Re: [expert] What now with konqueror?
On Friday 25 January 2002 02:58, you wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2002 01:58 pm, you wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2002 19:42, you wrote: OK, I gave up on my system and wiped it and then reinstalled 8.1 from scratch AGAIN (3 times in so many days). It booted up, identified my pcmcia 3c589 OK and got me a connection. Sound still dead. I just can't get konqueror to startup as a user - I CAN start it as root. I got the same 'problem' after installing java-plugins. Doesn't bother me enough to repair yet though. What helps in my case: Do a CTRL ALT backspace login again and it works. Funny thing: if I logout 'normally' my wacom pad stops functioning this way all goes well. Reeks heavily of X or NVidia (in my case) doesn't it? FWIW, after installing Flash 5 and JRE 1.1.3 Konqueror wouldn't start as either file manager or web browser as normal user after loging out and back in. I didn't try it as root.. I finally had to remove KDE urpme kde and reinstall the whole shootin' match... I tried this twice to make sure I hadn't messed up the first time and then just installed JRE 1.1.3 from sun and everything seems OK niw.. Must have been Flash 5 that trashed it.. -- That's interesting, my experience is the either way round. Had Flash working great but not Java. After the JRE1.1.3 install these symptoms appeared. I still think it reeks of X because of the strange behaviour of my Wacom. On the other hand it's user specific KDE settings that do this. Using another Windowmanager like windowmaker enabled me to open konq as filemanager no problem as did any other user on the machine. I haven't retried yet, but next time I do I'll create a 'test'user first. Good Luck, Harm Bathoorn. Looking for kicks? Try digital Russian Roulette; Use Outlook Express Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale?
El jue, 24-01-2002 a las 23:18, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Thursday 24 January 2002 22:58, you wrote: Ok. Kde is a nightmare. I can't configure it and the euro symbol is currently a ? symbol. OTOH, I can see the euro symbol in gnome apps and staroffice 5.2. But I can't print it. Can somebody print the Euro ¤ symbol? Maybe the euro symbol will print in 8.2? I've been able to print for over a year now using staroffice (5.0 through 5.2 to 6.0) with starcalc to create the bills I send. Admittedly at the time I first needed Window$ to put it in the template:) If you can see the it symbol in gnome you can copy it with cut paste to KDE configuration centre valuta symbols making it usable in kspread. -- Harm Bathoorn. Thank you, Harm But then, why I can't print the symbol that I can see in the screen? It happens with my two systems, both with LM8.1 One printer is hp laserjet 1200 series. The other is Lexmark Z22 with the lexmark's drivers. I have tried with lprng and cups. Can you Help? Thanks -- .-. oo| Oscar /`'\ Usuario de Linux Registrado #227443 (\_;/) http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound...what does it take?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:24 +0100 H.McM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other suggestion I have is to try the 2.4.8-34 kernel from the Mandrake 81 update directory. That fixed a parallel port issue with me, but not much else besides. Or is that the one you are running? Out of the box MDK comes with... ummm 2.4.8-something-less-than-34. If all else fails, try inserting a toasted cheese sandwich into drive A. Tried that once my printer just printed out a picture of a large, bald, sweaty guy dancing on a stage. James Helen I'm still in kernel hell. The stock 2.4.8 (8.1) kernel doesn't work for me. The pcmcia is screwed (It doesn't properly deal with my old, reliable 3Com 589 pcmcia card) and sound is dead...hence trying to build a functional kernel. I HAD a perfectly fine 2.4.13 kernel for a while but then accidently trashed my system and had to reinstall. Since then, I'm in hell. To answer your question, the 2.4.17.8 kernel didn't work any better than 17.7 did for me. I have NEVER had this kind of trouble with building kernels before. I've built dozens before this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No such file or directory message from bash
If the current directory is in the PATH variable before the standard paths, someone could place a trojaned version of a program into a world writable directory. Whenever someone ran (or think they ran) a system utility from that directory, they would instead be running the fake. Hum.. that assumes that: 1) you have world writable directories (why would you, you know it's bad) 2) someone with bad intentions has access to your machine 3) you have not placed . at the end of $PATH (why would you do that since, in general, you add to the existing one) Or am I missing something ? Thomas. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale?
On Friday 25 January 2002 10:22, you wrote: El jue, 24-01-2002 a las 23:18, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Thursday 24 January 2002 22:58, you wrote: Ok. Kde is a nightmare. I can't configure it and the euro symbol is currently a ? symbol. OTOH, I can see the euro symbol in gnome apps and staroffice 5.2. But I can't print it. Can somebody print the Euro ¤ symbol? Maybe the euro symbol will print in 8.2? I've been able to print for over a year now using staroffice (5.0 through 5.2 to 6.0) with starcalc to create the bills I send. Admittedly at the time I first needed Window$ to put it in the template:) If you can see the it symbol in gnome you can copy it with cut paste to KDE configuration centre valuta symbols making it usable in kspread. -- Harm Bathoorn. Thank you, Harm But then, why I can't print the symbol that I can see in the screen? It happens with my two systems, both with LM8.1 One printer is hp laserjet 1200 series. The other is Lexmark Z22 with the lexmark's drivers. I have tried with lprng and cups. Can you Help? Thanks -- Well frankly you just made me discover that 5.2 defacto does not print the symbol any more. I hadn't noticed as I use 6.0 for my facturations and installed it around the same time as mdk8.1. Why it does that I'm not sure, as I have set my locale to iso8559-15 in kde. Still staroffice 6.0 does the job so it has nothing to do with the printerdrivers as staroffice uses the default ones on the machine. Be asured though: KDE and the euro are stumping people all over Europe -all with various degree's of non success. Maybe KDE3 will solve all this. Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. Looking for kicks? Try digital Russian Roulette; Use Outlook Express Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale?
El vie, 25-01-2002 a las 11:52, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Friday 25 January 2002 10:22, you wrote: El jue, 24-01-2002 a las 23:18, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Thursday 24 January 2002 22:58, you wrote: Ok. Kde is a nightmare. I can't configure it and the euro symbol is currently a ? symbol. OTOH, I can see the euro symbol in gnome apps and staroffice 5.2. But I can't print it. Can somebody print the Euro ¤ symbol? Maybe the euro symbol will print in 8.2? I've been able to print for over a year now using staroffice (5.0 through 5.2 to 6.0) with starcalc to create the bills I send. Admittedly at the time I first needed Window$ to put it in the template:) If you can see the it symbol in gnome you can copy it with cut paste to KDE configuration centre valuta symbols making it usable in kspread. -- Harm Bathoorn. Thank you, Harm But then, why I can't print the symbol that I can see in the screen? It happens with my two systems, both with LM8.1 One printer is hp laserjet 1200 series. The other is Lexmark Z22 with the lexmark's drivers. I have tried with lprng and cups. Can you Help? Thanks -- Well frankly you just made me discover that 5.2 defacto does not print the symbol any more. I hadn't noticed as I use 6.0 for my facturations and installed it around the same time as mdk8.1. Why it does that I'm not sure, as I have set my locale to iso8559-15 in kde. Still staroffice 6.0 does the job so it has nothing to do with the printerdrivers as staroffice uses the default ones on the machine. Be asured though: KDE and the euro are stumping people all over Europe -all with various degree's of non success. Maybe KDE3 will solve all this. Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. Thanks, Maybe we must specify to ghostscript, in some way, that it must use iso8559-15 fonts... Any idea? óscar. -- .-. oo| /`'\ Usuario de Linux Registrado #227443 (\_;/) http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Good audio recording program?
Just a thought, as I never recorded through arts, have you enabled full duplex operation in the kde control center-sound-sound server-sound I/O tab? I think you need to do this to play and record at the same time in arts. I'm assuming that your artsdsp rec output.wavcommand was run while you where playing something using real player. Try something simple first, like recording a CD track. Click the red LED under the CD slider in kmix, play a CD using kscd (or whatever), then try artsdsp rec output.wav. What do you get? (I've also never used rec, so I don't know if your syntax is correct. krecord is your friend :) Note that if you have set arts to full duplex mode, it will never release /dev/dsp so you will *have* to use arts for all sound I/O. If you turn off full duplex and wait for arts to disconnect (60secs by default?) the you can try the same as above but just use rec output.wav. Now what do you get? Don't miss-spell and cause a konsole beep, since arts will reconnect for the beep and you'll have to wait 60secs again. Nick. D. R. Evans wrote: I remember way back in LM 7.0 getting sound to work using sox without any trouble. But things are obviously more complicated these days. artsdsp rec output.wav produces a file with a WAV header, but nothing else. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
About Tiger IDE controller: if I see in 'dmesg' output UDMA(100), does it really mean my system is working at it? Or is there any other way to be quite sure that my 7200 rpm ATA 100 HD is working as expected? I've been heard about AMD chipset issues (AGP, IDE controller, etc). I hope to have a 'treasure map' with the help of you all guys :) before getting a Tyan mobo. On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Steve wrote: I have the Tyan Tiger MP (S2460), the one without the integrated stuff. Anyway has anyone gotten Mandrake to properly recognize the motherboard's chipset. The stock kernel defaults my ide speeds to UDMA(33). I installed the 2.4.17 cooker kernel, and while this kernel seems to recognize the chipset correctly, the kernel causes other things to break. Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the best kernel to use on my system? Steve -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] /etc is for miscellaneous files?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:21:45 +1100 pesarif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I read in the Linux Pocketbook that /etc is for miscellaneous files. It's only for config files isn't it? Does anyone know the significance of the name /etc (why not /config?)? Thanks, pesarif From what I understand /etc/ is a legacy from the original unix. It was the directory that held and all the rest. For more details on what goes where I'll refer you to this page. http://www.linuxbase.org/ But you are right /config would make sense for the new Linux user but it would confound those who have been around it for a while. (Not to mention breaking a lot of my scripts.) Tradition is often the reason rather than logic in names. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale?
On Friday 25 January 2002 12:24, you wrote: El vie, 25-01-2002 a las 11:52, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Friday 25 January 2002 10:22, you wrote: El jue, 24-01-2002 a las 23:18, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Thursday 24 January 2002 22:58, you wrote: Ok. Kde is a nightmare. I can't configure it and the euro symbol is currently a ? symbol. OTOH, I can see the euro symbol in gnome apps and staroffice 5.2. But I can't print it. Can somebody print the Euro ¤ symbol? Maybe the euro symbol will print in 8.2? I've been able to print for over a year now using staroffice (5.0 through 5.2 to 6.0) with starcalc to create the bills I send. Admittedly at the time I first needed Window$ to put it in the template:) If you can see the it symbol in gnome you can copy it with cut paste to KDE configuration centre valuta symbols making it usable in kspread. -- Harm Bathoorn. Thank you, Harm But then, why I can't print the symbol that I can see in the screen? It happens with my two systems, both with LM8.1 One printer is hp laserjet 1200 series. The other is Lexmark Z22 with the lexmark's drivers. I have tried with lprng and cups. Can you Help? Thanks -- Well frankly you just made me discover that 5.2 defacto does not print the symbol any more. I hadn't noticed as I use 6.0 for my facturations and installed it around the same time as mdk8.1. Why it does that I'm not sure, as I have set my locale to iso8559-15 in kde. Still staroffice 6.0 does the job so it has nothing to do with the printerdrivers as staroffice uses the default ones on the machine. Be asured though: KDE and the euro are stumping people all over Europe -all with various degree's of non success. Maybe KDE3 will solve all this. Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. Thanks, Maybe we must specify to ghostscript, in some way, that it must use iso8559-15 fonts... Any idea? óscar. -- Well I tried 'printing to file' with Star6. The thus made .ps file showed the Euro and printed it fine. If you really need the Euro badly, you could try Star6.0. It's a lot faster than 5.2 and hasn't crashed on me yet. I recommend it fot normal office use. Maybe somebody else has some more idea's:) Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. Looking for kicks? Try digital Russian Roulette; Use Outlook Express Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Confirmed dead 2.4.27.8
Praedor Tempus wrote: I have wondered but then dismissed this. My new, fresh reinstall of 8.1 (6th or 7th time in 3 days) properly recognizes and uses my 3c589 card...after I dumped the default dhcpcd install and replaced it with dhcp-common/dhcp-client rpms, that is. The big stopper now is STILL sound. I had perfectly working sound before this whole mess (started and caused repeatedly with attempts to use or build ANY form of 2.4.17 kernel) when I had a nice, self-built 2.4.13 kernel. I WANT IT BACK!! Know where I can find the kernel-source for the Mandrake 2.4.13 kernel? It worked beautifully...I had simply hoped (wrongly it turns out) that 2.4.17 would be improved even more. Boy was I wrong on that. That is the most miserably broken kernel I've ever had the displeasure to mess with. Even if you install the precompiled binary it doesn't work...and it even produces unknown symbol messages for two of its own modules (minix.o and sysv.o)! To add insult to injury, it doesn't even recognize that it has its own pcmcia modules like i82365 and ds. They are CLEARLY extant right where they are supposed to be but the kernel complains that they do not exist when trying to start pcmcia! Gee-aaw! Building it myself in various ways didn't fix the minix.o and sysv.o symbol problem and it certainly didn't do jack for pcmcia or sound. The whole reason I have been wanting to get past the 2.4.8-26mdk 8.1 kernel is because it doesn't work with my soundcard...a simple, old, never-changing ess solo1. This worked with with all the 2.2.x kernels and with 2.4.13, just not with 2.4.8 or 2.4.17. I'm getting real irate about the whole damn thing after dicking with this and that, trashing my system totally (the 2.4.17 kernels in any form installed on my system broke it so badly that it was easier to reinstall from scratch than to try to untangle the mess. praedor On Thursday 24 January 2002 14:27, you wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:17:12 -0800 (PST) Praedor Tempus [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: OK, when I got a usable 8.1 system with kernel-2.4.8-26mdk running, I decided to try one more time with kerne-2.4.17.8. This time, instead of doing a source build I just installed the binary and rebooted. It booted up and...jus as with my own build attempts, pcmcia failed miserablely and sound was dead. [little snip] Praedor, I don't mean to pour salt into an open wound, but have you considered that there just might be hardware issues here and that it's not the software? PCMCIA is some of the most notoriously miserable technology when it doesn't work right. Even on a windows machine that will normally any old POS that you throw at it. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Did you upgrade your kernel-source-2.4.8-26mdk to kernel-source-2.4.17-8mdk? I had the same problem until I forgot to upgrade my kernel source as well! That is all more likely that you are missing. HTH altoine Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What firewall to use in MDK 8.1
Lee Roberts wrote: At 08:47 AM 1/22/2002 -0600, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2002 01:34 am, Andrew George wrote: Odd...I've got Bastille running and the UDP scan at sygatetech.com can't find one open port That's my experience too Andrew, with several versions of 8.x thru 8.2 (cooker). I just use the simple basitlle firewall config in MCC. Just for grins I also install portsentry, the rpm (portsentry-1.1-3mdk) completely sets up portsentry config and starts it on boot. All the scans at sygatetech report my box (dialup) is locked up jelly tight. I sure would like to know what you guys did different from me I'm coming into the thread a little late, but what is it that you're attempting to do. I've been using Bastille-firewall very successfully for a long time with absolutely no trouble at all. I do know that Bastille-firewall is a very good intermediate-user-level program to get the basic firewall started and running. After that point though the user should have, at least, a working understanding of Iptables and rulesets to fine tune the firewall on the machine and/or network. of course the more understanding and knowledge the user has the better the firewall and the less work it is to setup and make work. daRcmaTTeR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound...what does it take?
James wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:24 +0100 H.McM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other suggestion I have is to try the 2.4.8-34 kernel from the Mandrake 81 update directory. That fixed a parallel port issue with me, but not much else besides. Or is that the one you are running? Out of the box MDK comes with... ummm 2.4.8-something-less-than-34. If all else fails, try inserting a toasted cheese sandwich into drive A. Tried that once my printer just printed out a picture of a large, bald, sweaty guy dancing on a stage. James Helen I'm still in kernel hell. The stock 2.4.8 (8.1) kernel doesn't work for me. The pcmcia is screwed (It doesn't properly deal with my old, reliable 3Com 589 pcmcia card) and sound is dead...hence trying to build a functional kernel. I HAD a perfectly fine 2.4.13 kernel for a while but then accidently trashed my system and had to reinstall. Since then, I'm in hell. To answer your question, the 2.4.17.8 kernel didn't work any better than 17.7 did for me. I have NEVER had this kind of trouble with building kernels before. I've built dozens before this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com When you rebuilt your kernel to the 2.4.17 from source, did you read in the source tree Documentation/Changes, first? These tell you the minimum install of packages that are necessary for your kernel to function properly. Like binutils, reiserfsprogs, iptables, iproute2, and etc. This helped me alot. Hopefully, it will do the same for you. altoine Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No such file or directory message from bash
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Travis Olds wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How ? If the current directory is in the PATH variable before the standard paths, someone could place a trojaned version of a program into a world writable directory. Whenever someone ran (or think they ran) a system utility from that directory, they would instead be running the fake. Yes that's a good reason to not put . at the start of your path so just put it at the end huh! Sure, then call the script ls-l or cd.. or something similar. Also remember that root does not usually have all the user bin paths by default (e.g., /usr/local/bin) so any of those commands are subject to this problem. Also, if you enter/exit a subshell, you might change your path. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What firewall to use in MDK 8.1
At 08:08 AM 1/25/2002 -0500, daRcmaTTeR wrote: Lee Roberts wrote: At 08:47 AM 1/22/2002 -0600, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2002 01:34 am, Andrew George wrote: Odd...I've got Bastille running and the UDP scan at sygatetech.com can't find one open port That's my experience too Andrew, with several versions of 8.x thru 8.2 (cooker). I just use the simple basitlle firewall config in MCC. Just for grins I also install portsentry, the rpm (portsentry-1.1-3mdk) completely sets up portsentry config and starts it on boot. All the scans at sygatetech report my box (dialup) is locked up jelly tight. I sure would like to know what you guys did different from me I'm coming into the thread a little late, but what is it that you're attempting to do. I've been using Bastille-firewall very successfully for a long time with absolutely no trouble at all. I do know that Bastille-firewall is a very good intermediate-user-level program to get the basic firewall started and running. After that point though the user should have, at least, a working understanding of Iptables and rulesets to fine tune the firewall on the machine and/or network. of course the more understanding and knowledge the user has the better the firewall and the less work it is to setup and make work. I made the statement that none of my UDP ports are blocked. Most are showing closed but there are a couple showing open. I would have expected that the default policy would be DENY but that doesn't appear to be the case. I'm trying to learn the details about creating iptables so that I can resolve this issue. Also, I am allowing access to TCP port 22 (using Bastille) but I can't seem to connect to it even though a port scan shows it open (just another problem with Bastille). Like I previously stated, it's a good thing I don't have anything on the Linux box that needs to be secured at this time. :-D Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
At 09:54 AM 1/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: About Tiger IDE controller: if I see in 'dmesg' output UDMA(100), does it really mean my system is working at it? Or is there any other way to be quite sure that my 7200 rpm ATA 100 HD is working as expected? I've been heard about AMD chipset issues (AGP, IDE controller, etc). I hope to have a 'treasure map' with the help of you all guys :) before getting a Tyan mobo. Not sure what you are looking for but you can try a couple of simple tests: run 'hdparm /dev/hdx (x = hard drive) run 'hdparm -i /dev/hdx This should tell you if DMA is turned on, and what mode you are using, i.e. UDMA4 or UDMA5. run hdparm -tT /dev/hdx This should give you some speed ranges of your drive. J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT System Administrator -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No such file or directory message from bash
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Thomas Sourmail wrote: If the current directory is in the PATH variable before the standard paths, someone could place a trojaned version of a program into a world writable directory. Whenever someone ran (or think they ran) a system utility from that directory, they would instead be running the fake. Hum.. that assumes that: 1) you have world writable directories (why would you, you know it's bad) /tmp is world writable. /var/tmp might be. There are also innumerable directories that are world/owner writable. This means that someone would need an existing account on your system. If you trust all your users then this is a non-issue (i.e., on a personal/home machine). 2) someone with bad intentions has access to your machine Yes, that would be the assumption is someone is trying to trojan your binaries. 3) you have not placed . at the end of $PATH (why would you do that since, in general, you add to the existing one) If it was at the end, you can substitute another command or typo. E.g., ls-l, rmp, cd.., mroe or something similar. You can also use commands that are not in the standard root path but are in the normal user's path (stuff in /usr/local/bin). I'm not saying that you absolutely should put the current dir into your path, but as always, it's a tradeoff between convenience and security. In this case, the danger to security is minimal, but so is the added convenience. Or am I missing something ? Thomas. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale?
El vie, 25-01-2002 a las 13:24, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Friday 25 January 2002 12:24, you wrote: El vie, 25-01-2002 a las 11:52, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Friday 25 January 2002 10:22, you wrote: El jue, 24-01-2002 a las 23:18, Harm Bathoorn escribió: On Thursday 24 January 2002 22:58, you wrote: Ok. Kde is a nightmare. I can't configure it and the euro symbol is currently a ? symbol. OTOH, I can see the euro symbol in gnome apps and staroffice 5.2. But I can't print it. Can somebody print the Euro ¤ symbol? Maybe the euro symbol will print in 8.2? I've been able to print for over a year now using staroffice (5.0 through 5.2 to 6.0) with starcalc to create the bills I send. Admittedly at the time I first needed Window$ to put it in the template:) If you can see the it symbol in gnome you can copy it with cut paste to KDE configuration centre valuta symbols making it usable in kspread. -- Harm Bathoorn. Thank you, Harm But then, why I can't print the symbol that I can see in the screen? It happens with my two systems, both with LM8.1 One printer is hp laserjet 1200 series. The other is Lexmark Z22 with the lexmark's drivers. I have tried with lprng and cups. Can you Help? Thanks -- Well frankly you just made me discover that 5.2 defacto does not print the symbol any more. I hadn't noticed as I use 6.0 for my facturations and installed it around the same time as mdk8.1. Why it does that I'm not sure, as I have set my locale to iso8559-15 in kde. Still staroffice 6.0 does the job so it has nothing to do with the printerdrivers as staroffice uses the default ones on the machine. Be asured though: KDE and the euro are stumping people all over Europe -all with various degree's of non success. Maybe KDE3 will solve all this. Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. Thanks, Maybe we must specify to ghostscript, in some way, that it must use iso8559-15 fonts... Any idea? óscar. -- Well I tried 'printing to file' with Star6. The thus made .ps file showed the Euro and printed it fine. If you really need the Euro badly, you could try Star6.0. It's a lot faster than 5.2 and hasn't crashed on me yet. I recommend it fot normal office use. Maybe somebody else has some more idea's:) Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. I'm agree with you, but I'm afraid Star6.0 does not have support for spanish (still)-: Thank you óscar -- .-. oo| /`'\ Usuario de Linux Registrado #227443 (\_;/) http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Good audio recording program?
Le Vendredi 25 Janvier 2002 05:56, vous avez écrit : Thanks for the recommendations for programs to record audio. So far (about three hours) I can't get any of them to work, but I'll keep on trying. mpegrec (in its wavrec guise) looked like it was oging to work, but it never actually wrote anything to disk. The others just entirely killed sound that had previously worked. The Linux sound HOWTO just says (basically) to copy /dev/audio or /dev/dsp, but neither of those do anything useful at all :-( I guess that my embarrassingly simple question isn't really embarrassingly simple at all. Everything else to do with sound seems to work fine (I can play CDs, listen to WAV or MP3 files or grab RealAudio off the Web). So I'm sure it isn't anything silly like a fundamental configuration problem. It may, of course, be a fundamental lack of understanding problem :-) I remember way back in LM 7.0 getting sound to work using sox without any trouble. But things are obviously more complicated these days. artsdsp rec output.wav produces a file with a WAV header, but nothing else. Doc Evans what about vsound? it runs fine for me here is the page to see what it is: http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/vsound/ bye jipe -- Il est vrai que, parfois, les militaires s'exagérant l'impuissance relative de l'intelligence, négligent de s'en servir. Charles de Gaulle. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale?
On Friday 25 January 2002 16:08, you wrote: Be asured though: KDE and the euro are stumping people all over Europe -all with various degree's of non success. Maybe KDE3 will solve all this. Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. Thanks, Maybe we must specify to ghostscript, in some way, that it must use iso8559-15 fonts... Any idea? óscar. -- Well I tried 'printing to file' with Star6. The thus made .ps file showed the Euro and printed it fine. If you really need the Euro badly, you could try Star6.0. It's a lot faster than 5.2 and hasn't crashed on me yet. I recommend it fot normal office use. Maybe somebody else has some more idea's:) Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. I'm agree with you, but I'm afraid Star6.0 does not have support for spanish (still)-: Thank you óscar Yes, It does! I just checked:) Staroffice6.0 Betaversion -- Good Hunting, Harm Bathoorn. Looking for kicks? Try digital Russian Roulette; Use Outlook Express Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] How to get mod_frontpage working!!!
Ok here is what I had to do to get the frontpage extensions working. 1. Change apache uid and gid to 101 (they have to be above 100) 2. Chown any directories that didn't get changed properly. 3. Merge commonhttpd.conf and httpd.conf (insert all the lines of commonhttpd.conf into httpd.conf at the line that says Include conf/commonhttpd.conf then either comment the line out or delete it. 4. Set the ServerName to the full URL #ServerName localhost Change to ServerName www.server.net 5. Change the lines #BindAddress * IfDefine !APACHEPROXIED Port 80 Listen 80 /IfDefine IfDefine APACHEPROXIED Port 8080 Listen 8080 /IfDefine Change to #BindAddress * Port 80 Listen 80 6. extract fp40.linux.tar.gz into /usr/local 7. run /usr/local/frontpage/version4.0/bin/fpsrvadm.exe as per the directions on the mod_frontpage site. (using apache as the Unix user) 8. restart httpd. (/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd restart) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
Thank you very much Woods. On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, J. Craig Woods wrote: At 09:54 AM 1/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: About Tiger IDE controller: if I see in 'dmesg' output UDMA(100), does it really mean my system is working at it? Or is there any other way to be quite sure that my 7200 rpm ATA 100 HD is working as expected? I've been heard about AMD chipset issues (AGP, IDE controller, etc). I hope to have a 'treasure map' with the help of you all guys :) before getting a Tyan mobo. Not sure what you are looking for but you can try a couple of simple tests: run 'hdparm /dev/hdx (x = hard drive) run 'hdparm -i /dev/hdx This should tell you if DMA is turned on, and what mode you are using, i.e. UDMA4 or UDMA5. run hdparm -tT /dev/hdx This should give you some speed ranges of your drive. J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT System Administrator -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Weird Perl Compile Problem
Hi everyone, I'm having some trouble compiling Perl with threads enabled. I'm doing this on a RedHat install (I don't want to mess up a good Linux installation with this experiment g). I am running configure by typing in sh Configure -Dusethreads -Duse5005threads -des and then I type make... the results of which are below my sig. Any ideas what might cause the error that results from this? Thanks, Tim -- Timothy R. Butler | Universal Networks | http://www.uninet.info [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 12495932 AIM: Uninettm Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz = Christian Web Services Since 1996 == `sh cflags libperl.a miniperlmain.o` miniperlmain.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a perl.o` perl.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a gv.o` gv.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a toke.o` toke.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a perly.o` perly.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a op.o` op.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a regcomp.o` regcomp.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a dump.o` dump.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a util.o` util.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a mg.o` mg.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a hv.o` hv.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a av.o` av.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a run.o` run.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a pp_hot.o` pp_hot.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a sv.o` sv.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a pp.o` pp.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a scope.o` scope.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a pp_ctl.o` pp_ctl.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a pp_sys.o` pp_sys.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a doop.o` doop.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a doio.o` doio.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a regexec.o` regexec.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a utf8.o` utf8.c CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_REENTRANT -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 `sh cflags libperl.a taint.o`
Re: [expert] Post install oddity
Further clarification. I had forgotten that I'd used MandrakeUpdate to pull and install the latest security fixes. This includes a new kernel (2.4.8-34). Unfortiunately it looks as if the install of the kernel RPM has screwed things up. The previous kernel (still running) is 2.4.8-26, but the 2.4.8-26.1mdk directory in /lib/modules has disappeared. A reboot would seem the obvious answer, but /boot/initrd.img is now a link to a non-existent initrd-2.4.8-26mdk.img and there is no equivalent file for the new version. Which means I daren't reboot. I am about to try a forced install of the pervious kernel version (having to download the rpm from a mirror). But there would appear to be a basic problem with the kernel rpm (unless I'm missing something very obvious), which is that it only seems to do half the work and leaves the system in a somewhat flakey state. Am I missing something? I'm trying to fit all this in between teaching classes, so I rarely get more than a few minutes to think about it at a time, so if I am missing something incredibly obvious, please someone put me out of my misery and everybody else accept my apologies... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Post install oddity
OK, the forced reinstall of the distro kernel worked and I can now mount my CD-ROM. My questions about the installing of a new kernel rpm remain though. What should I have done as a post-install? And why wasn't I told? -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
We just got one in a full tower case, ran the torture test of mprime for 1h and got it to overheat and crash (repeated 3x) with an air temperature of 28C !! Not something I want to put 1 month calculations job on. I'm sending it back and replacing it by a more reliable machine. Thomas. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] keyboard mapping hell - (PPC)
hi, if anyone can help, please do. I somehow toasted my keyboard settings (i think by trying to switch to Dvorak in MDK Control Center). i recovered a copy of /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from a time before this problem started, but the problem didn't go away. (!) (I'm not sure if this is the case, but it seems like a PPC distro shouldn't even include keymaps for x86? Just a crazy idea. Maybe some automatic detection could avoid ever installing inappropriate layouts for the machine. I've had this problem with both MDK and SuSE -- everything's fine with the keyboard until you try to change the mapping in a control center for the system or desktop.) So somehow, my keys are mostly OK under X (edited my XF86Config-4). I can switch to text consoles (ctrl-command-Fx), but then once there, the keymap is all wrong, I can't switch back to X or log in, the only option is a hard reset. here is the vital info: Powerbook G4 MDK 8.0 updated with many things from the Cooker. kernel: 2.4.16.6mdk-1-1mdk thanks, -i Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Sound working - and kernel 2.4.17
Progress. I downloaded and built the source for kernel-2.4.8-34 and built the solo driver into the kernel. I commented out all the sound stuff in my modules.conf, rebooted, and viola...sound, and networking. I have also had success with kernel-2.4.17 now, with a couple caveats. The first is that I downloaded the source tarball from kernel.org and configured and built that, with the solo1 driver built into the kernel as described above. Sound works. I have a problem at the moment with my 3c589 working...the module loads fine but instead of connecting I get a wierd error message: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 socket: protocol not available make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are enabled in your kernel. I'm pretty sure they are but I am rebuilding it now. Another caveat involves a host of non-fatal errors upon boot, which I also noticed on the mandrake 2.4.17 kernels when I tried them. First is: Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent AND I get a hundred or so entries in my /var/log/messages thus: clm-6005: writing inode 53605 on readonly FS. Finally, kernel-2.4.17 appears to have a problem wth kudzu. Kudzu fails to run on boot and the /var/log/messages specifies that it failed and that it should be run by hand. Assuming the 2.4.17 kernel I am presently building works with regards to networking (and doesn't give me the sit0 error message mentioned above), I will use the kernel config file I used to make it with the mandrake 2.4.17 kernel...and just add settings for the grsec security settings, leaving the rest as is. There is one especially nice benefit of building a kernel.org kernel that I had forgotten about (It has been a long time since I last built a straight kernel tarball) - the default settings in xconfig are OFF instead of EVERYTHING being turned on in the mandrake kernel config. This means you have to actively go through and turn specific things off rather than going down the list and turning things off. The way it works out, you end up turning on less than you would have activated by going through the mandrake default kernel config and turning things off - unless you are REALLY dilligent. The kernel you end up with is tighter/smaller, and the number of modules is a good deal less. --- James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:24 +0100 H.McM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other suggestion I have is to try the 2.4.8-34 kernel from the Mandrake 81 update directory. That fixed a parallel port issue with me, but not much else besides. [...] If all else fails, try inserting a toasted cheese sandwich into drive A. Tried that once my printer just printed out a picture of a large, bald, sweaty guy dancing on a stage. [...] I'm still in kernel hell. The stock 2.4.8 (8.1) kernel doesn't work for me. The pcmcia is screwed (It doesn't properly deal with my old, reliable 3Com 589 [...] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Confirmed dead 2.4.27.8
The reason I have resisted straight kernel.org kernels (up to now) is that the mandrake kernels integrate more features than the simple kernels...like the grsec settings in 2.4.17 that are not there in the kernel.org kernel. There are other niceties too. As for kernel-2.3.13, I had a working Mandrake 2.4.13, not a simple kernel.org kernel. I lost it, however, when I accidently trashed my system a couple days ago and had to reinstall 8.1 from scratch. I am trying a straight kernel.org 2.4.17 kernel, mostly with success, but am still fiddling with settings to clean it up. praedor --- mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you look here? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ it has kernel 2.4.13 Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound working - and kernel 2.4.17
Hi Praedor, I'm glad to hear that you've pretty much got it all working, but I'm curious about something. Did you say that this was a laptop? If so, do you really need kudzu running? I mean, how often does the hardware configuration change on a laptop (other than maybe an external mouse being plugged in)? And you might check your /usr/src/linux/.config and ensure you've got CONFIG_PACKET=y and CONFIG_FILTER=y enabled before you recompile to get rid of those errors. Cheers, -Charlie Praedor Tempus said: Progress. I downloaded and built the source for kernel-2.4.8-34 and built the solo driver into the kernel. I commented out all the sound stuff in my modules.conf, rebooted, and viola...sound, and networking. I have also had success with kernel-2.4.17 now, with a couple caveats. The first is that I downloaded the source tarball from kernel.org and configured and built that, with the solo1 driver built into the kernel as described above. Sound works. I have a problem at the moment with my 3c589 working...the module loads fine but instead of connecting I get a wierd error message: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 socket: protocol not available make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are enabled in your kernel. I'm pretty sure they are but I am rebuilding it now. Another caveat involves a host of non-fatal errors upon boot, which I also noticed on the mandrake 2.4.17 kernels when I tried them. First is: Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent AND I get a hundred or so entries in my /var/log/messages thus: clm-6005: writing inode 53605 on readonly FS. Finally, kernel-2.4.17 appears to have a problem wth kudzu. Kudzu fails to run on boot and the /var/log/messages specifies that it failed and that it should be run by hand. Assuming the 2.4.17 kernel I am presently building works with regards to networking (and doesn't give me the sit0 error message mentioned above), I will use the kernel config file I used to make it with the mandrake 2.4.17 kernel...and just add settings for the grsec security settings, leaving the rest as is. There is one especially nice benefit of building a kernel.org kernel that I had forgotten about (It has been a long time since I last built a straight kernel tarball) - the default settings in xconfig are OFF instead of EVERYTHING being turned on in the mandrake kernel config. This means you have to actively go through and turn specific things off rather than going down the list and turning things off. The way it works out, you end up turning on less than you would have activated by going through the mandrake default kernel config and turning things off - unless you are REALLY dilligent. The kernel you end up with is tighter/smaller, and the number of modules is a good deal less. --- James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:24 +0100 H.McM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other suggestion I have is to try the 2.4.8-34 kernel from the Mandrake 81 update directory. That fixed a parallel port issue with me, but not much else besides. [...] If all else fails, try inserting a toasted cheese sandwich into drive A. Tried that once my printer just printed out a picture of a large, bald, sweaty guy dancing on a stage. [...] I'm still in kernel hell. The stock 2.4.8 (8.1) kernel doesn't work for me. The pcmcia is screwed (It doesn't properly deal with my old, reliable 3Com 589 [...] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] floppy access in 8.1
Is it just me, or is floppy disk usage under Linux an unadulterated pain in the ass? I'm really not a newbie, but I can't get it done. I've formatted it with Gnome Floppy, with a Linux Native (ext2) file system. It formats successfully, and then I try to mount it as follows: mount /mnt/floppy and I get this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0, or too many mounted file systems. I've run mke2fs on it, to make sure that the disk has the correct file system. That seems to work. I've checked my fstab file, and the floppy entry looks like this: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 I don't know alot about this, but from what I've read, this seems like a perfectly valid fstab entry for my floppy drive. The drive works properly under Windows, and in fact, it seems that I have this problem with numerous different Linux computers. I must be doing something wrong, and I won't be surprised if it's simple and obvious, but I can't figure it out. Please help. Doug Gough Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound working - and kernel 2.4.17
Well, it is a laptop so the hardware doesn't really change beyond pcmcia cards or, perhaps, usb devices. However, one thing that consistently was happening with my system when going from 2.4.8 to 2.4.17 was kudzu would come up and re-identify my soundcard, wanting to remove the previous settings from 2.4.8. It still identified it as an ESS Solo1 (es1938) but would do something with the settings. Also, I do not have access to my desktop right now...several states away...and I would like to testdrive stuff on my laptop before I give it a go on my desktop. Problems with kudzu here may indicate that there will be problems on my desktop if I go to 2.4.17 there too. I can now turn it off on my laptop but what about desktop systems? Does 2.4.17 have a general issue with kudzu? praedor --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Praedor, I'm glad to hear that you've pretty much got it all working, but I'm curious about something. Did you say that this was a laptop? If so, do you really need kudzu running? I mean, how often does the hardware configuration change on a laptop (other than maybe an external mouse being plugged in)? And you might check your /usr/src/linux/.config and ensure you've got CONFIG_PACKET=y and CONFIG_FILTER=y enabled before you recompile to get rid of those errors. Cheers, -Charlie Praedor Tempus said: Progress. I downloaded and built the source for kernel-2.4.8-34 and built the solo driver into the kernel. I commented out all the sound stuff in my modules.conf, rebooted, and viola...sound, and networking. I have also had success with kernel-2.4.17 now, with a couple caveats. The first is that I downloaded the source tarball from kernel.org and configured and built that, with the solo1 driver built into the kernel as described above. Sound works. I have a problem at the moment with my 3c589 working...the module loads fine but instead of connecting I get a wierd error message: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 socket: protocol not available make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are enabled in your kernel. I'm pretty sure they are but I am rebuilding it now. Another caveat involves a host of non-fatal errors upon boot, which I also noticed on the mandrake 2.4.17 kernels when I tried them. First is: Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent AND I get a hundred or so entries in my /var/log/messages thus: clm-6005: writing inode 53605 on readonly FS. Finally, kernel-2.4.17 appears to have a problem wth kudzu. Kudzu fails to run on boot and the /var/log/messages specifies that it failed and that it should be run by hand. Assuming the 2.4.17 kernel I am presently building works with regards to networking (and doesn't give me the sit0 error message mentioned above), I will use the kernel config file I used to make it with the mandrake 2.4.17 kernel...and just add settings for the grsec security settings, leaving the rest as is. There is one especially nice benefit of building a kernel.org kernel that I had forgotten about (It has been a long time since I last built a straight kernel tarball) - the default settings in xconfig are OFF instead of EVERYTHING being turned on in the mandrake kernel config. This means you have to actively go through and turn specific things off rather than going down the list and turning things off. The way it works out, you end up turning on less than you would have activated by going through the mandrake default kernel config and turning things off - unless you are REALLY dilligent. The kernel you end up with is tighter/smaller, and the number of modules is a good deal less. --- James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:24 +0100 H.McM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other suggestion I have is to try the 2.4.8-34 kernel from the Mandrake 81 update directory. That fixed a parallel port issue with me, but not much else besides. [...] If all else fails, try inserting a toasted cheese sandwich into drive A. Tried that once my printer just printed out a picture of a large, bald, sweaty guy dancing on a stage. [...] I'm still in kernel hell. The stock 2.4.8 (8.1) kernel doesn't work for me. The pcmcia is screwed (It doesn't properly deal with my old, reliable 3Com 589 [...] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Re: [expert] Sound working - and kernel 2.4.17
Success! I now have 2.4.17 up and running with sound, with a working net connection, with wireless networking support. I still get error messages as previously described - I can put an end to the kudzu error message by disabling it...though this would not be the best option for a desktop system. My next move will be to try to get the current kernel config I successfully used with the basic 2.4.17 kernel with the mandrake 2.4.17.8 kernel. I still want the security updates that it has but which isn't part of the kernel.org kernel. praedor On Friday 25 January 2002 13:47, you wrote: Hi Praedor, I'm glad to hear that you've pretty much got it all working, but I'm curious about something. Did you say that this was a laptop? If so, do you really need kudzu running? I mean, how often does the hardware configuration change on a laptop (other than maybe an external mouse being plugged in)? And you might check your /usr/src/linux/.config and ensure you've got CONFIG_PACKET=y and CONFIG_FILTER=y enabled before you recompile to get rid of those errors. Cheers, -Charlie Praedor Tempus said: Progress. I downloaded and built the source for kernel-2.4.8-34 and built the solo driver into the kernel. I commented out all the sound stuff in my modules.conf, rebooted, and viola...sound, and networking. I have also had success with kernel-2.4.17 now, with a couple caveats. The first is that I downloaded the source tarball from kernel.org and configured and built that, with the solo1 driver built into the kernel as described above. Sound works. I have a problem at the moment with my 3c589 working...the module loads fine but instead of connecting I get a wierd error message: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 socket: protocol not available make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are enabled in your kernel. I'm pretty sure they are but I am rebuilding it now. Another caveat involves a host of non-fatal errors upon boot, which I also noticed on the mandrake 2.4.17 kernels when I tried them. First is: Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent AND I get a hundred or so entries in my /var/log/messages thus: clm-6005: writing inode 53605 on readonly FS. Finally, kernel-2.4.17 appears to have a problem wth kudzu. Kudzu fails to run on boot and the /var/log/messages specifies that it failed and that it should be run by hand. Assuming the 2.4.17 kernel I am presently building works with regards to networking (and doesn't give me the sit0 error message mentioned above), I will use the kernel config file I used to make it with the mandrake 2.4.17 kernel...and just add settings for the grsec security settings, leaving the rest as is. There is one especially nice benefit of building a kernel.org kernel that I had forgotten about (It has been a long time since I last built a straight kernel tarball) - the default settings in xconfig are OFF instead of EVERYTHING being turned on in the mandrake kernel config. This means you have to actively go through and turn specific things off rather than going down the list and turning things off. The way it works out, you end up turning on less than you would have activated by going through the mandrake default kernel config and turning things off - unless you are REALLY dilligent. The kernel you end up with is tighter/smaller, and the number of modules is a good deal less. --- James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:24 +0100 H.McM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other suggestion I have is to try the 2.4.8-34 kernel from the Mandrake 81 update directory. That fixed a parallel port issue with me, but not much else besides. [...] If all else fails, try inserting a toasted cheese sandwich into drive A. Tried that once my printer just printed out a picture of a large, bald, sweaty guy dancing on a stage. [...] I'm still in kernel hell. The stock 2.4.8 (8.1) kernel doesn't work for me. The pcmcia is screwed (It doesn't properly deal with my old, reliable 3Com 589 [...] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Good audio recording program?
On 25 Jan 02, at 11:41, Nick Thompson wrote: Just a thought, as I never recorded through arts, have you enabled full duplex operation in the kde control center-sound-sound server-sound I/O tab? I think you need to do this to play and record at the same time in It wasn't. I experienced thirty seconds of hope when I saw this. But switching it to Yes didn't change anything. arts. I'm assuming that your artsdsp rec output.wavcommand was run while you where playing something using real player. Yes. Try something simple first, like recording a CD track. Click the red LED under the CD slider in kmix, play a CD using kscd (or whatever), then try artsdsp rec output.wav. What do you get? (I've also never used rec, so I don't know if your syntax is correct. krecord is your friend :) I get the same as before: a WAV header but no other contents. krecord might be my friend if I could get it to do anything :-) After building and installing according to the README, if I type krecord all I get is a message that says `Xlib: extension RENDER missing on display :0.0'. Note that if you have set arts to full duplex mode, it will never release /dev/dsp so you will *have* to use arts for all sound I/O. If you turn off full duplex and wait for arts to disconnect (60secs by default?) the you can try the same as above but just use rec output.wav. Now what do you get? Don't miss-spell and cause a konsole beep, since arts will reconnect for the beep and you'll have to wait 60secs again. I get a file of non-zero length (when trying to record from a CD). When I play it back with a WAV player, I get no complaints about format or anything, but all it plays back is silence. I checked it with a Windows program that displays the actual waveform, and it agrees that the file is a valid WAV file containing silence. This is all going to turn out to be some really stupid, simple configuration option FWIW, this is all a stock LM 8.1 installation. Until I started trying to record, I hadn't messed with any of the sound settings at all. They are (or at least they were) all as set out of the box. I'll take a look at your URLs over the weekend, when I've recovered a bit from all this trauma :-) Doc Evans -- Phone: +1 303 494 0394 Mobile: +1 720 839 8462 Fax:+1 781 240 0527 -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] floppy access in 8.1
My fstab entry looks like this: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 -- and it works fine! I opened a terminal, typed mount /mnt/floppy , did an ls on it, and so on. Could umask be the missing link? Is your user in the group with access to the floppy? Doug Gough wrote: Is it just me, or is floppy disk usage under Linux an unadulterated pain in the ass? I'm really not a newbie, but I can't get it done. I've formatted it with Gnome Floppy, with a Linux Native (ext2) file system. It formats successfully, and then I try to mount it as follows: mount /mnt/floppy and I get this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0, or too many mounted file systems. I've run mke2fs on it, to make sure that the disk has the correct file system. That seems to work. I've checked my fstab file, and the floppy entry looks like this: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 I don't know alot about this, but from what I've read, this seems like a perfectly valid fstab entry for my floppy drive. The drive works properly under Windows, and in fact, it seems that I have this problem with numerous different Linux computers. I must be doing something wrong, and I won't be surprised if it's simple and obvious, but I can't figure it out. Please help. Doug Gough Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY http://w3.one.net/~lvarney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] floppy access in 8.1
On Friday 25 January 2002 22:38, you wrote: My fstab entry looks like this: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 -- and it works fine! I opened a terminal, typed mount /mnt/floppy , did an ls on it, and so on. Could umask be the missing link? Is your user in the group with access to the floppy? Doug Gough wrote: Is it just me, or is floppy disk usage under Linux an unadulterated pain in the ass? I'm really not a newbie, but I can't get it done. I've formatted it with Gnome Floppy, with a Linux Native (ext2) file system. It formats successfully, and then I try to mount it as follows: mount /mnt/floppy and I get this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0, or too many mounted file systems. I've run mke2fs on it, to make sure that the disk has the correct file system. That seems to work. I've checked my fstab file, and the floppy entry looks like this: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 I don't know alot about this, but from what I've read, this seems like a perfectly valid fstab entry for my floppy drive. The drive works properly under Windows, and in fact, it seems that I have this problem with numerous different Linux computers. I must be doing something wrong, and I won't be surprised if it's simple and obvious, but I can't figure it out. Please help. Doug Gough Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- My fstab entry includes umask=0 but I've noticed the same pains. Using different floppy drives to no avail. If I want a stable and sure floppy I first go and format it on a DOS box (does it quicker too) or with my Slackware7.1 laptop. I've had the problem since mdk7.2 and tried everything in the book. Good luck, Harm Bathoorn. Looking for kicks? Try digital Russian Roulette; Use Outlook Express Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] floppy access in 8.1
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Doug Gough wrote: Is it just me, or is floppy disk usage under Linux an unadulterated pain in the ass? I'm really not a newbie, but I can't get it done. I've formatted it with Gnome Floppy, with a Linux Native (ext2) file system. It formats successfully, and then I try to mount it as follows: mount /mnt/floppy and I get this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0, or too many mounted file systems. There are a couple ways to access floppies: 1) Use the native filesystem as you've tried. If the automount is not working, try to explicitly specify the filesystem with: mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Remember that you must sync and unmount the floppy before removing it. 2) Use the mtools package to format DOS floppies. This is useful since most people use floppies to copy one or two files. With mtools you can copy files with: mcopy somefile a: get a directory with: mdir a: etc.. Since the first doesn't work, post what steps you're taking to create the floppy. It should be something like this: fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 mke2fs /dev/fd0 mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy I've run mke2fs on it, to make sure that the disk has the correct file system. That seems to work. I've checked my fstab file, and the floppy entry looks like this: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 I don't know alot about this, but from what I've read, this seems like a perfectly valid fstab entry for my floppy drive. The drive works properly under Windows, and in fact, it seems that I have this problem with numerous different Linux computers. I must be doing something wrong, and I won't be surprised if it's simple and obvious, but I can't figure it out. Please help. Doug Gough Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] floppy access in 8.1
I used the Gnome floppy formatter to format the disk. I also went to another machine running mdk8.1 with KDE, and used the KDE formatter to create a ext2 floppy. Neither will mount by typing mount /mnt/floppy. However, if I use explicit commands: mount -t ext2 /dev/fdo /mnt/floppy it mounts and works fine. That sucks.. and it's great because it works. What will my Junior Highschool students do though? Well, they will probably use dos formatted floppies, so it's no big deal. Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] floppy access in 8.1 On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Doug Gough wrote: Is it just me, or is floppy disk usage under Linux an unadulterated pain in the ass? I'm really not a newbie, but I can't get it done. I've formatted it with Gnome Floppy, with a Linux Native (ext2) file system. It formats successfully, and then I try to mount it as follows: mount /mnt/floppy and I get this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0, or too many mounted file systems. There are a couple ways to access floppies: 1) Use the native filesystem as you've tried. If the automount is not working, try to explicitly specify the filesystem with: mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Remember that you must sync and unmount the floppy before removing it. 2) Use the mtools package to format DOS floppies. This is useful since most people use floppies to copy one or two files. With mtools you can copy files with: mcopy somefile a: get a directory with: mdir a: etc.. Since the first doesn't work, post what steps you're taking to create the floppy. It should be something like this: fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 mke2fs /dev/fd0 mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy I've run mke2fs on it, to make sure that the disk has the correct file system. That seems to work. I've checked my fstab file, and the floppy entry looks like this: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 I don't know alot about this, but from what I've read, this seems like a perfectly valid fstab entry for my floppy drive. The drive works properly under Windows, and in fact, it seems that I have this problem with numerous different Linux computers. I must be doing something wrong, and I won't be surprised if it's simple and obvious, but I can't figure it out. Please help. Doug Gough Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
Hi, We got two of those machines one with tiger and the other with thunder. You should use AMD XP processor for stability because they run cooler. Both systems run smoothly in linux and in windows. I'd like to mention that these machines run non linear finite element jobs all the time we earn money from them. I must say they are perfect for number crunching. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Thomas Sourmail Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board We just got one in a full tower case, ran the torture test of mprime for 1h and got it to overheat and crash (repeated 3x) with an air temperature of 28C !! Not something I want to put 1 month calculations job on. I'm sending it back and replacing it by a more reliable machine. Thomas. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale? -- THE SOLUTION
The problem isn't at the locales, the problem is well, i don't know where the problem is exactly, but i know the solutionIt works for me (tm) Edit your /etc/sysconfig/i18n. Add the .ISO-8859-15 suffix to all entries. Logout, login, if you have the iso-8859-15 selected in kde and if your font has the ¤ (euro) your should be able to type and display it. My /etc/sysconfig/i18n looks like this: SYSFONT=lat0-sun16 LC_MONETARY=pt_PT.ISO-8859-15 #LC_CTYPE=en_IE.ISO-8859-15 LC_NUMERIC=pt_PT.ISO-8859-15 LC_MESSAGES=en_IE.ISO-8859-15 LANG=en_IE.ISO-8859-15 LC_TIME=pt_PT.ISO-8859-15 LC_COLLATE=pt_PT.ISO-8859-15 SYSFONTACM=iso15 ATTENTION: do NOT use the @euro suffix, it DOESN'T work!!! Could someone at Mandrake check this? If i use the @euro suffix i can see but i can't type the ¤, but if i use the .ISO-8859-15 suffix kde works like it should. Em Quinta 24 Janeiro 2002 21:58, escreveste: Ok. Kde is a nightmare. I can't configure it and the euro symbol is currently a ? symbol. OTOH, I can see the euro symbol in gnome apps and staroffice 5.2. But I can't print it. Can somebody print the Euro ¤ symbol? Maybe the euro symbol will print in 8.2? .-. oo| Oscar Santacreu /`'\ Usuario de Linux Registrado #227443 (\_;/) http://counter.li.org/ Does the ¤ work just in some locales? Thanks! Jose -- Francisco Castanheiro EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: go.to/cdtracker A pessimist is never disappointed Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake kernel-2.4.17...
Sheesh, I just took a look at the Cooker rpms again and they already have kernel-2.4.17-10. In the last 3 days they've gone from 17-6 to 17-10. Only problem is there is no kernel-source to go with it yet. praedor _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
Hi, We run Mentor Graphics IC Station and Calibre physical verification and litho simulations all the time on Mandrake 8.1. 84 days uptime and counting... -- Chris -Original Message- From: kayaturk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board Hi, We got two of those machines one with tiger and the other with thunder. You should use AMD XP processor for stability because they run cooler. Both systems run smoothly in linux and in windows. I'd like to mention that these machines run non linear finite element jobs all the time we earn money from them. I must say they are perfect for number crunching. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Thomas Sourmail Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board We just got one in a full tower case, ran the torture test of mprime for 1h and got it to overheat and crash (repeated 3x) with an air temperature of 28C !! Not something I want to put 1 month calculations job on. I'm sending it back and replacing it by a more reliable machine. Thomas. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mdk 7.1 / Sparc Updates?
Greetings all, Does anyone know of a mirror with the 7.1 Sparc updates? All of the mirror sites that I have been able to find have the directory .../updates/7.1/sparc/RPMS but they are blank... is this a case of bit-rot? Regards, David -- Entropy Requires No Maintenance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] floppy access in 8.1
On Friday 25 January 2002 04:13 pm, you wrote: Is it just me, or is floppy disk usage under Linux an unadulterated pain in the ass? I'm really not a newbie, but I can't get it done. I've formatted it with Gnome Floppy, with a Linux Native (ext2) file system. It formats successfully, and then I try to mount it as follows: mount /mnt/floppy and I get this message: The floppy setup under 8.1 is screwed up. Format your floppies with DOS instead of ext2 and they work fine. Go figure. Randy Donohoe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Supermount
I have kernel-2.4.17 and have tried activating supermount. I did supermount -i enable and then edited fstab to be correct - it has entries identical to yours. I stick a floppy in and try to view it and...pop, only root can mount it. What the f*ck? How does one get supermount to work for users? Do I have to add a user entry to the supermount line? On Tuesday 22 January 2002 22:04, you wrote: I had supermount working flawlessly in 8.1, with kernel 2.4.11 the lines in supermount should look something like this I believe, (dont' quote me on this) /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,exec,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,nosuid,nodev,codepage=8 5 0 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,ro,exec,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,nosuid,nodev,codepage=8 5 0 0 0 like I said, don't quote me on that, I think its what I had... (I still have fstab.supermount, where I saved my supermount fstab file, when I was forced to remove all kernels and install the default 8.1 kernel for another reason. (I clagged my install.) then you just have to unmount and remount them... and if you have done the supermount -i enable you should be off and running.. let us know if it works... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 6:59 AM To: Mandrake Expert Subject: [expert] Supermount The old question...does supermount really work in Mandrake 8.1? I just built and installed kernel-2.4.17-1.1mdk from cooker (the stock 2.4.8 kernel would not function with my laptop) and enabled supermount support. I have tried to activate/use supermount since but it just wont work. I have /dev/hdc which is my cdrom with mountpoint /mnt/cdrom. I want supermount to function on this drive but nothing I've tried will do it. I ran supermount enable to see what output it would produce - I then added this to my /etc/fstab for the cdrom. It doesn't work. All I get is must be root to mount... yadda, yadda. I tried adding extras like user to the string of config text in the supermount line in my fstab to no avail. How dost one make supermount work in this context? praedor _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Supermount
Well, problems problems. I ALWAYS compile my kernels with supermount support built into the kernel, not as a module, because for some items I get tired of problems with modules not working (like sound modules...I HAVE to build my driver into the kernel or sound will not work). So, I built supermount support into my 2.4.17 kernel but after I added user to the supermount lines in my fstab and then tried to mount the floppy, I get supermount fs type not supported by kernel. GAH! I DID build it INTO the frickin' kernel. It HAS to support it unless the code for supermount in the 2.4.17 kernel is a joke, just some null text. Anyone else have problems like this? On Tuesday 22 January 2002 22:04, you wrote: I had supermount working flawlessly in 8.1, with kernel 2.4.11 the lines in supermount should look something like this I believe, (dont' quote me on this) /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,exec,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,nosuid,nodev,codepage=8 5 0 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,ro,exec,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,nosuid,nodev,codepage=8 5 0 0 0 like I said, don't quote me on that, I think its what I had... (I still have fstab.supermount, where I saved my supermount fstab file, when I was forced to remove all kernels and install the default 8.1 kernel for another reason. (I clagged my install.) then you just have to unmount and remount them... and if you have done the supermount -i enable you should be off and running.. let us know if it works... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 6:59 AM To: Mandrake Expert Subject: [expert] Supermount The old question...does supermount really work in Mandrake 8.1? I just built and installed kernel-2.4.17-1.1mdk from cooker (the stock 2.4.8 kernel would not function with my laptop) and enabled supermount support. I have tried to activate/use supermount since but it just wont work. I have /dev/hdc which is my cdrom with mountpoint /mnt/cdrom. I want supermount to function on this drive but nothing I've tried will do it. I ran supermount enable to see what output it would produce - I then added this to my /etc/fstab for the cdrom. It doesn't work. All I get is must be root to mount... yadda, yadda. I tried adding extras like user to the string of config text in the supermount line in my fstab to no avail. How dost one make supermount work in this context? praedor _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
We run Mentor Graphics IC Station and Calibre physical verification and litho simulations all the time on Mandrake 8.1. 84 days uptime and counting... Using XP or MP processors then ? Standard case ? Thanks, Thomas -- Chris -Original Message- From: kayaturk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board Hi, We got two of those machines one with tiger and the other with thunder. You should use AMD XP processor for stability because they run cooler. Both systems run smoothly in linux and in windows. I'd like to mention that these machines run non linear finite element jobs all the time we earn money from them. I must say they are perfect for number crunching. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Thomas Sourmail Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board We just got one in a full tower case, ran the torture test of mprime for 1h and got it to overheat and crash (repeated 3x) with an air temperature of 28C !! Not something I want to put 1 month calculations job on. I'm sending it back and replacing it by a more reliable machine. Thomas. Thomas Sourmail http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~ts228 Phase Transformations Group Department of Materials Science and Metallurgy. Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QZ. Tel: (44) (0)1223 334495 http://www.neuromat.co.uk http://www.dar.cam.ac.uk/dcbc Darwin College 25 Hertford Street Tel: 01223 572371 CB5 8HH Cambridge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No such file or directory message from bash
Yesterday... Ronald J. Hall was spotted running through the streets shrieking: Mike Tracy Holt wrote: the scheme reported above (-rwxr--r--) is read as 'user - group - other' and since the following entries show that aleksey is both owner and group, root wouldn't be an issue. I think I would go with previous posts that the executable itself is the problem? Mike Yes, you are of course, correct. Another user politely pointed this out to me. I was half asleep when I replied to the original poster (I work 12 hour night shifts) and I apologize for any confusion my reply might have caused. Sorry. Dude - no problem! Sorry 'bout the long shifts though :( Mike -- Michael Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA[EMAIL PROTECTED] === Unix is all about taking big rocks and turning them into little rocks - Windows is all about taking sand... and dumping it in your gas tank... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IDE Hardware raid
Wednesday... tester was spotted running through the streets shrieking: Mike Tracy Holt wrote: 10:49am... Lars Roland Kristiansen was spotted running through the streets...: Is there any good hardware raid controllers out there - i dont have the time to check out software raid or strange binary only drivers. I have seen a product called duplidisk witch look nice have anyone tried this ___ Mvh./Yours sincerely Lars Check out www.3ware.com Mike Arco Duplidisk is the Platform-independent IDE RAID solution available and the only one recommended by linux-ide.org. 3ware closed up its drivers and lost the recommendation about 9 months ago. Civileme Is it just me or does everyone seem to be giving up linux support lately? Mike -- Michael Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA[EMAIL PROTECTED] === Unix is all about taking big rocks and turning them into little rocks - Windows is all about taking sand... and dumping it in your gas tank... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] umounting
how do I remove a mount? I have a mount /net that is not supposed to be there and it is slowing down the system. Have I been hacked? hal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Firewall/Gateway ?
Aaron Winters wrote: I have 49 Windows PCs (all but 2 are running Win2k and they are 98se), 16 Macs one Win2k DC and 1 MDK 8.1 web, ftp, ssh server that I manage. They are on a Win2k domain and the DC does all the DNS, the client PCs all have static IPs. They all get there gateway out from a Novell server that I have no control of. I would like to add some firewall protection to my portion of the network (did I mention all the IPs are external!) and I want to be able to block the IM clients like Yahoo, AIM by killing their ports. Could I add a linux box to be the firewall and gateway without to much knowledge of setting this stuff up under Linux. Would it work by pointing the Linux box to the current gateway and change the clients to point to it for their gateway? Thanks, __ You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me! SNF is a wonderful product for this--put a box with two NICs between the network and the Novell server and add one static IP on the network side--there you will need to set up a netmask to enclose your local IPs (and you can make them local addresses) the other NIC attaches to the novell server. Now from any local station once you are installed, run a browser at https://(IP of SNF):8443 with login admin and password the admin password you set up at install time. You can configure The internet connection, specify which traffic goes through each way, forward ports to ftp or web servers if you like, bust junk by blocking domains using squidguard, and so on. SNF is very stable technology, right now based on kernel 2.2, and it is annoying to some because it does not offer a DMZ, and because editing the usual files directly on the server as root doesn't make a permanent configuration.. The browser is the tool of choice or else the study of the code to find the files that load the config files. Anyway, it is a neat package that can work with an old P166 and 64M and a little disk to make your life much easier. Civileme QA Team Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Confirmed dead 2.4.27.8
Praedor Tempus wrote: OK, when I got a usable 8.1 system with kernel-2.4.8-26mdk running, I decided to try one more time with kerne-2.4.17.8. This time, instead of doing a source build I just installed the binary and rebooted. It booted up and...jus as with my own build attempts, pcmcia failed miserablely and sound was dead. What I get are several things. First, and REALLY unfortunately, with the 2.4.17 kernels it appears that pcmcia-cs is fully incorporated into the kernel. This makes fixing the pcmcia problem very difficult. First off, ALL the friggin' pcmcia modules are there where they are supposed to be but pcmcia doesn't exist in /etc/init.d so it doesn't/can't start at bootup. I built and installed pcmcia-cs-3.1.31 and then did the /etc/init.d/pcmcia start thing and the kernel complained that i82398.o and ds.o doesn't exist. I looked and they DO exist exactly where they are supposed and expected to me. They are really really there but they are invisable somehow to the 2.4.17 kernel. I have gone back to 2.4.8 and have pcmcia working as Buddha intended. 2.4.17 IS dicked up and I would like to address the very real problem with integrating pcmcia into the kernel source. I have a couple wireless lan cards. To make them work properly I need linux-wlan-ng source. Linux-wlan-ng requires pcmcia-cs sourcecode that is properly configured for your kernel/system...and it must have a pcmcia-cs-x.x.x directory of some sort with the config information in it in order to build and install. With the pcmcia incorporated into the kernel and scattered all over several different directories, it is impossible to build linux-wlan-ng. The drivers for my wireless cards in the kernel-supplied pcmcia are crippled. They do not allow for monitoring mode, instead forcing the wimply wvlan_cs module on prism2 cards that have the capability to operate in promiscuous and monitor mode. The wvlan_cs driver doesn't allow this, not on the prism2 cards and not on orinoco cards for which it is better suited. ONLY the linux-wlan-ng drivers allow this full functionality from prism2 wireless cards. Until/unless Mandrake incorporates linux-wlan-ng prism2 drivers instead of pcmcia-cs crippled prism2 drivers into their newer kernels, it will remain absolutely necessary to download, build, and install linux-wlan-ng source based on a separate pcmcia-cs source package. This is a very real problem. I suggest you forward this to cooker list and to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Firewall/Gateway ?
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:56, Civilme wrote: SNF is a wonderful product for this--put a box with two NICs between the network and the Novell server and add one static IP on the network side--there you will need to set up a netmask to enclose your local IPs (and you can make them local addresses) the other NIC attaches to the novell server. Now from any local station once you are installed, run a browser at https://(IP of SNF):8443 with login admin and password the admin password you set up at install time. You can configure The internet connection, specify which traffic goes through each way, forward ports to ftp or web servers if you like, bust junk by blocking domains using squidguard, and so on. SNF is very stable technology, right now based on kernel 2.2, and it is annoying to some because it does not offer a DMZ, and because editing the usual files directly on the server as root doesn't make a permanent configuration.. The browser is the tool of choice or else the study of the code to find the files that load the config files. Anyway, it is a neat package that can work with an old P166 and 64M and a little disk to make your life much easier. Civileme QA Team I've been playing with this on a P75 with 24Mb RAM where it goes onto the box either via the graphical install or the text install without any dramas. In this box I have 2 NIC's and both are detected very well. The major hurdle I have now is trying to apply the updates. Httpd-naat (original) has a problem finding the offical mirrors - known problem and reason for the updated package. I manually download updates from an official mirror. Httpd-naat wipes out the default user and refuses to run at all. Kernel updates goes well, but some of the modules are not found in the newer version during boot. Apache breaks totally once the update is installed - no socket error from links http://127.0.0.1/;, which worked on the original packages. urpmi webmin can't locate the required perl-Net_SSLeay-1.05-4mdk package. Has anyone tested the update packages listed in the official updates directory with a clean install of snf7.2? In light of the problems I've experienced above, would it be about time for a newer version of snf7.2 to be released? -- CYA, Muzza. Registered Linux User 133740 Mandrake Linux 8.1 Kernel version 2.4.8-34.1mdk Current Linux uptime: 4 days 16 hours 36 minutes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting rid of a banner page
Is there a good old-fashioned text-file I can edit to change the configuration anywhere? - Theo John Haywood wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2002 15:31, you wrote: 'Configure Printer' under 'Manage Printers' showed no banner pages configured. The banner page I get is formatted as follows: username (in big text) machinename.domain.tld (in big text, cut off at right side of page) lpd: Job trailer Date: - Theo J. Grant wrote: to to http://localhost:631/ if u are using CUPS then change it in your printer options. u need to login as root Theo, I've found that occasionally CUPS settings need to be made across more than one utility for them to work properly. In my case, the page defaults weren't working (I'd set them to A4 in the web interface). Going into KUPS and setting them there fixed this Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tyan Dual AMD board
On Friday 25 January 2002 05:00 pm, kayaturk wrote: Hi, We got two of those machines one with tiger and the other with thunder. You should use AMD XP processor for stability because they run cooler. OK, I'll bite. How can you possibly know that? Not a challenge, as much as just curious (?). While I'm convinced that AMD has the better cpu's (as of right now), and the motherboard chipsets to run 'em (specially since Intel left BX)... They don't have the support for accurate core temp reporting. Intel cpu's have internal diodes, AMD does now (XP), but no motherboard support for it. and ... Measuring the cpu temp from a thermistor is about as good as measuring the temperature of wires in a wall ... by pressing a thermometer against the plaster (sheetrock). A Major reason the AMD cpu's are not generally well accepted for indusrial strength server applications. I've gotta Tbird 1.4/266 oc'd to 1.55/270 desktop. lm_sensors reports it at low 40C's most of the time, max 50C under extreme load (cpuburn, 'burnK7'). Actual core temp is probly 10 to 30C higher. Who knows ?? Most likely it runs about 15C higher internally, than reported. For those who are skeptical of oc'ing, it produces the same temps at the default 1.4ghz. BUT, I digress. AMD needs to get some real hardware i2c support. Otherwise it's all just a guess. The proposal that XP's run cooler is also just a guess, based mostly on it ought to, or they say it does. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Firewall/Gateway ?
on one of the snf mail lists there was a thread where i got told off!:-) for not reading advisories on how to update snf with regards to httpd-naat and apache, i forget which list but if iirc the procedure is to download the update rpms manually and to update apache first manually and then httpd-naat, naat-frontend-www-en manually, also iirc you have to uninstall httpd-naat first with --nodeps because of problems with some script or other, i had to reinstall recently after a failed upgrade to the new snf on cooker adn what i did was, install fresh, run the update from the web interface, note down all the rpms listed for upgrade and then fetch them manually, then, uninstalled httpd-naat and naat-frontend-www-en both --nodeps, then i uninstalled apache, php, mod_php, mod_auth_external (all these rpm names from memory) and some others - they were all listed as dependencies of the newer version of apache - using --nodeps, then i installed the newer apache and its dependencies, followed by httpd-naat, naat-backend and naat-frontend-www-en nad then any others, durng this process i noticed that i got a message saying that perl was not in the rpm database (or similar), it might be a good idea to make updating perl the first job before anythin else so that the rpm database has it listed anyway snf is now updated, i have all the users i should have, running update lists all the mirrors (doesn't find any updates presumably because there aren' any), and https://snfhost:8443 lets me in fine, whether this is the recommended way to do things i can't say but it seems to have worked for me the list that this got discussed in was either: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] what archives exist i'm not sure bascule On Saturday 26 January 2002 3:19 am, you wrote: I've been playing with this on a P75 with 24Mb RAM where it goes onto the box either via the graphical install or the text install without any dramas. In this box I have 2 NIC's and both are detected very well. The major hurdle I have now is trying to apply the updates. Httpd-naat (original) has a problem finding the offical mirrors - known problem and reason for the updated package. I manually download updates from an official mirror. Httpd-naat wipes out the default user and refuses to run at all. Kernel updates goes well, but some of the modules are not found in the newer version during boot. Apache breaks totally once the update is installed - no socket error from links http://127.0.0.1/;, which worked on the original packages. urpmi webmin can't locate the required perl-Net_SSLeay-1.05-4mdk package. Has anyone tested the update packages listed in the official updates directory with a clean install of snf7.2? In light of the problems I've experienced above, would it be about time for a newer version of snf7.2 to be released? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Confirmed dead 2.4.27.8
Praedor Tempus wrote: The reason I have resisted straight kernel.org kernels (up to now) is that the mandrake kernels integrate more features than the simple kernels...like the grsec settings in 2.4.17 that are not there in the kernel.org kernel. There are other niceties too. As for kernel-2.3.13, I had a working Mandrake 2.4.13, not a simple kernel.org kernel. I lost it, however, when I accidently trashed my system a couple days ago and had to reinstall 8.1 from scratch. I am trying a straight kernel.org 2.4.17 kernel, mostly with success, but am still fiddling with settings to clean it up. praedor --- mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you look here? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ it has kernel 2.4.13 Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Couldn't you save the configurationg of a happy Mandrake kernel that you customized and load that into the configuration of a source tarball kernel? Wouldn't that still provide a happy medium? You can also do a diff between the configuration file of a happy mandrake kernel and the configuration file of a source kernel file? Just a thought. HTH altoine Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Post install oddity
On Fri Jan 25, 2002 at 10:21:22AM -0800, Deryk Barker wrote: OK, the forced reinstall of the distro kernel worked and I can now mount my CD-ROM. My questions about the installing of a new kernel rpm remain though. What should I have done as a post-install? And why wasn't I told? You need to follow the instructions on the security updates website for the kernels... it is not meant to be done via MandrakeUpdate. That is likely why your attempt got kinda hosed. Or read the Black Magic of Updating piece I wrote for MandrakeSecure: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/magic.php -- MandrakeSoft Security, OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk uptime: 3 days 3 hours 2 minutes. msg48480/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Firewall/Gateway ?
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:41, you wrote: on one of the snf mail lists there was a thread where i got told off!:-) for not reading advisories on how to update snf with regards to httpd-naat and apache, i forget which list but if iirc the procedure is to download the update rpms manually and to update apache first manually and then httpd-naat, naat-frontend-www-en manually, also iirc you have to uninstall httpd-naat first with --nodeps because of problems with some script or other, i had to reinstall recently after a failed upgrade to the new snf on cooker adn what i did was, install fresh, run the update from the web interface, note down all the rpms listed for upgrade and then fetch them manually, then, uninstalled httpd-naat and naat-frontend-www-en both --nodeps, then i uninstalled apache, php, mod_php, mod_auth_external (all these rpm names from memory) and some others - they were all listed as dependencies of the newer version of apache - using --nodeps, then i installed the newer apache and its dependencies, followed by httpd-naat, naat-backend and naat-frontend-www-en nad then any others, durng this process i noticed that i got a message saying that perl was not in the rpm database (or similar), it might be a good idea to make updating perl the first job before anythin else so that the rpm database has it listed anyway snf is now updated, i have all the users i should have, running update lists all the mirrors (doesn't find any updates presumably because there aren' any), and https://snfhost:8443 lets me in fine, whether this is the recommended way to do things i can't say but it seems to have worked for me the list that this got discussed in was either: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] what archives exist i'm not sure bascule Thank you for the reply Bascule. The above appears to be an extremely intuiative method of doing things. I should have tried uninstalling more than just a few packages first, then updating to the newer packages. I will try your suggested method later today. Thanks again, -- CYA, Muzza. Registered Linux User 133740 Mandrake Linux 8.1 Kernel version 2.4.8-34.1mdk Current Linux uptime: 4 days 18 hours 45 minutes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Confirmed dead 2.4.27.8
nds said: Couldn't you save the configurationg of a happy Mandrake kernel that you customized and load that into the configuration of a source tarball kernel? Wouldn't that still provide a happy medium? You can also do a diff between the configuration file of a happy mandrake kernel and the configuration file of a source kernel file? Just a thought. HTH No, you can't really do that as they're not 100% compatible (read I've tried that before) :) -Charlie -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ISP setup
On Friday 25 January 2002 09:17 am, you wrote: My employer is considering getting ISP access for the 50 or so laptop users to update patient info each night. Seems it might be cheaper to setup a linux box and make the ISP themselves. Can this be done? What would be needed? A pointer to a how to would be great. thanks rob HTTP://linuxlaunchpad.net Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset=us-ascii; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: I am not too sure I'd want to be one of your 'patients'. The internet is well known for being very insecure and although I am blessed with perfect health I would still rather not have someone snooping on my medical records. Does your company intend to disclose this method of information transfer ? and indeed will most of the patients be savvy enough to make an informed choice? What form of encription will the service use and how will it be implimented ? This seems to open a whole can of worms, pehaps you can allay some of these considerations. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] floppy access in 8.1
Doug Gough [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I used the Gnome floppy formatter to format the disk. I also went to another machine running mdk8.1 with KDE, and used the KDE formatter to create a ext2 floppy. Neither will mount by typing mount /mnt/floppy. However, if I use explicit commands: mount -t ext2 /dev/fdo /mnt/floppy it mounts and works fine. That sucks.. and it's great because it works. What will my Junior Highschool students do though? Well, they will probably use dos formatted floppies, so it's no big deal. Seems like you've already noticed this, but i think the fstab entry somehow defines the floppy to have a fat filesystem - which is why you get a `wrong filesystem' error when you try mount /mnt/floppy. Also explains why it works with a dos / fat disk. I've heard that the fat filesystem is actually better than ext2 for floppies (don't know why, its just something i've heard). Is there a pressing need to use ext2? If not, why not just use fat floppies? But if you need ext2, hopefully someone can explain the changes you need to make to your fstab for ext2 to be the default. If i had to guess, i would suggest trying this in your fstab: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 user,sync,exec,noauto 0 0 BUT this is just a guess. hopefully someone can confirm this one way or the other. Maybe, if you want to use both fat and ext2, a filesystem type of `auto' instead of `ext2' would work? the mount man page has some info on that. -- Chris Spackman gpg: 9B6B 860E 7C06 787F 366F 5D3E 7152 DCB2 FC51 51B9 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
