[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. Finished it. Will reveal nothing. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious mind, anyhow. Yes, but WE are! Attachment to attachment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief Not just real, but an *important* reality. How *dare* you suggest it's neither! I have a friend down here in the south of France who has a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows all the Zorro books and movies and TV shows backwards and forwards and even dresses up like Zorro for parties and special occasions. He has fun with this fantasy of his. We have fun with him having fun with this fantasy of his. But what makes it work is that Pete doesn't expect any of us to believe he's really Zorro. He doesn't expect us to take his fantasy seriously, because he doesn't take his fantasy seriously. Seems to me this discussion is about someone who insists that people take her fantasy of unenlightenment seriously. If we don't, we're demeaning her and some- how putting her down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Immortality questions
Just a question, inspired by my recent read of the latest Harry Potter book. I remember that a few years after I left the TM movement there was a lot of big talk in the movement about physical immortality. Immortality was the buzzword du jour. Whatever became of this fascination? I remember thinking at the time that something was 'way off about this. In most of the spiritual teachings I've run into, a fascination with physicial immortality is looked upon as a *very* dangerous indicator, a sign that the person becoming fascinated with it is off track or lost in Maya. Interestingly, in the fictional wizard world of the Harry Potter books, it is looked upon the same way, as an indicator that the wizard who becomes fascinated with immortality has lost his or her balance. So...many years later, is there any talk in the TMO about physical immortality, or was that just a passing fad? And, for those who might remember, did the passing fad appear around the time of Maharishi's heart attack? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--The only difference between being Realized and being Un- realized, doesn't have anything to do with the ego, the mind, the feelings, the body, survival instincts, the passing on of DNA, or anything relative. It has to do with recognizing the true Self. The true Self is nothing other than silence, inner silence. When you can experience pure silence in meditation, pure stillness, and be awake in the silence, then you have realized the Self. You realize that this Self is beyond anything relative, anything physical, anything ego oriented, anything judgemental, anything at all: it's just silence, unbounded pure silence(something in rather diminishing supply, these days). Ignorance always has to be defended; as it is never true and always false; it always compares and judges, that is it's job, it is the ego, the false self, the small self, the poor me as Eckhart Tolle, calls it; The witness is always there, it is just sleeping now; it will awake soon... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief Not just real, but an *important* reality. How *dare* you suggest it's neither! I have a friend down here in the south of France who has a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows all the Zorro books and movies and TV shows backwards and forwards and even dresses up like Zorro for parties and special occasions. He has fun with this fantasy of his. We have fun with him having fun with this fantasy of his. But what makes it work is that Pete doesn't expect any of us to believe he's really Zorro. He doesn't expect us to take his fantasy seriously, because he doesn't take his fantasy seriously. Seems to me this discussion is about someone who insists that people take her fantasy of unenlightenment seriously. If we don't, we're demeaning her and some- how putting her down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Finished it. Will reveal nothing. :-)If you did I really would never forgive you. ;0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The only difference between being Realized and being Un- realized, doesn't have anything to do with the ego, the mind, the feelings, the body, survival instincts, the passing on of DNA, or anything relative. Agreed. The supposed physiological counterparts of enlightenment are IMO just a myth made up by people about a mythical future state they call enlightenment so that they don't have to live in the real present state of enlightenment. It has to do with recognizing the true Self. The true Self is nothing other than silence, inner silence. When you can experience pure silence in meditation, pure stillness, and be awake in the silence, then you have realized the Self. You realize that this Self is beyond anything relative, anything physical, anything ego oriented, anything judgemental, anything at all: it's just silence, unbounded pure silence(something in rather diminishing supply, these days). Yet everpresent. Go figure. Ignorance always has to be defended; as it is never true and always false; it always compares and judges, that is it's job, it is the ego, the false self, the small self, the poor me as Eckhart Tolle, calls it; That's what I've been referring to, exactly. It's like the self wants attention, validation, some kind of feedback to per- petuate its belief that it exists. Self pity and indignation at not being taken seriously are two excellent methods of perpetuating the self. Laughing at oneself is one of the best methods for extinguishing the self, which is probably why so few people are able to do it. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Self-Realization'/Turning the Attention Wtihin...'
When we turn our attention within, past the thoughts, past the feelings, past the senses, past the mind, past the intellect, past the ego, what are we left with? We are looking within, not with the ego, not with the intellect, not with the mind, not with any sense, not with any particular feeling(other than bliss), and not with a thought. We take the attention within and experience the self realizing itself. By nature of it's ability to be aware, it becomes aware of itself. It needs nothing for it's survival. It needs not descrimiate between this or that. It just is. Coming out of meditation, it becomes an ever-present witness, always in the backround, non-judging, just there, realized, the self awake in itself, has nothing to do with the ego, or defending any particular point of view, takes all views into consideration, because is experienced as the primary cause of all experience. Awareness, has to be the primary "cause" of all experience, because without awareness, you could have no experience. Meditation, provides the means, toturn the attention, which is always driven outward by theego, to turn within. Realizing more and more that the self which you seek is within you. Everything you seek is within you...__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The real magic of Harry Potter (no spoilers)
The Harry Potter books are a legitimate phenomenon, one that few people understand, although a lot of people claim to. They think that the series' popularity has to do with magic, and a fascination for magic in those who have never really experienced it. They think that the kids (and adults) who are intrigued by these books are intrigued because the world of Harry Potter and Hogwarts School Of Wizardry is so foreign to them, and thus provides an escape into fantasy. I disagree. I think that the real secret of the world of Harry Potter and his friends is that it's so *ordinary*. The wizards and witches and warlocks and giants and werewolves and other creatures who populate the books are *ordinary*. They have their petty likes and dislikes, they have their prejudices, they do things for the same silly and stupid reasons that everyday humans do them. THAT is the brilliance of the concept. Magic isn't presented as extraordinary; it's presented as ordinary. The presence of magic in their lives doesn't suddenly make the lives of these characters perfect and heroic and devoid of pettiness. Magic *coexists* with the problems and the pettiness and the silly emotions and the fighting and the wars and the heroism and the cowardice. There is no *problem* with magic coexisting with all these things. I think there's a lesson in the Harry Potter books for those who wish to spread the concept of enlightenment. So many people paint enlightenment as a panacea, something...uh... magical that happens and then everything is different, perfect. In my experience, that scenario is not only not true, it undercuts the point, which is to spread the dharma, and let more people know about enlightenment. Why would they be interested in something that is portrayed in such glowing, obviously unreal- istic terms? The way enlightenment is described by many teachers and many traditions, it's *obviously* a fantasy; it just couldn't exist like that. And, IMO, it doesn't, and never has. What the world needs is a book or set of books that does for enlightenment what the Harry Potter books have done for magic -- make it ordinary, everyday. Because it is. It doesn't *replace* everyday life, with its trials and tribulations and pettiness and glories. It merely adds to that life, supplements it. The most valuable teaching about enlightenment I know of is, Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water; after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. Enlightenment changes nothing. But everything is changed, because enlight- enment is added into the mix. I suspect that if more teachers talked like that, instead of putting the enlightened up on a pedestal, and the concept of enlightenment up there with it, more people would actually become enlightened. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] NPR program coming up tomorrow
On Jul 25, 2005, at 4:36 PM, L B Shriver wrote: NPR's Morning Edition will have a segment on meditation and brain research tomorrow (Tuesday). L B S Thanks, heard it this morn. Interesting they are now researching non-dual, open forms of meditation as well as mindfulness meditation. http://www.mindandlife.org/current.conf.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Immortality questions
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just a question, inspired by my recent read of the latest Harry Potter book. I remember that a few years after I left the TM movement there was a lot of big talk in the movement about physical immortality. Immortality was the buzzword du jour. Whatever became of this fascination? I always wondered if it had anything to do with the death of Dr. Dwivedi, at the time one of the worlds leading experts on rasayana and longevity. They were promoting this immortality idea, along with this group of Vaidyas who were pasted on every bottle they sold; then he, well, died. A friend of mine, an MD, attended one of the TM Ayurveda cert. courses presided over by Chopra et al in FF. He really pushed some questions on this whole immortality trip they were trying to sell and he said basically the gist was the soul/consciousness was immortal NOT the physical body--although they contradicted that time after time in their phrasing. I imagine it sold a lot of product at the time but was dropped when someone figured out it was a law suit waiting to happen: 'hey I took amrit and PK, etc. and I'm still dying'. He commented that some of things at the course was pretty out there but esp. the tapes they were made to watch of Mahesh. He said he truly was left wondering if Mahesh was insane. I remember being shocked of that at the time, but he felt he certainly met the criteria. First of many wake-up calls. At the time, the MD's who were certified were allowed to prescribe metallic rasayanas, all listed as code names/numbers. They were supposed to--for the 7000 dollars it took for the course--refer all patients in their area to these new 'instant Vaidyas'--but it never really materialized. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So atheists can't be in GC or UC? Please define atheist. Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... Why would someone who didn't believe in God want to merge with Him? I don't get it. Awareness of and identification with our infinite nature does not require that the infinite carry a deity label. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Immortality questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just a question, inspired by my recent read of the latest Harry Potter book. I remember that a few years after I left the TM movement there was a lot of big talk in the movement about physical immortality. Immortality was the buzzword du jour. Whatever became of this fascination? I always wondered if it had anything to do with the death of Dr. Dwivedi, at the time one of the worlds leading experts on rasayana and longevity. They were promoting this immortality idea, along with this group of Vaidyas who were pasted on every bottle they sold; then he, well, died. A friend of mine, an MD, attended one of the TM Ayurveda cert. courses presided over by Chopra et al in FF. He really pushed some questions on this whole immortality trip they were trying to sell and he said basically the gist was the soul/consciousness was immortal NOT the physical body--although they contradicted that time after time in their phrasing. I imagine it sold a lot of product at the time but was dropped when someone figured out it was a law suit waiting to happen: 'hey I took amrit and PK, etc. and I'm still dying'. He commented that some of things at the course was pretty out there but esp. the tapes they were made to watch of Mahesh. He said he truly was left wondering if Mahesh was insane. I remember being shocked of that at the time, but he felt he certainly met the criteria. First of many wake-up calls. At the time, the MD's who were certified were allowed to prescribe metallic rasayanas, all listed as code names/numbers. They were supposed to--for the 7000 dollars it took for the course--refer all patients in their area to these new 'instant Vaidyas'--but it never really materialized. Thanks for your input, Vaj. I have no problem with longevity being promoted. I had a good friend who was an apprentice to a famous Chinese tonic herbalists, and a great deal of their science revolves around not only long life (tonic herbalists tend to live well into their 90s and 100s), but about enjoying that life as long as it goes on. It's the talk about physical immortality that gets me. How could *anyone* who has had a daily taste of dying (for that is what transcendence is) be in the least concerned about physical death? Death is a fear one expects to see in those who *don't* have any direct experience with eternality. When a fascination with physical immortality appears in someone who has taught meditation for decades, it kinda makes me wonder about that person's sanity as well. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So atheists can't be in GC or UC? Please define atheist. Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... Why would someone who didn't believe in God want to merge with Him? I don't get it. Awareness of and identification with our infinite nature does not require that the infinite carry a deity label. Or that that infinite be considered sentient. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Immortality questions
On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: It's the talk about physical immortality that gets me. How could *anyone* who has had a daily taste of dying (for that is what transcendence is) be in the least concerned about physical death? Death is a fear one expects to see in those who *don't* have any direct experience with eternality. When a fascination with physical immortality appears in someone who has taught meditation for decades, it kinda makes me wonder about that person's sanity as well. Not only that 'attachment to the body' is one of the kleshas Patanjali lists! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So atheists can't be in GC or UC? Please define atheist. Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... Why would someone who didn't believe in God want to merge with Him? I don't get it. Awareness of and identification with our infinite nature does not require that the infinite carry a deity label. Or that that infinite be considered sentient. Yeah, that too. Having grown up in an atheist/agnostic household, that's my cultural conditioning, and I'm more comfortable relating to that is-ness in atheistic terms. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious mind, anyhow. Yes, but WE are! Attachment to attachment. No, attachment to attachment to attachment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief Not just real, but an *important* reality. How *dare* you suggest it's neither! Exactly right. I have a friend down here in the south of France who has a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows all the Zorro books and movies and TV shows backwards and forwards and even dresses up like Zorro for parties and special occasions. He has fun with this fantasy of his. We have fun with him having fun with this fantasy of his. That's because it's a fantasy. But what makes it work is that Pete doesn't expect any of us to believe he's really Zorro. He doesn't expect us to take his fantasy seriously, because he doesn't take his fantasy seriously. That's because it's a fantasy. Seems to me this discussion is about someone who insists that people take her fantasy of unenlightenment seriously. If we don't, we're demeaning her and some- how putting her down. Barry, you're really pretty much hors de combat in this discussion. Not even your limp spitballs from the sidelines are poorly aimed. (In any other context, Barry would be *insisting* on the different realities in different states of consciousness. But, hey, consistency is just the hobgoblin of small minds when there's an opportunity to put somebody down.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief Not just real, but an *important* reality. How *dare* you suggest it's neither! Exactly right. I have a friend down here in the south of France who has a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows all the Zorro books and movies and TV shows backwards and forwards and even dresses up like Zorro for parties and special occasions. He has fun with this fantasy of his. We have fun with him having fun with this fantasy of his. That's because it's a fantasy. But what makes it work is that Pete doesn't expect any of us to believe he's really Zorro. He doesn't expect us to take his fantasy seriously, because he doesn't take his fantasy seriously. That's because it's a fantasy. Seems to me this discussion is about someone who insists that people take her fantasy of unenlightenment seriously. If we don't, we're demeaning her and some- how putting her down. Barry, you're really pretty much hors de combat in this discussion. Not even your limp spitballs from the sidelines are poorly aimed. (In any other context, Barry would be *insisting* on the different realities in different states of consciousness. But, hey, consistency is just the hobgoblin of small minds when there's an opportunity to put somebody down.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Barry, you're really pretty much hors de combat in this discussion. Not even your limp spitballs from the sidelines are poorly aimed. Whoops, that should be are well aimed. Changed sentence structure in the middle and didn't edit to compensate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
I have a friend down here in the south of France who has a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows all the Zorro books and movies and TV shows backwards and forwards and even dresses up like Zorro for parties and special occasions. He has fun with this fantasy of his. We have fun with him having fun with this fantasy of his. That's because it's a fantasy. So is non-enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Self-Realization'/Turning the Attention Wtihin...'
Now let's look at this thing called the mind. Where is the mind? Is it in the eyes? Or is it in the smile? Or is it in the frown? Or is it in the arms? Is it in front? Or is it behind? Where is the mind? If it was full nothing could come into it. If it had a certain color everything else would also have a certain color. Only in emptiness of the mind can it be filled with many things. Only in clarity of the mind can it be filled with many colors. - Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Self-Realization'/Turning the Attention Wtihin...' When we turn our attention within, past the thoughts, past the feelings, past the senses, past the mind, past the intellect, past the ego, what are we left with? We are looking within, not with the ego, not with the intellect, not with the mind, not with any sense, not with any particular feeling(other than bliss), and not with a thought. We take the attention within and experience the self realizing itself. By nature of it's ability to be aware, it becomes aware of itself. It needs nothing for it's survival. It needs not descrimiate between this or that. It just is. Coming out of meditation, it becomes an ever-present witness, always in the backround, non-judging, just there, realized, the self awake in itself, has nothing to do with the ego, or defending any particular point of view, takes all views into consideration, because is experienced as the primary cause of all experience. Awareness, has to be the primary "cause" of all experience, because without awareness, you could have no experience. Meditation, provides the means, toturn the attention, which is always driven outward by theego, to turn within. Realizing more and more that the self which you seek is within you. Everything you seek is within you... __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Awareness of and identification with our infinite nature does not require that the infinite carry a deity label. Or that that infinite be considered sentient. Yeah, that too. Having grown up in an atheist/agnostic household, that's my cultural conditioning, and I'm more comfortable relating to that is-ness in atheistic terms. Conceptually, I am too, but it doesn't bother me to use deity labels in discussion, because it's all metaphorical anyway; the words can't encompass, let alone limit, the reality. Nor can the concepts, for that matter. Sentience is just another concept with a word attached to it; different people, moreover, have different concepts to which they attach the sentience label. For some it implies *a being*, for others it's the nature of Being, the abstract quality of Intelligence rather than *a being* who is intelligent. But beyond that, if Brahman is One without a second, you can't say Brahman is or is not sentient (or is or is not anything else either), because then you'd have a second, Brahman *plus* whatever Brahman is not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a friend down here in the south of France who has a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows all the Zorro books and movies and TV shows backwards and forwards and even dresses up like Zorro for parties and special occasions. He has fun with this fantasy of his. We have fun with him having fun with this fantasy of his. That's because it's a fantasy. So is non-enlightenment. Not for you, toots. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
No, attachment to attachment to attachment.The more attachments the more hard to reach spots one can cover at once. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] GCP/EGG update July 25 2005
Poster's note: Roger Nelson's Global Consciousness Project has been mentioned a few times in this forum. Now it has a Yahoo group, noted below, along with some other links that may interest some here. So I'm posting the newsletter below. - Patrick Gillam --- GCP/EGG update July 25 2005 For some time it has seemed difficult to identify Global Events in certain categories. For many years, I would be struck by news of yet another bombing or another attack in the ongoing middle east troubles. Strife in several parts of Africa presents a similar situation. There are occasional items that seem exceptional, but the picture has seemed to be one of constant turmoil and persisting tragedy. More recently, this state seems to be spreading in the world. There is heat everywhere, and it seems even in the first world safety and security are becoming uncertain. The attacks on July 7th in London, and more recently in Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt stand out, but Daniel Schorr echoed my perception of a spreading malaise in a recent analysis, which I took for an exploratory focus: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/danschorr.html For other recent explorations check the end of this list: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/res.informal.html And for the most recent formal events: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/results.html A more rigorous extraction of information from the GCP data comes from an earthquake analysis by Peter Bancel. Interesting and important items are 1) there is a significant effect, which is 2) linked to the presence of people and eggs (the eggs don't react much to earthquakes in the ocean or in parts of the world with little population) and 3) implications for modeling with regard to theoretically rich questions of locality vs non-locality. Check out the page: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/earthquakes.html A number of people have asked whether we have a discussion list for the GCP, or some way of sharing interests and questions. I have started a Yahoo group called gcp-egg for this purpose. I'm not much familiar with the process so we may have some learning to do. If you wish to join this discussion group go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gcp-egg/ The email address for group members is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And have you come across Arundhati Roy? She's something to behold, and speaks of many things we need to think about in our political mind. Here's a quote: So here we have it. The equivocating distinction between civilisation and savagery, between the 'massacre of innocent people' or, if you like, 'a clash of civilisations' and 'collateral damage'. The sophistry and fastidious algebra of Infinite Justice... As I put it in my growing political page, Google her, it's worthwhile. Best, Roger -- Roger D. Nelson Director, Global Consciousness Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://noosphere.princeton.edu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
I think awards need to be given out for all the enlightened people. But first I have to start with the homeless. That is, the homeless who don't have two shopping carts and the makings of a small city in their contents. The award for detactment goes to those homeless who carry one backpack or less of items for survival. Next, I give the enlightened award in two categories, most specious system, which goes to Lupidus, and least presaged, which goes to this baby I met who watched my energy fields. I give the most awake award to my grandmother who, RIP, only slept two hours a night. The most helpful award goes to Ontul Rinpoche who catching me looking at him once in a weird way explained that he had put off seeking his own enlightenment to help others. Which was cool cause I was looking at him thinking, he doesn't give off much energy, and then he said to the audience, I have not much realization. I would like to go on a retreat before I die. I have ever since the Chinese occupation, felt the need to look out for other people, and so I haven't had the time I wanted. I give the most insightful award to Rory, because I certainly couldn't figure out the geometry of God's face. I give the biggest enlightened buffoon award to JohnHaeglen. Most in-unity-with-his-own-ego award to Maharishi. I'll take most enlightened asshole award. I do know I'm an asshole. How can one be a chef, yelling at people all the time, not know he's an asshole? I'll give Uncle Tantra most enlightened and smug about it award. But best in show goes to Vajranatha with the biggest know it all award in the whole world. Nobody out does you, Buddy. You truely rank with Crowley and John Dee. - Original Message - From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: I have a friend down here in the south of France who has a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows all the Zorro books and movies and TV shows backwards and forwards and even dresses up like Zorro for parties and special occasions. He has fun with this fantasy of his. We have fun with him having fun with this fantasy of his.That's because it's a fantasy. So is non-enlightenment.Not for you, toots. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Awakening of an Atheist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So atheists can't be in GC or UC? Please define atheist. Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... Why would someone who didn't believe in God want to merge with Him? I don't get it. What does an atheist believe in? The reality can be surprising. I grew up in an atheist family. I remember my mother mentioning God only once, when I was sick. According to her I had got the measles, because I was so evil and God was punishing me. My father occasionally lectured us about the foolishness of religions. And I agreed with him. I have never felt a desire or a need to pray. In my inner dialogues I was sometimes also pondering of the concept of God. I ended up not denying God's existence, but saw that this entity transcends my understanding and therefore I cannot form any picture internally of God. Therefore He cannot be an object of belief for me either. I also came to the conclusion that if God is the embodiment of Truth, he cannot expect from me more than I function according to what I understand to be true, even if that meant the denial of God. The irony is that when I at age 16 had my first conscious awakening shift, I hadn't consciously felt any desire to merge with God. After this awakening I saw that there is subtle deep intelligence permeating and beyond everything, which takes care of evolution and also of the inner growth of us humans. My trying to become something or being something disturbs the workings of this intelligence in me. If I try to become something my conscious intelligence cannot stay in tune with this deep intelligence in nature. I saw that life or this deep intelligence accepts me just as I am with all my defects. Trying to be something means denial and non-acceptance of what is. I think this applies also to trying to get enlightened. The basis for growth and transformation is accepting and then gradually penetrating what is, not by putting your attention elsewhere. Whatever your stage of awareness is, just be present and observe your deep motives, emotions, and energetic states as sincerely and as truthfully as you can, even if it might feel painful. Don't avoid feeling painful and heavy emotions. This avoidance is most potent in creating suffering and stagnation. Also relaxing meditation like TM is good as it helps to connect consciously to the more subtle levels. Deep relaxed breathing is useful in helping becoming more aware of suppressed unpleasant emotions and sensations and transforming them. Avoid excuses and using consciously your intelligence to defensive purposes. Inner growth and evolution is that simple. Sudden leaps to a higher level of awareness will appear on its own, when you are ready. Belief in God is not a necessity and in some phases can become an obstacle too. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
Though killing (as such) is sin, Ch1v36, Dharma (duty) superscedes 'sin' and allows Arjuna to even kill in love, Ch2vs1. What MMY has published so conflicts with what he is saying today it is astounding and leaves one's 'limbs failing and mouth parched, my body quivers and my hair stands on end'BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think awards need to be given out for all the enlightened people. Since everyone is always already enlightened, I think you missed a few folks. But since it might get expensive to give an award to everyone who feels that they are not enlightened, how 'bout making it a contest? The Poor Me Award goes to the person who can give the best intellectual explanation of enlightenment and then follow it up with the longest and most annoying whine about how this explanation doesn't seem to have helped them realize enlightenment. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Awakening of an Atheist
Comment below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So atheists can't be in GC or UC? Please define atheist. Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... Why would someone who didn't believe in God want to merge with Him? I don't get it. What does an atheist believe in? The reality can be surprising. I grew up in an atheist family. I remember my mother mentioning God only once, when I was sick. According to her I had got the measles, because I was so evil and God was punishing me. My father occasionally lectured us about the foolishness of religions. And I agreed with him. I have never felt a desire or a need to pray. In my inner dialogues I was sometimes also pondering of the concept of God. I ended up not denying God's existence, but saw that this entity transcends my understanding and therefore I cannot form any picture internally of God. Therefore He cannot be an object of belief for me either. I also came to the conclusion that if God is the embodiment of Truth, he cannot expect from me more than I function according to what I understand to be true, even if that meant the denial of God. The irony is that when I at age 16 had my first conscious awakening shift, I hadn't consciously felt any desire to merge with God. After this awakening I saw that there is subtle deep intelligence permeating and beyond everything, which takes care of evolution and also of the inner growth of us humans. My trying to become something or being something disturbs the workings of this intelligence in me. If I try to become something my conscious intelligence cannot stay in tune with this deep intelligence in nature. I saw that life or this deep intelligence accepts me just as I am with all my defects. Trying to be something means denial and non-acceptance of what is. I think this applies also to trying to get enlightened. The basis for growth and transformation is accepting and then gradually penetrating what is, not by putting your attention elsewhere. Whatever your stage of awareness is, just be present and observe your deep motives, emotions, and energetic states as sincerely and as truthfully as you can, even if it might feel painful. Don't avoid feeling painful and heavy emotions. This avoidance is most potent in creating suffering and stagnation. Also relaxing meditation like TM is good as it helps to connect consciously to the more subtle levels. Deep relaxed breathing is useful in helping becoming more aware of suppressed unpleasant emotions and sensations and transforming them. Avoid excuses and using consciously your intelligence to defensive purposes. Inner growth and evolution is that simple. Sudden leaps to a higher level of awareness will appear on its own, when you are ready. Belief in God is not a necessity and in some phases can become an obstacle too. Irmeli This is probably the clearest, most concentrated bit of good advice that has ever been posted in this forum. Thanks. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think awards need to be given out for all the enlightened people. Since everyone is always already enlightened, I think you missed a few folks. But since it might get expensive to give an award to everyone who feels that they are not enlightened, how 'bout making it a contest? The Poor Me Award goes to the person who can give the best intellectual explanation of enlightenment and then follow it up with the longest and most annoying whine about how this explanation doesn't seem to have helped them realize enlightenment. :-) And then the Wonderfully Clever Me award, to the person with the greatest investment in convincing everybody else that he is enlightened, by devising the most creative (if far-fetched and illogical) put-downs of those who, unlike himself, aren't afraid to admit they aren't enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Awakening of an Atheist
The reality can be surprising. I grew up in an atheist family. I remember my mother mentioning God only once, when I was sick. According to her I had got the measles, because I was so evil and God was punishing me. My father occasionally lectured us about the foolishness of religions. And I agreed with him. I have never felt a desire or a need to pray. In my inner dialogues I was sometimes also pondering of the concept of God. I ended up not denying God's existence, but saw that this entity transcends my understanding and therefore I cannot form any picture internally of God. Therefore He cannot be an object of belief for me either. I also came to the conclusion that if God is the embodiment of Truth, he cannot expect from me more than I function according to what I understand to be true, even if that meant the denial of God. The irony is that when I at age 16 had my first conscious awakening shift, I hadn't consciously felt any desire to merge with God. After this awakening I saw that there is subtle deep intelligence permeating and beyond everything, which takes care of evolution and also of the inner growth of us humans. My trying to become something or being something disturbs the workings of this intelligence in me. If I try to become something my conscious intelligence cannot stay in tune with this deep intelligence in nature. I saw that life or this deep intelligence accepts me just as I am with all my defects. Trying to be something means denial and non-acceptance of what is. I think this applies also to trying to get enlightened. The basis for growth and transformation is accepting and then gradually penetrating what is, not by putting your attention elsewhere. Whatever your stage of awareness is, just be present and observe your deep motives, emotions, and energetic states as sincerely and as truthfully as you can, even if it might feel painful. Don't avoid feeling painful and heavy emotions. This avoidance is most potent in creating suffering and stagnation. Also relaxing meditation like TM is good as it helps to connect consciously to the more subtle levels. Deep relaxed breathing is useful in helping becoming more aware of suppressed unpleasant emotions and sensations and transforming them. Avoid excuses and using consciously your intelligence to defensive purposes. Inner growth and evolution is that simple. Sudden leaps to a higher level of awareness will appear on its own, when you are ready. Belief in God is not a necessity and in some phases can become an obstacle too. Irmeli This is probably the clearest, most concentrated bit of good advice that has ever been posted in this forum. Thanks. L B S Can't speak for the history of the forum, since I'm a newcomer, but it's pretty good advice. Self acceptance seems to be the key that opens the door, and the desire to intellectually under- stand the door is what seems to keep it closed. As Lludrub mentioned about the Tibetan teacher he met, the people who seem to think about their own enlightenment the least probably have the best shot at it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. I could counter every single paragraph of the Gita with a more rational way of doing things. And that's just stupid me. What of smarter people? It's just reified nonsense, or a good tall tale. It's as sensible as the New Testament. It's no wonder that Maharishi couldn't even be bothered to finish commenting on it. - Original Message - From: wmurphy77 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita... Though "killing (as such) is sin", Ch1v36, Dharma (duty) superscedes 'sin' and allows Arjuna to even "kill in love", Ch2vs1.What MMY has published so conflicts with what he is saying today itis astounding and leaves one's 'limbs failing and mouth parched, my body quivers and my hair stands on end'BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Immortality questions
Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question, inspired by my recent read of the latest Harry Potter book. I remember that a few years after I left the TM movement there was a lot of big talk in the movement about physical immortality. Immortality was the buzzword du jour. Whatever became of this fascination? I remember thinking at the time that something was 'way off about this. In most of the spiritual teachings I've run into, a fascination with physicial immortality is looked upon as a *very* dangerous indicator, a sign that the person becoming fascinated with it is off track or lost in Maya. Interestingly, in the fictional wizard world of the Harry Potter books, it is looked upon the same way, as an indicator that the wizard who becomes fascinated with immortality has lost his or her balance. So...many years later, is there any talk in the TMO about physical immortality, or was that just a passing fad? And, for those who might remember, did the passing fad appear around the time of Maharishi's heart attack? I would prefer mass delusion to passing fad, but that's just my prejudice speaking. There was a rough correspondence between Maharishi's health crisis and the passing fad, but it would be difficult to document either event precisely enough to evaluate the degree of correlation. The fad was also quite clearly an outgrowth of the movement's interest in Ayurveda, and its extreme application, Kaya Kalpa (by virtue of which one is enabled to rejuvenate one's body and extend the life span). Proponents of Kaya Kalpa justify it in terms of enlightenment; ie, it's thought to be easier to maintain spiritual progress if one isn't forced to take a new body. I always thought it interesting that at the peak of this phenomenon, I seldom heard anyone mention the possibility that M was going to be around forever. His departure was assumed, but always projected to some indefinite point in the future. I also remember hearing a conversation at Revelations a few years ago when I heard some True Believers discuss M's immanent passage (meaning, within a few years). This was the first time I had heard people still in the fold talk about his death openly. Recently I have heard a few conversations where people were once again talking about immortality (as a personal expectation). These are comparatively rare these days. Living in Fairfield, especially, one can't help but be aware that the actuarial tables apply to Sidhas as much as anyone else. In fact, when you read the obits in the Fairfield Ledger, it seems that nonmeditators tend to live longer than meditators. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Awakening of an Atheist
Avoid excuses and using consciously your intelligence to defensive purposes. Inner growth and evolution is that simple. Sudden leaps to a higher level of awareness will appear on its own, when you are ready. Belief in God is not a necessity and in some phases can become an obstacle too. IrmeliThis is probably the clearest, most concentrated bit of good advice that has ever been posted in this forum.Thanks.L B S---I liked it but it doesn't fit my mind. I felt that what Jim said about losing all fronts was what I had gone through. In fact, I once did a paper on Keats Ode to a Grecian Urn in terms of his concept of "negative capacity" or ability to live in the midst of paradox without the necessity of reconciling opposites. My awakening to myself as separate from change occurred, as I have said before, during a really hellish bad acid trip. I think others have stated how deep trauma creates the sense of witnessing. There's really no difference between that witnessing and the witnessing of cosmic consciousness. Hopefully though one can experience the witness state through meditation without the trauma and so head off the shockwave that reverberates for a long time after. I believe it's the person's intellectual agility or feebleness which then does or doesn't reiterate some concept instead of accepting the reality of empty, lucid, unchanging self. If one accepts the steady state of being outside of opposites then they can continue on in the state of witnessing thoughts arise. If they cannot then they choose God, or Devils, or No-God, or Science, ie., some conceptual framework as a substitute for direct perception, and then proceed to go back to sleep. Later, after gaining confidence in the state of witnessing, through years of TM, my mind got progressively more ground down until to even consider myself the source of my thoughts seemed ludicrous. I am merely one with the source of thoughts. The thoughts are just some web of lines of objects in a net of which I am a node watching and waiting. Sometimes I act and sometimes I don't. If I don't then the thoughts are freed. If I do then circumstances change. But nothing ever changes. I am still the same. Empty, lucid, unchanging. Base. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Immortality questions
Living in Fairfield, especially, one can't help but be aware that the actuarial tables apply to Sidhas as much as anyone else. In fact, when you read the obits in the Fairfield Ledger, it seems that nonmeditators tend to live longer than meditators.L B S-As Iron Maiden says, "Only the good die young. The evil seem to last forever." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerningthis situation and what to do about it, no? It isn'tas though it fails to acknowledge what the problem isor to suggest a solution.Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think awards need to be given out for all the enlightened people. Since everyone is always already enlightened, I think you missed a few folks. But since it might get expensive to give an award to everyone who feels that they are not enlightened, how 'bout making it a contest? The Poor Me Award goes to the person who can give the best intellectual explanation of enlightenment and then follow it up with the longest and most annoying whine about how this explanation doesn't seem to have helped them realize enlightenment. :-) And then the Wonderfully Clever Me award, to the person with the greatest investment in convincing everybody else that he is enlightened, by devising the most creative (if far-fetched and illogical) put-downs of those who, unlike himself, aren't afraid to admit they aren't enlightened. Just to clarify things for Judy, whose anger at her own lack of experience of enlightenment seems to be getting the better of her in a forum of people who have been more fortunate, I've always been clear that I'm not enlightened. I was equally clear about this on a.m.t., and she knows it. I've had some enlightenment experiences, and they were neat. But so were, and are, all the experiences in which enlightenment is not present. I don't make a distinction between them or long for one over another. I suspect that a lot of people here feel the same way. They, the ones who can live in the present and actually enjoy it for what it is -- enlightened or not -- make this forum worth reading. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita? In the Gita, the other guy can't hear what the guy buying is saying above the noise, so he transcends, and then does the right thing intuitively? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. The value of the Gita to me was that in reading it, it helped to culture my mind to think in a deep, clear and orderly way. I recall underlining many passages and using it as a reference many times. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita? Somebody actually gets laid? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think awards need to be given out for all the enlightened people. Since everyone is always already enlightened, I think you missed a few folks. But since it might get expensive to give an award to everyone who feels that they are not enlightened, how 'bout making it a contest? The Poor Me Award goes to the person who can give the best intellectual explanation of enlightenment and then follow it up with the longest and most annoying whine about how this explanation doesn't seem to have helped them realize enlightenment. :-) And then the Wonderfully Clever Me award, to the person with the greatest investment in convincing everybody else that he is enlightened, by devising the most creative (if far-fetched and illogical) put-downs of those who, unlike himself, aren't afraid to admit they aren't enlightened. Just to clarify things for Judy, whose anger at her own lack of experience of enlightenment seems to be getting the better of her in a forum of people who have been more fortunate, That's not even creative, let alone accurate or logical. You're falling down on the job, Barry. I've always been clear that I'm not enlightened. I was equally clear about this on a.m.t., and she knows it. You seem to have fooled Llundrub. Maybe you haven't been quite so clear on FFL as you claim. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Steve Shimer passing
Good morning all. Early this morning Steve Shimer passed away of Hodgkin's disease. He had become an acupuncturist and had been living in Fairfield, California with his wife, Kathy Unger. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Here, here, here, my dear fools.get with the program, it's the gunas acting upon the gunas, get it, hello? To assume authorship of karma is to misunderstand life, it's *God's* trip, yes? BillyG. P.S. ...he who knows the truth about the gunas and their actions 'remains unattached'. Ch3vs28 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Shimer passing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning all. Early this morning Steve Shimer passed away of Hodgkin's disease. He had become an acupuncturist and had been living in Fairfield, California with his wife, Kathy Unger. I remember both names, although I can place a face to neither. My condolences to Kathy and my best wishes to Steve for a bright and productive journey through the Bardo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Here, here, here, my dear fools.get with the program, it's the gunas acting upon the gunas, get it, hello? To assume authorship of karma is to misunderstand life, it's *God's* trip, yes? BillyG. P.S. ...he who knows the truth about the gunas and their actions 'remains unattached'. Ch3vs28 BillyG... Never mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Awakening of an Atheist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reality can be surprising. I grew up in an atheist family. I remember my mother mentioning God only once, when I was sick. According to her I had got the measles, because I was so evil and God was punishing me. My father occasionally lectured us about the foolishness of religions. And I agreed with him. I have never felt a desire or a need to pray. In my inner dialogues I was sometimes also pondering of the concept of God. I ended up not denying God's existence, but saw that this entity transcends my understanding and therefore I cannot form any picture internally of God. Therefore He cannot be an object of belief for me either. I also came to the conclusion that if God is the embodiment of Truth, he cannot expect from me more than I function according to what I understand to be true, even if that meant the denial of God. The irony is that when I at age 16 had my first conscious awakening shift, I hadn't consciously felt any desire to merge with God. After this awakening I saw that there is subtle deep intelligence permeating and beyond everything, which takes care of evolution and also of the inner growth of us humans. My trying to become something or being something disturbs the workings of this intelligence in me. If I try to become something my conscious intelligence cannot stay in tune with this deep intelligence in nature. I saw that life or this deep intelligence accepts me just as I am with all my defects. Trying to be something means denial and non- acceptance of what is. I think this applies also to trying to get enlightened. The basis for growth and transformation is accepting and then gradually penetrating what is, not by putting your attention elsewhere. Whatever your stage of awareness is, just be present and observe your deep motives, emotions, and energetic states as sincerely and as truthfully as you can, even if it might feel painful. Don't avoid feeling painful and heavy emotions. This avoidance is most potent in creating suffering and stagnation. Also relaxing meditation like TM is good as it helps to connect consciously to the more subtle levels. Deep relaxed breathing is useful in helping becoming more aware of suppressed unpleasant emotions and sensations and transforming them. Avoid excuses and using consciously your intelligence to defensive purposes. Inner growth and evolution is that simple. Sudden leaps to a higher level of awareness will appear on its own, when you are ready. Belief in God is not a necessity and in some phases can become an obstacle too. Irmeli Brilliant and beautiful! What a gift for expression you have! And an excellent guide for dedication to the transcendent value of life. Thank you! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. Oh yee of little faith, does it not say in the Gita, To protect the righteous and destroy the wicked,I (the Divine)take birth age after age, Gita Ch4vs8. You have an ego my friend, from which you think the whole securtiy of the world depends...such hubris, tut, tut! In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. Such is the nature of the gunas I could counter every single paragraph of the Gita with a more rational way of doing things. And that's just stupid me. Agreed! What of smarter people? It's just reified nonsense, or a good tall tale. It's as sensible as the New Testament. It's no wonder that Maharishi couldn't even be bothered to finish commenting on it. Now, now, let's not destroy the messenger because you don't like the message, the message is clear, you just don't like it,...cheese anyone? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
I always find pictures of Ramana Maharishi so lively and soothing, powerful and unyielding, like a force of nature personified. ---Me too. Seeing men in diapers makes me feel really grown up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
- Original Message - From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita?In the Gita, the other guy can't hear what the guybuying is saying above the noise, so he transcends,and then does the right thing intuitively? --In TJ, not to screw a Mexican whore insults kith and kin. Doesn't matter anyway if he gets VD since the Lord was always with him anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
I've had some enlightenment experiences, and theywere neat. But so were, and are, all the experiencesin which enlightenment is not present. I don't make adistinction between them or long for one over another.I suspect that a lot of people here feel the same way.They, the ones who can live in the present and actuallyenjoy it for what it is -- enlightened or not -- make this forum worth reading. -Oh, here, here! I am awakened and realized but I'm far from enlightened. Here's to the enlightened. God bless the thousand or so of the Fortunate Aeon! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Shimer passing
To the Clear Light! - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Shimer passing --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Good morning all. Early this morning Steve Shimer passed away of Hodgkin's disease. He had become an acupuncturist and had been living in Fairfield, California with his wife, Kathy Unger.I remember both names, although I can place a face to neither.My condolences to Kathy and my best wishes to Steve for a bright and productive journey through the Bardo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
You have an ego my friend, from which you think the whole securtiy of the world depends...such hubris, tut, tut! ---That smacks of good LSD logic. I'm going to consider that. Nah, I just looked and the ego couldn't be found. What I did find were a pack of Devas hiding behind my eyelids scurrying around like mice. They couldn't find my ego either. Oh look, here it is . To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
- Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita?Somebody actually gets laid? Somebody gets laid in the Gita too but they leave that part out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita? In the Gita, the other guy can't hear what the guy buying is saying above the noise, so he transcends, and then does the right thing intuitively? --In TJ, not to screw a Mexican whore insults kith and kin. Doesn't matter anyway if he gets VD since the Lord was always with him anyway. Sorry, wasn't aware of these finer points... Still, if he transcends, he'll do the dharmic thing spontaneously, whatever it happens to be that day, according to Arjuan, at any rate. I think I'm basically with you, though. On my darker days, I tend to think I could have pissed a better system than we're stuck with. Take away my TM, and I'd be a really gnarly Gnostic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
Sorry, wasn't aware of these finer points...Still, if he transcends, he'll do the dharmic thingspontaneously, whatever it happens to be that day,according to Arjuan, at any rate.I think I'm basically with you, though. On mydarker days, I tend to think I could have pisseda better system than we're stuck with. Take awaymy TM, and I'd be a really gnarly Gnostic.Gnosticism is very cool. I grew up going to Manley P Hall's center. Not that I was into it then but later I read texts from www.gnosis.org and I really like the books not deemed fit to go in the Bible. In particular Jesus' teachings, go figure. But my point was that, with or without the gunas, with God in heart or without, with dharma or without, Krishna would tell Arjuna to push the button first if the Nukes were lined up on both sides. I don't really dig that stance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Still, if he transcends, he'll do the dharmic thing spontaneously, whatever it happens to be that day, according to Arjuan, at any rate. (*Arjuna*.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
On Jul 26, 2005, at 12:40 PM, authfriend wrote: (*Arjuna*.) I liked Arjuan better. A Mexican Arjuna. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think I'm basically with you, though. On my darker days, I tend to think I could have pissed a better system than we're stuck with. Take away my TM, and I'd be a really gnarly Gnostic. Gnosticism is very cool. I grew up going to Manley P Hall's center. Not that I was into it then but later I read texts from www.gnosis.org and I really like the books not deemed fit to go in the Bible. In particular Jesus' teachings, go figure. Well, I was thinking about the type of Gnosticism that denounces the world as evil, an abortion created by a monstrously incompetent and malevolent lesser deity. But my point was that, with or without the gunas, with God in heart or without, with dharma or without, Krishna would tell Arjuna to push the button first if the Nukes were lined up on both sides. I don't really dig that stance. Are you stipulating that there's no other option than one side or the other pushing the button first? And are you saying you'd prefer Krishna to allow the other side to push it first? Seems to me in a MAD (mutual assured destruction) situation, it wouldn't matter much who pushed the button first. So I guess I'm missing your point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 26, 2005, at 12:40 PM, authfriend wrote: (*Arjuna*.) I liked Arjuan better. A Mexican Arjuna. Arjuan and Krishnito. (Sounds like somebody coughing and then sneezing.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Immortality questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Living in Fairfield, especially, one can't help but be aware that the actuarial tables apply to Sidhas as much as anyone else. In fact, when you read the obits in the Fairfield Ledger, it seems that nonmeditators tend to live longer than meditators. L B S --- It could also be that there are a lot more older nonmeditators living in Fairfield than there are meditators -- which is why we see a lot of 70/80 year olds passing in the nonmeditator group -- it would appear they live longer. The meditating group does not have a lot of members in that age group - hence we don't see obits for them in the paper. But I suspect our numbers will be high in 20-30 years or so (if we haven't all left town by then). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
or without the gunas, with God in heart or without, with dharma or without, Krishna would tell Arjuna to push the button first if the Nukes were lined up on both sides. I don't really dig that stance.Are you stipulating that there's no other optionthan one side or the other pushing the buttonfirst? And are you saying you'd prefer Krishnato allow the other side to push it first? Yeah, Oh Merciful Creator. Seems to me in a MAD (mutual assured destruction)situation, it wouldn't matter much who pushed thebutton first. So I guess I'm missing your point. ---My point is that for Krishna, backing down is not an option. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always find pictures of Ramana Maharishi so lively and soothing, powerful and unyielding, like a force of nature personified. ---Me too. Seeing men in diapers makes me feel really grown up. Ha-ha!!! Yeah, that description of mine came off as very academic or something. Chalk it up to my clumsy expression, though I spoke it straight from my heart...I really like pictures of Ramana Maharishi! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
I liked Arjuan better. A Mexican Arjuna.Arjuan and Krishnito.(Sounds like somebody coughing and thensneezing.)You're on the level. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always find pictures of Ramana Maharishi so lively and soothing, powerful and unyielding, like a force of nature personified. Here are some more. I find his pictures to very powerful also: I especially like the one of the mountain and the one with him in color on the tiger skin. He has a quality that I liked originally in pics of Guru Dev also. Perhaps the fact that neither is smiling yet radiating bliss, or something. Probably impossible to categorize. Anyway, Thanks! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Former Meditator Creates High-Tech Enlightenment...'
Bill Harris, former TM meditator has discovered, researched and designed, quite a remarkable technology, using certain harmonic tones, to 'force' the brain into greater levels, of synchrony, and at lower frequencies... See: http://www.getsynergized.com/Holosync/index2.html See: http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=faq__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita? In the Gita, the other guy can't hear what the guy buying is saying above the noise, so he transcends, and then does the right thing intuitively? --In TJ, not to screw a Mexican whore insults kith and kin. Doesn't matter anyway if he gets VD since the Lord was always with him anyway. Sorry, wasn't aware of these finer points... Still, if he transcends, he'll do the dharmic thing spontaneously, whatever it happens to be that day, according to Arjuan, at any rate. But Krishna never says let's transcend and see what spontaneously happens, there's never any question about it. It's just another version of the same old-time religion -- kill your enemies and don't worry about guilt or sin because we have god on our side. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or without the gunas, with God in heart or without, with dharma or without, Krishna would tell Arjuna to push the button first if the Nukes were lined up on both sides. I don't really dig that stance. Are you stipulating that there's no other option than one side or the other pushing the button first? And are you saying you'd prefer Krishna to allow the other side to push it first? Yeah, Oh Merciful Creator. Seems to me in a MAD (mutual assured destruction) situation, it wouldn't matter much who pushed the button first. So I guess I'm missing your point. ---My point is that for Krishna, backing down is not an option. So pushing the button *isn't* the only option. Why are you so sure he wouldn't back down? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Neuroscientists see red over Dalai Lama
Neuroscientists see red over Dalai Lama David Cyranoski Critics of meditation 'pseudoscience' say conference talk should be cancelled. Some say meditation focuses the mind - but others say the research behind such claims is limited. © Punchstock A growing number of neuroscientists are calling for the cancellation of a special lecture to be given by the Dalai Lama in November. The Buddhist leader is due to speak at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience (SfN) in Washington DC, but a petition against the talk has already gathered some 50 signatures. The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in India since he fled Chinese troops in Tibet in 1959. Over the past decade he has increasingly encouraged researchers, sometimes at gatherings at his home, to study whether Tibetan Buddhist meditation can reshape the brain and increase mental well-being (see Nature, 432. 670 (2005) DOI: 10.1038/432670a). It was during one of these meetings that he was asked by a member of the society's executive committee, to give an inaugural lecture on 'the study of empathy and compassion, and how meditation affects brain activity'. Some of the critics believe that the Dalai Lama's lecture should be ruled out because of his status as a political and religious figure. One of the reasons for inviting him is that he has views on controlling negative emotions, which is a legitimate area for neuroscience research in the future, says Robert Desimone, director of the McGovern Institute for Brain Research at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. But the SfN needs to distance itself as much as it can from the Dalai Lama and his beliefs, adds Desimone, who opposes the lecture but has not yet signed the petition. Many of the scientists who initiated the protest are of Chinese origin. But they insist that their concerns are purely scientific. Yi Rao a neuroscientist at Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, helped to draft the petition, which says that the science of meditation is a subject with hyperbolic claims, limited research and compromised scientific rigour. The letter singles out one of the key publications in the analysis of meditation, in which Richard Davidson, a psychologist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and his colleagues claim that neural networks are better coordinated in people who are practised in meditation (Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA, 101. 16373 - 16369, 2004) Rao says that the study is flawed, especially in terms of the controls it used, because it compared practising monks in their thirties and forties with much younger university students. Davidson is a respectable scientist, he says, but he has put his respectability on the line with this. Davidson defends his work as the first step in a new field. Meditation research is in its infancy, he says. He helped to arrange the Dalai Lama's talk at the SfN meeting, to be held on 12-16 November. He says that criticism of the lecture on scientific grounds is misplaced, because the Dalai Lama is not claiming to be a scientist. He merely wants to increase scientific attention on the topics that he thinks are important for human welfare, Davidson says. Show me the positios ...Laboratory ResearchClinical ResearchSurgical ResearchStatistical ResearchPsychology ResearchEngineering Research. The lecture is the first in a new series organized by the SfN, billed as dialogues between neuroscience and society. The controversy has ensured that dialogue is already off to a rocky start. The SfN's president, Carol Barnes, says that she is trying to find a resolution to the protest that will not involve cancelling the lecture. But one of the petition's organizers, Jianguo Gu of the University of Florida, says that he and several other scientists will cancel their lectures if the Dalai Lama's talk goes ahead.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
But Krishna never says "let's transcend and see what spontaneouslyhappens", there's never any question about it. It's just anotherversion of the same old-time religion -- kill your enemies and don'tworry about guilt or sin because we have god on our side.-That's right! It's the same as Jews thinking non-jews are lower beasts than dogs, Islamics thinking that if you don't bow down to your neighbors butt five times a day you're a heretic, Christians turning their blazingly fake drop dead smile on you if you sneeze on the cross. Same old shit. There's no question of not killing in the Gita. My Krishna is gonna rip your Kali's heart out Krona. You betcha. I will personally guarentee it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
I especially like the one of the mountain and the one with him in color on the tiger skin. He has a quality that I liked originally in pics of Guru Dev also. Perhaps the fact that neither is smiling yet radiating bliss, or something. Probably impossible to categorize. Anyway, Thanks!I find the pictures alot like houses in rural Iowa and point Midwest, that is, as if plunked down from space ready made. I mean WTF is a man doing on a Tiger skin on a box in a field? Now is that any way to identify the self? Hey Mr. Man on a tiger skin on a box, whatcha doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Still, if he transcends, he'll do the dharmic thing spontaneously, whatever it happens to be that day, according to Arjuan, at any rate. But Krishna never says let's transcend and see what spontaneously happens, there's never any question about it. It's just another version of the same old-time religion -- kill your enemies and don't worry about guilt or sin because we have god on our side. It's a LOT more complex and subtle than that--or than what Llundrub and I were discussing, for that matter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Former Meditator Creates High-Tech Enlightenment...'
I detest the website. How disgustingly commercial. Is this what spirituality is about? Maharishi should have just shot us all dead. - Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Former Meditator Creates High-Tech Enlightenment...' Bill Harris, former TM meditator has discovered, researched and designed, quite a remarkable technology, using certain harmonic tones, to 'force' the brain into greater levels, of synchrony, and at lower frequencies... See: http://www.getsynergized.com/Holosync/index2.html See: http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=faq __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Meditation and the Brain
The NPR segment on meditation and neuroscience is available today online at: www.npr.org L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
Yeah, Oh Merciful Creator. Seems to me in a MAD (mutual assured destruction) situation, it wouldn't matter much who pushed the button first. So I guess I'm missing your point. ---My point is that for Krishna, backing down is not an option.So pushing the button *isn't* the only option.Why are you so sure he wouldn't back down?Because the Gita says he wouldn't. Have you ever heard the joke about the guy on the island with Cindy Crawford? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the pictures alot like houses in rural Iowa and point Midwest, that is, as if plunked down from space ready made. I mean WTF is a man doing on a Tiger skin on a box in a field? Now is that any way to identify the self? Hey Mr. Man on a tiger skin on a box, whatcha doing? Yes, agreed. There is a quality about him that both belongs everywhere and nowhere at all, as you said, as if plunked down from space ready made. Every picture I see of him has that timeless quality to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, Oh Merciful Creator. Seems to me in a MAD (mutual assured destruction) situation, it wouldn't matter much who pushed the button first. So I guess I'm missing your point. ---My point is that for Krishna, backing down is not an option. So pushing the button *isn't* the only option. Why are you so sure he wouldn't back down? Because the Gita says he wouldn't. sigh Have you ever heard the joke about the guy on the island with Cindy Crawford? Nope. Do tell...I always like your stories. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think I'm basically with you, though. On my darker days, I tend to think I could have pissed a better system than we're stuck with. Take away my TM, and I'd be a really gnarly Gnostic. Gnosticism is very cool. I grew up going to Manley P Hall's center. Not that I was into it then but later I read texts from www.gnosis.org and I really like the books not deemed fit to go in the Bible. In particular Jesus' teachings, go figure. Well, I was thinking about the type of Gnosticism that denounces the world as evil, an abortion created by a monstrously incompetent and malevolent lesser deity. The world is as you are...- That Same Guy To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
Have you ever heard the joke about the guy on the island with Cindy Crawford?Nope. Do tell...I always like your stories.---The first few weeks are heaven. Then one day the guy tells Cindy, hey, do me a favor and sit on the other side of the tree and speak in a deep voice. He says "Hey?" -"Yeah?" "Guess what?" -"What?" "I'm on a deserted island with Cindy Crawford. Isn't that great?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The real magic of Harry Potter (no spoilers)
TurquoiseB wrote: The Harry Potter books are a legitimate phenomenon, one that few people understand, although a lot of people claim to. They think that the series' popularity has to do with magic, and a fascination for magic in those who have never really experienced it. They think that the kids (and adults) who are intrigued by these books are intrigued because the world of Harry Potter and Hogwarts School Of Wizardry is so foreign to them, and thus provides an escape into fantasy. I disagree. I think that the real secret of the world of Harry Potter and his friends is that it's so *ordinary*. The wizards and witches and warlocks and giants and werewolves and other creatures who populate the books are *ordinary*. They have their petty likes and dislikes, they have their prejudices, they do things for the same silly and stupid reasons that everyday humans do them. THAT is the brilliance of the concept. Magic isn't presented as extraordinary; it's presented as ordinary. The presence of magic in their lives doesn't suddenly make the lives of these characters perfect and heroic and devoid of pettiness. Magic *coexists* with the problems and the pettiness and the silly emotions and the fighting and the wars and the heroism and the cowardice. There is no *problem* with magic coexisting with all these things. I think there's a lesson in the Harry Potter books for those who wish to spread the concept of enlightenment. So many people paint enlightenment as a panacea, something...uh... magical that happens and then everything is different, perfect. In my experience, that scenario is not only not true, it undercuts the point, which is to spread the dharma, and let more people know about enlightenment. Why would they be interested in something that is portrayed in such glowing, obviously unreal- istic terms? The way enlightenment is described by many teachers and many traditions, it's *obviously* a fantasy; it just couldn't exist like that. And, IMO, it doesn't, and never has. What the world needs is a book or set of books that does for enlightenment what the Harry Potter books have done for magic -- make it ordinary, everyday. Because it is. It doesn't *replace* everyday life, with its trials and tribulations and pettiness and glories. It merely adds to that life, supplements it. The most valuable teaching about enlightenment I know of is, Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water; after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. Enlightenment changes nothing. But everything is changed, because enlight- enment is added into the mix. I suspect that if more teachers talked like that, instead of putting the enlightened up on a pedestal, and the concept of enlightenment up there with it, more people would actually become enlightened. Unc What I am wondering if Rowling really writes these books or a team writes them and Rowling is the representative author? I know a very popular author who frequently has a book on the top ten bestseller lists whose publicist is on the cover of the book and represents him at events, on TV and on interviews. The public thinks the publicist is the author and given that the author is using a pen name anyway what difference does it make? The actual author is very prolific and writes under several pen names and is reclusive. Bring out a camera and he disappears in a flash. :) He lives in a rural community because his wife is from there but has several homes in different parts of the world and writes in a house across the stateline for tax reasons. - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Former Meditator Creates High-Tech Enlightenment...'
Someone sent me these as a gift a couple of years ago (the Centrepointe CD's). Interesting stuff, but hardly unique--a lot of people are selling the same thing (e.g. Chopra, Weil, etc.). Now I'm apparently on this guys mailing list for the rest of my life. On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: Bill Harris, former TM meditator has discovered, researched and designed, quite a remarkable technology, using certain harmonic tones, to 'force' the brain into greater levels, of synchrony, and at lower frequencies... See: http://www.getsynergized.com/Holosync/index2.html See: http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=faq
[FairfieldLife] the Kiosk and a world where everything CAN be positve
From: scienceofabundance Date: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:31 pm Subject: Re: PS: From A World Where Everything **WILL** Be Positive!! scienceofabu... She used to be here in the beginning, but she did not like the negativity, so she went and created her own group where she decides what can be posted and what cannot. Dear FairfieldLifers, I don't read FFL, but a friend sent me the interchange in which someone posted my post to the Kiosk. I got a chuckle from it, and indeed agree from past experience that many of the posters on FFL are more in need of spankings (puntative, not recreational) for their peevish, pouting posts they try to pass off as intelligent analysis but which is actually only the whining of chronically dissatisfied personalities who don't have the maturity to get beyond their small-minded egos. Even the most loving mother can lose her temper when the kids act like brats. I haven't lost my temper but as Hafiz says, Sometimes (even) God gets TIRED of speaking sweetly. If I get tired of speaking sweetly at the Kiosk, I could always come visit FFL where so many brilliant minds are solving world problems. :-) Even so, there are kinder ways my opinion could have been expressed. That's what the Kiosk is about--speaking the sweet truth, as the Vedas say, or as the Bible says, think on these things (that are good, pleasant, honorable, of good report, etc.) Yes, I know that it is honestly hard for some of you to understand that being positive doesn't equate to being brain-dead. If I recall, I myself thought that at one time, that if one didn't criticize then it must because one didn't have the intelligence to do so. But this is mistaking CRITICISM for CRITICAL THINKING--they're not the same thing at all! One can be a critical thinker, functioning in full self-referral discrimination, and even be in protest against something--all without ever being negative. Even though there are (or were when I was on it) some really wonderful and highly evolved people on FFL, but being critical in the FFL sense is often not mature critique or the honorable discussions of the wise making discriminations on fine points of knowledge. Rather it is an ego puffing, us-versus them mentality, the kind of thinking that says WE are better, smarter, more enlightened than THEM, that THEY are so bad that they deserve to be ridiculed, scorned, and rejected by those of us who are too wise to be taken in by their nonsense. But don't you see, anything spoken with sarcasm or scorn is a put-down, and put-downs are personal wars. The Vedas say there are two reasons for speech. One is to expand Knowledge and the other is to expand ego. Criticism is all about the personal war, the ego's need to feel seperate. It is divisive, dualistic. Its gives us a sense of superiority and personal power. When FFL posters write with sarcastic wit, bash saints and cast doubts on people and ideas, do you notice that you get a feeling of power? That's ego feeding on that negativity. It carries a particular pleasure with it that for some is addictive. But even if you are right, what is gained? Criticism destroys fine levels of feeling and distorts more delicate truths. For instance, wouldn't you agree that ScienceofAbundance makes it sound like I created the Kiosk because I am an unrealistic bliss-ninny who just wants to be controlling? What was your reaction when you read that? Something similiar to the feeling you get when you smash a bad-guy ship in a computer game? Like you've WON something? This is ego. Some people criticize because they think it solves problems by defining them. But what is gained by criticizing people who are not there either to defend themselves or to hear and understand, or by using criticisms based on hearsay and personal opinion, and giving authority to one's opinions by using a tone of scorn? So comes of this except to encourage doubt, fear, dislike and disrespect? We are none of us perfect beings. We all make mistakes and do stupid things and blunder around like jack-asses at times; even very enlightened people make relative mistakes in judgment and behavior. Evenutually ALL of us wake up to our mistakes. Oh s**t, how could I be so stupid? So how would you want others to behave toward you when you make mistakes? Of all the possible solutions to problems, criticism is the least effective. The ONLY good it does is to make the criticizer and those who agree with him feel good. It makes everyone else miserable. It creates defensive anger (like you perhaps felt reading the beginning of this post?). Criticism reduces life flow and is discouraging. It takes away hope for positive change. It closes the door to positive solutions or to real understanding. It smashes fine feelings. And what goes around comes around. Someday it will be your turn to stand in front of the judge. What will the judge see in you to criticize, and how would you like to be treated at that time? I am not perfect. I have a critical intellect that used to
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Former Meditator Creates High-Tech Enlightenment...'
Robert Gimbel wrote: Bill Harris, former TM meditator has discovered, researched and designed, quite a remarkable technology, using certain harmonic tones, to 'force' the brain into greater levels, of synchrony, and at lower frequencies... See: http://www.getsynergized.com/Holosync/index2.html See: http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=faq I used these kind of things and find them useful as an adjunct. They can massages the brain allowing for blockages to be removed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Meditation alters perceptual rivalry in Tibetan Buddhist monks
Meditation alters perceptual rivalry in Tibetan Buddhist monks By O.L. Carter, D.E. Presti, C. Callistemon, Y. Ungerer, G.B. Liu, and J.D. Pettigrew Source: www.current-biology.com/7 June 2005 /http://www.current-biology.com/content/article/fulltext? uid=PIIS0960982205005580/ Copyright © 2005 Cell Press. Current Biology, Vol 15, R412-R413, Neuroscientific studies of the mind are likely to benefit from the insights and skills of Tibetan Buddhist monks who have practiced the historic tradition of meditative training over many years -- a point made recently at a forum between a selection of Buddhist leaders and distinguished scientists [Barinaga, 2003]. Perceptual rivalries, such as binocular rivalry [Blake et al., 2002] and motion induced blindness [Bonneh et al., 2001], are being used to study the neural mechanisms underlying consciousness and attention [Blake et al., 2002; Mitchell et al., 2004], as they involve fluctuations in conscious awareness despite unchanging external stimulation. Tapping into the ability of Tibetan Buddhist monks to control the flow of items being attended to and accessing consciousness, we found that meditation alters the inherent fluctuations in conscious state associated with perceptual rivalry. With the support of His Holiness the *Dalai **Lama*, a total of 76 Tibetan Buddhist monks varying in experience from 5 to 54 years of training (including three `retreatist' meditators, each with at least 20 years experience in isolated mountain retreats) were tested using non-intrusive perceptual measures at, or near, their mountain retreats in the Himalaya, Zanskar and Ladakhi Ranges of India. Binocular rivalry was induced with head-mounted display goggles (Figure 1A) that presented horizontal and vertical green stationary gratings to the right and left eye, respectively (see Supplemental data available with this article online). In cases where coordinated button-press responses were not possible, verbal reports were recorded. Figure 1. Effects of meditation on perceptual switching. To sse the figure, please klick to /http://www.current-biology.com/content/article/fulltext? uid=PIIS0960982205005580/ (A) Retreatist meditator wearing display goggles. (B) Proportion of monks reporting changes in rivalry switch rate during compassion (Comp) meditation, after and during one-point meditation (slower, light blue; faster, red; stabilization, dark blue; white, no change). (C) A representative frequency histogram showing phase duration (time between perceptual switch) for horizontal, vertical and mixed (grey) percepts after no meditation and (D) the same monk showing longer durations after one-point meditation. Harnessing the skills of highly trained monks to control their mental state, we report results from 23 monks corresponding to two types of meditation, approximately translated as `compassion' (a non-referential contemplation of suffering within the world combined with the emanation of loving kindness) and `one-point' (through the maintained focus of attention on a single object, the mind is calmed and the distracting influences of other internal and external events is reduced). Consistent with a recent study [Lehmann et al., 2001] linking different types of meditation with distinct patterns of neural activity, we found compassion and one-point meditation had similarly differential `functional' effects on the visual switching during rivalry. In contrast to compassion meditation, which led to no observable change in rivalry rate, one-point meditation led to extreme increases in perceptual dominance durations that were reported by 50% of monks after a period of one-point meditation (reports collected via button-press, as shown in Figure 1C,D, or verbally). Additional prolongation/ stabilization was reported (verbally) by the monks when they viewed the rivalry display during one-point meditation (Figure 1B). Within this group, three (including two of the `retreatists') reported complete perceptual stability throughout the entire 5minute meditation period. There was no consistent pattern in the dominant orientation favored. During periods of stabilization, the reported percepts often differed from either of the two presented gratings, with qualitative changes in depth, color and width. In some cases the perceptual dominance was complete; in other cases the non-dominant image remained partially visible. For example, one monk reported the stable dominance of the vertical gratings appearing as three-dimensional columns that were wider, brighter and closer than during normal viewing conditions. During this time the horizontal gratings remained faintly visible: set back in depth, they appeared thin and pale with a slight blue
[FairfieldLife] Re: Immortality questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Living in Fairfield, especially, one can't help but be aware that the actuarial tables apply to Sidhas as much as anyone else. In fact, when you read the obits in the Fairfield Ledger, it seems that nonmeditators tend to live longer than meditators. L B S --- It could also be that there are a lot more older nonmeditators living in Fairfield than there are meditators -- which is why we see a lot of 70/80 year olds passing in the nonmeditator group -- it would appear they live longer. The meditating group does not have a lot of members in that age group - hence we don't see obits for them in the paper. But I suspect our numbers will be high in 20-30 years or so (if we haven't all left town by then). There are more nonmeditators than meditators in every age category. If you see more meditators in a given age group (50-60, for example) croaking, it naturally gives rise to speculation. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are in ignorance, again :-) No, see, that conclusion is purely a product of the distinction-making intellect. It's based on observation of the kinds of things realized people tend to say. It's as if you all need to be reeducated as to what it was like for you before you awakened, at least if you expect to be able to converse with those in ignorance. Yes, after participating on FFL for the past few years I have reluctantly come to believe that no really meaningful discussion can be held on that particular subject -- hence the wise not speaking and so on. *Except* with those who are *on the brink* as it were :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the Kiosk and a world where everything CAN be positve
Anyone who is so brainwashed that she thinks of critics as enemies deserves only my pity. That's my version of behaving kindly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sharalyn Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: scienceofabundance Date: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:31 pm Subject: Re: PS: From A World Where Everything **WILL** Be Positive!! scienceofabu... She used to be here in the beginning, but she did not like the negativity, so she went and created her own group where she decides what can be posted and what cannot. Dear FairfieldLifers, I don't read FFL, but a friend sent me the interchange in which someone posted my post to the Kiosk. I got a chuckle from it, and indeed agree from past experience that many of the posters on FFL are more in need of spankings (puntative, not recreational) for their peevish, pouting posts they try to pass off as intelligent analysis but which is actually only the whining of chronically dissatisfied personalities who don't have the maturity to get beyond their small-minded egos. Even the most loving mother can lose her temper when the kids act like brats. I haven't lost my temper but as Hafiz says, Sometimes (even) God gets TIRED of speaking sweetly. If I get tired of speaking sweetly at the Kiosk, I could always come visit FFL where so many brilliant minds are solving world problems. :-) Even so, there are kinder ways my opinion could have been expressed. That's what the Kiosk is about--speaking the sweet truth, as the Vedas say, or as the Bible says, think on these things (that are good, pleasant, honorable, of good report, etc.) Yes, I know that it is honestly hard for some of you to understand that being positive doesn't equate to being brain-dead. If I recall, I myself thought that at one time, that if one didn't criticize then it must because one didn't have the intelligence to do so. But this is mistaking CRITICISM for CRITICAL THINKING--they're not the same thing at all! One can be a critical thinker, functioning in full self-referral discrimination, and even be in protest against something--all without ever being negative. Even though there are (or were when I was on it) some really wonderful and highly evolved people on FFL, but being critical in the FFL sense is often not mature critique or the honorable discussions of the wise making discriminations on fine points of knowledge. Rather it is an ego puffing, us-versus them mentality, the kind of thinking that says WE are better, smarter, more enlightened than THEM, that THEY are so bad that they deserve to be ridiculed, scorned, and rejected by those of us who are too wise to be taken in by their nonsense. But don't you see, anything spoken with sarcasm or scorn is a put-down, and put-downs are personal wars. The Vedas say there are two reasons for speech. One is to expand Knowledge and the other is to expand ego. Criticism is all about the personal war, the ego's need to feel seperate. It is divisive, dualistic. Its gives us a sense of superiority and personal power. When FFL posters write with sarcastic wit, bash saints and cast doubts on people and ideas, do you notice that you get a feeling of power? That's ego feeding on that negativity. It carries a particular pleasure with it that for some is addictive. But even if you are right, what is gained? Criticism destroys fine levels of feeling and distorts more delicate truths. For instance, wouldn't you agree that ScienceofAbundance makes it sound like I created the Kiosk because I am an unrealistic bliss-ninny who just wants to be controlling? What was your reaction when you read that? Something similiar to the feeling you get when you smash a bad-guy ship in a computer game? Like you've WON something? This is ego. Some people criticize because they think it solves problems by defining them. But what is gained by criticizing people who are not there either to defend themselves or to hear and understand, or by using criticisms based on hearsay and personal opinion, and giving authority to one's opinions by using a tone of scorn? So comes of this except to encourage doubt, fear, dislike and disrespect? We are none of us perfect beings. We all make mistakes and do stupid things and blunder around like jack-asses at times; even very enlightened people make relative mistakes in judgment and behavior. Evenutually ALL of us wake up to our mistakes. Oh s**t, how could I be so stupid? So how would you want others to behave toward you when you make mistakes? Of all the possible solutions to problems, criticism is the least effective. The ONLY good it does is to make the criticizer and those who agree with him feel good. It makes everyone else miserable. It creates defensive anger (like you perhaps felt reading the beginning of this post?). Criticism reduces life flow and is discouraging. It takes away hope for positive change. It closes the door to positive solutions
Re: [FairfieldLife] the Kiosk and a world where everything CAN be positve
I could take about three paragraphs. Thank God she's not around anymore. She probably puts her lipstick around her eyes and her liner on her nose for all the self reflection she has. - Original Message - From: Sharalyn Harris To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] the Kiosk and a world where everything CAN be positve From: scienceofabundanceDate: SunJul24,2005 6:31 pmSubject: Re: PS: From A World Where Everything **WILL** Be Positive!!scienceofabu... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Lundrub: Bear with me. Say you have two guys drinking in Tijuana. One of them is buying the drinks, as he does every time. The other guy is his best bud. There are some filthy whores lined against both walls, Mexican on one side, and Vietnamese on the other. Tthe guy buying tells the other, Dude, go fuck the Mexican chick. If you don't everyone will think you're a faggot. If you do I'll buy you another beer. What's the difference between this and the Gita? Judy: Somebody actually gets laid? Lundrub: Somebody gets laid in the Gita too but they leave that part out. TOm T writes: Somebody gets laid, somebody dies, somebody gets enlightened! No difference. No somebody. Stuff happens. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On my arrival in Bombay I was overtaken with emotions of "you are home." I tried putting it in check as some kind of mood making but it would not go away. I felt far more at home in India with the Indian people than I ever have in the US. Perhaps you would feel the same visiting Tibet?;-)- Bhairitu---I knew a rudraksha dealer who got quite used to people bowing to him in India just because he knew a few mantras to the degree that he got himself a fancy title and started believing it. Unfortunately, that shit doesn't go over in the states. Here it's called megalomania. It's much easier to feel superior in India where they peel toilet paper from the rolls like flowers and brush dirt off their kitchen floors to clean them. Perhaps the feeling 'at home' was not so much a past-life experience as the sense of self confidence you would feel going back to fourth grade? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I have to be honest, I have a hard time with these dichotomous labels although of course it's helpful for talking about things--and sure there are Buddhists who are gungho with that label and Hindu tantrics who are the same way. I'm a Nath and Rime (non-sectarian) practitioner and don't see a need to side with a camp or a sect. The Nath are said to 'practice Hinduism by day and Buddhism by night'. The core that just awakens and is not a religion is what appeals to me personally. Both are marvelous. So to answer your question, yeah both and I love them both. My Nath guru was the last holder of a sect of Uttara Kaulas...but he was also recognized as a lama by the Kagyupas, loved taoism and so on. It's a non-sectarian trip, a maxim is don't get caught in limits, don't belong to a school. But I find it important in understanding these schools of thought to delineate. To me to not try to discern is some kind of new age philosophy. I couldn't agree more. At the same time there are blatant similarities which cannot be ignored. For example the Buddhist kalachakra tantra contains an entire Hindu agama inside it, the Shiva-swarodaya. Cave practices done by Tibetan yogis in isolation are also similar those used by Shaivite yogins--the important difference being their View, their POV and cosmology. I respect and understand the reasons for not mixing but I also will always take the opportunity to break bread with other practitioners whenever I can. It's just too compelling to ignore. Don't even get me started on New Age emetics...;-) I don't seem that much semblance between what I've seen in Buddhist tantra and what I've learned in Indian tantra. What we *do* see is the similarity in more abstract terms of shamans, tantrics, witch doctors, voodoo in the manipulation of the realm of physics through supernatural means. IOW, technology that current material based science has yet to comprehend. Well and methods are similar or often the same. It's also important that we're comparing apples to apples--Hindu anuttara tantra to Buddhist anuttara tantra. Most Hindu tantras that I see people practicing are outer tantras, so it is important to know what type of tantra we're talking about. There are entire tantras which we can see in Shaivism--particularly Kapalika ones--which made their way into Tantric Buddhism. And vice versa. There were many practices which made their way from Bon and Dzogchen to Kashmir Hindu yogis. Alain Danielou has done a great job at showing the 'what and how' of Shaivism that made it's way into Buddhism; conversely Bon and Nyingma practitioners have told how their trads. were shared in the opposite flow. Really it is quite amazing as the kingdom of Zhang Zhung--the trad. region of Tibetan culture centered around Mt. Kailash--is home to many teachings other than Buddhism. Kailash is the sacred abode to Shiva and Parvati, the Taoists, the Bonpos and others. It's an exciting web of possibilities. He is a married lama and translator--IIRC he has a good amount of exposure to Hindu tantra, but practices Buddha-dharma and Dzogchen. The translation in question is a Buddhist version of the lives of the 84 Mahasiddhas and so for that reason the intro. covers that context primarily. There is a belief that many of the Indiaphiles are actually reincarnates of people who in the twentieth century died in the upheavals in India and Tibet are that is why some are attracted to Hindu thought and some to Buddhist. - Bhairitu Yeah I know some who have memories of the Tibetan and Islamic diaspora in Tibet and in India. What can I say...god recycles ;-). On my arrival in Bombay I was overtaken with emotions of you are home. I tried putting it in check as some kind of mood making but it would not go away. I felt far more at home in India with the Indian people than I ever have in the US. Perhaps you would feel the same visiting Tibet? Maybe. I've always been very happy wherever I was. Except maybe Florida in the summertime... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief -- but the distinction is still somewhat moot to me. I am not speaking of a casual surface- mind belief here, but rather the core-belief in self-other separation, something believed with the entire (conscious) bodymind. I think using the term belief muddles rather than clarifies. I think perhaps *anything* I say is going to muddle rather than clarify, so perhaps I should just wise up and shut up :-) snip The best it can do is deny Perfection Now It doesn't deny it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. Yes, I found that ignorance to be an active (albeit previously- unconscious) denial or *ignoring* of Wholeness. That's what you find it *now*. That is not what you found it *then*. That was what I found -- in myself -- immediately upon awakening, yes. It cannot be any other way or it would be useless for physical survival. Interesting! Is that true? My understanding is the only thing it was really concerned with was its own survival *as a separate entity,* with the assumption of separation allowing it (in my case) to continually judge itself as better than/less than the other, etc. Yes, Rory, evolution operates on the level of biology. Biologically, we're separate individuals, and our physical survival as individuals--and as a species, at least in a state of nature--requires a mental apparatus that is designed for making distinctions: this is a stick, that is a poisonous snake. Evolutionarily speaking, the mind was not designed to assist us in realizing Unity. That we are capable of realizing Unity is a peculiar artefact of self-consciousness. I think maybe our culture was not designed for it, as it has actually been present forever (more obviously at some times than others) and for lack of vocabulary and consensus and so on, it came to be generally ignored (in this particular bodymind) until reading the Upanishads reawoke it, and later TM reawoke it, and finally ceasing TM and acknowledging perfection now stabilized it. I apologize in advance for the serious inaccuracies this paragraph embodies :-) It's not the case that the mind is lazy or naughty or malfunctioning when it defends itself. It's working just as it was designed to work. It did not prove to be necessary (in its old form) for physical survival of the bodymind as US in perfection-now, at any rate. Think about it a little more. I am sorry, I am no great thinker these days. I am only saying our survival does *not now* depend on the intellect in its separatist functioning; that we do not physically die when it ceases to separate us from not-us. I am not saying everything becomes an indistinguishible blob... most of the time :-) And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after realization as well. Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. Yeah, but it's still making distinctions. The traffic light is green, the traffic light is red. This is a bottle of milk, this is a bottle of drain cleaner. Absolutely. Unless we choose to shift the vibration out of this particular movie, it keeps merrily running along, bless its heart :-) snip Maybe it awakens or stimulates some, but any such statements that don't begin, I know this is not your current reality, but my reality is... But you see, I *don't* know that this is not your current reality, other than by your telling me so. I am beginning to believe you, though :-) Believe it. That's what ignorance is, Rory. See? You've forgotten. You're ignorant of ignorance. Absolutely - a memory of a memory and so on ... I am basically asleep or dreaming in most of (my) creation, and there is not much to really grab my attention until I stir and begin to wake -- then the fun begins :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It worries me a little to think what might happen if a significant number of people become realized. If they all behave like this--with the best will in the world--toward those still in ignorance, there's going to be trouble. One further thought: unconditional love and compassion is not the same as empathy. Without empathy--and a good healthy dose of common sense--unconditional love and compassion may end up doing more harm than good. Empathizing doesn't mean accepting; it *does* mean being able to acknowledge, and to tread carefully. I *do* acknowledge your assessment of your condition, and that for you your assessment of you is realer than mine is of you (as of course it must and should be, if we are separate); but what is it I am to tread carefully around? *Feelings*. Yes; feelings are most important. What feelings are arising that you would like me to tread carefully around? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are in ignorance, again :-) No, see, that conclusion is purely a product of the distinction-making intellect. It's based on observation of the kinds of things realized people tend to say. It's as if you all need to be reeducated as to what it was like for you before you awakened, at least if you expect to be able to converse with those in ignorance. I don't mean to sound snappish, by the way. I'm just trying to be as clear as I possibly can be. No, no, it's OK -- you are reminding me that I am unable to actually discuss this with those in ignorance. The trouble is, my heart does *not* see you in ignorance :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are in ignorance, again :-) No, see, that conclusion is purely a product of the distinction-making intellect. It's based on observation of the kinds of things realized people tend to say. It's as if you all need to be reeducated as to what it was like for you before you awakened, at least if you expect to be able to converse with those in ignorance. I don't mean to sound snappish, by the way. I'm just trying to be as clear as I possibly can be. No, no, it's OK -- you are reminding me that I am unable to actually discuss this with those in ignorance. The trouble is, my heart does *not* see you in ignorance :-) As Coach used to say, Argue for your limitations and they're yours. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sorry, I keep having further thoughts on this: The mind can certainly get into making distinctions that go way beyond what's needed for survival, to the point where it becomes actually *harmful* to the physical survival of the individual, even the entire species. Agreed! snip And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after realization as well. Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. I'd suggest it gets whittled back to making the kinds of distinctions that are necessary for survival, albeit perhaps survival more broadly defined than the merely keep-me-alive- long-enough-to-pass-on-my-genes variety. *lol* Yeah, I don't think my genes are going anywhere :-) And it seems survival/desires have become completely autonomic: that the larger bodymind (inside and out) and everyone in it takes care of everything pretty nicely -- unless out of old habit I should choose to get in there and override, micromanage, and generally screw things up. Even so the homeostatic balance reasserts itself pretty quickly :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real magic of Harry Potter (no spoilers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And, IMO, it doesn't, and never has. What the world needs is a book or set of books that does for enlightenment what the Harry Potter books have done for magic -- make it ordinary, everyday. Because it is. It doesn't *replace* everyday life, with its trials and tribulations and pettiness and glories. It merely adds to that life, supplements it. The most valuable teaching about enlightenment I know of is, Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water; after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. Enlightenment changes nothing. But everything is changed, because enlight- enment is added into the mix. I suspect that if more teachers talked like that, instead of putting the enlightened up on a pedestal, and the concept of enlightenment up there with it, more people would actually become enlightened. Nice observations; agreed! Only by throwing all the so-called criteria away did ordinary/extraordinary Reality reawaken here, at any rate. We stumble headlong into THAT, warts and all :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Llundrub wrote: On my arrival in Bombay I was overtaken with emotions of you are home. I tried putting it in check as some kind of mood making but it would not go away. I felt far more at home in India with the Indian people than I ever have in the US. Perhaps you would feel the same visiting Tibet? ;-) - Bhairitu ---I knew a rudraksha dealer who got quite used to people bowing to him in India just because he knew a few mantras to the degree that he got himself a fancy title and started believing it. Unfortunately, that shit doesn't go over in the states. Here it's called megalomania. It's much easier to feel superior in India where they peel toilet paper from the rolls like flowers and brush dirt off their kitchen floors to clean them. Perhaps the feeling 'at home' was not so much a past-life experience as the sense of self confidence you would feel going back to fourth grade? Have you been to India? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
