure you that if you have this problem that its a limitation of the product that they are aware of, not something you are doing wrong in your implementation or use of it. On my old 5.5 OWA deployment, users went to a splash screen homepage to our OWA system where they could read our email AUP, click a basic link on help with OWA, system requirements, etc. It strikes me that you could maybe do the same thing, and when you have the system down for maintenance you can replace the normal login page with a sorry, we done broke the network, try again later page. Rob -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 13/06/2003 21:07 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. Robert, thanks for the input, we are in the 1st phase of our 2k migration project. Its just seems somehow bizarre that Microsoft designed it this way. I guess I didn't make myself understood when I asked this question. So, thru a notification email or some other means of notifying your users they know that if one of you exchange servers went down that all of the remote users were in effect blocked from using email till the server came back up. john -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. Well I work at an educational institution myself which may be bigger or smaller than yours, I don't know and I don't think it matters. We dealt with the problem by upgrading to Exchange 2000. Exchange 5.5 is what, six years old now, and hasn't seen a lot of new development work since Exchange 2000 (itself 3 years old) was released. -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 13/06/2003 17:58 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. I agree with Ed myself, and it happens that way here as we are a educational institution and students come first. But its the idea that this has affected all of the campus's not just one group and I know I'm going to hear about it Monday( its the summer and allot of Professor's are on break). So I just tell them to suck it up and live with it, that this is the way it was designed. And they are going to ask me well how do other institution's bigger than our self handle this and I say they just suck it up...ya right... john -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: How do You guys/gals handle this: OWA Hanging. I don't want to speak for Ed but I understand him to say that normally, servers shouldn't be disappearing during the times when user access them. If you must do maintenance on them such that the machines must be shut down, you should do so during off hours or during a negotiated maintenance period during which the users understand that services won't be available. -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions I didn't say routinely, and I don't, but we've had to so they can upgrade the power at one of the campus's. So what your telling me that is at PacBell (where I'm assuming you work)when one of the exchange servers go offline for what ever reason then users who are using owa just have to wait till it comes backup. john
RE: Strange Question
Really? I'd just delete their account from the network if it was internal email, or I'd block their whole domain if it was external. We have rules here against that kind of abuse. -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 June 2003 16:32 To: Exchange Discussions There may be something like this, but I will tell you this. If someone did that to me I would just set up a rule to permanently delete all of their messages. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Avi Smith-Rapaport Reply To: Exchange Discussions Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:Strange Question My boss asked me this morning. Is there any type of program or something that if you send someone an email, it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes until they respond to you? He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion about the behavoral issues etc. Avi We run exchange 2k and outlook client _ Avi Smith-Rapaport / MIS Director Star Supply Co. 1040 State Street * New Haven, CT 06511 Voice: 203.772.2240 * Fax: 203.865.7827 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =la ng=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2
-Original Message- From: Mark Rotman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 June 2003 14:28 To: Exchange Discussions Well, I don't have 100Mb/S to my house (assuming you are talking about MAPI/HTTP, however it is a very cool feature and 225MB is not a huge mailbox. So, yes the whole 225MB is brought down, and depending on your new-mail traffic (ie. how many of these lists you are on) you may see some initial sync delays each startup. But of course if you are working from home with O2002 using an OST you still have this problem when sync-ing a large mailbox for the first time, and so on, so its not like its going to get worse. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College print chr(66) chr(79) chr(70) chr(72) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Searching User Mailboxes
I get that a lot too -Original Message- From: Van Hooser, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 12/06/2003 16:40 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes Yes a duck is pecking my eye out! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Searching User Mailboxes Do you have something in your eye? - Original Message - From: Van Hooser, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes Chuck Wagon! I know wrong thread but until someone nominates me to the proper place this is all I've got. ;-) -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes You have to be THIS tall to ride the... Oh, wait - wrong thread :) -Original Message- From: Van Hooser, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions But does it come with Scharff in box? Chuck -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes Check out both Sherpa Software and KVS. For companies for which potential litigation is a problem and extended retention policies make more sense than trying to restore x hundred tapes for compliance, I think KVS is probably a better long term solution. Sherpa is probably better for companies with shorter retention policies (generally) IMO. OT: Congrats on the fastest drag time. :) -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:25 AM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Searching User Mailboxes Subject: Searching User Mailboxes Does anyone know of a product that will crawl and index mailboxes on Exchange 5.5? I know Sharepoint and Index Server will do Public Folders, but I haven't heard of anything that will do mailboxes. Mainly, I am thinking, as there is no account that has permissions on all mailboxes by default . . . We are being subpoena for all emails from X years past dealing with X subject . . . Anyone know of one? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Virus Notifications to Sender?
Isn't this all just another re-hash of the line in the SMTP rfc about being liberal about what you accept but strict about what you send? -Original Message- From: Mark Rotman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 10/06/2003 21:12 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? Here, Here! I totally agree. Even when I created Anti-Virus software the Default for Sender Notification is always OFF: 1. It is very possible that the message is not from the sender as the sender address is often faked by a virus 2. It could be a warning or false positive, for example password encrypted ZIPs that cannot be scanned 3. It could turn out to be internal and you would be announcing something that you would like to deal with intra-company to your business contacts Mark -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? If our user is the sender then all the e-mails will still have the wrong Sender address, we'd still be sending notifications to a bunch of people that didn't send any viruses, and it's still a bad idea. In fact it's a worse idea for internal infections because then everyone would get bombarded with both viruses and virus warnings. In our case, I do get notified when viruses are blocked, and the notifications contain the complete headers of the blocked messages, so we can keep an eye on things and act accordingly. -Peter -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? Here's the problem with not performing sender notifications: What if your user is the sender? Don't say it doesn't happen. It does, and sometimes that's the best way for you to know it happened. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Dan Bartley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? We don't send sender notifications. It is bad Netiquette in the current Trojan environment. It is bad for email lists, it is bad for IT departments and it is bad for individual users. However, we do look at the recipient and administrative notifications. If it is klez, sobig, etc. we pretty much ignore it. If it is something else we look at the headers and see if we can trace it. If we can, we send a notification. A little extra work for us, but we are not causing extra work for others by doing it this way. That is where the above bad Netiquette comment comes from. Best Regards, Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:56 To: Exchange Discussions A simple change in the notification could solve this problem. You could say your system might possibly be infected with a virus or something along those line. But the problem of spoofing your trying to get across is more of a problem with e-mail in general then with anti-virus software. What going to happen when p*rn spammers start sending messages to users as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harmer, Michael Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? Ah, but Don't send me viruses and I won't send you those notifications in the first place. is the flaw. They did not send you the virus. They mearly were member of some distribution list, had their e-mail on a web site, or corrisponded with the person that was actually infected. Unfortunatly, in your desire to 'assist' those that have no technical ability(A noble cause), you send many messages to people who have done you no wrong. 99 out of 100 times your sending someone a message that indicates that
RE: Why would I want to go to Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003
-Original Message- From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2003 15:52 To: Exchange Discussions Good morning, Surely you are laughing by now. But my management team wants to know why I want to spend all of this money for Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003. I mean we are currently on Outlook 98 and Exchange 5.5. How do I justify the expense and get it in the budget for 2004. Help!!! What would these do that your current system doesn't do (easy enough to figure out) that you will need / want to do in future (not so easy)? How important is continued support from Microsoft to you? Do you have a lot of road warriors or people on remote sites with relatively slow links? Are you running Windows 2000 or 2003 active directory? If so then it makes good sense not to have to maintain 2 user directories and upgrading to a newer version of exchange would enable this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EDB Size ?
I thought he nailed the answer pretty well: White Space and the reported mailbox sizes
are often inaccurate.If thats not it you'll prolly need to give us a bit more info.
Have you recently made a big change to the load on the server, e.g. deleted a lot of
mailboxes?
-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 09/06/2003 19:49
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: EDB Size ?
Oh I know the show the only problem was your answer was wrong. Didn't
you see the part about Thanks for playing?
Alex
-Original Message-
From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Sorry. That part was a joke; I'd assumed you'd seen this game show
called Jeopardy and would understand that I was informing you what
topic I'd chosen for the NEXT question, having answered the current
question correctly.
The former part was my answer to your question.
-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:12 PM
Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
Conversation: EDB Size ?
Subject: RE: EDB Size ?
No it's not open relays because SMTP mail doesn't get stored in the
priv.edb but thanks for playing. Besides we have an SMTP server for
that.
Alex
-Original Message-
From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
What are white space, and inherent and well-documented inaccuracies in
reported mailbox sizes, Alex?
I'll take Sino-Korean Open Relays for $500, Alex.
-tom
-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:50 PM
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Conversation: EDB Size ?
Subject: EDB Size ?
Does anyone know why our edb size would be 50GB but when you export all
of the users and their mailbox sizes to an Excel spreadsheet and add all
the sizes of the mailboxes I only get 16GB? We are EX2000 SP3.
Alex
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RE: Sending emails that can not be altered
-Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 June 2003 14:39 To: Exchange Discussions Due to Martha's problems with altering emails. Someone here asked if there is a way to send and email so that the content can not be altered by the recipient andf then forwarded on Not at all. If worse comes to pass a malicious person could copy the email out longhand from one window to another, format it to make it look forwarded (yes the headers wouldn't be quite right but who amoung your user community looks at those?) and send it on. Sure it wouldn't be the original email but the damage would be done because I presume what you really want to protect is the content of these emails, not the random collection of bits and bytes that were scraped together to take the content out of the author's mind and put it on screen. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College print chr(66) chr(79) chr(70) chr(72) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Global Catalog and EX2K
*sigh* 2 minutes searching the microsoft website. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;272290 -Original Message- From: Pham, Tuan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 June 2003 16:11 To: Exchange Discussions Is it true that OL2K can't redirect to the new GC once the current one assigned by DSAccess is unavailable? I heard that you have to restart OL in order to map the available one. If that the case then it's a big dis-advantage to the clients, because what if I took down the one of the GC then all clients have to restart their OL. Can someone confirm this for me please? Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Real world experience
I don't think its a case of Fixing anything as much as Exchange server being a
scenario where clustering generally offers a very poor return on the investment in
time and money you spend setting one up and tweaking it. Quite a lot of errors I've
seen with exchange relate to people doing stupid things and also to databases becoming
corrupted. Neither problem is especially solvable with clustering.
This is true of clustering no matter what platform you are clustering on and what
process you are trying to support with your cluster. Some things take to it like a
duck to beer, other applications are downright hostile to clustering environments, and
still more others don't give you much benefit from clustering one way or another
because they require a lot of tuning to run on a cluster and that app's major weakness
isn't something that is solved by a cluster.
Regards
Rob Moir
-Original Message-
From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 05/06/2003 17:38
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Real world experience
You mean you don't believe MS has fixed this in Exchange2K3 ? :) Thanks
-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:12
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Real world experience
Friends don't let friends cluster Exchange...
(Am I sounding a little repetitive here? I seem to say that alot)
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From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I will spare the gory 'political' details as we are in the midst of trying
to consolidate 35 '5.5' Exchange servers in 35 domains to as little servers
as possible. We're looking at an Exchange 2K3 rollout and probably a hybrid
AD using MS's meta directory (maybe). The real question is I am looking for
real world experience with something similar to what we are going to from a
Exchange 2K shop. Essentially we'll be looking at 5,000 users (.5 GB per
mailbox) to start with another 5,000 in phase 2 and 5,000 more in phase 3.
With a new 2K3 AD, we'll probably consider at least 2 DC's and one dedicated
server for OWA. The main mail servers and storage is really the number
cruncher. It's looking like a 3 server cluster and external storage (AV also
has to be factored). All client stations will be on at least 10 if not 100
switched lines, GB speed on the WAN backbone. I have gone to Dell and other
places to run the traditional load 'configuration wizard' and I have always
preferred to error on the side of you can never have too much power. I
would like to hear from people using SAN's or the like to account for TB
size storage and backup. How close was the configuration load wizards to
what you really required. Thanks
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RE: Real world experience
You could present the various exact scenarios you hoped clustering exchange would help with and let the group kick around a discussion over if it would actually help and by how much. -Original Message- From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 05/06/2003 22:45 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Real world experience Ok thanks, seems like the ideology of bringing servers online as mailbox's increase. I haven't heard any other alternative. -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 15:34 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Real world experience Just left an HP session at TechEd. Although there were obviously vendor-specified disclaimers, the speaker's verdict was pretty simple -- Clustering just isn't meant for Exchange. Like asking a car manufacturer to fix that whole smashing-when-you-drive-your-car-into-a-brick-wall sorta thing. It's not broke. It's just not smart. stemy -Original Message- From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:38 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Real world experience Subject: RE: Real world experience You mean you don't believe MS has fixed this in Exchange2K3 ? :) Thanks -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:12 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Real world experience Friends don't let friends cluster Exchange... (Am I sounding a little repetitive here? I seem to say that alot) -Original Message- From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions I will spare the gory 'political' details as we are in the midst of trying to consolidate 35 '5.5' Exchange servers in 35 domains to as little servers as possible. We're looking at an Exchange 2K3 rollout and probably a hybrid AD using MS's meta directory (maybe). The real question is I am looking for real world experience with something similar to what we are going to from a Exchange 2K shop. Essentially we'll be looking at 5,000 users (.5 GB per mailbox) to start with another 5,000 in phase 2 and 5,000 more in phase 3. With a new 2K3 AD, we'll probably consider at least 2 DC's and one dedicated server for OWA. The main mail servers and storage is really the number cruncher. It's looking like a 3 server cluster and external storage (AV also has to be factored). All client stations will be on at least 10 if not 100 switched lines, GB speed on the WAN backbone. I have gone to Dell and other places to run the traditional load 'configuration wizard' and I have always preferred to error on the side of you can never have too much power. I would like to hear from people using SAN's or the like to account for TB size storage and backup. How close was the configuration load wizards to what you really required. Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Recovery Help. Request made from a new Exchange Admin.
We're here to help, but a lot of people on this list do tease people a little - don't take it personally. And most of us do expect people to make some kind of effort to figure things out themselves and read the help guides, etc, before expecting us to help. It's one thing to be stuck on a problem and need help and it's another to expect people on the list to do our job for us because I'm busy or Asking the list is quicker. Your time is a valuable resource; everyone else's is, too. Welcome to the list. Regards Rob Moir Microsoft MVP -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2003 16:16 To: Exchange Discussions Nobody in their right minds would take an Exchange server or be a Exchange Admin.I too inherited the $#%^ thing and depend on help from people with more experience. So please, no crappy commentsjust help if you can. Thanks. Newbie too! -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recovery Help. Request made from a new Exchange Admin. You took a job as an Exchange Admin and don't know how to build a basic DR environment? stemy -Original Message- From: labigdawrg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:28 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Recovery Help. Request made from a new Exchange Admin. Subject: Recovery Help. Request made from a new Exchange Admin. Hello All: Second day on the job as the new Exchange Admin and I need help! My employer has a two yr old backup tape of Exchange data. The Co. was using Arc-Serve 6.5. We are now using Veritas but found a version of Arc-Serve and believe we have recovered the data. Now, I need to place the data onto an Exchange Server so I can XMerge the necessary mailboxes into .pst files. Is there a way I can move the priv.edb and pub.edb files to my bridgehead or other mail servers and XMerge the needed data that is being requested for legal reasons nonetheless? Or, do I need to build a new Exchange Server? Any detailed information is much appreciated. Thank you. LABD _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi- bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi- bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Suggested reading for Exchange 5.5?
Hey I'm helpful. On tuesdays. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 04/06/2003 17:57 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Suggested reading for Exchange 5.5? Actually, with the exception of this week, in which most of us (myself excluded) are at Tech-MEC, this is the largest collection of MVP's helping Exchange users around. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Sabo, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Suggested reading for Exchange 5.5? Try the MS Newsgroup usually an MVP or MS will response to your questions within in 24 hours period. As for reading try the MS web site. -Original Message- From: labigdawrg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Suggested reading for Exchange 5.5? Hello All: I am familiar with Exchange but now that I have been given all responsibilities pertaining to Exchange I am looking for good reading material. Any suggested material? Thank you. LABD _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED])j¹%Ë\¢oâùr®+)éíz·±r§ë^ÆuéZ§X¬ :.±Êâm[hæ¯yì\ ©àz[,Ã)ärÅÈZËZvh§+-iÌ2G(
RE: Backing up the M Drive
-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 02/06/2003 18:17
To: Exchange Discussions
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Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive
Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad
idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont
recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then!
I don't use exchange agents myself. The thing to ask yourself is what
_exactly_ is the problem with the current backup scenario. Is it the software - in
which case would new software improve it? Or is it the method (e.g. I would count
doing brick level backups as a faulty method myself) and therefore whatever software
you use to discharge this backup method, you'll still have problems.
So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow
me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention
(I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario
would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full
restore in this case.
The next point I would make is forget about 'files' unless we're referring to
disaster recovery of your information store itself because exchange server is a
database system. I'm not merely trying to argue semantics here, I honestly believe a
lot of stuff becomes clearer when you start thinking about these things in the
correct way.
You set retention on two things - the whole mailbox (which covers your point
below within the retention point you set for the mailbox) and also on items within the
mailbox such as individual mail messages, calendar entries, contacts (Which covers
you for users who ring up and say I just deleted a very important message and then
emptied my recycle bin, can you get it back for me? which is a good thing when its
the CEO).
Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox
from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess
the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby.
I would suggest the mailbox retention for this. Also, if you consider it
important to archive a particular mailbox then you could consider using exmerge to
extract that mailbox into a PST file which you can then burn to CD and archive for as
long as you need it.
I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and
cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk
space in my servers ;)
Spend less money and get a better backup? Its entirely possible with a copy of
the free NTBackup and a long careful read of the disaster recovery whitepapers on
the microsoft website.
Oh. And please stay off the M Drive. It's called M as that is short for
Mangle which is what tends to happen to your exchange system if you play with this
drive. You know how sometimes people get a good idea and it looks really good on paper
and doesn't cause anyone's house to burn down during the beta so they try it out on
one version of a product, and discover problems, and its either gone or well hidden in
the next version?
Hope that helps
Rob Moir, MS MVP
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RE: SpamBelt
-Original Message- From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2003 21:08 To: Exchange Discussions Why would a company who sends me so much SPAM sell a product called SpamSucks!? Especially spam trying to sell me a product called SpamSucks! And sent with a throw-away account at juno.com as a reply-to address, yet sent through a spamming firm's (roving.com) servers... yeesh. How many more alarms need to go off here before people realize how egregiously these people commit the crime they're purported to guard against??? Just trying to help a struggling business gain exposure to their target audience... We now return you to your regularly scheduled technical discussion. I'll be over there adding sunbelt.com to my smtp gateway filters if you need me. Not that it'll help me since they obfuscate the injection point of their spam. Assuming spambelt's target audience is the /dev/nul device on my SMTP gateway I am pleased to report they have 100% market penetration and a good rapport with their recipients and have done so for a couple of years now. Of course if they think they are actually sending that drivel to real live actual people here then I guess suddenly things don't look quite so rosy. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possible hardware issue?
If its a backbone switch hopefully its new enough and had enough money spent on it
that it is also a managed switch. If you telnet / web-browse into it and check the
error logging and suchlike on the port the bad exchange server is on, is the switch
whining about anything on that port?
Are the port settings the exact same as they are for servers which are behaving?
Nobody plugged a traffic sniffer into another port and mirrored it to the bad
exchange server's port?
If the switch and server NIC are set to auto negociate speed and duplex settings, what
happens if you set them manually? (If the connection is 100mb rather than 1ghz, try
setting to a nice conservative fixed 100mb and half-duplex).
Now what about the switch(es) serving the clients. Not all the same switch by any
chance? Or same remote cabinet and sharing the same backbone link back to the server
room? What happens if you lock a bad workstation and it's switch port down to
100mb-half duplex instead of auto negociate?
hth
Rob
-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 26/03/2003 20:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: Possible hardware issue?
We have sort of a weird issue going on here and I am wondering if anyone
else has seen this. We have an EX2000 server that runs smooth for some
users and poorly for others. All the clients are different ranging from
97-2002 so I have taken the client out of the picture. We have changed
NICs and the PCI slots on the motherboard and we are still getting the
same issues. I performed a ping to it from a workstation that is
getting good response with 64k of data and I get clean responses at
about 12ms. When I perform the same ping from another workstation that
is having difficulties I get a lot of time outs and when I do get
responses they are more like 120ms. We have changed the cable, the
switch that it goes to, and even plugged a laptop into the same switch
and we are getting the same response. The switch that it plugs into is
the backbone switch directly. If we move people to another exchange
server everything works fine. Has anyone ever seen something like this
and if so what did you do? There are also some master browser errors
(event 8003) in the event log that talk about UDP but I haven't been
able to make anything of them either. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Alex
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RE: OOO to internet, still bad?
No-one has every hacked my employer's website either. I think this demonstrates patching the web server is a waste of time, so I shall stop doing that. Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. -Original Message- From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 17:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOO to internet, still bad? Ed, since you use this example often, can you provide me with some real world examples of someone being burglarized because their OOO message told the world they were away? I think I am more likely to be burglarized by a neighbour that notices I am gone, or someone that sees my postbox has been emptied in days, or someone overhearing me order plane/train tickets, etc. This issue has also been discussed on the urban legend debunking site, Snopes. The link is http://www.snopes.com/crime/intent/reply.htm I look forward to hearing your opinion or some proof of this happening. Cheers, Allison On Wednesday 05 March 2003 02:39 am, you wrote: The risk of a mail loop with OOO is small. However, consider the following: Byron Kennedy is out of the office vacationing in the south of France until the end of the summer. Please feel free to drop by his house at 123 Any Street, Anytown, USA, and help yourself to whatever is left. If you are a spammer, then you've hit a live mailbox! Tell your friends! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Byron Kennedy Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OOO to internet, still bad? I know this has caused havoc on e-mail systems in the past. Is this still frowned on and if so, are there any best-practices available out there on how to enable a firm to provide this service effectively with exchange 2000, outlook 2000/xp and avoid pitfalls in the past? How do others articulate or provide work-arounds? Thx for ideas... byron _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOO to internet, still bad?
-Original Message- From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 12:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOO to internet, still bad? But in that case, it is well known that thousand and thousands of websites have been hacked in the past, so it makes sense to patch the systems. With the OOO and burglary argument, no one has proven that it has ever occured. Nor have they proven its never been a factor. In the absense of definitive data in either direction I find that caution is the safest option. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NAV and Exchange
-Original Message- From: David Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 February 2003 10:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: NAV and Exchange Can i ask u all why its not wise to run virus scans on the exchange directories? Or am completely of base here? Because having a piece of software disinfect and or quarantine your mail database or transaction logs when it thinks its found a virus is a very reliable method of corrupting your database. Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Memory leak store .exe
-Original Message- From: Marc Mearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 15:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Memory leak store .exe User Group We have an exchange server where the store.exe seems to be slowly using up all the physical memory. Has any one seen any Q article for this problem? We also have another server that runs in tandem with the problem server and this does not seem to leak memory (two connector servers) Why do you feel this is a memory leak rather than normal behaviour? Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Memory leak store .exe
-Original Message- From: Marc Mearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 15:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Memory leak store .exe Robert 1 We are getting alerts from our TNG alerting system to say that the server is low on physical memory. 2.After a reboot the server slowly eats up the physical memory and does not seem to drop back. This is correct behaviour for store.exe providing it frees up the memory when other processes need it. Which probably won't happen much on a dedicated and well sized Exchange server. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Offline backup of Exch2k - options
What makes sending these backups over your T1 line instead of working it all locally so attractive to you that you are prepared to do an offline backup just to get that? -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wed 12/02/2003 16:22 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Offline backup of Exch2k - options We have a remote office connected via T1. They have their own server (Exch2k Enterprise SP3 , Win2k Server SP3), and the database is close to 10Gb. Running an online backup (nightly) over the T1 is taking waaay too long. It's been suggested that we perform an offline backup, bring the stores back online, shoot the backed up files down the T1 later. I have the procedure to this using eseutil (Q296788), but I would like to know if anyone else has any other options. TIA, Eric Holliday Exchange Administrator Corporate Information Systems Logistics Management Institute McLean, VA _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] â²Úh²Ø§PÛiÿü0ÂÌÇ(úÞ²«qïÞÅÈ_j¨m Ü+Þ²m§ÿðà 0Êy ¢oì׬yªÜû j·!jÊS¢éì¹» ®Þ¨¥¶^j÷ÅÈZ¥²Ì2G(L\ ©àx¸¬µ§fyb²Ö)ìÃ)är
RE: Veritas BLB
Well this and Paul's suggestion makes sense; take a normal full backup, no BLB agent involved, and all the work is done on the restore. If it didn't slow down the backup time the same way a traditional BLB backup does, it would be worth looking at. I still maintain that with the newer versions of exchange there is less reason to choose BLBs but... I suppose for those that want the option its good to know its there. Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February 2003 12:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas BLB That wouldn't be terribly difficult for someone with the correct programming skills. You're only really writing a replacement for store.exe, in order to read from the entire backup. Alternately, I supposer they could build a flat file version of the store, allowing for faster and less intense restores, but I'm not sure how that would do with full restores. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas BLB Maybe it now uses the same technology as Ontrack and their recovery product for Exchange mailboxes? Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 19:20 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas BLB Nothing is impossible Erik, but like you I'm dubious. I'd certainly want to see this claim proven over a long period of time before I'd let their BLB solution in the same room as one of my servers let alone installed. And lets face it, if you run with the latest and greatest versions of exchange and stick to good practice on deleted item / mailbox retention there ain't that much reason to miss BLBs. Rob -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 10/02/2003 18:56 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Veritas BLB I'd be wary of the claim that a BLB solution retains/supports SIS. Methinks they are mutually exclusive. Check the FAQ/Archives for the various and correct arguments against BLB of any type. -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Veritas BLB Internet.com said this got rejected. So I'll try again. I just got done installing Veritas 9, the upgrade gagged so I spent 3 = hours on the phone with veritas fixing everything. They are so backed up that = any call more than a few minutes immediately goes to upper level tech = support. The guy mentioned how much better 9 is and mentioned that it can do BLB pretty well now. The support SIS etc. Anyone have any input on this? I already have read the BLBs are bad stuff. But I'm interested to see = what people have say. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .+--xm ,)r(ື \bá½!￶ 0 ï§zÇ1r̬:.Ë mé[hy\z[,)rÉZ Zvh'+-iÙ¢2ÈG( ** The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those
RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects
Best part of luton is it in your rear view mirror every night at hometime. Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. -Original Message- From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February 2003 15:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Luckily he didn't work in Slough then?[1] [1] More UK humour. Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -Original Message- From: Rob Hackney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February 2003 12:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Wow, 116 ish posts on this crock of sh1t. Anyway, Mr Muir deserves some compensation for having to work in Luton [1] [1] UK joke... Rob MCSE + a, b, c thru to I MVPE A+ CNNE BA (hons) A-levels GCSE's This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** * The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Sony or Sony affiliated companies. Sony email is for business use only. This email and any response may be monitored by Sony United Kingdom Limited. (04) ** * _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Veritas BLB
Nothing is impossible Erik, but like you I'm dubious. I'd certainly want to see this claim proven over a long period of time before I'd let their BLB solution in the same room as one of my servers let alone installed. And lets face it, if you run with the latest and greatest versions of exchange and stick to good practice on deleted item / mailbox retention there ain't that much reason to miss BLBs. Rob -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 10/02/2003 18:56 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Veritas BLB I'd be wary of the claim that a BLB solution retains/supports SIS. Methinks they are mutually exclusive. Check the FAQ/Archives for the various and correct arguments against BLB of any type. -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Veritas BLB Internet.com said this got rejected. So I'll try again. I just got done installing Veritas 9, the upgrade gagged so I spent 3 = hours on the phone with veritas fixing everything. They are so backed up that = any call more than a few minutes immediately goes to upper level tech = support. The guy mentioned how much better 9 is and mentioned that it can do BLB pretty well now. The support SIS etc. Anyone have any input on this? I already have read the BLBs are bad stuff. But I'm interested to see = what people have say. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] â²Úh²Ø§PÛiÿü0ÂÌÇ(úÞ²«qïÞÅÈ_j¨m Ü+Þ²m§ÿðà 0Êy ¢oì׬yªÜû j·!jÊS¢éì¹» ®Þ¨¥¶^j÷ÅÈZ¥²Ì2G(L\ ©àx¸¬µ§fyb²Ö)ìÃ)är
RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB
I just can't imagine switching to ArcServe because something else needed too much maintenance. I've never ever had so much trouble with a bit of software as I have had with Arcserve. I think it must just be that all backup software sux. -Original Message- From: knighTslayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 10/02/2003 19:21 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: FW: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB This is going on in the Exchange2000 forum k -Original Message- From: knighTslayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB I have read the claims too. Sure it may be a usefull feature. I'd like to see it with my own eyes, just getting time to lab it. I don't see why Veritas would make the claim where clearly, they know what they are talking about and are actively promoting it. Still, best practice led from past experience is always the way to go. K -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB But more to the point what about Veritas 9? -Original Message- From: knighTslayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB Using Arcserve is like painting with your left foot, sure it can be done, but boy is it difficult! Still, horses for courses. K -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB I find that interesting. We dumped veritas for Brightstor Arcserv 9. veritas needed just to much attention. -Original Message- From: Corneglio, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB That's what I thought. We DUMPED arcserv for backup exec and no regrets. Maybe Ronald has a bunch of netware boxes around. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 2/10/2003 12:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB Use ArcServe? Did the universe just shift? -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB Use arcserv. Veritas is still very low end as far as im concerned. And BLB's are bad no matter what the software co says. For one you need outlook on the server which is a no no. -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Exchange2000] Veritas 9/BLB I just got done installing Veritas 9, the upgrade gagged so I spent 3 = hours on the phone with veritas fixing everything. They are so backed up that = any call more than a few minutes immediately goes to upper level tech = support. The guy mentioned how much better 9 is and mentioned that it can do BLB pretty well now. The support SIS etc. Anyone have any input on this? I already have read the BLBs are bad stuff. But I'm interested to see = what people have say. Jim Liddil Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange 2000 FAQ: http://www.exchange-mail.org/faq.html http://www.exchange-mail.org/faq.html Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text
RE: Disabling OOO to the internet for Exchange 5.5
So if i sum up the usual reasons given here, post them on my website etc then they'll accept it but not if i cut and paste the exact same text and mail it? Oh wait.. .gov.. the uk govt don't make sense so why should anyone else's ;-) -Original Message- From: Williams Scott CTR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 10/02/2003 21:42 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Disabling OOO to the internet for Exchange 5.5 I need a website to prove it... They won't take my word for it, or an email. -Original Message- From: Bingel, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Disabling OOO to the internet for Exchange 5.5 Other than the slew that you receive every time you post to the list? :) -Original Message- From: Williams Scott CTR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Disabling OOO to the internet for Exchange 5.5 Anyone got a couple good links to prove this is a good practice?? Disabling Out of Office that is Thanks in Advance! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] â²Úh²Ø§PÛiÿü0ÂÌÇ(úÞ²«qïÞÅÈ_j¨m Ü+Þ²m§ÿðà 0Êy ¢oì׬yªÜû j·!jÊS¢éì¹» ®Þ¨¥¶^j÷ÅÈZ¥²Ì2G(L\ ©àx¸¬µ§fyb²Ö)ìÃ)är
RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects
Are you saying that your own interpretation of your own attitude is unbiased? Or that your own evaluation of whether or not your paranioa about how Microsoft are out to get you is unbiased? Rob Also an MVP by the way. Want to throw some mud at me too? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 February 2003 11:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects And Ed, if I am not mistaken, you are also a Microsoft MVP, so whose interpretation is unbiased, mine or yours? I continue to believe my interpretation of your attitude is more accurate than your defense thereof. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 5:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Well, that was how I took it as well, but he was just doing such a terrible job at it that it was really more just stupid than funny or anything else. I mean, if you are going to go down that path, then make it funny or at least mildly humorous versus coming out of left field with a DOS reference. Yes, you want to take the argument to the extreme to prove a point, but you cannot do it in such a way that your point comes across as invalid. I could just as easily argue the other side and point out how much fun it would be if every hotfix or service pack caused some major component of the OS to change drastically. Let's say that every hotfix from Microsoft changed the way printers were configured such that you had to go out and reconfigure all of the printers on everyone's desktop every time you applied a hotfix. And I hardly think that I am the biggest Microsoft basher on the planet. They have fundamental flaws in their products and the way that they operate as a company. I point out those flaws when I see them. That's it. However, in some circles, any complaint against Microsoft, no matter how insignificant, is deemed heresy. He's probably one of those Microsoft MVP's anyway, so he's on their payroll to be a bigot. I think I get his point, and you don't, so I'll explain it to you. It's that every time you perceive that something doesn't work, Greg, you paint it as a giant Microsoft crusade to ruin your life. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects My point was that this is the straw that breaks the camels back. First my application written for DOS 3.22 stops working on Windows X, then they change core OS functionality like the ability to create an Outlook:// shortcut on the desktop. I say it's time to switch to Linux and Samsung Contact. Screw Microsoft and their poor, very poor backwards compatibility. On 2/6/03 7:00, Greg Deckler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is your point in all of this? To be honest, I can't follow any line of reasoning or an actual point to this post. You seem to be complaining a lot about something, but I am not sure exactly what it is. There's lots of sarcasm in the post, which seems to be a substitute for actual substance. My DOS application worked under Windows 2000 server, but now doesn't under XP. How is that any different than something working under Outlook 97 and not under Outlook 2002[1]? Hell, there's functionality that worked in Outlook 2000 that was stripped out in Outlook 2000 SR1. Damn that Microsoft! Bastards the whole lot of 'em. Stripping out core OS functionality like Outlook object hyperlinks. Ye gods, that's more critical than preemptive multi-tasking! Next thing you know they'll want us all to upgrade to Exchange 2000 and use these uniquely addressable hyperlink thingies and webdav. When will they learn that 640k is enough RAM for anyone? I have no idea what if any syntax will work for your Outlook:// hyperlinks Greg, but thanks for the entertainment. I'd test, but I don't exactly use Outlook 2002 any longer. [1] Counts on fingers.. Outlook 97, Outlook 98, Outlook 98, Outlook 2000, Outlook 2001, Outlook 2002... Six. Yep, only six versions. What were they thinking?[2] [2] There wasn't a similar hyperlink syntax for the Exchange client was there? Cause then I'd really be mad at them for
RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects
-Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 February 2003 14:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects And the other thing that REALLY chaps me is people that cast aspersions on others without fessing up to their own biases. MVP's are the worst of this lot. They secretly get direct compensation from Microsoft and then try to pass themselves off as unbiased. Really? What secret direct compensation do I receive? But you look at their posts and it is obvious that they are simply paid advocates for Microsoft and part of their responsibility is to vilify anyone that says anything negative with regards to Microsoft. And these are the same people that list every last certification and other acronym that they can paste onto the end of their sig, but you never see Microsoft MVP. Lets see now. My sig (for the rare occasions I bother to append it): -- Robert Moir, MSMVP Senior IT Systems Engineer, Luton Sixth Form College Dogs have owners, Cats have staff Notice it says MSMVP ? So, that's two strikes and two misses so far. I don't get Secret compensation and I appear to have the word MVP in my sig block. I wonder why? Microsoft asked me to become an MVP and I told them to go jump in a lake. More people need to take this approach and be true consultants, not advocates. I'm not any kind of consultant for anybody. I'm an employee of a college. I don't get paid by anyone to sell solutions based on Microsoft products or anyone else's products, and I'm certainly not paid to advocate any particular platform. That's strike three. Thanks for playing. -- Robert Moir, MSMVP Senior IT Systems Engineer, Luton Sixth Form College If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects
Me too. Sounds like we've all been missing out. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 15:24 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects I'm very interested to know what secret compensation he is speaking of. Deckler, care to elaborate? -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Yeah. You should see the developers run whenever Chris starts walking towards them. Andy, you forgot to tell me about that direct compensation you get for being an MVP. Unless he's talking about that t-shirt? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects lol Thanks for the good laugh. I have found that the harshest critics of Microsoft products are the MVPS themselves. Andy David Microsoft MVP. There, is that better? - Original Message - From: Greg Deckler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects My point is that it serves no useful purpose to cast aspersions as to people's attitudes and motivations because everyone is biased in one way or another. I believe that this is really systemic with regards to the problems of the IT industry as a whole. The entire industry is vendor and tool focused and that is a huge problem in IT. It tends to polarize people such that everyone is grouped into two categories, people that hate a particular vendor or tool and people that love a particular vendor or tool. This is just plain stupid. The IT industry has some fundamental problems. Microsoft, as part of that industry suffers from some of the same problems as well as some of their own unique deficiencies. Novell has their own unique issues, so does IBM and so does every other vendor in this space. But it seems that you cannot point out these deficiencies without people categorizing and stereotyping you in one way or another. I reject that. I hate all vendors of software tools equally. I find this an absolute requirement to provide true, unbiased consulting services. If you were to follow my posts on a GroupWise board or a Notes board, you would see me make similar arguments regarding the deficiencies of their products and company. However, since I make most of my revenue from Microsoft products and Exchange, I tend to be more active in that area. And the other thing that REALLY chaps me is people that cast aspersions on others without fessing up to their own biases. MVP's are the worst of this lot. They secretly get direct compensation from Microsoft and then try to pass themselves off as unbiased. But you look at their posts and it is obvious that they are simply paid advocates for Microsoft and part of their responsibility is to vilify anyone that says anything negative with regards to Microsoft. And these are the same people that list every last certification and other acronym that they can paste onto the end of their sig, but you never see Microsoft MVP. I wonder why? Microsoft asked me to become an MVP and I told them to go jump in a lake. More people need to take this approach and be true consultants, not advocates. Are you saying that your own interpretation of your own attitude is unbiased? Or that your own evaluation of whether or not your paranioa about how Microsoft are out to get you is unbiased? Rob Also an MVP by the way. Want to throw some mud at me too? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: 07 February 2003 11:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects =20 =20 And Ed, if I am not mistaken, you are also a Microsoft MVP,=20 so whose interpretation is unbiased, mine or yours? =20
RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects
m thong backs -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 15:40 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Its a thong with MSFT on the back. - Original Message - From: Robert Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Me too. Sounds like we've all been missing out. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 15:24 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects I'm very interested to know what secret compensation he is speaking of. Deckler, care to elaborate? -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Yeah. You should see the developers run whenever Chris starts walking towards them. Andy, you forgot to tell me about that direct compensation you get for being an MVP. Unless he's talking about that t-shirt? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects lol Thanks for the good laugh. I have found that the harshest critics of Microsoft products are the MVPS themselves. Andy David Microsoft MVP. There, is that better? - Original Message - From: Greg Deckler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects My point is that it serves no useful purpose to cast aspersions as to people's attitudes and motivations because everyone is biased in one way or another. I believe that this is really systemic with regards to the problems of the IT industry as a whole. The entire industry is vendor and tool focused and that is a huge problem in IT. It tends to polarize people such that everyone is grouped into two categories, people that hate a particular vendor or tool and people that love a particular vendor or tool. This is just plain stupid. The IT industry has some fundamental problems. Microsoft, as part of that industry suffers from some of the same problems as well as some of their own unique deficiencies. Novell has their own unique issues, so does IBM and so does every other vendor in this space. But it seems that you cannot point out these deficiencies without people categorizing and stereotyping you in one way or another. I reject that. I hate all vendors of software tools equally. I find this an absolute requirement to provide true, unbiased consulting services. If you were to follow my posts on a GroupWise board or a Notes board, you would see me make similar arguments regarding the deficiencies of their products and company. However, since I make most of my revenue from Microsoft products and Exchange, I tend to be more active in that area. And the other thing that REALLY chaps me is people that cast aspersions on others without fessing up to their own biases. MVP's are the worst of this lot. They secretly get direct compensation from Microsoft and then try to pass themselves off as unbiased. But you look at their posts and it is obvious that they are simply paid advocates for Microsoft and part of their responsibility is to vilify anyone that says anything negative with regards to Microsoft. And these are the same people that list every last certification and other acronym that they can paste onto the end of their sig, but you never see Microsoft MVP. I wonder why? Microsoft asked me to become an MVP and I told them to go jump in a lake. More people need to take this approach and be true consultants, not advocates. Are you saying that your own interpretation
RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects
Taken from the MVP site FAQ Do Microsoft MVPs receive any payment from Microsoft? No. Microsoft does provide a small award of software, but MVPs do not receive any monetary payment from Microsoft. As its mentioned in the FAQ, I don't think the software stuff is Secret Direct Compensation. Which is what you claimed originally. Do try to keep your story straight between one posting and the next. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 15:49 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects So, you are going to tell me that you have never received any sort of compensation at all for being an MVP. I am talking T-Shirts, plastic toys, anything and even the TITLE of MVP. If you receive ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION, it is a conflict of interest. Plain and simple. Ask any lawyer if they are allowed to accept ANYTHING for free. The answer is absolutely not. In IT, it is a different story and the difference is because IT is a trade and lawyers are professionals. As long as we in IT continue to operate in this mode, we will be seen as trades-people, the air-conditioning repair guy or plumber, not professionals. The MVP program is a horrible, horrible insidious device that will help keep IT at the trade level. Plus, once you accept the title, you are now the property of the vendor. You will consciously or unconsciously have a bias toward that vendor and keeping that title. This means that you will not tell it like it is in public and instead voice concerns in private to your vendor. If you all want to be trades-people instead of professionals, then keep on with your MVP program. I tend to believe that the entire IT industry is irrevocably broken. Compare it to engineers, lawyers and other professionals and it does not stack up well. And that is sad, because we could be professional, but we have no ethics. I'm very interested to know what secret compensation he is speaking of. Deckler, care to elaborate? -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Yeah. You should see the developers run whenever Chris starts walking towards them. Andy, you forgot to tell me about that direct compensation you get for being an MVP. Unless he's talking about that t-shirt? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects lol Thanks for the good laugh. I have found that the harshest critics of Microsoft products are the MVPS themselves. Andy David Microsoft MVP. There, is that better? - Original Message - From: Greg Deckler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects My point is that it serves no useful purpose to cast aspersions as to people's attitudes and motivations because everyone is biased in one way or another. I believe that this is really systemic with regards to the problems of the IT industry as a whole. The entire industry is vendor and tool focused and that is a huge problem in IT. It tends to polarize people such that everyone is grouped into two categories, people that hate a particular vendor or tool and people that love a particular vendor or tool. This is just plain stupid. The IT industry has some fundamental problems. Microsoft, as part of that industry suffers from some of the same problems as well as some of their own unique deficiencies. Novell has their own unique issues, so does IBM and so does every other vendor in this space. But it seems that you cannot point out these deficiencies without people categorizing and stereotyping you in one way or another. I reject that. I hate all vendors of software tools equally. I find this an absolute requirement to provide true, unbiased consulting services. If you were to follow my posts on a
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Not to mention the British Computer Society (of which I am a member) and no doubt countless other professional bodies around the world. -Original Message- From: Dennis Depp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 19:36 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Everthing in IT is not vendor based. Just off the top of my head A+ Certification SANS GIAC CISSP These are all certifications that are not based on any vendor's products. Dennis Depp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects This is exactly what I am talking about. Certifications in our industry are based around vendors and their tools. I get Microsoft certified. But that is meaningless. Imagine the corollary, a doctor gets certified in The Purple Pill. That's nonsense, but that is how the IT industry works. We get certifications based upon vendors, not based upon the services or processes we provide or our specialties. If we were to operate more like a profession, we would have people getting certified in Email and Network OS, etc. But we do not, everything in IT is vendor-based. It is sad and until our industry wakes up and realizes this, it will fail to be viewed a profession on par with doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. This view has a SEVERE impact on our ENTIRE industry. We are the equivalent of people traveling around in our medicine wagon peddling snake oil and other remedies to cure all your ills. I agree with you, to an extent. However, I believe the accountability = lapse in our profession is because of the paucity of meaningful = credentials. An attorney has to pass the bar, and then (potentially) = get board-certified in his or her specialty. Same with medical doctors. = Same with psychologists. Aside from the CCIE program and very few = others, the certification process in our industry is ludicrous and = meaningless. As long as built a Quake server in my parents' garage is = considered a credential, and as long as a paper MCSE or CNE are = considered credentials, the problem will exist. The other problem that = goes hand-in-hand with this is that hiring authorities for some reason = believe that they can accurately judge an applicant's qualifications = based upon buzzword bingo, meaningless certs papering the wall, and = years of experience. Then they get some monkey that crammed for a = week to get his MCSE, throws around a bunch of lingo that he read in a = tech journal in the waiting room, and shared breathing space with a = broken installation of $technology for x period of time. =20 I don't believe accepting my Microsoft Bob coffee mug perverts my = objectivity. Except that I really like drinking coffee from it and = probably wouldn't use my Novell mugs because they're plastic and shaped = in such a way that my coffee gets cold. -tom -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:30 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects I'm not sure how this refutes anything along these lines. Going to a trade show and picking up a freebie is one thing. Accepting a title and accepting continued compensation is quite another. There is no relationship implied with the first, there is with the second. There are very specific things that denote a profession. One is having = an independent governing body that defines and enforces the rules and ethics of the profession. The IT industry is a horrible failure in this regard. And, if you want to get specific, the only real professions that meet all of the definitions are military, medical, lawyers and to a = lesser degree accounting and engineering. If you want to get technical, the military is the only profession that truly meets all of the = requirements. In terms of their management
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Its hard to tell what you are talking about. Every time someone says something you can't refute, you change your arguement slightly. You talk about ethics and yet you throw around wild accusations about others while not even managing to stick to the generally accepted ground rules for debate. Which reminds me: I asked you earlier what Secret Direct Compensation my fellow MVPs and I are supposed to receive from Microsoft. I'm still waiting for my reply. Rob MS MVP. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 19:59 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects This is exactly the attitude that I am talking about. .+-¦-xm¶ÿà ,Â)Ür¿ë(º· ýì\ öªÙÈb½ë!¶Úÿ 0³ §ÊþÈzÇȱæ«r¬¥:.˱Êâmé[hæ¯yì\ ©àz[,Ã)ärÅÈZËZvh§+-iÙ¢Ì2G(
RE: Gonna love this...
Unless they are saving their PSTs on the M:\ drive ;-) -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 21:14 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Gonna love this... Ah, so you meant what does THE VERSION OF Exchange have to do with PSTs? As far as I know, nothing. It is possible that something is different. It would seem to me that the version of Oulook would be more relevant. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Gonna love this... But why would it matter to PSTs whether the Exchange server is 5.5 or 2000? -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Gonna love this... Do you use outlook? :P Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Gonna love this... what does Exchange have to to with PSTs? -Original Message- From: Bailey, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Gonna love this... Are you using Exchange 2000 or 5.5? Just curious because since we went to 2000 we have had some strange problems with PST's on mapped drives. -Matt Matthew Bailey LAN Engineer CSK Auto, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: (602) 631-7486 Fax: (602) 294-7486 Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Gonna love this... We are testing Outlook 2002 in Windows 2000/Citrix terminal server and ran into issues with PST files on the users' mapped home drive. We opened a PSS call and were told that Microsoft does not support PST files on mapped drives. The support person then quoted a q article which basically says that performance of a PST file on a network drive will not match a local drive (duh...). Sheesh... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
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I'm currently using Outlook Web Access to reply to mail on this list. While I apologise for any inconvenience this causes, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to use an Exchange technology to interact with an Exchange mailing list. If I was as paranoid about you as you were about me and my fellow MVPs, I might say that its curious that you seemed to understand my posts when you wanted to rant at me but seem to have a problem when I point out how illogical you are, or ask you to actually answer a direct question instead of moving off point. But as behaving in that way would be unethical of you, I'm sure thatâs not the case. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 07/02/2003 21:05 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Robert Moir -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Haven't seen the majority of your messages because they come through like this. To whom were you speaking? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] â²Úh²Ø§PÛiÿü0ÂÌÇ(úÞ²«qïÞÅÈ_j¨m Ü+Þ²m§ÿðà 0Êy ¢oì׬yªÜû j·!jÊS¢éì¹» ®Þ¨¥¶^j÷ÅÈZ¥²Ì2G(L\ ©àx¸¬µ§fyb²Ö)ìÃ)är
RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects
-Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 February 2003 13:01 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects What exactly is your point in all of this? To be honest, I can't follow any line of reasoning If you stoppped here this would be a perfect post. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POP3 bad?
Well its always a bad idea in general security terms to run processes when you have no need to use them; why open yourself up to the potential of an exploit in something you don't have to use when you can just close it down and forget the risk? Why risk forgetting you need to apply a patch for it because We don't use that here so we don't need to worry about it (case in point would be those MSDE 2000 installs that got hit by slammer whose users didn't worry because they didn't use SQL Server 2000). Having it running when you don't use it is just more ways for things to go wrong -- for example a user connects to it while playing and downloads mail via pop, which deltes it from the server, and then complains they've lost their email. Why waste the server's resources on a process you don't expect to use. Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 February 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: POP3 bad? Are they any reasons to disable POP3 for use by users on a E2K setup? Security or any other? Customer would like to shut it off but needs reasons why POP3 should be shutdown. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Disable forwarding, but allowing users to send emails to outside of a company...
The reason I am asking is that one of Director used to work in a company that disabled forwarding, but allow users to send new e-mails and he is wondering why we are not doing it. Why not tell him the reason you don't do it is because you know that anyone who wants to share company confidential mail in this way can just open the received mail in question, type CTRL-A, CTRL-C, open a new mail message and hit CTRL-C and get around the forwarding that way, with less than 10 key strokes. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can't create large PDL in outlook XP
-Original Message- From: Imran Iqbal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 January 2003 12:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Can't create large PDL in outlook XP Please help, I am trying to create a large Personnal Distribution List on Outlook 2002 and am getting the following error message. The distribution list has reached the maximum size for your network e-mail server. No new members could be added. I can't find any information on this error on the Microsoft site or any settings that I can change. Has anyone had this before and if so how do you fix it. You didn't find Q238569? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can't create large PDL in outlook XP
-Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 January 2003 15:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Can't create large PDL in outlook XP He didn't look. That's what you are for. That's ok. I'll lull 'em into a false sense of security then one day tell them the answer is to use sandpaper on the drive heads of all the disks in the information store raid. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
My gut reaction would be to take a hit of diet pepsi and ask myself why I felt so
threatened by this newsletter. If i still felt this way after i finished the whole
can, I'd probably go and ask them why, and if it were not for work purposes I'd ask
them to consider unsubbing.
But then by the time I drunk a whole tin of pepsi I would probably have remembered
something else more important to the running of the network to do instead.
-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wed 18/12/2002 16:14
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Subject: Blocking a newsletter
Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.
Jim Liddil
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RE: STORE.EXE loves memory
I don't think he mentioned the version at all, precht. Why not get your head out of your event ID'd ass and tell us what pearl of wisdom you would have used to solve the problem, you shining beacon of perfection, you. Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:discussions;entrysecurity.com] Sent: 15 November 2002 00:20 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: STORE.EXE loves memory Did he mention 5.5 in there? I don't think he did. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-224131;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 17:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: STORE.EXE loves memory Why SP3 anyhow? SP4 is where you need to be. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov;innerhost.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: STORE.EXE loves memory I think it will stop after 3GB. -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:john.mcgivern;baldhead.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: STORE.EXE loves memory Hi everyone. I have just rolled out exchange and I'm finding the store.exe process is slowly eating all memory. I have exchange SP3 on this machine and I tried the registry fix Microsoft suggests that deals with an excessive amount of threads and its still not under control. Is there anything else I can do. I'm putting in more memory into the server but I assume it will only eat that too! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sent Item
-Original Message- From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com] Sent: 13 November 2002 14:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Sent Item Are you guys the in-house mail admins? I would think that its part of the job description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something. Your company doesn't have the practice of cross charging internal departments for work that's outside the normal scope of the job? Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RBL's
-Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com] Sent: 07 November 2002 18:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Computing issues like say... an RBL? I meant lots of other computing issues as well as... I applaud your amazing insight. And so you should more often. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Moving E2k storage group to new Server
But when have facts worried a lienux zealot? -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com] Sent: 06 November 2002 20:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving E2k storage group to new Server It's not open and it's certainly not Exchange. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:tony.mccullough;hcs.state.or.us] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions You mentioned that there is nothing in the Linux world like Exchange. I haven't looked at this but I received this Open Exchange link from a friend of mine the other day. I can't vouch for it, but thought I'd throw it out. http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/suse_business/openexchange/in dex. ht ml Tony McCullough -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:Ken.Cornetet;kimball.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving E2k storage group to new Server Here's my take: A quick peek a CDW shows SBS at $1277 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=274287. Microsoft is offering a $500 rebate if you can read the SBS sales literature and answer 20 some-odd questions. That puts the price at $777. I'm not familiar with the MCSP program, so I cannot comment on that. You are also forgetting about Exchange CALS at $70 each. You are correct in that growing past SBS is somewhat painful (I might argue with the 10-20 times more expensive. Exmerging 50 mailboxes is not that painful...), but I would maintain that if a company finds themselves outgrowing SBS, then it should not have been put in in the first place. Yes, Linux is a viable option for small companies (big ones, too). It does have some drawbacks, though. 1. Support. Finding a local consultant to support a Linux system is going to be harder than finding someone to support Microsoft products. 2. Third-party applications. Going Linux defiantly puts a company outside the mainstream and limits third party server applications like mail filtering, antivirus, web surfing control, etc. Running a business on Linux servers is, IMHO, very a very viable option. But, it pretty much requires a resident propeller-head to smooth over the rough spots. Most small companies (where SBS is targeted) just can't afford a full-time system admin. They would much rather farm it out to a consultant. Let's not forget that Exchange is more than email as well. There's nothing in the open source arena (that I know of) that can provide the same functionality that Exchange provides. I'll conclude stating that IMHO, SBS is an excellent value when applied in the appropriate environment - that is a small company (5-15 employees) needing at least file-sharing and Exchange and with no resident system admin. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:greg;infonition.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving E2k storage group to new Server Thought long and hard about letting this go, but where is the fun in that? First, to answer the migration piece of this. The only option I can think of at this time would be to treat the SBS Exchange system as a foreign mail system, meaning export and import mailbox data to migrate. Migration costs will be 10-20 times what it would be to simply put another server in place and move users. But, if is your only option... Now on to the fun... SBS License: $1,499.00 (5 clients) Real W2K Server license: $1,199.00 (10 clients) E2K Standard Edition: $1,299.00 (can always be upgraded to Enterprise if needed) Now, realistically, if you are a small little shop, this is all the Microsoft products that you need and so for 1.67 times the amount you eliminate all of the limitations of SBS and have actual, real products versus cripple-ware. But what about ISA? Don't need it. Go get a Linksys box for $100 for your firewall and it is wide open outbound. But what about SQL Server? IF you need it, then it's $1,499.00. Otherwise, you don't need it. If you are a small business, you can get cripple-ware for $1.5K or actual software to run your business for $2-4K. Under the first scenario you are setting yourself up for failure and under the second, you have invested just a little more money but have primed your business for growth. And if you are such a cash-strapped business that you cannot afford the extra grand or two, then you should probably be looking at free software. Put a Linux box up, done. It's cost $0.00. And, just for fun, 2 MCP exams, ~$250 and an MCSP license ~$2000.00. So again, for just a few extra (hundreds) of dollars you get lots
RE: RBL's
-Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com] Sent: 06 November 2002 15:47 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Please don't use the McDonalds lawsuit as some type of example of the legal system gone bezerk. If you actually understood the history of the case, you'd find that the judgment itself was well within the bounds of reason, even if the monetary damages awarded appear to be a bit shocking. It's a great example, however, of people jumping all over something despite not understanding it much at all, which makes it a good parable for computing issues. Robert Moir MSMVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RBL's
-Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc;noghri.net] Sent: 04 November 2002 18:52 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Hu you being rude to someone elseimagine that? You saying nothing of value AGAIN... Imagine that? Robert Moir IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps. Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Exchange user survey
Ahh but is that tolerance = Has an impact on their business process
or
tolerance = Whines to helpdesk cos the daily dilbert ain't arrived yet.
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Sent: Tue 15/10/2002 13:52
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Outage tolerance? Some can't wait even a minute. Even if it only happens once
a year.
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From: Vans Evers, Frank W. SAIC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:50 AM
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Subject: New Exchange user survey
Does anyone have a standard survey that could be applied to sizing a new
Exchange amil user site.
1. How many users?
2. Store mail on user PC or exchange server?
3. How many messages each week per user?
4. Does user delete after reading or retain??
5. How long an outage can user tolerate? One day, two days, one week?
Etc...
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Thanks in advance
/s/ Frank W. Vans Evers, SAIC
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RE: Mail loop
That reminds me, I need to reinstall my copy of that here at work.
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You have a smart user.
http://www.grinningshark.com
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Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
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Subject: Mail loop
I have a user who has got 15 mail delivery receipts for an email which
she sent out yesterday.
Even though this delivery notification is sent by my exchange
server, I
am assuming that this is triggered by a mail loop in the
recipient side.
Am I right or is this being triggered on our side? The
recipient claims
that he has received the message 15 times as well. I checked
the log on
my virus wall server, it only sent out the message once.
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RE: Antigen vs. Trend
-Original Message- From: Cooke, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 October 2002 14:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antigen vs. Trend All, We have just about finished configuring a new server running Exchange 5.5 SP4 on Windows 2K Advanced Server. we are looking into Antivirus software and have pretty much narrowed it down to Trend and Antigen. I am personally leaning towards Trend Neat Suite that seems to offer a lot more desktop options for desktop and server protection as well. But I'm curious if you all think that possibly Antigen's pros outweigh the pros of the suite of Trend. Does any one have any information that would be useful in my decision? Thanks in advance, Brian Having a different virus scanner on your gateways into the system from the one on your desktops is actually a pro in and of itself. Is this an option? Robert Moir IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue 0 0 rows returned _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
-Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? No. It's worse. I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! Ok, so it has a pretty looking backup routine. You can restore a few files from it. Now test if you can do a full disaster recovery bare metal server back to fully working with it. A surprisingly high number of people struggle to do this despite jumping through every hoop in the CA book. And the licencing doesn't work properly so prepare for lots of random failures to backup when the licence decides to fail because it's bored. Thanks to my boss, I had to use it for exchange and SQL backups in the past and it never ever worked properly to the point where I could trust it to work on backing things up unsupervised, and I never trusted it to restore properly either after many bad experiences. Robert Moir MS MVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue 0 0 rows returned _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Nothing elaborate. We simply could not reliably restore from backup tapes it made. One or two times it worked, yes, but it seemed rather flakey to us. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 10:01 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
