Re: [expert] 8.2: Upgrade or clean install?
On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 02:25, David Guntner wrote: > I've downloaded the 8.2 ISO files and will be burning them to a CD when I > get a chance (once the 8.2 Powerpack box set is in the store, I'll be > picking that up). I'm currently running 8.1. Has anyone here done an > upgrade install from 8.1 to 8.2? If so, how smooth was the upgrade? Would > I be better off just copying my various config files off to the side and > doing a clean install, formatting everything except /home? > > Thoughts? Experiences? > > --Dave Based on what I've heard list members here say about upgrading and what I've experienced personally, I think a clean install and a config/data migration is the best option. Just my wooden nickel's worth. There are also some reports here regarding upgrades from 8.1 to 8.2: http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/22/0621205 Cheers, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 8.2: Upgrade or clean install?
I've downloaded the 8.2 ISO files and will be burning them to a CD when I get a chance (once the 8.2 Powerpack box set is in the store, I'll be picking that up). I'm currently running 8.1. Has anyone here done an upgrade install from 8.1 to 8.2? If so, how smooth was the upgrade? Would I be better off just copying my various config files off to the side and doing a clean install, formatting everything except /home? Thoughts? Experiences? --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Beowulf presentation
see?? Some smooth liar you are! K Ty. Was curious to see if it'd be useful to me. I don't think so. Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, FemmeFatale wrote: > > You mean there's supposed to be some other reason besides bragging > rights? Incredible. > > During the winter I've found that I can do without heating if instead I > power up the cluster. > > OK, I lied. The coldest it got here was something like 72F. I've been in > shorts and T-shirts throughout the "winter" but it was the thought that > counts. > > Seriously, though, it will eventually be used for some ray tracing > projects and maybe some math work. I've been dinking with POVRay for a > while and have been rigging the .ini files to specify which frames get > rendered on which machines. It's semi-automated with some shell scripts, > but is absolutely useless if I want to generate a single high resolution > image. > > OK, it really is just for bragging rights. :D > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree 4.2.0 (repost)
Praedor Tempus wrote: > > This brings up a question that has bothered me, though > I have never run into the problems Oscar is seeing. I > have always selected the XFree86 4.x version during > install - which Xfconfig file is THE file? It seems > that some things I add to Xfconfig-4 don't take or to > be safe, I usually add the item to BOTH xfconfig and > Xfconfig-4. > > Which is THE correct file and why are there 2 Xfconfig > files, particularly if one installs either one or the > other XFree86? XFree 4.x uses the XF86Config-4 and XFree 3.x uses the XF86Config. Both files are generated so as to accommodate either installation choices > > --- Oscar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 18:19, civileme escribió: > > > Oscar wrote: > > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > > >Mandrake 8.2 is a excelent distro, but I still > > have one problem. > > > >With Mandrake 8.1 I could have the XFree 4.x, but > > with 8.2 I am forced > > > >to use 3.3.6. > > > > > > > >When I select 4.2.0, I obtain a screen that > > blinks, that seems to be > > > >unstable and with that it is not possible to to > [...] > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Sword'sEdge VoiceMail/Fax: (866) 841-9142 x9753 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OpenGL misery
El dom, 24-03-2002 a las 10:10, Jason Guidry escribió: > Charles A Edwards wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:56:28 -0600 > > Jason Guidry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>I'm trying to complile MusE which requires qt qhich requires OpenGL. > >>all the opengl page tells me is that I already have it, but rpm says no. > >> > >>Current configuration is: > >> > >>XFree 4.1.0 with 3D hardware acceleration > >> > >>Keyboard layout: us > >>Mouse type: IMPS/2 > >>Monitor: Generic|High Frequency SVGA, 1024x768 at 70 Hz > >>Graphic card: ATI Rage 128 > >>Graphic memory: 16384 kB > >>Color depth: 65 thousand colors (16 bits) > >>Resolution: 1280x1024 > >>XFree86 driver: r128 > >> > >>I have Mesa installed: > >>Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm > >>Mesa-common-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm > >> > >>I've spent over an hour searching. what am I missing? > >> > > > > > > You need to also have installed > > libMesaGL > > libMesaGLU > > libMesaGLU-devel > > nope, sorry. rpm still complains about OpenGL. not only that, but > > [root@localhost arts]# rpm -Uvh lib* > Preparing...### > [100%] > file /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.0 from install of libMesaGL1-4.0.1-4mdk > conflicts with file from package Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk > file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/glx-3.so from install of > libMesaGL1-4.0.1-4mdk conflicts with file from package Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk > file /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1 from install of libMesaGLU1-4.0.1-4mdk > conflicts with file from package Mesa-common-3.4.2-2mdk > uhm.. i'm no expert, but shouldn't you be using same version numbers for Mesa and libMesa* ? Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]How to clone a drive
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 15:11, J. Craig Woods wrote: > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 03:34, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > I'm amazed that this is the Expert list and yet no one in this thread as > > of today has suggested using plain old "dd" and the partition devices. > > You are amazed because you are relatively new to the list. You will soon > find your amazement undergoing diminution... I'm trying not to become jaded, Craig. > -- > J. Craig Woods > UNIX/NT Network/System Administration > > -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Best Regards, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I am sorry
This is true. My experience with MDK 8.1 -- PI / 150MHz box, 64M RAM -- installed, worked just fine. PII / 250MHz box, 188M RAM -- tried to install 9 times. Never made it work. Fout times never even got thru the install program before it crashed and burned. I'm not saying MDK is perfect (what software is) and yes I was totally pissed off about the situation and called all sorts of people all sorts of names, but it's often hardware. On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:16:35 -0700, Lorne Shantz wrote: > Hey gang... one more thing to consider BEFORE you blame a distro. I've been > playing with these releases from Mandrake for a long time now. I got 8.1 > awhile back and put it on a 1.2 ghz machine and it would lock up, and no way > would it install. I tried different CD's and everything I could think of to no > avail. I was just about to blame the distro when I tried it on an identical > 1.2GHZ machine and it installed flawlessly! I mean beautifully. Something was > wrong with the hardware on that one box. Windows installed just fine. ??? Go > figure, but before you come to the conclusion it is a bad distro, consider > that it may be the hardware has problems. Just a thought. - Skippi On The Fly Photography http://204EastSouth.com Meditation -- Yoga -- Linux -- Muffins The Secrets of Life -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-(?) s: a C++ L++(+++) P E- W++ !N o? K- w--- o@ M+ PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP- t++@ 5+++ X++ R+ tv-- b++ DI D+ G e+ h+ r- y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree 4.2.0 (repost)
This brings up a question that has bothered me, though I have never run into the problems Oscar is seeing. I have always selected the XFree86 4.x version during install - which Xfconfig file is THE file? It seems that some things I add to Xfconfig-4 don't take or to be safe, I usually add the item to BOTH xfconfig and Xfconfig-4. Which is THE correct file and why are there 2 Xfconfig files, particularly if one installs either one or the other XFree86? --- Oscar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 18:19, civileme escribió: > > Oscar wrote: > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >Mandrake 8.2 is a excelent distro, but I still > have one problem. > > >With Mandrake 8.1 I could have the XFree 4.x, but > with 8.2 I am forced > > >to use 3.3.6. > > > > > >When I select 4.2.0, I obtain a screen that > blinks, that seems to be > > >unstable and with that it is not possible to to [...] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] More info on filesystem encryption.
Hi all, I've just given 8.2 a spin after being a lifelong RedHat user, and I love Mandrake - it's got some great features and is a very progressive distribution. One of the most interesting features to me in this release is the filesystem encryption, which is working great on my laptop. I'd like to learn more about how Mandrake implements this. Could anyone answer the following questions? - What packages are needed for the encrypted fs support? - Where are the encryption keys stored? - Is the stock kernel specially patched with the kerneli.org patches? - Can anyone point me to some good documentation about the method of filesystem encryption that Mandrake 8.2 uses? (not the encryption algorithm, but how to configure and administer it) One of my intentions is to move the encryption keys onto a floppy, so that a floppy disk would also need to be mounted to read the encrypted fs. I'm guessing that moving the keys onto the floppy and then symlinking them to /mnt/floppy should do the trick, if it's as straightforward as I hope. Thanks a bunch, Scott -- Scott A. Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Logitech Clicksmart 510 ......... WAS [newbie] [BUG?] [SOLVED?] opl3sa2 ISA PnP soundcard in 8.2 - yeah, I changed it!
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:31:56 -0700 Miark said onto me: > Just a quick note to say I'm glad you got this working. > Goes to show you that if Linux newbies exhibit the same > patience you have, the answers will come. Many others > would have given up by now. > > Miark GIVE UP? And do what, go back to the dark side? Forget about it. There is no way! I loved my Mandrake even withOUT sound. What gets me is that the answer was right under my nose the entire time. Even under 8.1, I could of had sound. I remember the alsa driver modules for my als4000 card being present on my system then. The modules were in the /etc/modules.conf file just not in /etc/modules! Simple! Next time on "As my Linux Install Evolves"...Webcams. Now all I got to do is get my webcam/digicam working and I can zap the other part of my dual-boot for good. Details: I have a USB Logitech ClickSmart 510 webcam/digital camera. Gphoto has no support for any Logitech devices. Gphoto2 has support for the 310 model but no other Logitech devices. Logitech themselves do not give support for their cameras for Linux. I have done multiple Google searches with various keyword combinations. The only help I found there were articles telling how to compile a kernel w/ USB support. I have working USB. Are there any other app for working with webcams? Does anyone out there have this same model of camera? Working? Does anyone have a webcam working that was not officially supported? tia Dave -- °°° Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk KDE 2.2.2 Sylpheed 0.7.4claws David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] °°° > > > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:57:11 -0500, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly: > > > Frans, > > Thank you so much for your post. I now have sound on my machine too. That is one >BIG > > step for me to being ms-free... > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:15:11 +0100 > > Frans Ketelaars said onto me: > > > > > After a fresh 'recommended' install of LM8.2 I got no sound and noticed this: > > > > > > [root@amd frans]# cat /etc/modules.conf > > > > > > alias usb-interface usb-ohci > > > alias eth0 3c59x > > > alias sound-slot-0 ad1848 > > > > > > I edited this file to read: > > > > > > [frans@amd frans]$ cat /etc/modules.conf > > > > > > alias usb-interface usb-ohci > > > alias eth0 3c59x > > > #alias sound-slot-0 ad1848 > > > alias sound-slot-0 opl3sa2 > > > > > > After rebooting I have sound support :) > > > > > > pnpdump says: > > > > > > # $Id: pnpdump_main.c,v 1.27 2001/04/30 21:54:53 fox Exp $ > > > # Release isapnptools-1.26 > > > > > > > > > > > > # Trying port address 0273 > > > # Board 1 has serial identifier 81 ff ff ff ff 20 00 a8 65 > > > > > > # (DEBUG) > > > (READPORT 0x0273) > > > (ISOLATE PRESERVE) > > > (IDENTIFY *) > > > (VERBOSITY 2) > > > (CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING > > > > > > # Card 1: (serial identifier 81 ff ff ff ff 20 00 a8 65) > > > # Vendor Id YMH0020, No Serial Number (-1), checksum 0x81. > > > # Version 1.0, Vendor version 0.0 > > > # ANSI string -->OPL3-SAX Sound Board<-- > > > # > > > # Logical device id YMH0021 > > > > > > > > > > > > I had the same problem with LM8.1 and 'modprobing the ALSA driver' worked > > > in 8.1 and 8.2. But now a simple edit of /etc/modules.conf seems enough :) > > > > > > Btw, neither DrakConf (complained about an isa-pnp module while ISA PnP > > > support is compiled into the 'standard' kernel) or 'sndconfig' was able to > > > get me sound support :( > > > > > > Btw2, I'm impressed by the ease of installing LM8.2, with a 'recommended' > > > install, I just had to answer a few simple questions to get on the internet! > > > > > > -Frans > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > °°° > > Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk > > KDE 2.2.2 Sylpheed 0.7.4claws > > > > David L. Steiner > > Registered Linux User #262493 > > Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com > > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > °°° > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] M$ has done it again. Good thing we have Linux.
On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 09:33, Michael Holt wrote: > Yesterday... Lyvim Xaphir ran for the door shrieking: > > >> Mandrake has released 8.2 with quite a few bugs, you may be one of the > >> lucky few who are using a combination of the right hardware / not using a > >> lot of the software packages available. Please, no flames, I'm not > >> working for mickeysoft, it's just the facts. I'm not going to even touch > >> 8.2 until I'm sure that enough errata are addressed. > > > >OK. No flames here...but I am kind of fuzzy on one or two points. One > >thing is that since you've stated that you haven't loaded 8.2 as yet, > >where exactly are you getting the information that it was released "with > >quite a few bugs?" "Facts".from where? > > > >Got url? > > yeah, www.mandrake.com ; sign up on the cooker list and follow > developement ;-) LM82 is not a development distro, it's a production release; so this combined with the fact that you arent doing anything with 8.2 at the moment is telling me that you're "facts" so far are unsubstantiated. > > >This all seperate examples from the last time I checked. Oh > >yeah.I'm monitoring this shit REAL close. > > > >So pardon me...but given the fact that there's M$ cloak-and-dagger > >asassins about plus several billion dollars of bribe money burning a > >hole in Be-Gay's pocket AND a M$ antitrust DOJ trial in progress, I'm > >REAL REAL skeptical of ANY bad press on LM82 right now. > > Hey, I really don't care what you do! ; I think supporting Mandrake is a > great idea! Go reserve your powerpak and help the company along - they > desparately need it right now! I'm glad you think support of Mandrake is a good idea; I've already subscribed. Have you? > As far as the tone in that last paragraph of yours though, it reads like a > cheap novel! That type of stuff is always going on to one degree or > another; talk like that however, makes it sounds like we're all a bunch of > nuts! This is the "Expert" list and I would think that most people who > are subscribed are already linux users (in which case, my "opinion" > wouldn't sway them anyway) or they're just really into getting *a LOT* of > extra email everyday?! At any rate, 8.2 does have quite a few bugs Once again, to what specifically are you referring? What bugs? From where? You haven't even loaded the distro, yet you make yourself sound like the penultimate bug expert regarding 8.2. I've already asked you to substantiate your claims, and the best you can do is refer me to the development list. You can't do any better than that? I hope you're more capable at *other* things than you are at substantiating your own claims. If not, you've got problems. > and if > you don't mind that, or you're not doing anything mission critical, by all > means, install it! Patches should be available shortly. (or since you're > an expert, you can fix 'em yourself) > > Have a great day! > Mike > > -- > Michael & Tracy Holt > Kirkland, WA[EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.holt-tech.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ===< > Unix is all about taking big rocks and turning them into little rocks - > Windows is all about taking sand... and dumping it in your gas tank... > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Edvard Wikström wrote: >Hello again, > >Civileme, I followed your suggestion I tried the memory test program. I don´t know >what conclusion to make of it. It took it 50 min to finish and then it started again. >I was expectiing a "status report" or a "summary". I didn´t get any information >about the memory health. Is this a normal behavior of the program? >Back to my problem. I used the CD2 and selected the 2.2.14 kernel, it worked (I had >to strugle a little with the partioning, it didn´t like my partioning strategy). I >still have this strange problem though. When i boot the machine I got no conection >with the screen, it is ofline during the startup. >Only at the login when X starts I get the monitor and image back. I´m really amazed >about what it wrong. Could it be the graphic card? > >/Edvard > > Hmmm, You have a Matrox? Possibly it is being recognized as mainstream and is instead Dell-Speciifc custom OEM order. Dell and Compaq have been doing little tweaks like that either to save money or to control aftermarket or both, nd of course they were big enough to have custom OEM products made to their specs. Well, it is likely that 1. The Matrox as a mainstream card _is_ a framebuffer capable device. 2. Yours is not. 3. The default boot is a framebuffer kernel. Do uou have another boot image labeled linux-nonfb? You will need to look at Boot Configuration in the Mandrake Control Center and see what is set up, because if it is as I speculated, you could not see the boot screen. If you have a nonfb boot, use it and you will see the traditional status plus green OK while it is booting. On install, did it show three small bars (blue, yellow,white) on the lower right side of the screen for theme change or four smaller pastel bars (two blue, one gray, and... ) and did the install packages section simply show two bars with the names of the packages or did it rotate through some graphics? If it did the former case, then framebuffer was not up and the graphic install was running VGA. If it did the latter and then the behavior on boot is as you described, we have a really unique case to log. Civileme > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 02:02, Kyle McDonald wrote: > > > Kyle, > > This was an excellent read. I've snipped for reasons of brevity but I > did read the whole deal. Responses below.. > Glad you liked it :) >> >>Now on something totally different. I think this grew from the thread >>that started with someone complaining that the P4 that they either had >>or were going to get wouldn't run Win95. >> >>I can't believe that this was attributed to some conspiracy between >>Intel and Microsoft. Yeah right (There are other things they're in bed >>on -- but this ain't one of them.) It's more likely Intel just not >>wanting to keep spending the large sum of money it takes to continue >>the backward compatibilty that Win95 would need. The number of people >>out there that will decide not to buy a P4 because of this is so small >>that it doesn't justify the expense. It's Capitalism, not Conspiracy. >> > > I would have thought that a Sun employee would have been the > first to jump on the M$ conspiracy bandwagon. lol! > You read .signatures huh? or was it the return address. Yes, while I may not be as religious as some in thinking of MS as the 'great satan' I still dislike them, and their actions quite a bit. > But, I feel the need to make the point that Capitalism and Conspiracy > are not mutually exclusive. To the contrary; they tend to enhance and > complement each other. Eh...to a degree...with the problem of > diminishing returns for consumer value after that. It's no secret that > Intel and M$ have been collaborating since the early days. One key > gamepiece that will ensure M$ profitability is something called planned > obscelesence. I know I'm not bringing up any points that you are not > already painfully aware of; I mention them here merely to invite your > comments on them. > You are right Capitalism has greed as one of it's driving forces. And a by product of Greed can be Conspiracy. 'Planned Obsolesence' while a direct byprodicut of capitalism isn't really a conspiracy. It's a 'good bussiness' plan. It's not new to Microsoft, or the computer industry. It's just that the speed of technology makes it more apparent. Why do you think for the longest time in america, the average car only lasted about 100,000 miles or 5 years. It wasn't because the car makers *couldn't* make a car that lasted longer. In the car industry, the Japanese came along and used 'longer life' as a key marketing point and today the US car makers have followed suit. So capitalism when played in an open market will regulate the greed on it's own. Microsoft has the advantage of being a monopoly. Intel doesn't really. Intel used have a guaranteed market for their newer processors. At first no matter how fast they were, the Spreadsheet, wordprocessor, database user could always notice the lags when the program was told to do something. People always wanted 'faster'. Some people have been addicted to this and even today they always want the 'fastest' available even just to surf the web. But have you noticed lately how much moeny Intel has been pumping into research into HIghend sound, video editing, 3D gracphics, etc. They're trying to make sure that there is constant stream of new uses for your computer coming down the pike that your processor can't handle today. Is that planned obsolesence? I don't think so. I think it's progress. I mean alot of these things are things we've always wanted. In this case greed is causing Intel to bring them to us sooner. Even if they left Video editing to someone else to do (and it took 5years) your machine still wouldn't have been able to handle it, and you'd need to upgrade. To actually make these newe things work Intel does need to make changes to it's processor architecture. Changes that make backward compatibility harder to ensure. ALos these changes and new features many times need many transitors and space on the chips, space that they might not have if they don't eliminate older technology. Add to that the fact that the majority of the public has already moved on, away from older software, and there isn't really a bussiness reason to keep the older stuff. The PC industry I feel is totally handicapped by it's desire for backward compatibility. I think you could have even faster, more stable software and hardware if the market was willing to start with a new platform. But as has been shown many times: The market isn't willing. I mean we only recently got rid of ISA slots, and while PCI has a work around, we're still limited to 15 IRQ's!!! So we're stuck here with mediocre stuff. Now for an example of a real MS-Intel conspiracy: Remember the CPU serial number thing? MS kept relatively quiet back when it was first announced. THey let Intel take the brint of the PR headaches, but I truely believe that Intel only added it to the chips at MS's request. Stolen computers, Tracking your web surfing... those were all created to confuse t
Re: [expert] OpenGL misery
Charles A Edwards wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:56:28 -0600 > Jason Guidry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I'm trying to complile MusE which requires qt qhich requires OpenGL. >>all the opengl page tells me is that I already have it, but rpm says no. >> >>Current configuration is: >> >>XFree 4.1.0 with 3D hardware acceleration >> >>Keyboard layout: us >>Mouse type: IMPS/2 >>Monitor: Generic|High Frequency SVGA, 1024x768 at 70 Hz >>Graphic card: ATI Rage 128 >>Graphic memory: 16384 kB >>Color depth: 65 thousand colors (16 bits) >>Resolution: 1280x1024 >>XFree86 driver: r128 >> >>I have Mesa installed: >>Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm >>Mesa-common-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm >> >>I've spent over an hour searching. what am I missing? >> > > > You need to also have installed > libMesaGL > libMesaGLU > libMesaGLU-devel nope, sorry. rpm still complains about OpenGL. not only that, but [root@localhost arts]# rpm -Uvh lib* Preparing...### [100%] file /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.0 from install of libMesaGL1-4.0.1-4mdk conflicts with file from package Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/glx-3.so from install of libMesaGL1-4.0.1-4mdk conflicts with file from package Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk file /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1 from install of libMesaGLU1-4.0.1-4mdk conflicts with file from package Mesa-common-3.4.2-2mdk -- Jason Guidry http://www.gmaestro.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Am I the ONLY one or does 8.2 REALLYStink??????????]
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 17:14, J. Craig Woods wrote: > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > Yeah, I'm getting real sick of this M$ cloak-and-dagger > > assassin crap. > > Now we get this one. Now you all please pardon me if you > > think I'm being slightly paranoid; > > Hey Lyvim, > > Do you think Bad Billy could in fact be lurking here? Not personally. But as Civileme has stated recently, somewhere in this very thread: "Well, remember that the list archive is public and now some advertising departments can be quoting excerpts from our archives... Pretty good ploy, I would say, and typical of the predatory attitude we _don't_ represent." So do I think that he could be employing peeps to mix things up in order to generate negative press at the grass roots level? Yes, I do think that's possible. That's why I've been watching the #mandrake channel in order to record what is happening there with 8.2 and what they say. At this time (and things may change) I have not spoken with anyone there that has had a substantially negative experience with 8.2. What fries my eggs is the people that talk about bugs and 8.2 problems without either having loaded it themselves, or bothering to actually check on what specifically any complaints might be. I'm pretty sure that from a sysadmin standpoint you've run into "seat-keyboard" space problems. Most of what I've seen have been problems of that nature, or configuration issues. So when somebody makes some kind of unsubstantiated statement like "8.2 has alot of bugs", it motivates me to get them to substantiate their claims. As you pointed out, this is after all the expert list. ;) And I havent got jaded. Yet :) > > I mean, here this guy that Dianne responded to has only > > sent three messages to the expert list since January 12; > > Hey careful about bringing the Countess Montessa into this fray. Royalty > is above that kind of thing My only response to that is that she has a "Royal" gift of gab when it comes to scaring off foggy, unsubstantiated or indefinite posts. I like that. Plus she doesn't seem at all shy when it comes to wading in to battle. > -- > J. Craig Woods > UNIX/NT Network/System Administration > > -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- > > L8R, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why Linux?
Em Domingo, Março 24, 2002, às 10:22 , Tim Holmes escreveu: > So why do you use Mac? I like Macs and they are my main machines. I do run Mandrake Linux (on a dual Celeron 500 MHz) as well. If I compare Mandrake Linux to MOSX for overall desktop use, I prefer MOSX--it looks better, it is more responsive, and lets me use highly proprietary MS stuff like Office and lets me use much of the *NIX stuff too. If I compare Mandrake Linux to Mac OS 9.x, then Linux wins hands down! ZP -- José Pedro S. do Amaral To be is to do. - I. Kant To do is to be. - J.-P. Sartre Yabba-Dabba-Doo! - F. Flinstone Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OpenGL misery now qt trauma
ok, so qt spent about 2 hours compiling...no errors. now with gmake install... rm -f /usr/local/qt/bin/qmake ln -s /usr/local/qt/qmake/qmake /usr/local/qt/bin/qmake gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/qt/qmake' cd qmake && gmake install gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/qt/qmake' [ -d /usr/local/qt/bin ] || mkdir -p /usr/local/qt/bin cp -f /usr/local/qt/bin/qmake /usr/local/qt/bin cp: `/usr/local/qt/bin/qmake' and `/usr/local/qt/bin/qmake' are the same file gmake[2]: [install] Error 1 (ignored) cp -r -f /usr/local/qt/mkspecs /usr/local/qt cp: `/usr/local/qt/mkspecs' and `/usr/local/qt/mkspecs' are the same file gmake[2]: [install] Error 1 (ignored) gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/qt/qmake' cd src/moc && gmake gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/qt/src/moc' gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target `/include/qconfig.h', needed by `qbuffer.o'. Stop. gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/qt/src/moc' gmake[1]: *** [src-moc] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/qt' gmake: *** [install] Error 2 [root@localhost qt]# this is not fun :-( wh3r m'h4xiz 47? WTF is wrong with this/me? -- Jason Guidry http://www.gmaestro.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OpenGL misery
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:56:28 -0600 Jason Guidry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm trying to complile MusE which requires qt qhich requires OpenGL. > all the opengl page tells me is that I already have it, but rpm says no. > > Current configuration is: > > XFree 4.1.0 with 3D hardware acceleration > > Keyboard layout: us > Mouse type: IMPS/2 > Monitor: Generic|High Frequency SVGA, 1024x768 at 70 Hz > Graphic card: ATI Rage 128 > Graphic memory: 16384 kB > Color depth: 65 thousand colors (16 bits) > Resolution: 1280x1024 > XFree86 driver: r128 > > I have Mesa installed: > Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm > Mesa-common-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm > > I've spent over an hour searching. what am I missing? > You need to also have installed libMesaGL libMesaGLU libMesaGLU-devel Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OpenGL misery
Luke Vandervort wrote: > Try installing with the tar.gz package instead of the rpm. Sometimes the > information obtained with the package manage is in error. Try the other and > see if you get any error messages. > I'll try it, but it's a big dog (15+MB), so It'll be a while, thanks. > Also, you may have to adjust the installation scripts to point to the proper > location of your open gl files. > Ok, 2 questions. how can I find those files and how can I point ./configure to them? > Ezra > > > On Saturday 23 March 2002 11:56 pm, you wrote: > >>I'm trying to complile MusE which requires qt qhich requires OpenGL. >>all the opengl page tells me is that I already have it, but rpm says no. -- Jason Guidry http://www.gmaestro.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree 4.2.0 (repost)
El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 18:19, civileme escribió: > Oscar wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >Mandrake 8.2 is a excelent distro, but I still have one problem. > >With Mandrake 8.1 I could have the XFree 4.x, but with 8.2 I am forced > >to use 3.3.6. > > > >When I select 4.2.0, I obtain a screen that blinks, that seems to be > >unstable and with that it is not possible to to work. > > > >With my graphics card (ATI XPERT XL), the XFree 3.3.6 version has 3D > >acceleration and the 4.2.0 version does not have it. Nevertheless, the > >version 3.3.6 seems to be slower than the version 4.1 (which I had in > >mandrake 8.1. working OK). I do not need 3D acceleration because I do > >not use the computer to play games (I would like it, but I don't have > >time)-:. I need a good 2D acceleration, and 4.x give (gave) this for me. > > > >Then, please, I need to know what can I do to get XFree 4.2 working in > >my system. > > > >Thank you. > > > >PS: When I use XFdrake, this is the info of the config when I select the > >4.2.0 version of XFree: > >--- > >XFree 4.2.0 > > > >Keyboard layout: es > >Mouse type: IMPS/2 > >Monitor: Generic|Monitor multi-frecuencia que soporta 1280x1024 a 74 Hz > >Graphic card: ATI Xpert XL > >Color depth: 4 billones de colores (32 bits) > >Resolution: 1024x768 > >XFree86 server: Mach64 > >XFree86 driver: ati > >--- > > > >And this is my working (but at slower speed) config reported by XFdrake: > > > >--- > >XFree 3.3.6 > > > >Keyboard layout: es > >Mouse type: IMPS/2 > >Monitor: Generic|Monitor multi-frecuencia que soporta 1280x1024 a 74 Hz > >Graphic card: ATI Mach64 > >Graphic memory: 4096 kB > >XFree86 server: Mach64 > >XFree86 driver: ati > >--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > OK, try to tweak some things > > run XFdrake and configure _down_ your colors to 24 bits and see what > happens... > > Try > > Option "nobitblt" > Option "sw_cursor" > > > See what happens > > Go to XFree.org and read the documentation on your particular card for > this release... Usually there are a few notes on tweaks for special > situations. > > Civileme Thank you, Civileme, I cannot find any relevant documentation in xfree.org. I have tried changing the color depth and/or the resolution with XFdrake, and using the options 'nobitblt' and 'sw_cursor' in the config file (I suppose this is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4), but this does not solves the problem. Maybe the problem is related to the config file? Or with the config file made by XFdrake for ati Match64 video cards? There are changes in the X config file between LM 8.1 and LM 8.2? Any suggestions? Thanks óscar. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OpenGL misery
Try installing with the tar.gz package instead of the rpm. Sometimes the information obtained with the package manage is in error. Try the other and see if you get any error messages. Also, you may have to adjust the installation scripts to point to the proper location of your open gl files. Ezra On Saturday 23 March 2002 11:56 pm, you wrote: > I'm trying to complile MusE which requires qt qhich requires OpenGL. > all the opengl page tells me is that I already have it, but rpm says no. > > Current configuration is: > > XFree 4.1.0 with 3D hardware acceleration > > Keyboard layout: us > Mouse type: IMPS/2 > Monitor: Generic|High Frequency SVGA, 1024x768 at 70 Hz > Graphic card: ATI Rage 128 > Graphic memory: 16384 kB > Color depth: 65 thousand colors (16 bits) > Resolution: 1280x1024 > XFree86 driver: r128 > > I have Mesa installed: > Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm > Mesa-common-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm > > I've spent over an hour searching. what am I missing? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OpenGL misery
I'm trying to complile MusE which requires qt qhich requires OpenGL. all the opengl page tells me is that I already have it, but rpm says no. Current configuration is: XFree 4.1.0 with 3D hardware acceleration Keyboard layout: us Mouse type: IMPS/2 Monitor: Generic|High Frequency SVGA, 1024x768 at 70 Hz Graphic card: ATI Rage 128 Graphic memory: 16384 kB Color depth: 65 thousand colors (16 bits) Resolution: 1280x1024 XFree86 driver: r128 I have Mesa installed: Mesa-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm Mesa-common-3.4.2-2mdk.i586.rpm I've spent over an hour searching. what am I missing? -- Jason Guidry http://www.gmaestro.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
Thanks. My poor brother got stuck with it. He IS still having trouble. I know he put some new firmware in it, but not sure if his problems have gone away. I'll forward this on to him to see if it can help him. Thanks. I'm happy to be rid of it. I just wished I hadn't given it to my brother. Sorry bro. Kyle McDonald wrote: > Lorne Shantz wrote: > > I will NEVER EVER by a MB with a via chipset again! Period. It has left me so > > bitter, that I probably wont' even get an AMD cpu next time. I went to AMD's > > website and picked a MB brand that was recommended by AMD. I spent 3 months > > screwing around, getting frustrated and cussing. Changed to an IWILL mb and all > > my problems went away. Before that I had an Intel MB, intel chip and no > > problems. It isn't that AMD sells bad product, but a LOT of MB companies are > > putting out crap. My 1.3 cents worth. > > > > I don't know if you still have the board you had troubles with, but > interestingly enough, the patches talked about in the article Felix > quoted actually seemed to solve alot more issues with VIA based MB's > than just performance problems. It might be worth checking out. > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > >>I don't think so. I found the article that lead to my comment: > >>http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/817/index.html > > Read my other post about how hard it is to test the different > combinations of PC hardware. I don't doubt you had problems. And I > bet there are a whole lot of people witht eh same MB that didn't. > > It really has a lot to do with the exact combination that you're > trying to use at any one time. You may have different components > next time and a VIA based MB might work fine. At the same time > with different components might give you similliar problems on > a board with a non-VIA chipset. There are *no* absolutes. > > And as another person said, most hardware problems are fixable in > software. Once the culprit is found many times it's a simple driver > or BIOS patch and it's gone. > > -Kyle > > -- > _ > ---ooO( )Ooo--- > Kyle J. McDonald (o o) Systems Support Engineer > Sun Microsystems Inc.| > Enterprise Server Products[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1 Network Drive BUR03-4630 \\\// voice: (781) 442-2184 > Burlington, MA 01803 (o o)fax: (781) 442-1542 > ---ooO(_)Ooo--- -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
I went with ABIT using the via 133 chipset. I used everything I could to my advantage. Contacting (or attempting to contact ABIT) was a futile effort. Bottom line is line is the via chip set it junk. I need stable. I wasn't trying to overclock and it would still do crappy stuff. Lock up, things like my Hauppauge TV card absolutely wouldn't work. I tried several other TV cards that would just lock up. I did firmware updates, bios changes, hardware changes and it was never stable and it was a issue that was becoming common knowledge. The firmware release updates were coming out fast and furious. A bad sign in my opinion. I finally gave up after I talked to about 5 people that had turned their boards in for new ones several times, still having troubles. I did too. I cut my losses and got an IWILL 266DDR mb. This one has given me no trouble in a year, so no one will convince me otherwise that via is a poor chipset. I do admin at a site that used the same via chipset and they have more weird problems than you can shake a stick at, at the desktop. I have convinced them that half their problems are the chipset. We are going with a newer mb and chipset and what do you know... the problems are going away with the crap hardware! about 800 more pc's to go. Ironically shortly after I bought the mb AMD took them off of the prefere list. My luck. :( Terry Mathews wrote: > Specifically, what were your problems? Which motherboard brand and model? > Did you make use of the tech support offered by the motherboard > manufacturer? > > Terry > > I will NEVER EVER by a MB with a via chipset again! Period. It has left me > so > > bitter, that I probably wont' even get an AMD cpu next time. I went to > AMD's > > website and picked a MB brand that was recommended by AMD. I spent 3 > months > > screwing around, getting frustrated and cussing. Changed to an IWILL mb > and all > > my problems went away. Before that I had an Intel MB, intel chip and no > > problems. It isn't that AMD sells bad product, but a LOT of MB companies > are > > putting out shit. My 1.3 cents worth. -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] what about a libpng2 substitute for mdk 8.2
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:50:32 -0600 s said onto me: > On Saturday 23 March 2002 02:00 pm, you wrote: > > and this issue still has'nt cropped up with anyone ?? > > what? no one on this list uses 8.2 (fresh install) and kmerlin ! > > well, I thought I read where you could install libpng3 too, jsut make sure it > is an install. What I read, said recomended to install libpng2, libpng3, and libpng3-devel. > but I've just been symlinking libpng.so.3.1.2.1 libpng.so.2 > and --nodeps the apps. all have worked okay, I bet kmerlin will too. > -s > > -- °°° Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk KDE 2.2.2 Sylpheed 0.7.4claws David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
Know what? Go buy your Intel SDRAM-based solution. I wouldn't want VIA to lose prescious money on you; money that you would surely use up in tech support calls. Just don't come crying to us when your prescious Intel delivers a solution that doesn't feel any faster than a P3. Terry > You need windoze to apply the patches. Contrary to popular opinion, not > every machine that runs something besides windoze multiboots the > something else with windoze. The machine I'm writing this from has never > ever booted any version of any M$ operating system. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sensor readings
On Saturday 23 March 2002 03:44 am, Brian Parish wrote: > thread I finally got around to getting sensors going on my main > box. The output I get is: > CPU core: +1.74 V (min = +1.79 V, max = +2.18 V) ALARM > +2.5V: +2.68 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +3.03 V) > I/O: +3.47 V (min = +3.03 V, max = +3.36 V) ALARM > +5V: +4.94 V (min = +4.60 V, max = +5.07 V) > +12V: +11.80 V (min = +11.03 V, max = +12.16 V) > CPU Fan: 0 RPM (min =0 RPM, div = 2) > P/S Fan: 4560 RPM (min =0 RPM, div = 2) ALARM > SYS Temp: +35.6°C (limit = +146°C, hysteresis = +50°C) > CPU Temp: +53.1°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) > SBr Temp: +20.9°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) > > Now I'm not that worried by the CPU fan reading as I can assure you > that it's going a bit quicker than that, but the ALARMs are a bit - > well...alarming. Tom and/or Civileme and/or any other hardware > heads - any comments? The system is as follows: Just opinions ;> Your I/O is great, but I'd raise your Vcore to 1.82v Fix your cooling first tho. Your cpu temp is a little too high. That's near the max you should see runnin cpuburn's 'burnK7' at 1.82 Vcore, if you want a truly bulletproof system. > > AMD 1600+ processor running at bog standard default settings > Abit KG7 mobo > Nice big heatsink, but just a thermal pad - no grease (built the > system before reading the "use grease" advice) Well, sooner or later you're gonna need to replace the pad. 1gig+ Athlon's run so hot they deteriorate thermal pads over time, and pads don't provide as efficient heat transfer as grease. So sooner is better, and increase case cooling. That XP should be runnin mid to high 40's under normal use, hopefully never over 55C under extreme load (eg, 'burnK7'). FWIW, the new XP 2200+ using a thinner die (.13 micron) and lower Vcore should run a lot cooler than any of the current Athlons. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why Linux?
To answer Femme's questions. Cocoa is developement language that is, now, heavily used on Mac OSX. It's supposed to be very simple, makes very good light weight apps. I've only seen it used on TechTV, but I've heard that it makes programming very easy. A lot of people have a lot of nice things to say about it. Not just the large number of Mac junkies. As for the original question. Why Mac anything? Your question can be asked of just about anything. In your case, of course you're not going to have any hardware problems. The software, and the hardware are created by the same people. So if they can't get that right, then they're in the wrong business. However, for an industry that has countless possible hardware configurations, the PC OS is going to run into hardware problems. But OSX is capable of running a web server, ssh server, database servers as well. You can turn off the options in both systems. It is very simple to build a machine with a Linux distro that is very slimmed down, that runs no servers at all. So if you want put together a quick list of pros and cons between your situation and many of our situations. MacOSX -- No hardware issues and tons of proprietary software for that hardware. Kind of hard to have problems when the software was written specifically for that hardware and it's present. But at the same time you only have a small list of hardware available, and Apple is one of the Kings of over charging. It's rediculous to spend Apple's prices for hardware that you can only get from them. You can't go to your local computer store and buy a new video card for a Mac. Linux -- Very stable, very capable of running various servers if needed/wanted. I have no problems finding apps and installing them to do the things that you do on your Mac. (All save Quicktime, and that's only because I refuse to pay for it.) A very vast amount of the hardware out on the market is supported or will work with some attention given to the situation, for a quarter of the price. What's the new Mac's price? $1,500? I built a 1200 AMD Tbird, 512 MG, DualHead display, Soundblaster, speakers for under $600. (So in saving almost a grand, I went on vacation twice. :') There are some hardware issues. Due to proprietary drivers, or lack of drivers, or kernel support, but the kernel has taken leaps and bounds in recent years. But these hardware issues exist in the desktop giant, M$, as well. Everything has pros and cons. The above are just simple points. I've not used OSX, meanwhile the new Mac does look pretty sweet, and the DvD authoring is really the only thing that I'd ever be interested in. I only know one truly objective Mac user. And he says he enjoys MacOSX, but it still doesn't compare to the stability of the BSD base it boasts. So why do you use Mac? tdh -- T. Holmes | UNIXTECHS.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | UIN: 17021091 +- \./ | Tim Holmes -- em@il: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (0Y0) | UIN: 17021091 -ooO--(_)--Ooo--+- | whats cocoa? | | Personally i'm looking to replace windows with it. Except for gaming | that is. | | So, I write, listen to music, surf, do heavy research, tweak & fiddle | with it. *shrugs* its a tool for me that doesn't crash. | | Femme | | Omnus Necromancy wrote: | > | > | > If your not running a server, or doing a task that requires linux | > specifically, why are you using it? | > | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com `--- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] M$ has done it again. Good thing we have Linux.
Yesterday... Lyvim Xaphir ran for the door shrieking: >> Mandrake has released 8.2 with quite a few bugs, you may be one of the >> lucky few who are using a combination of the right hardware / not using a >> lot of the software packages available. Please, no flames, I'm not >> working for mickeysoft, it's just the facts. I'm not going to even touch >> 8.2 until I'm sure that enough errata are addressed. > >OK. No flames here...but I am kind of fuzzy on one or two points. One >thing is that since you've stated that you haven't loaded 8.2 as yet, >where exactly are you getting the information that it was released "with >quite a few bugs?" "Facts".from where? > >Got url? yeah, www.mandrake.com ; sign up on the cooker list and follow developement ;-) >This all seperate examples from the last time I checked. Oh >yeah.I'm monitoring this shit REAL close. > >So pardon me...but given the fact that there's M$ cloak-and-dagger >asassins about plus several billion dollars of bribe money burning a >hole in Be-Gay's pocket AND a M$ antitrust DOJ trial in progress, I'm >REAL REAL skeptical of ANY bad press on LM82 right now. Hey, I really don't care what you do! ; I think supporting Mandrake is a great idea! Go reserve your powerpak and help the company along - they desparately need it right now! As far as the tone in that last paragraph of yours though, it reads like a cheap novel! That type of stuff is always going on to one degree or another; talk like that however, makes it sounds like we're all a bunch of nuts! This is the "Expert" list and I would think that most people who are subscribed are already linux users (in which case, my "opinion" wouldn't sway them anyway) or they're just really into getting *a LOT* of extra email everyday?! At any rate, 8.2 does have quite a few bugs and if you don't mind that, or you're not doing anything mission critical, by all means, install it! Patches should be available shortly. (or since you're an expert, you can fix 'em yourself) Have a great day! Mike -- Michael & Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.holt-tech.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===< Unix is all about taking big rocks and turning them into little rocks - Windows is all about taking sand... and dumping it in your gas tank... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Beowulf presentation
On Sunday 24 March 2002 08:03 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, FemmeFatale wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I thought some Mandrake users might be interested in this: > > > > > > Last Thursday (3/15/02) our local Linux user group > > > (http://www.flux.org) had a speaker demonstrating how to setup a > > > Beowulf. It was a small cluster consisting of only three machines, but > > > apparently could scale without modification to 10 machines and with > > > minor modifications to 16. With the addition of more control machines > > > it could scale to 255 nodes or better. > > > > And this is good for...what? Besides geek bragging rights? :) > > You mean there's supposed to be some other reason besides bragging > rights? Incredible. > > During the winter I've found that I can do without heating if instead I > power up the cluster. > > OK, I lied. The coldest it got here was something like 72F. I've been in > shorts and T-shirts throughout the "winter" but it was the thought that > counts. > > Seriously, though, it will eventually be used for some ray tracing > projects and maybe some math work. I've been dinking with POVRay for a > while and have been rigging the .ini files to specify which frames get > rendered on which machines. It's semi-automated with some shell scripts, > but is absolutely useless if I want to generate a single high resolution > image. > > OK, it really is just for bragging rights. :D You win the bragging rights contest here. Hell, it's all that I can do to keep one system working. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why Linux?
Omnus Necromancy wrote: > If your not running a server, or doing a task that requires linux > specifically, why are you using it? This sounds like troll-bait, but I can't help but answering. ;-) For me, its all about choice and freedom. Unlike Microsoft products, I'm not forced into anything. I have the freedom to use the software pretty well any way that I want. The code is open, so its much more trustworthy. I can't staned what Gates and company have done to computing. I'll never buy one of their products so long as I live and have a choice (like Linux). Also, Linux takes advantage of the hardware better, is more stable, and is much more cost efficient. Toss in mailing lists like this one, the (friendly) 'Nix community in general, and the fact that Linux is just, well..."funner" to use than Windows and there ya go... -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Beowulf presentation
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I thought some Mandrake users might be interested in this: > > > > Last Thursday (3/15/02) our local Linux user group (http://www.flux.org) > > had a speaker demonstrating how to setup a Beowulf. It was a small > > cluster consisting of only three machines, but apparently could scale > > without modification to 10 machines and with minor modifications to 16. > > With the addition of more control machines it could scale to 255 nodes > > or better. > > And this is good for...what? Besides geek bragging rights? :) You mean there's supposed to be some other reason besides bragging rights? Incredible. During the winter I've found that I can do without heating if instead I power up the cluster. OK, I lied. The coldest it got here was something like 72F. I've been in shorts and T-shirts throughout the "winter" but it was the thought that counts. Seriously, though, it will eventually be used for some ray tracing projects and maybe some math work. I've been dinking with POVRay for a while and have been rigging the .ini files to specify which frames get rendered on which machines. It's semi-automated with some shell scripts, but is absolutely useless if I want to generate a single high resolution image. OK, it really is just for bragging rights. :D Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree 4.2.0 (repost), OT vid drivers
Ty Darren. You're a doll ;) Femme Darren King wrote: > > I gonna do it tomorrow ...Ill post my findings and a step by step.. > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 21:18, FemmeFatale wrote: > > care to give me a stepbystep? :) > > > > I've never done this. > > > > Femme > > > > Darren King wrote: > > > > > > it's not hardtypical configure, make, make install sequencethe > > > only tricky thing is modifying the X startup files. > > > > > > Darren > > > > > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 10:51, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > > K thx Darren. Going to have to figure out to do that now ;p > > > > > > > > Merci > > > > Femme > > > > > > > > Darren King wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've never got the rpms to work. Download the source and build. I have > > > > > had good luck doing that. > > > > > > > > > > Dazz > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 09:23, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > > > > Where do I find 8.2 nvidia drivers? the rpm's on nvidias site don't > > > > > > work. I don't think anyway, cause I tried them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Femme > > > > > > > > > > > > civileme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, try to tweak some things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > run XFdrake and configure _down_ your colors to 24 bits and see what > > > > > > > happens... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Option "nobitblt" > > > > > > > Option "sw_cursor" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See what happens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to XFree.org and read the documentation on your particular card for > > > > > > > this release... Usually there are a few notes on tweaks for special > > > > > > > situations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civileme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree 4.2.0 (repost), OT vid drivers
I gonna do it tomorrow ...Ill post my findings and a step by step.. On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 21:18, FemmeFatale wrote: > care to give me a stepbystep? :) > > I've never done this. > > Femme > > Darren King wrote: > > > > it's not hardtypical configure, make, make install sequencethe > > only tricky thing is modifying the X startup files. > > > > Darren > > > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 10:51, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > K thx Darren. Going to have to figure out to do that now ;p > > > > > > Merci > > > Femme > > > > > > Darren King wrote: > > > > > > > > I've never got the rpms to work. Download the source and build. I have > > > > had good luck doing that. > > > > > > > > Dazz > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 09:23, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > > > Where do I find 8.2 nvidia drivers? the rpm's on nvidias site don't > > > > > work. I don't think anyway, cause I tried them. > > > > > > > > > > Femme > > > > > > > > > > civileme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OK, try to tweak some things > > > > > > > > > > > > run XFdrake and configure _down_ your colors to 24 bits and see what > > > > > > happens... > > > > > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > > > Option "nobitblt" > > > > > > Option "sw_cursor" > > > > > > > > > > > > See what happens > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to XFree.org and read the documentation on your particular card for > > > > > > this release... Usually there are a few notes on tweaks for special > > > > > > situations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Civileme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree 4.2.0 (repost), OT vid drivers
care to give me a stepbystep? :) I've never done this. Femme Darren King wrote: > > it's not hardtypical configure, make, make install sequencethe > only tricky thing is modifying the X startup files. > > Darren > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 10:51, FemmeFatale wrote: > > K thx Darren. Going to have to figure out to do that now ;p > > > > Merci > > Femme > > > > Darren King wrote: > > > > > > I've never got the rpms to work. Download the source and build. I have > > > had good luck doing that. > > > > > > Dazz > > > > > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 09:23, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > > Where do I find 8.2 nvidia drivers? the rpm's on nvidias site don't > > > > work. I don't think anyway, cause I tried them. > > > > > > > > Femme > > > > > > > > civileme wrote: > > > > > > > > > OK, try to tweak some things > > > > > > > > > > run XFdrake and configure _down_ your colors to 24 bits and see what > > > > > happens... > > > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > Option "nobitblt" > > > > > Option "sw_cursor" > > > > > > > > > > See what happens > > > > > > > > > > Go to XFree.org and read the documentation on your particular card for > > > > > this release... Usually there are a few notes on tweaks for special > > > > > situations. > > > > > > > > > > Civileme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why Linux?, OT cocoa with honey!?
On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 04:40, FemmeFatale wrote: > Amen LX. :) > > Honey in cocoa though The raw kind...not the clear yellow stuff that usually passes for honey in the stores. Something happens to the taste when you combine it with pure cocoa toobecomes more liquid chocolate than anything else. I don't know why or how, and everytime I fix one I still wonder about it. > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 17:17, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > whats cocoa? > > > > That stuff you mix with honey so you can make some hot chocolate. Cup > > of 2 parts milk, 1 part half&half, microwave for 2 minutes (YMMV). > > Spoon cocoa and honey mix into microwaved milk, stir till gone, then add > > dash cinnamon. Spray Reddi-whip on top of that (1001 uses for that > > stuff, btw) and you're set. > > > > Ummm...hang on, need to go to the kitchen for a minute... > > > > > > > > Personally i'm looking to replace windows with it. Except for gaming > > > that is. > > > > Eh? We've got Quake3, Diablo 2, Baldur's Gate2, Heroes of MM3, etc, > > etc!! What more do you want ?? > > > > Just goes to show you can't ever please a woman. ;) > > > > > So, I write, listen to music, surf, do heavy research, tweak & fiddle > > > with it. *shrugs* its a tool for me that doesn't crash. > > > > > > Femme > > > > Yes, it was the Dark Ages for quite some time. At least 10 reboots a > > day. I for one do not miss being an officer of the Registry Police. > > Quite a boring and demeaning jobplus no benefits. Heck, you had to > > pay M$ just to do their work for them. > > > > I did'nt exactly enjoy erecting fourty bazillion firewalls just to keep > > my information from getting OUT. Not even taking into consideration > > susceptibility from DoS attacks/invasions originating from outside; > > that's a whole nother story. > > > > Anyways, I don't miss it. > > Best Regards, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 02:02, Kyle McDonald wrote: Kyle, This was an excellent read. I've snipped for reasons of brevity but I did read the whole deal. Responses below.. > There are far more (what's wrong with ALi? memory?) different brands > and models to choose from in the AMD market than there are on the Intel > end of things. And once you find that's acceptable to you, you'll get > much better performance from an AMD system. Also with the added > competition you'll probably find something you can use that is even > cheaper. > > > > Now on something totally different. I think this grew from the thread > that started with someone complaining that the P4 that they either had > or were going to get wouldn't run Win95. > > I can't believe that this was attributed to some conspiracy between > Intel and Microsoft. Yeah right (There are other things they're in bed > on -- but this ain't one of them.) It's more likely Intel just not > wanting to keep spending the large sum of money it takes to continue > the backward compatibilty that Win95 would need. The number of people > out there that will decide not to buy a P4 because of this is so small > that it doesn't justify the expense. It's Capitalism, not Conspiracy. I would have thought that a Sun employee would have been the first to jump on the M$ conspiracy bandwagon. lol! But, I feel the need to make the point that Capitalism and Conspiracy are not mutually exclusive. To the contrary; they tend to enhance and complement each other. Eh...to a degree...with the problem of diminishing returns for consumer value after that. It's no secret that Intel and M$ have been collaborating since the early days. One key gamepiece that will ensure M$ profitability is something called planned obscelesence. I know I'm not bringing up any points that you are not already painfully aware of; I mention them here merely to invite your comments on them. Greed is not something to be underestimated. We in the technical world sometimes tend to assume from a subconscious standpoint that since our primary focus is technical excellence, i.e. products and solutions that work, that this same focus will be the basis for other organizations and movements in the world at large. Unfortunately this is not the case; certainly not with Microsoft, and this is true to a lesser degree with Intel. The bigger that they have gotten, the more important their marketing departments have become, and therefore the more influence that the marketing people have had on the engineering people. Money, not technical excellence, has become the major driving force behind Intel chip architecture. If you assume that Intel product is purchased mainly because Windows is sold with PC's via the M$ tax (and it is), it then becomes important that older Windows versions be taken out of the picture, because in essence these older versions of windows are supplying functionality that is in direct competition with the functionality supplied by Windows XP. Planned Obscelesence(sp?) then becomes an important strategy in your overall scheme, if that scheme is making money. To that end, strategic partnerships with your hardware people can be extremely fruitful. What do you think? Your perspective as a part of the Sun Microsystems team is naturally very important, to me anyway, and I'm looking forward to your commentary. > I don't think people realize how much money, time, and effort, it takes > to design, test, support, etc this type of thing. These chips are very > complex. The machines they end up a part of are even more so. It takes > an extraordinary effort to truely make sure of compatibility. Yes. And it's unappreciated. > This is also why I don't understand how anyone can say a motherboard, > chipset, or OS (like Mandrake Linux) is totally crap and won't work > for anyone just becuase it didn't work for them. If microsoft with > their vast budget can't test every hardware combination, How does anyone > expect Mandrake to? At least Microsoft has either inside knowledge > when writing drivers, or the hardware vendor itself writes the windows > drivers. > Linux has to rely on volunteers. Who many times don't have the chipset > documentation, or when they do, it contains errors and/or omissions, and > they can't just call or walk down the hall to the ASIC designer and ask > a question. True...and again, the efforts are sometimes unappreciated. > As high as we all think MS's prices are. They spend pretty much every > dollar they take in. Where do you think it all goes? Not all of it > goes to testing but a big chunk does. Even with all of us sending > contributions to RedHat or Mandrake it still wouldn't be a drop in the > bucket compared to to the resources MS has. > > Mandrake, Redhat, etc dont have the money to go out and buy the HW to > put together every motherboard with every sound card with every video > board and every network card. Every one of those things (and more) is a
Re: [expert] Why Linux?, OT cocoa with honey!?
Amen LX. :) Honey in cocoa though Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 17:17, FemmeFatale wrote: > > whats cocoa? > > That stuff you mix with honey so you can make some hot chocolate. Cup > of 2 parts milk, 1 part half&half, microwave for 2 minutes (YMMV). > Spoon cocoa and honey mix into microwaved milk, stir till gone, then add > dash cinnamon. Spray Reddi-whip on top of that (1001 uses for that > stuff, btw) and you're set. > > Ummm...hang on, need to go to the kitchen for a minute... > > > > > Personally i'm looking to replace windows with it. Except for gaming > > that is. > > Eh? We've got Quake3, Diablo 2, Baldur's Gate2, Heroes of MM3, etc, > etc!! What more do you want ?? > > Just goes to show you can't ever please a woman. ;) > > > So, I write, listen to music, surf, do heavy research, tweak & fiddle > > with it. *shrugs* its a tool for me that doesn't crash. > > > > Femme > > Yes, it was the Dark Ages for quite some time. At least 10 reboots a > day. I for one do not miss being an officer of the Registry Police. > Quite a boring and demeaning jobplus no benefits. Heck, you had to > pay M$ just to do their work for them. > > I did'nt exactly enjoy erecting fourty bazillion firewalls just to keep > my information from getting OUT. Not even taking into consideration > susceptibility from DoS attacks/invasions originating from outside; > that's a whole nother story. > > Anyways, I don't miss it. > > L8R on, > > LX > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 00:20, Terry Mathews wrote: > > > overclocked to 964 mhz. If you've got more URL's backing up what you > > > > I don't overclock anything. I want bulletproof. > Overclocked does not mean not stable. I've got a 1.4/266 T-Bird that runs > stable at 1.52GHz @ 143MHz bus. That means that my RAM is oced to 143MHz, > and running at CAS2 to boot. I have no, I repeat no, hardware glitches. Not > under Win98, not under Win2k, not under Linux. If you do not want to take > your chances and try overclocking your processor there are companies on the > web that sell pre-tested overclocked processors. They run them for days > straight using Prime95, so I would hazard a guess that they are stable. :-) That's impressive work, Terry. 143 mhz on the FSB is nothing to sneeze at for a T-bird. I've had trials and tribulations just getting 108 mhz on the FSB. But then again I've got a cheaper OEM grade t-bird instead of a retail boxed version. I've regretted that decision; the next Athlon processor I get will be a retail boxed XP. CAS2 at 143 mhz is impressive too. What brand and model # memory did you decide on? I got some hand picked Mushkin memory modules rated at CAS2 also, but I havent explored any memory roundups lately. It'd be interesting to know what you're running. Cheers, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bootsplash
Hello Robin You wrote about "RE: [expert] Bootsplash" > You need to uninstall the bootsplash package and remove quiet in the > append line in lilo. I've done this, well to the Grub menu list anyway and it worked. I didn't have to remove bootsplash and I reckon it looks pretty cool now :) -- 0 Dave Naylor <|> [---] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bootsplash
Hello Charles You wrote about "Re: [expert] Bootsplash" > > I've tried editing /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash and the > > /etc/bootsplash/themes/Mandrake/ config files but to no avail. > > I just want to see the messages scroll thru thats all :) > In /etc/lilo.conf remove "quiet" from the append line. Now why didn't I think of that. Doh! Anyway, cheers, it worked and now I get the scrolling messages running in the splash screen, which looks quite pretty really :) -- 0 Dave Naylor <|> [---] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 01:42, Terry Mathews wrote: > > > > > http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q1/020220/kt333-11.html > > Yes, but most games these days are very CPU and memory bandwidth intensive. > How else do you propose testing the speed of a motherboard without pushing > it's hardware? Because Mozilla does not stress the RAM bandwidth over a > continuous amount of time like Q3 does. Terry, Exactly; neither does any other application along the lines of word processor, spreadsheet, etc. There are some applications that stress the throughput (FPU power, memory bandwidth, cache effectiveness, agp bus throughput, etc), but NOTHING like a virtual reality FPS. Chances are that if your system excels under a top drawer 3D game as compared to other systems, then your system will blow a "business" system out of the water. On it's own playing field. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but here you go anyway; my contribution. :) People,and therefore computers, have a long and colorful symbiosis with games. Anybody that poo poohs games lacks an understanding of how they relate; not only to the computer hardware, but to the computer culture at large. It is particulary noteworthy that Unix, and therefore Linux itself probably owes it's existence to a game called "Space Travel". The game Space Travel itself has since been left behind sometime in the early 70's; but it gave us it's legacy in the form of the C programming language, the Unix variants and the Linux world as it exists today. Today games continue to be valuable in that they provide us a way to use our imaginations freely in imitations of reality. In addition, simulation of reality remains the single best way to stress all aspects of a computer system simultaneously. Technical arguments can be presented to prove this may be true to a greater or lesser degree but for the most part it's just plain true. Q3A and other similar games are nothing less than reality simulations. L8R, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] what about a libpng2 substitute for mdk 8.2
On Saturday 23 March 2002 02:00 pm, you wrote: > and this issue still has'nt cropped up with anyone ?? > what? no one on this list uses 8.2 (fresh install) and kmerlin ! well, I thought I read where you could install libpng3 too, jsut make sure it is an install. but I've just been symlinking libpng.so.3.1.2.1 libpng.so.2 and --nodeps the apps. all have worked okay, I bet kmerlin will too. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
I got your reply to my post, but I thought I'd reply here instead. Felix Miata wrote: > Terry Mathews wrote: > > >>>The PCI performance deficiency survived many VIA chipsets. >>> > > >>And VIA fixed it in their chipsets. The latest VIA 4-in-one drivers >>integrate the PCI timing latency patch, and will install on all VIA >> > > later . . . > > >>chipset-based mainboards including the MVP3 which is the oldest VIA based >>PCI motherboard I can think of off the top of my head. Also, until the >>advent of Ultra160 RAID cards and Ultra133 IDE controllers, there were no >>devices capable of moving data fast enough to expose this problem. VIA did >> > > A bus is designed for multiple devices, so the inability of any single > device to fill the bus when the real issue is what happens with a real > from a RAID array or a HBA with a bunch of 15,000 RPM drives is a red > herring. > I dont' understand this. Not that you don't have a point, but I think there are a few words missing in there, and I can't guess what they might be. To me it is relevant that at the time many of VIA chipsets were developed most single cards couldn't burst transfer anywhere near the PCI limit. And since we're talking about 'burst' transfers more than one card can't really effect the results because while bursting the card has the bus mastered and locked so the other cards can't get at it. > > I don't even consider them since they refuse to fix an acknowledged BIOS > bug that prevents OS/2's use of both channels of LSI chipped SCSI HBA's > in their motherboards. That leaves (due to experience) is Soyo, AOpen, > Intel and Tyan. Some popular brands I refuse to consider due to stupid > web site design that makes finding things or sharing links (frames > obstacle) too tough. > > >>I could've stated that better. The "patch" is a fix to the VIA 4-in-one >>drivers in Windows >> > > And that helps owners of systems that never have had nor ever will have > windoze installed exactly how? > > >>that when run flips a bit in the VIA chipset that makes >>the PCI bus timing more agressive. Chipsets don't contain any writable >>storage areas. BIOSes do though. All ASUS, or any other motherboard >>manufacturer has to do is program the BIOS to flip that tiny bit in the >>chipset and all is fixed (Well, tweaked technically since nothing was broken >>to start with). I know ASUS did it, as the fix is integrated into my latest >>A7V133 firmware. >> > > So if the motherboard maker is any good, the BIOS will overcome entirely > any potential "interrupted PCI bus transfers" performance limitation the > tecChannel article discussed? If that is true, I find it hard to believe > it was ignored in the article. > Well this is maybe where we're miscommunicating. Hardware these days is getting more and more complicated. HW designers know that no matter how good your spec is there will things that change. Bugs in the spec. things they will want to change to tune their products, etc. Because of this, and the fact it is very expensive to 'respin' a chip they design nearly all of the chip to be configurable through changing the values in it's registers. They supply the MB and BIOS manufacturers with sample code, and docs to use when writing the BIOS or OS Driver code that initializes these registers. Actually it is entirely possible that the BIOS initializes them correctly, and Linux inherits the right settings already. It *may* be only the Windows drivers (remember that articles tests were run on Windows) that resets some of the registers to values that impede performance. So the fact that the patch is 'windows only' may not be a problem. Even if current BIOSes also get it wrong. It's possible that there will soon be BIOS upgrades that will contain the same fixes. Also just like windows drivers can change the values in the registers, there's no reason why a Linux driver can make the same changes. I think someone already said they thought that some linux driver had actually been modified to do just that. For that matter, the Linux Driver may have had it right all along. I don't know. Only running the same tests on Linux would tell. -Kyle -- _ ---ooO( )Ooo--- Kyle J. McDonald (o o) Systems Support Engineer Sun Microsystems Inc.| Enterprise Server Products[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Network Drive BUR03-4630 \\\// voice: (781) 442-2184 Burlington, MA 01803 (o o)fax: (781) 442-1542 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] I am sorry
If everyone subscribed to this list detailed their hardware, very few would have the identical hardware! Any OS that installs out of the box on half of those is worth it's salt. Windows rely on the third party vendors to get the support right, after installing windows you then have to spend another couple of hours installing and downloading the latest patches/drives? I have been using MDK from 6.0, in fact I bought the box version, apart from a DC10 Plus Video Capture card, every piece of hardware I have had has worked out of the box. When Linux says it's installed, everything has always worked. Now that is amazing!!! Now some of you spend lots of money, or have companies supplying the latest kit, give the guys at MDK a break, they cannot always keep the drivers support on the CD's up to date with bleeding edge drivers! Well done Guys! David, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lorne Shantz Sent: 24 March 2002 05:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] I am sorry Hey gang... one more thing to consider BEFORE you blame a distro. I've been playing with these releases from Mandrake for a long time now. I got 8.1 awhile back and put it on a 1.2 ghz machine and it would lock up, and no way would it install. I tried different CD's and everything I could think of to no avail. I was just about to blame the distro when I tried it on an identical 1.2GHZ machine and it installed flawlessly! I mean beautifully. Something was wrong with the hardware on that one box. Windows installed just fine. ??? Go figure, but before you come to the conclusion it is a bad distro, consider that it may be the hardware has problems. Just a thought. Felix Miata wrote: > Cheryl Brannan wrote: > > > At 08:53 AM 3/24/02 +1100, you wrote: > > > >Way to go guysreally in the spirit of linux. Let's all mock users > > >who are having a hard time. > > > I disagree. This wasn't a user who was having a hard time and asking for > > help. This user just wanted to dial up and bitch. > > Yes and no. He explained that he had a multitude of problems resulting > from installation/attempted installation on several systems. No one in > her right mind should expect a single post enumerating many problems on > many systems to actually result in useful help. > > That post expressed the same frustration I have encountered on every > beta, rc, and release version I tried, which were the whole series of > 8.0 & 8.1 except for the second beta of 8.0 not tried at all, since a > happy install of 7.1. After seeing the kind of trouble reported in early > 8.2 beta, I decided I'd be wasting my time to try 8.2 before release. It > still looks like I should wait for 8.3. There should have been an rc2 > and maybe an rc3 before release. > -- > "And we know that all things work together for good to them that > love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." > Romans 8:28 KJV > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 > > Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] VIA Chipset Performance Handicap
Kyle McDonald wrote: > Felix Miata wrote: > > I don't overclock anything. I want bulletproof. I lied. I have a TX chipset (max 66 Mhz bus) Socket 7 (ATX) running at 83, which means the PCI bus is running 41.5. I have a similar one from the same manufacturer with the same TX chipset that won't POST above 66 (AT). But, the overclocked one doesn't get used a whole lot except as a guinea pig. > I'd like to hear your definition of bulletproof. I don't think > you can get bulletproof in any variation of todays PC architecture. > But it doesn't sound like you want to spend the money for bulletproof. Bulletproof means you wear your flak jacket instead of leaving it in the closet. It means running a 1000 MHz rated CPU at no higher than 1000 MHz, 133 MHz rated memory at no higher than 133 MHz. Difficult to cope with problems crop up often enough without inviting them violating speed limits. > I spent alot of time reading it too. And I still don't understand > where you get the 'handicapped' from. There doesn't seem to be any > evidence that there are any bugs or design flaws in the gates of the > ASICS. There only seems to be bugs in how the software drivers > initialize the registers. The patches all seem to fix the problem > easy enough. Calling this a 'handicap' is like those who call the > VIA 4 in 1 drivers 'Patches for windows' You need windoze to apply the patches. Contrary to popular opinion, not every machine that runs something besides windoze multiboots the something else with windoze. The machine I'm writing this from has never ever booted any version of any M$ operating system. -- "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 KJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
