RE: SCR Zero Dataloss
Hi Smith While deploying SCR, my colleagues had an opinion that in case of a disaster, priority should be given to bring back the services online rather than protect against logical corruptions. So I requested the opinion of my boss who is not much into exchange. He came back asking what the option to minimize the data loss. I need to answer his query. So, lets say I am increasing the replay timeout to 24hrs, then 24 hrs worth of logs will be in queue on target that is to be replayed. During this 24 hrs, at the 12th hours a logical corruption occurred on the source, how much data I can get back on the target when I move the target database back to production as source. What is the best practice for the replay time out value? And truncate log value? Regards Liby From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss So, let's think about this You can set the replaytimeout and the truncationlagtimeout to zero, but the log shipping of SCR is inherently bursty and generally only starts if you have 50 logs queued. However, after the first 50 are copied, the rest get copied in real time, but not applied in real time. There is always a 50 log file delay. You cannot back up an SCR target copy. You must back up the SCR source copy. The target copy uses circular logging, more or less. When you activate the SCR copy, it attempts to copy any log files that have not yet been copied (i.e., that were queued for copy). SoI'm not sure what you mean by zero data loss. From: Liby Philip Mathew [mailto:lmat...@path-solutions.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: SCR Zero Dataloss Hi there, I am in the midst of deploying SCR. My environment 2 DC, 1 stand alone Mailbox server on Windows 2003 x64 and 1 Edge server on Windows 2003 x64. How do I configure the SCR target for 0 data loss? What are the drawbacks when I opt for 0 data loss? What are the backup options I have? Right now I have NTBackup dump the database locally to the disk with log truncation and backup using Symantec 12 to tape. Appreciate a your inputs and suggestion Regards Liby Disclaimer [The information contained in this e-mail message and any attached files are confidential information and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Path Solutions accepts no responsibility for any errors, omissions, computer viruses and other defects.] ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
How many users? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Don Andrews don.andr...@safeway.com wrote: All this assumes of course that your time is free. Having deployed MX Logic within the past year, I can assure you that payware products and services involve lots of time, too. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
www.untangle.com The basic setup is free. It does spam filtering, content filtering, malware protection... If you opt for the monthly subscription there are add-ons like AD integration and so on... It runs on a fairly small PC - depending on the amount of users. Rick -Original Message- From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam How many users? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
First thing first when it comes to questions like this is.. what is the budget looking like for implementing this product? There are plenty of options out there, you just need to find which one fits within your budget and addresses the functionality you're looking for. _ John Bowles - Original Message From: Rick Corgiat rcorg...@techworksnet.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:30:15 AM Subject: RE: Filtering Spam www.untangle.com The basic setup is free. It does spam filtering, content filtering, malware protection... If you opt for the monthly subscription there are add-ons like AD integration and so on... It runs on a fairly small PC - depending on the amount of users. Rick -Original Message- From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam How many users? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
+1 Assp is great, even if the main developer is a bit of an ass. ...Tim -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
Anything that has lots of configurable options is going to take time to learn how to use, free or not. ���Tim -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam All this assumes of course that your time is free. - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Mar 10 21:22:51 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
And, does it have to run on the same box as the Exchange server, or on another box? Are non-Windows solutions acceptable? I heartily recommend MailScanner (http://www.mailscanner.info), which we have running on a couple of CentOS 5 boxes. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal | Networks Engineer Herefordshire Council | Deputy Chief Executive's Office | I.C.T. Services Division Thorn Office Centre, Rotherwas, Hereford, HR2 6JT Tel: 01432 260160 email: pran...@herefordshire.gov.uk Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Herefordshire Council. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it. -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 13:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam First thing first when it comes to questions like this is.. what is the budget looking like for implementing this product? There are plenty of options out there, you just need to find which one fits within your budget and addresses the functionality you're looking for. _ John Bowles - Original Message From: Rick Corgiat rcorg...@techworksnet.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:30:15 AM Subject: RE: Filtering Spam www.untangle.com The basic setup is free. It does spam filtering, content filtering, malware protection... If you opt for the monthly subscription there are add-ons like AD integration and so on... It runs on a fairly small PC - depending on the amount of users. Rick -Original Message- From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam How many users? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
*ahem* good open-source/free product -- ME2 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote: Ninja rocks! On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Daniel Hood dsmh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
+1 on ASSP. Just try not to deal with the developer directly. Thankfully there are plenty of other good ppl associated with the project. -- ME2 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Tim Evans tev...@sparling.com wrote: +1 Assp is great, even if the main developer is a bit of an ass. ...Tim -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
We use a combination of Amavisd, Clamd and PostFix on our mail servers at our colo facility to scan for virus first, then spam before the mail is routed to our Exchange server internally. We use Centos as our flavor of *nix on these servers. As with most *nix solutions, free except for the time to learn/configure, but it does work very well. When we implemented this a couple of years ago, we actually got phone calls and emails from users thanking us for whatever it was that we did because they weren't getting spam anymore. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Randal, Phil pran...@herefordshire.gov.ukwrote: And, does it have to run on the same box as the Exchange server, or on another box? Are non-Windows solutions acceptable? I heartily recommend MailScanner (http://www.mailscanner.info), which we have running on a couple of CentOS 5 boxes. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal | Networks Engineer Herefordshire Council | Deputy Chief Executive's Office | I.C.T. Services Division Thorn Office Centre, Rotherwas, Hereford, HR2 6JT Tel: 01432 260160 email: pran...@herefordshire.gov.uk Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Herefordshire Council. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it. -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 13:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam First thing first when it comes to questions like this is.. what is the budget looking like for implementing this product? There are plenty of options out there, you just need to find which one fits within your budget and addresses the functionality you're looking for. _ John Bowles - Original Message From: Rick Corgiat rcorg...@techworksnet.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:30:15 AM Subject: RE: Filtering Spam www.untangle.com The basic setup is free. It does spam filtering, content filtering, malware protection... If you opt for the monthly subscription there are add-ons like AD integration and so on... It runs on a fairly small PC - depending on the amount of users. Rick -Original Message- From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam How many users? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon . ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can't take over if it can't handle the load. IMHO. YMMV. From: 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: SCR Zero Dataloss
SCR wasn't possible before SP1, but these types of errors could happen with CCR as well. I would suspend and re-enable. If that doesn't fix it, I'd start over. I'm sorry I don't have any better advice. From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss It says it's disabled. From what I'm reading, that seems to be expected behavior. If you don't specify a standbymachine, it seems to assume you're asking about CCR or LCR replication, and it's not configured for those. I didn't think SCR was even possible before SP1. From the source server: [PS] C:\get-storagegroupcopystatus | fl Identity : 006MAIL-VE1\First Storage Group StorageGroupName : First Storage Group SummaryCopyStatus: Disabled NotSupported : False NotConfigured: False Disabled : True ServiceDown : False Failed : False Initializing : False Resynchronizing : False Seeding : False Suspend : False CCRTargetNode: FailedMessage: SuspendComment : CopyQueueLength : 0 ReplayQueueLength: 0 LatestAvailableLogTime : LastCopyNotificationedLogTime: LastCopiedLogTime: LastInspectedLogTime : LastReplayedLogTime : LastLogGenerated : 0 LastLogCopyNotified : 0 LastLogCopied: 0 LastLogInspected : 0 LastLogReplayed : 0 LatestFullBackupTime : LatestIncrementalBackupTime : LatestDifferentialBackupTime : LatestCopyBackupTime : SnapshotBackup : SnapshotLatestFullBackup : SnapshotLatestIncrementalBackup : SnapshotLatestDifferentialBackup : SnapshotLatestCopyBackup : OutstandingDumpsterRequests : DumpsterServersNotAvailable : DumpsterStatistics : IsValid : True ObjectState : Unchanged [PS] C:\ _ From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss I'm at a loss. There were quite a few of these issues fixed in sp1. What if you just enter the cmdlet name by itself? Get-StoragegroupCopyStatus From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss Yes. _ From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss Are these servers at sp1? From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss I ran the last one on the source server. I've tried it locally on both the source and target servers with the same results. _ From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss Which machine are you running this on? From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss Same result: [PS] C:\get-storagegroupcopystatus -standbymachine sdcmail-ve1 Get-StorageGroupCopyStatus : Microsoft Exchange Replication service RPC failed : Microsoft.Exchange.Rpc.RpcException: Error e0434f4d from cli_GetCopyStatusEx at Microsoft.Exchange.Rpc.Cluster.ReplayRpcClient.GetCopyStatusEx(Guid[] sgG uids, RpcStorageGroupCopyStatus[] sgStatuses) at Microsoft.Exchange.Cluster.Replay.ReplayRpcClientWrapper.InternalGetCopyS tatus(String serverName, Guid[] sgGuids, RpcStorageGroupCopyStatus[] sgStatuse s, Int32 serverVersion) At line:1 char:27 + get-storagegroupcopystatus -standbymachine sdcmail-ve1 [PS] C:\ Command was run locally on the source server. _ From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss Lose the first parameter: Get-StoragegroupCopyStatus -standbymachine sdcmail-ve1 From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: SCR Zero Dataloss I'm trying to get SCR working right now, and it seems to
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
Yep, that's been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can't take over if it can't handle the load. IMHO. YMMV. From: 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
See, I fall directly into the database portability camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few set-storagegroups, set-mailboxdatabases, mount-database, and move-mailbox -configurationonly --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From: Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that's been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can't take over if it can't handle the load. IMHO. YMMV. From: 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
I can't disagree there Michael - I was merely stating that for those customers who have wanted standby clusters, these are sometimes single node clusters. Yes, using /RecoverCMS can pose additional gotchas, like the CNO permissions required on the CMS computer account when used on Windows 2008 for example. I'm with you on the automation front. J From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 15:31 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the database portability camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few set-storagegroups, set-mailboxdatabases, mount-database, and move-mailbox -configurationonly --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From: Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that's been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can't take over if it can't handle the load. IMHO. YMMV. From: 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
Because closed source software installs, configures and manages itself? -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam All this assumes of course that your time is free. - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Mar 10 21:22:51 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new I think the point was that the above sounds like a extended nightmare to many of us (At least me), compared to something like clicking Next, Next, Ok, Finish with something like Ninja. I don't think it's a open vs. closed source argument. -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam Because closed source software installs, configures and manages itself? -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam All this assumes of course that your time is free. - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Mar 10 21:22:51 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
No, I didn't mean to imply that. You still have IP addresses, default gateways, DNS etc. etc. - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Mar 11 10:25:29 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam Because closed source software installs, configures and manages itself? -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam All this assumes of course that your time is free. - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Mar 10 21:22:51 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
+1 - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Mar 11 10:35:22 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new I think the point was that the above sounds like a extended nightmare to many of us (At least me), compared to something like clicking Next, Next, Ok, Finish with something like Ninja. I don't think it's a open vs. closed source argument. -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam Because closed source software installs, configures and manages itself? -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam All this assumes of course that your time is free. - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Mar 10 21:22:51 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
FWIW, I would never install Perl on my Exchange server either :) I like to keep critical boxes Vanilla. But trust me, unless you haven't any Linux experience, it's no different than low level administering of windows servers and apps. Community help around Postfix, CentOS and sa is pretty freaking good! jlc -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:35 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new I think the point was that the above sounds like a extended nightmare to many of us (At least me), compared to something like clicking Next, Next, Ok, Finish with something like Ninja. I don't think it's a open vs. closed source argument. -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam Because closed source software installs, configures and manages itself? -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam All this assumes of course that your time is free. - Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Mar 10 21:22:51 2009 Subject: RE: Filtering Spam There's lots of good options, you could install Perl on the exchange server and proxy smtp with assp, or setup a Linux based MTA and install assp on it or something like postfix/sqlgrey/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd-new that of which there are lots of how to's. By far the easiest is assp and it does work well. jlc -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: I think the point was that the above sounds like a extended nightmare to many of us (At least me), compared to something like clicking Next, Next, Ok, Finish with something like Ninja. I haven't used Ninja, but I've never seen *any* non-trivial product that was as easy as clicking Next, Next, Next, Finish. Well, I've seen lots of people who *think* that's how it works. When I was consulting, I was often called in to clean up the mess that sort of person left behind. This is not to say that free or Free software is always a good solution. Certainly, if it's a Unix-based solution and one has zero Unix experience, there's going to be a significant learning curve, same as with any new OS platform. Just that saying X is only free if your time is worthless is misleading, because, e.g., Windows Server is only $800/box if your time is worthless, too. :) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the “database portability” camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few “set-storagegroups”, “set-mailboxdatabases”, ”mount-database”, and “move-mailbox –configurationonly” --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From:Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that’s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can’t take over if it can’t handle the load… IMHO. YMMV. From:8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Trying to get first Edge server going...
This is exactly what it breaks down to. These two lines. You should be able to execute them manually. Dsdbutil 'Activate Instance MSExchange' 'SSL Port 1499' Set-itemproperty HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Exchange\v8.0\EdgeTransportRole\AdamSettings\MSExc hange -name SslPort -value 1499 From: Russ Patterson [mailto:rus...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Trying to get first Edge server going... Greetings all - We're trying to get our Edge Transport server up running with a custom SSLport - which you can do, as documented http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa997269.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa997269.aspx here. It says you can use the ConfigureAdam.ps1 file to change a few of the parameters. We tried, we get some errors. It appears that the script is written for ADAM, instead of AD LDS? Our Edge Server is installed on Windows server 2008, which uses ADLDS instead of ADAM. The errors we got initially were: [PS] D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts.\ConfigureAdam.ps1 -ssl port:1499 -logpath:D:\logs\adam The term 'C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe' is not recognized as a cmdlet, function , operable program, or script file. Verify the term and try again. At line:1 char:29 + C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe 'Activate Instance MSExchange' 'SSL Port 1 499' 'quit' You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing SSL Port to 1499 failed. The term 'C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe' is not recognized as a cmdlet, function , operable program, or script file. Verify the term and try again. At line:1 char:29 + C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe 'Activate Instance MSExchange' 'Files' 'se t path logs \D:\logs\adam\' 'quit' 'quit' You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing Log Path to D:\logs\adam failed. WARNING: Waiting for service 'Microsoft Exchange ADAM (ADAM_MSExchange)' to finish starting... Start-Service : Service 'Microsoft Exchange Transport (MSExchangeTransport)' st art failed. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:348 cha r:14 + start-service $EdgeTransportServiceName Reading the errors, we looked to see where dsdbutil.exe was installed - it was in C:\Windows\System32 instead of in C:\Windows\Adam. We tried copying dsdbutil.exe into the ADAM folder and ran the same powershell script again and got these errors: [PS] D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts.\ConfigureAdam.ps1 -ssl port:1499 -logpath:D:\logs\adam ERROR reading resource file. Exiting. You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing SSL Port to 1499 failed. ERROR reading resource file. Exiting. You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing Log Path to D:\logs\adam failed. WARNING: Waiting for service 'Microsoft Exchange ADAM (ADAM_MSExchange)' to finish starting... Start-Service : Service 'Microsoft Exchange Transport (MSExchangeTransport)' st art failed. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:348 cha r:14 + start-service $EdgeTransportServiceName [PS] D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts Do we need an updated version of ConfigureAdam.ps1? (We looked for a ConfigureADLDS.ps1, it wasn't there. G) Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks very much for your time. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
Ideally, all of the powershell scripts would be created and documented as part of your disaster recovery plan. Any novice admin should be able to read your well formatted and detailed instructions for handling a specific type of failure and execute the appropriate script...right? ;-) Or you could spend thousands of dollars on DoubleTake for a nice comfortable GUI to play with. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles -- *From:* Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the “database portability” camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few “set-storagegroups”, “set-mailboxdatabases”, ”mount-database”, and “move-mailbox –configurationonly” --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) *From:* Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that’s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] *Sent:* 11 March 2009 14:54 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can’t take over if it can’t handle the load… IMHO. YMMV. *From:* 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *jond *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
Because Microsoft doesn’t know how you are going to shake this stick. Each SCR source can have multiple targets. A SCR source can be a SCC, a CCR, or a standalone server. A SCR target can be a SCC, CCR, or standalone server. A given AD account can only be tied to one of them at a time, even if there are multiple databases containing multiple copies of the same mailbox! So…which source? Which target? Which lag set? How quickly to fail over? How many logs do I apply? Do I update DNS? With choice comes complexity. (Believe it or not, I was just involved in a discussion with a set of MSFT engineers this morning taking your side of this argument – that it’s too complicated. So….I agree with you. And I believe that it will get better. You have many advocates such as me, Neil, and William all trying to keep things workable for the SMORG.) From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles _ From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the “database portability” camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few “set-storagegroups”, “set-mailboxdatabases”, ”mount-database”, and “move-mailbox –configurationonly” --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From: Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that’s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can’t take over if it can’t handle the load… IMHO. YMMV. From: 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
Yea, I can see a novice popping open PS and his documentation on his desk while the mail system is down and his boss hanging over his shoulder peppering him with questions why his mail system is down and what went wrong That's gonna go over really well. What I'm saying is the east of use. E2K7 for the novice to medium level admin is not easy to use is all I'm saying. _ John Bowles From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:16:45 PM Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Ideally, all of the powershell scripts would be created and documented as part of your disaster recovery plan. Any novice admin should be able to read your well formatted and detailed instructions for handling a specific type of failure and execute the appropriate script...right? ;-) Or you could spend thousands of dollars on DoubleTake for a nice comfortable GUI to play with. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the “database portability” camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few “set-storagegroups”, “set-mailboxdatabases”, ”mount-database”, and “move-mailbox –configurationonly” --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From:Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that’s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can’t take over if it can’t handle the load… IMHO. YMMV. From:8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
No, you are thinking of small business server, and I d�t believe SCR will work with that. Every average Exchange 2007 admin I know has a substantial amount of Powershell knowledge. Some more than others, but I have a hard time imagining an enterprise rollout of 2007 without some people ( or better a group of peoples) knowing Powershell. -troy -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the ���database portabili� camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few ���set-storagegrou�,set-mailboxdatabasesmount-databas, andmove-mailbo�configurationonl --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From: Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that���s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware c�t take over if it c�t handle the loa IMHO. YMMV. From: 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Trying to get first Edge server going...
Michael - Thanks! - As always, you are an amazing source of knowledge. Ordered your book Monitoring Exchange Server 2007 with System Center Operations Manager We'll keep everyone posted on progress. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com wrote: This is exactly what it breaks down to. These two lines. You should be able to execute them manually. Dsdbutil ‘Activate Instance MSExchange’ ‘SSL Port 1499’ Set-itemproperty “HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Exchange\v8.0\EdgeTransportRole\AdamSettings\MSExchange” –name SslPort –value 1499 *From:* Russ Patterson [mailto:rus...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:46 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Trying to get first Edge server going... Greetings all - We're trying to get our Edge Transport server up running with a custom SSLport - which you can do, as documented http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa997269.aspx here. It says you can use the ConfigureAdam.ps1 file to change a few of the parameters. We tried, we get some errors. It appears that the script is written for ADAM, instead of AD LDS? Our Edge Server is installed on Windows server 2008, which uses ADLDS instead of ADAM. The errors we got initially were: [PS] D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts.\ConfigureAdam.ps1 -ssl port:1499 -logpath:D:\logs\adam The term 'C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe' is not recognized as a cmdlet, function , operable program, or script file. Verify the term and try again. At line:1 char:29 + C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe 'Activate Instance MSExchange' 'SSL Port 1 499' 'quit' You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing SSL Port to 1499 failed. The term 'C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe' is not recognized as a cmdlet, function , operable program, or script file. Verify the term and try again. At line:1 char:29 + C:\Windows\Adam\dsdbutil.exe 'Activate Instance MSExchange' 'Files' 'se t path logs \D:\logs\adam\' 'quit' 'quit' You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing Log Path to D:\logs\adam failed. WARNING: Waiting for service 'Microsoft Exchange ADAM (ADAM_MSExchange)' to finish starting... Start-Service : Service 'Microsoft Exchange Transport (MSExchangeTransport)' st art failed. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:348 cha r:14 + start-service $EdgeTransportServiceName Reading the errors, we looked to see where dsdbutil.exe was installed - it was in C:\Windows\System32 instead of in C:\Windows\Adam. We tried copying dsdbutil.exe into the ADAM folder and ran the same powershell script again and got these errors: [PS] D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts.\ConfigureAdam.ps1 -ssl port:1499 -logpath:D:\logs\adam ERROR reading resource file. Exiting. You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing SSL Port to 1499 failed. ERROR reading resource file. Exiting. You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:94 char :25 + if($log.ToString( ).ToUpper().Contains(SUCCESSFULLY)) Changing Log Path to D:\logs\adam failed. WARNING: Waiting for service 'Microsoft Exchange ADAM (ADAM_MSExchange)' to finish starting... Start-Service : Service 'Microsoft Exchange Transport (MSExchangeTransport)' st art failed. At D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts\ConfigureAdam.ps1:348 cha r:14 + start-service $EdgeTransportServiceName [PS] D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Exchange Server\Scripts Do we need an updated version of ConfigureAdam.ps1? (We looked for a ConfigureADLDS.ps1, it wasn't there. G) Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks very much for your time. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
SCR will work just fine with SBS 2008, which has Exchange 2007 in it. The company would need to purchase another Windows Server license and another Exchange Server license (but no additional CALs) to host the SCR target. The word enterprise is a funny word. I provide support from hosted Exchange clients with 3 seats of Exchange up to departments in Universities with several thousand seats. In every single one of my clients, I'm the only one that knows PowerShell. If they can't get something out of a script, or out of a tool, they'll call me to write it. Which, of course, I'm happy to do. Now, even larger folks bring me in from time-to-time just to validate their designs. Most of them DO have PowerShell experience in at least one person. But I wouldn't say it is the norm. YMMV. -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? No, you are thinking of small business server, and I d�t believe SCR will work with that. Every average Exchange 2007 admin I know has a substantial amount of Powershell knowledge. Some more than others, but I have a hard time imagining an enterprise rollout of 2007 without some people ( or better a group of peoples) knowing Powershell. -troy -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the ���database portabili� camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few ���set-storagegrou�,set-mailboxdatabasesmount-databas, andmove-mailbo�configurationonl --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From: Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that���s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware c�t take over if it c�t handle the loa IMHO. YMMV. From: 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
I guess I would question why a novice admin would be expected to handle a disaster recovery scenario in that Exchange environment. I'm not trying to start an arguement, just stating that the recovery mechanisms built into Exchange, while less user-friendly, can be pre-architected and documented for each environment so that even a novice admin can go through a checklist of procedures to recover. If that's still too much for that novice admin to handle, then maybe SCR isn't the right solution to meet your available skillset and SLA. After all, you get what you pay for. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Yea, I can see a novice popping open PS and his documentation on his desk while the mail system is down and his boss hanging over his shoulder peppering him with questions why his mail system is down and what went wrong That's gonna go over really well. What I'm saying is the east of use. E2K7 for the novice to medium level admin is not easy to use is all I'm saying. _ John Bowles -- *From:* Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:16:45 PM *Subject:* Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Ideally, all of the powershell scripts would be created and documented as part of your disaster recovery plan. Any novice admin should be able to read your well formatted and detailed instructions for handling a specific type of failure and execute the appropriate script...right? ;-) Or you could spend thousands of dollars on DoubleTake for a nice comfortable GUI to play with. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.comwrote: Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles -- *From:* Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the “database portability” camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few “set-storagegroups”, “set-mailboxdatabases”, ”mount-database”, and “move-mailbox –configurationonly” --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) *From:* Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that’s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.commich...@theessentialexchange..com] *Sent:* 11 March 2009 14:54 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can’t take over if it can’t handle the load… IMHO. YMMV. *From:* 8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *jond *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? For the people here using SCR in Exchange 2007 SP1, what kind of hardware are you using relative to your production exchange boxes? Are you finding that as long as you have enough hard drive space, that processor and ram don't really matter or did you simply decide to run identical hardware on both production and on the SCR server? Thanks in advance, Jon ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
A much nicer way to achieve the point I was looking for. Guess I need more coffee in the morning. Thanks Sean -Original Message- From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? I guess I would question why a novice admin would be expected to handle a disaster recovery scenario in that Exchange environment. I'm not trying to start an arguement, just stating that the recovery mechanisms built into Exchange, while less user-friendly, can be pre-architected and documented for each environment so that even a novice admin can go through a checklist of procedures to recover. If that's still too much for that novice admin to handle, then maybe SCR isn't the right solution to meet your available skillset and SLA. After all, you get what you pay for. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Yea, I can see a novice popping open PS and his documentation on his desk while the mail system is down and his boss hanging over his shoulder peppering him with questions why his mail system is down and what went wrong That's gonna go over really well. What I'm saying is the east of use. E2K7 for the novice to medium level admin is not easy to use is all I'm saying. _ John Bowles From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:16:45 PM Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Ideally, all of the powershell scripts would be created and documented as part of your disaster recovery plan. Any novice admin should be able to read your well formatted and detailed instructions for handling a specific type of failure and execute the appropriate script...right? ;-) Or you could spend thousands of dollars on DoubleTake for a nice comfortable GUI to play with. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the database portability camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few set-storagegroups, set-mailboxdatabases, mount-database, and move-mailbox -configurationonly --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From: Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that's been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange..com ] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR
Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
There are plenty of companies out there that have one MBX server and have a DR site. When you have scenario's like that there are plenty of people who manage these boxes that are under-qualified to handle E2K7. I work for a consulting firm that performs this function for these type's of companies. I might know what I'm doing.. but as soon as I leave the exAdmin or Network Admin is going to be shelling out bricks from his/her rear end. Yea, great for my company cause they will be calling us... but it's bad for business if the product is too hard for the average joe to manage. _ John Bowles From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:52:56 PM Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? I guess I would question why a novice admin would be expected to handle a disaster recovery scenario in that Exchange environment. I'm not trying to start an arguement, just stating that the recovery mechanisms built into Exchange, while less user-friendly, can be pre-architected and documented for each environment so that even a novice admin can go through a checklist of procedures to recover. If that's still too much for that novice admin to handle, then maybe SCR isn't the right solution to meet your available skillset and SLA. After all, you get what you pay for. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo..com wrote: Yea, I can see a novice popping open PS and his documentation on his desk while the mail system is down and his boss hanging over his shoulder peppering him with questions why his mail system is down and what went wrong That's gonna go over really well. What I'm saying is the east of use. E2K7 for the novice to medium level admin is not easy to use is all I'm saying. _ John Bowles From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:16:45 PM Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Ideally, all of the powershell scripts would be created and documented as part of your disaster recovery plan.. Any novice admin should be able to read your well formatted and detailed instructions for handling a specific type of failure and execute the appropriate script...right? ;-) Or you could spend thousands of dollars on DoubleTake for a nice comfortable GUI to play with. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the “database portability” camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few “set-storagegroups”, “set-mailboxdatabases”, ”mount-database”, and “move-mailbox –configurationonly” --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From:Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that’s been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date.. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? When I recommend someone to deploy SCR, I recommend identical hardware. The general goal of SCR is fault tolerance and site resilience. The SCR hardware can’t take over if it can’t handle the load… IMHO. YMMV. From:8400...@gmail.com [mailto:8400...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of jond Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange
RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware?
If an organization large enough to justify remote-site replication and redundant hardware is down to one novice Exchange admin to handle the recovery, it's time to pay for the call to PSS. -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? A much nicer way to achieve the point I was looking for. Guess I need more coffee in the morning. Thanks Sean -Original Message- From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? I guess I would question why a novice admin would be expected to handle a disaster recovery scenario in that Exchange environment. I'm not trying to start an arguement, just stating that the recovery mechanisms built into Exchange, while less user-friendly, can be pre-architected and documented for each environment so that even a novice admin can go through a checklist of procedures to recover. If that's still too much for that novice admin to handle, then maybe SCR isn't the right solution to meet your available skillset and SLA. After all, you get what you pay for. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Yea, I can see a novice popping open PS and his documentation on his desk while the mail system is down and his boss hanging over his shoulder peppering him with questions why his mail system is down and what went wrong That's gonna go over really well. What I'm saying is the east of use. E2K7 for the novice to medium level admin is not easy to use is all I'm saying. _ John Bowles From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:16:45 PM Subject: Re: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Ideally, all of the powershell scripts would be created and documented as part of your disaster recovery plan. Any novice admin should be able to read your well formatted and detailed instructions for handling a specific type of failure and execute the appropriate script...right? ;-) Or you could spend thousands of dollars on DoubleTake for a nice comfortable GUI to play with. - Sean On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Bowles john_bow...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any reason that MS hasn't made this more of an automated process without going into PS and ripping through the command line while you're Exchange boxes are down? I don't see the benefit in SCR when it comes up time unless you have some guy on staff making 6 digits that knows a great deal about PS. If you take an average ExAdmin and throw E2K7 and they require site resiliency.. I can see an admin drowning with all the command line info you need to remember to move everything over. The last time I checked the whole idea around Windows was to make everything easier for people.. it seems they're going in the opposite direction with their new puppy. Just my opinion. _ John Bowles From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:30:32 AM Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? See, I fall directly into the database portability camp. Who wants to do a /RecoverCMS when you can just do a few set-storagegroups, set-mailboxdatabases, mount-database, and move-mailbox -configurationonly --- and I can script the entire thing ahead of time! The only downtime is DNS TTL across sites and you have the same issue with single-node clusters. (Granted, this presumes Outlook 2007 or higher in the environment.) From: Neil Hobson [mailto:nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 SCR -- Hardware? Yep, that's been the case with all of my SCR deployments to date. The only slight difference with some designs is that the standby cluster is sometimes just a single node cluster (initially, anyway) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com
Exchange 2007 and VMWare
All- I've been tasked to research E2K7 and VMWare. I know VMWare say's they support this type of installation.. but what I'm looking for is people that actually have this type of setup in their environment or have set this up in someone's environment. Has anyone had success with this design scenario? Were there any gotcha's? How does well does it work with HA? TIA, _ John Bowles ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 and VMWare
I am, I virtualized E2k7 and moved about 225 mailboxes from our Physical E2k3 box. I have had no issues whatsoever with the VM portion, E2k7 is another kettle of fish altogether, I think it's time to go out and purchase a book. ___ Stefan Jafs -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 and VMWare All- I've been tasked to research E2K7 and VMWare. I know VMWare say's they support this type of installation.. but what I'm looking for is people that actually have this type of setup in their environment or have set this up in someone's environment. Has anyone had success with this design scenario? Were there any gotcha's? How does well does it work with HA? TIA, _ John Bowles ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 and VMWare
You can either use VMware's HA or Exchange's HA - but not both. Note that that is the Microsoft support position and not VMware's. Exchange 2007 works just fine in a virtualized environment. I've got a number of deployments out there. Depending on I/O requirements and I/O availability from your disk solution, you might consider putting the mailbox role on physical hardware and everything else on virtual. -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 and VMWare All- I've been tasked to research E2K7 and VMWare. I know VMWare say's they support this type of installation.. but what I'm looking for is people that actually have this type of setup in their environment or have set this up in someone's environment. Has anyone had success with this design scenario? Were there any gotcha's? How does well does it work with HA? TIA, _ John Bowles ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 and VMWare
Btw All VMware HA gives you is single point of failure protection at the ESX host level. If the host where the exchange VM lives crashes all the guests living on that host get booted and powered on in another host in the cluster. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 and VMWare You can either use VMware's HA or Exchange's HA - but not both. Note that that is the Microsoft support position and not VMware's. Exchange 2007 works just fine in a virtualized environment. I've got a number of deployments out there. Depending on I/O requirements and I/O availability from your disk solution, you might consider putting the mailbox role on physical hardware and everything else on virtual. -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 and VMWare All- I've been tasked to research E2K7 and VMWare. I know VMWare say's they support this type of installation.. but what I'm looking for is people that actually have this type of setup in their environment or have set this up in someone's environment. Has anyone had success with this design scenario? Were there any gotcha's? How does well does it work with HA? TIA, _ John Bowles ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 and VMWare
I clustered Exchange 2007 in ESX with two separate physical hosts. ESX1 = Exchange Node 1 ESX2 = Exchange Node 2 All storage is on a NetApp back end. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 and VMWare Btw All VMware HA gives you is single point of failure protection at the ESX host level. If the host where the exchange VM lives crashes all the guests living on that host get booted and powered on in another host in the cluster. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 and VMWare You can either use VMware's HA or Exchange's HA - but not both. Note that that is the Microsoft support position and not VMware's. Exchange 2007 works just fine in a virtualized environment. I've got a number of deployments out there. Depending on I/O requirements and I/O availability from your disk solution, you might consider putting the mailbox role on physical hardware and everything else on virtual. -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 and VMWare All- I've been tasked to research E2K7 and VMWare. I know VMWare say's they support this type of installation.. but what I'm looking for is people that actually have this type of setup in their environment or have set this up in someone's environment. Has anyone had success with this design scenario? Were there any gotcha's? How does well does it work with HA? TIA, _ John Bowles ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
Whoa seems like Ive got quite a few replies. I think I'll look into Untangled and Ninja, as they seem to be the general vibe of everyone. If either of those don't wont, im going to have to bite the bullet and put a linux box in and set up mail scanner and such. I may be the linux activist at the office here, but the extra work is just a pain in the ass. Daniel -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
Ok, I'll consider myself suitably chastised for using the word worthless - oh, that's right, I DID NOT use that word - unless of course worthless is a synonym for free - in which case, I'm not sure I'd consider using worthless software. Seriously, I only meant to indicate that a collection of free software like what was mentioned would likely take more (likely far more) setup/tuning time than a purchased system and that the installer/admin/support person's time makes it not exactly free. One of the great things about this list is (I think) the opportunity to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:03 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: I think the point was that the above sounds like a extended nightmare to many of us (At least me), compared to something like clicking Next, Next, Ok, Finish with something like Ninja. I haven't used Ninja, but I've never seen *any* non-trivial product that was as easy as clicking Next, Next, Next, Finish. Well, I've seen lots of people who *think* that's how it works. When I was consulting, I was often called in to clean up the mess that sort of person left behind. This is not to say that free or Free software is always a good solution. Certainly, if it's a Unix-based solution and one has zero Unix experience, there's going to be a significant learning curve, same as with any new OS platform. Just that saying X is only free if your time is worthless is misleading, because, e.g., Windows Server is only $800/box if your time is worthless, too. :) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
Untangle is a Linux box snicker. -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam Whoa seems like Ive got quite a few replies. I think I'll look into Untangled and Ninja, as they seem to be the general vibe of everyone. If either of those don't wont, im going to have to bite the bullet and put a linux box in and set up mail scanner and such. I may be the linux activist at the office here, but the extra work is just a pain in the ass. Daniel -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Filtering Spam
Clearly I am stupid and have no read up about any of this software yet :-P Can I ask peoples opinion on using Spam Assassin vs. Ninja (he-ya!) Daniel On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Untangle is a Linux box snicker. -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam Whoa seems like Ive got quite a few replies. I think I'll look into Untangled and Ninja, as they seem to be the general vibe of everyone. If either of those don't wont, im going to have to bite the bullet and put a linux box in and set up mail scanner and such. I may be the linux activist at the office here, but the extra work is just a pain in the ass. Daniel -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Filtering Spam
And assp will run on Windows too. :-) -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Filtering Spam Untangle is a Linux box snicker. -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Filtering Spam Whoa seems like Ive got quite a few replies. I think I'll look into Untangled and Ninja, as they seem to be the general vibe of everyone. If either of those don't wont, im going to have to bite the bullet and put a linux box in and set up mail scanner and such. I may be the linux activist at the office here, but the extra work is just a pain in the ass. Daniel -Original Message- From: Daniel Hood [mailto:dsmh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Filtering Spam Hey, I'm looking for a good open-source/free product that we can use in conjuction with our exchange server to filter out spam. We did have mailwasher but due to the opensource version being crap and the enterprise version costing as much as putting an entire detriot high school through college, I'm looking for another free/open-source spam product that actually works. Ideas? Daniel ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exchange 2007 and VMWare
Interesting statement... Depending on the I/O availability from the disk solution would be a matter of concern in a virtual and physical deployment, not just in the virtual. In all tests that I've performed I/O has not been a concern for going physical over virtual. IMO the only concern for virtualizing (on VMware at least) would be for deployments where it is desired to exceed the 4 CPU limitation of the virtual machine or Windows 2008 fail-over clusters are desired. -alex ps/ maybe i'm bias...;-) On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com wrote: You can either use VMware's HA or Exchange's HA - but not both. Note that that is the Microsoft support position and not VMware's. Exchange 2007 works just fine in a virtualized environment. I've got a number of deployments out there. Depending on I/O requirements and I/O availability from your disk solution, you might consider putting the mailbox role on physical hardware and everything else on virtual. -Original Message- From: John Bowles [mailto:john_bow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 and VMWare All- I've been tasked to research E2K7 and VMWare. I know VMWare say's they support this type of installation.. but what I'm looking for is people that actually have this type of setup in their environment or have set this up in someone's environment. Has anyone had success with this design scenario? Were there any gotcha's? How does well does it work with HA? TIA, _ John Bowles ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: A very odd problem...
Anyone? Bueller? After lots of fiddling, still no success. Can do the backups manually, but the batchfile tanks. I've even regenerated the .bks file. Kurt On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:05, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: All, In my UK office, I've got three servers - a DC, a file server and an E2k3 server - all are SP2 R2. There is no AV running on the Exchange server. The file server has an external LTO3 tape drive attached to it, and for about a year it was working just fine pulling backups from the Exchange server - I installed the ESM on it for just this purpose. The DC is doing a system state backup to a share the file server. However, the NTBackup batch job that I'm running to pull the Exchange backup to the file server's tape drive has recently stopped working . I was able to get it going again last month by rebooting the Exchange server, but it was failing with this error message: The requested media failed to mount. The operation was aborted. The operation was ended. I am able to pull a backup by manually starting the wizard as the same user that the scheduled batch file was using and specifying the Exchange server's storage group. But when running as a batch file, whether launching the batch file manually or as a scheduled task, it fails to pull the backup of the Exchange server. The batch file backs up the entire file server first, then goes to the Exchange server. I just tried launching the batch file again, and the error message I got this time is different, but still a failure: The network disk drive has stopped responding. Backup set aborted. I'm not finding anything on google, either - most were regarding SBS, and pre-SP1 at that, and the rest don't seem to fit my circumstances. Any help much appreciated. Thanks, Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: A very odd problem...
Thats why I quit using NT Backup. Seen it too many times, not enough hours in the day to chase it. M - Original Message - From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: A very odd problem... Anyone? Bueller? After lots of fiddling, still no success. Can do the backups manually, but the batchfile tanks. I've even regenerated the .bks file. Kurt On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:05, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: All, In my UK office, I've got three servers - a DC, a file server and an E2k3 server - all are SP2 R2. There is no AV running on the Exchange server. The file server has an external LTO3 tape drive attached to it, and for about a year it was working just fine pulling backups from the Exchange server - I installed the ESM on it for just this purpose. The DC is doing a system state backup to a share the file server. However, the NTBackup batch job that I'm running to pull the Exchange backup to the file server's tape drive has recently stopped working . I was able to get it going again last month by rebooting the Exchange server, but it was failing with this error message: The requested media failed to mount. The operation was aborted. The operation was ended. I am able to pull a backup by manually starting the wizard as the same user that the scheduled batch file was using and specifying the Exchange server's storage group. But when running as a batch file, whether launching the batch file manually or as a scheduled task, it fails to pull the backup of the Exchange server. The batch file backs up the entire file server first, then goes to the Exchange server. I just tried launching the batch file again, and the error message I got this time is different, but still a failure: The network disk drive has stopped responding. Backup set aborted. I'm not finding anything on google, either - most were regarding SBS, and pre-SP1 at that, and the rest don't seem to fit my circumstances. Any help much appreciated. Thanks, Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Virtual vs Physical for E2K7 Mailbox Server
I have 2 x HP BL680 G5 E7450 2P 8G Servers to use as either - Clustered mailbox server using CCR or configure as ESX virtual hosts to support virtual mail box server/s Looking for a recommendation on which way to go... thanks in advance Brian -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the BCEC Security Gateway, and is believed to be clean. Brisbane Catholic Education however gives no warranties that this e-mail is free from computer viruses or other defects. Except for responsibilities implied by law that cannot be excluded, Brisbane Catholic Education, its employees and agents will not be responsible for any loss, damage or consequence arising from this e-mail. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
