Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On 18 May 2002 01:46:00 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 18:29, J. Craig Woods wrote: > > > Randy, > > > > Your comments are most germane, and tastefully inserted as an addendum > > in your reply. Unfortunately, the distinction you delineated between > > newbie and expert list has, over the few years I have been here, pretty > > much been loss. There are a number of reasons for this to occur. One > > reason would simply be the subjective nature of differentiating between > > a "newbie" problem and what constitutes an "expert" problem. I have said > > it here before, and I'll say it again: I would humbly estimate that > > about 60 to 70 percent of the postings on this list are within the > > "newbie" range. > > > > If you or others have a subscription to other UNIX type lists, you will > > readily see how this situation is handled. There are usually a few "list > > nazis" who do not hesitate to make the newbie feel very uncomfortable > > about posting a problem that would have been easily solved by a RTFM or > > STFW. > > > > Because the Mandrake expert list is for Mandrake Linux solutions, I > > believe it will always be as it is: a "kinder, gentler" sort of list. > > And, as such, you might as well acclimate yourself to the reality that > > this list is really just an extension to the newbie list... > > > > I hope I have engendered some thoughts on this issues, and hopefully we > > might see some thoughtful responses... > > > > Dr John, > > The Night Tripper > > I note with interest the email struggles of others on this thread. > > The issue can be distilled down to some basics. First, the primary > purpose of delineating the lists into two categories is so that you can > have two categories. The categories are "newbie" and "expert". > > While some ambiguity can be assumed, Dr John's masked frustration is > justified; there are perhaps too many newbie questions on this list, and > part of the education of any user should be to learn the general > difference between a newbie and an expert question. I feel that most > experts here can make that distinction, even if it is something that > they have not RTFM'ed before themselves. > > If it is an interesting question, yet still newbie, it can still be > posted as an interesting newbie question on the newbie list, which we > all monitor here anyway. There's not really a need for an interesting > newbie question to be posted on the expert list. Perhaps the expert > list should be reserved for interesting expert questions. :) > > Please note that I blatantly and lasciviously avoid the issue of OT > posts. ;) > > > LX > hmm.. yeah i think the categories are OK. in fact i never posted a question to expert, simply because 1) my problems never were s hard to solve ( actually they are rather stupid, being the newbie that i still consider myself to be ) 2) in the newbie list you can get answers from experts, just like on expert list. but, after all, what's the amount of 'really expert' threads in here? i think this expert list would starve to death if it were only for 'expert' stuff... obviously it kinda makes me smile when a post to expert contains very simple questions, and it does make me kinda mad when i get my mails and notice that someone posted a not-too-hard-to-answer question on both newb and expert... but hey, this is not unbareable, at least to me, and i think it will stay this way until some list-nazi comes in here 'enforcing the rules', and that day i'll be signing off. just my $0,2 ( note this extremely low value due to some little problems here in my country, making my money worth sh** ) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 00:16, Charlie wrote: > >From the perspective of a true newbie (myself); I subscribed to both lists as > well as various others to learn. I don't often post a response because I > don't really know or am unsure of the answer that I think I do have. I > haven't even had to ask too many questions, due to the availability of the > archives and the answers already there. > ***snipperoos* > > The thing about the "Open Source Community" that scares so many people is > condescension from "veterans." As in being made to feel foolish for asking a > question. Too many people feel they have to be "The World's Greatest > Authority" uncontested. **snipperoos** > > Nobody asked me for this "input;" but on this subject I'm absolutely certain. > One doesn't invite a person to join a community and then berate them for > asking questions to further their understanding. > > Not in a "civilized community" anyway. > > Perennial newbie; > -- > Charlie One thing that the veteran lists and IRC channels lacked was civility. This was something I ran into that ran rampant on the IRC channels; the problem is still out there; and I think it stems from the misperception that a person that considers themselves technically proficient is somehow better than "the little people." Today it is becoming increasingly apparent to such individuals that it is not enough to have technical skills; you also must be mature in a mental way and possess a modicum of social skills to complement your technical skills. Especially today, when Microshaft is such a threat; we need all the personnell on this side of the fence that we can get. It's stupid for a Unix sysadmin to run off new recruits simply because they have a psychiatric deficiency that causes them to leech off the positive attitudes of newbies. The practice of RTFM can be construed in a civilized way first; and then if the hint is not taken, you can always go to hammertime. You're on the wooden nickel channel (WNC) not to be confused with the Commie News Network (CNN) LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
Friday 17 May 2002 09:43 pm,Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > If there wasn't this last sentence about 'thoughtful responses' I would > not have bothered to jump in. ;-) > > IMHO the lists were just what they were, a list for expert probs and > issues and a list for newbie Q's & As. But this has changed over the time > out of several reasons: > > 1 > People sometimes tend to overestimate themselves and/or their problems. > So some users may say, I don't post on the newbie list because I'm not a > newbie. Or others may think, My problem is one of the most mind boggling > problems, it cannot be answered on a list full of newbies. Or if so it > may show that I am a newbie myself. > > Wrong. After working with Linux for a couple of years now there are a lot > of issues and areas where I regard myself as a newbie (i.e. I never > bothered about Samba and Apache, so in those areas I'm a newbie). > > 2 > Some folks think the distinction between the lists is very straight: here > newbies and there experts. So they post all questions to the expert list > because they think that all the experts are only there. > > Wrong. A lot of newbies can and do answer other newbie questions because > a lot of the newbie questions are also FAQs and may hve just been > answered the day before. Furthermore some real experts are lurking on the > newbie list and do a great job there. They have really understood one of > the pillars of the Linux Community. > > 3 > Some users start out asking questions in the newbie list because they > regard themselves as newbie. But for this or that reason their Qs will > not be answered in the newbie list. So they move the issue to the expert > list and get their answer/solution. After doing that a couple of times > they think, hey, why not save time and post to the expert list right > away? > > Wrong, but understandable. > > > I'm not too annoyed by this mingling of the lists. There are some real > newbie Qs I read where I store away the answers for future reference. > > What I do not like are those "list nazis" (while, being a german, I don't > really appreciate the term) you mentioned. *Everybody* has been a newbie > once! And everybody who uses this wonderful piece of software is obliged > to give something back to the community. > > I get a lot of mails from german users who think I am part of support and > start out like: I have this problem with your software, you must help me. > Most of their Qs are the typical 1st time questions (How do I create a > new directory, How do I find my drive C:, etc.). I cannot write a short > mail with "Buy a book, learn" and nothing else. I answer their Qs and > then I give a short (8 lines) tutorial about this "Buy a book, RTFM, Try > yourself and come back later" scheme. > > All of you who read so far have my heartfelt sympathy! > > wobo ~~~ Thanks for the sympathy. I'll pass. :-) >From the perspective of a true newbie (myself); I subscribed to both lists as well as various others to learn. I don't often post a response because I don't really know or am unsure of the answer that I think I do have. I haven't even had to ask too many questions, due to the availability of the archives and the answers already there. But on an issue that I _do_ have an answer that I'm sure of I'll post. I'm aware that there generally isn't one correct answer, but almost always more than one. But that's why I like this and the newbie list. Sometimes the second third and fourth opinions are the ones that get the questioner thinking about their problem in a way that leads them to true learning. It does for me at any rate. The thing about the "Open Source Community" that scares so many people is condescension from "veterans." As in being made to feel foolish for asking a question. Too many people feel they have to be "The World's Greatest Authority" uncontested. Never had a 'temporary cranial cloudburst?' Those are more the cause of questions that seem to fall into the RTFM category than anything. At least for me. Nobody asked me for this "input;" but on this subject I'm absolutely certain. One doesn't invite a person to join a community and then berate them for asking questions to further their understanding. Not in a "civilized community" anyway. Perennial newbie; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org You can't start worrying about what's going to happen. You get spastic enough worrying about what's happening now. -- Lauren Bacall Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 18:29, J. Craig Woods wrote: > Randy, > > Your comments are most germane, and tastefully inserted as an addendum > in your reply. Unfortunately, the distinction you delineated between > newbie and expert list has, over the few years I have been here, pretty > much been loss. There are a number of reasons for this to occur. One > reason would simply be the subjective nature of differentiating between > a "newbie" problem and what constitutes an "expert" problem. I have said > it here before, and I'll say it again: I would humbly estimate that > about 60 to 70 percent of the postings on this list are within the > "newbie" range. > > If you or others have a subscription to other UNIX type lists, you will > readily see how this situation is handled. There are usually a few "list > nazis" who do not hesitate to make the newbie feel very uncomfortable > about posting a problem that would have been easily solved by a RTFM or > STFW. > > Because the Mandrake expert list is for Mandrake Linux solutions, I > believe it will always be as it is: a "kinder, gentler" sort of list. > And, as such, you might as well acclimate yourself to the reality that > this list is really just an extension to the newbie list... > > I hope I have engendered some thoughts on this issues, and hopefully we > might see some thoughtful responses... > > Dr John, > The Night Tripper I note with interest the email struggles of others on this thread. The issue can be distilled down to some basics. First, the primary purpose of delineating the lists into two categories is so that you can have two categories. The categories are "newbie" and "expert". While some ambiguity can be assumed, Dr John's masked frustration is justified; there are perhaps too many newbie questions on this list, and part of the education of any user should be to learn the general difference between a newbie and an expert question. I feel that most experts here can make that distinction, even if it is something that they have not RTFM'ed before themselves. If it is an interesting question, yet still newbie, it can still be posted as an interesting newbie question on the newbie list, which we all monitor here anyway. There's not really a need for an interesting newbie question to be posted on the expert list. Perhaps the expert list should be reserved for interesting expert questions. :) Please note that I blatantly and lasciviously avoid the issue of OT posts. ;) LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems with SquirrelMail
I found the problem (as far as I can tell). When reading the Mandrake List I recalled a posing that was similar in nature - It was regarding the security settings - My server was set to the Higher setting so I demoted it to High and now the mail servers work. Has anyone else experienced this with MDK and/or anyone know why? I'd like to start upgrading my Samba servers that are still on MDK 7.0 Secure Server and MDK-CSE 1.0.1 but I won't until I get some of these quirks worked out. I'm not much of a seasoned Linux Email Admin, my area is with Samba, but this was driving me nuts!!! Thanks for all the help Carl Lindgren C. R. Lindgren Consulting Minneapolis, MN - Original Message - From: "Carl Lindgren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: [expert] Problems with SquirrelMail > Can any of you that use SquirrelMail help me with this? > > After loging onto the server returns this error message: > > >>> > Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in > /var/www/squirrelmail/functions/imap_general.php on line 72 > >>> > > Installed on MDK 8.2 > SquirrelMail Version is 1.2.4-1 > > Thanks for any help > Carl Lindgren > C. R. Lindgren Consulting > Minneapolis, MN > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 23:57 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
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> My choice: Leave things just like they are. (Ain't broke ==> don't fix it).
This is something I definitely agree to!
I snipped the rest of the message but I totally agree with it.
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Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Friday 17 May 2002 06:29 pm, you wrote: > Randy Kramer wrote: > > BTW: No offense intended, but this strikes me as close to a newbie level > > question (unless the details that you haven't provided so far indicate > > otherwise). What made you post it on "expert"? Again, no offense, and > > I don't consider myself an expert, but I usually try to post my > > questions to what I think is the more appropriate list, and if that was > > newbie, "escalate" it to expert only if I don't get a satisfactory > > response on newbie. Seems to me that was the intent of having a newbie > > and an expert list, and probably helps to avoid traffic for experts that > > don't want to be bothered with newbie level questions. (There are very > > expert people who lurk on the newbie list and answer questions.) If I > > misunderstand the reason for the two lists, maybe one of the list > > veterans can provide a different insight? > > Randy, > > Your comments are most germane, and tastefully inserted as an addendum > in your reply. Unfortunately, the distinction you delineated between > newbie and expert list has, over the few years I have been here, pretty > much been loss. There are a number of reasons for this to occur. One > reason would simply be the subjective nature of differentiating between > a "newbie" problem and what constitutes an "expert" problem. I have said > it here before, and I'll say it again: I would humbly estimate that > about 60 to 70 percent of the postings on this list are within the > "newbie" range. > > If you or others have a subscription to other UNIX type lists, you will > readily see how this situation is handled. There are usually a few "list > nazis" who do not hesitate to make the newbie feel very uncomfortable > about posting a problem that would have been easily solved by a RTFM or > STFW. > > Because the Mandrake expert list is for Mandrake Linux solutions, I > believe it will always be as it is: a "kinder, gentler" sort of list. > And, as such, you might as well acclimate yourself to the reality that > this list is really just an extension to the newbie list... > > I hope I have engendered some thoughts on this issues, and hopefully we > might see some thoughtful responses... > > Dr John, > The Night Tripper My analysis: Let's assume that I am an absolute newbie, that I've heard these lists are a very useful resource, so I decide to subscribe. I go to the Mandrake Linux subscription page (www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3) where I learn that the distinction between the two lists is the experience of the subscribers, not the nature of the post. Given the choice between people just as dumb as I am and those who really know their stuff, guess which one I'm apt to choose? Right: It's the expert list for me, especially if I'm a Type A kind of guy. (Yeah, I know now that there are lots of genuine wizards on the newbie list, but that's something I learned after I had subscribed and had a chance to see how good some of these people are.) An obvious alternative, of course, would be to segregate the lists on the basis of subject, e.g. Installation, Networking, Security, Hardware, Configuration, etc. Red Hat and the Mandrake Forum do this, and I think Suse also does it. I, for one, do not like it. Yes, it might make it easier to organize my inbox, but it would be at the expense of following multiple threads on the same topic (my configuration question is your hardware question), cross-posting (I need an answer NOW, dammit, so I'll ask everyone) and searching multiple archives for stuff I forgot to save. (Yeah, I know, Google is my friend. Sometimes, though, it's easier to just browse through a list.) My choice: Leave things just like they are. (Ain't broke ==> don't fix it). You've got to stretch to find anything resembling list-Nazism here, flames are few and far between, RTFM's and STFW's almost non-existent -- we're a pretty tolerant community. Yeah, we tend to wander off of topic sometimes (more so on the newbie list), there's the odd HTML posting, inappropriate attachments happen, sometimes we forget that not everyone has unlimited flat rate web access, and maybe some of the postings are to the wrong list, but this is about as good as it gets, and that's damn good. For those of you who only subscribe to the expert list: There's been some discussion on the newbie list about a separate list for off-topic stuff, but I don't think that's going to work, since most OT stuff seems to be forks from legitimate threads. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 17:29 -0500, J. Craig Woods wrote: > Randy Kramer wrote: > > > > BTW: No offense intended, but this strikes me as close to a newbie level > > question (unless the details that you haven't provided so far indicate > > otherwise). What made you post it on "expert"? Again, no offense, and > > I don't consider myself an expert, but I usually try to post my > > questions to what I think is the more appropriate list, and if that was > > newbie, "escalate" it to expert only if I don't get a satisfactory > > response on newbie. Seems to me that was the intent of having a newbie > > and an expert list, and probably helps to avoid traffic for experts that > > don't want to be bothered with newbie level questions. (There are very > > expert people who lurk on the newbie list and answer questions.) If I > > misunderstand the reason for the two lists, maybe one of the list > > veterans can provide a different insight? > > > > Randy, > > Your comments are most germane, and tastefully inserted as an addendum > in your reply. Unfortunately, the distinction you delineated between > newbie and expert list has, over the few years I have been here, pretty > much been loss. There are a number of reasons for this to occur. One > reason would simply be the subjective nature of differentiating between > a "newbie" problem and what constitutes an "expert" problem. I have said > it here before, and I'll say it again: I would humbly estimate that > about 60 to 70 percent of the postings on this list are within the > "newbie" range. > > If you or others have a subscription to other UNIX type lists, you will > readily see how this situation is handled. There are usually a few "list > nazis" who do not hesitate to make the newbie feel very uncomfortable > about posting a problem that would have been easily solved by a RTFM or > STFW. > > Because the Mandrake expert list is for Mandrake Linux solutions, I > believe it will always be as it is: a "kinder, gentler" sort of list. > And, as such, you might as well acclimate yourself to the reality that > this list is really just an extension to the newbie list... > > I hope I have engendered some thoughts on this issues, and hopefully we > might see some thoughtful responses... If there wasn't this last sentence about 'thoughtful responses' I would not have bothered to jump in. ;-) IMHO the lists were just what they were, a list for expert probs and issues and a list for newbie Qs & As. But this has changed over the time out of several reasons: 1 People sometimes tend to overestimate themselves and/or their problems. So some users may say, I don't post on the newbie list because I'm not a newbie. Or others may think, My problem is one of the most mind boggling problems, it cannot be answered on a list full of newbies. Or if so it may show that I am a newbie myself. Wrong. After working with Linux for a couple of years now there are a lot of issues and areas where I regard myself as a newbie (i.e. I never bothered about Samba and Apache, so in those areas I'm a newbie). 2 Some folks think the distinction between the lists is very straight: here newbies and there experts. So they post all questions to the expert list because they think that all the experts are only there. Wrong. A lot of newbies can and do answer other newbie questions because a lot of the newbie questions are also FAQs and may hve just been answered the day before. Furthermore some real experts are lurking on the newbie list and do a great job there. They have really understood one of the pillars of the Linux Community. 3 Some users start out asking questions in the newbie list because they regard themselves as newbie. But for this or that reason their Qs will not be answered in the newbie list. So they move the issue to the expert list and get their answer/solution. After doing that a couple of times they think, hey, why not save time and post to the expert list right away? Wrong, but understandable. I'm not too annoyed by this mingling of the lists. There are some real newbie Qs I read where I store away the answers for future reference. What I do not like are those "list nazis" (while, being a german, I don't really appreciate the term) you mentioned. *Everybody* has been a newbie once! And everybody who uses this wonderful piece of software is obliged to give something back to the community. I get a lot of mails from german users who think I am part of support and start out like: I have this problem with your software, you must help me. Most of their Qs are the typical 1st time questions (How do I create a new directory, How do I find my drive C:, etc.). I cannot write a short mail with "Buy a book, learn" and nothing else. I answer their Qs and then I give a short (8 lines) tutorial about this "Buy a book, RTFM, Try yourself and come back later" scheme. All of you who read so far have my heartfelt sympathy! wobo -- Registered Linux User 228909 Powered By Mandrake
[expert] Edditing the 8.2 KDE Aplication Menu?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I cant seem to edit the whole Application Menu using MenuDrake. Either using System or Root the editor does not show all the available applications and anything I've added is not shown. Problem I've got is that I've screwed up the What To Do? Menu, and now I cant seem to restore it. I've tried; Reloading user config Reload system menu. (the Mandrake manual says this should restore to post installation state...but so far it hasn't) Also tried the Menu Style options but again they don't solve the problem. I'm really scratching my head, this should be such a simple problem to solve but I've failed completely so far :( Is there any other KDE menu editor available (haven't been able to find one yet)? Or does anyone know how to manually edit the existing menu entries? Thanks Andy
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
It could be argued that all questions are newbie if we were all really experts.. we wouldn't be asking questions would we? James On Fri, 17 May 2002 17:29:02 -0500 "J. Craig Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randy Kramer wrote: > > > > BTW: No offense intended, but this strikes me as close to a newbie > > level question (unless the details that you haven't provided so far > > indicate otherwise). What made you post it on "expert"? Again, no > > offense, and I don't consider myself an expert, but I usually try to > > post my questions to what I think is the more appropriate list, and > > if that was newbie, "escalate" it to expert only if I don't get a > > satisfactory response on newbie. Seems to me that was the intent > > of having a newbie and an expert list, and probably helps to avoid > > traffic for experts that don't want to be bothered with newbie level > > questions. (There are very expert people who lurk on the newbie > > list and answer questions.) If I misunderstand the reason for the > > two lists, maybe one of the list veterans can provide a different > > insight? > > > > Randy, > > Your comments are most germane, and tastefully inserted as an addendum > in your reply. Unfortunately, the distinction you delineated between > newbie and expert list has, over the few years I have been here, > pretty much been loss. There are a number of reasons for this to > occur. One reason would simply be the subjective nature of > differentiating between a "newbie" problem and what constitutes an > "expert" problem. I have said it here before, and I'll say it again: I > would humbly estimate that about 60 to 70 percent of the postings on > this list are within the"newbie" range. > > If you or others have a subscription to other UNIX type lists, you > will readily see how this situation is handled. There are usually a > few "list nazis" who do not hesitate to make the newbie feel very > uncomfortable about posting a problem that would have been easily > solved by a RTFM or STFW. > > Because the Mandrake expert list is for Mandrake Linux solutions, I > believe it will always be as it is: a "kinder, gentler" sort of list. > And, as such, you might as well acclimate yourself to the reality that > this list is really just an extension to the newbie list... > > I hope I have engendered some thoughts on this issues, and hopefully > we might see some thoughtful responses... > > Dr John, > The Night Tripper > > -- > J. Craig Woods > UNIX/NT Network/System Administration > http://www.trismegistus.net > "Character is built upon the debris of despair" --Emerson > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] tar file size limit???
> kernels < 2.4.0 file sizes were limited to 2 Gigabytes. > kernels >= 2.4.0 file sizes are limited to 4 Terabytes. Ah ha so that's it. :) I'm running a newer kernel, but so far haven't needed a file to be that large. I wonder what kernel the OP was using? > Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)
Randy Kramer wrote: > > BTW: No offense intended, but this strikes me as close to a newbie level > question (unless the details that you haven't provided so far indicate > otherwise). What made you post it on "expert"? Again, no offense, and > I don't consider myself an expert, but I usually try to post my > questions to what I think is the more appropriate list, and if that was > newbie, "escalate" it to expert only if I don't get a satisfactory > response on newbie. Seems to me that was the intent of having a newbie > and an expert list, and probably helps to avoid traffic for experts that > don't want to be bothered with newbie level questions. (There are very > expert people who lurk on the newbie list and answer questions.) If I > misunderstand the reason for the two lists, maybe one of the list > veterans can provide a different insight? > Randy, Your comments are most germane, and tastefully inserted as an addendum in your reply. Unfortunately, the distinction you delineated between newbie and expert list has, over the few years I have been here, pretty much been loss. There are a number of reasons for this to occur. One reason would simply be the subjective nature of differentiating between a "newbie" problem and what constitutes an "expert" problem. I have said it here before, and I'll say it again: I would humbly estimate that about 60 to 70 percent of the postings on this list are within the "newbie" range. If you or others have a subscription to other UNIX type lists, you will readily see how this situation is handled. There are usually a few "list nazis" who do not hesitate to make the newbie feel very uncomfortable about posting a problem that would have been easily solved by a RTFM or STFW. Because the Mandrake expert list is for Mandrake Linux solutions, I believe it will always be as it is: a "kinder, gentler" sort of list. And, as such, you might as well acclimate yourself to the reality that this list is really just an extension to the newbie list... I hope I have engendered some thoughts on this issues, and hopefully we might see some thoughtful responses... Dr John, The Night Tripper -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net "Character is built upon the debris of despair" --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Xresources and KDE
On Fri, 17 May 2002 09:49:17 -0700 Eric Nodwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why not use $HOME/.Xresources? > I need to set some system-wide resources. For example, some users log > in from a Windows machine using Xwin32, but the default font for emacs > is not available in Xwin32, so emacs won't start. The solution is to > just set the font to something simple like "emacs*font: 6x13". Of > course users could set their own .Xresources or start emacs with the > -font flag, but lots of users don't read instructions. On the other > hand, I don't want to just dump a .Xresources file into every home > directory, because some users *do* use this file for their own > purposes and they won't be happy if I overwrite their > carefully-crafted preferences. > > Eric Eric, Have you looked into tightvnc instead of Xwin32. The windows client is just as easy to use as the Xwin32 one and since it actually gets all of it's "info" from Linux you don't have this problem. The other advantage is that tightvnc uses less bandwidth and less CPU/Memory resources than Xwin32. We switched here and haven't looked back. It's available at www.tightvnc.com and ... it's free as in beer. The other nice point is it allows for shared and private "desktops" much nicer than Xwin32. I would recommend using a lighter weight wm than KDE or Gnome for max performance, but like I said we've been happy with it. James > > > > > JG > > > > Eric Nodwell wrote: > > >Is there any way to get KDE to load X settings from > > >/etc/X11/Xresources? > > > > > >The behaviour of KDE with respect to X resources seems to depend on > > >the setting of > > > > > > Control Centre > > >+-> LookNFeel > > > +-> Colors > > >+-> Apply colors to non-KDE applications > > > > > >If this is set, then KDE sets its own X resources, completely > > >unrelated to /etc/X11/Xresources. If this is not set, then KDE > > >clears all X resources. What I would like is to get KDE just to > > >leave the X resources alone, or to get them from > > >/etc/X11/Xresources. Is this possible? > > > > > >By the way, Gnome is peculiar: sometimes it clears the X resources, > > >and sometimes it leaves them alone. I haven't figured out yet what > > >the controlling variable is. Does anybody know? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Eric > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > -- > > Eric Nodwell > Ph.D. candidate > Department of Physics > University of British Columbia > > tel: 604-822-5425 > fax: 604-822-4750 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] postfix and aliases
On Fri, 17 May 2002 15:51:14 -0400
David Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm having a problem with postfix and /etc/aliases. I want mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> When I add "admin: user" to /etc/aliases and then run newaliases, I
> see mail.mydomain.com attempt to forward the message to itself - which
> is rejected as "(mail for mail.mydomain.com loops back to myself)".
>
> I'm using Mandrake 8.2 with postfix-20010228.
>
> Anybody know what's needed?
>
> Thanks.
If admin has a home directory put in it a .forward file that says root
or [EMAIL PROTECTED] either way. I have all of roots e-mail forwarded
to user james this way. >
> David
>
> **
>
> Below are traces of successful and unsuccessful delivery attempts.
>
> ** Here's a successfully sent message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (without the /etc/aliases entry) ...
>
> May 17 15:25:26 mail postfix/smtpd[6647]: connect from
> devel.mydomain.com[192.168.1.10]
> May 17 15:25:26 mail postfix/smtpd[6647]: 0A20C5034B:
> client=devel.mydomain.com[192.168.1.10]
> May 17 15:25:26 mail postfix/cleanup[6648]: 0A20C5034B:
> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> May 17 15:25:26 mail postfix/smtpd[6647]: disconnect from
> devel.mydomain.com[192.168.1.10]
>
> May 17 15:25:26 mail postfix/qmgr[6643]: 0A20C5034B:
> from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=622, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> May 17 15:25:26 mail postfix/local[6696]: table has changed -- exiting
> May 17 15:25:26 mail postfix/local[6699]: 0A20C5034B:
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
> ("|/usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN")
>
>
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> message ...
>
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> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (forwarded
> as 932D65034C)
> May 17 15:28:17 mail postfix/qmgr[6643]: 932D65034C:
> from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=762, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>
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> mail.mydomain.com
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> mail.mydomain.com[192.168.1.1] replied to HELO/EHLO with my own
> hostname mail.mydomain.com
> May 17 15:28:18 mail postfix/smtp[6730]: 932D65034C:
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mail.mydomain.com[192.168.1.1],
> delay=1, status=bounced (mail for mail.mydomain.com loops back to
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> after EHLO from mail.mydomain.com[192.168.1.1]
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> size=2457, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> May 17 15:28:18 mail postfix/local[6729]: 46AC25034B:
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
> ("|/usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN")
>
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>
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Re: [expert] smb shares locking up on fresh install
On 17 May 2002 13:32:25 -0500 Brad Felmey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 01:28, J. Grant wrote: > > Just installed mdk8.2 and mounted the same share that worked fine > > with 8.1. Yesterday it died, locked up, could not ls in the dir, and > > could not unmount even as root, forced a reboot, shut down but then > > could not complete so had to power off. I assumed this was a one > > off, but it did it again today. > > > > I am getting FS corruption on my / so need to get this fixed quick! > > > > Anyone else experienced this problem? > > > > i am mounting with 'mount np850' where that is defined in fstab as > > //jg/jg /home/jg/np850 smbfs user,noauto,rw 0 0 > > Yeah, the stock 8.2 kernel is broken to death in this regard. If you > look in your /var/log/messages, you'll see the kernel oopsing. > Mandrake has *still* not released an "official" 8.2 updated kernel to > fix this, although the very next cooker kernel fixed it 100%. > > Go look for 2.4.18-7mdk. If you don't have it or can't find it, let me > know and I'll make it available to you. > -- > Brad Felmey Brad, Someone mentioned that the cooker is compiled with glibc3 now. Will this affect an otherwise stock box. I'm having all kinds of fun with the stock kernel myself. James > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3 start wizard
On Fri, 17 May 2002 12:02:17 -0500 nDiScReEt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you really? ;) > > > > I think a newbie just told me to RTFM! Ah! I'll never be the same. > > > > daRcmaTTeR *ponders the meaning of life* When your pondering remember this dialog... paraphrased from a Sci-Fi book I once read. Man --- "The question I would like to ask God is, Why is man born only to suffer and die?" Oldest being in the universe "Why Not!?" > > ROFLMAO > > -- > - > --- Altoine B > Maximum Time Unlimited > Chicago Based and Operated > - > --- Be regular and orderly in your life, so that you may be violent > and original in your work. > -- Flaubert > --- > 2.4.18-6mdk > Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586 > - > --- > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] K7S6A/SiS745+2.4.18+HIGHMEM freeze(news)
Don't know enough on this to say anything with authority, but I am curious about one thing. Near as I can tell the stock kernel with 8.1 came out before the change in the LVM and the ensuing "wars" the version in 8.2 has the new one. Could this be the cause of the trouble? I'm grabbing at straws I know but it is a possibility, however slight you may feel, that the problem isn't Mandrake but rather the kernel itself. Has anyone tried an un-Mandraked kernel to see if the same conditions appear? James On Fri, 17 May 2002 11:05:50 +0200 Nicolas ROBAUX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Same thing for me : I insert noapic in GRUB, but my gateway still > hangs randomly. > I'll try to recompile the 8.2 kernel, and/or to downgrade to the 8.1 > kernel (hope that the 8.1 kernel will run fine with the 8.2 > distribution). > > N. > > > Le Vendredi 17 Mai 2002 04:14, vous avez écrit : > > hi: > >"noapic" didn't work for me. the server will hang under high > >loading after 4 or 5 hours. i use "ctcs" testing program to test. > >mdk 8.1 or red-hat 7.2 didn't have this problem. sorry i didn't > >have a chance to test it with red-hat 7.3, bc4 the server is one > >line with mdk 8.1 now... > > > > > > > > > > > I should report that I got a message from Tom Wanka. > > > The "noapic" boot option worked for him (he had a serverworks > > > chipset), so this will probably also work for you. > > > We do not use this chipset, so it is not clear if > > > it will work in our case. > > > > > > There could also be a bug in the kernel. I found this > > > interesting line in Alan Cox's description of changes in > > > the 2.4.19 kernel: > > > o Fix highmem truncation on DMA mapping bug (Dave > > > Miller) > > > > > > I do not know if this bug was introduced after 2.4.18, > > > or if it is in 2.4.18. > > > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 08:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> hi: > > >> i have same problem. 2.4.18 with serverworks and himem, the > > >>system hang. i report this several times. but no support or > > >>reply yet. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Have you seen this! > > >> > [RHBA-2002:085-11] Kernel panic on SMP systems with ext3 file > > >> > systems is now fixed. > > >> > I am not sure if this problem is solved in the Mandrake kernel. > > >> > > > >> > -- Bjarne > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 21:58, Bjarne Thomsen wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Actually it is on purpose that I did not mention > > >> >> VIA and the PCI latency problem in the subject line. > > >> >> I believe that we have two different problems (unfortunately). > > >> >> The K7S6A was a replacement for an Asus A7V266E with > > >> >> a VIA KT266A chipset. The reson was that we had similar > > >> >> lock-ups, often accompanied by massive disk corruptions > > >> >> which we have not seen with the K7S6A. But most importantly, > > >> >> the first thing we did when we had the A7V266 crashes was > > >> >> to try the enterprise kernel from LM8.1. > > >> >> And it crashed just as easily as the LM8.2 kernel. > > >> >> That is why I think that we have two problems. > > >> >> These two PCs belong to my colleagues who were very > > >> >> frustrated. Now they have found a solution by using the > > >> >> enterprise kernel from LM8.1 running in LM8.2 they > > >> >> are not terribly interseste in pursuing this problem > > >> >> any further. > > >> >> > > >> >> I think that the problem should really be sorted out. > > >> >> Are there one or two problems (as I think there are)? > > >> >> By making a google search I found that Thomas Wanka > > >> >> had a "highmem smp freeze" problem with a Serverworks > > >> >> chipset. > > >> >> > > >> >> Marcelo Tosatti answers this question: > > >> >> The ServerWorks chipsets are problematic. Use the "noapic" > > >> >> boot option. > > >> >> > > >> >> Is this really a third problem. Was it solved by the > > >> >> "noapic" option? Or do we really have a problem > > >> >> with highmem and 2.4.18?? > > >> >> > > >> >> -- Bjarne > > >> >> > > >> >> On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 19:36, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > Le Mercredi 15 Mai 2002 19:10, vous avez å¶?it : > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I need some help (again): > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > We have encountered a total freeze while > > >> >> > > copying files from an SGI/IRIX system > > >> >> > > (using NFS) onto a local disk on a PC > > >> >> > > with an Elitegroup K7S6A/SiS745 MoBo, > > >> >> > > and more than 1Gb RAM, running the LM 8.2 > > >> >> > > enterprise kernel 2.4.18-6mdkenterprise. > > >> >> > > This was repeated many times on two > > >> >> > > different PCs having identical > > >> >> > > motherboards (K7S6A/SiS745). > > >> >> > > Then the same experiment was done with > > >> >> > > the standard LM8.2 2.4.18-6mdk kernel. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Exactly same thing with a MSI 6330 Lite 3 (VIA KT133A > > >> >> > Chipset) / Duron 900, standard kernel of the 8.2, on a > > >> >> > linux
Re: [expert] root partition and ext3
On Friday 17 May 2002 10:15 pm, you wrote: > After successful transfer of all partitions to ext3, using tune2fs -j > /dev/hda?, I thought everything was OK, also for the root > partition. But its NOT! While having ext2 compiled into the kernel and > ext3 as a module, as with kernel-2.4.18.16, the root partition is > mounted as ext2, not ext3. This has been verified when rebooting after > problems with shutdown (especially with upgrading glibc etc) when the > root partition is uncleanly unmounted. How to resolve this, the fstab > entry is useless since it's on the not yet mounted / partition...? I > assume mounting of the root partition is taken care of by the kernel.. The filesystem the root partion uses _must_ be compiled in to the kernel itslef, not as a module. It will not work in the way you want if e3fs is a module. And you cant 'remount' as ext3 after boot as the device cant be unmounted. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] postfix and aliases
David Relson grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having a problem with postfix and /etc/aliases. I want mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When I add "admin: user" to /etc/aliases and then run newaliases, I see > mail.mydomain.com attempt to forward the message to itself - which is > rejected as "(mail for mail.mydomain.com loops back to myself)". Does "user" have a .forward or .procmailrc file which could be potentially forwarding mail received for it to "admin?" --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] root partition and ext3
Hi, After successful transfer of all partitions to ext3, using tune2fs -j /dev/hda?, I thought everything was OK, also for the root partition. But its NOT! While having ext2 compiled into the kernel and ext3 as a module, as with kernel-2.4.18.16, the root partition is mounted as ext2, not ext3. This has been verified when rebooting after problems with shutdown (especially with upgrading glibc etc) when the root partition is uncleanly unmounted. How to resolve this, the fstab entry is useless since it's on the not yet mounted / partition...? I assume mounting of the root partition is taken care of by the kernel.. mount /dev/hda1 on / type ext3,ext2 (rw) ... cat /etc//fstab: /dev/hda1 / ext3,ext2 defaults 0 1 ... Thanks, Svante Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Finding Files in MDK 8.2
On Fri, 17 May 2002 09:00:21 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 17 May 2002, nDiScReEt wrote: > > > vmware itself. In every previous linux distro that I have used I > > would have used "locate wmware-linux-tools". However, for some > > reason I cannot fathom, that wonderful tool (i.e. locate) has been > > left out and "find" is hardly a reasonable substitute. I just > > finished reading 3 pages of docs on "find" and it seems a > > little...complex. > > > >2 Questions: > > >1) Is there a reasonable substitute for "locate" other than > > >"find"? 2) Does anyone know where the install.sh script for > > >vmware-linux-tools gets burried on 8.2? > > > > > > > There are other programs like whereis, slocate(oops! that is > > actually locate), and find should be did like so: > > > > find /dir -name 'my.slf' -print > > > In this case you can also try: > rpm -ql VMware|grep vmware-linux-tools > > This will list the contents of the VMWare package and search for the > file requested. > > > Sounds like you didn't install the following rpm slocate-2.6-2mdk. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] postfix and aliases
Hi,
I'm having a problem with postfix and /etc/aliases. I want mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I add "admin: user" to /etc/aliases and then run newaliases, I see
mail.mydomain.com attempt to forward the message to itself - which is
rejected as "(mail for mail.mydomain.com loops back to myself)".
I'm using Mandrake 8.2 with postfix-20010228.
Anybody know what's needed?
Thanks.
David
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Re: [expert] Tasks startup time with ps
Serge Pineault wrote: > It is not just some jobs, it is ALL of the jobs which are > listed with a "ps -auxw" command and which were started > at boot time. I would not worry if it were just a few > jobs started by a service or whatever but it is the ENTIRE > lot. This makes "ps" useless to track any suspicious > tasks. [I have been hacked once and try to check things > more regularly since...}. > > Thanks for your time, You're welcome, and I was going to say I probably can't help. But, I just ran ps -auxw, and I may see the problem. The display is somewhat misleading, but it does not show a start time for a task, it shows a start date, and something like the total amount of time a task has run. (Aside, I haven't gone to the man page to pin down more precisely what that time represents, and I think it is reset under some circumstance, but I don't know that either. (At least, that's what my display shows.) Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] smb shares locking up on fresh install
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 01:28, J. Grant wrote: > Just installed mdk8.2 and mounted the same share that worked fine with > 8.1. Yesterday it died, locked up, could not ls in the dir, and could > not unmount even as root, forced a reboot, shut down but then could not > complete so had to power off. I assumed this was a one off, but it did > it again today. > > I am getting FS corruption on my / so need to get this fixed quick! > > Anyone else experienced this problem? > > i am mounting with 'mount np850' where that is defined in fstab as > //jg/jg /home/jg/np850 smbfs user,noauto,rw 0 0 Yeah, the stock 8.2 kernel is broken to death in this regard. If you look in your /var/log/messages, you'll see the kernel oopsing. Mandrake has *still* not released an "official" 8.2 updated kernel to fix this, although the very next cooker kernel fixed it 100%. Go look for 2.4.18-7mdk. If you don't have it or can't find it, let me know and I'll make it available to you. -- Brad Felmey Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a few puzzling small questions
Robin wrote: > Here are a few small puzzling things that my 8.2 box has been keeping me > wondering. > > I edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config to disable root login and only allow > selected user accounts to login with ssh. Everything works fine until I > come back to it the next day. The config file is reversed to the one > before I changed it, and I can ssh login with root again. > > One of my workstation for testing has 2 nic installed. I always use > ifconfig eth0 down to disable one of them. The problem is that it seems > some time after midnight, the downed nic would come back up by itself. > > I am really clueless on even where to start looking. > > One last question, anyone know how to keep a window without frame on top > in Fluxbox? I am trying to keep Gkrellm on top of other windows. > > Big thanks to any suggestion, it's been keeping me up too long. This truly has to be classified as "any suggestion", since you "really" are "clueless" ;-) (What I'm trying to say is, I don't have a clue either, just a suspicion.) Based on what I've gleaned from the mail lists, anytime something changes without any other explanation, I'd at least suspect msec -- are you running it? If so, do some reading. I have a (very) few notes on it here: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxMsec If you find other good stuff, feel free to edit the page and add to it. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tasks startup time with ps
Hi Randy: It is not just some jobs, it is ALL of the jobs which are listed with a "ps -auxw" command and which were started at boot time. I would not worry if it were just a few jobs started by a service or whatever but it is the ENTIRE lot. This makes "ps" useless to track any suspicious tasks. [I have been hacked once and try to check things more regularly since...}. Thanks for your time, Serge Pineault Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] a few puzzling small questions
Here are a few small puzzling things that my 8.2 box has been keeping me wondering. I edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config to disable root login and only allow selected user accounts to login with ssh. Everything works fine until I come back to it the next day. The config file is reversed to the one before I changed it, and I can ssh login with root again. One of my workstation for testing has 2 nic installed. I always use ifconfig eth0 down to disable one of them. The problem is that it seems some time after midnight, the downed nic would come back up by itself. I am really clueless on even where to start looking. One last question, anyone know how to keep a window without frame on top in Fluxbox? I am trying to keep Gkrellm on top of other windows. Big thanks to any suggestion, it's been keeping me up too long. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] smb shares locking up on fresh install
On Friday 17 May 2002 12:28 am, J. Grant wrote: > Just installed mdk8.2 and mounted the same share that worked fine with > 8.1. Yesterday it died, locked up, could not ls in the dir, and could > not unmount even as root, forced a reboot, shut down but then could not > complete so had to power off. I assumed this was a one off, but it did > it again today. > > I am getting FS corruption on my / so need to get this fixed quick! > > Anyone else experienced this problem? > > i am mounting with 'mount np850' where that is defined in fstab as > //jg/jg /home/jg/np850 smbfs user,noauto,rw 0 0 > > > JG Yes, I've had SAMBA lock and not be able to unmount also. Worse, when I do a "Power Off" reboot I have to jump through hoops with the fsck stuff, usually having to do it 2 or 3 times to get the system restored. -- Ken Thompson, North West Antique Autos Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Office Phone: 208-642-0785 Cell Phone: 208-284-5712 Sales and brokering of antique autos and parts. Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3 start wizard
> Do you really? ;) > > I think a newbie just told me to RTFM! Ah! I'll never be the same. > > daRcmaTTeR *ponders the meaning of life* ROFLMAO -- Altoine B Maximum Time Unlimited Chicago Based and Operated Be regular and orderly in your life, so that you may be violent and original in your work. -- Flaubert --- 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Xresources and KDE
> Why not use $HOME/.Xresources? I need to set some system-wide resources. For example, some users log in from a Windows machine using Xwin32, but the default font for emacs is not available in Xwin32, so emacs won't start. The solution is to just set the font to something simple like "emacs*font: 6x13". Of course users could set their own .Xresources or start emacs with the -font flag, but lots of users don't read instructions. On the other hand, I don't want to just dump a .Xresources file into every home directory, because some users *do* use this file for their own purposes and they won't be happy if I overwrite their carefully-crafted preferences. Eric > > JG > > Eric Nodwell wrote: > >Is there any way to get KDE to load X settings from > >/etc/X11/Xresources? > > > >The behaviour of KDE with respect to X resources seems to depend on > >the setting of > > > > Control Centre > >+-> LookNFeel > > +-> Colors > >+-> Apply colors to non-KDE applications > > > >If this is set, then KDE sets its own X resources, completely > >unrelated to /etc/X11/Xresources. If this is not set, then KDE clears > >all X resources. What I would like is to get KDE just to leave the X > >resources alone, or to get them from /etc/X11/Xresources. Is this > >possible? > > > >By the way, Gnome is peculiar: sometimes it clears the X resources, > >and sometimes it leaves them alone. I haven't figured out yet what > >the controlling variable is. Does anybody know? > > > >Thanks, > >Eric > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Eric Nodwell Ph.D. candidate Department of Physics University of British Columbia tel: 604-822-5425 fax: 604-822-4750 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] users and finger broken
> How do your Xterminals connect to the server? XDMCP? Yup. > What flavor of XDM do you run? XDM? GDM? KDM? kdm > These may have resources or optionsto enable UTMP logging when > the users login. I searched for "kdm utmp" in google, and came up with this: http://docs.kde.org/2.2.2/kdenetwork/ktalkd/questions-and-answers.html I followed Procedure 3.1, which bascially involves creating an /etc/X11/xdm/Xstartup and /etc/X11/xdm/Xreset, both of which call sessreg. Then modified /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config and /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc to use these files. It *seems* to work, but I can't tell for sure yet, because I can't really ask everyone to log out and log in again. In a day or two it should be clear if it works. Thanks, Eric > > If telnet or some other remote login protocol is used, then > when Login is run it should make entries in UTMP for them. > > As far as I know only Login, or XDM like programs should be recording > these entries. > > -Kyle > > Eric Nodwell wrote: > > >>I don't know if it makes a difference, but I've always used "w" and > >>"who" to get this list (actually never heard of users ...). Maybe they > >>work better for you ... > >> > > > >"w" and "who" report exactly the same users as "users" and "finger", > >which is typically about 50% of the users actually logged in, plus > >maybe one or two users who aren't actually logged in. > > > > > > > >>udo > >> > >>Am Don, 2002-05-16 um 19.15 schrieb Eric Nodwell: > >> > >>>users and finger seem to be broken. They certainly don't report all > >>>the users who are logged in. We have a Mandrake 8.2 server with > >>>several X-terminals. > >>> > >>>This doesn't seem to be a Mandrake-specific problem: they are also > >>>broken on our server running Debian Linux. From discussion on Debian > >>>mailing lists, it seems that this comes about because some programs > >>>don't write to /var/run/utmp correctly. Is there any solution to this > >>>problem? Any alternative way to get a list of users logged on, and > >>>info such as how long they've been logged on? > >>> > >>>thanks, > >>>Eric > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >>>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > >> > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Eric Nodwell Ph.D. candidate Department of Physics University of British Columbia tel: 604-822-5425 fax: 604-822-4750 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tasks startup time with ps
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Running LM 7.2, I noticed yesterday, while running ps > to see what was the status of the system, that the > jobs were listed with one startup time (the actual > correct time at which I booted the machine) at some > point and, running ps again a few hours later, the very > same jobs were listed with a startup time some 2 hours > later AND I HAD NOT SHUTDOWNED AND REBOOTED THE MACHINE. What were the names of some of the jobs? Some jobs are run in a special mode (IIUC, daemon mode?). They are often network / server type jobs. A supervisor task like inetd or xinetd watches the appropriate ports of your machine and, for example, starts a telnet daemon (or process) when it sees traffic on the appropriate port (which I can't recall immediately). I suspect other processes might be programmed to work in a similar fashion. I assume, but don't know that this would be one cause of the behavior you describe. Another could be, for example, if a job is started by cron, or if you are looking at a subprocess of another process -- the main process might run continuously but only occasionally invoke the sub-process. With the names of the jobs in question, someone might be able to be more specific. Randy Kramer BTW: No offense intended, but this strikes me as close to a newbie level question (unless the details that you haven't provided so far indicate otherwise). What made you post it on "expert"? Again, no offense, and I don't consider myself an expert, but I usually try to post my questions to what I think is the more appropriate list, and if that was newbie, "escalate" it to expert only if I don't get a satisfactory response on newbie. Seems to me that was the intent of having a newbie and an expert list, and probably helps to avoid traffic for experts that don't want to be bothered with newbie level questions. (There are very expert people who lurk on the newbie list and answer questions.) If I misunderstand the reason for the two lists, maybe one of the list veterans can provide a different insight? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Tasks startup time with ps
Hi all: Running LM 7.2, I noticed yesterday, while running ps to see what was the status of the system, that the jobs were listed with one startup time (the actual correct time at which I booted the machine) at some point and, running ps again a few hours later, the very same jobs were listed with a startup time some 2 hours later AND I HAD NOT SHUTDOWNED AND REBOOTED THE MACHINE. Anybody had this happen before? Anything to do with security level? This is annoying as this means I have no way of knowing exactly when a given job started. Thanks for any help or hints. Serge Pineault Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3 start wizard
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 14:37 -0400, daRcmaTTeR wrote:
>
> actually, I was just watching and commenting on the thread. it wasn't
> something I was overly concerned with. I would've eventually gotten round
> to checking that file since I knew where the problem was coming from. my
> contrib to the thread was just a passing comment.
>
> and I do have kids of my own and know exactly what you're talking about.
> :) the love it when they're able to whip something out on you that they've
> had said to them. in this case he was indeed right, AND it was rather
> humerous the way he said it.
I just love situations like that!
wobo
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Re: [expert] KDE3 start wizard
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:34 -0400, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > > Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 19:38, vous avez écrit : > > > > > > I think you should better read the newbie list, and the manuals first. > > > > > > N. > > > > > > > Do you really? ;) > > > > I think a newbie just told me to RTFM! Ah! I'll never be the same. > > > > daRcmaTTeR *ponders the meaning of life* > > LOL! > > You don't have kids of your own? If so you should know that kids are REAL > fast in picking up expressions like RTFM! And they are craving for the > first opportunity to throw them back at you! > > He's not wrong in this case, though > > wobo actually, I was just watching and commenting on the thread. it wasn't something I was overly concerned with. I would've eventually gotten round to checking that file since I knew where the problem was coming from. my contrib to the thread was just a passing comment. and I do have kids of my own and know exactly what you're talking about. :) the love it when they're able to whip something out on you that they've had said to them. in this case he was indeed right, AND it was rather humerous the way he said it. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User #186492 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3 start wizard
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:34 -0400, daRcmaTTeR wrote:
> > Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 19:38, vous avez écrit :
> >
> > I think you should better read the newbie list, and the manuals first.
> >
> > N.
> >
>
> Do you really? ;)
>
> I think a newbie just told me to RTFM! Ah! I'll never be the same.
>
> daRcmaTTeR *ponders the meaning of life*
LOL!
You don't have kids of your own? If so you should know that kids are REAL
fast in picking up expressions like RTFM! And they are craving for the
first opportunity to throw them back at you!
He's not wrong in this case, though
wobo
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Re: [expert] Finding Files in MDK 8.2
Both /usr/bin/locate and /usr/bin/slocate are part of the slocate package. The current version is slocate-2.6-2mdk. After installing it, you might want to run slocate. Knowing that this happens as a daily cronjob, I usually run /etc/cron.daily/slocate.cron to have slocate run with the normal options. At 05:32 AM 5/17/02, you wrote: > >Hello List > > > >I have just installed MDK 8.2 in VMware and cannot find where >wmware-linux-tools are located (after doing the preliminary install from >vmware itself. In every previous linux distro that I have used I would have >used "locate wmware-linux-tools". However, for some reason I cannot fathom, >that wonderful tool (i.e. locate) has been left out and "find" is hardly a >reasonable substitute. I just finished reading 3 pages of docs on "find" and >it seems a little...complex. > > > >2 Questions: > >1) Is there a reasonable substitute for "locate" other than "find"? > >2) Does anyone know where the install.sh script for vmware-linux-tools gets >burried on 8.2? > > > >TT > > > >There are other programs like whereis, slocate(oops! that is actually >locate), and find should be did like so: > >find /dir -name 'my.slf' -print > >substitute /dir for the directory you are trying to look in and it will >recursively read every sub folder in that directory tree. Of course replace >my.slf with the search that you are seeking (ie *.bin, mandrake-re*, and >README) Don't forget the single " ' " quotes. Always leave -print as is if >you want it to print it's query information to the screen. >-- > >Altoine B >Maximum Time Unlimited >Chicago Based and Operated > >"It's in process": > So wrapped up in red tape that the situation is almost hopeless. >--- >2.4.18-6mdk >Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586 > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] pdfopt does not workHello.
With the updated ghostscript-6.53-13.1mdk.i586.rpm (Mandrake 8.2), pdfopt does not work: the output is Error: /invalidfileaccess in --file-- Operand stack: --nostringval-- --nostringval-- (calco.pdf) (w) Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:1003/1476(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:98/200(L)-- Current allocation mode is local Current file position is 30182 GNU Ghostscript 6.53: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 With the original ghostscript in Mandrake 8.2, all was OK. Bye -- Marco Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Finding Files in MDK 8.2
On Fri, 17 May 2002, nDiScReEt wrote: > vmware itself. In every previous linux distro that I have used I would have > used "locate wmware-linux-tools". However, for some reason I cannot fathom, > that wonderful tool (i.e. locate) has been left out and "find" is hardly a > reasonable substitute. I just finished reading 3 pages of docs on "find" and > it seems a little...complex. > > > >2 Questions: > >1) Is there a reasonable substitute for "locate" other than "find"? > >2) Does anyone know where the install.sh script for vmware-linux-tools gets > burried on 8.2? > > > > There are other programs like whereis, slocate(oops! that is actually > locate), and find should be did like so: > > find /dir -name 'my.slf' -print In this case you can also try: rpm -ql VMware|grep vmware-linux-tools This will list the contents of the VMWare package and search for the file requested. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3 start wizard
> Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 19:38, vous avez écrit : > > Anybody know how to shut off the annoying startup wizard in KDE3??? > > Oh, and make it keep your settings, too.. > > It's explained everywhere on Mandrake's sites : on linux-mandrake.com, on > mandrakeforum.com... > For example : > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdk-kde3.0.php3 > > I think you should better read the newbie list, and the manuals first. > > N. > Do you really? ;) I think a newbie just told me to RTFM! Ah! I'll never be the same. daRcmaTTeR *ponders the meaning of life* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Finding Files in MDK 8.2
>Hello List > >I have just installed MDK 8.2 in VMware and cannot find where wmware-linux-tools are located (after doing the preliminary install from vmware itself. In every previous linux distro that I have used I would have used "locate wmware-linux-tools". However, for some reason I cannot fathom, that wonderful tool (i.e. locate) has been left out and "find" is hardly a reasonable substitute. I just finished reading 3 pages of docs on "find" and it seems a little...complex. > >2 Questions: >1) Is there a reasonable substitute for "locate" other than "find"? >2) Does anyone know where the install.sh script for vmware-linux-tools gets burried on 8.2? > >TT > There are other programs like whereis, slocate(oops! that is actually locate), and find should be did like so: find /dir -name 'my.slf' -print substitute /dir for the directory you are trying to look in and it will recursively read every sub folder in that directory tree. Of course replace my.slf with the search that you are seeking (ie *.bin, mandrake-re*, and README) Don't forget the single " ' " quotes. Always leave -print as is if you want it to print it's query information to the screen. -- Altoine B Maximum Time Unlimited Chicago Based and Operated "It's in process": So wrapped up in red tape that the situation is almost hopeless. --- 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] "Commercial Apps CD1" <- is this the correct name?
Le Vendredi 17 Mai 2002 06:51, vous avez écrit : > A commerical application is not necessaryly proprietry, sorry if I seem > like someone "flogging a dead horse" but i dont think its much of a > point either way for mandrake, but not using the correct description > leads to people miss understanding. (those of us who do read the I don't like this thread and the spirit within... Sorry, but I have NEVER misunderstood, and I think that nobody enough honest have never had. The first 2 CDs contains free softwares (free in the mean of the GNU terms, not free for "no money"), the commercial CDs contain proprietary applications. End of thread. The only strange thing is that I remember that Netscape was included (or is it my mistake ?) in the first CDs, although Netscape is proprietary (not free in the GNU spirit) at all. N. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] smb shares locking up on fresh install
I've tracked this down to some filenames with japaenese in them now, was not expecting it to take the whole system down because i did not specify the charset though JG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] K7S6A/SiS745+2.4.18+HIGHMEM freeze(news)
Same thing for me : I insert noapic in GRUB, but my gateway still hangs randomly. I'll try to recompile the 8.2 kernel, and/or to downgrade to the 8.1 kernel (hope that the 8.1 kernel will run fine with the 8.2 distribution). N. Le Vendredi 17 Mai 2002 04:14, vous avez écrit : > hi: >"noapic" didn't work for me. the server will hang under high loading >after 4 or 5 hours. i use "ctcs" testing program to test. mdk 8.1 >or red-hat 7.2 didn't have this problem. sorry i didn't have a chance >to test it with red-hat 7.3, bc4 the server is one line with mdk 8.1 >now... > > > > > > I should report that I got a message from Tom Wanka. > > The "noapic" boot option worked for him (he had a serverworks > > chipset), so this will probably also work for you. > > We do not use this chipset, so it is not clear if > > it will work in our case. > > > > There could also be a bug in the kernel. I found this > > interesting line in Alan Cox's description of changes in > > the 2.4.19 kernel: > > o Fix highmem truncation on DMA mapping bug (Dave Miller) > > > > I do not know if this bug was introduced after 2.4.18, > > or if it is in 2.4.18. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 08:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> hi: > >> i have same problem. 2.4.18 with serverworks and himem, the > >>system hang. i report this several times. but no support or reply > >>yet. > >> > >> > >> > >> > Have you seen this! > >> > [RHBA-2002:085-11] Kernel panic on SMP systems with ext3 file > >> > systems is now fixed. > >> > I am not sure if this problem is solved in the Mandrake kernel. > >> > > >> > -- Bjarne > >> > > >> > On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 21:58, Bjarne Thomsen wrote: > >> > > >> >> Actually it is on purpose that I did not mention > >> >> VIA and the PCI latency problem in the subject line. > >> >> I believe that we have two different problems (unfortunately). The > >> >> K7S6A was a replacement for an Asus A7V266E with > >> >> a VIA KT266A chipset. The reson was that we had similar > >> >> lock-ups, often accompanied by massive disk corruptions > >> >> which we have not seen with the K7S6A. But most importantly, > >> >> the first thing we did when we had the A7V266 crashes was > >> >> to try the enterprise kernel from LM8.1. > >> >> And it crashed just as easily as the LM8.2 kernel. > >> >> That is why I think that we have two problems. > >> >> These two PCs belong to my colleagues who were very > >> >> frustrated. Now they have found a solution by using the > >> >> enterprise kernel from LM8.1 running in LM8.2 they > >> >> are not terribly interseste in pursuing this problem > >> >> any further. > >> >> > >> >> I think that the problem should really be sorted out. > >> >> Are there one or two problems (as I think there are)? > >> >> By making a google search I found that Thomas Wanka > >> >> had a "highmem smp freeze" problem with a Serverworks > >> >> chipset. > >> >> > >> >> Marcelo Tosatti answers this question: > >> >> The ServerWorks chipsets are problematic. Use the "noapic" > >> >> boot option. > >> >> > >> >> Is this really a third problem. Was it solved by the > >> >> "noapic" option? Or do we really have a problem > >> >> with highmem and 2.4.18?? > >> >> > >> >> -- Bjarne > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 19:36, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Le Mercredi 15 Mai 2002 19:10, vous avez å¶?it : > >> >> > > >> >> > > I need some help (again): > >> >> > > > >> >> > > We have encountered a total freeze while > >> >> > > copying files from an SGI/IRIX system > >> >> > > (using NFS) onto a local disk on a PC > >> >> > > with an Elitegroup K7S6A/SiS745 MoBo, > >> >> > > and more than 1Gb RAM, running the LM 8.2 > >> >> > > enterprise kernel 2.4.18-6mdkenterprise. > >> >> > > This was repeated many times on two > >> >> > > different PCs having identical > >> >> > > motherboards (K7S6A/SiS745). > >> >> > > Then the same experiment was done with > >> >> > > the standard LM8.2 2.4.18-6mdk kernel. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Exactly same thing with a MSI 6330 Lite 3 (VIA KT133A Chipset) / > >> >> > Duron 900, standard kernel of the 8.2, on a linux box running as > >> >> > a gateway (no X serveur running, "pure" console) from > >> >> > cable-modem (Motorola Docsis Surfboard) to wireless personnal > >> >> > network > >> >> > (gatewaydev is Elsa PCI-11). Freezes randomly 2 or 3 times per > >> >> > day, but seems to happen more often on network activity > >> >> > > >> >> > N. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >> >> > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >> >> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.co
Re: [expert] KDE3 start wizard
Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 19:38, vous avez écrit : > Anybody know how to shut off the annoying startup wizard in KDE3??? > Oh, and make it keep your settings, too.. It's explained everywhere on Mandrake's sites : on linux-mandrake.com, on mandrakeforum.com... For example : http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdk-kde3.0.php3 I think you should better read the newbie list, and the manuals first. N. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
