[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
The Nazis REVERSED the original swastika, which is a symbol representing life, the Nazis reversed it's direction... I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: Correct it does not describe the technique of manasika-japa/TM but merely defines mindfulness in a broad context of practice. Insomuch as TM involves awareness, then you can say its mindfulness. Precisely. Beyond that, depends on the definition of mindfulness. I am using Asanga's definition as it is pertinent to the style of meditation we are discussing. Blink, blink. Which style is that? As I pointed out, a perfectly valid TM session could involve thinking the mantra once and being distracted by internal/external phenomena for the next 20 minutes. You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a valid meditation in your version of TM style meditation. MY version of TM-style meditation? It is what has happened on occassion. How is this MY version? Perhaps it has never happened with anyone else, but I doubt it. What that will actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long enough-- which actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this technique. LEts see: anything can happen during TM practice, and its a fault of the technique... Do all practitioners of your style of meditation indulge in such sloppy use of their native languages? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 So you're not familiar with the Hopi, Hindu, etc., symbol that the Nazis also used at one point? Where did you think Hitler got it? Do you think he made it up? It's a mystical symbol used in many different cultures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm familiar with it in the context of the TM-Sidhis. Where is this official movement translation of the term to be found in the context of plain-vanilla TM? Steadiness is a popular TMer word for dharana. Really? I heard that dharana, dyhana, samadhi was to be translated as maintainance, motion, samadhi, not steadiness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 ...fits right in with the ol' damn the democracy quote... Same comment to you as to Rick. Learn to recognize common mystical symbols before you open your mouth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? Nope, Hitler's was right-facing, like this one. That his was backwards is apparently a myth: http://tinyurl.com/c6h7a (Wikipedia article) Not all swastica symbols face the same way, IIRC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Huh, but one can have the outward stroke for the full 20 minutes of TM practice and still be practicing TM absolutely correctly. Good luck with that! So Judy and I have been correct: you really never learned TM, regardless of what classes/courses you took on the subject. So you believe that to have learned TM properly, you have to believe all the *dogma* about TM that was taught to you? That's what you're saying, in effect. What you've just said isn't about the mechanics of TM, but about what you were told in the lectures *about* TM. It's THEORY. Vaj has a *different* theory, based on his subsequent experience. I think that in the biz, that's known as an OPINION. :-) Theoretical or not, I was taught that that particular experience during TM practice was just as valid as any other. Vaj was implying (and later clarified) that its not a good experience. Are you so weak in your *own* practice that you have to suggest that anyone who doesn't believe the same dogma you believe is doing TM wrong? What dogma? The dogma that says that any ole experience during TM practice is as good as any other? That IS what you are suggesting. I mean, think this through, dude...if TM is as automatic as you have maintained in the past, and as free from the need to believe in it, then a person could be practicing it as taught and believe that any benefits come from tiny green gophers who, as one thinks the mantra, scurry around the brain eating up any unruly neurons in the brain. Of course. However, any theory that explains TM needs to preservethe essence of TM. I don't think yours does, unless you can link it to the anything goes aspect of TM practice. Your position is based on an assumption, also one that you were TOLD, that TM works by dis- solving stress. Some of us, based on our exper- ience with other techniques and with higher states of consciousness, don't believe that this is true. Therefore, to us, the benefit of any form of meditation, *including* TM, is a direct result of how effectively the practice leads to transcendence. We believe *that* (the amount of time spent in transcendence) is the mechanism that affects change, *not* sitting there lost in thought. This conflicts with the TM dogma, but it may be correct. It's a matter of belief, not fact. Sure, but within the TM explanation, its a perfectly valid meditation episode. You're merely objecting to it being valid becuase YOUR theories don't jive with it. Stop this stuff. You're too intelligent to have to stoop to this sort of argument. It's *permis- sible* to have different opinions on the theory behind TM, *especially* if, as in Vaj's case, he has other experiences *besides* TM to base his theory on, and is not (as in your case) basing them completely on what he was TOLD. Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. As I suggested to t3rinity lately, and as he seems to have taken to heart, you'd make a much stronger case for your beliefs if you found a way to present them positively than if you just react in a knee-jerk fashion by trying to defend them by demonizing the person who believes differently, or who is presenting a different set of beliefs. But when you react by trying to say that the other person's opinion is fatally flawed, and that they never learned properly, all you reveal is your own dependence on dogma and doing what you were told. You're better than that. Lol. The most blind is often the one who complains about everyone else being blind. Have you ever noticed that, I wonder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: --- Imaginary scenario...what are the responses of the Gurus?: A Guru is lecturing in a hall with devotees, when some terrorist bandits come in and demand money from everyone; if the money is not forthcoming, the Guru's fingers will be cut off. Some people in the group fail to fork over their money and the terrorists cut off 2 of the Guru's fingers. Then, the police come in and round up the bandits, after which the lecture continues... [Q = question from the audience]; [R = response of the Guru]: Q: [the Guru is Nisargadatta Maharaj]: Oh Guru, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off? R: Ask, who is the I of the person whose fingers were cut off. Q: [the Guru is MMY - pronounced Maharshee - otherwise you sit in the back if pronounced Mahareeshee]: Maharshee, who do you feel that your fingers were cut off? R: A person in Unity cannot suffer. Besides, we just meditate and take it as it comes. Q: [the Guru is Ramesh Balsekar] Ramesh, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off? R: No problem, it's all part of the total functioning of the Universe. Q: [The Guru is Ramana Maharshi, addressed as Bhagavan] Bhagavan, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off? R: What is fated to happen, will happen. The best thing to do is to remain silent. --- End forwarded message --- Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that would be the most sensible action for all of the above. And when asked why he was screaming/whimpering with pain, any of the above might have replied: because its what one does in this kind of situation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any style of meditation where you have an object of focus Which excludes TM, since TM doesn't involve focusing. In terms of process, it is the point you return to irregardless. Focus here being an english trans. of the Sanskrit dharana or focus of attention in the official movement translation of the word. Since you claimed to be familiar with TM, I assumed you would be conversant in their language. Apparently that is not the case. But, what mantra do you return to? You don't have to be so TM-centric and bigoted, man. Many techniques of meditation don't even *use* a mantra. But you still come back to something. I'm aware that many techniques don't use a mantra. I was referring to the assumption that one knows what one's mantra is in the first placein the sense that most people would think of knowing. As like as not, my mantra is often a vague hum that is only identifiable as my mantra because its the most convenient label handy for whatever it is. IMO it isn't the mantra per se that enables TM to work; it's the coming back to, the element of focus (even if it's soft focus, as in TM). The choice of TM mantras was come to by trial and error, and changed radically during MMY's early years. You can find them in many books, and chances are that's where Maharishi found them. There is nothing partic- ularly magical about them. IMO, its the *process* that enables TM to work. In other words, you responded to Vaj's point with a non-sequitur intended to dismiss it and suggest that TM is best. Again. And again, you're better than that. In other words, you responded to MYpoint with a non-sequitur designed to prove that you and Vaj are correct and I am wrong. Just my two centimes...I'm just trying to suggest that there is room for people to believe different things about meditation and how it works. Chances are that *none* of them are correct. Acting as if one is correct and all others are incorrect seems to me a great way to develop a lot of negative karma, not to evolve. Whatever. We were talking about the ole Transcendental Meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Vaj and you both indicate that you have not only different beliefs about what makes TM work, but different beliefs about what TM *IS* in the first place. Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. snip to Insomuch as TM involves awareness, then you can say its mindfulness. Beyond that, depends on the definition of mindfulness. Correct. Earlier, I used a more limited definition of mindfulness; but as Vaj and others here seem to be using it, it's a term that applies to the application of selective attention, period. As such, I would have to agree that most forms of meditation, including TM, fall into that category. ONly within the most vague and open-ended definition of selective attention. As I pointed out, a perfectly valid TM session could involve thinking the mantra once and being distracted by internal/external phenomena for the next 20 minutes. You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. I don't think Vaj ever suggested that sitting lost in thought wasn't valid. As I read what he said, he's suggesting that IN HIS OPINION it isn't particularly *effective*. I would agree. That doesn't mean that we didn't understand or get the TM dogma that surrounds this issue, merely that we don't buy it. Fair enough, but *I* buyit becuase it DOES seem to work quite effectively for little ole ADHD me. There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that they didn't hear and understand the same things you did when you were listening to the TM teachers who were parroting what they were told to say. It just means that the other person has chosen not to take what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you or your own opinions unless you allow it to. Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value judgements to one particular experience over another, you're no longer practicing TM. My point with Judy as well... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a valid meditation in your version of TM style meditation. What that will actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long enough-- which actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this technique. For what it's worth, I actually agree with Vaj here. That does *not* mean that I didn't learn TM properly, merely that nearly 40 years of meditation practice have suggested other ways of seeing the situation to me that I tend to believe more than the dogma that is taught in the TM organization. sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value judgements to one set of experiences over another, you're no longer practicing TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Huh, but one can have the outward stroke for the full 20 minutes of TM practice and still be practicing TM absolutely correctly. Good luck with that! So Judy and I have been correct: you really never learned TM, regardless of what classes/courses you took on the subject. So you believe that to have learned TM properly, you have to believe all the *dogma* about TM that was taught to you? That's what you're saying, in effect. What you've just said isn't about the mechanics of TM, but about what you were told in the lectures *about* TM. It's THEORY. Vaj has a *different* theory, based on his subsequent experience. I think that in the biz, that's known as an OPINION. :-) Theoretical or not, I was taught that that particular experience during TM practice was just as valid as any other. Vaj was implying (and later clarified) that its not a good experience. Or possibly not the most effective experience. Yes, he did. And that is his OPINION, based on experience with TM and with other techniques, and with a wide range of teachings. Him believing that does NOT imply that he really never learned TM. Do you GET this, man? He could have learned exactly as you did, believed it for years, and then *changed his mind*, coming to a different conclusion, right? Are you so weak in your *own* practice that you have to suggest that anyone who doesn't believe the same dogma you believe is doing TM wrong? What dogma? The dogma that says that any ole experience during TM practice is as good as any other? YES!!! That is dogma. You were TAUGHT this. WE, as TM teachers, taught it to you. It isn't necessarily Truth, with a capital 'T.' It's just what we were taught to say. I believed it at the time, when I said it. I no longer do. That doesn't mean that I really never learned TM. Do you GET this distinction? That IS what you are suggesting. I mean, think this through, dude...if TM is as automatic as you have maintained in the past, and as free from the need to believe in it, then a person could be practicing it as taught and believe that any benefits come from tiny green gophers who, as one thinks the mantra, scurry around the brain eating up any unruly neurons in the brain. Of course. However, any theory that explains TM needs to preserve the essence of TM. Why? Vaj isn't a TMer. He can have any theory about meditation and how meditation works that he wants. You are free to have your own belief in what you were TOLD about how TM works; he is free to have his own belief about how TM works, based on his own experience and what he may have learned in different traditions. He is NOT trying to convince you to meditate differently. He is merely presenting a different way of looking at the mechanics of meditation and what, in his opinion, the most important transformative element of meditation is. I don't think yours does, unless you can link it to the anything goes aspect of TM practice. It's just a THEORY, dude. It doesn't affect TM or your practice of it in any WAY. And, contrary to what you tried to imply, it doesn't imply that my understanding of what TM presents in its dogma, or Vaj's, is flawed and indicates that we really never learned TM. We *did* learn TM. We believed as you do for many years. We changed our minds, that's all. Your position is based on an assumption, also one that you were TOLD, that TM works by dis- solving stress. Some of us, based on our exper- ience with other techniques and with higher states of consciousness, don't believe that this is true. Therefore, to us, the benefit of any form of meditation, *including* TM, is a direct result of how effectively the practice leads to transcendence. We believe *that* (the amount of time spent in transcendence) is the mechanism that affects change, *not* sitting there lost in thought. This conflicts with the TM dogma, but it may be correct. It's a matter of belief, not fact. Sure, but within the TM explanation, its a perfectly valid meditation episode. You're merely objecting to it being valid becuase YOUR theories don't jive with it. If *you* believe it's valid, FINE!!! I have never said that I *don't* think it's valid. I personally don't think that sitting for 20 minutes lost in thought is as *effective* a style of meditation as possible, but that's just what I believe. You are free to practice TM exactly as it was taught to you, and believe the dogma that was taught to you about its theory. I just believe in a different theory these days. AGAIN, the point of this discus- sion is that *you* chose
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an effective meditation session. that *theory* just happens to be the same one that was TOLD to you by your TM teachers. Vaj has a different theory. You tried to imply that this means he never really learned TM. You really *don't* GET this, do you? I don't think YOU get it: when a technique is meant to be easy, innocent, etc., theories that portray one set of experiences as being better than another set, detract from the *innocence* of the technique. That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. However, its hard to argue (though you and Vaj seem to) that one can have a theory of TM divorced from the innocence of TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Non-light-emitting TMers
Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to LESS enlightenment since TMers showed significantly fewer spontaneous emmissions of photons from their skin than non-TMers in this newly published study: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2006.12.31 Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine Anatomic Characterization of Human Ultra-Weak Photon Emission in Practitioners of Transcendental Meditation? and Control Subjects Jan 2006, Vol. 12, No. 1: 31-38 Eduard P.A. Van Wijk, Ph.D. International Institute of Biophysics, Neuss, Germany. Heike Koch, M.A. International Institute of Biophysics, Neuss, Germany. Saskia Bosman, Ph.D. International Institute of Biophysics, Neuss, Germany. Roeland Van Wijk, Ph.D. International Institute of Biophysics, Neuss, Germany. Faculty of Biology, Utrecht University, Utrecht, The Netherlands. Background: Research on human ultra-weak photon emission (UPE, biophoton emission) has raised the question whether a typical human emission anatomic percentage distribution pattern exists in addition to individual subject overall anatomic summation intensity differences. The lowest UPE intensities were observed in two subjects who regularly meditate. Spectral analysis of human UPE has suggested that ultra-weak emission is probably, at least in part, a reflection of free radical reactions in a living system. It has been documented that various physiologic and biochemical shifts follow the long-term practice of meditation and it is inferred that meditation may impact free radical activity. Objective: To systematically quantify, in subjects with long-term transcendental meditation (TM) experience and subjects without this experience, the UPE emission of the anterior torso, head and neck plus the hands in an attempt to document the differences by the two groups. Subjects: Subjects were 20 men reported to be healthy and nonsmokers. Each of the subjects in the meditation group had practiced TM twice daily for at least the past 10 years. Methods: UPE in 20 subjects was recorded in a dark room using a highly sensitive, cooled photomultiplier system designed for manipulation in three directions. The protocol for multisite registration of spontaneous emission includes recording of 12 anatomic locations of anterior torso, head, and hands. Results: Data demonstrate emission intensities that are lower in TM practitioners as compared to control subjects. The percent contribution of emission from most anatomic locations was not significantly different for TM practitioners and control subjects. Exceptions are the contributions of throat and palm. Conclusion: In subjects with long-term TM experience, the UPE emission is different from control subjects. Data support the hypothesis that free radical reactions can be influenced by TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Just my two centimes...I'm just trying to suggest that there is room for people to believe different things about meditation and how it works. Chances are that *none* of them are correct. Acting as if one is correct and all others are incorrect seems to me a great way to develop a lot of negative karma, not to evolve. Whatever. We were talking about the ole Transcendental Meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Vaj and you both indicate that you have not only different beliefs about what makes TM work, but different beliefs about what TM *IS* in the first place. And? Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. No, it doesn't. One could still be practicing TM *exactly* as taught and believe what Vaj and I believe. You are confusing theory with practice, and the dogma one believes in with the actuality of the practice one believes it *about*. I could believe what I believe and still practice TM exactly as it was taught to me; if you can't, that's your problem, not mine. As I pointed out, a perfectly valid TM session could involve thinking the mantra once and being distracted by internal/external phenomena for the next 20 minutes. You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. I don't think Vaj ever suggested that sitting lost in thought wasn't valid. As I read what he said, he's suggesting that IN HIS OPINION it isn't particularly *effective*. I would agree. That doesn't mean that we didn't understand or get the TM dogma that surrounds this issue, merely that we don't buy it. Fair enough, but *I* buyit becuase it DOES seem to work quite effectively for little ole ADHD me. And that's just FINE, dude. I have never said any differently. I'm not trying to SELL you my theory. It's MINE. It doesn't affect you in any way, unless you allow it to. There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that they didn't hear and understand the same things you did when you were listening to the TM teachers who were parroting what they were told to say. It just means that the other person has chosen not to take what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you or your own opinions unless you allow it to. Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value judgements to one particular experience over another, you're no longer practicing TM. NOT NECESSARILY. Vaj, as far as I know, DOES NOT PRACTICE TM. Neither do I. What we believe about meditation and what makes a meditation session effective doesn't affect TM in the slightest. Are you trying to say that your mind is so weak that if someone *else* suggests a different way of looking at meditation and how it works, that is going to affect how *you* meditate? :-) It's THEORY, dude, and furthermore a theory pro- posed by two people who do *not* practice TM and probably never will again. We are not trying to SELL you our theory or convert you to believing in it. It's just FINE for you to believe what you believe today. You are reacting as if by even mentioning our theories we are putting the sanctity and purity of *your* meditation in some kind of jeapardy. Your position seems to be based on the idea that different theories of how meditation works might have cooties and somehow infect those who hear them and render them incapable of practicing their meditation the way they were originally taught to. Has anything you've ever heard here or on a.m.t. ever affected how you choose to practice TM? If not, then I rest my case. Lighten up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Nazis REVERSED the original swastika, which is a symbol representing life, the Nazis reversed it's direction... I don't think they did reverse it, Hitler thought the 3rd reich would last forever so it was chosen as a symbol of eternity, which is how scholars interpreted it, not realising it was actually a symbol of the dual nature of reality. Stillness at the centre giving rise to dynamism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a valid meditation in your version of TM style meditation. What that will actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long enough-- which actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this technique. For what it's worth, I actually agree with Vaj here. That does *not* mean that I didn't learn TM properly, merely that nearly 40 years of meditation practice have suggested other ways of seeing the situation to me that I tend to believe more than the dogma that is taught in the TM organization. sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value judgements to one set of experiences over another, you're no longer practicing TM. Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) But what you're saying isn't true. When it comes to driving an automobile, I happen to believe that the speed limits imposed by the French govenment are about ten kilometers per hour too slow. I definitely assign a value judgement to that belief. I value driving faster more than I value driving at a rate I consider too slow for traffic conditions. But that doesn't prevent me from driving below the posted speed limit *most of the time* because that behavior saves me a great deal of money that I would otherwise spend on speeding fines. You seem to be saying that the fact that I assign a value judgement to my belief about what the proper speed limit should be and prefer one way of driving over another, that I have NO CHOICE other than to drive faster than that. Your mind may work that way, but mine doesn't... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Just my two centimes...I'm just trying to suggest that there is room for people to believe different things about meditation and how it works. Chances are that *none* of them are correct. Acting as if one is correct and all others are incorrect seems to me a great way to develop a lot of negative karma, not to evolve. Whatever. We were talking about the ole Transcendental Meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Vaj and you both indicate that you have not only different beliefs about what makes TM work, but different beliefs about what TM *IS* in the first place. And? Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. No, it doesn't. One could still be practicing TM *exactly* as taught and believe what Vaj and I believe. You are confusing theory with practice, and the dogma one believes in with the actuality of the practice one believes it *about*. I could believe what I believe and still practice TM exactly as it was taught to me; if you can't, that's your problem, not mine. So you believe that you can separate yourself into an innocent practioner who disagrees with the explanation that any experience is valid during TM practice and a theoretician who does NOT believe this? So for you, theory, in this context, wouldn't interfere with practice, even though your theory directly contradicts the instructions? As I pointed out, a perfectly valid TM session could involve thinking the mantra once and being distracted by internal/external phenomena for the next 20 minutes. You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. I don't think Vaj ever suggested that sitting lost in thought wasn't valid. As I read what he said, he's suggesting that IN HIS OPINION it isn't particularly *effective*. I would agree. That doesn't mean that we didn't understand or get the TM dogma that surrounds this issue, merely that we don't buy it. Fair enough, but *I* buyit becuase it DOES seem to work quite effectively for little ole ADHD me. And that's just FINE, dude. I have never said any differently. I'm not trying to SELL you my theory. It's MINE. It doesn't affect you in any way, unless you allow it to. I don't accept the theory. You DO accept the theory. I claim that your insistence that one experience during TM is automatically better than another taints the practice. There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that they didn't hear and understand the same things you did when you were listening to the TM teachers who were parroting what they were told to say. It just means that the other person has chosen not to take what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you or your own opinions unless you allow it to. Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value judgements to one particular experience over another, you're no longer practicing TM. NOT NECESSARILY. Vaj, as far as I know, DOES NOT PRACTICE TM. Neither do I. What we believe about meditation and what makes a meditation session effective doesn't affect TM in the slightest. How would you know, not being a TMer any more, by your own admission? Are you trying to say that your mind is so weak that if someone *else* suggests a different way of looking at meditation and how it works, that is going to affect how *you* meditate? :-) If I accept it, sure. Innocence is lost when you start assigning value judgements. That you don't see this is quite telling. It's THEORY, dude, and furthermore a theory pro- posed by two people who do *not* practice TM and probably never will again. We are not trying to SELL you our theory or convert you to believing in it. It's just FINE for you to believe what you believe today. You are reacting as if by even mentioning our theories we are putting the sanctity and purity of *your* meditation in some kind of jeapardy. Nope, but I argue that theory and practice during TM are inseparable. You can practice TM without ANY kindof theory, but any acceptable theory from a TM technique perspective needs to explain things in terms of the practice -- that is, the innocence of the technique. Your position seems to be based on the idea that different theories of how meditation works might
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an effective meditation session. that *theory* just happens to be the same one that was TOLD to you by your TM teachers. Vaj has a different theory. You tried to imply that this means he never really learned TM. You really *don't* GET this, do you? I don't think YOU get it: when a technique is meant to be easy, innocent, etc., theories that portray one set of experiences as being better than another set, detract from the *innocence* of the technique. ONLY if one ACTS on those theories. Otherwise, they're just theories. Your position seems to be that a person who believes as we do has NO CHOICE but to act on them. And your further theory seems to be that a TMer *has* to believe all the dogma and theory that was taught to them about TM to be really practicing TM. They don't. That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. However, its hard to argue (though you and Vaj seem to) that one can have a theory of TM divorced from the innocence of TM. We seem to have the ability to believe something is true and not necessarily act upon it. T'would seem that you don't believe that this is possible. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a valid meditation in your version of TM style meditation. What that will actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long enough-- which actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this technique. For what it's worth, I actually agree with Vaj here. That does *not* mean that I didn't learn TM properly, merely that nearly 40 years of meditation practice have suggested other ways of seeing the situation to me that I tend to believe more than the dogma that is taught in the TM organization. sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value judgements to one set of experiences over another, you're no longer practicing TM. Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) But what you're saying isn't true. When it comes to driving an automobile, I happen to believe that the speed limits imposed by the French govenment are about ten kilometers per hour too slow. I definitely assign a value judgement to that belief. I value driving faster more than I value driving at a rate I consider too slow for traffic conditions. But that doesn't prevent me from driving below the posted speed limit *most of the time* because that behavior saves me a great deal of money that I would otherwise spend on speeding fines. You seem to be saying that the fact that I assign a value judgement to my belief about what the proper speed limit should be and prefer one way of driving over another, that I have NO CHOICE other than to drive faster than that. Your mind may work that way, but mine doesn't... But TM helps the mind to stop working so hard. You're addicted to having the mind work all the time, obviously... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you believe that you can separate yourself into an innocent practioner who disagrees with the explanation that any experience is valid during TM practice and a theoretician who does NOT believe this? SHould read: So you believe that you can separate yourself into an innocent practioner who agrees with the explanation that any experience is valid during TM practice and a theoretician who does NOT believe this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an effective meditation session. that *theory* just happens to be the same one that was TOLD to you by your TM teachers. Vaj has a different theory. You tried to imply that this means he never really learned TM. You really *don't* GET this, do you? I don't think YOU get it: when a technique is meant to be easy, innocent, etc., theories that portray one set of experiences as being better than another set, detract from the *innocence* of the technique. ONLY if one ACTS on those theories. Otherwise, they're just theories. Your position seems to be that a person who believes as we do has NO CHOICE but to act on them. And your further theory seems to be that a TMer *has* to believe all the dogma and theory that was taught to them about TM to be really practicing TM. They don't. They don't have to accept ANY dogma about TM, but if they start assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over another, then by definition, they are no longer practicing TM. That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. However, its hard to argue (though you and Vaj seem to) that one can have a theory of TM divorced from the innocence of TM. We seem to have the ability to believe something is true and not necessarily act upon it. T'would seem that you don't believe that this is possible. In the context of TM? If you assign a significance to one experience over another, than the theory IS the practice, at least in the TM context, since the practice of TM involves innocent acceptance of all sets of experiences during meditation practice as equally valid. If you assign greater validity to one set of experiences over another during TM practice, that is no longer innocent in the practice. In fact, you and Vaj CANNOT practice TM any more, IMHO because you quite literally and consciously reject the technique by insisting that you know better than what happens naturally when you let it happen. You've lost your innocence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. No, it doesn't. One could still be practicing TM *exactly* as taught and believe what Vaj and I believe. You are confusing theory with practice, and the dogma one believes in with the actuality of the practice one believes it *about*. I could believe what I believe and still practice TM exactly as it was taught to me; if you can't, that's your problem, not mine. So you believe that you can separate yourself into an innocent practioner who disagrees with the explanation that any experience is valid during TM practice and a theoretician who does NOT believe this? Absolutely. You can't? So for you, theory, in this context, wouldn't interfere with practice, even though your theory directly contradicts the instructions? If I felt that the practice as taught was valuable and I wanted the benefits of it as taught, I would be able to practice it as taught even though I didn't believe ONE WORD of the theory behind it. I have done exactly this MANY TIMES when attending teachings given by different spiritual traditions. I may believe NONE of the theory behind the tech- niques they teach, but when it comes to practicing them in the group as they are taught, I practice them *exactly* as taught. Otherwise I am not giving them a fair trial. This is the process of following the instructions, evaluating the results, and THEN deciding whether the theory makes sense. You seem to be saying that one has to buy the theory FIRST in order to be able to follow the instructions. snip And that's just FINE, dude. I have never said any differently. I'm not trying to SELL you my theory. It's MINE. It doesn't affect you in any way, unless you allow it to. I don't accept the theory. You DO accept the theory. I claim that your insistence that one experience during TM is automatically better than another taints the practice. Exactly HOW? Read my lips again: I DON'T PRACTICE TM. What's it gonna taint? YOU don't agree with my theory. Is it going to taint* your meditation? Think this shit through, dude. What you're arguing is that belief drives experience. There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that they didn't hear and understand the same things you did when you were listening to the TM teachers who were parroting what they were told to say. It just means that the other person has chosen not to take what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you or your own opinions unless you allow it to. Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value judgements to one particular experience over another, you're no longer practicing TM. NOT NECESSARILY. Vaj, as far as I know, DOES NOT PRACTICE TM. Neither do I. What we believe about meditation and what makes a meditation session effective doesn't affect TM in the slightest. How would you know, not being a TMer any more, by your own admission? Admission? Are you suggesting I just confessed to something? :-) I *don't* know. I have beliefs, based on the full range of meditation techniques I have studied. You are still reacting as if I'm trying to SELL you something because I believe differently than you do. Are you trying to say that your mind is so weak that if someone *else* suggests a different way of looking at meditation and how it works, that is going to affect how *you* meditate? :-) If I accept it, sure. Innocence is lost when you start assigning value judgements. That you don't see this is quite telling. That you do is even more telling, IMO. You are asserting that belief in how TM works is *essential* to it working properly. Has it occurred to you that this is directly contrary to everything you were ever told about TM? It's THEORY, dude, and furthermore a theory pro- posed by two people who do *not* practice TM and probably never will again. We are not trying to SELL you our theory or convert you to believing in it. It's just FINE for you to believe what you believe today. You are reacting as if by even mentioning our theories we are putting the sanctity and purity of *your* meditation in some kind of jeapardy. Nope, but I argue that theory and practice during TM are inseparable. In other words, in your opinion, belief in the theory of how TM works is *essential* for it to be practiced properly. Did I get this right? You can practice TM without ANY kind of theory, but any acceptable theory from a TM technique perspective needs to explain things in terms of the practice -- that is, the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an effective meditation session. that *theory* just happens to be the same one that was TOLD to you by your TM teachers. Vaj has a different theory. You tried to imply that this means he never really learned TM. You really *don't* GET this, do you? I don't think YOU get it: when a technique is meant to be easy, innocent, etc., theories that portray one set of experiences as being better than another set, detract from the *innocence* of the technique. ONLY if one ACTS on those theories. Otherwise, they're just theories. Your position seems to be that a person who believes as we do has NO CHOICE but to act on them. And your further theory seems to be that a TMer *has* to believe all the dogma and theory that was taught to them about TM to be really practicing TM. They don't. They don't have to accept ANY dogma about TM, but if they start assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over another, then by definition, they are no longer practicing TM. ONLY if they act on it. That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a valid meditation in your version of TM style meditation. What that will actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long enough-- which actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this technique. For what it's worth, I actually agree with Vaj here. That does *not* mean that I didn't learn TM properly, merely that nearly 40 years of meditation practice have suggested other ways of seeing the situation to me that I tend to believe more than the dogma that is taught in the TM organization. sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value judgements to one set of experiences over another, you're no longer practicing TM. Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) But what you're saying isn't true. When it comes to driving an automobile, I happen to believe that the speed limits imposed by the French govenment are about ten kilometers per hour too slow. I definitely assign a value judgement to that belief. I value driving faster more than I value driving at a rate I consider too slow for traffic conditions. But that doesn't prevent me from driving below the posted speed limit *most of the time* because that behavior saves me a great deal of money that I would otherwise spend on speeding fines. You seem to be saying that the fact that I assign a value judgement to my belief about what the proper speed limit should be and prefer one way of driving over another, that I have NO CHOICE other than to drive faster than that. Your mind may work that way, but mine doesn't... But TM helps the mind to stop working so hard. You're addicted to having the mind work all the time, obviously... TM is to transcend thought; Mindfullness occurs in TM when one transcends, and becomes mindful of the self. Mindfulness is there the whole time with continued practice: it's there during both the inward and ourward stroke of meditation; when thinking the mantra, or when noticing you're off on a thought and coming back to the mantra; or noticing that your just quietly settled in the mindfull state of transcendental consciousness, of no- mantra/no thought. The whole point of meditation is to get beyond thought. If one is to become familiar with the infinite, then what does one focus on? What object can the mind focus on to become infinite? The mind focuses on the mantra, and then let's go. When one let's go completely then awareness arives at the infinite. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. No, it doesn't. One could still be practicing TM *exactly* as taught and believe what Vaj and I believe. You are confusing theory with practice, and the dogma one believes in with the actuality of the practice one believes it *about*. I could believe what I believe and still practice TM exactly as it was taught to me; if you can't, that's your problem, not mine. So you believe that you can separate yourself into an innocent practioner who disagrees with the explanation that any experience is valid during TM practice and a theoretician who does NOT believe this? Absolutely. You can't? So for you, theory, in this context, wouldn't interfere with practice, even though your theory directly contradicts the instructions? If I felt that the practice as taught was valuable and I wanted the benefits of it as taught, I would be able to practice it as taught even though I didn't believe ONE WORD of the theory behind it. I have done exactly this MANY TIMES when attending teachings given by different spiritual traditions. I may believe NONE of the theory behind the tech- niques they teach, but when it comes to practicing them in the group as they are taught, I practice them *exactly* as taught. Otherwise I am not giving them a fair trial. This is the process of following the instructions, evaluating the results, and THEN deciding whether the theory makes sense. You seem to be saying that one has to buy the theory FIRST in order to be able to follow the instructions. Nope, but rejecting a practice that requires innocence by claiming that innocence isn't necessary is rather odd, IMHO. snip And that's just FINE, dude. I have never said any differently. I'm not trying to SELL you my theory. It's MINE. It doesn't affect you in any way, unless you allow it to. I don't accept the theory. You DO accept the theory. I claim that your insistence that one experience during TM is automatically better than another taints the practice. Exactly HOW? Read my lips again: I DON'T PRACTICE TM. What's it gonna taint? The hypotehtical practice thatyou say you can indulge in at any time even though you reject the coreof the practice. YOU don't agree with my theory. Is it going to taint* your meditation? Think this shit through, dude. What you're arguing is that belief drives experience. To a certain extent, that's always the case. Certainly, in the case of a practice where one is *instructed* that no set of experiences is more important than any other, to insist that one set IS more important is counter to the technique itself. There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that they didn't hear and understand the same things you did when you were listening to the TM teachers who were parroting what they were told to say. It just means that the other person has chosen not to take what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you or your own opinions unless you allow it to. Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value judgements to one particular experience over another, you're no longer practicing TM. NOT NECESSARILY. Vaj, as far as I know, DOES NOT PRACTICE TM. Neither do I. What we believe about meditation and what makes a meditation session effective doesn't affect TM in the slightest. How would you know, not being a TMer any more, by your own admission? Admission? Are you suggesting I just confessed to something? :-) Er, no. I *don't* know. I have beliefs, based on the full range of meditation techniques I have studied. You are still reacting as if I'm trying to SELL you something because I believe differently than you do. Nope, I'm pointing outthe contradictions inyour own stance. Are you trying to say that your mind is so weak that if someone *else* suggests a different way of looking at meditation and how it works, that is going to affect how *you* meditate? :-) If I accept it, sure. Innocence is lost when you start assigning value judgements. That you don't see this is quite telling. That you do is even more telling, IMO. So you think that innocence, in this context, means that you DO assign value judgements? You are asserting that belief in how TM works is *essential* to it working properly. Has it occurred to you that this is directly contrary to everything you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an effective meditation session. that *theory* just happens to be the same one that was TOLD to you by your TM teachers. Vaj has a different theory. You tried to imply that this means he never really learned TM. You really *don't* GET this, do you? I don't think YOU get it: when a technique is meant to be easy, innocent, etc., theories that portray one set of experiences as being better than another set, detract from the *innocence* of the technique. ONLY if one ACTS on those theories. Otherwise, they're just theories. Your position seems to be that a person who believes as we do has NO CHOICE but to act on them. And your further theory seems to be that a TMer *has* to believe all the dogma and theory that was taught to them about TM to be really practicing TM. They don't. They don't have to accept ANY dogma about TM, but if they start assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over another, then by definition, they are no longer practicing TM. ONLY if they act on it. How can one fail to act on thoughts when thoughts are the actions we are talking about? That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Or yours. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a valid meditation in your version of TM style meditation. What that will actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long enough-- which actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this technique. For what it's worth, I actually agree with Vaj here. That does *not* mean that I didn't learn TM properly, merely that nearly 40 years of meditation practice have suggested other ways of seeing the situation to me that I tend to believe more than the dogma that is taught in the TM organization. sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value judgements to one set of experiences over another, you're no longer practicing TM. Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) But what you're saying isn't true. When it comes to driving an automobile, I happen to believe that the speed limits imposed by the French govenment are about ten kilometers per hour too slow. I definitely assign a value judgement to that belief. I value driving faster more than I value driving at a rate I consider too slow for traffic conditions. But that doesn't prevent me from driving below the posted speed limit *most of the time* because that behavior saves me a great deal of money that I would otherwise spend on speeding fines. You seem to be saying that the fact that I assign a value judgement to my belief about what the proper speed limit should be and prefer one way of driving over another, that I have NO CHOICE other than to drive faster than that. Your mind may work that way, but mine doesn't... But TM helps the mind to stop working so hard. You're addicted to having the mind work all the time, obviously... TM is to transcend thought; Mindfullness occurs in TM when one transcends, and becomes mindful of the self. Mindfulness is there the whole time with continued practice: it's there during both the inward and ourward stroke of meditation; when thinking the mantra, or when noticing you're off on a thought and coming back to the mantra; or noticing that your just quietly settled in the mindfull state of transcendental consciousness, of no- mantra/no thought. The whole point of meditation is to get beyond thought. If one is to become familiar with the infinite, then what does one focus on? What object can the mind focus on to become infinite? The mind focuses on the mantra, and then let's go. When one let's go completely then awareness arives at the infinite. That may be what happens (or not) but its not the point of TM practice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Or yours. Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just because someone has proposed a different theory about meditation than the one he believes in... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? Nope, Hitler's was right-facing, like this one. That his was backwards is apparently a myth: http://tinyurl.com/c6h7a (Wikipedia article) Not all swastica symbols face the same way, IIRC. That's right, the Theosophic one used in their emblem is left-facing. I know a close associate of Rukmini Devi, a Theosoph credited for the rivival of Indain dance - Bharat Natya, who actually met Hitler in the 30's in Berlin, when both of their cars came to a standstill, on opposite sites of the road in a traffic jam, and she showed him her Swatsika, and shouted at him: Look this one is right, yours is wrong! (I had actually seen this very Swastika she had shown him) There was obviously no reaction from Hitler. If you imagine the arms of the left-facing Swastika to be like little rockets, it would turn clockwise, obviously the auspicious direction. http://images.google.de/images?q=tbn:rLqC2LYfG1OALM:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Theosophyseal.gif But as it is, in India, it is often used both ways. I think the Jains also have it in their emblem, prbl right-facing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
I thought the Nazis reversed the direction, too, but when I compared the swastika in my picture of Guru Dev to that of the Nazi's, the only difference was that the Nazi's rotated theirs 45 degrees. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson mdhutch999@ wrote: The Nazis REVERSED the original swastika, which is a symbol representing life, the Nazis reversed it's direction... I don't think they did reverse it, Hitler thought the 3rd reich would last forever so it was chosen as a symbol of eternity, which is how scholars interpreted it, not realising it was actually a symbol of the dual nature of reality. Stillness at the centre giving rise to dynamism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the students in the hall are black belts in some form of martial arts: A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues... :-) :-) :-) Different strokes for different folks... Or else he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's more to a swastika, more generally a yantra, than it being a symbol, icon or associative representation. Sadgurus come from time to time to refresh the siddha of yantras, including the swastika. It is an occult machine, not just a 'symbol', crest or trademark. The swastika very well be an occult machine. It may also function as a designer logo for tennis wear. My analysis does not address aesthetic function, rather its cultural appropriation and use - particularly the attendant meanings gathered during its most recent bastardization. The original post simply recommends a more commonsense sensitivity to current and accepted meaning. Suggesting thereÕs more to a swastika only underscores the fact that multiple meanings are not only possible but inevitable. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sexy Sadie Story
Maybe Ramtha himself can tell something about Maharishi. If Ramtha's GrandMother could come up with this kind of story, I wonder what Ramtha would cook up.? anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:09:14 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Sexy Sadie StoryThe other account I got at a Ramtha retreat from a woman I came toknow. (She sat next to me for the whole event and was my partner forpsychic exercises.) This is a woman who is high-up in the Ramthamovement. Ramtha calls her "Old Woman" because he says she was like his grandmother in another life. When I mentioned I used to do TM, this woman said, "Oh! Maharishi!What a sweetie! I just love him!" I assumed she had done TM, but shesaid t hat was not the case. She said she went to one talk that hegave in the early days, the days before all the crowds. He kept looking at her during the lecture and afterwards asked her to stay behind. When everyone had left, he said, "Who are you?" She told him her nameand where she was from. He said, "I mean, who ARE you?" and she didn't know how to respond to that. Then he invited her to come to his room. When they were there, they talked a little, and when she got ready togo, she stood up and gave him a friendly hug. (This woman is a huggerand not the type to be in awe of anybody.) Maharishi reacted with surprise, then hurried to the door and lockedit. He turned around and said with agitation, "You must never tellanyone you touched me!" Then he asked her to massage him, which she, being the huggy-touchy-feely type, obliged him by doing. She wasn't interested in him sexually. She saw him as just this cute little man. But when she was rubbing his back, she says he started shaking andquivering all over. She realized at that point something sexual wasgoing on for him and beat a hasty retreat. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Just joined the group and am happy to contribute this little bit. I think this fellow has already got the lead on this issue.. :) http://www.manwoman.net/ Cheers. I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... So, let me ask you again: do you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the students in the hall are black belts in some form of martial arts: A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues... :-) :-) :-) Different strokes for different folks... Or else he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) criticizing his chosen spiritual path? :-) :-) :-) Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean- spirited it may be. :-) This would seem to be the difference between you and me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. On the whole, I'd rather be me than you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore it to its original significance. I don't think he should be accorded the power to have appropriated it to his evil purposes permanently. ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the responsibility to bring the swaztika to its original significance? I don't believe I said anything to that effect, Shemp. Did you imagine I did? No, and that's why I asked you whether you think that it was so...if you had SAID it, I wouldn't have had to ask you whether you THOUGHT it, would I, because it would be right there in black and white for all to read? Shemp, the way you phrased your question indicated you *assumed* that's what I was thinking. It wasn't a request for information. I'm just pointing out that nothing in what I said suggested what you assumed. Further, it was a *rhetorical* question that implied what you think the right answer should be, and that the right answer was *not* what I was thinking. I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... You asked whether I really thought this--and reiterated the really. The implication was that you assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. Start over again and ask me *without* that implied assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: se he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on Rama. Neither was that the intention. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack against you, Neither. I just brought his seeming superior reaction back to perspective. I thought it's funny how you could bring this up. No intention to hurt you there. The positioning of him by you in this situation is macabre in itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: se he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on Rama. Neither was that the intention. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack against you, Neither. I just brought his seeming superior reaction back to perspective. I thought it's funny how you could bring this up. No intention to hurt you there. The positioning of him by you in this situation is macabre in itself. And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against the other, like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than your fathers'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace Rally on Square Sunday March 19 Noon-1pm Jimmy Moore Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Especially now, with nearly 70% opposed to Bush, the Demos are keeping their mouths firmly shut with regard to any opposition. Wimps. Right on. I'm disgusted with the lot of them. So, obviously is that wonderful wordsmith from Texas, Molly Ivins: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0310-20.htm *** What's the point of voicing opposition, when the news clearly shows how stupid the justification and execution of this war is? You can fool all of the people some of the time (think of the day when Bush had 90% approval http://ask.yahoo.com/20051011.html ), but those days are over, and it's not necessary to say much of anything when any fool can read the paper and see how Bush's sorry thinking has created a problem with no solution. Since we have a free press, it's not really necessary for pols to say anything... Just for the record, the 90 percent approval rating was not with regard to the invasion of Iraq; that issue hadn't yet come up (at least not publicly). At that point the only issue was getting al Qaeda for the 9/11 attacks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: se he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on Rama. Neither was that the intention. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack against you, Neither. I just brought his seeming superior reaction back to perspective. I thought it's funny how you could bring this up. No intention to hurt you there. The positioning of him by you in this situation is macabre in itself. This is a man in SERIOUS denial about his own actions. First, look at the section of my reply he deleted and pretended never existed: And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) criticizing his chosen spiritual path? :-) :-) :-) Second, did you miss the fact that my quote regarding Rama was a JOKE, appended to another JOKE? And that the whole quote was MADE UP, just to point out the differences between spiritual groups? Face it, dude. You were just pissed off to see the name of a teacher you not only don't respect but actively dislike appear on this forum, and you lashed out. When I've said things about bhakti, things you got all whiny about, they weren't attacking any particular teacher, or anyone's beliefs about a teacher; they were intellectual questions about the implications of bhakti itself. *You* reacted to them as if I'd shit in your punchbowl, and tried your best to portray me here as a bad guy. Now when you -- rather gratuitously, I might add -- choose to actually go out of your way to trash a spiritual teacher who was referenced as part of a JOKE, ferchrissakes, it's somehow OK and you meant no harm. Get a grip, dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Nazis REVERSED the original swastika, which is a symbol representing life, the Nazis reversed it's direction... Nope, they didn't. Look at the photo, then look at a Nazi swastika--both are right-facing. Originally (and to this day in the East) there are both right- and left-facing swastikas, depending on the context. The Wikipedia entry on the swastika notes that some Buddhists used only the left-facing swastika after 1940 because of the Nazi connotations of the right- facing version, which may be the source of the myth that the Nazis reversed it. I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:00 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm familiar with it in the context of the TM-Sidhis. Where is this official movement translation of the term to be found in the context of plain-vanilla TM? Steadiness is a popular TMer word for dharana. Vaj, you're blowing it out your nether regions. Hey it's Mahesh's trans., not mine, take it up with his nether regions! Absolute bliss being always there, the experience of happiness thus depends upon the degree of steadiness of mind. -MMY More focus of mind might just make you happier Judy. Try it! Is this a translation of a Sanskrit phrase where steadiness of mind means dharana? It isn't even a translation; it's from MMY's commentary on the Gita II:66, as Bob noted. The term dharana occurs nowhere in the verse he's commenting on. And in this specific sentence, in context, MMY isn't referring to meditation but the *fruit* of meditation in activity. Note that to start with, Vaj had claimed that focus was the official movement translation of dharana. When I asked where this official translation was to be found, he switched to claiming steadiness was the term TMers used for dharana. When I said this was nonsense, he produces a quote, apparently intending to suggest he is documenting the use of steadiness as a translation of dharana, when it isn't a translation to begin with and doesn't even refer to meditation. And he's accusing me of lacking focus of mind? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against the other, like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than your fathers'. Boy, are you hanging out on the wrong Yahoo group! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In any style of meditation where you have an object of focus Which excludes TM, since TM doesn't involve focusing. In terms of process, it is the point you return to irregardless. Focus here being an english trans. of the Sanskrit dharana or focus of attention in the official movement translation of the word. Since you claimed to be familiar with TM, I assumed you would be conversant in their language. Apparently that is not the case. But, what mantra do you return to? You don't have to be so TM-centric and bigoted, man. Many techniques of meditation don't even *use* a mantra. But you still come back to something. I'm aware that many techniques don't use a mantra. I was referring to the assumption that one knows what one's mantra is in the first placein the sense that most people would think of knowing. As like as not, my mantra is often a vague hum that is only identifiable as my mantra because its the most convenient label handy for whatever it is. IMO it isn't the mantra per se that enables TM to work; it's the coming back to, the element of focus (even if it's soft focus, as in TM). The choice of TM mantras was come to by trial and error, and changed radically during MMY's early years. You can find them in many books, and chances are that's where Maharishi found them. There is nothing partic- ularly magical about them. IMO, its the *process* that enables TM to work. In other words, you responded to Vaj's point with a non-sequitur intended to dismiss it and suggest that TM is best. Again. And again, you're better than that. In other words, you responded to MYpoint with a non-sequitur designed to prove that you and Vaj are correct and I am wrong. Just my two centimes...I'm just trying to suggest that there is room for people to believe different things about meditation and how it works. Chances are that *none* of them are correct. Acting as if one is correct and all others are incorrect seems to me a great way to develop a lot of negative karma, not to evolve. Whatever. We were talking about the ole Transcendental Meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Vaj and you both indicate that you have not only different beliefs about what makes TM work, but different beliefs about what TM *IS* in the first place. Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. snip to Insomuch as TM involves awareness, then you can say its mindfulness. Beyond that, depends on the definition of mindfulness. Correct. Earlier, I used a more limited definition of mindfulness; but as Vaj and others here seem to be using it, it's a term that applies to the application of selective attention, period. As such, I would have to agree that most forms of meditation, including TM, fall into that category. ONly within the most vague and open-ended definition of selective attention. As I pointed out, a perfectly valid TM session could involve thinking the mantra once and being distracted by internal/external phenomena for the next 20 minutes. You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that response suggests. I don't think Vaj ever suggested that sitting lost in thought wasn't valid. As I read what he said, he's suggesting that IN HIS OPINION it isn't particularly *effective*. I would agree. That doesn't mean that we didn't understand or get the TM dogma that surrounds this issue, merely that we don't buy it. Fair enough, but *I* buyit becuase it DOES seem to work quite effectively for little ole ADHD me. There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that they didn't hear and understand the same things you did when you were listening to the TM teachers who were parroting what they were told to say. It just means that the other person has chosen not to take what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you or your own opinions unless you allow it to. Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value judgements to one particular experience over another, you're no longer practicing TM. My point with Judy as well... Except that I wasn't making value judgments, as I've already pointed out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:13 AM, authfriend wrote: Note that to start with, Vaj had claimed that focus was the official movement translation of dharana. When I asked where this official translation was to be found, he switched to claiming steadiness was the term TMers used for dharana. When I said this was nonsense, he produces a quote, apparently intending to suggest he is documenting the use of steadiness as a translation of dharana, when it isn't a translation to begin with and doesn't even refer to meditation. No, merely commenting on your belief that the word steadiness was not used in connection with tm/tmers. He may or may not be referring to dharana in this instance--I don't really care--it certainly fits experientially for those familiar with this state of steadiness and inner focus. However he clearly uses that word in his own translation of the yoga-sutra of Patanjali as a description of dharana. It is actually helpful if you can trace such movement buzzwords to their original Sanskrit, as it can tell you a lot more, esp. since they are often used in rather nebulous ways. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against the other, like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than your fathers'. Boy, are you hanging out on the wrong Yahoo group! For the record, female students I knew in the Rama trip who were...uh...in a position to know were consistent in their description of Rama's depth of knowledge as pretty average. So if anyone out there is convinced that their guru's dick was bigger than mine's was, they win. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that would be the most sensible action for all of the above. Also, those terrorist bandits would have a hard time getting on courses for a long time. Unless they became millionaires. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR move. Kind of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. No, it's not kind of like it; it's worse. At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of PR impact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Or yours. Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just because someone has proposed a different theory about meditation than the one he believes in... :-) Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is construed as a sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sexy Sadie Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Ramtha himself can tell something about Maharishi. If Ramtha's GrandMother could come up with this kind of story, I wonder what Ramtha would cook up.? Yeah, I missed the Ramtha association. Of course, what the bleep do *I* know? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Or yours. Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just because someone has proposed a different theory about meditation than the one he believes in... :-) Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is construed as a sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. I've heard that insomnia is often a side effect of lack of focus in meditation. Joke, dude. Joke. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the students in the hall are black belts in some form of martial arts: A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues... :-) :-) :-) Different strokes for different folks... Or else he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) criticizing his chosen spiritual path? :-) :-) :-) Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean- spirited it may be. :-) This would seem to be the difference between you and me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. On the whole, I'd rather be me than you. Methinks you doth protest too much... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:00 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm familiar with it in the context of the TM-Sidhis. Where is this official movement translation of the term to be found in the context of plain-vanilla TM? Steadiness is a popular TMer word for dharana. Vaj, you're blowing it out your nether regions. Hey it's Mahesh's trans., not mine, take it up with his nether regions! Absolute bliss being always there, the experience of happiness thus depends upon the degree of steadiness of mind. -MMY More focus of mind might just make you happier Judy. Try it! Is this a translation of a Sanskrit phrase where steadiness of mind means dharana? It isn't even a translation; it's from MMY's commentary on the Gita II:66, as Bob noted. The term dharana occurs nowhere in the verse he's commenting on. And in this specific sentence, in context, MMY isn't referring to meditation but the *fruit* of meditation in activity. Note that to start with, Vaj had claimed that focus was the official movement translation of dharana. When I asked where this official translation was to be found, he switched to claiming steadiness was the term TMers used for dharana. When I said this was nonsense, he produces a quote, apparently intending to suggest he is documenting the use of steadiness as a translation of dharana, when it isn't a translation to begin with and doesn't even refer to meditation. And he's accusing me of lacking focus of mind? Gotcha (now what were we talking about?*) *ADHD reference goes here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Or yours. Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just because someone has proposed a different theory about meditation than the one he believes in... :-) Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is construed as a sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. I've heard that insomnia is often a side effect of lack of focus in meditation. Joke, dude. Joke. ;-) Actually, in Tm terms, it might be the other way around: lack of proper sleep can lead to dullness in meditation... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] He may or may not be referring to dharana in this instance--I don't really care--it certainly fits experientially for those familiar with this state of steadiness and inner focus. However he clearly uses that word in his own translation of the yoga-sutra of Patanjali as a description of dharana. Where does he do this? It is actually helpful if you can trace such movement buzzwords to their original Sanskrit, as it can tell you a lot more, esp. since they are often used in rather nebulous ways. Perhaps it can, but again, where does he use steadiness of mind when translating dharana? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the students in the hall are black belts in some form of martial arts: A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues... :-) :-) :-) Different strokes for different folks... Or else he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) criticizing his chosen spiritual path? :-) :-) :-) Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean- spirited it may be. :-) This would seem to be the difference between you and me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. On the whole, I'd rather be me than you. Methinks you doth protest too much... Only to the hypocrisy of t3rinity's posts, not to the slam on Rama. You think Maharishi gets criticized? You don't know the half of it. :-) I may still love the dude, *despite* all the nasty things he did to me personally and many of my fellow students, but it's really neither my job nor my interest to defend him or say only pleasant things about him. Check out my recent comment about Mr. Can't Keep His Dick In His Pants' depth of knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Huh, but one can have the outward stroke for the full 20 minutes of TM practice and still be practicing TM absolutely correctly. Good luck with that! So Judy and I have been correct: you really never learned TM, regardless of what classes/courses you took on the subject. So you believe that to have learned TM properly, you have to believe all the *dogma* about TM that was taught to you? That's what you're saying, in effect. What you've just said isn't about the mechanics of TM, but about what you were told in the lectures *about* TM. It's THEORY. Vaj has a *different* theory, based on his subsequent experience. I think that in the biz, that's known as an OPINION. :-) Theoretical or not, I was taught that that particular experience during TM practice was just as valid as any other. Vaj was implying (and later clarified) that its not a good experience. Or possibly not the most effective experience. Yes, he did. And that is his OPINION, based on experience with TM and with other techniques, and with a wide range of teachings. Him believing that does NOT imply that he really never learned TM. Do you GET this, man? He could have learned exactly as you did, believed it for years, and then *changed his mind*, coming to a different conclusion, right? Two different issues are getting confused here: (1) what TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi involves, and (2) to what degree TMATBMMY is effective. When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson and I were disputing that claim. Vaj said: I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM: What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- distraction. In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global conditioned 'familiarity' is with the mantra and non-distraction would refer to the vyuttana or outward, distracted tendency of the outward stroke. Since this so precisely and accurately applies, what else need be said? Vaj *appeared* to be saying here that TMATBMMY required mindfulness, in the sense of exerting effort not to forget the mantra, suggesting this so obviously applies to TMATBMMY that nothing else need be said. At this point Lawson noted that according to TMATBMMY, it was perfectly OK to be lost in thought throughout the TM session--in other words, that mindfulness does *not* apply to TMATBMMY. Vaj's Good luck with that response either (A) meant that being lost in thought was *not* OK per TMATBMMY, or (B) that practicing TMATBMMY was not going to produce results as good as those from a technique involving mindfulness. (A) would simply be incorrect; (B) would be a non sequitur, or at best a change of subject, a different issue entirely from that of whether TMATBMMY involves effort. (B) would *also* appear to be an admission on Vaj's part that his mindfulness quote does *not* apply to TMATBMMY, completely contrary to his earlier assertion that the quote precisely and accurately applies. In saying Vaj never learned TM properly, Lawson was assuming Vaj meant (A), not (B). *You*, Barry, are assuming that Lawson understood Vaj to be saying (B) and are chastising him for insisting that TM dogma is *correct*, when he was merely pointing out what TM dogma IS. You make this mistake ALL THE TIME. Are you so weak in your *own* practice that you have to suggest that anyone who doesn't believe the same dogma you believe is doing TM wrong? What dogma? The dogma that says that any ole experience during TM practice is as good as any other? YES!!! That is dogma. You were TAUGHT this. WE, as TM teachers, taught it to you. It isn't necessarily Truth, with a capital 'T.' It's just what we were taught to say. I believed it at the time, when I said it. I no longer do. That doesn't mean that I really never learned TM. Do you GET this distinction? It might well mean you never learned TMATBMMY properly. It might well mean you believed the dogma, but because you weren't *experiencing* effortlessness, not having quite gotten the knack of it, you later decided the dogma that TM is effortless was wrong. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-light-emitting TMers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to LESS enlightenment since TMers showed significantly fewer spontaneous emmissions of photons from their skin than non-TMers in this newly published study: They ought to rerun this study on a blinded basis, i.e., see if blinded researchers can distinguish the TM subjects from the controls simply on the basis of the amount of emissions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] St. Bernadette
http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that would be the most sensible action for all of the above. Also, those terrorist bandits would have a hard time getting on courses for a long time. Unless they became millionaires. ROFLOL, that was the best one! You know I really thought once, that this may have been his way to keep CIA (in the paranoia of it) out of positions, because, would the Government spend really that much money to infiltrate the movement? Prolly not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that they didn't hear and understand the same things you did when you were listening to the TM teachers who were parroting what they were told to say. It just means that the other person has chosen not to take what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you or your own opinions unless you allow it to. Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value judgements to one particular experience over another, you're no longer practicing TM. NOT NECESSARILY. Yes, NECESSARILY. TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi does not involve assigning value judgments to one particular experience over another. Vaj, as far as I know, DOES NOT PRACTICE TM. Neither do I. What we believe about meditation and what makes a meditation session effective doesn't affect TM in the slightest. Non sequitur/straw man, as is the rest of your rant. Nobody suggested that what you and Vaj believe affects TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: St. Bernadette
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. I saw Mary Magdalene's skull in a cathedral in the south of France. By comparison, Mary's definitely looked better than she does now. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value judgements to one set of experiences over another, you're no longer practicing TM. Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) Non sequitur/straw man. *If* one assigns value judgments to one set of experiences over another, one is no longer practicing TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR move. Kind of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. No, it's not kind of like it; it's worse. At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of PR impact. In Germany, there is no question of it, it is simply forbidden by law to display it. In India I see it everywhere, on every shop etc.Its supposed to be a luck bringing symbol, the way it is painted. I personally think it should not be tabood. Maharishi is Indian, the movement has strong Indian undercurrents, why make it a big issue? It just depends on the context it appears in. If you make sure it's meaning not mistaken, if it is clear that a Nazi association is not implied, what's wrong then. I'm sure that there are indian Ammaji publications which also contain the Swastika. Its just so much in use in India. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-light-emitting TMers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to LESS enlightenment since TMers showed significantly fewer spontaneous emmissions of photons from their skin than non-TMers in this newly published study: They ought to rerun this study on a blinded basis, i.e., see if blinded researchers can distinguish the TM subjects from the controls simply on the basis of the amount of emissions. I think the emissions records would have to be output in braille forthis to work. Besides, it was a very dark room anyway, so being blind or not shouldn't have mattered... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an effective meditation session. that *theory* just happens to be the same one that was TOLD to you by your TM teachers. Vaj has a different theory. You tried to imply that this means he never really learned TM. You really *don't* GET this, do you? I don't think YOU get it: when a technique is meant to be easy, innocent, etc., theories that portray one set of experiences as being better than another set, detract from the *innocence* of the technique. ONLY if one ACTS on those theories. Otherwise, they're just theories. Your position seems to be that a person who believes as we do has NO CHOICE but to act on them. It would be virtually impossible not to act on them, i.e., to exert some subtle effort to have *this* experience rather than *that* experience during meditation. In fact, you would have to exert effort *not* to exert effort. And your further theory seems to be that a TMer *has* to believe all the dogma and theory that was taught to them about TM to be really practicing TM. They don't. To practice TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, you have to follow the instructions given by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, one of which is not to value one experience over another. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, did you miss the fact that my quote regarding Rama was a JOKE, appended to another JOKE? Why did you get so serious about it then? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip They don't have to accept ANY dogma about TM, but if they start assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over another, then by definition, they are no longer practicing TM. ONLY if they act on it. Assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over another *IS* acting on it. Assigning is an action, dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: St. Bernadette
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. There are people who don't look as good when 122, but are still more alive. There are even many who don't look as good when they are 20. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Or yours. Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just because someone has proposed a different theory about meditation than the one he believes in... :-) Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is construed as a sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. This discussion is making *me* sleepy, and it's 11:50 in the morning... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson and I were disputing that claim. Vaj said: I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM: What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- distraction. In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global conditioned 'familiarity' is with the mantra and non-distraction would refer to the vyuttana or outward, distracted tendency of the outward stroke. Since this so precisely and accurately applies, what else need be said? One gains mindfulness through the practice of TM. One gains non-forgetfulness through the practice of TM. Experiencing subltle states of the mantra, requires the letting go of effort. We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the intention to think the mantra is enough. We never have to think the mantra 'clearly'. The whole practice of TM is to develope mindfulness of the whole process, inward stroke and refining of the mantra, outward stroke- realizing we're off on a thought and just the intention of coming back to the mantra. And the experience of no mantra/no thought- non- forgetfulness of pure consciousness or the Light of God, a term Maharishi has been using lately, harmonizing with the Christian teaching of the Kingdom of Heaven Within. Also, the sychrony of brain function, left and right hemispheres, becoming in sync, provides the whole brain functioning that produces the experience of mindfulness, the experience of non-forgetfullness... Eckart Tolle mentions some simple techniques in his writings also; He says just being aware the energy flowing through the body, or just being aware of the breath- he says the whole point is to bring the attention away from the mind- to just innocently watch the breath- how it just goes by itself, or to just feel the energy in the body. Feeling the body is also an instruction of Maharishi's, when there is an overpowering thought, and it's difficult to think the mantra effortlessly; and that allowing the attention to be drawn to an area of the body which seems to be the source of the tension of release, can facilitate the release of the unwinding of the physical area or emotion held there... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore it to its original significance. I don't think he should be accorded the power to have appropriated it to his evil purposes permanently. ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the responsibility to bring the swaztika to its original significance? I don't believe I said anything to that effect, Shemp. Did you imagine I did? No, and that's why I asked you whether you think that it was so...if you had SAID it, I wouldn't have had to ask you whether you THOUGHT it, would I, because it would be right there in black and white for all to read? Shemp, the way you phrased your question indicated you *assumed* that's what I was thinking. It wasn't a request for information. I'm just pointing out that nothing in what I said suggested what you assumed. Further, it was a *rhetorical* question that implied what you think the right answer should be, and that the right answer was *not* what I was thinking. I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... You asked whether I really thought this--and reiterated the really. The implication was that you assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. Start over again and ask me *without* that implied assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR move. Kind of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. No, it's not kind of like it; it's worse. At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of PR impact. In Germany, there is no question of it, it is simply forbidden by law to display it. In India I see it everywhere, on every shop etc.Its supposed to be a luck bringing symbol, the way it is painted. I personally think it should not be tabood. Maharishi is Indian, the movement has strong Indian undercurrents, why make it a big issue? It just depends on the context it appears in. If you make sure it's meaning not mistaken, if it is clear that a Nazi association is not implied, what's wrong then. I'm sure that there are indian Ammaji publications which also contain the Swastika. Its just so much in use in India. It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. As does Damn democracy and Britain is Scorpionland. They're just showing *consistent* sensitivity. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... You asked whether I really thought this--and reiterated the really. The implication was that you assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. Start over again and ask me *without* that implied assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending you a message about the quality of your attempts at foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. It hasn't been incorporated into the TM Loga yet, I suppose. Part of the TMO's message is universal, but another part has a strong Indian appeal (doing yagyas etc) The use of religious symbols as the swastika is just in the same category. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. You are right, one should be sensitive in certain areas, you CAN'T have it displayed in Germany, I certainly would not have it displayed publicly in Israel. But I am against banning it per se. Check out, there are Jains worldwide, they all have the swastika on their Logo on every publication. The Theosophs have it as well, long before Hitler, and left-facing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. As does Damn democracy and Britain is Scorpionland. They're just showing *consistent* sensitivity. :-) I actually think it's a conspiracy on the part of the American Chiropractors Association. All of these incidents and declarations coming out of the TMO cause so much head-shaking and eye-rolling that it's causing a lot of kinks and soreness that is keeping their waiting rooms full. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... You asked whether I really thought this--and reiterated the really. The implication was that you assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. Start over again and ask me *without* that implied assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending you a message about the quality of your attempts at foreplay? What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika On 3/16/06, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurkshempmcgurk@ wrote:snip I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... You asked whether I really thought this--and reiterated the really.The implication was that you assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. Start over again and ask me *without* that implied assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone...Does it ever occur to you that she might be sendingyou a message about the quality of your attempts atforeplay? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the intention to think the mantra is enough. We never have to think the mantra 'clearly'. For the record, my experience is that the realization that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; there's no intervening intention to think it. IOW you are NOT DOING it - you realize it's just HAPPENING BY ITSELF, once you have started. The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by itself. That, I suppose is your experience - spontaneaus meditation, just happening by itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of the shows. One male character is standing at a urinal, looking down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of a second male character, who is standing beside him. Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- ential, the first guy says to the second, Well...it's not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women say about men's penises? The second guy says, Ouch? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healinghttp://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM~- To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Flourishingly,Dharma MitraDharmaMitra2 AT gmail.comHelping you Say It With Panache!Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey,and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
on 3/16/06 12:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. Vlodrop is not far from the German border. It was occupied by the Nazis during WWII and the big building there was used as some sort of troop quarters or storage building. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Thanks DM. I found this interesting: from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction -- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed (motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' the currents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi party was actually a swavastika (or sauvastika). http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Reading the posts that the links came with will clarify which direction is the most auspicious for those who take spiritual science literally and act upon and with the yantra. Petty flauntulosis is at the shallow end of a muudy pool, cessantly. On 3/16/06, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks DM. I found this interesting:from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which issimilar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross tothe right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction-- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed(motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' thecurrents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi partywas actually a swavastika (or sauvastika). http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifyinginformation for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of some.Here are some links shared in this thread, again: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: [I wrote:] When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson and I were disputing that claim. Vaj said: I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how appropriate the description is in regards to manasika- japa/TM: What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- distraction. In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global conditioned 'familiarity' is with the mantra and non- distraction would refer to the vyuttana or outward, distracted tendency of the outward stroke. Since this so precisely and accurately applies, what else need be said? One gains mindfulness through the practice of TM. One gains non-forgetfulness through the practice of TM. Exactly. In the context of TM, the quote would apply as a DEscription, not a PREscription. Experiencing subltle states of the mantra, requires the letting go of effort. However, this should not be understood to mean that we make an effort to let go! We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the intention to think the mantra is enough. We never have to think the mantra 'clearly'. For the record, my experience is that the realization that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; there's no intervening intention to think it. My own belief is that this is ALWAYS the case, but we may not be aware of it, at least at first, due to our inexperience with subtler states of the thinking process. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Dude, this sounds like a personal problem... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the intention to think the mantra is enough. We never have to think the mantra 'clearly'. For the record, my experience is that the realization that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; there's no intervening intention to think it. IOW you are NOT DOING it - you realize it's just HAPPENING BY ITSELF, once you have started. The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by itself. That, I suppose is your experience - spontaneaus meditation, just happening by itself. Philisophical point: is it possible for someone in CC to practice anything OTHER THAN Transcendental Meditation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) Not always... On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Having trouble in that area are you, Shemp? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of the shows. One male character is standing at a urinal, looking down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of a second male character, who is standing beside him. Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- ential, the first guy says to the second, Well...it's not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women say about men's penises? The second guy says, Ouch? :-) Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple takes with them... Ouch is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of the shows. One male character is standing at a urinal, looking down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of a second male character, who is standing beside him. Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- ential, the first guy says to the second, Well...it's not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women say about men's penises? The second guy says, Ouch? :-) I like the one about the guy who picks a woman up at a bar, brings her home, and starts to seduce her. He takes her clothes off and she then proceeds to take his clothes off. At the point where she takes his underpants off, she looks down at his member and says: Who do you think you're going to satisfy with that little thing? And he says: Me! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of the shows. One male character is standing at a urinal, looking down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of a second male character, who is standing beside him. Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- ential, the first guy says to the second, Well...it's not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women say about men's penises? The second guy says, Ouch? :-) Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple takes with them... Ouch is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. In Amsterdam I saw a postcard of a fellow who had a *knot* tied in his. Really. No fake photography. Forget the women saying Ouch...if this fellow ever got an erection, would he have enough blood left in his body to support brain functions and stay conscious? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) Not always... Yeah...that's what all guys believe... :-) On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of the shows. One male character is standing at a urinal, looking down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of a second male character, who is standing beside him. Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- ential, the first guy says to the second, Well...it's not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women say about men's penises? The second guy says, Ouch? :-) Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple takes with them... Ouch is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. In Amsterdam I saw a postcard of a fellow who had a *knot* tied in his. Really. No fake photography. Forget the women saying Ouch...if this fellow ever got an erection, would he have enough blood left in his body to support brain functions and stay conscious? :-) Women can handle any *length* since the guy isn't *required* to get close to her (John Holmes had that problem to some extent)-- it's the girth that becomes an issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philisophical point: is it possible for someone in CC to practice anything OTHER THAN Transcendental Meditation? Completely depends on your definition of TM: If you define TM from the result, i.e. transcending, then he is doing it. If you define it from the POV of spontaneity, that is, all meditation that is completely spontaneaus is TM, then he is doing it all the time. If you define it from its technicalites, like using a specific Mantra etc, doing it 20 min twice a day, he's probably not doing it most of the time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... You asked whether I really thought this--and reiterated the really. The implication was that you assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. Start over again and ask me *without* that implied assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending you a message about the quality of your attempts at foreplay? What's foreplay? guffaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the intention to think the mantra is enough. We never have to think the mantra 'clearly'. For the record, my experience is that the realization that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; there's no intervening intention to think it. IOW you are NOT DOING it - you realize it's just HAPPENING BY ITSELF, once you have started. The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by itself. That, I suppose is your experience - spontaneaus meditation, just happening by itself. Yup. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks DM. I found this interesting: from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction -- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed (motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' the currents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi party was actually a swavastika (or sauvastika). http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm The name sauwastika is sometimes given for the supposedly evil, left-facing, form of the swastika ( d). A common myth is that the left-facing swastika is generally regarded as evil in Hindu tradition. This is because the much more common form in India is the right-facing swastika. Indians of all faiths sometimes use the symbol in both orientations - mostly for symmetry. Buddhists (outside India) generally use the left-facing swastika over the right-facing swastika although, again, both can be used. Despite this, the misconception that the left-facing swastika is evil is widespread, even among some contemporary Indian communities. Some contemporary writers ¡ª Servando Gonz¨¢lez, for example ¡ª confuse matters even further by asserting that the right-facing swastika, used by the Nazis is in fact the evil sauwastika.[9] (Gonz¨¢lez proves that the left-facing swastika is the sunwise one with reference to a 1930's box of Standard fireworks from Sivakasi, India.) This inversion ¨C whether intentional or not ¨C might derive from a desire to prove that the Nazi's use of the right-handed swastika was expressive of their evil intent. (See also Taboo in Western countries.) But the notion that Adolf Hitler deliberately inverted the good left-facing swastika is wholly unsupported by any historical evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.h tm http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
