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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 13, 2005, at 11:49 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Why does the TM-org rabidly criticise Deepak Chopra and Sri Sri. Ravishankar.?? TM-governors claim MMY called him Sugar- Caned poison.?? Duh. One word: competition. Falling mantra sales doesn't make M. happy. Isn't that obvious? Of course, it's also easy to rationalize it as some sort of cosmic scenario. I have NEVER heard anyone claim that MMY ever said anything ill about Chopra. I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi meditation rare...in any discipline!
On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Peter wrote: Bliss is a relative phenomenon and has nothing to do with pure consciousness. Bliss is, actually, quite stupid. Transcendental bliss is inseparable. It is not a relative phenom unless the pranas haven't entered, dissolved and abided in the central channel. Non-relative bliss gives rise to clarity, radiance, transparency, and the reflection-like quality of consciousness, so that the bliss itself becomes the wisdom of nonduality. When you experience nonduality, you should recognize its blissful character as inseparable union. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
functioning based on the principle of three gunas: Rishi - Davata- Chanddhas
Is this the exact term Maharishi uses to discribe these three things.?? "Gunas"
You can fix a thought (or a an object), but it has to automaticallyturn into something else, otherwise it would "burn" a hole in your mind, in case it stayed at the same spot.
The object turns into something else.?? How does it burn a "hole" in the Mind.??
Samadhi is the sattwa guna of the mind (pure ground of consciousness).
Generaly it is thaught that, Samadhi is above mind. Above sattwa guna also. Could you exactly Quote, where Maharishi said this.??
if Samadhi starts to render its influence, it needs its rajas-nature inherent in it in order to give place for a new result (manifestation), which is also part of the sattwic force.
Samadhi needs it's rajas nature for a new result.?? And the new result is also a part of the sattwic force.?? Sounds contradictory. Could you give me some source for this statement. Did Maharishi or somebody say this.??
Ravishankar would be ready to let me initiate "hundreds and thousands of his followers" provided a) I got an authorisation from the TM-Movement to do so and
RaviShankar knows TM and himself can initiate all his followers. Why the TM-org didn't reply.??
His way of talking with a nonchalant voice, reminded me to a plagiarism of Maharishi's typical self-_expression.. trying to imitate his former master.
Is there anything original in this Universe.??
But it is for sure that you will hardly find the academic recognition of Robert Keith Wallace's findings at Harvard Medical School in the early Seventies, especially the clear defintion of a fourth state of consciousness, which is unlike sleep, dreaming and waking state in scientific literature.
I understand your concern and frustration about this, but could the CIA do something to deny academic recognition.??
Viktor Schauberger, Wilhelm Reich and Nicolas Tesla have found out that there is an energy, which can be activated by gentle methods, who unfold a mulitifold strengthof powers than conventional energies.
Are you talking about Zero-point energy.?? I heard that you need a huge industrial plant like think to extract it[future]. are you saying there is something applicable at present and not being tapped into.??
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From: "Hagen J. Holtz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:14:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
dhyana ("gliding")
Are they really Gliding.??
The mind is always by its functioning based on the principle of three gunas: Rishi - Davata- Chanddhas
"I am Hagen" (subject - awareness - object) or "You question me" etc.. There is nothing les than three. If you take one aspect, trying to isolate it, the two others
silently come along. Think about it thoroughly !
If you say "I" and you stop saying more, trying to hide that you wanted to say sometzhing more, then silently at least the question "I" means what ? By this the three gunas have been joining together automatically. Either you can make some statement or you are speech- and meaningless. If you state something, the three are obviously involved. If you do not state sonething, they are still involved, because the avoidance as such implies the same again.
Dharana - Dhyana-Samadhi are synonyms of this first "triangle" of attributes, the same as sat-chit-ananda are synonyms to the second triangle, Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva another one orsattwa-rajas-tamasand so forth.
Dr. Peter Plichta has been findinginnumerous of such three-attributes based principles in variousscience disciplines(see alsoGod's secret formula, Element Books).
Even without practicing the siddhis you areunder the influence of the same mind-principles. You can fix a thought (or a an object), but it has to automaticallyturn into something else, otherwise it would "burn" a hole in your mind, in case it stayed at the same spot. This act of metamorphosis is the gliding-aspect, which ends up in an "ecstasy" or new manifestation.
(Some practical exercise: Draw a cube ona piece of paper and let your mind contemplate on the form with open eyes. Try to fix it as good as you can. After a few seconds it will turn its space-direction from back-ground to fore-ground and after a few seconds back again and so forth.)
If you start with a mantra you will easily glide (slipping on a bananapeel - see Course on SCI !!)
automatically into samadhi (pure consciousness).
Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi.
What does three gunas has to do with Samadhi.??
Samadhi is the sattwa guna of the mind (pure ground of consciousness). Dhyana is the rajas-aspect (dynamic movement) and
dharana is the tamas-aspect of the mind (fruit or result or manifestation out of the dynamics of the dhyana-force). The rsult has to to dissolve again, and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, he was talking about SSRS. Re-Certified TM-governor Frank Lotz mentioned it. Here below From: frank lotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:37:46 +0100 (CET) The Bigger Picture - Sri Sri. RaviShankar Maharishis commentary on ravi, the so called shankar: Sugar caned poison. He is from my point of view a bad imitator of our Divine Master His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, despite of all his (ravis) so called success, only superficial, not much lasting influence! Lets take recourse to Maharishis Vedic Tradition, whether you call me fanatic or not, thats the point! Râm Frank Lotz From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote:Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, "MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON." I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear.Kinda like McDonald's bitching about Burger King. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Hey man, remember, I have nothing to do with this. Some Charlie who calls himself re-certified governor, says it came from Maharishi himself. Some months back, some Charlie misunderstood my post and gave me a bloody nose with his insultomatic, the incident had made me nervous ever since. From: "Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank Godwe all know that now. Spending all that time with MMYfrom the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort ofimpact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, "MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON." Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
No problems Jason. I was reacting more to the knee-jerk comment by a TB who blindly follows any dictate of an authority figure. --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey man, remember, I have nothing to do with this. Some Charlie who calls himself re-certified governor, says it came from Maharishi himself. Some months back, some Charlie misunderstood my post and gave me a bloody nose with his insultomatic, the incident had made me nervous ever since. From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi meditation rare...in any discipline!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you would not remember pure transcendence unless the mind was functioning along with that transcendence and that would be CC. What do you think the *infusion* of *Being* is, if not bliss? Bliss isn't blissful... That makes a lot of sense? And water isn't wet? The nature of Being IS Sat Chit Ananda contact of which is **Bliss**. (Ananda) Perhaps you're confusing Being and 'contact' with being which is blissful.? AbsoluteConscious..Bliss, this is the nature of Reality, which is the sublime experience one gets when one *transcends* relativity in TC (very rare, most people only get a glimpse). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. For the record, the sweet poison warning goes at least as far back as 1998 and referred specifically to a hyperventilation-type breathing technique Shankar taught (called, I believe, Sudarshan Kriya). According to someone on alt.m.t who had spent time in Shankar's ashram in 1978, Shankar had only broken with the TMO fairly recently at the time the person was posting in 1994. He was said then not to be interested in starting a movement (and was known as Pundit Ravi Shankar; Sri Sri apparently came later). The point being that at the time MMY issued the sweet poison warning, probably around 1994, the TMO was still in full swing, and Shankar apparently did not pose any kind of major threat in terms of even starting a movement of his own, let alone one that could compete with the TMO. Perhaps MMY foresaw that he would do so, but that doesn't appear to have been evident at the time. In any case, contrary to Vaj's suggestion, the sweet poison warning about the hyperventilation technique is hardly a recent development. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. Kinda like McDonald's bitching about Burger King. The only difference is that the president of McDonalds and the president of Burger King are actually great friends and talk to each other privately. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. For the record, the sweet poison warning goes at least as far back as 1998 and referred specifically to a hyperventilation-type breathing technique Shankar taught (called, I believe, Sudarshan Kriya). According to someone on alt.m.t who had spent time in Shankar's ashram in 1978, Shankar had only broken with the TMO fairly recently at the time the person was posting in 1994. He was said then not to be interested in starting a movement (and was known as Pundit Ravi Shankar; Sri Sri apparently came later). The point being that at the time MMY issued the sweet poison warning, probably around 1994, the TMO was still in full swing, and Shankar apparently did not pose any kind of major threat in terms of even starting a movement of his own, let alone one that could compete with the TMO. Perhaps MMY foresaw that he would do so, but that doesn't appear to have been evident at the time. In any case, contrary to Vaj's suggestion, the sweet poison warning about the hyperventilation technique is hardly a recent development. Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Upanishads explain Bing in terms of Ananda, or bliss, and locate it.....
at the source of creation in the transcendental region of life, permeating everything... MMY Science of Being page 35,6. If you haven't experienced pure concentrated bliss (happiness) in and during meditation you have NOT fully transcended!! Deal with it! :-) *Samadhi* is the experience of your own Self which IS, Sat CHIT ANANDA, absolute, conscious., bliss! Ever new Joy!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mother Meera In America 2006
Title: Mother Meera In America 2006 Dear Mother Meera devotee, We are excited to let you know that Mother Meera will be visiting and giving Darshan in the USA and Canada beginning May 19th and ending on June 12th, 2006. While the specific details are not yet worked out, we are able to share the following information with you. Mother will be giving Darshan on the following dates: May 19th, 20th, 21st and 22nd May 26th, 27th, 28th and 29th June 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th June 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th On one of the above weekends, Darshan will be in Canada and on the other three weekends Darshan will be in the US. We will contact you again after the location is fixed. You can have Darshan two days in a row, either on Friday and Saturday or Sunday and Monday. We are entering your preliminary reservation into our data base and need the following information: Name - first and last City State/Province Zip Code Phone e-mail address Preferred contact method (e-mail or phone) Weekend preference (Fri/Sat or Sun/Mon) # of nights to attend (1 or 2) Can travel regionally (Y/N) Can travel nationally (Y/N) Level of interest (low/medium/high) Please send an e-mail with this information to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. With Mothers Blessings Yours sincerely, Bert and Marsha Bell 641.472.5149 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi meditation rare...in any discipline!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/13/05 9:57 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely not. Pure Bliss is not happiness. Happiness is a relative phenomenon. To equate Being with relative happiness is just the terrified mind taking refuge in a concept as Being eats it alive. It keeps a person stuck in ignorance seeking an experience of pure consciousness. Probably most of us remember the lecture in which Maharishi says that bliss is not blissful, the point being that bliss is a relative quality and the Absolute is quality-less. Yeah, and while IN the field of bliss there is just being, so how can there be bliss until you come out of it? In CC there can be relative degrees of happiness, of course... Gads, unreal...Everybodies inner Being is pure happiness MMY. The Upanishads explain the Being in terms of Ananda, or bliss, and locate It at the source of creation in the transcendental region of life... MMY SOBAL Page 35. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lotsa HAARP Links
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/13/05 9:39 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't gotten around to blocking his nonsense yet, so I find his drivel quite annoying. He is a tad off topic, but so are many people. Anyone who includes a reference to Tom Bearden is exotic. For instance, bear in mind that nobody knows what magnetism is (they know what it does) and then suck on this page from his web site: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi meditation rare...in any discipline!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/13/05 9:57 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely not. Pure Bliss is not happiness. Happiness is a relative phenomenon. To equate Being with relative happiness is just the terrified mind taking refuge in a concept as Being eats it alive. It keeps a person stuck in ignorance seeking an experience of pure consciousness. Probably most of us remember the lecture in which Maharishi says that bliss is not blissful, the point being that bliss is a relative quality and the Absolute is quality-less. No *relative* quality!!! Ananda is the descriptive term that defines that absolute Being, words will always fall short of the actual experience and quality of that Being, but ananda comes the closest to describing it. Yeah, and while IN the field of bliss there is just being, so how can there be bliss until you come out of it? No, not just Being.SAT, Chit, Ananda. In CC there can be relative degrees of happiness, of course... CC is the ultimate form of happiness, but like a picture can hold more water than a glass so the degree of happiness can be expanded yet the quality be essentially the same still water or (ananda). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Experience shows that *Being* IS bliss-consciousness...MMY SOBAL
Page 28, what more need be said, it must be experienced. If you haven't experienced pure inner happiness during TM, you have NOT, I repeat, have NOT, FULLY transcended. Yeah, you've transcended a little, but not fully, your nervous system can only reflect a small portion of that tremendous power, much like a glass of muddy water can only reflect a murky reflection of the sun. As the nervous system is *cultured*, that is, lined up properly, more and more you will experience contact, which is ANANDA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader.Since none of this is dated or given a clear reference it's hard to tell what the actual comment was.M. has certainly had many comments leveled against him by other gurus as well, so this ain't real surprising behavior in the spiritual supermarket. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi meditation rare...in any discipline!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/13/05 9:57 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Absolutely not. Pure Bliss is not happiness. Happiness is a relative phenomenon. To equate Being with relative happiness is just the terrified mind taking refuge in a concept as Being eats it alive. It keeps a person stuck in ignorance seeking an experience of pure consciousness. Probably most of us remember the lecture in which Maharishi says that bliss is not blissful, the point being that bliss is a relative quality and the Absolute is quality-less. No *relative* quality!!! Ananda is the descriptive term that defines that absolute Being, words will always fall short of the actual experience and quality of that Being, but ananda comes the closest to describing it. Yeah, and while IN the field of bliss there is just being, so how can there be bliss until you come out of it? No, not just Being.SAT, Chit, Ananda. Billyg, what do *you* think MMY means when he says Bliss isn't blissful? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. For reference, in case anyone wants to read what Vaj said more carefully: -- On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. [Vaj wrote:] I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. Kinda like McDonald's bitching about Burger King. - Since none of this is dated or given a clear reference it's hard to tell what the actual comment was. The actual comment, referring to the hyperventilation technique, was sweet poison, and we know it was made prior to 1998, i.e., well before the TMO could be said to have been lost to Shankar's now larger and more vital movement or that it was a putdown of Shankar by MMY to MMY's few remaining students. As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Series I Bonds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who are looking for a simple, safe place to park some money, at a much better rate than cd's or money markets, right now you can purchase Series I inflation-adjusted bonds with an interest rate of 6.73%. You can either go to www.treasury.gov or any big commercial bank. Cool! Thanks for the tip. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi meditation rare...in any discipline!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/13/05 9:57 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Absolutely not. Pure Bliss is not happiness. Happiness is a relative phenomenon. To equate Being with relative happiness is just the terrified mind taking refuge in a concept as Being eats it alive. It keeps a person stuck in ignorance seeking an experience of pure consciousness. Probably most of us remember the lecture in which Maharishi says that bliss is not blissful, the point being that bliss is a relative quality and the Absolute is quality-less. No *relative* quality!!! Ananda is the descriptive term that defines that absolute Being, words will always fall short of the actual experience and quality of that Being, but ananda comes the closest to describing it. Yeah, and while IN the field of bliss there is just being, so how can there be bliss until you come out of it? No, not just Being.SAT, Chit, Ananda. Billyg, what do *you* think MMY means when he says Bliss isn't blissful? He was speaking of the nature of Brahman itself, he never meant to imply that *contact* with Brahman wasn't blissful. Brahman is that which cannot be expressed in words, even though the Upanishads use words to educate us about Its nature. MMY ChVI vs28 My whole point being, contact with being in transcendental consciousness (savikalpa samadhi) is an unmistakable blissful experience!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 14, 2005, at 10:13 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. For reference, in case anyone wants to read what Vaj said more carefully: snipActually here's what I said:"I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify whothis comment was about, Chopra or SSRS?"Please try to read more carefully before commenting (or trying to cause arguments/trouble) Judy.Prems,Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi meditation rare...in any discipline!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Peter wrote: Bliss is a relative phenomenon and has nothing to do with pure consciousness. Bliss is, actually, quite stupid. Transcendental bliss is inseparable. It is not a relative phenom unless the pranas haven't entered, dissolved and abided in the central channel. Non-relative bliss gives rise to clarity, radiance, transparency, and the reflection-like quality of consciousness, so that the bliss itself becomes the wisdom of nonduality. When you experience nonduality, you should recognize its blissful character as inseparable union. Bingo!! Me and Vaj agree! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) f
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. 1993 at the DC course. L B S Born in 1956 in Papanasam, India, His Holiness Sri Sri Ravi Shankar studied with many renowned spiritual masters and became a scholar of Vedic Literature. By the age of seventeen, he obtained an Advanced Degree in Modern Physics. In 1982, His Holiness Sri Sri Ravi Shankar founded the Art of Living Foundation http://www.artofliving.org/founder.html In 1982, he started the Art of Living Foundation, a United Nations NGO and introduced to the world 'Sudarshan Kriya technique'a unique breathing process, which removes stress and negative toxins from the body by rejuvenating each and every cell. The Foundation aims at fostering health at every conceivable human level-mental, physical, emotional as well as spiritual. http://www.webindia123.com/personal/religious/sriravi.htm I took his basic course with him in 1994 or 95. By then, it was quite a mature movement -- in that some friends had been to india with him 4-5 years or more previously, lots of people on courses, including many former initiators, had been with him for a long time -- 6,7 years + Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4003
Steve, thanks for talking about your experiences in the battle zone of FFL! --- steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re:Deeksha dear rick, I saw my name mentioned in one of the recent posts regarding deeksha. I just got back on fflife tonite so here is my reply which is followed by a mailing i sent out here in texas. I know things sometimes get kind of rough on fflife so i am not going t o argue or get into intellectual and philosophical discussions about it. i do not take Bhagavan as my guru and I do not intend to defend him or his stated goals of bringing enlightenment to the masses. I have only my experiences to go on and the experiences of others with whom i have discussed this.This is about experiences, not talking about experiences. I was not looking for another path. It is not a technique, or a sadhana, or a religion. I have not been asked to recruit anyone or send them any money, even though I charge for giving deeksha. I called the monk in charge of organizing the US for Bhagavan and told her about the distraught Indian fellows post. I wanted to know what the deal was.it seems he conveniently failed to mention that they allow the Indians to take the 21 day process for free if they recruit 30 people. So perhaps his pressure was self induced. Whatever... I heard Ammachi say recentlydont expect to be praised for your good works. I imagine the fellow has an axe to grind and if his complaint is legitimate so be it. It is a young organization so there will be a learning curve. (Ithink we all have experienced the learning curve). I have only been getting deeksha since July but I now understand why people are so excited about it. Meditation has been my favorite sadhana but i admit i was like a rock. Meditation had often been very good but that was about it. After deeksha i had fantastic bliss along with waking state witnessing that was unmistakable. It was not like, Am i witnessing or just thinking about witnessing. It was strong and intense. Now there is frequent causeless joy. i can appreciate what Bhagavan is doing now that i saw the immensity of the structures and campuses that he has built and is building. There are 4 campuses in Golden City. Our accomodations had A/C, good drinking water on all the floors and were clean and beds made for us every day. it was designed with westerners in mind. Three other tm teachers were on my course. Even Purusha was represented. JAcque, the former national leader of Holland, is giving deeksha in Lelystad, the TM siddha village outside of amsterdam. He, of course told MMY what his experience was wit h deeksha, and MMy did not disapprove of his intentions. Jacque felt he should resign as national leader because of a conflict of interest perhaps. He was not asked to step down. I believe this month he is bringing a group of TM teachers to Golden City, near Chennai to be trained in deeksha. Sri Sri ravi Shankar, Chalanda Ma, the healer Ron Roth have all been wit hBhagavan recently and now give deeksha. I dont know how well trained Chalanda Ma's people are since I believe (i could be mistaken) she trained them herself. If you want to experience deeksha i would go with nathan zanick. Since most of the time we were in silence i did not get to discuss very much wit hothers altho a danish fellow told me the story of his healing of his torn meniscus in the middle of the nite the first nite he was there. I had my own healing miracle done by the doctor on the premises. My life is blissful every day. One thing troubled me. I realized that my body was not my body and tha t my thoughts were not my thoughts.Then the dasa told us we were just a concept, that we didnt really exist. i told my roommate i was pissed. first i am not my body, then i am not my thoughts and then i dont even exist. I paid thousands of dollars for this ? he responded,What are you worrying about? It wasnt your money. here is the email i sent out t ofriends in texas. its my story and i am sticking to it.!!! Dear friends, As some of you may know I have recently moved back to my house in Austin. I am glad to be home. I got back sept.16 and promptly left for India on sept. 30. Now I am here to stay. I will tell you my story briefly because it is an exciting one for me and the many thousands of others. For a variety of reasons I had decided in July of 2005 to leave the Devi Mandir where I had been with my guru Shree Maa for 6 years. I had planned to return to austin by oct. 1. In late july a TM friend and a member of the Devi Mandir family, Steven Shimer, said to me at his house in Fairfield, California, Steve, I have made more spiritual progress in the last 3 weeks than I have made in the last 10 years. I asked what he was doing and he and Kathy Unger, his wife told me they were going to Berkeley each week for deeksha. Of course I asked
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. 1993 at the DC course. Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was appointed or volunteered to walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC area and read a prepared statement, written either by Maharishi or some TMO higher up (I can check with Dean if anyone really wants to know). That statement included the phrase that SSRS was offering people sugar-coated poison. I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 10:13 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. For reference, in case anyone wants to read what Vaj said more carefully: snip Actually here's what I said: Actually I quoted exactly what you said, just apparently from a different post than you were thinking of, although you gave no indication of which one you were referring to. I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? Please try to read more carefully before commenting (or trying to cause arguments/trouble) Judy. What makes you think I was trying to cause arguments or trouble, Vaj? Do the facts represent trouble as far as you're concerned? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. 1993 at the DC course. Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was appointed or volunteered to walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC area and read a prepared statement, written either by Maharishi or some TMO higher up (I can check with Dean if anyone really wants to know). That statement included the phrase that SSRS was offering people sugar-coated poison. I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance. Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS supposedly not being true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... Who does the poison kill? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. 1993 at the DC course. Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was appointed or volunteered to walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC area and read a prepared statement, written either by Maharishi or some TMO higher up (I can check with Dean if anyone really wants to know). That statement included the phrase that SSRS was offering people sugar-coated poison. I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance. Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS supposedly not being true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... That referred specifically to the hyperventilation (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed to have said it was dangerous. There's lots of stuff about Shankar on alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if you may consider me as somehow arrogant, but I allow myself to tell you that I would like to open your eyes a little bit now. First of all I have already been an independent mind before, while and after having started with TM. My master is my master but he is not my mental guardian or nurse. I am a free man and not a mental slave. This as first preliminary vedic ideal to be mentioned and herewith postulated. Instead of asking, where Maharishi has been stating this or that the question would be much more intelligently raised by asking, how Maharishi would probably react in case you challenged his intellect by some tricky problematics. You may remember the commentary on the Bhagavadgita, where Maharishi described the necessity to challenge one's master in order to make him set free more knowledge. (By the way this challenge according to my opinion is not being taking place sufficiently by his disciples). Now after this introductory citation I come back to the main general point by whose solution your fundamental questioning of authority makes most of the consecutive doubtfully interposed questions at least formally obsolete. I myself took the opportunity to challenge Maharishi several times in my life in direct contact, in order to get the validation of that answer, which I have already been giving to myself through mere setting free of inherent CI (= Creative Intelligence). This is the self-evident purpose and result of this spiritual practice (self-unfolding in double sense of the word). In one case I brought my challenge to the peak point, because I dared to doubt about an old-established model even, which Maharishi had launched as one of his most fundamental ones. The reaction of the master gave me the proof that it was worth to herald him at such high esteem, because his answer was clear, modest and onepointed; I told him that the bubble-diagram must be wrong, because transcending according to the law of irreversability of processes in nature dictates the mind to walk in one direction only, and that is from Atman (point value of inifinity = smaller than the smallest) to Brahman (expanded value of infinity = bigger than the biggest). In fact smaller than the smallest is essentially the same as bigger than the biggest. This is the only reason, why the mind is enabled to transcend, that is to say just by rescuing itself in the most expanded value in order to be able to come back to the starting point of all manífestation. So I said to Maharishi, Transcending is a process of constant engrossment of the mantra until it reaches its most expanded value and such the mind alone can find back to its source. Without hesitation Maharishi agreed. It was in late summer 1979 at the Golden Hall at Seelisberg-Switzerland. He literrally said to me in presence of the audience: You are absolutely right in what you say. We just held this model as a working model for practical reasons only. So thinking by yourself is not only allowed but vital necessary, as already the great philosopher Immanuel Kant found out. His maxims of human thinking (= emancipation) were: 1. Think ! 2. Think by yourself ! 3. Think consecutively ! 4. Think up to the end ! Very often I have to doubt, whether meditators - in their tendency to regressive development - have ever come beyond stage 2. Whereas the majority of the population at average moves at least somwhere in between stage 2 and 3. A genuine spiritual seeker is expetced to range somewhere between thinking level 3 and 4. Maharishi has never taught to surrender in a non-critical manner. This are old-fashioned concepts out of the moth's chest of topsy-turby theories on Yoga, where constantly cause and effect got fatalistically turned upside down (best example: concentration is the input of meditation even though it is the output of the interaction of the three gunas in the mind (= samyama, which leads to the state of ekagrata parinama or constant flow of the mind in one thought (= what is meant by the real meaning of the word concentration). And this again is identical with the state of at least savikalpa-samadhi). Samadhi is by the way also a constant process and not a static state, the same way as diving is always going along with some effort to be able to stay underneath the surface and not a static notion, staying at one spot without further invested dynamics. Thank you for your comments, Hagen. What you have shared often seems to be missing in the various discussions here regarding Maharishi; that we should always 'seek' intelligently and vigorously, asking and challenging along the way. I agree with your assessment that this doesn't occur enough with Maharishi, and yet it is *absolutely vital* if the
[FairfieldLife] Iowa is, once again, a world spiritual oasis.
In the early 1970's when the news about MIU coming to Iowa surfaced,we were all jazzed about it in Iowa City. I remember a wise woman saying that once again Iowa would be a spiritual world capital. She said some great spiritual leader had been born there millenia ago, and had sown the seeds..of this spiritual revival..Hmmm. p e b Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chopra on Conservatism
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa is, once again, a world spiritual oasis.
--- paulvaranasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the early 1970's when the news about MIU coming to Iowa surfaced,we were all jazzed about it in Iowa City. I remember a wise woman saying that once again Iowa would be a spiritual world capital. She said some great spiritual leader had been born there millenia ago, and had sown the seeds..of this spiritual revival..Hmmm. p e b I think you hit it right with your, H. I've heard this same take many times too. Maybe just a bunch of spiritual people moved to Iowa because the housing was available-end of story. I like that story. A lot cleaner and with much less baggage to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
I love ya Hagen! I'd pick you for my team anytime. --- Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You may remember the commentary on the Bhagavadgita, where Maharishi described the necessity to challenge one's master in order to make him set free more knowledge. (By the way this challenge according to my opinion is not being taking place sufficiently by his disciples). Now after this introductory citation I come back to the main general point by whose solution your fundamental questioning of authority makes most of the consecutive doubtfully interposed questions at least formally obsolete. I myself took the opportunity to challenge Maharishi several times in my life in direct contact, in order to get the validation of that answer, which I have already been giving to myself through mere setting free of inherent CI (= Creative Intelligence). This is the self-evident purpose and result of this spiritual practice (self-unfolding in double sense of the word). In one case I brought my challenge to the peak point, because I dared to doubt about an old-established model even, which Maharishi had launched as one of his most fundamental ones. The reaction of the master gave me the proof that it was worth to herald him at such high esteem, because his answer was clear, modest and onepointed; I told him that the bubble-diagram must be wrong, because transcending according to the law of irreversability of processes in nature dictates the mind to walk in one direction only, and that is from Atman (point value of inifinity = smaller than the smallest) to Brahman (expanded value of infinity = bigger than the biggest). In fact smaller than the smallest is essentially the same as bigger than the biggest. This is the only reason, why the mind is enabled to transcend, that is to say just by rescuing itself in the most expanded value in order to be able to come back to the starting point of all manífestation. So I said to Maharishi, Transcending is a process of constant engrossment of the mantra until it reaches its most expanded value and such the mind alone can find back to its source. Without hesitation Maharishi agreed. It was in late summer 1979 at the Golden Hall at Seelisberg-Switzerland. He literrally said to me in presence of the audience: You are absolutely right in what you say. We just held this model as a working model for practical reasons only. So thinking by yourself is not only allowed but vital necessary, as already the great philosopher Immanuel Kant found out. His maxims of human thinking (= emancipation) were: 1. Think ! 2. Think by yourself ! 3. Think consecutively ! 4. Think up to the end ! Very often I have to doubt, whether meditators - in their tendency to regressive development - have ever come beyond stage 2. Whereas the majority of the population at average moves at least somwhere in between stage 2 and 3. A genuine spiritual seeker is expetced to range somewhere between thinking level 3 and 4. Maharishi has never taught to surrender in a non-critical manner. This are old-fashioned concepts out of the moth's chest of topsy-turby theories on Yoga, where constantly cause and effect got fatalistically turned upside down (best example: concentration is the input of meditation even though it is the output of the interaction of the three gunas in the mind (= samyama, which leads to the state of ekagrata parinama or constant flow of the mind in one thought (= what is meant by the real meaning of the word concentration). And this again is identical with the state of at least savikalpa-samadhi). Samadhi is by the way also a constant process and not a static state, the same way as diving is always going along with some effort to be able to stay underneath the surface and not a static notion, staying at one spot without further invested dynamics. Now further to your questions as inserts; - Original Message - From: Jason Spock To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) functioning based on the principle of three gunas: Rishi - Davata- Chanddhas Is this the exact term Maharishi uses to discribe these three things.?? Gunas As I preliminarily introduced it is not important to ask, whether Maharishi used to describe this manner, but whether it could make sense to describe it in such manner. And the answer will be yes, if you ask your own Maharishi (= the complete seer) inside yourself. That is the best Maharishi you could ever have and he will always match with the outer Maharishi, which should always be the mile-stone and your measure-scale but never your mental hurdle (just because you do not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra on Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2005/11/conservatism_co.html Yep, nothing like self-righteousness to be an icy-hearted, even cruel person to others, for their own good. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. 1993 at the DC course. Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was appointed or volunteered to walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC area and read a prepared statement, written either by Maharishi or some TMO higher up (I can check with Dean if anyone really wants to know). That statement included the phrase that SSRS was offering people sugar-coated poison. I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance. Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS supposedly not being true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... That referred specifically to the hyperventilation (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed to have said it was dangerous. There's lots of stuff about Shankar on alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though. I've been doing Sudarshan Kriya regularly along with my TM/TM-sidhi program for 15 years now. I really enjoy the technique. It pushes prana into your body and purifies it. Some TMer's like it and some can't stand it. What I like about the Art of Living organization is SSRS and the contact I've had with him. It took me a while to let go around him because I was so used to the formality of MMY and the TMO. But he's the bee's knees! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Yes, he was talking about SSRS. Re-Certified TM-governor Frank Lotz mentioned it. Here below From: "frank lotz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:37:46 +0100 (CET) The Bigger Picture - Sri Sri. RaviShankar Maharishis commentary on "ravi", the so called shankar": "Sugar caned poison". He is from my point of view a bad imitator of our Divine Master His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, despite of all his (ravis") so called success, only superficial, not much lasting influence! Lets take recourse to Maharishis Vedic Tradition, whether you call me fanatic or not, thats the point! Râm Frank Lotz From: "Vaj" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify whothis comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 11:49 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Why does the TM-org rabidly criticise Deepak Chopra and Sri Sri. Ravishankar.?? TM-governors claim MMY called him Sugar- Caned poison.?? Duh. One word: competition. Falling mantra sales doesn't make M. happy. Isn't that obvious? Of course, it's also easy to rationalize it as some sort of cosmic scenario. I have NEVER heard anyone claim that MMY ever said anything ill about Chopra. I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? I tend to doubt that MMY would say anything good or bad about SSRS either. Paying attention to someone gives them strength afterall. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, he was talking about SSRS. Re-Certified TM-governor Frank Lotz mentioned it. Here below From: frank lotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:37:46 +0100 (CET) The Bigger Picture - Sri Sri. RaviShankar Maharishis commentary on ravi, the so called shankar: Sugar caned poison. He is from my point of view a bad imitator of our Divine Master His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, despite of all his (ravis) so called success, only superficial, not much lasting influence! Lets take recourse to Maharishis Vedic Tradition, whether you call me fanatic or not, that's the point! Râm Frank Lotz Perhaps he DID say that about SSRS. It seems less-than worthwhile to bother responding to questions about former students, but o well. From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
OTOH, it was also somewhat arrogant of Ronnie to tell him what he could or couldn't say. Same thing for those who try to shut down the fundamentalists or anyone else. Rude or not, if a philosophy can't stand up to criticism from even one person, one does wonder. I did the kriya for a while and didn't get much out of it, altho I liked SSRS (we called him Punditji back in the good old days). Then again, I didn't get much out of the sidhis either. Sal On Nov 14, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Peter wrote: I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS supposedly not being true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment from MMY in guru speak. It was never clear what Dean's beef was. My understanding was they thought SSRS was stealing TM people to join his movement or taking advantage of his former association with the TMO to get members. None of this was or is true, of course. SSRS wanted to teach Sudarshan Kriya within the TMO and asked MMY if he could. MMY told him to go out on his own to teach it. He didn't leave MMY for over a year after MMY told him this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Article: Meditation associated with structural changes in brain
This looks like a good one to send feedback, there is an opportunity at the end of the article Meditation associated with structural changes in brain Regular meditation appears to produce structural changes in areas of the brain associated with attention and sensory processing, a study has found. (Story in World Science) http://www.world-science.net/othernews/051113_meditatefrm.htm - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, ³What is going on in Fairfield?² The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Though, for better or worse, FF is not listed in Hippie Havens, but all of the above are. Regardless, it provides some insight, or at least POVs about the above places and many more. http://www.hippy.com/havens.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
on 11/14/05 10:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That referred specifically to the hyperventilation (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed to have said it was dangerous. There's lots of stuff about Shankar on alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though. Amma also cautions against intense forms of pranayama. Peter, have there been instances of people blowing their circuits out doing this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups
I just emailed them. on 11/14/05 1:12 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, ³What is going on in Fairfield?² The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Though, for better or worse, FF is not listed in Hippie Havens, but all of the above are. Regardless, it provides some insight, or at least POVs about the above places and many more. http://www.hippy.com/havens.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Days of Our Lives (Youth)
http://www.hippy.com/php/article-15.html I find timelines can be interesting -- jogging memories of what we were doing when these events occurred -- and can help in reconstrucing other timelines like the TMO (this course had to be near these dates because I remember the announcement about ... dying. A few key years (many more on link) 1967 Jan 14 - Gathering of the Tribes, First Human Be-In, 20,000, S.F. Jan 27 - US, USSR, UK sign treaty banning nuclear weapons in space Feb - 25,000 US troops sent to Cambodian border Feb - Beatles release Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane, Michelle, Yesterday Mar - Scientist report LSD causes chromosome damage (never validated). Mar - The Berkeley Barb starts the smokable banana rumor (based upon Donovan's song Mellow Yellow) Mar 3 - Alice B. Toklas dies Mar 18 - First U.S. supertanker wreck. Torrey Canyon spills 90,000 tons of oil onto English shores Mar 26 - Be-In at Central Park in NY. 10,000 attend Apr 5 - Grayline starts hippie tours of Haight/Ashbury Apr 10 - Vietnam Week starts. Draft card burnings and anti-draft demonstrations Apr 15 - Anti-Vietnam War protest. 400,000 march from Central Park to UN. Speeches by Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael and Dr. Benjamin Spock May - Paul McCartney announces that all the Beatles have dropped acid. May 19 - First U.S. air strike on Hanoi May 20 - Flower Power Day in NYC 1967 Jun 2 - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album by the Beatles released. Jun 16 - Monterey Pop Festival Jun 21 - Summer Solstice Party in Golden Gate Park Jun 25 - Beatles sing All You Need Is Love on TV 1967 Jun 30 - 448,400 US troops now in Vietnam July - The Summer of Love in San Francisco July - Summer of Rioting in the US. Blacks take to the streets in Chicago, Brooklyn, Cleveland and Baltimore July 1 - Sgt. Pepper hits #1 July 11 - Newark riots start long hot summer July 24 - 43 Die in Detroit rioting, worst in U.S. history July 26 - H. Rap Brown arrested for inciting a riot in Maryland July 29 - Door's Light My Fire and Procol Harem's Whiter Shade of Pale vie for #1 Aug 26 - Jimi Hendrix's Are You Experienced hits the charts Aug 27 - Beatles in India with Maharishi informed of Brian Epstein's death Sept - Richard Alpert meets Bhagwan Dass at the Blue Tibetan in Katmandu, stays in India follows him until he meets his guru. Sept 15 - Donovan performs at the Hollywood Bowl Oct 3 - Woody Guthrie dies Oct 8 - Che Guevarra killed in Bolivia by US-trained troops Oct 12 - Big Brother and the Holding Company's Cheap Thrills with Janis Joplin at top of LP charts. Oct 20 - Seven KKK members convicted of conspiracy in 1964 murders of three civil rights worker Oct 21-22 - Anti-war protesters storm the Pentagon Oct 21 - Diggers exorcise the Pentagon. 35,000 Demonstrate, 647 arrested Oct 26 - Draft deferments eliminated for those who violate draft laws or interfere with recruitment Nov 14 - Air Quality Act provides $428 million to fight air pollution Nov 20 - National Commission on Product Safety established Dec - Beatles release Magical Mystery Tour Dec - 486,000 American troops in Vietnam, of the 15,000 killed to date, 60% died in 1967. Dec - Stop the Draft movement organized by 40 antiwar groups, nationwide protests ensue. Dec 5 - 1000 antiwar protesters try to close NYC induction center. 585 arrested including Allen Ginsberg and Dr. Benjamin Spock Dec 5 - Beatles open Apple Shop in London Dec 8 - Otis Redding records Dock of the Bay Dec 10 - Otis Redding dies in plane crash Dec 22 - Owsley busted, stops making acid Dec 31 - Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Paul Krassner, Dick Gregory, friends pronounce themselves Yippies 1968 Jan 16 - Youth International Party (Yippies) founded Jan 18 - Eartha Kitt visiting LBJ at White House speaks out against the war Jan 22 - B-52 carrying H-bomb crashes in Greenland Jan 23 - USS Pueblo seized by Korea Jan 31 - Viet Cong launch Tet Offensive Feb - Timothy Leary evicted from Millbrook house Feb - Beatles go to India to visit Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at Rishikesh on the Ganges river. Mia Farrow, Donovan follow. Feb 8 - George Wallace announce candidacy for President on law and order platform Mar 12 - Eugene McCarthy wins 42% of New Hampshire vote in presidential primary Mar 16 - My Lai massacre 200 - 500 Vietnamese villagers killed Mar 16 - Robert F. Kennedy announces candidacy for President Mar 31 - LBJ announces decision not to run again and offers partial Vietnam bombing halt Apr 4 - Martin Luther King shot and killed in Memphis Apr - The week following Martin Luther King Jr.'s murder sees black uprisings in 125 cities across the U.S. Apr 6 - Oakland Police ambush Black Panthers. Eldridge Cleaver arrested with a bullet-shattered leg. Bobby Hutton shot and killed. Apr 8 - Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs established (DEA) Apr 11 - LBJ signs civil rights bill banning housing discrimination Apr 11 - Major call-up of reserves for duty in Vietnam Apr 14 - Love-in at Malibu Canyon, Calif. Apr 15 -
[FairfieldLife] Hopi Prophecy
From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/ Turning to the Hopi tradition, one of the most memorable speakers came on March 27, 2001. Hopi Elder Chief Dan Evehema had this message for mankind:"We Hopi believe that the human race has passed through three different worlds and life ways since the beginning. At the end of each prior world, human life has been purified or punished by the Great Spirit, or Massau, due mainly to corruption, greed and turning away from the Great Spirit's teachings. The last great destruction was the flood which destroyed all but a few faithful ones who asked and received a permission from the Great Spirit to live with Him in this new land. The Great Spirit said, `It is up to you, if you are willing to live my poor, humble and simple life way. It is hard but if you agree to live according to my teachings and instructions, if you never lose faith in the life I shall give you, you may come and live with me.' The Hopi and all who were saved from the great flood made a sacred covenant with the Great Spirit at that time. We Hopi made an oath that we will never! turn away from Him. For us the Creator's laws never change or break down. "We are now faced with great problems, not only here but throughout the land. Ancient cultures are being annihilated. Our people's lands are being taken from them, leaving them no place to call their own. Why is this happening? It is happening because many have given up or manipulated their original spiritual teachings. The way of life which the Great Spirit has given to all its people of the world, whatever your original instructions are not being honored. It is because of this great sickness-called greed, which infects every land and country that simple people are losing what they have kept for thousands of years. "Now we are at the very end of our trail. Many people no longer recognize the true path of the Great Spirit. They have, in fact, no respect for the Great Spirit or for our precious Mother Earth, who gives us all life. "We are instructed in our ancient prophecy that this would occur. We were told that someone would try to go up to the moon: that they would bring something back from the moon; and that after that, nature would show signs of losing its balance. Now we see that coming about. All over the world there are now many signs that nature is no longer in balance. Floods, drought, earthquakes, and great storms are occurring and causing much suffering. We do not want this to occur in our country and we pray to the Great Spirit to save us from such things. But there are now signs that this very same thing might happen very soon on our own land."As with Mayan tradition, Hopi prophecy also talks of us having Four Worlds, with the Fifth World about to emerge from the ashes of the Fourth, the timing signified by Nine Signs: The coming of white-skinned men, who take land that is not theirs and who strike their enemies with thunder (guns) The coming of spinning wheels filled with voices (covered wagons) A strange beast like a buffalo but with long horns that overruns the land in large numbers (cattle) The land is crossed by snakes of iron (railroad tracks) The land is crossed by a giant spider's web (power lines) The land is crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun (mirages on asphalt and concrete roads) The sea turns black, killing many living things (oil spills) Many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come to the tribal nations to learn our ways and wisdom (hippies) A dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, falls with a great crash, appearing as a blue star (future demise of a space station?). These are the signs of impending great destruction, or `columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts (above- ground atomic testing). Following the destruction, `there will be much to rebuild.' And very soon afterward, The Great Spirit (known as Pahana or Massau) will return, bringing with him the dawn of the Fifth World. Hopi Prophecy RockThe famous Hopi Prophecy Rock clearly depicts two paths:1) A `two-hearted path,' with three individuals upon it. A two-hearted person is one who thinks with his head rather than his heart. Modern man is out of balance because he lives in a left-brain dominated society, leading to imbalance and conflict, and ultimately to the destruction of those on it. 2) A `one-hearted path,' or one that is in balance and harmony with the universe.The Prophecy Rock shows a junction where the two-hearted people have a choice of choosing to start thinking with their hearts or continue to think with their heads only. If they choose the latter, it will lead to self-destruction, symbolized by the lightning strike from a cloud. If people chose to think with their hearts, they will return to the one-hearted path and their own survival. The Rock shows three half-circles that represent three
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY
Hey! Haven't heard that phrase in a long time, man. --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Peter wrote: I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. Maybe he was just saying. you are either on the bus or off the bus. http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/showphoto.php/photo/83944/cat/1181 (ken kesey quote) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM? --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new friend here said something intresting, Ravishankar would be ready to let me initiate hundreds and thousands of his followers provided a) I got an authorisation from the TM-Movement to do so and b) that the TM-Movement stopped to behave like a fanatic muslim organization- I was positively shocked and tried to get in touch with the TM-movement. No reply. From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Days of Our Lives (Youth)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hippy.com/php/article-15.html I find timelines can be interesting -- jogging memories of what we were doing when these events occurred -- and can help in reconstrucing other timelines like the TMO (this course had to be near these dates because I remember the announcement about ... dying. Start of a TMO Timeline (TMO stuff preceeded by * -- interspersed with the rest of counter culture / world. Please feel free to add. 1967 * Early 1967 or Late 1966, MMY announces he will return to India and go into lifetime silence. Jan 14 - Gathering of the Tribes, First Human Be-In, 20,000, S.F. Jan 27 - US, USSR, UK sign treaty banning nuclear weapons in space Feb - 25,000 US troops sent to Cambodian border Feb - Beatles release Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane, Michelle, Yesterday Mar - Scientist report LSD causes chromosome damage (never validated). Mar - The Berkeley Barb starts the smokable banana rumor (based upon Donovan's song Mellow Yellow) Mar 3 - Alice B. Toklas dies Mar 18 - First U.S. supertanker wreck. Torrey Canyon spills 90,000 tons of oil onto English shores Mar 26 - Be-In at Central Park in NY. 10,000 attend * Spring 1967 TMer Robbie Krieger, part of LA SIMS Gayley Ave UCLA wave of initiates writes Lighter My Fire. Other song written by Krieger or Morrison -- later on first Doors album Take it as It Comes. Apr 5 - Grayline starts hippie tours of Haight/Ashbury Apr 10 - Vietnam Week starts. Draft card burnings and anti-draft demonstrations Apr 15 - Anti-Vietnam War protest. 400,000 march from Central Park to UN. Speeches by Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael and Dr. Benjamin Spock May - Paul McCartney announces that all the Beatles have dropped acid. May 19 - First U.S. air strike on Hanoi May 20 - Flower Power Day in NYC 1967 Jun 2 - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album by the Beatles released. Jun 16 - Monterey Pop Festival Early Summer 1967 -- Beatles initiated into TM Jun 21 - Summer Solstice Party in Golden Gate Park Jun 25 - Beatles sing All You Need Is Love on TV 1967 Jun 30 - 448,400 US troops now in Vietnam July - The Summer of Love in San Francisco July - Summer of Rioting in the US. Blacks take to the streets in Chicago, Brooklyn, Cleveland and Baltimore July 1 - Sgt. Pepper hits #1 July 11 - Newark riots start long hot summer July 24 - 43 Die in Detroit rioting, worst in U.S. history July 26 - H. Rap Brown arrested for inciting a riot in Maryland * July 29 - Door's Light My Fire and Procol Harem's Whiter Shade of Pale vie for #1 Aug 26 - Jimi Hendrix's Are You Experienced hits the charts Aug 27 - Beatles in India with Maharishi informed of Brian Epstein's death * Above is in original timeline. I beleive it is partially an error. the Beattles were with M in London. yes? Rishikesh course was spring of 1968. Sept - Richard Alpert meets Bhagwan Dass at the Blue Tibetan in Katmandu, stays in India follows him until he meets his guru. Sept 15 - Donovan performs at the Hollywood Bowl * Early Oct 1967 MMY lectures on west coast. Two public lectures at filled Berkeley Community Theatre. Says no need to give up anything for cosmic consciousness. Crowd cheers. Flyers handed out inviting all Students of the World to gain Cosmic Consciousness in five years. TM 2x day for 20 min and a week residence cours 2x (?) / year. Berekely Channing Ave Center opened. Grand building (former upscale frat house) Oct 3 - Woody Guthrie dies Oct 8 - Che Guevarra killed in Bolivia by US-trained troops Oct 12 - Big Brother and the Holding Company's Cheap Thrills with Janis Joplin at top of LP charts. Oct 20 - Seven KKK members convicted of conspiracy in 1964 murders of three civil rights worker Oct 21-22 - Anti-war protesters storm the Pentagon Oct 21 - Diggers exorcise the Pentagon. 35,000 Demonstrate, 647 arrested Oct 26 - Draft deferments eliminated for those who violate draft laws or interfere with recruitment Nov 2-7, or so, people lined up around the block to be initiated into TM. Jerry Jarvis, Carol Hanbie, Pete Ports (I think), Colin Harrision (?), Terry Gustafson (get back jojo) intiated day and night for a week. Pauley Ballroom at UC Berkeley filled for three-nights checking. Awesome group meditations. * UCB dedicates a large room on campus as meditation room. Nov 14 - Air Quality Act provides $428 million to fight air pollution Nov 20 - National Commission on Product Safety established Dec - Beatles release Magical Mystery Tour Dec - 486,000 American troops in Vietnam, of the 15,000 killed to date, 60% died in 1967. Dec - Stop the Draft movement organized by 40 antiwar groups, nationwide protests ensue. Dec 5 - 1000 antiwar protesters try to close NYC induction center. 585 arrested including Allen Ginsberg and Dr. Benjamin Spock Dec 5 - Beatles open Apple Shop in London Dec 8 - Otis Redding records Dock of the Bay Dec 10 - Otis
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 10:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That referred specifically to the hyperventilation (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed to have said it was dangerous. There's lots of stuff about Shankar on alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though. Amma also cautions against intense forms of pranayama. Peter, have there been instances of people blowing their circuits out doing this? None that I've heard about. Maybe its the three cycles of long, medium and short that make it easier on the body. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. Since none of this is dated or given a clear reference it's hard to tell what the actual comment was. M. has certainly had many comments leveled against him by other gurus as well, so this ain't real surprising behavior in the spiritual supermarket. Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, it seemed very strange that he would criticize SSRS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Days of Our Lives (Youth)
My God, how did we ever get through those four years? Quite a trip to read this. On one hand, it feels like stuff you'd read about in a history book, long over and done with; and on the other, there's the very vivid personal memories of it all happening. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hippy.com/php/article-15.html I find timelines can be interesting -- jogging memories of what we were doing when these events occurred -- and can help in reconstrucing other timelines like the TMO (this course had to be near these dates because I remember the announcement about ... dying. A few key years (many more on link) 1967 Jan 14 - Gathering of the Tribes, First Human Be-In, 20,000, S.F. Jan 27 - US, USSR, UK sign treaty banning nuclear weapons in space Feb - 25,000 US troops sent to Cambodian border Feb - Beatles release Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane, Michelle, Yesterday Mar - Scientist report LSD causes chromosome damage (never validated). Mar - The Berkeley Barb starts the smokable banana rumor (based upon Donovan's song Mellow Yellow) Mar 3 - Alice B. Toklas dies Mar 18 - First U.S. supertanker wreck. Torrey Canyon spills 90,000 tons of oil onto English shores Mar 26 - Be-In at Central Park in NY. 10,000 attend Apr 5 - Grayline starts hippie tours of Haight/Ashbury Apr 10 - Vietnam Week starts. Draft card burnings and anti-draft demonstrations Apr 15 - Anti-Vietnam War protest. 400,000 march from Central Park to UN. Speeches by Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael and Dr. Benjamin Spock May - Paul McCartney announces that all the Beatles have dropped acid. May 19 - First U.S. air strike on Hanoi May 20 - Flower Power Day in NYC 1967 Jun 2 - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album by the Beatles released. Jun 16 - Monterey Pop Festival Jun 21 - Summer Solstice Party in Golden Gate Park Jun 25 - Beatles sing All You Need Is Love on TV 1967 Jun 30 - 448,400 US troops now in Vietnam July - The Summer of Love in San Francisco July - Summer of Rioting in the US. Blacks take to the streets in Chicago, Brooklyn, Cleveland and Baltimore July 1 - Sgt. Pepper hits #1 July 11 - Newark riots start long hot summer July 24 - 43 Die in Detroit rioting, worst in U.S. history July 26 - H. Rap Brown arrested for inciting a riot in Maryland July 29 - Door's Light My Fire and Procol Harem's Whiter Shade of Pale vie for #1 Aug 26 - Jimi Hendrix's Are You Experienced hits the charts Aug 27 - Beatles in India with Maharishi informed of Brian Epstein's death Sept - Richard Alpert meets Bhagwan Dass at the Blue Tibetan in Katmandu, stays in India follows him until he meets his guru. Sept 15 - Donovan performs at the Hollywood Bowl Oct 3 - Woody Guthrie dies Oct 8 - Che Guevarra killed in Bolivia by US-trained troops Oct 12 - Big Brother and the Holding Company's Cheap Thrills with Janis Joplin at top of LP charts. Oct 20 - Seven KKK members convicted of conspiracy in 1964 murders of three civil rights worker Oct 21-22 - Anti-war protesters storm the Pentagon Oct 21 - Diggers exorcise the Pentagon. 35,000 Demonstrate, 647 arrested Oct 26 - Draft deferments eliminated for those who violate draft laws or interfere with recruitment Nov 14 - Air Quality Act provides $428 million to fight air pollution Nov 20 - National Commission on Product Safety established Dec - Beatles release Magical Mystery Tour Dec - 486,000 American troops in Vietnam, of the 15,000 killed to date, 60% died in 1967. Dec - Stop the Draft movement organized by 40 antiwar groups, nationwide protests ensue. Dec 5 - 1000 antiwar protesters try to close NYC induction center. 585 arrested including Allen Ginsberg and Dr. Benjamin Spock Dec 5 - Beatles open Apple Shop in London Dec 8 - Otis Redding records Dock of the Bay Dec 10 - Otis Redding dies in plane crash Dec 22 - Owsley busted, stops making acid Dec 31 - Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Paul Krassner, Dick Gregory, friends pronounce themselves Yippies 1968 Jan 16 - Youth International Party (Yippies) founded Jan 18 - Eartha Kitt visiting LBJ at White House speaks out against the war Jan 22 - B-52 carrying H-bomb crashes in Greenland Jan 23 - USS Pueblo seized by Korea Jan 31 - Viet Cong launch Tet Offensive Feb - Timothy Leary evicted from Millbrook house Feb - Beatles go to India to visit Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at Rishikesh on the Ganges river. Mia Farrow, Donovan follow. Feb 8 - George Wallace announce candidacy for President on law and order platform Mar 12 - Eugene McCarthy wins 42% of New Hampshire vote in presidential primary Mar 16 - My Lai massacre 200 - 500 Vietnamese villagers killed Mar 16 - Robert F. Kennedy announces candidacy for President Mar 31 - LBJ announces decision not to run again and offers partial Vietnam bombing halt Apr 4 - Martin Luther King shot and killed in Memphis Apr - The week following Martin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. 1993 at the DC course. Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was appointed or volunteered to walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC area and read a prepared statement, written either by Maharishi or some TMO higher up (I can check with Dean if anyone really wants to know). That statement included the phrase that SSRS was offering people sugar-coated poison. It would be interesting to find out if this was MMY's insecurity showing through, or, say, Bevan's... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Thanks a bit
Thanks Pete, Jim and others for the appreciation of my recent comments. If I start to write, knowledgeincreasingly flows and I am often surprised, what comes out, because in some aspects it is also new for me even :-). If you start to be more and more bold about the inner intelligence, which always safe-guards you from false conclusions as long as you are listening more to yourself than to others (without vanity and arrogance), then you walk in a real sphere of freedom and multiple communication can take place.. Peter, by the way, what do you mean bytaking me into"your team" ? :-) Hagen To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. 1993 at the DC course. Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was appointed or volunteered to walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC area and read a prepared statement, written either by Maharishi or some TMO higher up (I can check with Dean if anyone really wants to know). That statement included the phrase that SSRS was offering people sugar-coated poison. I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance. Also shows poor taste, poor judgement, etc. Its a variation of street preaching, and door to door evangelism, which MMY always denounced as beneath the TMO. Very sad. Its also what the TMO and MAPI accused Andrew Skolnick of doing in their lawsuit against him. Beyond sad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
For sure into TM. - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM? --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new friend here said something intresting, Ravishankar would be ready to let me initiate hundreds and thousands of his followers provided a) I got an authorisation from the TM-Movement to do so and b) that the TM-Movement stopped to behave like a fanatic muslim organization- I was positively shocked and tried to get in touch with the TM-movement. No reply. From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did not talk about his past association with the TMO. It was like when a Christian fundamentalist would show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such great conviction about how they were right and you were wrong. The poor audience is usually left completely baffled by this display of spiritual arrogance. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Thanks a lot, for your reply taking much time of yours. I appreciate it. Few more clarifications. I told him that the bubble-diagram must be wrong, because transcending according to the law of irreversability of processes in naturedictates the mind to walk in one direction only, Mind walks in one direction only.?? In what mode of interpertaion is this.?? Did Maharishi say something like that.?? Samadhi is the same way "above" the mind as it is "part of it". The same way as the center of the wheel is "above" the wheel, because it is never reachable only by approximation and yet "part of it", because it is definitely "in" the wheel. This is the everlasting dialectics of all phenomena. There is no fixable halt. Centre of the wheel is above the wheel.?? I know that the centre of the wheel is part of the wheel. what you probably mean here is that the centre is the axis, the hub and it controls the wheel. It is said that by obeyance of certain laws of currents (to be taken ingeneral and not only the electric ones) without much usage of space or armatures it can be done. I am still stumped by this "free energy" What laws.?? General currents.?? From: "Hagen J. Holtz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:50:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Even if you may consider me as somehow arrogant,but I allow myself to tell you that I would like to open your eyes a little bit now. First of all I have already been an independent mind before, while and after having started with TM. My master is my master but he is not my mental guardian or nurse. I am a free man and not a mental slave. This as first preliminary vedic ideal to be mentioned and herewithpostulated. Instead of asking, where Maharishi has been stating this or that the question would be much more intelligently raised by asking, how Maharishi would probablyreact in case you challenged his intellect bysome tricky problematics. You may remember the commentary on the Bhagavadgita, where Maharishi described the necessity to challenge one's master in order to make him set freemore knowledge. (By the way this challenge according to my opinion is not being taking place sufficiently by his disciples). Now after this introductory citation I come back to the main generalpoint by whose solution your fundamental questioning of authority makes most of the consecutive doubtfully interposed questions at least formally obsolete. I myself took the opportunity to challenge Maharishi several times in my life in direct contact, in order to get the validation of that answer, which I have already been giving to myself through mere setting free of inherentCI (= Creative Intelligence).This is the self-evident purpose and resultof this spiritual practice (self-unfolding in double sense of the word). In one case I brought my challenge to the peak point, because I dared to doubt about an old-establishedmodel even, which Maharishi had launched as one of his most fundamental ones. The reaction of the master gave me the proof that it was worth to herald him at such high esteem, because his answer was clear, modest and onepointed; I told him that the bubble-diagram must be wrong, because transcending according to the law of irreversability of processes in naturedictates the mind to walk in one direction only,and that is from Atman (point value of inifinity = smaller than the smallest) to Brahman (expanded value of infinity = bigger than the biggest). In fact smaller than the smallest is essentially the same as bigger than the biggest. This is the only reason, why the mind is enabled to transcend, that is to say just by rescuing itself in the most expanded value in order to be able tocome backto the "starting point" of all manífestation. So I said to Maharishi, "Transcending is a process of constant engrossment of the mantra until it reaches its most expanded value and such the mindalonecan find back to its source." Without hesitation Maharishi agreed. It was in late summer1979 at the Golden Hall at Seelisberg-Switzerland. He literrally said to mein presence ofthe audience: "You are absolutely right in what you say. We just held this model as a working model for practical reasons only." So thinking by yourself is not only allowed but vital necessary, as already the great philosopher Immanuel Kant found out. His maxims of human thinking(= emancipation) were: 1. Think ! 2.Think by yourself ! 3.Think consecutively ! 4.Think up tothe end ! Very often I have to doubt, whether meditators - in their tendency to regressive development - have ever come beyond stage "2". Whereas the majority of the population at average moves at least somwhere in between stage 2 and 3. A genuine spiritual seeker is expetced to range somewhere between thinking level 3 and 4. Maharishi has never taught to surrender in a non-critical manner. This are old-fashioned concepts out
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
I think that's exactly what he meant. From: "Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:19:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM? Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS supposedly not being true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment from MMY in guru speak. So you are indicating MMY meant it to say, it is a sweet way of killing off the small self? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India which is slightly different than the TM taught in the US and europe. A puja is performed to Guru Dev just like in TM. It is TM. This is what makes me doubt the veracity of your friends report. --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that's exactly what he meant. From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:19:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM? - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India which is slightly different than the TM taught in the US and europe. A puja is performed to Guru Dev just like in TM. It is TM. This is what makes me doubt the veracity of your friends report. What is the difference? Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached
In a typical move, Global Good News has simulated a reprint of this article from the NYT, but all negative news has been deleted -- specifically, the inconclusive research on TM at the U of Michigan noted in paragraph 19, and the student who was interested in learning TM only until he found out it costs $2500 (next-to-last paragraph in original NYT article): http://tinyurl.com/89ykj http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html Earth's Future Peacemakers Just Need a Little T.M. ⢠Sign In to E-Mail This ⢠Printer-Friendly ⢠Save Article By LILY KOPPEL Published: November 14, 2005 DAVID LYNCH, the filmmaker known for his distorted, labyrinthine worlds, wants America's young people to clear their minds. The David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace, formed in July, is raising money to bring Transcendental Meditation to students from first grade through college. Mr. Lynch's vision involves raising $7 billion and creating universities dedicated to earth's future peacemakers. Diving within to the energy and bliss is how Mr. Lynch, who has been meditating for 30 of his 59 years, puts it. He hopes diving within will be standard in every student's curriculum. Pouring water on this root, these kids, he said. Enlightenment is the fulfillment of the most exquisite machine on earth. Any human being can visit it. Anything that is a thing emerges from this thing. Mr. Lynch's explanations are certainly imaginative, a film of his mind: The word transcending is the key to it, to the very deepest, most profound eternal level; It's not a joke. It's a thing that works. Mankind is not meant to suffer; This is an ocean of bliss. It's like grabbing onto the biggest elec trical line filled with bliss. Mr. Lynch, who is working on a film Inland Empire, practices T.M. 20 minutes twice a day by sitting in a comfortable position, closing his eyes and repeating a mantra. He says it allows him to enjoy the doing of things more. If somebody is a filmmaker, they get rid of things like deep fear, anxiety, frustration, he said of meditation's benefits. It's the real deal. The whole enchilada. You will fall deeper into the film. Notoriously reclusive, Mr. Lynch has come on stage to spread Consciousness-Based Education with fall speaking tours to universities on the East and West coasts. I really think it will change the world, he said. It's all imagination. The Lynch Foundation, with assets of about $410,000, has awarded so far $25,000 each in seed money to seven schools, three public charter schools, three public schools and one private school for children with learning disabilities, all of which requested help. Only two of the charter schools agreed to discuss their meditation program publicly because the other five schools were involved in research studies related to T.M., the foundation said. We have not gotten so much yet, Mr. Lynch said. But there are indications that we are going to do really well. Several of the seven schools received matching grants from other foundations and philanthropists who partnered with the Lynch Foundation. He is going to revolutionize education in America, said Dr. George H. Rutherford, principal of the Ideal Academy Public Charter School, an elementary and middle school in Washington. Dr. Rutherford said that many foundations call to donate computers, but what he needs is Transcendental Meditation so that the students can concentrate better to use the equipment. T.M. helps to reduce the stress that creates problems, he said. A meditation component is written into Ideal's charter, which was approved by the Board of Education and the Charter Association, both in Washington. Researchers at the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, will measure the effects. To train teachers and fifth- and sixth-grade students, Ideal received $75,000 - $25,000 from the Lynch Foundation and a larger partnering gift from Jeffrey F. Abramson, a principal in a Washington real estate company and the Abramson Family Foundation, a founder of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. After completing training, homeroom teachers will lead meditation, a new age variation on the Pledge of Allegiance. Training is led by instructors from the Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation, also in Fairfield, Iowa. The seven-step program costs $2,500 a student. Last month, a Lynch Foundation's gift of $25,000 went to the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse of Detroit, a public charter school, which previously received T.M. financing from the DaimlerChrysler Corporation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article: Meditation associated with structural changes in brain
FYI, this research was about insight meditation, has nothing to do with TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like a good one to send feedback, there is an opportunity at the end of the article Meditation associated with structural changes in brain Regular meditation appears to produce structural changes in areas of the brain associated with attention and sensory processing, a study has found. (Story in World Science) http://www.world-science.net/othernews/051113_meditatefrm.htm - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
on 11/14/05 3:05 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India which is slightly different than the TM taught in the US and europe. In what way is it different? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Days of Our Lives (Youth)
on 11/14/05 2:36 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My God, how did we ever get through those four years? Quite a trip to read this. On one hand, it feels like stuff you'd read about in a history book, long over and done with; and on the other, there's the very vivid personal memories of it all happening. Those were fascinating times. I wish I had hitchhiked from Connecticut to Haight-Ashbury in the summer of '67 instead of from New Jersey to Los Angeles in the spring of '68. But these are fascinating times too, and may become much more so as the next half-dozen years unfold. More cataclysmic I predict, but also more subjectively transformational for many of us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 3:05 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India which is slightly different than the TM taught in the US and europe. In what way is it different? I have not learned it. SSRS tells TM people that if they're satisfied with their TM they should continue with that. It's like a TM advanced technique in terms of where you think the mantra. If you have this technique, you know what I'm talking about. SSRS seems to put more attention on the Sidarshan Kriya than on meditation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, it seemed very strange that he would criticize SSRS. I would see MMY and SSRS as having a much closer connection than MMY and Chopra. SSRS sees MMY as his guru. MMY saw SSRS when he was 12 when he visited a Brahmin school in India. MMY asked SSRS parents to have him stay with him. They agreed and SSRS was with MMY running the TMO in India for close to 20 years. SSRS has a room for MMY in his ashram in south India always ready for him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS supposedly not being true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment from MMY in guru speak. So you are indicating MMY meant it to say, it is a sweet way of killing off the small self? Yes. SSRS is Brahman that is very sattvic and sweet. You can have a very casual, open relationship with him. Nothing is formal at all. But That infinite consciousness will eat you up though. In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. However, in my experience, SSRS is much more personal and actually knows you on the level of the personality. SSRS also does very specific things for you if you ask him. It's pretty amazing. SSRS has infinite respect and gratitude towards MMY and always speaks highly of him with great love and devotion in his voice. I've also heard him tell some pretty funny ashram stories. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS supposedly not being true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics with regard to the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by the way... Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment from MMY in guru speak. So you are indicating MMY meant it to say, it is a sweet way of killing off the small self? Yes. SSRS is Brahman that is very sattvic and sweet. You can have a very casual, open relationship with him. Nothing is formal at all. But That infinite consciousness will eat you up though. In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. However, in my experience, SSRS is much more personal and actually knows you on the level of the personality. SSRS also does very specific things for you if you ask him. It's pretty amazing. SSRS has infinite respect and gratitude towards MMY and always speaks highly of him with great love and devotion in his voice. I've also heard him tell some pretty funny ashram stories. Sounds like a great guy. Thanks for clearing that up! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chopra/MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? A friend of mine who is a chiropractor and was one of the first doctors of any kind trained in MAV, sat with Dr. Raju in India and did thousands of pulses under his tutelage, then was the director, for about five years of a MAV clinic, was told directly, once Deepak become perona non grata, by the Upper Mucky Mucks that all items in the clinic that were related to Deepak had to be immediately removed AND that s/he, personally, was to no longer have any personal association with Chopra. It was at this point that s/he cut all ties with the movement and has been quite successful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a typical move, Global Good News has simulated a reprint of this article from the NYT, but all negative news has been deleted -- specifically, the inconclusive research on TM at the U of Michigan noted in paragraph 19, and the student who was interested in learning TM only until he found out it costs $2500 (next-to-last paragraph in original NYT article): http://tinyurl.com/89ykj http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html Still trying to obvuscate I see.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Buy a Home, and Drag Society Down
Interesting article relevant to points discussed in various posts yesterday. THE recent proposals by President Bush's panel on tax reform led to a debate on whether the mortgage interest deduction was unfair, providing a huge subsidy for the rich while doing little for low-income Americans. But that debate poses a more fundamental question: Is homeownership a social good? ... For instance, according to the 1998 study, homeowners are older, richer, more likely to vote Republican, and more than half of them own guns, while only a quarter of renters do. ... Homeowners have spearheaded the movement to limit new housing supply that has artificially inflated housing throughout the U.S., Mr. Glaeser wrote. This is the downside to having individuals who have incentives to keep price up. The tax incentives might even be hurting America's inner cities, increasing the segregation of rich and poor. -- Buy a Home, and Drag Society Down By EDUARDO PORTER, NYTimes Published: November 13, 2005 THE recent proposals by President Bush's panel on tax reform led to a debate on whether the mortgage interest deduction was unfair, providing a huge subsidy for the rich while doing little for low-income Americans. But that debate poses a more fundamental question: Is homeownership a social good? It has long been an article of faith among policymakers that homeownership produces a big beneficial spillover to society at large. In the 1920's, Herbert Hoover said a family that owned a home had a more wholesome, healthful and happy atmosphere in which to bring up children. Franklin Delano Roosevelt said that a nation of homeowners is unconquerable. The government's use of tax incentives to encourage homeownership has a cost, however. The mortgage interest deduction and other subsidies will cost the government roughly $716 billion in lost taxes over the next five years, the president's tax panel said. And the subsidy distorts incentives to invest, pulling money into housing from other parts of the economy. So, are Americans getting value for their money? Theory suggests there are social benefits to homeownership, but we don't know whether they are large enough to justify the size of the subsidy, said Joseph Gyourko, professor of real estate and finance at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. My gut feeling is that we are oversubsidizing. Arguments for the positive effects from a society of homeowners - what economists call positive externalities - stem mainly from the fact that homeowners have a bigger financial stake in their homes than renters do. This motivates them, so the theory goes, to take better care of their houses and communities. In short, it will make them better Americans. The argument seems to be supported by compelling evidence. In a 1998 study, Edward Glaeser, an economics professor at Harvard, and Denise DiPasquale, then a social scientist at the University of Chicago who now heads the housing research firm City Research, analyzed data from the General Social Survey, a big national study carried out annually since 1972, and concluded that homeownership did relate to heightened civic activity. For instance, they found that 77 percent of homeowners said they had at some point voted in local elections, while only 52 percent of renters said they had. About 20 percent of renters knew the name of their representative on the school board; 38 percent of homeowners did. Homeowners went to church more, and invested more in the upkeep of their homes. But as alluring as the data may be, economists and social scientists haven't been able to determine whether homeownership is actually generating all the positive statistics or whether, instead, it's just that people who vote more are more likely to buy homes. Owning a home relates to a bunch of other things, too, and it doesn't necessarily mean that homeownership causes or encourages them. For instance, according to the 1998 study, homeowners are older, richer, more likely to vote Republican, and more than half of them own guns, while only a quarter of renters do. There's a pervasive problem in trying to sort out whether there is something intrinsic about homeownership that causes these externalities or whether the people that become homeowners are the kind of people that generate these externalities, said James Poterba, an economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. A study in 1996 by two economists, Richard K. Green at the University of Wisconsin and Michelle J. White at the University of Michigan, found that children of homeowners had a better chance of finishing high school than the children of renters, especially among low-income populations. And the daughters of homeowners were less likely to become pregnant before turning 18. But social scientists are hard-pressed to explain why homeownership would have this effect. Beyond the difficulty of proving that owning a home generates positive social
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY
jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a great guy. Thanks for clearing that up! http://www.webindia123.com/personal/religious/sriravi.htm Some more bio stuff Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco Invites Terrorists to Attack O'Reily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha, can you tell me where in the article it says San Francisco Invites Terrorists to Attack O'Reily, because I could not find it. --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/c/a/2005/11/12/BAGPAFN2D61.DTLfeed=rss.news after reading Lies and the Lying Liars that tell them by Al Franken, I can't take Oh'Really seriously...at all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco Invites Terrorists to Attack O'Reily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha, can you tell me where in the article it says San Francisco Invites Terrorists to Attack O'Reily, because I could not find it. That was the header on the source compilation the Drudge Retort (a take off on the Drudge Report). http://www.drudge.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco Invites Terrorists to Attack O'Reily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha, can you tell me where in the article it says San Francisco Invites Terrorists to Attack O'Reily, because I could not find it. --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/c/a/2005/11/12/BAGPAFN2D61.DTLfeed=rss.news after reading Lies and the Lying Liars that tell them by Al Franken, I can't take Oh'Really seriously...at all. Jeez, and you did before? :) Actually before all the 911 karma, he was commenting on mostly domestic stuff, and I didn't know a lot about him, and he struck me as a pretty straight forward guy. Then, as the White House agenda has become more and more obviously radical, and Fox News in lockstep with it, I've watched Oh'Really degenerate into just another apologist for the Reich and Famous. Too bad, especially for an Irish guy... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva -- its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Best commentary on Yoga Sutras
This is by far the best commentary on the Yoga Sutras I've read http://www.rainbowbody.net/HeartMind/Yogasutra.htm#translation Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva -- its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Its a resonance thing. The saint is awake. When we awaken in the same way, we think it is the saint. But it isn't. Its both. Same with a loved one. Its both. Which is why as we develop, it doesn't much matter if it is a tree or a saint or a piece of gum or a dog or the morning breeze, same effect. What originally made us go Wow! is pretty much everywhere. Not a whole lot of difference. More oneness, less otherness, less wowness, more isness... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Foreign Investors Lose Appetite for Treasuries
This, if a continuing trend, would signal a trend in the (long-anticipated) rise of long term bond rates -- the solution to the conundrum Fed Chariman Greenspan has been commenting on for some time - the flattening of the yield cure -- the rise in short term rates (that the Fed can highly influence) while long-term rates (upon -- which fixed mortgage rates are based -- and the periodic adjustment in ARMS are pegged) are flat or declining Steadily rising mortgage rates may be trigger for housing price deflation --- (the bursting of the housing bubble) given that it has contorted itself to such unsustainable levels. === Foreign Investors Lose Appetite for Treasuries as Deficit Rises ListenListen Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. government is growing more dependent on investors from abroad just as their appetite for Treasury securities is waning. Overseas investors, who own half of all U.S. government debt, bought 14 percent of the $79 billion in benchmark 10-year notes auctioned this year, down from 21 percent in 2004, Treasury Department data show. Bidders including foreign central banks purchased a smaller percentage of the $44 billion in three-, five- and 10-year notes the Treasury sold last week than they did a year ago. A drop in demand may extend the slump that pushed Treasury yields to the highest this year, raising the government's borrowing costs to finance a $319 billion deficit. The U.S. will borrow a record $171 billion from January to March, about double the amount this quarter, to help pay for relief efforts after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. ``I'd wait before buying because there is still more upside for yields,'' said Masayuki Yoshihara, a Tokyo-based investor who helps manage the equivalent of $25 billion at Sumitomo Life Insurance Co., Japan's fourth-largest life insurer. Investors ``are cautious about buying too aggressively right now with yields rising so quickly,'' he said in a Nov. 10 interview. The yield on the benchmark 10-year note rose to 4.68 percent on Nov. 4 from 3.98 percent on Sept. 1, just after Katrina struck the Gulf Coast. The yield, which moves inversely to the note's price and is used to help determine corporate and consumer borrowing costs, ended last week at 4.57 percent. Foreign Participation Foreign investors bought about 21 percent of the $218 billion of two-year notes auctioned this year, down from 31 percent in 2004, according to Treasury data. They also purchased about 21 percent of the $154 billion of five-year notes sold by the Treasury, compared with 30 percent last year. The figures don't include the results of last week's sales, which will be released in December. Indirect bidders, a larger group that includes U.S. institutional investors, foreign central banks and overseas investors, bought 34.9 percent of the debt sold. The percentage is down from 47.4 percent at the quarterly auction of three-, five-and 10-year notes a year earlier. ``Foreign buying is a very important source of demand for Treasuries and the market is concerned by evidence that it is waning,'' Joseph Di Censo, a bond strategist at Lehman Brothers Inc. in New York, said Nov. 11. ``This would obviously put upward pressure on yields. The Treasury will always be able to finance the budget deficit. The real question is at what cost.'' Foreign investors increased Treasury holdings by 9 percent this year, compared with more than 23 percent in each of the past two years. The current pace is the lowest since 2001, when net purchases rose 2.45 percent. `Haunting' Deficit Overseas investors owned $2.06 trillion, or half the $4.11 trillion in tradable Treasuries as of August, up from less than 40 percent three years ago and 34 percent in 2000. Debt strategists have credited foreign investors with keeping U.S. yields in check as the budget deficit ballooned to a record $412.8 billion in fiscal 2004 ending Sept. 30 and the Federal Reserve raised interest rates 12 times. Since 2002, foreign purchases have reduced 10-year Treasury yields by 19 basis points, according to Banc of America Securities LLC. A basis point is 0.01 percentage point. ``You can't build in these constant deficits without having them come back to haunt you,'' said Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, on Nov. 3 at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Japan, the largest foreign owner of Treasuries, cut its holdings of the securities this year to $684.5 billion in August from last year's peak of $699.4 billion in August, according to the latest Treasury data. An update on international demand comes in two days with the Treasury International Capital report for September. The median forecast of three economists surveyed by Bloomberg is that net purchases of stocks, bonds and other financial assets slowed to $70 billion from $91.3 billion in August. `Better Places' There's little incentive to invest in U.S. debt with inflation accelerating and the Fed forecast by
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva -- its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Its a resonance thing. The saint is awake. When we awaken in the same way, we think it is the saint. But it isn't. Its both. Same with a loved one. Its both. Which is why as we develop, it doesn't much matter if it is a tree or a saint or a piece of gum or a dog or the morning breeze, same effect. What originally made us go Wow! is pretty much everywhere. Not a whole lot of difference. More oneness, less otherness, less wowness, more isness... But in the case of a tree, its not really both, the tree is not awake like a saint, it does not resonate in the same way as awakened saint. But I agree, experientially, that inanimate things, like a tree, can serve as a catalyst. I used to literally have a tree temple in a large park -- that I figured, vowed , decided, intuited that through devotion I could make the divine manifest in that very spot. Like a murti in a temple. My above question has to do with the question of if its our image and expectations of the saints purity that invokes that within us, starting the energy chain and inner dynamics. For example, I view SBS as pure as refined glass or a diamond -- an almost tranlucent body that lights up like a blazing diamond from inner light. But I realize that may be from inner and personal expectation and imagining. And thus, really could be transferred to anything - and that anything could serve as a similar catalyst. Like my tree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Study cites recent trends that signal housing bubble
Per recent housing price discussion, a new study highlights three key factors that distinguish the current pruce surge and the traditional housing price cycle -- indicating a potential bubble. --- Study cites recent trends that signal housing bubble Washington, DC - Recent trends in the housing market suggest a dangerous housing bubble, rather than a run-up caused by fundamental factors such as higher incomes and population growth, according to a new study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR). The report, Will a Bursting Bubble Trouble Bernanke? The Evidence for a Housing Bubble, cites three trends in the housing market that suggest an unsustainable increase in house prices: 1) A sharp divergence between house sale prices and rents; 2) An extraordinary jump in the rate of housing construction; and 3) A sharp decline in the savings rate, driven by a housing wealth effect. Federal Reserve Board chairman nominee, Benjamin Bernanke, has argued that there is no housing bubble and, therefore, no reason for the Fed to take action to address the bubble. Bernanke's approach raises grave risks, since the impact of a bursting housing bubble is likely to be even greater than the collapse of the stock bubble. The collapse of the housing bubble will throw the economy into a recession, and quite likely a severe recession, according to economist Dean Baker, co-author of the report. If the Fed chooses to let a housing bubble expand unchecked, the eventual cost to the economy and millions of American families could be enormous, said Baker. The report, by Dean Baker and David Rosnick, found three housing patterns that are tell-tale signs of a housing bubble: * A sharp divergence between house sale prices and rents. If house sale prices were pushed up by fundamentals in the housing market, it would be expected that rents and house sale prices would rise together -- but they are not. The house price index has increased by an unprecedented 51 percentage points more than the rent index since 1997. * A high rate of housing construction. The rate of housing construction over the last three years is more than 40 percent higher than it was in the 17 years prior to the run-up in house prices. This is not caused by the increase in the U.S. population, since the most rapid growth in the number of new households actually took place in the 1970s and early 1980s, when the huge baby boom cohort was first forming their own households. * A sharp decline in the savings rate. If house prices move at approximately the same pace as the overall inflation rate, as was the case prior to 1997, then housing wealth will have little effect on the savings rate. However, in the last eight years, house prices have outpaced the overall rate of inflation. The resulting wealth effect has depressed the savings rate, which has actually turned negative in recent months. For the full report see: Will a Bursting Bubble Trouble Bernanke?: The Evidence for a Housing Bubble. The Center for Economic and Policy Research is an independent, nonpartisan think tank that was established to promote democratic debate on the most important economic and social issues that affect people's lives. 1611 Connecticut Ave., NW Suite 400 Washington, DC 20009 Tel: 202-293-5380 | Fax: 202-588-1356 | www.cepr.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva - - its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Its a resonance thing. The saint is awake. When we awaken in the same way, we think it is the saint. But it isn't. Its both. Same with a loved one. Its both. Which is why as we develop, it doesn't much matter if it is a tree or a saint or a piece of gum or a dog or the morning breeze, same effect. What originally made us go Wow! is pretty much everywhere. Not a whole lot of difference. More oneness, less otherness, less wowness, more isness... But in the case of a tree, its not really both, the tree is not awake like a saint, it does not resonate in the same way as awakened saint. Same stuff. But I agree, experientially, that inanimate things, like a tree, can serve as a catalyst. I used to literally have a tree temple in a large park -- that I figured, vowed , decided, intuited that through devotion I could make the divine manifest in that very spot. Like a murti in a temple. it sounds trite I know, but the divine manifests everywhere, palpably...I know what you mean though- I remember seeing the nervous systems and personalities and hearts of trees. My above question has to do with the question of if its our image and expectations of the saints purity that invokes that within us, starting the energy chain and inner dynamics. For example, I view SBS as pure as refined glass or a diamond -- an almost tranlucent body that lights up like a blazing diamond from inner light. But I realize that may be from inner and personal expectation and imagining. And thus, really could be transferred to anything - and that anything could serve as a similar catalyst. Like my tree. If you are talking about catalysts, then saints are much better catalysts than trees, or unawakened people. And your perception of SBS (not sure who that is...) is entirely accurate, not imagined. I am merely saying that once the catalysts have done their work, and like Hagen posted earlier, we are in complete and total bondage, infinite surrender, complete and total freedom, then everything else in our universe is too. There are no longer distinctions like more darshan, less darshan. Oh, I suppose if I were to meet a saint tomorrow I would very much enjoy the experience, hypothethically- probably depend on if I was in the mood. But to be perfectly honest, it would make no difference to me whatsover if I ever met a saint ever...again. No desire anymore in that direction. No seeking, only finding, and finding and finding! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 10:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That referred specifically to the hyperventilation (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed to have said it was dangerous. There's lots of stuff about Shankar on alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for Ravi Shankar rather than SSRS, though. Amma also cautions against intense forms of pranayama. Peter, have there been instances of people blowing their circuits out doing this? None that I've heard about. Maybe its the three cycles of long, medium and short that make it easier on the body. To classify Sudarshan Kriya as 'hyperventilation' is a mischaracterisation. Is fast pranayam hyperventilation too? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] EMF devices
Does anyone have any experience with EMF devices by Quantum? I'm considering buying one of their products. http://www.quantumqrt.com Apparently, they have a TM connection and did a study of their devices at Telegroup. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? Certainly, Chopra was far more visible in his interactions with Chopra for a good bit longer also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
on 11/14/05 11:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? Certainly, Chopra was far more visible in his interactions with Chopra for a good bit longer also. Visible to you, but you don't know the full history of either of them. Also, public visibility does not necessarily equate with closeness of relationship. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
