Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Hi All, Thanks to Benjamin for the tip on XFCE it's quick and clean but I have one small problem with it. I am not sure whether specific to my installation or whether anyone else is seeing it; I open the file manager and open say /usr/bin when I try and scroll the list of files it seems to do it in jumps with long period 5-6 second between jumps the problem is even worse on a mounted CD. I know /usr/bin is a large directory and even ls shows some delay before listing it and that CDROMS are slow devices but what I am seeing make the file manager almost unusable on any directory with a significant number of entries. Has anyone else seen this behaviour??? Can it be fixed?? Regards, Colin Close
[expert] XFree-4.0.{1,2} completely freezes computer
Hi, After working a while , X server completely freezes , so the only thing I can do is to push power button. I was trying it with different kernels ( 2.2.17,2.4.0,2.4.1,2.4.2 ) and different environments (KDE and GNOME) . Nothing matters. I have a dual SuperMicro 370DLE board with 2xPIII-800 , 256Mb , 30Gb IMB HD , Voodoo3-3000 PCI. I'm running Mandrake-7.2 Somebody has any clue ? Thanks, Uri
Re: [expert] Upgrade from PII to Duron causes 7.2 and install CDs to fail
FYI, I also replaced my old video cards with a single GeForce 2 MX. Thanks, Mike Hello all, I recently replaced the motherboard and CPU of my Pentium II 400 system with an AMD Athlon 900 running a VIA KT133A chipset motherboard. Windows loads and detects the new drivers, and with some fiddling, works fine - so I'm quite confident the hardware itself is installed and working properly. However Linux Mandrake 7.2 just stops (no error messages) after `loading module dependencies [OK]' during bootup. I had a feeling this might have been to do with Mandrake installing a Intel Optimized kernel, so I went to use my install CDs. The install simply pauses during `Please Wait'. Again ,there's no error message provided. That the system is failing is fine, but the lack of error messages in both cases ois fairly poor in my opinion as it makes it difficult for me and anyone else on this list. Could anyone please help me? The situation is getting desperate. Thanks, Mike -- Mike MacCana Support Consultant C Y B E R S O U R C E Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000 Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998
[expert] Upgrade from PII to Duron causes 7.2 and install CDs to fail
Hello all, I recently replaced the motherboard and CPU of my Pentium II 400 system with an AMD Athlon 900 running a VIA KT133A chipset motherboard. Windows loads and detects the new drivers, and with some fiddling, works fine - so I'm quite confident the hardware itself is installed and working properly. However Linux Mandrake 7.2 just stops (no error messages) after `loading module dependencies [OK]' during bootup. I had a feeling this might have been to do with Mandrake installing a Intel Optimized kernel, so I went to use my install CDs. The install simply pauses during `Please Wait'. Again ,there's no error message provided. That the system is failing is fine, but the lack of error messages in both cases ois fairly poor in my opinion as it makes it difficult for me and anyone else on this list. Could anyone please help me? The situation is getting desperate. Thanks, Mike -- Mike MacCanaSupport Consultant C Y B E R S O U R C E Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000 Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998
Re: [expert] KDE startup crash
Hi Jason! Thanks for the tip! But I think my KDE problem is more fundamental, and starts even before ksplash and any applets etc are loaded. 'cause KDE never actually starts and I get the error Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed KCrash: crashing crashRecursionCounter = 2 KCrash: Application Name = ksplash path = unknown ... ... ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Trying to launch kdeinit. ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication. Suggestions are welcome! Best regards /Robert Jason Stegman wrote: I had similar problems with kicker when upgrading to 2.1. The problem was that 2.1 didn't like some applet specified in the kickerrc file. so I created a new user an copied his kickerrc file over to my (changed permissions) and kicker worked, barring some iffy applets here and there. you could try this with the apps that kde is complaining about. the kde rc files are in /home/username/.kde/share/config/. -jason Robert Johansson wrote: Hi all! I have installed KDE 2.1 and QT 2.2.4 from rpms. When I try to launch KDE I get the following error: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed save location /home/robjo442/.kde/share/config/ doesn't exist KCrash: crashing crashRecursionCounter = 2 KCrash: Application Name = ksplash path = unknown Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed save location /home/robjo442/.kde/share/config/ doesn't exist ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Trying to launch kdeinit. kdeinit: Shutting down running client. ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Trying to launch kdeinit. kdeinit: Shutting down running client. ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Trying to launch kdeinit. kdeinit: Shutting down running client. (repeats 4 ever) finally I kill kdeinit manually from prompt and get: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Trying to launch kdeinit. ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication. KCrash: crashing crashRecursionCounter = 2 KCrash: Application Name = ksmserver path = unknown save location /home/robjo442/.kde/share/config/ doesn't exist Anyone knows what's wrong and what steps can be taken to solve this? Thank you! /Robert
Re: [expert] startx starting wrong WM
On Saturday 17 March 2001 00:18, you wrote: I don't have a .xinitrc. So I think the reason it's defaulting to Gnome is because it gets listed first by '/usr/sbin/chksession -l', so what I need is a way to restore KDE to the top spot. /etc/X11/wmsession.d lists 01KDE then 02Gnome, but that doesn't seem to affect chksession directly. And the /etc/X11/window-managers file mentioned in man chksession doesn't exist, so I can only assume Mandrake looks for some other file which isn't documented. check the contents of /etc/sysconfig/desktop The same thing happened to me when I installed Helix Gnome. -- Alex Kernel Panic is General Failure's second in command
Re: [expert] Basic on Linux
The compiler still wouldn't create native linux apps though. Everything you compile this way will have to be executed in dosemu. On 2001.03.19 01:49 Bug Hunter wrote: Freedos works in a "dos box" under linux (also xdos in xwindows), and you could run the program in it, perhaps On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Boddhisatva Troutwaxer wrote: On the subject of VBASIC in Linux, does anyone know if the shareware BASIC compiler for DOS called ASIC has been ported over to Linux? I know its a slim chance, but that particular program was simple to use and created very fast, small code. Alex -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:20135549 Belgiumtel:++3289856533 cellular: ++32496737018 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org 1010011010 : Binary of the Beast
Re: [expert] libpng error: Call to NULL read function
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Erik Gnther wrote: I did some search on the internet (deja, google, altavisa) and no hits! Are I the first person in the world that hit this problem? The line 'Call to NULL read function' did I found i one of the sorcefiles to libpng. Hi I'm having som truble with libpng. I have installed nautilus 1.0 but can't run it because it says: $ nautilus libpng error: Call to NULL read function Segmentation fault This problem is not only for nautilus I have som other programs that says the same error message and dies. So what is the problem? and how do I fix it? I started with LM7.2 and installed the packege found on rpmfind.net for Mandrake Cooker when thay wasn't compiled for GLIB2_2. Those package did I compiled my self (rpm --rebuild). -- /EgU * Erik (EgU) Gnther can be found at: Netch Technologies AB | www.ludat.lth.se/~dat94egu +46 (0)46 - 272 46 35 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Fortune: If you learn one useless thing every day, in a single year you'll learn 365 useless things.
Re: [expert] LM7.1 is better than 7.2 rant
Similar stuff here. CUPS didn't work. Now it does, but don't ask me what I've done to get it working, because I don't know, really. Just deinstalled and reinstalled it, and now it works. The screenshooter-applet (gnome) which always worked fine now produces jpegs 15 times bigger than before, which no graphical application can seem to recognise. The nVidia drivers which always worked perfectly before, fail to work now for OpenGL. Except in KDE. Well, I don't want to switch back and forth from one WM to the other just to play a game. Besides, it should work in gnome as well. Right now it only works in KDE; not even in plain X. I could go on, but you're getting the point... All the stuff I liked to use a lot under 7.1, and which at that time worked perfectly, is now broken. I have no clue what the heck went wrong. The only difference with previous installs is that I just chose to install everything, since I got 2 new 45GB drives, and didn't feel like having to wade trough the whole app-list at install time. Perhaps that's my whole problem. Perhaps LM just isn't intended to be installed completely since it might break things. Heck, do I know. If that's the problem, then why don't the packages complain about broken dependency conflicts or stuff? No clue. Hey, it might just be me. Perhaps it's something I did wrong at install time. Although I'm seriously wondering what the heck one can do wrong by inserting a bootable CD, choosing the partitions to install on, and selecting "install everything"... Oh, well... I'll try to deinstall and reinstall some more apps, see it it helps. And if not... There's always 8.0 when it comes out. On 2001.03.19 02:55 Clint Olson wrote: Hi, I just wanted to have a little rant. Awhile ago I installed LM7.1 and it worked great. It recognized all of my hardware and ran all of my software. Granted, It wouldn't run X4.0 (so I couldn't use my GeForce2 MX on my other machine), and KDE 1 was a bit clunky, but it worked fine. Hardware: 128 Megs of RAM in DIMMS AMD K6-2 366 MHz 1.2 Gig HD (hda) 20 Gig HD (hdb) Generic ATAPI 48x CDROM (hdc) ATI Expert@Play 98 PCI video Sound Blaster 16 ViBRA16x (ISA PnP) Boca 33.6 Modem (ISA PnP) Netgear FA310TX PCI Network Card Generic Serial Mouse Enter 7.2. First, I tried upgrading, and royally messed things up. I then proceeded to wipe and reload. It installed fine, and I set LOADLIN to boot it. (side note: I keep Windoze on hda. Root is hdb2. I like the menu system that Windoze 98 provides) After booting into Linux, I noticed several things. First, cups ( :^P ) had lots of drivers for my HP 932C. Second, none of them worked. On 7.1 I used the 550C drivers (lp) to print to my 932 without a problem. Now, none of the drivers work (not even the 550C ones). "Oh well," I thought, "I can do without a printer." Next, I noticed that sound was not working. In 7.1 this had set up automatically. Since my card is a common SB16, I tried setting it up here. It totally failed to autodetect the settings. It was only recently that I tried changing the IRQ to 5 (5 wasn't even on the dropdown list, and it's 9 under Win95). Now sound works, although MIDI still is out (no biggie). The final straw, though, was that it completely missed my modem. When I run HardDrake, it says it detects to ISA PnP cards: SB16 BocaModem. However, when I look through the hardware list, it doesn't even show up! I have the modem setup (hardware) to be TtyS1, so I *should* be able to just "echo ATDT ###" to /dev/TtyS1and hear it dial, or tell Minicom to use TtyS1 and have that work. When I "echo ATDT ###" to TtyS0 (my serial mouse), I at least see the cursor jump if I have gpm running. This makes Linux almost unusable for me, as I can't get any work done under it (no printing or Internet). I am very much looking forward to 8.0 and hope that there problems will be fixed. Clint Olson CO-n-Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:20135549 Belgiumtel:++3289856533 cellular: ++32496737018 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org 1010011010 : Binary of the Beast
Re: [expert] Multimedia Mdk 8.0
I use a program called "lamp" for the avis. Just search on freshmeat; it's listed. You could also try the open DivX stuff at http://www.opendivx.com and see if it works for you. They have this xmps avi plugin which doesn't seem to do anything here. In fact, xmps doesn't do much over here, it did work on 7.1 though... But lotsa stuff broke since I upgraded to 7.2. Perhaps you're more luchy than I am and can get it to actually display something. On 2001.03.19 03:04 Ron Heron wrote: Hello, First - the 8.0 XMMS-Mpg is OUTSTANDING! Until now, I had used MpegTV (and paid for it) for Mpeg viewing. Now, what about AVI? I had used avifile, but am having dependancy/library problems. On 7.2, avifile worked great, and supported most of the codecs. So, what's everybody using for AVI's? Also, what can be used for asf? Anyone got Konq or netscape to work on Windows Media Player broadcast sites? Thanks, Ron = ^C quit :q exit ? help shit __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:20135549 Belgiumtel:++3289856533 cellular: ++32496737018 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org 1010011010 : Binary of the Beast
RE: [expert] BT848A and ftp client
Mandrake wouldnt let me use my Win TV since 7.2. RH 7.1b and xawtv work quite well though. KwinTV has real probs here too though. Brian -Original Message- From: Wayne Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] BT848A and ftp client All, I havea bt848a capture card and cannot get any of the linux software to work with it. None of them let me change any settings, channels etc and kwintv keeps crashing. Any ideas? Also, anyone know a good ftp client? Wayne _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
RE: [expert] hi all
Beta 2... Well first off, supermount is now a default. I could find no way to tell the installer no. After disc 1 was done installing, it kept my cdrom locked, and I ended up having to say cancel to the rest of the install of progs. The installer is good, the graphical bootup is real sharp. It still refuses to install correctly on my second hd (as beta 1 did as well). KDE control panel seems buggy again (for me). Other than that, real nice. Brian -Original Message- From: deepc0ver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] hi all Hiya There, i've tried out the first beta of Mandrake 8.0 is there anyone who tried beta2? is it better? anyways the new nvidia drivers are cool ! i've just installed them to my 7.2 mandrake box and it's stable and fast. by deepc0ver
RE: [expert] BT848A and ftp client
Well, The betas 1 and 2 of MDK 8.0 have recognized well my Avermedia TVCapture 98; under 7.2 I have to introduce some changes in modules.conf: "alias char-major-81 bttv options bttv card=13 options tuner type=5" You need see the bttv documents to know what is your card number and tuner type; in the docs installed with 7.2 you can see the appropriate parameters. I suppose you are running 7.2, if you have 7.1 is a little bet more complicated, but just add some more lines and the card numbers are different (probably due to use a older bttv version). To do that, better you can try using insmod and different parameters and just include in your modules.conf when you were sure they work. For example: A) first you shoul remove the modules, because they will be previously loaded by mandrake (you can see this using lsmod from a konsole). B) Under 7.2, type from a konsole: rmmod bttv, rmmod tuner (in this order). C) now you can try: insmod tuner type=x (x is the number, you can try 1 to 5..., depends of philips-themic mode) and then: insmod bttv card=13. D) with 7.1 I had also to load the stereo sound module: insmod smp3400, but perhaps it isn't necesary under 7.2. E) Perhaps in the file /etc/modules you do need to include a line for bttv It is necessary to MDK 7.2 have the apropriate card and tuner type, if not you couldn't see and hear anything. I hope this help you. Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) - Mensaje Original - Remitente: Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Lunes, Marzo 19, 2001 1:08 pm Asunto: RE: [expert] BT848A and ftp client Mandrake wouldnt let me use my Win TV since 7.2. RH 7.1b and xawtv work quite well though. KwinTV has real probs here too though. Brian -Original Message- From: Wayne Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] BT848A and ftp client All, I havea bt848a capture card and cannot get any of the linux software to work with it. None of them let me change any settings, channels etc and kwintv keeps crashing. Any ideas? Also, anyone know a good ftp client? Wayne _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [expert] drivers for photo quality with HP-832c
Here ya go, chap. Try this link: http://hp-linux.cern.ch/support/devprint.php3 It contains a link to: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi?make=HPformat=full which in turn links you to: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=250601 Seems like it's mostly working, but with some annoying bugs still. On 2001.03.18 00:31 Hugh wrote: Does anyone know of drivers that can be loaded that would allow an HP-832c to pring photos of good quality? -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:20135549 Belgiumtel:++3289856533 cellular: ++32496737018 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org 1010011010 : Binary of the Beast
[expert] regarding video card.
Doees linux mandrake 7.2 support Asus AGP 7100 GeForce 2 MX chipset video card..i have went to Linux mandrake hardware compatible list to refer ,and i can tfind the exactly name for my video card.so could your please check it for me.because i have to take decision to buy it or not..Hope you will reply me soon.. Thanks for your help.
[expert] Linux RAID capabilities
Sirs, I am currently planning out a machine to be used when Mandrake 8.0 appears in full. In addition to the standard SCSI drives I will be using, I want to toss in two IDE 20 GB drives in a mirrored RAID. Basically, what I want to know is does Linux support a software RAID? If so, how do I configure it? If someone here could let me know of this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
Re: [expert] Linux RAID capabilities
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:31, Lyric wrote: Basically, what I want to know is does Linux support a software RAID? If so, how do I configure it? I would start my search here: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Delta: A real man lands where he wants to. -- David Letterman
Re: Re [expert] No exit from Evolution WM:
At 04:38 PM 3/17/2001 -0600, Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear Michael and friends: No, in Mandrake, at the console type: startx Evolution and you'll get the Evolution window manager. It's also listed in the graphical login menu. I am afraid I must agree with Michael. There is NO Evolution window manager. Evolution is a groupware app designed to be an Outlook killer. There IS an enlightenment window manager that comes with Mandrake. Enlightenment is a very very pretty window manager, but it is simply a window manager, there is no concept of "logging out" because there is nothing to log out of. It is not a GNOME or KDE still desktop (at least not yet, check out www.enlightenment.org to see what Rasterman has been doing in with this project.) In order to play with enlightenment, ie kill a session, add windows, run an app, add a dock, add the panel viewer, etc, right click or left click on the background. Clicking on the background brings up the two menus you can use to customize and navigate the window manager. It is a powerful window manager and given some tweaking is jsut as useful as GNOME or KDE, but it is not a standalone desktop environment. It was the default window manager for GNOME for a long time, but they recently switched to sawfish. A note about Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. That combo kills the running X server instance, unless you have the "Don't Zap" line commented out in the XF86Config. It not only will work at runlevel 3 (drop you back to a command line after a "startx"), it will also work at runlevel 5, dropping you back to the initial graphical login. -- Matthew Micene Systems Development Manager Express Search Inc. www.ExpressSearch.com
RE: [expert] regarding video card.
Think you will find that to get it to work you will have to do the same as everyone else with a Nvidea chipset, go to their site and download their drivers... Its a pain and it can be fiddly, but its well worth it once you see it working. Frank Hauptle/ / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __--/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /-//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\Gshop Network Payment Solutions. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JoeSent: Monday, 19 March 2001 9:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [expert] regarding video card. Doees linux mandrake 7.2 support Asus AGP 7100 GeForce 2 MX chipset video card..i have went to Linux mandrake hardware compatible list to refer ,and i can tfind the exactly name for my video card.so could your please check it for me.because i have to take decision to buy it or not..Hope you will reply me soon.. Thanks for your help.
[expert] ifup user permissions - can anyone help?
Hi All, I would like to use the ifup script to estabilish ppp. (I would like to have a console-mode tool, otherwise I can use kppp...). If I become root, and do ifup ppp0, I have the connection just fine, which I can brake with ifdown ppp0. This is just what I wanted, except that it works only for root. How can I do that as a normal user? (I already tried to make the ifup script setuid root, or changed the group from root to "user", but it still does not allow me to use it. It says: "users cannor control this device". Can anyone help me with this basic linux question? TIA: -- Viktor
Re: [expert] OT: Databases
I think MySQL (included with MDK 7.2, probably earlier releases also) would fit your needs, running on the local workstation. It is open source, free, and (from what I have been told) has pretty good performance. Dave At 06:40 PM 03/18/2001 -0300, you wrote: Do you know which database engine can I use in my linux app. I need to make small databases, I don't want to use any sql server, I need local databases, like mdb or dbf. Thank you. -- Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.pupeno.com.ar Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc."Quid quid latine dictum sit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] altum viditur." (763) 569-9839
Re: [expert] Upgrade from PII to Duron causes 7.2 and install CDs to fail
On Monday 19 March 2001 17:50, Mike wrote:
FYI, I also replaced my old video cards with a single GeForce 2 MX.
Thanks,
Mike
For your peace of mind(??!!) My config consists of
MSI K7T mobo
{FYI!!
$lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0305 (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 8305 00:07.0 ISA
bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super] (rev 40) 00:07.1 IDE
interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586 IDE [Apollo] (rev 06) 00:07.2 USB
Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B USB (rev 16) 00:07.3 USB
Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B USB (rev 16) 00:07.4 Host
bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 40)
00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo
Super AC97/Audio] (rev 50)
$ cat /proc/nv/card0
- Driver Info -
NVRM Version: 1.0-767
-- Card Info --
Model:GeForce2 MX
IRQ: 10
-- AGP Info ---
AGP status: Enabled
AGP Driver: NVIDIA
Bridge: Via Apollo Pro KT133
SBA: Supported [disabled]
FW: Unsupported [disabled]
Rates:4x 2x 1x [4x]
Registers:0x1f000207:0x0104
}
(ripping along with Quake3 at 90fps with Nvidia's drivers)
AMD t'bird 850
and Mandrake 7.2 from the APC pbook.
Next option! ;-)
"The install simply pauses during `Please Wait'. Again ,there's no error
message provided."
At what point of the installation?
Cheers
Jason Houlihan
RHCE CCNA
Re: [expert] ifup user permissions - can anyone help?
Wild guess: try chmod +w on your modem device. I fixed it a while back, but I can't check what I did right now since the machine with the modem is at home, where I only live during the weekends. But I guess making your modem device world writable will be sufficient, guessing from the error message. On 2001.03.19 16:01 Viktor Lakics wrote: Hi All, I would like to use the ifup script to estabilish ppp. (I would like to have a console-mode tool, otherwise I can use kppp...). If I become root, and do ifup ppp0, I have the connection just fine, which I can brake with ifdown ppp0. This is just what I wanted, except that it works only for root. How can I do that as a normal user? (I already tried to make the ifup script setuid root, or changed the group from root to "user", but it still does not allow me to use it. It says: "users cannor control this device". Can anyone help me with this basic linux question? TIA: -- Viktor -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:20135549 Belgiumtel:++3289856533 cellular: ++32496737018 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org 1010011010 : Binary of the Beast
Re: [expert] Xfce menues?
Dear Mark: This must a bug on your system. I would suggest joining the xfce mailing list and ask one of the list members for help. I reall don't know what the problem is. I imagine you have the latest version. I just left-click on the xfce desktop and this brings up the menu, with full menus for KDE and Gnome. Wish I could help but that's all I understand. I am just an ordinary user. All my best. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Dear Colin and friends: Best thing to do if you have any problems with XFTree, xfce's limited file manager, is to add a menu entry to the toolbar/panel for Konqueror. In the command line type: kdesu /usr/bin/konqueror If you just type /usr/bin/konqueror, you will only be able to use Konqueror as a user. By adding kdesu as above, it will bring up a dialogue box. If you want to do any editing only in your home directory (as user), you can just click on "Ignore". If you want to use it as root, type in your password. Of course, just to see any file anywhere, you can still click Ignore and use it as user. By the way, you can this with any application and in any desktop, I imagine. kdesu is, after all, a KDE utility. You can do the same with the terminal. You can right-click on the big Xterm icon on the toolbar, and replace the command line with "konsole" and the label, too. This will bring up the much more useful "konsole". Once again, you can also type in the command line kdesu /usr/bin/konsole to have the option of using it as user or root. Or you can add Konsole as a menu entry to the XFCE toolbar/panel. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Xfce menues?
Benjamin, Would not know how to increase the fonts in the X-Term window in Xfce? Mine are so small I need a magnifying glass to read them. -Original Message - From: Benjamin Sher To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:50:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [expert] Xfce menues? Dear Mark: This must a bug on your system. I would suggest joining the xfce mailing list and ask one of the list members for help. I reall don't know what the problem is. I imagine you have the latest version. I just left-click on the xfce desktop and this brings up the menu, with full menus for KDE and Gnome. Wish I could help but that's all I understand. I am just an ordinary user. All my best. Benjamin -- David Boles [EMAIL PROTECTED] My GnuPG Key ID: 78A3ABD0
[expert] Mandrake 8.0 Xfree version
Does xfree86 3.3.6 still ship with mandrake 8.0 as my card is not supported by the 4.0.x series yet -- Microsoft is not the answer, its the question. And the answer is no. www.badran.co.uk
Re: RE: [expert] ATI Radeon - hardware acceleration
You can check to see if DRI is enabled in Xfree86 by checking your Xfree86 config file. You should have a line that states: Load "DRI" However, I do not know if the radeon is currently supported for DRI. Sorry in that respect. Best of luck! I think I saw something about XFree 4.0.3 (just released a few days ago) supporting DRI on ATI Radeon.
Re: RE: [expert] ATI Radeon - hardware acceleration
I saw the announcement and now await a Mandrake src.rpm so I can build it. The alternative is to download the DRI stuff directly from sourceforge and build/install it. I am also thinking about that. On Monday 19 March 2001 11:58, Jim Dawson wrote: You can check to see if DRI is enabled in Xfree86 by checking your Xfree86 config file. You should have a line that states: Load"DRI" However, I do not know if the radeon is currently supported for DRI. Sorry in that respect. Best of luck! I think I saw something about XFree 4.0.3 (just released a few days ago) supporting DRI on ATI Radeon. -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. --
Re: [expert] rpm package inventory
tony K. wrote: At 14:31 19-03-01 +1100, you wrote: How does one take the inventory of rpm packages installed on an existing system (M7.2) rpm -qa "./package list.txt" and then import the list to rpmDrake (or similar) on an M8.0 installed system? Hmm. Not sure what you mean here - please elaborate... Do whatever can be done so that (to the extent possible - i.e, as much as the members of the list are available on the new system) those packages are installed on the new system without manually picking from a list of over a thousand... What you're asking may be pretty difficult from what I've seen of the MDK 8.0 RPM list. They done so much package sub-dividing and renaming (I really, REALLY wish they'd quit that. Makes trying to install 3rd party packages a PITA.) Basically you need to install 8.0 in the upgrade mode, that way you let it do all the guess work. But even that way you'll probably get a lot of extra stuff you may not have wanted. Woody -- --- Gatewood Green Web Developer http://www.linux.org/ The first stop for Linux info on the Net Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- All opinions expressed by me are my own and not necessarily endorsed by Linux Online, Inc. or Linux Headquarters, Inc.
Re: [expert] Graphical boot and zope
Wayne Alexander wrote: All, how do I enable the graphical boot instead oif the text boot under 7.2? Edit /etc/inittab Find this line: id:3:initdefault: Change 3 to 5 and save, restart to test. Also, I turned my machine on this morning and I have another user option on my startup menu as 'zope'. I didn't add this user, so how did it get onto my system? The zope pacakge may have needed it's own user to run (there are several services like this that need their own user to run under for security purposes.) If you aren't using zop then you can safely remove it: (Quick and dirty) rpm -qa |grep -i zope |xargs rpm --nodeps -e (If that is a bit scarry to you, this will allow you to see any dependency errors) rpm -qa |grep -i zope rpm -e pkg name Afterwards: userdel zope (if package removal didn't do that for you already) Woody -- --- Gatewood Green Web Developer http://www.linux.org/ The first stop for Linux info on the Net Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- All opinions expressed by me are my own and not necessarily endorsed by Linux Online, Inc. or Linux Headquarters, Inc.
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Hi again Benjamin, Thanks for the tip about the extras for XFCE - I downloaded them and my desktop is looking very cool. Thanks again. Stephen -- Q===Q | Stephen Horton:-) | | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Website: http://www.wem.clara.net | Q===Q
Re: [expert] XF86 Mdk 8.0 - OOOPS!
The so called autoupdate tool from mandrake is pretty dangerous if you ask me. Some of my updates screwed up as well. I stick with the manual updates. Marc - Original Message - From: "Ron Heron" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: [expert] XF86 Mdk 8.0 - OOOPS! Hello, I did a dev update via MandrakeUpdate, and hosed my XF86. I tried configuring via xf86config, but no worky, keep getting a "unable to load default font "fixed". What's the best way to get X up and running again, and does anyone know how this could have happened? Thanks, Ron = ^C quit :q exit ? help shit __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [expert] OT: Databases
On Monday 19 March 2001 14:11, you wrote: I think MySQL (included with MDK 7.2, probably earlier releases also) would fit your needs, running on the local workstation. It is open source, free, and (from what I have been told) has pretty good performance. I cannot tell people that, to use my small, simple, little program they have to configur a mysql, I'm programming for users, not administrators. -- Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.pupeno.com.ar
Re: [expert] Linux RAID capabilities
Linux Mandrake supports Software RAID, I don't know about the hardware raid devices but that probabaly works as well.. You can do RAID 0, RAID 1 (miror), RAID 4 and RAID 5 (maybe other RAIDs as well). It is not diffelcult to set it up. An example for a mirror (RAID 1) is: In a simpel basic explation you do: - Install Linux like you do normaly - Create a New partion on you second drive (type RAID Linux auto) - Format the RAID partition - Copy your files to the raid partition - Configure your /etc/fstab and /etc/raidtab - Boot From your new Linux Raid Partition - If this works Make the old Partition type Linux RAID auto, format it and mount it in your RAID1 array. - The new disk will automatically sync with the other disk, Like I said this was a implified form of RAID setup. To read all the details please read the Software RAID howto documentation. There is a lot of documentation on the web as well so look around and you will find what you need. Tip!: You can use webmin to create RAID arrays, format the Array etc... I don't have RAID running anymore so I cannot give you examples. But I know it works because I had it runnning a while back. And with either Redhat or Mandrake it is fairly easy to set it up. Marc - Original Message - From: "Lyric" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Expert Linux Mandrake Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: [expert] Linux RAID capabilities Sirs, I am currently planning out a machine to be used when Mandrake 8.0 appears in full. In addition to the standard SCSI drives I will be using, I want to toss in two IDE 20 GB drives in a mirrored RAID. Basically, what I want to know is does Linux support a software RAID? If so, how do I configure it? If someone here could let me know of this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Dear Stephen: You are very welcome. And you are welcome to join my xfce-new mailing list. See my letter to the Mandrake lists. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] regarding video card.
Hi Joe! Have a look at NVIDIAs website: http://www.nvidia.com/Products/Drivers.nsf/Linux.html Joe wrote: Doees linux mandrake 7.2 support Asus AGP 7100 GeForce 2 MX chipset video card..i have went to Linux mandrake hardware compatible list to refer ,and i can tfind the exactly name for my video card.so could your please check it for me .because i have to take decision to buy it or not..Hope you will reply me soon.. Thanks for your help.
Re: [expert] rpm package inventory
At 12:13 19-03-01 -0700, you wrote: What you're asking may be pretty difficult from what I've seen of the MDK 8.0 RPM list. They done so much package sub-dividing and renaming (I really, REALLY wish they'd quit that. Makes trying to install 3rd party packages a PITA.) Basically you need to install 8.0 in the upgrade mode, that way you let it do all the guess work. But even that way you'll probably get a lot of extra stuff you may not have wanted. Thank, but no thanks... :) 1) A clean install is clearly ~way~ simpler, cleaner and safer, especially when moving between major release levels. Even if this was not a good enough reason, I'm installing on a new, higher capacity HD. 2) Forcing the user to work again and again his/her way manually thru a list of over 1000 packages is INSANE. There ought to be a better way. Anyone? (Mandrake...?) t.k. Anthony K. Transportation Systems - no HTML mail please.
Re: [expert] XF86 Mdk 8.0 - OOOPS!
I did a dev update via MandrakeUpdate, and hosed my XF86. I tried configuring via xf86config, but no worky, keep getting a "unable to load default font "fixed". I got this problem when the x font daemon crashed due to a faulty font. Simply rebooting solved that one for me, since xfd is loaded at startup. So, you should set up your startup files to load xfd, or load it manually. Look at the man page for info about how. Gerry
[expert] mandrake security levels
Does anyone know where I can find a comprehensive list of the differences between the differenct security levels in 7.2? I recently had an experience where I switched from "High" to "Medium" and a bunch of (apparently) unrelated programs started to work where they hadn't before. E.G. fetchmailconf now works; the KDE 2.1 control panel now has the new icons that had failed to appear when I first upgraded to 2.1. Anybody know why this would be? And in particular, can anyone tell me the specific differences between the regular and "mdksecure" kernels? Many Thanks, -Avdi
[expert] windows hosed my MBR
Hi, My name is Avdi, and I'm an idiot. Specifically, I installed Win98 on a partition I'd cleared for it on my Mandrake 7.2 system, *without* checking to make sure my emergency linux boot disk actually worked. Naturally, Win98 overwrote my MBR, and now I'm unable to boot linux. I can boot the Mandrake install CD, but I can't find a way to easily reinstall LILO or GRUB from it. Originally, I had a trouble with the lilo on the CD giving my "Unsupported device" errors; after I rebooted and tried again for some reason the RAM disk was read-only, where it had been writeable the first time I booted from the CD. Too wierd... anyway, I'm able to mount my linux partition from the CD boot, but what do I do from there? I can't install LILO from the old partiion because LILO expects various files (like /boot/boot.b) to be in specific places in the filesystem; and the ramdisk is read-only. I can't reinstall GRUB, mainly because I can't figure out it's internal documentation and I can't find any external docs. All I want is to get a super-basic LILO or GRUB setup installed into my MBR, enough so I can boot linux from /dev/hda1 (which is a reiserfs partition, BTW) and reinstall my old GRUB setup using mandrake tools. What's the simplest, easiest way to do this? Thanks, -Avdi
[expert] URPMI hangs
Hi again, I haven't been able to get URPMI to work since I installed 7.2 on a clean system. It simply hangs when I start it. The rpmdrake program hangs when I tell it to install a package as well. I've tried rebuilding the RPM database; I've even gone so far as to delete all urpmi's file and dependency lists and rebuild the urpmi database by feeding it one CD after another. Still no luck. Help? -Avdi
[expert] vmware install
hello MANDRAKE! did someone succesfully install mdk 8.0b2 in vmware? (athlon) regards, PAT -- vcard/LDAP/PGP: http://dresden-online.com/~perler/identity.html PGP fingerprint: DAC6 2FDA 1ED7 AD55 BD1F 5142 3D5F 72BF
Re: [expert] windows hosed my MBR
(Courtesy copy bcc'd to Avdi directly) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My name is Avdi, and I'm an idiot. Ah, be easy on yourself! We all have stories we could tell (I'm pretty sure) of the 'ohno-second's we've had (like the time I did rm -rf * from a subdir that just HAPPENED to have my windows partition mounted below it!) Specifically, I installed Win98 on a partition I'd cleared for it on my Mandrake 7.2 system, *without* checking to make sure my emergency linux boot disk actually worked. Naturally, Win98 overwrote my MBR, and now I'm unable to boot linux. I can boot the Mandrake install CD, but I can't find a way to easily reinstall LILO or GRUB from it. Originally, I had a trouble with the lilo on the CD giving my "Unsupported device" errors; after I rebooted and tried again for some reason the RAM disk was read-only, where it had been writeable the first time I booted from the CD. Too wierd... anyway, I'm able to mount my linux partition from the CD boot, but what do I do from there? I can't install LILO from the old partiion because LILO expects various files (like /boot/boot.b) to be in specific places in the filesystem; and the ramdisk is read-only. I can't reinstall GRUB, mainly because I can't figure out it's internal documentation and I can't find any external docs. Well, I've been guru status for a while (according to some, anyway ;-) (but I don't do windows any more!), but recently someone here on the expert list put forth a really nifty trick on how to do this. I'll probably miss a detail, but here's the basic idea: 1a - boot from your install media with the lilo command: linux root=/dev/hda1 (or wherever your linux root partition is). (note that 'linux' may not be right either, but I think it is). if this won't work, try: 1b - boot from the install boot media, using rescue mode. 2a - if 1a worked, just login as root and type 'lilo' 2b - if only 1b worked, then you're going to have to get to the point where you have / mounted. The really cute thing now is to cd to /mnt/wherever_your_root_partition_is and type 'chroot .' - at that point, you are in a new subshell with / where your normal root partition was/is. Now just type 'lilo' and you've set your mbr again. (WARNING - if you've got more than one partition then you may have to fiddle a bit to get everything in the right place and in the right order. Beware that dumping out of a chroot-ed shell with partitions mounted FROM that chroot-ed shell may cause weird things to happen! (don't ask ;-) ) Of course if you're using grub, give the grub install command instead of the lilo one! rc Rusty Carruth Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (480) 345-3621 SnailMail: Schlumberger ATE FAX: (480) 345-8793 7855 S. River Parkway, Suite 116 Ham: N7IKQ @ 146.82+,pl 162.2 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825 ICBM: 33 20' 44"N 111 53' 47"W
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1
Ok, thank's it was a dummy thing!!! Best regards. Leo Digital Wokan wrote: Set "Max number of "Quick Start" entries to 0. You'll find it in Control Center - LookNFeel - Panel - Menus Leopold Palomo wrote: Hi, I have upgraded my LM 7.2 to the kde 2.1 and I suffer a curious thing. When I run any program from the menu, I have a new entry in the top of the menu with the program that I have run. What do I have to do to avoid this? Best regards, Leo -- Leopold Palomo Avellaneda -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior -- Leopold Palomo Avellaneda Linux User 152692 Catalonia
Re: [expert] OT: Databases
On 03.18 Pupeno wrote: On Monday 19 March 2001 14:11, you wrote: I think MySQL (included with MDK 7.2, probably earlier releases also) would fit your needs, running on the local workstation. It is open source, free, and (from what I have been told) has pretty good performance. I cannot tell people that, to use my small, simple, little program they have to configur a mysql, I'm programming for users, not administrators. I would take a look at the standard and simple Berkely DB. It was part of glibc, but now there are three versions in mdk, db1, db2 and db3. I think the latest release is db3, and the other versions are included for compatibility. That is what rom4 uses for the rpm database. Install db3, db3-devel, and db3-utils and look into /usr/share/doc/db3-devel-3.1.17 for the api description (both C and C++). Hmmm, now that I think about it, you will have db1-2-3 in Cooker, in standard 7.2 you probably have only just the old db. But you can always get the src.rpm and rebuild. -- J.A. Magallon $ cd pub mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ more beer Linux werewolf 2.4.2-ac20 #2 SMP Tue Mar 13 15:49:10 CET 2001 i686
Re: [expert] mandrake security levels
On Monday 19 March 2001 13:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where I can find a comprehensive list of the differences between the differenct security levels in 7.2? If you installed any documentation, have a look at msec.ps: # find / -name msec.ps # gv path-to-msec/msec.ps
Re: [expert] Kernel 2.4.2 and reiserfs
Hi, thank's to both, Tom and Daryl. Now it works. I have had some others problems, but for another day. Best regards. Leo Daryl Johnson wrote: You need to check the very first box 'y' for code maturity and experimentals in xconfig, then this option will be available when you get to it Daryl Johnson Proplan Associates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leopold Palomo Sent: 18 March 2001 23:19 To: Expert Subject: [expert] Kernel 2.4.2 and reiserfs Hi, I have downloaded the last kernel 2.4.2 (ok, not exactly the last) and I have tried to configured it with the reiserfs option but all the time is marked in gray (when I run make xconfig). Someone some days before asked the same but I don't find the answer (if was). Can anyone help me please? Best regards, Leo -- Leopold Palomo Avellaneda Linux User 152692 Catalonia -- Leopold Palomo Avellaneda Linux User 152692 Catalonia
Re: [expert] windows hosed my MBR
Do an UPGRADE from your CD. Select any unimprtant package to install and at the end say 'yes' to install lilo. It worked for me. Eric MC On Monday 19 March 2001 22:47, you wrote: | Hi, | | My name is Avdi, and I'm an idiot. | | Specifically, I installed Win98 on a partition I'd cleared for it on my | Mandrake 7.2 system, *without* checking to make sure my emergency linux | boot disk actually worked. Naturally, Win98 overwrote my MBR, and now | I'm unable to boot linux. I can boot the Mandrake install CD, but I | can't find a way to easily reinstall LILO or GRUB from it. Originally, I | had a trouble with the lilo on the CD giving my "Unsupported device" | errors; after I rebooted and tried again for some reason the RAM disk | was read-only, where it had been writeable the first time I booted from | the CD. Too wierd... anyway, I'm able to mount my linux partition from | the CD boot, but what do I do from there? I can't install LILO from the | old partiion because LILO expects various files (like /boot/boot.b) to | be in specific places in the filesystem; and the ramdisk is read-only. I | can't reinstall GRUB, mainly because I can't figure out it's internal | documentation and I can't find any external docs. | | All I want is to get a super-basic LILO or GRUB setup installed into my | MBR, enough so I can boot linux from /dev/hda1 (which is a reiserfs | partition, BTW) and reinstall my old GRUB setup using mandrake tools. | What's the simplest, easiest way to do this? Thanks, | | -Avdi -- For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. -- Harrison
Re: [expert] Helix-Gnome supports Mandrake! -- Official Word
On Monday 19 March 2001 12:35, Benjamin Sher wrote:
I thought you might find this very reassuring:
My hunch is that there's more to it than we're seeing here. Why is it so
difficult for Ximian to support THE most popular desktop distro? He seems to
be leaning a bit heavy on the weasel words ("waiting for Red Carpet to
mature", "after a reasonable interval for testing", etc.). This has been
their line for a long, long time.
Also the comment about Gnucash not working with 7.2 sounds odd to me as well.
There are both Cooker and 7.2 versions of this package and I've never heard
anyone else say it "won't work" on 7.2.
My personal conspiracy theory is that Ximian is having severe workflow
problems. Despite the massive infusion of corporate cash, they've missed
some critical dates for Evolution, GNOME 1.4, etc.
M.
Subject: Re: [HC Hello] Ximian-Gnome NOT on Mandrake 7.2 -- Why?
Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:51:34 -0500
From: Mark Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are some bugs in helix-update that prevent us from releasing the
most critical package (an updated gdm) through normal channels, so at
this point it looks like we're waiting for Red Carpet to mature a bit
more. In the meantime, the updated gdm package can be downloaded from
http://primates.ximian.com/~peter/gdm-2.0beta4-22mdk_helix_10.i586.rpm
There are a couple of other fairly minor bugs (icons in gmc have some
issues; we need a new gmc package specific to Mandrake 7.2. Also, our
gnucash package won't work on Mandrake 7.2).
We haven't abandoned Mandrake. We plan to support Mandrake 7.2 as soon
as Red Carpet is a bit more stable, and we plan to support Mandrake 8
when it is available (after a reasonable interval for testing of our
packages).
Sincerely,
Mark Gordon
On 16 Mar 2001 21:20:09 -0600, Benjamin Sher wrote:
Dear Ximian, Mandrake and friends:
A simple question: Why is it that after nearly six months, Ximian Gnome
is still NOT available for Linux-Mandrake 7.2? Is there some technical
difficulty involved? If not, why has it taken so long? And will it be
available on the upcoming Mandrake 8.0?
Thank you.
Benjamin
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Re: [expert] Upgrade from PII to Duron causes 7.2 and install CDs to fail
AMD t'bird 850 and Mandrake 7.2 from the APC pbook. Hehe. Guess who wrote that (well, half of it)? :D Buy the Advanced one when it comes out next month... "The install simply pauses during `Please Wait'. Again ,there's no error message provided." At what point of the installation? After the bootloader is run, and an install (any type) is selected. The kernel loads, and then displays an ncurses type screen with `please wait'. At that point it stops completely. Mike. Cheers Jason Houlihan RHCE CCNA -- -- Mike MacCana Support Consultant C Y B E R S O U R C E Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000 Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998
Re: [expert] Console / X
Peter Steneteg wrote: Hi, I recently installed Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop And after a while i discovered a couple problems 1. My sound, I run sndconfig and everything work just fine but when I try it the sound play in half speed. I have tested both with mpg123, xmms, soundtracker and mtv it all goes in half speed... I have an ESS1888 soundchip and I run it as a soundblaster pro. Don't know about the sound. I have the ESS1868 chipset which works but not very well. 2. When I uses X and wants to switch to an other console e.g. " Ctrl-Alt-F1" my X session dies "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting" You probably have a Chips Technology 65550 series video chipset. I (and several others) have the same problem. This seems to be an issue with version 4.0 of XServer. That functionality was available in version 3.?? I have mailed the problem to the XF86 expert mailing list and received no reply (actually a deafening silence - I guess its not sexy). I am going to attempt to regress to version 3.0.? Hope this helps... Tom. Thanks, Peter
[expert] KDE 2.1 installation woes
I am having trouble getting KDE 2.1 installed. My system is a baseline MDK 7.2 install, upgraded to 2.4.2 kernel which I compiled. I downloaded the Mandrake KDE 2.1 rpms from ftp.sourceforge.net, and have the following rpms in my kde-2.1 directory: arts-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdeadmin-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdebase-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdebase-devel-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdebase-devel-static-libraries-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdebase-nsplugins-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdegames-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdegames-devel-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdegraphics-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdegraphics-devel-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdelibs-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdelibs-devel-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdelibs-devel-static-libraries-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdelibs-sound-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdelibs-sound-devel-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdemultimedia-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdemultimedia-devel-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdenetwork-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdenetwork-devel-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm kdepim-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdepim-devel-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdesdk-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdesdk-devel-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdesupport-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdesupport-devel-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdetoys-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdetoys-devel-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdeutils-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdeutils-devel-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm kdevelop-1.4-4mdk.i586.rpm kdoc-2.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm libarts2-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm libarts2-devel-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm libmng1-1.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm libmng1-devel-1.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm libqt2-2.2.4-3mdk.i586.rpm libqt2-devel-2.2.4-3mdk.i586.rpm qt2-Xt-2.2.4-3mdk.i586.rpm qt2-designer-2.2.4-3mdk.i586.rpm qt2-static-libraries-2.2.4-3mdk.i586.rpm The following is the output of "rpm -Uvh --test *.rpm" issued in that directory: error: kdebase-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm cannot be installed error: kdebase-devel-static-libraries-2.1-2mdk.i586.rpm cannot be installed error: kdemultimedia-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm cannot be installed error: kdeutils-2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm cannot be installed error: failed dependencies: kdebase = 2.1-2mdk is needed by kdebase-devel-2.1-2mdk kdebase = 2.1-2mdk is needed by kdebase-nsplugins-2.1-2mdk kdemultimedia = 2.1-1mdk is needed by kdemultimedia-devel-2.1-1mdk ppp is needed by kdenetwork-2.1-2mdk kdeutils = 2.1-1mdk is needed by kdeutils-devel-2.1-1mdk I am unclear as to why I am getting these errors. It obviously makes sense that kdebase-devel fails dependencies, if kdebase cannot be installed, but WHY can't kdebase be installed, and so on? Any help appreciated. I am going to try re-downloading all the rpms just for kicks, but the file sizes all match so I don't think that is going to help... Neal
Re: [expert] regarding video card.
Yes! It certainly does. I am the very happy owner of an ASUS AGP 7100 GeForce2 MX and it works great! I have used the 6x drivers and, more recently the 767 drivers (off of NVIDIA's website) and they work great! One note: the RPMs didn't work for me, so I downloaded and installed the tarballs and that worked without a hitch. I would highly recommend the ASUS 7100. Clint Olson CO-n-Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:01:14 +0800 "Joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doees linux mandrake 7.2 support Asus AGP 7100 GeForce 2 MX chipset video card..i have went to Linux mandrake hardware compatible list to refer ,and i can tfind the exactly name for my video card.so could your please check it for me .because i have to take decision to buy it or not..Hope you will reply me soon.. Thanks for your help. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
[expert] automounting
Recently, I recall seeing some postings regarding supermount failing after upgrading the kernel to the 2.4.x series. I posted here, as did others, a few months ago regarding that; basically, there is code in /etc/rc.d/mandrake-everytime which disables the supermount keywords in /etc/fstab when the 2.4 kernel boots and which is coded in such a way that it doesn't get reenabled if you reboot on the standard 2.217 mdk kernel. Once I had installed the 2.4 kernel and supermount got broken (I don't know of a patch for the 2.4 kernel to enable supermount, btw, as there is for the 2.2 series kernel) I was never able to get it to work again without a reinstall from the iso CD.s For those in the same boat as I am, I have some good news! Tonight I started playing with autofs, and so far it seems to fit the bill just fine. Autofs is another way of automatically mounting filesystems, and seems to work not only for removable media on your local computer, but also for networked shares (eg via NFS) if you have them. The autofs mini-howto is pretty good. You need to compile autofs support in when you build your kernel. As a test, I created a /mount directory (mkdir /mount) to automounted drives, and tried it out with the DVD drive. I created /etc/auto.master, which is the control file that tells autofs, when started up, how to find the file systems it will handle. Mine now looks like the following: # $Id: auto.master,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:03 hpa Exp $ # Sample auto.master file # Format of this file: # mountpoint map options # For details of the format look at autofs(8). #/misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 #/net /etc/auto.net --timeout=60 /mount /etc/auto.mount --timeout=60 All the commented lines were already there from the mdk install; I just commented out the /misc and /net lines which I didn't want to use, and added the /mount line. Details inthe man pages, but basically all the autofs filesystems will be mounted as subdirs of /mount, and the file /etc/auto.mount controls what autofs can mount in there. The --timeout=60 specifies that the all filesystems controlled via /etc/auto.mount will be unmounted if inactive for 60 seconds. You can have multiple lines, each pointingn to its own control file. Each line launches a new instance of autofs, and can have a different timeout, so you could have shorted timeouts for, say, floppies, and longer timeouts for network file systems so they don't keep mounting and unmounting on you. In /etc/auto.mount I put: # autofs control file for the /mount mount point # format: mount directory options actual place to mount dvd -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev,exec,user :/dev/cdrom This causes the local device /dev/cdrom to automount at /mount/dvd (remember that auto.master specified this file to control mount points under /mount); that device is of course my dvd drive. I then rebooted (I could have killed autofs and restarted it, but I wanted to be SURE... - and when I popped a DVD into the drive and cd'd to /mount/dvd, there was a brief pause and then...there I was! So far, so good, and all seems to work just fine. I will now experiment with adding my floppy drive, CDRW, etc...I am hopeful that I can also add smb shares to automagically mount as needed Neal
[expert] ppp0 script
can anyone recommend a good script for bring ppp0 up? -- registered linux user #190334
Re: [expert] Xfce menues?
NOW someone mentions that there's some setup step to be performed. All the other desktops are covered automatically by the common menuing system. Peter FREIMANN wrote: How'd you get all your KDE and Gnome menu items under the left mouse button. There aren't any there on mine. I had to add some stuff to the buttons on the panel. Other then what was already there, there's precious little in the way of menu items. Only drawback I've seen so far. I'm liking this WM though. Both KDE GNOME menus ARE THERE !! Under left mouse button menu . you just have to activate them using setup ... p.f. -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior
Re: [expert] windows hosed my MBR
And when you're done with that, look into mkbootdisk so if you do it again, you can boot to your Linux partition and rerun LILO to put it back into your MBR (dunno about GRUB). Eric MC D wrote: Do an UPGRADE from your CD. Select any unimprtant package to install and at the end say 'yes' to install lilo. It worked for me. Eric MC On Monday 19 March 2001 22:47, you wrote: | Hi, | | My name is Avdi, and I'm an idiot. | | Specifically, I installed Win98 on a partition I'd cleared for it on my | Mandrake 7.2 system, *without* checking to make sure my emergency linux | boot disk actually worked. Naturally, Win98 overwrote my MBR, and now | I'm unable to boot linux. I can boot the Mandrake install CD, but I | can't find a way to easily reinstall LILO or GRUB from it. Originally, I | had a trouble with the lilo on the CD giving my "Unsupported device" | errors; after I rebooted and tried again for some reason the RAM disk | was read-only, where it had been writeable the first time I booted from | the CD. Too wierd... anyway, I'm able to mount my linux partition from | the CD boot, but what do I do from there? I can't install LILO from the | old partiion because LILO expects various files (like /boot/boot.b) to | be in specific places in the filesystem; and the ramdisk is read-only. I | can't reinstall GRUB, mainly because I can't figure out it's internal | documentation and I can't find any external docs. | | All I want is to get a super-basic LILO or GRUB setup installed into my | MBR, enough so I can boot linux from /dev/hda1 (which is a reiserfs | partition, BTW) and reinstall my old GRUB setup using mandrake tools. | What's the simplest, easiest way to do this? Thanks, | | -Avdi -- For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. -- Harrison -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:36:27PM -0600, Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear friends: TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS: If you are interested in trying out XFCE, please do NOT use the by now old version in LM7.2. Instead, download the latest RH xfce-3.7.2-1.i386.rpm. That's what I am using. I got xfce-3.7.2-1mdk.i586.rpm from cooker. After installing xfce by rpm or by tar or whatever, be sure to run the xfce_setup program as USER: $xfce_setup WARNING for Linux-Mandrake users (perhaps for other distros as well): Since XFCE is not listed on the graphical login menu, you will need to access it from the console. When you do, please remember to type the SINGLE word: $startxfce That is, NOT "startx xfce". There is an apparent and very mysterious bug in Mandrake which causes "startx xfce" to launch the ICEWM window manager INSTEAD of xfce. So, please remember the one word command as user: On my system the cooker rpm added Xfce to the graphical login menu. It starts like any other WM. $startxfce Well, that's it. Hope you give XFCE a try. It's well worth it. And it's a damn shame that Linux Mandrake does not install it by default. If you like it, you might wish to let them know how you feel about it. At first glance it seems as fast as Blackbox, but I haven't configured icons for staroffice etc yet. Anyway, thanks for the tip. -- Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mob: 0419 535539
Re: [expert] xfce-new -- Subscription info
Ok Benjamin I finally had to hard boot my machine (6 months of stability) all because of xfce. Maybe you can explain how this happened. I fired up xfce and I must admit it looks really cool so I let it run. When my monitor went into power save I simply hit the mouse (as I always do in KDE) and nothing happened, I then hit the space bar, nothing happened. My screen was black and I could not get the video to come back (I even tried ctr-alt-delete). Finally in disgust I hit the hard reset button and I am now back in KDE. What did I do wrong Send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or just contact me personally and I'll add your name and email address to the list. To read a message, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xfce-new Yours, Benjamin -- Thanks, Larry Blodgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ --- Linux, WinNT, MS-DOS - also known as the Good, the Bad and the Ugly Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither. -B. Franklin Computers save time like kudzu prevents soil erosion. -Everybody knows
[Fwd: Re: [expert] Xserver unexpected shutdown.]
FYI... am now running KDE2.1/X4.0.3/LM7.2 on laptop and this problem still
exists.
Pierre
Original Message
Subject: Re: [expert] Xserver unexpected shutdown.
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:59 -0500
From: Pierre Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mandrake Expert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AHA!!! So I'm *not* the only one to see this... only on laptop, not on
desktops.
Tom Cada wrote:
I have installed MDK 7.2 from downloaded CD images. Everything
installed correctly and runs well. I have done the normal software
updates with no problems. The X system is the one that comes with that
distribution (4.0 I believe).
The issue is that when running an X session, and I attempt to start a
second session using CTRL-ALT-F2 (or any function key up to 6), the X
server shuts down. The new session starts with the nornal logon screen,
and then it dumps me back to the session running X with the message
Fatal server error
Caught signal 11
Server aborting.
Ditto... see strace in my previous post below...
Is there some setting in the X system that I have missed, or do I need
to do an update to the server.
In addition, although probably unrelated, sometimes when I go to logout
of the KDE session, it appears that the session starts to close down and
than re-displays the desktop. A second logout request then works. Very
strange, like it didn't believe me the first time.
I've seen something like this; but my memory of it is on one desktop... can't
confirm at this time.
I am using the standard KDE that came with the distribution.
I am installing on my laptop that has a CT 65550 chipset with 2 MEG
video ram.
SAME chipset memory!! I bet you have an older Toshiba... mine is T500CDT.
As an aside, I will be giving a talk on computer usage to folks in a
travel club I am associated with. I know that the question of other OS's
will come up and have tried TurboLinux, SuSE 6.3, Red Hat 6.2, and
Debian potato with varying degrees of success (like not much). Mandrake
7.2 is the only one that I could recommend to a knowledgeable user to
purchase and install. It detected everything properly except the sound
(but that's another issue) and provided the best install of any of them.
I hope they keep up the excellant work.
Thanks in advance for any assistance... Tom.
Here's my post which got no response... No fix that I'm aware of; I've simply
conditioned myself not to try to access the VCs on this system...
All I can offer is "you're not alone..."
Pierre
Subject: X:sig11 when trying to access virtual consoles... ideas?
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:07:45 -0500
Hi,
I just did a fresh re-install of LM7.2 on my laptop and chose X4.0.1 instead of
3.3.6 this time.
Now, when I try to access a virtual console, X crashes and restarts into kdm.
The actual sequence is:
- press C+A+F1 or C+A+F[2-6]
- if f[2-6]: vc[2-6] appears momentarily
- switches to vc1
- X restarts to kdm, losing all applications
Before figuring out that it was X itself that was crashing, I installed KDE2.1
which gives the same results.
Anyone have a clue as to what may be the source of this crash on a freshly
installed system...?
Thanks,
Pierre
This is an strace of xinit and C+A+F1...
ioctl(5, VT_ACTIVATE, 0x1) = 0
--- SIGUSR1 (User defined signal 1) ---
rt_sigaction(SIGUSR1, {0x80943f8, [], SA_RESTART|0x400}, {0x80943f8, [],
SA_RESTART|0x400}, 8) = 0
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) ---
setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}, NULL) = 0
sigreturn() = ? (mask now [USR1])
sigreturn() = ? (mask now [])
nanosleep({0, 1000}, NULL) = 0
nanosleep({0, 2000}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(5, KDSKBMODE, 0x1)= 0
ioctl(5, SNDCTL_TMR_START, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0
ioctl(5, TCGETS, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0
fcntl(7, F_GETFL) = 0x2802 (flags
O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_ASYNC)
fcntl(7, F_SETFL, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK)= 0
rt_sigaction(SIGIO, {SIG_DFL}, {0x80973f0, [IO], 0x400}, 8) = 0
close(7)= 0
nanosleep({0, 3}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(5, VT_RELDISP, 0x1) = 0
close(6)= 0
iopl(0) = 0
ioperm(0, 0x400, 0) = 0
setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, {it_interval={0, 2}, it_value={0, 2}}, NULL) = 0
gettimeofday({978069665, 207525}, NULL) = 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
rt_sigaction(SIGSEGV, {SIG_IGN}, {0x807feac, [], SA_RESTART|0x400}, 8) = 0
write(2, "\nFatal server error:\n", 21) = 21
write(0, "\nFatal server error:\n", 21) = 21
write(2, "Caught signal 11. Server aborti"..., 35) = 35
write(0, "Caught signal 11. Server aborti"..., 35) =
35
Re: [expert] xfce-new -- Subscription info
Dear Larry: I am very sorry that I cannot help you. I am just an ordinary user who is very fond of xfce. However, check the Setup options. Make sure you scroll all the way down in each of the 4 tabbled categories (Palette, etc.). I believe there is a power management feature in xfce. I am not sure. And check the User's Manual thoroughly (the big letter I on the right of the toolbar/panel). You might consider joining the official xfce list on the www.xfce.org site to get the answer from the experts. You might also wish to consider joining the newbies' list xfce-new, which I just started today. For details, see my message or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xfce-new All my best. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] rpm package inventory
On 2001.03.19 22:40 tony K. wrote: 2) Forcing the user to work again and again his/her way manually thru a list of over 1000 packages is INSANE. And one has to. I mean: how many users have a palmpilot? Right, then why the heck is it installed by default? There ought to be a better way. Anyone? (Mandrake...?) Sure, but it takes a lot of work. -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:20135549 Belgiumtel:++3289856533 cellular: ++32496737018 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org 1010011010 : Binary of the Beast
Re: [expert] xfce-new -- Subscription info
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:54:19 -0600 Larry Blodgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Benjamin I finally had to hard boot my machine (6 months of stability) all because of xfce. Maybe you can explain how this happened. I fired up xfce and I must admit it looks really cool so I let it run. When my monitor went into power save I simply hit the mouse (as I always do in KDE) and nothing happened, I then hit the space bar, nothing happened. My screen was black and I could not get the video to come back (I even tried ctr-alt-delete). Finally in disgust I hit the hard reset button and I am now back in KDE. What did I do wrong The Xscreensaver (not a part of XFCE) by default selects a screensaver at random. At least one of the screensavers is broken and will cause this behavior. Read the Xscreensaver doc to learn dow to run the demos to select a screensaver you like and/or disable the screensaver entirely. -- Collins Richey Denver Area
Re: [expert] ppp0 script
What's wrong with 'ifup' and 'ifdown'? /sbin/ifup ppp0 /sbin/ifdown ppp0 On 2001.03.20 04:57 Steve Young wrote: can anyone recommend a good script for bring ppp0 up? -- registered linux user #190334 -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:20135549 Belgiumtel:++3289856533 cellular: ++32496737018 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org 1010011010 : Binary of the Beast
[expert] Mandrake update hit my PHP with a big stick, now it's broken =(...
Hi All I used Mandrake update to update my php from 4.0.3pl3 to 4.0.4pl1. The update took a coupla minutes, but now when I do a ? phpinfo(); ? test I see, isntead of the phpinfo page, the source. Here is an exerpt from my httpd.conf... [gabriel@coldblood gabriel]$ cat /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf |grep php DirectoryIndex index.html index.php index.htm index.shtml index.cgi Default.htm default.htm index.php3 #AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3 .phtml .php AddType application/x-httpd-php .php #AddType application/x-httpd-php3-source .phps #AddType application/x-httpd-php .phtml Now, my friends, what would you say is wrong with this picture? I'm supposed to be developing a cuddly fuzzy intranet and I can see Mandrake update had other ideas, any takers. Spank you in advance! -- Regards Gabriel Fortuna Independent Newspapers Information Technology - Projects Networking Division T: 27 11 633 2833 F: 27 11 838 2528 People tend to make rules for others and exceptions for themselves.
[newbie] network switching app?
Hi all, I decided to install 7.2 on my laptop to check it out Mandrake again... When selecting the packages during install I noticed a package that claimed to allow me to switch internet options 'between work and home' as I have a adsl connection at home and connect to a dhcp server at work I wrote down the name of the package but threw out the paper i wrote it on : ( So I'm hoping somebody out there can tell me the name of the package so I can put it to work switching twice everyday is a real pain and if this package works would be great for me... ; ) Thanks CM
Re: [expert] Helix-Gnome supports Mandrake! -- Official Word
On 03.19 Benjamin Sher wrote: There are some bugs in helix-update that prevent us from releasing the most critical package (an updated gdm) through normal channels, so at this point it looks like we're waiting for Red Carpet to mature a bit more. In the meantime, the updated gdm package can be downloaded from http://primates.ximian.com/~peter/gdm-2.0beta4-22mdk_helix_10.i586.rpm I understand that Ximian has done a great job with Gnome, but in Mdk8.0 all the gnome packages are more up to date that those of Ximian. For example, that updated package is gdm-2.0-beta4, and current cooker gdm is 2.2.0, that was recently released. By the time they support 8.0, there will be no need of Ximian in a Mdk system. -- J.A. Magallon $ cd pub mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ more beer Linux werewolf 2.4.2-ac20 #2 SMP Tue Mar 13 15:49:10 CET 2001 i686
[expert] Helix-Gnome supports Mandrake! -- Official Word
Dear friends: I thought you might find this very reassuring: Subject: Re: [HC Hello] Ximian-Gnome NOT on Mandrake 7.2 -- Why? Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:51:34 -0500 From: Mark Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are some bugs in helix-update that prevent us from releasing the most critical package (an updated gdm) through normal channels, so at this point it looks like we're waiting for Red Carpet to mature a bit more. In the meantime, the updated gdm package can be downloaded from http://primates.ximian.com/~peter/gdm-2.0beta4-22mdk_helix_10.i586.rpm There are a couple of other fairly minor bugs (icons in gmc have some issues; we need a new gmc package specific to Mandrake 7.2. Also, our gnucash package won't work on Mandrake 7.2). We haven't abandoned Mandrake. We plan to support Mandrake 7.2 as soon as Red Carpet is a bit more stable, and we plan to support Mandrake 8 when it is available (after a reasonable interval for testing of our packages). Sincerely, Mark Gordon On 16 Mar 2001 21:20:09 -0600, Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear Ximian, Mandrake and friends: A simple question: Why is it that after nearly six months, Ximian Gnome is still NOT available for Linux-Mandrake 7.2? Is there some technical difficulty involved? If not, why has it taken so long? And will it be available on the upcoming Mandrake 8.0? Thank you. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Hello maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.helixcode.com/mailman/listinfo/hello -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] Join xfce-new -- the mailing list for the rest of us!
Dear friends: I would like to invite all of you who are currently using or are planning on using the XFCE, the little desktop that could (and does!), to join xfce-new, a mailing list for all NEWCOMERS, whether newbies who are planning on becoming professional programmers or just ordinary users (i.e. the rest of us), who want to learn how to run our XFCE desktop and share this knowledge with others. Feel free to invite anyone else you might know, whatever the distro. This mailing list has no official connection or backing from XFCE itself. I have formed this mailing list because a) I am very font of XFCE and b) I feel strongly that there is a need for a newcomer's list. Such a newbie list is currently not provided by XFCE. To subscribe to xfce-new, go to Yahoogroups at: http://www.yahoogroups.com or http://groups.yahoo.com/ and register as a member of Yahoo (on the top left), then choose xfce-new. Thank you so much. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] xfce-new -- Subscription info
Dear friends: I apologize for the inconvenience, but subscribing to a Yahoo group (mailing list) is not quite so simple. For those of you who are interested in joining the xfce-new mailing list, here are revised instructions. I hope they work: Send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or just contact me personally and I'll add your name and email address to the list. To read a message, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xfce-new Yours, Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
