[FairfieldLife] Inside out
(Spooky action at a distance, or stuff...) iishopaniSat (Isha Upanishad): tadejati tannaijati tadduure tadvantike . tadantarasya sarvasya tadu sarvasyaasya baahyataH .. 5.. [An attempt at sandhi-vigraha: tat; ejati; tat; na; ejati; tat; duure; tat; u; antike. tat; antaH; asya; sarvasya; tat; u; sarvasya; asya; baahyataH] 5. That moves, yet moves not. That is far, and yet That is near. That is within everything, yet also outside everything. [Shankara's commentary: na mantrANAM jAmitA.astIti pUrvamantroktamapyartha punarAha \ldq tadejati\rdq iti | tadAtmatattvaM yatprakR^itaM tadejati chalati tadeva cha \ldq naijati\rdq svato naiva chalati svato.achalameva sachchalatIvetyarthaH | kiJNcha \ldq taddUre\rdq varshhakoTishatairapyavidushhAmaprApyatvAddUra iva, tat.h \ldq u\rdq antika iti chchhedaH | \ldq tadvantike\rdq samIpe.atyantameva vidushhAmAtmatvAnna kevalaM dUre.antike cha, tadantarabhyantare \ldq asya sarvasya\rdq, \ldq ya AtmA sarvAntara\rdq iti shruteH | \ldq asya sarvasya\rdq jagato nAmarUpakriyAtmakasya \ldq tadu\rdq api \ldq sarvasya\rdq asya \ldq bAhyataH\rdq vyApakatvAd.h, AkAshavanniratishayasUxmatvAdantaH | \ldq praj~nAnaghana eva\rdq iti cha shAsanAnnirantaraM cha || 5||] Perhaps one of these days we might try to translate some of that commentary, but prolly not. Anyways the "reason" "tat" in inside (antaH) seems to be: AkAshavanniratishayasUxmatvAdantaH [aakashavat; niratishaya-suukSmatvaat; antaH] Maybe that means something like: Because 'tat' is of the nature of aakaasha (aakaashavat) [and thus] extremely (niratishaya-) subtle (suukSmatvaat: because of subtlety), 'tat' is [also] inside [of everything]. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside out
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [An attempt at sandhi-vigraha: > > tat; ejati; tat; na; ejati; tat; duure; tat; u; antike. > tat; antaH; asya; Oops! That must be "tat; antar; asya", because "antaH" + "asya" would result to "anto 'sya"! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Fairfield Lifers, > > > > > > Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and > > > mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may > > > have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities > > > about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and > > > beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- > > > ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our > > > whole culture is immersed in. > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > Michael > > > > I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: "Those who > > have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual > > fantasy." > > Of course, regardless of the "real" history of the human race, > literally hundreds of millions of people in India accept this > stuff as true in some sense, so what you're really doing is > saying that all of them are suckers. Actually, all I did was post a quote from a Tibetan teacher, on the occasion of looking around at the plethora of "New Age" interests in Boulder and commenting to his students that the extent of one's interest in such things was, in his opinion, in inverse proportion to the breadth of one's spiritual experience. That is, the fewer real spiritual exper- iences one has had in one's life, the more likely one is to be attracted by New Age fantasies. And the converse; the more real experience one has had, the less likely one is to be interested in such things. If you feel that this extends to India and to Hindus, that's your call. I don't think Trungpa ever said anything about that, and I certainly didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: "Those who > > have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual > > fantasy." > > * > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is an open question, one I have no answer for. However, since I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the "he had people stare at him until they hallucinated" claim, it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever it might have been. When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or disappear or move the stars around, Bob? Tell us all about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. For that matter, tell us about the last time your meditation was about anything but sitting there lost in thoughts... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
Title: BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Why the world is watching Nepal Why the world is watching Nepal By Paul Reynolds World Affairs correspondent, BBC News website While it would be an exaggeration to say that Nepal occupies a strategic position in the world - isolated as it is in the Himalayas - its future is being watched closely. Partly this is for sentimental reasons. The kingdom used to be the destination of choice for thousands of Western hippies who thought of it as a mountain Shangri-la. The one-time guru of the Beatles, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, had connections in Nepal and once broadcast his vision of saving the world by "Transcendental Meditation" on Nepali television. So there is a great interest in the West to see how that quiet and peaceful place (perhaps not so quiet underneath) has developed into the scene of civil war, repression, riot and uprising. It is the government of India that is the most concerned. India itself has considerable problems with Maoist rebels The Yogi's message does not seem to have worked. But then the 1960s and their message of flower power are a long time ago. The world has moved on in more violent ways, and Nepal is a part of that movement. Then there is the Everest trek that keeps Nepal in a wider public eye. Currently teams of climbers are preparing for their attempts on the summit during the calm period between now and the end of May. They have largely escaped the recent troubles, although two climbers were injured last November when Maoist rebels attacked their vehicle on its way to base camp. And there is the added factor in Britain because Nepal is home to the Gurkha fighters who serve in the British army. Indian fears But beyond these attachments to Nepal are more serious considerations. The main one is whether the end of monarchical power as exercised by King Gyanendra develops into democratic politics of some kind, or whether the Maoist rebellion spreads from the countryside to the cities and takes control. It is the government of India that is the most concerned. India itself has considerable problems with Maoist rebels. Rebels are active in several states - Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand. Maharashtra and Bihar. Some of the these places are a long way from the modern image of India as the growing regional and world power, whose development is spurred by high technology. The rebellions are fuelled by issues of land and poverty and India does not want the example of a Maoist Nepal to encourage further protest. India sent an envoy to talk to King Gyanendra, but its intervention has been criticised by the Indian opposition BJP party as "too little and too late". The BJP president Dr Rajnath Singh said that India should exert pressure to ensure that Maoists are not given positions of influence in Nepal. He wants a renewed effort to crush the Maoist rebellion. India fears that there are links between Maoists in Nepal and their fellow fighters in India. Stark divide Perhaps for too long, the world averted its eyes from the reality of Nepal, distracted by its Shangri-La image. It should have been seen as somewhere that could show how modern ideas of democracy and development - as opposed to the communal policies urged by the Maoists - could work. But Nepal did not manage to address the problems presented by its 28 million people, many of them clinging to a precarious existence on the crowded slopes of the mountains. I visited both Nepal and another Himalayan kingdom, Bhutan, in 1997 and the difference was stark. A lot had to do with the number of people. Bhutan was almost empty. It had little traffic (and all cars were tracked by officials at road junctions) and no traffic lights, the only pair having been removed as unnecessary. The king controlled everything and, at that time, there was not even television. The Indians had built roads south to North to be able to reinforce in case of trouble from China but the place was placid. Nepal was already beginning to seethe. From the air, one could see that every inch of useable mountainside had been terraced and cultivated. But there just was not enough room for the people to make a decent living and the government was unable to lift them out of their plight. The rest followed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Story from BBC NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/south_asia/4933866.stmPublished: 2006/04/22 11:50:09 GMT© BBC MMVI To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "George DeForest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Why the world is watching Nepal > > Why the world is watching Nepal? Why indeed? And why is talk in TMO circles not taking more note of the events there? I mean, it's really a pretty interesting scene, as far as I can tell. A king -- who in my opinion probably had nothing but the highest motives in the world for doing so -- chose to dissolve the democratic political structures in his country and return it to rule by kings who were (theoretically) better able to rule than the democratic rabble. Essentially, he put Maharishi's "ideal government" to the test. AFAIK the king never made any declaration of his own enlightenment, or even any extended dissertation on his divine right to rule. He was very Nike about the whole thing -- he Just Did It. And now, only a few short years later, in the world News we see the results of having taken that stance. People who like Maharishi's theory of "government by the enlightened" can probably look at this situation in Nepal and shrug and say, "Well...it's not as if the king were really enlightened, right?" Well, he might not be. But then, those in the TM movement who think that *they* are enlightened enough to rule the world might not be as well. Me, I think the problem is not with the particular implementation of the "the enlightened should rule" idea, but with the idea itself. I believe the idea is fatally flawed, and would never work even if it *were* implemented by fully enlightened beings. It's just a Bad Idea. > By Paul Reynolds > World Affairs correspondent, BBC News website > > > > While it would be an exaggeration to say that Nepal occupies a strategic position in the world - isolated as it is in the Himalayas - its future is being watched closely. > Partly this is for sentimental reasons. The kingdom used to be the destination of choice for thousands of Western hippies who thought of it as a mountain Shangri-la. > > The one-time guru of the Beatles, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, had connections in Nepal and once broadcast his vision of saving the world by "Transcendental Meditation" on Nepali television. > > So there is a great interest in the West to see how that quiet and peaceful place (perhaps not so quiet underneath) has developed into the scene of civil war, repression, riot and uprising. > > > It is the government of India that is the most concerned. India itself has considerable problems with Maoist rebels > > > The Yogi's message does not seem to have worked. But then the 1960s and their message of flower power are a long time ago. The world has moved on in more violent ways, and Nepal is a part of that movement. > > Then there is the Everest trek that keeps Nepal in a wider public eye. Currently teams of climbers are preparing for their attempts on the summit during the calm period between now and the end of May. They have largely escaped the recent troubles, although two climbers were injured last November when Maoist rebels attacked their vehicle on its way to base camp. > > And there is the added factor in Britain because Nepal is home to the Gurkha fighters who serve in the British army. > > Indian fears > > But beyond these attachments to Nepal are more serious considerations. > > > The main one is whether the end of monarchical power as exercised by King Gyanendra develops into democratic politics of some kind, or whether the Maoist rebellion spreads from the countryside to the cities and takes control. > > It is the government of India that is the most concerned. > > India itself has considerable problems with Maoist rebels. Rebels are active in several states - Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand. Maharashtra and Bihar. > > Some of the these places are a long way from the modern image of India as the growing regional and world power, whose development is spurred by high technology. > > The rebellions are fuelled by issues of land and poverty and India does not want the example of a Maoist Nepal to encourage further protest. > > India sent an envoy to talk to King Gyanendra, but its intervention has been criticised by the Indian opposition BJP party as "too little and too late". > > The BJP president Dr Rajnath Singh said that India should exert pressure to ensure that Maoists are not given positions of influence in Nepal. He wants a renewed effort to crush the Maoist rebellion. > > India fears that there are links between Maoists in Nepal and their fellow fighters in India. > > Stark divide > > Perhaps for too long, the world averted its eyes from the reality of Nepal, distracted by its Shangri-La image. > > It should have been seen as somewhere that could show how modern ideas of democracy and development - as opposed to the communal policies urged by the Maoists - could work. > > But Nepal did not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. A hallucination can also be an experience. > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. > > Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is > an open question, one I have no answer for. I would have an answer. > However, since > I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the "he > had people stare at him until they hallucinated" claim, > it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever > it might have been. And you wouldn't necessarily know you are hallucinating when you do, right? > When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or > disappear or move the stars around, Bob? Maybe Bob is not really interested in seeing such things, thats why he doesn't see them. Does this make him inferior to you in your eyes? Maybe he is more sceptical than you are with regard to his perceptions. > Tell us all > about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. > For that matter, tell us about the last time your > meditation was about anything but sitting there lost > in thoughts... :-) Never lose an opportunity trying to trash TMers, what a phoney act, Barry. Actually I am disappointed by you Barry, you are deteriorating quickly, I remember you were somewhat better 2-3 years back. Now you appear to be just a sad old cynic. No love, no compassion, just trashing others spiritual path you fell superior to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "George DeForest" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Why the world is watching Nepal > > > > Why the world is watching Nepal? > > Why indeed? And why is talk in TMO circles not taking > more note of the events there? > > I mean, it's really a pretty interesting scene, as far > as I can tell. A king -- who in my opinion probably had > nothing but the highest motives in the world for doing > so -- chose to dissolve the democratic political structures > in his country and return it to rule by kings who were > (theoretically) better able to rule than the democratic > rabble. > > Essentially, he put Maharishi's "ideal government" to > the test. > > AFAIK the king never made any declaration of his own > enlightenment, or even any extended dissertation on his > divine right to rule. He was very Nike about the whole > thing -- he Just Did It. And now, only a few short years > later, in the world News we see the results of having > taken that stance. > > People who like Maharishi's theory of "government by > the enlightened" can probably look at this situation > in Nepal and shrug and say, "Well...it's not as if the > king were really enlightened, right?" Well, he might > not be. But then, those in the TM movement who think > that *they* are enlightened enough to rule the world > might not be as well. > > Me, I think the problem is not with the particular > implementation of the "the enlightened should rule" > idea, but with the idea itself. I believe the idea > is fatally flawed, and would never work even if it > *were* implemented by fully enlightened beings. It's > just a Bad Idea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. > > A hallucination can also be an experience. > > > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) > > Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough > such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more than to believe my experiences with Rama were hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe this. I have no such option. I was there. And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > wrote: > > > > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > > > > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. > > > > A hallucination can also be an experience. > > > > > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) > > > > Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough > > such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. > > Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more > than to believe my experiences with Rama were > hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe > this. That really has nothing to do with happiness. Unlike others it doesn't make me happy if others fail. Just pointing out that 'seeing' something, and 'being there' is in no way contradictory to hallicunation. Thats simply its definition: 'Seeing' something that is not there, and believing it to be 'there' > I have no such option. I was there. You were there that for sure. You may believe whatever you want about it, but as you base your experiential superiority to Bob upon it, you might allow others to question your 'experience' > And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. That is, that you believe you saw something to be really there, which makes you feel you can talk with authority on the subject, while others talking about similar thing, you insinuate, do so only because they can't have experiences about it, otherwise they wouldn't talk about it, right? But, after all, you can't talk with authority about it, because you may have just been hallucinating. And further, your insinuate that they, who didn't have such experiences/hallucinations? couldn't have other more valid spiritual experiences. While I completely agree with Trungpa, that such talk is just a distraction from essential spiritual experiences, (like love and compassion for ones fellow spiritual travellers), you insinuate Michael and Bob couldn't have such experiences either. Barry, with you its all about: I have experiences, you (TMers) don't have. In fact you have assimilated MMYs message to a high degree, but just inverted it, and use it as munition against TM. For example your onepointedness to switch every topic to trash TM, or your whole Experience vs Belief/Religion act. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why scorpion leader is worse than Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > wrote: > > > > Really, you have taken stupidity to a new plateau. > > "... and against stupidity the very gods themselves > > contend in vain". Schiller > > Uns. > > > > * > > I'm sorry, but that's my line, stressor: you lot have really got your > priorities in order: > > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/21/D8H4GF9O1.html Priorities in order? You spent (in 2004) $12,000 per person per month on defence, and your only significant enemy is a bearded bloke on a camel in Pakistan somewhere (possibly). And this $403 trillion can't even find him. I'm not criticising Rumsfeld. I'm criticising you for being so dumb as to raise your head above the parapet. Your work is ill researched, bigotted and racist. Uns. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > > > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > > > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > > > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > > > > > > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. > > > > > > A hallucination can also be an experience. > > > > > > > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) > > > > > > Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough > > > such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. > > > > Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more > > than to believe my experiences with Rama were > > hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe > > this. > > That really has nothing to do with happiness. Unlike others it doesn't > make me happy if others fail. Just pointing out that 'seeing' > something, and 'being there' is in no way contradictory to > hallicunation. Thats simply its definition: 'Seeing' something that is > not there, and believing it to be 'there' > > > I have no such option. I was there. > > You were there that for sure. You may believe whatever you want about > it, but as you base your experiential superiority to Bob upon it, you > might allow others to question your 'experience' > > > And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. > > That is, that you believe you saw something to be really there, which > makes you feel you can talk with authority on the subject, while > others talking about similar thing, you insinuate, do so only because > they can't have experiences about it, otherwise they wouldn't talk > about it, right? But, after all, you can't talk with authority about > it, because you may have just been hallucinating. And further, your > insinuate that they, who didn't have such experiences/hallucinations? > couldn't have other more valid spiritual experiences. While I > completely agree with Trungpa, that such talk is just a distraction > from essential spiritual experiences, (like love and compassion for > ones fellow spiritual travellers), you insinuate Michael and Bob > couldn't have such experiences either. > Barry, with you its all about: I have experiences, you (TMers) don't > have. In fact you have assimilated MMYs message to a high degree, but > just inverted it, and use it as munition against TM. For example your > onepointedness to switch every topic to trash TM, or your whole > Experience vs Belief/Religion act. Yawn To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Never lose an opportunity trying to trash TMers, what a phoney act, > Barry. Actually I am disappointed by you Barry, you are deteriorating > quickly, I remember you were somewhat better 2-3 years back. Now you > appear to be just a sad old cynic. No love, no compassion, just > trashing others spiritual path you fell superior to. I think Barry has made entirely balanced responses to people questioning his experiences with Lenz. Nothing seems to push people's buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of levitation. Whenever it comes up, Shemp and others roll out their heavy artillery. It is kind of fun to see. Then the barrage begins. Usually goes on for about 50 posts. I'll be the first to admit that I am suceptible to some far fetched theories, but interviews I have heard of Lenz's and articles I have read indicate to me that he was an extrodinary person. I have no problem with his levitation. By the way Bob, isn't levitation one of the siddhis taught by MMY? Are all reports of levition witnessed by people current and past fabrications? lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yawn I knew you would understand ;-) Btw. thats how I feel about most of your posts too: they are so predictable To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nothing seems to push people's > buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of > levitation. Levitation of others obviously. Then there are enough people I know of in the TM who have first hand experiences of levitation themselves, but they don't use them to trash. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nothing seems to push people's > > buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of > > levitation. > > Levitation of others obviously. Then there are enough people I know > of in the TM who have first hand experiences of levitation themselves, > but they don't use them to trash. Trin, Not everything comes in a nice little package we like. So you can accept other people's accounts of witnessing levitation, but not Barry's, because Barry mixes it up with peple? Probably you have not read Barry's accounts which are plainly described with no apparant need to convince anyone. And, probably you have not read anything Freddy (Lenz) has said or written. Sorry to prejudge you, but I am just taking a guess. Check out some of Fred's interviews, if you haven't. He may have gotten side tracked at the end. But he didn't start out thay way. lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman > wrote: > > Dear Fairfield Lifers, > > Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and > > mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may > > have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities > > about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and > > beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- > > ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our > > whole culture is immersed in. > > Enjoy > > Michael > > I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: "Those who > have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual > fantasy." You should have a rummage through the antigravity YahooGroups. Or try putting electrogravitics (being the scientifically acceptable moniker) into Google along with Boeing or Skunk-works. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. is that > when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own > destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the > destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see > today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous > coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate > depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "George DeForest" > > wrote: > > > > > > BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Why the world is watching Nepal > > > > > > Why the world is watching Nepal? > > > > Why indeed? And why is talk in TMO circles not taking > > more note of the events there? > > > > I mean, it's really a pretty interesting scene, as far > > as I can tell. A king -- who in my opinion probably had > > nothing but the highest motives in the world for doing > > so -- chose to dissolve the democratic political structures > > in his country and return it to rule by kings who were > > (theoretically) better able to rule than the democratic > > rabble. > > > > Essentially, he put Maharishi's "ideal government" to > > the test. > > > > AFAIK the king never made any declaration of his own > > enlightenment, or even any extended dissertation on his > > divine right to rule. He was very Nike about the whole > > thing -- he Just Did It. And now, only a few short years > > later, in the world News we see the results of having > > taken that stance. > > > > People who like Maharishi's theory of "government by > > the enlightened" can probably look at this situation > > in Nepal and shrug and say, "Well...it's not as if the > > king were really enlightened, right?" Well, he might > > not be. But then, those in the TM movement who think > > that *they* are enlightened enough to rule the world > > might not be as well. > > > > Me, I think the problem is not with the particular > > implementation of the "the enlightened should rule" > > idea, but with the idea itself. I believe the idea > > is fatally flawed, and would never work even if it > > *were* implemented by fully enlightened beings. It's > > just a Bad Idea. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > Nothing seems to push people's > > > buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences > of > > > levitation. > > > > Levitation of others obviously. Then there are enough people I know > > of in the TM who have first hand experiences of levitation > themselves, > > but they don't use them to trash. > > Trin, > > Not everything comes in a nice little package we like. So you can > accept other people's accounts of witnessing levitation, but not > Barry's, because Barry mixes it up with peple? No, first of all I distinguish, how they *use* it. So I don't attribute more validity to a TMers report of levitation than to Barrys report of seeing it. > Probably you have not > read Barry's accounts which are plainly described with no apparant > need to convince anyone. And, probably you have not read anything > Freddy (Lenz) has said or written. You are wrong, I did read some of it, I even suggested to Barry to make a Wikiquote page about him which he declined. Still I think he was a phoney to start with, but thats just my opinion about him. I certainly respect the love his devotees have for him. > Sorry to prejudge you, but I am > just taking a guess. Check out some of Fred's interviews, if you > haven't. He may have gotten side tracked at the end. But he didn't > start out thay way. I haven't read all, but certainly some that is on the net. My opinion is that its not just that he got sidetracked at the end, but that it was there right from the beginning. The whole thing how he tried to replay the Castaneda trip I find quite phoney in itself. There's really nothing original or authentic in it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > Never lose an opportunity trying to trash TMers, what a phoney > > act, Barry. Actually I am disappointed by you Barry, you are > > deteriorating quickly, I remember you were somewhat better 2-3 > > years back. Now you appear to be just a sad old cynic. No love, > > no compassion, just trashing others spiritual path you fell > > superior to. > > I think Barry has made entirely balanced responses to people > questioning his experiences with Lenz. Nothing seems to push > people's buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand > experiences of levitation. It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had such experiences. Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him superior to anybody else. Whenever it comes up, Shemp and others roll out their > heavy artillery. It is kind of fun to see. Then the barrage > begins. Usually goes on for about 50 posts. I'll be the first to > admit that I am suceptible to some far fetched theories, but > interviews I have heard of Lenz's and articles I have read indicate > to me that he was an extrodinary person. I have no problem with his > levitation. By the way Bob, isn't levitation one of the siddhis > taught by MMY? Are all eports of levition witnessed by people > current and past fabrications? > > lurk > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry, insinuating what TMers would have to say in his mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate > > > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > Barry, insinuating what TMers would have to say in his mind. Exactly what I suspected, if so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't read all, but certainly some that is on the net. My opinion > is that its not just that he got sidetracked at the end, but that it > was there right from the beginning. The whole thing how he tried to > replay the Castaneda trip I find quite phoney in itself. There's > really nothing original or authentic in it. Okay, that's a fair response. I had no idea who he was until six months ago. I enjoyed getting turned on to his "thing". I found it quite refreshing and genuine. Then again, thanks for turning me on to Mother Meera. I have enjoyed getting acquanited with her "thing". lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had > such experiences. > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him > superior to anybody else. Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate" with someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with no way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much controversy. lurk > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Holographic Universe, by Michael Talbot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > And the last time somebody went 10 billion miles to test this > was...? > > > > This has overtones of the TMO's > > this-is-the-most-important-theory-in-the-universe... > > > > Sal > > It's also a standard part of Quantum Mechanics theory and has been > for 75+ years or so. There's no known way of using this fact to > communicate information over long distances, BTW. Testing to see what > one electron or whatever is doing, means you've modified the other > one also so whoever tests first destroys any info the other person > wanted to send. > +++ An ounce of expierience is heavier than a ton of theory. Telepathy works and, is not dependant on any approval. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, that's a fair response. I had no idea who he was until six > months ago. I enjoyed getting turned on to his "thing". I found it > quite refreshing and genuine. Really, its always something I try to avoid, judging other 'Masters', especially if I haven't seen them myself. For example, somebody may have something very valuable for you, and at the same time, he could be lying playing tricks etc. I am sure he spoke a refreshing language in the spiritual scene. > Then again, thanks for turning me on to > Mother Meera. I have enjoyed getting acquanited with her "thing". Did I? Nice though ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] You Are All Such High Spiritual Beings
The recent posts show beyond question that the level of love and compassion -- flowing abundantly and without reservation -- from all, indicate the high level of spiritual experiences that all of you have, the great spiritual progress you all have made, and how proud and glorious you should all feel about yourselves and your grand achievements. ALL Glory to you, all you precious highly evolved, and highly spiritual individuals. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Is there a Cliff's Notes version? Sal On Apr 22, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Ancient Indian texts on vimanas are so numerous it would take several books to relate what they have to say.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Holographic Universe, by Michael Talbot
So very right, Nelson, the proof is in the experiencing of it, and in our realm, in the world of yoga/tantra, it's all 98% experience, 2% theory. All too often supposed 'scientists' are so extroversive that they search for evidence solely in the material world for paradigms that are better witnessed, or even solely witnessable subjectively. Materially, there seems to continue to be no evidence of a mind. Who'd've thunk it!? Dharma MitraThey are "educated" who have learned much, remembered much,and make use of their knowledge in everyday life. And of these lessons integrated into their life,moral conscience is the most imperative to learnand convey to others.Their virtues give true meaning to education. On 4/23/06, Nelson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote:> >> > And the last time somebody went 10 billion miles to test this> was...?> >> > This has overtones of the TMO's> > this-is-the-most-important-theory-in-the-universe... > >> > Sal>> It's also a standard part of Quantum Mechanics theory and has been> for 75+ years or so. There's no known way of using this fact to> communicate information over long distances, BTW. Testing to see what > one electron or whatever is doing, means you've modified the other> one also so whoever tests first destroys any info the other person> wanted to send.>+++ An ounce of expierience is heavier than a ton of theory. Telepathy works and, is not dependant on any approval. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Are All Such High Spiritual Beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The recent posts show beyond question that the level of love and > compassion -- flowing abundantly and without reservation -- from all, > indicate the high level of spiritual experiences that all of you have, > the great spiritual progress you all have made, and how proud and > glorious you should all feel about yourselves and your grand > achievements. ALL Glory to you, all you precious highly evolved, and > highly spiritual individuals. Thanks Couscous, finally someone who appreciates ;-) But possibly you misunderstood this thing with the proud and glorious.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Holographic Universe, by Michael Talbot
On Apr 23, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Dharma Mitra wrote: > > So very right, Nelson, the proof is in the experiencing of it, and > in our realm, in the world of yoga/tantra, it's all 98% experience, > 2% theory. All too often supposed 'scientists' are so extroversive > that they search for evidence solely in the material world for > paradigms that are better witnessed, or even solely witnessable > subjectively. Materially, there seems to continue to be no > evidence of a mind. Who'd've thunk it!? Exactly--and most of the intact traditions will have inner signposts, all entirely subjective but nonetheless personally verifiable--and teachers who are able to act as guides for this inner landscape. However when you want to *sell* something, it becomes important to have some sort of carrot to persuade--and in that persuasion scientific materialism can be used to foster and promote spiritual materialism. The TMO probably represents the greatest form of this style of scientific and spiritual materialism in the history of meditation. Was it a failed or successful experiment? I guess we all decide for ourselves--and people's feet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] You Are All Such High Spiritual Beings
On Apr 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > The recent posts show beyond question that the level of love and > compassion -- flowing abundantly and without reservation -- from all, > indicate the high level of spiritual experiences that all of you have, > the great spiritual progress you all have made, and how proud and > glorious you should all feel about yourselves and your grand > achievements. ALL Glory to you, all you precious highly evolved, and > highly spiritual individuals. Jai Guru Dev! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had > > such experiences. > > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him > > superior to anybody else. > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate" with > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with > no way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who suggested it was important. So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience in that regard. The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other people down and exalt himself. > Something which > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much > controversy. > > lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who > suggested it was important. > > So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience > in that regard. > > The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his > experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other > people down and exalt himself. You just can't let Barry go, can you? Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. Then you -- and many others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a break -- give US a break. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Are All Such High Spiritual Beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > The recent posts show beyond question that the level of love and > > compassion -- flowing abundantly and without reservation -- from > > all, indicate the high level of spiritual experiences that all of > > you have, the great spiritual progress you all have made, and how > > proud and glorious you should all feel about yourselves and your > > grand achievements. ALL Glory to you, all you precious highly > > evolved, and highly spiritual individuals. > > Jai Guru Dev! Right, Vaj, of course it's only the TMers here who are the targets of anon_couscous's sarcasm. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
What you are saying is fucking Nonsense. Why do you have such extreme Prejudices.? The Maoist rebels are bloody rogues, who want a easy life, without doing much work. The economy of Nepal itself will be destroyed if these terrorists come to power and it will harm India's interests also. India also has Maoist rebellions in several states expecially in North-east. What do you mean, "Nepal stopped TM.?" Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:22:56 -0400Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened? The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. Then you -- and many > others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a > break -- give US a break. It's Ok, man...it's a lot like aikido. They can't sucker me into a fight unless I agree to be part of the fight. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jason Spock wrote: What do you mean, "Nepal stopped TM.?"Massive TM initiations.At a certain point you realize that scientific proselytizing is as palatable as the religious kind--and possibly equally destructive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted > > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > > proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who > > suggested it was important. > > > > So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience > > in that regard. > > > > The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his > > experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other > > people down and exalt himself. > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't have the self-control to resist? I will continue to comment about Barry if and when I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. In any case, I was responding to a poster who was criticizing Barry's critics but getting the *basis* for their criticism wrong. I pointed out that the critics don't criticize Barry for recounting his experiences, as the poster seemed to think, but rather for using the experiences as a weapon against others and a means to exalt himself. > Then you -- and many > others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a > break -- give US a break. Is someone forcing you to read my posts, Vaj? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:23 AM, authfriend wrote: > How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. > Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't > have the self-control to resist? Of course, that' s exactly why you keep prodding him, attempting to annoy him, make jabs, etc. > > I will continue to comment about Barry if and when > I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. That's fine, continue to play Supercunt then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Googlism
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. helped Iran go nuclear
In a message dated 4/22/06 7:20:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Shah had a > difficult time getting a country to accept him.>somethign about being as cruel as any other dictator, IIRC. More likely governments didn't want to get on the Sh*t list of the new Iranian Revolution and lose out on oil contracts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Spa Opening Party - next Sunday April 30 in...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:23 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. > > Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't > > have the self-control to resist? > > Of course, that' s exactly why you keep prodding him, attempting > to annoy him, make jabs, etc. So you *are* saying he doesn't have the self-control. Fine. Then perhaps he shouldn't make promises he can't keep, eh? (Especially when he goes on to exalt himself for his great self-control and dump on others he claims don't have it.) Why do you get so agitated when Barry is criticized? Do you *also* lack the self-control not to read and respond to the criticisms? I criticize Barry when I think he merits criticism. I couldn't give a flying freak whether he responds or not. Actually it's easier when he *doesn't*, because then I don't have to also refute the lies he tells when he does. > > I will continue to comment about Barry if and when > > I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. > > That's fine, continue to play Supercunt then. Nice talk. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
Perhaps there are two types. One is Pseudo-scientific proselytizing and the other is creating awareness about Genuine Science.?? Many Scientists feel that public should be made aware of Pure Science. It's good for the science in the long run. The fucking Creationists morons use Pseudo-science to prop up their agenda. That is as destructive as religious proselytizing. Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:21:16 -0400Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened? Massive TM initiations.At a certain point you realize that scientific proselytizing is as palatable as the religious kind--and possibly equally destructive. Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
In a message dated 4/23/06 8:50:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots?Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO istalking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Anything in those texts about sustainable energy sources we might adopt to replace our oil- and coal-based systems? - An aside regarding peaceful uses of aircraft: early in the 20th Century, one Alberto Santos-Dumont dreamed of how world leaders would be able to avoid war by hopping on planes and conferring with one another when crises were brewing. Indeed, in the weeks leading up to the First World War, England's King George V and his cousin, Kaiser Wilhelm II, exchanged letters in hopes of averting war, but to no avail. Perhaps they would have succeeded had they flown to a meeting place. It was not to be, however, and the devastation began. In 1932, before hanging himself, Santos-Dumont cited his depression over airplanes being used to kill. > Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas > Contributed by John Burrows > Slightly edited by Michael Dean Goodman > > The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: "The > privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is > among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon > high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives." > > More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, > The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on > building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, > copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc. > > The Indian Emperor, Ashoka, started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown > Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many > sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the > advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, > would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, > having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody > battle. The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one > each. Book number one was The Secrets of Gravitation! This book, known to > historians, but not actually seen by them, dealt chiefly with "gravity > control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in > India, Tibet, or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can > certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a > secret, assuming it exists. > > Ashoka was also aware of devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and > other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" > several thousand years before. > > This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the > publisher: > Vymaanidashaastra Aeronautics, by Maharishi Bharadvaja, translated into > English, published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979. Mr. Josyer is the > director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation, located in > Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that vimanas were powered by some form of > "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering in > the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvaja refers to no less > than seventy authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity. > > [Michael's note: When I was on the Vedic Science Course in Delhi in the 1980s, > I slipped out one day and spent the afternoon perusing the shelves of Motilal > Banarsidas, a great book store that shipped all over the world and was used by > many Movement students of vedic knowledge - the Mecca of vedic booksellers. I > found so many great books that I had to begin discriminating - putting some > back - or I'd never be able to carry them home on the plane. I saw this very > book by Rishi Bharadvaja that the author is describing above; it was > exceptionally unusual in that it had been translated into English!, unlike > many obscure, esoteric vedic texts. It gave explicit instructions on how to > make the drive engine for the flying ships, what alloys to make the various > parts out of, etc. - very technical and engineering oriented. Foolishly, it > was one of the books I rejected that day, and I came to regret it. Over the > years, when I sent friends who were traveling in India back to buy it for me, > they couldn't find a trace of it! No one seemed to know anything about it. > It was like a tease, a little taste of technology from another age, that came > to open my mind and then vanished into obscurity again. So finding the source > of it, in this essay, is the fulfillment of a decades-old desire.] > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Gr
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/23/06 8:50:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is > talking about Nepal at all. > > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the > campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a > lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow > up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and > nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots?> > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is> talking about Nepal at all.> > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the > campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a > lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow > up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and > nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more.Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Atlantis many scientists say is probably South-America. There was an island in the middle of a huge lake in the Andes. A huge city existed in this island 3000 years ago. One day the entire island along with the city collapsed into the lake. This information somehow reached Plato who called it Atlantis. He magnified the proportions a million times and turned the island into a continent. The proof of the pudding is in the technical details. No clear information about how to manufacture a flying-machine or Vimana is mentioned in these texts. There is absolutely no archeological evidence of civilisations 15,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. The oldest known archeological settlement in Indian sub-continent is the Indus-Sarasvati civilisation dated back to 3000-BCE which is 5000 years ago. Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:56:16 -0400Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas Dear Fairfield Lifers,Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let-ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in.EnjoyMichaelAncient Flying Machines - VimanasContributed by John BurrowsSlightly edited by Michael Dean GoodmanThe vedic tradition of India tell us that we are now in the fourth age [yuga] of mankind - part of a never-ending cycle of flavors of time lasting about 4.3 million years per cycle. The vedas call these four ages: "The Golden Age" [sat yuga - lasting 1.7 million years, where the average length of life is 100,000 years], "The Silver Age" [treta yuga - lasting 1.3 million years, where the average length of life is 10,000 years], "The Bronze Age" [dvapara yuga - lasting 864,000 years, where the average length of life is 1000 years], and "The Iron Age" [kali yuga - lasting 432,000 years, where the average length of life is roughly 100 years].The VimanasThe Ramayana, part of the Itihasas of the vedic tradition, describes a vimana as a double-deck, circular (cylindrical) aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound (a humming noise?). Ancient Indian texts on vimanas are so numerous it would take several books to relate what they have to say. The ancient Indians themselves wrote entire flight manuals on the control of various types of vimanas, of which there were basically four: the shakuna vimana, the sundara vimana, the rukma vimana and the tripura vimana.* The secret of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed.* The secret of making planes motionless.* The secret of making planes invisible.* The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy planes.* The secret of receiving photographs of the interior of enemy planes.* The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach.* The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness.* The secret of destroying enemy planes.Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the sky using vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads: The puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky.".. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.In the Mahabharata, another aspect of the Itihasas, an ancient vedic text of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The text is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones [nuclear] that we are capable of deploying.Apart from 'blazing missiles', the text records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'.In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's vimana, the Saubha, is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: "I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound".Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis.The Narrative Records"Gurkha flying in his swift and powerf
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > > > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is > > talking about Nepal at all. > > > > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the > > campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a > > lesson on how not to do such things because there was not > > follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of > > people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or > > create more. > > Fine, but that wasn't my question. > > Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the > thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: archeological evidence of civilisations
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/140004006X/sr=8-1/qid=1145810990/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8 25000-35000 B.C. Time of paleo-Indian migration to Americas from Siberia, according to genetic evidence. Groups likely traveled across the Pacific in boats. Wheat and barley grown from wild ancestors in Sumer. 6000 BC 5000 BC In what many scientists regard as humankind's first and greatest feat of genetic engineering, Indians in southern Mexico systematically breed maize (corn) from dissimilar ancestor species. 3000 BC The Americas' first urban complex, in coastal Peru, of at least 30 closely packed cities, each centered around large pyramid-like structures Great Pyramid at Giza 2650 BC 32 BC First clear evidence of Olmec use of zero--an invention, widely described as the most important mathematical discovery ever made, which did not occur in Eurasia until about 600 A.D., in India (zero was not introduced to Europe until the 1200s and not widely used until the 1700s) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
on 4/23/06 11:38 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that > folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I don't think there was much follow-up. Maharishi initiated thousands with an earphone system. I doubt that many of them meditated more than a few days. > > I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign > before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Summer of 1974, maybe Fall. We were in Arosa, Switzerland preparing for it. Great fun. We made a special videotape that was played all over Katmandu, Rick Stanley wrote songs for it, in collaboration with Maharishi (I played jelly cans in lieu of tablas). There was an earphone factory going day and night in the basement of the Hotel Pratschli, we didn't sleep much for days. The last night before Maharishi left for Nepal, we were up all night. It was bright sunlight when we saw him off. One of my best experiences in the movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Is this the book? http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/vs/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Fairfield Lifers, > > Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling > possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history > that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, > nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- > ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture > is immersed in. > > Enjoy > > Michael > > > > Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas > Contributed by John Burrows > Slightly edited by Michael Dean Goodman > > The vedic tradition of India tell us that we are now in the fourth age [yuga] > of mankind - part of a never-ending cycle of flavors of time lasting about 4.3 > million years per cycle. The vedas call these four ages: "The Golden Age" [sat > yuga - lasting 1.7 million years, where the average length of life is 100,000 > years], "The Silver Age" [treta yuga - lasting 1.3 million years, where the > average length of life is 10,000 years], "The Bronze Age" [dvapara yuga - > lasting 864,000 years, where the average length of life is 1000 years], and > "The Iron Age" [kali yuga - lasting 432,000 years, where the average length of > life is roughly 100 years]. > > The Vimanas > > The Ramayana, part of the Itihasas of the vedic tradition, describes a vimana > as a double-deck, circular (cylindrical) aircraft with portholes and a dome. > It flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound (a humming > noise?). Ancient Indian texts on vimanas are so numerous it would take several > books to relate what they have to say. The ancient Indians themselves wrote > entire flight manuals on the control of various types of vimanas, of which > there were basically four: the shakuna vimana, the sundara vimana, the rukma > vimana and the tripura vimana. > > * The secret of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be > cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed. > * The secret of making planes motionless. > * The secret of making planes invisible. > * The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy planes. > * The secret of receiving photographs of the interior of enemy planes. > * The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach. > * The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness. > * The secret of destroying enemy planes. > > Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the > sky using vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in > these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana > which reads: The puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother > was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent car going > everywhere at will that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky. > > ".. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the > Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere. > > In the Mahabharata, another aspect of the Itihasas, an ancient vedic text of > enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a vimana > measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The text is > a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who > settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones > [nuclear] that we are capable of deploying. > > Apart from 'blazing missiles', the text records the use of other deadly > weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, > it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately > 'consumed it with its power'. > > In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, > in the sky, when Salva's vimana, the Saubha, is made invisible in some way. > Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: "I quickly laid on > an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound". > > Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the > Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis. > > The Narrative Records > > "Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful vimana hurled against the three > cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the > power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant > as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, > the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the > entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas." > > It is important to note, that these kinds of records are not isolated. They > can be cross-correlated with similar reports in other ancient civilizations. > The after-effects of this Ir
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/23/06 11:38 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that > > folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? > > I don't think there was much follow-up. Maharishi initiated thousands with > an earphone system. I doubt that many of them meditated more than a few > days. > > > > I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign > > before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? > > Summer of 1974, maybe Fall. We were in Arosa, Switzerland preparing for it. > Great fun. We made a special videotape that was played all over Katmandu, > Rick Stanley wrote songs for it, in collaboration with Maharishi (I played > jelly cans in lieu of tablas). There was an earphone factory going day and > night in the basement of the Hotel Pratschli, we didn't sleep much for days. > The last night before Maharishi left for Nepal, we were up all night. It was > bright sunlight when we saw him off. One of my best experiences in the > movement. I remember him flying off in late 1972 to the coronation of the King of Nepal (last hindu raja at the time) whom he initiated -- (and a lot of the court I believe). Do you know how this 74 mass initiations tied in to his 72 visit? Did the king invite him in 74 to do it? Did the king publicly endorse tm at the time? At about the same time, maybe fall of 74, the leading paper in Manila was running five straight-days of large front page articles on TM. Asia was quite "lively" in this period. And in late 74, M. inagurated the "air-conditioner" project for China -- to set up large scale initiations and TTCs in Phillipines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, etc. to cool off China -- to prevent a new revolution in China. (Which clearly worked as predicted. :) ) MMY said that for the younger generations China to go through a third major revolution is so few years would make them irreparably harsh and rigid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Tesla
Any comment from MMY on this man..? "In 1930, Nikola Tesla asked his nephew, Petar Savo, who was born in Yugoslavia in 1899, to come to New York. Petar was 43 years younger than his uncle. Up to that date, he had lived under stringent conditions in Yugoslavia, Tesla's country of birth. During the summer of 1931, Tesla took his nephew to Buffalo to unveil and test a new automobile. Tesla had developed it with his own personal funds. It was a Pierce Arrow, one of the luxury cars of the period. The engine had been removed, leaving the clutch, gearbox and transmission to the rear wheels undisturbed. The gasoline engine had been replaced with a round, completely enclosed electric motor of approximately 1 meter in length and 65 cm in diameter, with a cooling fan in front. Reputedly, it had no distributor. Tesla was not willing to say who had manufactured the engine. It was possibly one of the divisions of Westinghouse. The "energy receiver" (gravitational energy converter) had been built by Nikola Tesla himself. The dimensions of the converter housing were approximately 60 X 25 X 15 cm. It was installed in front of the dashboard. Among other things, the converter contained 12 vacuum tubes, of which three were of the 70-L-7 type. A heavy antenna, approximately 1.8 meters long, came out of the converter. This antenna apparently had the same function as that on the Moray converter (see below). Furthermore, two thick rods protruded approximately 10 cm from the converter housing. Tesla pushed them in, saying "Now we have power." the motor achieved a maximum of 1,800 rpm. Tesla said it was fairly hot when operating, and therefore a cooling fan was required. For the rest, he said there was enough power in the converter to illuminate an entire house, besides running the car engine. The car was tested for a week, reaching a top speed of 90 miles per hour effortlessly. Its performance data were at least comparable to those of an automobile using gasoline. At a stop sign, a passerby remarked that there were no exhaust gases coming from the exhaust pipe. Petar answered "We have no motor." The car was kept on a farm, perhaps 20 miles outside of Buffalo, not far from Niagara Falls. A few months after this automobile test, and because of the economic crisis at the time, Pierce Arrow had to stop production. It is very likely that the interconnection between the electric motor and the transmission had been performed there. Pierce Arrow's tools were taken over by Studebaker, in South Bend. Not quite 30 years later, that company also vanished to form American Motors, jointly with Nash. Later, some of its fans attempted to resuscitate the Pierce Arrow. Unfortunately, they were not successful. Thus, today that company's name is in a mausoleum, together with others. such as Horch, Maybach, Hispano-Suiza, Bugatti and Isotta Fraschini. Nikola Tesla apparently knew that this construction contradicted the technical concepts of the time. He thus avoided all discussions with engineers, theoretical scientists, or companies (with very few exceptions). It is obvious that this Pierce Arrow was built only as a private hobby. An inventory of all available information by aeronautical engineer Derek Ahlers was completed on September 16, 1967, in New York. The complete documentation of all the information gathered by Ahlers is in our archives, The experimental car built by Nikola Tesla in 1931 already foreshadowed the cars of the future. Minimum operating costs and freedom from pollution are part of it also. The invention of super magnets, mentioned earlier. creates possibilities for unlimited conversion of gravity field energy anywhere on Earth, thus benefiting individualistic society. " To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/23/06 8:50:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is > talking about Nepal at all. > > > > > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in > Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do > such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had > initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating > or create more. > Sort of like the US. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: "Those who > > > have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual > > > fantasy." > > > > * > > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) > > Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is > an open question, one I have no answer for. However, since > I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the "he > had people stare at him until they hallucinated" claim, > it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever > it might have been. > > When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or > disappear or move the stars around, Bob? Tell us all > about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. > For that matter, tell us about the last time your > meditation was about anything but sitting there lost > in thoughts... :-) > If you weren't lost in thoughts, how would you know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Fairfield Lifers, > > > > > > > > Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and > > > > mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may > > > > have been than the history that we've been taught - > possibilities > > > > about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and > > > > beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- > > > > ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our > > > > whole culture is immersed in. > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: "Those who > > > have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual > > > fantasy." > > > > Of course, regardless of the "real" history of the human race, > > literally hundreds of millions of people in India accept this > > stuff as true in some sense, so what you're really doing is > > saying that all of them are suckers. > > Actually, all I did was post a quote from a Tibetan > teacher, on the occasion of looking around at the > plethora of "New Age" interests in Boulder and > commenting to his students that the extent of one's > interest in such things was, in his opinion, in > inverse proportion to the breadth of one's spiritual > experience. That is, the fewer real spiritual exper- > iences one has had in one's life, the more likely > one is to be attracted by New Age fantasies. And > the converse; the more real experience one has had, > the less likely one is to be interested in such > things. > > If you feel that this extends to India and to Hindus, > that's your call. I don't think Trungpa ever said > anything about that, and I certainly didn't. > Nyah, you just quoted him, out of context, as your only comment on some Hindu beliefs... Only a paranoid person would ever think that you meant his comments to apply to what you were replying to... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > wrote: > > > > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > > > > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. > > > > A hallucination can also be an experience. > > > > > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) > > > > Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough > > such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. > > Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more > than to believe my experiences with Rama were > hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe > this. > > I have no such option. I was there. > > And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. In other words, you're a Lenz TRUE BELIEVER. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that > when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own > destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction > of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a > festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In > others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth > by replacing it with shallow palliatives. > Possibly. Or not. Of course, its up to YOU to explain how a technique that does seem to relax most people and have other documentable beneficial effects on many could have had such a delitorious effect on an entire country... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > wrote: > > > > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > > > > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. > > > > A hallucination can also be an experience. > > > > > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) > > > > Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read > > enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. > > Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more > than to believe my experiences with Rama were > hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe > this. > > I have no such option. I was there. People are usually where there hallucinations are, so this doesn't do you much good. The thing about hallucinations is that the person having them can't tell that they aren't real. So for someone to say, "This wasn't a hallucination, this was real" is kind of not to the point. That's just what you'd expect a person who had had a hallucination to say--unless they had some reason to believe they had been hallucinating. But it doesn't work the other way around. There's no reason for a person *not* to believe they were hallucinating if there's no objective evidence otherwise. The honest way to put it would be, "I don't *think* I was hallucinating, but of course I can't be sure." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: "Those who > > > have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual > > > fantasy." > > > > * > > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have > > people stare at him until they hallucinated: > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) > > Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is > an open question, one I have no answer for. However, since > I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the "he > had people stare at him until they hallucinated" claim, > it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever > it might have been. > > When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or > disappear or move the stars around, Bob? What is this, spiritual one-upmanship? Why do you care whether anyone saw any else levitating or disappearig or moving the stars around? Are you keeping some kind of scorecard? > Tell us all > about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. > For that matter, tell us about the last time your > meditation was about anything but sitting there lost > in thoughts... :-) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Angry with the oil companies?
I love the way people are so angy with the oil companies. I myself think that the oil companies should embark on a campaign of purposely gouging consumers. Let the price go up to $7.00 a gallon! Ha-ha! It will only be then that people will start to use less and dump their gas-guzzling SUVs. And, most importantly, we can get around to developing alternative fuels. Can't do it without the $7.00 a gallon price... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. Then you -- and many > > others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a > > break -- give US a break. > > It's Ok, man...it's a lot like aikido. They can't > sucker me into a fight unless I agree to be part > of the fight. :-) > Is that why you've responded to this thread half a dozen times? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > Never lose an opportunity trying to trash TMers, what a phoney act, > > Barry. Actually I am disappointed by you Barry, you are deteriorating > > quickly, I remember you were somewhat better 2-3 years back. Now you > > appear to be just a sad old cynic. No love, no compassion, just > > trashing others spiritual path you fell superior to. > > I think Barry has made entirely balanced responses to people > questioning his experiences with Lenz. Nothing seems to push people's > buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of > levitation. Whenever it comes up, Shemp and others roll out their > heavy artillery. It is kind of fun to see. Then the barrage begins. > Usually goes on for about 50 posts. I'll be the first to admit that I > am suceptible to some far fetched theories, but interviews I have > heard of Lenz's and articles I have read indicate to me that he was an > extrodinary person. I have no problem with his levitation. By the way > Bob, isn't levitation one of the siddhis taught by MMY? Are all > reports of levition witnessed by people current and past fabrications? > > lurk > > > We YOgic Flyers define levitation as something that can be externally verified by cameras and so on. Barry doesn't. He knows that he and most of the rest of the people reading this forum have different definitions but doesn't make his definition clear when he talks about things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had > > such experiences. > > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him > > superior to anybody else. > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate" with > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with no > way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much > controversy. > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz. He doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used in this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective manifestation of Unity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Are All Such High Spiritual Beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The recent posts show beyond question that the level of love and > compassion -- flowing abundantly and without reservation -- from all, > indicate the high level of spiritual experiences that all of you have, > the great spiritual progress you all have made, and how proud and > glorious you should all feel about yourselves and your grand > achievements. ALL Glory to you, all you precious highly evolved, and > highly spiritual individuals. > Only the very muddy play in the mud. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted > > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > > proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who > > suggested it was important. > > > > So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience > > in that regard. > > > > The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his > > experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other > > people down and exalt himself. > > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. Then you -- and many > others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a break > -- give US a break. > It's a valid observation,IMHO. I have made a similar statement about the subject. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jason Spock wrote: > > > What do you mean, "Nepal stopped TM.?" > > > Massive TM initiations. > > At a certain point you realize that scientific proselytizing is as > palatable as the religious kind--and possibly equally destructive. > Puhlease, everyone, we have proof that our smallpox vaccination works. Of course, if you want to NOT use it, or prevent your kids from using it, Society has no say in leaving potential disease vectors running around, so feel free to not use it. There will be no consequences, either Societal OR practical. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted > > > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > > > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > > > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > > > proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who > > > suggested it was important. > > > > > > So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience > > > in that regard. > > > > > > The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his > > > experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other > > > people down and exalt himself. > > > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. > > How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. > Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't > have the self-control to resist? > > I will continue to comment about Barry if and when > I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. > > In any case, I was responding to a poster who was > criticizing Barry's critics but getting the *basis* > for their criticism wrong. I pointed out that the > critics don't criticize Barry for recounting his > experiences, as the poster seemed to think, but > rather for using the experiences as a weapon against > others and a means to exalt himself. > I personally don't care of Barry exalts himself or whatever. I *do* prefer that everyone makes their definition for some term clear if it's well outside the common useage used by the rest of the group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > jstein@ writes: > > > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > > > > > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is > > > talking about Nepal at all. > > > > > > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the > > > campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a > > > lesson on how not to do such things because there was not > > > follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of > > > people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or > > > create more. > > > > Fine, but that wasn't my question. > > > > Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the > > thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. > > Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that > folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? > > I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign > before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? > Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz. He > doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his > business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used in > this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective > manifestation of Unity. > The TERM "levitation," as used by Yogic Flyers, is meant to refer to an objective manifestation of Unity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why scorpion leader is worse than Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > > wrote: > > > > > > > Really, you have taken stupidity to a new plateau. > > > "... and against stupidity the very gods themselves > > > contend in vain". Schiller > > > Uns. > > > > > > > * > > > > I'm sorry, but that's my line, stressor: you lot have really got > your > > priorities in order: > > > > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/21/D8H4GF9O1.html > > Priorities in order? You spent (in 2004) $12,000 > per person per month on defence, and your only > significant enemy is a bearded bloke on a camel in > Pakistan somewhere (possibly). And this $403 trillion > can't even find him. > > I'm not criticising Rumsfeld. I'm criticising you > for being so dumb as to raise your head above the > parapet. > > Your work is ill researched, bigotted and racist. > Uns. I have had an email to say that I have got my figures wrong. It is true. You criticise Tony Blair for allowing his party to spend too much on his wife's hair. Your Head of State spends $1,500,000 per person per year on defence which does not even work against his most urgent enemy (it would seem). You are the Mother of all Prats, bbrigante. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted > > > > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > > > > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > > > > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > > > > proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who > > > > suggested it was important. > > > > > > > > So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience > > > > in that regard. > > > > > > > > The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his > > > > experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other > > > > people down and exalt himself. > > > > > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > > > > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. > > > > How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. > > Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't > > have the self-control to resist? > > > > I will continue to comment about Barry if and when > > I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. > > > > In any case, I was responding to a poster who was > > criticizing Barry's critics but getting the *basis* > > for their criticism wrong. I pointed out that the > > critics don't criticize Barry for recounting his > > experiences, as the poster seemed to think, but > > rather for using the experiences as a weapon against > > others and a means to exalt himself. > > > > I personally don't care of Barry exalts himself or whatever. I *do* > prefer that everyone makes their definition for some term clear if > it's well outside the common useage used by the rest of the group. Fine, that's yet another basis for criticism if he tries to pass off his own usage as the common one. The point I was making, though, that he has a need to believe he's being criticized because his critics are jealous of his experiences, which is just wildly delusionary, not to mention self-serving. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > jstein@ writes: > > > > > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > > > > > > > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is > > > > talking about Nepal at all. > > > > > > > > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after > the > > > > campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was > a > > > > lesson on how not to do such things because there was not > > > > follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of > > > > people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating > or > > > > create more. > > > > > > Fine, but that wasn't my question. > > > > > > Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just > the > > > thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. > > > > Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that > > folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? > > > > I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign > > before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? > > > > Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate > a whole mess of people after that. I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I don't recall hearing anything about it. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after > I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I > don't recall hearing anything about it. That would be '75, actually... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted > > > > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > > > > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > > > > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > > > > proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who > > > > suggested it was important. > > > > > > > > So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience > > > > in that regard. > > > > > > > > The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his > > > > experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other > > > > people down and exalt himself. > > > > > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > > > > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. > > > > How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. > > Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't > > have the self-control to resist? > > > > I will continue to comment about Barry if and when > > I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. > > > > In any case, I was responding to a poster who was > > criticizing Barry's critics but getting the *basis* > > for their criticism wrong. I pointed out that the > > critics don't criticize Barry for recounting his > > experiences, as the poster seemed to think, but > > rather for using the experiences as a weapon against > > others and a means to exalt himself. > > > > I personally don't care of Barry exalts himself or whatever. I *do* > prefer that everyone makes their definition for some term clear if > it's well outside the common useage used by the rest of the group. haha. Why start now. This group has a long and fabulous tradition of exhilarating posts by highly evolved stellar souls who use terms in ways other than most define them -- even going so far as to say the terms are undefinable. Whether this practice is due to laziness, unawareness or mischieviousness is left for us to ponder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > jstein@ writes: > > > > > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > > > > > > > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is > > > > talking about Nepal at all. > > > > > > > > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after > the > > > > campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was > a > > > > lesson on how not to do such things because there was not > > > > follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of > > > > people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating > or > > > > create more. > > > > > > Fine, but that wasn't my question. > > > > > > Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just > the > > > thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. > > > > Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that > > folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? > > > > I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign > > before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? > > > > Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a > whole mess of people after that. Well it was a 18+ month gap between initiating the king in 72, and the mass initiations program in summer of 74. AFAIR To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation > > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to > > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had > > > such experiences. > > > > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged > > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't > > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But > > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him > > > superior to anybody else. > > > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate" with > > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a > > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with > no > > way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more > > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which > > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, > > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much > > controversy. > > > > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz. He > doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his > business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used in > this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective > manifestation of Unity. > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it, either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is > an objective manifestation of unity. ... I certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. > > JohnY Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and "more refined functioning of the nervous system" has always a theme with MMY, even back in the 60s. Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have heard him say it.) Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. The latter is what brought the world out of the dark ages. But, hey, stories are good too, entertaining, inspiring and all. And the dark ages had their moments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation > > > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to > > > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had > > > > such experiences. > > > > > > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged > > > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't > > > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But > > > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him > > > > superior to anybody else. > > > > > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate" with > > > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a > > > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with > > no > > > way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more > > > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which > > > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, > > > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much > > > controversy. > > > > > > > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz. He > > doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his > > business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used in > > this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective > > manifestation of Unity. > > > > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is > an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it, > either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I > certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. The key phrase in this context in what Lawson is saying is "objective manifestation," i.e., something that anyone who was present could see, something that would show up on film, something that would pass whatever objective test you cared to devise. That's how TM defines the term "levitation." But it's not how Barry defines it. For Barry, levitation is an experience somebody can make you (but not necessarily anybody else) have that leads you to believe they have levitated; no objective proof necessary. Which is more likely to occur, just in the general scheme of things? Which is more of an achievement on the part of the putative levitator? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Multi-party verification or repeatability is what brought the world out of the Dark Ages? Funny, all this time I was sure it was Fred and his gear. Sal On Apr 23, 2006, at 3:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. The latter is what brought the world out of the dark ages.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is > > an objective manifestation of unity. ... I certainly don't know if > that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. > > > > JohnY > > > Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective > non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? > > Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to > them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party > verification or repeatability. > > Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply > into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and "more > refined functioning of the nervous system" has always a theme with > MMY, even back in the 60s. > > Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about > MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have > heard him say it.) > > Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe > he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over > measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. > > The latter is what brought the world out of the dark ages. But, hey, > stories are good too, entertaining, inspiring and all. And the dark > ages had their moments. I was also wondering what exactly was so spiritually transformative about observing levitation- I mean if it really happened. Lets say, I see an airplane in the sky, it doesn't mean that I am spiritual, right? But if somebody says, well I had this great spiritual experience of seeing somebody levitating, then he is oviously denying that it is a purely objective phenomenon himself. Another, related question is, how would witnessing such a levitation just as an onlooker change yourself? That for me would be more valid in my eyes. Lets say some tribal people in Africa see a plane first time, and as they don't know about our civilsation, they think its a vimana of some spirits. They might actually feel blessed, and will narate this event their whole life, how they saw the vimana of the spirits. Point here is again, that objective phenomenon, if they were, wouldn't really have any spiritual value, especially not for the onlooker. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The point I was making, though, that he has a need to > believe he's being criticized because his critics are > jealous of his experiences, which is just wildly > delusionary, not to mention self-serving. > You have a need to be right, which is also self-serving, no matter how obnoxious you are in doing so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Objective Validation and Hallucinations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation > > > > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to > > > > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had > > > > > such experiences. > > > > > > > > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged > > > > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't > > > > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But > > > > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him > > > > > superior to anybody else. > > > > > > > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate" > with > > > > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as > a > > > > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, > with > > > no > > > > way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more > > > > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which > > > > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's > experience, > > > > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much > > > > controversy. > > > > > > > > > > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz. > He > > > doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his > > > business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used > in > > > this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective > > > manifestation of Unity. > > > > > > > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is > > an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it, > > either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I > > certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt > it. > > The key phrase in this context in what Lawson is saying > is "objective manifestation," i.e., something that anyone > who was present could see, something that would show up > on film, something that would pass whatever objective > test you cared to devise. That's how TM defines the term > "levitation." > > But it's not how Barry defines it. For Barry, levitation > is an experience somebody can make you (but not necessarily > anybody else) have that leads you to believe they have > levitated; no objective proof necessary. > > Which is more likely to occur, just in the general scheme > of things? Which is more of an achievement on the part > of the putative levitator? Using Ocham's Razor, the simplest credible explanation of someone reporting they saw their teacher flying through the skies is that the student is hallucinating, or open to some powerful suggestive manipulations. Hallucinations are not distinguishable by the student from third-party correlated reality. As others have pointed out, the hallucinator can often not tell if they are hallucinating. Just ask John Nash (A Beautiful Mind). Ocham's Razor does not prove that the teacher didn't objectively fly. Simply its an explanation that is far more plausible and simpler than upending newtonian physics at "everyday" levels of space, time and speed. If Barry were trying to convince anyone that Lenz physically levitated in a physically verrifiable way, which by his words he is not, then the first step would be to disprove or lower the liklihood of the hallucination hypothesis. Particularly given that the press was invited to view Lenz levitate and did not come back with eith pictures or credible eye-witness tesimony, AFAIK. The fact that Barry eshews measurement and objective verification by third parties, and repeatable experiments -- and far favors "stories" as a vastly superior form of truth, I think tells us a lot about Barry's inner world -- and the steep challenge for him to provide some credible backing to the non-hallucination hypothesis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective > non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? > > Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to > them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party > verification or repeatability. > > Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply > into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and "more > refined functioning of the nervous system" has always a theme with > MMY, even back in the 60s. > > Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about > MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have > heard him say it.) As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when masters have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some performance of siddhi. Since yogic flying belongs to yoga-darshana, it's only sensible to say that's part of CC a la Patanjali, not Brahmi-chetana (Unity). > > Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe > he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over > measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. Interesting question! > > The latter is what brought the world out of the dark ages. But, hey, > stories are good too, entertaining, inspiring and all. And the dark > ages had their moments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
On Apr 23, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/23/06 11:38 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that > > folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? > > I don't think there was much follow-up. Maharishi initiated > thousands with > an earphone system. I doubt that many of them meditated more than a > few > days. > > > > I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign > > before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? > > Summer of 1974, maybe Fall. We were in Arosa, Switzerland preparing > for it. > Great fun. We made a special videotape that was played all over > Katmandu, > Rick Stanley wrote songs for it, in collaboration with Maharishi (I > played > jelly cans in lieu of tablas). There was an earphone factory going > day and > night in the basement of the Hotel Pratschli, we didn't sleep much > for days. > The last night before Maharishi left for Nepal, we were up all > night. It was > bright sunlight when we saw him off. One of my best experiences in the > movement. I had heard from someone who was there that the headphones thing didn't work to the satisfaction of those hearing their mantras--and all the mass initiated had to have their mantras verified "mouth-to- ear" afterwards. Is that what happpened? I'd also heard that M. vowed to never do the massive earphone initiation thing again after that incident. It always sounded to me like good intentions gone awry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective > > non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? > > > > Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to > > them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party > > verification or repeatability. > > > > Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply > > into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and "more > > refined functioning of the nervous system" has always a theme with > > MMY, even back in the 60s. > > > > Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about > > MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have > > heard him say it.) > > As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when masters > have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some > performance of siddhi. > > Since yogic flying belongs to yoga-darshana, it's only sensible to > say that's part of CC a la Patanjali, not Brahmi-chetana (Unity). As I recall it, he was referring to siddhis and clear ritam as the acid test for CC (around 76-77). Others in later years (80s) appear to have heard him say these are an acid test for unity. Not necessarily contradictory statements. Or the latter could be a misinterpretation. I always thought that manfiesting some simple "siddhis" at will, such as kindness, compassion, non-defensiveness, non-ownership, imperviousness to insults, non-reactivity, etc. were signs of some "growth" -- albeit perhaps minor -- of consciousness being aware of itself for some sustained periods. (Not that these are 24/7 characteristics of cc, but as something parallel to "minor siddhis", can be manifest at will.) I would look to those simple manifestations prior to the manifestation of clear ritam and formal siddhis. And I would look for the latter prior to self-claims of enlightenement. But I am clearly old skewl. Not very neo. > > > > Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe > > he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over > > measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. > > Interesting question! I am sure funding could be raised if that is the issue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight > Time, > > > > jstein@ writes: > > > > > > > > The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? > > > > > > > > > > Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is > > > > > talking about Nepal at all. > > > > > > > > > > Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after > > the > > > > > campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign > was > > a > > > > > lesson on how not to do such things because there was not > > > > > follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of > > > > > people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them > meditating > > or > > > > > create more. > > > > > > > > Fine, but that wasn't my question. > > > > > > > > Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just > > the > > > > thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. > > > > > > Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that > > > folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? > > > > > > I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign > > > before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? > > > > > > > Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate > > a whole mess of people after that. > > I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after > I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I > don't recall hearing anything about it. I remember hearing about it a few months after I left TTC in September '74. It made me feel really uncomfortable because the emphasis during TTC was so strong on individual instruction and the seven step program and all that...and then MMY goes out and instructs thousands of people en masse. Weird. As for follow-up, I never heard anything about it ever again... > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a > whole mess of people after that. > This was the brother of the current king: http://www.bouldernews.com/news/worldnation/02anepa.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > The point I was making, though, that he has a need to > > believe he's being criticized because his critics are > > jealous of his experiences, which is just wildly > > delusionary, not to mention self-serving. > > > > You have a need to be right, which is also self-serving, no matter how > obnoxious you are in doing so. Do you have a need to be right in saying I have a need to be right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Angry with the oil companies?
shempmcgurk wrote: >I love the way people are so angy with the oil companies. > >I myself think that the oil companies should embark on a campaign of >purposely gouging consumers. > >Let the price go up to $7.00 a gallon! Ha-ha! > >It will only be then that people will start to use less and dump their >gas-guzzling SUVs. > >And, most importantly, we can get around to developing alternative >fuels. > >Can't do it without the $7.00 a gallon price... > > > I would like to see a windfall profits tax on the oil companies. I don't mind the price of gas going up if it is from taxes to improve roadways, bridges and make mass transit more ubiquitous. And those taxes should not be golden goose for gouging contractors either and they should ONLY be used for transportation projects. The scariest thing is to see some mindless woman aiming her Ford Expedition or Lincoln Navigator while blathering on her cellphone. I think we should make thought vehicles require truck licensing and take away the tax break on them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why scorpion leader is worse than Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Really, you have taken stupidity to a new plateau. > > > > "... and against stupidity the very gods themselves > > > > contend in vain". Schiller > > > > Uns. > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > I'm sorry, but that's my line, stressor: you lot have really got > > your > > > priorities in order: > > > > > > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/21/D8H4GF9O1.html > > > > Priorities in order? You spent (in 2004) $12,000 > > per person per month on defence, and your only > > significant enemy is a bearded bloke on a camel in > > Pakistan somewhere (possibly). And this $403 trillion > > can't even find him. > > > > I'm not criticising Rumsfeld. I'm criticising you > > for being so dumb as to raise your head above the > > parapet. > > > > Your work is ill researched, bigotted and racist. > > Uns. > > I have had an email to say that I have got my > figures wrong. It is true. > > You criticise Tony Blair for allowing his > party to spend too much on his wife's hair. > > Your Head of State spends $1,500,000 per > person per year on defence which does not > even work against his most urgent enemy > (it would seem). You are the Mother of all > Prats, bbrigante. > Uns. > Hey Uns, US defence spending in 2004 was $1456 per person (assuming a population of 300 million). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States BTW, are you sure you're British? You say some very strange things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
on 4/23/06 2:18 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that >> when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own >> destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the > destruction >> of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a >> festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In >> others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth >> by replacing it with shallow palliatives. >> > > Possibly. Or not. Of course, its up to YOU to explain how a technique > that does seem to relax most people and have other documentable > beneficial effects on many could have had such a delitorious effect on > an entire country... I don't think enough TM was practiced in Nepal to have much effect one way or the other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is > > an objective manifestation of unity. ... I certainly don't know if > that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. > > > > JohnY > > > Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective > non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? > No because I don't take everything he says as true. It may be true, but I don't know that it is, is what I said. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: [...] > > Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate > > a whole mess of people after that. > > I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after > I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I > don't recall hearing anything about it. > > > > The sense I'm getting from other comments here is that there was no followup after the initial initiations. I guess you could say it went "bad" from the start. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
But if they didn't run into a phone booth beforehand to change their clothes, it doesn't count. On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Vaj wrote: > As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when masters > have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some > performance of siddhi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted > > > > > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > > > > > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > > > > > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > > > > > proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who > > > > > suggested it was important. > > > > > > > > > > So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience > > > > > in that regard. > > > > > > > > > > The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his > > > > > experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other > > > > > people down and exalt himself. > > > > > > > > You just can't let Barry go, can you? > > > > > > > > Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. > > > > > > How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. > > > Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't > > > have the self-control to resist? > > > > > > I will continue to comment about Barry if and when > > > I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. > > > > > > In any case, I was responding to a poster who was > > > criticizing Barry's critics but getting the *basis* > > > for their criticism wrong. I pointed out that the > > > critics don't criticize Barry for recounting his > > > experiences, as the poster seemed to think, but > > > rather for using the experiences as a weapon against > > > others and a means to exalt himself. > > > > > > > I personally don't care of Barry exalts himself or whatever. I *do* > > prefer that everyone makes their definition for some term clear if > > it's well outside the common useage used by the rest of the group. > > haha. Why start now. This group has a long and fabulous tradition of > exhilarating posts by highly evolved stellar souls who use terms in > ways other than most define them -- even going so far as to say the > terms are undefinable. Whether this practice is due to laziness, > unawareness or mischieviousness is left for us to ponder. > Eh, in the case of 3rd-stage yogic flying (aka "real" levitation), the definition is unambiguous and when people deliberately use it in a different way without warning, it leads to "absolute" confusion. Other terms used are a bit looser in their definition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation > > > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to > > > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had > > > > such experiences. > > > > > > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged > > > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't > > > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But > > > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him > > > > superior to anybody else. > > > > > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate" with > > > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a > > > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with > > no > > > way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more > > > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which > > > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, > > > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much > > > controversy. > > > > > > > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz. He > > doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his > > business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used in > > this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective > > manifestation of Unity. > > > > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is > an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it, > either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I > certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. I've heard it as a "talking points" response to questions on YOgic FLying many times by many different people in the TMO. I don't remember if I ever heard MMY himself say it on a video taped lecture. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
