[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > IMO *none* of them was either written by God or 
> > inspired by God. 
> 
> What a revolutionary claim made by a man not believing 
> in God anyway. How could he have inspired a book if he 
> doesn't exist? (in your book)

True.

But *you* clearly believe that God *does* exist.
And just as clearly, since you keep bringing 
up my lack of belief in same, over and over 
and over again, as if it were some kind of 
cosmic failing, you have some strong feelings
about the God you believe in that get tweaked
when someone believes differently.

I am the first to admit that that when it comes 
to God, you're the expert and I'm not. 

So tell us...is the God you believe in an author?  
Did He/She/It actually *write* any of the books 
that have been credited to Him/Her/It over the 
centuries?  If so, which ones?  And where does
one go to check their actual sales ranking on 
the great Best Seller List In The Sky?







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[FairfieldLife] Why I think Chaney should resign

[shempmcgurk]

1) He shot someone in the face.

2) Shooting someone in the face -- on a hunting trip -- is not in 
and of itself reason for a vice-president to resign. Hunting is a 
dangerous sport and anyone embarking upon it knows the risks 
involved and being shot is one of them.   It is what Cheney did -- 
or more explicitly what he did NOT do -- immediately after the 
incident that leads me to my conclusion.

3) Cheney has had during his lifetime not one but two drunk driving 
convictions.

4) Cheney is a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United 
States, the most powerful and responsible position in the world.

5) Upon shooting someone in the face, the first priority of a person 
in such a position of responsibility is to ensure the public, his 
president and his administration that he was NOT under the influence 
of alcohol at the time of the shooting. Certainly, ensuring that his 
victim is provided with immediate medical care is an important 
concern but that is NOT as important as ensuring that the public and 
the world at large are confident that the vice-president was in full 
control of his faculties.  This is serious stuff.

6) Whether Cheney did indeed have one or two beers or none is 
irrelevant. What is relevant is that he undertook the actions that 
he should have which is: get yourself to the nearest hospital and 
demand that either a breathalizer or a blood test be given to a 
twice-convicted drunk driver who very well may have his finger on 
the nuclear button so that all are assured that he did not shoot his 
victim under the influence.

7) Cheney did NOT do this and this is what makes him unfit to be 
president and, by implication, unfit to be vice-president.

He should resign forthwith.






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[FairfieldLife] 10 reasons not to shop at Wal-Mart

[shempmcgurk]

How Not to Like Wal-Mart 
by Laurence Vance 
[Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006] 
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Are there any "good" reasons to not shop at Wal-Mart? We have been 
given plenty of "bad" reasons by the likes of not only New York 
Times columnist Paul Krugman and Sojourners magazine, but also our 
friends at Chronicles and The American Conservative magazines. 
According to these unlikely allies of the far left, Wal-Mart 
destroys jobs, puts mom & pop operations out of business, is anti-
union, pays low wages, exploits its workers, practices predatory 
pricing, destroys small towns, is too big, sells too much junk, 
doesn't provide health insurance to all of its employees, and, when 
all else fails, buys too much from "Red" China.

This is all bunk, of course, but still, "good" reasons can be given 
for not shopping at Wal-Mart, just like "good" reasons can sometimes 
be given for not doing business with any company or shopping at any 
particular store. Ultimately, however, these "good" reasons all come 
down to personal preference. There are no universal norms that can 
be applied here.

I live in a Wal-Mart town. I am within a very short driving distance 
of three Wal-Marts, and can, if necessary, easily drive to four 
others in 30 to 45 minutes. I can, therefore, speak with much 
experience under my belt (and in my wallet) about shopping at Wal-
Mart. I even worked there once, part time, to supplement my other 
part time income while I was in college. That being said, my family 
and I do not buy everything at Wal-Mart. Even though Wal-Mart is 
certainly "the incredible stuff machine," it does not sell 
everything — at least not yet. But I do shop there enough to make me 
an expert witness to the fact that there are "good" reasons not to 
shop there. Here are ten of them.

Good reason #1: Crowds 
Wal-Mart is usually crowded. If you don't like crowds, then you 
probably shouldn't shop at Wal-Mart. However, the same thing could 
be said about trying to get into a good restaurant on Friday night — 
at least in Pensacola, Florida. Do you want to save money but don't 
like crowds? Most Wal-Marts are open 24/7. Get there early in the 
morning or late at night. If you are in a hurry to shop on your way 
home from work, then fight the crowds or go somewhere else. 
Good reason #2: Parking 
Although Wal-Mart has one of the largest parking lots of any one 
store, it can be tough to find a parking space on a Saturday 
afternoon. Many of the open spaces are quite some distance from the 
store. With gas prices as high as they are, no one wants to burn up 
their precious gas circling the parking lot at Wal-Mart looking for 
a parking space. The solution? Shop at another time or get some 
exercise and walk the distance from the parking spots that are the 
farthest out. You needed to loss some weight anyway. If you don't 
want to go to Wal-Mart during the week or you would rather not get 
some exercise, then shop somewhere else — the parking lot at K-Mart 
is usually empty. 
Good reason #3: Carts 
When Wal-Mart gets really busy, the shopping carts disappear fast. 
There is nothing more frustrating than to park at the far end of the 
Wal-Mart parking lot, walk the distance up to the store, and then 
find that there are no shopping carts. Well, aside from going to 
another store, there is a solution. There are always shopping carts 
in the parking lot that can be brought up to the store as you walk 
from the back of the parking lot. And besides, with a shopping cart, 
you don't have to carry your returns — just put them in the buggy. 
If there are no carts to be found and you don't wish to wait for 
one, then go somewhere else this time or every time. 
Good reason #4: Lines 
Lines and Wal-Mart go hand-in-hand. There is a line of cars waiting 
to turn into the parking lot. There is a line of people filing out 
of the store that you have to stop and wait for as you drive by the 
front of the store. There is a line of people at the deli getting 
their meat and cheese sliced. There is a line of people at the 
checkouts. There is a line of people at the return counter. The 
worst line is the line of people waiting to get the oil changed in 
their car (if their Wal-Mart has a tire and lube department). If 
someone doesn't like lines (like me), then he probably shouldn't 
shop at Wal-Mart. The solution? Don't shop at Wal-Mart during peak 
times — go to Dollar General or Target. Still adamant about shopping 
at Wal-Mart? Bring a book to read while you are waiting in line. I 
always drop off my truck, van, and SUV (I haven't driven a car for 
years) to avoid waiting in line. Don't have a book or time to wait 
in line? Spend an extra $10 and get your oil changed at a mom & pop 
quick lube. 
Good reason #5: Cashiers 
Although Wal-Mart has a multitude of checkouts, there is often a 
shortage of cashiers to man the checkouts. My pleas to the four 
supervisors standing around to get some additional cash

[FairfieldLife] Andy Young to defend Wal-Mart

[shempmcgurk]

Civil rights icon tapped to defend Wal-Mart
Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:34 PM ET 
   
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Civil rights leader and former Atlanta mayor 
Andrew Young will become the public face of a Wal-Mart-backed group 
whose aim is to combat criticism of the world's largest retailer, 
the group said on Monday.

Young, who was an aide to Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. during the 
civil rights protests of the 1960s and served as ambassador to the 
United Nations under President Jimmy Carter, will serve as chairman 
of Working Families for Wal-Mart's national steering committee, the 
group said in a statement.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. was among the financial backers of Working 
Families for Wal-Mart, a group of people "who understand and 
appreciate Wal-Mart's positive impact on the working families of 
America," according to its Web site.

The Bentonville, Arkansas-based retailer has stepped up efforts to 
counter criticism from unions and other groups who say the company 
pays poverty-level wages, discriminates against women and drives 
competitors out of business.

Image has become increasingly important for Wal-Mart as it reaches 
out to wealthier shoppers and grapples with growing opposition to 
its expansion, particularly into urban areas.

"The critics have it wrong," Young said in a statement. "For those 
who care about the poor it is time to step up, speak out and join 
this national discussion."

Wake Up Wal-Mart, a union-backed group critical of Wal-Mart, called 
on Young to use his position to push for changes at the retailer.

"Ambassador Young is now in a unique position to reach out to Wal-
Mart and CEO Lee Scott and urge them to change," Paul Blank, 
campaign director for Wake Up Wal-Mart, said in a statement.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush, selling nuclear tech to India while displaying fake spirituality

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think you have the facts mixed up. Bush is going to India to sell
> them nuclear technology and, secondarily, in his typical public
> relations LYING actions will place a wreath at Gandhi's memorial 
and,
> apparently, visit the Shankaracharya. It is nothing more than his
> usual deflection from truth.
> 
> http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=61488
> 
>  "The plan for Bush to "honor" Gandhi is even more astonishing 
given
> one of the main purposes of Bush's trip -- to cement a deal for 
U.S.
> nuclear aid to India, which would violate current U.S.
> non-proliferation law and has drawn criticism from a host of peace,
> disarmament and non-proliferation groups. The deal will also be a
> tough sell to a skeptical Congress, which would need to amend U.S. 
law
> to create a "loophole" to give nuclear technology to India because 
of
> its nuclear weapons arsenal.
> 
> "Does Bush think Gandhi would bless one of the main purposes of 
this
> trip -- to promote nuclear aid to India?" asked Martin. "Gandhi
> abhorred nuclear weapons and would surely call for the U.S. and 
India
> to pursue the abolition of nuclear weapons."




I wouldn't consider being on the opposite side of an issue from 
Mahatma Gandhi as necessarily a bad thing.

His brand of so-called "non-violence" was about as non-violent as 
that Dalai Llama character's is.

For all their talk of non-violence a whole mess of violence 
resulted...





> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> > Bush is going to India and will meet with Spiritual leaders.  
> > _http://www.rueters.shank.com/2_ 
(http://www.rueters.shank.com/2)  
> pge,322.teli.talk.1798.htp
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush to meet with Shankaracharyas while in India

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Bush is going to India and will meet with Spiritual leaders.  
> _http://www.rueters.shank.com/2_ (http://www.rueters.shank.com/2)   
pge,322.teli.talk.1798.htp
>


Maybe he can wear his MIU sweatshirt he picked up back in the '80s 
when he was on campus campaigning for his father.






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[FairfieldLife] Foufou Macoute

[shempmcgurk]

Well, no one really seems interested in the etymology of the 
expanded moniker I have given foufou.

But since I think it is so clever of myself to have thought it up, I 
can't help but share with you all what it means.

In the days of the reign of Haiti's dictator Papa Doc Duvalier 
(succeeded on his death by his son Baby Doc Duvalier), he exerted 
control though the employment of his death squads, the "Tonton 
Macoute".

So Foufou Macoute is a play on Tonton Macoute.

Obscure, yes.  But in Quebec, any time someone in the public eye did 
something that suggested heavy-handed, they would take that person's 
name on project it onto "Tonton Macoute".

For example, Robert Bourassa was Premier of Quebec in the 70s and 
80s.  And when his government hired inspectors to regulate French on 
commercial signs, many felt this was heavy-handed on the part of the 
government.  So the nickname given to these inspectors was 
the "Boubou Macoute".

Not to suggest that foufou is heavy-handed or facsistic but Foufou 
Macoute does go well!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > sparaig@ writes:
> >>
> >> What's  the punishment for this "abomination?" Failing to 
> >> observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) 
> >> is punishable by being stoned or banished. What's the set 
> >> punishment for homosexuality in the bible?
> > 
> > Do your own rersearch
> 
> I seem to remember that in Hebrews 16:4 the
> punishment for being uptight about *anything*
> related to sex was to reincarnate in a place
> and time where people argue endlessly about
> such things on something the prophets called
> the "Intern-aught" or a term similar to that
> one. The image was of being interned up to 
> one's aught (this word has been suggested by
> Biblical scholars to mean "ears") in shit.
> This fate was generally considered to be worse 
> than going to Hell. In Hell at least there was
> variety, and occasionally a sense of humor.
>

(the following was a joke going on in Canada around 1982 when Pierre 
Trudeau was in power and Joe Clark was Royal Opposition Leader):

Pierre Trudeau dies and goes to heaven.  At the Pearly Gates, 
Trudeau meets St. Peter who says: "well, Mr. Trudeau, you've been a 
very good person but there are a few things that you did that were 
not so great (which he then lists and, of course, if you're a 
Canadian you'd understand the list of unpopular things that St. 
Peter lists).

"So, Mr. Trudeau, before you get into heaven you've got to spend a 
bit of time in purgatory to pay for those sins.  So I'm going to put 
you in a room full of broken glass and ravor blade for a month.

So Trudeau thinks that's reasonable and as St. Peter is bringing Mr. 
Trudeau to his room to suffer his fate they pass by a room with the 
door ajar and Mr. Trudeau looks in and sees Joe Clark being massaged 
by a naked Bo Derek.

The surprised Mr. Trudeau turns to St. Peter and says: "Surely I 
understand that I wasn't perfect and that I deserve to spend a month 
in the room of broken glass and razor blades as punishment. But, 
certainly, Mr. Clark wasn't any better than me!  This isn't fair!"

And St. Peter turns to Mr. Trudeau and says: "Mr, Trudeau, Miss 
Derek's punishment is none of your business!"









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Judy, above you said:
> > > 
> > > "Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual 
> > > disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically.  
A 
> man 
> > > who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is 
no 
> more 
> > > sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-
pubescent 
> > > young girls."
> > > 
> > > Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 
12-
> > > year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male?
> > 
> > I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that 
there
> > is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people 
who
> > have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major 
difference
> > between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though
> > adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature 
and
> > vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. 
Judy's
> > saying one thing, and you're responding with a question 
concerning a
> > different issue.
> 
> Bingo.  I've been trying to get Shemp to figure that
> out for himself, but he probably never would have.
>

Okay, to respond to your request, that's what I meant.

Now, answer the question.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > What about texts that require a certain level or state of  
> > > consciousness to even grok?
> > > 
> > > Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)
> > 
> > Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood"
> > by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few"
> > to manipulate others.  :-)
> >
> +++ Seems to be some similarity in,
>  You are not enlightened -we will enlighten you.
>  You are all sinners, -   we will save you.
>  You are in danger from terrorists - we will protect you.
>  The first two say send money whereas the last says pay your 
taxes
> or else.
>   It looks like all have the common denominator of "we know what
> is best for you" and, if you stop thinking (which is recommended) it
> is all for the best.  N.

Of course, it could also be the case that--given that
"knowledge is different in different states of 
consciousness" (which Barry has repeatedly insisted on)--
something composed by someone in a different state
of consciousness than the person reading or hearing it
would *not* be comprehensible to the latter, no matter
how "hard" they think.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
> > 
> > > That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) 
> ever  
> > > gave
> > > to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the 
*home* 
> of  
> > > all
> > > the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a 
million
> > > years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses.
> > >
> > > To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, 
> given a
> > > mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could 
create
> > > world peace is wishful thinking to say the least!
> > >
> > > Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less 
even
> > > function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean
> > > transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book)
> > 
> > The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 
24/7/365 --
>   
> > so what does that tell you about their promises about 
enlightenment?
> > 
> > I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in 
> samadhi  
> > there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or 
actually  
> > Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are 
> listening,  
> > try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close  
> > proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. 
> Consider  
> > it part of a science experiment to see if people can really 
place  
> > their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of 
> nature.  
> > This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic 
> Consciousness  
> > or higher:
> > 
> > The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was 
> well  
> > learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about 
> testing  
> > and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who 
> overestimated  
> > their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, "Almost 
> without  
> > exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was 
> too  
> > big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his  
> > responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if 
not  
> > all the way down to the ground." The following story was told by  
> > Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he "tested" an Indian  
> > spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj.
> > 
> > "I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to 
> Taat  
> > Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a 
time  
> > while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I 
> went  
> > to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure 
> enough,  
> > I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling 
> everyone.  
> > On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited  
> > there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back 
> at  
> > home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was 
razor  
> > sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into 
> the  
> > line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line 
I  
> > bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into 
> his  
> > foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His 
bellowings  
> > even drowned out the warbles of his singers.
> > 
> > "Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even 
if  
> > they were in samadhi?"
> > 
> > No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has 
> no  
> > knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains 
in  
> > samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would 
> have  
> > felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was 
just  
> > pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I 
had  
> > time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in 
> the  
> > getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what 
> might  
> > have happened to me had I been caught!"'"
> 
> That's good and I hope BBrigante responds, however, a Yogi in CC to 
> the level of Brahman would have inner and outer fullness 
(purnamadah 
> puramidam) and would have been able to choose which way to react, 
> either to stop him OR to let the nail go in and show NO pain.

Good point, BillyG.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > jstein@ writes:
> > 
> > Well, it  would be rather difficult to provide you
> > with hard evidence at this  juncture.  However, as
> > I've noted, there's excellent  historical/cultural
> > evidence that anal rape was a means of  intimidating
> > and humiliating people; and there's also  Ezekiel's
> > complaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusal
> > to share  its wealth with the poor and needy (in
> > this case, Lot's  visitors).
> > 
> > There's also the unlikelihood that all the males in
> > the  town--including the young ones--suddenly got
> > horny all at once on that  particular evening, and
> > instead of satisfying their desires with each  other,
> > decided to go after Lot's visitors.
> > 
> > In other words, the story  doesn't make much sense in
> > your interpretation, whereas it makes perfect  sense
> > in mine.
> > 
> > Actually I think my interpretation makes much more since.  Lot's
> > guests made no demand for charity from anybody in the city. As a 
> > matter of  fact Lot met them at the gate to the city and invited 
> > them to stay in his house  for the evening. Why would anybody 
> > object to that?
> 
> The people of Sodom were unfriendly to outsiders,
> not willing to share, not wanting anybody to get
> any ideas about sponging off them.  They obviously
> were not pleased that Lot had invited them to stay
> with him.  They were mean, nasty, selfish people.
> 
> > On the other hand, can you  imagine if 
> > two gorgeous angels walked into the Castro district of San 
> > Francisco  and a bunch of gay biker types saw them and followed 
> > them to the house they went  in. Do you think they would hang 
> > around to run them out of town or be   in hopes of getting a 
*date*?
> 
> You're truly hopeless.

Just to add: Your interpretation requires reading
*far more* into the biblical story than mine does.

There is zero evidence of Castro district-like entire
gay towns in biblical times.

But there's plenty of evidence of the use of anal rape
to intimiate and humiliate in those times.

You have to find a situation that has existed, as
far as we know, only in modern times, and claim
it existed in biblical times.

I don't have to do that.  The situation I'm saying
is parallel we *know* existed in biblical times.
And everything in the biblical story fits that
parallel perfectly.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 --
> so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment?

That they were overly optimistic.  

Remember that this hadn't been *done* before.  How
could they know for sure?  MMY shouldn't have made
such a prediction for that reason, but it was his
best guess at the time.

You know, of course, that your "true" definition of
Cosmic Consciousness is the same as MMY's.

Except that you define "samadhi" differently than
he does.  He doesn't mean the kind of samadhi where
you sit insensible and useless with your eyes closed.

He means samadhi *along with waking consciousness*,
24/7/365 samadhi in activity (and sleep and dreaming
consciousness), the *integration* of samadhi with
the three "lesser" states.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> > > > I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> > > > than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> > > > around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out 
> > > > of people.
> > > 
> > > In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he 
> > > posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons 
> > > and then sit back and laugh at her.
> > 
> > Yup.
> > 
> > > Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is 
> > > beyond me...
> > 
> > I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of
> > spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the
> > mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply 
> > push the buttons of someone who has a proven history 
> > of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion 
> > when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit 
> > back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I
> > wanted exposed.
> >
> 
> ANd everyone on this forum appreciates your efforts, no doubt.

For sharing his fantasy world with us.

It's really quite amazing, given his alleged Buddhist
leanings.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
> 
> > That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) 
ever  
> > gave
> > to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* 
of  
> > all
> > the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million
> > years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses.
> >
> > To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, 
given a
> > mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create
> > world peace is wishful thinking to say the least!
> >
> > Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even
> > function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean
> > transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book)
> 
> The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 --
  
> so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment?
> 
> I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in 
samadhi  
> there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually  
> Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are 
listening,  
> try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close  
> proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. 
Consider  
> it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place  
> their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of 
nature.  
> This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic 
Consciousness  
> or higher:
> 
> The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was 
well  
> learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about 
testing  
> and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who 
overestimated  
> their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, "Almost 
without  
> exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was 
too  
> big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his  
> responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not  
> all the way down to the ground." The following story was told by  
> Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he "tested" an Indian  
> spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj.
> 
> "I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to 
Taat  
> Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time  
> while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I 
went  
> to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure 
enough,  
> I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling 
everyone.  
> On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited  
> there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back 
at  
> home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor  
> sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into 
the  
> line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I  
> bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into 
his  
> foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings  
> even drowned out the warbles of his singers.
> 
> "Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if  
> they were in samadhi?"
> 
> No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has 
no  
> knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in  
> samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would 
have  
> felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just  
> pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had  
> time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in 
the  
> getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what 
might  
> have happened to me had I been caught!"'"
>

So what does HIndu tradition say about Shankara's response to being 
chased by a tiger?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> > > I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> > > than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> > > around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out 
> > > of people.
> > 
> > In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he 
> > posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons 
> > and then sit back and laugh at her.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> > Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is 
> > beyond me...
> 
> I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of
> spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the
> mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply 
> push the buttons of someone who has a proven history 
> of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion 
> when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit 
> back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I
> wanted exposed.
>

ANd everyone on this forum appreciates your efforts, no doubt.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

[pibssmith]

I think you ought to move on and stop wasting your energy on the TMO 
just call it something else and do your own thing. I heard that all 
the meditators are going to the Rothenbergs so dont fight them they 
wont last and will be gone as soon as Stuarts aging mom passes or 
another project comes up just wait and do your own thing and dont 
waste your energy or financial resources to fight them they wont 
last there and the locals will come back to you
It is sad and they should be ashamed of themselves the Rothenbergs 
just do their thing and leave you alone. I ofcourse would not 
disconnect my phone so you may have to fight them on small fronts 
but dont bother otherwise as they will leave town before you can 
blink your eye. they cant teach much it is too coslty and the whole 
peace palace thing is a joke so they wont last long hand in there 
and stop wasting your energy on them
>
> From: scozzari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Recipient List Suppressed:;
> Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari
> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500
> 
> 
> Mike Scozzari
> 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442
> 561-392-5418  Home
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching 
TM 
> by the TMO attorneys in Iowa.  Their demands include that I 
destroy 
> all teaching materials and that I no longer use their registered 
> service marks for TM and Transcendental Meditation.  With the new 
> project for teachers to re-certify and teach, teachers who, like 
me, 
> were made "teachers for life" by Maharishi, were all told we must 
no 
> longer consider ourselves teachers.  The re-certification course 
as 
> you may have heard was $2K and $4 depending on how many people you 
> have taught in the past 2 years for $2500 each student. Once 
> completed, re-certified teachers were required to teach full time, 
> meditate 7 hours per day, open up 5 spas, raise 1.5 million for a 
> peace palace, go to Holland for a month and become a raja after 
which 
> you would be required to wear robes and a crown and have others 
bow 
> to you.  Teachers were required to teach according to gender, 
males 
> teach males, women teach women and all in a building with an east 
> entrance (TMO websites detail the entire thing).  Teachers were 
> promised salaries of $2000 per month if nobody takes TM and $4000 
a 
> month if you teach 2.  Three months after it's start all salaries 
> were discontinued and teachers who quit their jobs had to find 
work 
> once again. ++see Chandler letter below
> 
> 
> It's nonsense.  Teachers like myself have not done anything 
wrong.  
> Most on my list know I have continued to provide basic and 
advanced 
> instruction and have maintained the traditional teaching.  Every 
> teacher knows what it's like to try and make a living teaching. I 
> will never charge anyone $2500 - never!  I would need cold water 
> running through my veins!  It's wrong and people don't deserve 
it.  
> It makes perfect sense to me having taught over 4000 people, that 
> teachers should be able to keep all the money for instruction 
> encouraging students to then take TMO sponsored follow-ups like 
the 
> TM- Sidhis and advanced techniques.  This way everyone wins.  
> Teachers need to make a living.  When did the policymakers forget 
> that?  The fees today are 6 times what they were in 1993.
> 
> 
> I have invested a small fortune to keep teaching in the area since 
> 1989.  My Bell South bill is $150 per month.  Recently my Bell 
South 
> rep called to say he received a call from Joan Rothenberg who 
accused 
> me of violating the TM trademark, that I was not legally allowed 
to 
> do so and that she and her husband Stuart were the new teachers in 
> Boca Raton.  This quote appeared in my January 06 newsletter:
> 
> 
> Still the Same
> Maharishi has done something that his predecessors did not do.  He 
> provided a technique and a knowledge program while maintaining the 
> ancient traditions.  With all the research available, TM is still 
the 
> best technique for relieving stress and developing inner 
potential.  
> The packaging and marketing changes over time but the essential 
> message remains the same: meditate and enjoy.
> 
> 
> When Coca Cola introduced New Coke, the public was split on what 
they 
> preferred, new or old Coke.  Old Coke was introduced as Classic 
Coke 
> and remains the same today.  Transcendental Meditation can be 
offered 
> to the general population or the wealthy, no harm.  But the 
essential 
> teaching is here to stay.  Keeping this teaching alive worldwide 
is 
> the goal of all the teachers.  Competition is good and if it leads 
to 
> more people learning, no harm.
> 
> 
> As stated previously, our office teaches TM at reasonable rates.  
> It's available for everyone.  Please keep us in mind and know that 
we 
> are here to stay.  We hope you can join us for programs that 
enrich 
> and refresh, inspire and expand.  Take advantage of your 
membership 
> and keep the teaching a

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people 
regarding
> God's Law.
> 
> I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that
> knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to 
defend the
> homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that 
Leviticus 18:22
> clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need 
some advice
> from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to 
follow
> them

Rick, I had never seen this before.  I loved it!

lurk
> 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > What about texts that require a certain level or state of  
> > consciousness to even grok?
> > 
> > Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)
> 
> Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood"
> by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few"
> to manipulate others.  :-)
>
+++ Seems to be some similarity in,
 You are not enlightened -we will enlighten you.
 You are all sinners, -   we will save you.
 You are in danger from terrorists - we will protect you.
 The first two say send money whereas the last says pay your taxes
or else.
  It looks like all have the common denominator of "we know what
is best for you" and, if you stop thinking (which is recommended) it
is all for the best.  N.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever 
gave 
> to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* 
of all 
> the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million 
> years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses.
> 
> To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, 
given a 
> mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create 
> world peace is wishful thinking to say the least!
> 
> Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even 
> function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean 
> transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book)
>
What's your starting point? Perhaps, and congratulations if so, this 
is your millionth incarnation...or your seventh...

Which illusion are you accepting as reality in order to decide how 
many human incarnations you have had? Even the age of the Earth is 
based purely on hypothesis, measured by the supposedly linear decay 
of certain elements. 

So, why not your millionth incarnation?  

Perhaps, just as God can easily arrange the petals perfectly on a 
rose, a few thousand 'rice converts' are in just the right place at 
just the right time, for this fantastic idea of world peace to 
work...

Once we truly know what the world is, and how we go about creating 
it moment by moment, and we truly know what peace is, and how we go 
about creating it also, world peace is as easy to achieve as making 
a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

got milk?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
> 
> > That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) 
ever  
> > gave
> > to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* 
of  
> > all
> > the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million
> > years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses.
> >
> > To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, 
given a
> > mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create
> > world peace is wishful thinking to say the least!
> >
> > Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even
> > function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean
> > transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book)
> 
> The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 --
  
> so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment?
> 
> I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in 
samadhi  
> there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually  
> Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are 
listening,  
> try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close  
> proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. 
Consider  
> it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place  
> their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of 
nature.  
> This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic 
Consciousness  
> or higher:
> 
> The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was 
well  
> learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about 
testing  
> and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who 
overestimated  
> their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, "Almost 
without  
> exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was 
too  
> big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his  
> responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not  
> all the way down to the ground." The following story was told by  
> Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he "tested" an Indian  
> spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj.
> 
> "I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to 
Taat  
> Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time  
> while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I 
went  
> to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure 
enough,  
> I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling 
everyone.  
> On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited  
> there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back 
at  
> home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor  
> sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into 
the  
> line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I  
> bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into 
his  
> foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings  
> even drowned out the warbles of his singers.
> 
> "Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if  
> they were in samadhi?"
> 
> No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has 
no  
> knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in  
> samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would 
have  
> felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just  
> pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had  
> time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in 
the  
> getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what 
might  
> have happened to me had I been caught!"'"

That's good and I hope BBrigante responds, however, a Yogi in CC to 
the level of Brahman would have inner and outer fullness (purnamadah 
puramidam) and would have been able to choose which way to react, 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

[mrfishey2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bmorry2000"  
wrote:

I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry...
Guess that I was mistaken...

 
Uh, bmorry, I'm pretty sure the comment by mrfishey
was sarcastic. Apparently he has problems with
discussions that aren't about the TMO.
 
I don't know whether TMO issues can be said to have
"priority" here, exactly, but we're certainly
interested in them, so don't let the fact that we
do dicuss non-TMO issues keep you from posting
TMO-related stuff.


-

Sorry! Thought IÕd included enough clever remarks Ð playfully steering 
the post away from sarcasm. The intention was to be somewhat 
facetious. 

No, no difficulty with non-TMO discussions. Carry on. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Well, it  would be rather difficult to provide you
> with hard evidence at this  juncture.  However, as
> I've noted, there's excellent  historical/cultural
> evidence that anal rape was a means of  intimidating
> and humiliating people; and there's also  Ezekiel's
> complaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusal
> to share  its wealth with the poor and needy (in
> this case, Lot's  visitors).
> 
> There's also the unlikelihood that all the males in
> the  town--including the young ones--suddenly got
> horny all at once on that  particular evening, and
> instead of satisfying their desires with each  other,
> decided to go after Lot's visitors.
> 
> In other words, the story  doesn't make much sense in
> your interpretation, whereas it makes perfect  sense
> in mine.
> 
> Actually I think my interpretation makes much more since.  Lot's
> guests made no demand for charity from anybody in the city. As a 
> matter of  fact Lot met them at the gate to the city and invited 
> them to stay in his house  for the evening. Why would anybody 
> object to that?

The people of Sodom were unfriendly to outsiders,
not willing to share, not wanting anybody to get
any ideas about sponging off them.  They obviously
were not pleased that Lot had invited them to stay
with him.  They were mean, nasty, selfish people.

> On the other hand, can you  imagine if 
> two gorgeous angels walked into the Castro district of San 
> Francisco  and a bunch of gay biker types saw them and followed 
> them to the house they went  in. Do you think they would hang 
> around to run them out of town or be   in hopes of getting a *date*?

You're truly hopeless.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

[Vaj]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave  to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all  the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million  years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses.  To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a  mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create  world peace is wishful thinking to say the least!  Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even  function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean  transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book) The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 -- so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment?I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in samadhi there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are listening, try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. Consider it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of nature. This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic Consciousness or higher:The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was well learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about testing and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who overestimated their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, "Almost without exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was too big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not all the way down to the ground." The following story was told by Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he "tested" an Indian spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj."I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to Taat Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I went to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure enough, I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling everyone. On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back at home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into the line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into his foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings even drowned out the warbles of his singers."Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if they were in samadhi?"No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has no knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would have felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in the getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what might have happened to me had I been caught!"'"





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[FairfieldLife] 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

[wmurphy77]

That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave 
to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all 
the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million 
years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses.

To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a 
mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create 
world peace is wishful thinking to say the least!

Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even 
function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean 
transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

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What I 
  remember about the new Coke is that it was sweeter and had lessbite. I.e., 
  it sucked.

It tasted like Pepsi to me





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Well, it 
  would be rather difficult to provide youwith hard evidence at this 
  juncture.  However, asI've noted, there's excellent 
  historical/culturalevidence that anal rape was a means of 
  intimidatingand humiliating people; and there's also 
  Ezekiel'scomplaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusalto share 
  its wealth with the poor and needy (inthis case, Lot's 
  visitors).There's also the unlikelihood that all the males inthe 
  town--including the young ones--suddenly gothorny all at once on that 
  particular evening, andinstead of satisfying their desires with each 
  other,decided to go after Lot's visitors.In other words, the story 
  doesn't make much sense inyour interpretation, whereas it makes perfect 
  sensein mine.

Actually I think my interpretation makes much more since. 
Lot's guests made no demand for charity from anybody in the city. As a matter of 
fact Lot met them at the gate to the city and invited them to stay in his house 
for the evening. Why would anybody object to that? On the other hand, can you 
imagine if two gorgeous angels walked into the Castro district of San Francisco 
and a bunch of gay biker types saw them and followed them to the house they went 
in. Do you think they would hang around to run them out of town or be  
in hopes of getting a *date*?  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: the light of God—which cannot be stopped or changed by anyone

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/pe3wm
> 
> "Maharishi said the basis of Invincible Defense is the Constitution 
> of the Universe—the Unified Field—the unmanifest, all-powerful 
field 
> of invincibility in nature, which creates and maintains the 
infinite 
> diversity of the universe with perfect order. 'With the blessings 
of 
> the eternal tradition of Vedic masters, we have the technologies to 
> make any nation invincible by enlivening the Constitution of the 
> Universe in individual and collective consciousness. This is 
> Invincible Defense in the light of Total Natural Law—the light of 
> God—which cannot be stopped or changed by anyone,' Maharishi said. 
> 
> Maharishi likened his offer of invincibility for every nation to 
> that of an engineer who has the knowledge to establish an 
electrical 
> powerhouse—and who informs the people that it is no longer 
necessary 
> to live in the dark. 'The engineer proclaims, 'Take this power line 
> and live in light, today,'' Maharishi said. 'Like that, every 
nation 
> has been living in utter darkness. But now we are proclaiming 
loudly 
> to every government, 'Invincible Defense is available for your 
> nation. Take it and enjoy invincibility and absolute freedom on the 
> basis of Total Natural Law.''

I seriously doubt the ME effect is possible in such small numbers, 
especially since most of those doing the program couldn't levitate a 
feather, much less command almighty nature!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77  wrote:
> >
> > Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God 
> > I got TM when I did!!  BillyG.
> 
> But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown.

What I remember about the new Coke is that it was sweeter and had less
bite. I.e., it sucked.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77  wrote:
> >
> > Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank 
God 
> > I got TM when I did!!  BillyG.
> 
> But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown.
> People just wanted to buy the old image. Same thing here: You prefer
> TM the way you were taught, because that's the way you were taught.
> 
> But its gone. Its gone forever, because it was streamlined for a
> certain time with a certain purpose. These times are gone, so it had
> to be stopped.

And before long it will *ALL* be gone...(it's already a 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[t3rinity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I seem to remember that in Hebrews 16:4 the
> punishment for being uptight about *anything*
> related to sex was to reincarnate in a place
> and time where people argue endlessly about
> such things on something the prophets called
> the "Intern-aught" or a term similar to that
> one. The image was of being interned up to 
> one's aught (this word has been suggested by
> Biblical scholars to mean "ears") in shit.
> This fate was generally considered to be worse 
> than going to Hell. In Hell at least there was
> variety, and *occasionally a sense of humor*

But only for the cigarette-break ;-)
The funny thing about it is, that they aren't even forced to be there;
they just act under the compulsion 'as if' they were forced to be
there. In reality they are free to leave the place for a better one
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[t3rinity]

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> IMO *none* of them was either written by God or 
> inspired by God. 

What a revolutionary claim made by a man not believing in God anyway.
How could he have inspired a book if he doesn't exist? (in your book)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[t3rinity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Also NOT having photographic memory myself, I can see why writing is 
> important.

I always thought that photographic memory was useful only with written
texts.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush, selling nuclear tech to India while displaying fake spirituality

[anonyff]

I think you have the facts mixed up. Bush is going to India to sell
them nuclear technology and, secondarily, in his typical public
relations LYING actions will place a wreath at Gandhi's memorial and,
apparently, visit the Shankaracharya. It is nothing more than his
usual deflection from truth.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=61488

 "The plan for Bush to "honor" Gandhi is even more astonishing given
one of the main purposes of Bush's trip -- to cement a deal for U.S.
nuclear aid to India, which would violate current U.S.
non-proliferation law and has drawn criticism from a host of peace,
disarmament and non-proliferation groups. The deal will also be a
tough sell to a skeptical Congress, which would need to amend U.S. law
to create a "loophole" to give nuclear technology to India because of
its nuclear weapons arsenal.

"Does Bush think Gandhi would bless one of the main purposes of this
trip -- to promote nuclear aid to India?" asked Martin. "Gandhi
abhorred nuclear weapons and would surely call for the U.S. and India
to pursue the abolition of nuclear weapons."



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> Bush is going to India and will meet with Spiritual leaders.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God 
> I got TM when I did!!  BillyG.

But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown.
People just wanted to buy the old image. Same thing here: You prefer
TM the way you were taught, because that's the way you were taught.

But its gone. Its gone forever, because it was streamlined for a
certain time with a certain purpose. These times are gone, so it had
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

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on 2/27/06 3:00 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry...
> 
> Guess that I was mistaken...

Whatever people want to talk about has priority. Inevitably, we keep coming
back to TMO issues. If there's something you want to discuss that isn't
being discussed, start a discussion.




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[FairfieldLife] SCQM?

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[FairfieldLife] the light of God—which cannot be stopped or changed by anyone

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http://tinyurl.com/pe3wm

"Maharishi said the basis of Invincible Defense is the Constitution 
of the Universe—the Unified Field—the unmanifest, all-powerful field 
of invincibility in nature, which creates and maintains the infinite 
diversity of the universe with perfect order. 'With the blessings of 
the eternal tradition of Vedic masters, we have the technologies to 
make any nation invincible by enlivening the Constitution of the 
Universe in individual and collective consciousness. This is 
Invincible Defense in the light of Total Natural Law—the light of 
God—which cannot be stopped or changed by anyone,' Maharishi said. 

Maharishi likened his offer of invincibility for every nation to 
that of an engineer who has the knowledge to establish an electrical 
powerhouse—and who informs the people that it is no longer necessary 
to live in the dark. 'The engineer proclaims, 'Take this power line 
and live in light, today,'' Maharishi said. 'Like that, every nation 
has been living in utter darkness. But now we are proclaiming loudly 
to every government, 'Invincible Defense is available for your 
nation. Take it and enjoy invincibility and absolute freedom on the 
basis of Total Natural Law.'' 






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[FairfieldLife] Bush to meet with Shankaracharyas while in India

[MDixon6569]

Bush is going to India and will meet with Spiritual leaders. 
http://www.rueters.shank.com/2 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Homosexual acts between two people of homosexual
> preference are  engaged in for "pleasure" and, often,
> out of deep emotional feelings of  love, just as with
> heterosexuals.
> 
> Homosexual acts between two people  of *heterosexual*
> preference are engaged in for many different  reasons,
> including ritualistic performance, stimulating a
> jaded sexual  appetite, and for purposes of
> intimidation and humiliation, among  others.
> 
> Now, given a loving, beneficent God, which type  of
> "homosexuality" do you think He would be most
> opposed to?  Or do  you think He would condemn all
> of them as equally detestable in His  sight?
> 
> Perhaps you should ask Him. Either way, it's still sin and  
> disobedience and either way that sin and disobedience can be 
> forgiven if  repented of. Basically you're asking me to judge for 
> God or speak for him. I  can't do that.

You can certainly say what you would expect of the
God you believe in.  If you didn't have some expectations
that you think He satisfies, you wouldn't be very
likely to believe in Him, would you?

> You still haven't shown me any evidence that the men and boys in  
> Sodom tried to have sex with the angels in order to intimidate them 
> into leaving.

Well, it would be rather difficult to provide you
with hard evidence at this juncture.  However, as
I've noted, there's excellent historical/cultural
evidence that anal rape was a means of intimidating
and humiliating people; and there's also Ezekiel's
complaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusal
to share its wealth with the poor and needy (in
this case, Lot's visitors).

There's also the unlikelihood that all the males in
the town--including the young ones--suddenly got
horny all at once on that particular evening, and
instead of satisfying their desires with each other,
decided to go after Lot's visitors.

In other words, the story doesn't make much sense in
your interpretation, whereas it makes perfect sense
in mine.

> Yet it is said in the Bible that they wanted to "know" them, a 
> term  which is repeatedly used to show intimacy between men and 
> women in the Bible.  Somebody wanting to exhibit dominance and 
> control by rape are not  concerned with intimacy.

Certainly not, but such people would be quite capable
of using mocking, sneering language, suggesting that
the strangers were weak.  Remember the social position
of women in biblical times.  The whole idea of anal
rape of one man by another was (and still is) to put
the rapee in a position of submission and
powerlessness, just as a woman is when a man wants
to have his way with her.

The men of Sodom would have used that term to suggest
that the strangers were as powerless as women.  It
*emphasizes* the power element in the situation, makes
it explicit.  Has nothing to do with intimacy per se.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bmorry2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry...
> 
> Guess that I was mistaken...

Uh, bmorry, I'm pretty sure the comment by mrfishey
was sarcastic. Apparently he has problems with
discussions that aren't about the TMO.

I don't know whether TMO issues can be said to have
"priority" here, exactly, but we're certainly
interested in them, so don't let the fact that we
do dicuss non-TMO issues keep you from posting
TMO-related stuff.





> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bmorry2000"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > From: scozzari 
> > To: Recipient List Suppressed:;
> > Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari
> > Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500
> >  
> >  
> > Mike Scozzari
> > 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442
> > 561-392-5418  Home
> > 
> > 
> > RE: Post #89101
> > 
> > Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more 
> urgent 
> > issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of 
> > Shakespeare.
> > 
> > Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a 
> bit. 
> > 
> > --
> >
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Homosexual acts between two people of homosexualpreference are 
  engaged in for "pleasure" and, often,out of deep emotional feelings of 
  love, just as withheterosexuals.Homosexual acts between two people 
  of *heterosexual*preference are engaged in for many different 
  reasons,including ritualistic performance, stimulating ajaded sexual 
  appetite, and for purposes ofintimidation and humiliation, among 
  others.Now, given a loving, beneficent God, which type 
  of"homosexuality" do you think He would be mostopposed to?  Or do 
  you think He would condemn allof them as equally detestable in His 
  sight?

Perhaps you should ask Him. Either way, it's still sin and 
disobedience and either way that sin and disobedience can be forgiven if 
repented of. Basically you're asking me to judge for God or speak for him. I 
can't do that. You still haven't shown me any evidence that the men and boys in 
Sodom tried to have sex with the angels in order to intimidate them into 
leaving. Yet it is said in the Bible that they wanted to "know" them, a term 
which is repeatedly used to show intimacy between men and women in the Bible. 
Somebody wanting to exhibit dominance and control by rape are not 
concerned with intimacy. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

[bmorry2000]

I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry...

Guess that I was mistaken...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bmorry2000"  
> wrote:
> 
> From: scozzari 
> To: Recipient List Suppressed:;
> Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari
> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500
>  
>  
> Mike Scozzari
> 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442
> 561-392-5418  Home
> 
> 
> RE: Post #89101
> 
> Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more 
urgent 
> issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of 
> Shakespeare.
> 
> Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a 
bit. 
> 
> --
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> 
> Other than that we can both be abrasive and both
> loathe what seems to us to be hypocrisy, no.  But
> her abrasiveness and hatred of hypocrisy aren't why
> I think she's full of it.
>

you abrasive? come on now!






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Vaj]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:  What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok?  Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)  Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood" by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few" to manipulate others.  :-)  And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by  the beings who communicate them.  Whatever floats your boat.  I'm not saying that such a thing isn't possible. All I'm suggesting is that, given the long,  sordid history of spirituality on this rock, it's just as possible that claims of a book's specialness are a way of attracting followers whose greatest desire is to feel "special" to those who claim to have "special" knowledge of "special" books. Yeah, that's a given because it clearly has. One only has to remember the Christian liturgy and bible which was encoded in Latin and dispensed to the unknowing masses. Destroy the Gnosis and we, the priest, will mediate for you. Just keep sending money.It's interesting in Sanskrit literature it is said that it is only in the Kali Yuga, 'when the minds of men began to wane' that writing appeared. Writing is therefore an artifact of the age of darkness. Some traditions do not even consider written texts to be worthy of repetition. Having met a number of yogis who had photographic memory I can understand how this is possible even though epic poets and bards are hard to find these days. Also NOT having photographic memory myself, I can see why writing is important. But while either the oral or written can create exclusive priesthoods, in history it was the written word which allowed for codification, dogma and control--the Aryans "capture" of Dravidian texts in the artificial language of Sanskrit is but one example. The question seems to me is 'which is more capable of producing Gnosis for a given person?' The importance of "ear-whispered tradition" thus remains important--the morphogenetic field of living tradition: only "alive" when it is alive in us.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl  wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there
> > > is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who
> > > have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference
> > > between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though
> > > adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and
> > > vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. 
> > 
> > 
> > While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European
> > standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid.
> > 
> > If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature
> > and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them,
> > then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two
> > emotionally immature  and vulnerable people engaging in intimate
> > emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable
> > person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a
> > mature person is not? 

 
>But, nevertheless, their does exist between adults and
> children a power gap, and the children need to be protected against
> coercion and sexual predation. 

Just for the sake of argument -- and logical inferences -- then maybe
specific laws against power and coercion in pursuit of sex  would be
better than crude age criteria. 

There are currently laws against various forms of coercion: rape and
sexual harassment laws. By your example, not all all, possibly not
many adults, use power or coercion in sexual relations. Adolescent
guys, I would guess, use power, coercion and mind trips to seduce
peers a lot more than adult men do.

If they do, why should age be a factor in protecting them?  Are power
and coercion of  a 40 yr old over a 25 yr old worse than over a
sexually active 17 yr old? Or a 17 year old over a 17 year old? And if
power and coercion are not used, is a 40 yr old with 17 yr old any
more or less damaging (or fulfilling), than a 17 yr old with another
17yr old?

And are 17 yr old women devoid of power? It could be argued (perhaps
by neanderthals) that they may hold more power over middle aged men
than vice versa. Take American Beauty for example. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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> On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >> What about texts that require a certain level or state of
> >> consciousness to even grok?
> >>
> >> Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)
> >
> > Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood"
> > by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few"
> > to manipulate others.  :-)
> 
> And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by 
> the beings who communicate them.

Whatever floats your boat.

I'm not saying that such a thing isn't possible.
All I'm suggesting is that, given the long, 
sordid history of spirituality on this rock,
it's just as possible that claims of a book's
specialness are a way of attracting followers
whose greatest desire is to feel "special" to
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Vaj]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  What about texts that require a certain level or state of   consciousness to even grok?  Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)  Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood" by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few" to manipulate others.  :-) And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by the beings who communicate them.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[TurquoiseB]

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>
> What about texts that require a certain level or state of  
> consciousness to even grok?
> 
> Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)

Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood"
by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few"
to manipulate others.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there
> > is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who
> > have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference
> > between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though
> > adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and
> > vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. 
> 
> 
> While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European
> standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid.
> 
> If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature
> and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them,
> then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two
> emotionally immature  and vulnerable people engaging in intimate
> emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable
> person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a
> mature person is not? 

I have met gay men who were precocious minors who pursued men, and
I've met men who were pursued by such youth. And, from the sound of
their experiences, adult-minor sexual activity is not *necessarily*
damaging. But, nevertheless, their does exist between adults and
children a power gap, and the children need to be protected against
coercion and sexual predation. Age of consent laws are not a perfect
solution, but some seem more intelligent than others. For example,
there are laws where adult-minor sexual activity is legal when the age
difference is no more than a specified number of years. IIRC, the laws
in Holland are even more liberal in that regard.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Vaj]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:41 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE "HOLY" BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of them IMO may have been "inspired," in the sense that they were written by or dictated by human beings in higher states of consciousness, but to be honest not very many of them even achieved that. The norm in the realm of "holy books" is that most of the books that  humans consider "holy" were written by NON-enlightened  humans describing the actions of enlightened (or at  least more enlightened) fellow humans as best they  could (such as the Gospels). What about yellow scrolls written in microscopic Dakini script :-)?...not all works are "by purusha", by men. Of course, this is one thing Mahesh Yogi has claimed to have: the "apurusheya bhasya" (not purusha created commentary), of Rig Veda, which is also "not by man". So "men" can use the fact that books 'not by men' have some alleged clout...What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok?Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard 
> Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > > 
> > > > > The  Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with
> > > > > another man  they 
> > > > > way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets 
> > > > > the point across without being too graphic.
> > > > 
> > > > I am not a  biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds 
> > > > that it is within gods  grace for a man to *lay* with  a 
> > > > woman in the ways a man lays  with another man. 
> > > > 
> > > > There is no sin that can not be  forgiven.
> > > 
> > > There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those
> > > who cannot accept themselves and others.
> > 
> > Until I see some holy book that explicitly and clearly 
> > says that doing this or that particular homosexual act 
> > is a sin, I would have to agree with Barry.
> 
> I know I'm in effect agreeing with myself to agree
> with Shemp here :-), but I'll not only agree, I'll 
> see his agreement and raise him one heresy. 
> 
> I personally have never met a book I would consider 
> "holy," so it really doesn't matter to me what *any* 
> of them has to say on this subject.
> 
> I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In
> my opinion, EVERY SINGLE "HOLY" BOOK IN THE HISTORY
> OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of
> them IMO may have been "inspired," in the sense that
> they were written by or dictated by human beings in
> higher states of consciousness, but to be honest not
> very many of them even achieved that. The norm in the
> realm of "holy books" is that most of the books that 
> humans consider "holy" were written by NON-enlightened 
> humans describing the actions of enlightened (or at 
> least more enlightened) fellow humans as best they 
> could (such as the Gospels).
> 
> IMO *none* of them was either written by God or 
> inspired by God.

Is that the sole criterion by which a book can be
judged "holy"?

Or is that just how you're defining "holy"?

Is it possible there are other viable definitions
of the term?

If there *were* (hypothetically) a book that met
this criterion of "holy"--i.e., that it was written
or inspired by God--would what it said then matter
to you?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Patrick Gillam]

--- authfriend wrote:
>
>  in this case I was responding to
> a post which stated flatly that Paglia had said
> rape was about sex, no further argument, so a flatly
> stated response seemed appropriate.

Oh yeah, it was perfect. And your rationale for not 
elaborating makes utter sense. Thanks.

> (Love your analogy.  May I borrow it?)

Be my guest.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Camille Paglia is bullshit.
> >
> >
> 
>  Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this?
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>> Uh, because I think she's bullshit?
> >>>
> >>> (Not sure why it seems unlike me.)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Maybe because you seem similar is some way?
> >>
> >
> > It seems unlike me because I seem similar.
> >
> > Very good, Vaj.
> 
> I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to 
Camille  
> (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you 
find  
> her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike  
> you...however...
> 
> people often project dislike towards those who mirror certain  
> aspects of themselves, no? Can you see Camille as a certain aspect
> of yourself?

Other than that we can both be abrasive and both
loathe what seems to us to be hypocrisy, no.  But
her abrasiveness and hatred of hypocrisy aren't why
I think she's full of it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard 
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > 
> > > > The  Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with
> > > > another man  they 
> > > > way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets 
> > > > the point across without being too graphic.
> > > 
> > > I am not a  biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds 
> > > that it is within gods  grace for a man to *lay* with  a 
> > > woman in the ways a man lays  with another man. 
> > > 
> > > There is no sin that can not be  forgiven.
> > 
> > There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those
> > who cannot accept themselves and others.
> 
> Until I see some holy book that explicitly and clearly 
> says that doing this or that particular homosexual act 
> is a sin, I would have to agree with Barry.

I know I'm in effect agreeing with myself to agree
with Shemp here :-), but I'll not only agree, I'll 
see his agreement and raise him one heresy. 

I personally have never met a book I would consider 
"holy," so it really doesn't matter to me what *any* 
of them has to say on this subject.

I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In
my opinion, EVERY SINGLE "HOLY" BOOK IN THE HISTORY
OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of
them IMO may have been "inspired," in the sense that
they were written by or dictated by human beings in
higher states of consciousness, but to be honest not
very many of them even achieved that. The norm in the
realm of "holy books" is that most of the books that 
humans consider "holy" were written by NON-enlightened 
humans describing the actions of enlightened (or at 
least more enlightened) fellow humans as best they 
could (such as the Gospels).

IMO *none* of them was either written by God or 
inspired by God. They were all written by men, doing
their best to interpret their own experiences and
hoping to inspire others to have experiences of their
own. 

So it really doesn't matter to me what ANY of them
says on the subject of sex and sexuality, be it 
between men and women, men and men, women and women,
men and toasters, women and battery-powered objects,
whatever. Whatever the "scriptures" say, to me they
are merely words, and merely the words of other 
people just like myself. They are not necessarily
any closer to "truth" than grafiti written on a 
subway wall.

Others are free to believe what they want about the
books they revere. But I'll believe that any of them
are actual "scriptures" the day someone can show me
a copy of one that was actually autographed by the
supposed author.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[foufou_fl]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Maybe this is the abridged version. :)
> 
> Sal

Abridged over troubled waters?


> 
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
> 
> >  I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture
> >  that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle
> >  and an end: "Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's
> >  wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent
> >  control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like
> >  saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to
> >  park one's car."
> >
> >  To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of
> >  pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Sal Sunshine]

Maybe this is the abridged version. :)

Sal

On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

 I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture 
 that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle 
 and an end: "Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's 
 wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent 
 control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like 
 saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to 
 park one's car." 

 To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of 
 pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Vaj]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"   wrote:Camille Paglia is bullshit.   Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this?   Uh, because I think she's bullshit?  (Not sure why it seems unlike me.)  Maybe because you seem similar is some way?  It seems unlike me because I seem similar.  Very good, Vaj. I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to Camille (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you find her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike you...however...people often project dislike towards those who mirror certain aspects of themselves, no? Can you see Camille as a certain aspect of yourself?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
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>
> I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there
> is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who
> have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference
> between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though
> adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and
> vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. 


While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European
standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid.

If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and
vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them,  then
why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two emotionally
immature  and vulnerable people engaging in intimate emotional acts is
OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable person engaged in an
engaging in intimate emotional act with a mature person is not? 



> Judy's
> saying one thing, and you're resp onding with a question concerning a
> different issue.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > > The  Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with
> > > another man  they 
> > > way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets 
the  
> > > point across 
> > > without being too graphic.
> > 
> > I am not a  biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds 
> > that it is within gods  grace for a man to *lay* with  a 
> > woman in the ways a man lays  with another man. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > There is no sin that can not be  forgiven.
> 
> There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those
> who cannot accept themselves and others.
>

Until I see some holy book that explicitly and clearly says that 
doing this or that particular homosexual act is a sin, I would have 
to agree with Barry.

Laying with another man is pretty darn ambiguous.  As Foufou Macoute 
pointed out, those fundamentalists that insist upon interpreting the 
Bible literally must ONLY be against the literal lying of a man with 
another man...everything else isn't expressly forbidden therefore 
there is nothing against doing it.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that!We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isn’t there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting, or is that not also part of Brahman?"I" can't decide!





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[FairfieldLife] Vedic -- Oops! I mean -- Catholic City

[shempmcgurk]

The Sunday Times - World 
 
 
 
The Sunday Times February 26, 2006 


'Pizza pope' builds a Catholic heaven
Tony Allen-Mills, New York
 
 
 
A FORMER marine who was raised by nuns and made a fortune selling 
pizza has embarked on a £230m plan to build the first town in 
America to be run according to strict Catholic principles. 
Abortions, pornography and contraceptives will be banned in the new 
Florida town of Ave Maria, which has begun to take shape on former 
vegetable farms 90 miles northwest of Miami. 

 
 
Tom Monaghan, the founder of the Domino's Pizza chain, has stirred 
protests from civil rights activists by declaring that Ave Maria's 
pharmacies will not be allowed to sell condoms or birth control 
pills. The town's cable television network will carry no X-rated 
channels. 

The town will be centred around a 100ft tall oratory and the first 
Catholic university to be built in America for 40 years. The 
university's president, Nicholas J Healy, has said future students 
should "help rebuild the city of God" in a country suffering 
from "catastrophic cultural collapse". 

Monaghan, 68, sold his takeaway chain in 1998 for an estimated $1 
billion (£573m). A devout Catholic who has ploughed millions into 
religious projects — including radio stations, primary schools and a 
Catholic law faculty in Michigan — Monaghan has bought about 5,000 
acres previously used by migrant farmers. 

The land on the western edge of the Everglades swamp will eventually 
house up to 30,000 people, with 5,000 students living on the 
university campus. Florida officials have declared the project a 
development bonanza for a depressed area, and Governor Jeb Bush 
attended a groundbreaking ceremony for the new university earlier 
this month. 

Yet civil rights activists and other watchdogs concerned about the 
separation of church and state are threatening lawsuits if Ave Maria 
attempts to enforce Catholic dogma. Environmentalists have also 
complained the town will restrict the habitat of the Florida 
panther, an endangered species. 

None of which has deterred Monaghan, who initially tried to build 
his new university in Michigan but could not get permission. Asked 
recently about possible lawsuits in Florida, he replied: "That's 
great. That would be the best publicity we could get." 

The Florida developers managing the project claim more than 7,000 
people have already expressed interest in buying homes in the town. 
Retailers and other businesses are reportedly close to leasing 60% 
of the intended commercial space. 

Monaghan was sent to a Catholic orphanage with his brother James 
after the death of their father on Christmas Eve 1941. After serving 
with the US Marines and later dropping out of university, he founded 
Domino's in 1960 with his brother, who sold back his share for a 
Volkswagen Beetle. 

Monaghan then set about building what became America's second-
largest pizza chain. He collected antique cars, bought a yacht and 
became the owner of the Detroit Tigers baseball team. 

About 15 years ago he read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis. "That was 
a big turnaround," he said recently. "I decided to simplify my life. 
No more airplanes, no more yachts. It's been a big relief." 

Sources close to the project said Monaghan was particularly 
disturbed by what he regards as the failure of western civilisation 
to resist Islamic fundamentalism. In a speech to students last year 
Healy warned that Islam "no longer faces a religiously dynamic 
West". 

Healy described the "virtual collapse of Europe" as "one of the most 
profound and unsettling developments of our new century". He 
added: "If you consider the more telling signs, such as its 
plummeting birth rate, Europe does not even seem to believe in a 
future . . . children are a sign of hope and the fruit of obedience 
to God's command to be fruitful and multiply." 

Monaghan has argued that the owners of the town's commercial 
properties will be free to impose conditions in leases — notably the 
restriction on the sale of contraceptives. But that has been 
challenged by Howard Simon, executive director of the Florida branch 
of the American Civil Liberties Union. 

Simon said the US Supreme Court had already ruled "ownership [of a 
town] does not always mean absolute dominion". "If he wants to build 
a town and encourage like-minded people to come and live there, 
that's fine. We get into problems where he tries to exercise 
governmental authority." 

Frances Kissling, president of a liberal Catholic group supporting 
women's rights to contraception and abortion, said the idea of a 
Catholic town was "very disturbing". 

"We have to learn to tolerate the fact that there are other 
religions — as well as non-believers — and the interplay of cultures 
helps make each of us more productive members of society. A Catholic-
only town goes totally against that." 

Lawsuits appear inevitable once the new town begins functioning in 
2007, but Monaghan believes he has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Camille Paglia is bullshit.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this?
> >>
> >
> > Uh, because I think she's bullshit?
> >
> > (Not sure why it seems unlike me.)
> 
> Maybe because you seem similar is some way?

It seems unlike me because I seem similar.

Very good, Vaj.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...





on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that!

We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isn’t there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting, or is that not also part of Brahman?






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Camille Paglia is bullshit.

Why do we keep picking on bulls -- a fine and noble animal. Why not
say rat shit. Or cockroach shit. Or the worst of all, Barry Shit.







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The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US
> resident and also posted on the Internet:-

Actually it was penned by an US Pesident: Jeb Bartlett of West Wing --
it was part of the script of one of the shows.


> 
> 
> Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding
> God's Law.
> 
> I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that
> knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
> homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22
> clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need
some advice
> from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow
> them-
> 
> a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
> pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my
neighbours. They
> claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
> 
> b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus
> 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
for her?
> 
> c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
> period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem
is,how do I
> tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
> 
> d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female,
> provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine
> claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify?
> Why can't I own Canadians?
> 
> e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
> clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him
> myself?
> 
> f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
> abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I
> don't agree. Can you settle this?
> 
> g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a
> defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
> vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
> 
> h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the
hair around
> their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How
> should they die?
> 
> i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
> unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
> 
> j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
> crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made
of two
> different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
curse
> and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of
> getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we
> just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with
people
> who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
> 
> I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can
> help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
> unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
>







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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On Feb 27, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the  Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant,  violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because  it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the  comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it  was punished.If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for  the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly  weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.Jesus was nothing if not  precise in his analogies and metaphors.  That's why they're so  powerful. Judy  can you find something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that  Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only*  for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know."  Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful.According to the Bible:Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:-Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them-a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > --- anonyff wrote:
> > >
> > > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Camille Paglia is bullshit.
> > > 
> > > Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this?
> > 
> > Uh, because I think she's bullshit?
> > 
> > (Not sure why it seems unlike me.)
> 
> I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture 
> that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle 
> and an end: "Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's 
> wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent 
> control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like 
> saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to 
> park one's car." 
> 
> To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of 
> pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean?

Fair enough.  But in this case I was responding to
a post which stated flatly that Paglia had said
rape was about sex, no further argument, so a flatly
stated response seemed appropriate.

If somebody wants to present Paglia's reasons for
saying rape is about sex rather than power, I'd
be happy to take a crack at refuting them.

(Love your analogy.  May I borrow it?)






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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the  Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of
> > such punishments of one unpleasant,  violent sort or another.
> > 
> >> Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because  it worked in three 
respects: a
> >> punishment meted out to a *town*, the  comparative severity of 
the
> >> punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it  was punished.
> >> 
> >> If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for  the the sin of
> >> homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly  weakened 
because the
> >> sins wouldn't be similar.
> >> 
> >> Jesus was nothing if not  precise in his analogies and 
metaphors.  That's
> >> why they're so  powerful.

(Um, the following was written by MDixon, not me.)

 Judy  can you find something specific that I said
> >> regarding this whole thread that  Sodom and Gomorrah were 
destroyed *only*
> >> for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord 
told Abraham,
> >> "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are 
extremely evil and
> >> everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or 
not these
> >> reports are true then will know."  Now couple this with 
Leviticus 18:22 "Do
> >> not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the 
act of
> >> raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of 
homosexuality whether
> >> it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an 
abominable act
> >> and considered sinful.
> >> 
> According to the Bible:
> 
> Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice 
to people
> who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that 
homosexuality is an
> abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in 
any
> circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by 
a US
> resident and also posted on the Internet:-
> 
> 
> Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people 
regarding
> God's Law.
> 
> I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that
> knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to 
defend the
> homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that 
Leviticus 18:22
> clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need 
some advice
> from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to 
follow
> them-
> 
> a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it 
creates a
> pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my 
neighbours. They
> claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
> 
> b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in 
Exodus
> 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price 
for her?
> 
> c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in 
her
> period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem 
is,how do I
> tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
> 
> d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male 
and female,
> provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of 
mine
> claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you 
clarify?
> Why can't I own Canadians?
> 
> e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 
35:2
> clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to 
kill him
> myself?
> 
> f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
> abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than 
homosexuality. I
> don't agree. Can you settle this?
> 
> g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I 
have a
> defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. 
Does my
> vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
> 
> h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the 
hair around
> their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by 
Lev.19:27. How
> should they die?
> 
> i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig 
makes me
> unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
> 
> j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two 
different
> crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made 
of two
> different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends 
to curse
> and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the 
trouble of
> getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) 
Couldn't we
> just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with 
people
> who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
> 
> I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident 
you can
> help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal 
and
> unchanging. Your devoted disciple an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...





on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the  Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of 
such punishments of one unpleasant,  violent sort or another.

Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because  it worked in three respects: a 
punishment meted out to a *town*, the  comparative severity of the 
punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it  was punished.

If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for  the the sin of 
homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly  weakened because the 
sins wouldn't be similar.

Jesus was nothing if not  precise in his analogies and metaphors.  That's 
why they're so  powerful. Judy  can you find something specific that I said 
regarding this whole thread that  Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only*  
for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, 
"I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and 
everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these 
reports are true then will know."  Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do 
not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the act of 
raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether 
it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act 
and considered sinful.

According to the Bible:

Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people 
who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an 
abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any 
circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US 
resident and also posted on the Internet:-


Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding 
God's Law.

I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that 
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the 
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 
clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice 
from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow 
them-

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a 
pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They 
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her 
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I 
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, 
provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine 
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? 
Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him 
myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an 
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I 
don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a 
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my 
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around 
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How 
should they die?

i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me 
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different 
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two 
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse 
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of 
getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we 
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people 
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can 
help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and 
unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.






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[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> What's  the punishment for this "abomination?" Failing to 
>> observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) 
>> is punishable by being stoned or banished. What's the set 
>> punishment for homosexuality in the bible?
> 
> Do your own rersearch

I seem to remember that in Hebrews 16:4 the
punishment for being uptight about *anything*
related to sex was to reincarnate in a place
and time where people argue endlessly about
such things on something the prophets called
the "Intern-aught" or a term similar to that
one. The image was of being interned up to 
one's aught (this word has been suggested by
Biblical scholars to mean "ears") in shit.
This fate was generally considered to be worse 
than going to Hell. In Hell at least there was
variety, and occasionally a sense of humor.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> But the  Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such
> punishments of one unpleasant,  violent sort or another.
> 
> Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because  it worked
> in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*,
> the  comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the
> specific sin for which it  was punished.
> 
> If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for  the
> the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is
> greatly  weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.
> 
> Jesus was nothing if not  precise in his analogies and
> metaphors.  That's why they're so  powerful.
> 
> Judy  can you find something specific that I said  regarding this
> whole thread that  Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for 
> homosexuality.

I don't believe I suggested you said anything to that
effect.

You *did* cite the story of Sodom as evidence that God
really, really doesn't like homosexuality, however.

> The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told  
> Abraham, "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are 
> extremely evil  and everything they do is wicked. I am going down 
> to see whether or not these  reports are true then will know." 
> Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do  not practice 
> homosexuality; it is a detestable sin".

(Note that there are significant scholarly disputes
over the meaning of the term here translated 
"detestable sin.")

> Surely the act of raping
> or  wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality 
> whether it is for  pleasure or exhorting power.

"Homosexuality" has two different meanings: homosexual
acts, and sexual preference.  And the former, as you
note, takes two forms.

Homosexual acts between two people of homosexual
preference are engaged in for "pleasure" and, often,
out of deep emotional feelings of love, just as with
heterosexuals.

Homosexual acts between two people of *heterosexual*
preference are engaged in for many different reasons,
including ritualistic performance, stimulating a
jaded sexual appetite, and for purposes of
intimidation and humiliation, among others.

Now, given a loving, beneficent God, which type of
"homosexuality" do you think He would be most
opposed to?  Or do you think He would condemn all
of them as equally detestable in His sight?








 Either way, it is 
> an abominable act and considered  sinful.




 The actions of 
> homosexuality are forbidden  by God. And I believe  the whole 
purpose of this 
> thread was somebody had asked if there was anything in  scripture 
that forbid 
> homosexuality and if so what and where. I have mentioned  several 
places in the 
> Bible where homosexuality is considered a sin and should  not be 
practiced.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[Patrick Gillam]

--- authfriend wrote:
>
> --- anonyff wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > 
> > > Camille Paglia is bullshit.
> > 
> > Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this?
> 
> Uh, because I think she's bullshit?
> 
> (Not sure why it seems unlike me.)

I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture 
that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle 
and an end: "Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's 
wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent 
control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like 
saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to 
park one's car." 

To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of 
pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it 
> > was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels 
> > being thrown around.
> 
> Labels as weapons...like kids throwing insults 
> on the order of "Poopie pants" at each other,
> while arguing about things that only children
> would argue about.  :-)

Um, right, like the Bible's stance on homosexuality,
the distinction between pedophilia and homosexuality,
the problem of AIDS in Africa, whether rape is about
sex or about power, the vilification of a minority by
the majority, the "homosexual agenda," and whether
homosexuality is contrary to the laws of nature, among
other childish topics (with a few side trips such who
was the real author of Shakespeare's plays, the various
incarnations of the Comte St.-Germaine, the legalistic
content of the Talmud, and the Secret Gospel of Mark).

> I just don't know what is sillier -- people 
> getting all elitist and moralistic about their
> sexual preferences being better than other 
> people's sexual preferences, or people getting 
> all elitist and moralistic about their particular
> brand of political correctness being better than
> other people's.

Actually what's sillier by far is pretending
other people's deeply held personal convictions
are no more than a matter of political
correctness.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What's 
  the punishment for this "abomination?" Failing to observe the Sabbath 
  (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) is punishable by being stoned or 
  banished. What's the set punishment for homosexuality in the 
  bible?

Do your own rersearch





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Re: [FairfieldLife] The easy way to do a bit of self-enquiry

[Peter]

Another one that is effective is to notice the
experience when you have no relationship to your
thoughts or feelings. Only the I-thought is left. 

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> 
> -- Forwarded Message
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:59:07 EST
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: the easy way to do a bit of self-enquiry
> 
> rick,
> last night i sent a reply to my brother on the topic
> of self-enquiry and i
> thought you might like to see it so i'm appending it
> below. i usually think
> of enquiry as being hard but simple, but lately i've
> been appreciating how
> it can be approached in a way that's both simple and
> easy.
> i hope you like it and will post it on fairfield
> life.
> bax
> =
> ...  i think you're right in that having a good
> understanding of who we are
> is what makes everything else in life work out.
> 
> the main thing to remember about self-enquiry is
> that we are always dealing
> with two levels of i-ness. the superficial one is
> the thought, 'i', also
> known as ego or mind. it's our enemy in the sense
> that its birth marks our
> fall from grace, our original sin.
> 
> but it's also our best friend in the sense that it
> can be used more
> effectively than any other tool to help us reconnect
> with the real I-ness
> deep inside. 
> 
> in the end, the i-thought (the ego) must go, but not
> before it has led us to
> its source. the source of the i-thought is our true
> Self, the real I-ness at
> the core of our being, also known as the Heart.
> 
> as far as finding time to meditate, i think it's
> more effective to catch a
> few fleeting moments in the midst of normal daily
> activities than to sit
> specifically for this purpose.
> 
> for example, maybe you're watching a good show on tv
> and you're really lost
> in it, and then you innocently notice that you are
> there - that's a moment
> that can be used: that simple thought/feeling, "i'm
> back" or, "oh yeah, i'm
> here and i know it" can be held for a few moments
> before it slips away.
> 
> the difference between a moment right after
> remembering oneself and right
> before doing so is just this basic background
> feeling of "i'm here-ness",
> the common, automatic feeling of return to
> self-awareness following a
> subjective absence.
> i think of this as 'commercial-time', because it
> occurs when life's 'show'
> stops for a moment and a break occurs. the easy way
> to do a bit of
> self-enquiry is to just reinforce the habit of
> capitalizing on such
> opportunities when they come to us unbidden.
> 
> sometimes, when i find myself in one of these
> moments and compare the
> 'before' and 'after' feelings, it seems that when i
> was 'gone' in a sense i
> wasn't really alive. some time has passed and i'm
> 'suddenly' a bit older,
> but i feel kind of cheated, because it's almost as
> if i wasn't there to live
> my life during that time. it seems to have happened
> all by itself, without
> me, because it lacked the personal touch of my
> self-awareness.
> 
> this simple return to self-awareness is the feeling
> of remembering per se,
> rather than remembering this or that. in fact, the
> only thing that we ever
> really remember is ourself, but we tend to assign
> that special feeling to
> whatever random thought happens to be passing
> through our mind at that
> moment and call this assignment a 'memory' of the
> object or event that that
> thought refers to. 
> 
> if you think about it, this feeling of remembering
> ourself is the only thing
> that we ever really know for sure. we know it
> directly, whereas anything
> else that we 'know' is subject to doubt and debate.
> 
> doing what we can to nurture a budding curiosity
> about this feeling is more
> productive than time spent in sitting meditation,
> because it's immediate and
> true to what we are innocently feeling in that
> moment.
> 
> it's natural to be curious about anything new that
> we become aware of. if we
> meet someone new, we want to know more about them
> even if we've only spent a
> few moments in their company. how much stronger is
> the natural curiosity
> about our feeling of "here I-amness" once we begin
> to notice that it's been
> with us for so long?
> 
> i thought of a couple of images for nurturing that
> natural fascination for
> the feeling of i-ness and for seeing that it can
> lead us to its source, the
> Self. (these are the two "levels of i-ness" that we
> started with: the
> "i-thought" and the "source of the i-thought, the
> Self"). i hope you like
> them. 
> 
> the first one is at a wedding reception. a man shows
> up and enjoys the food
> and company. the groom's family assumes that he's
> part of the bride's party
> and vice versa, so no-one gives him a second
> thought. but sooner or later,
> someone starts to notice him and to wonder who he
> is. as soon as anyone even
> begins to approach him, he splits the scene.
> 
> it's all quite automatic once someone's attention is
> drawn to hi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But the 
  Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of suchpunishments of one unpleasant, 
  violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because 
  it workedin three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*,the 
  comparative severity of the punishment, *and* thespecific sin for which it 
  was punished.If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for 
  thethe sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy isgreatly 
  weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.Jesus was nothing if not 
  precise in his analogies andmetaphors.  That's why they're so 
  powerful.

Judy  can you find something specific that I said 
regarding this whole thread that  Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* 
 for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told 
Abraham, "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil 
and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these 
reports are true then will know."  Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do 
not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the act of raping or 
wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for 
pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered 
sinful. The actions of homosexuality are forbidden  by God. And I believe 
the whole purpose of this thread was somebody had asked if there was anything in 
scripture that forbid homosexuality and if so what and where. I have mentioned 
several places in the Bible where homosexuality is considered a sin and should 
not be practiced.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> > > > I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> > > > than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> > > > around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of 
people.
> > > 
> > > As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-)
> > > 
> > > I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five
> > > screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other
> > > and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, 
> > > which orifice they like having things stuck in.
> > 
> > So Alex, do you think this is an honest description
> > of the posts Barry found?
> 
> I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little
> bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around.

Granted, but was the discussion only about which
orifice the posters liked having things stuck in?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it 
> was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels 
> being thrown around.

Labels as weapons...like kids throwing insults 
on the order of "Poopie pants" at each other,
while arguing about things that only children
would argue about.  :-)

I just don't know what is sillier -- people 
getting all elitist and moralistic about their
sexual preferences being better than other 
people's sexual preferences, or people getting 
all elitist and moralistic about their particular
brand of political correctness being better than
other people's.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> > > I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> > > than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> > > around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people.
> > 
> > As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-)
> > 
> > I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five
> > screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other
> > and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, 
> > which orifice they like having things stuck in.
> 
> So Alex, do you think this is an honest description
> of the posts Barry found?

I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit
heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Christ.  What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that  
> refuses his  message 
> > are in far worse condition because the message was  offered  and 
> rejected 
> > where as it was never offered to the  Sodomites who never 
rejected  
> it.
> 
> Of course, but why did Jesus  choose Sodom for the
> comparison?  He didn't just pick it out of a  hat;
> 
> Exactly! Are there any other towns other than Sodom and  Gomorra
> that were totally destroyed by God with fire and brimstone 
> mentioned in  the Bible? It was the ideal example that Jesus was 
> trying to impress on his  disciples. God's judgemnet.

That was certainly a factor: This is how God punishes
people who are so arrogant they are deaf to God's Word.

But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such
punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another.

Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked
in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*,
the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the
specific sin for which it was punished.

If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the
the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is
greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.

Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and
metaphors.  That's why they're so powerful.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

[mrfishey2001]

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RE: Post #89101

Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more urgent 
issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of 
Shakespeare.

Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a bit. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> According to the Bible, they didn't want to have to
> share their  prosperity with every stranger who came
> along.
> 
> I suspect they could  have found other means, but rape
> was a pretty effective threat, and, as I  said, a common
> means of doing so at that time.
> 
> Plus which, they  probably would have enjoyed the actual
> intimidation and humiliation of the  strangers.
> 
> Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not
> about  sex but about power.
> 
> I re read the story of Lot and found nothing about the  people of 
> Sodom not wanting to share their prosperity with anybody.

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her 
daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she 
did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed 
abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it." 
(Ezekiel 16:49-50)

In other words, the "abominations" were secondary.
In becoming arrogant and selfish, they separated
themselves from God and *as a result* descended into
immorality.

Question for you: Which do you think is more immoral,
being homosexual, or raping strangers? 




 Perhaps just  the opposite. The 
> crowd expected they Angels share themselves with the men and  boys 
of Sodom 
> while staying in their city. In fact the two angels that came  were 
traveling 
> and only intended to spend the night in the town square and Lot  
insisted they 
> come to his home where he prepared a feast for them and they would  
be able to 
> leave in the morning and be on their way as early as they  wanted. 
In fact 
> when the crowd demanded to "know" or have sex with the two  angels 
and Lot 
> refused and offered his virgin daughters instead, the  crowd  
became furious and 
> told Lot he was an outsider living among  them and had no right to 
tell them 
> what they could have or not have. The  point of the story was God 
had been told 
> the people of Sodom and Gomorra were  wicked in every way and He 
wanted to see 
> for himself. Now I'll  agree,that depriving hospitality to 
traveling strangers 
> could have  been looked upon as wicked or unkind but remember, they 
were 
> wicked in every  way. And Laviticus 18:22 describes homosexuality  
as an 
> abomination in the  eyes of God. Also it says else where in the 
Bible that God took the 
> land that he  gave to the Jews away from  other people that had 
defiled 
> themselves  through such behaviors. And God commanded that Jews not 
do the same 
> things or he  would take the land from them.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Christ. 
  What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that  refuses his 
  message > are in far worse condition because the message was 
  offered  and rejected > where as it was never offered to the 
  Sodomites who never rejected  it.Of course, but why did Jesus 
  choose Sodom for thecomparison?  He didn't just pick it out of a 
  hat;

Exactly! Are there any other towns other than Sodom and 
Gomorra that were totally destroyed by God with fire and brimstone mentioned in 
the Bible? It was the ideal example that Jesus was trying to impress on his 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
According to the Bible, they didn't want to have toshare their 
  prosperity with every stranger who camealong.I suspect they could 
  have found other means, but rapewas a pretty effective threat, and, as I 
  said, a commonmeans of doing so at that time.Plus which, they 
  probably would have enjoyed the actualintimidation and humiliation of the 
  strangers.Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is notabout 
  sex but about power.

I re read the story of Lot and found nothing about the 
people of Sodom not wanting to share their prosperity with anybody. Perhaps just 
the opposite. The crowd expected they Angels share themselves with the men and 
boys of Sodom while staying in their city. In fact the two angels that came 
were traveling and only intended to spend the night in the town square and Lot 
insisted they come to his home where he prepared a feast for them and they would 
be able to leave in the morning and be on their way as early as they 
wanted. In fact when the crowd demanded to "know" or have sex with the two 
angels and Lot refused and offered his virgin daughters instead, the 
crowd  became furious and told Lot he was an outsider living among 
them and had no right to tell them what they could have or not have. The 
point of the story was God had been told the people of Sodom and Gomorra were 
wicked in every way and He wanted to see for himself. Now I'll 
agree,that depriving hospitality to traveling strangers could have 
been looked upon as wicked or unkind but remember, they were wicked in every 
way. And Laviticus 18:22 describes homosexuality  as an abomination in the 
eyes of God. Also it says else where in the Bible that God took the land that he 
gave to the Jews away from  other people that had defiled themselves 
through such behaviors. And God commanded that Jews not do the same things or he 
would take the land from them.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> > I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> > than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> > around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people.
> 
> As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-)
> 
> I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five
> screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other
> and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, 
> which orifice they like having things stuck in.

So Alex, do you think this is an honest description
of the posts Barry found?


  I
> figured that as long as people were going to argue
> over nothing, I might as well stir the waters in the
> hope they got it out of their system before I got back. :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> > > I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> > > than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> > > around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out 
> > > of people.
> > 
> > In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he 
> > posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons 
> > and then sit back and laugh at her.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> > Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is 
> > beyond me...
> 
> I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of
> spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the
> mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply 
> push the buttons of someone who has a proven history 
> of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion 
> when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit 
> back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I
> wanted exposed.

Q.E.D.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> > I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> > than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> > around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out 
> > of people.
> 
> In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he 
> posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons 
> and then sit back and laugh at her.

Yup.

> Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is 
> beyond me...

I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of
spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the
mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply 
push the buttons of someone who has a proven history 
of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion 
when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit 
back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I
wanted exposed.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Judy, above you said:
> > 
> > "Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual 
> > disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically.  A 
man 
> > who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no 
more 
> > sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent 
> > young girls."
> > 
> > Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12-
> > year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male?
> 
> I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there
> is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who
> have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference
> between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though
> adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and
> vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. Judy's
> saying one thing, and you're responding with a question concerning a
> different issue.

Bingo.  I've been trying to get Shemp to figure that
out for himself, but he probably never would have.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't 
> > help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes 
> > himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts 
> > bullshit just to get a rise out of people.
> 
> In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses 
> to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at 
> her.

But he isn't telling the truth.  It's just a pose.



> Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > The  Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with
> > another man  they 
> > way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the  
> > point across 
> > without being too graphic.
> 
> I am not a  biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds 
> that it is within gods  grace for a man to *lay* with  a 
> woman in the ways a man lays  with another man. 
> 
> 
> 
> There is no sin that can not be  forgiven.

There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those
who cannot accept themselves and others.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Camille Paglia is bullshit.
> 
> Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this?

Uh, because I think she's bullshit?

(Not sure why it seems unlike me.)






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants.  Remembering the interior photos here of that big  white elephant of a S-V mansion in Fairfield, I think this would be a good thing. No one could conceivably do a worse job of interior design than the owners did.   :-) I hope they call before they come.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
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>
> Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, 
> I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously 
> than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking 
> around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people.

As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-)

I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five
screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other
and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, 
which orifice they like having things stuck in.  I
figured that as long as people were going to argue
over nothing, I might as well stir the waters in the
hope they got it out of their system before I got back. :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > >  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> >  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > >  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
> > >  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call 
> > > > > it "counter 
> > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > > > nature." Instead, I just call it something I'm 
not 
> > > into 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > various 
> > > > > > > > > > reasons. However, I don't justify my personal 
> > distaste 
> > > by 
> > > > > > > > condemning 
> > > > > > > > > > other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, 
> there 
> > > are 
> > > > > > some 
> > > > > > > > who 
> > > > > > > > > > equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view 
> both 
> > > as a 
> > > > > > > matter 
> > > > > > > > > > of "taste" so for them, it goes beyond a matter 
of 
> > > taste.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for 
equating
> > > > > > > > > homosexuality with pedophilia.  A pedophile is one 
> whose
> > > > > > > > > sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, 
of 
> > > > > > > > > either sex.  That's just a fact, that's not an 
> opinion
> > > > > > > > > or a matter of "taste."
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't 
> pedophilia.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a
> > > > > > > > sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at 
least
> > > > > > > > clinically.  A man who is attracted to young boys, if
> > > > > > > > they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered
> > > > > > > > than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young
> > > > > > > > girls.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has 
> > > dropped, 
> > > > > if 
> > > > > > > he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, 
then 
> > the 
> > > 60 
> > > > > > > year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Is that what you're saying?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about
> > > > > > guilt or legal distinctions?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > pedophilia = illegal
> > > > > 
> > > > > homosexuality = legal
> > > > 
> > > > I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about
> > > > guilt or legal distinctions?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Okay, forget whether or not you were talking about guilt or 
> legal 
> > > distinctions...
> > 
> > No need to "forget whether or not," just acknowledge
> > that I was not.
> > 
> > > I'm now asking you whether a 60 year old man who 
> > > engages in consentual homosexual sex with a post-pubescent 12 
> year 
> > > old is only guilty of statutory rape and nothing else?
> > 
> > How should I know?  Look it up yourself.
> >
> 
> (sigh)
> 
> Okay, let's try it this way.

Let's try *what* this way, Shemp?

Somewhere in your mind you've made some very odd
connection between what I wrote and the question
you keep trying to ask.  Make that connection
explicit, or forget it.




> Judy, above you said:
> 
> "Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual 
> disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically.  A man 
> who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no
> more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-
> pubescent young girls."
> 
> Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12-
> year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around,
> breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous
> hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants.

Remembering the interior photos here of that big 
white elephant of a S-V mansion in Fairfield, I think
this would be a good thing. No one could conceivably
do a worse job of interior design than the owners did. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Han måste vara en siddha!

[Patrick Gillam]

--- cardemaister wrote:
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> Swedish goal-keeper Henrik Lundkvist must
> be a TMO-recertified siddha:
> 
> http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,784526,00.html

Briefly, what's it say?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandlers Wobble?

[Vaj]

On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Nelson wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Nelson wrote:   Been contemplating the wobble story that was posted a while back and wonder if there was any more thought on it.   If it turned out that it could caause a pole shift, shouldnt all the "vastu correct" people be getting prepared to get upset?    And with that, would the sun come up in the east if the east wasn't in the east any longer?    Should we worry a little or is it another Y2K farce?  N.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Wobble  ++ And I thought we were going to have a little excitement.     Maybe the ice caps melting a little more will do it? Well the oceans are in for quite a change. Wait till the Ross ice shelf moves to sea! :-)





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