Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[W. Kasberg]

On Monday 03 February 2003 19:46, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote:
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> On Monday 03 February 2003 01:45 pm, et wrote:
> > ok, here is the "kick in the crotch" I could not save it in SO
> > powerpoint, so i created a new presentation, copy and pasted all the
> > slides to the new presentation, and it saved with no problem.
>
> Hell's bells.  Hmpf.  Being an emergency, I tried other options and have
> decided to go with pdf.  Staroffice, I found, cannot create (in this case
> at least) a valid/useable pdf file.  By printing instead to a postscript
> file (SO does BEAUTIFUL postscript) and then using ps2pdfwr I get an
> equally gorgeous pdf file.  My committee will have to make do with a pdf
> file as I have already generated it and tested it.
>
> Thanks for the attempts (and possible answer).  I will have to try the
> copy-paste to a new file.  Must be some wierd bit somewhere in the
> presentation.
>
> praedor
>
Did you have a look on OpenOffice.org mailinglists? Maybe they know the 
problem or have solution.

W. Kasberg


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[expert] Netcraft

[Jay]

Does anyone know how to prevent Netcraft from detecting all kinds of
information about your system. For example, instead detecting
Apache-Advanced Extranet server, it would only list Apache.

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Re: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[Michael Adams]

On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:15, Will Styles wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:43 pm, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > J.P. Pasnak wrote:



> > >  If you want to change it on a per-user basis,
> > > create an '.Xdefaults'
> > > file in your home directory and add the following
> > > lines:
> > >
> > >  ---
> > >  Xcursor.size: 16
> > >  Xcursor.theme: whiteglass
> > >  ---
> >
> > JP,
> >
> > You're my hero! thanks man...now ALL is right with
> > the world again. :)
>
> it doesn't work for me :(
> i put those lines at the end of my already-existing
> ~/.Xdefaults, logged out and logged back into kde. but
> i don't get anything other than the usual dull black
> cursor with a white outline. using kde3.0.3, mdk9,
> xfree 4.2.1. what could be wrong? i desparately want a
> cool cursor! :-)
>
> - Will
>

Question: Does logging out and logging back in restart X?
I know there was a keyboard shortcut that does restart X, don't quote me but 
it might have been [Alt] [Backspace] or something similar. Nevermind it will 
be in the KDE docs somewhere, probably alongside a more politically correct 
method.


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Re: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:01, Michael Adams wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:15, Will Styles wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:43 pm, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > J.P. Pasnak wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > > >  If you want to change it on a per-user basis,
> > > > create an '.Xdefaults'
> > > > file in your home directory and add the following
> > > > lines:
> > > >
> > > >  ---
> > > >  Xcursor.size: 16
> > > >  Xcursor.theme: whiteglass
> > > >  ---
> > >
> > > JP,
> > >
> > > You're my hero! thanks man...now ALL is right with
> > > the world again. :)
> >
> > it doesn't work for me :(
> > i put those lines at the end of my already-existing
> > ~/.Xdefaults, logged out and logged back into kde. but
> > i don't get anything other than the usual dull black
> > cursor with a white outline. using kde3.0.3, mdk9,
> > xfree 4.2.1. what could be wrong? i desparately want a
> > cool cursor! :-)
> >
> > - Will
> >
> 
> Question: Does logging out and logging back in restart X?
> I know there was a keyboard shortcut that does restart X, don't quote me but 
> it might have been [Alt] [Backspace] or something similar. Nevermind it will 
> be in the KDE docs somewhere, probably alongside a more politically correct 
> method.
> 

doesn't restart X... ctrl-alt-backspace does or ... from a tty killall X
does it as well.

James

> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> 

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[expert] Multiple network interfaces on one host

[Mark Chou]

I already use a mandrake (8.0) box for my home NAT/firewall, and my home network at 
present is wired only. I would like to have a wireless access point hosted from this 
box as well, to have a little mobile computing available for the folks at home.  I've 
tried one appliance wireless router/access points for the SOHO use, but found that it 
didn't have enough compute power for "wireless speed" WEP (thru-put was drastically 
reduced), so I returned it. 

Instead I'm figuring it ought to be possible for the wireless nic (in conjunction with 
my MDK NAT box) to act as a wireless access point.  But I'm not confident that this 
can be so.  Can someone provide a sanity check?

1.  Is it possible to have a wireless nic (in conjunction with a MDK box) act as a 
wireless access point?  I'm assuming yes provided I use HostAP.
2.  What configuration parameters are necessary?  Do I specifically need to have the 
"wireless segment" be on a different subnet, or can I use the same subnet as my wired 
lan?  If possible I'd prefer having the wireless segment be on the same subnet as the 
wired lan, mainly for ease of administration.
3.  Would I be giving up any feature/performance/security doing it this way instead of 
using a dedicated appliance access point?  I'm actually hoping that the performance 
can be a bit better, especially in the WEP case.
4.  any howto's that are pertinent to this specific issue?  


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Re: [expert] Netcraft

[Dianne Marie Montesa]

this link will tell you how to do this:

http://linux.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/1219#hid

hth
dianne

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> information about your system. For example, instead
> detecting
> Apache-Advanced Extranet server, it would only list
> Apache.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the other
> do you happen to have the url.  I do use Asian fonts on occasion and
> have had trouble.  Thanks.
>
http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html

HTH

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Re: [expert] Mozilla and Netscape Profiles

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:51 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> Anne just a thought here that might work mv .mozilla to mozilla
> (removing the leading dot) so you don't lose anything.  Then start NS7
> first.  Since it won't have a . file to access it will have to create
> it's own.  Then start mozilla it should read the .netscape7 file and
> import the profile to itself.  The only thing left afterwords will be to
> cp your plugins and bookmarks from the old file to the new. (cp it not
> mv it mozilla can be real determined at times to not use "foreign"
> bookmarks.)
>
That might help.  It sounds real feeble - I've had such problems with Moz and 
plugins that I would like to remove it and re-install, possible with 1.2, but 
I do like the side-panel navigation and a few other things, so I'd like to 
get N7 working properly first in case I get into plugin hell again with the 
re-install.  It's not worth a huge amount of trouble, but I do like to know 
how things are working, and I'm unhappy that N7 is putting things somewhere 
wierd.  If I can get Moz right I'll probably take N7 off.

Anne
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Re: [expert] KDE in 9.0

[Ron Stodden]

et wrote:


so, ron, is there any change in te error mesages if you use "su -" instead of 
"su"? is that the only message, and does kpackage work? does it start at all?
 

su not involved at all.SuperUser Terminal from KDE menu, then enter
password in the resulting terminal.

kpackage started and worked fine.

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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[Steffen Barszus]

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 07:22, Vincent Danen wrote:
> On Tue Feb 04, 2003 at 09:54:32AM +1100, Ron Stodden wrote:

..

>
> Well, be that as it may, did DrakX ever advertise this windows-alike
> behaviour?  Did it say that if you did a package upgrade install that
> it would do what you seem to expect it to do?
>
> This isn't something you should be bitching about post-release... this
> is something you should bring up during development...  I can't recall
> ever seeing any thread about this to date.  To say that "updates
> clobbered your system and DrakX didn't fix it for me" when we never
> said it would do this, is not really acceptable.  You should bring this
> up with the developers.  Not sitting back and crying about it because
> you just assumed it was there.
>
> > It is incredible to me that this obvious requirement seems to have been
> > totally
> > overlooked by Mandrake. which is more evidence that the developers just
> > ignore
> >  industry experience and do not appear to actually be using the product
> > in any
> > user-workhorse mode.
>
> Well, that's just a load of crap and you know it.  I think I use my
> workstation just as hard as any Win98 user does... and it's rock solid
> for me.  Don't use the product in any user-workhorse mode?  Yeah...
> right.
>
> Anyways, this is something you should bring up on cooker... I doubt it
> can be accomplished for 9.1, but if no one asks for it, we dont't think
> about it or know it's important to people.  Can't be *that* important
> as this is the first I've heard of it in 3 years.  Remember, we are not
> Windows.  Ok, we may be missing some of the good features of Windows in
> some instances, but we're also missing a lot of the bad ones.  We
> didn't set out to make a Windows clone, you know.


Woow. No please no "reinstalling will solve your Problems". I can't believe 
someone can get such an idea. IF there should be a system-restoring app, then 
it should not use bad design like "re-installing" to do its job. We are using 
linux, so if it will be done it should work like WinXP restoring and with 
given seperated configuration and apps the restoring should be functional 
without eating up disc-space like XP do. (saving the index of installerd 
rpm's and backing up conf-files should do the job , shouldn't it ?) For sure 
a nice idea for newbies. 



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Re: [expert] KDE in 9.0

[Ron Stodden]

Todd Lyons wrote:


Not quite.  See the prompt above?  It had already exited.  The messages
you see afterward are from kdeinit killing itself and its child
processes off.  Do it again and instead of hitting Ctrl-C at this point,
press Enter and you'll get a prompt as well


But why?  Surely a completing program should make the OS give a prompt?   
9.0 doesn't!

strace -v kpackage > kpackage.debug 2>&1
grep -A 2 -B 10 "Bad file descriptor" kpackage.debug

You may have to look a bit more than 10 lines above.  Use less, search
to the point where it has "Bad file descriptor" then look back towards
the top to see what file is attempting to be opened that fails.


Thanks, will remember for next time.

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[expert] rpm error.

[Franki]

Hi guys, 

I am getting this error when I try to use mandrakeupdate...

rpmd: region error detected; run recovery.

What is recovery???

trying to rebuild the db gives the same error..

Not sure what to do about it..


rgds

Frank


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RE: [expert] rpm error. update!

[Franki]

I did:

rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__*
rpm --rebuilddb

To see if that would fix it...

now I am getting this error when I try the rpm --rebuilddb

error: db4 error(5) from dbcursor->c_get: Input/output error

Any one know what the problem is and how to fix it..

This is a live mysql server, and I can't run mandrake update...

If I can't get this working, I'm gonna have to update it manually.


any help would be most appreciated...


rgds

Franki

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Subject: [expert] rpm error.


Hi guys, 

I am getting this error when I try to use mandrakeupdate...

rpmd: region error detected; run recovery.

What is recovery???

trying to rebuild the db gives the same error..

Not sure what to do about it..


rgds

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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[et]

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:59 am, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 February 2003 07:22, Vincent Danen wrote:
> > On Tue Feb 04, 2003 at 09:54:32AM +1100, Ron Stodden wrote:
>
> ..
>
> > Well, be that as it may, did DrakX ever advertise this windows-alike
> > behaviour?  Did it say that if you did a package upgrade install that
> > it would do what you seem to expect it to do?
> >
> > This isn't something you should be bitching about post-release... this
> > is something you should bring up during development...  I can't recall
> > ever seeing any thread about this to date.  To say that "updates
> > clobbered your system and DrakX didn't fix it for me" when we never
> > said it would do this, is not really acceptable.  You should bring this
> > up with the developers.  Not sitting back and crying about it because
> > you just assumed it was there.
> >
> > > It is incredible to me that this obvious requirement seems to have been
> > > totally
> > > overlooked by Mandrake. which is more evidence that the developers just
> > > ignore
> > >  industry experience and do not appear to actually be using the product
> > > in any
> > > user-workhorse mode.
> >
> > Well, that's just a load of crap and you know it.  I think I use my
> > workstation just as hard as any Win98 user does... and it's rock solid
> > for me.  Don't use the product in any user-workhorse mode?  Yeah...
> > right.
> >
> > Anyways, this is something you should bring up on cooker... I doubt it
> > can be accomplished for 9.1, but if no one asks for it, we dont't think
> > about it or know it's important to people.  Can't be *that* important
> > as this is the first I've heard of it in 3 years.  Remember, we are not
> > Windows.  Ok, we may be missing some of the good features of Windows in
> > some instances, but we're also missing a lot of the bad ones.  We
> > didn't set out to make a Windows clone, you know.
>
> Woow. No please no "reinstalling will solve your Problems". I can't believe
> someone can get such an idea. IF there should be a system-restoring app,
> then it should not use bad design like "re-installing" to do its job. We
> are using linux, so if it will be done it should work like WinXP restoring
> and with given seperated configuration and apps the restoring should be
> functional without eating up disc-space like XP do. (saving the index of
> installerd rpm's and backing up conf-files should do the job , shouldn't it
> ?) For sure a nice idea for newbies.
hmmm sounds like rtfd is not his friend, and I would sure have been suprized 
if he felt the same way had he considered the f1-rescue instead of enter to 
install, and the fact it is all spelled out in a manner even a 12 year old 
native english speaker could understand. I think the rescue mode is what he 
is asking for. or else he is asking for M$. and believe me, reinstalling over 
a botched install/configuratiion of M$anything does not neccessarly fix 
anything.


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Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?

[Praedor Tempus Atrebates]

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I take responsibility for posting OT on the list.  I would do it again but 
perhaps in doing so I should have specified an off-list, direct reply to me 
rather than in the list.  Newsgroups are sometimes too slow and I needed info 
ASAP (like within an hour or so).  

I hoped to "dialog" with someone in the know directly rather than on the list.  
Or I expected someone to perhaps say "Yeah, I'm the person you are looking 
for, tell me about your problem", which would have prompted me to directly 
(offlist) correspond with the person.

This list happens to be quite quick with responses (usually), thus I made use 
of the best resource I had available.

praedor

On Monday 03 February 2003 09:39 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Monday 03 February 2003 04:06 pm, Todd Lyons wrote:
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> > Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:51:40PM -0500
> >
> > > Thank you for the help...NOT.  In any case, the "OT" DOES provide
> > > warning that it isn't ON TOPIC and you can read at your own risk.
> >
> > It's also a flag to list owners that the user is abusing the purpose and
> > intent of said list.
> >
> > > It sure beats the other OT thread on the list the other day.  Be
> > > thankful.
> >
> > Please don't post OT posts.  Be a leader, not a follower.
[...]
>
> Todd:
> With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess
> last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic.
> For another, I doubt that I'll be block-deleting great numbers of comments
> on this thread for the next five or six days before losing my cool.
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- - Friedrich Nietzsche.
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Re: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[et]

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:01 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:01, Michael Adams wrote:
> > On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:15, Will Styles wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:43 pm, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > > J.P. Pasnak wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > > > >  If you want to change it on a per-user basis,
> > > > > create an '.Xdefaults'
> > > > > file in your home directory and add the following
> > > > > lines:
> > > > >
> > > > >  ---
> > > > >  Xcursor.size: 16
> > > > >  Xcursor.theme: whiteglass
> > > > >  ---
> > > >
> > > > JP,
> > > >
> > > > You're my hero! thanks man...now ALL is right with
> > > > the world again. :)
> > >
> > > it doesn't work for me :(
> > > i put those lines at the end of my already-existing
> > > ~/.Xdefaults, logged out and logged back into kde. but
> > > i don't get anything other than the usual dull black
> > > cursor with a white outline. using kde3.0.3, mdk9,
> > > xfree 4.2.1. what could be wrong? i desparately want a
> > > cool cursor! :-)
> > >
> > > - Will
> >
> > Question: Does logging out and logging back in restart X?
> > I know there was a keyboard shortcut that does restart X, don't quote me
> > but it might have been [Alt] [Backspace] or something similar. Nevermind
> > it will be in the KDE docs somewhere, probably alongside a more
> > politically correct method.
>
> doesn't restart X... ctrl-alt-backspace does or ... from a tty killall X
> does it as well.
>
> James
>
> > --
> > Michael
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Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?

[et]

> I take responsibility for posting OT on the list.  I would do it again but
> perhaps in doing so I should have specified an off-list, direct reply to me
> rather than in the list.  Newsgroups are sometimes too slow and I needed
> info ASAP (like within an hour or so).

I am on this list to learn, and I must say, in this thread I learned a few 
things, and that made MY day (to learn something new), so for me at least 
this thread was very good. 


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Re: [expert] rpm error. update!

[et]

TOP post have you tried this ? from the errrata page...
Why: The installer misconfigured the medium description of Contribution 
packages. 
Solution: Insert the Installation CD (CD-ROM #1) and issue the command 
"urpmi.update cdrom8" as root


On Tuesday 04 February 2003 07:43 am, Franki wrote:
> I did:
>
> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__*
> rpm --rebuilddb
>
> To see if that would fix it...
>
> now I am getting this error when I try the rpm --rebuilddb
>
> error: db4 error(5) from dbcursor->c_get: Input/output error
>
> Any one know what the problem is and how to fix it..
>
> This is a live mysql server, and I can't run mandrake update...
>
> If I can't get this working, I'm gonna have to update it manually.
>
>
> any help would be most appreciated...
>
>
> rgds
>
> Franki
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 8:26 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [expert] rpm error.
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I am getting this error when I try to use mandrakeupdate...
>
> rpmd: region error detected; run recovery.
>
> What is recovery???
>
> trying to rebuild the db gives the same error..
>
> Not sure what to do about it..
>
>
> rgds
>
> Frank



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Re: [expert] Multiple network interfaces on one host

[Jack Coates]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:17, Mark Chou wrote:
...
> 
> 1.  Is it possible to have a wireless nic (in conjunction with a MDK
> box) act as a wireless access point?  I'm assuming yes provided I use
> HostAP.

yes

> 2.  What configuration parameters are necessary?  Do I specifically
> need to have the "wireless segment" be on a different subnet, or can I
> use the same subnet as my wired lan?  If possible I'd prefer having
> the wireless segment be on the same subnet as the wired lan, mainly
> for ease of administration.

just set it up as a new interface. DrakConf may even do it for you, did
for me. James Sparenberg has had no end of trouble though, so don't use
his computer :-) More useful advice would be to be proceed with caution;
if it works it will be relatively simple, if it doesn't it may be bad.

You can put the wireless on the same subnet as a bridge interface, but
that's the more complicated method; personally I'd put it on its own
subnet with its own set of firewall rules, bearing in mind that WEP is
broken and you may be playing host to neighbors and passersby.

> 3.  Would I be giving up any feature/performance/security doing it
> this way instead of using a dedicated appliance access point?  I'm
> actually hoping that the performance can be a bit better, especially
> in the WEP case.

WEP is implemented in hardware, and you will not see a performance
difference. You will have the opportunity to apply firewall and routing
rules though, which will make it much more secure.

To be fair, the security risk is a matter of the construction of your
house. If you live in a modern home (read plywood, wallboard, and paint)
you will have an issue. I live in a 1923 bungalow and my walls are built
with plaster, lathe, and chickenwire. Signal strength is 5 by the time I
get to the porch and gone by the time I reach the sidewalk or the
backyard fence.

> 4.  any howto's that are pertinent to this specific issue?  
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] getting RPM headers

[Larry Sword]

Philip Webb wrote:


can anyone tell me how to read the headers of the RPMs in Cooker & Contrib
without having to download the RPMs themselves & read them locally?
otherwise, how can you tell what the various programs are useful for?


Not sure how to read these on none local database.



if i do have a local RPM, but it's not in the URPMI database,
is there any way to read its header ( 'urpmq --header' doesn't help)?



On local rpms try this: rpm -qp --info 


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Re: [expert] getting RPM headers

[James Sparenberg]

Sorry if you get this as a dupe but after about 14 hours... it hasn't appeared. 

Got a wild hair up my other side and tried this.

# rpm -qip
http://mandrake.secsup.org/Mandrake/9.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/Apache-ASP-2.37-3mdk.noarch.rpm

(this is all one line but my line wrap messed it up.) And it worked!.
Note that this is a 9.0 rpm and I typed it into an 8.0 box so there is
no way it read it locally.


if you do rpm -qpl and then the http link you get all the files that
that package will install.

James



On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 20:54, Philip Webb wrote:
> can anyone tell me how to read the headers of the RPMs in Cooker & Contrib
> without having to download the RPMs themselves & read them locally?
> otherwise, how can you tell what the various programs are useful for?
> 
> if i do have a local RPM, but it's not in the URPMI database,
> is there any way to read its header ( 'urpmq --header' doesn't help)?
> 
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Re: [expert] Multiple network interfaces on one host

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:17, Mark Chou wrote:
> 
> I already use a mandrake (8.0) box for my home NAT/firewall, and my home network at 
>present is wired only. I would like to have a wireless access point hosted from this 
>box as well, to have a little mobile computing available for the folks at home.  I've 
>tried one appliance wireless router/access points for the SOHO use, but found that it 
>didn't have enough compute power for "wireless speed" WEP (thru-put was drastically 
>reduced), so I returned it. 
> 
> Instead I'm figuring it ought to be possible for the wireless nic (in conjunction 
>with my MDK NAT box) to act as a wireless access point.  But I'm not confident that 
>this can be so.  Can someone provide a sanity check?
> 
> 1.  Is it possible to have a wireless nic (in conjunction with a MDK box) act as a 
>wireless access point?  I'm assuming yes provided I use HostAP.
> 2.  What configuration parameters are necessary?  Do I specifically need to have the 
>"wireless segment" be on a different subnet, or can I use the same subnet as my wired 
>lan?  If possible I'd prefer having the wireless segment be on the same subnet as the 
>wired lan, mainly for ease of administration.
> 3.  Would I be giving up any feature/performance/security doing it this way instead 
>of using a dedicated appliance access point?  I'm actually hoping that the 
>performance can be a bit better, especially in the WEP case.
> 4.  any howto's that are pertinent to this specific issue?  
> 
> 
> -


There is a project that exists to do just this.  It's called hostap. 
check it out via freshmeat.  

James

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Re: [expert] Multiple network interfaces on one host

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 07:18, Jack Coates wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:17, Mark Chou wrote:
> ...
> > 
> > 1.  Is it possible to have a wireless nic (in conjunction with a MDK
> > box) act as a wireless access point?  I'm assuming yes provided I use
> > HostAP.
> 
> yes
> 
> > 2.  What configuration parameters are necessary?  Do I specifically
> > need to have the "wireless segment" be on a different subnet, or can I
> > use the same subnet as my wired lan?  If possible I'd prefer having
> > the wireless segment be on the same subnet as the wired lan, mainly
> > for ease of administration.
> 
> just set it up as a new interface. DrakConf may even do it for you, did
> for me. James Sparenberg has had no end of trouble though, so don't use
> his computer :-)

Hey! wireless NICs make great screen lock devices!!! (BTW I've had it
working with FreeBSD and Windwos on this box Just not MDK.)

 More useful advice would be to be proceed with caution;
> if it works it will be relatively simple, if it doesn't it may be bad.
> 
> You can put the wireless on the same subnet as a bridge interface, but
> that's the more complicated method; personally I'd put it on its own
> subnet with its own set of firewall rules, bearing in mind that WEP is
> broken and you may be playing host to neighbors and passersby.
> 
> > 3.  Would I be giving up any feature/performance/security doing it
> > this way instead of using a dedicated appliance access point?  I'm
> > actually hoping that the performance can be a bit better, especially
> > in the WEP case.
> 
> WEP is implemented in hardware, and you will not see a performance
> difference. You will have the opportunity to apply firewall and routing
> rules though, which will make it much more secure.
> 
> To be fair, the security risk is a matter of the construction of your
> house. If you live in a modern home (read plywood, wallboard, and paint)
> you will have an issue. I live in a 1923 bungalow and my walls are built
> with plaster, lathe, and chickenwire. Signal strength is 5 by the time I
> get to the porch and gone by the time I reach the sidewalk or the
> backyard fence.
> 
> > 4.  any howto's that are pertinent to this specific issue?  
> > 
> > 
> > ---
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> > 
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Re: [expert] Multiple network interfaces on one host

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 09:34, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:17, Mark Chou wrote:
> > 
> > I already use a mandrake (8.0) box for my home NAT/firewall, and my home network 
>at present is wired only. I would like to have a wireless access point hosted from 
>this box as well, to have a little mobile computing available for the folks at home.  
>I've tried one appliance wireless router/access points for the SOHO use, but found 
>that it didn't have enough compute power for "wireless speed" WEP (thru-put was 
>drastically reduced), so I returned it. 
> > 
> > Instead I'm figuring it ought to be possible for the wireless nic (in conjunction 
>with my MDK NAT box) to act as a wireless access point.  But I'm not confident that 
>this can be so.  Can someone provide a sanity check?
> > 
> > 1.  Is it possible to have a wireless nic (in conjunction with a MDK box) act as a 
>wireless access point?  I'm assuming yes provided I use HostAP.
> > 2.  What configuration parameters are necessary?  Do I specifically need to have 
>the "wireless segment" be on a different subnet, or can I use the same subnet as my 
>wired lan?  If possible I'd prefer having the wireless segment be on the same subnet 
>as the wired lan, mainly for ease of administration.
> > 3.  Would I be giving up any feature/performance/security doing it this way 
>instead of using a dedicated appliance access point?  I'm actually hoping that the 
>performance can be a bit better, especially in the WEP case.
> > 4.  any howto's that are pertinent to this specific issue?  
> > 
> > 
> > -
> 
> 
> There is a project that exists to do just this.  It's called hostap. 
> check it out via freshmeat. 

And if I could read I would have seen the first line... grrr.. sorry.
> 
> James
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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:42, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the other
> > do you happen to have the url.  I do use Asian fonts on occasion and
> > have had trouble.  Thanks.
> >
> http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html

Thank you...
> 
> HTH
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[Wolfgang Bornath]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:43 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:42, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the other
> > > do you happen to have the url.  I do use Asian fonts on occasion and
> > > have had trouble.  Thanks.
> > >
> > http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html
> 
> Thank you...

I did not follow this thread like I should have done, sorry. I looked
at the page and what I'd like to know is: What problems did you have
that were fixed by this patch - or better: what problems is this patch
supposed to fix?

I've been using SO6 (installed from the 9.0 DVD) extensively with
documents, spreadsheets and presentations, many times switching
between M$ Office apps and SO6. I never experienced major problems,
the only problems I had were on the M$ side.

I guess that the patch will be in the SO6 version of the 9.1 DVD when
it will be released, so is there any reason why I should install the
patch now?

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Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?

[Todd Lyons]

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Carroll Grigsby wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:39:08PM -0500 :
> 
> With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess 
> last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic. 

I did not say it was the same category regarding the topic.  I said
marking a message with OT shows that the email is an abuse of the
intended audience (in the author's opinion, I should have said).  I did
not attack Praedor as he has been an avid participant in this mailing
list and I don't want to be responsible for curttailing that.  A warning
just means that I'm trying to enforce the rules, it doesn't mean that
I'm angry.

Having said all of that, here is a two step guideline to writing
messages to any mailing list, not just this one.

1) Compose a subject for your question.
2) If the subject includes OT or Offtopic, delete the email without
sending or send it to the correct forum for that topic.

I'm not mad.  I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list.

And Praedor was right.  His question could have been worded only
slightly different and would have been well received.  Again, I'm not
mad.

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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 09:55, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:43 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:42, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > > Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the other
> > > > do you happen to have the url.  I do use Asian fonts on occasion and
> > > > have had trouble.  Thanks.
> > > >
> > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html
> > 
> > Thank you...
> 
> I did not follow this thread like I should have done, sorry. I looked
> at the page and what I'd like to know is: What problems did you have
> that were fixed by this patch - or better: what problems is this patch
> supposed to fix?
> 
> I've been using SO6 (installed from the 9.0 DVD) extensively with
> documents, spreadsheets and presentations, many times switching
> between M$ Office apps and SO6. I never experienced major problems,
> the only problems I had were on the M$ side.

For me it's two things.  One I'm having some troubles with Asian Font
rendering (Ugly is not the word.) I'm hoping to fix.  Second. I just
like to be current on patches. I haven't applied / used it yet so I
don't know if it will work.

James

> 
> I guess that the patch will be in the SO6 version of the 9.1 DVD when
> it will be released, so is there any reason why I should install the
> patch now?
> 
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Re: [expert] KDE in 9.0

[Todd Lyons]

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Ron Stodden wrote on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:12:59PM +1100 :
> Todd Lyons wrote:
> 
> >Not quite.  See the prompt above?  It had already exited.  The messages
> >you see afterward are from kdeinit killing itself and its child
> >processes off.  Do it again and instead of hitting Ctrl-C at this point,
> >press Enter and you'll get a prompt as well
> >
> But why?  Surely a completing program should make the OS give a prompt?   
> 9.0 doesn't!

It already did.  :)  All the lines that start with kdeinit are stderr
output from a program that's shutting down.  You already have a prompt
at this point.  You could just start typing your command.  Even though
the cursor is not at the [user@machinename dir] prompt, the shell still
thinks it's there because it ignores stderr from running programs.

The best way I know to show you this is this small program:
#!/bin/bash
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
echo -n "Starting sleeper function"
echo_success
echo
(sleep 5 && echo -n "Completing sleeper function" && echo_success) &

It starts a process running in the background that sleeps for 5 seconds
and then prints some stuff.  Notice where it prints the "completing"
message.  Notice where it puts the cursor after the second OK.  Just
type "ls" and it will list the current directory.  The shell still
_thinks_ that the cursor is at the same spot.

Changet he last line to:
(sleep 5 && echo -n "Completing sleeper function") &

Same thing.

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Re: [expert] MDK9 with Apache 2 with Load Balancing

[Todd Lyons]

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Robert Wideman wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 08:54:13PM -0600 :
> What are the options of doing this?
> MDK9 with Apache 2 with Load Balancing
> I have 4-Win2k boxes doing this now with IIS but i want to convert it to
> Linux/BSD or some form there of.  Any thoughts?

What's doing the load balancing?  A dedicated hardware device such as
BigIP?  Or are you going to use round robin DNS to do it?  Or custom
firewall using ipvsadm?  Or other?

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[expert] Ethernet MTU limit

[ddc_prueba]

Hello world...

I was to play with MTU ethernet parameter in my LAN to see if I can get
any speed improvement and found out that I can't get it more than
1500!!! Here is command and error:

[root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1600
SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument

[root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
(no error)

But if I do 'ifconfig' alone it shows me that lo (local loopback
interface) has a MTU=16436 

Why can't I get my eth0 card to that MTU (even if it would make net
slower)???

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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:55 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:43 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:42, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > > Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the
> > > > other do you happen to have the url.  I do use Asian fonts on
> > > > occasion and have had trouble.  Thanks.
> > >
> > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html
> >
> > Thank you...
>
> I did not follow this thread like I should have done, sorry. I looked
> at the page and what I'd like to know is: What problems did you have
> that were fixed by this patch - or better: what problems is this patch
> supposed to fix?
>
Praedor was having problems with trying to save his presentation, and 
apparently getting corruption.  I can't remember the details, I'm sure he 
will fill you in.

I had found problems if I tried to have two fairly large (about 60-70 page) 
Starwriter documents open at the same time.  This apparently resulted in 
corruption of the files, and I could no longer open them once that had 
happened.  Others checked the files for me, and found that they could open 
them singly, but confirmed my problem with opening them both at the same 
time.

When I found the patch I was unclear as to what it would do, other than it was 
supposed to have some bug fixes, and I had nothing to lose.  In the event it 
seems that the major change is to improve the handling of Asian fonts, but 
the bug fixes seem to have cured my problem, as I can now open the two files 
that caused my original problem and cut and paste between them without any 
problem whatsoever.

HTH

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Re: [expert] Ethernet MTU limit

[Jack Coates]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 10:38, ddc_prueba wrote:
> Hello world...
> 
> I was to play with MTU ethernet parameter in my LAN to see if I can get
> any speed improvement and found out that I can't get it more than
> 1500!!! Here is command and error:
> 
> [root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1600
> SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
> 
> [root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
> (no error)
> 
> But if I do 'ifconfig' alone it shows me that lo (local loopback
> interface) has a MTU=16436 
> 
> Why can't I get my eth0 card to that MTU (even if it would make net
> slower)???
> 
> Thanx to all gurus out there!!!

http://www.ethermanage.com/ethernet/ethernet.html

Some very good reading there...

Basically, 1500 is the MTU of the specification and that's all that the
physical hardware is going to support. You can go smaller in which case
it will be padded out with zeroes by the driver, or you can go smaller
because you're using a virtual device that tunnels over something else
(PPPoE, L2TP, PPTP). Gigabit gear does support a jumbo frame, but it
isn't always used and isn't something to muck with lightly.

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[expert] new 9.0 install dropping ssh/dns traffic

[Christopher Kolar]

Hi.  I recently had an 8.x box go up in flames, so I rebuilt it with
a clean install of 9.0.  I configured the firewall using the control
center to allow WWW, SMTP, DNS, and SSH traffic inbound.  While mail
and web traffic is flowing in normally, traffic to named and sshd on
ports 53/22 respectively are being closed.  Shorewall appears to be
configured properly when I look at the rules, and a port scan from
another host shows those ports as being available.
I would appreciate any advice that can be offered, I figure that I missed
something that may be a more or less obvious change made since I last had
to spend time configuring my network connectivity.
Thanks,
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Re: [expert] KDE in 9.0

[Rolf Pedersen]

Todd Lyons wrote:

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Ron Stodden wrote on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:12:59PM +1100 :


Todd Lyons wrote:



Not quite.  See the prompt above?  It had already exited.  The messages
you see afterward are from kdeinit killing itself and its child
processes off.  Do it again and instead of hitting Ctrl-C at this point,
press Enter and you'll get a prompt as well



But why?  Surely a completing program should make the OS give a prompt?   
9.0 doesn't!


It already did.  :)  All the lines that start with kdeinit are stderr
output from a program that's shutting down.  You already have a prompt
at this point.  You could just start typing your command.  Even though
the cursor is not at the [user@machinename dir] prompt, the shell still
thinks it's there because it ignores stderr from running programs.


[...]


Blue skies...			todd


I have seen how the shell handles this but the shell doesn't have my 
eyes, nor my brain, I daresay :)  IOW, it can be less than ergonomic to 
start typing a fresh command at the return of the prompt, have these 
stderr messages suddenly inserted, try to make sense of what I have 
typed and what to type next, perhaps try to resume, then, often, have a 
second barrage of stderr messages edited into my attempt.  Is there not 
some way in the program's code to exclude these messages from the 
terminal, once the prompt has been returned, so as not to make 
continuing at the command line so optometrically/psychically challenging?

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Re: [expert] new 9.0 install dropping ssh/dns traffic

[Jack Coates]

/etc/hosts.allow

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 11:00, Christopher Kolar wrote:
> Hi.  I recently had an 8.x box go up in flames, so I rebuilt it with a
> clean install of 9.0.  I configured the firewall using the control
> center to allow WWW, SMTP, DNS, and SSH traffic inbound.  While mail
> and web traffic is flowing in normally, traffic to named and sshd on
> ports 53/22 respectively are being closed.  Shorewall appears to be
> configured properly when I look at the rules, and a port scan from
> another host shows those ports as being available.
> 
> I would appreciate any advice that can be offered, I figure that I
> missed something that may be a more or less obvious change made since
> I last had to spend time configuring my network connectivity.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [expert] password change script

[Brian York]

We are going to put in a MS Active directory soon. That is for use by around
20,000 clients can will linux work with active directory as in the way of a
universal password 

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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] password change script



Jan Wilson wrote:
> * Ric Tibbetts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030131 16:14]:
> 
>>7 systems is plenty for NIS.  I've done it for as few as 3.
>>Save yourself some headaches, put in NIS. It's easy!
>>
>>Brian York wrote:
>>
>>>Does anyone have or know of a script/program (preferably perl) that 
>>>could be configured to change a users password on all linux machines on 
>>>a network. I know a nis server would be better but we don't have enough 
>>>linux machines yet to require one (only 7 linux servers).
> 
> 
> Or you could go the LDAP route.  I'm trying to set that up right now,
> as I get the time.  It's supposed to be lots better than NIS, after
> you get it all set up, although I'm not finding it the easiest thing
> to get my head around.

LDAP has some security advantages over NIS, as well as some functional 
advantages.
But it can be a bear to get your head around. If the original poster 
didn't want to put in NIS for 7 clients,
they're certainly not going to want to attempt LDAP.. :)

NIS is easy.


JMHO

Ric




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Re: [expert] Mozilla and Netscape Profiles

[mycal62]

hi ,

did you try looking in : file:/usr/local/netscape/defaults/profile

Only thing I could find.

what is the exact problem you are having?  I've just gone through a bit 
of a pain to get my  netscape 7 working properly after a new install.   
I had to create a new profile , delete the default profile and rename 
the new one to default to make it work. it was doing a lot of weird 
stuff, but now all works perfect,
and I have all the old bookmarks, and messages and such.

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Re: [expert] KDE in 9.0

[Todd Lyons]

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Rolf Pedersen wrote on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:05:28AM -0800 :
> second barrage of stderr messages edited into my attempt.  Is there not 
> some way in the program's code to exclude these messages from the 
> terminal, once the prompt has been returned, so as not to make 
> continuing at the command line so optometrically/psychically challenging?

When you start the program, append >/dev/null 2>&1 to it.  Once it's
already started, no there's no easy way.

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Re: [expert] KDE in 9.0

[Rolf Pedersen]

Todd Lyons wrote:

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Rolf Pedersen wrote on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:05:28AM -0800 :


second barrage of stderr messages edited into my attempt.  Is there not 
some way in the program's code to exclude these messages from the 
terminal, once the prompt has been returned, so as not to make 
continuing at the command line so optometrically/psychically challenging?


When you start the program, append >/dev/null 2>&1 to it.  Once it's
already started, no there's no easy way.

Blue skies...			Todd


OK, thanks.  I'll remember this for programs I start.





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Re: [expert] new 9.0 install dropping ssh/dns traffic

[et]

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 02:00 pm, Christopher Kolar wrote:
> Hi.  I recently had an 8.x box go up in flames, 
so,,, what did you do to get the smoke out of them little boxes,,, and what 
color was the smoke???

sorry i don't have more info about the real problem, are you saying you can 
not ssh ? Is named running?



so I rebuilt it with a
> clean install of 9.0.  I configured the firewall using the control center
> to allow WWW, SMTP, DNS, and SSH traffic inbound.  While mail and web
> traffic is flowing in normally, traffic to named and sshd on ports 53/22
> respectively are being closed.  Shorewall appears to be configured properly
> when I look at the rules, and a port scan from another host shows those
> ports as being available.
>
> I would appreciate any advice that can be offered, I figure that I missed
> something that may be a more or less obvious change made since I last had
> to spend time configuring my network connectivity.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --chris
>
>
>
>
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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[et]

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 12:55 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:43 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:42, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > > Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the
> > > > other do you happen to have the url.  I do use Asian fonts on
> > > > occasion and have had trouble.  Thanks.
> > >
> > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html
> >
> > Thank you...
>
> I did not follow this thread like I should have done, sorry. I looked
> at the page and what I'd like to know is: What problems did you have
> that were fixed by this patch - or better: what problems is this patch
> supposed to fix?
>
> I've been using SO6 (installed from the 9.0 DVD) extensively with
> documents, spreadsheets and presentations, many times switching
> between M$ Office apps and SO6. I never experienced major problems,
> the only problems I had were on the M$ side.
>
> I guess that the patch will be in the SO6 version of the 9.1 DVD when
> it will be released, so is there any reason why I should install the
> patch now?
>
> wobo
one of this thread was the one you offered to test for Preador, the Star 
office presentation that gave an error when saving to Powerpoint, but could 
be cut and pasted to a new file, and saved with no problem, and Anne had a 
couple of files that were Star Office writter, that opening both files at the 
same time, (ie clicking on one file, and befor it got opend, if you clicked 
on the other file to open it, that froze the box. mouse moved, no keyboard 
response, no problem to ssh in form inside the lan and shut down with 
"reboot". did the same on a few differnet boxes, but "cp file1 file2" the 
file 2 works and opens cleanly etc


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RE: [expert] password change script

[Jack Coates]

see pam_ldap.

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 11:32, Brian York wrote:
> We are going to put in a MS Active directory soon. That is for use by around
> 20,000 clients can will linux work with active directory as in the way of a
> universal password 
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Tibbetts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] password change script
> 
> 
> 
> Jan Wilson wrote:
> > * Ric Tibbetts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030131 16:14]:
> > 
> >>7 systems is plenty for NIS.  I've done it for as few as 3.
> >>Save yourself some headaches, put in NIS. It's easy!
> >>
> >>Brian York wrote:
> >>
> >>>Does anyone have or know of a script/program (preferably perl) that 
> >>>could be configured to change a users password on all linux machines on 
> >>>a network. I know a nis server would be better but we don't have enough 
> >>>linux machines yet to require one (only 7 linux servers).
> > 
> > 
> > Or you could go the LDAP route.  I'm trying to set that up right now,
> > as I get the time.  It's supposed to be lots better than NIS, after
> > you get it all set up, although I'm not finding it the easiest thing
> > to get my head around.
> 
> LDAP has some security advantages over NIS, as well as some functional 
> advantages.
> But it can be a bear to get your head around. If the original poster 
> didn't want to put in NIS for 7 clients,
> they're certainly not going to want to attempt LDAP.. :)
> 
> NIS is easy.
> 
> 
> JMHO
> 
> Ric
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[Wolfgang Bornath]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 15:37 -0500, et wrote:
> one of this thread was the one you offered to test for Preador, the Star 
> office presentation that gave an error when saving to Powerpoint, but could 
> be cut and pasted to a new file, and saved with no problem, and Anne had a 

I think that one was not really a SO fault.

> couple of files that were Star Office writter, that opening both files at the 
> same time, (ie clicking on one file, and befor it got opend, if you clicked 
> on the other file to open it, that froze the box. mouse moved, no keyboard 
> response, no problem to ssh in form inside the lan and shut down with 
> "reboot". did the same on a few differnet boxes, but "cp file1 file2" the 
> file 2 works and opens cleanly etc

This sounds like a clear thing in favour of the patch as Anne stated
she did not have that problem after installing the patch.

Thanks to you and Anne and James for enlightening me.

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Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:15, Todd Lyons wrote:

> Carroll Grigsby wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:39:08PM -0500 :
> > 
> > With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess 
> > last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic. 
> 
> I did not say it was the same category regarding the topic.  I said
> marking a message with OT shows that the email is an abuse of the
> intended audience (in the author's opinion, I should have said).  I did
> not attack Praedor as he has been an avid participant in this mailing
> list and I don't want to be responsible for curttailing that.  A warning
> just means that I'm trying to enforce the rules, it doesn't mean that
> I'm angry.
> 
> Having said all of that, here is a two step guideline to writing
> messages to any mailing list, not just this one.
> 
> 1) Compose a subject for your question.
> 2) If the subject includes OT or Offtopic, delete the email without
> sending or send it to the correct forum for that topic.
> 
> I'm not mad.  I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list.
> 
> And Praedor was right.  His question could have been worded only
> slightly different and would have been well received.  Again, I'm not
> mad.

Well, I am.  I stay pissed.  

;)

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Re: [expert] Multiple network interfaces on one host

[Mark Chou]

OK, this is encouraging.  Just a few more questions please (Jack et al.).
I've already read "the" wireless howto
(http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/). I just want to make
sure I get a card which will work in conjunction with HostAP, want to get a
nic with firmware know to work.

If it isn't too much trouble, please mention make and specific models of
WLAN nics that work well with HostAP.  Please include ones which also
haven't worked well (lockups, just plain don't work, etc.).  In particular,
I would especially be interested in any success stories of Linux HostAP with
a **USB** WLAN nic.

Thanks,
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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[et]

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 03:53 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 15:37 -0500, et wrote:
> > one of this thread was the one you offered to test for Preador, the Star
> > office presentation that gave an error when saving to Powerpoint, but
> > could be cut and pasted to a new file, and saved with no problem, and
> > Anne had a
>
> I think that one was not really a SO fault.
>
> > couple of files that were Star Office writter, that opening both files at
> > the same time, (ie clicking on one file, and befor it got opend, if you
> > clicked on the other file to open it, that froze the box. mouse moved, no
> > keyboard response, no problem to ssh in form inside the lan and shut down
> > with "reboot". did the same on a few differnet boxes, but "cp file1
> > file2" the file 2 works and opens cleanly etc
>
> This sounds like a clear thing in favour of the patch as Anne stated
> she did not have that problem after installing the patch.
>
> Thanks to you and Anne and James for enlightening me.
>
> wobo
I would not put bets on where to blame in either case,,, my [gag,,cough, 
cough, choke] intuition makes me think of some weird kinda file corruption in 
both cases, but SO is the only common thread _that_ _we_ _know_ _of_.


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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[Wolfgang Bornath]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 16:15 -0500, et wrote:
> I would not put bets on where to blame in either case,,, my [gag,,cough, 
> cough, choke] intuition makes me think of some weird kinda file corruption in 
> both cases, but SO is the only common thread _that_ _we_ _know_ _of_.

Yes, that sounds right, but...

Taking into account that we may well have different computers, a
different installation of maybe different versions of Mandrake it
boils down to nothing in common at all, oh ... wait...
Yes, the main principle of the binary system: 1 != 0

You may take that further down to the Big Bang
(No, I don't mean the one when your Dad spanked you for the first
time!)

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RE: [expert] MDK9 with Apache 2 with Load Balancing

[Robert Wideman]

This is in my home.  I dont have $20k to do this.
I work on BigIP at workDell Storage Support at HQ in Austin.
I just want to load balance port 80 mainly.  I think i found a way to do
this.
http://www.backhand.org/mod_backhand/

Thanks tho.
Rob

>> What's doing the load balancing?  A dedicated hardware device such as
>> BigIP?  Or are you going to use round robin DNS to do it?  Or custom
>> firewall using ipvsadm?  Or other?



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Re: [expert] Ethernet MTU limit

[ddc_prueba]

Thank you very much.
I'll read docs on the link's page tomorrow and see if I can get any
speed up ;-))


El mar, 04-02-2003 a las 19:56, Jack Coates escribió:
> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 10:38, ddc_prueba wrote:
> > Hello world...
> > 
> > I was to play with MTU ethernet parameter in my LAN to see if I can get
> > any speed improvement and found out that I can't get it more than
> > 1500!!! Here is command and error:
> > 
> > [root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1600
> > SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
> > 
> > [root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
> > (no error)
> > 
> > But if I do 'ifconfig' alone it shows me that lo (local loopback
> > interface) has a MTU=16436 
> > 
> > Why can't I get my eth0 card to that MTU (even if it would make net
> > slower)???
> > 
> > Thanx to all gurus out there!!!
> 
> http://www.ethermanage.com/ethernet/ethernet.html
> 
> Some very good reading there...
> 
> Basically, 1500 is the MTU of the specification and that's all that the
> physical hardware is going to support. You can go smaller in which case
> it will be padded out with zeroes by the driver, or you can go smaller
> because you're using a virtual device that tunnels over something else
> (PPPoE, L2TP, PPTP). Gigabit gear does support a jumbo frame, but it
> isn't always used and isn't something to muck with lightly.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem

[Brian Schroeder]

Out of interest, does anyone know if Staroffice patches can be applied
to Openoffice installations?  Could it be done?  Would it break things?

Brian


From: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the other
> do you happen to have the url.  I do use Asian fonts on occasion and
> have had trouble.  Thanks.
>
http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html

HTH

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[expert] Mandrake RPM updates

[Mark Chou]

Now that Mandrake has announced their product end-of-life policy
(http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/productlifetime.php3), I really need a
sustainable upgrade strategy.  I've always struggled with rpm updates,
basically downloadling source rpms and building them myself.  Mandrake
package dependencies also happen to be particularly 'unkempt,'  often
includes things that really aren't necessary.  My most "important" MDK box,
a gateway/firewall, is still basically MDK8.0 (console only).

What do most of you do to keep your machines up to date with necessary
features and security updates?  Do you pretty much re-pave each time for a
newer MDK distro, or do you build your own from sources?  Any time-saving
hints, like rsync, etc, which would save download time? What are the best
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Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates

[Jack Coates]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 15:44, Mark Chou wrote:
> Now that Mandrake has announced their product end-of-life policy
> (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/productlifetime.php3), I really need a
> sustainable upgrade strategy.  I've always struggled with rpm updates,
> basically downloadling source rpms and building them myself.  Mandrake
> package dependencies also happen to be particularly 'unkempt,'  often
> includes things that really aren't necessary.  My most "important" MDK box,
> a gateway/firewall, is still basically MDK8.0 (console only).
> 

I would never use a full distribution for a system like that; have a
look at http://leaf.sourceforge.net.

> What do most of you do to keep your machines up to date with necessary
> features and security updates?  Do you pretty much re-pave each time for a
> newer MDK distro, or do you build your own from sources?  Any time-saving
> hints, like rsync, etc, which would save download time? What are the best
> practices?
> 

I generally use Mandrake as a desktop and take whatever they suggest for
an update; when I use it for a server I trim things down very carefully.
I typically rebuild the crucial packages (e.g. the stuff that the box
exists for) from src.rpm unless the box is high-security, in which case
it doesn't have a compiler on it. 

> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates

[Dave Laird]

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Good afternoon,  Mark...

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 03:44 pm, Mark Chou wrote:

> What do most of you do to keep your machines up to date with necessary
> features and security updates?  Do you pretty much re-pave each time for a
> newer MDK distro, or do you build your own from sources?  Any time-saving
> hints, like rsync, etc, which would save download time? What are the best
> practices?

I cannot speak for others, but the method I have used since I began using
Mandrake as a workstation model is that I upgrade nearly every time a new
distro is available. Plus, *anytiime* security "fixes" or upgrades are
offered, I don't hesitate to download the upgrade and apply it without
question.  Thus far I have yet to be "bitten" by a security
upgrade. Even the recent KDE upgrade went flawlessly, although I gather from
reading comments that some did have problems. 

When a new distro comes out, such as 8.2 to 9.0, I wait a few days and watch
the newsgroups (and this e-mail list among others) for any complaints of
problems, and if none are perceived, I burn the CD's and write over the
existing copy. Thus far, other than 8.0, I haven't had any trouble, and then
it was because I was in too much of a hurry to do my homework. 8-( 

Thus far I have never used Mandrake as a server, although I understand it can
be just as robust as RedHat when it comes to that. I just haven't gotten
around to it yet. 

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Re: [expert] Ethernet MTU limit

[Toshiro]

> I was to play with MTU ethernet parameter in my LAN to see if I can get
> any speed improvement and found out that I can't get it more than
> 1500!!! Here is command and error:
>
> [root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1600
> SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
>
> [root@athlon root]# ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
> (no error)
>
> But if I do 'ifconfig' alone it shows me that lo (local loopback
> interface) has a MTU=16436 
>
> Why can't I get my eth0 card to that MTU (even if it would make net
> slower)???

You should have a look at the Ethernet-II frame specification:

[ Preamble ][Dest-addr][Src-addr][ Type   ][ Data][  CRC   ]
<-64bits->  <48bits> <48bits><16bits><32bits>

The Maximum Transfer Unit is the largest amount of data that can be 
transferred across a physical network; for an ethernet physical interface the 
maximum value is 1500.

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Re: [expert] Ethernet MTU limit

[stefmit]

I was just going to reply to the original message, but I stopped, thinking 
that a million and one people will jump all over. But now I have to 
intervene: the statement below (if - taken in the context of the question - 
may imply that we are still talking about 1500 bytes) is incorrect. The 
limitation is at the other end (the 46 bytes one), where the possible minimum 
needed headers (64 bits preamble + 48 bits dest addr + 48 bits src addr + 16 
bits type/length + 32 bits CRC/FCS) need to have at least 46 bytes payload, 
in order to make sure that the MINIMUM Ethernet frame length is achieved. Why 
a minimum? - because the frame needs to make it forward and back on the 
maximum network diameter, in order to be sure a possible 
"other-end-of-network" collision is still detected by the original 
transmitter.

And because I got to write this email: the legend has it that the reason for 
MAXIMUM  specified at the 1500 bytes is COST of memory in 1979 (when the 10 
Mbps Ethernet was designed) - vis-a-vis needs for buffering in the LAN 
controllers. Presumably there are now discussions taking place at IEEE about 
increasing that value (the 1500 bytes) to make room for VLAN tagging ...

HTH,
Stef

On Tuesday 04 February 2003 12:56 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> You can go smaller in which case
> it will be padded out with zeroes by the driver


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[expert] Problem with .rpmmacros / rpm build setup

[Jim C]

Well I got that last bug but now I have another.
This last line in my rpmmacros file is causing trouble:


# Where scripts are found (like find-requires-nonvidia)
%_my_bindir /lclusr/jim/bin
%_my_rpmdir /lclusr/jim/rpm
...
%__find_requires%{_my_bindir}/find-requires-nonvidia %{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}



As far as I can tell there is no "find-requires-nonvidia" anywhere.  I 
tried scanning the rpm database for such a file and none exists, 
installed or otherwise.  I also did searches on /usr/lib/rpm which 
contains only:

[jim@enigma rpm]$ pwd
/usr/lib/rpm
[jim@enigma rpm]$ ls 
athlon-linux@config.sub*  get_magic.pl* i686-mandrake-linux/perl.prov*rpmpopt-4.0.4
athlon-mandrake-linux/   convertrpmrc.sh* getpo.sh* javadeps*   perl.req* rpmq*
brp-compress*cpanflute*   http.req* k6-linux@   rpmb* rpmrc
brp-mandrake*find-lang.sh*i386-linux@   k6-mandrake-linux/  rpmd* rpmt@
brp-sparc64-linux*   find-provides*   i386-mandrake-linux/  macros  rpm.daily*rpmu@
brp-strip*   find-provides.perl*  i486-linux@   magic.prov* rpmdiff.cgi*  rpmv@
brp-strip-comment-note*  find-prov.pl*i486-mandrake-linux/  magic.req*  rpme@ rpm.xinetd*
brp-strip-shared*find-req.pl* i586-linux@   mkinstalldirs*  rpmi* u_pkg.sh*
check-prereqs*   find-requires*   i586-mandrake-linux/  noarch-linux@   rpmk* vpkg-provides2.sh*
config.guess*find-requires.perl*  i686-linux@   noarch-mandrake-linux@  rpm.log*  vpkg-provides.sh*

I also checked the path and I checked several other likely locations in 
the file system.  No dice.  What are the odds that this is out of date? 
 It might have been deprecated or the file might be going by another 
name these days?  Like I notice the list of files above includes a 
find-requires.perl as well as a find-requires*

Jim C wrote:
I am stuck at the rpm install. I think I probably have a macro wrong 
somewhere.  Note that jim is a local user with home directory named 
/lclusr/jim.

[jim@enigma jim]$ rpm -ivh samba-2.2.7a-3mdk.src.rpm
error: cannot create %sourcedir /%{/lclusr/jim}/rpm/SOURCES




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Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates

[Mark Chou]

Jack,

If I were to install a linux firewall appliance today, I'd probably go with
LEAF/LRP, or firewalls such as smoothwall, coyote, etc.  However, 2+ years
ago, when I embarked on this, I believe 2.4 kernels started penetrating the
major distros, and one of the draws was stateful packet inspection (SPI),
which didn't make it to LEAF/LRP for the longest time.  I've pared down my
MDK 8.0 firewall box to less than 250MB total, which I think is less than
that of firewalls.  It's only within recently memory that LEAF projects have
even moved on to 2.4 kernel.

And since my MDK fw was completely set up two years ago and running, there
is really no compelling reason for me to switch to LEAF.  LEAF also has
other (perceived) drawbacks, such as too many variants, unclear if they are
well tested for security flaws, etc.

Thanks,
Mark



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