[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone against abortion in order to choose gender?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, if abortion on demand is okay with you, certainly you have no > objections to abortions in order to determine the gender of your > child, do you? > > In other words, if you're looking to have "excellent male offspring" > and a prenatal scan shows a "girl" fetus, do you have any objections > to aborting the girl fetus and to keep aborting girl fetuses until a > male one pops up? > Basically I'm for free abortion, when it is done in early stages of pregnancy. Of course other birth control methods are much more preferable. It should be the woman's right to decide, no pressure for abortion from outside. Although the idea of aborting girl fetuses feels really distorted. The need of male offspring is created by patriarchal society. That problem dissolves only by the society evolving beyond that structure. In a heavily patriarchal society, if abortion is not permitted, it is possible that baby girls are killed. I was myself born as an unwanted child to a 19-year-old immature teenager. And my mother kept telling me how I had spoiled her life and was also physically violent towards me. I don't want that fate to anyone. Every child should feel that she is welcome and loved. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Original Chinese Fake
The Original Chinese Fake A rivetting, first league biography of Mao, that tells the man from the self-manufactured myth, says Ashok Malik Posted online: Sunday, July 31, 2005 IT is a measure of just how thoroughly Jung Chang and Jon Halliday researched their subject that their footnotes and index stretch to 153 pages. The 659 pages that make up the main story are packed with facts, information, revelations about, really, not just Mao but the tempestuous history of China from the end of the Manchu empire in a decade when imperial orders from Turkey to Germany to Austria collapsed to years of civil war, to the surreal violence of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, to 1975 and 1976, when, within 17 months of each other, Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Tse-tung died and ended one of historys great rivalries. Yet the strength of this book is not just in what it says but how it says it. Jung Chang and Halliday have produced a first-class biography, a rivetting read that, in some sections, resembles a thriller. In particular, chapter 52 Falling out with Lin Biao is racy cloak and dagger stuff. It ends with Lin Biao and his wife and son fleeing China, only to die in a mysterious air crash. This chapter, more than most others perhaps, brings out the mad dystopia that China had become in Maos last days. In seems an almost unreal world today; yet it is so remarkably evocative of the shadowy and conspiratorial inner chambers of Cold War-era dictators. One manifestation of this was in the use of language. When Lin sought to ridicule a Mao protege the party no. 7, Zhang Chunqiao he called him the Cobra... partly because he wore glasses, and partly because of his snake-like qualities. Lins coterie demanded the Cobra be put to the death of the thousand cuts. Lins son Li-guo, nicknamed the Tiger, is the books doomed tragic hero His parents worshipped him, and his mother had sent agents all over China to look for the most beautiful young woman to be his wife. Tiger chose a sexy fiancee who was intelligent... With her he listened to Western rock music, which he adored, and told her: There will be a day when I will let the Chinese know there is such wonderful music in the world. In 1971, Lins son produced Outline of Project 571: Tiger chose the name because 571 wu-qi-yi has the same pronunciation in Chinese as armed uprising. The paper was an indictment of Mao called B-52 by Tiger, because he had a big stomach full of evil thoughts, each one like a heavy bomb that would kill masses of people who deserved assassination. One plan was to fly helicopters on a suicide mission against Mao on Tiananmen Gate. Tiger, say the authors, saw right through Mao ... as evil. Indeed, establishing this assessment is the principal theme of the book. Jung Chang and Halliday take pains to tell the Mao the man from his self-glorifying myths. They point out he happily invented the heroic crossing of the Dadu river during the Long March, with as Edgar P Snow wrote, being fed the version by Mao Reds... moving forward on their hands and knees, tossing grenade after grenade into the enemy machine-gun nest. The book debunks the story: There was no battle at the Dadu Bridge... There were no Nationalist troops... no battle casualties. The 22-man vanguard who, according to the myth, stormed the bridge in a suicide attack were all alive and well at a celebration the following week. In truth, Mao simply walked across the Dadu Bridge on 31 May 1935. The Dadu Bridge (non)-episode was characteristic of a man ideologically rather vague with no heartfelt commitment to anything other than himself. Indeed Mao joined the Party only when it asked him to manage a bookshop: Mao had become a Communist not after an idealistic journey, or driven by passionate belief, but by being at the right place at the right time, and being given a job that was highly congenial to him. He had been effectively incorporated into an expanding organisation. So in the end, the greatest Communist was only a careerist. Theres hope yet for the UPA government. by Ashok Malik __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
What amazes me about this particular run-on piece of rhetoric is that none of the True Believers who read it seem to be standing up and saying, "Hey! Wait a cotton-picking minute! Isn't this the exact OPPOSITE message than the one you started the TM movement with?" The orginial message was one of self-sufficiency and hope. Transcendence (enabled by TM) was all that was necessary to realize one's enlightenment. The prac- titioner didn't need to believe in anything or anyone to realize enlightenment. He didn't *need* anyone or anything to realize enlightenment. One simply trans- cended, contacted infinity within himself, and over time came to live that infinity as an all-time reality. In this model, your environment and your diet and your medical preferences had no power to "keep you" from enlightenment, because the Way to enlightenment was completely in your own hands, via meditation. (And it should be stated that this original message has proven TRUE for many people.) The "new" message is one of constriction and dependence. Basically, what is being said is that the thing that enables or defeats your ability to realize enlightenment is your home builder. If you live in a "bad," unapproved building, you'd best forget about enlightenment. Only if you live in one of *our* "approved" buildings do you have a shot at the Big E. Not only is it ludicrous, not only is it against every teaching ever offered by every realized master in the history of the world, not only is it patently impractical and unachievable, but it is ALSO (IMO) *criminal* in its suggestion of *dependence*. The enlightenment of the world is being described as *dependent* on the actions of those in the TM movement. The poor, huddled, unen- lightened masses are basically going to stay that way unless the enlightened elite of the TMO have their way and rebuild the world in a proper vastu configuration. It's Ego Incarnate. I can understand how those who have submerged their egos into the TMO ego might actually *like* thinking of themselves as This Important. But don't ANY of them have memories? Don't ANY of them have the ability to remember back to the original message of TM and liberation by the individual, for the individual, of the individual, with no dependencies except the willingness to meditate regularly? Don't ANY of them remember the simplicity and the intuitive appeal of the original message? Have ALL of the TBs gone as crazy as Maharishi has? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Global Country of World Peace Maharishi Celebrates 50 Years of His Spiritual Regeneration Movement Launches Global Reconstruction Program to Create Permanent World Peace Builders, Developers, Financiers Invited to Construct Ideal Vastu Colonies Surrounding Every Major City His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who 50 years ago founded his worldwide Spiritual Regeneration Movement, this week launched a program for the reconstruction of the entire world. "Everywhere, we find that people are not living in buildings constructed in conformity with Natural Law. As a result, people suffer and experience negativity of so many kinds, not knowing that the design of their home is the cause of their suffering. "Unless everyone begins to live and work in buildings constructed with proper Vastuutilising Sthapatya Veda, the Vedic knowledge of architecture in harmony with Natural Lawworld peace will always remain a big question mark," Maharishi said. To correct the wrong that has prevailed for > centuries, Maharishi's Global Reconstruction Program for Permanent World Peace is now being initiated in every big city of the world. Maharishi has issued a strong appeal to builders, developers, and financiers in every country to join this programme and start constructing homes, offices, schools, hospitals, and factories in accord with Natural Law. "Everyone will naturally desire to live and work in these fortune-promoting and peace- creating buildings," Maharishi said. The first stage of Maharishi's program of global reconstruction is now getting underway with plans to construct ideal Vastu Peace Colonies of a few hundred acres each in the north, south, east, and west of every major city. Golden Jubilee "Guru Purnima" celebrations Maharishi launched this historic initiative during his Golden Jubilee "Guru Purnima" conference which began on 21 July and is still continuing. Presiding over the conference is His Majesty Maharaja Nader Raam, First Ruler of the Global Country of World > Peace, along with his 22 Rajas (Administrators) and eight Cabinet Ministers. Over 1500 leaders of Maharishi's Movement from 58 countries are attending the conference at the Capital of the Global Country of World Peace in Meru, Holland. Guru Purnima is celebrated every year on the full-moon day in July in honour of the eternal tradition of Vedic masters who have safeguarded in its completeness and purity the knowle
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vacation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Peeps, It's been real fun but tomorrow I'm going on vacation > for two weeks so try to get through the day without me. > Love - Llundrub Have fun, dude. We'll struggle by without you... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
And accurate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was funny. > > - Original Message - > From: Peter > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] news from Global country > > > Starting to sound like a Dr. Bronner's Soap label! > > --- Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Global Country of World Peace Maharishi Celebrates > > 50 Years of His Spiritual Regeneration Movement > > Launches Global Reconstruction Program to Create > > Permanent World Peace Builders, Developers, > > Financiers Invited to Construct Ideal Vastu Colonies > > Surrounding Every Major City His Holiness Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Starting to sound like a Dr. Bronner's Soap label! > > And every bit as true!!! > > Seriously, this is what MMY has said for decades, just not quite > as stream-of-consciousness in the press releases. Seriously, this is the OPPOSITE of what Maharishi has said for decades. The fact that you don't see this is a little scary. The original message was that nothing in one's environ- ment could prevent enlightenment. The new message is that the world can't be enlightened unless it is basic- ally torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. It's the difference between belief in unity and the ability of the individual to transcend the appearance of duality (which has no reality), and a belief in the binding and real nature of duality, in which the only path to enlightenment is to focus on the duality and rebuild it -- for a profit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus! (Paradise Lost?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Granted both Heaven and Hell exist here on Earth. Nonetheless, each > seems to exist separately too. Does anyone have a book to recommend > that would enumerate and describe a cognition of them, with distinct > characteristics for each Heaven and each Hell? Does the Tibetan Book > of the Dead do this? I think that the best approach to bring to any study of the different lokas or planes of existence is that they *don't* have physical existence anywhere, that they are mental constructs. Thus they can exist in the mind of the person as he lives here on Earth, and they can exist in the mind of the person who is going through the Bardo between death and rebirth. But they exist *only* in the mind, and thus can be transcended at any moment, in life or in death. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote something that ended in this quote: > > "The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly has made the > world evil and ugly." -Edgar Allen Poe Compare and contrast to the newest proclamations from the TMO. It states that the problem with the world is that it is (from a vastu point of view) evil and ugly. The only real suggestion given for how to get beyond this and realize one's infinite nature is to rebuild the evil and ugly world physically. It's such a step backwards in the thinking of the TM movement that it shocks even me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are only allowed to read the following paragraph on one in- > breath! Will future TMers, trying to distance themselves from the craziness of Maharishi's last days, claim "I didn't inhale?" :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Global Country of World Peace Maharishi Celebrates 50 Years of His > Spiritual Regeneration Movement Launches Global Reconstruction > Program to Create Permanent World Peace Builders, Developers, > Financiers Invited to Construct Ideal Vastu Colonies Surrounding > Every Major City His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who 50 years > ago founded his worldwide Spiritual Regeneration Movement, this week > launched a program for the reconstruction of the entire > world. "Everywhere, we find that people are not living in buildings > constructed in conformity with Natural Law. As a result, people > suffer and experience negativity of so many kinds, not knowing that > the design of their home is the cause of their suffering. "Unless > everyone begins to live and work in buildings constructed with > proper Vastuutilising Sthapatya Veda, the Vedic knowledge of > architecture in harmony with Natural Lawworld peace will always > remain a big question mark," Maharishi said. To correct the wrong > that has prevailed for > > centuries, Maharishi's Global Reconstruction Program for > Permanent World Peace is now being initiated in every big city of > the world. Maharishi has issued a strong appeal to builders, > developers, and financiers in every country to join this programme > and start constructing homes, offices, schools, hospitals, and > factories in accord with Natural Law. "Everyone will naturally > desire to live and work in these fortune-promoting and peace- > creating buildings," Maharishi said. The first stage of Maharishi's > program of global reconstruction is now getting underway with plans > to construct ideal Vastu Peace Colonies of a few hundred acres each > in the north, south, east, and west of every major city. Golden > Jubilee "Guru Purnima" celebrations Maharishi launched this historic > initiative during his Golden Jubilee "Guru Purnima" conference which > began on 21 July and is still continuing. Presiding over the > conference is His Majesty Maharaja Nader Raam, First Ruler of the > Global Country of World > > Peace, along with his 22 Rajas (Administrators) and eight Cabinet > Ministers. Over 1500 leaders of Maharishi's Movement from 58 > countries are attending the conference at the Capital of the Global > Country of World Peace in Meru, Holland. Guru Purnima is celebrated > every year on the full-moon day in July in honour of the eternal > tradition of Vedic masters who have safeguarded in its completeness > and purity the knowledge of Total Natural Lawthe Veda, the > Constitution of the Universewhich administers the universe with > perfect order. The safest approach to world peace is through Natural > Law Maharishi explained that for peace to be permanent in the world, > every country has to be integrated and invincible, and its citizens > have to be healthy, wealthy, and wise. "The Global Country of World > Peace has developed a program to establish permanent world peace, > which fulfils the requirement of both nations and individuals," > Maharishi said. "For this, our main principle is to follow the > > evolutionary path of Total Natural Law. With the availability of > fortune-promoting and peace-creating Vastu housing, and the > development of higher states of consciousness through the practice > of Transcendental Meditation, its advanced techniques, and Yogic > Flying, we will create world peace very quickly." Scientific > research verifies the efficacy of the programs of the Global Country > of World Peace Scientific research has verified the efficacy of the > programs of the Global Country of World Peace to create a healthy > and peaceful life. The benefits of the programs have been confirmed > by over 600 scientific research studies, conducted at more than 250 > universities and research institutes in 30 countries, and published > in more than 100 research journals. These papers have been reprinted > from the journals in seven volumes of Collected Papers (over 6,000 > pages). Parliaments of Builder to Reconstruct the World Maharishi > announced that Parliaments of Builders to Reconstruct the World are > > now being formed in every country. The Parliaments of Builders > are being established on four levelscity, provincial, national, and > global"to quickly achieve the laudable goals of healthy life and > world peace," Maharishi said. A wide gate of peace, prosperity, and > happiness for everyone "Through the knowledge of the Vedathe > Constitution of the Universe, the Light of Godwe have successfully > put together modern science, a
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country & The Big E...
--You are right, about the beginning of the movement; and it's original intention: Spiritual Regeneration. And it was said, that all you need to do, was TM twice a day, etc., etc. Now, it does seem, like there are other aspects to the whole thing; framed in the Revival of the Vedic Knowledge. One things I've noticed about Maharishi, is that he seems to want to really solidify this Vedic Knowledge, in structured way, as to preserve it and demonstrate it's effect on life, and how it's now structured, to a Vedic structure. I think Maharishi is very into structure. And it seems that this is a final step in establishing structures, which would radiate Vedic Knowledge and Wisdom. He seems to feel that the Vedic culture is being lost in India; and also seems to resent the British influence over India, over the centuries. I don't see the harm in wanting to create beautiful structures, and nutritious organic food, and reciting hymns of the Vedas, and teaching advanced techniques in the Yogic Tradition. It is sad, that more people aren't included or attracted to these wonderful structures, and wonderful food, as it would be great thing, if thousands upon thousands of communities popped up, around the globe, having deep meditations experiences, wonderful depth of enlightened living, enlightened community, wonderful pure food to eat. That would be nice. Maybe it cost billions of dollars to make something like that happen. I don't know; seems that it could be accomplished for much less. Seems like it has more to do with passion and motivation. Yes, it would be nice to Spiritually Regenerate, the world, and the humans in it. And it is happening, here and there, just not everywhere. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What amazes me about this particular run-on piece of > rhetoric is that none of the True Believers who read > it seem to be standing up and saying, "Hey! Wait a > cotton-picking minute! Isn't this the exact OPPOSITE > message than the one you started the TM movement with?" > > The orginial message was one of self-sufficiency and > hope. Transcendence (enabled by TM) was all that was > necessary to realize one's enlightenment. The prac- > titioner didn't need to believe in anything or anyone > to realize enlightenment. He didn't *need* anyone or > anything to realize enlightenment. One simply trans- > cended, contacted infinity within himself, and over > time came to live that infinity as an all-time reality. > In this model, your environment and your diet and > your medical preferences had no power to "keep you" > from enlightenment, because the Way to enlightenment > was completely in your own hands, via meditation. (And > it should be stated that this original message has > proven TRUE for many people.) > > The "new" message is one of constriction and dependence. > Basically, what is being said is that the thing that > enables or defeats your ability to realize enlightenment > is your home builder. If you live in a "bad," unapproved > building, you'd best forget about enlightenment. Only if > you live in one of *our* "approved" buildings do you have > a shot at the Big E. > > Not only is it ludicrous, not only is it against every > teaching ever offered by every realized master in the > history of the world, not only is it patently impractical > and unachievable, but it is ALSO (IMO) *criminal* in its > suggestion of *dependence*. The enlightenment of the > world is being described as *dependent* on the actions > of those in the TM movement. The poor, huddled, unen- > lightened masses are basically going to stay that way > unless the enlightened elite of the TMO have their way > and rebuild the world in a proper vastu configuration. > > It's Ego Incarnate. I can understand how those who have > submerged their egos into the TMO ego might actually > *like* thinking of themselves as This Important. But don't > ANY of them have memories? Don't ANY of them have the > ability to remember back to the original message of TM > and liberation by the individual, for the individual, > of the individual, with no dependencies except the > willingness to meditate regularly? Don't ANY of them > remember the simplicity and the intuitive appeal of > the original message? Have ALL of the TBs gone as > crazy as Maharishi has? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Global Country of World Peace Maharishi Celebrates 50 Years of His > Spiritual Regeneration Movement Launches Global Reconstruction > Program to Create Permanent World Peace Builders, Developers, > Financiers Invited to Construct Ideal Vastu Colonies Surrounding > Every Major City His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who 50 years > ago founded his worldwide Spiritual Regeneration Movement, this week > launched a program for the reconstruction of the entire > world. "Everywhere, we find that people are not living in buildings > co
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
Have you thought of addressing this particular issue to Maharishi, by posing a question at the weekly news conference? A couple other questions; why is so much emphasis placed on the flying sutra, and why is it so important to gain mastery over gravity. Why is it that "flying" is pushed so hard, when this approach, usually turns off most people who wish to start TM. How do developing these powers appear to relate to the desire for The Big E, enlightenment, and for people just starting TM. Maharishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Maharishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly has made the > > world evil and ugly." -Edgar Allen Poe > > Compare and contrast to the newest proclamations from > the TMO. It states that the problem with the world is > that it is (from a vastu point of view) evil and ugly. > The only real suggestion given for how to get beyond > this and realize one's infinite nature is to rebuild > the evil and ugly world physically. > > It's such a step backwards in the thinking of the TM > movement that it shocks even me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you thought of addressing this particular issue to Maharishi, > by posing a question at the weekly news conference? > > Maharishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Maharishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I have not, because 1) I somehow doubt that a question posed by someone who has been officially off the program for 25+ years is gonna get posed, and 2) I am unconvinced that Maharishi wants to actually *deal* with such ques- tions at this point. I am convinced (sadly) that what Maharishi is doing (possibly subconsciously) is providing the True Believers with an "easy out" that they can latch onto to explain why they and the TMO has had so little effect on the world and the world's consciousness after all this time and all this big talk. With TM as the focus, if not enough people learned it you had to take some of the responsibility for this on your own shoulders -- you just didn't present its benefits well enough. With the Siddhis, there is less of a feeling of failure, because they're a "tougher sell" -- most of the world is preprogrammed to believe that they can't possibly exist, so the failure is on the part of all those ignorant masses, not those in the TMO. The latest boondoggle is the *ultimate* rejection of responsibility for Not Having Done Enough. The problem isn't even with the ignorant masses; it's with the buildings they live in; nothing can really be done to enlighten the world until all these "bad" buildings are torn down and replaced with "good" buildings. It's a "solution" that can NEVER be achieved, and thus those who believe in it NEVER have to feel any sense of failure. The focus on the building project is, in my opinion, to provide the True Believers in the TMO with an EXCUSE for why their efforts all these years, and all the money they've contributed all these years, has gone to naught and created no appreciable change in the world. It's the world's fault, not theirs. > > > "The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly has > > > made the world evil and ugly." -Edgar Allen Poe > > > > Compare and contrast to the newest proclamations from > > the TMO. It states that the problem with the world is > > that it is (from a vastu point of view) evil and ugly. > > The only real suggestion given for how to get beyond > > this and realize one's infinite nature is to rebuild > > the evil and ugly world physically. > > > > It's such a step backwards in the thinking of the TM > > movement that it shocks even me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Love/Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Originally the goal was stated as: Spiritual Regeneration of the > World; > And that still seems like the best way to frame the goal, if we are > seeking an enlightened world. > In my mind this idea of Spiritual Regeneration is a good way to > describe the goal; > Perhaps through the years, spiritual regeneration, got side-tracked in > other goals? Why do you say this? > In any case, it still seems that; "spirital regeneration" is still the > basic need which is lacking.> True enough. > > > > > > This whole post goes to the point of my dislike of Maharishi. On > the one hand we have a scientifically proven technique to help > humankind, but on the other it appeals to the mystical fanaticism of > the practitioner to imbue it with other worldly qualities. > > > > I believe that Maharishi uses the language of Christian Mysticism > with references to Heaven on Earth and so on, playing upon the latent > apostle complex of his closest followers to create his movement. He > plays both sides against the middle. > > > > I guess my main thing, is Irmeli, as you said, clarity and plain > dealing. And I don't find that to be the case in TMO. So I must say > that it's an institution that lies. That being the case, one can > wonder what the real goal of the institution is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I was in school, public school, I remember they read a > passage > > from the Bible, sometimes in the morning; I rather enjoyed that > > moment of spiritual reflection, even as a child. > > I suppose, they would have found TM to be a religion, as has been > > said, no matter how it had been presented. > > Now, our culture, has become so anti-spiritual anything, that the > > separation of church and state issue, has in a way undermined the > > right to even have a moment of silence, in school, which is > > currently being debated. > > The one thing that is missing in the schools, in our culture, and > in > > our world, is Silence. > > If you call a process of gaining silence a religion, and ban it > from > > school or any other place, what you end up with is chaos. > > Then chaos becomes the preferred religion, of our time. > > > > Yeah, I remember going on a TM course to Washington DC and due to a > group of TMers earlier meditating for 20 minutes in the public > gallery of the Senate, they passed a law that you couldn't close > your eyes for an extended period in the gallery while the Senate was > in session. > > So when us meditators filed in wearing our ill fitting suits, we > were told specifically that we would have to leave if we closed our > eyes. And you guys wonder why MMY started to change the way he did things... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SUGAR & STARCH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tantrayudha > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Note: For more health information and some experimental > > > > methods > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Physical Immortality, please go to: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/geneticrejuvenation/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diet is important. TM is important. MAK is important. Not > > > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > in that order, though if you're not eating anything, diet > > is > > > > > > infinitely > > > > > > > more important than TM for maintaining health... > > > > > > > > > > > > All of the above mentioned things are important, of course, > > as > > > > well > > > > > as > > > > > > many things NOT mentioned. Too bad the TMO doesn't limit > > > itself > > > > to > > > > > > promoting and promulgating the one thing that they are > > supposed > > > > to: > > > > > > the TM Technique... > > > > > > > > > > I've found MAK to be of great benefit also... > > > > > > > > ...and I really like the vatta cooling spice mix, which I use > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > But the TMO should NOT be involved in that stuff...and they > > didn't > > > > have to be...it could have been licensed to private enterprise > > and > > > > others could have done it with the same success...and the TMO > > could > > > > have been left to concentrate on the thing that they were > > supposed > > > > to do: promote TM. > > > > > > Don't worry. As a paradox - the TMO handed the teaching of TM > over > > to > > > the Independent TM-Teachers, without even knowing it. It is odd... > > > Ingegerd > > > > what's the generational plan for the Independent TM-Teachers? How > > will you certify the next generation of teachers and the one after > > that? > > I am more curious what the TMO will do. > But - whatever is right - will have the support of the Administration > of the Natural Law - as MMY used to say. > Ingegerd My money is on the skinny, white-haired, semi-bald guy's organization, not the people who denounce him constantly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SUGAR & STARCH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tantrayudha > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Note: For more health information and some experimental > > > > methods > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Physical Immortality, please go to: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/geneticrejuvenation/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diet is important. TM is important. MAK is important. Not > > > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > in that order, though if you're not eating anything, diet > > is > > > > > > infinitely > > > > > > > more important than TM for maintaining health... > > > > > > > > > > > > All of the above mentioned things are important, of course, > > as > > > > well > > > > > as > > > > > > many things NOT mentioned. Too bad the TMO doesn't limit > > > itself > > > > to > > > > > > promoting and promulgating the one thing that they are > > supposed > > > > to: > > > > > > the TM Technique... > > > > > > > > > > I've found MAK to be of great benefit also... > > > > > > > > ...and I really like the vatta cooling spice mix, which I use > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > But the TMO should NOT be involved in that stuff...and they > > didn't > > > > have to be...it could have been licensed to private enterprise > > and > > > > others could have done it with the same success...and the TMO > > could > > > > have been left to concentrate on the thing that they were > > supposed > > > > to do: promote TM. > > > > > > Don't worry. As a paradox - the TMO handed the teaching of TM > over > > to > > > the Independent TM-Teachers, without even knowing it. It is odd... > > > Ingegerd > > > > Yes, I think that is exactly what is happening! > > > > Although it would be next to impossible to tally, wouldn't it be > > interesting to find out how many people in 2004 the independent TM > > teachers taught worldwide and how many were taught within the > > auspices of the TMO? > > I guess that in Norway the Independent Teachers is initiating far, > far more than the TMO. So maybe the Heaven on Eart will come in the > backdoor, and the TMO will take the credit for it? > Ingegerd My guess is that with TM costing $3000, anyone who charges close tothe old fee WILL initiate more. However, do the math: if the Maharishi Effect is true, the TMO needs to create a group of 8000 sidhas that hop together every day in order to have the same effect as 64,000,000 meditators meditating by themselves. Are the independent TM teachers of the world going to initiate 64 million meditators before the TMO creates a single permanent group of 8,000 yogic fliers? Even if the TMO is totally corrupt and interested ONLY in money, the creation of a single group, for advertising purposes only, will happen. Probably before MMY dies or shortly thereafter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would like to ask all the "awakened ones" on this group about how > > > many have had similar "stories" in their lives, and how many were > > > already awake when they happened? How's your bliss while standing > > > in your mother's piss while putting her on the pot? > > > > You have my deep, deep sympathies, my friend. Watching my father die > > was one of the toughest things I've ever undergone, far harder than > > nearly dying myself. As Pete says, it rips your heart wide open, > > burning off everything but intense, raw love. > > Indeed. If one is open to the notion of selfless service, > and of forgetting self for a little while, tending the > dying can be the highest experience you'll ever have. What did your mom's piss smell like, Unc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 6:15 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > Don't know about the Hindu/Tibetan hells, but the Christian hell is > > > often considered impossible to escape from, or at least exceedingly > > > difficult. > > > > Time is very slow there. > > That's probably because -- as you pointed out so > stingingly and correctly a few days back when > commenting on the *embarrassingly* naive world > view of many Christians -- that the Christians > were more than a little slow in life. They just > perpetuate the trend in the afterlife. :-) So much for tolerance of others' beliefs and cultures, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What amazes me about this particular run-on piece of > rhetoric is that none of the True Believers who read > it seem to be standing up and saying, "Hey! Wait a > cotton-picking minute! Isn't this the exact OPPOSITE > message than the one you started the TM movement with?" And MMY has said that it took him decades to realize this. The man isn't allowed to change his mind? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Starting to sound like a Dr. Bronner's Soap label! > > > > And every bit as true!!! > > > > Seriously, this is what MMY has said for decades, just not quite > > as stream-of-consciousness in the press releases. > > Seriously, this is the OPPOSITE of what Maharishi has > said for decades. The fact that you don't see this > is a little scary. MMY has been around for nearly 5 decades in the west. For the first several, he was saying one thing, for the last 2.5 he's been promoting Ayurveda, vastu, Gandharvaveda, etc., more and more. > > The original message was that nothing in one's environ- > ment could prevent enlightenment. The new message is > that the world can't be enlightened unless it is basic- > ally torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. The exact word was "big question mark" not that it was impossible. > > It's the difference between belief in unity and the > ability of the individual to transcend the appearance > of duality (which has no reality), and a belief in > the binding and real nature of duality, in which the > only path to enlightenment is to focus on the duality > and rebuild it -- for a profit. Both views may have some validity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > something that ended in this quote: > > > > "The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly has made the > > world evil and ugly." -Edgar Allen Poe > > Compare and contrast to the newest proclamations from > the TMO. It states that the problem with the world is > that it is (from a vastu point of view) evil and ugly. > The only real suggestion given for how to get beyond > this and realize one's infinite nature is to rebuild > the evil and ugly world physically. > > It's such a step backwards in the thinking of the TM > movement that it shocks even me. Then its had at least one good effect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you thought of addressing this particular issue to Maharishi, by > posing a question at the weekly news conference? > > A couple other questions; why is so much emphasis placed on the flying > sutra, and why is it so important to gain mastery over gravity. Gravity is the fundamental force of the physical universe. Even dark matter obeys gravity. > > Why is it that "flying" is pushed so hard, when this approach, usually > turns off most people who wish to start TM. > What if it were concealed until you'd learned TM? > How do developing these powers appear to relate to the desire for The > Big E, enlightenment, and for people just starting TM. > MMY says that the sidhis are challenges to enlightenment that need to be overcome (in order to strengthen the link between relative and absolute). "On the inward stroke they are obstacles to samadhi. On the outward stroke, they are perfections (powers)" to quote Patanjali. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The > problem isn't even with the ignorant masses; it's with > the buildings they live in; nothing can really be done > to enlighten the world until all these "bad" buildings > are torn down and replaced with "good" buildings. That's not even close to what MMY says. He says that the peace of the world isn't guaranteed, not that "nothing can be done until..." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SUGAR & STARCH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My money is on the skinny, white-haired, semi-bald guy's > organization, not the people who denounce him constantly. Literally. There is a bottom line here that you seem to be missing. Those on this forum who criticize Maharishi aren't asking for your money. Maharishi is, and he tries his best to make you feel bad and feel guilty when you don't give it to him. The critics here are not "denouncing" Maharishi, Lawson. You can feel the lingering love they feel for the man underneath their criticisms, if you aren't trying to blind yourself to it. They're just waking up to more of who Maharishi is, and dealing with it. Others (the True Believers) obviously prefer to keep ponying up the big bucks SO THAT they never have to deal with these other sides of who Maharishi is. As a non-teacher, it just costs you less to keep believing in Maharishi. If you had been a teacher, it would have cost you thousands of dollars in the last few months just to still be considered part of the organization. Pay to be "recertified" at something you were certified at decades ago or be history. It's a fascinating scene, when viewed from a distance. The closer it gets to Maharishi's death, the more disconnection from rationality is being asked of the True Believers in order to perpetuate their belief in Maharishi and cling to it. And the more money. As you stated so accurately, you're money's on him. May it buy you what you hope it does... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Indeed. If one is open to the notion of selfless service, > > and of forgetting self for a little while, tending the > > dying can be the highest experience you'll ever have. > > What did your mom's piss smell like, Unc? Like love. I'm sorry it smells like piss to you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > That's probably because -- as you pointed out so > > stingingly and correctly a few days back when > > commenting on the *embarrassingly* naive world > > view of many Christians -- that the Christians > > were more than a little slow in life. They just > > perpetuate the trend in the afterlife. :-) > > So much for tolerance of others' beliefs and cultures, eh? Oh, I tolerate Christian beliefs. But I don't have to respect them as being terribly accurate in terms of a description of the universe. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SUGAR & STARCH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My money is on the skinny, white-haired, semi-bald guy's > > organization, not the people who denounce him constantly. > > Literally. I have no money at the moment, so 'twas a rhetorical remark, period. > > There is a bottom line here that you seem to be > missing. Those on this forum who criticize Maharishi > aren't asking for your money. Maharishi is, and he > tries his best to make you feel bad and feel guilty > when you don't give it to him. One tried and true way of getting money, I'll agree. > > The critics here are not "denouncing" Maharishi, > Lawson. You can feel the lingering love they feel > for the man underneath their criticisms, if you aren't > trying to blind yourself to it. They're just waking > up to more of who Maharishi is, and dealing with it. They're dealing with their changing perceptions, I agree. > Others (the True Believers) obviously prefer to keep > ponying up the big bucks SO THAT they never have to > deal with these other sides of who Maharishi is. > I don't count myself as True Believer OR "other." I'm merelypointing out the contradictions in the "other" argument. There's less inconsistency in MMY's stance then in the "other stance," IMHO. > As a non-teacher, it just costs you less to keep > believing in Maharishi. When did I say, or hint that I believed in MMY? If you had been a teacher, > it would have cost you thousands of dollars in the > last few months just to still be considered part of > the organization. Pay to be "recertified" at something > you were certified at decades ago or be history. Actually, many/most organizations require recertification for people who haven't been active for a while or who haven't furthered their education in some one for a long period. The state of Arizona requires one to finish a Master's degree in Education within 10 years of getting state-certified as a school teacher, as a for instance... > > It's a fascinating scene, when viewed from a distance. > The closer it gets to Maharishi's death, the more > disconnection from rationality is being asked of the > True Believers in order to perpetuate their belief > in Maharishi and cling to it. And the more money. > To a certain extent, this is true. > As you stated so accurately, you're money's on him. > May it buy you what you hope it does... Nothing venturedin quite a while. Was speaking rhetorically. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Indeed. If one is open to the notion of selfless service, > > > and of forgetting self for a little while, tending the > > > dying can be the highest experience you'll ever have. > > > > What did your mom's piss smell like, Unc? > > Like love. I'm sorry it smells like piss to you. So you DID have to clean up after your mom? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > That's probably because -- as you pointed out so > > > stingingly and correctly a few days back when > > > commenting on the *embarrassingly* naive world > > > view of many Christians -- that the Christians > > > were more than a little slow in life. They just > > > perpetuate the trend in the afterlife. :-) > > > > So much for tolerance of others' beliefs and cultures, eh? > > Oh, I tolerate Christian beliefs. But I don't > have to respect them as being terribly accurate > in terms of a description of the universe. :-) Mocking someone by saying "they were more than a little slow in life" isn't tolerance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The > > problem isn't even with the ignorant masses; it's with > > the buildings they live in; nothing can really be done > > to enlighten the world until all these "bad" buildings > > are torn down and replaced with "good" buildings. > > That's not even close to what MMY says. He says that the peace > of the world isn't guaranteed, not that "nothing can be done > until..." And the sheer, unmitigated hubris of someone who wants to take credit for "guaranteeing peace" to the world doesn't bother you? It's megalomania squared. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The > > > problem isn't even with the ignorant masses; it's with > > > the buildings they live in; nothing can really be done > > > to enlighten the world until all these "bad" buildings > > > are torn down and replaced with "good" buildings. > > > > That's not even close to what MMY says. He says that the peace > > of the world isn't guaranteed, not that "nothing can be done > > until..." > > And the sheer, unmitigated hubris of someone who wants > to take credit for "guaranteeing peace" to the world > doesn't bother you? It's megalomania squared. Heh. YOu were complaining earlier that MMY used to say that the sqrt of 1% was all that was needed, but you never mentioned your problem with his megalomania THEN. YOu just have a need to knock MMY, his beliefs and his actions, I think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Indeed. If one is open to the notion of selfless service, > > > > and of forgetting self for a little while, tending the > > > > dying can be the highest experience you'll ever have. > > > > > > What did your mom's piss smell like, Unc? > > > > Like love. I'm sorry it smells like piss to you. > > So you DID have to clean up after your mom? Crickets chirping... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > The > > > > problem isn't even with the ignorant masses; it's with > > > > the buildings they live in; nothing can really be done > > > > to enlighten the world until all these "bad" buildings > > > > are torn down and replaced with "good" buildings. > > > > > > That's not even close to what MMY says. He says that the peace > > > of the world isn't guaranteed, not that "nothing can be done > > > until..." > > > > And the sheer, unmitigated hubris of someone who wants > > to take credit for "guaranteeing peace" to the world > > doesn't bother you? It's megalomania squared. > > > Heh. YOu were complaining earlier that MMY used to say that > the sqrt of 1% was all that was needed, but you never mentioned > your problem with his megalomania THEN. I did. You just weren't listening. :-) > YOu just have a need to knock MMY, his beliefs and his actions, > I think. Yes, I understand that you have a need to think that, in general and given recent events in your life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So much for tolerance of others' beliefs and cultures, eh? Speaking of tolerance of others' beliefs and cultures, have you *thought through* this silly "rebuild the world as vastu" idea? Maharishi has put himself on record as essentially saying that he'd like every non-vastu building on the planet torn down and replaced with something he deems more "suitable." (It was in a quote recently posted here, the one in which he talked about 3/4 of the world paying for the rebuilding of the other 1/4.) So that means that the Taj Mahal has to go. It means that the White House and the Congress and the Houses of Parliament in Britain have to go. All of the governmental offices of every nation in the world have to go. All of the houses that people currently live in have to go. They all have to go because one man claims they're hindering world peace and the enlightenment of the masses, and that tearing them down and starting over with new buildings is more effective than teaching people to meditate and find peace within. That's some vision. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So much for tolerance of others' beliefs and cultures, eh? > > Speaking of tolerance of others' beliefs and cultures, > have you *thought through* this silly "rebuild the > world as vastu" idea? > > Maharishi has put himself on record as essentially > saying that he'd like every non-vastu building on the > planet torn down and replaced with something he deems > more "suitable." (It was in a quote recently posted > here, the one in which he talked about 3/4 of the > world paying for the rebuilding of the other 1/4.) > > So that means that the Taj Mahal has to go. It means > that the White House and the Congress and the Houses > of Parliament in Britain have to go. All of the > governmental offices of every nation in the world > have to go. All of the houses that people currently > live in have to go. > > They all have to go because one man claims they're > hindering world peace and the enlightenment of the > masses, and that tearing them down and starting over > with new buildings is more effective than teaching > people to meditate and find peace within. > > That's some vision. :-) Yep. Right or wrong, crazy or sane, he's one record as saying that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > YOu just have a need to knock MMY, his beliefs and his actions, > > I think. > > Yes, I understand that you have a need to think that, > in general and given recent events in your life. I understand that you are on the defensive here for some reason or another. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
I've been thinking about this vastu thang, and what I've come up with is that it's a dying man's attempt to give to the students who will outlive him what he's always enjoyed while living -- a perfect excuse for never having to follow through on one's dreams and promises and pronouncements. The problem with realizable goals is that they're realizable, so if they aren't achieved, the person or persons who proposed the goals have to deal with the possibility that the failure to realize the goal was their fault. The benefit of having an *unrealizable* goal is that you never have to worry about any of that amsll shit. You just dedicate your life to a goal that, almost by definition, can never be realized because the real world is simply not going to go for it. Then it's the WORLD's fault when it isn't realized. In a way, "rebuild the entire world as vastu" is kinda Maharishi's "Boddhisattva Vow." It's just some- thing to keep the True Believers occupied once he's gone, so that they don't ever have to deal with living life one day at a time and setting realizable goals and accomplishing some of them and not accom- plishing others. It's a *marvelous* way of avoiding real life and living one's life in the enduring bliss of fantasy. He's trying to give his True Believer students the ability to live the rest of their lives the way he's lived his. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been thinking about this vastu thang, and what > I've come up with is that it's a dying man's attempt > to give to the students who will outlive him what > he's always enjoyed while living -- a perfect excuse > for never having to follow through on one's dreams > and promises and pronouncements. > > The problem with realizable goals is that they're > realizable, so if they aren't achieved, the person > or persons who proposed the goals have to deal with > the possibility that the failure to realize the goal > was their fault. > > The benefit of having an *unrealizable* goal is that > you never have to worry about any of that amsll shit. > You just dedicate your life to a goal that, almost > by definition, can never be realized because the > real world is simply not going to go for it. Then > it's the WORLD's fault when it isn't realized. > > In a way, "rebuild the entire world as vastu" is > kinda Maharishi's "Boddhisattva Vow." It's just some- > thing to keep the True Believers occupied once he's > gone, so that they don't ever have to deal with > living life one day at a time and setting realizable > goals and accomplishing some of them and not accom- > plishing others. It's a *marvelous* way of avoiding > real life and living one's life in the enduring bliss > of fantasy. He's trying to give his True Believer > students the ability to live the rest of their lives > the way he's lived his. To a certain extent, that is true. However, having unobtainable long- term goals doesn't prevent one from having obtainable short-term goals as well... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I've been thinking about this vastu thang, and what > > I've come up with is that it's a dying man's attempt > > to give to the students who will outlive him what > > he's always enjoyed while living -- a perfect excuse > > for never having to follow through on one's dreams > > and promises and pronouncements. > > > > The problem with realizable goals is that they're > > realizable, so if they aren't achieved, the person > > or persons who proposed the goals have to deal with > > the possibility that the failure to realize the goal > > was their fault. > > > > The benefit of having an *unrealizable* goal is that > > you never have to worry about any of that amsll shit. > > You just dedicate your life to a goal that, almost > > by definition, can never be realized because the > > real world is simply not going to go for it. Then > > it's the WORLD's fault when it isn't realized. > > > > In a way, "rebuild the entire world as vastu" is > > kinda Maharishi's "Boddhisattva Vow." It's just some- > > thing to keep the True Believers occupied once he's > > gone, so that they don't ever have to deal with > > living life one day at a time and setting realizable > > goals and accomplishing some of them and not accom- > > plishing others. It's a *marvelous* way of avoiding > > real life and living one's life in the enduring bliss > > of fantasy. He's trying to give his True Believer > > students the ability to live the rest of their lives > > the way he's lived his. > > To a certain extent, that is true. However, having unobtainable long- > term goals doesn't prevent one from having obtainable short-term > goals as well... In essence, what MMY has done is hedge his bets. His organization IS going to create the groups of 8,000 and 40,000 if at all possible, but he's warning that there is no guarantee that this will be enough to achieve permanent world peace --that more must be done. He's leaving the TMO an out if the Maharishi Effect doesn't work as predicted, in other words. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > YOu just have a need to knock MMY, his beliefs and his actions, > > > I think. > > > > Yes, I understand that you have a need to think that, > > in general and given recent events in your life. > > I understand that you are on the defensive here for some reason or > another. Are you SERIOUS? Have you actually READ the things you've been posting for the last couple of weeks (or however long it's been since your life got complicated by your mother's illness)? There couldn't possibly BE someone more in "defensive mode" than you've been, Lawson. It's like you've become the Defender Of The Faith here, wearing the cape of truth, *compelled* to reply to any criticism of MMY or the TMO. What is it you think I'm "defending?" Do I belong to any movement or group whose trip I am trying to push? Am I trying to sell you anything? I'm just stating my silly opinions of a real-world situation that, for once, is even sillier than I am. :-) It's YOU who are stuck in defensive mode, dude. It's like the moment your life got complicated, you felt the need to cling to TM and its dogma, and to smite anyone who challenges it. I *understand* this feeling. But please at least own up to it and try not to project it onto others just because you're going through a tough peried right now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > YOu just have a need to knock MMY, his beliefs and his actions, > > > > I think. > > > > > > Yes, I understand that you have a need to think that, > > > in general and given recent events in your life. > > > > I understand that you are on the defensive here for some reason or > > another. > > Are you SERIOUS? > > Have you actually READ the things you've been posting > for the last couple of weeks (or however long it's > been since your life got complicated by your mother's > illness)? > > There couldn't possibly BE someone more in "defensive > mode" than you've been, Lawson. It's like you've become > the Defender Of The Faith here, wearing the cape of truth, > *compelled* to reply to any criticism of MMY or the TMO. > > What is it you think I'm "defending?" Your distaste for TM and all things MMY. > > Do I belong to any movement or group whose trip I am > trying to push? Am I trying to sell you anything? Only that MMY is a hasbeen (which an argueable position) based on misreadings of what he has said and done (which is, by definition, NOT an argueable position). > > I'm just stating my silly opinions of a real-world > situation that, for once, is even sillier than I am. :-) > > It's YOU who are stuck in defensive mode, dude. It's > like the moment your life got complicated, you felt > the need to cling to TM and its dogma, and to smite > anyone who challenges it. I'm not clingingto TM dogma. I'm merelypointing out that the dogma isn't that contradictory. > > I *understand* this feeling. But please at least > own up to it and try not to project it onto others > just because you're going through a tough peried > right now... Pot, kettle and all that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus! (Time is relative)
On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:57 AM, John wrote: > I believe there is no time outside of the relative universe. According > to a Christian mystic by the name of Swedenbourg, there is no time in > heaven and angels have no conception of time. The heavenly hosts only > perceive changes in blissful events as dictated by the Will of the > Creator. > > Similarly, the residents of Hell only perceive changes of evil intent > as dictated by their ruler. Heavens still exist within time, they are just a much nicer karmic dimension--like a real nice hotel. You can shoot yourself like an arrow into a higher dimension if you are lucky, but eventually the arrow reverses direction. You're still on the wheel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In essence, what MMY has done is hedge his bets. His organization IS > going to create the groups of 8,000 and 40,000 if at all possible, > but he's warning that there is no guarantee that this will be enough > to achieve permanent world peace --that more must be done. > > He's leaving the TMO an out if the Maharishi Effect doesn't work as > predicted, in other words. You are welcome to believe this. Personally I don't. The "goal" of 8000 butt-bouncers could have been achieved decades ago if Maharishi had really wanted the ME theory put to the test. The money was *always* available to pay for such an experiment to be done. It wasn't done. We have annecdotal evidence that he even admitted to the Kaplans that he *didn't* want it done, that he *didn't* want it put to the test. So I'm unconvinced that the TMO -- either with MMY at its head or without him -- will ever actually pro- duce the number of butt-bouncers "needed" to put the ME theory to the test. The desire to NOT have it put to the test (and thus possibly have it proven untrue) will be stonger AFTER his death than it is now. I could be wrong about this, but everything I've seen in the larger world of spirituality and in human nature suggests that I'm not. Why on earth would people who want to keep believing in the basic infal- libility of a dead teacher want to put his theories to an actual test that might...just might...prove them untrue, and thus prove him fallible? The TBs who survive Maharishi will want (consciously or subconsciously) to do everything in their power to NOT put things to the test, because inwardly they don't want to ever have to deal with the possibility that they spent decades of their lives blindly follow- ing someone just as fallible as they are. Just my opinion, as always. Your mileage may vary... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > In essence, what MMY has done is hedge his bets. His organization IS > going to create the groups of 8,000 and 40,000 if at all possible, > but he's warning that there is no guarantee that this will be enough > to achieve permanent world peace --that more must be done. > > He's leaving the TMO an out if the Maharishi Effect doesn't work as > predicted, in other words. And, even if the ME appears to have an effect in the short run, he's warning the everyone NOT to "rest on their laurels" once the short- term goal is achieved. It's kinda embracing the punishment of Sysiphus: that boulder will NEVER reach the top, no matter how hard you try, but believing its a worthy goal to aspire to keeps you busy indefinitely and happy while you're working... In other words, its the ultimate busy-work for the TMO: he's just assigned them an impossible task that will keep the organization (assuming anyone, in the long run, embraces the goal that has been set) busy for the next few hundreds or thousands of years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In essence, what MMY has done is hedge his bets. His organization IS > > going to create the groups of 8,000 and 40,000 if at all possible, > > but he's warning that there is no guarantee that this will be enough > > to achieve permanent world peace --that more must be done. > > > > He's leaving the TMO an out if the Maharishi Effect doesn't work as > > predicted, in other words. > > You are welcome to believe this. Personally I don't. > The "goal" of 8000 butt-bouncers could have been > achieved decades ago if Maharishi had really wanted > the ME theory put to the test. And if the test didn't work as predicted, the TMO would simply have died. The money was *always* > available to pay for such an experiment to be done. It > wasn't done. The goal has been for a very long time to create a *permanent* group. The money needed for a permanent group is far more than needed for a "test group." We have annecdotal evidence that he even > admitted to the Kaplans that he *didn't* want it done, > that he *didn't* want it put to the test. Only as the ultimate test of the viability of the TMO. There's no evidence that the ME will make the TMO more viable, if achieved. In fact, I can make a good case that the ME, if real, and obtained without a new goal for the TMO to work towards, would render the TMO obsolete very fast. My intuition is that MMY believes this as well. > > So I'm unconvinced that the TMO -- either with MMY > at its head or without him -- will ever actually pro- > duce the number of butt-bouncers "needed" to put the > ME theory to the test. The desire to NOT have it > put to the test (and thus possibly have it proven > untrue) will be stonger AFTER his death than it is > now. But, as I said, MMY has given the organization an official "out" by stating that the ME won't be enough to guarantee permanent world peace. This leaves the door open to obtain what is now a short-term goal without disappointing the remaining true believers. > > I could be wrong about this, but everything I've seen > in the larger world of spirituality and in human > nature suggests that I'm not. Why on earth would > people who want to keep believing in the basic infal- > libility of a dead teacher want to put his theories > to an actual test that might...just might...prove > them untrue, and thus prove him fallible? The TBs > who survive Maharishi will want (consciously or > subconsciously) to do everything in their power to > NOT put things to the test, because inwardly they > don't want to ever have to deal with the possibility > that they spent decades of their lives blindly follow- > ing someone just as fallible as they are. You have missed my point, made extremely clearly I thought, that MMY has given the TM an excuse for why the ME isn't enough, so that is now a green light to attain what is now seen as a short-term goal, rather than the end-all and be-all of the TMO's purpose. > > Just my opinion, as always. Your mileage may vary... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > You are welcome to believe this. Personally I don't. > > The "goal" of 8000 butt-bouncers could have been > > achieved decades ago if Maharishi had really wanted > > the ME theory put to the test. > > And if the test didn't work as predicted, the TMO would > simply have died. IMO, the TM movement *did* die long ago. It's just that a lot of people within the movement were so isolated from the real world that they never got the telegram. :-) > > The money was *always* > > available to pay for such an experiment to be done. It > > wasn't done. > > The goal has been for a very long time to create a *permanent* > group. The money needed for a permanent group is far more than > needed for a "test group." And it always existed in the movement's coffers. More than enough. You're making excuses for an organization that was never willing to put its own money where its mouth was. > > We have annecdotal evidence that he even > > admitted to the Kaplans that he *didn't* want it done, > > that he *didn't* want it put to the test. > > Only as the ultimate test of the viability of the TMO. I guess that the area in which we differ the most is in your belief that the TMO is, in any way, still "viable." My opinion is that pretty much the ONLY people on the planet who know anything about the TMO or *care* are those who are still within the TMO or those who used to be. Anything that the TMO does is basically irrelevant to everyone else, a mere curiosity to write page-47 articles about to be read by people whose first reaction is invariably, "Are those kooks still around?" The TBs would like to *believe* that life in the real world revolves around them and that the fate of the world depends upon them, but it just ain't so. In a very real sense, 99.99% of the world doesn't know they exist and never will. The grand schemes are merely an attempt to perpetuate a myth of grandiosity that was never true in the movement's heyday and is now merely laughable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am speaking mostly of healings, consciousness-shifts and the like > > -- in which the observer/healee has a very important part to play. > > Other sidhis, like weather-changing, appear to depend much less on > > whoever is observing, probably because the effects are less > > intimate :-) > > I still think it's like that Woody Allen line: "Those > who can, do; those who can't, teach; those who can't > teach, teach gym." :-) > > The ability to perform siddhis depends on nothing in > the environment, only on the person who is performing > them. The ability to *see* them and recognize that > they have been performed depends very *much* on the > consciousness of the viewers. Those who didn't see > what others saw tended to make up stories about why > they couldn't. Thus all the tales about siddhis and > miracles being somehow dependent on the environment. > > To believe that miracles can't be performed unless > the environment is "proper" and "supportive" is as > silly as saying that enlightenment can't happen > unless everyone is living is properly-shaped houses. > > Oh. Never mind. :-) *lol* I tend to agree with you, except when the "siddhi" specifically involves another's healing. Then, though *we* may see that the healing *has* occurred, the end-result is predominantly still up to the other, as it so intimately involves *their* reality they are upholding. So perhaps we are saying the same thing -- the ability to see and recognize the healing depends very much on the consciousness of the viewers :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Starting to sound like a Dr. Bronner's Soap label! > > > > And every bit as true!!! > > > > Seriously, this is what MMY has said for decades, just not quite > > as stream-of-consciousness in the press releases. > > Seriously, this is the OPPOSITE of what Maharishi has > said for decades. The fact that you don't see this > is a little scary. > > The original message was that nothing in one's environ- > ment could prevent enlightenment. The new message is > that the world can't be enlightened unless it is basic- > ally torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. > > It's the difference between belief in unity and the > ability of the individual to transcend the appearance > of duality (which has no reality), and a belief in > the binding and real nature of duality, in which the > only path to enlightenment is to focus on the duality > and rebuild it -- for a profit. In other words, the TMO has shifted from being a "Tantric" movement to being a "Vedic" movement, or from anti-establishment mysticism to pro-establishment religiosity This seems to be the standard path of pretty much every spiritual impulse over time, doesn't it? It would seem that maybe the TMO was just a little quicker than most, and we have been blessed to see the whole life-cycle :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The original message was that nothing in one's environ- > > ment could prevent enlightenment. The new message is > > that the world can't be enlightened unless it is basic- > > ally torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. > > > > It's the difference between belief in unity and the > > ability of the individual to transcend the appearance > > of duality (which has no reality), and a belief in > > the binding and real nature of duality, in which the > > only path to enlightenment is to focus on the duality > > and rebuild it -- for a profit. > > In other words, the TMO has shifted from being a "Tantric" > movement > to being a "Vedic" movement, or from anti-establishment mysticism > to > pro-establishment religiosity This seems to be the standard > path of pretty much every spiritual impulse over time, doesn't it? > It would seem that maybe the TMO was just a little quicker than > most, and we have been blessed to see the whole life-cycle :-) Indeed. It *is* rare for this cycle to work itself out within the lifetime of the original teacher. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:25 AM, sparaig wrote: > In other words, its the ultimate busy-work for the TMO: he's just > assigned them an impossible task that will keep the organization > (assuming anyone, in the long run, embraces the goal that has been > set) busy for the next few hundreds or thousands of years. Well Lawson, any group that is to survive will have to attract young members. In the movement pictures I see people posting here it's all the same ole students still hanging around. The only youngsters are these peoples kids and grand kids. Sure there are a few, but the TMO will be very lucky if it survives another 10 years let alone another 100! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:25 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > In other words, its the ultimate busy-work for the > TMO: he's just > > assigned them an impossible task that will keep > the organization > > (assuming anyone, in the long run, embraces the > goal that has been > > set) busy for the next few hundreds or thousands > of years. > > Well Lawson, any group that is to survive will have > to attract young > members. In the movement pictures I see people > posting here it's all > the same ole students still hanging around. The only > youngsters are > these peoples kids and grand kids. Sure there are a > few, but the TMO > will be very lucky if it survives another 10 years > let alone another > 100! I doubt there will be any formal structure of the TMO left even 5 years after MMY's Mahasamadhi unless the survivors undertake radical changes in the TMO. The first would be to drop the price of starting TM. The second would be the immediate end to these silly projects-world's tallest building, world's largest yogurt container, etc.. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:17 AM, Peter wrote: > The > first would be to drop the price of starting TM. Then they should introduce Maharishi NASCAR and Maharishi Ayurvedic cigars. The huge republican influx will revitalize the movement . ;-))) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > You are welcome to believe this. Personally I don't. > > > The "goal" of 8000 butt-bouncers could have been > > > achieved decades ago if Maharishi had really wanted > > > the ME theory put to the test. > > > > And if the test didn't work as predicted, the TMO would > > simply have died. > > IMO, the TM movement *did* die long ago. It's just > that a lot of people within the movement were so > isolated from the real world that they never got > the telegram. :-) As long as there are wealthy donors handy, the TMO hasn't died. > > > > The money was *always* > > > available to pay for such an experiment to be done. It > > > wasn't done. > > > > The goal has been for a very long time to create a *permanent* > > group. The money needed for a permanent group is far more than > > needed for a "test group." > > And it always existed in the movement's coffers. More > than enough. You're making excuses for an organization > that was never willing to put its own money where its > mouth was. How much money to maintaina group of 8000? Even in India,that's not chicken feed. Also, as I said, even if the ME works as advertised, that wouldn't guarantee thelong-term viability of the TMO. Recallthat the world plan's use of the ME required more than just a single group of 8000. Putting all your money into oneproject isn't usually the best idea. > > > > We have annecdotal evidence that he even > > > admitted to the Kaplans that he *didn't* want it done, > > > that he *didn't* want it put to the test. > > > > Only as the ultimate test of the viability of the TMO. > > I guess that the area in which we differ the most is > in your belief that the TMO is, in any way, still > "viable." But that's not germane to the question of whether or MMY admitted to the Kaplans that he didn't want it put to the test. He was responding to the suggestion that the ME would make things "all better" for the TMO once the group of 8000 was achieved, and he said there was no proof of that. My opinion is that pretty much the ONLY > people on the planet who know anything about the TMO > or *care* are those who are still within the TMO or > those who used to be. Anything that the TMO does is > basically irrelevant to everyone else, a mere curiosity > to write page-47 articles about to be read by people > whose first reaction is invariably, "Are those kooks > still around?" This certainly wouldn't change with the creation ofa single 8000 group, so what is your point? > > The TBs would like to *believe* that life in the real > world revolves around them and that the fate of the > world depends upon them, but it just ain't so. Certainly, not at this point, unless the TMOgets its act together. In > a very real sense, 99.99% of the world doesn't know > they exist and never will. The grand schemes are > merely an attempt to perpetuate a myth of grandiosity > that was never true in the movement's heyday and is > now merely laughable. Perhaps. Time may or may not tell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > The original message was that nothing in one's environ- > > > ment could prevent enlightenment. The new message is > > > that the world can't be enlightened unless it is basic- > > > ally torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. > > > > > > It's the difference between belief in unity and the > > > ability of the individual to transcend the appearance > > > of duality (which has no reality), and a belief in > > > the binding and real nature of duality, in which the > > > only path to enlightenment is to focus on the duality > > > and rebuild it -- for a profit. > > > > In other words, the TMO has shifted from being a "Tantric" > > movement > > to being a "Vedic" movement, or from anti-establishment mysticism > > to > > pro-establishment religiosity This seems to be the standard > > path of pretty much every spiritual impulse over time, doesn't it? > > It would seem that maybe the TMO was just a little quicker than > > most, and we have been blessed to see the whole life-cycle :-) > > Indeed. It *is* rare for this cycle to work itself > out within the lifetime of the original teacher. And by design of the teacher, no-less. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > MMY says that the sidhis are challenges to > enlightenment that need to > be overcome (in order to strengthen the link between > relative and > absolute). > > "On the inward stroke they are obstacles to samadhi. > On the outward > stroke, they are perfections (powers)" to quote > Patanjali. The TM-Sidhi program is a POWERFUL, POWERFUL process that "pulls" the absolute into the relative. It integrates, very quickly, the two extremes of consciousness into a wholeness. The surface goal of the siddhi is irrelevent. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Starting to sound like a Dr. Bronner's Soap label! > > > > > > And every bit as true!!! > > > > > > Seriously, this is what MMY has said for decades, just not quite > > > as stream-of-consciousness in the press releases. > > > > Seriously, this is the OPPOSITE of what Maharishi has > > said for decades. The fact that you don't see this > > is a little scary. > > > > The original message was that nothing in one's environ- > > ment could prevent enlightenment. The new message is > > that the world can't be enlightened unless it is basic- > > ally torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. > > > > It's the difference between belief in unity and the > > ability of the individual to transcend the appearance > > of duality (which has no reality), and a belief in > > the binding and real nature of duality, in which the > > only path to enlightenment is to focus on the duality > > and rebuild it -- for a profit. > > In other words, the TMO has shifted from being a "Tantric" movement > to being a "Vedic" movement, or from anti-establishment mysticism to > pro-establishment religiosity This seems to be the standard > path of pretty much every spiritual impulse over time, doesn't it? > It would seem that maybe the TMO was just a little quicker than > most, and we have been blessed to see the whole life-cycle :-) MMY has always saidhe wanted there to be an organization left after him. He's working to design the organization that comes after him. Perhaps the religious model isthe only viable really long term model available? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:25 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > In other words, its the ultimate busy-work for the TMO: he's just > > assigned them an impossible task that will keep the organization > > (assuming anyone, in the long run, embraces the goal that has been > > set) busy for the next few hundreds or thousands of years. > > Well Lawson, any group that is to survive will have to attract young > members. In the movement pictures I see people posting here it's all > the same ole students still hanging around. The only youngsters are > these peoples kids and grand kids. Sure there are a few, but the TMO > will be very lucky if it survives another 10 years let alone another > 100! If organic foodstuffs take off, the TMO's decision to involve itself early on withthem may be very wise. Most people don't remember just HOW far back the TMO's involvement with organics goes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:25 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > In other words, its the ultimate busy-work for the > > TMO: he's just > > > assigned them an impossible task that will keep > > the organization > > > (assuming anyone, in the long run, embraces the > > goal that has been > > > set) busy for the next few hundreds or thousands > > of years. > > > > Well Lawson, any group that is to survive will have > > to attract young > > members. In the movement pictures I see people > > posting here it's all > > the same ole students still hanging around. The only > > youngsters are > > these peoples kids and grand kids. Sure there are a > > few, but the TMO > > will be very lucky if it survives another 10 years > > let alone another > > 100! > > I doubt there will be any formal structure of the TMO > left even 5 years after MMY's Mahasamadhi unless the > survivors undertake radical changes in the TMO. The > first would be to drop the price of starting TM. The > second would be the immediate end to these silly > projects-world's tallest building, world's largest > yogurt container, etc.. Why? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:25 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > In other words, its the ultimate busy-work for the TMO: he's just > > assigned them an impossible task that will keep the organization > > (assuming anyone, in the long run, embraces the goal that has been > > set) busy for the next few hundreds or thousands of years. > > Well Lawson, any group that is to survive will have to attract young > members. In the movement pictures I see people posting here it's all > the same ole students still hanging around. The only youngsters are > these peoples kids and grand kids. Sure there are a few, but the TMO > will be very lucky if it survives another 10 years let alone another > 100! I'd say 20 years, until the first generation dies off. And then maybe another 10 years while the next generation -- the ones indoctrinated into TM dogma in schools -- find that there is nothing really to be part of any more. Did you see any young people in the photos from Guru Purnima in Vlodrop? But you do put your finger on the real issue. In my opinion, an evangelistic spiritual organization has lost its "viability" the moment it begins to focus more on its existing members than it does on attracting new members. For the TMO, I suspect that happened about the time of the Yawning of the Age of Enlightenment. At that point (or around that point), the fees were raised for basic instruction in TM, with the result that very few new people were starting. As a result, more and more courses and "advanced programs" for existing teachers and existing TMers had to be invented, to keep the incoming revenue stream flow- ing, and to keep the members convinced that some- thing worth being part of still existed. At this point, almost no new members are being attracted, and the *entire* focus of the movement seems to be on creating myths and "grand projects" to keep the few remaining members on board, by pandering to their sense of self importance. They are being told that the entire fate of the world depends on them. And they'll be told that until Maharishi dies, and then they'll tell each other that after he dies, and then they'll all die. IMO, the TM movement will pretty much die with them. And it didn't have to be like that. If the organ- ization had simply maintained its focus as a provider of a simple, effective, and accessible (in terms of cost) technique of meditation, it could have gone on for a long, long time. But instead it has system- atically driven the people who believed in that goal *out* of the organization. Sad, when you think about it... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > > MMY says that the sidhis are challenges to > > enlightenment that need to > > be overcome (in order to strengthen the link between > > relative and > > absolute). > > > > "On the inward stroke they are obstacles to samadhi. > > On the outward > > stroke, they are perfections (powers)" to quote > > Patanjali. > > The TM-Sidhi program is a POWERFUL, POWERFUL process > that "pulls" the absolute into the relative. It > integrates, very quickly, the two extremes of > consciousness into a wholeness. The surface goal of > the siddhi is irrelevent. Not quite.The surface goal of the siddhi IS relevant to accomplishment of the siddhi. YOu don't get the full benefit of any particular sidhis practice without having been exposed to the expected outcome of that particular sidhi. Expectation IS part of sidhis practice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Peter wrote: > > > So on the other hand..perhaps lineages are > > important. Like a mantra, a vehicle to ride until it > > is ultimately transcended. It has its utility until > > full Realization then it becomes useless for the > > Realized, but very useful for the seeker. > > I don't think it is useless for the realized, it is actually quite > beneficial. > > It's not unusual for realized teachers to reveal teachings hidden by > previous members of their own line. For example a yogin in the 8th > century may have tapped into some future-strata and retrieved > information on, say, a cancer drug (e.g. "Padma-25") and concealed it > for re-revelation by a particular person at a particular time in the > future. The yogin in the future unlocks the code spontaneously and > re-reveals the teaching. This is a well known practice. The advantage > of your own lineage revealing such a teaching is that it is closer to > sentient beings in space-time in terms of it's manifestation and > therefore these type of practices often yield immediate or very quick > results. > > There are some teachers who the experience of revealing a teaching is > so profound, they recall the experience across lifetimes. > > Often lineage holders will appear in specific ways. This is especially > true of rainbow-body realizers as they can split their body into tens > of thousands of bodies to assist sentient evolution of future- selves. > They are also not restricted by linear time, having mastered samadhi > beyond space and beyond time prior to final realization. One of the aspects of lineage and space-time transcendence shows us that we are in essence the entire line of our own masters; they are ongoing aspects and higher octaves of ourself; as we take a particular initiation, they take a corresponding initiation; indeed we see them as "more enlightened" or "mature" than we are as a matter of personal choice as to which chords of ourself we call into focus. Bentov also mentioned something like this BTW on that Sidhis-prep course -- that he saw the Masters all strung together, skewered with a light-ray through their hearts "like a shishkebab." :-) Or it might look more like bodies sitting one atop another like a totem- pole, but the concept appears to be much the same :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bliss of the Unrealizable Goal
On the other hand, it may be exactly as I have said: MMY is creating an extremely hardcore group of believers that he can hand over to King Tony when he dies. In other words, he's precipitated the inevitable post-MMY conflict within the TMO *before* he departs so that King Tony won't have to deal with it the first day on the job. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:25 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > In other words, its the ultimate busy-work for the TMO: he's just > > > assigned them an impossible task that will keep the organization > > > (assuming anyone, in the long run, embraces the goal that has been > > > set) busy for the next few hundreds or thousands of years. > > > > Well Lawson, any group that is to survive will have to attract young > > members. In the movement pictures I see people posting here it's all > > the same ole students still hanging around. The only youngsters are > > these peoples kids and grand kids. Sure there are a few, but the TMO > > will be very lucky if it survives another 10 years let alone another > > 100! > > I'd say 20 years, until the first generation dies > off. And then maybe another 10 years while the next > generation -- the ones indoctrinated into TM dogma > in schools -- find that there is nothing really to > be part of any more. Did you see any young people > in the photos from Guru Purnima in Vlodrop? > > But you do put your finger on the real issue. In > my opinion, an evangelistic spiritual organization > has lost its "viability" the moment it begins to > focus more on its existing members than it does on > attracting new members. For the TMO, I suspect > that happened about the time of the Yawning of the > Age of Enlightenment. > > At that point (or around that point), the fees were > raised for basic instruction in TM, with the result > that very few new people were starting. As a result, > more and more courses and "advanced programs" for > existing teachers and existing TMers had to be > invented, to keep the incoming revenue stream flow- > ing, and to keep the members convinced that some- > thing worth being part of still existed. > > At this point, almost no new members are being > attracted, and the *entire* focus of the movement > seems to be on creating myths and "grand projects" > to keep the few remaining members on board, by > pandering to their sense of self importance. They > are being told that the entire fate of the world > depends on them. And they'll be told that until > Maharishi dies, and then they'll tell each other > that after he dies, and then they'll all die. > > IMO, the TM movement will pretty much die with them. > > And it didn't have to be like that. If the organ- > ization had simply maintained its focus as a provider > of a simple, effective, and accessible (in terms of > cost) technique of meditation, it could have gone > on for a long, long time. But instead it has system- > atically driven the people who believed in that goal > *out* of the organization. Sad, when you think > about it... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
> > > In other words, the TMO has shifted from being a "Tantric" > > > movement to being a "Vedic" movement, or from anti-establishment > > > mysticism to pro-establishment religiosity This seems to > > > be the standard path of pretty much every spiritual impulse > > > over time, doesn't it? > > > It would seem that maybe the TMO was just a little quicker than > > > most, and we have been blessed to see the whole life-cycle :-) > > > > Indeed. It *is* rare for this cycle to work itself > > out within the lifetime of the original teacher. > > And by design of the teacher, no-less. And by the teacher who, himself, gave the "tragedy of knowledge" talk about what inevitably happens to any spiritual organization over time, and who then made sure it happened to his, and within his own lifetime. The irony is beyond amazing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > MMY says that the sidhis are challenges to > > > enlightenment that need to > > > be overcome (in order to strengthen the link > between > > > relative and > > > absolute). > > > > > > "On the inward stroke they are obstacles to > samadhi. > > > On the outward > > > stroke, they are perfections (powers)" to quote > > > Patanjali. > > > > The TM-Sidhi program is a POWERFUL, POWERFUL > process > > that "pulls" the absolute into the relative. It > > integrates, very quickly, the two extremes of > > consciousness into a wholeness. The surface goal > of > > the siddhi is irrelevent. > > Not quite.The surface goal of the siddhi IS relevant > to > accomplishment of the siddhi. YOu don't get the full > benefit of any > particular sidhis practice without having been > exposed to the > expected outcome of that particular sidhi. > > Expectation IS part of sidhis practice. I meant irrelevent in terms of the purpose of the siddi. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In other words, the TMO has shifted from being a "Tantric" > > > > movement to being a "Vedic" movement, or from anti- establishment > > > > mysticism to pro-establishment religiosity This seems to > > > > be the standard path of pretty much every spiritual impulse > > > > over time, doesn't it? > > > > It would seem that maybe the TMO was just a little quicker than > > > > most, and we have been blessed to see the whole life-cycle :-) > > > > > > Indeed. It *is* rare for this cycle to work itself > > > out within the lifetime of the original teacher. > > > > And by design of the teacher, no-less. > > And by the teacher who, himself, gave the "tragedy of > knowledge" talk about what inevitably happens to any > spiritual organization over time, and who then made > sure it happened to his, and within his own lifetime. > > The irony is beyond amazing. Not really. It's a controlled demolition and MMY has always made it clear that the current TMO was not meant to be permanent. Whether what springs up next is viable is another question entirely. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > MMY says that the sidhis are challenges to > > > > enlightenment that need to > > > > be overcome (in order to strengthen the link > > between > > > > relative and > > > > absolute). > > > > > > > > "On the inward stroke they are obstacles to > > samadhi. > > > > On the outward > > > > stroke, they are perfections (powers)" to quote > > > > Patanjali. > > > > > > The TM-Sidhi program is a POWERFUL, POWERFUL > > process > > > that "pulls" the absolute into the relative. It > > > integrates, very quickly, the two extremes of > > > consciousness into a wholeness. The surface goal > > of > > > the siddhi is irrelevent. > > > > Not quite.The surface goal of the siddhi IS relevant > > to > > accomplishment of the siddhi. YOu don't get the full > > benefit of any > > particular sidhis practice without having been > > exposed to the > > expected outcome of that particular sidhi. > > > > Expectation IS part of sidhis practice. > > I meant irrelevent in terms of the purpose of the > siddi. ??? YOgic Flying is expected to eventually bring about floating. The spiritual benefit of Yogic FLying is allegedly obtained by performing the technique with at least *some* expectation, even subconscious, about the goal. Do you disagree? If not, what are you saying about irrelevant? That obtaining the goal is irrelevant? I agree there, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Global reconstruction
The claim that all the world's buildings need to be demolished in order to ensure world peace should be seen in light of the idealized description of the process found here: http://www.maharishi-india.org/programmes/p4/msv_reconstruction.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nepal prisons?
On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > I read lots of folks on this forum who say that MMY's grandiose schemes > yield nothing. Perhaps people familiar with Nepal can tell me if the > TMO ever did teach virtually all prison inmates to meditate as was > claimed? If so, did the prison system change as was claimed? > > If so, doesn't this validate the way MMY approached things in 3rd world > countries? There has been some speculation of late as the results on prisoners who practice a form of meditation involving compassion and the fact that it shows neuroplasticity in the areas associated with compassion, empathy, etc. that TM may be on its way out in prisons.. Needless to say if you enhance this part of the brain, it has a great effect on the persons outlook in life--this would be especially valuable to prisoners. (see http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0407401101v1.pdf ) I remember seeing some scifi movie where prisoners would go into some sort of isolation tank and then computers would re-imprint the brain over years, essentially changing them from within into new people. It could go either way, but the latest advances in neuroplasticity and meditation will have a positive impact on rehabilitation. Have you seen the documentary _Doing Time, Doing Vipassana_ where they go into the worst prison in India? Very moving. This same movement is going into Nepal with great success. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > YOgic Flying is expected to eventually bring about floating. The > spiritual benefit of Yogic FLying is allegedly obtained by performing > the technique with at least *some* expectation, even subconscious, > about the goal. > > Do you disagree? If not, what are you saying about irrelevant? That > obtaining the goal is irrelevant? I agree there, of course. I agree that obtaining the final goal isn't necessary to benefit from the practice, I meant to say... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nepal prisons?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > I read lots of folks on this forum who say that MMY's grandiose schemes > > yield nothing. Perhaps people familiar with Nepal can tell me if the > > TMO ever did teach virtually all prison inmates to meditate as was > > claimed? If so, did the prison system change as was claimed? > > > > If so, doesn't this validate the way MMY approached things in 3rd world > > countries? > > There has been some speculation of late as the results on prisoners who > practice a form of meditation involving compassion and the fact that it > shows neuroplasticity in the areas associated with compassion, empathy, > etc. that TM may be on its way out in prisons.. Needless to say if you > enhance this part of the brain, it has a great effect on the persons > outlook in life--this would be especially valuable to prisoners. (see > http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0407401101v1.pdf ) > > I remember seeing some scifi movie where prisoners would go into some > sort of isolation tank and then computers would re-imprint the brain > over years, essentially changing them from within into new people. It > could go either way, but the latest advances in neuroplasticity and > meditation will have a positive impact on rehabilitation. > > Have you seen the documentary _Doing Time, Doing Vipassana_ where they > go into the worst prison in India? Very moving. This same movement is > going into Nepal with great success. Interesting since the TMO already taught everyone who wasin the prisons TM. Who are the Vipassana people teaching and how did they get around the Mullah's outlawing of meditation in the prisons? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nepal prisons?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > I read lots of folks on this forum who say that MMY's grandiose schemes > > yield nothing. Perhaps people familiar with Nepal can tell me if the > > TMO ever did teach virtually all prison inmates to meditate as was > > claimed? If so, did the prison system change as was claimed? > > > > If so, doesn't this validate the way MMY approached things in 3rd world > > countries? > > There has been some speculation of late as the results on prisoners who > practice a form of meditation involving compassion and the fact that it > shows neuroplasticity in the areas associated with compassion, empathy, > etc. that TM may be on its way out in prisons.. Needless to say if you > enhance this part of the brain, it has a great effect on the persons > outlook in life--this would be especially valuable to prisoners. (see > http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0407401101v1.pdf ) > > I remember seeing some scifi movie where prisoners would go into some > sort of isolation tank and then computers would re-imprint the brain > over years, essentially changing them from within into new people. It > could go either way, but the latest advances in neuroplasticity and > meditation will have a positive impact on rehabilitation. > > Have you seen the documentary _Doing Time, Doing Vipassana_ where they > go into the worst prison in India? Very moving. This same movement is > going into Nepal with great success. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Love/Hate Maharishi
The problem is with the wording. -The World- doesn't need spiritual regeneration. Nor do all the people. Some people need spiritual regeneration. - Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Love/Hate Maharishi Originally the goal was stated as: Spiritual Regeneration of the World;And that still seems like the best way to frame the goal, if we are seeking an enlightened world.In my mind this idea of Spiritual Regeneration is a good way to describe the goal;Perhaps through the years, spiritual regeneration, got side-tracked in other goals?In any case, it still seems that; "spirital regeneration" is still the basic need which is lacking.> > > > This whole post goes to the point of my dislike of Maharishi. On the one hand we have a scientifically proven technique to help humankind, but on the other it appeals to the mystical fanaticism of the practitioner to imbue it with other worldly qualities. > > I believe that Maharishi uses the language of Christian Mysticism with references to Heaven on Earth and so on, playing upon the latent apostle complex of his closest followers to create his movement. He plays both sides against the middle. > > I guess my main thing, is Irmeli, as you said, clarity and plain dealing. And I don't find that to be the case in TMO. So I must say that it's an institution that lies. That being the case, one can wonder what the real goal of the institution is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The claim that all the world's buildings need to be demolished in > order to ensure world peace should be seen in light of the idealized > description of the process found here: > > http://www.maharishi-india.org/programmes/p4/msv_reconstruction.html Ick! Who would want to live in such a sterile, all-the- same environment? It's like the world in the Truman Show. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nepal prisons?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > I read lots of folks on this forum who say that MMY's grandiose schemes > > yield nothing. Perhaps people familiar with Nepal can tell me if the > > TMO ever did teach virtually all prison inmates to meditate as was > > claimed? If so, did the prison system change as was claimed? > > > Doh. Senegal, not nepal. My totally bad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nepal prisons?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [..] > Interesting since the TMO already taught everyone who wasin the > prisons TM. Who are the Vipassana people teaching and how did they > get around the Mullah's outlawing of meditation in the prisons? Senegal, not Nepal. Can't even get the nameof the country right... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vacation
I will miss your humour and your serious part. Enjoy your vacation!Ingegerd---Thanks Inga Guard - Great Mantra Protectoresse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The claim that all the world's buildings need to be demolished in > > order to ensure world peace should be seen in light of the idealized > > description of the process found here: > > > > http://www.maharishi-india.org/programmes/p4/msv_reconstruction.html > > Ick! Who would want to live in such a sterile, all-the- > same environment? It's like the world in the Truman Show. There's at least SOME variety in design allowed, at least for homes. The diagram was of an idealized reconstruction of a city. I doubt that any such activity would ever look exactly like what was drawn. Here are some example MVC homes: http://www.sthapatyaveda.com/examples/frameset.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nepal prisons?
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:04 AM, sparaig wrote: > Interesting since the TMO already taught everyone who wasin the > prisons TM. Who are the Vipassana people teaching and how did they > get around the Mullah's outlawing of meditation in the prisons? see http://www.prison.dhamma.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The claim that all the world's buildings need to be demolished in > order to ensure world peace should be seen in light of the > idealized description of the process found here: > > http://www.maharishi-india.org/programmes/p4/msv_reconstruction.html There is an unintentionally funny bit on this page. In the middle of this rap about how the TMO is going to completely reconstruct the world, click on the link for the organization that's supposed to do it, the "Maharishi Global Development Fund". :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vacation
Have fun, dude. We'll struggle by without you...More like without me, come to my realizations yourselves and not have me to blame them on. Hehe... Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nepal prisons?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:04 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > Interesting since the TMO already taught everyone who wasin the > > prisons TM. Who are the Vipassana people teaching and how did they > > get around the Mullah's outlawing of meditation in the prisons? > > see http://www.prison.dhamma.org/ As I said, I didn't even get the original name of the country correct... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind
> "The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly has made the> world evil and ugly." -Edgar Allen PoeCompare and contrast to the newest proclamations fromthe TMO. It states that the problem with the world is that it is (from a vastu point of view) evil and ugly.The only real suggestion given for how to get beyondthis and realize one's infinite nature is to rebuildthe evil and ugly world physically.It's such a step backwards in the thinking of the TMmovement that it shocks even me.-Ironic that Lucifer likes a nice stuffy institution to hide out in. The story of Lucifer is not one of some evil angel, but rather, of the intellect. The intellect is the thing which rivals God and was thrown out of heaven. The intellect is the thing which is beautiful almost like God but just not quite. The intellect tasted of the tree of knowledge and got lost in endless perdition. So also, those institutions which are based in the intellect and not in direct cognition of the divine become the very definition of dualism which is the root of the intellect. They create good and evil, having lost the 'live and let live' of the divine itself. Then once the intellect takes on the dualistic role of God it does ipso facto rival the divine and becomes a Lucifer. Because actual morality based upon directly improving conditions gets skewed by ideology and soon becomes more a matter of preserving the ideological beauty of the argument, as if it has reality and the reality doesn't. Direct perception of Deity will always be hated by the institution, and if not hated by the institution then it will become institutionalized, and like the Xtian Church the saints will take their heavenly place only after they have died and can no longer cause trouble. Institutions feast upon the blood of the saints. No? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > It's YOU who are stuck in defensive mode, dude. It's > > like the moment your life got complicated, you felt > > the need to cling to TM and its dogma, and to smite > > anyone who challenges it. > > I'm not clingingto TM dogma. I'm merelypointing out that the dogma > isn't that contradictory. Which is, in my observation, all you've *ever* done. Nor have I noticed any change in the last few days since your mother's cancer was diagnosed. That suggestion is really a rather cheap shot. There's a difference between insisting that the "dogma" is the Truth, and pointing out that arguments which misrepresent the dogma have not succeeded in refuting it. A person of intellectual integrity who actively *disbelieves* in the "dogma" might even point out such misrepresentations in an effort to elicit more valid arguments *against* it. I'm not suggesting Sparaig actively disbelieves in the "dogma," merely noting that citing flaws in the arguments against it is *not* necessarily an indication that a person *does* believe in the "dogma." Those to whom it's important to be able to cling to their stories of why the "dogma" isn't valid, however, may have a tendency to paint any criticism of their arguments as "True Believerism," because then they don't have to actually examine whether their stories are quite as airtight as they had hoped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Just a final thought
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[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > It's YOU who are stuck in defensive mode, dude. It's > > > like the moment your life got complicated, you felt > > > the need to cling to TM and its dogma, and to smite > > > anyone who challenges it. > > > > I'm not clingingto TM dogma. I'm merelypointing out that the dogma > > isn't that contradictory. > > Which is, in my observation, all you've > *ever* done. Nor have I noticed any change > in the last few days since your mother's > cancer was diagnosed. That suggestion is > really a rather cheap shot. > > There's a difference between insisting that > the "dogma" is the Truth, and pointing out > that arguments which misrepresent the dogma > have not succeeded in refuting it. > > A person of intellectual integrity who > actively *disbelieves* in the "dogma" might > even point out such misrepresentations in > an effort to elicit more valid arguments > *against* it. > > I'm not suggesting Sparaig actively > disbelieves in the "dogma," merely noting > that citing flaws in the arguments against > it is *not* necessarily an indication that > a person *does* believe in the "dogma." I don't disbelieve. However, if I were a genuine believer, I would have moved to Fairfield years ago. Unc is correct that my natural skepticism can interfere with my life. I'm reasonably confident that TM and even the TM-Sidhis practice, along with good food, a regular sleeping schedule, and regular exercise, are extremely beneficial to me. However, I'm not so committed to this belief that I meditate every day, letalone twice a day, and my sleeping and eating habits suck equally badly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just a final thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gadzooks Who is this zooks fellow, and why do you consider Him to be a gad? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The claim that all the world's buildings need to be demolished in > > > order to ensure world peace should be seen in light of the > idealized > > > description of the process found here: > > > > > > http://www.maharishi- india.org/programmes/p4/msv_reconstruction.html > > > > Ick! Who would want to live in such a sterile, all-the- > > same environment? It's like the world in the Truman Show. > > There's at least SOME variety in design allowed, at least for homes. > The diagram was of an idealized reconstruction of a city. I doubt that > any such activity would ever look exactly like what was drawn. > > Here are some example MVC homes: > > http://www.sthapatyaveda.com/examples/frameset.html I don't see any reason why there couldn't be as much variation among buildings designed on Sthapatya- Vedic principles as there is in any style of architecture. For that matter, it seems to me S-V principles could be adapted to many *different* styles of architecture, so there would be variation among as well as within styles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Defending the Status Quo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Last week Kelly Kirkpatrick did try with > > an editorial > > published on the Fairfield Ledger's opinion page > > (Thurs Aug11-05). It > > was a noteworthy piece to pop up on the opinion page > > because it does > > show a mind of the true-believing here yet. Kelly > > has been an > > activist member of the 8000Now! Committee. Can someone post the full text of the editorial Kirkpatrick wrote for the Ledger. I found the excerpts posted here very disturbing, like the language mullahs use justifying fatwahs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus! (Paradise Lost?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Granted both Heaven and Hell exist here on Earth. Nonetheless, each > > seems to exist separately too. Does anyone have a book to recommend > > that would enumerate and describe a cognition of them, with distinct > > characteristics for each Heaven and each Hell? Does the Tibetan Book > > of the Dead do this? > > I think that the best approach to bring to any study > of the different lokas or planes of existence is that > they *don't* have physical existence anywhere, that > they are mental constructs. Thus they can exist in > the mind of the person as he lives here on Earth, and > they can exist in the mind of the person who is going > through the Bardo between death and rebirth. But they > exist *only* in the mind, and thus can be transcended > at any moment, in life or in death. Yes, I completely agree, and as such, these mental constructs can be pretty nebulous. That is why I was looking for a text that specifies discrete characteristics of the lokas, so that I might recognize more clearly where I am sometimes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
> I don't see any reason why there couldn't be as much > variation among buildings designed on Sthapatya- > Vedic principles as there is in any style of > architecture. For that matter, it seems to me S-V > principles could be adapted to many *different* > styles of architecture, so there would be variation > among as well as within styles. And the grid layout for the cities? What happens to those cities that were creative enough to respect the natural flow of the land they were built on, and are not laid out along NESW grid lines? Or those cities and buildings that were designed to comply with *different* formulations of "ideal" layout, such as fung shei, Celtic geomancy, Tibetan Sa-che, or even Masonic guidelines (as in Washington, D.C.)? And aren't you forgetting Stage IV, in which all the old buildings are torn down? Sounds to me as if Maharishi is just another crackpot who is trying to impose his idea of "ideal" on people, justifying it by claiming it's the "ideal" of the gods or nature. He doesn't care about *their* traditions and *their* beliefs, only the imposition of his own. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defending the Status Quo
--- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Last week Kelly Kirkpatrick did try with > > > an editorial > > > published on the Fairfield Ledger's opinion page > > > (Thurs Aug11-05). It > > > was a noteworthy piece to pop up on the opinion > page > > > because it does > > > show a mind of the true-believing here yet. > Kelly > > > has been an > > > activist member of the 8000Now! Committee. > > Can someone post the full text of the editorial > Kirkpatrick wrote for > the Ledger. I found the excerpts posted here very > disturbing, like > the language mullahs use justifying fatwahs. Yes, please do. I coudn't access it on the Ledger homepage. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus! (Paradise Lost?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I think that the best approach to bring to any study > > of the different lokas or planes of existence is that > > they *don't* have physical existence anywhere, that > > they are mental constructs. Thus they can exist in > > the mind of the person as he lives here on Earth, and > > they can exist in the mind of the person who is going > > through the Bardo between death and rebirth. But they > > exist *only* in the mind, and thus can be transcended > > at any moment, in life or in death. > > Yes, I completely agree, and as such, these mental constructs > can be pretty nebulous. That is why I was looking for a text > that specifies discrete characteristics of the lokas, so that > I might recognize more clearly where I am sometimes. Sounds to me as if you may qualify for a free office at MUM. This sounds like a business idea to me -- one of those handy fold-out maps that you find in big cities to help the tourists find their way around. Only this one lists all the different lokas and Bardos and dimensions, and has a handy YOU ARE HERE indicator to help you figure out where you're at. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't see any reason why there couldn't be as much > > variation among buildings designed on Sthapatya- > > Vedic principles as there is in any style of > > architecture. For that matter, it seems to me S-V > > principles could be adapted to many *different* > > styles of architecture, so there would be variation > > among as well as within styles. > > And the grid layout for the cities? What happens > to those cities that were creative enough to respect > the natural flow of the land they were built on, and > are not laid out along NESW grid lines? Or those > cities and buildings that were designed to comply > with *different* formulations of "ideal" layout, > such as fung shei, Celtic geomancy, Tibetan Sa-che, > or even Masonic guidelines (as in Washington, D.C.)? > > And aren't you forgetting Stage IV, in which all the > old buildings are torn down? > > Sounds to me as if Maharishi is just another crackpot > who is trying to impose his idea of "ideal" on people, > justifying it by claiming it's the "ideal" of the gods > or nature. He doesn't care about *their* traditions > and *their* beliefs, only the imposition of his own. This may well be the case. On the other hand, I rather HATE the layout of DC... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pretaloka..hell of the hindus! (Paradise Lost?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > I think that the best approach to bring to any study > > > of the different lokas or planes of existence is that > > > they *don't* have physical existence anywhere, that > > > they are mental constructs. Thus they can exist in > > > the mind of the person as he lives here on Earth, and > > > they can exist in the mind of the person who is going > > > through the Bardo between death and rebirth. But they > > > exist *only* in the mind, and thus can be transcended > > > at any moment, in life or in death. > > > > Yes, I completely agree, and as such, these mental constructs > > can be pretty nebulous. That is why I was looking for a text > > that specifies discrete characteristics of the lokas, so that > > I might recognize more clearly where I am sometimes. > > Sounds to me as if you may qualify for a free office > at MUM. This sounds like a business idea to me -- one > of those handy fold-out maps that you find in big cities > to help the tourists find their way around. > > Only this one lists all the different lokas and Bardos > and dimensions, and has a handy YOU ARE HERE indicator > to help you figure out where you're at. :-) All computerized and available viathe internet --I believethere's a high-speed link provided... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't see any reason why there couldn't be as much > > variation among buildings designed on Sthapatya- > > Vedic principles as there is in any style of > > architecture. For that matter, it seems to me S-V > > principles could be adapted to many *different* > > styles of architecture, so there would be variation > > among as well as within styles. > > And the grid layout for the cities? What happens > to those cities that were creative enough to respect > the natural flow of the land they were built on, and > are not laid out along NESW grid lines? Or those > cities and buildings that were designed to comply > with *different* formulations of "ideal" layout, > such as fung shei, Celtic geomancy, Tibetan Sa-che, > or even Masonic guidelines (as in Washington, D.C.)? > > And aren't you forgetting Stage IV, in which all the > old buildings are torn down? > > Sounds to me as if Maharishi is just another crackpot > who is trying to impose his idea of "ideal" on people, > justifying it by claiming it's the "ideal" of the gods > or nature. He doesn't care about *their* traditions > and *their* beliefs, only the imposition of his own. IMO, Maharishi isn't overly concerned whether people listen or do what he says. He says what he says as a force of Nature. Some people put up an umbrella when it rains. Others skip through the puddles. Still others enjoy a quiet cup of tea and just listen to the rain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > It's YOU who are stuck in defensive mode, dude. It's > > > > like the moment your life got complicated, you felt > > > > the need to cling to TM and its dogma, and to smite > > > > anyone who challenges it. > > > > > > I'm not clingingto TM dogma. I'm merelypointing out that the > > > dogma isn't that contradictory. > > > > Which is, in my observation, all you've > > *ever* done. Nor have I noticed any change > > in the last few days since your mother's > > cancer was diagnosed. That suggestion is > > really a rather cheap shot. > > > > There's a difference between insisting that > > the "dogma" is the Truth, and pointing out > > that arguments which misrepresent the dogma > > have not succeeded in refuting it. > > > > A person of intellectual integrity who > > actively *disbelieves* in the "dogma" might > > even point out such misrepresentations in > > an effort to elicit more valid arguments > > *against* it. > > > > I'm not suggesting Sparaig actively > > disbelieves in the "dogma," merely noting > > that citing flaws in the arguments against > > it is *not* necessarily an indication that > > a person *does* believe in the "dogma." > > I don't disbelieve. However, if I were a genuine believer, I would > have moved to Fairfield years ago. > > Unc is correct that my natural skepticism can interfere with my > life. Where did he say that?? Seems to me he's been saying your "problem" is that you're a True Believer, not a skeptic (and blaming it on your reaction to your mother's illness, to boot, which, even if that were true, which I don't think it is, would be about as scummy as it gets). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't see any reason why there couldn't be as much > > variation among buildings designed on Sthapatya- > > Vedic principles as there is in any style of > > architecture. For that matter, it seems to me S-V > > principles could be adapted to many *different* > > styles of architecture, so there would be variation > > among as well as within styles. > > And the grid layout for the cities? What happens > to those cities that were creative enough to respect > the natural flow of the land they were built on, and > are not laid out along NESW grid lines? Or those > cities and buildings that were designed to comply > with *different* formulations of "ideal" layout, > such as fung shei, Celtic geomancy, Tibetan Sa-che, > or even Masonic guidelines (as in Washington, D.C.)? > > And aren't you forgetting Stage IV, in which all the > old buildings are torn down? This is all a non sequitur. My comment was with regard to the notion that S-V buildings would all look alike. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I don't see any reason why there couldn't be as much > > > variation among buildings designed on Sthapatya- > > > Vedic principles as there is in any style of > > > architecture. For that matter, it seems to me S-V > > > principles could be adapted to many *different* > > > styles of architecture, so there would be variation > > > among as well as within styles. > > > > And the grid layout for the cities? What happens > > to those cities that were creative enough to respect > > the natural flow of the land they were built on, and > > are not laid out along NESW grid lines? Or those > > cities and buildings that were designed to comply > > with *different* formulations of "ideal" layout, > > such as fung shei, Celtic geomancy, Tibetan Sa-che, > > or even Masonic guidelines (as in Washington, D.C.)? > > > > And aren't you forgetting Stage IV, in which all the > > old buildings are torn down? > > This is all a non sequitur. My comment was with regard > to the notion that S-V buildings would all look alike. That was MY analogy to explain why all S-V cities might not look alike... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ] Lost in your own mind/Meditating Buildings.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's YOU who are stuck in defensive mode, dude. It's > > > > > like the moment your life got complicated, you felt > > > > > the need to cling to TM and its dogma, and to smite > > > > > anyone who challenges it. > > > > > > > > I'm not clingingto TM dogma. I'm merelypointing out that the > > > > dogma isn't that contradictory. > > > > > > Which is, in my observation, all you've > > > *ever* done. Nor have I noticed any change > > > in the last few days since your mother's > > > cancer was diagnosed. That suggestion is > > > really a rather cheap shot. > > > > > > There's a difference between insisting that > > > the "dogma" is the Truth, and pointing out > > > that arguments which misrepresent the dogma > > > have not succeeded in refuting it. > > > > > > A person of intellectual integrity who > > > actively *disbelieves* in the "dogma" might > > > even point out such misrepresentations in > > > an effort to elicit more valid arguments > > > *against* it. > > > > > > I'm not suggesting Sparaig actively > > > disbelieves in the "dogma," merely noting > > > that citing flaws in the arguments against > > > it is *not* necessarily an indication that > > > a person *does* believe in the "dogma." > > > > I don't disbelieve. However, if I were a genuine believer, I would > > have moved to Fairfield years ago. > > > > Unc is correct that my natural skepticism can interfere with my > > life. > > Where did he say that?? Seems to me he's been > saying your "problem" is that you're a True > Believer, not a skeptic (and blaming it on > your reaction to your mother's illness, to boot, > which, even if that were true, which I don't > think it is, would be about as scummy as it gets). He said something like that in the thread where we discussed whether or not I trusted my own observations about things like Yogic Flying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global reconstruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is all a non sequitur. My comment was with regard > to the notion that S-V buildings would all look alike. This whole discussion reminds me of fanatic christians arguing whether millions of people are going to float up in the sky with or without their clothes on next week. Non sequitur? The whole topic is an ipso post facto wacko. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
