[FairfieldLife] lovely link
If you haven't seen this yet you will surely enjoy it. http://www.potentialmovie.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] lovely link
Saw it. Thanks. on 5/2/05 3:25 PM, David Fiske at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you haven't seen this yet you will surely enjoy it. http://www.potentialmovie.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-472-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sad thing is, so few will look outside the TMO for perspective. Therein lies great danger. Blind trust can only lead to blindness in this case. How is your own attachment and identification with a new set of codified dogmas any less blind? Alex Exactly. The bottomline is that all we have is our own experience and the value (or lack thereof) that it has for us. For example, Alex took the Sudarshan Kriya course, did it for a while and concluded it wasn't for him. I took it and loved it. Think of the endless arguments we could have about who is right regarding this. What a waste of time. Vaj, you do not value MMY and his program. Your bias comes through when you appear to discount everything about MMY. Others just don't have that experience. For me and many other the siddhis are great. For you they are not. No big deal. -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Today's Guardian (UK) Newspaper
Either that, or it'll just *seem* a heck of a lot longer. :) On May 2, 2005, at 8:42 AM, scienceofabundance wrote: The Beatles were right: researchers have found that hanging out with the Maharishi may make you live longer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanyama and Effective Transcendent Prayer
My experience is beyond experience during the TM phase and a honey like smoothness with sanyama on the Name of God. I use the Sanskrit Sat Naam which to me conceptualizes consciousness (Sat) knowing itself (Naam). It brings the self into experience so I seem to have both Pure consciousness with no Self and the subtlest universal Self. Similar to the post by Vaj. Vaj wrote: That the standard text for attainment of Cosmic Consciousness of the Holy Shankaracharya Order mentions the first three verses of pada three and deliberately excludes all siddhi formulae indicating that if you are interested in enlightenment, rather than yogic attainments, then the siddhi formulae are to be specifically left out. The reason? The siddhi formulae will create more vasanas rather than eliminating them. Also they introduce form, when habits of form must be transcended for true enlightenment to dawn. (snip) 53. But Samadhi-with-conceptualization whose object is the Self is the cause both of the eradication of latent tendencies (vasanas) and the Samadhi-of-suppression. Therefore we have given it (rather than supernatural powers) serious attention here. This seems to be Samyama where the Self is the object --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hence the growing from CC to GC or 'perceiving the finest relative' as it is referred to by Maharishi. You didn't finish your exposition. What happens after you subtly entertain that thought of God? What is YOUR experience? Jai Guru Dev Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Effective Prayer is the process of embodying the divine and becoming it's expression The technique of Sanyama can be used to accomplish this Meditation is the process of bringing the attention inward to stillness, inner silence, pure bliss consciousness, the witness state, samadhi. All of these describe aspects of the same thing. We have a particular meditation procedure that we do for set amount of time twice daily. It works like clockwork and, over time, as we meditate each day and then go out and be active, our nervous system becomes naturally accustomed to sustaining and radiating inner silence. Our daily life then becomes calmer from the inside. We are less overwhelmed by external events. This is the rise of the first stage of enlightenment, which is inner silence present in our life twenty- four hours a day, seven days a week. Once we have some inner silence, even just a little, we have the opportunity to begin to operate from that level of infinite potential in us. All that exists is manifested from that, and we, being that, are capable of manifesting from that infinite reservoir of life within us. So, with our toe in the infinite, we can begin to move from there for the benefit our transformation to enlightenment. It is simple to do. You will recall that in meditation we use the thought of a sound with no meaning, the mantra, to systematically allow the mind to go to stillness. It is in letting go of any meaning, language or intellectual content, and just easily picking up the thought of the mantra, that is able to dive deep into pure bliss consciousness. The nervous system also goes to silence with the mind, and our metabolism slows way down. With samyama, we begin to go the other way. After our meditation time is up, we rest for a minute or two and we transition into samyama. We begin with an easy state of not thinking, just resting in our silence. If thoughts are coming, we just let them go without entertaining them. In samyama practice we do not entertain the mantra either. We start by not favoring anything but being easy in our silence, however much silence we have from our just completed meditation session, and naturally present in us from our months or years of daily meditation. This is the starting point for samyama -- silence. The only prerequisite for doing samyama practice is having some inner silence. For most people this is after a few months of daily deep meditation, as covered in the early lessons. Now we are ready to begin samyama practice. Here is how we do it. With samyama, we are initiating meaning in silence. We do it in a simple, easy, systematic way. First we create an impulse of meaning in silence, and then we let it go in silence. Let's begin with the Name of God. It is a good place to start with samyama. In samyama it is suggested you use your most intimate language, the language that goes deepest in your heart, whatever it may be. In your easy silence, pick up, just once, the fuzziest feeling of the Name of God. Don't deliberately make a clear pronunciation, or mental images of this or that scene or situation that represent the Name of God. Just have a faint remembrance of the Name of God, and then
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanyama and Effective Transcendent Prayer
On May 2, 2005, at 4:48 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: My experience is beyond experience during the TM phase and a honey like smoothness with sanyama on the Name of God. I use the Sanskrit Sat Naam which to me conceptualizes consciousness (Sat) knowing itself (Naam). It brings the self into experience so I seem to have both Pure consciousness with no Self and the subtlest universal Self. Similar to the post by Vaj. Yes, very similar. Vaj wrote: That the standard text for attainment of Cosmic Consciousness of the Holy Shankaracharya Order mentions the first three verses of pada three and deliberately excludes all siddhi formulae indicating that if you are interested in enlightenment, rather than yogic attainments, then the siddhi formulae are to be specifically left out. The reason? The siddhi formulae will create more vasanas rather than eliminating them. Also they introduce form, when habits of form must be transcended for true enlightenment to dawn. (snip) 53. But Samadhi-with-conceptualization whose object is the Self is the cause both of the eradication of latent tendencies (vasanas) and the Samadhi-of-suppression. Therefore we have given it (rather than supernatural powers) serious attention here. This seems to be Samyama where the Self is the object Some will just due the body in a sequence. No powers, but not only does the shakti slowly penetrate every nook and cranny, but eventually the witness develops very rapidly. Even this is abused in some cases. As it is perfected, you learn you can paralyze parts of the body. Some people will use this then to be able to push needles through their body, etc. The Self and the sutras which discriminate it are precious. It's interesting, the Shankaracharya order approach uses various verses in pada three, but only ones which will lead directly to enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanyama and Effective Transcendent Prayer
That sounds nice! I was meditating I think last Friday afternoon and I had this experience whereby I could see the Absolute as a lake of water and every time my body did a heart beat, it sent out ripples over the lake. Fun stuff! Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience is beyond experience during the TM phase and a honey like smoothness with sanyama on the Name of God. I use the Sanskrit Sat Naam which to me conceptualizes consciousness (Sat) knowing itself (Naam). It brings the self into experience so I seem to have both Pure consciousness with no Self and the subtlest universal Self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MUM 10 Pm bedtime?
Everybody in the city has to be at home and in bed by curfew time, when all the lights go off http://slate.com/id/2117846/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] More Indian students in USA, but not the pundits...
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=45950 Express India, 2 May 2005 Security check on visa applications from students in science and technology fields is believed to have discouraged many Chinese students from applying to US schools. Not so for Indian students, who faced the same screening and whose enrolment shot up by 46 per cent from the 2000-01 academic year to 2003-04. Chinese enrolment rose three per cent during that time. I expect their (Indian) numbers to continue to grow, said Peggy Bloomenthal, Vice-President for educational programmes at the Institute of International Education in New York. Indian students haven't experienced problems with security checks to the same degree as the Chinese because the processing has gone a lot smoother at the US Embassy in New Delhi. They took measures to shorten the delays at an earlier stage, she was quoted as saying. (more at link above) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Intro Lecture policy?
Someone told me that the new policy is that the teacher giving the lecture says hello and pops in a video of Bevan, John, and Tony Nader giving an intro. After the tape he answers questions. Anyone heard if this is true? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] New Intro Lecture policy?
on 5/2/05 5:37 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone told me that the new policy is that the teacher giving the lecture says hello and pops in a video of Bevan, John, and Tony Nader giving an intro. After the tape he answers questions. Anyone heard if this is true? P.S. I don't know if Tony's wearing his crown. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM/Longer-Life study picked up by mainstream ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=721613 Meditation calms the mind, lengthens life: study Reuters May. 2, 2005 - By Charnicia E. Huggins NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Increasing evidence suggests that transcendental meditation may not only reduce stress, but also may help adults with high blood pressure to live longer, according to a new study. "There are many non-drug techniques for reducing blood pressure, but none...extend life," study author Dr. Robert H. Schneider, of the Maharishi University of Management in Iowa, told Reuters Health. He added that the current study shows that "you can live longer with a mind-body intervention." Transcendental meditation is a technique for calming the body and mind, to allow individuals to enter a state of "restful alertness," in which the body is awake but the mind is not engaged in conscious thought. It is a method of "waking up the body's own self-repair mechanisms," Schneider said. The new report, published in this month's American Journal of Cardiology, is based on a review of data from two studies that showed that transcendental meditation helped decrease blood pressure among white and African-American adults, respectively. Schneider and his team evaluated the association between the meditation technique and risk of death among the study participants. The two studies included 202 men and women, about 72 years old on average, who had pre-hypertension or mild hypertension. They were assigned to a transcendental meditation group, or to various comparison groups of other relaxation techniques. Participants in the two studies were followed for about eight years on average -- a maximum of nearly 19 years -- during which 101 individuals died. Overall, men and women who practiced transcendental meditation not only had lower blood pressures than those in the other groups, but were also 23 percent less likely to die from any cause, Schneider and his team report. In particular, they were 30 percent less likely to die from cardiovascular disease and 49 percent less likely to die from cancer. The "integrated holistic" transcendental meditation technique does not have any harmful side effects, Schneider said. Schneider is the director of the Institute for Natural Medicine and Prevention, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. SOURCE: American Journal of Cardiology, May 2, 2005. Copyright 2005Reuters News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Copyright 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Blank Bkgrd.gif
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY The loss you are referring to was not a loss except on paper. Hartnett gave stock in the privately-held Globalink to Maharishi Global Development, and assigned an arbitrary and absurdly large value to that stock (since it was not a publicly-traded stock, he could assign any value to it). When Globalink went out of business http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html , MGD could no longer list the stock, and so the paper showed a minus figure for that year, but it was not a real loss any more than it was a real gain at any time, and since non-profits don't pay federal tax, it had no impact one way or the other. Thanks for that info, Bob - clears that up. Could MDG use the paper value of that stock as some kind of collateral for borrowing other money? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY The loss you are referring to was not a loss except on paper. Hartnett gave stock in the privately-held Globalink to Maharishi Global Development, and assigned an arbitrary and absurdly large value to that stock (since it was not a publicly-traded stock, he could assign any value to it). When Globalink went out of business http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html , MGD could no longer list the stock, and so the paper showed a minus figure for that year, but it was not a real loss any more than it was a real gain at any time, and since non-profits don't pay federal tax, it had no impact one way or the other. Thanks for that info, Bob - clears that up. Could MDG use the paper value of that stock as some kind of collateral for borrowing other money? JohnY *** It would be hard to imagine any lender falling for a ploy like that, so I doubt it. Banks usually want real collateral or other guarantees, and neither inflated stock nor raams are going to cut it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
Vaj wrote: On May 2, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: How is your own attachment and identification with a new set of codified dogmas any less blind? I go with my experience. You don't have to agree with it. But Vaj, you just said our experiences have a funny way of matching what we've been taught they should be. Why should your experiences of the harmful effects of the TM- Sidhi program be any more valid than my experiences if its benefits? By the way, this precept leads to percept scenario is what Dana Sawyer holds. (Dana's the philosophy and religion professor who's been quoted a fair amount on this list.) He says that if enlightenment were really the ultimate reality, enlightened people would describe it pretty much the same the world over. But they don't. Enlightened Buddhists describe it the way Buddhists are taught to describe it, and enlightened Hindus describe it the way they've been taught it should be. And the two are very different. Enlightenment is described differently from culture to culture, and some cultures have no mention of it in their religious traditions. (Native Americans, for example, according to Dana, make no reference to anything like an enlightened state of being.) -- Patrick Gillam Vaj wrote: It's easy to condition ourselves. How many times have we heard that this is the goal: silence in activity--CC, etc. We were conditioned to believe that from the start. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. ... Is it such a surprise that we have been told this precise same scenario--in a number of different ways and then ego fills in the blank? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
Good evening: On May 2, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: But Vaj, you just said our experiences have a funny way of matching what we've been taught they should be. Why should your experiences of the harmful effects of the TM- Sidhi program be any more valid than my experiences if its benefits? What I was saying is the ego fills in what will keep it intact. If there is uncertainty, it fills in what is consistent with what it was told. Ultimately this is part of why seeded meditations don't give permanent results. There is always some ego involvement for one--and two, vasanas don't diminish. At best--at very best, you plant good vasanas. As I was later to find out, tradition teaches one thing, M. teaches another. Believe me, this was a surprise and disappointment for me--and not easy. I really was devoted to my program at the time. It was not easy for me to get that I had held an incorrect View. The pain stopped when I stopped grabbing something I was really rather attached to. By the way, this precept leads to percept scenario is what Dana Sawyer holds. (Dana's the philosophy and religion professor who's been quoted a fair amount on this list.) He says that if enlightenment were really the ultimate reality, enlightened people would describe it pretty much the same the world over. But they don't. Enlightened Buddhists describe it the way Buddhists are taught to describe it, and enlightened Hindus describe it the way they've been taught it should be. And the two are very different. Dana and I seem to agree on a good number of things. I hope we get to meet when he is in Blue Hill. I have a Zen master I'm sure he'd like to meet! Anyhew--yeah this is a key point I've made as well: View (darshana--POV, your own inner cosmology) determines Path and Path determine fruit. Correct View is therefore essential. One thing I noticed was that M. gave a very precise but very limited and not very detailed description of CC and UC. It actually has a rather detailed View and Path. You know the odd thing? People who claim CC in the TMO, their description--almost without exception--never extends beyond the description they've given. I have found some deep similarities in ultimate enlightenment. It's hard to discuss though across traditions. This can be reconciled...and without fudging. bg Enlightenment is described differently from culture to culture, and some cultures have no mention of it in their religious traditions. (Native Americans, for example, according to Dana, make no reference to anything like an enlightened state of being.) Yeah the differences are really rather interesting. There's a couple of long stories here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
on 5/2/05 8:49 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana and I seem to agree on a good number of things. I hope we get to meet when he is in Blue Hill. I have a Zen master I'm sure he'd like to meet! Me too! I might stop by there this summer. Do you live there or near there? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/1/05 3:37:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally , I think philosophizing about the Tibetans is about all we can do!. That is because you and republicans can only see one method of diplomacy/negotiation...the nuke or MOAB. I admire minimalism, but not when it comes to THINKING. well Off-World , there have been 6 democratic administrations that could have dealt with China and Tibet and none did. I guess nobody gives a sh*t, even democrats! By the way , it was a republican president that convinced the Chinese to open up to the west and try capitalism. Democracy won't be too far behind and then Tibet will have it's best chance yet of having autonomy if not independence from China.No nukes or MOABs needed. Once again you support the annihilation of a culture and the genocide of Tibetans. Your mind is so perverse. Yea, kill 'em all off, then the world would be just fine. Same idea as HITLER . (jesus!). You and Bush are truly insane!. You can't even see it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/1/05 3:33:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you now have changed your opinion that 'nature is just culling humans'? Try to get over your egothen respond to this question. Off world You are taking my original question out of context and trying to say that I think, since nature is taking it's course, that it is Ok for China to commit genocide on the Tibetan people. Which I never said. My original post, Do you ever get the impression that Nature is culling the human race, was in regards to all of the atrocities, wars etc that we have witnessed in the past ,specifically starting with Hitler to present time. Never at any time did I say it was ok for any mass murderer to practice what has been done in the past or what is now happening in Tibet or Africa. Your outrage seems to be that I didn't jump all over China and condemn them for what they have done in regards to your original post. I think John Y said it best when he said you can recognize the process without agreeing with the actors of that process. That has been my sentiment all along. But you seem to be adamant that because I recognize the process that I have to agree that it should be done and carried out and is there for justified for whatever purpose. Paalase give me a break! Ok. I said many times that your logic makes some sense, but it is ONLY your ego that cannot simply say Yes , I agree that it is not 'nature's culling justice' but humans killing humans. Call a spade a spade...paalese. Do you really think it diminishes you to agree on something? And to modify your speech? Is your ego so entrenched? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
In a message dated 5/2/05 9:34:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. I said many times that your logic makes some sense, but it is ONLY your ego that cannot simply say "Yes , I agree that it is not 'nature's culling justice' but humans killing humans. Call a spade a spade...paalese.Do you really think it diminishes you to agree on something? And to modify your speech? Is your ego so entrenched? Off world this is going to be my last post regarding this matter. Quite frankly it bores me and I think most people are tired of it, as I am. Have I not referred to the Tibetan situation as well as other ATROCITIES as GENOCIDE in earlier posts? I guess the words "atrocities" and "genocide" don't carry the same weight as "humans killing humans" in your vocabulary. I'm sorry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Good idea. Hahah. Anyway, there's not so many ashrams left. Let's see, Muktananda, rip, Yogananda, rip, Maharishi, might as well be rip, Prahupada, rip, Rajaneesh (who I respect BTW-I always assumed that everyone thought the rolls royces were a joke, as in, when is enough enough. I still can't believe that people thought he was serious. That's really dense.) rip. Those whould be my audience, that is, the people who felt ripped and disenchanted. They would get the irony of worshipping a human as god only to have god ask them to trim their Bush. - Original Message - From: vashtirama To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Have you ever considered traveling around to ashrams doing stand-up comedy?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: You can still feel tremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, and forgive his shortcomings if that's what they are. ---Not to mention that his name will be erased from your mind by next reincarnation anyway.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Resort to One Guru
Title: Resort to One Guru Quote I used to carry in my wallet: The Guru is not an instructor who comes into the life of the student to educate him in a subject or subjects, and goes out of it as soon as his role is over. The Guru is the Spiritual Father of the disciple: he takes the disciple in his own being, fills him with consciousness, links the destiny of the novice with his own, and thus makes him a permanent part of himself. The disciple surrenders to him wholly and his well-being and progress depends upon his faithfulness to the Guru who is carrying him on the path. To seek for other Gurus, to open to other influences, cuts across the belt of security: there comes a mixture of influences, a confusion of understanding and the disciple loses his foothold. Therefore, one must stick to one Idea, one Deity, one Guru once the choice has been made. Parasurama Kalpasutra I.201 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] SSRSh on Bettina S!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening: Dana and I seem to agree on a good number of things. I hope we get to meet when he is in Blue Hill. I have a Zen master I'm sure he'd like to meet! Blue Hill, Maine, Vaj? Lived there for a few years as a kid JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Tuesday - Stop Judging
Title: Template May 03, 2005 - Stop Judging I have discovered that when I bring myself to stop stating judgments aloud, I save myself the ordeal of listening to the same judgments made of me. When I bring myself to stop thinking judgments, I save myself from every untoward event! William Samuel A Guide to Awareness and Tranquility Thinking is nothing more than the comparing of one thing against another; it is judgment in motion. When we cease the process of thinking, we know there is nothing to compare; there is only ONE. Carson's Commentary Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Hi Bert Christina, Your snapshots are phenomenal! The quotes are very helpful. Some days it's like you are writing just to me for it is exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks so much for all your beauty love. Jeanne Hickey Lindenhurst, Illinois, United States Please feel free to forward The Daily Inspiration to a friend - and... don't forget to check out our new web site http://www.your-inner-peace.com Bert Christina Carson FuturePoint Communication 6868 Moores Mill Road Huntsville, Alabama 35811 USA 1-256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List - click here To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRSh on Bettina S!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.yle.fi/fst/bettinas/ Click on Titta pa videon next to Bettina's right knee! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Monday - Give 100%
Title: Template May 02, 2005 - Give 100% In order to wake up, you must commit all of your inner resources one-pointedly to the task at hand. You must be willing to suspend all other considerations and make awakening the top priority of this life. Adyashanti The first step to waking up is the realization that you have been asleep. Everything after that realization, is the next step. Carson's Commentary Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Dear Bert and Christina, I love your messages and the photos. If you ever need some new photos let me know. I would love to share some I take in my travels. Suzanne Feit Marina Del Rey, California, United States Please feel free to forward The Daily Inspiration to a friend - and... don't forget to check out our new web site http://www.your-inner-peace.com Bert Christina Carson FuturePoint Communication 6868 Moores Mill Road Huntsville, Alabama 35811 USA 1-256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List - click here To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Im enjoying these comments, Kirk. We gotta save this Brigante boy. If this jelly jar is callingyou stickyeven in jest then he needs his lid screwed a bit tighter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
You can still feeltremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, andforgive his shortcomings if that's what they are.---Not to mention that his name will be erased from your mind by next reincarnation anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/1/05 8:04:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey when good Communist wright the history books I apologies for my spelling people it's usually not that bad! Well, write-wright-right-rite...rait, who cares! :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On May 1, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: Guru Dev sent MMY to enlighten a very very ignorant world, and in that process, MMY may have to not stick to the facts at every turn in order to successfully accomplish his important and divinely-mandated mission. Where is your evidence to support this erroneous conclusion? Both as a Shankaracharya, but specifically as a leader of the dandi sannyasis and as a dandi himself, this does not ring true on several levels. The dandis and the Shankaracharyas represent a conservative movement. For one of them to break tradition, i.e. sending a non-Brahmin on a divinely-mandated mission is absurd in the extreme. Furthermore there is no evidence that TM has anything to do with Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, let alone the Shankaracharya tradition. It is also alleged that Sw. Brahamananda specifically told Mahesh NOT to teach. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easyone,ever consider anger management? Cause youe posts frequenly come across as pretty angry.BTW I'm pretty sure you will respond to this post in the same way but who knows maybe Im wrong :) Kevin It would appear that Easyone's anger is a normal stage of cleansing the three gunas in the process of inner alchemy -- wherein we generally progress from the White (sattva) radiance through the Red (rajas) to the Black (tamas). During the White, we may see the teacher's consciousness as our own. During the Red, we may feel a great deal of anger and disillusionment, a lot of rage in the lower belly. I found the flying sutra to be exquisite at enlivening this, just before bringing on the Dark Night of the Soul (Black). Simply accepting these qualities inside oneself, rather than resisting and projecting them, eases the process considerably. As always, resistance = suffering. Upon completion of the Black, we stand naked and alone, bereft of concepts and criteria, ready to accept the Perfection of the Now (Crucifixion into Brahman). It's a natural process. Simple nonjudgemental attention on the feelings and allowing them to breathe or to breathe through them can also help at certain points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Byron Katie's wake-up experience
What I find so interesting about Byron Katie's awakening is that it occured outside of any enlightenment tradition. She had no prior concepts or expectations regarding awakening. I believe Eckhart Tolle also awoke outside of any tradition. Ramana Maharishi's awakening also occured outside of a spiritual tradition. He just died one day when he was 16. There's quite a freshness that springs from these traditionless awakenings. -Peter --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don¹t remember whether or not I posted this here: Less than two weeks after I entered the halfway house, my life changed completely. What follows is a very approximate account. One morning I woke up. I had been sleeping on the floor as usual. Nothing special had happened the night before; I just opened my eyes. But I was seeing without concepts, without thoughts or an internal story. There was no me. It was as if something else had woken up. It opened its eyes. It was looking through Katie's eyes. And it was crisp, it was clear, it was new, it had never been here before. Everything was unrecognizable. And it was so delighted! Laughter welled up from the depths and just poured out. It breathed and was ecstasy. It was intoxicated with joy: totally greedy for everything. There was nothing separate, nothing unacceptable to it. Everything was its very own self. For the first time I it experienced the love of its own life. I it was amazed! In trying to be as accurate as possible, I am using the word ³it² for this delighted, loving awareness, in which there was no me or world, and in which everything was included. There just isn't another way to say how completely new and fresh the awareness was. There was no I observing the ³it.² There was nothing but the ³it.² And even the realization of an ³it² came later. Let me say this in a different way. A foot appeared; there was a cockroach crawling over it. It opened its eyes, and there was something on the foot; or there was something on the foot, and then it opened its eyes I don't know the sequence, because there was no time in any of this. So, to put it in slow motion: it opened its eyes, looked down at the foot, a cockroach was crawling across the ankle, and it was awake! It was born. And from then on, it's been observing. But there wasn't a subject or an object. It was is everything it saw. There's no separation in it, anywhere. All my rage, all the thoughts that had been troubling me, my whole world, the whole world, was gone. The only thing that existed was awareness. The foot and the cockroach weren't outside me; there was no outside or inside. It was all me. And I felt delight absolute delight! There was nothing, and there was a whole world: walls and floor and ceiling and light and body, everything, in such fullness. But only what it could see: no more, no less. Then it stood up, and that was amazing. There was no thinking, no plan. It just stood up and walked to the bathroom. It walked straight to a mirror, and it locked onto the eyes of its own reflection, and it understood. And that was even deeper than the delight it had known before. It fell in love with that being in the mirror. It was as if the woman and the awareness of the woman had permanently merged. There were only the eyes, and a sense of absolute vastness, with no knowledge in it. It was as if I she had been shot through with electricity. It was like God giving itself life through the body of the woman God so loving and bright, so vast and yet she knew that it was herself. It made such a deep connection with her eyes. There was no meaning to it, just a nameless recognition that consumed her. Love is the best word I can find for it. It had been split apart, and now it was joined. There was it moving, and then it in the mirror, and then it joined as quickly as it had separated it was all eyes. The eyes in the mirror were the eyes of it. And it gave itself back again , as it met again. And that gave it its identity, which I call love. As it looked in the mirror, the eyes the depth of them were all that was real, all that existed prior to that, nothing. No eyes, no anything; even standing there, there was nothing. And then the eyes come out to give it what it is. People name things a wall, a ceiling, a foot, a hand. But it had no name for these things, because it's indivisible. And it's invisible. Until the eyes. Until the eyes. I remember tears of gratitude pouring down the cheeks as it looked at its own reflection. It stood there staring for I don't know how long. These were the first moments after I was born as it, or it as me. There was nothing left of Katie. There was literally not even a shred of memory of her no past, no future, not even a present. And in that openness, such joy. ³There's nothing
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to say that everyone has to become disillusioned with his guru in order to graduate. Maharishi certainly didn't. Do we know this to be true...? :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is the correlation really as tight as you assume? Could TM be as great as it is yet MMY have a few screws loose? That's the amazing thing: MMY is actually greater than any assumption a mind could have and he has more than a few screws loose. Any point value can awaken to the infinite value. Being with MMY so long and now being with Punditji for over a decade, it has become quite clear that the only difference between MMY and Punditji is their personalities. Brahman is the same in both. Both are fully awake. Guru Dev, MMY, Punditjino difference other than on the level of personality. We just have a lot of concepts regarding who can and who can not be awake. -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions. Yes, beautiful point. Until we come to see the teacher/god/Self as embracing ALL of it, we truly cannot truly nonjudgementally embrace ALL of it in ourselves, or so it appeared to me :-) Exactly. We need to let go of all these judgemental mind traps. This doesn't mean we then ignore our experience or distress when we hear these things about MMY. Just let the experience burnout the mental constructand behave accordingly in relationship to MMY and the TMO. We need to be free of these constructs that say how something should or should not be. It's actually just another strategy of the mind to remain in control. Sneaky little bastard! -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to say that everyone has to become disillusioned with his guru in order to graduate. Maharishi certainly didn't. Do we know this to be true...? :-D Who would we be without this (Rick's) thought?.. Just empty, clear and present. Is that true? I don't know. Perhaps our insistence that our spiritual teachers come in a particular box creates all sorts of suffering for us. They come exactly as they do. When it is time to be with them, we're with them. When it is time to leave, we leave. No biggy. It's only the mind that creates these melodramas. -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Any mental story, satvic or tamasic, is just horse shit. We hold onto stories because it gives the mind a sense of control. What would happen if we let go of all our stories? Probably we'd explode like those toads I read about! -Peter --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's sort of like saying the 'facts' are all there in the Bible, Bob. Sal On May 1, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with faith. The facts are there in MMY's writing The Divine Plan. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions. Yes, beautiful point. Until we come to see the teacher/god/Self as embracing ALL of it, we truly cannot truly nonjudgementally embrace ALL of it in ourselves, or so it appeared to me :-) Exactly. We need to let go of all these judgemental mind traps. This doesn't mean we then ignore our experience or distress when we hear these things about MMY. Just let the experience burnout the mental constructand behave accordingly in relationship to MMY and the TMO. We need to be free of these constructs that say how something should or should not be. It's actually just another strategy of the mind to remain in control. Sneaky little bastard! -Peter Yes, exactly -- in no way am I advocating acceptance as a form of enablement, of ignoring or suppressing or rationalizing the feelings and thus falling into deeper denial and conformity. This would be pure tamas. :-) Nor am I advocating that one lash out while addicted to the anger, as this too is simply a subtler form of denying the feelings, attempting to escape them; this is remaining in the grip of rajas. Rather simply we nonjudgementally accept the feelings inside ourself, let our attention on them perform its alchemy as we are stripped of all our certainties and beliefs to stand free in the Now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] BURGERDAMMERUNG: TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT
BURGERDAMMERUNG: TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT, or Do you want fries with that enlightenment? Those who have been waiting with 'bated breath to hear the official definition of an Ideal Vedic Society from Maharishi need wait no more; the verdict is in. The Ideal Vedic Society is a Burger King franchise operation in drag. As we speak, several dozen devout TM teachers and TM pracitioners are in residence at MUM learning the details of this spiritual fast- food operation, and details of its organizational structure are beginning to filter back to this and other forums. The old TM structure is gone, kaput. Long live the new structure. The old TM teachers have been obsoleted. Long live the kings and queens of the new order. There are even loyalty oaths to sign before you can become privy to the details of this new Ideal Society, much less become a part of it. And this new Ideal Structure has all the earmarks of New Coke, that is, if the Coca-Cola Corporation had, at the time they brought out *their* monumental marketing failure, declared that: * All existing Coca-Cola distributorships are null and void. * All existing distributors must be re-certified, at their own considerable cost. * The existing distributors are the ones to be blamed for the low sales figures. * No existing distributor has the right to sell New Coke or Classic Coke. * NO ONE has the right to sell Coke, period, unless it's sold from one of the approved outlets. The new structure is basically a fast-food franchise operation, but one seemingly conceived in a nuthouse. Within four or five days of the completion of the New TM course, prospective franchisees must find adequate premises in shopping malls, office buildings or motels and set up shop. They must find 9 employees who are willing to work for $15 an hour or less, and who must be willing to pay $2500 for the uniform required for their job -- instruction in the basic TM technique. (Do the math. This ain't gonna work. A massage therapist would have to work 167 hours just to BREAK EVEN after paying for the uniform. Not to *mention* the requirement that they have to raise 3 million bucks each within a very short time.) It doesn't stop there. The whole franchise operation is run by Rajas who are required to dress up in long, flowing robes and (appropriately enough) wear gold Burger King crowns. These royal overseers are *required* to spend seven hours a day doing program, so it's not as if they're gonna get their hands dirty a lot. And the absolute kicker is that male Rajas can instruct or check only males, and female Rajas (or is that Rajinis) can instruct only females. As a marketing plan, it simply defies the imagination -- imagine going into a Burger King and being told that the guy behind the counter can take your order because you're male, but your wife or girlfriend is going to have to wait for a female employee to wait on them. It's official -- the TM organization has lost its mind. So where does that leave YOU, as a still-loyal TM teacher or rank- and-file TMer? Well, in my opinion, that leaves you in a pretty enviable place -- spiritual crisis. As TM teachers, you have been rendered obsolete. You have been told that you can no longer teach TM, the thing that you made tremendous sacrifices to be able to do. Furthermore, as TM teachers you are being specifically BLAMED for the obvious fact that TM has not saved the world as it was supposed to do. The person blaming you is the same person who has thought up this amazing boondoggle of a franchise operation, and the blame is obviously coming from the same place the marketing plan did -- senile dementia. It's going to inspire some moments of spiritual crisis in the most devoted of followers, and I for one think that's a good thing. A lot of seekers don't *like* moments of spiritual crisis. They actively hide from them behind the safety of blind faith. Personally, I think that blind faith is a kind of spiritual holding pattern, in which seekers dwell for months or years or even decades to keep themselves from ever having to deal with the R word -- reality. Well, reality has hit the fan big-time in the TM movement, folks, and pretty much everyone except the few dozen faithful at MUM is going to have to finally deal with it. The *ways* that people will deal with it are all too familiar: * Some are going to persevere in blind faith and assume that Maharishi sees better than they do. * Some of these are going to go into Inquisition Mode and declare everyone who doesn't immediately log on to the New TM idea Off The Program. * Some will declare anyone who even expresses doubts about the New TM heretics. * Some will begin to entertain doubts not only about the senile old man who thought this hare-brained scheme up, but about everything they have been taught for many decades, and will stalk off in a snit and declare everything they've learned over the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On May 2, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Any mental story, satvic or tamasic, is just horse shit. We hold onto stories because it gives the mind a sense of control. What would happen if we let go of all our stories? Probably we'd explode like those toads I read about! Observe how (or if) nature supports a person. I think the question Is nature supporting Mahesh and his actions? is a good one. The aforementioned criteria on bondage are worthy of note and will not generally be found in realizers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT
Commentary from an old TM teacher on the new TM. BURGERDAMMERUNG: TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT, or Do you want fries with that enlightenment? Those who have been waiting with 'bated breath to hear the official definition of an Ideal Vedic Society from Maharishi need wait no more; the verdict is in. The Ideal Vedic Society is a Burger King franchise operation in drag. As we speak, several dozen devout TM teachers and TM pracitioners are in residence at MUM learning the details of this spiritual fast-food operation, and details of its organizational structure are beginning to filter back to this and other forums. The old TM structure is gone, kaput. Long live the new structure. The old TM teachers have been obsoleted. Long live the kings and queens of the new order. There are even loyalty oaths to sign before you can become privy to the details of this new Ideal Society, much less become a part of it. And this new Ideal Structure has all the earmarks of New Coke, that is, if the Coca-Cola Corporation had, at the time they brought out *their* monumental marketing failure, declared that: * All existing Coca-Cola distributorships are null and void. * All existing distributors must be re-certified, at their own considerable cost. * The existing distributors are the ones to be blamed for the low sales figures. * No existing distributor has the right to sell New Coke or Classic Coke. * NO ONE has the right to sell Coke, period, unless it's sold from one of the approved outlets. The new structure is basically a fast-food franchise operation, but one seemingly conceived in a nuthouse. Within four or five days of the completion of the New TM course, prospective franchisees must find adequate premises in shopping malls, office buildings or motels and set up shop. They must find 9 employees who are willing to work for $15 an hour or less, and who must be willing to pay $2500 for the uniform required for their job -- instruction in the basic TM technique. (Do the math. This ain't gonna work. A massage therapist would have to work 167 hours just to BREAK EVEN after paying for the uniform. Not to *mention* the requirement that they have to raise 3 million bucks each within a very short time.) It doesn't stop there. The whole franchise operation is run by Rajas who are required to dress up in long, flowing robes and (appropriately enough) wear gold Burger King crowns. These royal overseers are *required* to spend seven hours a day doing program, so it's not as if they're gonna get their hands dirty a lot. And the absolute kicker is that male Rajas can instruct or check only males, and female Rajas (or is that Rajinis) can instruct only females. As a marketing plan, it simply defies the imagination -- imagine going into a Burger King and being told that the guy behind the counter can take your order because you're male, but your wife or girlfriend is going to have to wait for a female employee to wait on them. It's official -- the TM organization has lost its mind. So where does that leave YOU, as a still-loyal TM teacher or rank-and-file TMer? Well, in my opinion, that leaves you in a pretty enviable place -- spiritual crisis. As TM teachers, you have been rendered obsolete. You have been told that you can no longer teach TM, the thing that you made tremendous sacrifices to be able to do. Furthermore, as TM teachers you are being specifically BLAMED for the obvious fact that TM has not saved the world as it was supposed to do. The person blaming you is the same person who has thought up this amazing boondoggle of a franchise operation, and the blame is obviously coming from the same place the marketing plan did -- senile dementia. It's going to inspire some moments of spiritual crisis in the most devoted of followers, and I for one think that's a good thing. A lot of seekers don't *like* moments of spiritual crisis. They actively hide from them behind the safety of blind faith. Personally, I think that blind faith is a kind of spiritual holding pattern, in which seekers dwell for months or years or even decades to keep themselves from ever having to deal with the R word -- reality. Well, reality has hit the fan big-time in the TM movement, folks, and pretty much everyone except the few dozen faithful at MUM is going to have to finally deal with it. The *ways* that people will deal with it are all too familiar: * Some are going to persevere in blind faith and assume that Maharishi sees better than they do. * Some of these are going to go into Inquisition Mode and declare everyone who doesn't immediately log on to the New TM idea Off The Program. * Some will declare anyone who even expresses doubts about the New TM heretics. * Some will begin to entertain doubts not only about the senile old man who thought this hare-brained scheme up, but about everything they have been taught for many decades, and will stalk off in a snit and declare everything they've learned over the years invalid,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
Crowley said that much of what we
perceive with our limited sight organ as black is really light at too high a
vibration. Much of what we perceive as evil is just the conditioning that
society has wrought upon us, for instance, the stigmas of nudity and of use of
plants for exploration and sacrament. Jesus spent three days in hell after
Golgotha, and Guru Rinpoche is there still taming demons.
If you treat the demons with
compassion they aren't that bad after all. They make true and constant
companion pets. But if you lash out at them all the time they'll bite your ass
every time you turn around.
- Original Message -
From:
Rory Goff
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The report
we've been waiting for
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wrote: Easyone,ever consider anger management? Cause
youe posts frequenly come across as pretty angry.BTW I'm pretty
sure you will respond to this post in the same way but who knows maybe
I"m wrong :) KevinIt would appear that Easyone's anger is a
normal stage of cleansing the three gunas in the process of inner alchemy
-- wherein we generally progress from the White (sattva) radiance through
the Red (rajas) to the Black (tamas). During the White, we may see the
teacher's consciousness as our own. During the Red, we may feel a
great deal of anger and disillusionment, a lot of rage in the lower
belly. I found the flying sutra to be exquisite at enlivening this,
just before bringing on the Dark Night of the Soul (Black). Simply
accepting these qualities inside oneself, rather than resisting and
projecting them, eases the process considerably. As always, resistance
= suffering. Upon completion of the Black, we stand naked and alone,
bereft of concepts and criteria, ready to accept the Perfection of the Now
("Crucifixion" into Brahman). It's a natural process. Simple
nonjudgemental attention on the feelings and allowing them to "breathe" or
to "breathe through them" can also help at certain
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On the other hand it's said that the guru is a mold for the mind and so it's very important to choose the right mold because if not then the mind becomes imprinted and one starts making that type of karma, which will have far reaching consequences. The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions.Yes, beautiful point. Until we come to see the teacher/god/Self as embracing ALL of it, we truly cannot truly nonjudgementally embrace ALL of it in ourselves, or so it appeared to me :-)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
no difference other than on the level ofpersonality. We just have a lot of concepts regardingwho can and who can not be awake. -Peter Sure, and when one realizes this in themself also then of what use are those others? They become rather comedic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
Vaj posted: The siddhi formulae will create more vasanas rather than eliminating them. Also they introduce form, when habits of form must be transcended for true enlightenment to dawn. Vaj, you posted lots of scripture to back up the contention above, but is it also your experience that the TM-Siddhi program created vasanas, rather than eliminated them? If yes, how could you tell? Thanks. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] BURGERDAMMERUNG: TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT
I'm an MIU grad class of 87. I went through my spiritual crisis with the TMO merely over the raise in initiation fee to 2,500 smackers. That was a clear enough sign for me, the rest has been not icing on the cake but flower icing on the icing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: M's Secretaries - Shannon's Story
Quite a recollection, Rick. Thanks for sourcing this. I have a few questions at the bottom. Rick Archer posted Shannon Dickson's words: My feeling on seeing how things devolved from 1972 through 1975 is that MMY had gone through a kind of mini-breakdown, possibly from the combination of the demands of having to recreate the juice for the movement every few years along with the financial challenges, the shock from the Jennifer thing, as well as the trouble around Shantinand in India... who knows what was going through his mind? Certainly, he was in charge of his faculties and it seemed more along the lines of a bit of dark night of the soul period for him, while the new inwardly focused movement was concocted with the Siddhis at the pinnacle along with the focus on locking in the TB's loyalty through a combination of engendering a feeling of specialness (including taking over their very own town!) and being on a chosen mission to save the world reinforced with the fear of being ostracized and screwed karmically if one didn't toe the party line; typical classic cult indoctrination, even if it was more subtlety and deftly handled in the TM example during those days, compared with other cults. What was the trouble around Shantinand in India? Who are the TB's? I would say true believers, but I don't get how that meaning works with taking over their very own town. It would be vastly entertaining for me to read a lucid account of how the period before the mid-1970's differed from the period after. Shannon talks about it a little, but I'd welcome some elaboration. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
On May 2, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: but is it also your experience that the TM-Siddhi program created vasanas, rather than eliminated them? If yes, how could you tell? Thanks. Hi Patrick: One tell tale sign is 'are the kleshas dissolving'--is your mind-stream less afflicted? Esp. negative emotions, are they still there or are they diminished or are they getting worse? The short answer is you observe yourself. If we're not taught how to observe ourselves, we won't normally do this. What would you look for? Not just enhancement of your already existing good qualities, good habits and good disposition but the actual root of the negative vasanas (as there are desirable ones and undesirable ones). The true problem is that negative vasanas by there very nature will cause one to stop looking for causes and effects regarding them (!) often because of a particular bhava or mood or feeling-tone. This is the reason correct sadhana and View are essential. My strong experience was that the siddhi program produced these feeling-tones. This is the very mask of the vasanas. These feeling tones can mask as pleasurable feeling-tones. Then reattachment begins at a subtle level. Once I had some recognition of this, a sense of deep suffering would immediately arise, then evaporate. There was a recognition that samsara was being created and observed, thus this deep sense of suffering at the instant of recognition. Later there was the simultaneous arising of loathing for all of samsara. At that instant (of recognition of loathing of samsara) then and there I lost any desire to perform the siddhis ever again. Vasana comes from the root vas which means to dwell, reside, stay, and exist, be found in; and to scent, perfume, incense, fumigate, make fragrant, to steep, infuse, and to spice, season. This describes the precise quality of the vasanas--an infused feeling-tone which permeates ones beings and you grab at it--you love the smell, the feel and the feeling and totally miss what lies beneath. We end up mistaking karmic deodorant for vasanas. Since positive vasanas feel even better, they can be mis-discriminated as bliss IMO. Some people seem to experience this as the siddhis just not making them feel well. -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: M's Secretaries - Shannon's Story
on 5/2/05 8:28 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the trouble around Shantinand in India? The Shankaracharya controversy. The conflict between the guy M supported and the other guy whom the other Shankaracharyas supported. Who are the TB's? I would say true believers, but I don't get how that meaning works with taking over their very own town. I guess he means Fairfield. It would be vastly entertaining for me to read a lucid account of how the period before the mid-1970's differed from the period after. Shannon talks about it a little, but I'd welcome some elaboration. He's thinking of writing a book. David Fiske offers some interesting perspectives, having been around for most of the 60's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no difference other than on the level of personality. We just have a lot of concepts regarding who can and who can not be awake. -Peter Sure, and when one realizes this in themself also then of what use are those others? They become rather comedic. Now what would a dope smoking, alcohol swilling, onion munching chef from New Orleans know about enlightenment? ;-) -Peter __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT
Wonderful post. Been there, done that, still doing.have a great day! -Peter --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Commentary from an old TM teacher on the new TM. BURGERDAMMERUNG: TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT, or Do you want fries with that enlightenment? Those who have been waiting with 'bated breath to hear the official definition of an Ideal Vedic Society from Maharishi need wait no more; the verdict is in. The Ideal Vedic Society is a Burger King franchise operation in drag. As we speak, several dozen devout TM teachers and TM pracitioners are in residence at MUM learning the details of this spiritual fast-food operation, and details of its organizational structure are beginning to filter back to this and other forums. The old TM structure is gone, kaput. Long live the new structure. The old TM teachers have been obsoleted. Long live the kings and queens of the new order. There are even loyalty oaths to sign before you can become privy to the details of this new Ideal Society, much less become a part of it. And this new Ideal Structure has all the earmarks of New Coke, that is, if the Coca-Cola Corporation had, at the time they brought out *their* monumental marketing failure, declared that: * All existing Coca-Cola distributorships are null and void. * All existing distributors must be re-certified, at their own considerable cost. * The existing distributors are the ones to be blamed for the low sales figures. * No existing distributor has the right to sell New Coke or Classic Coke. * NO ONE has the right to sell Coke, period, unless it's sold from one of the approved outlets. The new structure is basically a fast-food franchise operation, but one seemingly conceived in a nuthouse. Within four or five days of the completion of the New TM course, prospective franchisees must find adequate premises in shopping malls, office buildings or motels and set up shop. They must find 9 employees who are willing to work for $15 an hour or less, and who must be willing to pay $2500 for the uniform required for their job -- instruction in the basic TM technique. (Do the math. This ain't gonna work. A massage therapist would have to work 167 hours just to BREAK EVEN after paying for the uniform. Not to *mention* the requirement that they have to raise 3 million bucks each within a very short time.) It doesn't stop there. The whole franchise operation is run by Rajas who are required to dress up in long, flowing robes and (appropriately enough) wear gold Burger King crowns. These royal overseers are *required* to spend seven hours a day doing program, so it's not as if they're gonna get their hands dirty a lot. And the absolute kicker is that male Rajas can instruct or check only males, and female Rajas (or is that Rajinis) can instruct only females. As a marketing plan, it simply defies the imagination -- imagine going into a Burger King and being told that the guy behind the counter can take your order because you're male, but your wife or girlfriend is going to have to wait for a female employee to wait on them. It's official -- the TM organization has lost its mind. So where does that leave YOU, as a still-loyal TM teacher or rank-and-file TMer? Well, in my opinion, that leaves you in a pretty enviable place -- spiritual crisis. As TM teachers, you have been rendered obsolete. You have been told that you can no longer teach TM, the thing that you made tremendous sacrifices to be able to do. Furthermore, as TM teachers you are being specifically BLAMED for the obvious fact that TM has not saved the world as it was supposed to do. The person blaming you is the same person who has thought up this amazing boondoggle of a franchise operation, and the blame is obviously coming from the same place the marketing plan did -- senile dementia. It's going to inspire some moments of spiritual crisis in the most devoted of followers, and I for one think that's a good thing. A lot of seekers don't *like* moments of spiritual crisis. They actively hide from them behind the safety of blind faith. Personally, I think that blind faith is a kind of spiritual holding pattern, in which seekers dwell for months or years or even decades to keep themselves from ever having to deal with the R word -- reality. Well, reality has hit the fan big-time in the TM movement, folks, and pretty much everyone except the few dozen faithful at MUM is going to have to finally deal with it. The *ways* that people will deal with it are all too familiar: * Some are going to persevere in blind faith and assume that Maharishi sees better than they do. * Some of these are going to go into Inquisition Mode and declare everyone who doesn't immediately log on to the New TM idea Off The Program. * Some will declare anyone who even expresses doubts about the New TM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 11:41 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY is a great saint, but even if you don't think so, you should recall what MMY said when people complained about the behavior of TM teachers: Even a sick man can open a health food store. TM is a mechanical technique that does require any particular qualities of heart and mind on the part of the practitioner or the teacher (maybe a TM teacher would have to have an IQ of 60 or above, that's necessary for memorizing the checking notes, unless they were also autistic, in which case great feats of memorization are possible). A TM teacher memorizes a few simple instructions, and imparts them. That is the beauty of TM, the mechanical means to enlightenment, the only type available to people when they live at a low level of life. Questions about personal characteristics of anybody imparting a mechanical technique are a smoke screen for ignorant people who are uncomfortable with values of enlightenment. This is a key point. Whatever mistakes M may have made in his personal or managerial life don't invalidate the benefits of TM. Conversely, the effectiveness of TM doesn't necessarily imply that M is faultless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/2/05 6:43 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to say that everyone has to become disillusioned with his guru in order to graduate. Maharishi certainly didn't. Do we know this to be true...? :-D No. it just appears to be. It is more likely that he is disillusioned with himself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] BURGERDAMMERUNG: TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT
Brilliant. Is Barry the one who posted this? Bravo! on 5/2/05 7:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BURGERDAMMERUNG: TWILIGHT OF THE TRANSCENDENT, or Do you want fries with that enlightenment? Those who have been waiting with 'bated breath to hear the official definition of an Ideal Vedic Society from Maharishi need wait no more; the verdict is in. The Ideal Vedic Society is a Burger King franchise operation in drag. As we speak, several dozen devout TM teachers and TM pracitioners are in residence at MUM learning the details of this spiritual fast- food operation, and details of its organizational structure are beginning to filter back to this and other forums. The old TM structure is gone, kaput. Long live the new structure. The old TM teachers have been obsoleted. Long live the kings and queens of the new order. There are even loyalty oaths to sign before you can become privy to the details of this new Ideal Society, much less become a part of it. And this new Ideal Structure has all the earmarks of New Coke, that is, if the Coca-Cola Corporation had, at the time they brought out *their* monumental marketing failure, declared that: * All existing Coca-Cola distributorships are null and void. * All existing distributors must be re-certified, at their own considerable cost. * The existing distributors are the ones to be blamed for the low sales figures. * No existing distributor has the right to sell New Coke or Classic Coke. * NO ONE has the right to sell Coke, period, unless it's sold from one of the approved outlets. The new structure is basically a fast-food franchise operation, but one seemingly conceived in a nuthouse. Within four or five days of the completion of the New TM course, prospective franchisees must find adequate premises in shopping malls, office buildings or motels and set up shop. They must find 9 employees who are willing to work for $15 an hour or less, and who must be willing to pay $2500 for the uniform required for their job -- instruction in the basic TM technique. (Do the math. This ain't gonna work. A massage therapist would have to work 167 hours just to BREAK EVEN after paying for the uniform. Not to *mention* the requirement that they have to raise 3 million bucks each within a very short time.) It doesn't stop there. The whole franchise operation is run by Rajas who are required to dress up in long, flowing robes and (appropriately enough) wear gold Burger King crowns. These royal overseers are *required* to spend seven hours a day doing program, so it's not as if they're gonna get their hands dirty a lot. And the absolute kicker is that male Rajas can instruct or check only males, and female Rajas (or is that Rajinis) can instruct only females. As a marketing plan, it simply defies the imagination -- imagine going into a Burger King and being told that the guy behind the counter can take your order because you're male, but your wife or girlfriend is going to have to wait for a female employee to wait on them. It's official -- the TM organization has lost its mind. So where does that leave YOU, as a still-loyal TM teacher or rank- and-file TMer? Well, in my opinion, that leaves you in a pretty enviable place -- spiritual crisis. As TM teachers, you have been rendered obsolete. You have been told that you can no longer teach TM, the thing that you made tremendous sacrifices to be able to do. Furthermore, as TM teachers you are being specifically BLAMED for the obvious fact that TM has not saved the world as it was supposed to do. The person blaming you is the same person who has thought up this amazing boondoggle of a franchise operation, and the blame is obviously coming from the same place the marketing plan did -- senile dementia. It's going to inspire some moments of spiritual crisis in the most devoted of followers, and I for one think that's a good thing. A lot of seekers don't *like* moments of spiritual crisis. They actively hide from them behind the safety of blind faith. Personally, I think that blind faith is a kind of spiritual holding pattern, in which seekers dwell for months or years or even decades to keep themselves from ever having to deal with the R word -- reality. Well, reality has hit the fan big-time in the TM movement, folks, and pretty much everyone except the few dozen faithful at MUM is going to have to finally deal with it. The *ways* that people will deal with it are all too familiar: * Some are going to persevere in blind faith and assume that Maharishi sees better than they do. * Some of these are going to go into Inquisition Mode and declare everyone who doesn't immediately log on to the New TM idea Off The Program. * Some will declare anyone who even expresses doubts about the New TM heretics. * Some will begin to entertain doubts not only about the senile old man who thought this hare-brained
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/2/05 7:49 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand it's said that the guru is a mold for the mind and so it's very important to choose the right mold because if not then the mind becomes imprinted and one starts making that type of karma, which will have far reaching consequences. The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. Kirk, are you still abstaining from grass? I think your posts have been much more clear and insightful lately. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/2/05 6:43 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. it just appears to be. It is more likely that he is disillusioned with himself. Ah, you think he sees a difference? So I guess maybe you do too? Sounds interesting; I almost wish I could :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/2/05 10:32 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/2/05 6:43 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. it just appears to be. It is more likely that he is disillusioned with himself. Ah, you think he sees a difference? So I guess maybe you do too? Sounds interesting; I almost wish I could :-) Do you think he saw a difference between himself and Jennifer, or Judith? Maybe not. I really don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/2/05 10:32 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think he saw a difference between himself and Jennifer, or Judith? Maybe not. I really don't know. Yeah me neither, I am not paid to think; only to not know :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/2/05 10:46 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/2/05 10:32 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think he saw a difference between himself and Jennifer, or Judith? Maybe not. I really don't know. Yeah me neither, I am not paid to think; only to not know :-) Hey, who's paying you? Can I get in on that gig? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/2/05 10:46 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah me neither, I am not paid to think; only to not know :-) Hey, who's paying you? Can I get in on that gig? *lol* You just did. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Bob Brigante wrote: snip This possibility that the TM movement will not be successful in my lifetime is not disillusioning -- because the cycle of epochs of high and low consciousness are natural phenomena, just like the sun being seen in various positions in the sky and not at all -- and there's no possibility of disillusionment with MMY, because I am completely satisfied with my practice of TM and the Vedic wisdom that he has restated, and because I understand the difficulty of promoting enlightenment in a world that is in the grip of darkness. Sooner or later, everybody gets tired of the suffering attendant on not living one's natural state of bliss consciousness, and seeks enlightenment, so there is no reason to get disillusioned with anything -- people have complete freedom of action, and they choose at what level of life they want to live. When they get tired of the low-life, and they will, they will seek that which is of real value, bliss consciousness, maybe now or maybe 1000 centuries from now. Very well said! Don To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Now what would a dope smoking, alcohol swilling, onionmunching chef from New Orleans know aboutenlightenment? ;-)-Peter---I know that I can make you savour the six tastes more than your average movement syncophanticook. But you're right, I would probably just add to your vasanas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: M's Secretaries - Shannon's Story
He's thinking of writing a book. David Fiske offers some interestingperspectives, having been around for most of the 60's.---If you can get past the preachy self righteous priggishness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
This is a key point. Whatever mistakes M may have made in his personal ormanagerial life don't invalidate the benefits of TM. Conversely, theeffectiveness of TM doesn't necessarily imply that M is faultless.---I think we could all forgive Maharishi any sort of wrong except that what we really don't much like is the hubris. If he was humble in the slightest that weakness would be near and dear. How often do gurus apologize for their shortcomings? Same as for American presidents. Tthat tact was taken however by the most cherished of all presidents - Kennedy - and it earned him great kudos in popularity. But only the truely great are so sure of themselves that they can afford to be seen as human without losing self respect. Or so humble as to take the chance on the people that they are supposedly serving. To be trusted one must trust. Otherwise who is one fooling really? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. heheh. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/2/05 7:49 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand it's said that the guru is a mold for the mind and so it's very important to choose the right mold because if not then the mind becomes imprinted and one starts making that type of karma, which will have far reaching consequences. The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. Kirk, are you still abstaining from grass? I think your posts have been much more clear and insightful lately. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now what would a dope smoking, alcohol swilling, onion munching chef from New Orleans know about enlightenment? ;-) -Peter ---I know that I can make you savour the six tastes more than your average movement syncophanticook. But you're right, I would probably just add to your vasanas. Oh, I don't think so RJ.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/2/05 11:22 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. Heheh No, they are. I mean it. I think abstinence is good for you. I remember about a year ago you were on mushrooms one day and it was a pretty wild ride for us all. Couldnt figure out what the hell you were talking about. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: M's Secretaries - Shannon's Story
Patrick Gillam wrote: It would be vastly entertaining for me to read a lucid account of how the period before the mid-1970's differed from the period after. Shannon talks about it a little, but I'd welcome some elaboration. Rick Archer wrote: [Shannon is] thinking of writing a book. David Fiske offers some interesting perspectives, having been around for most of the 60's. Perhaps that mid-70s transition is grist for Geoff Gilpin's mill. One thing I've noticed in my readings is that different people set different dates for the end of the golden times with Maharishi. In _Call No Man Master_, Joyce Collin- Smith says the good times ended when the Beatles generation came on the scene in the late '60s. Here Shannon Dickson says it ended with the TM-Siddhis. Some people say it went south with some '80s-era price rise; others say the end was marked by the introduction of sthapatya-ved in the '90s. Because so many people end the golden era at different times, I once tended to view the disaffections as having more to do with the people than the movement. Now I'm inclined to see those people as having different degrees of clarity in their perception. Those who bailed earlier may have seen more clearly. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/2/05 11:22 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. Heheh No, they are. I mean it. I think abstinence is good for you. I remember about a year ago you were on mushrooms one day and it was a pretty wild ride for us all. Couldn¹t figure out what the hell you were talking about. RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using. did you make it up or such thing exist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: M's Secretaries - Shannon's Story
on 5/2/05 11:33 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because so many people end the golden era at different times, I once tended to view the disaffections as having more to do with the people than the movement. Now I'm inclined to see those people as having different degrees of clarity in their perception. Those who bailed earlier may have seen more clearly. I think it's a matter of relative experience. Most of us didn't get into it until after the Beatles. So it seemed great to us, but we had nothing to compare it with, as did those who started in the early 60's. Those who came in with the Merv wave probably thought things were pretty cool, but they had gone downhill considerably since Mallorca/Fuiggi, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: M's Secretaries - Shannon's Story
On May 2, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I think it's a matter of relative experience. Most of us didn't get into it until after the Beatles. So it seemed great to us, but we had nothing to compare it with, as did those who started in the early 60's. Those who came in with the Merv wave probably thought things were pretty cool, but they had gone downhill considerably since Mallorca/Fuiggi, etc. I wonder what Guru Dev people thought of the early TM days? It's all relative. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. Heheh No, they are. I mean it. I think abstinence is good for you. I remember about a year ago you were on mushrooms one day and it was a pretty wild ride for us all. Couldnt figure out what the hell you were talking about. ---Really? Is the post still there? I would be curious to reread it. Thanks for noting the difference. I feel better finally. The first days had cravings but as of today I'm ok. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using.did you make it up or such thing exist?---Not sure I get your meaning. I write. Because it feels good and as most of the arts they come out of the poor trying to lift up the mud and give it shape. Emulating Promethius I guess. Thanks. I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. Never thought about the crushing of hope - very interesting angle. And the notion of 'control' points out the high strangeness that is felt when the witness is clear and all else seems to go on just as it did before - zits and all. (But there isn't so much anger at the car!) (VBG) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
oh ok, I see now. for the records the other day someone noted that you write in a tantric style, but I guess it was just a tease on his part. anyway I thought that such style really exists and that I'm not familiar with it, I believed it to be some non-linear writing and it was interesting to someone who is spiritually challenged as I am. anyway this is where my comment came from, and Thanks for clearing it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using. did you make it up or such thing exist? ---Not sure I get your meaning. I write. Because it feels good and as most of the arts they come out of the poor trying to lift up the mud and give it shape. Emulating Promethius I guess. Thanks. I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a key point. Whatever mistakes M may have made in his personal or managerial life don't invalidate the benefits of TM. Conversely, the effectiveness of TM doesn't necessarily imply that M is faultless. ---I think we could all forgive Maharishi any sort of wrong except that what we really don't much like is the hubris. If he was humble in the slightest that weakness would be near and dear. How often do gurus apologize for their shortcomings? Same as for American presidents. Tthat tact was taken however by the most cherished of all presidents - Kennedy - and it earned him great kudos in popularity. But only the truely great are so sure of themselves that they can afford to be seen as human without losing self respect. Or so humble as to take the chance on the people that they are supposedly serving. To be trusted one must trust. Otherwise who is one fooling really? I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. I thought that it was important not to use other peoples ignorance or lack of knowledge against them. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
Subtle stuff -- subtler than I can claim! Comments and questions below. Vaj wrote: There was a recognition that samsara was being created and observed, thus this deep sense of suffering at the instant of recognition. Later there was the simultaneous arising of loathing for all of samsara. At that instant (of recognition of loathing of samsara) then and there I lost any desire to perform the siddhis ever again. If you would, Vaj, talk more about this loathing of samsara. For example, did it help free you of samsara's charm, thus contribute to liberation? I'm tempted to conclude that the sidhis helped in this process, but you're saying the sidhis mask that loathing with some charming feeling, right? If I understand you, you inquired beneath the charm, as it were, to the source, and found it foul, and that inquiry was never part of the sidhis instruction. Vasana comes from the root vas which means to dwell, reside, stay, and exist, be found in; and to scent, perfume, incense, fumigate, make fragrant, to steep, infuse, and to spice, season. The passage above reminded me of the tendency to refer to the rasas or flavors of the sutras. This describes the precise quality of the vasanas--an infused feeling-tone which permeates ones beings and you grab at it--you love the smell, the feel and the feeling and totally miss what lies beneath. But the experience reported by others on this list recently is of having that which lies beneath -- the silence -- pulled into activity. Far from missing what lies beneath, for us the sidhis reveal it. So I'm getting a disconnect. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
JohnY wrote: I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. Please elaborate; I don't see how devotional impulses in TM teachers have been used against them. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
On May 2, 2005, at 1:17 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: There was a recognition that samsara was being created and observed, thus this deep sense of suffering at the instant of recognition. Later there was the simultaneous arising of loathing for all of samsara. At that instant (of recognition of loathing of samsara) then and there I lost any desire to perform the siddhis ever again. If you would, Vaj, talk more about this loathing of samsara. For example, did it help free you of samsara's charm, thus contribute to liberation? It was an impetus to relinquish samsara and to leave samsara. Once it was recognized, there was no choice. I'm tempted to conclude that the sidhis helped in this process, but you're saying the sidhis mask that loathing with some charming feeling, right? No. The feeling-tone of a siddhi (or any experience of subject separate from object) is the same as the mask of a vasana--only in this case you are intentionally creating it. But the experience reported by others on this list recently is of having that which lies beneath -- the silence -- pulled into activity. Far from missing what lies beneath, for us the sidhis reveal it. So I'm getting a disconnect. It's easy to condition ourselves. How many times have we heard that this is the goal: silence in activity--CC, etc. We were conditioned to believe that from the start. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. When the ego wants a way to describe it, the natural choice is...? Will it admit failure or grab what it likes? Of course it grabs that it's something Great. Of course the other side-effect of consciousness moving inside itself, is that it awakens shakti. So you have that too. Help or hindrance for this new ego? Is it such a surprise that we have been told this precise same scenario--in a number of different ways and then ego fills in the blank? The sad thing is, so few will look outside the TMO for perspective. Therein lies great danger. Blind trust can only lead to blindness in this case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JohnY wrote: I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. Please elaborate; I don't see how devotional impulses in TM teachers have been used against them. Thanks. Sure - On the surface: The Recert Courses (last squeeze for $$ among the only folks that will still give...) Rick's recounting of the Spanish judge and the suitcase of cash. All the property schemes - rev 'em up to buy property, buying based on promise of support, let 'em sink, take over property - sell - profit! All the fundraising: Zimmerman, Kaplan et al. $$ for world peace in whatever flavor, plan flops, money goes elsewhere Pundits, yagyas, vibration, NRI remote pandits - gee it all falls under using one's ignorance against them. (not to mention the women...) I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
I recall Maharishi saying at some point that he could enlighten one person very quickly or the entire world with some time, more slowly. Given that the conventional arrangement on Earth is to have space- time locality with one's Master in order to evolve quickly, and given that Maharishi can only meet with a finite group at any one time, and given that he has a lot to do, his time with any one follower will be limited. So... It appears from my semi-rediculous perspective that Maharishi has set the bar very, very high for his followers, given the time he has with each of them (according to the above convention). Imagine if you will being in a car, traveling along. Suddenly the car stops, for exactly one minute. You get out. At the same time another car stops. Out pops Maharishi, for exactly one minute. You say, What can I do Master to gain my Enlightenment?. He provides you with the most concentrated directions he can give you in 60 seconds to achieve that. You immediately think, That's impossible! But he is my Guru so I will try to achieve this task... Given your and the world's state of consciousness you will probably fail this immediate task. MMY, that [EMAIL PROTECTED]!! blankety-blank!, you think. However eventually after failing once or several times, you are actually accomplishing the following: 1. Burning up karma, by following the Master, 2. Bringing Light into the darkeness, personally and globally, 3. Becoming acutely aware of your weaknesses, 4. Practicing spiritual integration; evaluating Maharishi's way in terms of your own, and 5. Learning what true devotion to one's Master is. So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an encouragement to evolve maximally. Jai Guru Dev, (which reminds me of a great joke which was performed by a Governor immediately following TM, or Siddhis, I forget which...Anyway, we would be silently concluding program and this fellow would sometimes say, as we anticipated the devotional and pious Jai Guru Dev, Jai...Edgar Hoover Please excuse me, but it was hilarious!) Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. I thought that it was important not to use other peoples ignorance or lack of knowledge against them. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
I consider myself a tantric. That to me means that I take no prisoners of my ignorance. It's kill or be killed. I consider myself a 'stream enterer' which is to say that having had the glimpse of the direction I feel I know the way. I need noone to tell me anything more. That doesn't mean I'm 'enlightened' per se, but just that I know beyond doubt what 'it' is. That's fairly useless info for you. But very useful for me, as I have seen all my goals change. It also means that my words are compelling if often senseless. Because I say the same thing over and over and over, but just in different ways. Simply, it's all God, it's all divine, there's no yesterday was this, and tomorrow is that. It all simply is, perfect. Of course, not being fully awake this comes and goes. But being a tantric I can make out the light even in the dark, the perfect even in the imperfect, I can find the Goddess literally within my mate during sex, and also within myself. It means I am Shiva even when I take a shit. It means I can say I am Mahakali and not feel wrong about it, because you are Shiva and Mahakali too. I see no contradictions anywhere, because real contradictions destroy each other and cease. I also see that this wont change tomorrow or the next day, because my mind has been permanently ruined beyond repair, and neither jail, nor torture nor the psyche ward could change that reality for me. BecauseI burned all my bridges to there and then and there's no return to some other place of 'normality.' There's nowhere to go for me but more here. As awakening grows I find it more incredible that people still run around pursuing the most nefarious ends. If it would stop war I would offer my head in a second. In fact I would relish the chance to make such a change.It's not humility but understanding. The understanding that no matter where you are there you are. If one had to wait to be divine then in the present human state such a reality could never come about because people like to pick their noses, they like to eat meat, they like to fondle little kids weenies. People are fucked up.Luckily no such things really matter for the divine, because it's all divine. No. Such things only matter for the lords of karma. One hopes that when the mirror of god is face to face with one then they won't be squeezing little kids weenies.Because awakening while in themidst of negativity can be very hellish. Yes,the more awareness brought to hellish conditions the more hellish they feel. Best to clear out the hells first. But if they can't be cleared then intention to do so is very important. Lack intention to help and you sink. That's really bad if you're awakened. The worst thing imaginable would be to be fully realized and then sink to the bottom. That can only happen through lack of intention to benefit. The only chance to make things better comes from realization that we are here because we are on the level. Waiting for someone someday to come and save one is foolish, or so said Buddha, who I respect and admire. He died because he didn't want to hurt the feelings of the man who had only rotten pork stew to give him. He ate it, and buried the rest so others wouldn't, and a week later he died. In other lives he gave his arm to a starving tiger, and once killed some robbers to save them from killing a boat load of people, thus saving them from their own evil nature and saving the others from that evil nature. The intention to benefit is what there is. Chagdud Tulku said, that Atisha said, that of the Buddha's 84,000 methods for acheiving the transition from ordinary to extraordinary mind that they come down to the essential point of good heartedness. Now some people just don't have that - the Jeffrey Dahmers of the world. But that neededn't change our hearts. Before desiring liberation one should desire a good heart. If that's there then all else will follow, because the divine is already. Now grab a mirror and do your beard or hair, because there is nothing to fear, and you're already here. If this is a style then let it be called a tantric style. I thank whoever coined that phrase. I dedicate it all to better days. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi oh ok, I see now.for the records the other day someone noted that you write in a tantric style, but I guess it was just a tease on his part. anyway I thought that such style really exists and that I'm not familiar with it, I believed it to be some non-linear writing and it was interesting to someone who is spiritually challenged as I am.anyway this is where my comment came from, and Thanks for clearing it.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
To your point Alex, I recall Maharishi discussing how impressions on the nervous system (and subsequent attachment) are made as consciousness grows more refined: initially rock scratching rock, leaving a deep hard impression taking some time to erode, gives way to stick through sand, leaving a deep impression that is more easily eroded, gives way to stick through water, transient impression, almost instant 'erosion'. Gotta love it. Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just have a lot of concepts regarding who can and who can not be awake. Rigidly defined dogmas of non-duality, wielded relentlessly on FFL in order to create neat'n'tidy divisions. Gotta love it. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall Maharishi saying at some point that he could enlighten one person very quickly or the entire world with some time, more slowly. Given that the conventional arrangement on Earth is to have space- time locality with one's Master in order to evolve quickly, and given that Maharishi can only meet with a finite group at any one time, and given that he has a lot to do, his time with any one follower will be limited. So... It appears from my semi-rediculous perspective that Maharishi has set the bar very, very high for his followers, given the time he has with each of them (according to the above convention). Imagine if you will being in a car, traveling along. Suddenly the car stops, for exactly one minute. You get out. At the same time another car stops. Out pops Maharishi, for exactly one minute. You say, What can I do Master to gain my Enlightenment?. He provides you with the most concentrated directions he can give you in 60 seconds to achieve that. You immediately think, That's impossible! But he is my Guru so I will try to achieve this task... Given your and the world's state of consciousness you will probably fail this immediate task. MMY, that [EMAIL PROTECTED]!! blankety-blank!, you think. However eventually after failing once or several times, you are actually accomplishing the following: 1. Burning up karma, by following the Master, 2. Bringing Light into the darkeness, personally and globally, 3. Becoming acutely aware of your weaknesses, 4. Practicing spiritual integration; evaluating Maharishi's way in terms of your own, and 5. Learning what true devotion to one's Master is. So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an encouragement to evolve maximally. Jai Guru Dev, (which reminds me of a great joke which was performed by a Governor immediately following TM, or Siddhis, I forget which...Anyway, we would be silently concluding program and this fellow would sometimes say, as we anticipated the devotional and pious Jai Guru Dev, Jai...Edgar Hoover Please excuse me, but it was hilarious!) Jim I don't know, Jim. It sounds like a very complicated way to excuse bad behavior to me. Could be true but is certainly in the 'unfathomable' catagory. JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. I thought that it was important not to use other peoples ignorance or lack of knowledge against them. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On May 2, 2005, at 2:12 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: big merciless clip So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an encouragement to evolve maximally. sigh Time for a TMO 12-step group guys (if one hasn't already been created). I gotta tell you, that last post scared me. Don't drink the cool aid! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Yeah, got it. This is just what I personally went through and observed when considering whether to become a TM teacher or not. I chose not to, seeing early on that I couldn't exist comfortably in the TMO for very long. For those apparently understanding Maharishi and divining his thinking on a cosmic level, perhaps it all looks different. I must admit I have never completely understood him. Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 2, 2005, at 2:12 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: big merciless clip So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an encouragement to evolve maximally. sigh Time for a TMO 12-step group guys (if one hasn't already been created). I gotta tell you, that last post scared me. Don't drink the cool aid! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sad thing is, so few will look outside the TMO for perspective. Therein lies great danger. Blind trust can only lead to blindness in this case. How is your own attachment and identification with a new set of codified dogmas any less blind? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on TM-Sidhi, money-making and pseudo-Patanjali
On May 2, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: How is your own attachment and identification with a new set of codified dogmas any less blind? I go with my experience. You don't have to agree with it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? http://www.guidestar.org/ Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Hey, I thought you were in Scotland. on 5/2/05 1:55 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sanyama and Effective Transcendent Prayer
Effective Prayer is the process of embodying the divine and becoming it's expression The technique of Sanyama can be used to accomplish this Meditation is the process of bringing the attention inward to stillness, inner silence, pure bliss consciousness, the witness state, samadhi. All of these describe aspects of the same thing. We have a particular meditation procedure that we do for set amount of time twice daily. It works like clockwork and, over time, as we meditate each day and then go out and be active, our nervous system becomes naturally accustomed to sustaining and radiating inner silence. Our daily life then becomes calmer from the inside. We are less overwhelmed by external events. This is the rise of the first stage of enlightenment, which is inner silence present in our life twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Once we have some inner silence, even just a little, we have the opportunity to begin to operate from that level of infinite potential in us. All that exists is manifested from that, and we, being that, are capable of manifesting from that infinite reservoir of life within us. So, with our toe in the infinite, we can begin to move from there for the benefit our transformation to enlightenment. It is simple to do. You will recall that in meditation we use the thought of a sound with no meaning, the mantra, to systematically allow the mind to go to stillness. It is in letting go of any meaning, language or intellectual content, and just easily picking up the thought of the mantra, that is able to dive deep into pure bliss consciousness. The nervous system also goes to silence with the mind, and our metabolism slows way down. With samyama, we begin to go the other way. After our meditation time is up, we rest for a minute or two and we transition into samyama. We begin with an easy state of not thinking, just resting in our silence. If thoughts are coming, we just let them go without entertaining them. In samyama practice we do not entertain the mantra either. We start by not favoring anything but being easy in our silence, however much silence we have from our just completed meditation session, and naturally present in us from our months or years of daily meditation. This is the starting point for samyama -- silence. The only prerequisite for doing samyama practice is having some inner silence. For most people this is after a few months of daily deep meditation, as covered in the early lessons. Now we are ready to begin samyama practice. Here is how we do it. With samyama, we are initiating meaning in silence. We do it in a simple, easy, systematic way. First we create an impulse of meaning in silence, and then we let it go in silence. Let's begin with the Name of God. It is a good place to start with samyama. In samyama it is suggested you use your most intimate language, the language that goes deepest in your heart, whatever it may be. In your easy silence, pick up, just once, the fuzziest feeling of the Name of God. Don't deliberately make a clear pronunciation, or mental images of this or that scene or situation that represent the Name of God. Just have a faint remembrance of the Name of God, and then let go into your silence, the easy silence you are in as you pick up the faint meaning of the Name of God. Don't contemplate the Name of God or analyze it during samyama. Don't think about it at all. Just come to it once in a faint, subtle way, and then let go into silence. It is a subtle feeling of the Name we are coming to, nothing more, and letting it go. Like that. Having thought the Name once, be in silence for about fifteen seconds. If any thoughts come, let them go easily. Don't look at the clock. With a little practice your inner clock will tell you with good enough accuracy when fifteen seconds is up. Just be easy in silence for about a quarter of a minute. Then pick up the faint, fuzzy meaning of the Name again, and let it go again into your silence for about fifteen seconds again. This for example is two repetitions of samyama twice picking up the Name at its subtlest level of thought, and letting it go into inner silence. What is the effect of this? What will happen? To the extent we are picking up meaning on the border of inner silence (the subtlest level of thought), and then letting go easily into our silence, the effect will be very powerful. Inner silence is a huge amplifier of subtle thought. Inner silence is the only amplifier of thought. It is the source of thought. Usually our thoughts come out of silence stimulated by all that is lodged in our subconscious mind. So many habitual patterns are lodged in our obstructed subconscious mind, and these are what distort and weaken the flow of divine energy coming out from inner silence into our everyday life. With meditation we are clearing out the obstructions in the subconscious mind and developing a clear awareness of our inner silence. With samyama we are acting directly within our inner silence
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I thought you were in Scotland. Just about to leave. gonna install myself as raja. no wimpy beige robes, fake gold crowns and pathetic new age mall stores -- I'm plan on being in full braveheart get up with plans to reenliven natural law via soma pubs featuring sexy wenches serving only the finest single malts. hoping rudrajoe will come over and handle the grub. on 5/2/05 1:55 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sanyama and Effective Transcendent Prayer
Sounds like Billy Smith - Original Message - From: johnlasher20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sanyama and Effective Transcendent Prayer Effective Prayer is the process of embodying the divine and becomingit's _expression_ The technique of Sanyama can be used to accomplish thisMeditation is the process of bringing the attention inward tostillness, inner silence, pure bliss consciousness, the witness state,samadhi. All of these describe aspects of the same thing. We have aparticular meditation procedure that we do for set amount of timetwice daily. It works like clockwork and, over time, as we meditateeach day and then go out and be active, our nervous system becomesnaturally accustomed to sustaining and radiating inner silence. Ourdaily life then becomes calmer from the inside. We are lessoverwhelmed by external events. This is the rise of the first stage ofenlightenment, which is inner silence present in our life twenty-fourhours a day, seven days a week. Once we have some inner silence, even just a little, we have theopportunity to begin to operate from that level of infinite potentialin us. All that exists is manifested from that, and we, being that,are capable of manifesting from that infinite reservoir of life withinus. So, with our toe in the infinite, we can begin to move from therefor the benefit our transformation to enlightenment. It is simple todo. You will recall that in meditation we use the thought of a soundwith no meaning, the mantra, to systematically allow the mind to go tostillness. It is in letting go of any meaning, language orintellectual content, and just easily picking up the thought of themantra, that is able to dive deep into pure bliss consciousness. Thenervous system also goes to silence with the mind, and our metabolismslows way down. With samyama, we begin to go the other way. After our meditation timeis up, we rest for a minute or two and we transition into samyama. Webegin with an easy state of not thinking, just resting in our silence.If thoughts are coming, we just let them go without entertaining them.In samyama practice we do not entertain the mantra either. We start bynot favoring anything but being easy in our silence, however muchsilence we have from our just completed meditation session, andnaturally present in us from our months or years of daily meditation.This is the starting point for samyama -- silence. The onlyprerequisite for doing samyama practice is having some inner silence.For most people this is after a few months of daily deep meditation,as covered in the early lessons. Now we are ready to begin samyamapractice. Here is how we do it.With samyama, we are initiating meaning in silence. We do it in asimple, easy, systematic way. First we create an impulse of meaning insilence, and then we let it go in silence. Let's begin with the Name of God. It is a good place to start withsamyama. In samyama it is suggested you use your most intimatelanguage, the language that goes deepest in your heart, whatever itmay be. In your easy silence, pick up, just once, the fuzziest feeling of theName of God. Don't deliberately make a clear pronunciation, or mentalimages of this or that scene or situation that represent the Name ofGod. Just have a faint remembrance of the Name of God, and then let gointo your silence, the easy silence you are in as you pick up thefaint meaning of the Name of God. Don't contemplate the Name of God oranalyze it during samyama. Don't think about it at all. Just come toit once in a faint, subtle way, and then let go into silence. It is asubtle feeling of the Name we are coming to, nothing more, and lettingit go. Like that.Having thought "the Name" once, be in silence for about fifteenseconds. If any thoughts come, let them go easily. Don't look at theclock. With a little practice your inner clock will tell you with goodenough accuracy when fifteen seconds is up. Just be easy in silencefor about a quarter of a minute. Then pick up the faint, fuzzy meaningof "the Name" again, and let it go again into your silence for aboutfifteen seconds again. This for example is two repetitions of samyama twice picking up the Name at its subtlest level of thought, andletting it go into inner silence. What is the effect of this? Whatwill happen?To the extent we are picking up meaning on the border of inner silence(the subtlest level of thought), and then letting go easily into oursilence, the effect will be very powerful. Inner silence is a hugeamplifier of subtle thought. Inner silence is the only amplifier ofthought. It is the source of thought. Usually our thoughts come out ofsilence stimulated by all that is lodged in our subconscious mind. Somany habitual
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanyama and Effective Transcendent Prayer
Hence the growing from CC to GC or 'perceiving the finest relative' as it is referred to by Maharishi. You didn't finish your exposition. What happens after you subtly entertain that thought of God? What is YOUR experience? Jai Guru Dev Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Effective Prayer is the process of embodying the divine and becoming it's expression The technique of Sanyama can be used to accomplish this Meditation is the process of bringing the attention inward to stillness, inner silence, pure bliss consciousness, the witness state, samadhi. All of these describe aspects of the same thing. We have a particular meditation procedure that we do for set amount of time twice daily. It works like clockwork and, over time, as we meditate each day and then go out and be active, our nervous system becomes naturally accustomed to sustaining and radiating inner silence. Our daily life then becomes calmer from the inside. We are less overwhelmed by external events. This is the rise of the first stage of enlightenment, which is inner silence present in our life twenty- four hours a day, seven days a week. Once we have some inner silence, even just a little, we have the opportunity to begin to operate from that level of infinite potential in us. All that exists is manifested from that, and we, being that, are capable of manifesting from that infinite reservoir of life within us. So, with our toe in the infinite, we can begin to move from there for the benefit our transformation to enlightenment. It is simple to do. You will recall that in meditation we use the thought of a sound with no meaning, the mantra, to systematically allow the mind to go to stillness. It is in letting go of any meaning, language or intellectual content, and just easily picking up the thought of the mantra, that is able to dive deep into pure bliss consciousness. The nervous system also goes to silence with the mind, and our metabolism slows way down. With samyama, we begin to go the other way. After our meditation time is up, we rest for a minute or two and we transition into samyama. We begin with an easy state of not thinking, just resting in our silence. If thoughts are coming, we just let them go without entertaining them. In samyama practice we do not entertain the mantra either. We start by not favoring anything but being easy in our silence, however much silence we have from our just completed meditation session, and naturally present in us from our months or years of daily meditation. This is the starting point for samyama -- silence. The only prerequisite for doing samyama practice is having some inner silence. For most people this is after a few months of daily deep meditation, as covered in the early lessons. Now we are ready to begin samyama practice. Here is how we do it. With samyama, we are initiating meaning in silence. We do it in a simple, easy, systematic way. First we create an impulse of meaning in silence, and then we let it go in silence. Let's begin with the Name of God. It is a good place to start with samyama. In samyama it is suggested you use your most intimate language, the language that goes deepest in your heart, whatever it may be. In your easy silence, pick up, just once, the fuzziest feeling of the Name of God. Don't deliberately make a clear pronunciation, or mental images of this or that scene or situation that represent the Name of God. Just have a faint remembrance of the Name of God, and then let go into your silence, the easy silence you are in as you pick up the faint meaning of the Name of God. Don't contemplate the Name of God or analyze it during samyama. Don't think about it at all. Just come to it once in a faint, subtle way, and then let go into silence. It is a subtle feeling of the Name we are coming to, nothing more, and letting it go. Like that. Having thought the Name once, be in silence for about fifteen seconds. If any thoughts come, let them go easily. Don't look at the clock. With a little practice your inner clock will tell you with good enough accuracy when fifteen seconds is up. Just be easy in silence for about a quarter of a minute. Then pick up the faint, fuzzy meaning of the Name again, and let it go again into your silence for about fifteen seconds again. This for example is two repetitions of samyama twice picking up the Name at its subtlest level of thought, and letting it go into inner silence. What is the effect of this? What will happen? To the extent we are picking up meaning on the border of inner silence (the subtlest level of thought), and then letting go easily into our silence, the effect will be very powerful. Inner silence is a huge amplifier of subtle thought. Inner silence is the only amplifier of thought. It is the source of thought. Usually our thoughts come out of
