[FairfieldLife] Re: http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/ Greeting cards - 3 models $24.00 , $15.00 and $12.00 ea. They play melodies. I'm sure they provide income for the poor. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal edict? http://www.bhagavandharma.org/ It's all the rage in certain TMO circles, such as FF. The TMO National Leader of Holland has become a Diksha dude, an awkward situation since he is Maharishi's host. Just goes to show you that unstressing can happen to anyone. Funny, I was thinking that it shows that anyone can still have an open mind, even after decades of training it to be closed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, What is your definition of insanity.?? It would be complex, because insanity is a complex subject, but I'm pretty sure that one aspect of it would include people who give themselves the titles of kings and expect others to honor those titles. It would also include those stupid enough *to* honor these self-given titles. :-) Second, it may not be sane, but you cannot ignore the teachings completely. That would be like throwing the baby along with the bathwater. Some babies deserve to be thrown out. I'm with Shemp on this one -- the *only* teaching I think was *ever* of worth in the TM movement was how to do basic TM. I think that's a good start for almost anyone, and thus potentially valuable. I think that everything else, including the siddhis and the diet advice and all the Vedic bullshit, is better thrown out. Third, A little bit of Snake-Oil might be necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement. Who said a big movement was necessary? It has turned into an entity mostly concerned with continuing itself, not with helping others. Also, anyone who can actually *justify* snake oil (that is, lying) to further a goal they think is worthy has already lost his soul. Fourth, Take what is good in all the masters and leave out the irrelevant and the unnecessary. There have never been any masters in history, only people who longed to be subservient and thus picked someone to be subservient to so that they could call them master. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:11:01 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp] And you believe this is sane? - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/6/06 4:14:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal edict? Diksha is what the TMO does to you if they think you're messing with another guru. Now that's funny! :-) And so true. Have you ever *seen* a more insecure and jealous bunch of twits? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need anything else... Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that. No, it's probably because YOU were taught that... So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the one who keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're saying is that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten. ...and believed it and therefore think that all other TMers must think the way you Not at all Shemp. When you see where the road stopped and see the methods continue, it's pretty darn obvious. The issue, as I see it, is that the TM approach to spiritual development *IS* seriously limited, and in my opinion deals with primarily elementary school aspects of the enlightenment process. Knowing this, and knowing that he didn't really have anything to offer *other* than elementary school topics, Maharishi has since pretty much Day One endeavored to make people comfortable with staying in elementary school forever. First, he made it off the program to read books from other traditions or see other teachers. This is smart because if you never know that there is more out there than the TM movement offers, you'll never miss it. Second, Maharishi created a *very* strong TM is the best and *all* other techniques and traditions are lesser mindset in his students. You see it here *EVERY DAY*, whether it manifests itself as the pure bigotry of a Bob Brigante or just the ignorance of TMers who are just believin' what they were told. This mindset contributes to people being complacent about what they are taught by the TM movement and accepting of it as all that *needs* to be taught. They think, *Because* all other techniques and traditions are lesser than TM, what could they possibly have to teach me? They have so thoroughly accepted the TM is best bullshit that it has become a set of blinders for them, keeping them from even *noticing* that there are huge aspects of the spiritual process that TM doesn't even touch on in its teachings. Third, Maharishi created an Inquisition-like arm of the TM movement, whose job it is to come down on those for which the first two techniques don't work, and who *were* curious enough to study other traditions. When that happens, the first step is usually a proclamation, declaring that IT'S NOT TM and will not be countenanced. (Similar to the recent proclamation about diksha.) The next step after that is to excommunicate anyone who still persists in this off the program activity. At the end of the process, you have gotten rid of any- one who had the first-hand experience of having learned things of value that the TM movement doesn't teach (or in many cases, even know about), *and* you have created an example for the remaining students of *what happens to them* if they *dare* to learn anything but the elementary school stuff fed to them by the TMO. It's a pretty fascinating cycle to watch, even after all these years. The only thing I can really feel about it all is compassion for those who have submitted to this stuff, and even more compassion for those who claim it wasn't done to them, and that they became the TM bigots they are all on their own. I mean, compassion IS in order; there are a lot of smart people on the TM internet forums who really could have done something with their spiritual aspirations. But instead they *settled* for repeating elementary school over and over and over, in some cases for thirty years or more. And now they spend their days lashing out at anyone who suggests *that* they settled for elementary school. It's really a mindstate to be pitied, not reacted to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, What is your definition of insanity.?? It would be complex, because insanity is a complex subject, but I'm pretty sure that one aspect of it would include defining as insane people who give themselves the titles of kings and expect others to honor those titles. It would also include those stupid enough *to* honor these self-given titles. :-) Second, it may not be sane, but you cannot ignore the teachings completely. That would be like throwing the baby along with the bathwater. Some babies deserve to be thrown out. I'm with Shemp on this one -- the *only* teaching I think was *ever* of worth in the TM movement was how to do basic TM. I think that's a good start for almost anyone, and thus potentially valuable. I think that everything else, including the siddhis and the diet advice and all the Vedic bullshit, is better thrown out. Third, A little bit of Snake-Oil might be necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement. Who said a big movement was necessary? That's the question that True Believers never seem to ask them- selves. Many spiritual organizations (for example, Vipassana) have entirely volunteer organizations that teach for free and end up teaching ten to twenty times the number of people worldwide to meditate that the TM organization does. In my opinion, the TMO has turned into an entity primarily concerned with perpetuating itself, not with helping others. The goals of the organization are long forgotten; all that matters now is perpetuating the organization. Fourth, Take what is good in all the masters and leave out the irrelevant and the unnecessary. IMO, there have never been any masters in history, only people who longed to be subservient and thus picked someone to be subservient to so that they could call them master. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal edict? http://www.bhagavandharma.org/ It's all the rage in certain TMO circles, such as FF. The TMO National Leader of Holland has become a Diksha dude, an awkward situation since he is Maharishi's host. Just goes to show you that unstressing can happen to anyone. Funny, I was thinking that it shows that anyone can still have an open mind, even after decades of training it to be closed. Let's see, go from working to get a thousand to 100,000 people together to get a measureable effect on the world to believing that some dude on a website will have a measureable effect on you personally. Yep, open-minded, not unstressing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/6/06 4:14:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal edict? Diksha is what the TMO does to you if they think you're messing with another guru. Now that's funny! :-) And so true. Have you ever *seen* a more insecure and jealous bunch of twits? Only the people who score points by attacking them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Or, much better, read: The Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation, by Dalai Lama XIV, Glenn H. Mullin, and Valerie Shepherd. This book lists the historical tests that were performed to verify that the kid named as the rein- carnation of the previous Dalai Lama really was. Unlike the movie version, the tests often went on for a month, five or six such tests per day. Failing *any* of them meant that the kid was not the right one. It's an odd science, but as far as I can tell, a real one. Glenn is an excellent translator, I'll get a copy of this one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: What exactly is Diskha Diksha is a new form of shaktipat a spiritual energy that arouse the kundalini shakti. It is very popular around the world. btw try it is good, very good. and why is it important enough for a papal edict? Because they are paranoid, gurus come and gurus go again and there nothing TMO can do about it anyway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4658
Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who is teaching it. ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques or programs other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and anyone who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi teaches Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to everyoneknowledge of the Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Law, the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for the dawn of a new fortune of all mankind. ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be misled on this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to Maharishi and the Vedic Tradition of Masters.² Maharishi says: Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it with anything. Raja Dr. John Konhaus Station 24, 6063NP Vlodrop, Netherlands E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Www.mvoai.org And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Deity in the Data
human natureThe Deity in the DataWhat the latest prayer study tells us about God.By William SaletanPosted Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 2:37 AM ETBrother, have you heard the bad news?It was supposed to be good news, like the kind in the Bible. After three years, $2.4 million, and 1.7 million prayers, the biggest and best study ever was supposed to show that the prayers of faraway strangers help patients recover after heart surgery. But things didn't go as ordained. Patients who knowingly received prayers developed more post-surgery complications than did patients who unknowingly received prayers—and patients who were prayed for did no better than patients who weren't prayed for. In fact, patients who received prayers without their knowledge ended up with more major complications than did patients who received no prayers at all.If the data had turned out the other way, clerics would be trumpeting the power of prayer on every street corner. Instead, the study's authors and many media outlets are straining to brush off the results. The study "cannot address a large number of religious questions, such as whether God exists, whether God answers intercessory prayers, or whether prayers from one religious group work in the same way as prayers from other groups," the authors shrug.Bull. If these findings involved any other kind of therapy, doctors would spin hypotheses about the underlying mechanisms and why the treatment failed or backfired. And that's exactly what theologians and scientists are doing as they try to explain away the data. They're implicitly sketching possibilities as to what sort of God could account for the results. Here's a list.1. God doesn't exist. This is the simplest explanation, favored by atheists. You pray, but nobody's there, so nothing happens.2. God doesn't intervene. This is the view of self-limiting-deity theorists and of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. God may be there, but He's not doing anything here.3. God is highly selective. The positive effect of prayer on the study's participants "could be smaller than the 10% that our study was powered to detect," the authors suggest. Maybe God heeds prayers, but not enough of them to reach statistical significance.4. God ignores form letters. According to the study's protocol, if you were assigned to pray for patients, the only information you got about them was a daily fax listing their first names and the initials of their surnames. A script told you to pray in each case "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications." This cookie-cutter approach may have "impacted the quality of the prayer," according to a scientific editorial that accompanies the study. Form letters don't impress Congress; why should they impress God?5. God requires a personal reference. "Intercessory prayer makes much more sense in community, in family, [where] we're concerned about the well-being of one another," one of the study's authors argued in a teleconference on the findings. A congressman may care whether your lobbyist knows the congressman, but what God cares about is whether your intercessor knows you.6. God is unmoved by the size of your lobbying team. The authors lament contamination from "background prayer" as though it were radiation. Patients "may have been exposed to a large amount of non-study prayer" from friends and family, they warn, possibly swamping "the effects of prayer provided by the intercessors." Evidently, the 1,000 prayers delivered on your behalf by strangers in this study added no discernible effect to the prayers God heard from people who knew you.7. God ignores third parties. Why should God do what a fax from one stranger tells another stranger to ask for on your behalf? The person God's going to listen to is you—and maybe you want relief or salvation more than life. As one author puts it, "What we have in mind for someone else may not be what they have in mind for themselves."8. God takes His time. Maybe the study didn't follow patients long enough, the authors suggest: "The occurrence of any complication within 30 days of surgery may not be appropriate or relevant to the effects of intercessory prayer." When ordering from Heaven, allow at least one month for shipping.9. God has a backlog. Patients' names were faxed to intercessors "starting the night before each patient's scheduled surgery," according to the protocol. Was that too late?10. God ignores you if you don't pray hard enough. "Maybe the people weren't praying very hard," a monsignor tells the St. Petersburg Times.11. God ignores you if you're wicked. Responding to the findings, a Baptist pastor cites James 5:16: "The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective." No righteousness, no effect.12. God helps those who help themselves. "Many if not most of the wonderful hospitals in this country were built through the intercessory prayers of religious communities of various denominations," a
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: First, What is your definition of insanity.?? It would be complex, because insanity is a complex subject, but I'm pretty sure that one aspect of it would include defining as insane people who give themselves the titles of kings and expect others to honor those titles. Who expects anyone to honor the rajah titles, even within the TMO? Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It would also include those stupid enough *to* honor these self-given titles. :-) Who DOES honor those titles outside the ceremonies of the club that they belong to? You're right, no-one ... but MMY has expressed genuine disappointment that Hagelin was not elected president and at other rather bizarre notions, so it seems he and others in the inner circle might take these titles very seriously. Second, it may not be sane, but you cannot ignore the teachings completely. That would be like throwing the baby along with the bathwater. Some babies deserve to be thrown out. I'm with Shemp on this one -- the *only* teaching I think was *ever* of worth in the TM movement was how to do basic TM. I think that's a good start for almost anyone, and thus potentially valuable. I think that everything else, including the siddhis and the diet advice and all the Vedic bullshit, is better thrown out. The Sidhis aren't of value? Amrit kalash isn't? Ayurveda isn't sweeping the country in popularity? Ayurved is popular in new agey and wholistic circles, but not sweeping the nation IMO, and sweeping mainly in Chopra and Weil circles. Amrit kalash is sweeping the emerging diabetics section of the country. The issue for me isn't whether these alternative programs have potential value, but how the tmo has managed them - the enlightenment centers in malls plan is a joke and sweeping towards bankrupcy, but no-one dares contradicts or gives reality checks to raja wynne or MMY. Third, A little bit of Snake-Oil might be necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement. Who said a big movement was necessary? That's the question that True Believers never seem to ask them- selves. Many spiritual organizations (for example, Vipassana) have entirely volunteer organizations that teach for free and end up teaching ten to twenty times the number of people worldwide to meditate that the TM organization does. Vipassana has taught 3 million in this country? This is a really interesting pt. There has to be some middle ground between being a effective (corporate-like) marketing org. (which is necessary to actually reach people today) and being obsessed with marketing driven by greed or culty evangelical zeal (which ultimately undermines your original mission). I think the tmo balanced it pretty well in the 70s. In my opinion, the TMO has turned into an entity primarily concerned with perpetuating itself, not with helping others. The goals of the organization are long forgotten; all that matters now is perpetuating the organization. At this point in time, you may be correct. OTOH, the upcoming seminar on TM and its effect on education and ADHD is expected to have over 100 people. True, the invited guests don't have to pay for their lunch atthe Tucson Hilton, but even so, it's a good start. Certainly lots of potential for marketing TM via specific areas like high blood pressure, ADHD and others, but doesn't seem to be the desire of the central org. who whole heartedly believe MMY and the TMO are the only hope for world salvation right now and who want billions to achieve it. For 2 decades now these good little projects have withered away for this reason. Fourth, Take what is good in all the masters and leave out the irrelevant and the unnecessary. IMO, there have never been any masters in history, only people who longed to be subservient and thus picked someone to be subservient to so that they could call them master. Which is why I still call my ole gung fu teacher sifu when I see him, and why I call my former Japanese teacher Yamashita-sensei, even though he hasn't been my teacher in over a year, when he calls to say hi. Sounds like you're giving them respect, which is good and different from subservience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. And for many of them, pure experience is something that the TM movement only talks about, and never provides. So of course they're open to something that *might* provide that experience. The interesting thing in all of this is whether the scenario will play out as it always has in the past. That is, first comes the pronouncement stating that the technique or teacher in question is not endorsed by the TM movement. Next comes the part where anyone who ignores this rather obvious warning is declared persona non grata. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. I have no comment on diksha itself ... but it seems MMY has now made his opinion on tmers doing diksha known via the public announcement, or do diksha people feel Konhaus is acting on his own. I think it's obvious MMY told Konhaus to put this out because diksha is getting too popular within sidha circles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. When and how does this experience occur, and what is it like? (I know, pure experience isn't like anything, but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it life-changing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] No organization connected with TM has ever done anything geared toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever seen. This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it. You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. While I agree, I might point out that the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) is a real bargain if what you want is a fancy title. All you do is make up your own, make sure that the name could have existed during the time period and geographical location your persona lived in but didn't actually exist (in other words, you can't use the names of real historical characters), and voila, you're Lord Whatever of Wherever. You can choose your own costume, too. Most of the crowns one sees in SCA gatherings are *much* nicer and more tasteful than the TMO Burger King crowns. And all in all, this is just good fantasy fun, more so because at the end of the weekend or whatever, you just go home and resume your real life don't have to pretend any more. Unlike the rajas, who are stuck with pretending that their version of fancy titles and dressup *are* real life. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. **END** The scam of titles and the nobility has always existed in the same way. It was always about property and affluence. Queen Elizabeth of England and all her courtiers and the Royal family all look just as silly (to my eyes) as the current crop of TMO rajahs. The only real difference is that the House of Windsor has been in place within the cultural context of England for so long (though not under that name) that there is a presumed legitimacy that the TMO rajahs don't yet have (if ever). There are so many titled Europeans that they're categorized as eurotrash. Governmental authority only exists if you believe it does. When that belief gets shaky then the government starts imposing its authority by other means. Mao's statement that the only real power comes from the barrel of a gun is the expression of the authority of a government either on the way up or on the way down from recognized legitimacy. Real authority is expressed by someone like Guru Dev who spent his life in the solitude of the Self. All the rest of this stuff is funny hats. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ [...] No organization connected with TM has ever done anything geared toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever seen. This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it. You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Obviously you're referring to Shivaratri in which devout hindus stay up all night participating in ecstatic pujas to shiva To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/7/06 9:54 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ [...] No organization connected with TM has ever done anything geared toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever seen. This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it. You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Obviously you're referring to Shivaratri in which devout hindus stay up all night participating in ecstatic pujas to shiva 'Fraid not. These Srivastavas know how to party. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of any unknown things. Didn't he mean to say recertified Governors of the Age of Enlightenment? You know, many thousands of Governors, sounds much better than a few hundred recertifies Governors. Ingegerd --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who is teaching it. ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques or programs other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and anyone who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi teaches Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to everyoneknowledge of the Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Law, the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for the dawn of a new fortune of all mankind. ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be misled on this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to Maharishi and the Vedic Tradition of Masters.² Maharishi says: Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it with anything. Raja Dr. John Konhaus Station 24, 6063NP Vlodrop, Netherlands E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Www.mvoai.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have them do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc outside the TMO sandbox. What a peculiar excuse for incompetence! Ingegerd That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are generally quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild Geneva. *** Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who can understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent chaos in the TMO: http://geocities.com/bbrigante Well you didn't say anything, did you? I said it. And now I say this: just how did Ingegerd (and others) get from my statement to lack of competence? Where is the connection. The issue was karma and ignorance that make them dangerous. Did someone assume I was talking about the current TMO leadership? I could have been, but I wasn't. In fact, now that I think of it, maybe Richs list is what saves the world, by ensuring that the Sal's and who else of this world remains chained to their keyboards instead of making the streets unsafe. When MMY is marketing that HIS knowledge will lead to a perfect organisation and administration according to the Laws of Nature, it does not make sense,when you see how he and his followers behave in the TMO. I call it incompetence. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] re: deeksha
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:32 - From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. When and how does this experience occur, and what is it like? (I know, pure experience isn't like anything, but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it life-changing? Deeksha is a phenomenon, not a practice. It is the Divine Grace bestowed on the recipients crown chakra thru the hands via someone who has been initiated into the process of giving deeksha. it is a 21 day process. If it had been earned thru years of tapasya you might call it a siddhi but since it is a power given technically it is not, however anyone who goes thru the initiation can give it at will. I was turned on to it by the late Steven Shimer and his wife KAthy Unger. They told me the y had made more spiritual progress in the past 3 weeks than they had in the last 10 years. Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person starts to wake up in their own way based on their own physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more blissful. That is my experience. Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has become very personal. Life has become very much fun again. It had become rather boring. Namaste steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who is teaching it. ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques or programs other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and anyone who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi teaches Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to everyoneknowledge of the Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Law, the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for the dawn of a new fortune of all mankind. ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be misled on this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to Maharishi and the Vedic Tradition of Masters.² Maharishi says: Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it with anything. Raja Dr. John Konhaus Station 24, 6063NP Vlodrop, Netherlands E-mail: rajajohnkonhaus@ Www.mvoai.org And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. Are the purusha attending this course still accepted by the TMO as purusha, or are they former purusha? As I see it, there are 3 legitimate concerns here for the TMO. First, perhaps getting shaktipat/dishka from another person or tradition somehow connects you with that new tradition as well as TM and there might some sort of problem with that. Second, maybe the introduction of shaktipat in the midst of TM's delineated unfoldment of evolution is not in the person's best interest. Third, perhaps getting shaktipat is not such a great thing unless it is from a Master who knows you are truly ready for it. Kind of like working hard to activate kundalini by certain practices can be dangerous to health and sanity. Kundalini and shaktipat feel wonderful. Based on my experience, I think MMY gives this, but not so obviously. Probably Amma and SSRS too. As an aside, one of my children, while away from home and in college, was initiated into kriya yoga by a disciple of Yuketeswar (the other branch in Florida, not Yogananda's). My son had a fabulous experience which sounds like it was part of some sort of shaktipat with kundalini rising. But when, many hours later, the energy faded, he felt horrible, really bad and unstable. Someone might want to do some longer term followup on the people receiving the deeksha in this new program. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. I have no comment on diksha itself ... but it seems MMY has now made his opinion on tmers doing diksha known via the public announcement, or do diksha people feel Konhaus is acting on his own. I think it's obvious MMY told Konhaus to put this out because diksha is getting too popular within sidha circles. It doesn't sound that tempting to me, but I've never been tempted to become a Pentacostal and sing the praises of the Holy Spirit as It fills my body, either. Not that there's anything WRONG with that mind you, its just not my cup of tea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:32 - From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: snip The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. When and how does this experience occur, and what is it like? (I know, pure experience isn't like anything, but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it life-changing? Deeksha is a phenomenon, not a practice. It is the Divine Grace bestowed on the recipients crown chakra thru the hands via someone who has been initiated into the process of giving deeksha. it is a 21 day process. If it had been earned thru years of tapasya you might call it a siddhi but since it is a power given technically it is not, however anyone who goes thru the initiation can give it at will. I was turned on to it by the late Steven Shimer and his wife KAthy Unger. They told me the y had made more spiritual progress in the past 3 weeks than they had in the last 10 years. Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person starts to wake up in their own way based on their own physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more blissful. That is my experience. Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has become very personal. Life has become very much fun again. It had become rather boring. Namaste steve Not to complain but to explain from another perspective, Steve's description above is how this phenomenon is viewed by and presented by one particular group. But it's a very common phenomenon in the spiritual smorgas- borg, referred to by other names such as empowerment, transmission, shakipat, or whatever. IMO, the name doesn't matter, and the particular method of trans- mission doesn't matter. As Steve says, it's about experience. And the bottom line is that teachers in many other traditions have mastered this ability to *give* the experience of higher states of consciousness. For those who are more interested in experiencing enlightenment than in reading about it or in hearing somebody else talk about it, these techniques of transmission may have a value. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl@ wrote: Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of any unknown things. Didn't he mean to say recertified Governors of the Age of Enlightenment? You know, many thousands of Governors, sounds much better than a few hundred recertifies Governors. Just wait until they follow up on the diksha pronouncement by throwing anyone involved with it out of the movement. After that, these proclamations are going to have to be worded: ...offered in its purity by the 13 still-active recertified Governors of the Age of Enlightenment... :-) Ouch that stings! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ [...] No organization connected with TM has ever done anything geared toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever seen. This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it. You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's all been done before - think buying Indulgences. Was that before or after the Inquisition? The practice of 'buying indulgences' was long before the Inquisition. The Cathars formed their sect in reaction to the selling of indulgences and the other corruption in the Roman Church. The Inquisition was then formed to deal with the Cathars. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:32 - From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: snip The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. When and how does this experience occur, and what is it like? (I know, pure experience isn't like anything, but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it life-changing? Deeksha is a phenomenon, not a practice. It is the Divine Grace bestowed on the recipients crown chakra thru the hands via someone who has been initiated into the process of giving deeksha. it is a 21 day process. If it had been earned thru years of tapasya you might call it a siddhi but since it is a power given technically it is not, however anyone who goes thru the initiation can give it at will. I was turned on to it by the late Steven Shimer and his wife KAthy Unger. They told me the y had made more spiritual progress in the past 3 weeks than they had in the last 10 years. Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person starts to wake up in their own way based on their own physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more blissful. That is my experience. Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has become very personal. Life has become very much fun again. It had become rather boring. Namaste steve Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order. One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just through people who have completed the official 21 day course, offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared, and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the guru's mov't. DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day course graduates might have it). Maybe there's some juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of its corruption. Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological or placebo effect, at least partially. Spiritual people tend to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect. Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits - it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI and what is coming from an enlightened guru -- or usually disappointments come up later. PS -- Did you get bored under the more rigorous regime that Shri Maa was recommending? How do you compare the 2 approaches??? thanks To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. While I agree, I might point out that the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) is a real bargain if what you want is a fancy title. All you do is make up your own, make sure that the name could have existed during the time period and geographical location your persona lived in but didn't actually exist (in other words, you can't use the names of real historical characters), and voila, you're Lord Whatever of Wherever. You can choose your own costume, too. Most of the crowns one sees in SCA gatherings are *much* nicer and more tasteful than the TMO Burger King crowns. And all in all, this is just good fantasy fun, more so because at the end of the weekend or whatever, you just go home and resume your real life don't have to pretend any more. Unlike the rajas, who are stuck with pretending that their version of fancy titles and dressup *are* real life. :-) Er, it takes a LOT of work to get a title past M'Lord or M'Lady in the SCA. In theory, one must show that one would be able to make a living as a musician to be awarded a title for being a musician, as a blacksmith for being blacksmith, as an artisan for being an artisan, etc., and you must present your talents in a period-appropriate manner by performing period music or dance, or creating period instruments, or manufacturing reasonably period armor, etc. of the required quality. For the fighting titles, you must beat all the other young bucks (or buckettes -there are have been a few fighting baronesses and princesses in the SCA, and I believe one Queen in Her own right) at your level of the SCA, and for the title of king you must not only defeat all comers at the Kingdom level, but must commit to presiding over a certain number of SCA functions over the next year, many of which require a LOT of travel time, or expensive plane tickets, since a Kingdom usually covers several states and you gotta be willing to visit most of your Realm over the period of your reign. BTW, your average Baron or King *does* live the SCA most of the time, outside of work. Not only do they have to attend those out-of-town royal functions, but in order to become king, one must become a master of broadsword, ax, mace, etc., by putting in just as many hours of practice as any karate blackbelt does to prepair for a tournement match. And those damn rattan swords HURT, even through the padded armor. --Sparrow the Incorrigible, Anno Societatis 8 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: It's all been done before - think buying Indulgences. Was that before or after the Inquisition? The practice of 'buying indulgences' was long before the Inquisition. The Cathars formed their sect in reaction to the selling of indulgences and the other corruption in the Roman Church. The Inquisition was then formed to deal with the Cathars. We haven't quite made it to the 'Cathars' stage yet? Ingegred, look out... :-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order. Quite a few, actually. One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just through people who have completed the official 21 day course, offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared, and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the guru's mov't. DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day course graduates might have it). Maybe there's some juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of its corruption. 'DI' sounds as atrocious to me as some of the silly TM acronyms. :-) It's just a brand name. The experience is what it is. Calling it a fancy name like 'Divine Intelligence' doesn't make it either divine or intelligent. Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological or placebo effect, at least partially. Spiritual people tend to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect. Absolutely. Especially people who have been looking in vain for some kind of experience for decades in the TMO or other organization that talked a good game but never delivered. Give such people a little hit of even low-grade kundalini and they think they've seen God. :-) Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits - it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI and what is coming from an enlightened guru -- or usually disappointments come up later. If you're expecting such experiences to be anything *BUT* temporary, you're already setting yourself up for a disappointment, in my opinion. The teacher doesn't really give anything, although it can be perceived that way from the student's point of view. And the experience, as neat as it might be and as useful at getting rid of doubts (Oh my gawd...you mean enlightenment really *does* exist!), is very much a temporary experience. If it inspires you to keep on truckin' and doin' the things that might make it a more permanent experience for you, then transmission/empowerment/shaktipat/diksha might be a good thing for you. If, however, all it does is turn you into a diksha junkie, saving up for your next hit of bliss from the guru, then in my opinion you could've saved a lot of time and money by just buying drugs. One kind of junkie is pretty much the same as the other kind of junkie. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. And for many of them, pure experience is something that the TM movement only talks about, and never provides. So of course they're open to something that *might* provide that experience. Most people don't report regular periods of transcending during TM -- even the long-term meditators don't. OTOH, people who have practiced TM for more than 4 months tend to show the same general EEG pattern, though it DOES get more pronounced during a period of TC. Long-term TMers show this pattern more outside meditation, and peoplewho report witnessing 24/7 show it more than those who don't. I'd say that TM provides SOME kind of experience to everyone who continues it, even if its not flashy, if TC can be called flashy. As Barry well knows, TM has never valued experience for its own sake, so for him to say the TMO only talks about and never provides it is (typically) absurd. As to your comment, it's not clear that Steve's phrase pure experience refers to experience of pure consciousness during meditation; that's why I asked him to say more about it. His response indicates that, for him at least, diksha has made a huge difference in his everyday life. And that kind of experience, of course, is what the TMO *does* value. But of course TM has made a huge difference in many people's everyday lives, so even if we understand pure experience to be a reference to that kind of difference, rather than experience of pure consciousness, Barry's claim that the TMO never provides it is absurd. It would seem that diksha provides *something* that some TMers value but don't otherwise experience, certainly, but what it is exactly remains undefined, so we don't know whether the TMO talks about it without providing it, or not. I'd be interested in knowing whether people who don't practice TM have the same results with diksha. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM on CBS
Title: TM on CBS There will be a 10 minute segment on the TM program and Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City on CBS Sunday Morning this coming Sunday, April 9th. Featured in the piece will be Jeffrey Abramson of the Tower Company in DC talking about Maharishi Sthapatya Ved. Apparently the line producer, correspondent and cameraman now all want to learn TM. Check for the local broadcast time. The David Lynch Weekend was a great success. You can view most of the sessions from the weekend by videocast at the www.lynchweekend.org website. The question and answer sessions with David are priceless, and Dr. Hagelin gives a beautiful talk on Quantum Physics and Spirituality. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. Any new details? How accurate do you think? Is the TMO level of graft any worse than all the other organizations, or just bigger because it has more money? Sigh. After all these years, why doesn't MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean up the books and money. Leave the TMO looking better. This kind of filth is so destructive if it really gets out in a big way. It could be all anyone really remembers, like Rajneesh and the sex and cars (and maybe he had nothing else to offer anyway, but who knows or cares given the garbage) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: GROUNDBREAKINGS TODAY IN MVC!!!
- Original Message - From: Maharishi Enlightenment Center To: Maharishi Enlightenment Center Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: GROUNDBREAKINGS TODAY IN MVC!!! Dear Maharishi Vedic City Community, Today is Shri Raam Navami, when the Administrating value of Nature is at its highest: Shri Raam Navami, Birthday of Raam is most precious time and we don't want to lose this time. We want to inaugurate and celebrate as many of the lands we have in the context of Raam Navami, Raja Raam, Raam Braham, the perfect rule of Braham, rule of peace, prosperity, and Invincibility to every nation. We want to celebrate these features in name of the great Day of Raam Navami which occurs only once a year Therefore, today, Friday, April 7th at 12 noon, we will have groundbreakings in Maharishi Vedic City at the following locations: *The first Peace Colony in MVC *The new location of the Ladies Campus in MVC *At the location of the medical college for Ladies We will send a follow-up email sometime before NOON with more details as these events can be organized. Here are some instructions for the event, so please come prepared: Maharishi said to ring bells and play music and make noise and to make it a big huge Holiday atmosphere Everyone there can put flowers in the hole Take nice Photos and make album of how problem ridden world was transformed into peaceful world... Video taping of people reciting sentence is also suggested As everyone is breaking ground and putting flowers in hole say, "As we break this ground today we are documenting how this problem ridden world is being transformed into peaceful world. Our governments will now be run by Constitution of Universe. The point of infinity is blossoming now." Also, the Rajas and Ministers gathered in the Brahmasthan of the United States will have a ground-breaking and celebration of Raam Navami in that auspicious location. Jai Guru Dev Cynthia Parker and Mac Muehlman Directors, Maharishi Peace Palace Maharishi Vedic City Part Two of Announcement: - Original Message - From: Maharishi Enlightenment Center To: Maharishi Enlightenment Center Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: DETAILS OF GROUNDBREAKINGS TODAY!!! Dear Maharishi Vedic City Community, Here are as many details as we have available at this time regarding Groundbreaking Ceremonies taking place today at NOON in Maharishi Vedic City for Raam Navami: 1. Groundbreaking for the first Peace Colony for MVC: Park halfway between the Arenanders house and the Mansion (in other words, park on Capital Blvd. somewhat to the south of the Mansion). Then walk WEST out into the field. Eloise Raymond and Susanna MacGreagor will be there to lead this ceremony. 2. Groundbreaking for the Constitution of the Universe: This ceremony will take place in the Southwest Corner of MVC. To get to the location, take 185th street west to Iris. Go right (north) on Iris. When you come to the edge of Jani Wood (you will see the big MSV home up on the hill to your left) slow down. Park about half way between that house and Deerfield Road. In other words, park somewhat to the south of Deerfield Road along Iris. The ceremony will take place on the east side of the road. This ceremony will be lead by the MVC Ladies Peace Palace. 3. Groundbreaking for the Ladies Campus and Ladies Medical Building: Meet with Claudia Magill at the Brahmasthan of the city at 11:30 and everyone will caravan to the correct location. To get to the Brahmasthan of the City, take 170th west from Jasmine. Turn south on Juniper and drive one half mile. We hope that everyone will be able to attend one of the above ceremonies! What a lovely day we have for groundbreaking here in Maharishi Vedic City today!! Jai Guru Dev Cynthia Parker and Mac Muehlman Directors, Maharishi Peace Palace Maharishi Vedic City To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: While I agree, I might point out that the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) is a real bargain if what you want is a fancy title. All you do is make up your own, make sure that the name could have existed during the time period and geographical location your persona lived in but didn't actually exist (in other words, you can't use the names of real historical characters), and voila, you're Lord Whatever of Wherever. And you don't even have to pay a million. They're big here in the US, I've come across a number of people involved with it in my weaving forays. You can choose your own costume, too. Most of the crowns one sees in SCA gatherings are *much* nicer and more tasteful than the TMO Burger King crowns. And all in all, this is just good fantasy fun, more so because at the end of the weekend or whatever, you just go home and resume your real life don't have to pretend any more. Unlike the rajas, who are stuck with pretending that their version of fancy titles and dressup *are* real life. :-) I'd like to see one of them try and get on a plane wearing those get-ups... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
I wrote about this to quite a few people. NoBody except Sir Rick Archer bothered to reply. I think this idea of Superiority has become a Dogma. The sooner the TM movement gets rid of this Chain [Golden Chain] the better off it will be. I think it's Voltaire who said, "Only fools rever the chains that bind them." TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:16:13 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're sayingis that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten.The issue, as I see it, is that the TM approach tospiritual development *IS* seriously limited, and in my opinion deals with primarily "elementary school"aspects of the enlightenment process. Knowing this,and knowing that he didn't really have anything to offer *other* than elementary school topics, Maharishihas since pretty much Day One endeavored to makepeople comfortable with staying in elementary schoolforever.First, he made it "off the program" to read books from other traditions or see other teachers. This is smart because if you never know that there is more out there than the TM movement offers, you'll never miss it. Second, Maharishi created a *very* strong "TM is thebest and *all* other techniques and traditions are lesser" mindset in his students. You see it here *EVERY DAY*, whether it manifests itself as the pure bigotry of a Bob Brigante or just the ignorance of TMers who are just "believin' what they were told." This mindset contributes to people being complacentabout what they are taught by the TM movement and accepting of it as "all that *needs* to be taught." They think, "*Because* all other techniques and traditions are lesser than TM, what could they possibly have to teach me?" They have so thoroughly accepted the "TM is best" bullshit that it has become a set of blinders for them, keeping them from even *noticing* that there are huge aspects of the spiritual process that TM doesn't even touch on in its teachings.Third, Maharishi created an Inquisition-like arm of the TM movement, whose job it is to come down on those for which the first two techniques don't work, and who *were* curious enough to study other traditions. When that happens, the first step is usually a proclamation, declaring that "IT'S NOT TM" and will not be countenanced. (Similar to the recent proclamation about diksha.) The next step after that is to excommunicate anyone who still persists in this "off the program" activity.At the end of the process, you have gotten rid of any-one who had the first-hand experience of having learned things of value that the TM movement doesn't teach (or in many cases, even know about), *and* you have created an example for the remaining students of *what happens to them* if they *dare* to learn anything but the elementary school stuff fed to them by the TMO.It's a pretty fascinating cycle to watch, even after all these years. The only thing I can really feel about it all is compassion for those who have submitted to this stuff, and even more compassion for those who claim it wasn't done to them, and that they became the TM bigots they are all on their own. I mean, compassion IS in order; there are a lot of smart people on the TM internet forums who really could have done something with their spiritual aspirations. But instead they *settled* for repeating elementary school over and over and over, in some cases for thirty years or more. And now they spend their days lashing out at anyone who suggests *that* they settled for elementary school. It's really a mindstate to be pitied, not reacted to. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:04 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:04 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore He is joking. I have had to ask the same question from time to time. That says something doesn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/7/06 11:52 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. Any new details? The wild parties were new to me. How accurate do you think? Trusted source. And he said the Srivastava's reputation for this is well-known. Is the TMO level of graft any worse than all the other organizations, or just bigger because it has more money? Probably worse than most, better than some if we put it on a spectrum. Maybe the more money there is, the worse the temptation, or the easier it is to skim off large amounts. Sigh. After all these years, why doesn't MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean up the books and money. Not sure he has the power to do that. My theory is that the nephews have been blackmailing him, but that's just a theory. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
Once again, for some reason Barry's posts aren't showing up on the Web site, so I'm quoting from Jason's response. [Barry wrote:] So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're saying is that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten. (Not sure who the we is here.) The sort of people who aren't very deep or rigorous thinkers may well believe something simply because it was taught to them; apparently that was the case with Barry when he was in the movement, so he imputes this tendency in a blanket fashion to anyone who agrees with something taught by the movement, because he can't conceive of any other way of arriving at that particular point of view. But of course that *isn't* the only way, not for people who use their brains. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy the Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently- departed Dalai Lama once wore... You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what you believe! The real story is pretty amazing. Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense. Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies Seven years in Tibet, Kundun and that Snow Lion documentary. If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt... Or blame someone so stupid and lazy that he bases his bigoted rant against Tibetant Buddhism on the little he's seen in the movies. :-) Are you saying that Martin Scorcese was wrong? How about the documentary Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion? If I'm wrong in my analysis, why not tell me where I'm wrong? Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_. Or, much better, read: The Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation, by Dalai Lama XIV, Glenn H. Mullin, and Valerie Shepherd. This book lists the historical tests that were performed to verify that the kid named as the rein- carnation of the previous Dalai Lama really was. Unlike the movie version, the tests often went on for a month, five or six such tests per day. Failing *any* of them meant that the kid was not the right one. hahahahahahahahaahaha. Dear, dear Barry. I've seen to hit a sore spot. The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO for weird and crazy things and here you are defending probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one that chooses its leader based on some sort of fairy tale about reincarnation! hahahahahahahahahaha. It's an odd science, but as far as I can tell, a real one. It's an odd science but as far as I can tell, a real one. Now that's a doozy of a quote. It speaks volumes all by itself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Would the Nephews bite the hand that feeds them. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems.Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:24:07 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to MaharishiMahesh Yogi Not sure he has the power to do that. My theory is that the nephews have been blackmailing him, but that's just a theory. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who is teaching it. ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques or programs other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and anyone who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi teaches Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to everyoneknowledge of the Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Law, the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for the dawn of a new fortune of all mankind. ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be misled on this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to Maharishi and the Vedic Tradition of Masters.² Maharishi says: Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it with anything. Raja Dr. John Konhaus Station 24, 6063NP Vlodrop, Netherlands E-mail: rajajohnkonhaus@ Www.mvoai.org And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. Thanks to all for the info. So, I guess Diksha is a form of shaktipat or something? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. I have no comment on diksha itself ... but it seems MMY has now made his opinion on tmers doing diksha known via the public announcement, or do diksha people feel Konhaus is acting on his own. I think it's obvious MMY told Konhaus to put this out because diksha is getting too popular within sidha circles. TM = non-sectarian, universal Diksha = religious in nature. Therefore, anyone who does TM can choose to practise the religion of their choice and still do TM twice a day. So what's the problem. If Diksha is a meditation technique or spiritual technique, then MMY has said that one can do 100 different meditations as long as they do TM...and, hey, a direct MMY statement trumps a Konhaus statement any day of the week. So what's the problem? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ [...] No organization connected with TM has ever done anything geared toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever seen. This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it. You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? What wild all-night parties? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: First, What is your definition of insanity.?? It would be complex, because insanity is a complex subject, but I'm pretty sure that one aspect of it would include defining as insane people who give themselves the titles of kings and expect others to honor those titles. Who expects anyone to honor the rajah titles, even within the TMO? Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. From day one, I always got the impression that the rank and file were treated like shit in the TMO. It would also include those stupid enough *to* honor these self-given titles. :-) Who DOES honor those titles outside the ceremonies of the club that they belong to? You're right, no-one ... but MMY has expressed genuine disappointment that Hagelin was not elected president and at other rather bizarre notions, so it seems he and others in the inner circle might take these titles very seriously. Second, it may not be sane, but you cannot ignore the teachings completely. That would be like throwing the baby along with the bathwater. Some babies deserve to be thrown out. I'm with Shemp on this one -- the *only* teaching I think was *ever* of worth in the TM movement was how to do basic TM. I think that's a good start for almost anyone, and thus potentially valuable. I think that everything else, including the siddhis and the diet advice and all the Vedic bullshit, is better thrown out. The Sidhis aren't of value? Amrit kalash isn't? Ayurveda isn't sweeping the country in popularity? Ayurved is popular in new agey and wholistic circles, but not sweeping the nation IMO, and sweeping mainly in Chopra and Weil circles. Amrit kalash is sweeping the emerging diabetics section of the country. The issue for me isn't whether these alternative programs have potential value, but how the tmo has managed them - the enlightenment centers in malls plan is a joke and sweeping towards bankrupcy, but no-one dares contradicts or gives reality checks to raja wynne or MMY. Third, A little bit of Snake-Oil might be necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement. Who said a big movement was necessary? That's the question that True Believers never seem to ask them- selves. Many spiritual organizations (for example, Vipassana) have entirely volunteer organizations that teach for free and end up teaching ten to twenty times the number of people worldwide to meditate that the TM organization does. Vipassana has taught 3 million in this country? This is a really interesting pt. There has to be some middle ground between being a effective (corporate-like) marketing org. (which is necessary to actually reach people today) and being obsessed with marketing driven by greed or culty evangelical zeal (which ultimately undermines your original mission). I think the tmo balanced it pretty well in the 70s. In my opinion, the TMO has turned into an entity primarily concerned with perpetuating itself, not with helping others. The goals of the organization are long forgotten; all that matters now is perpetuating the organization. At this point in time, you may be correct. OTOH, the upcoming seminar on TM and its effect on education and ADHD is expected to have over 100 people. True, the invited guests don't have to pay for their lunch atthe Tucson Hilton, but even so, it's a good start. Certainly lots of potential for marketing TM via specific areas like high blood pressure, ADHD and others, but doesn't seem to be the desire of the central org. who whole heartedly believe MMY and the TMO are the only hope for world salvation right now and who want billions to achieve it. For 2 decades now these good little projects have withered away for this reason. Fourth, Take what is good in all the masters and leave out the irrelevant and the unnecessary. IMO, there have never been any masters in history, only people who longed to be subservient and thus picked someone to be subservient to so that they could call them master. Which is why I still call my ole gung fu
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. It's all been done before - think buying Indulgences. Was that before or after the Inquisition? JohnY I love the idea of indulgences. It quanitifies the field of karma and like things with a price on them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. And for many of them, pure experience is something that the TM movement only talks about, ...and I would suggest to those people that if they are craving a certain subjective experience, why not go for it? I mean, hey, continue to do your TM twice a day and go for Diksha...TM can only improve the experience of it, no? and never provides. So of course they're open to something that *might* provide that experience. The interesting thing in all of this is whether the scenario will play out as it always has in the past. That is, first comes the pronouncement stating that the technique or teacher in question is not endorsed by the TM movement. Next comes the part where anyone who ignores this rather obvious warning is declared persona non grata. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. In the case of the Rajahs, its more than that. The Millionaires Course could be seen that way to a certain extent, but the Rajahs are expected to actually *administrate* which is a big difference, IMHO. Spare Egg, you should have been around at the time of Stalin. You could have been his Minister of Justification. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on 4/7/06 1:34 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the Nephews bite the hand that feeds them. I think theyve got each other by the balls. It could go like this: Nephews: Weve got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or well divulge it. MMY: Yeah, well you aint exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I wont be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world. Nephews: Deal. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. How does he do that? Who protects him? Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
The TM-org lacks compassion.Had it been a little compassionate and treated it's members like family, it would not be having so many enemies today.ShempMcGurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:43:06 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp] From day one, I always got the impression that the rank and file were treated like shit in the TMO. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:04 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore I had the same thought...and that's what was frightening about Richard's post. I couldn't tell (at least Andy Kaufman used to say take my wife, please so we had a hint he was kidding). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, for some reason Barry's posts aren't showing up on the Web site, so I'm quoting from Jason's response. [Barry wrote:] So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're saying is that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten. I missed this post of Barry's altogether (so, Barry, if you're wondering why I didn't respond it's because I never saw it!). Anyone have a message number for it so I can read it and respond? (Not sure who the we is here.) The sort of people who aren't very deep or rigorous thinkers may well believe something simply because it was taught to them; apparently that was the case with Barry when he was in the movement, so he imputes this tendency in a blanket fashion to anyone who agrees with something taught by the movement, because he can't conceive of any other way of arriving at that particular point of view. But of course that *isn't* the only way, not for people who use their brains. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Maharishi hasconsiderable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to MaharishiMahesh Yogi I think theyve got each other by the balls. It could go like this:Nephews: Weve got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or well divulge it. MMY: Yeah, well you aint exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I wont be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world.Nephews: Deal. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. How does he do that? Who protects him? Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- Rick Archer wrote: The wild parties were new to me. I used to enjoy meditator parties because there was a lot of energy and we didn't have to rely on alcohol or drugs to get loose. As a Minneapolis musican told us at an MIU dance, Most people dance to some of the songs. You guys dance to every song. That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian version of the get-down-and-boogie nights I used to enjoy? And if sex is involved, please provide details. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like this: Nephews: We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or we'll divulge it.MMY: Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world. Nephews: Deal. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. How does he do that? Who protects him? Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. Most of the money is in India now and that's controlled by nephews. Even many of the US accounts have girish varma listed as the treasurer. I really doubt MMY will give financial reins to any westerners. He doesn't really trust westerners anymore does he?? B and H may still be hotshots, but the money will go to whoever MMY leaves it. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like this: Nephews: We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or we'll divulge it.MMY: Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world. Nephews: Deal. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. How does he do that? Who protects him? Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- authfriend wrote: I'd be interested in knowing whether people who don't practice TM have the same results with diksha. And whether they're suffering side effects from having their kundalini unleashed. I've known meditators who get a shot of shaktipat and think it's great for a week, then suffer from six months of unstressing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4664
part of todays [EMAIL PROTECTED] exchange. steve Thanks to all for the info. So, I guess Diksha is a form of shaktipat or something? I believe Muktananda gave shaktipat. If an agreed on definition as i understand it is the transference of the guru's energy to the disciple, then deeksha is not shaktipat. I have never heard it refered to by the deeksha Oneness Movement as shaktipat. A more appropriate definition might be the laying on of hands. Some see the golden light go into the crown chakra. And virtually everybody feels it enter the body and then do different things. For some it is physical work on a part of the body, for some it is bliss and joy, for some it results in kundalini moving, for others it is deep peace and quiteness and a few dont notice much of anything. Almost all notice work going on in the head or on the head or both.But it is not anything that the deeksha giver does. He is merely a wire between the Divine Presence and the recipient. While many have immediate mystical experiences it is pointed out that those experiences are just temporary (even if reoccurring) experiences. the ultimate effect is to live an awakened life, a life free from suffering. Mystical experiences dont necessarily produce a joyful life. Message: 16 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:41:39 - From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. I have no comment on diksha itself ... but it seems MMY has now made his opinion on tmers doing diksha known via the public announcement, or do diksha people feel Konhaus is acting on his own. I think it's obvious MMY told Konhaus to put this out because diksha is getting too popular within sidha circles. TM = non-sectarian, universal Diksha = religious in nature. Therefore, anyone who does TM can choose to practise the religion of their choice and still do TM twice a day. So what's the problem. If Diksha is a meditation technique or spiritual technique, then MMY has said that one can do 100 different meditations as long as they do TM...and, hey, a direct MMY statement trumps a Konhaus statement any day of the week. So what's the problem? Good point however it is not a meditation technique or a spiritual technique(meaning it is not something that you do), like yoga or pranayam. you dont get deeksha everyday. it is recommended about once a week or less. It takes about 7 days for the golden light to go thru your system. Now it is 80+ degrees here in austin and i can hear the golf course calling my name. namaste --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have them do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc outside the TMO sandbox. What a peculiar excuse for incompetence! Ingegerd That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are generally quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild Geneva. *** Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who can understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent chaos in the TMO: http://geocities.com/bbrigante Well you didn't say anything, did you? I said it. And now I say this: just how did Ingegerd (and others) get from my statement to lack of competence? Where is the connection. The issue was karma and ignorance that make them dangerous. Did someone assume I was talking about the current TMO leadership? I could have been, but I wasn't. In fact, now that I think of it, maybe Richs list is what saves the world, by ensuring that the Sal's and who else of this world remains chained to their keyboards instead of making the streets unsafe. When MMY is marketing that HIS knowledge will lead to a perfect organisation and administration according to the Laws of Nature, it does not make sense,when you see how he and his followers behave in the TMO. I call it incompetence. Ingegerd Others like to think of it as Enlightenment :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on 4/7/06 2:17 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. Maybe, but I suspect that the nephews have even more clout. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/7/06 2:39 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian version of the get-down-and-boogie nights I used to enjoy? I don't know the details. Maybe we should send a gate crasher. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/7/06 2:40 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos? I don't think it was we who crossed the wires. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Second letter from a Purusha friend
Title: Second letter from a Purusha friend Kerala - December 2005 My journey through central and northern Kerala began at Fort Cochin, one of the finest towns in India. My first stop was Kaladi, the birthplace of Shankara. Just being in this town brought Shankara to my awareness and my experience with him was two fold. First I felt that by making the effort to come here, I had fulfilled a small part of my journey which started with my first experience of Shankara in Trotakacharayas cave over a year and a half ago to this point in time where I stood at his birthplace. I just felt I had completed a requirement that was asked of me. Within me and all of us, is a transcendental level of Pure Innocence. I've experienced this level many times in my life, especially during my 30 + years of meditating. But it has always been on the transcendental level. While I was in Shankaras town, this transcendental level of Pure Innocents came right to the surface and stayed there. It was no longer just transcendental, it was my life, I was that field of Innocents. For me, at this time, I could not have received a more precious gift. The parable from the bible that is closest to my heart is the story of the Lily of the Fields. This level of consciousness is what I want and on this day I had it. It's interesting that with this experience still with me, my next stop, which was just up the road, was to visit the mountaintop where Saint Thomas spent time in meditation. I wanted to visit this place because Saint Thomas choose it for meditation and it had a well that was said the water from the well had divine powers for healing. It was a 2 km hike straight up the mountain through the forest. It would not have been difficult except it was hot and humid which made it a tough one. My heart kept me going while my mind continually questioned my sanity. Saint Thomas did pick a perfect place for meditating. There was a silence and peacefulness to the forest and hilltop that was greater then what you would expect to experience in a forest. Even I, covered in sweat and out of breath could feel it. When I finally reached the top, I was too tired to meditate. I just reclined against the side of the chapel and enjoyed the atmosphere and view. I then pulled me up a bucket of divine water from the well, soaked my head and face then drank a little. I really enjoyed this mountaintop. Next stop was further back into the hills and forest of Kerala to visit the Athirappalli Vazxhachal water falls. I reclined at the top of the waterfall, meditated and just took in the beauty of Kerala. Next to one of the most sacred temples in Kerala, the Guruvayoor temple of Lord Krishna, a very strict Hindu only temple. I knew it was Hindu only and was not going to make any attempt to enter. I just wanted to get as close as I could to the front door and meditate. As one enters the temple grounds there is about a 300 foot covered walkway that leads to the temple. White people are allowed to enter this part of the temple. As I entered the walkway, I spontaneously began to recite out loud the Maha Mrityunjay mantra. I was told I should repeat this mantra 10,000 times. I'm afraid I have a long ways to go. This is the mantra: Om Shiva, Full of Fragrance Who nourishes all beings May he liberate me from death For the sake of immortality As a ripe cucumber is severed from bondage. As I was walking down the walkway, almost shouting this mantra, something within my perception opened and I could actually see the nourishing quality of God within me and within very single person around me, everyone! everyone! I could see God nourishing everyone. This experience was not overshadowing for it seemed very natural. I just kept walking and shouting all the way to the front door of the temple. There I said howdy to Krishna and sat next to a pillar and meditated. Upon leaving I again went to the front door and said goodbye, all the time seeing the nourishing quality of God in everyone. My driver then took me to the place where the temple elephants are kept. I spent about an hour walking through a heard of 65 elephants. No fences or walls. Each elephant just had a chain around one leg tied to a post. One of the most incredible experiences of my life - being surrounded by 65 elephants! I must stop now. In my next story I'll tell you about the women I met. Love you Jai Guru Dev Billy Kerala Part Two December 2005 Now for the women in my life! After receiving the kind of darshan that only 65 elephants can give, I was then called to Durga and her temple of Thirumandhamkunnu. This temple sits on top of a small hill with only about a 100 steps to the top. I arrived in the afternoon, which meant the temple was closed, a very fortunate time for me for there were no pilgrims and just a few administrators, creating a very peaceful environment. I walked around to the backside of the
[FairfieldLife] Third letter from a Purusha friend
Title: Third letter from a Purusha friend I'm now in the blue city of Jodhpur in the deserts of Rajasthan. I've been traveling since Christmas and this is my first opportunity to email. Im going to plant my flag in Jodhpur for about a week, then I was going further into the desert to the city of Jaisalmer to further ponder the mysteries of life, but now I'm heading for the Brahmastan of India for January 12th. Just now I've felt the need to go, so go I shall. I guess the big news from my end is that Ive completed all 12 Jyotirlingas. I went to the one above Pune, which for the last 60 km was like riding over an open field inside a stagecoach, the road was so rough. By the time I made it there I was really not feeling very good and I still had to walk several hundred yards down the hill to the temple, which meant I had to walk back up that hill. Anyway, I was determined to place my forehead on that linga, so I did and when I was sloly walking back up the hill I had one of the most profound experiences of my journey. Im sorry buy Im not ready to share this experience with anyone yet. I then took a train from Pune to Dwarka because it was just too far to travel by car in one shot. Then early one morning we drove out to Jyotirlinga number 12. The temple sat by itself out on the plains and I reached there just as the sun was coming up over the plains of Gujarat. In the temple I was just happy. I just kept smiling during puja. There was a real level of fulfillment within me I did it!!! All 12. Then I took a car all the way across Gujarat to Udaipur in Rajasthan which is called the most romantic city in India, a lot of good that did me. It was really nice and if I had a hot woman and some money I'm sure it would have been romantic. But that was not to be, I was alone and only stayed one day then on to Jodhpur, all the time reflecting on my journey this past year and thinking, was that really me that did this? I still almost find it hard to believe that this has been my life for the past year and a half, so incredibly amazing! I've really taken all of India into my consciousness. I'm very happy. The happiest I've been for the longest period of time since I've been in India and it started with my visit to Jyotirlinga number 12. I have so much more to tell you but you may have to wait until I can place my entire journey into a book which I'm going to start as soon as I can buy a notebook computer. I need to do this soon for I've outgrown Internet Cafes'. Just now I heard back from my main secret sponsor, he is going to buy me that computer for he really wants my book to be written. So it seems that part of this next phase of my journey will be devoted to the book. Jai Guru Dev Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- Rick Archer wrote: Gillam wrote: That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian version of the get-down-and-boogie nights I used to enjoy? I don't know the details. Maybe we should send a gate crasher. I nominate Kirk Bernhardt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fourth letter from a Purusha friend
Title: Fourth letter from a Purusha friend Here is my Israel story. I first stayed for a few days in a convent just outside Jerusalem in the town where John the Baptist was born. My first visit was to the Wailing Wall in the Old City. I was a little taken back that the first people I met there were beggars then by the Hasidic Jews that pounced on Jews approaching the Wall to engage them in conversation. They reminded me of Christian fundamentalist. As I neared the wall I removed my sandals and approached the wall barefoot. This eastern tradition of respect at holy places is so much a part of me that I felt it would have been disrespectful to have worn shoes. I touched my forehead to the wall and placed my prayer in on of the cracks. Next the cave where Jesus was buried and arose from the dead. This was one of places in all Israel that I felt drawn too and its because of the two Israelis that Julie Blum introduced me to at Dr. Rajus clinic just before I left. When the women talked about her experience at this cave I knew I had to go there, so go there I did. At the cave I was waiting in line with about 15 Germans when I once again broke down and started to cry, uncontrollably, except that this time I could feel the emotion that was bursting out of me. I felt incredibly sorry for all the hurt Ive caused everyone in this life and in all previous lives. This emotion was so strong that I was bent over crying my heart out and saying over and over again that I was sorry, that I was so sorry to everyone and truly feeling it. In the past Ive been sorry for hurting others but never have I felt sorry on such a cosmic scale. Once I entered the cave the crying stopped and the rest of the time was uneventful. To have this experience may have been the reason I was brought to Israel and at what more appropriate place then where Jesus arose from the dead. After meditating at the place where John the Baptist was born and having a fabulous lunch at the best Lebanese restaurant in Israel I headed north to the Sea of Galilee where I stayed for several days at the Sidhi Village. The Village is located on top of a tall hill overlooking the Sea of Galilee area, a very beautiful place. Only two places attracted me; the birthplace of Mary Magdalene and the place where Jesus started his ministry with the Sermon on the Mount. For some odd reason Mary Magdalene really pulled me. Her birthplace was alongside the road with no markings, no church and really was almost non-existent, but every time I passed it my heart just leaped towards it. I dont know why she attracted me so. Every time I think of her at that location I feel emotion but have no idea what emotion Im feeling. Anyway, it feels good and Im sure Im becoming a better person for it. Jesus picked a great place to start his ministry, right on top of a hill overlooking the Sea of Galilee, the kind of place I would have chosen. It was incredibly peaceful there. I then wanted to find the source of the Jordan River but no one knew where it was and I didnt have the time to find it on this trip. I felt sorry for this most holy river that it was not honored at its source. Next time in Israel I will find Her source and honor Her there. I then traveled into the Golan Heights and went almost as far north as I could then turned around and headed south past Jerusalem and into the desert. The road from Bebrsheva to Eilat through the Negve was some of the most inspiring landscape Ive ever seen. It was the desert but my god was it beautiful with a wide variety of mountains, caverns, cliffs, all multicolored. Around almost every turn or over every mountain pass the view took my breath away. The most beautiful sight was near the end of the trip as I came over a mountain pass I could see this tall magnificent mountain range that ran all the way along the Jordan border to the Sea. Absolutely incredible! My stay in Eilat was uneventful for it was a pure tourist town and the special events that it offered I couldnt partake in, so I headed north to the Kibbutz at En Gedi on the Dead Sea. This is one of those places I felt was a gift from God to the world. The Kibbutz was at the base of tall cliffs that ran along the Dead Sea. Going back into those cliffs were canyons that lead far back into the mountains. You stand in front of the cliffs and it looks like a desert but walk back into the canyons and you enter a little slice of heaven with waterfalls, small lakes, streams, plants and flowers. Just amazing! I could easily have spent a long time there. My last day in the desert I visited Qumran where the Dead Sea Scrolls where found, not as nice as En Gedi but worth the trip. Then back to Jerusalem. My last day in Israel I spent at the Mount of Olives in the Garden of Gethsemane. There I had no desire to visit anyplace but just to meditate which I did for several hours. My last experience and the culmination of the entire trip to
[FairfieldLife] First letter from a Purusha friend
Title: First letter from a Purusha friend Bill Dunn died the other day in India after a long battle with cancer. Here are 4 letters from him (separate emails): This is a letter from an ex-Purusha friend about his travels in India. If you want to read Part 2 and did not receive it, let me know. - David * Good Morning I'm in Delhi for a few days to get some good western food, see Dr. Raju, dentist, plan my trip east to Puri and just take in the chaos of this wonderful city. Here is the story of my adventures on Char Dham. It reads like a travel guide for tourist, but it was the best I could at this time. I've not been able to include most of my experiences because it all happen so fast and I'm still absorbing them. I'll be sending some pictures soon. You can share this story with friends. Friday I travel to the holy city of Puri stopping at Jyotirlinga number 10 on the way. I don't know how long I'll be there for there is a large Surya temple on the beach that has been pulling me for months...On occasion I feel like I have control over my life - Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! I have no control. Events keep coming my way that change my direction...that seems to be my life at the moment. Here is my story. Cradled in the Lap of the Himalayas - Char Dham - 27 September - 11 October 2005 Bill Dunn and John Stieber I've just competed one of the holiest of holy spiritual journey's - Char Dham, an adventure that took me into the lap of the Himalayas to visit Yamunotri, the source of the Yamuna river, Gangotri the source of Ganga, the Jyotirlinga at Kedarnath that was established by the Pandavas and is also the source of the Mandakini River and finally to Badrinath, the home of Vishnu, Lord of the Universe and the source of the Alaknanda River and then to many other holy places along the way. I did this trip with an old purusha buddy and one of my best friends, John Stieber (the Chief. Maharishi gave him this name.) I knew I could not do this trip alone, so I ask Chief to join me and before I knew it he's in Rishikesh and we're driving towards the mountains. My only request of him was that I get the entire back seat to myself so I could recline in comfort. Our journey took 15 days, traveling about 1,000 miles at an average speed of 20 mph. Shiva was once again our charioteer. Early one fine morning, the three of us blessed Ambassador and then departed for Yamunotri arriving at the end of the road late in the afternoon. At 7 am next morning I was singing Back in the saddle again for the final 5 km up the steep mountain to Yamunotri. Chief walked as he did up every mountain. I was on the first mule to arrive that morning. My mule handler looked at me, smiled and said what seemed the only English he knew parking He parked the mule and I walked the last few hundred yards followed 10 minutes later by Chief. We did puja at the temple, meditated, then above the temple we went down to the river where I said my prayers then touched Her. This river had consciousness, she was awake and I could feel Her. Then the crowds started to arrive so we headed back down the mountain to our guest house. Early the next morning we headed for Uttar Kashi for the night. Next morning we drove to Gangotri. I spent two full days meditating in my room, at the temple or on the banks of the Ganga while Chief made his way to Gaumukh. Upon leaving I had a very sweet experience with Ganga. Often when you leave a town there well be a sign that says Thanks for the Visit and if in the south a line will be added Y'all come again. That's kinda what the experience was though more intimate. There was an appreciation for the effort we made to visit her at the source. Then a two hour drive to Gangnani to visit Parashara's temple. For about an hour before reaching the temple to an hour after leaving I could feel Parashara within me. Then back to Uttar Kashi for the night. Next morning before leaving for Kedarnath we visited a very ancient Shvia temple in Uttar Kashi. The darshan from this temple caught me by surprise...Shiva and Chief waited in the courtyard until I could stop crying. Late that afternoon we stopped at a nice guest house 5 km short of Gaurikund which is the start of the 14 km trek up the mountain to Kedarnath. Gaurikund is where the story of Ganesh losing his human head and getting a new elephants head took place. By 7:30 the next morning I was on my pony for the 3 1/2 hour ride to the top. Chief took 5 hours which was a great time for some people take as long as 12 hours to make the climb. At Kadernath a very sweet event took place. I ran into a Sadhu that I net a year ago at Mani Mahesh. At Mani Mahesh I camped on the hill side right behind the row of Sadhus. Every morning around noon when I would emerge from my tent, they would cheer me. When I confirmed it was him, then told him that I was there also, he immediately recognized me, made the sign of a tent, big
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like this: Nephews: We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or we'll divulge it.MMY: Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world. Nephews: Deal. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. How does he do that? Who protects him? Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos? A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to me something to the effect: imagine what will happen to the brains of the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram. Personally I don't know anything, but think it's pretty naive to think that hundreds of millions of hard currency has disappeared into an indian spiritual movement w/o there being some intriguing financial, political and underworld-type scenarios tangentially involved (though the Sai Baba empire surely has the juicest hidden stories). PS - the rather popular novel Shantaram provides an interesting glimpse into the indian mafias and their relationship with the spiritual world and Bollywood in Bombay. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:56 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Gillam wrote: That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian version of the get-down-and-boogie nights I used to enjoy? I don't know the details. Maybe we should send a gate crasher. I nominate Kirk Bernhardt. I second that emotion and pledge 20 USD towards his plane fare... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
My initator told me that the TM-org was using pundits and meditators to bring in Gold into into india. There was a time when Gold inflow was under severe controls in India. Every TM-org person coming in, had maximun permissible amount of gold with him which was collected by the Indian TM-org as soon as they land in the Airport.! For 6 decades, the Indian Movie industry was not recognised as an industry by the Indian Government. This caused severe funding problems for Bollywood. This forced Producers to approach the Mafia who would give funding for their movies.markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:03:21 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to me something to the effect: imagine what will happen to the brains of the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram. Personally I don't know anything, but think it's pretty naive to think that hundreds of millions of hard currency has disappeared into an indian spiritual movement w/o there being some intriguing financial, political and underworld-type scenarios tangentially involved (though the Sai Baba empire surely has the juicest hidden stories).PS - the rather popular novel Shantaram provides an interesting glimpse into the indian mafias and their relationship with the spiritual world and Bollywood in Bombay. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Gee Mark, you do that really well :-) Better look out the Raja's are looking for PR folks JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/7/06 3:03 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos? A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to me something to the effect: imagine what will happen to the brains of the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram. Not only is $$ coming from overseas siphoned off, but the TMO steals from itself: One evening some years back Eberhard Doberstein was driving back to Noida from TMO headquarters in New Delhi with the cash to pay the printing press employees several weeks' salary. A car forced him off the road and guys in masks brandishing guns forced him to give them the cash. It was an inside job. No one else would have known he was carrying money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch on TM
http://tinyurl.com/r7pnq 'He sounds like an Iowa grandfather over the telephone. His excited descriptions of consciousness tumble forth with no detached coolness.' *** Twenty cups of coffee a day will do that for ya... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Elizabeth of England and all her courtiers and the Royal family all look just as silly (to my eyes) as the current crop of TMO rajahs. Yes, but the Brits don't get to enjoy it: Great Britain is one of the world's foremost guilt-driven societies, says David Holmes, a psychologist who studies the phenomenon at Manchester Metropolitan University in Manchester, England. If people there seem too happy, he says, it's like an admission of guilt. When you're smiling, people think you've done something wrong. http://tinyurl.com/oov8l Wall Street Journal 6Apr2006, page D1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: First letter from a Purusha friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Dunn died the other day in India after a long battle with cancer. Here are 4 letters from him (separate emails): This is a letter from an ex-Purusha friend about his travels in India. If you want to read Part 2 and did not receive it, let me know. - David * Was this Bill Dunn formerly married to longtime Fairfield resident LaVergne Dunn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First letter from a Purusha friend
on 4/7/06 4:21 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Dunn died the other day in India after a long battle with cancer. Here are 4 letters from him (separate emails): This is a letter from an ex-Purusha friend about his travels in India. If you want to read Part 2 and did not receive it, let me know. - David * Was this Bill Dunn formerly married to longtime Fairfield resident LaVergne Dunn? I don't think so. He was married to Helen Hurlin, who had been married to Bill Hurlin. When he ran for Governor of Nebraska for the NLP, has strategy was to perform Yogic Flying in ever town in the state, often in bars and beauty parlors. That took guts (or something). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Once again, for some reason Barry's posts aren't showing up on the Web site, so I'm quoting from Jason's response. [Barry wrote:] So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're saying is that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten. I missed this post of Barry's altogether (so, Barry, if you're wondering why I didn't respond it's because I never saw it!). Anyone have a message number for it so I can read it and respond? The original isn't *on* the Web site, Shemp (see the first line at the top of my post). But if you click the Up Thread box, far left at the top of your screen, you can trace a thread back, and you'll get to Jason's post, which quoted Barry's in full. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order. Quite a few, actually. One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just through people who have completed the official 21 day course, offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared, and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the guru's mov't. DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day course graduates might have it). Maybe there's some juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of its corruption. 'DI' sounds as atrocious to me as some of the silly TM acronyms. :-) It's just a brand name. The experience is what it is. Calling it a fancy name like 'Divine Intelligence' doesn't make it either divine or intelligent. Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological or placebo effect, at least partially. Spiritual people tend to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect. Absolutely. Especially people who have been looking in vain for some kind of experience for decades in the TMO or other organization that talked a good game but never delivered. Give such people a little hit of even low-grade kundalini and they think they've seen God. :-) Of course, the TM organization HAS delivered for many people... Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits - it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI and what is coming from an enlightened guru -- or usually disappointments come up later. If you're expecting such experiences to be anything *BUT* temporary, you're already setting yourself up for a disappointment, in my opinion. The teacher doesn't really give anything, although it can be perceived that way from the student's point of view. Unlike TM, which has an accumulative effect for the rest of a person's life, or so the latest research implies... And the experience, as neat as it might be and as useful at getting rid of doubts (Oh my gawd...you mean enlightenment really *does* exist!), is very much a temporary experience. If it inspires you to keep on truckin' and doin' the things that might make it a more permanent experience for you, then transmission/empowerment/shaktipat/diksha might be a good thing for you. If, however, all it does is turn you into a diksha junkie, saving up for your next hit of bliss from the guru, then in my opinion you could've saved a lot of time and money by just buying drugs. One kind of junkie is pretty much the same as the other kind of junkie. Something I tend to agree with, although Pentacostals who go to church every Sunday might disagree with you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. They were present at these parties? How did they get invited? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM on CBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be a 10 minute segment on the TM program and Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City on CBS Sunday Morning this coming Sunday, April 9th. Featured in the piece will be Jeffrey Abramson of the Tower Company in DC talking about Maharishi Sthapatya Ved. Apparently the line producer, correspondent and cameraman now all want to learn TM. Check for the local broadcast time. The David Lynch Weekend was a great success. You can view most of the sessions from the weekend by videocast at the www.lynchweekend.org website. The question and answer sessions with David are priceless, and Dr. Hagelin gives a beautiful talk on ³Quantum Physics and Spirituality². Jai Guru Dev We now return you to the regular broadcasts of Rick Archer... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. Any new details? How accurate do you think? Is the TMO level of graft any worse than all the other organizations, or just bigger because it has more money? Sigh. After all these years, why doesn't MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean up the books and money. Leave the TMO looking better. This kind of filth is so destructive if it really gets out in a big way. It could be all anyone really remembers, like Rajneesh and the sex and cars (and maybe he had nothing else to offer anyway, but who knows or cares given the garbage) Assuming that they DO have parties all night, and this isn't someone having a little fun at Rick's expense. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My initator tells me that Maharishi's nephews fight among themselves for the share of the Loot. He quoted one of the nephews making Statements like 'I stole in thousands, but he stole in Millions.' etc Your initiator heard this directly from one ofthe nephews? If not, he's repeating rumors, not quoting. A stupid thing for someone to do... wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:52:26 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Any new details? How accurate do you think? Is the TMO level of graft any worse than all the other organizations, or just bigger because it has more money? Sigh. After all these years, why doesn't MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean up the books and money. Leave the TMO looking better. This kind of filth is so destructive if it really gets out in a big way. It could be all anyone really remembers, like Rajneesh and the sex and cars (and maybe he had nothing else to offer anyway, but who knows or cares given the garbage) Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night parties? - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/7/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wild all-night parties? Is that what they do? Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back from India. They were present at these parties? How did they get invited? He was telling be about the well-established reputation the Srivastavas have among Indians in the know. He didn't personally attend the parties. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM on CBS
on 4/7/06 5:07 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be a 10 minute segment on the TM program and Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City on CBS Sunday Morning this coming Sunday, April 9th. Featured in the piece will be Jeffrey Abramson of the Tower Company in DC talking about Maharishi Sthapatya Ved. Apparently the line producer, correspondent and cameraman now all want to learn TM. Check for the local broadcast time. The David Lynch Weekend was a great success. You can view most of the sessions from the weekend by videocast at the www.lynchweekend.org website. The question and answer sessions with David are priceless, and Dr. Hagelin gives a beautiful talk on ³Quantum Physics and Spirituality². Jai Guru Dev We now return you to the regular broadcasts of Rick Archer... But first, a word from our sponsor: Do you have an extra $10 Trillion you don't know what to do with? Don't leave it to your children. It'll spoil them. Give it to the Global Country of World Peace, and rest assured that you will be karmically credit for having solved all the world's problems. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore I noticed that, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Who Planted The Niger Yellow Cake Report/In The 1st Place?'
The question remains: Who planted the report in the first place; Why did it end up in an Italian newspaper? Now did Joe Wilson, know the report was bogus? Who was behind the report in the first place? How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Who Planted The Niger Yellow Cake Report/In The 1st Plac...
In a message dated 4/7/06 6:24:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The question remains: Who planted the report in the first place; Why did it end up in an Italian newspaper? Now did Joe Wilson, know the report was bogus? Who was behind the report in the first place? Cut the racism! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who Planted The Niger Yellow Cake Report/In The 1st Place?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question remains: Who planted the report in the first place; Why did it end up in an Italian newspaper? Now did Joe Wilson, know the report was bogus? Who was behind the report in the first place? Yellow cake Yellow cake Who's got my yellow cake? - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: From: markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore I noticed that, too. I knew it was a spoof by the end of the first sentence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who Planted The Niger Yellow Cake Report/In The 1st Place?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question remains: Who planted the report in the first place; Why did it end up in an Italian newspaper? Now did Joe Wilson, know the report was bogus? Joe Wilson knew it was bogus because it had been widely reported as such in the media. Who was behind the report in the first place? - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Nepal's Hindu king probably on way out
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060407/48/63elw.html http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article356432.ece Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. It's all been done before - think buying Indulgences. Was that before or after the Inquisition? JohnY I love the idea of indulgences. It quanitifies the field of karma and like things with a price on them. It may seem to quantify karma, but it doesn't work. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. It's all been done before - think buying Indulgences. Was that before or after the Inquisition? JohnY I love the idea of indulgences. It quanitifies the field of karma and like things with a price on them. IIRC, Tibetan monks believe that writing out scripture is a religious activity. Some believe that *photocopying* scripture is a religious activity, and hence good karma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. It's all been done before - think buying Indulgences. Was that before or after the Inquisition? JohnY I love the idea of indulgences. It quanitifies the field of karma and like things with a price on them. It may seem to quantify karma, but it doesn't work. ...but it's nice to be da King... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
